Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
I would recommend you get a copy of Practical Astronomy with your Pocket Calculator which you can get used real cheap. One of the important concepts to grok in celestial mechanics is *frames of reference*. For example, there are horizon coordinates, equatorial coordinates, ecliptic coordinates, Galactic coordinates, etc. All are *different* frames of reference. While precession will tell you how the satellites appear and change in regards to the background of fixed stars, it's really a different frame of reference than when your talking about where the sun is in the sky related to earths horizon. In that regard the important thing is the earths orbit around the sun, which is an ellipse, not a circle. Therefore the important thing is it's eccentricity and it's eccentric anomalies. These are how you'll really calculate the suns positions, rise/set times, etc. For example, you could learn how to calculate the actual position of the sun, sunrises and sunsets, etc. and it would then become clear that these orbital dynamics are what will determine the position of the sun from the reference point of the earths horizon. Yes the background of the stars does change over time, but only when you include them in your frame of reference. On Jan 30, 2006, at 11:52 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. How's 8000 years? Is that enough proof? Link to here and change maximum year to and yearly increment to 100 and you will find that the vernal equinox in 9900 will be on March 21st. http://aom.giss.nasa.gov/srvernal.html Um, not really. My reading of the very first line of the site is that March 21 as vernal equinox is a fixed input, a core assumption of the model. Thats fine for 100-200 year spans, which is what I suspect the model is used for. Its not fine for 13000 years out. For the six Atmosphere-Ocean Model simulations (C089, C090, C091, C092, C093, C094) used by this current web site, all years have exactly 365 days and vernal equinox always occurs on March 21, hour 0. You are confusing precession with nutation I have been an astronomy buff for 38 years and am not confused easily. I leave it to those who know little about the subject to be confused. Ok fine. So asking a second time, as a learned bright guy with 38 year experience in astronomy, how exactly do you define precession of the equinox? I define it as follows: Precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. What parts of my definition do you disagree with? --- doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I will bet you a quart of soma that in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September. Lets meet then and see. No. The sun moves from its lowest point in the sky relative to the earth to its highest point in the sky relative to the earth in six months, from the winter solstice day to the summer solstice day. Half-way through the six months, the sun crosses the mid-point (celestial equator) on its journey northward and that crossing of the mid-point is what the vernal equinox is. The vernal equinox will always be in March in the northern hemisphere and in September in the southern hemisphere. It will be for quite some time. It won't be in 13000 years. That won't change because of the earth's minor wobbling. The 26000 year cycle of the precession of equinox can hardly be termed minor wobbling. You are confusing precession with nutation. How exactly do you define precession of the equinox? I define it as follows: Precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~ - To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [FairfieldLife] Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
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Re: [FairfieldLife] East is always east
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Could you post this on ffl? - I have noted the big correspondence on the matter of east. East is an earth-based direction and is always the same. This helps if east is only determined by the earths rotational poles. Then the rising point of the sun and the stars in the background are irrelevant for determining east. The pole does wobble round to point at different parts of the sky, but the axis of rotation does not significantly change relative to the surface of the earth. That is why the pyramids in Egypt and Stonehenge in Britain are still perfectly aligned after over 4,500 years. If they're still lined-up then true east always remains the same for earth. It's just the celestial background that changes. Regards, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- So Judy you appear to be saying that due to precession when the sun is in, let say virgo, at vernal equinox in 13000 years, its going to March. Sorry, I can't parse this sentence. (If you meant to write going to BE March, yes, the vernal equinox is always in March.) See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. The *words* are the same (The sun is in X constellation at the vernal equinox), but because the frames of reference are entirely different, what X is in each case is also entirely different. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] India - child abuse
Is this India's hidden shame? THE fact that a kiss in a Bollywood movie causes widespread scandal in India is a gauge of the generally repressed attitude towards human sexuality there is in the country. But does, what in the west would be judged as over the top prudery, disguise a much more sinister reality? For example some studies have suggested that the country may have the highest incidence of child sex abuse in the world. (snip) http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/heritage/s/191/191793_is_this_indias_hidden_shame.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would recommend you get a copy of Practical Astronomy with your Pocket Calculator which you can get used real cheap. One of the important concepts to grok in celestial mechanics is *frames of reference*. For example, there are horizon coordinates, equatorial coordinates, ecliptic coordinates, Galactic coordinates, etc. All are *different* frames of reference. While precession will tell you how the satellites appear and change in regards to the background of fixed stars, it's really a different frame of reference than when your talking about where the sun is in the sky related to earths horizon. In that regard the important thing is the earths orbit around the sun, which is an ellipse, not a circle. Therefore the important thing is it's eccentricity and it's eccentric anomalies. These are how you'll really calculate the suns positions, rIise/set times, etc. For example, you could learn how to calculate the actual position of the sun, sunrises and sunsets, etc. and it would then become clear that these orbital dynamics are what will determine the position of the sun from the reference point of the earths horizon. Yes the background of the stars does change over time, but only when you include them in your frame of reference. Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because its wrong. No coherent explanation as to why, countering the evidence has been presented. I have found in jyotish circles, where long time practicioners often have some strong understanding of celeestial mechanics, still get it wrong when confronted with very long range phenomenon. What works, and assumptions of what is reasonable over a 100 year span often don't work or are not valid over a 20,000 year span. While this is not a proof of my conclusion, it is a caution to those seeped in good astronomical knowledge in the 100 year frame. To the critics, if it is so clear my conclusion is so wrong, simply point out the error in my 8-points. And provide a convincing explanation for the trend towards an earlier VE, as well as the precesson-caused the long term weather cycles. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Proper pronunciation of Buddha
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, brahmachari108
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Venture to say that anyone referring to him as Maharishi doesn't
know what a Maharishi is.
The timeline of events in the life of one of India's greatest saints
inthe 20th Century, Ma-ananda Mai (? other variations of her name
exist), explictly refers to Maharishi Mahesh Yogi visiting her,
not Yogi Mahesh.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
--- shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BOO-DA-HAH
And you can determine the state of consciousness of
the speaker by
how he pronounces Buddha. If he just says BUHDAH
-- as he would
BUTTER but with Ds instead of Ts and dropping
the R -- then he
is of low consciousness. If he says it with the
three syllables
distinctly enunciated -- BOO-DA-HAH -- then he is,
of course, very
highly evolved. Throw in an East-Asian accept and
say it very
quickly then you're probably an Avatar.
It's like in the TM Movement: if you say
MA-HA-Ri-SHI you are lowly
evolved and should just be cleaning the floors of
your local
center. But...if you pronounce it MA-HAR-SHI then
you are, of
course, a long-time TMer who is personally close to
and beloved of
MMY and you are highly evolved.
There are exceptions of course. Notably, Charlie
Lutes. Not only
did Charlie pronouce it MA-HA-RI-SHI, the
son-of-a-gun threw in the
article, to boot! Charlie always referred to him as
THE MA-HA-RI-
SHI which gave him a good-ole-boy rep who could
still go into any
board room in America and slap the back of any
stogie-totin' CEO
and, in the same breath, tell them he was now going
to go off and
close his eyes and silently repeat a mantra.
SSRS is in the lineage of Charlie. He calls MMY, the
Maha rishi
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there are elections this fall. I hear Cindy Sheehan is thinking about running against Diane Feinstein. I'd vote for her. Thanks- I saw the tv ticker line about Sheehan possibly running, though I hadn't heard it was against Feinstein. Feinstein is smart and experienced, but addicted to power. When she declared that she had received 40,000 emails and letters asking her to vote against this Iraq debacle several years ago, and then voted for it, becuase she had *special* information, my respect for her went away, and it hasn't returned. WEll, we now know what the special info was. Does she still claim that the info she received was valid? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The vernal equinox is in September in 13000 years. Its not that complex. If you are struggling with the September vernal equinox, I speculate that you have not groked what precession of the equinox means. If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change--it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Not sure if you're right or not, but the Earth doesn't circlethe sun in exactly 365 days so there is a slight change for the equinox over time due to that. I *believe* that our calander compensates for this change, but I'm not positive. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- So Judy you appear to be saying that due to precession when the sun is in, let say virgo, at vernal equinox in 13000 years, its going to March. Sorry, I can't parse this sentence. (If you meant to write going to BE March, yes, the vernal equinox is always in March.) Yes, BE should have been included. See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. Perhaps. As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. And your reasoning for why that is so is not clear. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). Actually I think its 2100. I know a lot of cites say 2013 the math says 2110. VE entered pisces in 60 BCE, the precession for a distance of a constellation is 2170 years. However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. I think you are confusing sideral and tropical frames of reference. In sideral frame (the one used in jyotish) this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Pisces at the vernal equinox. In tropical frame this year the sun will be in Aries at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Aries at the vernal equinox. (Sorry for repetion but I was modeling your format.) former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. The *words* are the same (The sun is in X constellation at the vernal equinox), but because the frames of reference are entirely different, what X is in each case is also entirely different. I fail to see the distinction. I run a jyotish program, with a visual transit feature a lot. In current time freame, when the sun is in pisces at the VE it is march. When the sun is in Virgo it is september. The sun is not in two different constallations at the same time. It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
In a message dated 1/30/06 11:56:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there are elections this fall. I hear Cindy Sheehan is thinking about running against Diane Feinstein. I'd vote for her. feste37 wrote: Try electing a Democratic Congress this November. Then we'll see how long the war criminal lasts. This is one reason the democrats will be very unlikely to take control of the House and Senate, the democratic base is too freaky. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? The issue is whether the vernal equinox will occur in September 13,000 years from now (or whether it *was* in September 13,000 years ago). --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip If you have a cogent argument as to why you believe it is not, please post. (Just saying it is eternally in March is not a cogent argument. :) ) No, but it has the advantage of being a fact. Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- I am sorry judy. That is just not true. As the sun moves from the beginning of one constallation to another, its a new month. Go through 6 constallations in 13000 years and the vernal equinox has moved 6 months. it's always around March 20--and then work backward, and you yourself will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. Simple read the 8 points in my prior post you will be able to discover whatever it is that isn't quite right in your mental model. 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years. In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere. 9) Thus, in 13000 years the vernal equinox will be in September, fall weather will prevail for the northern hemisphere, and spring weather will be in the southern hemisphere. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
