[FairfieldLife] Re: A Brief Commentary on Bob Dylan's Mississippi-Part 3
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Appreciate the comment. I confess to never having heard Cheryl Crow's version, but I'll look it up. It was faster than Bob's as I remember, a very different take on the same song. The writing for the sake of writing thing was one of my reasons for that little exercise. Many of those verses provide a good springboard for me in that regard. Yup, a valuable exercise in my opinon. Writing about something that inspires you tends to teach a lot about the nature of inspiration itself. I enjoyed reading your book, which I began some time ago and finished while you were on vacation. It gave me a larger perspective on your thinking and experiences than sometimes comes out on FFL, which I needed and felt you deserved. And no -- I won't hold you to thinking and believing everything you said there now. :) I think I finished up my musings about Rama with three words -- I don't know. I'm still pretty comfortable with that. And I like the two scorpion stories...he was a fun character to channel. On the whole, I think that there is a lot more to be learned from a teacher who makes mistakes and fucks up along the Way than there is to be learned from a teacher who does everything perfectly. Since in my opinion the world has *never* seen one of the latter, I'm grateful to have run into some of the most colorful examples of the former. :-) Unc To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Though I was once reamed by LB for making a statement to the effect that Fairfield is Maharishi's territory and that other gurus are behaving with poor ethics by moving onto his doorstep, I have come to see that ethics isn't the issue. It's plain market dynamics. It was absolutely inevitable that people would come into town to seek a part of the MIU/MUM market, both for share of mind and share of wallet. A foundational concept in the community was entrepreneurism within the TM family itself, offering services and facilitating goods that complemented the TM practice (e.g., Olde World Cafe and Portafoam Flight Cushions). No one in the early days realized the unavoidable fact that people from outside the TM family would come in to supply directly competing spiritual programs, and that a demand for them would arise within the TM group itself. This is especially true given the monumental failure of the school. What failure do I refer to? Given all that the school has to offer, the fact that it hasn't grown consistently year after year from its founding, perhaps even with double-digit growth, is a failure of staggering proportions. The lack of growth is probably attributable to vast buffoonery on the part of administrators, if not Maharishi himself. In that vacuum, it is only natural that many meditators would welcome competing spiritual services and programs into the town to create expansion. After all, didn't SCI teach everyone that, to be fulfilled, a man must display more creative intelligence every day, and that one of the fundamentals of progress is growth? (Bonus question: Who can name the other four fundamentals?) To repeat an idea I brought up a long time ago, and that was roundly ignored, one area in which this dynamic has not yet unfolded is in academic competition. It seems to me that a fully mature market in Fairfield would include a competing academic institution, one offering the converse of MUM. Rather than being a closed ashram disguised as a bonifide academic campus, the new place would be first and foremost a serious academic facility, with embedded unaligned spirituality. Imagine a school striving for research and teaching excellence, incorporating as many good ideas from MIU/MUM as possible but encouraging debate, inquiry, and free thinking. Meditator or not, anyone could attend, and those who did practice spiritual programs could come from any background. Perhaps, many of the best profs from MIU/MUM who have been dismissed over the years would be interested in returning to teach and conduct research in MIU2. Such a new school could become a hub for the spiritual strands in Fairfield that compete with TM. The curriculum would maintain consciousness as a central organizing principle, but with a more scholarly and less sectarian bent. If you were an academic like Amit Goswami, author of The Self-Aware Universe, which of the two campuses in Fairfield would you be drawn to visit or possibly join? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. ...snip... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank. Thank you for the lovely turd. I'm sure you feel better now and your bowels are flowing freely in the true dharma. FFL the toilet bowl of true believers! P.S. I still don't know what Paul said that was so awful. Whatever it was , it was a serious thought crime, that we know. Paul posted a quote from Guru Dev that made it clear that Maharishi would never have been allowed to teach and have disciples within the tradition that Guru Dev represented. You can imagine how well that went down with a fanatical TB. :-) But I'm still curious about two points in his letter. First, what exactly is a fault apple? Second, does Nader Ram's cosmic role as the protector of cows answer the question of why they've been having such a tough time finding him a suitable queen? If it turns out they've been searching among the wrong species that would be udder disaster :-) --- Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to me that a fully mature market in Fairfield would include a competing academic institution, one offering the converse of MUM. Rather than being a closed ashram disguised as a bonifide That should have been bona fide. Pardon my creative spelling. academic campus, the new place would be first and foremost a serious academic facility, with embedded unaligned spirituality. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am confused. Who is calling Paul a wolf in disguise? The first several paragraphs are not attributed to anyone so at first glance it appears that Paul wrote it himself...but that doesn't make sense...so what's going on here? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank (ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, what exactly is a fault apple? He probably means 'rotten apple'. In german rotten is 'faul'. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' Checking on the story of Chudala and her husband Shikhidhvaja, I came across this: Shikhidhvaja said: Aha, I have truly been awakened by you, O sage. I am freed of foolishness, You are MY GURU; I am YOUR DISCIPLE. Pray instruct me in what you know, knowing which one does not grieve. In the story of Yoga Vasishtha, King Shikhidhvaja has given up the kingdom to become a recluse, turning over the reigns to his Queen Chudala. Chudala by sheer grace did get awakened on hearing the truth of the scriptures about non-attachment. The king is not able to accept her advice at first, as she is his wife, a mere woman. The queen sees his plights in the forrest with her yogic eye and appears to him as a Brahman boy, to whom the King has addressed the above. The Queen, in the disguise of the Brahman boy accepts his discipleship, by saying: I shall instruct you if you cherrish my words and are in a receptive mood Yoga Vasishtha VI.87.42 This dierectly contradicts what Guru Dev says. Indeed the whole import of the story seems to be, that enlightenment is independend of social status. See the pun in the story, that She who is enlightened does only get recognized to be so by her husband, after she has adopted the shape of a Brahmana. As she continues to instruct the King who finally realizes, and comes back to the kingdom. So it is also about that the enlightened is qualified to be the teacher independend of social status. Besides that, both weren't Brahmanas, they were of course Kshatriyas as was Krishna who instructed Arjuna. Maybe Guru Dev, who certainly knew the story, which directly contradicts him, meant to say that women did not accept other disciples or more disciples. He did so to make his point, and obviously this question was around at his time, otherwise no need to address it. I can imagine, that in old times, the Sadhus were basically naked, just dressed with a lion cloth, it would have been strange for a women to have male disciples. Other way round too. So the whole thing was very much a male affair, except when wifes were involved. These are totally outdated rules, but orthodoxy tries to preserve them, and GD happened to be their main representative. There have been many female teachers in India, very famous e.g. Anandamayi Ma, whom Maharishi visited. I know that MMY accepted Anandamayi as a teacher, because I once overheard, how somebody suggested to him to call a certain person for a project, and MMY declined saying that this person was now with Anandamayi Ma, which shows, that he respected that this person had adopted her as a Guru. If MMY was not a Guru, there would be no need to refer to people with 'other' 'Gurus', that being a reason for rejecting dome attendance. It would be enough then, if people practise TM and Siddhis at the time of the programme. So Maharishi seems to be Guru to at least some. Also, traditionally, Mantra Diksha (Initiation) is indicative of adopting a Guru (in the case of MMY, he has delegated this task to disciples). In any case, it is clear that MMY broke with the rigidity of this tradition, rightly as I think. This is not the first time at all,but it just happened to be within this most orthodox branch of the Dasanami Sampradaya. If you want to accuse MMY of that, do it. But then you show symphathy for the utmost orthodox opinion within Hinduism, and prove your agreement to heritary caste system. For most people, with the possible exception of Paul, our views and appreciation of Guru Dev stem solely from MMY. We love him because we see him through the eyes of MMY. Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. I doubt that anybody here would be interested in him, if it wasn't for the involvement with MMY and TM. If MMY would have been rejected to be a teacher out of lack of qualification, I would understand it. But here its all about caste and sexism. I have a female guru (who doesn't call herself guru btw.) and so has Rick and many others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never know what will happen. Ingegerd --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' That's a *threat*?? Come on, Paul. I think you just wanted to hold this doofus up to ridicule. (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat? Give us a break!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Jeez. And *TMers* are paranoid?? Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
