[ZION] Wallpaper
John, You mentioned wallpaper at your zionsbest.com site in the pub directory. (rockwell_lighthouse.jpg) My computer said the directory is empty. Is it still there, or am I too late? Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] New national parks
You'd be surprised. There's a national park called Auyuituk (I think I've got the spelling right -- it's pronounced eye-oo-WE-took) on Baffin Island, which covers a very long fjiord and has magnificent glaciers and spectacular mountains. It's large enough to have a permanent ice cap, like Greenland and Ellesmere Island, too. The only inhabited place used to be a little village which has now, because of the park, at least got some permanence to it, called Pangnirtung. It has an airport, and tourists actually fly in and hire local guides and go camping, hiking, the whole bit. And speaking more literally of tropical wonderlands, the remains of an entire petrified tropical forest have been found on Ellesmere Island, and this will be a heritage site soon. Can you imagine? Ellesmere Island is the northernmost land mass in the western hemisphere -- at its very tip is Canadian Forces Station Alert, the northernmost settlement in the western hemisphere, and yet there was once a tropical forest there. Gary Smith wrote: > I can just see the millions of people that will flock to this tropical > wonderland!!! > > My favorite will always be Glacier-Waterton International Peace Park. In > it, I feel our two nations approach each other as greater friends than in > many other ways. The awesome views of Glacier become even greater views > in Waterton. > > K'aya K'ama, > Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www > .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html > "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - > Johann Wolfgang von Goethe > > Marc: > 1.Northern Bathurst Island: in the Arctic Archipelago, near the > north magnetic pole > > > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] New national parks
I can just see the millions of people that will flock to this tropical wonderland!!! My favorite will always be Glacier-Waterton International Peace Park. In it, I feel our two nations approach each other as greater friends than in many other ways. The awesome views of Glacier become even greater views in Waterton. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Marc: 1.Northern Bathurst Island: in the Arctic Archipelago, near the north magnetic pole GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Invading Canadian bacon
That's right! Only the United States has the right to invade Canada or Mexico. Don't anyone else dare try and do it, or else K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Scott: I don't think so. I think the list is far from empty. The list would include many of the same countries that would like to invade Canada. It is just that they are not inclined to try, just as they don't try to invade the US. Part (and I _DO_ know it is only part) of the reason they don't try is _BECAUSE_ of the US. They know that if they tried to invade Canada, they would immediately be attacked by the US. They don't try to invade the US for the same reason. Mexico also benefits from this same effect. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] To act or to be acted upon
There is no such thing as "free" agency. The saints often misconstrue what agency really is. It is the gift of choosing. The war in heaven decided the issue of agency. No one in this life can take a person's agency from him/her (so if your rebellious child says they are demanding their free agency, tell them it is something you can't take away from them. All you can do is give them choices and consequences. You can tell him to go to his room, but he can choose to disobey and accept the consequence, instead). We can only lose the ability to choose from our own actions. When a person chooses sin, he has given his ability to act away. Sin entraps a person, usually little by little, until the person is incapable of acting and can only be acted upon. For example, the person who develops an addiction to sin (drugs, sex, pornography, lying, hatred, etc) does not develop it overnight. Like the bird who sells his feathers one at a time, to the man with worms, he keeps most of his capability at first. Only later does he find it harder to fly to the higher branches. Eventually, his choices cause him to no longer be able to fly. He has now become only able to be acted upon. He doesn't have the choice to fly back up to the branches (or anywhere else) to find food elsewhere. Comparing that to man: The greater light we let into our lives, the greater our ability to act. Those with lesser light, must be acted upon. Many compare the levels of kingdoms with members of the Godhead: Father-Celestial, Son-Terrestrial, Holy Ghost-Telestial, Light of Christ- Outer Darkness. I would imagine that sons of perdition have so little light in their lives that they are only capable of being acted upon, like acting on a rock. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Scott McGee: This reminded me of a topic I wanted to discuss. In the Book of Mormon I seem to recall several places where the idea of being able to act or to be acted upon is presented. It seems to me, that the idea here, is that we are given the ability to act, and our actions determine in large part how well we retain that ability or are degarded to a state of being acted upon. I get the destinct impression that one of the consequenses of sin is to move you more and more to the state of being acted upon. There is a strong resonance for me here. Partly, I think, because I have a strong beleif in teaching my children about consequences. Partly, however, it seems to strike a very strong and familiar chord with my spirit. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
I know how Canadians spell it. However, our larger Zion audience is US Americans, and you know that Johnny can't read And here I am stuck in Alabama. Definitely a treasure trove of high quality illiterates K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Marc: Toque. It's pronounced tooke but it's spelled toque. But we'd still have siwashes. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Temperature [Tariffs and War]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I would think someone would notice the difference between > -40 and +40 (even in Medicine Hat?), although the US Army > folks near here are the same way. What difference does a > few degrees make, as long as you figure the trajectory right? > > But it would be very difficult to tell the difference between > -40C and -40F, IMO. > Indeed -- "impossible" wouldn't be too strong a word. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Temperature [Tariffs and War]
I would think someone would notice the difference between -40 and +40 (even in Medicine Hat?), although the US Army folks near here are the same way. What difference does a few degrees make, as long as you figure the trajectory right? But it would be very difficult to tell the difference between -40C and -40F, IMO. Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ___ Marc Schindler: Medicine Hat, which is nearby (servicemen from the area go to the Brooks Ward of the Medicine Hat Stake), says it has a 40/40 climate, and that's what they mean -- either +40 or -40, what's the difference? Larry Jackson wrote: > Minus 40 degrees F, minus 40 degrees C. > In Canada, who would even notice the difference, eh? > > Larry Jackson > > ___ > > -ELF-: > Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured > for the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F > > St Stephan: > Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. > Heaven only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees. > > Till: > Comfort Zone GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Chuckle
My Dad's new .sig file: I want to die like my Grandfather did: peacefully in his sleep not like his passengers, screaming in terror. Here's one he used to have which I think I recently quoted, but just in case: I like pigs. Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you, but pigs consider you their equal - Sir Winston Churchill -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] A Saint First, Then an American
Our BLT wrote: > > I am a saint first, and then an American. I hope we all feel that way. === Grampa Bill comments: I do. But in all candor, I must admit that I would be very uncomfortable if I heard a Muslim say, " I am a Moslem first, and then an American." Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah Check out my "General Authority Pages," the most comprehensive source of information on the General Authorities available anywhere(!!!) on my web site at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/w/o/wol3 Comments welcome. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > Depends on the shape/size of the hubcaps, we suppose . > > Till who won't go into ANY more detail, thank you Grampa Bill responds: Remember, we'se talkin' about military ordinance. Them's warheads, not hubcaps. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah Check out my "General Authority Pages," the most comprehensive source of information on the General Authorities available anywhere(!!!) on my web site at: http://personal.lig.bellsouth.net/lig/w/o/wol3 Comments welcome. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon
At 01:41 PM 10/3/2002, you wrote: >Marc, in amongst some other stuff, said the following: > > > We have free agency but limited options, which is usually how life > > works. > >This reminded me of a topic I wanted to discuss. In the Book of Mormon I >seem to recall several places where the idea of being able to act or to >be acted upon is presented. It seems to me, that the idea here, is that >we are given the ability to act, and our actions determine in large part >how well we retain that ability or are degarded to a state of being acted >upon. > >I get the destinct impression that one of the consequenses of sin is to >move you more and more to the state of being acted upon. > >There is a strong resonance for me here. Partly, I think, because I have >a strong beleif in teaching my children about consequences. Partly, >however, it seems to strike a very strong and familiar chord with my >spirit. > >Have any of you ever pondered this topic, or wish to discuss it now? > >Scott I've often wondered about the difference. I'm not sure whether one can become degenerated so far as to lose the ability to act but as least as far as our ability to "act" is concerned, it seems that obedience to God's laws and commandments will enhance our capability to act. If this ability to act is analyzed one can come to the conclusion that this ability to act actually increases ones freedom, and freedom can be broken down into at least four heads--life, liberty, property and knowledge or truth. President David O. McKay once said President David O. Mckay said that freedom or free agency is a "measuring rod" to judge all the actions of men: I refer to the fundamental principle of the gospel, free agency, references in the scriptures show that it is essential to man's salvation and may be a measuring rod by which the actions of men, of organizations and of Nations may be judged. (David O. McKay, Conference Report, April 1940) If freedom is a measuring rod to judge actions, then actions which are good or evil are determined by their effect on freedom or its constituent elements-life, liberty, property and truth. Those actions which are good tend to: 1. Preserve, increase and enhance a persons health, strength and vitality, or to act as a co-creator with God in lawful marriage to bring about "new" life; 2. To protect, enhance or otherwise ensure one's own or another's liberty; 3. To protect or increase one's own or another's property; 4. To increase or enhance one's knowledge of the Truth or to act to promote knowledge in others. Here are a few concrete examples from the scriptures to show what I mean about actions being either good or evil and their effect on life, liberty, property and truth: Murder: The destruction of Life. (Exodus 20:13) Being a Good Samaritan: Preserves and enhances life (Luke 10: 25-37) Abortion: The prohibiting of "New Life" (D&C 59:6) Lawful Marriage: Makes possible procreation which provides for "New" Life (D&C 132:19) Sexual Sin: Prostitutes the "powers of Life" and is next to murder in seriousness (Alma 39:5-6) Chastity and Virtue: Protects the "powers of Life" (D&C 121 :45-46) The Unpardonable Sin: Blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; spiritual suicide whereby you crucify Christ unto yourself (D&C 76:35) Obedience to the Word of wisdom: Protects and enhances one's health (D&C 89) Slavery: Prohibits full use of one's faculties and Liberty (D&C 101:79) Liberating the Captive: Assisting in "freeing" others (Jacob 2:19) Theft: Prevents use of property (Exodus 20:15) Work: The production of useful property: By applying labor to the Earth's resources man can "create" property Robbery: The taking of property by force. Prevents use of property (D&C 134:8) Charity: Helps the poor and needy to acquire the necessities of life Arson or Vandalism: Destroys property Military and Police Forces: A positive good if used correctly in defense of private property Lies and Deception: Prevents and distorts truth (2 Nephi 9:34) Honesty and Integrity: Always adheres to the truth (Proverbs 12:22; Job 2:3) Slander: Colors the Truth (Titus 3:2) Teaching: Spreads the truth (Ephesians 4:11) Gossip: Spreads lies or distortions of the truth (Leviticus 19:16) Humility: Being Teachable (Matthew 22:12) Ignorance: Incapacitates the use of truth (Isaiah 5:13) Seeker of Truth: Acquires knowledge for good Likewise, our ability to "act" by using our life, liberty, property or truth can be either enhanced or decreased depending on our obedience to God. As before here are some examples from the scriptures showing how our life, liberty, property and knowledge are affected by either obedience or disobedience: Miriam was stricken with leprosy seven days for complaining against Moses. Which disease debilitated the body and prevented Miriam from exercising or enjoying her full use of the attribute of Life (Numbers 12:1-16) Naaman in obedience to the word of the Lord, dipped himself in the River Jordan