In a message dated 1/30/06 10:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. TEAMS OF 2 TO WORK ON ORGANIZING THE REMAINING BUILDINGS INCLUDING UNWRAPPING AND ARRANGING FURNITURE, NEATLY STACKING BOXES IN THE LOBBY FOR EACH RESIDENT, MAKING BEDS, CREATING MEDITATION AREAS FOR EACH PERSON, SETTING UP BATHS AND FINAL CLEANING.2. TEAMS TO MOVE, ORGANIZE AND PUT SHEETS ON FOAM3. TEAMS TO SET UP DINING HALLS4. TEAMS TO SET UP MEETING HALLS5. TEAMS TO SET UP OFFICES6. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO TAKE AWAY TRASH FROM ALL THE BUILDINGS. TRASH REMOVAL SHOULD CONTINUE ALL DAY.7. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO DO FINAL MOVING OF FURNITURE AND BOXES THAT ARE IN THE WRONG BUILDINGS8. MANY SPECIALIZED TASKSPLEASE STOP AT 11A FOR ASSIGNMENTS. All of you "Sudras" get to work so these lady Brahmins don't have to lift a finger and get "stressed out". To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because "its wrong". No coherent explanation as to why, countering the evidence has been presented.Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here goes:1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths areequal and when the sun rises at true east.The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things occur at different latitudes.Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words.Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus astronomers use the "equation of time". Some days it's more than 24 hours, other days it's less.2) "precesion of the equinox" means that the position of the sun atthe vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, "retreats" onedegree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiacof 12 constellations every 26000 years.Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time.3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sunwill always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus theprecession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east orthe path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.)Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time.4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox --travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Airesmoving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernalequinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the "age of aquarius").Yes, sidereally.5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full "circle" around theconstellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position ineach constallation.No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles.6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun(due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its "eleptic" path aroundthe sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winterthe hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days areshorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours.No. Long story.7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox --travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces.Approximately.8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earthrelative to its path around the sun gives fall weather for thenorthern hemisphere, and spring weather in the southern hemisphere.Yeah... I have found in jyotish circles, where long time practicioners often have some strong understanding of celeestial mechanics, still get it wrong when confronted with very long range phenomenon. What works, and assumptions of what is reasonable over a 100 year span often don't work or are not valid over a 20,000 year span. While this is not a proof of my conclusion, it is a caution to those seeped in good astronomical knowledge in the 100 year frame. To the critics, if it is so clear my conclusion is so wrong, simply point out the error in my 8-points. And provide a convincing explanation for the trend towards an earlier VE, as well as the precesson-caused the long term weather cycles. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group,
[FairfieldLife] FW: Try this -- a little song to start your day
In what is a not too subtle dig at Bush's subpoena of their search records, Google is getting their own nasty dig at 'W' before the gag orders go into effect. I don't know how long this will work, but go to http://www.Google.com (not the advanced search) and type in the search word: asshole Then hit the I'm feeling lucky button right below the Search. The result is hysterical, and I have to admit I absolutely admire Google's nerve. Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. -- Samuel Johnson (1709-84) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Just take it as a given that while the constellation the sun is in on the vernal equinox changes due to the precession of the equinoxes, the date of the vernal equinox itself does not change-- So Judy you appear to be saying that due to precession when the sun is in, let say virgo, at vernal equinox in 13000 years, its going to March. Sorry, I can't parse this sentence. (If you meant to write going to BE March, yes, the vernal equinox is always in March.) Yes, BE should have been included. See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. Perhaps. As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. And your reasoning for why that is so is not clear. That's because I don't know where the error in your mental model is occurring. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). Actually I think its 2100. I know a lot of cites say 2013 the math says 2110. VE entered pisces in 60 BCE, the precession for a distance of a constellation is 2170 years. Yes, when the transition occurs is a matter of interpretation. However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. I think you are confusing sideral and tropical frames of reference. In sideral frame (the one used in jyotish) this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Pisces at the vernal equinox. In tropical frame this year the sun will be in Aries at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Aries at the vernal equinox. (Sorry for repetion but I was modeling your format.) Not the issue here. former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. The *words* are the same (The sun is in X constellation at the vernal equinox), but because the frames of reference are entirely different, what X is in each case is also entirely different. I fail to see the distinction. I run a jyotish program, with a visual transit feature a lot. In current time freame, when the sun is in pisces at the VE it is march. When the sun is in Virgo it is september. The sun is not in two different constallations at the same time. Not if you're using the same frame of reference, no. It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical or Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. I think it is the difference. You can't have VE occurring, tropically, both in pisces and aries this year. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. I believe Vaj is referring to observational points of reference. Indeed one has a different view from earth, the sun or the pole star. I am using a constant observational frame of reference with respect to VE and the postition of the sun. Another frame of reference is calculational. From earth you could report the distance to the sun in miles or kilometers. The number is different, the distance is the same. I believe you are using two different calculational reference points, tropical and sideral, in the same single observation of the sun at VE. This will cause confusion. To reconcile this confusion, you appear to believe the error is my using of two observational reference points. I am not. I beleive the confusion is from your use of two calculational RPs for the same observational RP. Perhaps. As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. And your reasoning for why that is so is not clear. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. I think you are confusing sideral and tropical frames of reference. In sideral frame (the one used in jyotish) this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Pisces at the vernal equinox. Slight Correction. Sideral view takes precession into account. Jyotish uses an Ayanamsa -- a factor to convert tropical to sideral. (the celestial mechanics are calculated in tropical,then converted) Thus, the point of sideral is that, among other things, I beleive VE will always be when the sun is at the cusp of Aries and Pisces. It will always occur in relation to the actual stars at the cusp. This assumes the sun actually retreats a bit at VE, tropically -- due to precession. Which could be shown graphically pretty clearly, but harder in words. That assumption may be the point of difference between us. To verify, I just ran a jyotish chart for the 2006 VE which has about a 24 degree ayanasma adjustment. Sun is a few degrees into Aries -- which may be a longitude thing, and perhaps my ayanasma is off a bit. Just as it should be for a constant aries cusp in sideral view over long spans of time. On the other hand, tropical will an unadjusted date for VE. Since precession causes (the real) VE to occur slightly earlier over time, the date of VE must slowly change over time. In 200 year span its not noticable. In 2100 years or so, it will shift a month. In 13000 years it will shift 6 months. Due to a regularly updated ayansama every century or so, in sideral view VE will always be at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 1n 13000 years it will have an ayanamsa of 180 degrees. Thus converting from sideral to tropical, VE in tropical will be on cusp of Virgo. And in earth weather, tropical view, september is fall weather. The *words* are the same (The sun is in X constellation at the vernal equinox), but because the frames of reference are entirely different, what X is in each case is also entirely different. I fail to see the distinction. I run a jyotish program, with a visual transit feature a lot. In current time freame, when the sun is in pisces at the VE it is march. When the sun is in Virgo it is september. The sun is not in two different constallations at the same time. It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/06 11:56:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there are elections this fall. I hear Cindy Sheehan is thinking about running against Diane Feinstein. I'd vote for her. feste37 wrote: Try electing a Democratic Congress this November. Then we'll see how long the war criminal lasts. This is one reason the democrats will be very unlikely to take control of the House and Senate, the democratic base is too freaky. The Republicans are the freaks. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because its wrong. No coherent explanation as to why, countering the evidence has been presented. Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here goes: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things occur at different latitudes. Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. But they are near their most equal at VE, right? For example, day and night are always equal at equator (correct?). And in artic circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near equal day and nights, right? Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus astronomers use the equation of time. Some days it's more than 24 hours, other days it's less. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting age of acquarius Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). Yes, sidereally. No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically I believe. 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. No. Long story. I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is warmer than winter. Which is the relevant point for my train of logic. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. Approximately. Yes. Every thing here is approximate. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/06 11:56:02 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there are elections this fall. I hear Cindy Sheehan is thinking about running against Diane Feinstein. I'd vote for her. feste37 wrote: Try electing a Democratic Congress this November. Then we'll see how long the war criminal lasts. This is one reason the democrats will be very unlikely to take control of the House and Senate, the democratic base is too freaky. The Republicans are the freaks. A two-party system is freaky... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
This would have to be THE MOTHER OF ALL MOVES! Isn't there a Maharishi Vedic Mother Trucker Technology of the Vastu available for this operated by Raja Uhaulananda. --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: forward: WE NEED 90 PEOPLE AT THE CAMPUS BY TUESDAY MORNING AT 9:45 A.M. AND TO WORK ALL DAY TO GET THE CAMPUS READY FOR THE FIRST 43 ARRIVALS TUESDAY NIGHT. 1. TEAMS OF 2 TO WORK ON ORGANIZING THE REMAINING BUILDINGS INCLUDING UNWRAPPING AND ARRANGING FURNITURE, NEATLY STACKING BOXES IN THE LOBBY FOR EACH RESIDENT, MAKING BEDS, CREATING MEDITATION AREAS FOR EACH PERSON, SETTING UP BATHS AND FINAL CLEANING. 2. TEAMS TO MOVE, ORGANIZE AND PUT SHEETS ON FOAM 3. TEAMS TO SET UP DINING HALLS 4. TEAMS TO SET UP MEETING HALLS 5. TEAMS TO SET UP OFFICES 6. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO TAKE AWAY TRASH FROM ALL THE BUILDINGS. TRASH REMOVAL SHOULD CONTINUE ALL DAY. 7. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO DO FINAL MOVING OF FURNITURE AND BOXES THAT ARE IN THE WRONG BUILDINGS 8. MANY SPECIALIZED TASKS PLEASE STOP AT 11A FOR ASSIGNMENTS. ALL BUILDINGS WILL BE LABELED ON THE INSIDE FRONT DOOR WITH WHAT REMAINS TO BE DONE. PLEASE COMPLETE AND CHECK OFF THE TASKS ON THE LABEL. ESTIMATED TIME REQUIRED - 2 HOURS WITH 2 PEOPLE FOR A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. IF THE LABEL INDICATES THE BUILDING IS READY PLEASE GO ON TO THE NEXT BUILDING. IT SHOULD BE A NICE DAY WITH WEATHER IN THE 40S AND PARTY SUNNY! IT MAY TAKE A MIRACLE TO GET EVERYTHING DONE IT TIME. BUT WE CAN DO IT! THANKS SO VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOU HAVE DONE AND FOR COMING TO HELP IN A BIG WAY ON THIS FINAL DAY. JAI GURU DEV MAUREEN Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because its wrong. No coherent explanation as to why, countering the evidence has been presented. Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here goes: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things occur at different latitudes. Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. But they are near their most equal at VE, right? For example, day and night are always equal at equator (correct?). And in artic circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near equal day and nights, right? Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus astronomers use the equation of time. Some days it's more than 24 hours, other days it's less. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting age of acquarius Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). Yes, sidereally. No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically I believe. 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. No. Long story. I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is warmer than winter. Which is the relevant point for my train of logic. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. Approximately. Yes. Every thing here is approximate. 8) When the sun is in virgo, around September, the tilt of the earth relative to its path