There you go again, doing a second take on my motives. I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my concern about fanatics. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' That's a *threat*?? Come on, Paul. I think you just wanted to hold this doofus up to ridicule. (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat? Give us a break!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ingegerd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). I'm not convinced. I knew people within the TM movement *and* the Rama trip who were so gone and so detached from any meaningful definition of reality that they would have committed murder in a heartbeat if they had been asked to do so by the teacher whom they had placed on a pedestal right beside their warped notion of God. Fortunately they were never asked to do anything more illegal than smuggle money across international borders or lie to the press. They had *no problem* with doing these things. They had actually managed to convince themselves that they were accruing good karma by breaking the law. It is some really crazy people out there. So far as I know the threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never know what will happen. Exactly why I am writing these kinds of stories. As Ray Bradbury once put it so well, I don't try to describe the future. I try to prevent it. One reason I'm still here on FFL is that it provides me with a lot of great dialog for these stories. If I had to try to *make up* the way that True Believers think, I'd probably run out of ideas within a day or so, but here I get new input material every week. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There you go again, doing a second take on my motives. When the stated motivation doesn't fit the circumstances, a second take seems appropriate. I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my concern about fanatics. Which proves...what, exactly? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' That's a *threat*?? Come on, Paul. I think you just wanted to hold this doofus up to ridicule. (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat? Give us a break!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in Maharishis Movement, stay away from us! Now I have written enough about this silly thing and let it be and give it over to my sweet most cherished Lord Krishna, who was at an earlier Time Shri Râmachandra (Râma). All Glory to Guru Dewa All Glory to His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi All Glory to Maharishis dear Râm, the protector of Dharma, Cows Vedic Shishyas. Frank W. Lotz Author of a German Book on Maharishis Vedic Cooking Style the Art of Living in accord with the Veda. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru- jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work. So, you can thank Frank. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' Checking on the story of Chudala and her husband Shikhidhvaja, I came across this: Shikhidhvaja said: Aha, I have truly been awakened by you, O sage. I am freed of foolishness, You are MY GURU; I am YOUR DISCIPLE. Pray instruct me in what you know, knowing which one does not grieve. In the story of Yoga Vasishtha, King Shikhidhvaja has given up the kingdom to become a recluse, turning over the reigns to his Queen Chudala. Chudala by sheer grace did get awakened on hearing the truth of the scriptures about non-attachment. The king is not able to accept her advice at first, as she is his wife, a mere woman. The queen sees his plights in the forrest with her yogic eye and appears to him as a Brahman boy, to whom the King has addressed the above. The Queen, in the disguise of the Brahman boy accepts his discipleship, by saying: I shall instruct you if you cherrish my words and are in a receptive mood Yoga Vasishtha VI.87.42 This dierectly contradicts what Guru Dev says. Indeed the whole import of the story seems to be, that enlightenment is independend of social status. See the pun in the story, that She who is enlightened does only get recognized to be so by her husband, after she has adopted the shape of a Brahmana. As she continues to instruct the King who finally realizes, and comes back to the kingdom. So it is also about that the enlightened is qualified to be the teacher independend of social status. Besides that, both weren't Brahmanas, they were of course Kshatriyas as was Krishna who instructed Arjuna. Maybe Guru Dev, who certainly knew the story, which directly contradicts him, meant to say that women did not accept other disciples or more disciples. He did so to make his point, and obviously this question was around at his time, otherwise no need to address it. I can imagine, that in old times, the Sadhus were basically naked, just dressed with a lion cloth, it would have been strange for a women to have male disciples. Other way round too. So the whole thing was very much a male affair, except when wifes were involved. These are totally outdated rules, but orthodoxy tries to preserve them, and GD happened to be their main representative. There have been many female teachers in India, very famous e.g. Anandamayi Ma, whom Maharishi visited. I know that MMY accepted Anandamayi as a teacher, because I once overheard, how somebody suggested to him to call a certain person for a project, and MMY declined saying that this person was now with Anandamayi Ma, which shows, that he respected that this person had adopted her as a Guru. If MMY was not a Guru, there would be no need to refer to people with 'other' 'Gurus', that being a reason for rejecting dome attendance. It would be enough then, if people practise TM and Siddhis at the time of the programme. So Maharishi seems to be Guru to at least some. Also, traditionally, Mantra Diksha (Initiation) is indicative of adopting a Guru (in the case of MMY, he has delegated this task to disciples). In any case, it is clear that MMY broke with the rigidity of this tradition, rightly as I think. This is not the first time at all,but it just happened to be within this most orthodox branch of the Dasanami Sampradaya. If you want to accuse MMY of that, do it. But then you show symphathy for the utmost orthodox opinion within Hinduism, and prove your agreement to heritary caste system. For most people, with the possible exception of Paul, our views and appreciation of Guru Dev stem solely from MMY. We love him because we see him through the eyes of MMY. Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. I doubt that anybody here would be interested in him, if it wasn't for the involvement with MMY and TM. If MMY would have been rejected to be a teacher out of lack of qualification, I would understand it. But here its all about caste and sexism. I have a female guru (who doesn't call herself guru btw.) and so has Rick and many others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. I didn't even notice. I don't have much of an eye for cars qua cars. It gave me a thrill similar to the one I get from the chariot race in Ben Hur (although that's even more impressive because the critters being driven aren't machines). There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. That is a work of art! Such incredible creativity and skill involved in both these commercials. Too bad they can't be harnessed for something more useful than selling a product. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There you go again, doing a second take on my motives. I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my concern about fanatics. I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a piece of paper that had Wake up...time to die written on it was thrown through my front window, and numerous attempts were made to get me fired from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can tell, all of this was done by a couple of super- fanatical Rama students who were not happy with what I wrote about him. Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side, I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced in its view of him, but it wasn't the party line so I guess some people got threatened by that. So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At the same time, you don't want to allow these assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what they're trying to do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' That's a *threat*?? Come on, Paul. I think you just wanted to hold this doofus up to ridicule. (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat? Give us a break!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that shows up to which class that person belongs. You have not even lived an hour close to Maharishi and you dare to write about His personality!° Shame on you! I am not misusing my precious time any more on you! You are a so- called fault apple in
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think I finished up my musings about Rama with three words -- I don't know. I'm still pretty comfortable with that. And I like the two scorpion stories...he was a fun character to channel. Yes, he was funny. I like the idea of the personal Tsaklis too. On the whole, I think that there is a lot more to be learned from a teacher who makes mistakes and fucks up along the Way than there is to be learned from a teacher who does everything perfectly. Since in my opinion the world has *never* seen one of the latter, I'm grateful to have run into some of the most colorful examples of the former. :-) Unc To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about guru infallibility--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes a master's mistakes, that's all. With all the implications arising from that! cheers hd To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
I just realized that not only a woman can't be a guru, a man can not be a guru either. So there. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' Checking on the story of Chudala and her husband Shikhidhvaja, I came across this: Shikhidhvaja said: Aha, I have truly been awakened by you, O sage. I am freed of foolishness, You are MY GURU; I am YOUR DISCIPLE. Pray instruct me in what you know, knowing which one does not grieve. In the story of Yoga Vasishtha, King Shikhidhvaja has given up the kingdom to become a recluse, turning over the reigns to his Queen Chudala. Chudala by sheer grace did get awakened on hearing the truth of the scriptures about non-attachment. The king is not able to accept her advice at first, as she is his wife, a mere woman. The queen sees his plights in the forrest with her yogic eye and appears to him as a Brahman boy, to whom the King has addressed the above. The Queen, in the disguise of the Brahman boy accepts his discipleship, by saying: I shall instruct you if you cherrish my words and are in a receptive mood Yoga Vasishtha VI.87.42 This dierectly contradicts what Guru Dev says. Indeed the whole import of the story seems to be, that enlightenment is independend of social status. See the pun in the story, that She who is enlightened does only get recognized to be so by her husband, after she has adopted the shape of a Brahmana. As she continues to instruct the King who finally realizes, and comes back to the kingdom. So it is also about that the enlightened is qualified to be the teacher independend of social status. Besides that, both weren't Brahmanas, they were of course Kshatriyas as was Krishna who instructed Arjuna. Maybe Guru Dev, who certainly knew the story, which directly contradicts him, meant to say that women did not accept other disciples or more disciples. He did so to make his point, and obviously this question was around at his time, otherwise no need to address it. I can imagine, that in old times, the Sadhus were basically naked, just dressed with a lion cloth, it would have been strange for a women to have male disciples. Other way round too. So the whole thing was very much a male affair, except when wifes were involved. These are totally outdated rules, but orthodoxy tries to preserve them, and GD happened to be their main representative. There have been many female teachers in India, very famous e.g. Anandamayi Ma, whom Maharishi visited. I know that MMY accepted Anandamayi as a teacher, because I once overheard, how somebody suggested to him to call a certain person for a project, and MMY declined saying that this person was now with Anandamayi Ma, which shows, that he respected that this person had adopted her as a Guru. If MMY was not a Guru, there would be no need to refer to people with 'other' 'Gurus', that being a reason for rejecting dome attendance. It would be enough then, if people practise TM and Siddhis at the time of the programme. So Maharishi seems to be Guru to at least some. Also, traditionally, Mantra Diksha (Initiation) is indicative of adopting a Guru (in the case of MMY, he has delegated this task to disciples). In any case, it is clear that MMY broke with the rigidity of this tradition, rightly as I think. This is not the first time at all,but it just happened to be within this most orthodox branch of the Dasanami Sampradaya. If you want to accuse MMY of that, do it. But then you show symphathy for the utmost orthodox opinion within Hinduism, and prove your agreement to heritary caste system. For most people, with the possible exception of Paul, our views and appreciation of Guru Dev stem solely from MMY. We love him because we see him through the eyes of MMY. Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. I doubt that anybody here would be interested in him, if it wasn't for the involvement with MMY and TM. If MMY would have been rejected to be a teacher out of lack of qualification, I would understand it. But here its all about caste and sexism. I have a female guru (who doesn't call herself guru btw.) and so has Rick and many others. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about guru infallibility--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes a master's mistakes, that's all. With all the implications arising from that! Well put! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just realized that not only a woman can't be a guru, a man can not be a guru either. So there. Because only SELF can recognize itSELF, and nobody can enlighten you, and there is no other, just ONE which is always realized ? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'There is no mention of women being gurus anywhere in the shastras. Women cannot be a guru. Gargim, Chudala, Sulabha etc. were women who had become yogis and possessed of self-knowledge. But it is not met with anywhere that they made their own disciples.' Checking on the story of Chudala and her husband Shikhidhvaja, I came across this: Shikhidhvaja said: Aha, I have truly been awakened by you, O sage. I am freed of foolishness, You are MY GURU; I am YOUR DISCIPLE. Pray instruct me in what you know, knowing which one does not grieve. In the story of Yoga Vasishtha, King Shikhidhvaja has given up the kingdom to become a recluse, turning over the reigns to his Queen Chudala. Chudala by sheer grace did get awakened on hearing the truth of the scriptures about non-attachment. The king is not able to accept her advice at first, as she is his wife, a mere woman. The queen sees his plights in the forrest with her yogic eye and appears to him as a Brahman boy, to whom the King has addressed the above. The Queen, in the disguise of the Brahman boy accepts his discipleship, by saying: I shall instruct you if you cherrish my words and are in a receptive mood Yoga Vasishtha VI.87.42 This dierectly contradicts what Guru Dev says. Indeed the whole import of the story seems to be, that enlightenment is independend of social status. See the pun in the story, that She who is enlightened does only get recognized to be so by her husband, after she has adopted the shape of a Brahmana. As she continues to instruct the King who finally realizes, and comes back to the kingdom. So it is also about that the enlightened is qualified to be the teacher independend of social status. Besides that, both weren't Brahmanas, they were of course Kshatriyas as was Krishna who instructed Arjuna. Maybe Guru Dev, who certainly knew the story, which directly contradicts him, meant to say that women did not accept other disciples or more disciples. He did so to make his point, and obviously this question was around at his time, otherwise no need to address it. I can imagine, that in old times, the Sadhus were basically naked, just dressed with a lion cloth, it would have been strange for a women to have male disciples. Other way round too. So the whole thing was very much a male affair, except when wifes were involved. These are totally outdated rules, but orthodoxy tries to preserve them, and GD happened to be their main representative. There have been many female teachers in India, very famous e.g. Anandamayi Ma, whom Maharishi visited. I know that MMY accepted Anandamayi as a teacher, because I once overheard, how somebody suggested to him to call a certain person for a project, and MMY declined saying that this person was now with Anandamayi Ma, which shows, that he respected that this person had adopted her as a Guru. If MMY was not a Guru, there would be no need to refer to people with 'other' 'Gurus', that being a reason for rejecting dome attendance. It would be enough then, if people practise TM and Siddhis at the time of the programme. So Maharishi seems to be Guru to at least some. Also, traditionally, Mantra Diksha (Initiation) is indicative of adopting a Guru (in the case of MMY, he has delegated this task to disciples). In any case, it is clear that MMY broke with the rigidity of this tradition, rightly as I think. This is not the first time at all,but it just happened to be within this most orthodox branch of the Dasanami Sampradaya. If you want to accuse MMY of that, do it. But then you show symphathy for the utmost orthodox opinion within Hinduism, and prove your agreement to heritary caste system. For most people, with the possible exception of Paul, our views and appreciation of Guru Dev stem solely from MMY. We love him because we see him through the eyes of MMY. Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. I doubt that anybody here would be interested in him, if it wasn't for the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you were an academic like Amit Goswami, author of The Self-Aware Universe, which of the two campuses in Fairfield would you be drawn to visit or possibly join? Tangentially, do you know whether there has ever been any contact between Goswami and the TM folks? I didn't understand a lot of what MMY said about Self-reference and related topics until after I'd read Self-Aware Universe. I know he didn't get it from MMY, but I'm just curious as to whether there has been any interaction since he wrote the book. (Goswami seems to have become something of a guru in his own right.) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: big snip Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with modern thinking. Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and thus that everything he says is not the absolute speaking absolutely (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of english and modern education and a strong campaign to repatriate the wealth stolen by the west back to India might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping laws of nature in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might just be Hinduism and not neutral science. Just as it is not a condemnation of Guru Dev to recognize the cultural milieu in which he operated, nor is it a condemnation to recognize the same about any other spiritual teacher whether it's Meister Eckhardt, St. Teresa of Avilla, Walt Whitman, the woman next door, or MMY. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
What's a mistake? I'm serious. I can't figure it out. When outcome doesn't match intention? When suffering is created? It's a concept that is very difficult to define. It seems to be a word that is used when outcome doesn't match intention and it causes us displeasure. --- authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about guru infallibility--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes a master's mistakes, that's all. With all the implications arising from that! Well put! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: A Brief Commentary on Bob Dylan's Mississippi-Part 1
Thanks for the great links and for listening to my stuff. I don't make my whole living busking, I just focus on it in the Summers. It is a dumb rat that only has one hole to run to! There are some really great instructional DVDs on http://guitarvideos.com/ for the styles you are playing. I'll check out the links in some detail and write more but I really appreciate new sources. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I play guitar some, but not in any particular style, just folk stuff, mostly fingerpicking. I'm trying to expand my repertoire and have picked up a Robert Johnson and Rev. Gary Davis book/cd. I've recently been exploring a lot of that old music prompted by reading Dylan's Chronicles last winter and wanting to hear some of the music he was referring to. I've heard some of those old blues guys over the years, of course, but really heard other people doing their stuff more than the originals. I really like the acoustic blues, all different styles. Anyhow, my local library led me to a treasure trove of old material from the 20's, some blues and some not, and I found myself fascinated, intrigued, and captivated. There's a great series called Times Ain't What They Used to Be on Yazoo Records. And one thing led to another. A lot of the material they release is pretty obscure. Some of these people, like Richard Rabbit Brown and Luke Jordan only ever recorded a few tracks. It was Richard Rabbit Brown that led me to Venerable Musica phenomenal sitewhere I found Luke Jordan and a pile of others on a three cd set. www.venerablemusic.com. They have an online radio station of old music and you can make requests. There's a box on the left that says Click here to tune in and that takes you to the playlist where you can select the player you want to use and it tells you what's playing, what's on deck and what's been played. You can make requests by clicking on the appropriate link. For a great Luke Jordan tune go to this link, scroll down to his name and the tune Won't You Be Kind, then click request. http://www.venerablemusic.com/samphpweb/playlist.php?start=1350limit=50letter=Lsearch= It seems to queue requests three or four songs in so you don't have too long to wait. Richard Rabbit Brown's terrific James Alley can be found the same way at this page: http://www.venerablemusic.com/samphpweb/playlist.php?start=550limit=100letter=Rsearch= I'm having a lot of fun listening to this material. Listening is one of the best ways to learn. I've never been all that disciplined about learning to play systematically; I more just pick things up and incorporate bits into what I do. I admire what you do, making a living busking. It takes dedication. Enjoyed the clips from your record site too. FairfieldLife relevancy check: Luke Jordan has a song titled Church Bells Blues which contains the line The low down dirty Deacon done stole my gal and gone, about the sexual exploits of a spiritual leader which is a favourite theme on FFL. :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: I had never heard of Luke Jordan, thanks for turning me on to him. I have been searching on the Web and can find info but no examples of his music. I guess there are only 6 songs in circulation? If you have any links so I can hear him please let me know. from what I read Jordan is a Piedmont player. I am skewed towards the Delta guys, although I live in the Piedmont area where guys like John Jackson, and Archie Edwards played in that style. I got to see those guys before they died. For some reason the Piedmont style doesn't move me like the Delta stuff. Mississippi John Hurt was such a fixture in the folk revival I grew up in, but aside from appreciating what he does, I don't listen to or play that style. I dig the holy trinity of Charley Patton, Son House and Robert Johnson, and Booker White, Skip James, John Lee Hooker, Mississippi Fred Mcdowell, RL Burnside, Sonny Boy Williamson and Jack Owens among others. My favorite modern players are John Hammond and Rory Block. Do you play? You can hear samples of my music at www.cdbaby/curtisblues Thanks again for the tip on Luke Jordan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z The truly amazing part of this commercial is that there are no stunt drivers. This is just what every- day traffic is like in Paris. :-) Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered through the ages because of it. However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) than ever died in the name of religion. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: big snip Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with modern thinking. Well, you don't have to be *that* modern to reject his ideas in this regard as oldfashioned. Around that time, the turn of last century, there was lot of discussion about renovating Hinduism, and there was considerable scepticism as to what the original Veda actually meant. Just think of the reformist Hindu movements like Brahmo Samaj or Arya Samaj. For example Ganapati Muni strived for equality of women and men with regard to vedic studies. He was of the opinion, that caste was not determined by birth, but by the distribution of sattva, rajas and tamas in an individual. Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and thus that everything he says is not the absolute speaking absolutely (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of english and modern education and a strong campaign to repatriate the wealth stolen by the west back to India might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping laws of nature in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might just be Hinduism and not neutral science. Just as it is not a condemnation of Guru Dev to recognize the cultural milieu in which he operated, nor is it a condemnation to recognize the same about any other spiritual teacher whether it's Meister Eckhardt, St. Teresa of Avilla, Walt Whitman, the woman next door, or MMY. I agree with all of your points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered through the ages because of it. However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) than ever died in the name of religion. True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as all religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the truth, true believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to form us them groups. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Super powers!
