from:"Christopher J Chaltain"

I agree passcodes are not a silver bullet when it comes to security, but 
as my father used to say, Locks are just meant to keep honest people 
out. A passcode will keep someone from doing some casual snooping, and 
if I ever lose my iPhone, will give me time to contact my carrier and 
report it stolen, so whoever finds it can't run up a cell phone bill for 
me. I'm just explaining why I use a passcode. I'm not passing any 
judgement on anyone who does or doesn't use a passcode.


On 4/26/2015 1:58 PM, Aman Singer wrote:

Hi Jeremy and all,

Around fifteen years ago now, someone at Microsoft wrote something he
called the ten immutable laws of security
https://technet.microsoft.com/library/cc722487.aspx
The whole thing is worth reading, but one of the laws or more
accurately descriptions, says:

Law #3: If a bad guy has unrestricted physical access to your
computer, it's not your computer anymore

A smartphone is nothing more or less than a computer. The
passcode/fingerprint is simply security theatre, it makes things look
secure and may be secure against someone who doesn't have Google, but
it is not secure in fact. Once the phone is in the hands of someone
who wants and is willing to bypass the security, nothing is secure in
fact, it only depends on how much trouble the attacker is willing to
go to.
As to this particular method of attack, the user can simply make sure
Siri doesn't work on the lock screen. Again, though, it doesn't much
matter, there are other methods. Keep your phone with you and, in most
cases, you need not worry about physical access without your knowing
about it. This is one of the reasons why I have no passcode on my
phone, it offers very little extra security but does offer an
inconvenience when I want to unlock the phone. I do not keep any
secure data on my phone, any data that I object to the public having
access to, simply because the chance of theft is too high and, as we
see, the passcode is not of much use.
Aman



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Re: Iphones no longer secure

Could it be because you have Touch ID enabled? I'm just guessing since I 
still have an iPhone 4S.


On 4/26/2015 3:32 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hi Christopher,

I have set mine to “Immediately” and interestingly enough when I 
double tap on this where usually I get the options for 1 minute, 2 
minutes and so on, “Immediately” is the only choice on my 5S. Not sure 
why this is, but right now I haven’t found anywhere else where I could 
change this.


Regards,

Sieghard

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I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but there is an option where 
you can only require a passcode after you haven't used your phone for 
a certain period of time. Go into Settings - Passcode and see what 
the require passcode option is set to. Mine is set to after one minute.


On 4/26/2015 1:34 PM, Andrea Roveretto wrote:

yes I have the last available update, and I don't have any option
asking not to require the pass code.

Il 26/04/2015 20:27, Alex Hall ha scritto:

I just tried this on an iPhone 5 with iOS8.3. I was prompted
to enter my passcode, as expected. Are you certain your device
is running the latest iOS release? Do you have it set to not
require a passcode within a certain amount of time after being
locked? If so, are you waiting until that time passes before
trying this?

On Apr 26, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Andrea Roveretto
and...@andrearoveretto.it
mailto:and...@andrearoveretto.it wrote:

I can confirm the same thing works on iphone 5s, just
tried it... really I am wothout words

Il 26/04/2015 20:14, Jeremy Gilley ha scritto:

So,

I have had my new iphone less then 24 hours and have
found a way to bypass every single security on the phone.

This will bypass your finger print and your pass code
and give me direct access to the phone.

I thought this was secure?

To do the trick is to ask Seri what the temperature is.

In the lower right hand corner pass the times of the
day with the temperature there is a weather channel
button.

Click on the button that will open the internet or safari.

Once you open safari, hit the home button to close out
of the net and it takes you back to your home screen
or back to the desktop as I like to call it lol.

I have the Iphone 6+.  Not sure if this will work on
other phones.

I mean like the 5S and 6.

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Re: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down

Doing a quick search in Google, according to 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201371 the 5s, 6 and 6+ all have touch ID.


On 4/26/2015 3:31 PM, Gary Petraccaro wrote:

Which phones have fingerpring capability?
Thanks.
- Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, April 17, 2015 1:32 AM
Subject: RE: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down


You can scan/register up to 5 different fingerprints.

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Behalf Of carol.pearso...@googlemail.com

Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 7:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Oh, so do you have fingerprint enabled for both of you, or just your 
wife?

I didn't think it could take more than one fingerprint?

Carol P

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down


Why would your friend need your passcode? My wife knows my passcode
and she can also use her finger to unlock my phone, in case I cannot
enter it due to injury or the rare times that I am unresponsive. Other
than her, no one else needs access.

Wayne

On 4/15/15, Kerri G kerri.g1...@icloud.com wrote:
Thugh I have done that I always worry about leaving the phone at a 
friends

house who doesn't have the passcode and might need it

Sent from my iPhone


On Apr 15, 2015, at 3:30 AM, carol.pearso...@googlemail.com
carol.pearso...@googlemail.com wrote:

I'm scared, in case I can't get back in the first time I reboot ... so
confess I'm one of those who hasn't done it - yet!

I would probably put in a number code if I were to dare to do it.  
Is it

the number type keypad that comes up, or are the numbers across in one
line? I'm thinking you have to be able to do these without hearing what
you've written, but could you confirm this please.

Carol P

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 6:30 AM
Subject: I'm Tellin' You, Lock It Down


Hello Everyone,

As I have posted, I support several people on both iOS and OSX as both
clients and friends.

One of my friends, a fellow VoiceOver user, until now, has fervently
refused
to setup either a Touch-ID or PIN on her iPhone 6, despite my 
suggestions

to
the contrary.  She said she thought it was too much trouble.

Today, she called me and told me that she, upon returning from a short
vacation with her family, accidentally left her phone in her sister's
house,
approximately 800 miles away.

While her sister will FedEx the phone back to her, my friend was afraid
that
her sister would and, according to her, most likely did, snoop on her
phone.


She truly laments not having taken the time to setup her Touch-ID and
password.

I'm tellin' you, lock it down before it's too late (smile).

Mark

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Re: Iphones no longer secure

I'm not exactly sure what you're saying, but there is an option where 
you can only require a passcode after you haven't used your phone for a 
certain period of time. Go into Settings - Passcode and see what the 
require passcode option is set to. Mine is set to after one minute.


On 4/26/2015 1:34 PM, Andrea Roveretto wrote:
yes I have the last available update, and I don't have any option 
asking not to require the pass code.



Il 26/04/2015 20:27, Alex Hall ha scritto:
I just tried this on an iPhone 5 with iOS8.3. I was prompted to enter 
my passcode, as expected. Are you certain your device is running the 
latest iOS release? Do you have it set to not require a passcode 
within a certain amount of time after being locked? If so, are you 
waiting until that time passes before trying this?
On Apr 26, 2015, at 2:22 PM, Andrea Roveretto 
and...@andrearoveretto.it mailto:and...@andrearoveretto.it wrote:


I can confirm the same thing works on iphone 5s, just tried it... 
really I am wothout words



Il 26/04/2015 20:14, Jeremy Gilley ha scritto:


So,

I have had my new iphone less then 24 hours and have found a way to 
bypass every single security on the phone.


This will bypass your finger print and your pass code and give me 
direct access to the phone.


I thought this was secure?

To do the trick is to ask Seri what the temperature is.

In the lower right hand corner pass the times of the day with the 
temperature there is a weather channel button.


Click on the button that will open the internet or safari.

Once you open safari, hit the home button to close out of the net 
and it takes you back to your home screen or back to the desktop as 
I like to call it lol.


I have the Iphone 6+.  Not sure if this will work on other phones.

I mean like the 5S and 6.

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Re: Any battery ffull notification app?

I thought of this as well, but I figured there might be situations where 
someone wanted a reminder when there phone was topped off. Maybe 
someone's just plugging their phone in for a charge before they head out 
for a while and they want to make sure it's fully charged. Some kind of 
an alert might remind them that it's ready and they can drop it into 
their pocket. I'm just guessing here, but either way, I don't know of 
such an app.


On 4/26/2015 12:15 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Not really necessary, when the battery is fully charged it will stop charging and simply 
say On AC Power. There is no harm in leaving the cable plugged in as the 
iPhone can't overcharge.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any battery ffull notification app?

Hello, would be highly appreciate, if anyone can share any free simple
app for my iPhone6  which can alert or notify me by sound when my
battery gets fully
charged, so that I can plug out. The app should be simple and not
bundled with other battery saving or other monitoring features.

   Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone





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Re: Putting bookmarks on my home page

I assume you're talking about Safari. If so, just bring up the page you 
want on your home screen and double tap the share button at the bottom 
of the screen. The add to home page button should do the trick for you.


On 4/26/2015 11:37 AM, Ann Byrne wrote:
In muy list of bookmarks there are two that I would like on my home 
page instead of buried among the rest.  How do I do this?  I have done 
it before but don't remember how.


thanks a bunch,

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Re: Editing songs in iTunes

Like I said, when I do this with NVDA, I still get the buttons like 
details, art work, options, file and so on as I tab around. Pressing the 
space bar when I land on the options button does bring me to the tab 
where I can edit start and end times.


On 4/26/2015 8:46 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Thanks, when you first press Control+I and tab around with Jaws you get all the 
fields like title, artist, song name and so on, then you get the OK and Cancel 
buttons at the very end and then it goes back to the fields. However, I can use 
Control+Tab and then I get the buttons for Details, Options and so on and I can 
activate Options and get to the media type drop-down, start time, end time and 
so on. It is very nice that these are immediately editable again without having 
to do a route Jaws to PC and left click to put focus into the edit field. Seems 
like iTunes has once again become a bit more user friendly from an 
accessibility standpoint.

I should also mention that I purchased the Leasy Advanced Jaws scripts from 
Brian Hartgen back when they were first released and in one of the recent 
updates Brian added some i
Tunes support. One of the useful shortcuts is Control+Shift+I which takes you to your device if an 
iPhone, iPad or iPod Touch is connected, I no longer have to tab around to the appropriate button. 
He also labelled all the shortcuts so when I press Control+1, for example, Jaws now says 
Fetching music, please wait, if I press Control+2 Jaws says Films and 
Movies etc. There are of course more commands and together with some of the other usefule 
Leasy features this is a nice addition. Sorry if I don't go into this more, ut it's not really 
iPhone or iOS related beyond the iTunes support and anybody who wants more info or doesn't know 
what Leasey is or does can simply go to http://www.LeaseyCentral.com and read more about it, listen 
to an excellent audio demo or download a fully functional trial version.

Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Re: Editing songs in iTunes

Sieghard, I just checked the same version of iTunes on Windows 7 with
NVDA, and I can press control+i, tab over to Options, press the space
bar and then tab over to the fields to edit the start and end times.

On 4/25/2015 9:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Wendy,

Which version of iTunes do you have? I just checked in the newest version for 
Windows which is 12.1.2.27 and pressing Control+I on a song once again brings 
up the edit fields beautifully, I have, however, not yet figured out how to get 
to things like Options where I would normally go if I wanted to change the 
media type or set a start and end point if I am making a ringtone.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Wendy Alling
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Subject: Editing songs in iTunes

Hi all,
Where do I go to edit songs in iTunes?  Control I only brings up song info
now and you can't edit anything.



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Re: Bluetooth Keyboards again--Questions

There's Apple's own page at 
http://help.apple.com/iphone/5/voiceover/en/iph6c494dc6.html which I 
usually just find with Google when I need to jog my memory about a key 
mapping.


On 4/21/2015 9:18 AM, Kathy Melton wrote:

Hello, I am new to the list, so forgive some of my learning questions. I am 
interested in knowing if anyone knows of a list of keyboard 
instructions/commands/shortcut keys for the Apple keyboard I have for my IPhone 5.

Thank you.

Kathy Melton


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Subject: Re: Bluetooth Keyboards again--Questions


I'm writing this message using a Logitech K810 Bluetooth keyboard.  The device 
I'm using is an iPod Touch running iOS 7.x.  The Touch is in another room 
plugged in and charging.  It is about 20 feet away from where I am sitting.  
I'm also wearing a Bluetooth headset so that I can hear VoiceOver.  I can not 
detect any lag between what I am typing on the keyboard and what I am hearing 
through the headset.

As others have said, normally you do not have to pair the keyboard again just 
because you've turned it off and then back on.

I do not carry a Bluetooth keyboard around with me, but if I am near one I am 
more likely to use it to access the iPod Touch than I am to use the touch 
screen. This does not mean I have anything against using the touch screen, it 
simply means I use whatever is most effective at the moment.

I do not have the latest hardware, and rarely use my iPod running iOS 8.3, so 
can not say from personal experience whether the latest iPhones running the 
latest iOs have any problems with Bluetooth in general, or Bluetooth keyboards 
in particular.


   David Justice :)



On Apr 19, 2015, at 10:20 PM, Destene Noller destene.nol...@icloud.com wrote:

Good Evening!

I have been considering buying a Bluetooth keyboard to use with my iPhone 6. Is 
there a lot of lag time between when a character is typed and when it appears 
on the screen? Also, if you turn the keyboard off to save power, do you have to 
re-pair it with the phone each time the keyboard is turned back on?

I am writing this message using the onscreen keyboard at which I am much faster 
at than I used to be, but I would like to be able to type a lot faster! Though 
I am a strong advocate of Braille, I haven't been that impressed with the 
Braille onscreen input options. I don't seem to get my fingers placed 
correctly, and I don't care to deal with the translation difficulties. Thanks 
for any help with this in advance!

Desi

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Re: Editing songs in iTunes

2015-04-25 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

Sieghard, I just checked the same version of iTunes on Windows 7 with 
NVDA, and I can press control+i, tab over to Options, press the space 
bar and then tab over to the fields to edit the start and end times.


On 4/25/2015 9:13 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Wendy,

Which version of iTunes do you have? I just checked in the newest version for 
Windows which is 12.1.2.27 and pressing Control+I on a song once again brings 
up the edit fields beautifully, I have, however, not yet figured out how to get 
to things like Options where I would normally go if I wanted to change the 
media type or set a start and end point if I am making a ringtone.


Regards,
Sieghard

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Subject: Editing songs in iTunes

Hi all,
Where do I go to edit songs in iTunes?  Control I only brings up song info
now and you can't edit anything.



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Re: Update and where to find iTunes card credit

2015-04-25 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I haven't looked for this myself, but have you tried exploring the 
screen in addition to flicking left and right?


On 4/25/2015 9:19 PM, Celeste MyHand wrote:
I have an iPhone 6 Plus and have had the same problem locating 
Valentin my iTunes account


Any suggestions

Soki's Silver IPhone 6+

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VoiceOver reads the balance on my iphone5 with iOS 8.3. Go to itunes 
app store apple id button view id then input password.


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Just updated to 8.3 and now I cannot read my iTunes balance in the 
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my husband can see it.

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Re: difference between standard and encrypted backup?

2015-04-19 Thread Christopher J Chaltain


You do not have to turn off find my phone to do an encrypted backup.

On 4/19/2015 11:51 AM, Harry Bell wrote:
If you intend to use the iTunes backup to restore from ( perhaps set 
up new phone) turning off Find My Phone is essential. I am unclear 
whether you have to turn the feature off before you do the backup - 
anyone more experienced out there know the answer? Harry



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So should I turn off find my iphone prior to making an encrypted backup?

Chris


Sent from my iPhone

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But do remember that if you have Find My Phone turned on in your 
phone's Settings, you will not be able in the future to restore your 
phone (or a new phone) from that backup until Find My Phone is 
turned off on your original phone. Harry



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thanks for that, I will be going for the encrypted then, as I do 
heavily rely on apps remembering details like that.

Simon

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*Subject:* Re: difference between standard and encrypted backup?

As I understand it, a standard backup will back up everything
on your device, except sensitive information. An encrypted
backup will back up everything, no matter what. Essentially,
then, restoring an encrypted backup will restore wifi
passwords, app logins, and other personal details; a standard
backup will restore the apps and data, but you'll have to sign
back into everything. I imagine I'm missing pieces, but that's
the basic idea.

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hello all,
finally have managed to get iTunes to start doing what I
actually want it to do.
when backing up my iPhone, I get the option of an encrypted
backup. what are the differences between the standard, and the
encrypted backup?
Simon

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Re: difference between standard and encrypted backup?

2015-04-19 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

Yes, but it only asks you for a password after your first encrypted 
backup. It won't prompt you for a password when doing subsequent 
backups, so if you forget that password over time, your backups are 
worthless.


Note this isn't a reason not to do an encrypted backup, but it is a 
reason to choose a password or figure out some way that you won't forget 
it over time.


On 4/19/2015 1:57 AM, goshawk on horseback wrote:
would I be right in assuming that it would ask me for one before doing 
the backup?

Simon

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Simon,

I'll just state the obvious and urge you to be sure to keep up
with your encrypted backup password. Without the password, there
is no restoration of the backup to a device.

Alan Lemly

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thanks for that, I will be going for the encrypted then, as I do
heavily rely on apps remembering details like that.

Simon

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*Subject:*Re: difference between standard and encrypted backup?

As I understand it, a standard backup will back up everything
on your device, except sensitive information. An encrypted
backup will back up everything, no matter what. Essentially,
then, restoring an encrypted backup will restore wifi
passwords, app logins, and other personal details; a standard
backup will restore the apps and data, but you'll have to sign
back into everything. I imagine I'm missing pieces, but that's
the basic idea.


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hello all,

finally have managed to get iTunes to start doing what I
actually want it to do.

when backing up my iPhone, I get the option of an encrypted
backup. what are the differences between the standard, and
the encrypted backup?

Simon

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Re: Creating ringtones from songs using iTunes 12 - the complete guide

2015-04-18 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

Hey Sieghard, I just wanted to say thanks for writing up this tutorial 
and sending it to the list. I've been working more with the music on my 
phone lately, and creating some ring tones from my music was one of the 
things I wanted to do. Your tutorial was just the ticket, and the 
archive of this list is a great resource.


On 11/23/2014 7:11 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:


Hello Listers,

As promised, here is as complete a guide as I could come up with 
describing how you can make ringtones from your songs using iTunes 12. 
This has headings, both level 1 and 2 which you can use if you want to 
get back to a particular section. After explaining the process and 
after the “Clean up” heading is another heading called “More details 
about adding to library and syncing” and it goes into more details 
about how to correctly rename the file extension and how to sync your 
tones to your phone.


I did it this way because for more advanced users some of my 
descriptions may already contain more details than necessary, but for 
people who are new to technology or less experienced with Windows 
commands it is hopefully useful.


I also realize that you can add ringtones to your library by copying 
them into the “Automatically Add to Library” folder. If you prefer to 
do this than that’s fine, I personally prefer to put stuff into the 
folder where it belongs and add it to the library either by simply 
playing it or by using the “Add /File to Library” or “Add Folder to 
Library” option in the iTunes File menu.