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? The issue is whether the vernal equinox will occur in September 13,000 years from now (or whether it *was* in September 13,000 years ago). The angle of the earth's rotation isn't all that significant as far as ican tell. Far more significant is the factthat there is a 1/4 day difference between our 365 day calander and the ~365.25 day year. That's accounted for by how our callendar works. The other stuff isn't worth worrying about beyond a day or maybe a week of variation, max,over many thousands of years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See Vaj's post about frames of reference. Somehow you've managed to confuse at least two different ones. I believe Vaj is referring to observational points of reference. Indeed one has a different view from earth, the sun or the pole star. I am using a constant observational frame of reference with respect to VE and the postition of the sun. Another frame of reference is calculational. From earth you could report the distance to the sun in miles or kilometers. The number is different, the distance is the same. I believe you are using two different calculational reference points, tropical and sideral, in the same single observation of the sun at VE. Nope. Remember, what you're suggesting is that the vernal equinox will eventually occur in *September*. This will cause confusion. To reconcile this confusion, you appear to believe the error is my using of two observational reference points. I am not. I beleive the confusion is from your use of two calculational RPs for the same observational RP. Perhaps. As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. And your reasoning for why that is so is not clear. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. I think you are confusing sideral and tropical frames of reference. In sideral frame (the one used in jyotish) this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox and (again) this year the sun will be Pisces at the vernal equinox. Slight Correction. Sideral view takes precession into account. Jyotish uses an Ayanamsa -- a factor to convert tropical to sideral. (the celestial mechanics are calculated in tropical,then converted) Thus, the point of sideral is that, among other things, I beleive VE will always be when the sun is at the cusp of Aries and Pisces. It will always occur in relation to the actual stars at the cusp. This assumes the sun actually retreats a bit at VE, tropically -- due to precession. Which could be shown graphically pretty clearly, but harder in words. That assumption may be the point of difference between us. To verify, I just ran a jyotish chart for the 2006 VE which has about a 24 degree ayanasma adjustment. Sun is a few degrees into Aries -- which may be a longitude thing, and perhaps my ayanasma is off a bit. Just as it should be for a constant aries cusp in sideral view over long spans of time. On the other hand, tropical will an unadjusted date for VE. Since precession causes (the real) VE to occur slightly earlier over time, the date of VE must slowly change over time. In 200 year span its not noticable. In 2100 years or so, it will shift a month. In 13000 years it will shift 6 months. Due to a regularly updated ayansama every century or so, in sideral view VE will always be at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 1n 13000 years it will have an ayanamsa of 180 degrees. Thus converting from sideral to tropical, VE in tropical will be on cusp of Virgo. And in earth weather, tropical view, september is fall weather. The *words* are the same (The sun is in X constellation at the vernal equinox), but because the frames of reference are entirely different, what X is in each case is also entirely different. I fail to see the distinction. I run a jyotish program, with a visual transit feature a lot. In current time freame, when the sun is in pisces at the VE it is march. When the sun is in Virgo it is september. The sun is not in two different constallations at the same time. It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. I think it is the difference. Nope, not. You can't have VE occurring, tropically, both in pisces and aries this year. Never said that. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? The issue is whether the vernal equinox will occur in September 13,000 years from now (or whether it *was* in September 13,000 years ago). The angle of the earth's rotation isn't all that significant as far as ican tell. Fine. But that is not what the discussion is focussed on. The quesion is whether the date of the sun at vernal equinox retreats slowly to earlier dates (tropically). All the western scientists who observed and developed models for precession were using a tropical system. To them, just discovering precession, a sideral system could not be their reference point. They all saw that the date of the sun at VE retreated slowly TROPICALLY. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:22 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here goes: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things occur at different latitudes. Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. But they are near their most equal at VE, right?IIRC it is usually within a couple of days at the equator and differing dates further from the equinox as you move away from the equator. For example, day and night are always equal at equator (correct?).No, just close to the equinox. Keep in mind the equinox is a defined from the center of the sun and that when the sun rises, this is defined by the rising edge of the orb. However on the actual day of the equinox the point which describes the center of the sun above the horizon for 12 hours.This is an important point, as the sun actually does take up a certain angle--actually one of my ancestors used this fact to first calculate the period of Venus (no pun intended). And in artic circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near equal day and nights, right?Nearly. Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus astronomers use the "equation of time". Some days it's more than 24 hours, other days it's less. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 2) "precesion of the equinox" means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, "retreats" one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting "age of acquarius"In Jyotish, IIRC, it will occur around 2400 CE. Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the "age of aquarius"). Yes, sidereally. No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically I believe. I'm not familiar enough with tropical system to say. 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full "circle" around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its "eleptic" path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. No. Long story. I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is warmer than winter. Which is the relevant point for my train of logic. 7) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels to its opposite constallation every 13000 years. In 13000 years, the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will be in Virgo, 180 degrees from its present position in Pisces. Approximately.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/06 12:57:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks- I saw the tv ticker line about Sheehan possibly running, though I hadn't heard it was against Feinstein. Feinstein is smart and experienced, but addicted to power. When she declared that she had received 40,000 emails and letters asking her to vote against this Iraq debacle several years ago, and then voted for it, becuase she had *special* information, my respect for her went away, and it hasn't returned. Maybe Sheehan could run as a third party candidate like Ralph Nadar or Johnny Haeglen! Yeah, that is probably about it... her heart is in the right place, but she would be an ineffective Senator. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe you are using two different calculational reference points, tropical and sideral, in the same single observation of the sun at VE. Nope. Remember, what you're suggesting is that the vernal equinox will eventually occur in *September*. sorry I see no logical connection bewteen my statement and yours. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dare I mention leap years, leap centuries and leap seconds? The issue is whether the vernal equinox will occur in September 13,000 years from now (or whether it *was* in September 13,000 years ago). The angle of the earth's rotation isn't all that significant as far as ican tell. Far more significant is the factthat there is a 1/4 day difference between our 365 day calander and the ~365.25 day year. That's accounted for by how our callendar works. The other stuff isn't worth worrying about beyond a day or maybe a week of variation, max,over many thousands of years. Right. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 10:07 AM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: Thanks. I will explore that. Indeed I may be missing something. Yet no one has found any factual or logic flaws in the 8 points I listed, or explained the cites I provided that report the slow retreat of the date of the vernal equinox -- and the long-term weather cycles caused by precession. To date eveeryone says the conclusion is wrong because its wrong. No coherent explanation as to why, countering the evidence has been presented. Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here goes: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things occur at different latitudes. Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. But they are near their most equal at VE, right? For example, day and night are always equal at equator (correct?). And in artic circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near equal day and nights, right? Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus astronomers use the equation of time. Some days it's more than 24 hours, other days it's less. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting age of acquarius Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. But you're saying it will eventually be in *Virgo*. 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). Yes, sidereally. No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically I believe. 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. No. Long story. I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is warmer than winter. Which is the relevant point for my train of logic. http://www.astronomy.org/programs/seasons/ It isn't the distance, it's the angle at which the sun's rays strike the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:22 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: Well, it was jumping to another set of questions from the one being discussed. We can only answer so many questions at a time, but here goes: 1) vernal equinox occurs once a year when day and night lengths are equal and when the sun rises at true east. The vernal equinox is the time closest to the equinocial point (where earth cross the celestial equator). This actually contains a number of fallacies, namely the equal day and night myth. Different things occur at different latitudes. Well exact equality its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. But they are near their most equal at VE, right? IIRC it is usually within a couple of days at the equator and differing dates further from the equinox as you move away from the equator. For example, day and night are always equal at equator (correct?). No, just close to the equinox. Keep in mind the equinox is a defined from the center of the sun and that when the sun rises, this is defined by the rising edge of the orb. However on the actual day of the equinox the point which describes the center of the sun above the horizon for 12 hours. This is an important point, as the sun actually does take up a certain angle--actually one of my ancestors used this fact to first calculate the period of Venus (no pun intended). And in artic circle at Solstices its either long nights or long days. Approaching the VE days lengthen and nights shorten. At some point they are equal. And that occurs around VE. Thus around VE all lattitudes have near equal day and nights, right? Nearly. Much of this can be explained in a few moments with a globe and a light bulb, it's much more difficult to explain in words. Also you need to understand that the sun is a lousy timekeeper, thus astronomers use the equation of time. Some days it's more than 24 hours, other days it's less. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 2) precesion of the equinox means that the position of the sun at the vernal equinox, relative to the constallations, retreats one degree every 72 years, making a full cycle around the zodiac of 12 constellations every 26000 years. Yeah, approximately. This is caused by the obliquity of the ecliptic. It changes over time. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 3) Even with precession of the equinox, from an earth view, the sun will always rise at due east at the vernal equinox, thus the precession does not effect orientations of buildings to true east or the path of the sun relative to buildings (from a year of observations starting at the vernal equinox.) Yes, it's just that the constellation the sun is in at any moment will change over time. Eventually sun will enter aquarius at this time. In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting age of acquarius In Jyotish, IIRC, it will occur around 2400 CE. Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. 4) The precession - the postion of the sun at vernal equinox -- travels through each constellation about every 26000/12 = 2160 years.n In 60 BC, the sun at vernal equinox was just on the cusp of Aires moving into Pisces. Around 2100, the the postion of the sun at vernal equinox will move from Pisces to Aquarius (aka the age of aquarius). Yes, sidereally. No tropically, see above. Precession causes sun to retreat tropically I believe. I'm not familiar enough with tropical system to say. 5) The sun annually transits 360 degree , a full circle around the constellations. Each month roughly corresponds to the suns position in each constallation. No. Different constellations have different widths. This only works if you arbitrarily place a 12 x 30 degree gripd on the sky. Then, again, keep in min. the sun does not move at a constant rate (thus the equation of time) so even that is not exact. Also consider as did Kepler, the orbits are not perfect circles. Understood. I was trying to keep it simple. Its not a critical assumption of my consclusion. 6) In summer months, the hemisphere one habitats is closer to the sun (due to its 23.5 degree tilt -- relative to its eleptic path around the sun). Thus in summer it is warmer and days are longer. In Winter the hemisphere is further from the sun, thus its colder and days are shorter. At the equinoxes, matched longitudes in each hemishperes are the same distance from the sun. Day and night are each 12 hours. No. Long story. I would like to hear it. Meanwhile I am sure we agree that summer is warmer than winter. Which is the