Re: [ZION] Possibly expanding family
At 06:39 PM 10/3/2002 -0500, Heidi wrote: >While they hope against hope that their daughter will put her life in >order, they are extremely doubtful that this will take place. The court >has given her six months to >make changes in her life sufficient to be able to care for the children. >Again, her parents are very doubtful that she ever will be at that point >anytime soon. Which is where we come in...the grandparents would love to >see these darling children raised in a strong LDS home and sealed to their >parents, and they - knowing we haven't been able to have more children - >asked if we might consider adopting them. It may be too late already. ASFA timelines give the State 12 months from the time the children enter substitute care to "fish or cut bait". Either the State can whip the parents into shape and return the kids, or parental rights are terminated and the kids are placed in a long-term (hopefully permanent) living situation like an adoptive home. Once rights are terminated, the ex-parents have no say in where the kids go. Federal law prohibits paying any attention to the ex-parents' desires about the race/religion/etc. of any potential adoptive parents. About the only hope is to make adoptive arrangements while the parents still have custody. Rick Mathis / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)
There's a real-life precedent for your scenario: Napoleon's invasion of Russia, and that was just the Priepsky Marshes that he had to navigate. Territory and weather were major causes of the Nazi failure in their attempt at invading Russia, too. Mark Gregson wrote: > > > So, in conclusion, I think the list you stated would be empty is, > > instead, rather lengthy. I won't bother to try to fill in the list, > > but if you were to concede my arguements, you would see that it is > > indeed a long one. > > But that's just what I refuse to do: concede that any country can do an overseas >invasion of Canada. > > You have heard of wargaming. I mean the real stuff done by the military, not the >Saturday afternoon fantasies of teenage boys. Do a wargame of an overseas invasion >of Canada. You will be quite astounded at how hard it would be to invade. > > I repeat my mantra: overseas invasions are really hard. So hard that Canada is >safe. Without the US. > > = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = > > > -- > __ > Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ > > Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ > > Powered by Outblaze > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] From your humble correspondent
In today's Edmonton Journal, 03/10/02
Background: Lorne Gunter is a right-wing columnist for the Southam
chain, which is okay -- I can read commentary by people of any stripe if
it's got some redeeming social value like wit, humour, knowledge,
what-have-you. But Gunter is a "foil" -- he's dumb as a rock, in my
humble opinion, and seems to compose his columns by surfing the Internet
indiscriminately and, while not necessarily plagiarizing, at least does
little original thought and research, and this makes him an easy target
for critics like me. In fact, I have a theory that Southam Press keeps
him for that very reason; kind of why CBC Sports keeps Don Cherry in
Coach's Corner on Hockey Night in Canada -- because the guy's a clown
and draws viewers/readers.
Anyway, with that background...
"Dead language would suit Gunter
"Alan Rutkowski suggests that in the name of multiculturalism, Lorne
Gunter's columns be printed in Albanian ('Multiculturalism doesn't
translate,' Letter, Oct. 1).
"I have what I feel is an even more useful idea: print them in Hittite.
Hittite is a dead language from what is now Turkey that hasn't been
spoken in thousands of years. since dinosaurs didn't speak (so far as we
know), Hittite might be the closest we could come to matching 'the
medium with the message' in this case.
"Marc A. Schindler, Spruce Grove"
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Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
"The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high
and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our
mark."
--Michelangelo Buonarroti
Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the
author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the
authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author
may be associated.
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[ZION] Diamonds are an Inuit's best friend
I can't find the article in the online edition, even though it's the main headline in today's business section of the Edmonton Journal, but here's something simple, but something I have to admit I'd never thought of. How do you help control the flow of "blood diamonds"? What's to stop brokers from buying diamonds from all the new mines that are opening up in the Northwest Territories and Nunavut (even Alberta has a few promising sites), sending them off to Antwerp for polishing and then mixing in Liberian or Sierra Leonean diamonds and selling them to wholesalers as Canadian? Well, Tiffany's, the big New York-based jewellery chain has taken the mountain to Mohammed: it's actually opening up a cutting and polishing centre right in beautiful downtown Yellowknife, capital (such as it is) of the Northwest Territories. The plant will cost C$3 million to build and they have contracted with the Diavik mine for an annual supply of US$50 million worth of gem quality diamonds beginning in 2003 (including the laser-etching of a polar bear one of the bottom facets). That has the advantage of getting around the oligopoly of DeBeers, which is losing more and more control over the diamond market because of these rather surprising finds in the Canadian Arctic (I mean, whodathunkit?). Tiffany's figures 25% of its diamonds will eventually come from Canada, and it can use this to market themselves as a "blood-free" supplier, as it were. It cuts costs for Tiffany's, too, despite the remoteness of the operation, because what they've done, of course, is integrate upstream, as they say in the oil industry. That is, they've cut out New York, Tel Aviv and Antwerp's middlemen and established their own cutting facility, substantially reducing the cost of the final diamonds. Good news for young fiancées (or the fiancés who pay for them) starting in about 5 years: look for a drop in retail prices by 10-15%. [that last part isn't in the article; it's my own personal estimate] -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Iraq and war
Canada ready to send 2 000 troops along with US forces to Iraq (this is
about the same that was committed in the Afghan conflict). Big mistake,
imo. But you probably already knew that.
http://www.canada.com/edmonton/story.asp?id={46C902C1-54EA-48C3-AF0D-328588B036B8}
--
Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
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Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Dan R Allen wrote: > > Mark: > > If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, > > well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would > > already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD > > will not work and will not be built. > > > > Dan: > > Actually, it would work, (has in multiple tests), > > Marc: > Tests that would not pass scientific scrutiny, because the criteria were > defined > ex post facto. Put into plain English, the tests failed miserably and the > Pentagon went into full spin control. Not a single test missile fired from > Kwajalein has ever hit a target when decoys were present. So the Pentagon > simply > took that requirement out of its criteria, and, bingo! Success! > > Dan: > I think that you might be relying on old information about the use of > decoys during testing. > > http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_04/testapril02.asp > Did you actually read this? While it's true that it's more up to date than the information I had (see below), I see they're still using balloons, not real decoys, and they still haven't developed the close-range tracking technology necessary but are relying on shock waves, which isn't part of the design criteria. "n the closing seconds before an intercept, the EKV relies on its infrared sensors, as well as preprogrammed information on the objects it is expected to see, to select the right target. Some critics object that the Pentagon is unlikely to have as much information on future enemy warheads and decoys as it does with its own test elements, but Pentagon officials defend the use of preprogrammed information, explaining that they hope to have such information in a future, real-world situation. "Trying to deflect any criticism of the Pentagons approach, Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz told CNN a day after the test that, before some critic discovers it, this was not a realistic test, adding that the decoys were not as good a decoy as we would expect to face later. Wolfowitz stressed that the system is only a development program at this time." So even the spinmeister admits he's spinning. > > Complex systems require complex test plans. Testing is done in steps; as > the requirements for that step are met, complexity is added to either the > system being tested, or the test that it must pass. There is still a large > number of tests that need to be conducted before the system could be > fielded. We've barely started. The 2 failures reported in the mass media > were instances of manufacturing failures, not design or concept failures. > So far, other than those two, all of the missile tests have passed the > testing requirements; proving that the portion of the concept they were > _intended_ to validate is indeed valid. > Could you point out where you got the information that the test firings > have been such abject failures? My latest information is as of 19/07/01. Sorry I have to quote the whole article and can't just give a URL, but it's in the subscriber area of The Economist: Missile tests If at first you dont succeed... Jul 19th 2001 >From The Economist print edition "A timely hit in space has helped the Pentagons case THIS time, nobody could accuse the Pentagon of building up unrealistic expectations. In the run-up to its fourth attempt to stop a long-range ballistic missile as it hurtled through space on July 14th, the Defence Department insisted again and again that it did not really matter much whether the $100m experiment worked. What were test failures, anywayso the argument wentexcept a healthy sign that new ideas were being tried out, and new conclusions being drawn? As Paul Wolfowitz, the deputy defence secretary, told Congress, all the best arms programmes began with one setback after another. Failure is how we learn, he insisted. If a programme never suffers test failures, it means someone is not taking enough risks or pushing the envelope. In fact, the test went according to planor so the Pentagon, very cautiously, asserts. First an intercontinental ballistic missile, carrying a mock warhead, was launched from an air base north of Los Angeles. Simultaneously, a decoy balloon was fired in a similar direction. Then, about 20 minutes later and 5,000 miles away, an interceptor rocket carrying a small kill vehicle was unleashed from the Kwajalein atoll in the Marshall Islands; within eight minutes, the killer had detached itself, figured out which was the fake target and collided with the real one at more than 16,000 miles per hour. Pictures relayed to the Pentagon showed an impressive flash of light; there was cheering in the control room. True to his low-key style, Donald Rumsfeld, the defence secretary, followed proceedings from home for the reasonhis spokeswoman saidthat it was just a test. Should American taxpayers be concerned, then, that not enough risks are being taken or envelopes pushed? In one sense, yes. The target was c