Disappointed with poor results from the sidhis? try this. http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/06/Tampabay/Scientology_nearly_re.shtml/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: big snip Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with modern thinking. Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and thus that everything he says is not the absolute speaking absolutely (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of english and modern education and a strong campaign to repatriate the wealth stolen by the west back to India might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping laws of nature in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might just be Hinduism and not neutral science. Again, well put. But one wants to be careful not to throw the baby out with the bathwater. For example, is listening to Vedic chanting merely cultural, or do the sounds actually have an effect on consciousness? How do you know where to draw the line? Sometimes it seems obvious, but other times it may not be quite so clear. And different people, of course, draw the line in different places, so that line isn't absolute either. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Of interest
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hey Cardmeister: Tantra
Cardmeister, You're our resident sanskrit scholar. What are the roots of the word tantra and how are the vowels pronounced? Thanks __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future, the 'guidelines'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver l_b_shriver@ wrote: There are signs lately that this judgmentalism is softening within the university. Of course, there is no lack of judgments being held in the community south of the university, either. The difference is that the TMO has the capability to enforce some of its judgments, therefore signs of progress there bode well for all of us. LBS, that you have had some heartfelt two-way conversation with them up there, but really what signs are there that have changed? If they administratively do not 'look the other way', the guidelines have not changed. The guidelines themselves have not changed. That is not very firm ground to go forward with them on with the meditating community. There has been no real ceasefire on their part. The enduring problem with them for the meditating community here is those 'guidelines'. Yes I agree with you that FF's best year's are to come. It is getting there. -Doug in FF Again, Go figure, the guidelines have not changed but pages are not read or ignored for some people at some times. It is in process evidently, probably depending on whether it is John Hagelin's view his people or Bevan's oft hard-line take on the 'administration' of the guidelines. With the TMorg it is all sub-terrain vie-ing. They evidently just can't come out and say it, what the guidelines are, because the guidelines are so rigid that if they were universally applied few would be left in the domes at all. There is a practicality on the ground in not being clear about it. It is just TMorg administrative theocracy waiting on MMY. -Doug in FF Fairfield's Future Over the past several years, I have engaged in countless conversations about the state of Fairfield and its prospects for the future. I have generally taken the position that Fairfield's best years are yet to come. A few years ago, most of the people I engaged on this topic were surprised by my position and only a few agreed. Within the past year, however, I would say that the majority agree: Fairfield's best years are yet to come. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Super powers!
Oh Jesus, now Tom Cruise is really going to be annoying! --- hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disappointed with poor results from the sidhis? try this. http://www.sptimes.com/2006/05/06/Tampabay/Scientology_nearly_re.shtml/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Barry writes: clipped Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. Judy writes: Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse. Tom T; Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is any thought anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As in, my god is bigger, better than your god. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barry writes: clipped Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. Judy writes: Religion isn't a disease, it's an excuse. Tom T; Actually it appears to be an addiction. An addiction is any thought anyone tries to hold as absolutely true. As in, my god is bigger, better than your god. Or even god exists or god doesn't exist. The pragmatic bottom line seems to be that if you meet someone who claims to know the truth, run away as fast as you possibly can. Suppress your natural tendency to laugh until you're well out of range. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru- jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work. So, you can thank Frank. Thanks Frank. I know Frank from past TM years, and if that helps you, can assure you, that he won't harm you, or send you a letter bomb. He easily gets heated, always was so. He has done fist fights when provoked, so it may not be a good idea to stand in front of his house and ring the bell, and say 'Fuck Maha..'. ;-) I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am still very much alive ;-) And he is not as closed minded as you would think. For example he also visited Mother Meera here, something real TB TMers wouldn't do. And he is a really, really good cook. So thank you also Paul. I just read your story of Kathy 2005 on your web, really amazing. So thanks Paul for all the interesting stuff. But I now also understand why MMY doesn't want to publish all of it. He simply doesn't agree with some of it. People seem to think that aligning ones thinking with the master, like in classical Guru/disciple devotion means that he should copy him, and do exactly the same things he did. I disagree. Simply copying a person in his outward acts or opinions is not a great achievement. Understanding his actions and desires was for MMY a *means* to achieve an inner alignment, which served as a channel for the transmission of the inner *essence*. Once this is achieved, there is no need to copy the master, rather everyone must live his own enlightenment. It is my understanding, that MMY had visions of GD while moving in the south, around 1955, and consequently similar hints at Kanyakumari and Guruvayur, which gave rise to him teaching. While in actual physical body GD never asked MMY to teach, or even would have disallowed him to be a Guru (he obviously allowed him to lecture in his presence, as seen on films), he may have done so in visions. You may believe in it or not, but for MMY that must have been the reason and indication to start teaching. All this 'happened'. MMY for some reason had this disposition, and we, as followers fell for it, and it subsequently changed our lives, more or less. For my part I am glad he did. History is full of great people who broke rules. Does it mean they parted from the tradition at a whole? Did Luther part from Christianity when he broke the rules of Catholicism? I know that all traditions change all the time. Even the current Shankaracharya of Kanchi is accused to break the rules of his former Shankaracharya, who like GD was a great saint, but also very rigid. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
For more research material: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Maharishi_Mahesh_Yogi/ --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: There you go again, doing a second take on my motives. I turned down a tour of radio stations in the States because of my concern about fanatics. I completely understand, Paul. In the time since I wrote Road Trip Mind, my car has been trashed (set on fire during the night), a brick wrapped in a piece of paper that had Wake up...time to die written on it was thrown through my front window, and numerous attempts were made to get me fired from my work contracts in the US. As far as I can tell, all of this was done by a couple of super- fanatical Rama students who were not happy with what I wrote about him. Go figure. I mean, go fucking figure. From my side, I thought my book was pretty positive and balanced in its view of him, but it wasn't the party line so I guess some people got threatened by that. So a little inaccessibility is not a bad idea. At the same time, you don't want to allow these assholes to silence you. That, after all, is what they're trying to do. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: 'so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi!' That's a *threat*?? Come on, Paul. I think you just wanted to hold this doofus up to ridicule. (Not that he doesn't deserve it...but a threat? Give us a break!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. He sent in response to my suggestion that he is obsessed with gods, gurus and self worth, and that he has made a guru out of his idol (MMY), which was incorrect because Guru Dev expressly condemned anyone other than brahmanas to be gurus (hence the quote about gurus, I just translated it to clear up that point for him). His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. You mean, his threat not to give you any more knowledge? Seemed pretty explicit to me... snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! You are arguing like some silly child from the kindergarten. I am not giving knowledge out to someone, who can't understand, or who's brain is to small, to use the meaning of my Name it speak it out Frank(ly)! Why are you here? The Name of our cherished group is: MAHARISHI_MAHESH_YOGI_Group from yahoo! You are polluting the dear sweet feeling of ours towards His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh (Who is in reality Shiva Incarnate, not only myself had that cognition), so watch out for your bad Karma, you are producing) Yogi! P.S. About your argument, that Maharishi is not a Guru: Not the birth in his specific caste/Varna determines a man caste, it is his inner state of developed consciousness, ´which shows to what class of people he or she belongs! Other concepts are wrongly interpreted Kali-Yuga like thoughts and do not belong to the Golden Age! It is more then waist of time, it will be stupid from my side to give you further on my attention. If someone discuses from the finishing class of the High-Scholl with a child, who just came into the first Class of elementary school. I want give you any more milk, because it is quiet dangerous to feed a snake with milk. Next time she will bide you .. So me, you are a reborn snake, like the people from the church, the today's presidents like your stupid Blair or the silly men from the wild bushes in Texas! I am fairly sure, that you are a spy! How much money you received from your silly government, writing such a stupid book? I told you, you are a wolf in disguise! There is saying: A saint can see (recognize) only a Saint! Fore me you are belonging to the asuric class. The birth never determents someone Vedic caste (heritage), it is his inner state of consciousness that
[FairfieldLife] (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
One (1) Pundit has arrived! By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up residence in FF. No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The pundit is chanting and performing peace coherence-making rites now at the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring pundits here. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Of interest
On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to something else. Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: I obtained a copy of these satsangs more than thirty years ago, and have not posted quotations of Guru Dev speaking on this subject. However, Frank Lotz seemed to be parading his devotion to his 'Guru- jie' so I responded by doing a little Hindi translation work. So, you can thank Frank. Thanks Frank. I know Frank from past TM years, and if that helps you, can assure you, that he won't harm you, or send you a letter bomb. He easily gets heated, always was so. He has done fist fights when provoked, so it may not be a good idea to stand in front of his house and ring the bell, and say 'Fuck Maha..'. ;-) I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am still very much alive ;-) Since I can be pretty certain that our resident No-that's-not-what-was-said-this-is-what-was- really-what-was-said expert is not likely to come running in to correct this particular piece of misinformation :-), I will. What was actually said (and I know because I said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude, not you. There's a difference. Fuck off and die is not really a threat, Michael It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines of, Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere they actually take people like you seriously. :-) :-) :-) Michael, if you had misquoted something that the aforementioned expert had said this egregiously, you *know* how she would have reacted. She would have questioned your motives, accused you of having an anti-somethingorother agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to Sunday. I'll merely suggest 1) that English is not your native language, and 2) that you tend to over- react and get a little hysterical and show your girlyman side when someone doesn't take you seriously. As for the phrase itself, I hate to be the one to have to break it to you, dude, but you really *are* going to die. All of us are, someday. So another way of looking at someone telling you to fuck off and die is as a *positive* sugges- tion -- they're sending you on your way with the wish that you'll get a good roll in the hay in before you croak. :-) :-) :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Of interest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to something else. http://until-the-supply-of-URLs-is-exhausted.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Of interest