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In tropical right? Western astrologers are the ones tooting age of acquarius Thus, in sideral, sun at VE will always at cusp of Aries and Pisces. But you're saying it will eventually be in *Virgo*. You are not reading carefully. I have said sun at VE in 13000 years will be in TROPICAL *Virgo* and in SIDERAL aries. With ayanamsa of 180 degrees. Sun in TROPICAL *Virgo* will be septemberish. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. I think it is the difference. Nope, not. You can't have VE occurring, tropically, both in pisces and aries this year. Never said that. You said: As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. Reorganizing your references you seem to be saying: In the frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox However, in the the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. How is this not saying VE is occurring, tropically both in pisces and aries this year? You appear to think tropically that the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox is different from the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox the sun is also in aries, tropically in the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. I think it is the difference. Nope, not. You can't have VE occurring, tropically, both in pisces and aries this year. Never said that. You said: As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. Reorganizing your references you seem to be saying: In the frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox However, in the the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. How is this not saying VE is occurring, tropically both in pisces and aries this year? You appear to think tropically that the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox is different from the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox the sun is also in aries, tropically in the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
Do they at least give free pizza? Sal On Jan 30, 2006, at 10:55 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: forward>: WE NEED 90 PEOPLE AT THE CAMPUS BY TUESDAY MORNING AT 9:45 A.M. AND TO WORK ALL DAY TO GET THE CAMPUS READY FOR THE FIRST 43 ARRIVALS TUESDAY NIGHT.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is in two only superficially. Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. I think it is the difference. Nope, not. You can't have VE occurring, tropically, both in pisces and aries this year. Never said that. You said: As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. The thing is that the two frames of reference are different in an entirely different way than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are different. Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal are two different ways of measuring the same thing; but what you're measuring when you want to know where the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something else entirely. You're getting day-to-day confused with year-to-year. Reorganizing your references you seem to be saying: In the frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox However, in the the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. How is this not saying VE is occurring, tropically both in pisces and aries this year? Because they're completely different frames of reference. You appear to think tropically that the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox is different from the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox the sun is also in aries, tropically in the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Not...that's where your problem lies. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You appear to think tropically that the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox is different from the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox the sun is also in aries, tropically in the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Another way to visualize it is to think of an earth-centric view of the sun and planets rotation around the earth. Like an astrology chart. For this example I will use a southern style --rectangualar jyotish chart so we easily, verbally ID the constelations. And this imaginary chart has no ayanamsa adjustment, it is tropical. Pisces is the northwest square, aries is horizontally parallel to pisces, one square to the right, aquarius is vertically below pisces. The other constallations continue in a rectangle, Virgo is in the SE cornor, Sag is in SW cornor etc. Many put the position of the sun at VE at cusp of pisces and aries in 60 BCE. Thus, in every annual rotation of the sun, every year in that era, VE occured near that cusp. But with precession of the equinox, the position of the sun at vernal equinox goes to the left, counterclock ways, one degree every 72 years or so years, roughly equivalent to one days travel of the sun from the position of the sun at BCE 60 VE (at cusp of aries and pisces). The position of the sun at VE of 2170 (2170/72 yrs per degrees = 30 degrees ~ 30 days) which will occur at the tropical cusp of pisces and aquarius, will be 330 degrees from the position of the sun at 60B CE VE. Thus, the 2170 VE will occur about a month earlier than the 60BCE VE Continuing, in 13000 years, the sun at VE will occur in virgo, 180 degrees from sun at ve now . It will be in earth time, around september. All of this is tropical view. There are no two reference points here. Its all the same reference point. You appear to have made a distinction in language, in your mind, about two refence points that do not correspond to a distinction in the world. Draw the above chart out on paper. Mark the changing position of the sun at VE. Its not hard. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:24 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:If you agree to the general overall point (regardless of small variations and simplifications) in each of the above 8 points, it logically follows that you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka around september? All celestial calcs in jyotish programs are done in tropical. Then adjusted by ayanamsa to sideral. So like it or not, you are indirectly interested in tropical. :) Ok.do you agree that in 13000 years the appropriate sideral ayanamsa is 180 degrees, and that sun at VE will be in sideral Aries? I doubt it is possible to predict that far in advance. It would just be theory. What is the question behind the question? Which means without ayanamsa, sun at VE will be in tropical Virgo (that is 180 degrees from sideral if ayamamsa is not used.). Tropical Virgo is september. I don't see the point of any of this. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. The thing is that the two frames of reference are different in an entirely different way than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are different. Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal are two different ways of measuring the same thing; but what you're measuring when you want to know where the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something else entirely. OK, in your view,what is it? If you can't clearly explain it, it might be becasue your thinking is not clear on this topic. You appear to think tropically that the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox is different from the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox the sun is also in aries, tropically in the day-to-dproblay position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Not...that's where your problem lies here, HAHAHA. Well someones' problem lies in this point. See visual example I just posted. Its clearly one frame of reference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
In a message dated 1/31/06 11:31:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is one reason the democrats will be very unlikely to take control of the House and Senate, the democratic base is too freaky. The Republicans are the freaks. No, Republicans are the majority. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
In a message dated 1/31/06 11:39:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A two-party system is freaky... So your suggestion is three party system, dictatorship, monarchy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/06 11:39:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A two-party system is freaky... So your suggestion is three party system, dictatorship, monarchy? Multi party with IRV -- instant runoff off voting. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 1:24 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: If you agree to the general overall point (regardless of small variations and simplifications) in each of the above 8 points, it logically follows that you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka around september? All celestial calcs in jyotish programs are done in tropical. Then adjusted by ayanamsa to sideral. So like it or not, you are indirectly interested in tropical. :) Ok.do you agree that in 13000 years the appropriate sideral ayanamsa is 180 degrees, and that sun at VE will be in sideral Aries? I doubt it is possible to predict that far in advance. It would just be theory. What is the question behind the question? Which means without ayanamsa, sun at VE will be in tropical Virgo (that is 180 degrees from sideral if ayamamsa is not used.). Tropical Virgo is september. I don't see the point of any of this. The basic point is understanding what precession of the equinox means. And its impacts long run such as long run weather cycles, human migration and civilization growth/decay impacts, and how correspondence to long-run jyotish cycles may correspond correspond to the latter. All scientists appear to agree that the precession of the equinox means that the position of the sun at Vernal equinox in its eliptical annual trip around the 12 constellations receeds about one degree every 72 years. Which is roughly one days travel of the sun. Thus, slowly the date of the real VE is getting earlier and earlier as the sun gets to the new VE from the old one in less 360 degrees = less than 365.25 days. All of that is important to understand for jyotish, long run weather cycles, long run astronomy, and general competence in knowing how the world works. Sun at VE in 13000 is just an eye-catching example to people to realize that assumptions that work well in a 200 year span, don't always work well in long spans time. And makes a good story to tell at VE. You know you kids arent going to have spring break any more in 13000 years. 19 year old blondes love this stuff. haha. Barry might pick up some more one night stands if his Woody (no pun) Allen story fails. And its all a good brain tonic to visualize this stuff. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. If you don't know if the former frame of reference is Tropical, I suggest that you are not really clear on the difference between sideral and tropical, and this is the root ofg your difficulty. And the source of your imaginery two unexplainable frames of reference that you keep citing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/06 11:31:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is one reason the democrats will be very unlikely to take control of the House and Senate, the democratic base is too freaky. The Republicans are the freaks. No, Republicans are the majority. Yes, having a bunch of freaky republicans in the majority is Friggin Freaky. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. Nope, didn't. You misunderstood what I was talking about. The thing is that the two frames of reference are different in an entirely different way than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are different. Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal are two different ways of measuring the same thing; but what you're measuring when you want to know where the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something else entirely. OK, in your view,what is it? If you can't clearly explain it, it might be becasue your thinking is not clear on this topic. What I'm *very* clear on is that spring doesn't end up coming in September 13,000 years hence. What I'm not clear on is how to explain your muddle to you so that you can correct your model. You appear to think tropically that the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox is different from the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. You appear to have made a distinction in language,inyour mind, that does not correspond to a distinction in the world. If, tropically, the sun is in aries in the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox the sun is also in aries, tropically in the day-to-dproblay position of the sun in the Zodiac frame of reference. Same observational RP, same calculational RP. Not...that's where your problem lies here, HAHAHA. Well someones' problem lies in this point. See visual example I just posted. Its clearly one frame of reference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. If you don't know if the former frame of reference is Tropical, I suggest that you are not really clear on the difference between sideral and tropical No, I'm quite clear on that. It just has nothing to do with the date of the vernal equinox. , and this is the root ofg your difficulty. And the source of your imaginery two unexplainable frames of reference that you keep citing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. Nope, didn't. You misunderstood what I was talking about. The thing is that the two frames of reference are different in an entirely different way than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are different. Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal are two different ways of measuring the same thing; but what you're measuring when you want to know where the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something else entirely. OK, in your view,what is it? If you can't clearly explain it, it might be becasue your thinking is not clear on this topic. What I'm *very* clear on is that spring doesn't end up coming in September 13,000 years hence. And you know this to be true? And how do know this to be true? You have posted a lot but never explained. Its like a priori. What I'm not clear on is how to explain your muddle My muddle? What part dont you get? Are you sure its my muddle and not your muddled understanding of what precession of the equinox, sideral and tropical really mean. You just said you don't know if the above is tropical or not. Yet if you had a clear understanding of what tropical is, you would not be muddled. to you so that you can correct your model. My visual model? You can't even figure that out? My, my. This explains a lot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. If you don't know if the former frame of reference is Tropical, I suggest that you are not really clear on the difference between sideral and tropical No, I'm quite clear on that. It just has nothing to do with the date of the vernal equinox. Did you just say knowing what sideral is (which you need to know the difference between sideral and tropical) has nothing to due with the date of the vernal equinox? Did you really say That? Oh judy. Sorry. You are really lost here. You are arguing things you know nothing about. If you like I will post an explanation as to why knowing what sideral is has everything to due with the date of the vernal equinox. But somehow I am guessing you dont care to learn. You want to stick to non-explainable a priori positions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/06 11:31:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is one reason the democrats will be very unlikely to take control of the House and Senate, the democratic base is too freaky. The Republicans are the freaks. No, Republicans are the majority. They're still freaks, tyrants, liars, dishonest, greedy, evil and un-American. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] East is always east
This helps if east is only determined by the earths rotational poles. Then the rising point of the sun and the stars in the background are irrelevant for determining east. The stars were used for determining direction thousands of years ago, when no other methods were available, but nowadays we can just use a compass. --- Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rick, Could you post this on ffl? - I have noted the big correspondence on the matter of east. East is an earth-based direction and is always the same. This helps if east is only determined by the earths rotational poles. Then the rising point of the sun and the stars in the background are irrelevant for determining east. The pole does wobble round to point at different parts of the sky, but the axis of rotation does not significantly change relative to the surface of the earth. That is why the pyramids in Egypt and Stonehenge in Britain are still perfectly aligned after over 4,500 years. If they're still lined-up then true east always remains the same for earth. It's just the celestial background that changes. Regards, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm *very* clear on is that spring doesn't end up coming in September 13,000 years hence. And of course you know you are misrepresnting what I said, putting your spin on it. I have said that the vernal equinox -- defined as the day on which the sun rises due east, will occur in the time of year we currently refer to as september 13000 years from now. The sun will be in the tropical constellation of virgo. And you know this to be true? And how do know this to be true? You have posted a lot but never explained. Its like a priori. What I'm not clear on is how to explain your muddle My muddle? What part dont you get? Are you sure its my muddle and not your muddled understanding of what precession of the equinox, sideral and tropical really mean. You just said you don't know if the above is tropical or not. Yet if you had a clear understanding of what tropical is, you would not be muddled. to you so that you can correct your model. My visual model? You can't even figure that out? My, my. This explains a lot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. Nope, didn't. You misunderstood what I was talking about. Gabby: Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Judy: No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical or Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. Ok Guess I still dont get your point. . I said you were confusing a sideral and tropical frame, you said they were both tropical, then you said you were not sure if one was tropical. Then you said I was confused. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1795.html Will the equinoxes and solstices switch places in 13,000 years because of the precession of the Earth's rotation axis? No, there will be no swapping of the seasons and the months of the year. The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000 years. The result is that the two points where the equator of the Earth intersect the ecliptic plane, the vernal and autumnal equinoxes, precess westward along the ecliptic by 360 degrees per 25,800 years or 50.26 seconds of arc per year. This is also equal to 0.125 seconds of arc per day or 0.008 seconds of time, so that each day the synchronization between sidereal and solar time slips a bit. Currently, the vernal equinox which heralds the beginning of spring occurs in the constellation of Pisces, but it is slowly moving towards the constellation of Aquarius and will arrive there in a few hundred years or so. The seasons of the year are produced by the tilt of the axis of the Earth, and this tilt is not disturbed by the precession, but remains exactly the same with respect to the ecliptic plane. Currently in the northern hemisphere, the Earth is tilted TOWARDS the Sun by 23.5 degrees when the Earth is at its farthest from the Sun ( aphelion ) in June, and we experience summer. In the winter it is tilted AWAY from the Sun today. Because our calendar year and its seasons are tied to when the equinoxes occur, it automatically keeps up with the precession, so that in 13,000 years we will have the following situation: The axis of the Earth will be tilted TOWARDS the Sun by 23.5 degrees when the Earth is closest to the Sun ( perihelion) in the northern hemisphere in JUNE, and tilted AWAY from the Sun when it is closest to the Sun in December. Each day, our calendar is gradually 'precessing' in time by 0.008 seconds to keep up with the new locations of the equinoxes and solstices so no matter where we are in the precession cycle, winter will always happen in December, and Summer in June. BUT because in the northern hemisphere in 13,000 years we will be closer to the Sun for our summer, and farther for our winter, the severity of these seasons will be slightly greater. What will also change is the constellation that the summer solstice will be in. In 13,000 years the summer solstice will travel 1/2 of a full cycle around the zodiac. Will we still celebrate winter in December and summer in June in the northern hemisphere? Yes, and we will also see Orion as a summer constellation in 13,000 years. Precession affects the background constellations against which the Earth-Sun motion plays itself out. It does not affect the months during which the seasons occur, because these are constantly being updated to keep the vernal equinox in March etc. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. Nope, didn't. You misunderstood what I was talking about. Gabby: Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Judy: No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical or Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. Ok Guess I still dont get your point. . I said you were confusing a sideral and tropical frame, you said they were both tropical, Nope, never said they were both tropical. (Be sure you understand what the antecedent of they is.) then you said you were not sure if one was tropical. Then you said I was confused. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You said: As I suggested earlier, the day-to-day position of the sun in the Zodiac is an entirely different frame of reference from the position of the sun from year to year at the time of the vernal equinox. In the latter frame of reference, this year the sun will be in Pisces at the time of the vernal equinox (it'll enter Aquarius in 2013). However, in the former frame of reference, this year the sun will be in the first degree of Aries at the vernal equinox. You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. The thing is that the two frames of. reference are different in an entirely different way than the Tropical/Sidereal frames of reference are different. Or to put it another way, Tropical/Sidereal are two different ways of measuring the same thing; but what you're measuring when you want to know where the vernal equinox occurs in 13,000 years is something else entirely. You're getting day-to-day confused with year-to-year. And how is that? Use the single frame of reference of an earth-cenetirc view as I suggested in my Visual Model. The sun moves 360 degrees through all 12 constellations in one year. It moves about one degree in one day, about 1/30 of a constellation. Its the same frame of reference, just different distances. In that one day, one degree move, the centric-earth is also rotating once. At vernal equinox it spins and the sun rises on the horizon at due east. The only day of the year this occurs. Then sun rotates around the earth (earth centric view) 72 times. 72 years. Now the VE point, where the sun rises due east, is 359 degrees from the sun at VE 72 years prior. The sun arrives at this point one day earlier in the calendar compared to 72 years prior because it had to travel one degree less in its annual transit. (of course physically the earth rotates around the sun, but the same as above can be expressed from that POV.) Its all one frame, one consitent POV. You are stumbling on a second imaginary frame thats only in your head. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You above clarified that in your view that both points of reference are tropical. The obsevational reference is the same. I don't even know if the former frame of reference is Tropical. Ok, you said before they were both tropical. Nope, didn't. You misunderstood what I was talking about. Gabby: Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Judy: No, I'm just assuming Tropical. The same frame-of- reference principle holds whether it's Tropical or Sidereal. In their own context, Tropical versus Sidereal are also different frames of reference, but that's not the difference I'm talking about here. Ok Guess I still dont get your point. . I said you were confusing a sideral and tropical frame, you said they were both tropical, Nope, never said they were both tropical. (Be sure you understand what the antecedent of they is.) OK but they is not the issue. Gabby: Though in the same spot, tropical view puts it in Aries, and sideral view puts it in Pisces. I think thats where you are confusing your frames. Judy: No, I'm just assuming Tropical. - Doesn't that refer to assuming tropical for both frames that I refer to? then you said you were not sure if one was tropical. Then you said I was confused. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.astronomycafe.net/qadir/q1795.html Will the equinoxes and solstices switch places in 13,000 years because of the precession of the Earth's rotation axis? No, there will be no swapping of the seasons and the months of the year. And no one said there would be. You are perhaps creating a strawman -- refuting something never suggested, and claiming that you have addressed the question at hand. Which is: does the position of the sun at VE receed at about 1 degree every 72 years, thus it reaches that point one day earlier on the calendar than it did 72 years earlier. This is not speculation. Its mainstream science. Long run, in 13000 years, the math will show VE to 180 degrees from where it is now. Maybe hard to swallow, but its the implication of well accepted celestial mechanics. The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000 years. On average 23.5 degrees but due to factors other than precesson it can vary +- 2 degrees or so. The result is that the two points where the equator of the Earth intersect the ecliptic plane, the vernal and autumnal equinoxes, precess westward along the ecliptic by 360 degrees per 25,800 years or 50.26 seconds of arc per year. This is also equal to 0.125 seconds of arc per day or 0.008 seconds of time, so that each day the synchronization between sidereal and solar time slips a bit. Currently, the vernal equinox which heralds the beginning of spring occurs in the constellation of Pisces, but it is slowly moving towards the constellation of Aquarius and will arrive there in a few hundred years or so. yes. The seasons of the year are produced by the tilt of the axis of the Earth, and this tilt is not disturbed by the precession, but remains exactly thsee same with respect to the ecliptic plane. Thats fine, but you that has little to do with the point at hand: that the position of the sun at VE receeds at about 1 degree every 72 years, thus it reaches that point one day earlier on the calendar than it did 72 years earlier. Currently in the northern hemisphere, the Earth is tilted TOWARDS the Sun by 23.5 degrees when the Earth is at its farthest from the Sun ( aphelion ) in June, and we experiencer summer. In the winter it is tilted AWAY from the Sun today. Because our calendar year and its seasons are tied to when the equinoxes occur, it automatically keeps up with the precession, so that in 13,000 years we will have the following situation: The axis of the Earth will be tilted TOWARDS the Sun by 23.5 degrees when the Earth is closest to the Sun ( perihelion) in the northern hemisphere in JUNE, and tilted AWAY from the Sun when it is closest to the Sun in December. Each day, our calendar is gradually 'precessing' in time by 0.008 seconds to keep up with the new locations of the equinoxes and solstices so no matter where we are in the precession cycle, winter will always happen in December, and Summer in June. No argument. That is what I have been saying. BUT because in the northern hemisphere in 13,000 years we will be closer to the Sun for our summer, and farther for our winter, the severity of these seasons will be slightly greater. Yes, long term climate cycles will be generated from the long-run variations of the distance of lattitudes to the sun. What will also change is the constellation that the summer solstice will be in. In 13,000 years the summer solstice will travel 1/2 of a full cycle around the zodiac. Yes exactly. As will the position of the sun at vernal equinox, it will rotate 180 degrees in 13000 years. The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 1300o years !!! WHICH IS THE ONE POINT I HAVE BEEN MAKING. Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts. (Though in sideral systems, the ayanamsa will be 180 degrees and Jyotish will call tropical region of virgo Pisces) Will we still celebrate winter in December and summer in June in the northern hemisphere? Yes, Of course. Who said anything different? and we will also see Orion as a summer constellation in 13,000 years. Precession affects the background constellations against which the Earth-Sun motion plays itself out. It does not affect the months during which the seasons occur, Right. September sill be September. Summer/autumn weather (though other factors may modify this). because these are constantly being updated to keep the vernal equinox in March etc. WHOA! I agree with everything you have said up now. Earlier you said. What will also change
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
doctor_gabby_savy wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/06 11:39:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A two-party system is freaky... So your suggestion is three party system, dictatorship, monarchy? Multi party with IRV -- instant runoff off voting. Yup, multi-party and instant runoffs would be the way to go. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
Good suggestions, but I don't know about Irv, though--nice guy, but not really the party type. :) Sal On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Bhairitu wrote: >>A two-party system is freaky... >> >> >> >>So your suggestion is three party system, dictatorship, monarchy? >> >> > > >Multi party with IRV
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good suggestions, but I don't know about Irv, though--nice guy, but not really the party type. :) Sal IRV will rock your world, Sal. :) On Jan 31, 2006, at 12:06 PM, Bhairitu wrote: A two-party system is freaky... So your suggestion is three party system, dictatorship, monarchy? Multi party with IRV Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo? Have you ever thought your train is moving, when it's actually the train next to yours that's doing that? :) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo? Have you ever thought your train is moving, when it's actually the train next to yours that's doing that? :) Yea. And I wonder if it was going half the speed of light, and a guy on the roof had a base ball gun (for batting practice) shot balls forwards and backwards at half the speed of light, how fast each ball would be going? And if he shined flashlights forwards and backwards, how fast each beam would be traveling? And if my train were moving half the speed of light, in the opposite direction, how fast I would find them traveling? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts. Did you delete the post you made early in this thread in which you said something to the effect that you weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect spring break? I can't find it with Yahoo's search feature. In any case, you *have* insisted that the vernal equinox (i.e., the beginning of spring) will be in September, which seems to be a pretty clear statement that spring will be in fall. snip What will also change is the constellation that the summer solstice will be in. In 13,000 years the summer solstice will travel 1/2 of a full cycle around the zodiac. Thus in 13000 years the VE will be 180 degrees from its current position in Pisces, shifting to virgo. In tropical view, virgo is September and the earth is comimg out of summer (when N Hem. is tilted towards the sun) and into autumn. How can vernal equinox possibly be in March when in Virgo? The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox can be in Virgo without its being September. That's what gullible fool is trying to tell you, I believe. One does not dictate the other. They're two different frames of reference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, it took me one...count them, ONE...Google search to find exactly what he was talking about, including several news articles. Anyone with half a brain would have Googled on the name of the law itself. Judy (authfriend) [EMAIL PROTECTED] then wrote: For the record, I couldn't find it on the NYTimes site either. I think Michael may have misremembered where he saw the piece. Dear Judy, Thanks for bringing this up in such a reasonable way, compared to the hysterical flaming that others have so easily been nudged into during the past few days. Here are the facts: I subscribe to an e-mail newsletter, published weekly by the NY Times, called Circuits - a NY Times digest of technology news. I received this week's NY Times Circuits digest on 26 Jan 06 - and that same day I wrote the post about it for this list. I slept on that post overnight as I usually do, looked at it again the next morn- ing, edited it a bit to make sure it clearly reflected what I wanted to say, and posted the info to FFLife the day after I got it from an official NY Times publication. You can access that NY Times techno- logy digest by going to the following link (which all needs to be on one line in case Yahoo breaks it up). You may have to be a NY Times member to access it - they don't charge anything to sign up.) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/technology/circuits/26POGUE-EMAIL.html The author of Circuits, David Pogue, had a link in his lead article which leads to the information I quoted. Although the link was sent to me by the NY Times - the link actually leads to an article on news.com, authored by Declan McCullagh, Chief Political Correspondent, CNETnews. com, entitled Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail. Here is the link to that article as given in the NY Times Circuits digest (again, remember to put it all back on one line): http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3- 6022491.html?part=rsstag=6022491subj=news If you read the whole article, you'll see that for brevity and to stay on point, I didn't quote it all, just the parts that I felt were rele- vant, especially the parts that introduce and quote the new Federal law. So my statements in my original post were accurate: 1. It WAS info published by the NY Times. 2. It WAS published by the NY Times on the date that I said (or the day before if you take into account that I held my post back till the next morning). 3. It IS a real, fairly recent (and disturbing) Federal law. Beyond that, opinions about how this law will be applied, how it will be interpreted by courts, appeals courts, etc., what it was intended to be applied to, what it WILL be applied to...that is up to each of us to figure out - and to watch unfold over time. I really doubt whether sincere, thoughtful opinions about any of that will be affected by whether it was actually published by the NY Times or by other news agencies, or by whether it became law that day, the day before, or a few weeks before. People that Judy is responding to, who made a big deal of those and other peripheral points, are just creating a big fog of distraction - either to avoid the simple main point I was making, to create general confusion and argument, or to put me down because I irritate them. A wise man once said: The intellect supports the heart. To me that means that we will select evidence (what we look at, what we read, what we believe, what we choose to filter out and ignore) to support our deepest emotional needs, our life-script, our issues. We will find evidence to prove that we are right, that we are OK - to prove that we don't have to look into those dark places inside our- selves that we live to avoid. It's fascinating to see how some of the very people on this list who love to annoy people, to attack people, to argue, to diminish others - some of the bullies who feel so much need to puff themselves up by putting others down - feel so threatened by my reference to the new Federal law that might, even possibly, threaten their style. Look at how they jumped around, searched for and pounced on any commentator who wrote an opinion that supports the way they'd like the world to keep working, and then quoted it as though they've proved their case. Look at how they avoided the obvious, intelligent search mechanisms that calmer, more balanced people immediately used and reported here (Google, etc.). By their own research, they put stability back into their universe; they attack and diminish the messenger
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- Michael Dean Goodman wrote: you folks who joust and attack and bully and rant, hiding behind anonymity here - in my opinion you are simply cowards. Prove me wrong. Reveal yourselves. Take responsibility for your words. Step out of the shadows into the light. All right. So be it. My real name is Larry Domash. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
In a message dated 1/31/06 2:46:15 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Republicans are the freaks.No, Republicans are the majority.Yes, having a bunch of freaky republicans in the majority is Friggin Freaky. Only to a freak! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts. Did you delete the post you made early in this thread in which you said something to the effect that you weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect spring break? HOLY Shit. Have you no sense of humor? That line was a joke. What else could it have been I can't find it with Yahoo's search feature. In any case, you *have* insisted that the vernal equinox (i.e., the beginning of spring) will be in September, which seems to be a pretty clear statement that spring will be in fall. Perhaps you read my posts selectively. You ignored my 8 points for sometime -- for all i know you did not read them. In those points and periodically after I clearly define VE as the day that the the sun rises from due east. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Off the medication again, Michael? :) Are you feeling annoyed yet? Sal On Jan 31, 2006, at 6:27 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: It's fascinating to see how some of the very people on this list who love to annoy people, to attack people, to argue, to diminish others - some of the bullies who feel so much need to puff themselves up by putting others down - feel so threatened by my reference to the new Federal law that might, even possibly, threaten their style. Look at how they jumped around, searched for and pounced on any commentator who wrote an opinion that supports the way they'd like the world to keep working, and then quoted it as though they've proved their case. Look at how they avoided the obvious, intelligent search mechanisms that calmer, more balanced people immediately used and reported here (Google, etc.). By their own research, they put stability back into their universe; they attack and diminish the messenger (me); they feel safe; they feel big; they feel in control. But really, look at what it took to control THEM, to set them in mo- tion, to turn on their predictable response patterns. Look at what it took to get them to perform like trained monkeys! Look at what it took to elicit so many e-mails from them, so much attacking of me, so much of their time and attention spent on such silliness. It took just a few paragraphs of typing by me in that original post. So who's in control of whom here? It's amusing. ;)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do they at least give free pizza? Sal and beer I would hope. lurk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox can be in Virgo without its being September. Really? And exactly how does that work? Its September when sun is in (tropical) virgo today. Assuming we don't change calendar systems. it will be in 500 years, 5000 years and 13000 years. Precsession of of the eqinox does not effect this. By what mechanism are you suggesting that sun in virgo will not be Sept in 13000 years? what gullible fool is trying to tell you, I believe. HAHAHA. Well let GF stand up and say it. And let him explain the above. One does not dictate the other. They're two different frames of reference. The sun is in virgo in September. Where in Gods name are two frames of reference HAHAHAH. you are so funny Judy. Again what mechanism gets sun out of (tropical) virgo in or around September? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