Re: Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)
Mark: But that's just what I refuse to do: concede that any country can do an overseas invasion of Canada. You have heard of wargaming. I mean the real stuff done by the military, not the Saturday afternoon fantasies of teenage boys. Do a wargame of an overseas invasion of Canada. You will be quite astounded at how hard it would be to invade. Dan: Wasn't the movie "Red Dawn" about the possibility of an overseas invasion? Granted, it was an invasion of the US, but if it'll work here Not to say that I disagree with you, but if a planner is able to 'think outside the box' there _might_ be a way to successfully invade either the US or Canada. But a full scale invasion is not realistic; our enemies have found other easier ways to take us over. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Possibly expanding family
No...I'm not pregnant (I don't think, anyway...). We may just have the opportunity to adopt two children in as little as six months from now. They have been removed from their parents' custody because the parents are barely more than children themselves and can't even take care of themselves. They had been living in a dump of a home and had been obtaining their electricity illegally. Well, the utilities found out and sent someone to shut off the electricity. When that happened, they realized that there were young children in the home (at this point, they are 20 months old and 6 months old) and reported that to authorities. They were removed from the home a week ago. The maternal grandparents are members of our ward and are just agonized over this. They were going to take the children in to their home but realized that if they did, the mother would never be motivated to make needed changes in her life (the husband is only father of the youngest child). While they hope against hope that their daughter will put her life in order, they are extremely doubtful that this will take place. The court has given her six months to make changes in her life sufficient to be able to care for the children. Again, her parents are very doubtful that she ever will be at that point anytime soon. Which is where we come in...the grandparents would love to see these darling children raised in a strong LDS home and sealed to their parents, and they - knowing we haven't been able to have more children - asked if we might consider adopting them. That came as quite a shock, but after much prayer and discussion, we decided that should the court terminate parental rights, we would love to add these children to our family. So, we could have them in our home in as little as six months from now, which is an exciting thought. We put the question to our children to see what they thought, and they were so excited at the prospect. They are really hoping that they end up with a new little sister and a new little brother. We're just praying that things will work out the way the Lord would have them do, whether they are meant to stay with their biological mother or be adopted by us. Just thought I'd let you all know...I'll keep y'all posted... Heidi the fair Heidi Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
I've heard of these canned food kits. I heard about it months ago on the RS list, and our stake has lately been making people aware of them. The cannery most people in our stake use is the one in Hendersonville, TN (the one Sandy & Melinda would us), and I know you can get them there though I don't know what the cost for them is there. However, my friend and I are planning on going down there together in the next month or so to get one of these kits for each member of our families. They are a basic year's supply for one person for roughly $25-30 per person...a good deal, in my book. They will go along nicely with what we have, and give us the grain we need to fill out our supply. Heidi the fair > [Original Message] > From: Dan R Allen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: 10/2/2002 2:17:27 PM > Subject: Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated > > > > > > Dan writes, > >The Church is certainly _trying_ to make this easier; Have they started > >talking about the prepackaged food kits in your area yet? > --- > > Sandy: > I've heard of pre-packaged food kits, especially along the lines > of MRE's, but they're usually produced or distributed by a > third party company, such as Emergency Preparedness out of > Orem, UT. I think you can get one person-year's worth of > rations so described for around $2500-3000. Maybe a little > less when it's on sale. > > Dan: > No, these are being put out by the Church Canneries, at least here in Mesa. > They consist of two boxes containing #10 cans of Wheat, Beans, Oatmeal, and > Powered Milk along with Sugar, Oil, Salt etc. The two boxes contain enough > food to feed an adult (supposably) for 1 month, and cost ~$26. We've been > getting a lot of encouragement from the Stake level to take advantage of > this, so was just wondering if anyone else had heard of it. > > Sandy: > Which reminds me...how long would Chef Boyardee last as a > food storage item? =) Or canned goods, generally? We > could probably start our food storage program with some > canned goods, some pasta, and a few bottles of Paul Newman > salad dressing . . . > > Dan: > From what I've been hearing, not as long as you might think - At least from > a nutritional standpoint. > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > Heidi Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Wargaming (was Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated)
> So, in conclusion, I think the list you stated would be empty is, > instead, rather lengthy. I won't bother to try to fill in the list, > but if you were to concede my arguements, you would see that it is > indeed a long one. But that's just what I refuse to do: concede that any country can do an overseas invasion of Canada. You have heard of wargaming. I mean the real stuff done by the military, not the Saturday afternoon fantasies of teenage boys. Do a wargame of an overseas invasion of Canada. You will be quite astounded at how hard it would be to invade. I repeat my mantra: overseas invasions are really hard. So hard that Canada is safe. Without the US. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
Gary Smith wrote: > With the Arab/Islam idealeology, which I've tried to study closely since > before Reagan sent our Marines into Lebanon, I've learned that the only > thing they understand is supreme, ruthless force. Anything less is turned > into a martyr's paradise. Iran doesn't invade Iraq, because they know > Hussein will happily use bio-chem warfare; or Syria's occupation of > Lebanon. Do you know the history of Lebanon? Do you know how it came to be created? If you've studied Syria's history you probably know about Hama, which is a pretty good example of being pretty ruthless, to say the least, but do you know why al-Assad did what he did there? -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
Gary Smith wrote:
> But you are a Canadian liberal, which means you are only about 60% of an
> US American liberal. ;-)
>
Hmm, that could be a good thinkI'll have to think about that!
>
> Besides, you are very different than an American liberal. They respond
> totally by expressing feelings ("I feel your pain"), while you back
> yourself up with lots and lots of documentation
>
I don't feel back pain, I give it (the documentationsorry, it's the best I
could come up with on short notice)
>
> So, while you aren't as conservative a JWR, you definitely are no Bill
> Clinton, either
>
It really is hard to compare. Mark Gregson is considered quite conservative here
(I don't think I'm hanging laundry in public -- he's reluctant to discuss
politics while he's serving as bishop, but I don't think this is any big secret,
either -- but he can always correct me (he's bigger than me and sees me many
Sundays anyway)). But his stance on things like the military-industrial complex
would make many conservatives in the US doubt his "credentials" so to speak.
>
> K'aya K'ama,
K'uppa J'ava,
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Marc A. Schindler
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Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Gary Smith wrote: > I think Canada has potential big enemies internally. There are the Quebec > group (unless, of course you are a froggie, then it would be the Anglos), > for example. Of course, Nanuck of the North could always get with Bob and > Doug and create a took Toque. It's pronounced tooke but it's spelled toque. But we'd still have siwashes. Bob to Doug: "What's a six pack in metric?" > and back-bacon shortage. Half the Canadian economy > would shut down. > Oh, and "Super Mario" is taking care of the Quebec problem. Support for separatism is at an all time (which is to say, post WWII) low right now, and a 3rd party led by a boyish fellow named Mario Dumont is actually leading in the polls. Not bad for a party that only had 2 seats in the last Assemblé National. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] New National Parks
No, they didn't, other than a vague reference to "improving" the existing parks
as well as creating the new ones. I got the impression that the size increase
would come from the new parks; I didn't know they were going to increase any of
the existing ones. Waterton's limited at its SE corner by an exclave of the Blood
Reserve, isn't it? I assume they mean to go north by northwest, along the
continental divide, but I'm only guessing.
In fact, I'd like to see them amalgamate four parks into one. Right now I think
Wood Buffalo is the largest national park in North America, but I bet if they
combined Banff, Jasper, Kootenay and Yoho (which are all contiguous anyway) and
called the new one just "Rocky Mountain National Park" that that would be at
least as big as Wood Buffalo, don't you think?
And then, if they added the Kananaskis country, which is a provincial
recreational area or some such designation, that would link up Rocky Mountain
with Waterton into one huge super park. That in turn could form part of the Y2Y
corridor that some people are talking about: a Yukon-to-Yellowstone corridor for
wildlife. They'd have to increase Yellowstone northwest, Glacier southeast, and
add some kind of park in between to span the eastern slope of Montana's western
border. Then they could fold in some of BC's provincial parks in the north, and
one of the 3 new parks yet to be officially announced which is going to be in the
southern Yukon, and that would link to Kluane, and you'd have your corridor: all
the way from the Alaskan border into NW Wyoming.
Tom Matkin wrote:
> They also announced, or it was said that the government would announce,
> that Waterton National Park (the northern contiguous sister park to
> Glacier National Park) will be increased in size. I was wondering if I
> would wake up this morning and find that I now lived in a National Park.
> Did they announce the particulars of the intended increase?
>
> Tom
>
> Cardston, Alberta
> www.matkin.com
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Marc A. Schindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: October 3, 2002 4:25 PM
> > To: zion-l
> > Subject: [ZION] New National Parks
> >
> > 10 new national parks have been announced, increasing the area of our
> > national parks by 50%:
> >
> <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021003/U
> PA
> > RKN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline_temp/3/3/30/>>
> >
> > There's no map online, so here's a summary list of the parks and where
> > they are:
> >
> > 1.Northern Bathurst Island: in the Arctic Archipelago, near the
> > north magnetic pole
> > 2. East arm of Great Slave Lake (tundra meets the northern edge of
> > the boreal forest; caribou and other wildlife)
> > 3.Gwali Haunas Marine (Queen Charlotte Islands; Gwaii is the Haida
> > word for "Haida")
> > 4. & 5.Gulf Islands and Gulf Islands Marine (Canadian side of the
> > Gulf Islands north of Puget Sound)
> > 6.Manitoba Lowlands ("Interlaken" muskeg area where the Canadian
> > shield meets the eastern edge of the boreal forest)
> > 7. Mealy Mountains (mountains lining the big inlet where Happy
> > Valley-Goose Bay NATO base is, in Labrador)
> > 8. Torngat Mountains (northern tip of Labrador and east side of
> > Quebec's Ungava Bay)
> > 9. Ukkusiksalik (Wager Bay); reversing waterfall on Chesterfield
> > Inlet, polar bear habitat
> > 10.North Shore of Lake Superior (marine park)
> >
> > There are already 39 national parks; this will make 49; and Chrétien
> has
> > said he will announce 3 more in the coming months.
> >
> > --
> > Marc A. Schindler
> > Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
> >
> > "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too
> high
> > and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our
> > mark."
> > --Michelangelo Buonarroti
> >
> > Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the
> > author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the
> > authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author
> > may be associated.