I wanted to provide a tutorial on how to make ringtones from songs 
since several people asked for it and I did the same for iTunes 11. I 
don’t want to start a debate on how to do it better by using a 
different program to create the ringtone, if anybody feels they know 
of a better way than all I can say is go ahead and create your own 
tutorial and this way people can choose which method they want to use.


Creating ringtones from songs using iTunes 12

Note: These instructions are based on doing this on a Windows 7 laptop 
with Jaws 16. Most of this should work fine with other screenreaders 
except of course for Jaws specific commands like “route Jaws cursor to 
PC cursor” and “left mouse click with Jaws”. You would simply have to 
know or find out which are equivalent commands in Window Eyes, NVDA or 
whatever other screenreader you might use.



  Basic steps

1. Find the song you want

2. Press Control+I for Get Info, tab to the options button, tab to 
start and end time and set end time to no more than 40 seconds.


3. Right click on your song and select Create AAC Version

4. Press Control+C on the newly created 40 second version of the song 
to copy it to the clipboard, open your iTunes Media\Tones folder and 
use Control+V to paste the song into the folder.


5. Go to the Tools menu of your Windows Explorer window, go to Folder 
Options and the View tab, make sure Hide extensions for known file types


is Off.

6. Rename the .M4A extension to M4R.

7. Press enter on the newly renamed file to play it in iTunes, this 
automatically adds it to your Tones library.


8. Connect your phone, make sure Sync All Tones is selected or if you 
sync selected tones, make sure your new ringtone is checked, then sync 
your phone.



  detailed instructions

1. Find the song you want to make into a ringtone in your Music 
library in iTunes.


2. Right click, use the application menu key or Shift+F10 and select 
Get Info. You can also use The shortcut key which is Control+I.


3. Tab to the Options button (should be 8 tabs) and activate it by 
pressing the spacebar or enter.


Note that nothing obvious happens, but visually the Options content 
now is on the screen and you have to tab to it. Unfortunately the 
cursor seems to go back to the beginning of this entire screen, but 
instead of using tab about 15 times, you can use F6 about six or seven 
times to get to where you enter the start and stop time for the ringtone.



Changing Start and Stop time

4. The first item you get to will just say Start read only, then if 
you tab once there is a checkbox which is read as 0 checkbox not 
checked and if you tab again you will be on the actual field where 
you can type in a start time and which by default is always read as 0 
o'clock read only.


The only way to get into the edit field for start and stop time that 
works for me is as follows:


1.Route the Jaws cursor to the PC cursor by pressing Jaws Key+NumPad 
Minus.


2.Do a left click with Jaws Key+NumPad Slash.

3.Jaws will say button edit and you can now delete the 0 and type in 
the start time you want.


It is not necessary to first check the start time checkbox, if you 
change the value it will get checked automatically.


usually you start at the beginning of the song, i.e. 0:00, but if the 
song starts very slow you may want to find a good spot a few seconds 
from the beginning where you start the ringtone.


If you do change the start time, make sure

Re: More Information About People In The App Switcher

2015-04-14 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I don't have people in my App Switcher any more, but I bet if you go to 
Settings - Mail, Calendars, Contacts and double tap the short name 
button, whatever you select here will be used in the App Switcher.


On 4/14/2015 8:18 PM, Rob wrote:


I just upgraded to iOS8.2.  When I swipe left in the app switcher, I 
hear people I have recently contacted via phone or text message.  But 
all I hear is their first name (like Michael).  I have several people 
in my contact list named Michael.  How can I get more information 
about the contact that is in the app switcher? Even when I double tap 
on the name, I still only see the first name.


Thanks for your help.

Rob

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Re: Clock timer

2015-04-14 Thread Christopher J Chaltain


Yes

On 4/14/2015 4:31 PM, M.Nelson wrote:
I was told you could use the timer on the clock app to act as a sleep 
timer for some apps, such as Bard Mobile.
On the screen with the sound options the last choice is “Stop 
Playing”. Is this what you use for a sleep timer?

Thanks, Marie
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Re: Passcodes and touch ID

2015-04-14 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

The default passcode is simple, which is four numbers. You can change 
this allowing for a longer numeric passcode. When you hit the power 
button, you'll get a standard numeric keypad where you can enter your 
passcode. As far as I can tell, once you start entering your code, you 
can take as long as you want. I don't know how long the keypad will stay 
on the screen if you don't start entering anything.


On 4/14/2015 4:30 PM, M.Nelson wrote:
I hate to admit it but I have never put a passcode or fingerprint ID 
on my IPhone. So I have a couple of questions.

1. Does the passcode have to be numbers or can it be alpha characters?
2 If the fingerprint ID is enabled I believe you still have to input 
the passcode when powering up the unit. Is this true?

3 How much time do you have to enter the passcode?
4 how many characters are required for your passcode?
Thanks,
Marie
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Re: IOS8.3 still unavailible

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

What do you mean when you say it isn't showing itself on your 5s? Do you 
see an update next to the Settings app? When you go into Settings - 
General - Software Updates, what do you see? You may need to explore 
the screen here since swiping or flicking doesn't always work in this 
screen.


On 4/13/2015 9:00 PM, Kelly Pierce wrote:

Be patient.  It is a multi-gig download that will only download when
plugged in and connected to WIFI.  If you want it sooner,open itunes
on your computer and plug your phone into the USB jack.

Kelly



On 4/13/15, John stiers jsti...@comcast.net wrote:

For some reason IOS8.3 is not showing itself on my 5s.
I would appreciate any help with this problem.
thank you

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Re: Help syncing music to my iPhone with iTunes

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

Ah, I figured it out not long after I sent this message. I used the F6 
key to get into an area I hadn't seen before, and I checked the sync 
entire library radio button. Now all of the albums I have checked are 
syncing.


On 4/13/2015 8:05 AM, Christopher J Chaltain wrote:
For some reason, I'm having trouble syncing music to my iPhone all of 
a sudden. I'm doing the same thing I recall doing in the past, but 
nothing is syncing. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with IOS 
8.3, iTunes 12.1.2, the fact that I just revamped my library using M4A 
instead of MP3, or that I'm just doing something stupid.


I'm running iTunes, Windows 7, NVDA and IOS with all of the latest 
updates as of yesterday.


Over the weekend, I had blown away my old library and then pointed 
iTunes to the folder where I had converted all of my music from FLAC 
to M4A. iTunes recognized all of my music, and I have no problem 
playing it in iTunes.


I plug my iPhone into my PC with the USB cable, and iTunes recognizes 
it just fine. Encrypted backups work just fine, and I'm able to 
transfer purchases without a problem.


in iTunes, I went into the songs view, selected everything and then 
used the context menu to unchecked everything. I then switched to the 
album view and checked an album I wanted to sync. Note I have a 16G 
iPhone 4S, and I have more music than will fit on my iPhone. This is 
OK, since I don't want all of my music on my iPhone anyway.


I click the iPhone button and check my sync settings by just tabbing 
through everything.

* I have automatically sync unchecked.
* I also have sync over wifi unchecked.
* Sync only checked songs and videos is checked.
* Prefer standard definition videos is unchecked.
* Convert higher bit rate songs is unchecked.
* Manually manage music and videos is unchecked.

When I click on the sync button, the sync only takes a few seconds, 
and the only thing that is synced is a ring tone. The album that I had 
checked is not synced.


I've Google around for solutions, and I haven't come up with anything. 
I've tried a bunch of the usual trouble shooting steps, such as 
rebooting my PC and my iPhone, checking and unchecking buttons in 
iTunes, and I haven't found anything that works. I'm at my whits end, 
and I'm hoping someone will have a suggestion! Thanks everyone, I'm 
sure it's something stupid, but I know I've done this in the past.




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Help syncing music to my iPhone with iTunes

2015-04-13 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

For some reason, I'm having trouble syncing music to my iPhone all of a 
sudden. I'm doing the same thing I recall doing in the past, but nothing 
is syncing. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with IOS 8.3, iTunes 
12.1.2, the fact that I just revamped my library using M4A instead of 
MP3, or that I'm just doing something stupid.


I'm running iTunes, Windows 7, NVDA and IOS with all of the latest 
updates as of yesterday.


Over the weekend, I had blown away my old library and then pointed 
iTunes to the folder where I had converted all of my music from FLAC to 
M4A. iTunes recognized all of my music, and I have no problem playing it 
in iTunes.


I plug my iPhone into my PC with the USB cable, and iTunes recognizes it 
just fine. Encrypted backups work just fine, and I'm able to transfer 
purchases without a problem.


in iTunes, I went into the songs view, selected everything and then used 
the context menu to unchecked everything. I then switched to the album 
view and checked an album I wanted to sync. Note I have a 16G iPhone 4S, 
and I have more music than will fit on my iPhone. This is OK, since I 
don't want all of my music on my iPhone anyway.


I click the iPhone button and check my sync settings by just tabbing 
through everything.

* I have automatically sync unchecked.
* I also have sync over wifi unchecked.
* Sync only checked songs and videos is checked.
* Prefer standard definition videos is unchecked.
* Convert higher bit rate songs is unchecked.
* Manually manage music and videos is unchecked.

When I click on the sync button, the sync only takes a few seconds, and 
the only thing that is synced is a ring tone. The album that I had 
checked is not synced.


I've Google around for solutions, and I haven't come up with anything. 
I've tried a bunch of the usual trouble shooting steps, such as 
rebooting my PC and my iPhone, checking and unchecking buttons in 
iTunes, and I haven't found anything that works. I'm at my whits end, 
and I'm hoping someone will have a suggestion! Thanks everyone, I'm sure 
it's something stupid, but I know I've done this in the past.


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Re: Changing an existing pop account to imap:

2015-04-12 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

You'll need to make sure your email provider supports IMAP. If you're 
talking about your Gmail account then it does and you can change it from 
POP to IMAP on the Gmail web page.


You shouldn't lose any data on the server, but any email you've 
downloaded to a local machine with POP will no longer be on the server, 
so you won't be able to access it with your IMAP account.


The default for a Gmail account on IOS is now IMAP.

I'm not exactly sure how to do it, and I couldn't find any good 
instructions on the web, but if it were me, I'd:

1) Switch from POP to IMAP on my Gmail web page.
2) Create a new account on my iPhone, which will be IMAP by default for 
Gmail.
3) Leave my old POP account around, and maybe disable it, so I'll still 
have access to any emails I've downloaded locally.
4) If you find you don't have any messages stored locally that you care 
about then you can delete your POP account.
5) You can always move local messages into an IMAP folder and they'll be 
uploaded into Gmail's IMAP server. I'm not sure how to do this in the 
iPhone client since I'm not sure I've seen how to copy messages from one 
account into another, but you could do this with a desktop client, such 
as Thunderbird.


Sorry I wasn't more help.

On 4/12/2015 7:37 AM, Don Breda wrote:

Hi listers.

I have an email account on my iPhone I set up a long time ago as a pop 
account.


I Want to change it to impa without losing any email messages already 
on the phone.


I don't see a setting in the mail settings to change from pop to imap.

I don't think just changing the port numbers will do the trick.

Do I have to delete the account and recreate it, is that the only way?

Thanks in advance.

Don



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Re: Release schedules [was Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out]

2014-09-25 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

That may be what you prefer, but Apple and other large companies have to 
worry about multiple things.


KNFB announced that they would be delaying the release of their iPhone 
app a few weeks, and they gave a reason. They were criticized for doing 
this and questions were raised as to the viability of a company that 
couldn't meet their announced delivery dates. You may have been OK with 
Apple postponing the release of IOS 8 and the availability of the new 
iPhone 6's but others would have been unhappy, competitors would have 
made hay with Apple's inability to meet their dates and people would 
have questioned what's going on at Apple.


Sure, customers are unhappy when they get a buggy product, but they're 
also unhappy when they have to wait for a product or don't get it when 
it was promised to them. How many people have been holding off on 
upgrading their iPhone waiting for the iPhone 6's to be released. Would 
these people have been happy if they had to keep waiting and using their 
old smart phones?


Don't forget that Apple also depends on the iPHone 6 for revenue. People 
are holding off on buying new iPhones waiting for the iPhone 6's to come 
out. How many iPhone 6's did Apple sell last weekend? Postponing the 
availability of the iPhone 6 would hit Apple right in the pocket book.


Apple is also at the center of a whole ecosystem. Cell phone providers, 
accessory manufacturers, resellers and others all have agreements with 
Apple and are dependent on Apple meeting their commitments. If Apple was 
constantly missing their commitments then their partners would start to 
lose faith and confidence in Apple.


Apple also has other options besides just slipping their dates or 
releasing products with too many bugs. They could drop some features and 
put more resources into testing or fixing bugs. Apple is a very wealthy 
company. They could probably throw more resources at IOS without 
removing functionality from IOS.


When I went through CMMI training, I was asked, quality, schedule or 
cost, pick one. I never met an executive that didn't say they're all 
important, but I've also never seen a large company choose anything 
other than schedule. I've seen companies throw money at products to keep 
them on schedule, and I've seen companies ship products with too many 
bugs just to keep them on schedule. I've also seen the pendulum swing 
the other way, and once a company is beat up too much in the market 
place over quality then you'll see a focus from them on quality the next 
time around or two. They focus on quality by reducing the feature set a 
bit, focusing on testing and bug fixing and letting their customers know 
quality if priority #1. They still meet their dates though.


You may not believe it, but Apple has some pretty smart people making 
decisions on whether to release a product on time or not with the given 
set of bugs. I can assure you that they've considered your three 
options, and there's a reason they stick to their committed schedule


On 9/25/2014 6:01 PM, Charles Rivard wrote:

As a customer, which would you prefer:

1.  A product delivered on time, regardless of the quality.

2.  A product delayed due to problems in the programming.

3.  Number 2, with an explanation of why there is a delay.

I, personally, would prefer option 3.

If I had a business, I would give customers option 3.  My reputation 
would be that I produce reliable, good quality software.  Loyal 
customers would spread my reputation, bringing in more customers based 
on that reputation.


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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 6:59 AM
Subject: Release schedules [was Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out]


Obviously customer satisfaction suffers when a program is released with
a lot of bugs, but customer satisfaction also suffers when a program is
promised on a certain date and then isn't released. Look at the
criticism we saw on this list when KNFB Reader pushed out it's release
by a few weeks?

Apple also has a lot riding on their September releases. It's a big
event with a lot of hype and press coverage. It also coincides with new
iPhones, which generates new revenue for Apple. This revenue would be
postponed if they had to push out the release of IOS 8, which is what's
needed on the new iPhones. Imagine the criticism you'd hear lofted
Apple's way if they postponed there big annual announcement?

When a company releases a new update to a product, they have to weigh a
lot of different factors, and ultimately a business decision is made
based on all of the available facts.

On 09/24/2014 11:41 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:

This is not a complaint, just an observation.

I know lots of companies that tie the release of their next version to a
particular time of year, and if it's not ready, well it just may go out
anyway.

Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out

2014-09-25 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

Of course, as a user of Microsoft products, I'd be concerned if 
Microsoft were pushing updates to it's products by mistake. It's one 
thing to have a company make a conscious decision to ship a product with 
some known warts in it and another thing for a company to push out some 
software accidentally. It would be hard to trust or rely on a company 
when you can't depend on them following their own internal processes to 
get the right product out the door. Hopefully, Microsoft has fixed those 
process problems in the last seven years.


I'm not saying it can't happen, but having seen all of the steps a 
software release has to go through to get out of the door at more than 
one large company, I just can't believe this happens as frequently as 
you seem to indicate it does. The press is always looking for such 
stories, so I'd think we'd all hear about these cases if they were more 
frequent, and if anything, we'd probably think they happened even more 
than they do, given how the press likes to hype these kinds of mistakes.


On 9/25/2014 8:49 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

Well, I guess you would be troubled by Microsoft also. I once rec



eived an unintended upgrade release from them back in 2007. It can happen to 
any company, and happens more often than one might think.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 26 Sep 2014, at 10:11, Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I don't know all of the details about why IOS 8.0.1 was released by mistake, 
but if it really was just human error then that would trouble me greatly. Large 
companies, like Apple, when they're releasing an update to a major operating 
system of theirs, has processes in place to make sure things are not released 
by mistake or prematurely. Developers make mistakes too, and that's why you 
have test teams to catch those bugs before they hit the public. I've been 
involved in product releases my entire professional career, and at any company 
I've worked at, it's inconceivable to me that an update to a major product 
could be released accidentally. If human error could circumvent all of the 
checks and processes in place to make sure this doesn't happen then there are 
some serious process issues in Apple's release process. The fact that something 
like this could happen, troubles me much more than the bugs I've seen in IOS 8.


On 09/25/2014 08:39 AM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:
The people who are bashing Apple about 8.0.1 are conveniently ignoring
the fact that it was released by human error. Come on people are you
saying you've never made a mistake?


On 9/25/14, Jed Barton jedbar...@gmail.com wrote:
I couldn't agree more.
Guys look, here's the deal, no technology company is perfect, nor will
it ever be.
Apple has gone through some great lengths to make the iphone family and
macs accessible in so many different ways.  Sometimes you just have to
get creative and learn.  Part of the issue is the specific app
development itself.
There are many apps where the developers don't know how to make their
apps accessible although many of them are open to it and want to learn.
   I switched to an iphone almost 2 years ago and i would never go back.
Take some time, learn, and spend some time with it, and you can't go wrong.

Cheers,
Jed


On 9/25/2014 7:51 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
I wholeheartedly agree with the posting here below. In fact i couldn't
have said it better myself, i probably would have added some grumpy
comments that would make if not enemies then at least some not so happy
people.:-)
I may be overly loyal to Apple, even to the point of religion but i have
to say that Apple has done a whole lot more than i ever expected a main
stream company to ever do for us. As i stated in an earlier post, i don't
think i have ever seen a bug that's not been fixed although it may have
taken some time.
/Krister


25 sep 2014 kl. 13:18 skrev Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com:

not finger ppointing at anyone, but at times, most times, i do wonder,
what is really the accessibility issue of Apple, and what is user
errores, or the lack of understanding and training for user usage.

I heard this over and over again, from different list how apple is
inaccessible for VO user, how Apple got so many different and
keystrokes to learn compare to jaws and windows and etc etc. But,  do
these users really give VO a chance, putting window aside, for say, 3
months, and really focus on VO


And these people also often forget to celebrate the good things of
accessibility on apple products, but instead, decide to focus on the
bad things and how inaccessible apple products are for VO user.

I'm not saying apple is perfect, in many ways apple is far from
perfect, or the ideal technology for blind  users. But at the same
time, if Apple is so inaccessible, why then, there are more and more
blind and VI professionals switch to Apple instead of stay on with
windows?

