[FairfieldLife] Re: Good Article

2016-04-01 Thread emily.ma...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks for posting.  The article that I read after this one, even more 
fascinating and extremely interesting and informative and entertaining, albeit 
quite long, was "The Obama Doctrine" by Jeffrey Goldberg, which gives the 
backdrop and his thinking behind his foreign policy approach and decisions.  
Boy, are we going to miss our President.  
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,  wrote :

 
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/can-clinton-reconstruct-trump-supporters-hope/476319/
 
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/can-clinton-reconstruct-trump-supporters-hope/476319/





[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article -- The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders

2015-01-09 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
subtle distinctions, Barry, subtle distinctions. 

 It's what for dinner.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 It's refreshing to read someone who actually gets it, as opposed to some of 
the They brought it on themselves because they attacked genuflect religion 
nonsense we've been hearing from some quarters. 

 

 The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders - The New Yorker 
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders
 

  
  
 http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders
  
  
  
  
  
 The Blame for the Charlie Hebdo Murders - The New Yorker 
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders The 
murders today in Paris are not a result of France’s failure to assimilate two 
generations of Muslim immigrants from its former colonies.


 
 View on www.newyorker.com 
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/blame-for-charlie-hebdo-murders
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 A quote from the article I liked because it says it all (color highlighting 
mine):
 

 Because the ideology is the product of a major world religion, a lot of 
painstaking pretzel logic goes into trying to explain what the violence does, 
or doesn’t, have to do with Islam. Some well-meaning people tiptoe around the 
Islamic connection, claiming that the carnage has nothing to do with faith, or 
that Islam is a religion of peace, or that, at most, the violence represents a 
“distortion” of a great religion. ... A religion is not just a set of texts but 
the living beliefs and practices of its adherents. Islam today includes a 
substantial minority of believers who countenance, if they don’t actually carry 
out, a degree of violence in the application of their convictions that is 
currently unique. Charlie Hebdo had been nondenominational in its satire, 
sticking its finger into the sensitivities of Jews and Christians, too—but only 
Muslims responded with threats and acts of terrorism.
 

 

 







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Cephus is very much *not* just setting up straw men. He has been very active 
for many years on atheist chat groups, where one commonly sees *every single 
one* of the dumb behaviors he lists being demonstrated by idiotic Chrisschuns 
who descend on such groups to try to convert the heathens. *Out of context*, 
his article may seem to be a straw man argument, but if you had spent any time 
on such forums, you would know how spot-on his descriptions of common 
anti-atheist rhetoric are. 

As for the distinction between how a modern-day British person might feel about 
religion vs. how Americans might feel, there is a grain of truth in what you 
say, but only a grain. Modern-day British Catholics seem just as insane to me 
as Catholics in other parts of the world, for example. 

I think you're cherry-picking arguers for the existence of God to make it 
appear as if the ones you LIKE are more common than they are. I could do the 
same thing, quoting Christians I actually LIKE such as Bruce Cockburn or G.K. 
(Seriousness is not a virtue) Chesterton. But they're exceptions. You are not 
likely to find their equals among the many people trying to sell their God on 
the Internet. Almost by definition, anyone zealous enough to try to *convert* 
someone else to a belief in God has left reason and rationality behind and is 
working from a platform of elitism and emotion. (IMO, of course.) 

My idea of a *civilized* discussion about the existence of God would be as 
follows:- Person 1: I believe God exists.- Person 2: I believe that no such 
being as God exists.- Person 1: OK, nice talking to you.- Person 2: Yup. 
See you round.
That's it. It's about BELIEF, so there is really nothing more to be said, or 
any point in trying.
As for your speculations about some trying event in my past w.r.t. religion, 
Bzt, thanks for playing, but you're wrong. I was never raised religious, 
and never spent much time around anyone religious (other than TM Neo-Hindus). 
For that matter, I've never spent any time around atheists, either, because as 
I suggest above I don't see any point in arguing about something that is purely 
a matter of belief and that can never be resolved. 

What I'm on about is a set of very common behaviors one tends to see on the 
Internet among those who feel the need to push their God agendas on others. You 
are probably correct that when I rail against such people I may be ignoring the 
1% (or fewer) believers who actually have some intelligence, but so be it. It's 
the 99% I'm talking about, and to. If you don't consider yourself part of them, 
just don't read my stuff. 

  From: s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:16 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
  
    This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and 
myself is that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would 
that be? Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big 
- indeed it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up 
images of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into 
current societal changes. To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To 
Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma 
from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to 
me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection.Here's Dawkins/Williams 
in civilized debate . . .https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...


10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists
October 9, 2013by Cephus


Asatheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd thingsthat 
are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussionthat leave us 
rolling our eyes.  This really isn’t intended so

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

 



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have... [1 Attachment]

2014-11-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Well said, Sal. 

 

 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 

 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

 

 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a 
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?! And fyi, I 
would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others who feel the 
same. And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

 



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
salyavin, the mysterious and fascinating thing for me is that each of us on FFL 
is triggered by someone different, by different online behavior. I like Richard 
a lot because I don't get any sort of snide or arrogant or mean vibe from 
him. At all. And I enjoy something in all FFLers but one. So I think of him as 
my shadow to work on. Anyway, it's all grist for the mill, it all can be used 
to help us develop fully, yada yada. That's why I continue here. Go figger.

PS I admit it's still a bit weird for me when 2 people I really like, like you 
and Richard, are at odds with each other. But I shall soldier on (-:

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:

 



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for 
so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't 
understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.


On 11/22/2014 1:55 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and 
why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction.


/So, it's all about Willytex - but do you have to be so mean?//
//
//You can call me anything you want, if that helps you dehumanize me for 
the purpose of starting a dialog. But, just for the record, my alias is 
Pundit Sir and my name is Richard. /


Just try simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get 
endless tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you 
haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without 
opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little 
dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his 
plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.


/You sound scared, but maybe it's just your prejudice that I'm 
addressing. Now that I've got your attention, why do you come across as 
prejudiced and bigoted?/


If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some 
well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to 
wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be 
bothered to think about it.  After two post he goes straight back to 
abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out 
of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of 
his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you 
aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit 
around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.


/Non sequitur./



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:


*/Well said, Sal.
/*
*/
/*
*/My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all 
got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would 
manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy 
Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course.  :-)/*


How much would you be willing to wager?
/*
*/
*/But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice 
he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where 
he went, but not many, and only for a second or two.

/*


How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?


*/
/*
*/After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been 
beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so 
many years. /*


So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go 
figure.


/*
*/



*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
**
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for 
so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't 
understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.


I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and 
why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try 
simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless 
tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't 
noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening 
them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog 
snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a 
sort of attempt at denial of service.


If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some 
well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to 
wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be 
bothered to think about it.  After two post he goes straight back to 
abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out 
of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of 
his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you 
aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit 
around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.


Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it 
looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me 
Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I 
see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, 
why make a point about it. Every time. Every day.


Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a 
one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he 
says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have 
the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if 
we'd rather not.


It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.

Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So 
glad I've got brand new tires.


*From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing
at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject
of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that
bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


/For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me
for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry.

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the
internet - that's his game.

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never
accomplished a damn thing, so far as I can tell./


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@...
mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I
really don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens.
Something about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the
people doing it.











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
sal, sal, God Bless You. 

 Yes, let me apologize again, that I find your posts lacking in the 
interesting department.  
 

 Remember, you're the guy who has expressed the sentiment that youtube, and the 
internet in general should be edited appropriately according to what you 
consider to be relevant.
 

 Go figure.
 

 But, but, Barry, bringing a lot to the place?
 

 I guess if you consider dumping on people on a daily basis as bringing a lot 
to thee place, you are right.
 

 But, God Bless You, sal,  God bless ya.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :
 

 snip

 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.

 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 

 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would 
find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, 
Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to 
push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
 
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)


 
 How much would you be willing to wager?
 
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 




 
 How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
 
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 




 
 So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure.
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 




 
 







 



 
 








 
 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

--- turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Excellent rap, Salyavin. Nothing I can add to this. 

 

 But I do have to ask about something you said: It's just shame that atheism 
offers no afterlife in paradise to make up for the biggest draw religions have!
 

 
It's dangerous to go to paradise because an ever-erect 
penis will result in permanent damage to penis. Technicaly 
and medicaly you can die of blueballs. 

Any erection that lasts for more than 3 hours is dangerous 
and allopathic doctor should be consulted.

Everyone that God admits into paradise will be married to 
72 wives. All of them will have libidinous sex organs and he 
will have an ever-erect penis. 
 ~ Sunan Ibn Majah, Zuhd 39 

Each time we sleep with a Houri we find her virgin. 
Besides, the penis of the Elected never softens. The 
erection is eternal.
 ~ Al-Itqan fi Ulum al-Qur'an, p. 351 

Abu al-Fida (1273 – 1331 AD) was a Muslim geographer and 
historian. He relates that Prophet Muhammad suffered from a 
death erection. Ali ibn Abi alib, the fourth rightly-guided 
Caliph of Islam (and also Muhammad's son-in-law and cousin) 
washed his body after his death, and had exclaimed, 
O prophet, thy penis is erect unto the sky!






   
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Ok, if it doesn't matter whether or not there's a God, then a genuinely 
interesting question is: why do people go on and on about it? What is really 
going on in all these supposedly intellectual conversations? What are people 
really attempting to accomplish by such posts and exchanges?

From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 

I'll have a go at answering that one. It doesn't really matter what people 
believe as everyone usually just gets on with everyone else, nobody really 
judges people on what they believe - how they behave is the important thing. 
 

 After 9/11 Richard Dawkins thought that maybe it was time that we all sat down 
and had a good long metaphysical look at ourselves and whether we should be 
abandoning old ways of thinking if they are going to lead to fundamentalism and 
skewed morals and all the endless hideous stories we hear from round the world 
about FGM and witchcraft trials and the pathetic excuses made by successive 
popes about institutional child abuse. And that's not even mentioning the 
mental pollution of religious schools filling young brains with unproven 
rubbish. 
 

 It's time for a change perhaps, the idea is that we can perhaps decide a 
rational way of ordering societies and how to educate children with the baggage 
of iron age superstitions.Maybe we, as a race, could grow out of backward 
thinking, blind faith and gullibility. Maybe we'd just be better off without 
all the mistakes of the past holding us back, surely we can do better than 
relying on so-called received knowledge from iron age gods?
 

 I think it's been a great debate and long may it continue, anything that makes 
people think about themselves is a good thing. Shame nothing has changed 
really, but the cards are on the table and maybe the mad fundies will start to 
question themselves if more people question them? I doubt it, they all seem to 
be getting more entrenched. The trouble I see is that you can't reason somebody 
out of something they weren't reasoned into. Dawkins thought that religion was 
like any other system of thought, that it will be replaced by a logically 
superior one if it came along. But religion is deeper than that, it's a thing 
of the heart and not of the brain. Especially if you are brought up in a faith, 
it's like the first language you learn, an intractable part of how your brain 
works and the first thing you'll turn to. It's an emotion that we try to 
justify intellectually.
 

 I think it's good to provide alternatives in case people discover they like 
asking questions and don't mind where the answers take them. It's just shame 
that atheism offers no afterlife in paradise to make up for the biggest draw 
religions have! That's probably what stops a lot of potential converts. Darwin 
should have thought of that. But he still wouldn't fool anyone because if you 
care about knowledge you still have to follow where the discovery of objective 
knowledge takes you. Or you stay with your beliefs like most people do. Or 
become a TM scientist and pretend that the pursuit of truth has taken you back 
to a position of god creating and running everything.
 

 Of course, many religions have started using the language of science to argue 
against scientific discoveries, I always read The Watchtower and am amazed at 
the ingenuity of believers trying to fool the unwary with sciencey articles 
disproving evolution. Should be laws against it, but that is a topic for 
another thread.
 

 

 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:24 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Good article by someone with more 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Salyavin, the mysterious and fascinating thing for me is that each of us on 
FFL is triggered by someone different, by different online behavior. I like 
Richard a lot because I don't get any sort of snide or arrogant or mean vibe 
from him. At all. And I enjoy something in all FFLers but one. So I think of 
him as my shadow to work on. Anyway, it's all grist for the mill, it all can 
be used to help us develop fully, yada yada. That's why I continue here. Go 
figger.