> >
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Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
> Mark: > If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, > well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would > already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD > will not work and will not be built. > > Dan: > Actually, it would work, (has in multiple tests), Marc: Tests that would not pass scientific scrutiny, because the criteria were defined ex post facto. Put into plain English, the tests failed miserably and the Pentagon went into full spin control. Not a single test missile fired from Kwajalein has ever hit a target when decoys were present. So the Pentagon simply took that requirement out of its criteria, and, bingo! Success! Dan: I think that you might be relying on old information about the use of decoys during testing. http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2002_04/testapril02.asp Complex systems require complex test plans. Testing is done in steps; as the requirements for that step are met, complexity is added to either the system being tested, or the test that it must pass. There is still a large number of tests that need to be conducted before the system could be fielded. We've barely started. The 2 failures reported in the mass media were instances of manufacturing failures, not design or concept failures. So far, other than those two, all of the missile tests have passed the testing requirements; proving that the portion of the concept they were _intended_ to validate is indeed valid. Could you point out where you got the information that the test firings have been such abject failures? I detect some major spin here - based on personal knowledge, not relying on my "right-wing" news sources. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] New National Parks
They also announced, or it was said that the government would announce,
that Waterton National Park (the northern contiguous sister park to
Glacier National Park) will be increased in size. I was wondering if I
would wake up this morning and find that I now lived in a National Park.
Did they announce the particulars of the intended increase?
Tom
Cardston, Alberta
www.matkin.com
> -Original Message-
> From: Marc A. Schindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: October 3, 2002 4:25 PM
> To: zion-l
> Subject: [ZION] New National Parks
>
> 10 new national parks have been announced, increasing the area of our
> national parks by 50%:
>
<<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021003/U
PA
> RKN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline_temp/3/3/30/>>
>
> There's no map online, so here's a summary list of the parks and where
> they are:
>
> 1.Northern Bathurst Island: in the Arctic Archipelago, near the
> north magnetic pole
> 2. East arm of Great Slave Lake (tundra meets the northern edge of
> the boreal forest; caribou and other wildlife)
> 3.Gwali Haunas Marine (Queen Charlotte Islands; Gwaii is the Haida
> word for "Haida")
> 4. & 5.Gulf Islands and Gulf Islands Marine (Canadian side of the
> Gulf Islands north of Puget Sound)
> 6.Manitoba Lowlands ("Interlaken" muskeg area where the Canadian
> shield meets the eastern edge of the boreal forest)
> 7. Mealy Mountains (mountains lining the big inlet where Happy
> Valley-Goose Bay NATO base is, in Labrador)
> 8. Torngat Mountains (northern tip of Labrador and east side of
> Quebec's Ungava Bay)
> 9. Ukkusiksalik (Wager Bay); reversing waterfall on Chesterfield
> Inlet, polar bear habitat
> 10.North Shore of Lake Superior (marine park)
>
> There are already 39 national parks; this will make 49; and Chrétien
has
> said he will announce 3 more in the coming months.
>
> --
> Marc A. Schindler
> Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
>
> "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too
high
> and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our
> mark."
> --Michelangelo Buonarroti
>
> Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the
> author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the
> authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author
> may be associated.
>
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RE: [ZION] War in Iraq
Its not the same if it comes from me Marc. Ce la vie. Clifford M Dubery -Original Message- From: Marc A. Schindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZION] War in Iraq Feel free. I'm no longer on LDS-poll (I had to cut back my listserve activity for health reasons). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Go on Marc, post it to LDS-poll :) > > Clifford Dubery > > -Original Message- > From: Marc A. Schindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:34 AM > To: zion-l > Subject: [ZION] War in Iraq > > Step 1.Co-op Congress. Status: half-done > Step 2.Get the peacemakers out of the way: > http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1365350 > Step 3:Continue with the media fog that it's about WMD (sub-step: > has the guy who wrote the phrase "regime change" for that speech been > fired yet?) > > -- > Marc A. Schindler > Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland > > "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high > and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our > mark." > --Michelangelo Buonarroti > > Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the > author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the > authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author > may be associated. > > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > / > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
I think Canada has potential big enemies internally. There are the Quebec group (unless, of course you are a froggie, then it would be the Anglos), for example. Of course, Nanuck of the North could always get with Bob and Doug and create a took and back-bacon shortage. Half the Canadian economy would shut down. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Mark: I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: Please send me a list of Canada's enemies who could invade Canada. Your list will be empty. There is no one. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Tariffs and War
But you are a Canadian liberal, which means you are only about 60% of an
US American liberal. ;-)
Besides, you are very different than an American liberal. They respond
totally by expressing feelings ("I feel your pain"), while you back
yourself up with lots and lots of documentation
So, while you aren't as conservative a JWR, you definitely are no Bill
Clinton, either
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At 13:21 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote:
>And somebody better check the temperature in hell, because you know
what?
>I agree with every word John's written here (although I would interpret
>some of the references a bit differently). And I'm supposed to be the
>token liberal on the list. :-)
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[ZION] Bunny boots and Mukluks
Nah, Bunny boots are little booties for bunnies Keeps their feet warm. What? You haven't heard of snow bunnies before? ;-) K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Marc: Huh, the things ya learn here. I had never heard of bunny boots and assumed Till was just referring to furry boots. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Tariffs and War
With the Arab/Islam idealeology, which I've tried to study closely since before Reagan sent our Marines into Lebanon, I've learned that the only thing they understand is supreme, ruthless force. Anything less is turned into a martyr's paradise. Iran doesn't invade Iraq, because they know Hussein will happily use bio-chem warfare; or Syria's occupation of Lebanon. They only understand a Mongol-like invasion, which totally devastates them. America couldn't do it, because we just aren't ruthless enough. Yes, we can push them back for a time, but their anger only grows. Why did we have the Afghanis fight their own war with us doing back up? Because they could do things in that war we couldn't. Isn't interesting how the Nephites never could quite get rid of the Lamanites. At most, they could get them scared to invade (for a time). K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Marc: Nothing is as it appears in the Middle East: when Egypt's Gammel Abdul Nasser was dealt what we thought was a humiliating defeat in the Six Days' War in June 1967, he was actually hailed as a hero in the Arab World. We don't understand why this should be so, but until we figure it out, we will continue making the same mistakes over and over. Unless we really enjoy cuddling up to snakes, we had best leave the countries of the region to sort out their own affairs. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] War in Iraq
Feel free. I'm no longer on LDS-poll (I had to cut back my listserve activity for health reasons). [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Go on Marc, post it to LDS-poll :) > > Clifford Dubery > > -Original Message- > From: Marc A. Schindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:34 AM > To: zion-l > Subject: [ZION] War in Iraq > > Step 1.Co-op Congress. Status: half-done > Step 2.Get the peacemakers out of the way: > http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1365350 > Step 3:Continue with the media fog that it's about WMD (sub-step: > has the guy who wrote the phrase "regime change" for that speech been > fired yet?) > > -- > Marc A. Schindler > Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland > > "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high > and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our > mark." > --Michelangelo Buonarroti > > Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the > author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the > authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author > may be associated. > > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > / > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
Medicine Hat, which is nearby (servicemen from the area go to the Brooks Ward of the Medicine Hat Stake), says it has a 40/40 climate, and that's what they mean -- either +40 or -40, what's the difference? Larry Jackson wrote: > Minus 40 degrees F, minus 40 degrees C. > In Canada, who would even notice the difference, eh? > > Larry Jackson > > ___ > > -ELF-: > Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured > for the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F > > St Stephan: > Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. > Heaven only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees. > > Till: > Comfort Zone > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] New National Parks
10 new national parks have been announced, increasing the area of our
national parks by 50%:
<<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/PEstory/TGAM/20021003/UPARKN/national/national/nationalTheNationHeadline_temp/3/3/30/>>
There's no map online, so here's a summary list of the parks and where
they are:
1.Northern Bathurst Island: in the Arctic Archipelago, near the
north magnetic pole
2. East arm of Great Slave Lake (tundra meets the northern edge of
the boreal forest; caribou and other wildlife)
3.Gwali Haunas Marine (Queen Charlotte Islands; Gwaii is the Haida
word for "Haida")
4. & 5.Gulf Islands and Gulf Islands Marine (Canadian side of the
Gulf Islands north of Puget Sound)
6.Manitoba Lowlands ("Interlaken" muskeg area where the Canadian
shield meets the eastern edge of the boreal forest)
7. Mealy Mountains (mountains lining the big inlet where Happy
Valley-Goose Bay NATO base is, in Labrador)
8. Torngat Mountains (northern tip of Labrador and east side of
Quebec's Ungava Bay)
9. Ukkusiksalik (Wager Bay); reversing waterfall on Chesterfield
Inlet, polar bear habitat
10.North Shore of Lake Superior (marine park)
There are already 39 national parks; this will make 49; and Chrétien has
said he will announce 3 more in the coming months.
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Marc A. Schindler
Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland
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Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Thanks, Scott -- you've summarized my views very well, and succinctly. Scott McGee wrote: > > > Hmm, he did agree with John that there was NO honorable nation on earth, > so that implies that Canada is corrupt too. In fact, he criticized Canada > for following the same policies he disagrees with the US adopting. He is > being very consistent here anyway. I happen to agree with John and Marc, > I think (ok, so I am not totally sure of my feelings on the issue yet, I > lean HEAVILY towards their views). > > > > Scott -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] The World's Funniest Joke
You just new it would be about New Jersey, and the researchers would be Brits... <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021003/wjoke1003/Front/homeBN/breakingnews>> -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
[ZION] A 6th Great Lake?