Just my 0.2 worth of sense

Re: Release schedules [was Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out]

2014-09-25 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

And there's no option not to update if you're getting a new device. You 
need IOS 8 if you're getting an iPhone 6.


On 9/25/2014 11:02 PM, Neal Ewers wrote:

Actually, everyone does not have a choice. Some people work for companies
who only use Apple. So if the phone doesn't work, then you may be out of
luck. You are right, of course, when you say that people may not have to
update. However, some companies update all people at the same time. If the
device belongs to the company and they decide to update, you don't have a
choice. The good thing is that I doubt many companies have updated many
people this early in the release cycle.

Neal



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Release schedules [was Re: iOS 8.0.1 is out]

Everyone have a choice. If you, as a customer, are not happy with what they,
Apple, are offering, you, as a customer can always get to the Samsung/Google
wagon. They, as Apple, didn't put a gun on your head and force you to get
the newest and latest. They, might put the software on your phone, but you,
as a customer can ignore it.


On 26/09/2014, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

The customer should be their focus, because that's their source of income.
As a customer, I'd rather wait until the product is made right.  I can
wait

for a few months to get a new iPhone.  It'll come out when it works
properly.  There's no harm in using what is stable and usable for a
while longer.  I still think that I, as a business, would be better
off by getting

a reputation of producing quality, even though it may take a bit
longer, rather than producing fast and shoddy.  If they have to make
something by their deadline, and that something is very buggy, then
maybe they should move their deadline back next year, get it right,
and then put it on the market so that it works fairly well the first
time it is sold.  I'll take quality over speed every single time.

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That may be what you prefer, but Apple and other large companies have
to worry about multiple things.

KNFB announced that they would be delaying the release of their iPhone
app a few weeks, and they gave a reason. They were criticized for
doing this and questions were raised as to the viability of a company
that couldn't meet their announced delivery dates. You may have been
OK with Apple postponing the release of IOS 8 and the availability of
the new iPhone 6's but others would have been unhappy, competitors
would have made hay with Apple's inability to meet their dates and
people would have questioned what's going on at Apple.

Sure, customers are unhappy when they get a buggy product, but they're
also unhappy when they have to wait for a product or don't get it when
it was promised to them. How many people have been holding off on
upgrading their iPhone waiting for the iPhone 6's to be released.
Would these people have been happy if they had to keep waiting and
using their old smart phones?

Don't forget that Apple also depends on the iPHone 6 for revenue.
People are holding off on buying new iPhones waiting for the iPhone
6's to come out. How many iPhone 6's did Apple sell last weekend?
Postponing the availability of the iPhone 6 would hit Apple right in the

pocket book.

Apple is also at the center of a whole ecosystem. Cell phone
providers, accessory manufacturers, resellers and others all have
agreements with Apple and are dependent on Apple meeting their
commitments. If Apple was constantly missing their commitments then
their partners would start to lose faith and confidence in Apple.

Apple also has other options besides just slipping their dates or
releasing products with too many bugs. They could drop some features
and put more resources into testing or fixing bugs. Apple is a very
wealthy company. They could probably throw more resources at IOS
without removing functionality from IOS.

When I went through CMMI training, I was asked, quality, schedule or
cost, pick one. I never met an executive that didn't say they're all
important, but I've also never seen a large company choose anything
other than schedule. I've seen companies throw money at products to
keep them on schedule, and I've seen companies ship products with too
many bugs just to keep them on schedule. I've also seen the pendulum
swing the other way, and once a company is beat up too much in the
market place over quality then you'll see a focus from them on quality
the next time around or two. They focus on quality by reducing the
feature set a bit, focusing on testing and bug fixing

Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-21 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I agree there's too much bashing of other platforms going on. IMHO, we 
should all feel happy there's choice, and when someone else chooses a 
phone that we haven't chosen ourselves, we should be glad there's choice 
and not get defensive that the solution we went with wasn't selected. We 
may be elated with our choice for now, but things may change over time, 
and we may find ourselves happy we have options ourselves. I know I was 
a happy Nokia phone owner, but I was sure glad there were options when 
that Symbian based platform went by the boards.


I've seen multiple references now to the fragmentation going on in 
Apple's world, and to be honest, this just isn't the case. Fragmentation 
is not a single vendor supporting a few different screen sizes or models 
with different hardware from year to year. Fragmentation is multiple 
handsets from multiple vendors each with their own source code branch to 
support it.


Everyone who has a supported Apple device got IOS 8 at exactly the same 
time. Absolutely no one had to wait. This is not true in the Android 
world where new versions of Android need to be ported to different 
manufacturers hand sets once it's released. I'm not bashing Android, I'm 
an Android user myself. This model provides some great advantages, such 
as multiple form factors and a much greater degree of out of the box 
customization. Fragmentation is the price that's paid for these options 
though. Neither model is good or bad, they're just different, but try 
telling that to a fan boy from either camp.


I would agree Apple does a better job of supporting older hardware, but 
remember, we're comparing apples and oranges here. The fragmentation in 
the Android space does confuse this issue. I have a Nexis 7 that was 
released in 2012 and it'll be getting Android L when it's released later 
this year, so Google Play editions of Android phones are supported for 
quite a while. Android also runs on much lower end phone models. I don't 
think you'd expect a phone going for $100 or $200 to have the same 
longevity of support that you'd get for a $600 phone.


If you support all mobile platforms then I wouldn't accuse the Apple 
environment of becoming more fragmented. This is just an Android fan 
boyism being tossed out against Apple, and it just isn't true. And BTW, 
I don't consider myself an Apple fan boy, but you don't need to be to 
know that the Apple world is not fragmented the same way the Android 
world is.


On 9/20/2014 10:09 PM, Robin wrote:

That was then, and this is now.

Microsoft's WP8.1 works on MobilePhones such as WP8 MobilePhones, 
which were released 2 Years ago, and are still scheduled to receive 
more updates such as WP8.1 UpDate 1 and so forth. So I suggest you 
Stop Trashing other Mobile PlatForms in an effort to stray the 
conversation away from its primary purpose, which is Apple's iOS8 
doesn't appear to support the MobileDevices it stated it would give or 
take a couple of features such as Apple's iOS8 ApplePay.


Fragmentation IS rearing its head IN Apple's Garden. It's NOT 
exclusive to Google's Android anymore. Is it? If I'm wrong, someone 
(Apple FanBoys), please correct me. I'm NOT against Apple or any other 
Mobile Platform. I'm for accessibility IN all Mobile Platforms 
(Apple's iOS, Microsoft's Windows (WP),  Google's Android)


At 03:47 PM 9/20/2014, you wrote:
Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support 
older hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good 
luck getting the latest version of Android working on a four year 
old Android phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new 
versions of Windows working on four year old computers.


The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that 
device power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, 
such as an iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three 
generations ago).


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com 
wrote:


 But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 
4s, and

 who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
 So, we should not trust in apple?


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

 Of Joanne Chua
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

 Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s 
to ios8.
 There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by 
iphone 5c and

 below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
 And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and 
which
 ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement 
from

 pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.
 People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded 
to the

Re: Any experience with the new ViaOpta Nav app?

Sorry if this was already answered, but a rooted phone is a term used in 
Android that means roughly the same thing as a jail broken phone. From 
the discussions I've seen on both Android and IOS lists, this app 
doesn't need a jail broken or rooted phone to work.


On 9/9/2014 1:28 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

What is a :rooted phone? What iPhone do you have?


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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:49 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any experience with the new ViaOpta Nav app?

does this only work on rooted phones?
cause it claims it isn't conpatible with my phone

On 9/8/2014 5:52 PM, Deb Lewis wrote:

I didn't get any message about not being for the US. It found my
address quickly. It just had trouble starting the navigation. It did
plan the route.

On 9/8/14, Sharonda Greenlaw sbgreen...@gmail.com wrote:

I haven't gone anywhere with the app, but it found my address quickly.
I will report more as I use the app.

Sharonda

On 9/8/14, Thom Spittle thom3...@gmail.com wrote:

It worked for me. It does not have recalculation feature. If you go
off route, it will tell you so, and ask if you want to recalculate.

Thom

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Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Any experience with the new ViaOpta Nav app?

Hello,
When I ran the app, it said that it was for use outside the US. It
took for ever to load my location info and then, even though it gave
my address, it said that it couldn't find my address.
So it's probably going to be a while before it's for the US.

On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:07 PM, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:


I didn't have too much luck with the navigation. It keeps telling
me my device is off route, but when I tell it to find the route, it
doesn't seem to. Also could only get walking routes. But I was more
concerned that navigating wasn't too successful.


On 9/8/14, Dionesque diones...@interia.pl wrote:

Hello guys,

This app is definitely available in Poland and in Germany. It's
beeing developed by the same folks who created Ariadne GPS, I'm
not sure why they've apparently dropped forward developing of
Ariadne and started a new yet similair project.
ViaOpta Nav is free and pretty easy to use, the menu is very clear
and doesn't contain many options. You can check your locations and
intersections close to your location. When on the road, the app
informs you about intersections and POIs, botth taken from OSM
(Open Street Maps), you can also get a proper street to street
navigation based

on the TomTom maps.

Overall a nice, quick reacting app, given it's still the version
1.0, hopefully we'll see it improving in the future.
The interface is in English, on my German-speaking iPhone
interface the app menus are properly translated into German but
the terms of use which you're about to accept each time you're
launching the app are in English only for the time being.
Kind regards,


Barbara



Von meinem iPhone gesendet


Am 08.09.2014 um 18:07 schrieb Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:

Hi Jared,

I just had a look at your link and it will bring up the app, but
in the Zimbabwe app store. You can tell which app store an
address is from by looking at the 2 letters after
https://itunes.apple.com/

Anyhow, it appears the app is available in the United States, but
it is not available in the Canadian app store.
Too bad since at least the description sounds OK. The developer,
Novartis Pharmaceutical Corporation, is according to Wikipedia
also the largest pharmaceutical company with respect to sales
which in
2013 were 57.9 Billion.
Very nice of them to make a free app for the blind, isn't it? I
guess they would have the resources to do a good job, I mean
what's a million or two or even 5 for a company like that. It
would, however, be nice if they provided a list of countries
where the app

works.

Let's also see if there will be regular updates and new features.
Maybe KNFB Reader should have gone to them for a bit of funding,
then maybe the KNFB Reader app would have cost 99 Cents instead
of 99

Dollars.

After all, according to prescription drugs, over the counter
drugs, vaxines, animal drugs the company is also into contact
lenses *smile*.a few Bucks

Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
On Behalf Of Jared
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 8:36 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Any experience with the new ViaOpta Nav app?

Apparently there is a new free navigation app available designed
for blind people called ViaOpta Nav and it can be found at


https://itunes.apple.com/zw/app/viaopta-nav/id908435532?mt=8ign-
mpt
=uo%3D4 I was wondering if anyone has had a chance to look at it?
I'm not going to have an opertunity to for a couple days.
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Re: iPhone Colors

I'm one who doesn't typically put my phone into a case. I take pretty 
good care of my phones, and I want them to look and feel good for myself 
and not their next owner. I actually wrote to say though that they do 
make cases with the color of the phone in mind that do let you show off 
the color of the phone a bit. My wife got a 5C, and they had cases 
especially for the 5C that were clear and let you show off the color of 
your phone. BTW, she went with a 5s case and just covers up her pretty 
green phone with a black case. I bet they have cases for the gold phones 
that do let you show off their color.


On 9/9/2014 6:29 PM, Lynda Ingraham wrote:


Hi Cheryl,

I have the 5s in gold. It is glitzy. With that said, I have always put 
my phones in a case. As a result when I have sold them back to Apple 
or Gazelle, I have received the highest payment. My phones are in mint 
condition when I sell them. Before I leave the mall with my new phone, 
it is in a case. Personally, I like either the silver or gold.


HTH

Lynda

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*Subject:* iPhone Colors

Maybe some of you who have seen or still have some vision can help me 
with this. I use my iPhone since the 3gs and through 4S 5 and 5S 
without case most of the time and without screen though I have tried 
screens on and off. The idea of a gold or silver phone, especially the 
gold, sounds really neat to me though I've never seen. It's not that I 
want to show off to people or anything; it just sounds like it would 
be pretty and bright. The words space grey make me think of a rainy 
day or one where rain is alway threatening (I do like rain but maybe 
you get the idea of the mood of the association). Maybe not a rainy 
day; maybe just kind of a foreboding or foggy one. But I know gold or 
silver is going to show dirt more too. Do gold and silver really look 
that cheerful in phones or am I just asking for a dirt magnet?


Thanks for any advice.

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Re: NFL Now

You can drop an email to audiopass.supp...@nfl.com or use the feedback 
link on the nfl.com/audiopass web site.


On 9/9/2014 5:21 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
Hi,  Yes that seems to be the problem I have at the moment.   I have 
let it go for now, but will keep an eye on things and see if things 
improve.  BTW, do you know how to contact them so I can report this.


Matthew

Matthew


On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:00 PM, Christopher J Chaltain 
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I'm not sure what you're asking. I don't know anything about the NFL 
Now app, but if you're on Verizon or have an AudioPass subscription 
then you can listen to games live or listen to archived games with 
the NFL Mobile app. I've reported several accessibility issues to the 
NFL on the NFL Mobile app, and I've found them pretty responsive, 
although they still haven't fixed every issue I've reported, most 
notably the inability to select your favorite team.


On 9/8/2014 1:27 PM, Kliphton wrote:
So is this the same app that is now on the appt.?  And are you 
saying they show live feeds of games?  If so I am signing up right now!


Frustrated with your Mac, I-device, or AppleTV? New user and want 
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On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Wayne Merritt wcmerr...@gmail.com 
mailto:wcmerr...@gmail.com wrote:


For what it's worht, they are willing to listen. I've been talking
with the NFL Mobile Support person through Twitter and in looking
through their timeline, I see that they have interacted with other
blind people on making their apps more accessible. No, they aren't
there yet, but they are starting to go in the right direction. I
noticed this past weekend that I was able to more easily switch
between the national, home and away streams for games I was listening
to. This was more involved before the last one or two updates to the
NFL Mobile app. If you explain what issues you are having with the nFL
Now app and that you are blind or low vision, they will look into it.
The Twitter name for NFL Mobile Support is: @NFLMobileCS

Good luck,
Wayne

On 9/8/14, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com 
mailto:brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
It's totally inaccessible don't bother, the NFL is a joke when it 
comes to

VoiceOver sorry to tell ya
On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:46 PM, David Cleveland 
davidtclevel...@gmail.com mailto:davidtclevel...@gmail.com

wrote:

Has anyone used the NFL now app? I installed it but I can't 
figure out how
to login and customize it. All I ever get is the standard video 
feed and

it never stops.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: apple watch rumored to have no speaker

I'm not sure what law you're referring to but maybe it's the 21st 
Century Telecommunications and Video Accessibility Act which was passed 
in 2010. Here's more information on this legislation 
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/21st-century-communications-and-video-accessibility-act-2010 
Please check it out, but I don't see the iWatch being covered by this law.


On 9/9/2014 9:15 PM, Brian Fischler wrote:

Hey guys,

I did a quick google search and could not find the answer, but I could 
have sworn that Congress passed a bill last year that all future 
technologies must be produced and accessible to the blind. Yes, I know 
passing a bill and implementing it are two completely different 
things. Curious if anyone else recalls this. Thanks,
On Sep 9, 2014, at 8:35 PM, Fred Olver goodfo...@charter.net 
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True, but one has to have a speaker in order to hear a beeping sound.
Fred Olver

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*Subject:*RE: apple watch rumored to have no speaker

It made a beeping sound, but siri did not talk.  It only
displayed it on the screen.
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Not true, it went off during the live event.
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I just saw this tweet from someone that is close to apple. 
That apple watch does not have a speaker.  I don't know if

this means there will be no voice over, or if there will be
blu-tooth support for headsets.  Like I said, rumored.
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Re: NFL Now

2014-09-08 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I'm not sure what you're asking. I don't know anything about the NFL Now 
app, but if you're on Verizon or have an AudioPass subscription then you 
can listen to games live or listen to archived games with the NFL Mobile 
app. I've reported several accessibility issues to the NFL on the NFL 
Mobile app, and I've found them pretty responsive, although they still 
haven't fixed every issue I've reported, most notably the inability to 
select your favorite team.


On 9/8/2014 1:27 PM, Kliphton wrote:
So is this the same app that is now on the appt.?  And are you saying 
they show live feeds of games?  If so I am signing up right now!


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For what it's worht, they are willing to listen. I've been talking
with the NFL Mobile Support person through Twitter and in looking
through their timeline, I see that they have interacted with other
blind people on making their apps more accessible. No, they aren't
there yet, but they are starting to go in the right direction. I
noticed this past weekend that I was able to more easily switch
between the national, home and away streams for games I was listening
to. This was more involved before the last one or two updates to the
NFL Mobile app. If you explain what issues you are having with the nFL
Now app and that you are blind or low vision, they will look into it.
The Twitter name for NFL Mobile Support is: @NFLMobileCS

Good luck,
Wayne

On 9/8/14, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com 
mailto:brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
It's totally inaccessible don't bother, the NFL is a joke when it 
comes to

VoiceOver sorry to tell ya
On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:46 PM, David Cleveland 
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wrote:

Has anyone used the NFL now app? I installed it but I can't figure 
out how
to login and customize it. All I ever get is the standard video 
feed and

it never stops.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Needing Help With Notification Sounds

2014-06-07 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

You've probably already checked this, but make sure your mute button 
isn't switched on.


On 6/7/2014 9:15 AM, cathy harris wrote:

I am unable to receive a notification sound when setting a reminder notice.
For example: when I set a reminder that might say:
call client at 3:00
I should, according to my settings, receive both vibrate notification and
selected sound notice. I do not get the sound notification. I only get a
verbal and vibrate notice. If I am not really paying attention and need to
be reminded of this notice, I do not hear it.

I know on some message boards, people have said that since the IOS7 upgrade,
they have the same issues.
Have any of you experienced this problem? If so, do you have a solution to
this issue?

In my job, I could really use the sound part of the reminder notification to
place calls, etc. Otherwise, the reminder app does me no good.

Oh yes; I do not receive sound notifications for the calendar event, either.
And yes, my I Phone has been turned up side down and checked 6 ways from
Sunday for some quirky setting that might not be on or some other issue. Not
done by just me but, by an instructor of I Phones. We are both flummoxed.

Can anyone help?

Thanks so much.
C



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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

2014-06-07 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I typically keep wifi and bluetooth on on my phone. Wifi also helps in 
location tracking accuracy. I don't want to forget to turn wifi on when 
I have a wifi available to me since I want to keep my cellular data 
usage down.