 

 PS I admit it's still a bit weird for me when 2 people I really like, like you 
and Richard, are at odds with each other. But I shall soldier on (:
 

 Eh? I'm not at odds with him, I've often tried to engage him but he just gets 
aggressive. I don't understand it so I just ignore. People are perfectly 
entitled to dislike me if they want, I don't mind in the slightest. It's 
probably just because I don't share his beliefs or something trivial.
 

 But yes, these web alliances can run deep and it can be fascinating when 
someone reveals another side to them and you suddenly have to re-evaluate them. 
I'm sure if we all met face-to-face it would be different, forming opinions on 
someone based just on their religious predilections or otherwise is going about 
life in a different way to normal and is bound to cause fractiousness. That's 
life in the wild web for ya!
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:55 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread jason_gre...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

--- s3raphita@... wrote :

 Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a 
more balanced atheist.:
 

 This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.
 One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is 
that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? 
Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed 
it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images 
of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current 
societal changes. 
To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. 

Your statement is inherently absurd. Please maintain the 
distinction between Religion and Spiritualism.

Religion is like a banana skin, spiritualism is the banana.
Dogmatic, under-developed religions can be harmful. 
Generations of women suffered from guilt complex due to 
christian genesis story.



To Barry the mention of religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma 
from his childhood or adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to 
me it's all about sweet reason and nuanced reflection.
 Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs









Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread nablusoss1008

 A fit Richard against a beer-bellied, delusional, old man ? It's pretty 
obvious who'd be beaten into a bloody pulp

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would 
find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, 
Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to 
push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
 
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)


 
 How much would you be willing to wager?
 
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 




 
 How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
 
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 




 
 So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure.
 
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 
 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey...
 

 I see we are going to get some wonderful mileage from this picture. And I see 
bawee is still sporting the cooking pot or lampshade on his head. The really 
funny thing is, I remember bawee commenting on how dog-ugly Judy was in her 
picture, he would go on and on about it and how old she was. In contrast he 
would imply he was so much better looking and even went so far as to say he was 
thin. Now I couldn't care less if he looked like some grizzled out geezer with 
man boobs reading comic books with a stewing pot balanced on his head but 
because he has always been so quick to denigrate the looks of others I thought 
it appropriate to give it a mention here.
 

 

 
 

 













 
 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Well said, Sal. 

 

 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 

 I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
 

 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

 

 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
 

I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?
 

 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yes, I was amazed too, after all the talk Barry does, about being so attractive 
in his old age. He looks like a bum, who dumpster dives for breakfast. And this 
picture is about a year old...
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Here, let me rephrase that for you, Barry, you sick monkey...
 

 I see we are going to get some wonderful mileage from this picture. And I see 
bawee is still sporting the cooking pot or lampshade on his head. The really 
funny thing is, I remember bawee commenting on how dog-ugly Judy was in her 
picture, he would go on and on about it and how old she was. In contrast he 
would imply he was so much better looking and even went so far as to say he was 
thin. Now I couldn't care less if he looked like some grizzled out geezer with 
man boobs reading comic books with a stewing pot balanced on his head but 
because he has always been so quick to denigrate the looks of others I thought 
it appropriate to give it a mention here.
 

 

 
 

 













 
 


 















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No kidding. That fight would last about two seconds, with Barry crapping 
himself, and insisting he was just joking.  
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 A fit Richard against a beer-bellied, delusional, old man ? It's pretty 
obvious who'd be beaten into a bloody pulp

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 The funny thing is, if any of us were to visit Leiden and find Barry, we would 
find a half-drunken chickenshit, disavowing all that he has said here. You see, 
Barry is a coward, hiding behind these forums. He wouldn't have the guts to 
push his agenda, face to face. I may prove that, one of these days. :-)
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 3:29 AM, TurquoiseBee wrote:
 
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)


 
 How much would you be willing to wager?
 
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 




 
 How much would you be willing to wager - do you have a PayPal account?
 
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 




 
 So, it's all about Richard and not about your cognitive dissonance.Go figure.
 
 
 
 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 
 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
 legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 













 
 


 















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote:

turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts 
in a Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?


/Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share 
- //he said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless 
they are included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well 
- maybe he is scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He 
probably hates me now for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he 
did ask for feedback //and invited us to read his Rama web site./


! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are 
others who feel the same.

And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.






*From:* TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


*/Well said, Sal.
/*
*/
/*
*/My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all 
got together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would 
manage to let bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy 
Judy a drink...not that she'd drink it, of course.  :-)/*

*/
/*
*/But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice 
he was missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where 
he went, but not many, and only for a second or two.

/*
*/
/*
*/After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been 
beaten into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so 
many years. /*



*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
**
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for 
so many years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't 
understand his behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.


I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and 
why he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try 
simply not having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless 
tedious trolling, and I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't 
noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability to scan posts without opening 
them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's like a little dog 
snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's his plan, a 
sort of attempt at denial of service.


If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some 
well practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to 
wikipedia that he either doesn't understand himself or can't be 
bothered to think about it.  After two post he goes straight back to 
abuse. Years and years and years he's been doing it, what he gets out 
of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. He says he's proud of 
his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion board if you 
aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading shit 
around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.


Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it 
looked boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me 
Share, is there a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I 
see something that doesn't interest me I just skip to the next one, 
why make a point about it. Every time. Every day.


Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a 
one trick pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he 
says but it is a discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have 
the choice to respond and alternatives with how we spend out time if 
we'd rather not.


It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.

Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So 
glad I've got brand new tires.


*From:* 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing
at the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject
of that joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that
bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


/For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me
for the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry.

The guy has been

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
That is the way I figure it, too, Richard. You are the one on here, who never 
lets him escape his past, often quoting contradictory information that he has 
posted, prior to his latest screed. He is both furious, and mentally confused - 
not a good combo. They will have their hands full, at the assisted living 
center.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
 
   turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a 
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?


 
 Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - he 
said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are 
included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is 
scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now 
for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback and 
invited us to read his Rama web site.
 
 ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are others 
who feel the same.
 And I hope you can be more at peace with your emotions about Richard.




 
 

 
 
 From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Well said, Sal. 
 
 
 
 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 
 
 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
 
 
 
 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
 
 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 
 
 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 
 
 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 
 
 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   On 11/21

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?

Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has 
been using it ever since. 




  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:


 




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
veryunhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Go figger! Which I *stole* from Bhairitu...

  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:34 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?

Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has 
been using it ever since. 




  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:


 




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks, Richard, I guess I lost track of who got put into Folders. Anyway, in 
revolt, and as a *spiritual* practice LOL, I'm aiming to read EVERY SINGLE FFL 
POST from now on. It seems kind of dumb to me to avoid reading certain posters. 
Except for that bit about taking on someone else's karma...hmmm, it's a 
conundrum. May have to rethink my strategy. Will report later (-:

  From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:28 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
 On 11/22/2014 6:34 AM, Share Long wrote:
 
  
     turq, huh?! How can Richard stalk and abuse you if you put his posts in a 
Folder and instruct your Folder Secretary to not show them to you?   
 
 Barry actually didn't say he filtered my messages into a folder, Share - he 
said he kill-filed me, meaning he doesn't even see them unless they are 
included in another reply. He doesn't take criticism very well - maybe he is 
scared. He is a complicated character to figure out. He probably hates me now 
for exposing his deep cognitive dissonance, but he did ask for feedback and 
invited us to read his Rama web site.
 
 
 ! And fyi, I would miss Richard if he wasn't here and I bet there are 
others who feel the same.  And I hope you can be more at peace with your 
emotions about Richard. 
 
 
 
   
  From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 3:29 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
     Well said, Sal. 
  
  My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got  
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a  drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-) 
  But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was  
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 
  
  After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been  beaten 
into a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years.  
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
 
   Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his  
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here. 
  I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction.  Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a  little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service. 
  If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about  it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here  everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure. 
  Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck?  Tell me Share, is there 
a point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to  the next one, why make a point about it. Every 
time. Every day. 
  Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he  says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we  spend out time if we'd rather not. 
  It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day.  
  Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
   From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Well said, Sal. 

 

 My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got 
together physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let 
bygones be bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that 
she'd drink it, of course.  :-)
 

 I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
 

 But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

 

 After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
 

I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?
 

 

 Actually, he stole Go figure from me. He read it in Road Trip Mind and has 
been using it ever since. 

 

 Some Urban Slang defs of go figure:
 

 3

 
http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USs=twitterurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure
  
http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USs=facebookurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure
  
http://www.addthis.com/bookmark.php?v=300winname=addthispub=ra-50dc926d011f6845source=tbx-300lng=en-USurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgo-figure.urbanup.com%2F7367749title=Urban%20Dictionary%3A%20Go%20figure
  http://www.urbandictionary.com/favorites.form.php?defid=7367749
 Go figure 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figuredefid=7367749

 A slang phrase used only in the United States of America, short for go and 
figure that out. It is typically only used in speech, and is an attempt to 
ridicule the previous thing they said. In fact, all it does is indicate that 
the person is both ignorant and stupid.
 

 Go figure 
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Go%20figuredefid=3672024

 A saying used when something happens that you might have expected, but you 
have absolutely nothing original or intelligent to say. Generally used by 
idiots with IQs below 85, who just want to hear them selves talk, and build 
thier own unfounded egos.
 




 




 

 

 

 

 

 
 









 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Unlikely we would get anything out of Willy Tex - he would most likely spend 
the reunion sitting off to himself and mumbling about buddhist stupas. 

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:52 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Well said, Sal. 

My bet is that if there were ever a FFL Reunion, in which we all got together 
physically to chat over a few beers, most people would manage to let bygones be 
bygones and get along. Heck, I'd even buy Judy a drink...not that she'd drink 
it, of course.  :-)
I think we should organise one, be fascinating to see what everyone is really 
like and if we mix like sociable humans or gather into predictable corners or 
start fighting over whether Erich Von Daniken is a better scientist than John 
Hagelin. And I'd sit down for a pint with Judy any day!
But Richard? My bet is that after a few minutes people would notice he was 
missing from the festivities. A few people would wonder where he went, but not 
many, and only for a second or two. 

After the event they'd find him out back in the alley, having been beaten into 
a bloody pulp by the people he's stalked and abused for so many years. 
I suspect everyone will be as curious as me to find out what he's really like, 
he plays his cards so close to his chest it's hard to see the humanity beneath. 
Or maybe he really does only speak in one sentence missives with a go figure 
at the end. Perhaps it's a Texan thing we didn't know about?

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why he's 
irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not having an 
opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and I mean 
endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the ability 
to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here because he's 
like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I suspect that's 
his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
  From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM,fleetwood_macncheese wrote:


 




It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyonelaughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, onthe subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there issomething that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.


For the record, this is payback for all theshit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables areturned now, his turn to cry. 

The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around theinternet - that's 
his game. 

Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's neveraccomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turqone on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling onand

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-22 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Re I also happen to love the smell of frankincense:
 

 The reign of Antichrist is near! 
 

 Frankincense - a traditional staple of the Christmas story - faces an 
uncertain future, according to researchers. Ecologists have warned that the 
production of the fragrant resin could decline by half over the next 15 years. 
The festive fragrance is produced by tapping the gum of trees in the Boswellia 
genus.The forests that remain are declining because the old individuals are 
dying continuously, and there there no new individuals coming into the system. 
That means that the forests are running out of trees. In places like Oman and 
Yemen, it is being cut down systematically. Now, in Ethiopia, it is being cut 
down as land is being turned over to agriculture. 
 

 If the Second Coming, er, comes, maybe Jesus will accept a gift card from 
Walmart as an alternative?

 http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-16270759 
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-16270759

 


 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a 
more balanced atheist.:
 

 This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.
 One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is 
that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? 
Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed 
it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images 
of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current 
societal changes. 
 To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of 
religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or 
adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about 
sweet reason and nuanced reflection.
 

 Nice one. I too can view religion with a bit of an outsider's objectivity and 
don't particularly condemn those who embrace some form of it nor do I run out 
myself to Sunday mass or Buddhist prayer. There is a lot of aesthetic tradition 
in some of the older religions. There is a great deal of beauty in the 
structures erected in the name of glorifying God. The artwork alone is worth 
much of the counterproductive aspects of religion. It can not quite equal the 
murder and mayhem done in the name of religion throughout the ages but there is 
also the other 'up' side. The up side being anyone who takes the time and the 
trouble to seek a little deeper and learn a little more beyond what they can 
measure with a ruler or scale or see and hear and touch can be transported into 
mysteries worth investigating. I also happen to love the smell of frankincense 
and watching ritual and listening to Evensong in the candlelit mustiness of old 
churches.
 

 Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs







[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists 
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/
 October 9, 2013
 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/
 http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/

 
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg

 

 As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that 
are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us 
rolling our eyes.  This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for 
the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going 
to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments.  Maybe that’s okay with 
them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the 
following statements actually are.
 

 It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually 
agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or 
see themselves type.
 

 And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely 
from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why.
 

 10. I’ll pray for you…  This is totally and completely useless.  If you really 
feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, 
but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the 
atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments.  It’s essentially “I’m 
still right, so there!”  It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere.  We 
don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to  be able to defend your beliefs. 
Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that.
 

 9.  The Bible says…  We don’t care what the Bible says.  In fact, we probably 
know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other 
religious texts as well.  Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the 
courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. 
 We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know 
why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your 
religion.  We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can 
almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy.  Don’t pretend 
we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are.
 

 8.  This website says…  This is probably even worse than the previous 
statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in 
all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If 
the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube 
video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t 
understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it.  I don’t 
care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m 
debating you.  Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying 
because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it.
 

 7.  You can’t prove God doesn’t exist…  No I can’t, it’s not my job to do so.  
It’s yours.  You’re the one claiming that God is real, it rests solely on your 
shoulders to prove it.  After all, you can’t prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, 
does that mean that the Hindus are right and Krishna does?  You can’t prove 
that unicorns exist, does that make them real?  The burden of proof is always 
on the individual who makes the positive claim.  Most atheists do not claim God 
does not exist, they just reject your claim that he does based on lack of 
corroboratory evidence.
 

 6. You really believe in God, but…  Theists make this statement to make 
themselves feel better, it has no critical validity.  It is a form of the 
argument from ignorance, where a statement is made, not because there’s 
evidence that it’s so, but because the individual can’t come up with a better 
argument.  You don’t want to believe that there are people out there who really 
reject your deity, thus you imagine that nobody actually does, they’re all 
lying.  That’s just not the case.
 

 5.  I know God 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 








Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
   
    My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A good question Share. 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...






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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction 
of his delusions? I don't. Barry  is one sick monkey.

 

The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know 
what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open 
forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read 
what I write.  
 I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying 
so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social 
interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite 
being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful 
for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and 
love. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 


 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop.  :-)
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given 
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough 
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite 
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the 
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. 

But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, evidently you do have a different take on it. 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop.  :-)
 


 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given 
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough 
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite 
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the 
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. 

 

 But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)

 

 I don't know either, you just got me thinking about last weekend when I was 
sitting on a bench by the sea in a T-shirt thinking how nice it was in the sun. 
And I've just seen the weather for this weekend and it's the same! Got a nice 
day out planned too. 
 

 Normally I'm stocking up on mince pies about now but it's still cream tea 
weather! This global warming may be ultimately bad news but it helps your 
coffee stay warmer for longer.  Stop and smell the roses that's what I say.
 

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 



 













Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Beautiful Sal, 

 I've tried to read your postings of late, but they've been so dadgummed 
boring, I can't get past the first sentence.
 

 But, thanks for your concern about home life.
 

 Going pretty well.
 

 Same goes for the business side of things.
 

 I have noticed that you seem to regularly slink off to the pub.
 

 I guess for some solice.
 

 Birds of a feather, I suppose.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I guess I missed something here, and it is a bit telling I think. 

 This thing about a good tease.
 

 I suppose you are in denial about how a good tease leads to abuse in many 
cases.
 

 And sorry to say, that is akin to what we see in many of Barry's comments.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop.  :-)
 


 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely enough, given 
what I read about weather in other parts of the world), it's still warm enough 
that I am comfortable here on the outdoor terrace of one of my favorite 
pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of weather is simply unheard-of in the 
Netherlands, so I'm far from the only person here. 

 

 But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 



 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he 
resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small 
minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction 
of his delusions? I don't. Barry  is one sick monkey.

 

The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know 
what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open 
forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read 
what I write.  
 I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying 
so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social 
interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite 
being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful 
for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and 
love. 
 

 Beautiful and insightful answer Fleet. You are one reason I stick around. You 
are smart, interesting, can engage in a conversation without getting defensive, 
rude or lose the thread. You have a brilliant sense of humour and you say it 
like it is. No one pushes you around yet you are willing, in a moment, to 
engage peacefully with someone who, a post before, you might have had words 
with. In a word, you seem very, very balanced and I like it. This idea of 
showing bawee compassion when he spends every single post mocking and lying 
about others is like saying let the rabid dog run loose and continue to bite 
people because the poor thing is sick and can't help itself. You aren't doing 
that dog any favors and you certainly aren't showing any sense of 
self-preservation when that dog continues to slobber and rip your face off. 
bawee may be troubled but no amount of allowing him to abuse others here is 
gonna fix him.
 

 
 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, I agree, Ann - There are a lot of people here I enjoy engaging with, and 
sharing thoughts. To have to shout over the din occasionally, to prevent Barry 
from pissing on the floor again, is par for the course. Bottoms up!!
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Do you consider it compassionate, to encourage him passively, in the direction 
of his delusions? I don't. Barry  is one sick monkey.

 

The most compassionate thing I can do for Barry, is be myself. I don't know 
what me showing him compassion, looks like to you, Share. This IS an open 
forum, where we choose to read what we want to. He is easily able to not read 
what I write.  
 I find him borderline crazy, and socially maladjusted, and I don't mind saying 
so. Barry is not asking for pity, nor showing any sort of normal social 
interaction here, and I happily share my reaction to that. He is an infinite 
being, as am I, and a few well chosen words in his direction are very helpful 
for him, imo. Consider me his long absent voices, of reason, conscience, and 
love. 
 

 Beautiful and insightful answer Fleet. You are one reason I stick around. You 
are smart, interesting, can engage in a conversation without getting defensive, 
rude or lose the thread. You have a brilliant sense of humour and you say it 
like it is. No one pushes you around yet you are willing, in a moment, to 
engage peacefully with someone who, a post before, you might have had words 
with. In a word, you seem very, very balanced and I like it. This idea of 
showing bawee compassion when he spends every single post mocking and lying 
about others is like saying let the rabid dog run loose and continue to bite 
people because the poor thing is sick and can't help itself. You aren't doing 
that dog any favors and you certainly aren't showing any sense of 
self-preservation when that dog continues to slobber and rip your face off. 
bawee may be troubled but no amount of allowing him to abuse others here is 
gonna fix him.
 

 
 












 



Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I have become convinced that Steve is just one of Willy Tex's many identities.

  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working? 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? 
 

 No I don't, I get endless crap from people on here but it doesn't even 
remotely bother me. Why would it? It's just someone's opinion and generally 
that of people who have indicated they'd rather just not think about things. 
Seems like poor quality behaviour on a discussion group but what can we do? I'm 
ever the optimist and enjoy the fact that most posts aren't worth opening as it 
means I don't feel I have to respond. You don't either.
 

 Perhaps he resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him 
sadistic, small minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 Are you saying that you get on with everyone and that they all have a glowing 
opinion of your attributes?
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 

 Six of one and half a dozen of the other. 
 

 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 


 
















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Or vice versa.

:-)
  From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:35 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    I have become convinced that Steve is just one of Willy Tex's many 
identities.

 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








  

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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without 
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.

  From: fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air 
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't 
working?
Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's boorish 
and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he resembles 
people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small minded, and 
kind of creepy. 
He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...








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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No cycle, here at all, Share. I am not attacking Barry, either. I am stating 
the truth about him. If it appears as an attack, he has only himself to blame.  

 I share a lot more than my observations about Barry, on here, too, as you well 
know. I have a full life, and as I said to Ann, if I have to raise my voice 
sometimes, to prevent Barry from peeing on the floor, that is the cost of the 
discourse I enjoy here. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without 
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air 
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't 
working?
 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he 
resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small 
minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 

















 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread nablusoss1008

 Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy 
looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about 
posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover 
the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not 
realizing how easy he is to read.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 No cycle, here at all, Share. I am not attacking Barry, either. I am stating 
the truth about him. If it appears as an attack, he has only himself to blame.  

 I share a lot more than my observations about Barry, on here, too, as you well 
know. I have a full life, and as I said to Ann, if I have to raise my voice 
sometimes, to prevent Barry from peeing on the floor, that is the cost of the 
discourse I enjoy here. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 But Fleetwood, imo it's possible to support the person being attacked without 
also attacking the attacker. Attacking the attacker just keeps that cycle going.
 

 
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air 
but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't 
working?
 

 Somewhat disingenuous, don't you think, hanging the reaction to Barry's 
boorish and insulting behavior, on the sensitivity of meditators? Perhaps he 
resembles people you know, and hence no big deal. I find him sadistic, small 
minded, and kind of creepy. 
 

 He gets exactly what he wants on here. As Edg put so succinctly, Barry is 
trolling so that others can expose his brokenness. Why that should be a source 
of amusement to anybody, is beyond me. 
 

 I also watch him go after people I like on this forum, viciously and 
disrespectfully, who have done nothing more than offer an opinion, counter to 
that of his. A real shit, in my book. Anyone who finds this behavior witty, 
inventive, enlightened, or clever, needs another look in the mirror. 
 


 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 
 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy 
looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about 
posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover 
the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not 
realizing how easy he is to read.
 

 Prediction: any time now bawee is going to come out with his usual post giving 
a head count for how many people have been posting about him in the last 24 
hours. Then he's going to continue to play his wounded bear act for those who 
believe such things. For the rest of us we'll just keep interacting with him in 
a way to show we have some self respect.

 










 

















 


 


















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep. We are yawning in anticipation.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote :

 
 Fleetwoods observation of the Turq as a smallminded, sadistic and creepy 
looser is easy to applaud. The fact that the Turq is continously lying about 
posters here year after year points to this fact. He seems desperate to cover 
the fact that he is failure in any spiritual practise he started and not 
realizing how easy he is to read.
 

 Prediction: any time now bawee is going to come out with his usual post giving 
a head count for how many people have been posting about him in the last 24 
hours. Then he's going to continue to play his wounded bear act for those who 
believe such things. For the rest of us we'll just keep interacting with him in 
a way to show we have some self respect.

 










 

















 


 




















Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins. 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 














 


 












[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.
 One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is 
that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? 
Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed 
it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images 
of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current 
societal changes. 
 To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of 
religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or 
adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about 
sweet reason and nuanced reflection.
 Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs

 

 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists 
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/
 October 9, 2013
 by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/
 http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/

 
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg

 

 As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd things that 
are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or discussion that leave us 
rolling our eyes.  This really isn’t intended so much for the atheist, but for 
the theist, who really needs to understand that none of these things are going 
to convince anyone of the validity of their arguments.  Maybe that’s okay with 
them, but maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the 
following statements actually are.
 

 It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a mutually 
agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear themselves talk or 
see themselves type.
 

 And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see routinely 
from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why.
 

 10. I’ll pray for you…  This is totally and completely useless.  If you really 
feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose it’s your time to waste, 
but this statement really comes off as a final flip of the finger to the 
atheist when the theist has run out of other arguments.  It’s essentially “I’m 
still right, so there!”  It appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere.  We 
don’t want you to pray for us, we want you to  be able to defend your beliefs. 
Maybe you should spend more time worrying about that.
 

 9.  The Bible says…  We don’t care what the Bible says.  In fact, we probably 
know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, but many other 
religious texts as well.  Often, that’s why we’re atheists, because we had the 
courage and commitment to read the Bible and think about what it actually says. 
 We don’t limit our knowledge to the words on the page though, we often know 
why it’s there, where it came from and how it came to be accepted by your 
religion.  We’ve engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can 
almost certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy.  Don’t pretend 
we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are.
 

 8.  This website says…  This is probably even worse than the previous 
statement because not only does it show that you think we’re not well-versed in 
all of the standard apologetic arguments, it demonstrate that you are not. If 
the best you can do is grab a claim off some apologist’s website or YouTube 
video, there’s really no point in talking to you because clearly, you don’t 
understand the argument well enough to present your own take on it.  I don’t 
care what William Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m 
debating you.  Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying 
because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a 
more balanced atheist.:
 

 This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.
 One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is 
that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? 
Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed 
it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images 
of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current 
societal changes. 
 To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of 
religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or 
adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about 
sweet reason and nuanced reflection.
 Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs



[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a 
more balanced atheist.:
 

 This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.
 One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is 
that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? 
Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed 
it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images 
of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current 
societal changes. 
 To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of 
religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or 
adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about 
sweet reason and nuanced reflection.
 