Detroiters want Lake St. Clair declared the 6th Great Lake: <<http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/front/RTGAM/20021003/wedit1003/Front/homeBN/breakingnews>> Okay, but if you look at a map of all of North America, you'll see that the Great Lakes are really part of a chain that ring the Canadian (or Laurentian) Shield, and it's really just history that's designated HOMES* as the 5 that are known as *the* Great Lakes. But if size matters, and being part of this pre-Cambrian ring counts, then you'd have to add the following lakes, most of which is larger than Erie or Ontario, and some approach the size of Huron and Michigan: Lake of the Woods Winnipeg Winnipegosis Reindeer Athabasca Great Slave; and Great Bear *a mnemonic: Huron, Ontario, Michigan, Erie, Superior -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] War in Iraq
Go on Marc, post it to LDS-poll :) Clifford Dubery -Original Message- From: Marc A. Schindler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:34 AM To: zion-l Subject: [ZION] War in Iraq Step 1.Co-op Congress. Status: half-done Step 2.Get the peacemakers out of the way: http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1365350 Step 3:Continue with the media fog that it's about WMD (sub-step: has the guy who wrote the phrase "regime change" for that speech been fired yet?) -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] To act or to be acted upon
I agree with you, but think that you are referring to a moral sphere. In more
everyday matters, it's not sin that necessarily limits a country's options. It
can be all kinds of things. It's just like people. What did I do to have a stroke
that damaged the right-parietal pre-frontal lobe of my brain? Well, when you link
all the chains of cause and effect together, it's because I was born with a
congenitive heart defect I didn't know about until a valve broke. Obviously
that's not a sin, but the consequences have sure limited my course of options.
Now, that is not necessarily a bad thing, it just means that my life will proceed
in a direction that's different than I had originally anticipated. Who knows --
that could turn out to be a very good thing.
I'll give you an example of how Canada's having their options limited has forced
us to turn lemon into lemonade. As part of my job, I used to compile statistics
on the high-tech infrastructure of various jurisdictions, so our marketing people
could help market the province as a good place to do business ("white espionage"
-- reading, surfing the net, buying reports, talking to people). It turns out
that Canada actually leads the US in Internet penetration (the number of people
per capita who use and have access to the Internet), we lead the US in cell phone
ownership and usage, and we are way ahead of you in broadband and 3rd-generation
research-level Internet infrastructure. Now bear with me, I'm not just bragging
here, there's a point. One of the sources for one of my stats was a US magazine
("Newsweek" as I recall), and they said they figured the reason Canadians used
the Internet more (specifically this stat was who used the Internet to shop
online more, and Canada's #1 in the world, or was when I collected that
particular datum) was because it was so cold up here we had nothing better to do
in the winter. The guy was serious, and it's people like that who reinforce our
image of USAmericans as being ignorant of what happens outside their country;
even if this is an unfair (even untrue) perception, it's fed by anecodote after
anecdote like this.
Now here's my point, now that I got all that off my chest. The real reason Canada
does so well in Internet and telco infrastructure is because we're a gigantic
country (the 2nd largest in the world after Russia) with a population roughly
that of New York state. IOW, communications infrastructure is vital, and is a
higher priority for us because we have to overcome this big geograhic barrier we
have, given our low population density. Sir Wilfrid Laurier, a turn-of-the-20th
century PM once said, "Most countries have too much history. Canada has too much
geography."
Another quick example: the fact that you had a revolution saved us from having to
spill blood, and we negotiated our independence from Britain in gradual, peaceful
steps.
So that's the distinction I keep trying to make, but judging from Stephen's
comments, which I take to be caricatures of my own, rather than restatements of
them, I haven't been too successful at explaining myself.
Scott McGee wrote:
> Marc, in amongst some other stuff, said the following:
>
> > We have free agency but limited options, which is usually how life
> > works.
>
> This reminded me of a topic I wanted to discuss. In the Book of Mormon I
> seem to recall several places where the idea of being able to act or to
> be acted upon is presented. It seems to me, that the idea here, is that
> we are given the ability to act, and our actions determine in large part
> how well we retain that ability or are degarded to a state of being acted
> upon.
>
> I get the destinct impression that one of the consequenses of sin is to
> move you more and more to the state of being acted upon.
>
> There is a strong resonance for me here. Partly, I think, because I have
> a strong beleif in teaching my children about consequences. Partly,
> however, it seems to strike a very strong and familiar chord with my
> spirit.
>
> Have any of you ever pondered this topic, or wish to discuss it now?
>
> Scott
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[ZION] War in Iraq
Step 1.Co-op Congress. Status: half-done Step 2.Get the peacemakers out of the way: http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1365350 Step 3:Continue with the media fog that it's about WMD (sub-step: has the guy who wrote the phrase "regime change" for that speech been fired yet?) -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Dan R Allen wrote: > Mark: > If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, > well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would > already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD > will not work and will not be built. > > Dan: > Actually, it would work, (has in multiple tests), Tests that would not pass scientific scrutiny, because the criteria were defined ex post facto. Put into plain English, the tests failed miserably and the Pentagon went into full spin control. Not a single test missile fired from Kwajalein has ever hit a target when decoys were present. So the Pentagon simply took that requirement out of its criteria, and, bingo! Success! > but I agree that it > probably will not be built. The cost is to great in a world that is > beginning to rely on other means. > I realize that, despite my anti-war stance (which I think is not only "compatible" with LDS teaching, but is "normative" LDS teaching; that is, a core doctrine), in the real world in which we live we're going to have to have military power. And better the USA as a hyperpower than the Soviet Union or the Chinese. But even benign "empires" can cause a lot of "collateral damage" (both literally and figuratively) because they also have the interests of themselves in their guise as nation-states, not just as "world policemen" to mind. So what's the solution? Basically I think it's for the US to support a multipolar political-military world order in which the regions would be independent within their spheres but cooperating with each other (and the first obstacle to that latter is that they have to be democracies. I think someone once said that no governments with true democratic governments have ever waged war against each other. i don't know if that's true, but I wouldn't be surprised. But I digress). This is me fantasizing here, in descending order of the quality of drugs I'm on in each scenario ;-) 1. NAFTA/Caribbean, or "Northern Zion". US dominant nation-state, but free trade [real free trade -- no subsidies for Congressmen's pet interests], and regionally integrated military similar to NORAD, where soldiers wear, in effect, two hats: their own country's but on some mission's, NAFTA's. This already happens between Canada and the US -- all 2100 of the personnel we had at the height of our involvement in Afghanistan were ultimately under US command. We didn't take this as an "assault on our sovereignty" -- we only had a unit which at best was at the brigadier-general level. But it's even worked the other way around, believe it or not. My late father-in-law was a medic for the 17th Airborne and jumped twice, once during the Battle of the Bulge and once on the Rhine, near Wesel. His unit, the 17th Airborne, was a division, and commanded by a major-general, but that major-general reported to the British 8th Army (a lieutenant-general) who in turn reported to Field Marshal Montgomery (who in turn reported to 5-star general Eisenhower). But at the divisional level they were under British command. Likewise, the Deputy CO of what I think is called the US 5th Army, a domestic military district covering most of the midwest and headquartered in Texas (San Antonio, I think) is a Canadian lieutenant-general. He has US servicemen reporting to him the same way they would to a US 3-star general [there are a couple of limitations: he can't order a court martial, for instance, minor things like that]. Why? Is the US Army short of 3-star generals that you have to import a Canadian to help command your heartland military district? No -- it's because we don't theatres that operate at the Army or even the Corps level, so in an officer exchange program we often second our officers to work with US forces. At NORAD there are 4 shifts: the USAF shift, the US Army shift, the USN shift, and the Canadian shift. The DCO of all of Cheyenne Mountain complex is a Canadian lieutenant-general*. But NORAD has another headquarters, albeit a smaller one, and that's at North Bay, Ontario (that's where Kennedy wanted the Bomarcs based, incidentally). Here a similar arrangement, but in reverse, is in operation: the CO is a Canadian Lieutenant-General and the DCO is a US major-general (2-star general). *trivioid: the SF show Stargate SG-1, which starts off with a view of a truck going into Cheyenne Mountain, is a Canadian show; the actors are mostly Canadian and some had to take elocution courses to drop their "eh"'s and slow their speech down to what US speakers are used to. ObNameDrop: I've toured Cheyenne Mountain as part of a defence trade mission to Colorado Springs. Anyway, I'm really rambling, so let me close with a reference to an article that explains all of this better than I can. It was published in The Atlantic Monthly earlier this year and is available online: "A New Grand Strategy": http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2002/01/schwarzlayne.htm Oh, and the other regions I see are: 2.