I also like the convenience of just being able to turn my bluetooth head 
set on and have it connect to my phone. Bluetooth is a relatively minor 
impact on your battery usage.


I generally charge my iPhone each night, but if I'm using the phone a 
lot or I'm not going to be near a PC or AC outlet then I'll start 
shutting things off to stretch my battery a bit. Just because some of us 
have easy access to a power supply doesn't mean everyone does or that 
we'll always have such easy access to top off the charge on our iPhone 
battery.


On 6/7/2014 1:45 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
Joseph, that's exactly right.  I had to force myself to learn to tell 
Siri to turn WI-FI off when it's not needed.  The same with 
Bluetooth.  For example, when listening to a downloaded book on the 
Bard reading app, I may be reading for an hour or more.  Turning off 
WI-FI and Bluetooth makes a big difference.


Regards,

Alan

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ridiculous - everyone

hasn't met me yet.

Please click on:

HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
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the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly 
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- Original Message - From: Joseph FreeTech 
joseph.freet...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


Hi all,

One of the major battery hogs is Wi-Fi. You'd be surprised the amount of
days you'll go when Wi-Fi is disabled.
Yes, sometimes an inconvenience, but the life of your battery is not
determined by time, it is determined by amount of full charge/discharge
cycles.
In other words, if your iDevice goes through the charge/discharge process
daily, and if you change how you use your device to conserve battery 
life to
2 or 3 days, then you will double or triple your device's overall 
lifespan.

Its been said that in general, using a lithium-ion battery, one has about
500 charge/discharge cycles before battery no longer holds a strong 
charge.
The cool thing about iPhone users is that within a couple of seconds 
one can

turn on and turn off Wi-Fi using Siri.

Joseph

- Original Message - From: Cristóbal crismuno...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 3:02 PM
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


I too am an every-overnight charger of my phone. I do have certain things
disabled and the screen brightness turned to zero, but still, I blaze
through the charge and often use the Mophie Juice Pack towards the end of
the day if I'm out and about. Really though, it's not that big a deal. 
You
can only disable so many things before you begin to kill the purpose 
of the

phone and its features.
Besides, it's not like it's a huge inconvenience to plug it in to charge.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Gmail
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Really? I usually have to plug my phone in every night. Admittedly, this
could be the iOS 7 dictation bug going on, but that can't account for 
all of

it.


Thanks,
Ari


On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org

wrote:


As I recall, he says that one has to recharge their battery every day.
I, for one, have never had to do that. True, I don't play 24 hours of
music or use the phone or other applications 12 to 15 hours a day,
just to pick some random numbers, but I can often go for days without
recharging. It's this kind of blanket statement that makes me wonder
how much time he spent with his phone.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

just to answer the question, though it's straying off-topic for this 
list:

the update to the Samsung Haven and the Jitterbug are the only two
feature phones i know of that are totally accessible.

Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P.
Feynman

On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher J Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:


I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this
totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly 
recently.


The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature
phone

without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages,
keep track of personal

Re: Help with mail

Gmail permanently deletes messages in the Trash folder that are around 
30 days old. If your mail was somehow all deleted, which I don't know 
how to do from your iPhone, then this might explain what you're seeing. 
Hopefully that's not the case though.


On 6/5/2014 10:56 PM, Margaret Booth wrote:

Yes I retrieved all the emails I could find in trash. The emails that I 
retrieved only went back to the beginning of May. I would like to retrieve the 
earlier emails that I saved

Margaret.  my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 12:08 pm, Joseph Hudson jhud7...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello Margaret, did you check the trash folder?


On 6/4/14, Margaret margaretebo...@gmail.com wrote:


I was just reading my emails in mail on my iPhone 5 and all my emails
disappeared   Just after a couple of new emails came through. I checked
settings to see if anything had changed and I couldn't see any changes plus
I restarted my phone. Can any one suggest what I can do to get my read
emails back.

Margaret
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Re: Help with mail

Are you using IMAP or POP? Gmail supports both. If you're using IMAP 
then the mail will be left on the server. This also means that if you 
delete all of your messages from one device they'l be deleted on all 
devices since this is occurring at the common server. If you're using 
POP then you can configure this in each client to either download all of 
the messages from the server and either delete them from the server or 
leave them on the server.


If you're using different devices to check your email, and you're using 
POP, then make sure you check your in box, trash folder and archive on 
all of your different devices for your missing email.


On 6/5/2014 11:04 PM, Margaret Booth wrote:

Yes I do have my emails downloading on to my mac. I don't have it set up so it 
doesn't leave a copy on the server   How do you do this?

Margaret

Sent
from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 11:35 am, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:

Do you also download Email on a computer?
If so, do you have the computer set to not leave a copy on the server?
That is one situation where if you have one device leave copies on the
server but the other doesn't, you could find that messages disappear off the
one device.
I'm sure there are several combinations of configurations that would account
for this issue.
HTH,
Richard

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I was just reading my emails in mail on my iPhone 5 and all my emails
disappeared   Just after a couple of new emails came through. I checked
settings to see if anything had changed and I couldn't see any changes plus
I restarted my phone. Can any one suggest what I can do to get my read
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Margaret
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Re: The easy way to never forget - you're going to love everything this does!

I didn't see anyone representing the NFB in this thread, and I don't 
recognize any contributors as NFB members. I think introducing this into 
a heated thread is irresponsible and just fanning the flames.


On 6/6/2014 5:17 PM, Andy Baracco wrote:

Deal of the Day
yeah, but there is a such a thing as staying on topic for a list. I 
find your response to be snarky to say the least, but I guess that’s 
the NFB way.

Andy
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*Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 2:08 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: The easy way to never forget - you're going to love 
everything this does!
Well, Kyle, I can't remember how many times I've seen posts from folks 
wanting to record phone conversations, remember, if you don't care to 
read my posts you can always delete them.

Hugs

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*Sent:* Friday, June 06, 2014 2:05 PM
*Subject:* Re: The easy way to never forget - you're going to love
everything this does!
How is this posting I device related?

Kyle

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

There's been a bug discussed on this list where the microphone stays on 
after you're finished dictation which causes additional battery drain. 
Like I said, it's been discussed on this list, so I'm sure you can find 
it in the archives.



On 6/6/2014 4:27 PM, Josh Gregory wrote:

What iOS 7 dictation bug? Wasn't aware of anything like that.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 6, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote:

Really? I usually have to plug my phone in every night. Admittedly, this could 
be the iOS 7 dictation bug going on, but that can't account for all of it.


Thanks,
Ari


On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org wrote:

As I recall, he says that one has to recharge their battery every day. I,
for one, have never had to do that. True, I don't play 24 hours of music or
use the phone or other applications 12 to 15 hours a day, just to pick some
random numbers, but I can often go for days without recharging. It's this
kind of blanket statement that makes me wonder how much time he spent with
his phone.

Neal


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

just to answer the question, though it's straying off-topic for this list:
the update to the Samsung Haven and the Jitterbug are the only two feature
phones i know of that are totally accessible.

Teresa

Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough.--Richard P.
Feynman

On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:40 AM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
wrote:


I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this

totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.

The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone

without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep
track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts and so
on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if they do,
it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind person's option if
they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart phone?

I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing,

but why should blind people be any different than the general population.
This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've never said a blind
person should be able to use all of the features of a smart phone and not
have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a valid point though the blind
people do not have the feature phone option and the ability to use a cell
phone without a data plan that sighted people do.

On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have

been complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released.
Some people do not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for
everything it can do. ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a
data plan, and the unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.

Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so

forgot about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function.
Oh, and the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data
plan, tended to complain because many of those desired features were then
crippled.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:

The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple

does not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.

Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?

Also has he ever heard of wifi?

Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb

technology user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.

Din


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone


Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some
time. It would have been interesting if the article had been
written by someone younger.

Neal

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't
get one. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod
Touch, or an iPad without a data plan. What are those, you say?
Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards they're not as fast for anyone
as a regular keyboard. How fast

Re: Help with mail

This is true when you're using POP. I don't think you have such an 
option if you're using IMAP, although some people have said that on some 
email servers you can set it up to automatically delete messagesfrom 
your trash folder after a few days. I haven't come across such an 
option, but I haven't looked for it either.


On 6/6/2014 1:59 PM, Alan Paganelli wrote:
When you have leave a copy on the server set to on, that lets you 
download the same message later like from your home computer.  I have 
my iPhone set this way because I may want to check my mail if I'm 
expecting an important message but I only want to read the message.  
If it is going to require a longer reply then I may decide to answer 
it from home.


If you don't care about that, then uncheck leave a copy on the server 
and once you read the message on your iPhone, it's deleted from the 
server by your internet provider.


Regards,

Alan

I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being 
ridiculous - everyone

hasn't met me yet.

Please click on:

HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances 
played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly 
on my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


- Original Message - From: Margaret Booth 
margaretebo...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: Help with mail


Yes I do have my emails downloading on to my mac. I don't have it set 
up so it doesn't leave a copy on the server   How do you do this?


Margaret

Sent
from my iPhone

On 5 Jun 2014, at 11:35 am, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com 
wrote:


Do you also download Email on a computer?
If so, do you have the computer set to not leave a copy on the server?
That is one situation where if you have one device leave copies on the
server but the other doesn't, you could find that messages disappear 
off the

one device.
I'm sure there are several combinations of configurations that would 
account

for this issue.
HTH,
Richard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf

Of Margaret
Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 10:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Help with mail



I was just reading my emails in mail on my iPhone 5 and all my emails
disappeared   Just after a couple of new emails came through. I checked
settings to see if anything had changed and I couldn't see any 
changes plus

I restarted my phone. Can any one suggest what I can do to get my read
emails back.

Margaret
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Re: Contacts list export?r

You can also store your Contacts in other cloud based services. I keep 
my contacts in Google Contacts, so I can also access them from all of my 
systems. I'd assume Exchange also allows you to do this.


On 6/4/2014 7:34 PM, Bill Holton wrote:

Thanks.
I had a bit of trouble with that app before, so I had uninstalled it.  But
after a VM crash I wound up with an empty Outlook contact list, so maybe I
will give it another shot.
Bill


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Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 1:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Contacts list export?r

That was really nice when I got my iPhone 5s in late October of last year
and my iPad Air in January.  When I logged into my account, there was all my

contacts etc.  I couldn't be happier.  I would of hated to have to do it all

over again and again for each iDevice.

Regards,

Alan

I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being
ridiculous - everyone
hasn't met me yet.

Please click on:

HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Contacts list export?r


Hello Bill. Just download and install the ICloud Control Panel. It will
create an ICloud mail box with a folder that contains your Contacts folder.
When you make changes they are updated on all of your devices. ICloud
Control Panel will also synch your callendars and bookmarks.


On Jun 3, 2014, at 4:40 PM, Bill Holton bill32...@gmail.com wrote:



Sent from my iPhone hi.
Is there a way to export my iPhone or Mac contacts and put them in a
format where I can use them to import into Outlook? Thanks.

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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I assume David isn't talking about me specifically, but if so, this 
totally misrepresents the opinion I've stated and stated fairly recently.


The fact of the matter is that a sighted person can buy a feature phone 
without a data plan. They can still make calls, send text messages, keep 
track of personal information (like reminders, appointments, contacts 
and so on). I'm not sure a blind person has this option any more, and if 
they do, it's getting harder and harder to find. What are a blind 
person's option if they just want a feature phone and don't want a smart 
phone?


I'm not saying there aren't blind people who want something for nothing, 
but why should blind people be any different than the general 
population. This isn't what I and others are asking for though. I've 
never said a blind person should be able to use all of the features of a 
smart phone and not have to purchase a data plan. I do think it's a 
valid point though the blind people do not have the feature phone option 
and the ability to use a cell phone without a data plan that sighted 
people do.


On 6/5/2014 2:51 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

The point about a data plan is a point some in the blind community have been 
complaining about ever since the accessible iPhone 3GS was released. Some people do 
not wish to have a data plan, but still want an iPhone for everything it can do. 
ATT would not sell an iPhone on contract without a data plan, and the 
unsubsidised price of the iPhone is quite high.

Personally, I have not heard this complaint for a couple years now, so forgot 
about it. SmartPhones require data plans in order to fully function. Oh, and 
the same people, when they could get the carriers to remove the data plan, 
tended to complain because many of those desired features were then crippled.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 5 Jun 2014, at 17:31, don bishop donb...@emissives.com wrote:

The first thing that jumped right out at me was his statement that apple does 
not offer a data plan and you need one to get on the internet.
Doesn't he know that dataplans are controled by your phone carrier?  Also has 
he ever heard of wifi?

Simply shocking from someone who should know better.
Yes, he's been around for a very long time and was head of the nfb technology 
user's group.   Don't know if still is or not.
Din


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 4, 2014 10:13 pm
Subject: RE: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone



Curtis Chong the author of this article has been around for some time. It
would have been interesting if the article had been written by someone
younger.

Neal

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Um. Where to start? Well, if you don't want a smart phone, don't get one. If
you don't want to pay for a data plan, get an iPod Touch, or an iPad without
a data plan. What are those, you say? Hmmm. As for the virtual keyboards
they're not as fast for anyone as a regular keyboard. How fast was the old
method of using the teeny keys on a real phone keyboard or even the numpad
keys for typing letters? Not very. And why not use Siri to call a number?
What is Siri? Hmmm.

I will say that I have come across folks at my local blind center who
receive iPhones and haven't the slightest idea how to operate them. A
well-meaning person might have given it as a gift, but they ask me why they
can't do things more simply. Maybe for some, a bit more one-on-one attention
would have been a good idea.

having said this, I think this article is more than a tad condescending, if
addressed to most blind folks out there.

Teresa

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On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:52 PM, 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:


Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering

the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would be
very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are not
good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.  I plan to
write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my responses to the ten
objections but I'll just say that it's one of the most irresponsible pieces
of journalism I've ever read from that magazine.  Please, understand that
this is not meant as a bash about the NFB vs any other organization or even
a criticism of the Monitor.  However, the piece infuriated me because the
NFB is a highly influential organization and many of its members and readers
of the Monitor will take the article seriously just because it comes from a
nationally recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I read the article when I first saw the URL show up on various lists. I 
didn't save the URL, but it was easy enough to find with Google. BTW, he 
does include an even longer list of the good things about the iPhone.


The URL to the article is at 
https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm14/bm1406/bm140608.htm


On 6/5/2014 7:57 AM, Paul Ferrara wrote:
David, I understand your concern; if the article is as poor as you 
say, it is disturbing. However, there are plenty of positive things 
out there, word of mouth, etc. So hopefully most people who are 
interested will find much more positive things to counteract the 
negatives in this article. By the way, if anyone has the link to the 
article, post it please so we all can read it and perhaps comment if 
the magazine allows for comments.


Thank you.

Paul

-Original Message- From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Has anyone read the June Braille Monitor?  there is an article covering
the supposed pros and cons of the iPhone.  I have to admit that it would
be very difficult for me to come up with a list of ten things which are
not good about the iPhone but this article supposedly did just that.
I plan to write a detailed blog post in the coming week with my
responses to the ten objections but I'll just say that it's one of the
most irresponsible pieces of journalism I've ever read from that
magazine.  Please, understand that this is not meant as a bash about the
NFB vs any other organization or even a criticism of the Monitor.
However, the piece infuriated me because the NFB is a highly influential
organization and many of its members and readers of the Monitor will
take the article seriously just because it comes from a nationally
recognized blindness organization.  My fear is that many people may read
this article and will be convinced to not buy an iPhone due to things
which the article claims are not good about the device.


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Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

This is true and a good point, but it doesn't apply to those blind 
people who wouldn't be buying those extra devices.


On 6/5/2014 12:20 PM, Victor Gouveia wrote:

David,

I think you should have mentioned, when stating the cost of the iPhone 
is over 600 dollars was to point out that if one were to purchase a 
separate unit to do all of the things the iPhone does for the blind, 
the cost would run well over thousands of dollars, such as the 
Humanware Trekker Breeze, the SARA Scanner or Pearl Camera from 
Freedom Scientific, or the Digital Talking Book Player, such as the 
Humanware Victor Reader or the BookPort/BookSense.


Each of these items perform only one function which is a fragment of 
what the iPhone currently has to offer a blind person, and yet, only 
the cost of the phone is looked at.


All in all, it was a good response to an otherwise pitiful excuse for 
what was supposed to be an unbiased article.




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-Original Message- From: 'David Goldfield' via VIPhone
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 1:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

Here is the article which I have just published to my blog.

My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the iPhone
Comment on My comments on the Braille Monitor Article concerning the 
iPhone

the June 2014 edition of the Braille Monitor contained an article by
Curtis Chong titled Knowing what Is Good about the iPhone and What is
Not.I was intrigued by the title. I have to admit that I've become quite
the Apple fanboy of late and I would have a very difficult time in
coming up with a list of ten objections or things which are not good
about the iPhone. In fact, I'm having a very difficult time in coming up
with a list of one or two things which are not good about the iPhone.
However, no product is perfect and I can handle objectively written
product evaluations. Unfortunately, this article was not one of them.
I'm going to reprint each of the objections stated by Mr. Chong in their
entirety, with my comments below each objection.
What Is Not Good About The iPhone
1. If you don't want to pay for a data plan, the iPhone has no option
for that. A data plan will cost you about twenty dollars a month. You
need a data plan for the iPhone to be able to communicate over the 
Internet.

Response: you need to pay for a monthly plan to get anything on the
Internet. If a consumer already has an Internet connection in his home,
he can buy an iPod Touch or an iPad. These devices run iOS and don't
require an additional monthly data plan. The fact is that any computer
or device that accesses the Internet is usually going to require you to
pay for some sort of access plan.
2. It is very inefficient to make a simple phone call with the iPhone,
particularly if you don't have a person in your contacts list. You can
dial a phone number that you know much more quickly with a keypad that
has real, physical buttons.
Response: not at all. You can simply press the home button and command
siri to call any number, such as saying call 302 555-1212. That's
hardly what I'd call inefficient. Also, a consumer can order screen
protectors from Speeddots containing tactile keyboard overlays.
Finally, the rivo keyboard, while insanely expensive, gives you a keypad
allowing for quick telephone entry and it also provides keyboard
commands which let you control many other functions of the iPhone.
3. On the iPhone touch typing for texting and email is very slow as
compared to a regular keyboard; this has been somewhat mitigated by
Braille apps, of which there are now two. However, you should know that
research has shown that, on average, a blind person entering data using
the touch-screen QWERTY keyboard is writing at about three words per
minute. By contrast, users of the built-in Braille apps have been
clocked at around 23 words per minute.
response: you can use any number of Bluetooth keyboards if you want to
compose a lengthy email or text message. For short text messages,
composing one is as quick as dictating the text to Siri, just as you can
use your voice to place a call.
4. The iPhone is very much a technology requiring good hand-ear
coordination. People who want real buttons that they can operate
silently by touch will be very disappointed in the iPhone.
As I stated in a previous response, you can purchase affordable tactile
overlays from Speeddots. Besides, in the section in the article covering
the iPhone's strengths, it is stated correctly that the iPhone
demonstrates, with a properly designed user interface, that blind people
can successfully operate a touchscreen.
5. Battery life for the iPhone is still an issue. You have to charge it
at least once a day--a lot more if you use GPS.
Response: yes, I long for

Re: NFB June Braille Monitor/Article on the iPhone

I've heard from several blind people who got an iPhone because they were 
told it was their only accessible cell phone option or that it was so 
easy to use for a blind person. I've also seen people on lists like this 
saying that any blind person who wants a cell phone should just get an 
iPhone and not bother with the few accessible feature phones that are 
out there. I think there's definitely a pervasive attitude out there 
that the iPhone is the way to go if you're blind and want a cell phone, 
even if you're not going to use the smart phone features. I don't know 
why Curtis Chong wrote this article, but I suspect it was this pervasive 
opinion that he was specifically addressing.