 Nice one. I too can view religion with a bit of an outsider's objectivity and 
don't particularly condemn those who embrace some form of it nor do I run out 
myself to Sunday mass or Buddhist prayer. There is a lot of aesthetic tradition 
in some of the older religions. There is a great deal of beauty in the 
structures erected in the name of glorifying God. The artwork alone is worth 
much of the counterproductive aspects of religion. It can not quite equal the 
murder and mayhem done in the name of religion throughout the ages but there is 
also the other 'up' side. The up side being anyone who takes the time and the 
trouble to seek a little deeper and learn a little more beyond what they can 
measure with a ruler or scale or see and hear and touch can be transported into 
mysteries worth investigating. I also happen to love the smell of frankincense 
and watching ritual and listening to Evensong in the candlelit mustiness of old 
churches.
 

 Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs





[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yep, here in the US, we call it, baggage.I had considerable involvement 
with my church - Episcopalian, or bastardized Church of England, aka  
bastardized Catholicism - Spent a year as an altar boy, at 13, but eventually 
would literally lose consciousness, in the robes, high humidity, and hundred 
degree heat of The Philippines - I was a little kid. I also recall the priest 
admonishing me, for bowing too deeply, during the procession of the 
cross...note to self...  
 

 Anyway, got the picture, by the time I was 14, and pursued exclusively 
non-denominational, spiritual discovery, from that point on. I even recall 
tossing a priest's cross and vestments, into the Pacific ocean, someplace 
between Hawaii and the mainland (US) a few years later. Nothing personal, it 
was a long crossing, originally from Japan, and I was a bored, and stupid 
teenager, or is stupid teenager redundant? Suffice to say, I was disenchanted 
with organized religion, a long time ago. 
 

 My take on God, is that there are two aspects to God. One is the flashy 
aspect, apparent as what Maharishi called GC, described as perception of the 
finest relative. Saints, Goddesses, Gods, Angels, and the whole spectrum of 
subtle life - physical life, molecular life, emotional life, atomic life, 
subatomic life, and celestial life, too. Beings, and perceptions of reality, 
that comprise a more comprehensive set of abilities, than we are commonly 
exposed to, and always available (though as Bhairitu mentioned, distracting, if 
we maintain our attention there - lots of knowledge, when we need it, but 
little practical value to the householder, as a constant endeavor).
 

 Then there is the non-flashy aspect of God, the Grand Mechanic, the Being that 
keeps my heart beating, my molecules arranged in an orderly fashion, a perfect 
balance, in order to grant me life, the universe, and ALL that implies. This 
orderliness, then extends outwards, from the individually apprehended, pure 
awareness,  ever-present, into all aspects of life, such that God takes over 
nearly completely. Life becomes as someone said, the next obvious thing. 
Meeting the next obvious thing head on, means being able to create and respond 
to, any situation, at all, complete freedom. So, the net result is a lack of 
worry and concern, beyond a reasonable point; Mother is at home. 
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, s3raphita@... wrote :

 Re But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a 
more balanced atheist.:
 

 This Cephus is just setting up a straw man; then knocking him down and 
feeling pleased with himself. Just take a look at Richard Dawkins debating with 
the (former) Archbishop of Canterbury at Oxford University. You may or may not 
think that Dawkins has the better of Rowan Williams but Williams is clearly 
*not* stupid and doesn't employ any of the ten statements that Cephus 
castigates.
 One issue that strikes me about the difference between Barry and myself is 
that he's American; I'm English. And what kind of difference would that be? 
Well, in the USA, religion (including fundamentalist versions) is big - indeed 
it's big business. In the UK, religion is now marginal. It conjures up images 
of well-meaning but ineffectual Anglican vicars with little input into current 
societal changes. 
 To me religion is harmless - rather sweet perhaps. To Barry the mention of 
religion triggers memories of some unresolved trauma from his childhood or 
adolescence. To Barry it's all about visceral emotion; to me it's all about 
sweet reason and nuanced reflection.
 Here's Dawkins/Williams in civilized debate . . .
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bq2f5TA2nCs







Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Nice Share.  I'll take that under advisement.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 


 











Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Sorry, Steve, my too brief comment was only referring to salyavin, saying he 
was probably right that Barry is probably chuckling to himself... I thanked 
him for his perspective because it means that I don't have to be concerned 
about turq. Also I took it for myself when salyavin made the comment about 
lines on air meaning I shouldn't be so sensitive about it all. Also I took it 
for myself when he made the comment about gainsaying people here on FFL. I 
think you put a lot of thought into your posts. From this incident, I'd say I 
could learn something from you in that regard. I hope you accept my apologies.
  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Nice Share.  I'll take that under advisement.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 
  From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking 
about the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for 
what was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...










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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Oh, thanks Share.   

 I tried to get over it, but couldn't.
 

 Frail me. (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Sorry, Steve, my too brief comment was only referring to salyavin, saying he 
was probably right that Barry is probably chuckling to himself... I thanked 
him for his perspective because it means that I don't have to be concerned 
about turq. Also I took it for myself when salyavin made the comment about 
lines on air meaning I shouldn't be so sensitive about it all. Also I took it 
for myself when he made the comment about gainsaying people here on FFL. I 
think you put a lot of thought into your posts. From this incident, I'd say I 
could learn something from you in that regard. I hope you accept my apologies.

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Nice Share.  I'll take that under advisement.

 


 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 thanks, salyavin, you're probably right. 

 From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 
 

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is probably 
chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well enough to know he 
loves a good tease! 
 

 Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on air but 
for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that it isn't working?
 

 Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to think about 
what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and needs to escape to a 
world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just speculating because if my 
time here is ever reduced to simply gainsaying other people I'd realise it 
wasn't working and be off to the beach!
 

 
 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 













 














 


 














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Thanks Share. 

 I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
 

 You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some 
of which we've been a part of.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 
   My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life. 

 I don't think I'd discount that possibility.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believers here 
is that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believers all the 
time (not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake, etc.) they should 
get a taste of their own medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider 
many God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) 
 

 But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him 
down than I have. Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...
 

 

 







 














 














 














 


 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/21/2014 6:46 AM, steve.sundur wrote:



or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.



/The Last Incarnation f Lord Vishnu killed himself. Something was 
seriously broken in his life./




I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*


  10 Stupid Things Theists Say to Atheists
  
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/2013/10/09/10-stupid-things-theists-say-atheists/

October 9, 2013
by Cephus http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/

http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/author/admin/
Say Something Stupid 
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Say-Something-Stupid.jpg


As atheists, we see this kind of thing all the time, really absurd 
things that are said to us by theists in the midst of a debate or 
discussion that leave us rolling our eyes.  This really isn’t intended 
so much for the atheist, but for the theist, who really needs to 
understand that none of these things are going to convince anyone of 
the validity of their arguments.  Maybe that’s okay with them, but 
maybe, just maybe, they never realized just how pointless any of the 
following statements actually are.


It leaves me wondering if theists are really debating to come to a 
mutually agreeable conclusion, or if they’re just “debating” to hear 
themselves talk or see themselves type.


And so, in no particular order, these are ten statements that I see 
routinely from theists that are simply not helping your case, and why.


10. /*I’ll pray for you…* / This is totally and completely useless. 
 If you really feel the need to talk to yourself about us, I suppose 
it’s your time to waste, but this statement really comes off as a 
final flip of the finger to the atheist when the theist has run out of 
other arguments.  It’s essentially “I’m still right, so there!”  It 
appears to be childish, even if it’s sincere.  We don’t want you to 
pray for us, we want you to  be able to defend your beliefs. Maybe you 
should spend more time worrying about that.


9. /*The Bible says… * /We don’t care what the Bible says.  In fact, 
we probably know the Bible better than you do and not only the Bible, 
but many other religious texts as well.  Often, that’s why we’re 
atheists, because we had the courage and commitment to read the Bible 
and think about what it actually says.  We don’t limit our knowledge 
to the words on the page though, we often know why it’s there, where 
it came from and how it came to be accepted by your religion.  We’ve 
engaged in higher criticism of your religious text and can almost 
certainly show how and why your book isn’t trustworthy.  Don’t pretend 
we’re not well-versed in what your book says, we are.


8. /*This website says… * /This is probably even worse than the 
previous statement because not only does it show that you think we’re 
not well-versed in all of the standard apologetic arguments, it 
demonstrate that you are not. If the best you can do is grab a claim 
off some apologist’s website or YouTube video, there’s really no point 
in talking to you because clearly, you don’t understand the argument 
well enough to present your own take on it.  I don’t care what William 
Lane Craig says, I’m not debating William Lane Craig, I’m debating 
you.  Make your own arguments and understand what you’re saying 
because I absolutely will attack the argument and expect you to defend it.


7. /*You can’t prove God doesn’t exist… * /No I can’t, it’s not my job 
to do so.  It’s yours.  You’re the one claiming that God is real, it 
rests solely on your shoulders to prove it.  After all, you can’t 
prove that Krishna doesn’t exist, does that mean that the Hindus are 
right and Krishna does?  You can’t prove that unicorns exist, does 
that make them real?  The burden of proof is always on the individual 
who makes the positive claim.  Most atheists do not claim God does not 
exist, they just reject your claim that he does based on lack of 
corroboratory evidence.


6. /*You really believe in God, but… * /Theists make this statement to 
make themselves feel better, it has no critical validity.  It is a 
form of the argument from ignorance, where a statement is made, not 
because there’s evidence that it’s so, but because the individual 
can’t come up with a better argument.  You don’t 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    Thanks Share.
I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of 
which we've been a part of.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
Pretty much as simple as that.
That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 

  From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have...
 
 My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph below.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.
I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Oneof the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about God-believershere is 
that I figure after centuries of them putting down non-believersall the time 
(not to mention killing them, burning them at the stake,etc.) they should get a 
taste of their own medicine. That, and the factthat I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as Isay they are. :-) 
Butevery so often, it's probably good to present the point of view of a more 
balancedatheist who has more compassion for the idiots trying to shout him down 
than I have.Consider this my contribution to FFL in this respect...












  #yiv9726332710

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/21/2014 7:09 AM, Share Long wrote:

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.


/Apparently you just don't understand Barry - this is what he wants; all 
the attention. If nobody responded to his messages, he would probably 
get even more depressed.


He probably gets a good laugh seeing everyone piling on - that's how he 
thinks he is winning - it's all about winning, Share. //We just want to 
make Barry happy./


/Besides, he doesn't read our posts anyway, remember?/




*From:* steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


A good question Share.

Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, 
and a time to address BS head on.


I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, 
and feel compelled to address them.


Pretty much as simple as that.

That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self 
awareness in that regard.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show 
some compassion?



*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph 
below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.

I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies.  one of our 
customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and other 
lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things).  We also do 
business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of 
supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on 
standby. 

 I don't think my son's incident was related.  As I've mentioned before, our 
business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his 
apt), so he probably had some coins visible.  
 

 I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked!
 

 A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly.  He says he never 
locks his car for that very reason.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Thanks Share.
 

 I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
 

 You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some 
of which we've been a part of.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   A good question Share.
 

 Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
 

 I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, and feel 
compelled to address them.
 

 Pretty much as simple as that.
 

 That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self awareness in 
that regard.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show some 
compassion? 
 

 From: fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for 
theists than I have

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:



It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at 
the same joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that 
joke. Think about it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, 
but you haven't got it yet.




/For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for 
the past ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry.


The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - 
that's his game.


Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says//- he's never accomplished 
a damn thing, so far as I can tell./



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.
 From: 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
  
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.
  
 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :
 
   Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Steve, I never thought of it that way, but can see how it would make sense to 
leave the car unlocked. It sounds like you all are right in the middle of it, 
at least from one perspective. I can't imagine how it must feel there. Find 
myself wondering if the holidays and colder weather will change the situation 
significantly. Wondering too if people are struggling financially, always 
harder at this time of year.

