Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
A 48 port DSLAM is about $1200. It looks like its about 1k for 6 ports on the coax. It takes a little bit to learn how to best manage to twisted pairs, but once you got it down, it's easy. Just make sure you label the pairs! Just my 2 Cents. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I would think you would have an easier time using the coax than twisted pair. But yeah, DSLAM or DOCSIS CMTS would both work. CMTS should be cheap if you go with an older level of DOCSIS. Here is one for $999.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261799840588?lpid=82chn=ps *From:* Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com
Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit
The coax ports are shared, however. On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, Sam Lambie samtaos...@gmail.com wrote: A 48 port DSLAM is about $1200. It looks like its about 1k for 6 ports on the coax. It takes a little bit to learn how to best manage to twisted pairs, but once you got it down, it's easy. Just make sure you label the pairs! Just my 2 Cents. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','ch...@wbmfg.com'); wrote: I would think you would have an easier time using the coax than twisted pair. But yeah, DSLAM or DOCSIS CMTS would both work. CMTS should be cheap if you go with an older level of DOCSIS. Here is one for $999.95 http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/261799840588?lpid=82chn=ps *From:* Sam Lambie javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','samtaos...@gmail.com'); *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 11:35 AM *To:* af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit What about a DSLAM? Is there a common phone board somewhere in the building that you could tap into? 1 Antenna or hard line to a router and the DSLAM and voila! Totally controllable service per user. I do it all the time in apt buildings. On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 2:34 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','li...@packetflux.com'); wrote: This is a bit different problem. I think the google search you are looking for is MoCA. There are a lot of options for data over coax in a distribution environment. Also don't discount something like HomePNA which is a dsl-like technology you could tap onto a phone line post-demarc. -forrest On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 1:55 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','br...@silverlakeinternet.com'); wrote: It's a massive several hundred unit apartment complex. It's privately owned and they refuse to let anyone put any kind of radio or dish on their roof. It's three levels. If be able to get a signal to a few on the top level, but none on any other level. My hope is that if I can get a hardline to the building (which the city will allow me to do) then I can tie into the existing coax and distribute that way. The problem is that I have no idea how to do that. The building owner will not let anyone (not even Comcast or century link) run any new lines that are not already there. Thank you, Brett A Mansfield On Mar 9, 2015, at 1:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); wrote: Are you sure? In addition, antennas covered by the rule may be mounted on masts to reach the height needed to receive or transmit an acceptable quality signal (e.g. maintain line-of-sight contact with the transmitter or view the satellite). Masts higher than 12 feet above the roofline may be subject to local permitting requirements for safety purposes. Further, masts that extend beyond an exclusive use area may not be covered by this rule. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af...@ics-il.net'); wrote: OTARD would only apply to their balcony, not the roof. Well, assuming by apartment he doesn't mean duplex or town home which have exclusive use areas that would cover the roof. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','j...@imaginenetworksllc.com'); *To: *af@afmug.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','af@afmug.com'); *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 2:34:03 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Coax retransmit OTARD. You win legally. But I wouldn't start a fight/war. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 3:31 PM, Brett A Mansfield br...@silverlakeinternet.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','br...@silverlakeinternet.com'); wrote: I don't know if anyone has ever had this issue before, but has anyone ever had an apartment complex where they wouldn't let you install a radio on the roof? The next option is to put it on the balcony, but then I have no LOS. I thought put one radio in a hidden spot, but they won't let me run any cables to each apartment. However, they already have coax to each apartment. Anyone know what I could buy to get my ubiquiti radio signal covered to coax to bring them the Internet? Thank you, Brett A Mansfield -- -- *Sam Lambie* Taosnet Wireless Tech. 575-758-7598 Office www.Taosnet.com http://www.newmex.com -- -- *Sam Lambie*
Re: [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences.
Seems to me Mikrotik just needs to make an RB2011UP... On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net wrote: I was thinking something like a 2011 or 750up with an SFP for feed, POE out for equipment. One fiber for data, use a Cat5 for power, 4+ POE ports at the top. *From:* Forrest Christian (List Account) li...@packetflux.com *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 5:00 AM *To:* af af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Sfp to copper gigabit media converter experiences. I'm in the process of sourcing components for a new product which will integrate a media converter with a poe injector for tower top applications. I've been taking apart sfp to copper media converters over the past few days, and so far they all seem to use the same chipset with slightly different implementation choices (more/fewer leds, various configuration options, etc) Before I just go ahead and commit myself to a design path, I'd like to get some feedback on which media converters people use and if there are any which seem to work better or worse than others. So, I'd appreciate it if those if you which use sfp media converters could help me out with a few mini reviews of which specific models work and which don't. Thanks.