In a message dated 1/31/06 7:15:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nice image. A busload of delicate MD ladies pulls up to their newhomes to find a bunch of good ol' FF boys passed out and /or waking upburping from too much pizza and beer. Better yet, sleeping in their beds when they arrive! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox can be in Virgo without its being September. At least its nice you apparently finally see that VE can be in Virgo in 13000 years. That it moves 180 degrees (tropically) from Pisces to Aires. That has been my main point for 2 days now. Its true, AND there are not two frames of reference in this view. That sun in virgo occurs in or around sept I thought was quite obvious. What mechanism would change ir? I mean when in the last 13000 years has sun in tropical Virgo not been in/around September? (in quotes, because calendar systems have clearly changed, but per modern calendar, sun in tropical virgo was in/around modern tropical September 500 years ago, 5000 years ago and 13000 years ago.) Show me a sun in tropical virgo that was not in (modern calendar) September? So obvious that sun in tropical virgo occurs in or around sept I thought most would easily get the add on point to the above main point(ve in virgo) : if sun at VE in 13000 years is in tropical virgo, and sun in tropical virgo is always in/around september , then VE in 13000 would be in September. A surprising insight which I figured many would enjoy the sharing of. Another angle on why sun in tropical virgo is always in September. Precession of the equinox means the sun at VE is only 359 degrees from the prior sun position at VE 72 years earlier. Thus the sun reaches this new sun/VE point about a calendar day earlier than 72 years previously. In 13000 years, everyone appears to agree that the sun at VE will be in tropical virgo, 180 degrees from the current VE which occurs in March. The 15006 position of sun at VE, being only 180 degrees from the 2006 sun at VE position, the sun will reach this point in only six months from the 2006 position. Six months of travel by the sun, from March (2006 sun in VE position) will be September. The 15005 sun at VE must occur in September. The fact that sun at VE in 15006 is also in tropical Virgo, and tropical Virgo ALWAYS occurs in/around September, is a separate point of support. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 31, 2006, at 3:29 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:The basic point is understanding what precession of the equinox means. And its impacts long run such as long run weather cycles, human migration and civilization growth/decay impacts, and how correspondence to long-run jyotish cycles may correspond correspond to the latter.The frustrating thing is, when I was taught astronomy in college, there was one simple diagram which explained this perfectly: a diagram of the plane of the ecliptic and the earths orbit. Where these two intersected, you had the equinoxes. When these two "rings" rotated in regards to one another, the equinox points changed, they precessed. It was both befuddling and elegantly simple. All scientists appear to agree that the precession of the equinox means that the position of the sun at Vernal equinox in its eliptical annual trip around the 12 constellations receeds about one degree every 72 years. Which is roughly one days travel of the sun. Thus, slowly the date of the real VE is getting earlier and earlier as the sun gets to the new VE from the old one in less 360 degrees = less than 365.25 days. Yes but one thing to keep in mind, the calendar will also change. All of that is important to understand for jyotish, long run weather cycles, long run astronomy, and general competence in knowing how the world works.Well you might enjoy reading on the Milankovitch cycles then. Sun at VE in 13000 is just an eye-catching example to people to realize that assumptions that work well in a 200 year span, don't always work well in long spans time. And makes a good story to tell at VE. "You know you kids arent going to have spring break any more in 13000 years." 19 year old blondes love this stuff. haha. Barry might pick up some more one night stands if his Woody (no pun) Allen story fails. And its all a good brain tonic to visualize this stuff. As long as we recognize that the calendar will change to accommodate these rather slow changes. The equinoctial points will move to different areas on the ecliptic, but so will our months and their seasons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
On Jan 31, 2006, at 5:38 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: The precession of the equinoxes of the Earth is a motion that causes the axis of the Earth's rotation to remain FIXED at an angle of 23.5 degrees, however, it rotates along a great circle with a period of 26,000 years. On average 23.5 degrees but due to factors other than precesson it can vary +- 2 degrees or so. Yes. Nutation, a approx. 2.5 degree change in the axis does, and it is believed to affect changes in climate. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I checked the last 50 or so Technology arttices in the NYTimes. And the last 50 or so articles in the Washington section. Could't find anything close to what the poster cited. So I did a search on anonymous and seperately on annoy. There are no articles in the past week containing these words that appear to have anything to do with what the poster says he read. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Well, it took me one...count them, ONE...Google search to find exactly what he was talking about, including several news articles. Anyone with half a brain would have Googled on the name of the law itself. Judy (authfriend) [EMAIL PROTECTED] then wrote: For the record, I couldn't find it on the NYTimes site either. I think Michael may have misremembered where he saw the piece. Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Judy, Thanks for bringing this up in such a reasonable way, compared to the hysterical flaming that others have so easily been nudged into during the past few days. Here are the facts: I subscribe to an e-mail newsletter, published weekly by the NY Times, called Circuits - a NY Times digest of technology news. I received this week's NY Times Circuits digest on 26 Jan 06 - and that same day I wrote the post about it for this list. I slept on that post overnight as I usually do, looked at it again the next morn- ing, edited it a bit to make sure it clearly reflected what I wanted to say, and posted the info to FFLife the day after I got it from an official NY Times publication. You can access that NY Times techno- logy digest by going to the following link (which all needs to be on one line in case Yahoo breaks it up). You may have to be a NY Times member to access it - they don't charge anything to sign up.) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/technology/circuits/26POGUE-EMAIL.html Huge snip here It's fascinating to see how some of the very people on this list who love to annoy people, to attack people, to argue, to diminish others - some of the bullies who feel so much need to puff themselves up by putting others down - feel so threatened by my reference to the new Federal law that might, even possibly, threaten their style. Look at how they jumped around, searched for and pounced on any commentator who wrote an opinion that supports the way they'd like the world to keep working, and then quoted it as though they've proved their case. Look at how they avoided the obvious, intelligent search mechanisms that calmer, more balanced people immediately used and reported here (Google, etc.). By their own research, they put stability back into their universe; they attack and diminish the messenger (me); they feel safe; they feel big; they feel in control. snip P.P.S. And to the poster who asked if I was implying that I planned to make use of this new law (to harm FF Life?). The answer is: no. It often amazes me how people read things through the filter of their own issues. Where would you get even a hint of that from anything I actually wrote, or from my history here since the very beginning of this list years ago? If I don't like someone's energy here, I just simply don't read their stuff (delete key or filter-direct-to-trash), or if I read it I control myself and don't reply. And if I didn't like the general tone of the whole group, I could just simply stop reading the digests for a while, or unsubscribe. (All of these are skills that, if more widely practiced by some here, would make life more charming for many.) But if I did that (unsubscribed), how could I keep my finger (attention) on the pulse of the good and the evil here, and pass it all along to Santa Clause or whoever is making a list? ;) snip Namaste, Michael Nicely put, Michael. It seems to me that much of FFL is a different place than it was a few years ago. There are wonderful discussions, good laughs, and such knowledgable people here. But I skip many of the posts these days because they are so hostile - from a subset of people looking to engage each other by jumping on a word's implied meaning, an assumed criticism, the personality or character of someone they've never met, on and on. I'm not sure why they are here on FFL at all. Why not email each other on the side or better yet, just call each other on the phone and work out these issues and conflicts between each other, rather than taking up space on FFL? The tone of this kind of stuff is off, unpleasant, and it feels as if a portion of FFL has been hijacked. And since I am complaining, here's another peeve: people who routinely post 5 or 10 posts in a row. You know who you are. Occasionally getting so excited by a topic that you can't control yourself is fine. But most of these numerous, consecutive posts are so meaningless. It is a guarantee that you will be ignored and go unread. I know I skip
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 3:29 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: The basic point is understanding what precession of the equinox means. And its impacts long run such as long run weather cycles, human migration and civilization growth/decay impacts, and how correspondence to long-run jyotish cycles may correspond correspond to the latter. The frustrating thing is, when I was taught astronomy in college, there was one simple diagram which explained this perfectly: a diagram of the plane of the ecliptic and the earths orbit. Where these two intersected, you had the equinoxes. When these two rings rotated in regards to one another, the equinox points changed, they precessed. It was both befuddling and elegantly simple. All scientists appear to agree that the precession of the equinox means that the position of the sun at Vernal equinox in its eliptical annual trip around the 12 constellations receeds about one degree every 72 years. Which is roughly one days travel of the sun. Thus, slowly the date of the real VE is getting earlier and earlier as the sun gets to the new VE from the old one in less 360 degrees = less than 365.25 days. Yes but one thing to keep in mind, the calendar will also change. All of that is important to understand for jyotish, long run weather cycles, long run astronomy, and general competence in knowing how the world works. Well you might enjoy reading on the Milankovitch cycles then. I have been . And about interglacetion periods such as we are in -- sort of high temperature plateau, a 50-100 k years vacations from our larger 3-4 million year ice age we are in, that essentially allowed civilization to get a start. It had a false start two interglacetion periods ago, but humans were wiped out before the major ice age recommenced. And Collapse. Sun at VE in 13000 is just an eye-catching example to people to realize that assumptions that work well in a 200 year span, don't always work well in long spans time. And makes a good story to tell at VE. You know you kids arent going to have spring break any more in 13000 years. 19 year old blondes love this stuff. haha. Barry might pick up some more one night stands if his Woody (no pun) Allen story fails. And its all a good brain tonic to visualize this stuff. As long as we recognize that the calendar will change to accommodate these rather slow changes. The equinoctial points will move to different areas on the ecliptic, but so will our months and their seasons. My thesis assumes the modern current calendar. Not that I expect that will be used in 13000 years. But using the current system, sun in tropical virgo will still be in september. And the sun at VE in 15006 will be in tropical virgo. We can slowly shift calendar March to September over the next 13000 years -- but there is no current mechanism to do that. That you could create such a fix in the future does not change my basic points. I think the author of the article GF posted is making this assumption about future tweaks to the calendar so in 15006 sun at VE in Virgo will be in March. He has an obscure sentence about adjustments. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts. Did you delete the post you made early in this thread in which you said something to the effect that you weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect spring break? HOLY Shit. Have you no sense of humor? That line was a joke. What else could it have been Yes, obviously it was a joke. What difference does that make? Did you delete it? I can't find it with Yahoo's search feature. In any case, you *have* insisted that the vernal equinox (i.e., the beginning of spring) will be in September, which seems to be a pretty clear statement that spring will be in fall. Perhaps you read my posts selectively. You ignored my 8 points for sometime -- for all i know you did not read them. In those points and periodically after I clearly define VE as the day that the the sun rises from due east. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The sun's position at the time of the vernal equinox can be in Virgo without its being September. At least its nice you apparently finally see that VE can be in Virgo in 13000 years. Never said it couldn't, of course. That it moves 180 degrees (tropically) from Pisces to Aires. That has been my main point for 2 days now. Its true, AND there are not two frames of reference in this view. Right, the other frame of reference is the date of the vernal equinox. Instead of yapping on and on and on, just take a few minutes and THINK about what I just said. That sun in virgo occurs in or around sept I thought was quite obvious. What mechanism would change ir? I mean when in the last 13000 years has sun in tropical Virgo not been in/around September? (in quotes, because calendar systems have clearly changed, but per modern calendar, sun in tropical virgo was in/around modern tropical September 500 years ago, 5000 years ago and 13000 years ago.) Show me a sun in tropical virgo that was not in (modern calendar) September? So obvious that sun in tropical virgo occurs in or around sept I thought most would easily get the add on point to the above main point(ve in virgo) : if sun at VE in 13000 years is in tropical virgo, and sun in tropical virgo is always in/around september , then VE in 13000 would be in September. A surprising insight which I figured many would enjoy the sharing of. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:32 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote:My thesis assumes the modern current calendar. Not that I expect that will be used in 13000 years. But using the current system, sun in tropical virgo will still be in september. And the sun at VE in 15006 will be in tropical virgo.Yes but when you use the current system you are ignoring the fact that it is and will be adjusted based on the equinoctial point which are used to determine the seasons. The current calendar, despite it's problems is followed for adjustment. We can slowly shift calendar March to September over the next 13000 years -- but there is no current mechanism to do that.Then you might want to read a little on calendars, reform, etc. Most certainly it will be changed since these well known points correspond to our seasons and our months. That you could create such a fix in the future does not change my basic points.No, just it does not make sense to refer to something as occurring in some imaginary September which will never exist. I think the author of the article GF posted is making this assumption about future tweaks to the calendar so in 15006 sun at VE in Virgo will be in "March". He has an obscure sentence about adjustments. Yes, this whole idea is well known and accepted by astronomers and others. I'll have to look, but I believe the Surya Siddhanta provides for such calendrical reform. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East - Finally, the last word
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Some have made large cognitive errors in reading my posts and have interpreted The VE will be in tropical Virgo in 13000 years to be spring will be in fall. That is muddled reading and thinking, but is the distortion generating most of the rounds of recent posts. Did you delete the post you made early in this thread in which you said something to the effect that you weren't sure how this purported phenomenon would affect spring break? HOLY Shit. Have you no sense of humor? That line was a joke. What else could it have been Yes, obviously it was a joke. What difference does that make? Did you delete it? No. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [...] So you agree that in 13000 years, tropical sun is in virgo, aka around september? But is Virgo in September by that time? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Judy (authfriend) [EMAIL PROTECTED] then wrote: Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Judy, snip Nicely put, Michael. It seems to me that much of FFL is a different place than it was a few years ago. There are wonderful discussions, good laughs, and such knowledgable people here. But I skip many of the posts these days because they are so hostile - from a subset of people looking to engage each other by jumping on a word's implied meaning, an assumed criticism, the personality or character of someone they've never met, on and on. I'm not sure why they are here on FFL at all. Why not email each other on the side or better yet, just call each other on the phone and work out these issues and conflicts between each other, rather than taking up space on FFL? The tone of this kind of stuff is off, unpleasant, and it feels as if a portion of FFL has been hijacked. And since I am complaining, here's another peeve: people who routinely post 5 or 10 posts in a row. You know who you are. Occasionally getting so excited by a topic that you can't control yourself is fine. But most of these numerous, consecutive posts are so meaningless. It is a guarantee that you will be ignored and go unread. I know I skip these automatically. A suggestion: read the prior posts on a topic - all of them - think for a minute - then collect your thoughts - and post, once. +++ Great idea- second the motion. I have to wonder how East can be the basis for so much controversy with its being an arbitrary designation on an insignificant planet in a minor solar system in a galaxy 0n the edge of etc. etc. I would think it should be a minute detail to the enlightened. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Impeachment of George Bush
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/31/06 11:39:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A two-party system is freaky... So your suggestion is three party system, dictatorship, monarchy? The problem is in having national parties that trade control back and forth while ensuring that there can be no real competition from anyone else. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 31, 2006, at 9:32 PM, doctor_gabby_savy wrote: That you could create such a fix in the future does not change my basic points. No, just it does not make sense to refer to something as occurring in some imaginary September which will never exist. It makes sense to me. Its not a 13000 yr forecast. It was a thought experiment to test and my understanding of the mechanics and the implications of precession. Mission accomplished! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finding True East
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What I'm *very* clear on is that spring doesn't end up coming in September 13,000 years hence. And of course you know you are misrepresnting what I said, putting your spin on it. I have said that the vernal equinox -- defined as the day on which the sun rises due east, will occur in the time of year we currently refer to as september 13000 years from now. The sun will be in the tropical constellation of virgo. But our calander system accounts for the revolution of the earth aroundthe sun to keep important sun-related dates approximately the same over very long stretches of time. And we're willing to add seconds or minutes (or subtract them) when needed to keep the dates approximately the same over centuries. The fact that the constellations may change relative to the dates is well-known. The actual numerical date assigned to a given solor- related event will still be approximately the same for as long as we keep the calander system going because we fudge it every so often to keep it that way. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
Perhaps then you could post something of interest periodically. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wayback71 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: doctor_gabby_savy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded: Judy (authfriend) [EMAIL PROTECTED] then wrote: Michael Dean Goodman wrote: Dear Judy, snip Nicely put, Michael. It seems to me that much of FFL is a different place than it was a few years ago. There are wonderful discussions, good laughs, and such knowledgable people here. But I skip many of the posts these days because they are so hostile - from a subset of people looking to engage each other by jumping on a word's implied meaning, an assumed criticism, the personality or character of someone they've never met, on and on. I'm not sure why they are here on FFL at all. Why not email each other on the side or better yet, just call each other on the phone and work out these issues and conflicts between each other, rather than taking up space on FFL? The tone of this kind of stuff is off, unpleasant, and it feels as if a portion of FFL has been hijacked. And since I am complaining, here's another peeve: people who routinely post 5 or 10 posts in a row. You know who you are. Occasionally getting so excited by a topic that you can't control yourself is fine. But most of these numerous, consecutive posts are so meaningless. It is a guarantee that you will be ignored and go unread. I know I skip these automatically. A suggestion: read the prior posts on a topic - all of them - think for a minute - then collect your thoughts - and post, once. +++ Great idea- second the motion. I have to wonder how East can be the basis for so much controversy with its being an arbitrary designation on an insignificant planet in a minor solar system in a galaxy 0n the edge of etc. etc. I would think it should be a minute detail to the enlightened. N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
But did you read the comments to McCullagh's article? There is quite a thread there and he apologizes for posting a link to the wrong section of the law. Readers in that thread also dissected the law and discovered it didn't apply to forums, blogs, lists, and newsgroups but personal email. As a tech professional I saw the article when it was originally posted on News.com since that site is part of my daily reading and followed the controversy as it wound down. - Bhairtu (which is a handle) Michael Dean Goodman wrote: snip Dear Judy, Thanks for bringing this up in such a reasonable way, compared to the hysterical flaming that others have so easily been nudged into during the past few days. Here are the facts: I subscribe to an e-mail newsletter, published weekly by the NY Times, called Circuits - a NY Times digest of technology news. I received this week's NY Times Circuits digest on 26 Jan 06 - and that same day I wrote the post about it for this list. I slept on that post overnight as I usually do, looked at it again the next morn- ing, edited it a bit to make sure it clearly reflected what I wanted to say, and posted the info to FFLife the day after I got it from an official NY Times publication. You can access that NY Times techno- logy digest by going to the following link (which all needs to be on one line in case Yahoo breaks it up). You may have to be a NY Times member to access it - they don't charge anything to sign up.) http://www.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/technology/circuits/26POGUE-EMAIL.html The author of Circuits, David Pogue, had a link in his lead article which leads to the information I quoted. Although the link was sent to me by the NY Times - the link actually leads to an article on news.com, authored by Declan McCullagh, Chief Political Correspondent, CNETnews. com, entitled Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail. Here is the link to that article as given in the NY Times Circuits digest (again, remember to put it all back on one line): http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance,+go+to+jail/2010-1028_3- 6022491.html?part=rsstag=6022491subj=news snip Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Mike Love on his new album
Mike Love: There are all different types of love. I wrote a song in 1975 called Everyone's In Love with You, and it was a song observing people around Maharishi who really admired and loved him. But the song could fit for Mother Teresa, Jesus or anybody who devotes their life to others out of lovewhether it's a cause or humanity. It goes: Everyone's in love with you, but you can't fall in love with anyone. Everyone's in love with you, though you can't fall in love with only one. So many people have had their love affairs. They've had their loves to share like mine, but I tell you people, I've found something newa love of a different kind. There is that kind of love, and I've re-recorded that for a CD I've been working on over the last couple of years with Paul Fauerso, who is a teacher of TM and professor of music in Fairfield, Iowa at Maharishi University of Management. He's not there anymore, but that's how we met, through TM circles. Anyway, he produced this CD that's going to be coming out, hopefully, in the spring. There's another song on there that has to do with love, but it's about having a spiritual connection with somebody. It goes: Glow, crescent, glow, on that moon ship I want to go, billowing clouds like swollen sails, take me where there's love like in fairy tales. If earthly love is to ever last, I know that I must find one to share reflections of a love that is divine. I know until I find her, I will seek her everywhere and Venus, it's to you I sing my prayer. Glow, crescent, glow, on that moon ship I want to go, billowing clouds like swollen sails, take me where there's love like in fairy tales. http://www.healthywealthynwise.com/article.asp?Article=4033 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
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[FairfieldLife] WHAT! Re: Annoying someone via the internet is now a federal crime
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Need 90 people to help move Mother Divine to FF
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/30/06 10:56:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1. TEAMS OF 2 TO WORK ON ORGANIZING THE REMAINING BUILDINGS INCLUDING UNWRAPPING AND ARRANGING FURNITURE, NEATLY STACKING BOXES IN THE LOBBY FOR EACH RESIDENT, MAKING BEDS, CREATING MEDITATION AREAS FOR EACH PERSON, SETTING UP BATHS AND FINAL CLEANING. 2. TEAMS TO MOVE, ORGANIZE AND PUT SHEETS ON FOAM 3. TEAMS TO SET UP DINING HALLS 4. TEAMS TO SET UP MEETING HALLS 5. TEAMS TO SET UP OFFICES 6. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO TAKE AWAY TRASH FROM ALL THE BUILDINGS. TRASH REMOVAL SHOULD CONTINUE ALL DAY. 7. PEOPLE WITH PICK UP TRUCKS AND VANS TO DO FINAL MOVING OF FURNITURE AND BOXES THAT ARE IN THE WRONG BUILDINGS 8. MANY SPECIALIZED TASKS PLEASE STOP AT 11A FOR ASSIGNMENTS. All of you Sudras get to work so these lady Brahmins don't have to lift a finger and get stressed out. SPECIALIZED TASKS ? Sudra John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