  From: steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
   
    part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies.  one of 
our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and 
other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things).  We also do 
business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of 
supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on 
standby.
I don't think my son's incident was related.  As I've mentioned before, our 
business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his 
apt), so he probably had some coins visible.  
I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked!
A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly.  He says he never 
locks his car for that very reason.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Thanks Share.
I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some of 
which we've been a part of.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of stress.
But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.

  From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 A good question Share.
Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, and a 
time to address BS head on.
I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.


On 11/21/2014 7:21 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is 
probably chuckling to himself over his cappucino. I kn ow him well 
enough to know he loves a good tease!


/You just wasted a chance to post a critical comment about Barry's 
claims of witnessing human levitation. So you and Barry have both been 
discredited - all that talk about science was just bullshit - you two 
are in fact, the True Believer//s. Go figure./


Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on 
air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that 
it isn't working?


/Non sequitur./

Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to 
think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and 
needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just 
speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply 
gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to 
the beach!


/Non sequitur./





*From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


A good question Share.

Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, 
and a time to address BS head on.


I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, 
and feel compelled to address them.


Pretty much as simple as that.

That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self 
awareness in that regard.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show 
some compassion?



*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph 
below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.

I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]
On 11/21/2014 8:13 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:

*From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really 
don't like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something 
about that seems very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.


Don't worry about it Share, it's their time they waste and Barry is 
probably chuckling to himself over his cappuccino. I know him well 
enough to know he loves a good tease!


*/Busted. And worse, it's a fair cop. :-)/*

Besides, after all this meditating people are supposed to be line on 
air but for some reason they get real sensitive. Is this proof that 
it isn't working?


Steve has lost the plot completely recently and makes no effort to 
think about what he writes, maybe he's having trouble at home and 
needs to escape to a world where he can dump on someone else? I'm just 
speculating because if my time here is ever reduced to simply 
gainsaying other people I'd realise it wasn't working and be off to 
the beach!


*/It's still a bit frosty here for beach weather, but (strangely 
enough, given what I read about weather in other parts of the world), 
it's still warm enough that I am comfortable here on the outdoor 
terrace of one of my favorite pubs...and in mid-November. This kind of 
weather is simply unheard-of in the Netherlands, so I'm far from the 
only person here.

/*
*/
/*
*/But I've probably lost the thread...what were we talking about?  :-)/*


/We were talking about you not being able to get a date on Saturday 
night and why you're sending messages to us, instead of having a fun 
social life at your favorite pub. /





*From:* steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 7:05 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


A good question Share.

Here's the short answer.  There is a time for compassion to be shown, 
and a time to address BS head on.


I am bothered by the continual mis-perceptions Barry throws out here, 
and feel compelled to address them.


Pretty much as simple as that.

That, and the fact that I think he is mean person, with no self 
awareness in that regard.





---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

Steve and Fleetwood, if you really think this way, then why not show 
some compassion?



*From:* fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com

*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Friday, November 21, 2014 6:52 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more 
patience for theists than I have...


My conclusion too, Steve. He sounds very disturbed, in the paragraph 
below.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

or possibly that something is seriously broken in your life.

I don't think I'd discount that possibility.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

*/One of the reasons I speak in such a derogatory way about 
God-believers here is that I figure after centuries of them putting 
down non-believers all the time (not to mention killing them, burning 
them at the stake, etc.) they should get a taste of their own 
medicine. That, and the fact that I really DO consider many 
God-believers pretty much as stupid as I say they are. :-) /*

*/
/*
*/But every so often, it's probably good to present the point of view 
of a more balanced atheist who has more compassion for the idiots 
trying to shout him down than I have. Consider this my contribution to 
FFL in this respect.../*

*/
/*














Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I mean, you'd like to think that you don't have to work so hard to keep your 
belongings safe, but it's such a hassle and expense to replace car glass. 

 Kinda like that ebola thing, I am vigilant not to get caught up in all the 
hype about the announcement.
 

 I am glad though, that the weather has turned decidedly cooler, and that the 
holiday is approaching.
 

 What has become worrisome, is not so much what might happen in Ferguson, but 
rather the increase in random violence in the form of shootings.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I never thought of it that way, but can see how it would make sense to 
leave the car unlocked. It sounds like you all are right in the middle of it, 
at least from one perspective. I can't imagine how it must feel there. Find 
myself wondering if the holidays and colder weather will change the situation 
significantly. Wondering too if people are struggling financially, always 
harder at this time of year.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   part of our business is selling industrial and hardware supplies.  one of 
our customers took delivery today of two tractor trailer loads of plywood and 
other lumber, (not through us, although we sold them other things).  We also do 
business with one of the police departments, who had rush orders today of 
supplies pertaining to possible contingencies, and we have been told to be on 
standby.
 

 I don't think my son's incident was related.  As I've mentioned before, our 
business is located next to many service organizations, (where my son has his 
apt), so he probably had some coins visible.  
 

 I told him to be more careful, or just leave the danged car unlocked!
 

 A policeman lives behind us, and we talk to him regularly.  He says he never 
locks his car for that very reason.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I've seen some headlines about it but haven't read the articles. 
Something about the policeman maybe resigning. Is there still a lot of unrest 
going on? How have you all been involved? Do you think that the incident with 
your son's car was part of some spillover from Ferguson?

 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:14 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Thanks Share.
 

 I feel remarkably refreshed, coming off a busy week.
 

 You might be shocked at some of the preparations going on for Ferguson, some 
of which we've been a part of.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, actually I wasn't thinking about you when I made my initial comment 
about unhealthy ganging up. But I was rushing and again replied too briefly 
when I responded to your comment about being pretty healthy. It sounds like you 
have a rich and real human life which I think often enriches us here on FFL. 
Hope you and your wife had a lovely time this evening.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 5:22 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, I have plenty of issues.  Just a few minutes ago I was thinking about 
the person who smashed the window in my son's car a couple days ago,  for what 
was probably less than a dollar worth of coins.
 

 I think if I had caught that person in the act, I would have gotten quite 
violent with him.
 

 So, it made me wonder how much built up anger I have in me.
 

 I know my job is quite demanding, and this also can cause of build up of 
stress.
 

 But I try to keep all that front and center and deal with it in an intelligent 
way.
 

 Like right now, I plan on taking an afternoon meditation, and this evening go 
out to dinner with my wife.
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Steve, I'm glad you're feeling pretty healthy.
 

 From: steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 8:21 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   Share, evidently you do have a different take on it.
 

 I'm looking at my experiences day in and day out, and I'm feeling pretty 
healthy.
 

 What you may see as ganging up, may be for other people, just sort of laughing 
at how ridiculous someone else can be.
 

 At this point, I'm not sure how serious anyone can take Barry.  
 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience for theists than I have...

2014-11-21 Thread salyavin808

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sharelong60@... wrote :

 Richard, I'm really sorry that turq has been so mean to you, and for so many 
years. You seem like a really nice person to me so I don't understand his 
behavior at all. But I'm very glad you're still here.
 

 I think it's more relevant to try and explain Willytex's behaviour and why 
he's irritating enough to drive people to distraction. Just try simply not 
having an opinion the same as his and you'll get endless tedious trolling, and 
I mean endless. I can't believe you haven't noticed it. If it wasn't for the 
ability to scan posts without opening them there wouldn't be anyone here 
because he's like a little dog snapping at your heels. On and on and on. I 
suspect that's his plan, a sort of attempt at denial of service.
 

 If you ever do try and engage him on his opinions all you get is some well 
practised non-committal slogans and a few irrelevant links to wikipedia that he 
either doesn't understand himself or can't be bothered to think about it.  
After two post he goes straight back to abuse. Years and years and years he's 
been doing it, what he gets out of logging on here everyday is anyone's guess. 
He says he's proud of his internet legacy, but why take part in a discussion 
board if you aren't going to discuss anything? I think he just likes spreading 
shit around. This is why nobody bothers talking to him. Go figure.
 

 Same with Steve, he replied to a post of mine yesterday saying that it looked 
boring and he wasn't going to read it! What the fuck? Tell me Share, is there a 
point to it that you can see? I'm at a loss. If I see something that doesn't 
interest me I just skip to the next one, why make a point about it. Every time. 
Every day.
 

 Barry, on the other hand brings a lot to the place and isn't just a one trick 
pony with nothing to say. You may not agree with what he says but it is a 
discussion board and not a facebook page, we all have the choice to respond and 
alternatives with how we spend out time if we'd rather not.
 

 It actually fascinates me that we all come back day after day. 
 

 Ugh, the rain has begun. Supposedly will turn to ice overnight. So glad I've 
got brand new tires.

 From: 'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife] 
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article by someone with more patience 
for theists than I have...
 
 
   
 On 11/21/2014 7:14 AM, fleetwood_macncheese wrote:
 
 
 It really isn't ganging up, Share, anymore than everyone laughing at the same 
joke at a comedy club, is ganging up, on the subject of that joke. Think about 
it. Yes, there is something that bothers you here, but you haven't got it yet.

 
 For the record, this is payback for all the shit he has given me for the past 
ten years. The tables are turned now, his turn to cry. 
 
 The guy has been a shit-heel as long as I've been around the internet - that's 
his game. 
 
 Frankly, I don't care what he thinks or says - he's never accomplished a damn 
thing, so far as I can tell.
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
sharelong60@... mailto:sharelong60@... wrote :
 
 Steve, I don't mind when people confront turq one on one. But I really don't 
like it when the piling on and ganging up happens. Something about that seems 
very unhealthy to me, mainly for the people doing it.



 

 


 











[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-29 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
A rough game last night - Giants were off kilter, and the Royals handed their 
butts to them, esp in the 2nd inning - ouchie. I stopped watching around the 
8th. Should be a great game tonight, and may the best team win! I saw Tim 
warming up - did he ever make the field? Glad he grew his hair back. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 

 The Cardinal's have had good GM's like evidently this guy is a good GM.
 

 That's a great story about Tim.
 

 It looks like he might be coming into the game shortly.  
 

 Can you believe the KC pitcher just walked three consecutive batter. 
 

 Talk about stopiiid!
 

 Hey, they just got out of it.
 

 Whew!!
 

 

 

Brian Sabean, in Front Office, Is a Giant Among Giants 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 Brian Sabean, in Front Office, Is a Giant Among Giants 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 With more faith in metrics than he is usually given credit for and an ability 
to delegate, Sabean, in his job since 1996, helped San Francisco reinvent 
itself as...


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yeah, Bruce Bochy is the guy that glues all those exceptional misfits, 
together. Seems to be working.  There was even a meme around Tim Lincecum's 
propensity for weed, a few years ago - The story goes that after he was cited 
for possession, the Giants mgmt. wanted to censure him, but the fans started a 
Let Timmy Smoke campaign, mgmt. dropped it, and the Giants went on to win the 
Series that year (2010).
 

 https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Jim, in all seriousness, people here have never gotten over the Don Dekinger 
call that cost the Cardinals the World Series back in 1985, when they played 
KC.  

 So, yes, we were looking forward to a Missouri World Series for that reason.  
Maybe an opportunity to make up for that error
 

 But, I'm glad that you and John have a team to cheer for.
 

 I am strongly in the Royals camp, although, its not looking too good at this 
point.
 

 There was a good article in the NYT today about the Giant's GM.  I only had 
time to skim it, but hope to check it out later on tonight.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I genuinely feel sorry for him; he eats the same meal, every damned day.  

 In other news, I have been curious if people were talking before the Series, 
about a Missouri World Series? Almost happened. I remember when I was 
carpooling with the other farm hands and construction workers, from the TM 
facility near Waverly, MO, to get our siddhis in Kansas City, we would drive 
Rte. 24 (?) through Independence, with the billboard proclaiming it as Harry 
Truman's birthplace, past the then new Chiefs' and Royals' stadiums, side by 
side, all blue seats for the Royals, and all red seats for the Chiefs, and into 
the big city. It was always quite a change, with hot water, and unlimited 
electricity - lol. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-29 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
No, didn't make it in. Possibly tonight.  Two, two tie right now.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 A rough game last night - Giants were off kilter, and the Royals handed their 
butts to them, esp in the 2nd inning - ouchie. I stopped watching around the 
8th. Should be a great game tonight, and may the best team win! I saw Tim 
warming up - did he ever make the field? Glad he grew his hair back. 
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 

 The Cardinal's have had good GM's like evidently this guy is a good GM.
 

 That's a great story about Tim.
 

 It looks like he might be coming into the game shortly.  
 

 Can you believe the KC pitcher just walked three consecutive batter. 
 