RE: [ZION] Tariffs and War
Minus 40 degrees F, minus 40 degrees C. In Canada, who would even notice the difference, eh? Larry Jackson ___ -ELF-: Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F St Stephan: Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. Heaven only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees. Till: Comfort Zone / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
On Thu, 03 Oct 2002 06:35:09 +0800, "Mark Gregson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > I'll slightly violate a personal (temporary) rule of mine and ask all > on this list who think that Canada needs the US to protect it: > > Please send me a list of Canada's enemies who could invade Canada. > > Your list will be empty. There is no one. I don't think so. I think the list is far from empty. The list would include many of the same countries that would like to invade Canada. It is just that they are not inclined to try, just as they don't try to invade the US. Part (and I _DO_ know it is only part) of the reason they don't try is _BECAUSE_ of the US. They know that if they tried to invade Canada, they would immediately be attacked by the US. They don't try to invade the US for the same reason. Mexico also benefits from this same effect. The US is known as a country with a very strong military and a willingness to protect their own intrests. (Sticking our nose into other people's business is another topic all together!) Therefore, no country will try to invade us or one of our two nearest neighbors without having a good reason to beleive they can defeat us because they can be quite sure we will repell any such invasion. This subject was tested and proved with the Cuban Missle Crises where the "invasion" was merely the placing of missles in a closely neighboring country with that contry's explicit approval. Do you not think that China would like to invade Canada if they thought they could pull it off? I am quite sure they would, but are smart enough not to seriously consider such a thing. Do you think the old USSR would have liked to invade Canada? I sure do. Again, they could have beaten Canada possibly, but not the US who surely would have stepped in heavily to defend Canada. Now, don't get me wrong. I don't ascribe any altruistic notions to the US government. If England wanted to invade Canada, it is possible that the US could be kept out of the picture if England could convince them that Canada as ruled by England would be a better allie. No enemy of the US could ever do so without immediate US intervention. The US government is very strongly inclined to seek what it sees as it's own self interest. This means that it will strongly protect a friendly Canadien government from any enemy agressors. I feel quite as sure that the Government of the US would _wish_ to intervene if it felt an unfriendly internal faction was trying to take over control of the government in Canada. I don't know if they would convince themselves to intervene or not as that depends on too many other conditions. So, in conclusion, I think the list you stated would be empty is, instead, rather lengthy. I won't bother to try to fill in the list, but if you were to concede my arguements, you would see that it is indeed a long one. Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Niagara Falls (was: Ways food storage could be activated)
Cousin Bill wrote: > I do have a question about Rainbow Bridge. It would seem to me that anyone > who wanted to commit suicide couldn't find a much more beautiful place to do > it than right there. Absolutely no fence or anything to stop someone from > jumping. I guess it could also be used for murder, though I assume cameras > or something would make it almost impossible to get away with. But whose > jurisdiction would that be? I guess it would be perfect for a murder / > suicide deal. Marc, do you have any kind of statistics on how many people > jump or attempt to jump? > Whoops, I pressed Send prematurely. I wanted to answer this, too. Technically speaking, the border goes across the bridge at some point (and not necessarily the middle of the bridge). I have no idea -- I don't recall a big yellow line painted there or anything. But you're right, it would make a spectacular leap and perhaps there have been some who have jumped over, I don't know. But we tend to hear about those who go over the falls, either deliberately or accidentally, and actually -- most Canadians don't know this -- but you'd have the same jurisdiction problem at Horseshoe Falls, which people assume is on the Canadian side. And it is. Except for a very short portion that is adjacent to an island which I think is called Goat Island, because the border runs just off the shore of this island, not through the island. I have no idea who made up the maps -- probably some nitwits in Ghent (that's the treaty that ended the War of 1812) who hadn't a clue and didn't much care. So there's a tiny sliver of the Horseshoe Falls that's under U.S. jurisdiction. That's a long-winded way of saying that I have no idea how the two sides handle local jurisdictional issues like this, although I *do* know that the local police forces (the OPP on the Ontario side) and Niagara Falls city police on the NY side, along with INS and Customs and Immigration Canada, both cooperate. Thus, if an OPP boat is dragging the basin downstream of the bridge, the NY authorities won't have a cow if they search the river from side to side and vice versa. And I don't know how many suicides there are there, either. I'm assuming they only make the local press, so only a resident would know (I presume). > > Bill Lewis AKA > Cousin Bill > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Guess what! I'm published! Check out this link: > http://www.writers-and-publishers.com/ebooks > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place
Chev Bel-Aire 1956 bumpers. 'nuff said. "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 10:59 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: > >Wouldn't be very aerodynamic, would it? > > > >"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > > > > > At 00:08 10/2/2002 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: > > > > the B-70 "Valkyrie," named for the Norse War Maidens. > > > > > > We hope it doesn't DRESS like a Valkyrie! > > > > > > Till > > Depends on the shape/size of the hubcaps, we suppose . > > Till who won't go into ANY more detail, thank you > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
-Marc- > Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. -Stephen- > NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq > MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. > > NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion > MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. -Scott- > Hmm, he did agree with John that there was NO honorable nation > on earth [...] He is being very consistent here anyway. I perceived inconsistency on several different levels in his treatment of the matter. > Seriously, your problem _sounds_ like you are upset that a > citizen of another country is criticizing the US. Please tell > me I am wrong there, but I don't see why else you made this > comment. No, I don't think so. I believe my meaning is reasonably clear to those who have followed the thread from the beginning. If I were to try to explain myself again, I would simply recast the arguments I've already presented, which frankly I just don't really feel like doing, and probably wouldn't do much good anyway. So go ahead and think whatever you choose. My point still stands; if I've presented it incomprehensibly, I guess that's my problem, and if you haven't read carefully enough to understand it, I guess that's yours. In either case, it isn't really very important. President Bush hasn't asked for my input in weeks, and Canada never sent me a refund for monies spent in BC. Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] To act or to be acted upon
Marc, in amongst some other stuff, said the following: > We have free agency but limited options, which is usually how life > works. This reminded me of a topic I wanted to discuss. In the Book of Mormon I seem to recall several places where the idea of being able to act or to be acted upon is presented. It seems to me, that the idea here, is that we are given the ability to act, and our actions determine in large part how well we retain that ability or are degarded to a state of being acted upon. I get the destinct impression that one of the consequenses of sin is to move you more and more to the state of being acted upon. There is a strong resonance for me here. Partly, I think, because I have a strong beleif in teaching my children about consequences. Partly, however, it seems to strike a very strong and familiar chord with my spirit. Have any of you ever pondered this topic, or wish to discuss it now? Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Newfound is chock full of names like this, the best example of which I can't give because it would break the charter (but it's an ironic name, given that a former Playmate, Shannon Tweed, comes from this town). But some other examples I can think of are Channel-port-aux-Basques, Rose Blanche Harbour le Cou, and L'anse aux Meadows (mixing French and English like this is common) A "tickle" in Newfoundland English is a small fjiord so you get all kinds of names like Mary's Tickle and so on. Joe Batts Arm is another similar one. Then there are whimsical names that are, well, just whimsical: Hearts Content Little Hearts Ease Come by Chance Nameless Cove Witless Bay "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 18:02 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: > >But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are > >really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're > >just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa, > >Ontario, is the last place they'd think of looking. > > Go Home Bay, Ontario sounds pretty tempting > > Till > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
> After we invade and take you over, we'll have to teach you proper > English. "Bunny boots" are called "mukluks." This *will* be on the > test. No, the ones with the stuffed imitation bunny head on the _outside_, not the ones with the bunny fur (fake or not) on the inside. > "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > > > At 13:21 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: > > >And somebody better check the temperature in hell, because you know > > >what? I agree with every word John's written here (although I would > > >interpret some of the references a bit differently). And I'm > > >supposed to be the token liberal on the list. :-) > > > > I'd best be getting my bunny boots out Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 19:37:27 +, "Stephen Beecroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > -Marc- > > Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. > > NEWS: US kills enemies in Afghanistan, looks to invading Iraq > MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. > > NEWS: Canada kills enemies in Afghanistan, supports Iraq invasion > MARC: Just goes to show you how corrupt the US is. Hmm, he did agree with John that there was NO honorable nation on earth, so that implies that Canada is corrupt too. In fact, he criticized Canada for following the same policies he disagrees with the US adopting. He is being very consistent here anyway. I happen to agree with John and Marc, I think (ok, so I am not totally sure of my feelings on the issue yet, I lean HEAVILY towards their views). Is the problem that he mentioned the US and not Canada? He _did_, as I mentioned, criticize Canada too. I think the heart of the matter is that he felt pleased that the Canadien troops were effective (even more so) in the pusuit of Taliban who, despite the corruptness or lack there of of either the US or Canada, were being jutifiably and needfully fought. He also felt that the US was not justified in seeking war with Iraq and that Canada wasn't justified in backing them. I still don't see any conflict. Seriously, your problem _sounds_ like you are upset that a citizen of another country is criticizing the US. Please tell me I am wrong there, but I don't see why else you made this comment. Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm/ - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
I dunno, I kind of like the North Korean translation, Stim-kim-ah-lim-boh, which phonentically spells out an acronym meaning "fragrant asparagus stem of revenge against running dog imperialists" Stephen Beecroft wrote: > -John- > >>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy > >>>problems. > >> > >> Make your own beer > > > > Mind Your Own Business --JWR > > Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the > meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all. > > Stephen the Peacemaker (1.5 megaton warhead) > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long > >ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. > > > Till thought the wolves in Provo were the RM's prowling for mates Scott: No, Tilly, my friend, it is the BYU coeds prowling for RM's! Dan: We have a friend that is returning home from the Orem area in part because she couldn't get dates there; she was considered too young, at 18. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Mark: If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD will not work and will not be built. Dan: Actually, it would work, (has in multiple tests), but I agree that it probably will not be built. The cost is to great in a world that is beginning to rely on other means. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