On 6/5/2014 7:34 AM, Ari Moisio wrote:

Hi

Some sighted buy it because it looks so cool, some will buy it because 
its Apple. Many blind will buy because they  have heard it is accessible.





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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-04 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I'm curious, those of you who never use iTunes, how do you get 20G or 
30G of music over into the Music app of the iPhone? It's true, I don't 
think I've ever used iTunes to transfer miscellaneous files over to my 
iPhone, sync contacts, transfer BARD books and the like, but I do use it 
to transfer and sync my music, update my iPhone and backup my iPhone. 
Obviously, I can update my iPhone over the air and back it up to iCloud, 
but I'm not sure how to get a whole bunch of Music over to the iPhone 
without using something like Match or a 3rd party cloud service.


On 6/3/2014 10:25 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote:

Hi Robert,

I ditto what you had to say. The only reason I mentioned One Drive is that I am 
nearly out of space in Dropbox and I wanted to have another solution instead of 
paying for more space. I'm with you in that I haven't used iTunes to move files 
in and out of each platform in years. To me, I find it too clunky and either 
Dropbox or One Drive is much easier to use and more accessible. JMO.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 7:02 PM, Robert Stigile rstig...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello All,
You should try Dropbox.
I love it..
I share files between my pc, i phone and my notetaker.
I create folders on dropbox, then I just drop my files in there, even my music, 
and it is available for any device that I choose to use.
I can not remember when I last used I-tunes for transferring files.
Good luck,


- Original Message -
From: Neal Ewers neal.ew...@ravenswood.org
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 6:43 pm
Subject: RE: Accessibility Features in iOS8



I'm guessing the lack of a file system was not an oversight. How many people 
would stop using iTunes if they could move files back and forth from their 
device to their computer or other devices? I'm thinking Apple did this 
intentionally for this and other reasons to protect their proprietary 
personality. After trying to purchase DropBox, which would have gotten them a 
lot closer to making file transfers easier, they are now about to offer their 
own version of a DropBox like system. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's 
just an Apple way of doing things. But I don't think a company like Apple with 
all its brain power would have simply forgotten to include a file system.

Neal

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher J Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 8:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able to 
access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only work on 
an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the folder structure 
you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive and then 5G won't go very 
far.

I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying folder and 
file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on Apple's part. It's 
part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if Apple were to change this 
any time soon, and for me at least, it just became part of the decision making 
process. I'm getting an easier to use, more accessible and more secure device 
at the cost of being able to access the underlying file structure of the iPhone.
On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be able to 
use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That said, if an app 
integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will have basically what you 
are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac 
app. you can drop it anywhere in your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to 
browse to and open that file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, 
imagine dumping zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I 
hope I'm making sense.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com wrote:



I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and to be able 
to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my iPhone as if it were 
an external drive.  I  resent having to use iTunes for any file/folder 
management task and would dearly love to tell Apple to take iTunes and shove it 
way up where the sun don't shine.

Sent from my iPhone



On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a monumental
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
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From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2

Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-04 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

This isn't exactly true. Any Unix or Linux box I've installed or 
administered myself, I've had access to the entire file system. It's 
only been on systems where I've just been granted a user account where I 
only have access to my own home folder. For example, on the laptop I'm 
using right now, which is running Ubuntu, I have access to the systems 
entire file system.


On 6/4/2014 2:01 AM, RobH. wrote:

To pick up a point about access to the whole file structure of the
iDevice,...   Unix has never allowed that for security reasons,  the most
you got is a Home directory/folder;  so Apple could implement that for the
same reasons;  so long as we had a Folder to organise our own personal stuff
in how we like. Mac must do this, windows has, or had,  Documents and
Settings for user data trees; so it's pretty old hat now.

RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able
to access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only
work on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the
folder structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive
and then 5G won't go very far.

I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying
folder and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on
Apple's part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if
Apple were to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just
became part of the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to
use, more accessible and more secure device at the cost of being able to
access the underlying file structure of the iPhone.

On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be
able to use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That
said, if an app integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will
have basically what you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For
example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in
your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to browse to and open that
file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, imagine dumping
zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I hope
I'm making sense.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com
mailto:lang...@gmail.com wrote:


I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and
to be able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my
iPhone as if it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use
iTunes for any file/folder management task and would dearly love to
tell Apple to take iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com
mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why
Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used
the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a
monumental
and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net mailto:n0...@charter.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,
I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.
I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the
Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important
messages.  All
I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS
8 but
...
Mark
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 1:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8
No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.
Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu
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On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy

Re: assembling the scan stand pro

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

It's a stand you can use to hold your phone while you're scanning a 
document. It keeps the phone steady and the right distance from the 
document. You can read more at 
http://standscan.com/index.php/product/standscan-pro.html which I found 
with Google.


On 6/3/2014 6:46 AM, Mrs Villa wrote:

hello
what is this device your talking about and what does it do? sorry i've never 
heard of it.
best si



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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

In the announcements this week, it said that IOS 8 would be supported on 
the iPhone 4S and later.


Performance improvements can always be made in an OS to keep it running 
on older hardware, take IOS 7.1.1 on the 4S for example. I suspect 
you're right though. There's not much incentive to keep improving 
performance on older hardware and there's a lot of reason to take 
advantage of the faster speeds and newer features on the newer hardware.


On 6/3/2014 11:12 AM, RobH. wrote:

Coo, a 4 had better be left with that, 8 would probably terminally cripple
it.

RobH.
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Well, my iPhone for is still running version 6X. I seem to remember noting
that version eight will not be available for the four. So, I will leave
before running that version. Why? Because it holds the battery power much
more efficiently than version 7X. Also, because I like to do the online
cryptic crossword with the guardian and this is simply not possible with
more recent updates to I OS.

Sandy

Sent from my iPhone


On 3 Jun 2014, at 16:06, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Not very many since not many people are on iOS 6 any more. They said
during
the presentation that 90% of all iPhone users are on iOS 7.


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It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.

Rh.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 2:19 AM
Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features

we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have the beta, so
I
can't break an NDA.

* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as said on
Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of this. Yes,
Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a keyboard appears,
from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!

That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard iOS8
features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!

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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-03 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I'm not sure iCloud Drive would satisfy those people who want to be able 
to access their iPhone like a thumb drive. iCloud Drive would still only 
work on an app by app basis. You couldn't copy your music over in the 
folder structure you want, unless the Music app supported iCloud Drive 
and then 5G won't go very far.


I too would like this feature myself, i.e. accessing the underlying 
folder and file structure of the iPhone, but this isn't an oversight on 
Apple's part. It's part of the design of the iPhone. I'd be surprised if 
Apple were to change this any time soon, and for me at least, it just 
became part of the decision making process. I'm getting an easier to 
use, more accessible and more secure device at the cost of being able to 
access the underlying file structure of the iPhone.


On 6/3/2014 7:16 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
Well, iOS devices are not thumb drives, and I doubt you will ever be 
able to use one as such without a third-party app of some kind. That 
said, if an app integrates the upcoming iCloud Drive option, you will 
have basically what you are seeking, on an app-by-app basis. For 
example, say you edit a PDF in a Mac app. you can drop it anywhere in 
your iCloud Drive, then use some app on iOS to browse to and open that 
file. If Voice Dream were to support iCloud Drive, imagine dumping 
zipped Daisy books into the drive, then opening them in VDR. I hope 
I'm making sense.
On Jun 3, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Tom Lange lang...@gmail.com 
mailto:lang...@gmail.com wrote:


I would really like the ability to do file and folder management and 
to be able to transfer files of all types from my PC or laptop to my 
iPhone as if it were an external drive.  I  resent having to use 
iTunes for any file/folder management task and would dearly love to 
tell Apple to take iTunes and shove it way up where the sun don't shine.


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 3, 2014, at 9:08 AM, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com 
mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:


File management: I know there are apps that do it, so sure,  why 
Apple don't
provide something at system level has always bugged me.  I have used 
the
apps, but having such a fundamental feature built-in, would be a 
monumental

and long-overdue benefit.

JMO, RobH.
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8


Certainly, the ability to have other keyboards system wide is a great
improvement. There wre 2 things I was hoping for that it appears we
will not be getting. First, the ability to install other voices and use
them system wide. Each person has their own voice preferences, but at
this point, any new voices that are installed can only be used with one
application. The other feature I wish we would have gotten is file
management. As far as I know, I O S is the only platform where copying
and moving files is very difficult.
Original message:

Hello,



I just watched the keynote and the one thing I was hoping for, does not
appear to be coming to iOS 8.  Hopefully, I'm wrong but I fear not.


I would truly love to be able to organize the threads in the 
Messages app;
you know, be able to create folders so I can save important 
messages.  All

I
saw in the keynote was the ability to name threads in group messages.
Again, I'm hoping I'm wrong and they will bring this feature to iOS 
8 but

...



Mark



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No just the Fall. If it's like previous years mid September.



Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu 
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On 03/06/2014 08:58, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:
Did anyone give a precise date for the release of ios8?



Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone


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mailto:bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:



It will be interesting to see just how many make the leap from iOs 6.*
straight up to 8.*.



Rh.
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Subject: Accessibility Features in iOS8




Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.



* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know
for
sure)
* six-key braille input on-screen (no

Re: Questions regarding Aps and IPhone 5S

2014-06-02 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I agree, it doesn't sound like you'd need more than 2G of data. The 
other question is how often you'll be able to use wifi. If you'll 
consistently have access to wifi, such as you have it at home, then you 
can safely update IOS and your apps over the air without having to worry 
about your cellular data. Even if you don't have wifi, but you'll be 
hooking your phone up to your PC or Mac occasionally, then you can 
update the phone and apps that way, and again wouldn't have to worry 
about those using up your 2G.


On 6/2/2014 2:26 PM, Steve wrote:

Eve,

2GB should be fine for those needs.  The only thing that will involve 
a bit of data is sending pics of items to Tap-Tap-See to be 
recognized.  General internet browsing, emails, sending texts, don't 
use much data unless you watch a lot of video or plan to listen to a 
great deal of music streaming.


In any event, you can have VZW set up to send you an alert when you 
consume half or three-quarters of your data allotment for that billing 
cycle. Secondly, you can turn off certain apps which consume data from 
the cellular data in your iPhone settings.


Take my advice, I don't use it anyway.

Steve
Lansing, MI


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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Subject: Questions regarding Aps and IPhone 5S


Hi All,

As I stated in an earlier message last week, I intend to purchase an 
IPhone

5S in the near future.
I have Verizon as my carrier  plan to have 2 GB data.  I've heard on 
this
list that lots of aps use the internet.  Would it be better to 
purchase more
GB, or just don't use the ones that require the internet connection?  
I only

want to text once in a while, and be able to identify objects and colors
with the iPhone.  Also, I would like to use the ap that can read a 
printed

page after taking a picture of it with the camera.  Would someone please
explain all this stuff to me?  Thanks!

Eve



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Re: how to move Itunes library to new pc

2014-06-02 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I did this not too long ago, and I just followed the instructions at 
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4527


On 6/2/2014 5:42 AM, Fanus wrote:

Hello list
I know this was discussed before but then I did not need the advice. I 
upgraded to windows 7. Is there aa way to copy my itunes library from 
the old hard drive to a folder on the windows 7 pc?

Regards
Fanus
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Re: Accessibility Features in iOS8

2014-06-02 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

What will the new Apple keyboard do? I've heard it'll have smarter 
predictive capabilities, but is there anything else to it?


Even if it can do a lot more that doesn't mean there won't be people who 
prefer Fleksy. After all, there's a reason there are almost a million 
apps in the Ap Store.


Furthermore, I think we'll have to get our hands on the new keyboard 
before we know for sure if it's superior to Fleksy or not.


On 6/2/2014 9:07 PM, Kliphton --- wrote:

Who cares about fleksy when the new apple key board does way more
On Jun 2, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
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Hi all,
I just wanted to let everyone know the major new iOS8 accessibility 
features we know so far. This is from the Keynote - I don't even have 
the beta, so I can't break an NDA.


* Better Zoom
* Touch ID and a countdown timer as ways to exit Assistive Touch
* multi-device support for compatible hearing aids
* the Alex voice from OS X (possibly for Siri, or VO, we don't know 
for sure)

* six-key braille input on-screen (no clue what this will look like)
* third-party keyboard support for the whole system, and Fleksy as 
said on Twitter that it will be among the first to take advantage of 
this. Yes, Fleksy will soon be available at any point in iOS when a 
keyboard appears, from Mail to the App store to, well, anywhere!


That's all I can think of for now, but between those and the standard 
iOS8 features, this is shaping up to be a very, very exciting release!


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Re: Exploring my iPhone?

2014-06-01 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

If you want to place a call, bring up the Phone app and double tap on 
the Keypad tab on the bottom of the screen. You'll now have a telephone 
style keypad on the touch screen. As Alex says, you can explore the 
screen just by moving your finger around on the screen. VoiceOver will 
tell you as you touch the numbers and other objects on the screen.


On 6/1/2014 11:58 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
Practice only lets you practice gestures, it does not tell you 
anything about what is on the screen. When you touch something on the 
screen while not in practice mode, that item is spoken as is any hint 
it has. I'm not sure I follow your question - if you know the iPod, 
then you know the iPhone. For dialing, just use the same keyboard 
input you are used to; touch the numbers until you find the right one, 
then either tap with another finger, double tap, or lift your finger, 
depending on your setting.
On Jun 1, 2014, at 12:54 PM, Connie Mohney conniemoh...@sbcglobal.net 
mailto:conniemoh...@sbcglobal.net wrote:



Hello to all,

Is there a way I can explore my iPhone to find out where the 
different buttons are?  I went into settings.  Then clicked on 
general,then accessibility.  Finally, I clicked on voice over.  In 
that section there is voiceover practice. I clicked on voiceover 
practice.  I have the hang of flicking and tapping from my iPod.  
When I touch any of the dots on my phone all it says istouch select  
item under your finger.Maybe I don't have things set up correctly? 
I'm trying to find out where the numbers are and find out what the 
different buttons are when I want to make a call.  Sorry if I'm not 
being clear here.  Thank you.


Connie


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Re: Question about contacts

The groups button has been in the Contacts app for as long as I've had 
my phone, going back to IOS 5. It's how you manage contacts from 
different sources, such as Outloud, Google, iCloud and so on. It isn't 
for creating your own groups of contacts. Maybe it's only recently been 
added to the Contacts tab in the Phone app.


On 5/31/2014 5:41 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

Sieghard I think the groups button was added in a recent update. All
of a sudden it just appeared. I don't use the outlook feature so I
don't think it came from there.

On 5/30/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

I have a Groups button as well, but it probably is synced across from
Outlook because I just have things like All Contacts, contacts from my
individual accounts, iCloud Contacts and so on.


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At my end it just happened. One day I opened the contacts tab in the Phone
app and there was a groups button.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 30/05/2014 20:26, DJ wrote:

Strange, I haven't been able to create groups.  I listened to a
podcast demonstrating how to do it but I found no groups option.  Is
there something I need to do to make it happen?

DJ


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I can see all my contacts. Make sure if you have groups set up such as
iCloud that they're all showing. Easy fix would be to double tap
groups then double tapp all contacts.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 30/05/2014 19:48, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

Hello,

When I had only 3 contacts I could find them and use them, but now
that I have around 60 I only find a few of them. What do I have to do
to see the whole list of contacts and to choose the one I want?
Thank you,
Rena

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Re: E-Mail Addresses in Mail

Email clients, like Outlook, Lotus Notes, Thunderbird, Gmail and so on, 
keep track of the addresses you use. For example, if you send a message 
to the viphone list then these clients will remember them, even if it 
isn't in your contacts or address book. With these other clients, you 
can bring up this list of remembered email addresses and delete them or 
move them into your contacts or treat them like any other contact. Using 
Google search, it looks like the Mail app on the iPhone remembers these 
addresses but doesn't let you access them. This was just a quick Google 
search, so don't depend on it too much without doing your own research.


On 5/31/2014 2:15 PM, SSEric wrote:

Quite a number of addresses are auto-filled and not in my contacts. For
instance, Viphone and most all other mailing list addresses.

E

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Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 12:19 PM
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Subject: Re: E-Mail Addresses in Mail

I'm not sure that the addresses really are actually in the email app.  I
suspect they are derived from your contacts where you added an email
address.

Regards,

Alan

I told my psychiatrist that everyone hates me. He said I was being
ridiculous - everyone
hasn't met me yet.

Please click on:

HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

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Subject: Re: E-Mail Addresses in Mail


No this is not possible then.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 30/05/2014 18:31, SSEric wrote:

Chris, thank you for the suggestion. I wasn't as clear as I should have
been. What I would like to do is see the entire list of email addresses
that are stored in the mail app. I assume they are there somewhere.

Thanks again for all help.



On May 30, 2014, at 10:49 AM, SSEric sseri...@gmail.com wrote:

When using the Mail app, e-mail addresses are automatically filled in as I
type. For the most part, these are not in my Contacts. Where are these
addresses stored, and can I access them to copy or edit, etc.

Thanks!

Eric




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Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone

There's an address and search bar at the top of the page. It's in the 
center at the very top of the screen, just below the time. A two finger 
swipe up followed by a right flick or two will get you there.


On 5/31/2014 1:58 PM, brian albriton wrote:

How do you go to another page and chrome?  In other words, how do I simply go 
to a web address? I don't see a place to enter an address. All the best, Brian


On May 29, 2014, at 10:09 PM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I have and still do use Chrome from time to time. I've never tried the voice 
feature though. I don't recall having any trouble putting in a URL and going to 
that page. Using three fingers swipes up or down does change the pages for me. 
This isn't too useful since it just updates the page on the screen, and I can 
get to the whole page by flicking left and right without having to page up or 
down.