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to something else. http://until-the-supply-of-URLs-is-exhausted.com http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sattyanand and Devendra
In a message dated 8/30/06 1:57:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I heard or read a rumor (perhaps on this forum?) that Nankishore joined SSRS...any truth to that? Now That is one hell of a rumor! If it's true, I think that pretty much settles the direction the TM movement will go when M passes. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: snip I myself was threatened here not too long ago by one of our more outspoken members here with the words: 'Fuck you and die' and I am still very much alive ;-) Since I can be pretty certain that our resident No-that's-not-what-was-said-this-is-what-was- really-what-was-said expert is not likely to come running in to correct this particular piece of misinformation :-), I will. What was actually said (and I know because I said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude, not you. There's a difference. Fuck off and die is not really a threat, Michael It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines of, Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere they actually take people like you seriously. :-) :-) :-) Michael, if you had misquoted something that the aforementioned expert had said this egregiously, you *know* how she would have reacted. She would have questioned your motives, accused you of having an anti-somethingorother agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to Sunday. Barry, take your medication, please. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: snip To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about guru infallibility--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes a master's mistakes, that's all. With all the implications arising from that! Well put! When MMY talks about making no mistakes, he's talking about doing things that slow your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you reach CC you make no more mistakes. That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the baseball when he/she swings at it. Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence and perception of Self starts to expand and make no mistakes takes on a broader and broader significance, but STILL in the context of evolution towards enlightenment... ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in UC. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Of interest
On Aug 31, 2006, at 11:36 AM, Alex Stanley wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 31, 2006, at 10:37 AM, hugheshugo wrote: http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1860872,00.html JOOC, how long is everybody planning on playing Dueling URLs? Seems like every other message in the last few days has been just a link to something else. http://until-the-supply-of-URLs-is-exhausted.com http://now-that-was-funny.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: snip If you were an academic like Amit Goswami, author of The Self-Aware Universe, which of the two campuses in Fairfield would you be drawn to visit or possibly join? Tangentially, do you know whether there has ever been any contact between Goswami and the TM folks? I didn't understand a lot of what MMY said about Self-reference and related topics until after I'd read Self-Aware Universe. I know he didn't get it from MMY, but I'm just curious as to whether there has been any interaction since he wrote the book. (Goswami seems to have become something of a guru in his own right.) So, you think that John Hagelin's Is Consciousness the Unified Field? is a lesser work that Gowswami's? Sheesh... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was actually said (and I know because I said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude, not you. You are right, that is what you must have said. There's a difference. I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know, I am german, how many American idioms am I suppossed to know. No,it wasn't a threat in the sense that I expected you to come over here and help. But I did think die means die, that is 'dead to me', that is sort of: 'If you were dead it doesn't make any difference.' And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like Fuck off and die is not really a threat, Michael It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines of, Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere they actually take people like you seriously. :-) :-) :-) Michael, if you had misquoted something that the aforementioned expert had said this egregiously, you *know* how she would have reacted. She would have questioned your motives, accused you of having an anti-somethingorother agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to Sunday. I'll merely suggest 1) that English is not your native language, and 2) that you tend to over- react and get a little hysterical and show your girlyman side when someone doesn't take you seriously. Take the first point. You have to understand the language in order to know how to react. Why the hell do you throw idioms at a person you know he can't know? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] (1) Pundit has arrived in FF ! on 8/31/06 11:12 AM, dhamiltony2k5 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One (1) Pundit has arrived! By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up residence in FF. No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The pundit is chanting and performing peace coherence-making rites now at the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring pundits here. Was this guy originally a Maharishi pundit? __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: snip To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about guru infallibility--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes a master's mistakes, that's all. With all the implications arising from that! Well put! When MMY talks about making no mistakes, he's talking about doing things that slow your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you reach CC you make no more mistakes. That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the baseball when he/she swings at it. Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence and perception of Self starts to expand and make no mistakes takes on a broader and broader significance, but STILL in the context of evolution towards enlightenment... ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in UC. About making mistakes, Like Peter asks, 'what's a mistake?'. The reason Maharishi has said that enlightened souls don't make mistakes, is that from the perspective of an enlightened person, there are no mistakes. There is only the eternal ever changing relative existence, supported by Reality, of which we as enlightened individuals gracefully are. From the perspective of unenlightened individuals, mistakes are abundant, by definition, and so even if they are looking at an enlightened person, they will see mistakes. So when Maharishi says the enlightened don't make mistakes, he is simply clarifying the definition of enlightenment, the Reality of enlightenment, and not as many have supposed, justifying his actions to the unenlightened. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. Ubelieveable that anyone would think this wasn't CGI. Do people think that Gollem in Lord of the Rings was some kind of body suit? Jeeze. Here's how it was done: someone took Maya or some other professional level animation package and drew 3D images of all the parts. Then they created some kind of 3D physics engine, probably tweaked to make it look better than Maya's own built-in Physics simulator, and ran the simulation til it looked right, rendered it, used various after- rendering applications to make sure it looked as good as it possibly could, added sound effects, and that's it. Here's a very baby version of the same thing done using the level editor for AFterlife, including the game's own sound effects: http://tinyurl.com/pv928 Here's another one without sound effects: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4049365580674350429 Remember: the above were done using FREE level editors for a silly $50 game. The commercial was done using a $7,000 software package that used to cost $60,000. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: snip If you were an academic like Amit Goswami, author of The Self-Aware Universe, which of the two campuses in Fairfield would you be drawn to visit or possibly join? Tangentially, do you know whether there has ever been any contact between Goswami and the TM folks? I didn't understand a lot of what MMY said about Self-reference and related topics until after I'd read Self-Aware Universe. I know he didn't get it from MMY, but I'm just curious as to whether there has been any interaction since he wrote the book. (Goswami seems to have become something of a guru in his own right.) So, you think that John Hagelin's Is Consciousness the Unified Field? is a lesser work that Gowswami's? Where did I say anything about its being a lesser work? Sheesh... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What was actually said (and I know because I said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude, not you. You are right, that is what you must have said. There's a difference. I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know, Very little difference, actually, between Fuck you and Fuck off. I am german, how many American idioms am I suppossed to know. No,it wasn't a threat in the sense that I expected you to come over here and help. But I did think die means die, that is 'dead to me', that is sort of: 'If you were dead it doesn't make any difference.' More like, I'd rather you were dead. But still not a threat. And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like It's *very* hostile. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z The truly amazing part of this commercial is that there are no stunt drivers. This is just what every- day traffic is like in Paris. :-) Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp I stand corrected. It could have been done for much cheaper using CGI, I suspect. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: Since I seem to be in a two cents mood for a few days --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: big snip Obviously GD was a very powerfull yogi, full with the radiance of decades of tapasya, but also with very outdated and oldfashioned ideas. Yes. There are some interesting points being made in this discussion. One of my big heresies within the TMO was to suggest that being enlightened (yes, working on the assumption that MMY is enlightened) does not free one from all historic, cultural, and ideological boundarie s. It's easy for people to look at an old-fashioned idea that Guru Dev may have had and reject it because it doesn't fit with modern thinking. Well, you don't have to be *that* modern to reject his ideas in this regard as oldfashioned. Around that time, the turn of last century, there was lot of discussion about renovating Hinduism, and there was considerable scepticism as to what the original Veda actually meant. Just think of the reformist Hindu movements like Brahmo Samaj or Arya Samaj. For example Ganapati Muni strived for equality of women and men with regard to vedic studies. He was of the opinion, that caste was not determined by birth, but by the distribution of sattva, rajas and tamas in an individual. MMY says it's determined by the Jyotish chart, which allegedly is the same thing. Within the TMO there is a disinclination to consider that MMY's word and actions are also influenced by culture and thus that everything he says is not the absolute speaking absolutely (rather, no more than it is when you or I or they themselves speak), that women in saris is just fashion and culture instead of a law of nature, that condemnation of english and modern education and a strong campaign to repatriate the wealth stolen by the west back to India might be an just ideological quest, and that worshipping laws of nature in the form of Lakshmi and Ganesh might just be Hinduism and not neutral science. Just as it is not a condemnation of Guru Dev to recognize the cultural milieu in which he operated, nor is it a condemnation to recognize the same about any other spiritual teacher whether it's Meister Eckhardt, St. Teresa of Avilla, Walt Whitman, the woman next door, or MMY. I agree with all of your points. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered through the ages because of it. However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) than ever died in the name of religion. Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you using raw numbers? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? But still not a threat. And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like It's *very* hostile. Well, lets forget about it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One (1) Pundit has arrived! By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up residence in FF. No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The pundit is chanting and performing peace coherence-making rites now at the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring pundits here. With Best Regards, -Doug in FF Who cooks for him? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: What was actually said (and I know because I said it) was, Fuck off and die. Off, dude, not you. You are right, that is what you must have said. There's a difference. I can't tell, I couldn't know, I wouldn't know, I am german, how many American idioms am I suppossed to know. No,it wasn't a threat in the sense that I expected you to come over here and help. But I did think die means die, that is 'dead to me', that is sort of: 'If you were dead it doesn't make any difference.' And that's not nice, even for somebody you don't like Fuck off and die is not really a threat, Michael It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines of, Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere they actually take people like you seriously. :-) :-) :-) Michael, if you had misquoted something that the aforementioned expert had said this egregiously, you *know* how she would have reacted. She would have questioned your motives, accused you of having an anti-somethingorother agenda, and called you a LIAR twelve ways to Sunday. I'll merely suggest 1) that English is not your native language, and 2) that you tend to over- react and get a little hysterical and show your girlyman side when someone doesn't take you seriously. Take the first point. You have to understand the language in order to know how to react. Why the hell do you throw idioms at a person you know he can't know? Congratulations! You have successfully demonstrated that there *are* other people in the universe who can hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does. The not too long ago in your mind when you wrote about the horrible, terrible Fuck off and die threat hurled at you was back in APRIL, dude. We have not exchanged words since then, if I am not mistaken. I'm trying to decide whether this routine is what Germans do to disprove the recently- voiced opinions here that they take them- selves WAY too seriously, or whether it's some technique that Mother Meera's students use to demonstrate how effective her programs are at resolving attachment. Either way, I don't think it's working. :-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp I stand corrected. It could have been done for much cheaper using CGI, I suspect. Of course it could have. But it would have looked like CGI. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip You have successfully demonstrated that there *are* other people in the universe who can hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does. Just for the record, let's recall that Barry was dumping on me enthusiastically *even before I arrived here*. Like so many others of Barry's attacks, his hold a grudge mantra is the purest rojection. Thing is, once Barry's decided to hold a grudge against you, there's no need for you to hold a grudge against him, because he'll keep the ill will nice and fresh, attacking you obsessively even for such things as saying you're going to postpone listening to a Vedic chant until bedtime. And if he's really run out of things to attack you for, why, he'll just make some up, like fantasizing you might say something and then attacking you for it as if you *had* said it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have successfully demonstrated that there *are* other people in the universe who can hold a grudge as long as Judy Stein does. No, I'm not really holding a grudge up. This just came up, because Paul felt threatened by Frank. As inappropriate Franks behavour was,it wasn't a threat either. The not too long ago in your mind when you wrote about the horrible, terrible Fuck off and die threat hurled at you was back in APRIL, dude. We have not exchanged words since then, if I am not mistaken. Because I had left the forum basically. I'm trying to decide whether this routine is what Germans do to disprove the recently- voiced opinions here that they take them- selves WAY too seriously, or whether it's some technique that Mother Meera's students use to demonstrate how effective her programs are at resolving attachment. Either way, I don't think it's working. :-) And it won't work teasing me with the epitet 'Germans'. Were have you been? Since the world cup, which was not too long ago, we got rid of this reputation. We Germans are nice multicultural, welcoming folks, who hold up their flags because they are so colorful. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: --- Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. Ubelieveable that anyone would think this wasn't CGI. Do people think that Gollem in Lord of the Rings was some kind of body suit? Jeeze. Here's how it was done: someone took Maya or some other professional level animation package and drew 3D images of all the parts. Then they created some kind of 3D physics engine, probably tweaked to make it look better than Maya's own built-in Physics simulator, and ran the simulation til it looked right, rendered it, used various after- rendering applications to make sure it looked as good as it possibly could, added sound effects, and that's it. Here's a very baby version of the same thing done using the level editor for AFterlife, including the game's own sound effects: http://tinyurl.com/pv928 Here's another one without sound effects: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4049365580674350429 Remember: the above were done using FREE level editors for a silly $50 game. The commercial was done using a $7,000 software package that used to cost $60,000. Blush. Though I still think the producers were ripped off. It would have cost less to do teh CGI version and would have looked just as good: http://www.theembassyvfx.com/main.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters and mistakes
--- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hermandan0 no_reply@ wrote: snip To paraphrase someone I respect a lot in a discussion about guru infallibility--some people say Maharishi doesn't make mistakes. Nonesense. If you you are in the relative there are mistakes. He makes a master's mistakes, that's all. With all the implications arising from that! Well put! When MMY talks about making no mistakes, he's talking about doing things that slow your evolution towards enlightenment. Once you reach CC you make no more mistakes. That doesn't mean the person in CC can't miss the baseball when he/she swings at it. Also, as you progress beyond CC, your influence and perception of Self starts to expand and make no mistakes takes on a broader and broader significance, but STILL in the context of evolution towards enlightenment... ...and you STILL might miss that baseball, even in UC. About making mistakes, Like Peter asks, 'what's a mistake?'. The reason Maharishi has said that enlightened souls don't make mistakes, is that from the perspective of an enlightened person, there are no mistakes. There is only the eternal ever changing relative existence, supported by Reality, of which we as enlightened individuals gracefully are. From the perspective of unenlightened individuals, mistakes are abundant, by definition, and so even if they are looking at an enlightened person, they will see mistakes. So when Maharishi says the enlightened don't make mistakes, he is simply clarifying the definition of enlightenment, the Reality of enlightenment, and not as many have supposed, justifying his actions to the unenlightened. I think you can see it as part of the useful fiction MMY created in developing a waking state model of Realization. We make lots of mistakes in waking state. And I think, in waking state, a mistake is an action that produces a result that we don't like. So we say, I made a mistake. It is interesting to note that all mistakes are retrospective. They arise from counter-factual thinking: I did that, but I should have done this. Although the option of this only arises after having done that. And when we did that it was not a mistake because there was no this as a behavioral option. This arises only after the result of the action is experienced. This is a fantasy of what we should have done when that doesn't work out to our liking. It can tie the mind up in knots. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout meditation) quick advancement occurs. In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the ocean of samsaara. ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter drpetersutphen@ wrote: snip Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. Bzzt. Nice try, but no cigar: http://www.snopes.com/autos/business/hondacog.asp I stand corrected. It could have been done for much cheaper using CGI, I suspect. Of course it could have. But it would have looked like CGI. Of course it would and CGI can look quite real: http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?threadid=399499 http://206.145.80.239/zbc/showthread.php?t=036953 http://206.145.80.239/zbc/showthread.php?t=029458 And while this isn't the best example of realistic animation available, it's the best example of rube goldberg I've ever seen: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5503582578132361295q=-+animation To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Fairfield's future--MIU2 on 8/31/06 4:24 AM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: After all, didn't SCI teach everyone that, to be fulfilled, a man must display more creative intelligence every day, and that one of the fundamentals of progress is growth? (Bonus question: Who can name the other four fundamentals?) Stability, adaptability, integration, purification Imagine a school striving for research and teaching excellence, incorporating as many good ideas from MIU/MUM as possible but encouraging debate, inquiry, and free thinking. Meditator or not, anyone could attend, and those who did practice spiritual programs could come from any background. Perhaps, many of the best profs from MIU/MUM who have been dismissed over the years would be interested in returning to teach and conduct research in MIU2. Great idea and great post. Ive often felt that one possible scenario after MMY dies is that liberal forces within the TMO will prevail and MUM will become such a university. Wishful thinking, probably. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? That's an interesting expression in English. Rather seems to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly grammatical. This from Webster's: :) 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? That's an interesting expression in English. Rather seems to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly grammatical. This from Webster's: :) 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might not be the case after all. Beats me! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And while this isn't the best example of realistic animation available, it's the best example of rube goldberg I've ever seen: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5503582578132361295q=-+animation The whole series of animations is outstanding: http://www.animusic.com/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Revised copy of this satsang at: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout meditation) quick advancement occurs. In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the ocean of samsaara. ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Original Hindi text of satsang 48 of 108 in Itrans format:-
praataHkaala aura dina meM jo puujana , japa , dhyaana , aadi karate
ho so to Thiika hii hai , kintu raatri meM sone se pahale 10 - 15
minaTa apane ishhTa maMtra kaa japa aura ishhTa muurti kaa dhyaana
avashya karanaa chaahiye . isase upaasanaa meM jaldii unnati hotii
hai .