 Talk about stopiiid!
 

 Hey, they just got out of it.
 

 Whew!!
 

 

 

Brian Sabean, in Front Office, Is a Giant Among Giants 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 Brian Sabean, in Front Office, Is a Giant Among Giants 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 With more faith in metrics than he is usually given credit for and an ability 
to delegate, Sabean, in his job since 1996, helped San Francisco reinvent 
itself as...


 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 Preview by Yahoo 
 

  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yeah, Bruce Bochy is the guy that glues all those exceptional misfits, 
together. Seems to be working.  There was even a meme around Tim Lincecum's 
propensity for weed, a few years ago - The story goes that after he was cited 
for possession, the Giants mgmt. wanted to censure him, but the fans started a 
Let Timmy Smoke campaign, mgmt. dropped it, and the Giants went on to win the 
Series that year (2010).
 

 https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Jim, in all seriousness, people here have never gotten over the Don Dekinger 
call that cost the Cardinals the World Series back in 1985, when they played 
KC.  

 So, yes, we were looking forward to a Missouri World Series for that reason.  
Maybe an opportunity to make up for that error
 

 But, I'm glad that you and John have a team to cheer for.
 

 I am strongly in the Royals camp, although, its not looking too good at this 
point.
 

 There was a good article in the NYT today about the Giant's GM.  I only had 
time to skim it, but hope to check it out later on tonight.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I genuinely feel sorry for him; he eats the same meal, every damned day.  

 In other news, I have been curious if people were talking before the Series, 
about a Missouri World Series? Almost happened. I remember when I was 
carpooling with the other farm hands and construction workers, from the TM 
facility near Waverly, MO, to get our siddhis in Kansas City, we would drive 
Rte. 24 (?) through Independence, with the billboard proclaiming it as Harry 
Truman's birthplace, past the then new Chiefs' and Royals' stadiums, side by 
side, all blue seats for the Royals, and all red seats for the Chiefs, and into 
the big city. It was always quite a change, with hot water, and unlimited 
electricity - lol. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-28 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yeah, Bruce Bochy is the guy that glues all those exceptional misfits, 
together. Seems to be working.  There was even a meme around Tim Lincecum's 
propensity for weed, a few years ago - The story goes that after he was cited 
for possession, the Giants mgmt. wanted to censure him, but the fans started a 
Let Timmy Smoke campaign, mgmt. dropped it, and the Giants went on to win the 
Series that year (2010).
 

 https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Jim, in all seriousness, people here have never gotten over the Don Dekinger 
call that cost the Cardinals the World Series back in 1985, when they played 
KC.  

 So, yes, we were looking forward to a Missouri World Series for that reason.  
Maybe an opportunity to make up for that error
 

 But, I'm glad that you and John have a team to cheer for.
 

 I am strongly in the Royals camp, although, its not looking too good at this 
point.
 

 There was a good article in the NYT today about the Giant's GM.  I only had 
time to skim it, but hope to check it out later on tonight.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I genuinely feel sorry for him; he eats the same meal, every damned day.  

 In other news, I have been curious if people were talking before the Series, 
about a Missouri World Series? Almost happened. I remember when I was 
carpooling with the other farm hands and construction workers, from the TM 
facility near Waverly, MO, to get our siddhis in Kansas City, we would drive 
Rte. 24 (?) through Independence, with the billboard proclaiming it as Harry 
Truman's birthplace, past the then new Chiefs' and Royals' stadiums, side by 
side, all blue seats for the Royals, and all red seats for the Chiefs, and into 
the big city. It was always quite a change, with hot water, and unlimited 
electricity - lol. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 

 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 

 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-28 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]


 The Cardinal's have had good GM's like evidently this guy is a good GM.
 

 That's a great story about Tim.
 

 It looks like he might be coming into the game shortly.  
 

 Can you believe the KC pitcher just walked three consecutive batter. 
 

 Talk about stopiiid!
 

 Hey, they just got out of it.
 

 Whew!!
 

 

 

Brian Sabean, in Front Office, Is a Giant Among Giants 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 
 Brian Sabean, in Front Office, Is a Giant Among Giants 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 With more faith in metrics than he is usually given credit for and an ability 
to delegate, Sabean, in his job since 1996, helped San Francisco reinvent 
itself as...
 
 
 
 View on www.nytimes.com 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/sports/baseball/world-series-2014-gm-brian-sabean-is-giants-implacable-leader.html?_r=0
 
 Preview by Yahoo 
 
 
  

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 Yeah, Bruce Bochy is the guy that glues all those exceptional misfits, 
together. Seems to be working.  There was even a meme around Tim Lincecum's 
propensity for weed, a few years ago - The story goes that after he was cited 
for possession, the Giants mgmt. wanted to censure him, but the fans started a 
Let Timmy Smoke campaign, mgmt. dropped it, and the Giants went on to win the 
Series that year (2010).
 

 https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke https://twitter.com/LetTimmySmoke

 

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 Jim, in all seriousness, people here have never gotten over the Don Dekinger 
call that cost the Cardinals the World Series back in 1985, when they played 
KC.  

 So, yes, we were looking forward to a Missouri World Series for that reason.  
Maybe an opportunity to make up for that error
 

 But, I'm glad that you and John have a team to cheer for.
 

 I am strongly in the Royals camp, although, its not looking too good at this 
point.
 

 There was a good article in the NYT today about the Giant's GM.  I only had 
time to skim it, but hope to check it out later on tonight.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I genuinely feel sorry for him; he eats the same meal, every damned day.  

 In other news, I have been curious if people were talking before the Series, 
about a Missouri World Series? Almost happened. I remember when I was 
carpooling with the other farm hands and construction workers, from the TM 
facility near Waverly, MO, to get our siddhis in Kansas City, we would drive 
Rte. 24 (?) through Independence, with the billboard proclaiming it as Harry 
Truman's birthplace, past the then new Chiefs' and Royals' stadiums, side by 
side, all blue seats for the Royals, and all red seats for the Chiefs, and into 
the big city. It was always quite a change, with hot water, and unlimited 
electricity - lol. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 

 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 

 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the issue, 
apologists for religions are 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
  
  
  
  
  
 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists ... 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 Major religions all contain macabre fables, explicit injunctions for vile 
behavior no civilzed person should accept


 
 View on www.salon.com 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 

 







[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New Approach 
for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the dearth of 
other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto would be 
better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are plenty), but he 
could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  Actually, I 
guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 

 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 

 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the issue, 
apologists for religions are 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
  
  
  
  
  
 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists ... 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 Major religions all contain macabre fables, explicit injunctions for vile 
behavior no civilzed person should accept


 
 View on www.salon.com 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 

 









[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I genuinely feel sorry for him; he eats the same meal, every damned day.  

 In other news, I have been curious if people were talking before the Series, 
about a Missouri World Series? Almost happened. I remember when I was 
carpooling with the other farm hands and construction workers, from the TM 
facility near Waverly, MO, to get our siddhis in Kansas City, we would drive 
Rte. 24 (?) through Independence, with the billboard proclaiming it as Harry 
Truman's birthplace, past the then new Chiefs' and Royals' stadiums, side by 
side, all blue seats for the Royals, and all red seats for the Chiefs, and into 
the big city. It was always quite a change, with hot water, and unlimited 
electricity - lol. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 

 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 

 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the issue, 
apologists for religions are 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
  
  
  
  
  
 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists ... 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 Major religions all contain macabre fables, explicit injunctions for vile 
behavior no civilzed person should accept


 
 View on www.salon.com 
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 Preview by Yahoo
 
  

 

 

 












Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]

On 10/27/2014 8:10 AM, steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:


It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it 
hi-lights the dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd 
think this manifesto would be better placed on an atheist site (of 
which I am sure there are plenty), but he could run into a little 
trouble if they check his bona fides.  Actually, I guess that explains 
it.  (-:




/These are obviously just planted messages from Barry in order to get 
angry responses - typical trollish stuff. //

//
//In Barry's case, it's interesting because everyone knows he believes 
in Buddhas, karma and reincarnation. //But, he doesn't want to talk 
about it because it's so confusing. //

//
//We need to keep it real simple for Barry - things are either black or 
white; there are no shades of grey with Barry. He is not very  subtle or 
nuanced.


He probably doesn't even realize that a belief in free-will is opposed 
to a belief in karma. //Maybe he is actually thinking he has complete 
control over his circumstances and that he is not affected by his past 
or present actions.


Maybe Barry got confused when he read about Sam Harris and his Tibetan 
Buddhist teacher. //

//
//Go figure./




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry.

Go for it.

Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.

What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W



---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics 
that is rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand 
for it. The author makes many good points, but among my favorites are 
the following, in which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:


How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever 
who considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens 
likened it to the rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about 
in a city’s sewers, ready to spring forth on us when we have forgotten 
about the pestilence they carry. But we can take action to ensure that 
we do not unwittingly favor religion’s continuation by taking stances, 
both public and private. (I wrote about this previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.) 
Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one 
we can talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, 
in the case of Islam, concern for our physical safety.


This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids 
Congress from establishing an official religion and protects free 
speech – including speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If 
we disbelieve what religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so 
openly, and in mixed company, pointing out that no rational person 
could believe it or accept it as true and valid, were it not for 
indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of reason, fear, or 
simple feeblemindedness.


We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate 
faith. A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a 
witch doctor – all traffic in gullibility, human misery and 
vulnerability, and none can prove the efficacy of their ministrations. 
We must point out the inherent dangerousness of faith itself – of 
believing things to be true without evidence. The British poet Perce 
Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put it bluntly: “God is an 
hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the /onus 
probandi/” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made 
on the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.


Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the 
issue, apologists for religions are 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/



image 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/






Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists ... 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/ 

Major religions all contain macabre fables, explicit injunctions for 
vile behavior no civilzed person should accept


View on www.salon.com 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/


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[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Jim, in all seriousness, people here have never gotten over the Don Dekinger 
call that cost the Cardinals the World Series back in 1985, when they played 
KC.  

 So, yes, we were looking forward to a Missouri World Series for that reason.  
Maybe an opportunity to make up for that error
 

 But, I'm glad that you and John have a team to cheer for.
 

 I am strongly in the Royals camp, although, its not looking too good at this 
point.
 

 There was a good article in the NYT today about the Giant's GM.  I only had 
time to skim it, but hope to check it out later on tonight.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote :

 I genuinely feel sorry for him; he eats the same meal, every damned day.  

 In other news, I have been curious if people were talking before the Series, 
about a Missouri World Series? Almost happened. I remember when I was 
carpooling with the other farm hands and construction workers, from the TM 
facility near Waverly, MO, to get our siddhis in Kansas City, we would drive 
Rte. 24 (?) through Independence, with the billboard proclaiming it as Harry 
Truman's birthplace, past the then new Chiefs' and Royals' stadiums, side by 
side, all blue seats for the Royals, and all red seats for the Chiefs, and into 
the big city. It was always quite a change, with hot water, and unlimited 
electricity - lol. 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 

 Go for it.
 

 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 

 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote :

 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 

 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 

 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the issue, 
apologists for religions are 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/
  
  
  
  
  
 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists ... 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
I guess, he actually refers to himself as a non theist.  I don't think it 
matters much.   

 What is odd, is that people here, on this site, are across the spectrum when 
it comes to believers, with a heavy concentration on the non traditional end.
 

 But never mind that, with Barry, it's all about the rant.
 

 He seems to have a self imposed rant quota every day.
 

 And we all pretty much know the rant by heart, especially the moral of the 
rant 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, punditster@... wrote :

 On 10/27/2014 8:10 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

   It's a funny place for Barry to roll out his new initiative, this New 
Approach for Atheists in Dealing With Believers, but I guess it hi-lights the 
dearth of other places where he has any standing.  You'd think this manifesto 
would be better placed on an atheist site (of which I am sure there are 
plenty), but he could run into a little trouble if they check his bona fides.  
Actually, I guess that explains it.  (-:


 
 These are obviously just planted messages from Barry in order to get angry 
responses - typical trollish stuff. 
 
 In Barry's case, it's interesting because everyone knows he believes in 
Buddhas, karma and reincarnation. But, he doesn't want to talk about it because 
it's so confusing. 
 
 We need to keep it real simple for Barry - things are either black or white; 
there are no shades of grey with Barry. He is not very  subtle or nuanced. 
 