Re: [AFMUG] DHCP backfeed
We NAT as well.
Static customers are WDS bridged.
- Original Message -
From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DHCP backfeed
(1) We NAT most of our SMs ( 96%)
(2) Block DHCP server in the SM
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/11/2015 7:05 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I’m curious what everyone does to prevent a customer from pulling more
than one IP address without using PPPoE, and how do you prevent their
router from backfeeding it’s DCHP server onto your network if they plug
in the cable to a LAN port instead of the WAN port?
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet
Re: [AFMUG] Strange one
:) +1 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: This wouldn't happen if the radios had SFPs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com *To: *Animal Farm af@afmug.com *Sent: *Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:43:00 AM *Subject: *[AFMUG] Strange one We had call yesterday about a link going down. I could see RF was fine and LAN cable plugged but no traffic passing. We headed out there and I had connected to Rocket M5...LAN light would come in and out. We saw all LEDs operational on radio...like stuck. We changed POE after checking cable and still no LAN link. We tried resetting to default. Nothing. replaced radios and configured it. Good link..Internet on laptop, connect it to their Cisco Linksys router...no LEDs on WAN port. checked that cable..nope its good. LAN and wireless ports are working .. They had another router already configured. Tried that and success. So according to client on Monday, thunderstorm passed through area around closing time. Apparently a strike or surge burned out WAN port of router and LAN port of Rocket but nothing else on same surge protector. Mast is grounded. Perplexed in El Paso Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Mimosa PTMP
They said Fall they would release PTMP but it would not have MUMIMO support and would be WiFi mode only. MUMIMO would be added at a later date. They said they were shooting towards the end of the year for that. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: Its like going to your neighbor and asking to borrow a shovel Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:21 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I'm guessing there probably are betas out there, but I doubt that anyone that has them can talk about it. I wish I was smart enough to talk companies into sending me cool beta stuff... On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:57 AM, Stefan Englhardt s...@genias.net wrote: After running my first B5 link I am quite sure they can do it J Ordered some more. So wondering if it is worth replacing Mikrotik 11n with 11ac now or just wait for Mimosa. They have a time frame of Summer to Fall. If it delays to winter we would install MT .ac now. Are there Mimosa PTMP Betas out there already?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
Is that on the roadmap? I thought the sync implementation on the ePMP
would not allow for 2.5 ms sync?
I thought the way they were going to address this was to allow 5 ms sync
on PMP450?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 11:57 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy?
Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available
Well, it could not work at all... no, wait... that would probably actually be better. I guess it would be worse if it burnt whatever you plugged into it to a crisp. On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Could it be worse? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:16 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: hopefully the POE passthrough is better than the UBNT passthrough On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:06 AM, John Woodfield john.woodfi...@jwcn.biz wrote: The PTP mode has been there. It allows to turn about the power to 30dbm in 5.8. I had a radio running at 30dbm and it would crap out within 12 hours - ethernet port would quit working. I dropped it to 28dbm and it works fine YMMV. The new PTP master/slave mode was supposed to cut latency - from what I saw it only cut it by about 5ms and the performance cut was dramatic. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:57am To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available If that's the case, then that's not cool. I see there's two PTP modes though. One is ePTP Master and Slave. The other is just PTP. Look like the PTP mode requires fixed distance settings at both ends? And ePTP mode does auto-ranging like Canopy BHM/BHSs perhaps? When are we going to get 2.5ms framing to sync with Canopy? I see we can now turn on the aux port PoE output and it'll power another ePMP or Canopy SM. PTP from a customer's barn to their house got easier. But that additional 20ms of latency is not so good, so hopefully PTP mode for a 1000' link works. On 3/9/2015 8:36 PM, John Woodfield wrote: This new mode of operation increases retransmits and cuts throughput in half in environments with any noise from what I've seen so far. John Woodfield, President Delmarva WiFi Inc. 410-870-WiFi -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net af...@ics-il.net Sent: Monday, March 9, 2015 3:38pm To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available - New ePTP mode of operation: The release introduces a new mode of operation for point-to-point configuration providing significantly lower latency than other modes. *Not available for DFS bands.* - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions https://twitter.com/ICSIL -- *From: *Ray Savich ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com ray.sav...@cambiumnetworks.com *To: *af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com af@afmug.com *Sent: *Monday, March 9, 2015 1:33:08 PM *Subject: *[AFMUG] ePMP Release 2.4 is Now Available ePMP Release 2.4 includes new enhancements to eFortify™ and eCommand™. Check out the details at http://bit.ly/1BYo2ja Ray Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum http://community.cambiumnetworks.com/ -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Ah. A Blaw-Knox tower:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaw-Knox_tower
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 2:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom!