On 5/30/2014 12:00 AM, brian albriton wrote:
I'm experimenting with chrome. There's a very simple screen up that says search 
by voice no need to type page 1 of three. When I double tap the search by voice 
nothing seems to happen well, actually nothing does happen. I've tried changing 
pages, and using the two gestures I know swiping up or down with three fingers 
or from right to left with three fingers doesn't seem to change anything. Has 
anybody had success using chrome?


On May 27, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Christopher,

You are correct in that Chrom and Firefox are truly multi-platform browsers,
however, you're a bit out of date on Safari and Windows. Apple discontinued
updating Safari for Windows in 2012 and a year later even stopped supporting
bookmark sync with Safari in the iCloud Control Panel. See this link for
more:

http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/19/farewell-windows-safari-as-apple-excludes-from
-icloud-bookmark-sync/


Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:47 PM
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Subject: Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone

I'm confused by the question. Chrome is a browser from Google. It runs on
Windows, Linux, IOS, Android and probably more platforms. Safari is a
browser from Apple and it runs on Apple products and Windows. I'm sorry if I
didn't answer your question.


On 05/27/2014 07:31 AM, todd patkus wrote:
David,

Just to be sure, Chrome is more Windows-based for Google while Safari
is more Apple-based for Google?

Todd


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From: David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent:
Mon, 26 May 2014 13:49:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone
I actually tried Chrome again and this time I was able to pull up

a website..  It loaded very fast.  I do think it is faster than Safari
is.  However I do find that some of the functions that are easy to
find and Safari are not easily found in Chrome.  There does not seem
to be a good menu structure in the program.  There are not a lot of
buttons to do things.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Christopher Hallsworth

christopher...@gmail..com wrote:


Hi all
I tried Safari with the marks and Spencers website and VoiceOver

kept jumping all over the place.  Would Chrome or another browser I
tried Instabrowser solve this problem? If so I'll go ahead and install
Instabrowser on my iPhone since I have Chrome already. I'll also
install Chrome and Instabrowser on my iPad.  Any comments greatly

appreciated.

Thanks!


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 26/05/2014 17:32, Christopher J Chaltain wrote:
If I'm going to launch a browser directly, I launch Google

Chrome.  I

find it a bit faster than Safari, and I like the fact that my

favorites

are synced with my other systems.  I know I could do this with

iCloud,

but I use Chrome and Firefox on my other systems instead of

Internet

Explorer and Safari.  I also had a problem in a previous version

of IOS

where double tapping on a link in Safari would double tap on

some other

text on the page.  This just got me into the habit of using

Google Chrome..


All that being said, since Safari is the default browser, and

this can't

be changed in IOS, if I double tap on a link in a message and

Safari

comes up then I'll just stay in Safari.

On 5/26/2014 11:19 AM, brian albriton wrote:
Hi Christopher.  What is your preference.  Google Chrome, or

Safari.


On May 26, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Christopher J Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
I use Google Chrome quite frequently on my iPhone.  I had not

noticed

that large parts of it were inaccessible.  If you have any

specifics,

I could check it out and let you know what I run into.

On 5/26/2014 9:39 AM, David Cleveland wrote:
Has anyone had luck with alternative browsers? I tried using

Google

Chrome but a lot of it seem

Re: Celular Data and personal hotspot?

I'm not sure what the situation is here, but you might want to turn 
cellular data off if you're going to a place where you don't have access 
to a cellular tower. You'll save quite a bit of battery in this case. 
Also, if you'll be paying international charges for your cellular data, 
you may want to turn cellular off to ensure you don't get such charges. 
There may also be cases when you're running close to your data limit, 
and you have access to wifi, where you may want to shut down your 
cellular data.



On 5/31/2014 11:02 PM, Lori Dent wrote:

Thanks Seighard.I'll just leave cellular data turned on. Take care.
Lori and the Gipper
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Re: Question about contacts

2014-05-30 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

These are not user created groups. You'll have one group for your 
contacts on Google, another for those local on your iPhone, another for 
those in iCloud, one for those in Facebook and so on. To create your own 
groups then you'll need a 3rd party app.


On 5/30/2014 2:31 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:
At my end it just happened. One day I opened the contacts tab in the 
Phone app and there was a groups button.


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 30/05/2014 20:26, DJ wrote:

Strange, I haven't been able to create groups.  I listened to a podcast
demonstrating how to do it but I found no groups option.  Is there 
something

I need to do to make it happen?

DJ


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Subject: Re: Question about contacts

I can see all my contacts. Make sure if you have groups set up such as
iCloud that they're all showing. Easy fix would be to double tap 
groups then

double tapp all contacts.

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 30/05/2014 19:48, gracewelln...@atlanticbb.net wrote:

Hello,

When I had only 3 contacts I could find them and use them, but now
that I have around 60 I only find a few of them. What do I have to do
to see the whole list of contacts and to choose the one I want?
Thank you,
Rena


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Re: Thinking about a new iPhone and have a battery question

2014-05-30 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I'd definitely make people aware that a new iPhone may be coming out 
this fall or even sooner, but it's up to each person to decide whether 
they should wait or not. I bought my iPhone in April, and although I 
could have waited four or five months when the new iPhone was announced, 
that would have been another four months I wasn't using an iPhone.


On 5/30/2014 8:12 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote:

I just wanted to add that if you are thinking of purchasing a new
phone, you should wait till the next IPhone comes out either now or in
the fall.

On 5/30/14, Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com wrote:

The 5S supposedly has longer battery life.  However, new features and
functions drink power.  For example, auto app refresh brings down the
battery as updates to apps are downloaded.  the 5s also has two
processors instead of one, each working independently on different
tasks.

Kelly



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Hello,
Thanks for your thoughts.
Of course, the other thing is the WWDC next week. After any announcements
are made, I may decide in favor of the a newer phone.At this time, I have
not decided anything at all.
I am really looking forward to WWDC on Monday.


Sent from my Sprint iPhone 4S.


On May 30, 2014, at 5:42 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Joseph,

How long your battery will last is such a subjective thing and depends
on
so
many variables that it's hard to say. I went from a 4S to a 5S last fall
and
found it to be very much the same, not worse, maybe a touch better. Of
course you have to keep in mind that your 4S battery is probably 2 or 2
and
a half years old depending on whether you got the 4S right after release
or
not. This means a new 5S may very well last a bit longer.


Regards,
SieghardHowever, as far as your 4S is concern

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Hello,
I currently have an iPhone 4s. I'm considering purchasing an iPhone 5 s.
When you switched from the 4S to the 5S, what kind of difference did you
find as far as battery usage is concerned?
Thanks.


Sent from my Sprint iPhone 4S.

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Re: Still confused about putting my saffari book marks into my iPad mini

If you won't be using iCloud then I think you have to synch the 
bookmarks on your iPhone with Internet Explorer on your PC and then sync 
your PC with your iPad Mini. Internet Explorer on your PC is the 
application that talks to both your iPhone and your iPad Mini.


I haven't used iCloud this way, but I would expect you could just turn 
iCloud on on both your iPhone and your iPad Mini, configure it to just 
store your Safari bookmarks and you'd be done. The scenario you're 
describing is exactly what the cloud is for.


On 5/29/2014 7:00 PM, Jen Colley wrote:

Hi,
I looked today to try and put my book marked pages that are on my 
iPhone into my iPad mini.
I went to info in itunes and checked the box but it said sync book 
marks with internet explorer.
I don’t want the book marks that are on my computer but rather I want 
to take the book marks from saffari on my iPhone and put them in to 
saffari on my iPad.
Not sure how to do this since I have a windows pc or will I have to 
manually add them again.

Jen
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Re: Setting to Turn Off Repeated notifications

If you're talking about the setting Settings - Notification Center - 
Messages - Repeat Alert then if you set it to never, you'll see the 
message once but it'll never be repeated. If you set it to once then 
it'll be repeated once, i.e. it'll pop up once more after you saw it the 
initial time.


On 5/29/2014 10:40 PM, Cathy wrote:
Should I turn this to never or to once to get the alerts, but not have 
it read them over and over again?  Thanks for the info in advance.


Cathy  Pilot Dog, Tiny:


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Re: [New post] GE integrates iBeacon into new LED light fixtures, Walmart installing in stores worldwide

I see a reference in the email to a link with more information, but I 
don't find such a link. Anyone have the link to the full article?


This uses very low energy short range bluetooth, so I'm sure it effects 
your battery, but I wouldn't expect it to be a terrible battery hog.


It also seems rather secure. The iBeacon just makes it's presence known 
to the iDevice. It's the application on the iDevice that does all of the 
work, so if Apple doesn't allow any malware to get into the App Store 
then you should be fine.


BTW, I did read more about this at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBeacon



On 5/29/2014 7:31 PM, Joseph FreeTech wrote:

Though promising, this technology seems to have the potential of signaling
the iDevice to the point of completely draining one's battery. That is,
constant requests from every iBeakon one walks past can potentially become
very annoying. Smile. Of course the solution would be to disable the
feature, but what about the times you want it on? One would have to
constantly turn this feature on and off much like Wi-Fi at public places
etc.

What about the information exchange when one's iDevice receives the signal
and the user okays the prompt to have content delivered? This seems like a
potential security risk depending on who has access to the iBeacon code; I'm
thinking additional spamware added with the iBeacon signal and screen
messages.

Hopefully someone will correct for all this, and hopefully the technique
will deliver what many visually impaired and blind users are anticipating it
will deliver. Smile.

Joseph

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Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone

I have and still do use Chrome from time to time. I've never tried the 
voice feature though. I don't recall having any trouble putting in a URL 
and going to that page. Using three fingers swipes up or down does 
change the pages for me. This isn't too useful since it just updates the 
page on the screen, and I can get to the whole page by flicking left and 
right without having to page up or down.


On 5/30/2014 12:00 AM, brian albriton wrote:

I'm experimenting with chrome. There's a very simple screen up that says search 
by voice no need to type page 1 of three. When I double tap the search by voice 
nothing seems to happen well, actually nothing does happen. I've tried changing 
pages, and using the two gestures I know swiping up or down with three fingers 
or from right to left with three fingers doesn't seem to change anything. Has 
anybody had success using chrome?


On May 27, 2014, at 9:31 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

Hi Christopher,

You are correct in that Chrom and Firefox are truly multi-platform browsers,
however, you're a bit out of date on Safari and Windows. Apple discontinued
updating Safari for Windows in 2012 and a year later even stopped supporting
bookmark sync with Safari in the iCloud Control Panel. See this link for
more:

http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/19/farewell-windows-safari-as-apple-excludes-from
-icloud-bookmark-sync/


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2014 6:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone

I'm confused by the question. Chrome is a browser from Google. It runs on
Windows, Linux, IOS, Android and probably more platforms. Safari is a
browser from Apple and it runs on Apple products and Windows. I'm sorry if I
didn't answer your question.


On 05/27/2014 07:31 AM, todd patkus wrote:
David,

Just to be sure, Chrome is more Windows-based for Google while Safari
is more Apple-based for Google?

Todd


- Original Message -
From: David Cleveland davidtclevel...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent:
Mon, 26 May 2014 13:49:43 -0500
Subject: Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone
I actually tried Chrome again and this time I was able to pull up

a website..  It loaded very fast.  I do think it is faster than Safari
is.  However I do find that some of the functions that are easy to
find and Safari are not easily found in Chrome.  There does not seem
to be a good menu structure in the program.  There are not a lot of
buttons to do things.


Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Christopher Hallsworth

christopher...@gmail..com wrote:


Hi all
I tried Safari with the marks and Spencers website and VoiceOver

kept jumping all over the place.  Would Chrome or another browser I
tried Instabrowser solve this problem? If so I'll go ahead and install
Instabrowser on my iPhone since I have Chrome already. I'll also
install Chrome and Instabrowser on my iPad.  Any comments greatly

appreciated.

Thanks!


Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind www.hadley.edu

On 26/05/2014 17:32, Christopher J Chaltain wrote:
If I'm going to launch a browser directly, I launch Google

Chrome.  I

find it a bit faster than Safari, and I like the fact that my

favorites

are synced with my other systems.  I know I could do this with

iCloud,

but I use Chrome and Firefox on my other systems instead of

Internet

Explorer and Safari.  I also had a problem in a previous version

of IOS

where double tapping on a link in Safari would double tap on

some other

text on the page.  This just got me into the habit of using

Google Chrome..


All that being said, since Safari is the default browser, and

this can't

be changed in IOS, if I double tap on a link in a message and

Safari

comes up then I'll just stay in Safari.

On 5/26/2014 11:19 AM, brian albriton wrote:
Hi Christopher.  What is your preference.  Google Chrome, or

Safari.


On May 26, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Christopher J Chaltain
chalt...@gmail.com wrote:
I use Google Chrome quite frequently on my iPhone.  I had not

noticed

that large parts of it were inaccessible.  If you have any

specifics,

I could check it out and let you know what I run into.

On 5/26/2014 9:39 AM, David Cleveland wrote:
Has anyone had luck with alternative browsers? I tried using

Google

Chrome but a lot of it seem to be in accessible with voiceover.

I

also had problems with the browser called Mercury which was very
highly rated in the App Store.  I could not even figure out how

to

get the address bar to show up on that browser.
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Re: NEW iPhone User Recommendations Suggestions

2014-05-28 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

It's also easier to push out the release of a product than it is to pull 
it in. As others have mentioned, Apple needs to get IOS 8 developd, 
tested and betad before a new Iphone shows up. There are also numerous 
contracts with parts suppliers, manufacturers and distributors. I can't 
say it can't be done, but I'd be surprised if Apple were to do this just 
because a rival with less than 4% of the market share puts out a new 
phone or OS. Apple didn't feel compelled to put out a new iPhone when 
Samsung released the latest Galaxy, and Samsung is much more of a threat 
to Apple than Microsoft is.


I'm not saying Apple shouldn't pay attention to Microsoft because 
complacent companies don't stay on top, but Apple has this momentum 
building up to a big announcement right before Black Friday and the 
holiday buying season down to a science. I doubt Microsoft will have 
people lining up outside of ATT stores to get the next Windows Phone.


I agree, only time will tell, but I don't think Apple is going to do 
much more than counter Microsoft's announcement with a marketing 
campaign. If they rush out a product release just to compete with 
Microsoft then I think they'd be playing into Microsoft's hands and 
sending the message that Microsoft is a player and a threat in the smart 
phone market, which just isn't the case yet.


On 5/28/2014 11:32 AM, Cristóbal wrote:

This is true, but Apple has now more or less locked themselves into a
September/October cycle for releasing new phone models. It only makes sense
as folks for a few releases now have fallen into the pattern of having their
two year commitments with their carriers come due around that time. Besides,
they haven't even previewed iOS 8 or even made it available to developers
for all the beta cycles. It makes absolutely no sense for them to unveil a
new phone without polishing up the new OS or a couple of months before
millions of people who would buy the phone are still locked into their
contracts.

So yeah, no new iPhone next week or next month or the month after that.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: NEW iPhone User  Recommendations  Suggestions

You may be CORRECT, but Apple previously used to RELEASE NEW Apple iPhones
IN either June OR July. Don't you RECALL June 2009 (i.e., Apple iPhone 3 
Apple iPhone 3GS) and June 2010 (i.e., Apple iPhone 4). Apple ONLY began
releasing NEW Apple iPhones in the FALL (i.e., September or October) IN
October 2011 (i.e., Apple iPhone 4S), September 2012 (i.e., apple iPhone 5),
and September 2013 (i.e., Apple iPhone 5C  Apple iPhone 5S).

As I indicated IN my initial EMAIL posting ONLY time will TELL.

Do you really THINK Apple will NOT release any Product and/or Service IN the
SUMMER of 2014, and let Microsoft dominate the Media with its rlease of its
very own Personal Assistant, Cortana? I don't THINK so.
Google won't allow it either, but it has various manufacturers releasing NEW
Android devices Year Round unlike Apple.

Sent From Berkeley,CA
At 07:16 AM 5/28/2014, you wrote:

No iPhone in June or July. Next weeks World Wide Developer's Conference
will be for announcing iOS 8 and typically there will be some news
about Mac computers and this time hopefully about a new Apple TV. In my
opinion there is 0% chance that Apple will announce a new iPhone which
will then be released later in June, this announcement will come in
early September for release in mid to late September just as it was
last year and the year before.
Having said this, I would still not buy a new iPhone now unless I
really needed a phone now, after all, if you have something that works
and you can wait 4 months then you might want to do so.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf Of Robin
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 5:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NEW iPhone User  Recommendations  Suggestions

I THINK you should delay your PURCHASE of a VZW Apple iPhone 5S. I have
reason to believe that Apple will be releasing a NEW Apple iPhone
sometime this SUMMER (i.e., June OR July).

I am under the impression that Apple will NOT sit by, and give
Microsoft the ability to dominate the Media with its own release of
Microsoft's WindowsPhone 8.1, which is rumored to include a Beta
Version of its very own Personal Assistant, Cortana along with Built IN

Text-To-Speech, TTS, (i.e.

ScreenReader...Narrator).

Besides if you DECIDE to go ahead and PURCHASE an Apple iPhone 5S, you
may RECEIVE it at a REDUCED Price if I am CORRECT.

I could be WRONG, but I don't THINK I am, and ONLY time will tell.

I was IN My Local VZW Store, and was informed that Apple IS rumored to
RELEASE something IN July 2014

Sent From Berkeley,CA
At 02:20 AM 5/28/2014, you wrote:

Hello,

I will be purchasing an IPhone 5S soon  I have a

Re: jail breaking a iphone

2014-05-28 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

I agree with Sieghard. I haven't seen anyone discourage the discussion 
of jail breaking on the list. I went looking for an old message from the 
owner or the moderator of the list on whether discussing jail breaking 
is permitted, and I couldn't find anything, but I'm pretty sure they've 
never tried to squash any discussion on jail breaking. The moderator 
also used to jail break his phone, but I'm not sure if he's still doing 
that or not.


I think it's perfectly OK to point to Google or podcasts when someone 
asks a question. I've seen people point to Google, AppleVis or podcasts 
on numerous subjects, such as using a bluetooth keyboard, different 
navigation apps and so on. If I see a question go unanswered, and I 
think I can help by pointing to a podcast or a web page on a topic I'm 
not personally well versed with then I'll do that, and I don't think 
there's a problem with that.


I think it's more likely that there just aren't a lot of people on the 
list who jail break anymore. I jail broke my phone when I was running 
IOS 5, but I haven't jail broken it since then. I didn't want to wait to 
move up to newer versions of IOS, and one of my most important apps 
wouldn't run on a jail broken iPhone.