 He probably doesn't even realize that a belief in free-will is opposed to a 
belief in karma. Maybe he is actually thinking he has complete control over his 
circumstances and that he is not affected by his past or present actions. 
 
 Maybe Barry got confused when he read about Sam Harris and his Tibetan 
Buddhist teacher. 
 
 Go figure.
 
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote :
 
 It sounds like you've found a new vocation, Barry. 
 
 Go for it.
 
 
 Put up posters, or something.  Organize some introductory lectures.
 
 
 What do we call it?  The New Atheism, by Barry W
 

 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote :
 
 Intelligent and well-written article about the religious apologetics that is 
rampant these days, and why intelligent people shouldn't stand for it. The 
author makes many good points, but among my favorites are the following, in 
which I've highlighted my favorite section in red:
 

 How are we to rid ourselves of religion? I don’t know a nonbeliever who 
considers it likely that we will. Even Christopher Hitchens likened it to the 
rats of Camus’ “The Plague,” always scurrying about in a city’s sewers, ready 
to spring forth on us when we have forgotten about the pestilence they carry. 
But we can take action to ensure that we do not unwittingly favor religion’s 
continuation by taking stances, both public and private. (I wrote about this 
previously for Salon here 
http://www.salon.com/2014/01/11/15_ways_atheists_can_stand_up_for_rationality/.)
 Nonbelievers need to approach faith as a subject like any other, one we can 
talk about and criticize without fear of causing offense – or, in the case of 
Islam, concern for our physical safety.
 
 
 This is in fact our constitutional right. The First Amendment forbids Congress 
from establishing an official religion and protects free speech – including 
speech that offends the sentiments of believers. If we disbelieve what 
religion’s canon tells us, we need to say so openly, and in mixed company, 
pointing out that no rational person could believe it or accept it as true and 
valid, were it not for indoctrination, immaturity, willful abandonment of 
reason, fear, or simple feeblemindedness.
 
 
 We can also cease displaying knee-jerk respect for those who propagate faith. 
A priest, rabbi, or imam should merit no more deference than a witch doctor – 
all traffic in gullibility, human misery and vulnerability, and none can prove 
the efficacy of their ministrations. We must point out the inherent 
dangerousness of faith itself – of believing things to be true without 
evidence. The British poet Perce Bysshe Shelley, writing two centuries ago, put 
it bluntly: “God is an hypothesis, and, as such, stands in need of proof: the 
onus probandi” – the burden of proof – “rests on the theist.” Claims made on 
the basis of religion should be met by demands for evidence.
 

 Reza Aslan’s atheism problem: “Fundamentalist” atheists aren’t the issue, 
apologists for religions are
 

  
  
 
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/25/reza_aslans_atheism_problem_fundamentalist_atheists_arent_the_issue_apologists_for_religions_are/;
 
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 Reza Aslan’s atheism 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]

 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I guess, he actually refers to himself as a non theist.  I don't think it 
matters much.   

 What is odd, is that people here, on this site, are across the spectrum when 
it comes to believers, with a heavy concentration on the non traditional end.
 

 But never mind that, with Barry, it's all about the rant.
 

 He seems to have a self imposed rant quota every day.
 

 And we all pretty much know the rant by heart, especially the moral of the 
rant 
 

 You got it Steve. I mean, who exactly are the Christians in this group that 
bawee and Salyavin are going on endlessly about? It'l like they're all at a 
children's book convention and they're up on their respective soap boxes 
sermonizing, pontificating at all the authors about the uselessness of reading 
comic books and how stupid comic book readers are. I mean, get a grip, they're 
not even preaching to the right audience. I wonder when they'll catch on. It's 
fun to watch though.
 
 






Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article

2014-10-27 Thread steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
Yea, it is funny.  And Barry's got this talking points thing going on, about 
how atheists, (excuse me, non theists) should go about responding to believers. 

 I think it went on for, like, five paragraphs.
 

 Yikes!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote :

 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote :

 I guess, he actually refers to himself as a non theist.  I don't think it 
matters much.   

 What is odd, is that people here, on this site, are across the spectrum when 
it comes to believers, with a heavy concentration on the non traditional end.
 

 But never mind that, with Barry, it's all about the rant.
 

 He seems to have a self imposed rant quota every day.
 

 And we all pretty much know the rant by heart, especially the moral of the 
rant 
 

 You got it Steve. I mean, who exactly are the Christians in this group that 
bawee and Salyavin are going on endlessly about? It'l like they're all at a 
children's book convention and they're up on their respective soap boxes 
sermonizing, pontificating at all the authors about the uselessness of reading 
comic books and how stupid comic book readers are. I mean, get a grip, they're 
not even preaching to the right audience. I wonder when they'll catch on. It's 
fun to watch though.
 
 










[FairfieldLife] RE: Good article about the best show currently on TV

2014-03-07 Thread authfriend
Based on his past behavior, I'd be willing to bet Barry would pay a whole lot 
of attention to anyone who commented based on reading a review or two. ;-)
 

 I'm just passing along the article for those who are watching the series, and 
will ignore any commentary from those who *aren't*, and who think that they're 
able to comment *anyway*, just because they've read a review or two, or just 
this article. Such people aren't worth paying any attention to.
 





[FairfieldLife] RE: Good article

2014-01-07 Thread jr_esq
It's probably in her jyotish chart which shows that she's better off to live 
outside her birth country.  If she's getting Nature's support now in another 
country,  let it be so.  


[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-29 Thread merudanda
You may be right about  Twinkies- would be the only thing to survive a
nuclear war [:D]
A popular urban legend purports that Twinkies never rot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=588hZ-kU10U (Tomato Vs. Twinkie Time
Lapse ). But one eBay user supposedly has evidence to refute this claim
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/27/rotten-twinkie-for-sale-ebay_n_\
2562744.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/27/rotten-twinkie-for-sale-ebay_n\
_2562744.html

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@...  wrote:

 As an ironic twist, two million years from now, it will probably be
The Reverend Robert Shield's tome than will be unearthed, spawning
multiple theories and extrapolation about what our culture was all about
--

 Associated News - January 28th, the year 2,002,013. Archaeologist
Taku VXX3L299 has announced an exciting theory, based on the recent
discovery of the ancient diaries of a man from 2013, uniting the
prehistoric substances, 'Twinkie', and 'Prozac'...

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
 
   Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
   that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
   for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no
   discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
   Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
   from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your
   efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
   face)?
  
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia
 
  Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:
 
  The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5
minutes of his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The
diary fills 81 boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This
gargantuan work details every minutae of Shields' life, including
extensive details of his bowel movements, blood pressure, body
temperature, and various medications, as well as extensive lists of the
groceries he bought and their prices. Many entries consist of 'I was at
the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making entries for the diary.'
 




[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-29 Thread laughinggull108
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ann  wrote:


[snip]

 Remind me never to mess with you Mr Price.
 

And so the legend begins...

 

[snip]



[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread Richard J. Williams
turquoiseb:
 On a number of forums I haunt, 

Do they format text on a computer for easy reading
and reply, or do they just post usng word wrap from 
an iPhone Ap like yours? LoL!

Hey, have you ever heard of line and paragraph 
breaks? You said you were a programmer. Go figure.

 I've noticed lately a number of wannabee
 writers who seem...uh...as unaware of the paucity of their writing
 talent as they are their obvious, overwhelming need for attention.  On
 some of these forums they have developed the same kind of ironic
 following that Mark O'Connell speaks of below, and equally without
 noticing that the praise they were so desperate for is being delivered
 tongue in cheek. It's all very amusing. Up to now I've been calling this
 style of writing the PMP (Praise me, please) school of writing, but
 thanks to this article I now realize that there's more to it than that.
 Ros sounds as if she'd fit right in on Fairfield Life, because the
 standards are so low here that she'd probably develop a non-ironic
 following, and become the star she always imagined herself to be, so I
 pass the article along for amusement purposes. Bolding below is mine,
 merely to highlight great insights:
 Amanda McKittrick Ros, the Worst Novelist in History

  rick_ros_the_worst_novelist_in_history.single.html
 … Maybe. An excerpt from Mark O'Connell's Epic Fail.
 This is an excerpt from Mark O'Connell's Epic Fail

  p=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=B00B1VD3Y2linkCode=as2tag=slatmaga\
 -20 , an original e-book published by The Millions
  .
 Who was the worst novelist in history? A definitive answer is  probably
 impossible, given that total artistic failure traditionally  results in
 total obscurity. But it would be foolish to even consider the  question
 without taking into account a very notable exception to that  rule—a
 schoolmistress from Northern Ireland whose novels were so  uniquely and
 thrillingly terrible that, in the early years of the last  century, she
 became an ironic cause célèbre among the cultural  luminaries of
 her time. Her story gives us some perspective on what we  tend to think
 of as a uniquely contemporary phenomenon: the ironic  appreciation of
 bad art—of monkey-faced frescos and multichapter RB  melodramas.
 This terrible novelist was a sort of early avatar of the  spirit of the
 Epic Fail.
 
 She was born Anna McKittrick in the village of Drumaness in 1860 and 
 became Anna Ross when, after taking up a teaching position in Larne, she
 married the town's stationmaster, Andrew Ross. When she began to
 write  novels, she did so under the pseudonym Amanda McKittrick Ros,
 taking the  name Amanda from an Irish romantic novel and dropping the
 second S in  her husband's surname in order to imply a connection
 with the noble de  Ros family of County Down. For their 10th wedding
 anniversary, she convinced Andrew to put up the cash to have her first
 novel, Irene Iddesleigh, printed in Dublin.
 
 The novel isn't, in any conventional sense, a page-turner. Over 189
 pages, Irene Iddesleigh

  p=1789creative=390957creativeASIN=1477580069linkCode=as2tag=slatmaga\
 -20  tells  the story of a young Canterbury lady who marries an older
 man, realizes  she doesn't love him, and then elopes to America with
 her tutor. The  tutor in question, Oscar Otwell, turns out to be a total
 boozehound and  gets sacked for being oiled up on the job. That night,
 he comes home  drunk and either rapes Irene or just says a lot of
 horrible things to  her. (It's not clear from Ros' narration,
 which is nominally omniscient  but still frequently leaves the reader
 unenlightened.) He then drowns  himself, and Irene decides to cut her
 losses and return to England. At  least, I think that's what
 happens; I wouldn't want to fully commit to  that interpretation.
 But it hardly matters either way. It isn't for  their plots that
 people read Ros' novels. They read them for their  rigorously
 terrible sentences and for the masochistic pleasures of  translating
 them into something like sense.
 
 In a way, Ros' prose amounts to a sort of accidental surrealism. 
 There is an intention toward metaphor—a lunge in the general
 direction  of the literary—but an obvious misunderstanding of how
 such things work  (and often, for that matter, how syntax works). One of
 the more  illuminating pieces of criticism on Ros' work is Aldous
 Huxley's essay  Euphues Redivivus, which he published in
 his collection On the Margin  in 1923. Here, he discusses her prose
 style in relation to Euphuism, a  form of writing that takes its name
 from John Lyly's elaborately  mannered 1578 didactic romance
 Euphues: The Anatomy of Wyt.  Huxley acknowledges the extreme
 unlikelihood of Ros ever having read  Lyly but is nonetheless struck by
 the strange resemblance in their  approaches to language. In Mrs.
 Ros, he writes, we see, as we see in  the Elizabethan
 novelists, the result of the discovery of art by an  unsophisticated
 mind and of its first conscious 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread doctordumbass
Ah, a 12 string and Heart! Here's what that reminded me of:

Zep - Tangerine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQ_JAgHxR14

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Emily Reyn  wrote:

 A.cheer up Sport.Here's a nice little acoustic for you.  Heart - 
 Love Alive
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2iz_Yc5dDc
 
 
 
 
 
  From: turquoiseb 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:18 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Good article about bad writing
  
 
   
 On a number of forums I haunt, I've noticed lately a number of wannabee 
 writers who seem...uh...as unaware of the paucity of their writing talent as 
 they are their obvious, overwhelming need for attention. On some of these 
 forums they have developed the same kind of ironic following that Mark 
 O'Connell speaks of below, and equally without noticing that the praise they 
 were so desperate for is being delivered tongue in cheek. It's all very 
 amusing. Up to now I've been calling this style of writing the PMP (Praise 
 me, please) school of writing, but thanks to this article I now realize 
 that there's more to it than that. Ros sounds as if she'd fit right in on 
 Fairfield Life, because the standards are so low here that she'd probably 
 develop a non-ironic following, and become the star she always imagined 
 herself to be, so I pass the article along for amusement purposes. Bolding 
 below is mine, merely to highlight great insights:
 