*From:* Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point
at the bottom.
On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Well, unless you want to mount inside the tower...
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:24 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
What issues would there be reversing the bracket?� Reason I ask is that
we have a couple of towers built with angle iron that are also sloped.�
Turning the outer clamp parts around is a fairly common way to deal with
this (like the text drawing below), and it would still allow a round pipe
on the outside.
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bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 1:11 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Enjoy.
Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
is that a live tower (as in AM maybe)?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/10/2015 2:10 PM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Yes, towers that are pointy on the bottom!
*From:* Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:59 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Perfect for those tapered towers that are wide at the top with a point
at the bottom.
On Mar 10, 2015 3:13 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Dang, I got the tower leg sloping the wrong way! Arrgh.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2015 2:11 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Another new product for you!
Enjoy.
[AFMUG] Free Space Loss calculator
Which one 96.6 + 20logD + 20log F Where F D are GHz and Miles. or 20logD + 20log F + 32.44 -Gt -Gr = FSPL where t is tx pwr and r is receiver sensitivity. Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Strange one
This wouldn't happen if the radios had SFPs. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com To: Animal Farm af@afmug.com Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:43:00 AM Subject: [AFMUG] Strange one We had call yesterday about a link going down. I could see RF was fine and LAN cable plugged but no traffic passing. We headed out there and I had connected to Rocket M5...LAN light would come in and out. We saw all LEDs operational on radio...like stuck. We changed POE after checking cable and still no LAN link. We tried resetting to default. Nothing. replaced radios and configured it. Good link..Internet on laptop, connect it to their Cisco Linksys router...no LEDs on WAN port. checked that cable..nope its good. LAN and wireless ports are working .. They had another router already configured. Tried that and success. So according to client on Monday, thunderstorm passed through area around closing time. Apparently a strike or surge burned out WAN port of router and LAN port of Rocket but nothing else on same surge protector. Mast is grounded. Perplexed in El Paso Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest
Many relays have that printed on them. Or you can look the relay ratings up at digikey... But like Forrest said, that says nothing about the interconnected PCB traces and connectors. From: Erich Kaiser Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2015 6:36 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay - Question for Forrest Forrest can you verify actual allowed amperage and voltage range on the Site Monitor 4 Channel Relay? Thanks! Erich Kaiser North Central Tower er...@northcentraltower.com Office: 630-621-4804 Cell: 630-777-9291
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it comes to marijuana. Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to change. For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state security clearance). Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: Ok, will look for local company. Tushar *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to body temp. I had no idea until we found some on our company vehicles. I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing was available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample testing even if you don’t. I do regret firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the manual, I made the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think this through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it again, I would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...) *From:*Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com *Sent:*Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? Hi, How do one go about implementing random drug testing for installer/employee? How many people do this? Thanks, Tushar
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
Do you drink after work? It's legal, right? What if that stayed in your blood for 14+ days? If an employee wants to enjoy his time in a legal manner outside of work, he's on his own time - that's his own damn business, cuz 'Merica. I don't have to support him showing up to work drunk though, that's a liability to himself and others. This is something scientists have been working on a long time (testing for marijuana intoxication), and they haven't come up with anything yet. Not that they wont, I'm just saying it's not like they just started trying to figure out a solution to this... but it's been decades with no results. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 11:03 AM, That One Guy wrote: he will also get a dui conviction in many states. There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when visiting other countries where the laws are different. It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as it is with that. But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should always be able to mandate the staff they have. The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant) We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, they will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with the booze. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it comes to marijuana. Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to change. For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state security clearance). Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: Ok, will look for local company. Tushar *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to body temp. I had no idea until we found some on our company vehicles. I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing was available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample testing even if you don’t. I do regret firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the manual, I made the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think this through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it again, I would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...) *From:*Tushar Patel mailto:tpa...@ecpi.com *Sent:*Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM *To:*af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:*[AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? Hi, How do one go about implementing random drug testing for installer/employee? How many people do this? Thanks, Tushar -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing for me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you will get fired for using tobacco. We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health issues caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet) or other unhealthy things but you can pick on the smokers. It was not an employment issue, it was an insurance issue. Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is a personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too but I can point to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths among family and friends than I can alcoholism related deaths. Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... Not sure how much pot it takes to cause the same amount of lung cancer in a population as tobacco does. Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced with protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a drug? Alcohol certainly could be considered a drug... Why can you use alcohol and not pot or anything else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy... From: That One Guy Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? he will also get a dui conviction in many states. There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when visiting other countries where the laws are different. It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as it is with that. But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should always be able to mandate the staff they have. The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant) We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, they will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with the booze. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it comes to marijuana. Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to change. For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state security clearance). Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.comOn 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: Ok, will look for local company. Tushar From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to body temp. I had no idea until we found some on our company vehicles. I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing was available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample testing even if you don’t. I do regret firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the manual, I made the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think this through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it again, I would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...) From: Tushar Patel Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:01 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? Hi, How do one go about implementing random drug testing for installer/employee? How many people do this? Thanks, Tushar -- If you only see yourself as part
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get suspended. Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're fired. Too old? Fired. What happened to America, land of the free? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing for me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you will get fired for using tobacco. We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health issues caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet) or other unhealthy things but you can pick on the smokers. It was not an employment issue, it was an insurance issue. Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is a personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too but I can point to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths among family and friends than I can alcoholism related deaths. Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... Not sure how much pot it takes to cause the same amount of lung cancer in a population as tobacco does. Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced with protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a drug? Alcohol certainly could be considered a drug... Why can you use alcohol and not pot or anything else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy... *From:* That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? he will also get a dui conviction in many states. There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when visiting other countries where the laws are different. It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as it is with that. But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should always be able to mandate the staff they have. The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant) We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, they will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with the booze. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it comes to marijuana. Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to change. For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state security clearance). Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTSwww.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: Ok, will look for local company. Tushar *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to body temp. I had no idea until we found some on our company vehicles. I also didn’t know until just now that hair sample testing was available. Be good to tell them all you do hair sample testing even if you don’t. I do regret firing one kid that took a hit off of a joint at his birthday party. I really don’t think he was a druggie but I wrote the manual, I made the policy, and I let him go when he pissed dirty. So think this through carefully before you pull the trigger. If I had to do it again, I would make an exception for pot. (Not tobacco though...) *From:* Tushar Patel
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
there's always hair somewhere what if they shave their heads? :) - Original Message - *From:* That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:26 AM *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If your installers have mini fridges in their vehicles, keep an eye out for vials that arent lemonade. If youre going to test for a reason, dont dick around with urinalysis or blood serum. Pay the dough for hair sampling, it will cost you a shit ton and is virtually impossible to cheat. But risky candidates wont even apply if they know there are hair samples. This industry is just not the place for dope fiends, let them flip burgers and make pizzas On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:19 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net mailto:dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: You can do it in most states, if they refuse, you can let them go. Normally though yes you should have it in your handbook so they know it’s a requirement for employment. Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net mailto:den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 tel:314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Tushar Patel *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:01 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? Hi, How do one go about implementing random drug testing for installer/employee? How many people do this? Thanks, Tushar -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] DHCP backfeed
We run PPPoE and use PPPoE only filters and filter out Bootp server in all
CPE gear. To detect rogue clients spewing DHCP around, we uplink a Mikrotik
router to an untagged DHCP port in our switch and run the DHCP-Server Alert
feature. This way we get an alert when someone plugs their router in
backwards. Helps us be more proactive.
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 9:57 AM, Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
wrote:
We NAT as well.
Static customers are WDS bridged.
- Original Message - From: Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DHCP backfeed
(1) We NAT most of our SMs ( 96%)
(2) Block DHCP server in the SM
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/11/2015 7:05 AM, Brett A Mansfield wrote:
I’m curious what everyone does to prevent a customer from pulling more
than one IP address without using PPPoE, and how do you prevent their
router from backfeeding it’s DCHP server onto your network if they plug in
the cable to a LAN port instead of the WAN port?