a.Ndhere meM aa.Nkha banda karake baiTha jaanaa chaahiye aura maMtra
kaa japa tathaa netra baMdakara mana se apane ishhTa kaa dhyaana
karanaa chaahiye . unake sampuurNa shariira para nahiiM , charaNa meM
yaa mastaka para ( mukha - maMDala para ) dekhanaa chaahiye ki
hamaare ishhTadeva hamaarii aura karuNaa bharii , dayaabharii
dR^ishhTi se dekha rahe haiM . ishhTa kii dR^ishhTi hii apane kaama
kii hotii hai . apane ishhTa ko aaMkha banda ki{}e hu{}e nahiiM
dekhanaa chaahiye . isa prakaara apanii ora dayaabharii dR^ishhTi se
dekhate hu{}e ishhTa kaa hadaya meM dhyaana karate hu{}e ishhTa
maMtra kaa japa karate rahanaa chaahiye . isase ishhTa ke prati
dR^i.Dhataa ba.Dhegii aura yadi mana ne dR^i.Dhataa ke saatha ishhTa
ko paka.Da liyaa to anta meM yahii nishhThaakaama aayegii . isii ke
bala para saMsaara - saagara se paara ho jaa{}oge .
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Revised copy of this satsang at:
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason
premanandpaul@ wrote:
Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few
words about when and how to meditate.
Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006
At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but
at
night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of
japa
of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa
muurti'
(desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout
meditation) quick advancement occurs.
In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the
mantra,
and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the
ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on
the
foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of
compassion
of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The
vision
of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not
envisage
the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen
the
vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa
in
the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra.
From
this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the
mind
gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will
stay
in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across
the
ocean of samsaara.
['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108]
More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? That's an interesting expression in English. Rather seems to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly grammatical. This from Webster's: :) 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. Thanks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was this guy originally a Maharishi pundit? Yes. Forward: paste...our new full-time temple priest, Pundit Sarathi. This marks a great milestone in Sri Devi Mandir's growth and we hope you will join us in welcoming them both to town and come to the temple for the following programs to celebrate the 9 Days of Ganesh. Thursday, August 31 10 amRudra Abhishekam 7 pm Lord Ganesh Abhiskekam Ganesh Puja Friday, September 1 10 am Rudra Abhishekam 7 pm Mother Divine Puja Lalita Sahasranama Chanting Saturday, September 2 9:30 am Rudra Abhishekam 9 Planet Homa Ganesh Homa - for prosperity and removing obstacles 7 pm Vishnu Sahasranama Chanting Bhajans and Arati Sunday, September 3 9:30 am Rudra Abhishekam Lord Sun Yagnya with sun salutations - good for health Monday, September 4 10 am Rudra Abhishekam 7 pm Shiva Puja Meditation/bhajans/arati Tuesday, September 5 Beginning Tuesday, we will be having regular hours at the temple. Email to follow with schedule. We look forward to seeing you there. All Events are Free and Open to the Public Optional Formal Sponsorship Available Please bring fruit and flowers Sri Devi Mandir 800 West Burlington 469-6041 or 888-835-7788 on 8/31/06 11:12 AM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: One (1) Pundit has arrived! By a private effort, one `Maharishi' pundit did get a visa to come to and live in America and is in FF now. Just arrived and taking up residence in FF. No part of the TMorg millions ($) raised were allotted to this. The pundit is chanting and performing peace coherence-making rites now at the FF Devi Mandir Temple on W. Burlington Street. A culmination of some brilliant work on the part private efforts to actually bring pundits here. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
On Aug 31, 2006, at 12:29 PM, TurquoiseB wrote: Fuck off and die is not really a threat, Michael It's a common form of dismissal, along the lines of, Go forth and multiply elsewhere, somewhere they actually take people like you seriously. Gosh, and here I've been avoiding this thread because on account of the title, I figured it would be some boring, bland spiritual discussion. :) Sal To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati on meditation
Guru Dev Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati on meditation
Translation of Guru Dev's satsang on how when to meditate, at:-
http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/upadesh.htm#Gurudevmeditation
48
raatri meM sone se pahale kuchha japa aura dhyaana
avashya kareM
*
praataHkaala aura dina meM jo puujana , japa , dhyaana , aadi karate
ho so to Thiika hii hai , kintu raatri meM sone se pahale 10 - 15
minaTa apane ishhTa maMtra kaa japa aura ishhTa muurti kaa dhyaana
avashya karanaa chaahiye . isase upaasanaa meM jaldii unnati hotii
hai .
a.Ndhere meM aa.Nkha banda karake baiTha jaanaa chaahiye aura maMtra
kaa japa tathaa netra baMdakara mana se apane ishhTa kaa dhyaana
karanaa chaahiye . unake sampuurNa shariira para nahiiM , charaNa meM
yaa mastaka para ( mukha - maMDala para ) dekhanaa chaahiye ki
hamaare ishhTadeva hamaarii aura karuNaa bharii , dayaabharii
dR^ishhTi se dekha rahe haiM . ishhTa kii dR^ishhTi hii apane kaama
kii hotii hai . apane ishhTa ko aaMkha banda ki{}e hu{}e nahiiM
dekhanaa chaahiye . isa prakaara apanii ora dayaabharii dR^ishhTi se
dekhate hu{}e ishhTa kaa hadaya meM dhyaana karate hu{}e ishhTa
maMtra kaa japa karate rahanaa chaahiye . isase ishhTa ke prati
dR^i.Dhataa ba.Dhegii aura yadi mana ne dR^i.Dhataa ke saatha ishhTa
ko paka.Da liyaa to anta meM yahii nishhThaakaama aayegii . isii ke
bala para saMsaara - saagara se paara ho jaa{}oge .
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? Would rather acts as a verb, meaning prefer; I would rather is an idiom meaning I would prefer it if... Sorry, didn't mean to spring another idiom on you! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Guru Dev on how / when to meditate
Paul Mason wrote: Guru Dev - Shankaracharya Swami Brahmanand Saraswati gives a few words about when and how to meditate. Translation by Paul Mason 31st August 2006 At daybreak and in the day do that fit puja and dhyaana etc, but at night before sleeping you should certainly do 10-15 minutes of japa of the 'ishhTa mantra kaa japa' and 'dhyaana' of the 'ishhTa muurti' (desired form). From this 'upaasanaa' (sitting near / devout meditation) quick advancement occurs. In darkness you should sit with eye closed and do japa of the mantra, and in the same way with eye closed you should do dhyana of the ishhTa with the mind. Not on their whole body, you should look on the foot or on the mouth area of the head, seeing the full of compassion of our favourite ishhTa, looking infused with tenderness. The vision of the ishhTa becomes one's own desire. You should look not envisage the eye of the ishhTa to be closed. This manner of having seen the vision of the infusion of tenderness, doing dhyaana of the ishhTa in the heart, you should remain doing japa of the ishhTa mantra. From this, the image of the ishhTa will grow and provided that the mind gets strengthened and held with the ishhTa then in the end will stay in this condition. On the strength of this you should go across the ocean of samsaara. ['Shri Shankaracharya UpadeshAmrita' kaNa 48 of 108] More: http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/gurudev.htm It's important to remember that India being close to the equator does not have the varying sunrise and sunset times nor Daylight Saving Time that more northerly countries have. Hence many gurus will modify the meditation after sunset to meditating in a dark room. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
Peter wrote: --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many stunts like these are shown in the extras including how the cars are often modified. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? That's an interesting expression in English. Rather seems to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly grammatical. This from Webster's: :) 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might not be the case after all. Beats me! The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for would or had in informal English. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: (1) Pundit has arrived in FF !