John's explained it in another post. I had no idea they existed. Our military wears a mukluk-sized boot that comes to just below the knee, but if it has fur or an airpocket lining I wouldn't know. It's just a big, padded-looking affair that's white and isn't laced, but strapped. "Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 14:30 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: > >After we invade and take you over, we'll have to teach you proper English. > >"Bunny > >boots" are called "mukluks." This *will* be on the test. > > Actually, on a more serious note, correct me if my understanding is off. * > > Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for the US > military, being white, and rated to -40o F They have an air valve, should > one ever have the need to equalize pressure (as in an unpressurized > aircraft) in the insulation.** I don't remember the exact US Military > designation, probably Gary knows it, they are likely quite plentiful there > in Alabama. > > Mukluks are an arctic footwear developed by the esquimo/innuit that are > made of seal? skin with the fur on the inside. > > Till, who really would like to know > > * which it often is > > ** I always hate it when my boots explode > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > At 14:30 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: > >After we invade and take you over, we'll have to teach you proper English. > >"Bunny > >boots" are called "mukluks." This *will* be on the test. > > But Bunny Boots sounds so much cuter, big guy, Mukluks sounds so > , aboriginal. > Oh, no, Till, "mukluk" is very original. > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Bunny Boots and Mukluks
Do you need a marketeer? I think you're on to something. Tom Matkin wrote: > Cousin Bill wrote: > > Do you know of a store that will sell and ship overseas (like, say, to > > Japan)? I lost my good pair of boots to a septic tank accident and > > haven't > > been able to find any since. > > As the chair of the Alberta Chapter of VOSSSI* I feel your pain. While -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Niagara Falls (was: Ways food storage could be activated)
Glad you enjoyed the trip. It's too bad you didn't get to go behind the falls, though -- that's a fantastic experience and really allows you to literally feel the power of the falls -- the very rock around you vibrates and you can't hear yourselves talk from the thunderous noise. Cousin Bill wrote: > Wives make all the difference in the world. But I will admit, I am very > happy that I went to Canada, even though it was for only about 7 hours or > so. The remnants of Isidore didn't help, but I didn't even think about the > PMs remarks while I was there. We had a great time, except that we weren't > aware how early the Maid of the Mist and Journey Behind the Falls closed > down, so we were unable to visit those. We will definitely have to go back. > Niagara Falls are just amazingly beautiful. As we were walking, about the > only thing my wife and I could say was "Sugoi" (great). > > WARNING: A somewhat delicate subject is about to come up. It doesn't > violate the charter (at least I don't think it does) but some people may not > want to read on. > > I do have a question about Rainbow Bridge. It would seem to me that anyone > who wanted to commit suicide couldn't find a much more beautiful place to do > it than right there. Absolutely no fence or anything to stop someone from > jumping. I guess it could also be used for murder, though I assume cameras > or something would make it almost impossible to get away with. But whose > jurisdiction would that be? I guess it would be perfect for a murder / > suicide deal. Marc, do you have any kind of statistics on how many people > jump or attempt to jump? > > Bill Lewis AKA > Cousin Bill > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Guess what! I'm published! Check out this link: > http://www.writers-and-publishers.com/ebooks > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Stephen Beecroft wrote: > You are my > perception. Hey, that could be a Carly Simon song... > So far as I know, the entire world and all its people don't > even exist, except in my fevered imagination. But I think my perception > is at least reasonably justified in this case, based on exchanges like > the following from yesterday evening: > > -Marc- > > Maybe better food is why our special forces killed more > > Taliban than your special forces did in Afghanistan over > > the past six months even though your group is 4 times the > > size of ours (1300 vs 300)* ;-) > It was a yolk (pun intended). Like "better food" (and who's the judge) really makes the difference. And it's always easy to egg on [pun intended] USAmericans by impugning (at a low broil for 45 minutes, then turn over and repeat) their armed might and implying their eagles might be chickens with an attitude problem... [and this is a joke, too] > > -John- > > Yeah, its real nice to know that you Canadians are real > > killers slaughtering people half way around the word. It > > must make you feel great. > > -Marc- > > I never know whether to feel proud or ashamed. Our problem > > these days is we are gradually losing our sovereignty to > > the U.S. and are becoming prisoners of your foreign policy. > > We don't have a lot of choice -- sometimes you just have to > > play a bad hand the best you can. That's why I was so > > surprised when Jean Chrétien criticized Bush's readiness to > > go to war against Iraq and advised caution. That's rather > > un-Canadian. > > Perhaps now you understand the origin of my confusion. > The latter part's thread drift. Happens all the time. But I think I knew right from the start the origin of your confusion, so I tried to keep the moral aspect separate from just the factual side, of numbers, who said what, etc. -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Honorable Nations
I guess none of you read mine very well. He said our times were like those of Noah. No one was left who was righteous other than Noah and some of his family. That is what I was referring to, quite clearly I think. Those of you who love to tear things down will find what you desire to find. I think I will take a different road. It is far easier to destroy and tar down, than it is to search for a way to build up what little good there might be. Yes, the time will come when things will fall apart. It almost seems like some here want to hasten that time. So, go back and read John's post and my response, and try again. Jon Marc A. Schindler wrote: Jon Spencer wrote: > It is nice to know that John thinks that there are no moral people anywhere > in the world (does that include you, John?) I personally take exception to > this, because here our or little part of the vineyard, there are hundreds of > righteous men and women doing there best. > I don't think John's ever said this. IIn the post you quote, he clearly said there are no moral *nations*, and I would strongly agree. Has any part of Zion lived up to the covenant in Ether? I can't think of one, and that includes Canada. And we're supposed to be setting an example for the rest of the world. > > We are NOT like the days of (the prophet) Noah. Of course, we could simply > fold up our tents and stay home, as you apparently would have us do. We can > all just slip down to Provo and live an isolated life, ignoring the pleas > from our brothers and sisters around the world. Who has pleaded for the US to make a "regime change" in Iraq, which is Bush's declared aim? > We can all just let our > respective governments fall into total chaos and lift nary a hand to keep > things afloat so that our missionaries (who should just keep there noses out > of others business and stay home) can reach all peoples and nations and > tongues. We could let evil run rampant and do nothing. THEN, perhaps, we > would be "in a time that is like the days of Noah." > > We certainly do not have a King Benjamin, but we are a long way from King > Noah (currently anyway, unless we sit by and do nothing). > > Is that it? Or do I have it wrong? > Yes, you have it all wrong. > > Jon > > John W. Redelfs wrote: > > It is a telestial world in a time that is like the days of Noah. There > are no honorable nations upon the earth. --JWR > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the author's employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
Currently, I think you're probably correct. For now. Will that be the situation tomorrow? Are Canadians righteous and God-fearing enough to stand alone against the world, if it comes to that? Will God fight your battles for you? -- No, I'm afraid the Canadians are not more God-fearing and righteous than other peoples. Or rather, better than some, worse than others. So God definitely won't fight our battles for us. At least, I'm not at all sure that He will save Canada for the sake of 150,000 latter-day saints (who may or may not merit it) and others who might merit it. Our practical defense therefore lies in not unduly antagonizing other nations. Then we won't have to have God fight our battles because we won't have battles. Repentance is much cheaper and far more effective but it simply will not happen. At least, that's how I read the scriptures. Wouldn't it be great if I were wrong? = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Tariffs and War
At 17:49 10/3/2002 +, St Stephan wrote: >-ELF- > > Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for > > the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F > >Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. Heaven >only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees. Comfort Zone >Glad to see you back. Hope all's well with you, and especially with your >brother's family. As well as can be expected. It's tough being the only LDS at such times. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:41:02 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 11:24 10/2/2002 -0600, you wrote: > >Oh, they have wolves in Provo, too. They stand at the bottom of the long > >ramp up to southern campus and hand out anti-Mormon tracts. > > > Till thought the wolves in Provo were the RM's prowling for mates No, Tilly, my friend, it is the BYU coeds prowling for RM's! Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:36:08 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 09:04 10/2/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: > > >We don't even know who blew up the World Trade Center. > > > Till thinks it was Elvis > Scott thinks it was Alf, that weird cat-eating TV alien from some years back. I think he got upset because we wouldn't watch his tv show and did it to get back at us. Or maybe it Mork from Ork. -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
list consists of exactly no one. It used to consist of the Soviet Union, which would absolutely have loved to own Canada the way it owned eastern Europe, and would doubtless have invaded had they believed they had any chance whatsoever of success. --- That's just the point. Had the Soviet Union ever engaged in an overseas invasion? Never. Couldn't have pulled it off. Overseas invasions are tough stuff. Really, really tough. No, I mean way tougher than that. And once you've tried and failed you have to continue failing by trying and failing to hold the territory. A complete nonstarter. -- have.) In the future, it might well consist of China, a country with great resources and vast potential they are beginning to develop. --- Let's distinguish between who might like to and who actually could. China doesn't want to and China will never be able to. See my first paragraph. John alone could hold them off. Of course, now he tells us that he plans to move to Provo in a few years. Very clever, abdicating his responsibility just in time. No, wait, I said that Canada doesn't need US protection. Okay John, you are cleared to go. But swing by our place on the way down, would ya? = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Patriot Fizzles being moved into place
On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 13:34:30 -0400, "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > At 10:59 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: > >Wouldn't be very aerodynamic, would it? > > > >"Elmer L. Fairbank" wrote: > > > > > At 00:08 10/2/2002 -0400, Grampa Bill wrote: > > > > the B-70 "Valkyrie," named for the Norse War Maidens. > > > > > > We hope it doesn't DRESS like a Valkyrie! > > Depends on the shape/size of the hubcaps, we suppose . Do you mean the dual frontal radar housings? Oh, whoops, wrong Valkyrie. Never mind. Scott -- Buttered bread always lands butter side * Would YOU mistake these as down (Unless it sticks to the ceiling!) * anyone`s opinions but my own? Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scott McGee) Web: http://scott.themcgees.org/ -- http://fastmail.fm/ - Consolidate POP email and Hotmail in one place / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
At 10:06 10/3/2002 -0600, Uncle Presidente wrote: >On the other hand, and it pains me to say this because no one is more to >be admired than the venerable Till, but still, I have to say it... >Wasn't it the Till who first introduced alcohol into the discussion? >That never helps in civil discourse. One can understand JWR responding a >little bit harshly when someone wades into a discussion with beer on his >virtual breath. Anyway I'm guessing the acronym is "Masticate your own >beans". JWR's gentle way of suggesting that US foreign policy was >slightly overzealous and that nations should be left to chew on their >own problems. Of course if JWR comes back at "me" and suggests that I >"Mind my own business" I'll go the penitent route too. Of course, being virtual breath that contained the beer, there is implicit the implication that it will sustain no life. Therefore, the Till that wrote that has long since died of suffocation, and is no longer accountable for what was written. Now it remains to be seen if the Till that is scribbling this is a virtual Till or just a vacuous illusion. We just love the reasoning of men. It absolves us of all accountability. Think the concept will sell? What's the area code for Washington DC? Hollywood? . OK, I've looked virtually everywhere for that stupid phone, where could we ha Till the blue ohhh, maybe it stood for "muffle your own backside" I'm outa here. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Tariffs and War
-ELF- > Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for > the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F Won't work -- the Canadians only understand Celsius temperature. Heaven only knows what -40o Farenheit is in Canuck degrees. Glad to see you back. Hope all's well with you, and especially with your brother's family. Stephen / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