On 5/28/2014 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

Hi Pablo,

I don't think people avoid the topic of jailbreaking, but for most people on
this list it is of little interest since they don't want to jailbreak. I,
for example, may give a bit of general information about jailbreaking and
point to a Podcast which goes into more detail because I know basically what
Jailbreaking is and how it works, but I don't jailbreak. At the same time,
if I see posts about Games on the list I delete them because I own 3 games
and hardly ever play them. I think there is nothing wrong at all with
providing information or links to Podcasts or articles where a person can
get the information they need.
In any case, if you are running iOS 7.1.1 you cannot jailbreak and there is
a chance that you may never be able to jailbreak 7.1.1. The people who do
the jailbreaks may very well focus on iOS 8 to which they will have access
to as a Beta version after Apple's WWDC next Monday.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 1:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: jail breaking a iphone

Yes, it is that I have been saying. Why off list?
It is a topic that should not be tried in the list?
Why every time when somebody ask about this topic,  the people ask to do it
off list.
And please, don't respond me that are podcast where they talk about it,
because are podcast for the rest of topics that we try here every day, but I
don't see that kind of responses. Normally when somebody comes with a
question, many people respond the question, no matter is the respond is
available on google. The people always, respond. But for the jailbreaking,
always the people walk around avoiding the topic.
-Original Message- the topic.
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Broxi72
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 4:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: jail breaking a iphone

Dennis, why off list, I'm sure others would be Interested as well, Billy
- Original Message -
From: Dennis Long dennisl1...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2014 3:31 AM
Subject: jail breaking a iphone


could someone contact me off list about jail breaking a iphone?
dennisl1...@gmail.com



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Re: Editing part of my message

2014-05-28 Thread Christopher J Chaltain

Alex has a great post below. The only thing I would add, that might 
help, is that the cursor on the iPhone and the Mac is a vertical line 
that is placed between two characters. VO announces the character that 
the cursor jumps over. New characters are inserted where the cursor is 
located between the two characters. The delete key is a backspace key, 
so it deletes the cursor to the left of the vertical line representing 
the cursor, which is the character you just heard spoken when moving 
right to left.


In Windows, the cursor is a line that appears under a character. Your 
Windows screen reader reads the character above the line. If you hit the 
delete key, it'll delete that character and if you backspace, you're 
deleting the character to the left of that character. When you insert 
text, you're inserting it to the left of the character the cursor is under.


I'm not sure it'll help, but when I realized this is what was going on, 
it all made a lot more sense to me. I'd also suggest bringing up a note 
in the Notes app, and just practicing until you get the hang of it.


On 5/28/2014 8:28 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
Here's the thing: VoiceOver speaks the character you pass, whereas 
Windows screen readers always speak the character to the left of the 
cursor, I believe. Let's trace an example to make this clearer:


Say we have the word iPhone and, for whatever reason, we want to 
erase the i at the beginning of it. Change your rotor to characters, 
and flick up; you will be moved backward, character by character: i, 
n, o, h, capital p, i. VO tells you the character it passes, and 
because you are moving backward, it is being placed on the left of the 
characters is speaks. That is, if you hit delete once you reach the i, 
you will delete the space before the word; VO told you i as it 
passed the i, moving left, so the cursor is now between the space and 
the i. To erase that i, you'd either stop at the p, so the cursor is 
between it and the i, or you'd move right one character. In the latter 
case, VO will say i again as it once more passes the i, this time 
moving right. Since it spoke the i as it moved forward, you can be 
confident that deleting will take out the i; again, the cursor is now 
between the i and the p.


It is very hard to get used to this system if you use Windows screen 
readers, but the Mac is set up the same way. Honestly, I now find it 
much more sensible to do things this way, and Windows gets me all 
confused. Apple reports the true position of the cursor (which 
characters it is between) rather than always the character to one 
side. This is closer to the way the cursor looks visually, and it is a 
much easier way to track where you are. It takes getting used to, but 
you will eventually have an 'ah ha moment and come to love this 
method. At least I did. :)
On May 28, 2014, at 8:20 AM, isaac isaac.heb...@gmail.com 
mailto:isaac.heb...@gmail.com wrote:


Yes I am noticing that too. I don't think you can delete a space when 
using the rotor you have to delete the previous character before you 
can delete the space.

isaac
isaac.heb...@gmail.com mailto:isaac.heb...@gmail.com
Skype gold_wildcat

On May 26, 2014, at 10:12 PM, bhavesh dhanak 
bhavesh.dha...@gmail.com wrote:



hi frnds, i m facing difficulty in edditing:
sometimes it deletes the character which voice over speaks, sometimes
the previous 1.
Example:
i phone
now if i wonna remove space after i, and i go to p, then it deletes p,
sometimes space.
Pls guide me, and explain me how d edditing works...
Thx chears!

On 5/26/14, Penny Reeder penny.ree...@gmail.com wrote:

Set your roter to characters (or words if it's a really long message)
and swipe through the message until you get to the part you want to
edit. Then, if you set the roter to words, change it to characters,
and continue swiping through the part you want to edit. Use the delete
key to delete what you don't want, or just insert the new text where
you want it by typing it in. Editing can take a long time! But, it's
possible.
Penny

On 5/26/14, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

The rotor is the key here, if you don't have a braille or bluetooth
keyboard. Rotate two fingers on the screen until you get to the 
increment
you want (lines, words, or characters) and then flick up to move 
back by
that increment, down to move forward. Probably the best way is to 
move by
line to the area, then by word or character to get exactly where 
you want

to
edit. Once done, double tap once or twice until VoiceOver says 
insertion

point at end and you're at the bottom, ready to type some more.
On May 25, 2014, at 11:43 PM, Cornelius appalgr...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi all, I am typing quite a long message on my phone, and I need 
to go

to
a certain part to edit back what i've type.
How do I do that?

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Re: more iphone questions

Apple doesn't force you to update IOS, but new versions will be 
downloaded for you and stored on your phone until you are ready to 
update. Apple also drops support for older versions of IOS fairly 
quickly after a new version is released, and app developers may not 
choose to continue to support old versions of IOS. You also cannot 
downgrade to an older version of IOS once you've installed a newer version.



On 5/26/2014 10:29 AM, Richard Turner wrote:

If you are talking about app updates, you can turn off automatic updating in
settings.
I am not sure if Apple is still letting you ignore iOS updates, but I think
you can choose not to update the iOS.

I'll let someone who jailbreaks their phone answer the other part of your
question.

Richard

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Of Dennis Long
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 10:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: more iphone questions

hi, are you forced to automatically update?  what are the advantages of jail

breaking yor phone?



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Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone

I use Google Chrome quite frequently on my iPhone. I had not noticed 
that large parts of it were inaccessible. If you have any specifics, I 
could check it out and let you know what I run into.


On 5/26/2014 9:39 AM, David Cleveland wrote:

Has anyone had luck with alternative browsers? I tried using Google Chrome but 
a lot of it seem to be in accessible with voiceover. I also had problems with 
the browser called Mercury which was very highly rated in the App Store. I 
could not even figure out how to get the address bar to show up on that browser.

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Re: Weather Channel App


Multiple US laws related to accessibility are being discussed here.

The American's with Disability Act is meant to prevent discrimination 
against the disabled with respect to employment. Employers are required 
to provide reasonable accommodations for their employees. Unless your 
company requires you to use this allergy app, it would not be covered 
under the ADA. If your company did require you to use an allergy app, 
the pressure would be more on the company to find an accessible 
alternative rather than force the developer of this particular app to 
make it accessible.


The Telecommunications Act says that telecommunications devices need to 
be accessible. Note that just because a device isn't accessible doesn't 
mean there isn't a law that's being violated. It may take someone taking 
Microsoft to court over their inaccessible cell phones before the law is 
enforced and Microsoft is forced to make their product accessible.


The Rehabilitation Act requires that any products purchased by the 
federal government or with federal dollars need to be accessible.


Note that there's a lot of overlap here. For example, if your company 
requires you to carry a cell phone than it needs to be accessible. If 
you work for a company or an agency that gets federal dollars than 
anything it purchases, such as a cell phone, needs to be accessible.


It isn't the case that only apps and devices being marketed to the 
federal government need to be accessible. Reasonable accommodations in 
the ADA, the Telecommunications Act and even the Rehabilitation Act 
extend beyond federal government agencies.


I'm not sure how many smart phones there are now running something other 
than Android or IOS or Windows Phone, but there have been and may still 
be some feature phones from LG, Samsung and Motorola which are accessible.


On 5/26/2014 6:12 AM, David Chittenden wrote:

No, companies are not required to make all apps and / or products blind, or 
deaf blind accessible. Some companies are required to make certain apps or 
products accessible.

Don't believe me? Go purchase any new Nokia Phone running Windows Phone Seven 
or Eight and try to use it. Microsoft's most up-to-date phone software is not 
accessible. Purchase any Sony, Panasonic, or any other smart phone that is not 
Android and try using it. Absolutely zero of these phones are blind accessible.

Unless the Allergy app is being marketed to the federal government, it does not 
need to be blind or deaf blind accessible.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 May 2014, at 20:05, todd patkus tpat...@shellworld.net wrote:

All:

This disappoints me a little.  Under ADA regulations, companies are legally 
required to make their products, including apps ACCESSIBLE, not only for 
hearing-blind, but also for DEAFBLIND!

If I were whoever the person having this issue, I would have shown the fat 
heavy book under my right arm, pointing these folks the proof what ADA says!

You see I asked Brian if the allergy alert app was accessible for Braille, and 
he said he did not know!  That is the point here.  That is it.

Thank you.

Todd


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From: Vicki Howell vicki1...@comcast.net
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Thu, 15 May 2014 13:32:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Weather Channel App
No, Scott, you didn't do anything wrong.  The Weather channel app

is no

longer accessible for the blind, but there is an app called

Degrees.  I

think that it may cost $.99, but I think that it is very good.  I

am trying

to remember if it is $99, or $1.99.  I got this app last week.

My husband

found it and told me how good it was.  So, that may be an option

for you and

others looking for a Weather App.
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]

On Behalf

Of Mike Arrigo
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2014 1:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Weather Channel App
Yes, it's no longer accessible, currently the only work around is

to use a

different app.
Original message:

Hi,
Sense the update to the Weather Channel app, two or three weeks

ago, I

have found it to be inaccessible with VO.  Have others noticed

this or

did something go wrong with my update? Does anyone know of any

work

around?

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Re: Alternative browsers on iPhone

If I'm going to launch a browser directly, I launch Google Chrome. I 
find it a bit faster than Safari, and I like the fact that my favorites 
are synced with my other systems. I know I could do this with iCloud, 
but I use Chrome and Firefox on my other systems instead of Internet 
Explorer and Safari. I also had a problem in a previous version of IOS 
where double tapping on a link in Safari would double tap on some other 
text on the page. This just got me into the habit of using Google Chrome.


All that being said, since Safari is the default browser, and this can't 
be changed in IOS, if I double tap on a link in a message and Safari 
comes up then I'll just stay in Safari.


On 5/26/2014 11:19 AM, brian albriton wrote:

Hi Christopher. What is your preference. Google Chrome, or Safari.


On May 26, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

I use Google Chrome quite frequently on my iPhone. I had not noticed that large 
parts of it were inaccessible. If you have any specifics, I could check it out 
and let you know what I run into.


On 5/26/2014 9:39 AM, David Cleveland wrote:
Has anyone had luck with alternative browsers? I tried using Google Chrome but 
a lot of it seem to be in accessible with voiceover. I also had problems with 
the browser called Mercury which was very highly rated in the App Store. I 
could not even figure out how to get the address bar to show up on that browser.

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Re: List of Bluetooth keyboard commands for iOS

The VO key is a short hand way of saying hold down the control and 
option keys at the same time. This would be control and alt on a Windows 
keyboard.


On 5/22/2014 9:22 PM, Johnna Simmons wrote:

What are the keys to activitate the vo

Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2014, at 6:01 PM, Robert Doc Wright yeshua.talmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Other commands to append to the list given.

to move to the top or bottom of the page control+up or down arrow
to change pages option right or left arrow
status bar vo+m


If we can't look at ourselves, and ask, why?  then where does the learning
start?

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: List of Bluetooth keyboard commands for iOS


Here some keyboard commands.
First to navigate to the next item on the home screen use vo right arrow.
To navigate to the previous item use vo left arrow.
To open a item use vo space bar.
To turn on and off quick nav use left and right arrow with out the vo keys
together.
To open a item such as a app with quick nav on use the up and down arrow
keys together.

Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2014, at 10:57 AM, Joseph FreeTech joseph.freet...@gmail.com
wrote:

Yes, I did find that on the appleVis site. Thank you for the information.
:). I was hoping for a text file or webpage with the list for quick
reference, so if you have any leads I would really appreciate the
information.

Joseph

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Cc: Isaac Hebert isaac.heb...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: List of Bluetooth keyboard commands for iOS


If you want a list of bluetooth keyboard commands david wood bridge has a
podcast about commands for the bluetooth keyboard  here is the link
http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/demonstration-bluetooth-keyboard-commands-available-ios-voiceover-users
isaac
isaac.heb...@gmail.com
Skype gold_wildcat

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Hi all,

I just finished going over about 14 pages of the AppleVis podcast and
forum
entries regarding Bluetooth keyboards. Though I found some good leads, it
appears lots of the information goes back quite a bit in time. I'm hoping
someone might convey a recent list of commands for external Bluetooth
keyboards on iOS 7. Does such a list of commands exist?

I also just received the Amazon Basics keyboard so many on this list are
using, and I really do like it. Smile. I do have a problem with it in
that
it takes about 25 seconds for my iPod to pickup the Bluetooth signal if I
turn off the keyboard then turn it back on. I listened to Raul's demo,
and
his keyboard turned on within 5 seconds or less. Is there a way to
increase
the Bluetooth connection time?

I had an interesting shopping experience at Amazon.com. I purchased the
keyboard, and they delivered it the very same day--that's some great
service. I thought it would cost me an arm and a leg, but normal UPS
ground
delivery was only $1.50 less and would take 3 or 5 days. For same day
delivery, $1.50 more was definitely worth it. I don't know how Amazon.com
could pull this off so quickly, but they did. Must have been one of their
new octo-copters which flew over my house and dropped the thing off.
Smile.

Again, any help with a list of Bluetooth keyboard commands will be
greatly
appreciated!

Joseph


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Re: What To Do If You Are Recieving Unwanted iMessages

IMHO, this issue is a bit more complicated than just legislatures being 
to lazy to act. How much control of our internet and our text messaging 
to we want to give to our government? Freedom and lack of legislation is 
what has made the internet and the world wide web what is it today.


On 5/25/2014 2:38 AM, todd patkus wrote:

Mark,

I well understand what you are talking about.

First of all, this is NOT new.  Issues like this still exist;  not all 
have been resolved.  There will always be loopholes!  Look at junk 
emails/spams that pop up onPCs!  Therefore, iMessages are not alone.


Part of this problem is due to lack of legislators not acting up. 
Congress is too lazy to act up;  they just blabber, blabber;  like to 
babble but no action.


If I were you, I simply kill them.  Same with junk emails, I simply 
hit the magic button.  That is it.


Mark, if you still feel strong this should be done, tell FCC, FTC, 
your state representative or whoever you wish.


Meantime, this may not solve the problems completely.

Todd


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Date sent: Sun, 25 May 2014 00:51:33 -0700
Subject: What To Do If You Are Recieving Unwanted iMessages



Hello All,



This is for all iOS iMessage users.


Yesterday, I posted about what to do if you are an A T  T 

customer and you

receive unwanted SMS SPAM.


Now of course, in iOS 7.x, you can block the offending sender of 

incoming
SMS messages be they standard text messages or iMessages directly 

from your

iOS device.  If that works for you, great.


As for me, however, merely blocking something locally on my 

device does not
seem to make me feel better.  That is why I did some research and 

discovered
the short code to which A T  T customers are supposed to forward 

their
unwanted SPAM in order to give A T  T a heads-up on who is 

gaming its

network.


What I did not mention in my previous post on this, is that, 

apparently,
none of the US wireless providers have any control over what is 

sent via
iMessage.  Consequently, if you forward an iMessage to the A T  

T SPAM
alert short code number (and I assume this is true for Verizon 

Wireless as
well) you will receive a thank you message requesting that you 

reply with
either the telephone or short code number of the offending 

spammer.


What?


Many iMessages don't display a phone number; in fact, they most 

often

display an email address.


Consequently, if you are receiving unwanted iMessage SPAM, and 

you want to
report it to Apple in addition to blocking is locally on your 

device, you

must do the following in accordance with Apple's instructions.


Interestingly, I checked with approximately 20 or so people, 

today, all of
whom use iMessage on three of the US's four major wireless 

carriers
including A T  T Wireless, Verizon Wireless, and Sprint.  All of 

the

T-Mobile customers I know are Android users.  Hmm.


Anyway, many of those with whom I contacted reported either 

having received
their first iMessage SPAM or an increase in the number of 

iMessages

received, this week.


But I digress.  Getting back on point, I followed the 

instructions below in
order to report my iMessage SPAM and now I feel much better.  I 

hope that
after reading the following instructions, you will feel better as 

well.


Mark



From Apple:
Reporting unwanted messages sent from iMessage


If you're seeing unwanted iMessages (spam) in Messages app, you 

can report

those to Apple.


To report unwanted iMessage messages to Apple, please send an 

email with the

following details to: imessage.s...@icloud.com



1.
Include a screenshot of the message you have received.



2.
Include the full email address or phone number you received the 

unwanted

message from.



3.
Include the date and time that you received the message.



To take a screenshot:


To take a screenshot on your iOS device, press and release the 

Sleep/Wake
button and the Home button at the same time.  The screenshot is 

added to your

Camera Roll album.


To take a screenshot in OS X, simultaneously press the Command + 

Shift and
the number 3 key on your keyboard.  The screenshot is saved to 

your Desktop

folder.


Additional InformationNote: Report unwanted (spam) SMS and MMS 

type
messages to your cellular provider. Contact your carrier for 

additional

details.


Look in the Messages conversation thread to determine if a 

message was sent
via iMessage.  Messages sent via iMessage are labeled as 

iMessage above the
message in the text field.  SMS and MMS type messages read Text 

Message

instead.




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Re: changing email addresses for the list

Sorry if this has already been answered, but I just saw it in my junk 
folder.


You could go to Google Groups, but to be honest, I've always just 
subscribed with my new email address, and then once that's working, I've 
unsubscribed with my old email address.


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All, do I have to go to my google profile and change my address in it 
to change email addresses for this list; I need to change it soon as 
this email is soon going to be retired.