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer groups@ wrote: Was this guy originally a Maharishi pundit? Yes. Forward: paste...our new full-time temple priest, Pundit Sarathi. This marks a great milestone in Sri Devi Mandir's growth and we hope you will join us in welcoming them both to town and come to the temple for the following programs to celebrate the 9 Days of Ganesh. Sooo... Who is doing his cooking? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Current Dome Numbers
Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, theyseem to be bringing much needed rains to some areas. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Current Dome Numbers
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Current Dome Numbers on 8/31/06 4:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. Also Ernesto and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to be bringing much needed rains to some areas. Winds in the areas where hurricanes germinate have been about 5 mph faster than normal this year, which cools the water, thus weakening the storms. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter wrote: --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: This 1980s three-minute commercial for Isuzu, according to PC World's Steve Bass, was made without special effects or CGI. YouTube: http://tinyurl.com/zlx7z Nice driving! Too bad the cars were so fugly. There's also the Rube Goldberg Honda commercial: http://tinyurl.com/leh5z I remember reading an article about that commercial when it first came out, and it was also not CGI. They just did take after take after take, for hours on end, and finally it worked perfectly, and the crew was stunned when it finally worked. Having worked in TV production for many years in my first career, I doubt such a complex sequence would be left to chance and shot over and over again until it came out right. It would cost way too much because of the time involved. A producer would say ,NO WAY to the expense. I believe the production story is just a fun, false story. And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many stunts like these are shown in the extras including how the cars are often modified. That wasn't a stunt. It was a sure bet for CGI except the firm that did it conned the producers into footing the bill for live-action. IMHO of course. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Current Dome Numbers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody have the current dome numbers? I am curious as to whether there is a claim for the Hurricane numbers being so few this year. They did make that claim in one of the updates (I saw it on the TMFriends group). Also Ernesto and John haven't seemed to cause much, if any, damage. In fact, they seem to be bringing much needed rains to some areas. Ernesto was working up to hurricane strength again last I heard. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Guru Dev on who and who cannot be a guru
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: More like, I'd rather you were dead. Is that a full sentence? The part in quotes is. Were is the verb? That's an interesting expression in English. Rather seems to act like a verb. I think it's an ellipsis, or stuff. I'd say from the English point of view it's perfectly grammatical. This from Webster's: :) 7. had or would rather, to prefer that or to: I had much rather we not stay. We would rather go for dinner after the show. On second thought, I might be all wrong. I've always thought there's an ellipsis of the predicate verb, but it might not be the case after all. Beats me! The apostrphe-d is the verb. Stands for would or had in informal English. Yeah, but those are auxiliary verbs, no? I think the main verb is rather, standing in idiomatically for prefer, although there's no verb to rather, obviously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Weapons of Mass Destruction
There has been quite a bit of discussion lately regarding the movement's policies and practices surrounding the exclusion of Sidhas and Governors from the group practice in the Domes. It has been noted that many individuals previously banned have been allowed to participate in the current course, some after many years of exclusion. This is a good development, and I welcome it. It has also been noted that many individuals continue to be excluded. Some numbers have been mentioned from time to time, but it is difficult to know with any degree of certainty to what extent the banning continues, as the machinery of exclusion is mostly private. A few days ago I had a conversation with my friend Tim Britton, who is among those not admitted to the current program. In the course of our conversation, I couldn't help but be impressed with Tim's integrity and equanimity, his total lack of hard feelings toward the course office, and his willingness to rationally consider the arguments put forward in support of his exclusion. In fact, Tim managed to articulate these policies with greater clarity than I have ever heard them articulated by representatives of the movement. Consequently, I must admit that my own paraphrasing is somewhat less refined, and therefore perhaps less convincing. I would like to address, in particular, two arguments recently advanced in support of exclusions. The first says that if people are practicing techniques learned from other teachers or organizationseven if they do not practice these techniques in the Domethey might be disrupting the practice of others. The argument asserts that alien techniques might have undesirable physiological effects which could adversely affect those sitting near the practitioner. The other argument is even more esoteric, and deals with the issue of loyalty to the master and the master's organization. It says that even if an individual practices ONLY Maharishi's technologies in the Dome, the practice of other techniques in private will breach (on some subtle, ultra-refined level) the coherence within the group, therefore upsetting the progress of all those connected with it. Aside from my own lack of skill in articulating these concepts, they both suffer from serious problems of credibility. First of all, they are not based on anything resembling systematic observation. Those who have been excluded on the basis of alien practices are generally those who have been exposed through spying, informants, or chance. Occasionally they were victims of their own honesty in answering a questionnaire. However, they weren't busted because someone saw them doing something weird in the Domes. Nor were they exposed because people sitting next to them fainted or began vomiting, or were suddenly, mysteriously, unable to fly. Similarly, no one to my knowledge has put forth a compelling argument as to how one's evolution is necessarily damaged by adding a spiritual practice to one's private program. More amazingly, to my way of thinking, no one has explained how a seasoned, experienced Sidha or Governor would fail to notice if a practice produced undesirable results, or would continue a practice that was not satisfying. In truth, very rarely does one hear it claimed outright that the alien techniques are known to produce bad effects of any kind for the practitioner (other than banning, of course). However, it is regularly IMPLIED that such is the case. One phrase which I have often heard, in that regard, is that we just don't know what the effect would be. Let me see: is there a better definition of acting from ignorance? On the one hand, we are told again and again of the enormous value of every single warm body that can be included in the group program. It has been proven by dozens of meticulous research projects around the world, and those of us who are in possession of this knowledge are morally obligated to act on it. On the other hand, despite the fact that there has been no research on the putative negative effects of practicing alien techniques in private, and the fact that we have no actual reason to believe that those effects are negative with respect to the Dome experience, we are encouraged to believe that the exclusion of those practitioners from the group program is somehow in the interest of world peace. In other words, the arguments in favor of blacklisting are actually rather vague and opaque. We don't know what, if any, are the actual effects of letting people into the Dome who practice some alternate or auxiliary techniques at home. We do, however, know the effects of the blacklisting. As an immediate, direct, mathematically quantifiable result: fewer people in the Domes. As a longer term, indirect, less-easily-quantifiable-but-nevertheless-observable result: still fewer people in the Domes. Those who are banned often face negative social and economic
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?! on 8/31/06 7:33 AM, Ingegerd at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think that the TMO and the TB's want to physical kill somebody, because they are very aware of their own Karma (I hope). It is some really crazy people out there. So far, as I know the threats has been on the psychology level. But in the future - when MMY has gone - and some even more material guys is taking over the TMO, and more and more critical questions is coming up, you never know what will happen. Ingegerd The first time Amma came to FF she received three death threats. A spiritual teacher who was planning to come a few months before her received one and changed his plans. Someone recently threatened to kill Shiva Ma for stirring up a fuss about the dome, but that may have just been an empty threat, like children use. A friend of mine who taught TM in India for many years says be regards the Indian TMO as having a mafia-like mentality, and not above killing someone or having them killed. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hugheshugo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered through the ages because of it. However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) than ever died in the name of religion. True, but communism and nazism were run in much the same way as all religions, with powerful figureheads dispensing the truth, true believers, heretics and outsiders etc. It's just human nature to form us them groups. Agreed. But that's why it isn't religion per se that creates these problems but ideologies of ANY kind. Like, say, a blind adherence to the belief that global warming is going to destroy all of mankind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Paul Mason, a wolf in disguise?!
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandpaul@ wrote: Frank Lotz wrote everything on that posting. . . . His reply seemed to contain some sort of implicit threat, therefore I thought it best to make his rant more public. A wise precaution. I've been doing research for a story idea about religious fanatics who are willing to commit serious crimes (including murder) to protect their fanatical ideas of what is true and what is not. The more you read about the real things that these kinds of real people do in the name of God and religion, the scarier it gets and the more precautions you feel like taking in your life if you are perceived by one or more of them as a heretic. Suffice it to say that this kind of fanaticism didn't end with the Inquisition or the Protestant/ Catholic conflicts. Every year around the world there are dozens -- if not hundreds or thousands -- of murders performed in the name of God. It really lends credence to the idea that religion is a disease, and that what the world needs is not more religion, but an antidote to it. I don't disagree that religion is often used as a pretext or excuse for killing and that, indeed, millions have died and suffered through the ages because of it. However, to keep things in perspective: more people died and suffered in the name of atheism (the state religion of communism) than ever died in the name of religion. Really? As a percentage of people alive at the time, or are you using raw numbers? raw numbers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Ultimate car commercial
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip And with today's DVDs the setups and rehearsals for many stunts like these are shown in the extras including how the cars are often modified. That wasn't a stunt. It was a sure bet for CGI except the firm that did it conned the producers into footing the bill for live-action. IMHO of course. Look at it again...that ain't no CGI. Just for one thing, for CGI they'd have conceived and designed it differently, more closeups, more visually intelligible. It's hard to figure out exactly what's happening in some parts of it; and it's obvious that some parts of it *just barely* make it. It's not all that smooth, which is what makes it so breathtaking. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