Thank you,
Brett A Mansfield
Silver Lake Internet
Re: [AFMUG] A note on ePMP 2.4 PTP mode
Just a quick note on the enhanced PTP mode of operation - You will see lower latency in most deployments as compared to the TDD Flex mode of operation. However, in high interference coupled with long distance environments the flexible mode will do better in terms of tput. At this time, this is per design but we will be addressing and incorporating some of the good stuff from our TDD/Flex mode of operation into the enhanced PTP to bring back the tput in the above conditions. Please note that we are also working on a 2.5ms frame to reduce latency in the PMP mode of operation. Thanks Sakid Looking at ePMP in 5ghz for PTP. Is there a way to do it WITH GPS sync to allow frequency reuse for PTP yet? Running out of 5ghz spectrum.
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
Get rid of the mess the government got us all into. Getting health insurance from an employer is stupid. Do you want to get your car insurance from your employer? Nope, sorry you can’t have that (insert favorite sports/muscle/exotic) car as our rates will go up too much. Yes, we know you are a responsible adult, but……… Oh,you have a kid turning 16? Ooooh, ya, sorry we just can’t afford that. Get the employers and governments out of the health care industry and let the free market work. On Mar 11, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Ryan Ray ryan...@gmail.com wrote: So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get suspended. Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're fired. Too old? Fired. What happened to America, land of the free? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing for me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you will get fired for using tobacco. We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health issues caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet) or other unhealthy things but you can pick on the smokers. It was not an employment issue, it was an insurance issue. Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is a personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too but I can point to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths among family and friends than I can alcoholism related deaths. Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... Not sure how much pot it takes to cause the same amount of lung cancer in a population as tobacco does. Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced with protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a drug? Alcohol certainly could be considered a drug... Why can you use alcohol and not pot or anything else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy... From: That One Guy Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? he will also get a dui conviction in many states. There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when visiting other countries where the laws are different. It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as it is with that. But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should always be able to mandate the staff they have. The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant) We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, they will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with the booze. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com wrote: This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it comes to marijuana. Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to change. For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state security clearance). Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: Ok, will look for local company. Tushar From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own little heater packet to get it up to body temp. I had no idea until we
Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ?
I guess you are free to not work for them :P -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 11:45 AM, Ryan Ray wrote: So where do you draw the line? Eat a cheeseburger for lunch, get suspended. Go skydiving, well you're risking our insurance you're fired. Too old? Fired. What happened to America, land of the free? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: The tobacco issue is not a-personal-off-hours recreational thing for me. If you want health insurance, no tobacco. Not saying you will get fired for using tobacco. We were self insured. We did not want to have to pay for health issues caused by smoking tobacco. Cannot legally mandate BMI (yet) or other unhealthy things but you can pick on the smokers. It was not an employment issue, it was an insurance issue. Drug use is an employment issue. But recreational alcohol use is a personal rights thing as far as I am concerned. Tobacco is too but I can point to many more smoking caused lung cancer deaths among family and friends than I can alcoholism related deaths. Pot is somewhere in between. Pot smokers probably don’t suck down 5 packs equivalent a day... Not sure how much pot it takes to cause the same amount of lung cancer in a population as tobacco does. Kinda a mess trying to keep from regulating peoples lives balanced with protecting the business and your pocketbook. What is a drug? Alcohol certainly could be considered a drug... Why can you use alcohol and not pot or anything else. Dang, I should have taken that minor in philosophy... *From:* That One Guy mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 1:03 PM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? he will also get a dui conviction in many states. There are people who have been terminated for failing drug screens when visiting other countries where the laws are different. It will be a simple matter in locales where its still illegal, just as it is with that. But like chucks no nicotine policy, which is great, the employer should always be able to mandate the staff they have. The whole pot battle is a joke, framing it as medicine, there are very few proven conditions where it is any more beneficial than controlled substances already available on the market. Call it what it is, seeking the end of prohibition of a recreational drug. (rant) We have the top scientists and researchers at our disposal. As it progresses to a more likely state in the near future of pure legalization, they will find a method for testing for intoxication similar to BAC with the booze. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Josh Reynolds j...@spitwspots.com mailto:j...@spitwspots.com wrote: This is going to get interest over the next couple of years when it comes to marijuana. Many places are looking to legalize for recreational use. The problem is testing and liability. Lots of systems will have to change. For instance, there is currently no good known method to tell if someone is under the influence of marijuana other than a field sobriety test, and even those can be argued in court (if my understanding of this is correct, I just talked to a local detective yesterday while getting fingerprinted for a state security clearance). Billy Bob comes into work in Anchorage, AK or Denver, CO. Goes through his day, everything is fine. He sits in is van at a stop light waiting for the light to turn green, and BAM... rear end collision from some a-hole behind him. Many company policies will force him to go get drug tested. He fails the test for marijuana, yet it is legal in the state and there was no way to tell if he was under the influence at the time of the incident. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com http://www.spitwspots.com On 03/11/2015 09:47 AM, Tushar Patel wrote: Ok, will look for local company. Tushar *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown *Sent:* Wednesday, March 11, 2015 11:37 AM *To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Random drug Testing for employee/Installer ? If you are asking about the mechanics of having the testing done, you hire a local company that specializes in the whole thing. They choose who needs to come in and they do the tests. All you have to do is to tell the employee when and were to report. And yeah, there is clean pee out on the market that even comes with its own little heater packet to
Re: [AFMUG] Breaking News - new photos of the Harrison Ford plane crash
Lol Jaime Solorza On Mar 12, 2015 7:18 AM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com wrote: Love it. *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID* On Mar 12, 2015 12:51 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: [image: 'This just in...'] https://www.facebook.com/WIN985/photos/a.10151480002901583.1073741828.58032071582/10152625826566583/?type=1 *Rory Conaway **• Triad Wireless •** CEO* *m 602-757-2741 602-757-2741 •Skype roryconaway • www.triadwireless.net http://www.triadwireless.net/* *4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040* *r...@triadwireless.net r...@triadwireless.net* *It is better to walk alone, than with a crowd going the wrong direction.* This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] HBO Now
I don't think the thing about only being able to subscribe through Apple devices is true... it says on the HBO now website that you can subscribe through itunes. How do I get HBO NOW℠ and access content? You can subscribe to HBO NOW℠ using your iTunes account. Customers can access HBO NOW℠ by going to HBONOW.com, through AppleTV® or by downloading the HBO NOW℠ app in the Apple App Store®. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:37 AM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Assuming this is correct data, they say that you need to have an Apple device to create the account but can watch on a PC currently. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/09/hbo-now-strings/ As it stands today, even though viewing is supported on PC or Mac via a web browser pointed at HBONOW.com, the only way to actually set up an account will be through Apple's HBO Now app. HBO tells Engadget that Apple has a three-month exclusive as a digital provider of HBO Now, so it will be at least that long until someone like Google, Amazon http://www.amazon.com/ or even HBO itself could sell access. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] HBO Now I haven't received many requests for ESPN3, but along the same lines, what do we tell customers who ask for HBO Now once it is out? Other than tell them to buy an Apple TV box? Apparently they will not sell subscriptions directly to end customers. Will there be ways for people to buy an individual subscription through any of the common streaming platforms like Roku, Xbox, Wii, and smart TVs? I think most of those expect you to bring your own subscriptions, don't they? I'm not sure about Xbox. -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c0e6071ac-1828d20c-dc9a-44e0-abc5-0b34b8f4b0ac-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3129882731domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3129882731domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list *You received this message because the domain amazonses.com http://amazonses.com is on your allow list.*
[AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] Breaking News - new photos of the Harrison Ford plane crash
Love it. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID On Mar 12, 2015 12:51 AM, Rory Conaway r...@triadwireless.net wrote: ['This just in...']https://www.facebook.com/WIN985/photos/a.10151480002901583.1073741828.58032071582/10152625826566583/?type=1 Rory Conaway • Triad Wireless • CEO m 602-757-2741 •Skype roryconaway • www.triadwireless.nethttp://www.triadwireless.net/ 4226 S. 37th Street • Phoenix • AZ 85040 r...@triadwireless.netmailto:r...@triadwireless.net It is better to walk alone, than with a crowd going the wrong direction. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses.