Thanks.
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Re: Weather Channel App

That's not the way I read the Telecommunications Act myself, but I know 
that's how it's been interpreted in at least one case when applied to 
cell phone providers, like Verizon. To my knowledge, a cell phone 
manufacturer, such as Nokia, has not been challenged under the 
Telecommunications Act regarding the lack of accessibility of the phones 
it manufactures.


The Telecommunications Act does only apply to the telecommunications 
portion of a device, so Code Factory's product may satisfy the 
Telecommunications Act, but 3rd party add-ons are allowable if making 
the device itself accessible is not readily achievable. Since 
Microsoft's other products are accessible, and both Google and Apple 
produce accessible cell phones, I doubt Microsoft could claim that 
making their Windows Phones accessible is not readily achievable.


Of course, if companies provide cell phones to their employees and 
expect them to use any features outside of the features provided by Code 
Factory's product then this would be in violation of the ADA. Also, if 
any US federal dollars are used to purchase a Windows Phone, I think the 
Rehabilitation Act is being violated, since there are options, such as 
the iPhone and Android phones, which are much more accessible and don't 
require a 3rd party application.


It isn't clear to me at all that Microsoft or Nokia are following the 
law, even if you just look at the Telecommunications Act. I'm not a 
federal judge though, so I think this still needs to be settled in the 
US courts before we'll know for sure.


On 5/26/2014 5:30 PM, David Chittenden wrote:

Actually, the telecommunications act states one model in a company's phone line 
needs to be accessible, when it is not an undo burden on the company to do so. 
As for Microsoft, Code Factory has developed an app for Windows Phone which 
performs all the basic functions within the phone. It cannot access any other 
app, but Microsoft is now within legal bounds.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 27 May 2014, at 4:25, Christopher J Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com wrote:

Multiple US laws related to accessibility are being discussed here.

The American's with Disability Act is meant to prevent discrimination against 
the disabled with respect to employment. Employers are required to provide 
reasonable accommodations for their employees. Unless your company requires you 
to use this allergy app, it would not be covered under the ADA. If your company 
did require you to use an allergy app, the pressure would be more on the 
company to find an accessible alternative rather than force the developer of 
this particular app to make it accessible.

The Telecommunications Act says that telecommunications devices need to be 
accessible. Note that just because a device isn't accessible doesn't mean there 
isn't a law that's being violated. It may take someone taking Microsoft to 
court over their inaccessible cell phones before the law is enforced and 
Microsoft is forced to make their product accessible.

The Rehabilitation Act requires that any products purchased by the federal 
government or with federal dollars need to be accessible.

Note that there's a lot of overlap here. For example, if your company requires 
you to carry a cell phone than it needs to be accessible. If you work for a 
company or an agency that gets federal dollars than anything it purchases, such 
as a cell phone, needs to be accessible.

It isn't the case that only apps and devices being marketed to the federal 
government need to be accessible. Reasonable accommodations in the ADA, the 
Telecommunications Act and even the Rehabilitation Act extend beyond federal 
government agencies.

I'm not sure how many smart phones there are now running something other than 
Android or IOS or Windows Phone, but there have been and may still be some 
feature phones from LG, Samsung and Motorola which are accessible.


On 5/26/2014 6:12 AM, David Chittenden wrote:
No, companies are not required to make all apps and / or products blind, or 
deaf blind accessible. Some companies are required to make certain apps or 
products accessible.

Don't believe me? Go purchase any new Nokia Phone running Windows Phone Seven 
or Eight and try to use it. Microsoft's most up-to-date phone software is not 
accessible. Purchase any Sony, Panasonic, or any other smart phone that is not 
Android and try using it. Absolutely zero of these phones are blind accessible.

Unless the Allergy app is being marketed to the federal government, it does not 
need to be blind or deaf blind accessible.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 24 May 2014, at 20:05, todd patkus tpat...@shellworld.net wrote:

All:

This disappoints me a little.  Under ADA regulations, companies are legally 
required to make their products, including apps ACCESSIBLE, not only for 
hearing-blind

Re: Putting my book marks on my iPad mini

I don't do this myself, but you would use iCloud. Here's an article that 
talks about how to do it http://www.ianswerguy.com/sync-safari-tabs/


On 5/25/2014 1:47 PM, Jen Colley wrote:

Hi,
I have several book marks in saffari on my iPhone but want to put the 
same book marks on my iPad.  How is this done?

Jen
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Re: Rotor command on the QWERTY keyboard

Sieghard is correct. The only tiny thing I'd add is that the virtual 
keyboard on the iDevices can also be referred to as a querty keyboard 
since it's keys are laid out just as if you were using a standard querty 
typewriter or keyboard.


On 5/25/2014 2:59 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:

This discussion is about using a regular external Bluetooth keyboard. The
term Qwerty keyboard refers to the standard US keyboard which has the
letters QWERTY as the first 6 letters in the top row of the keyboard.

2 of the best keyboards in my opinion are the Logitech K811 and the Apple
Wireless keyboard. I owned an Apple Wireless keyboard first, but bought a
Logitech K811 recently and prefer it because it has a slider switch to turn
the keyboard on and off whereas the Apple Wireless keyboard has a button on
one end which gets easily pushed if you carry the keyboard in a bag or
backpack.
Since I also have an Apple TV I like the fact that I can pair my Logitech
K811 with up to 3 devices and simply press F1, F2 and F3 to select which
device I want to use it with. Since you have an iPhone and an iPod Touch,
you could pair both and whichever device you apir first is available with
F1, the second device you pair would be on F2.
The Logitech K811 is, however, ?$70 (on Amazon, it can be more in stores)
and some people on the list also quite like the Amazon Basics Bluetooth
keyboard which you can buy on Amazon for I think around $25.


Regards,
Sieghard


Regards,
Sieghard

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Of Connie Mohney
Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2014 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Rotor command on the QWERTY keyboard

Hello All,
I've been following this thread with interest as I'm a new iPod and iPhone
user.  Is the keyboard you are referring to the keyboard on iDevices or is
it a specific keyboard? Thank you.
Connie

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Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, May 23, 2014 12:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Rotor command on the QWERTY keyboard

That's correct but my QWERTY keyboard doesn't announce the key strokes with
out it being on.

Alan

Sent from my iPad Air


On May 22, 2014, at 4:39 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:

I think that the rotor can only be changed with quicknav on. No other

alternative that I know of.

Best,

Ioana



Sent from my iPhone


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wrote:

I do not use a QWERTY keyboard with my iPhone, so I do not know the

answer.

When QuickNav is not active, what is the command to turn the rotor using

a QWERTY keyboard. My friend tried control+option+up-arrow+left-arrow, and
control+option+up-arrow+right-arrow, and reported these combinations do not
work.

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Re: Putting my book marks on my iPad mini

If you sync both your iPhone and your iPad with your PC or Mac then I 
would think you could do this through iTunes. Last I knew, Safari wasn't 
accessible on Windows, so if you have a PC and not a Mac, then I'm not 
sure how well this would work. Here's an article on how to do this with 
a Mac http://www.maciverse.com/sync-safari-bookmarks-to-your-ipad.html


I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iCloud, I don't use it myself, 
but this is exactly why such cloud services exist, namely to have 
content consistent between separate devices. You can configure iCloud, 
so if you don't want to use it for anything else, you could still use it 
to sync your Safari data.


On 5/25/2014 2:18 PM, Jen Colley wrote:

I don’t use icloud though.
Can you not backup that stuff through itunes.
Jen
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I don't do this myself, but you would use iCloud. Here's an article 
that talks about how to do it http://www.ianswerguy.com/sync-safari-tabs/


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Hi,
I have several book marks in saffari on my iPhone but want to put the 
same book marks on my iPad.  How is this done?

Jen
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Re: Getting rid of United States calindar

Hmm, I just looked into this, and here's what I found. I'm still 
investigating, so this may be a bit rambling.


When I double tap on the Calendars button at the bottom of the calendar 
app, I see US Holidays listed twice. The first time is next to my Google 
calendar and it's under the heading I labelled Google. I suspect this is 
what you're seeing, and I assume this was added by Apple with a recent 
update. I don't see how to delete it, but you can unselect it by double 
tapping it. This will keep those holidays from showing up on your 
calendar view.


I also have US Holidays listed in my other section. I'm sure this is the 
holiday calendar I subscribed to manually. The weird thing is that I 
don't see it now when I go into Settings - Mail, Contacts, Calendars 
and click on my subscribed calendars button. I do see US Holidays listed 
twice in my calendar view though, for example, I see Memorial Day listed 
twice for tomorrow. I obviously don't need this calendar any more, and I 
can unselect it, but I don't see how to delete it. Obviously, more 
investigation is required.


On 5/25/2014 4:33 AM, Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy wrote:

Hi Everyone,
I was checking through my calendars and noticed that even though I have my regional 
holidays calendar, I'm also somehow subscribed to the United States calendar. I don't 
live in the States so the American holidays aren't part of my life, but I can't figure 
out how to get rid of them. In case this helps, the calendar is listed next to my Gmail 
calendar and it says Shared by United States holidays. How do I change this? 
Is this true with everyone?

Thanks in advance,

Haya Simkin  guide dog Pammy
Sent from my iPhone



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Re: Putting my book marks on my iPad mini

Did you follow the link I sent and make sure iTunes was configured to
sync your Safari bookmarks? Here's another link which includes
instructions for a PC as well as for a Mac, although in this case, they
seem to be the same:
http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/synchronize-safari-bookmarks-notes-and-ipad-advanc.html

Here's the pertinent paragraph:

If you choose to set up your iPad data synchronization manually, you can
synchronize Safari bookmarks and notes on your iPad with your Mac or PC.
Select your iPad in the sidebar on the left side of the iTunes screen.
Then click the Info button, which is to the right of the Summary button.
The Info pane has five sections: Contacts, Calendars, Mail Accounts,
Other, and Advanced.

Sync Safari bookmarks and notes on iPad
The Other section has a mere two items: Sync Safari Bookmarks and Sync
Notes.
Select the check box for Sync Safari Bookmarks if you want to sync your
Safari bookmarks; don’t select it if you don’t.

Just so you know, the iPad syncs bookmarks with the following web browsers:
•
Mac: Safari
•
PC: Microsoft Internet Explorer and Safari

Note that this will work with IE on your PC, so you don't need to worry
about installing and using Safari just to sync your bookmarks. I assume
this will also bring in and merge any bookmarks you have in Internet
Explorer.

On 5/25/2014 5:50 PM, Jen Colley wrote:
I have a windows pc but sync my iPhone and iPad through itunes but on
my iPad in saffari none of the book marks that are on my phone are there.

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If you sync both your iPhone and your iPad with your PC or Mac then I
would think you could do this through iTunes. Last I knew, Safari
wasn't accessible on Windows, so if you have a PC and not a Mac, then
I'm not sure how well this would work. Here's an article on how to do
this with a Mac
http://www.maciverse.com/sync-safari-bookmarks-to-your-ipad.html

I'm not trying to talk anyone into using iCloud, I don't use it
myself, but this is exactly why such cloud services exist, namely to
have content consistent between separate devices. You can configure
iCloud, so if you don't want to use it for anything else, you could
still use it to sync your Safari data.

On 5/25/2014 2:18 PM, Jen Colley wrote:

I don’t use icloud though.
Can you not backup that stuff through itunes.
Jen
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I don't do this myself, but you would use iCloud. Here's an article
that talks about how to do it http://www.ianswerguy.com/sync-safari-tabs/

On 5/25/2014 1:47 PM, Jen Colley wrote:

Hi,
I have several book marks in saffari on my iPhone but want to put
the same book marks on my iPad. How is this done?

Jen
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Re: Missing emails from exchange account

If you're trying to connect to an Exchange server then you wouldn't use 
either POP3 or IMAP. Exchange doesn't use either of these protocols; it 
has it's own protocol. I don't use Exchange, except at the office where 
everything is set up for me, but I'd think you'd go into Outlook and 
create a new account to point to your Exchange server. There are others 
on list who use Exchange, so maybe they can help.


I'm not sure how it works with Exchange, but in IMAP, you can copy 
messages into a folder on your PC, and if it's an IMAP folder, then it 
will be synced with the server. It won't happen automatically since 
you'll have to copy the message from your POP3 account over to a folder 
in your IMAP account.


On 5/25/2014 5:08 PM, Tarapprakash wrote:

thanks jeff. that's what I had suspected and as I said in  my original mail, I 
did change email syncing to a week.
Looks like I have figured out the problem. My new computer downloaded those 
eamils under pop3 settings. After the emails got downloaded with pop3 setings, 
they are no more on the server. Obviously my iphone can't see them. I will have 
to find a way to change settings oon that computer to imap for future. May be 
my emails will be restored to server from my laptop. Till now I haven't been 
able to figure out the imap settings on that computer, windows 7 outlook 2007 
microsoft exchange account. If and when I am able to change to imap hopefully 
the messages will be back to server and I will be able to see them using my 
iPhonee.
If anybody knows how to change to imap settings from pop3 in outlook 2007 I 
will appreciate some sugestions off line.
It would be easier with google but I am struggling with an exchange account.
pooh



Sent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote:


Yes, go into the Settings app and into Mail settings. In there there are 
settings on how many days or weeks mail is shown for each account. You probably 
are only seeing 3 days of mail. Give that a try and let me know if that 
resolves your issue.

The reason this is there is to limit your data usage while mobile.


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Subject: Missing emails from exchange account

Dear all. My iphone announces that I have 6 unread emails in my inbox but I can 
find only two in all. Has anyone else experienced it? This started happening to 
me after I set up my microsoft exchange account with outlook on a new laptop. I 
lost all my old messages from iphone. I have set up my phone to sync messages 
for a week but I am not able to find any message except for newly arrived ones.
I know that the messages are still on the server and have not been deleted. I 
can't think any reason for my phone not being able to download them.
Any thoughts?

Rhanks for your suggestions.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Typing On The iPhone's OnScreen Keyboard

If I'm typing, I'll double tap and split tap with my thumbs. If I'm 
mostly just navigating, such as when I'm pulling up an app or changing 
some settings, then I'll typically hold my iPhone in my left hand and 
flick, swipe and double tap with my right pointer finger. When I start 
typing though, I switch to using my thumbs.



On 5/25/2014 7:10 PM, Paul and Paula Jordan wrote:

Fascinating.  I type using only my right index finger, holding the phone in
my left hand.  I have speed dots on my phone and it's easier to feel them
with the index finger. I tried using my thumbs and boy, did that feel
awkward.  For those who use their thumbs, do you use them to double tap also
or do you use your index fingers? Just curious.
  If I'm typing a long text, I use MBraille, but for shorter, maybe one
sentence things I often use the on-screen keyboard.  I'm going to play
around with other methods of entering text just for fun.
God bless!
Paula and Babe

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I generally use the on screen keyboard, but that's just because I forced
myself to use it when I got my iPhone. I wanted to become proficient with it
before I started experimenting with other apps and input methods. Similarly,
I wanted to check out the Notes, Calendar and other built in apps before
comparing them to apps I could get from the App Store. I'm not opposed to
grabbing any apps from the App Store though.
There's a reason why there are like a million apps in the App Store and it's
all about finding the ones that you prefer and make using your phone easier.
I still use some built in apps, but I've also replaced a few with App Store
apps that have features you don't get in the built in apps or I just prefer
using a bit. I haven't gotten around to checking out the different
alternative keyboards.

As far as typing, I put my two hands together palms up with the fingers from
my right hand over the fingers from my left hand. I rest the iPhone in my
palms and type with my thumbs. I use the touch typing method. With practice,
I'm pretty good at just landing on the character I want to type. I don't do
as much hunting and pecking as I did when I just used my pointer finger.
When using my pointer finger, I preferred the split typing method since I
would tend to slide my finger from character to character, and I didn't want
to lift it from the screen. I think with two thumbs, the bottom corners and
edges of the iPhone in your palm, you have more physical spacial references
making it easier for your thumbs to just know where to land to find the
character you want. When using my pointer finger, I don't think I ad as many
physical points of reference, so I didn't want to lose my place by lifting
it from the screen.

On 5/25/2014 2:06 PM, Desi Noller wrote:

Hi Everyone,

I was recently having a discussion with a friend about how to type on the

on-screen keyboard of the iPhone.  Personally, I don't particularly like to
use a special program for this like, for instance, mBraill or Fleksy.  I
just want to use the regular keyboard.  Dictation can be useful, but of
course, sometimes, it's just nice to be able to type something relatively
privately.  I have built up some speed over the past 3 years, but I would
like to get faster.  I generally hold my phone in my left hand, and use my
right index finger to type, anchoring my thumb down where the connector is
at the bottom of the phone.  I'm interested to know how others who type
using the regular on-screen keyboard, enter your text.  I do happen to use
Touch Typing mode, but I would also be interested in what typing mode you
use.  And, does anyone else besides me just use the regular on-screen
keyboard for their typing needs?

Thanks!

Desi


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Re: Typing On The iPhone's OnScreen Keyboard

In touch typing, when you place your finger on the character you want to 
enter, you just need to lift your finger to enter that character. This 
is quicker and less effort than double tapping the character you want to 
enter after you land on it. I also find split tapping to be pretty 
efficient, but I prefer touch typing when using my thumbs and split 
tapping when using one pointer finger, although I don't often switch to 
split typing when I use one pointer finger to type since I do it so 
seldomly.


Ultimately the only benefit to touch typing is if you prefer it over the 
other methods. Give it a try and see if you like it or not. There's no 
right answers, just different options and the ability to use whatever 
you prefer.


On 5/25/2014 7:40 PM, Dave Mitchel wrote:

what is the benefit of enabling touch typing?
*From:* Matthew Dyer mailto:ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com
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Hi,

I myself just use the on scream key Bord with touch typing inabled. I 
hold my phone in my right hand and use my left index finger and it 
works well for me.


Hth

Matthew


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wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I was recently having a discussion with a friend about how to type on the 
on-screen keyboard of the iPhone.  Personally, I don't particularly like to use 
a special program for this like, for instance, mBraill or Fleksy.  I just want 
to use the regular keyboard.  Dictation can be useful, but of course, 
sometimes, it's just nice to be able to type something relatively privately.  I 
have built up some speed over the past 3 years, but I would like to get faster. 
 I generally hold my phone in my left hand, and use my right index finger to 
type, anchoring my thumb down where the connector is at the bottom of the 
phone.  I'm interested to know how others who type using the regular on-screen 
keyboard, enter your text.  I do happen to use Touch Typing mode, but I would 
also be interested in what typing mode you use.  And, does anyone else besides 
me just use the regular on-screen keyboard for their typing needs?

Thanks!

Desi


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Re: Typing On The iPhone's OnScreen Keyboard