 Amanda McKittrick Ros, the Worst Novelist in History 
 … Maybe. An excerpt from Mark O'Connell's Epic Fail.
 This is an excerpt from Mark O'Connell's Epic Fail, anoriginal e-book 
 published by The Millions.
 Who was the worst novelist in history? A definitive answer is 
 probably impossible, given that total artistic failure traditionally 
 results in total obscurity. But it would be foolish to even consider the 
 question without taking into account a very notable exception to that 
 ruleâ€a schoolmistress from Northern Ireland whose novels were so 
 uniquely and thrillingly terrible that, in the early years of the last 
 century, she became an ironic cause célèbre among the cultural 
 luminaries of her time. Her story gives us some perspective on what we 
 tend to think of as a uniquely contemporary phenomenon: the ironic 
 appreciation of bad artâ€of monkey-faced frescos and multichapter RB 
 melodramas. This terrible novelist was a sort of early avatar of the 
 spirit of the Epic Fail.
 She was born Anna McKittrick in the village of Drumaness in 1860 and 
 became Anna Ross when, after taking up a teaching position in Larne, she 
 married the town's stationmaster, Andrew Ross. When she began to write 
 novels, she did so under the pseudonym Amanda McKittrick Ros, taking the name 
 Amanda from an Irish romantic novel and dropping the second S in 
 her husband's surname in order to imply a connection with the noble de 
 Ros family of County Down. For their 10th wedding anniversary, she convinced 
 Andrew to put up the cash to have her first novel, Irene Iddesleigh, printed 
 in Dublin.
 The novel isn't, in any conventional sense, a page-turner. Over 189 pages, 
 Irene Iddesleigh tells the story of a young Canterbury lady who marries an 
 older man, realizes she doesn't love him, and then elopes to America with 
 her tutor. The 
 tutor in question, Oscar Otwell, turns out to be a total boozehound and 
 gets sacked for being oiled up on the job. That night, he comes home 
 drunk and either rapes Irene or just says a lot of horrible things to 
 her. (It's not clear from Ros' narration, which is nominally omniscient 
 but still frequently leaves the reader unenlightened.) He then drowns 
 himself, and Irene decides to cut her losses and return to England. At 
 least, I think that's what happens; I wouldn't want to fully commit to 
 that interpretation. But it hardly matters either way. It isn't for 
 their plots that people read Ros' novels. They read them for their 
 rigorously terrible sentences and for the masochistic pleasures of 
 translating them into something like sense.
 In a way, Ros' prose amounts to a sort of accidental surrealism. 
 There is an intention toward metaphorâ€a lunge in the general direction 
 of the literaryâ€but an obvious misunderstanding of how such things work 
 (and often, for that matter, how syntax works). One of the more 
 illuminating pieces of criticism on Ros' work is Aldous Huxley's essay 
 Euphues Redivivus, which he published in his collection On the Margin in 
 1923. Here, he discusses her prose style in relation to Euphuism, a 
 form of writing that takes its name from John Lyly's elaborately 
 mannered 1578 didactic romance Euphues: The Anatomy of Wyt. Huxley 
 acknowledges the extreme unlikelihood of Ros ever having read 
 Lyly but is nonetheless struck by the strange resemblance in their 
 approaches to language. In Mrs. Ros, he writes, we see, as we see in 
 the Elizabethan novelists, the result of 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
snip
 Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
 that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
 for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no 
 discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
 Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
 from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your 
 efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
 face)?
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia

Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:

The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5 minutes of 
his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The diary fills 81 
boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This gargantuan work 
details every minutae of Shields' life, including extensive details of his 
bowel movements, blood pressure, body temperature, and various medications, as 
well as extensive lists of the groceries he bought and their prices. Many 
entries consist of 'I was at the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making 
entries for the diary.'




Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread Bob Price


Judy,

This proves, once again, that you truly can't make some things up (smiley face).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV3u6kS2mmE





From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:39:31 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

 Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
 that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
 for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no 
 discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
 Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
 from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your 
 efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
 face)?
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia

Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:

The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5 minutes of 
his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The diary fills 81 
boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This gargantuan work 
details every minutae of Shields' life, including extensive details of his 
bowel movements, blood pressure, body temperature, and various medications, as 
well as extensive lists of the groceries he bought and their prices. Many 
entries consist of 'I was at the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making 
entries for the diary.'


   


[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread doctordumbass
As an ironic twist, two million years from now, it will probably be The 
Reverend Robert Shield's tome than will be unearthed, spawning multiple 
theories and extrapolation about what our culture was all about -- 

Associated News - January 28th, the year 2,002,013. Archaeologist Taku 
VXX3L299 has announced an exciting theory, based on the recent discovery of the 
ancient diaries of a man from 2013, uniting the prehistoric substances, 
'Twinkie', and 'Prozac'... 

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend  wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:
 
  Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
  that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
  for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no 
  discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
  Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
  from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your 
  efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
  face)?
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia
 
 Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:
 
 The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5 minutes 
 of his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The diary fills 81 
 boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This gargantuan work 
 details every minutae of Shields' life, including extensive details of his 
 bowel movements, blood pressure, body temperature, and various medications, 
 as well as extensive lists of the groceries he bought and their prices. Many 
 entries consist of 'I was at the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making 
 entries for the diary.'




[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread Ann


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

 Barry,
 
 Have I got this right; Ms. Ros published three novels, two while she was with 
 us and 
 
 one posthumously (as well as two books of poetry), and with the winnings from 
 her 
 
 second opus she bought herself a house (naming it after her first novel), and 
 currently 
 
 first editions of her work sell for up to $500 a pop? 
 
 By comparison, you rent communally, and your output includes one e-book that 
 is available online for
 free, and judging from today’s posts and the fact that you rarely miss a 
 day of
 posting on FFL, I would conservatively estimate that you post 80-100k words
 (the length of a novel) annually on FFL; so by my reckoning you've written ten
 novels, with basically the same theme: (to steal from Groucho) I wouldn't
 want to belong to a club that would have me as a member, with no
 compensation, in the past ten years (how am I doing so far)?
 
 Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters that charge 
 a fee for their writing
 services, would it be fair for some of us to think you're the poster (she 
 seems to
 have no discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms. Ros,
 and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two from her writing, and
 learned how to get paid better for your efforts; or were you just being 
 ironic,
 type, type, type  (smiley face)?

Remind me never to mess with you Mr Price.
 
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia
 
 
 
 
 From: turquoiseb 
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 12:18:55 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Good article about bad writing
 
 
 
 On a number of forums I haunt, I've noticed lately a number of wannabee 
 writers who seem...uh...as unaware of the paucity of their writing talent as 
 they are their obvious, overwhelming need for attention. On some of these 
 forums they have developed the same kind of ironic following that Mark 
 O'Connell speaks of below, and equally without noticing that the praise they 
 were so desperate for is being delivered tongue in cheek. It's all very 
 amusing. Up to now I've been calling this style of writing the PMP (Praise 
 me, please) school of writing, but thanks to this article I now realize that 
 there's more to it than that. Ros sounds as if she'd fit right in on 
 Fairfield Life, because the standards are so low here that she'd probably 
 develop a non-ironic following, and become the star she always imagined 
 herself to be, so I pass the article along for amusement purposes. Bolding 
 below is mine, merely to highlight great insights:
 
 Amanda McKittrick Ros, the Worst Novelist in History 
 … Maybe. An excerpt from Mark O'Connell's Epic Fail.
 This is an excerpt from Mark O'Connell's Epic Fail, anoriginal e-book 
 published by The Millions.
 Who was the worst novelist in history? A definitive answer is 
 probably impossible, given that total artistic failure traditionally 
 results in total obscurity. But it would be foolish to even consider the 
 question without taking into account a very notable exception to that 
 ruleâ€a schoolmistress from Northern Ireland whose novels were so 
 uniquely and thrillingly terrible that, in the early years of the last 
 century, she became an ironic cause célèbre among the cultural 
 luminaries of her time. Her story gives us some perspective on what we 
 tend to think of as a uniquely contemporary phenomenon: the ironic 
 appreciation of bad artâ€of monkey-faced frescos and multichapter RB 
 melodramas. This terrible novelist was a sort of early avatar of the 
 spirit of the Epic Fail.
 She was born Anna McKittrick in the village of Drumaness in 1860 and 
 became Anna Ross when, after taking up a teaching position in Larne, she 
 married the town's stationmaster, Andrew Ross. When she began to write 
 novels, she did so under the pseudonym Amanda McKittrick Ros, taking the name 
 Amanda from an Irish romantic novel and dropping the second S in 
 her husband's surname in order to imply a connection with the noble de 
 Ros family of County Down. For their 10th wedding anniversary, she convinced 
 Andrew to put up the cash to have her first novel, Irene Iddesleigh, printed 
 in Dublin.
 The novel isn't, in any conventional sense, a page-turner. Over 189 pages, 
 Irene Iddesleigh tells the story of a young Canterbury lady who marries an 
 older man, realizes she doesn't love him, and then elopes to America with her 
 tutor. The 
 tutor in question, Oscar Otwell, turns out to be a total boozehound and 
 gets sacked for being oiled up on the job. That night, he comes home 
 drunk and either rapes Irene or just says a lot of horrible things to 
 her. (It's not clear from Ros' narration, which is nominally omniscient 
 but still frequently leaves the reader unenlightened.) He then drowns 
 himself, and Irene decides to cut her losses and return to England. At 
 least, I think 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing

2013-01-28 Thread Emily Reyn
Another frickin' reason to be grateful...




 From: authfriend authfri...@yahoo.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2013 6:39 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Good article about bad writing
 

  
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price  wrote:

 Considering the fact that you're in a small group of FFL posters
 that charge a fee for their writing services, would it be fair
 for some of us to think you're the poster (she seems to have no 
 discernible similarities to Judy or Feste) best compared to Ms.
 Ros, and therefore wonder why you haven't taken a page or two
 from her writing, and learned how to get paid better for your 
 efforts; or were you just being ironic, type, type, type (smiley
 face)?
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypergraphia

Could be worse, Bob. From the page at the link:

The Reverend Robert Shields maintained a diary chronicling every 5 minutes of 
his life from 1972 until a stroke disabled him in 1997. The diary fills 81 
boxes and contains approximately 37.5 million words. This gargantuan work 
details every minutae of Shields' life, including extensive details of his 
bowel movements, blood pressure, body temperature, and various medications, as 
well as extensive lists of the groceries he bought and their prices. Many 
entries consist of 'I was at the keyboard of the IBM Wheelwriter, making 
entries for the diary.'


 



[FairfieldLife] Re: Good article in Scientific American...

2012-01-14 Thread merudanda
Knowing it's meant to be funny
  - but but let us  be a little salty analytical for a sec:

Trauma Queen- Drama Queen

Dangerous Liaisons: How to Deal with a Drama Queen The damaging
theatrics of drama queens may spring from defects etched in the brain
Disappointing  that SciAm lets something like emotons get into an
article.
This is no more science than phrenology.Borderline personality disorder
has become the new pejorative term for annoying mental health disorders.
So called borderline personality disorder et al is double speak(I am
being kind) created by the quasi science community who do not do real
science at all but descriptive, uncontrolled clinical studies
The clinical approach in its descriptive opinionated approach is no
different from ecclesiastical conferences on how many angels fit on the
head of a pin...utter nonsense and an embarrassment to the science
community
A supposedly scientific publication such is as this, it would seem,
could transcend the pejorative, objectifying, and speculative discourse
with which such human tragedies are discussed in self-help books, and do
a little research in order to address the causes, effects, and dynamics
of understanding, healing, and prevention.
You may know someone whom you think has borderline personality disorder,
but is closer to having a narcissistic personality disorder, or bipolar
disorder. Sometimes these conditions overlap in the same individual.
That is why all these generalizations and demonizations of those
suffering from a specific disorder are off the mark.They seem like a way
of labeling and objectifying people who annoy or frighten you than
approached with a desire to understand human behavior.
This entire article reflects a lot more bitterness and fear than
insight, and I believe it stems from constructing a straw man based on
some rather vague symptomology, and then painting a target on it.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@... wrote:

 ...interestingly enough, about Drama Queens. Really.

 http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=dangerous-liaisons




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