> Canada would beg for US assistance if their country was under attack by > aliens from outer space. It could happen. I don't think you are trying to be serious, but if aliens ever attacked, it would be the US asking Canada for a safe place to hide. If Canada were being attacked there'd be absolutely nothing the US could do. If, however, you are making an oblique reference to the fall of nukes, well, what good would it do to ask for US assistance? The damage would already be done. And the US couldn't stop the missiles in any case. NMD will not work and will not be built. And, as I've said, no one is interested in nuking Canada. We have the ultimate in stealth technology: a whole stealth _nation_. = Mark Gregson [EMAIL PROTECTED] = -- __ Download the FREE Opera browser at www.opera.com/download/ Free OperaMail at http://www.operamail.com/ Powered by Outblaze / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
> -John- > >>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy > >>>problems. > >> > >> Make your own beer > > > > Mind Your Own Business --JWR > > > Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the > meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all. > > Stephen the Peacemaker (1.5 megaton warhead) On the other hand, and it pains me to say this because no one is more to be admired than the venerable Till, but still, I have to say it... Wasn't it the Till who first introduced alcohol into the discussion? That never helps in civil discourse. One can understand JWR responding a little bit harshly when someone wades into a discussion with beer on his virtual breath. Anyway I'm guessing the acronym is "Masticate your own beans". JWR's gentle way of suggesting that US foreign policy was slightly overzealous and that nations should be left to chew on their own problems. Of course if JWR comes back at "me" and suggests that I "Mind my own business" I'll go the penitent route too. Tom the temperate / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
-John- >>>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy >>>problems. >> >> Make your own beer > > Mind Your Own Business --JWR Seems unnecessarily harsh. Poor Till was just trying to clarify the meaning of the acronym -- and this is a discussion list, after all. Stephen the Peacemaker (1.5 megaton warhead) / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Bunny Boots and Mukluks
Cousin Bill wrote: > Do you know of a store that will sell and ship overseas (like, say, to > Japan)? I lost my good pair of boots to a septic tank accident and > haven't > been able to find any since. As the chair of the Alberta Chapter of VOSSSI* I feel your pain. While my own life has been touched by incidents of this nature, I am at least still able to use my mukluks without fear of reprisals or disease. So many like yourself are not. It is brave for you, now, to reach out and seek a new pair of boots. Im sure you will be able to get on your life and leave this incident behind you. Perhaps you could still be helped by exposure to our famous VOSSSI 10 step recovery program which we affectionately refer to as Deep Doodoo. 1. Denial is a necessary part of the grieving process. Deny. Deny. Deny. Then get over it. 2. Excuses are helpful. After all it probably wasnt you that forgot to arrange to get the septic system pumped out in a timely way. It was? Well, werent you too busy trying to figure out why Ryan Starr didnt get bumped sooner on American Idol to pay attention to the tell tale warning signs of septic system overload. After all arent you entitled to a life? 3. Extra Sensory Perception. Dont rely on it. A simple sniff test will probably do better to avoid these problems than all the paranormal activity in the world. 4. Play First, Work Second. What the hey, you have already slipped in it havent you? So you just as well enjoy yourself now. Barn door is open already and all that stuff. Dont let one little incident spoil your joie de vivre forever. 5. Depend on your friends. If you get down in this slippery stuff deep enough, you can never get yourself out. And if friends dont show up you can always pray for a miracle. The point is that these incidents will happen and theres nothing you can do about them. 6. Oooomm. Give yourself a little wawa and incantation time every day. Let the gentle breezes play in your hair. Meditation is where its at baby. Besides you are probably experiencing a lot of solitary time anyway, most of us do after such an incident, so make the best of your Pepe Le Peu time by getting in touch with your inner self. 7. Outrage. Join a chapter of VOSSSI and express your concern about sloppy septic conditions everywhere. Advocate for better access to litigation for the common man. 8. Dump. Rid yourself of those used up things in your life that hold you back. Vent. Let it go. Give it up. One caution here, be sure to see that your septic system is back in working order before you do this in a major way. 9. Open your mind and heart to new things. As you reach the end of your road to recovery it will be time to seek out new opportunities and experiences. Be open to new challenges. You have had a septic incident. It has hurt you and perhaps scarred your psyche for life. But dont worry, there are other different equally impacting opportunities out there. Like politics, social protest, extreme sports, oral surgery, UFO verification projects, investment clubs, and Windows 98. The list is endless. You got hurt once, but you dont have to go back to that, you can get hurt in endless ways. Be open to the possibilities. Maybe you lost your boots to a septic incident, but you could easily lose your shirt in mutual funds. The sky is the limit. 10. Overcome. Thats the name of our monthly newsletter for all VOSSSI members. This month, and every month, there are a host of helpful articles to assist you in your recovery. For example, would you have been better prepared had you studied: Sewer traps, do they really work? from our August issue? Or what about Top 10 Sewer Sucking Services in the NorthWest. We frequently rank these people for your protection. So subscribe now by calling our hot line number 1 - deepdoodoo. Remember the slogan on our masthead. Dont be overcome, read Overcome, and overcome. Catchy eh? Tom *Victims of Sad Septic System Incidents / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
At 05:16 10/3/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: >Mind Your Own Business --JWR Sorry! 8>)) Till the penitent / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
At 07:36 AM 10/3/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: >>A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy problems. > >Make your own beer Mind Your Own Business --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
At 07:20 AM 10/3/02 -0400 Elmer L. Fairbank favored us with: >Actually, on a more serious note, correct me if my understanding is off. * > >Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for the US military, being >white, and rated to -40o F They have an air valve, should one ever have the need to >equalize pressure (as in an unpressurized aircraft) in the insulation.** I don't >remember the exact US Military designation, probably Gary knows it, they are likely >quite plentiful there in Alabama. > > >Mukluks are an arctic footwear developed by the esquimo/innuit that are made of seal? >skin with the fur on the inside. > > >Till, who really would like to know This is correct. Bunny boots, with the valve stem, are the warmest boots there are. Sometimes they are also called Mickey Mouse boots because they look so much like the shoes that Mickey Mouse wears. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] * For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]. (Ephesians 6:12) * "All my opinions are tentative pending further data." --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Bunny Boots and Mukluks
At some point in the past, John wrote: > Here in Alaska bunny boots and mukluks are not the same thing. During the two years we lived in Kotzebue in the arctic, we learned the difference between mukluks and bunny boots. Mukluks are made from animal furs and are the traditional dress of the Inupiat. They keep your feet warm down to many degrees below zero. Bunny boots are a rubber and plastic monstrosity created in a white man's factory, providing a perfect vapor barrier, and keep the feet warm to an even lower temperature than mukluks. People who work outside in minus 25 to minus 50 degree temperatures for any length of time need to wear bunny boots. They are funny looking, but they are the only thing that will keep the feet warm in some conditions. Do you know of a store that will sell and ship overseas (like, say, to Japan)? I lost my good pair of boots to a septic tank accident and haven't been able to find any since. Bill Lewis AKA Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guess what! I'm published! Check out this link: http://www.writers-and-publishers.com/ebooks / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Niagara Falls (was: Ways food storage could be activated)
At 18:53 10/3/2002 +0900, Cousin Bill wrote: >Wives make all the difference in the world. Boy, they sure do! Every man should have a half a dozen or so. Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Bunny Boots and Mukluks
At 00:35 10/3/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: >Huh, the things ya learn here. I had never heard of bunny boots and >assumed Till was just referring to furry boots. Quiz is Monday! Better hit the books this weekend. 8>)) Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
At 18:02 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: >But we're vastly outnumbered by caribou. I'm thinking that if the aliens are >really smart, they'll assume that caribous are the sentient species, and we're >just advanced prairie dogs. Besides, they'd be looking for Elvis, and Wawa, >Ontario, is the last place they'd think of looking. Go Home Bay, Ontario sounds pretty tempting Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
At 20:25 10/2/2002 -0800, BLT wrote: >A little MYOB would go a long way to solving America's foreign policy >problems. Make your own beer Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] Ways food storage could be activated
At 23:45 10/2/2002 +, St Stephan wrote: >No kidding? The US actually invaded Canada a My great-great-great-great grandfather invaded Canada once. Unfortunately (for him, not necessarily for history) the invasion failed and he was captured. He spent some time in the dungeons in Quebec. Here's a great account of that expedition written by one who served in that campaign, in a sister, if not the same, unit. http://www.worldpath.net/~rwhite/histarchive/quebec/fobes.htm Till / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
At 14:30 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: >After we invade and take you over, we'll have to teach you proper English. >"Bunny >boots" are called "mukluks." This *will* be on the test. Actually, on a more serious note, correct me if my understanding is off. * Bunny Boots refer to a particular arctic boot manufactured for the US military, being white, and rated to -40o F They have an air valve, should one ever have the need to equalize pressure (as in an unpressurized aircraft) in the insulation.** I don't remember the exact US Military designation, probably Gary knows it, they are likely quite plentiful there in Alabama. Mukluks are an arctic footwear developed by the esquimo/innuit that are made of seal? skin with the fur on the inside. Till, who really would like to know * which it often is ** I always hate it when my boots explode / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Tariffs and War
At 14:30 10/2/2002 -0600, M Marc wrote: >After we invade and take you over, we'll have to teach you proper English. >"Bunny >boots" are called "mukluks." This *will* be on the test. But Bunny Boots sounds so much cuter, big guy, Mukluks sounds so , aboriginal. the Tillster / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Niagara Falls (was: Ways food storage could be activated)
At some point in the past, Marc wrote: Am not sure I follow your point about moral matters. Let me put it this way, though: we pay a higher cost for the moral high ground -- look at the reaction of people like Cousin Bill to Chrétien's caution about going to war with Iraq. It's a simple fact of geopolitics that the US has substantial economic control over Canada, and that limits our "level ground" choices. It doesn't eliminate them, just makes them more expensive. Actually, to tell you the truth, I was reacting without really thinking. I have, for so long, been trained (by myself) to do just assume American foreign policy is always correct. I have become much more Libertarian in my views of late, and do not really relish the thought of going to war with Iraq. I did not vote for Bush. I will never vote for a Bush. But that's not really what I wanted to write about here. Wives make all the difference in the world. But I will admit, I am very happy that I went to Canada, even though it was for only about 7 hours or so. The remnants of Isidore didn't help, but I didn't even think about the PMs remarks while I was there. We had a great time, except that we weren't aware how early the Maid of the Mist and Journey Behind the Falls closed down, so we were unable to visit those. We will definitely have to go back. Niagara Falls are just amazingly beautiful. As we were walking, about the only thing my wife and I could say was "Sugoi" (great). WARNING: A somewhat delicate subject is about to come up. It doesn't violate the charter (at least I don't think it does) but some people may not want to read on. I do have a question about Rainbow Bridge. It would seem to me that anyone who wanted to commit suicide couldn't find a much more beautiful place to do it than right there. Absolutely no fence or anything to stop someone from jumping. I guess it could also be used for murder, though I assume cameras or something would make it almost impossible to get away with. But whose jurisdiction would that be? I guess it would be perfect for a murder / suicide deal. Marc, do you have any kind of statistics on how many people jump or attempt to jump? Bill Lewis AKA Cousin Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Guess what! I'm published! Check out this link: http://www.writers-and-publishers.com/ebooks / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