Re: [AFMUG] HBO Now
Assuming this is correct data, they say that you need to have an Apple device to create the account but can watch on a PC currently. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/09/hbo-now-strings/ As it stands today, even though viewing is supported on PC or Mac via a web browser pointed at HBONOW.com, the only way to actually set up an account will be through Apple's HBO Now app. HBO tells Engadget that Apple has a three-month exclusive as a digital provider of HBO Now, so it will be at least that long until someone like Google, Amazonhttp://www.amazon.com/ or even HBO itself could sell access. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:26 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] HBO Now I haven't received many requests for ESPN3, but along the same lines, what do we tell customers who ask for HBO Now once it is out? Other than tell them to buy an Apple TV box? Apparently they will not sell subscriptions directly to end customers. Will there be ways for people to buy an individual subscription through any of the common streaming platforms like Roku, Xbox, Wii, and smart TVs? I think most of those expect you to bring your own subscriptions, don't they? I'm not sure about Xbox. Total Control Panel Loginhttps://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.nethttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c0e6071ac-1828d20c-dc9a-44e0-abc5-0b34b8f4b0ac-000...@amazonses.comhttps://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3129882731domain=litewire.net Removehttps://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3129882731domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list You received this message because the domain amazonses.com is on your allow list.
Re: [AFMUG] HBO Now
They say that it will be available on desktop/laptop computers, but it looks like you will have to sign up through itunes. As far as it being available on anything else, it looks like Apple has a three month exclusive, so I'm assuming that it's going to start showing up on everything else after that. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:25 AM, Ken Hohhof af...@kwisp.com wrote: I haven't received many requests for ESPN3, but along the same lines, what do we tell customers who ask for HBO Now once it is out? Other than tell them to buy an Apple TV box? Apparently they will not sell subscriptions directly to end customers. Will there be ways for people to buy an individual subscription through any of the common streaming platforms like Roku, Xbox, Wii, and smart TVs? I think most of those expect you to bring your own subscriptions, don't they? I'm not sure about Xbox.
[AFMUG] HBO Now
I haven't received many requests for ESPN3, but along the same lines, what do we tell customers who ask for HBO Now once it is out? Other than tell them to buy an Apple TV box? Apparently they will not sell subscriptions directly to end customers. Will there be ways for people to buy an individual subscription through any of the common streaming platforms like Roku, Xbox, Wii, and smart TVs? I think most of those expect you to bring your own subscriptions, don't they? I'm not sure about Xbox.
Re: [AFMUG] A note on ePMP 2.4 PTP mode
We plan to enable GPS Sync for a single “SM” connected (i.e. a PTP link) in a software update coming in the near future. It will be a software update to any Force 110 PTP radios that have been purchased. From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 7:51 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A note on ePMP 2.4 PTP mode The only reason to use it right now is because of the GigE interface and 802.3af power ability. So come on Cambium, don't make me buy AirFiber 5X's. On 3/11/2015 7:19 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: Yes! If the force110 PTP will get a PTP-only sync ability at some point, I'm going to start using them everywhere even if I don't actually sync. as they are now, I'm not sure it's worth spending the extra money over just using a standard force110. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:58 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.commailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Yeah, if I'm going to buy the 110PTP radio, which we know is the Sync radio with it disabled!, then let me do PTP-only WITH sync. I can understand they don't want us buying the PTP radio at half the price and someone figuring out how to hack it into an AP. For PTP links, I would spend the extra $ for the PTP radio whether I need the sync or not, may need it in the future, so why not put it up now. And I'm talking both ends, you never know if you have to swap masters for timing. On 3/11/2015 5:13 PM, Mathew Howard wrote: I know... I was told they were looking into doing just that. On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:30 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's software limited to not do sync. I'd like to see it limited to being only a PTP, just allow the sync. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:17 PM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.commailto:mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: There was some talk of enabling GPS sync on the eForce PTP110, is that something that is going to happen? with the 2.5ms frame, we should get latency closer to what flexible mode does, correct? On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:55 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: But the force110ptp can't sync so it should always do ePTP? PTP being possibly better if you have a large scale of synced backhauls I suppose. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 4:52 PM, Dan Sullivan daniel.sulli...@cambiumnetworks.commailto:daniel.sulli...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Hi Matt, ePTP does not support GPS sync as there is no fixed frame. PTP mode is TDD based and does support GPS Sync. The 2.5 msec frame also will support GPS Sync. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager -Original Message- From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.commailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 3:17 PM To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] A note on ePMP 2.4 PTP mode Just a quick note on the enhanced PTP mode of operation - You will see lower latency in most deployments as compared to the TDD Flex mode of operation. However, in high interference coupled with long distance environments the flexible mode will do better in terms of tput. At this time, this is per design but we will be addressing and incorporating some of the good stuff from our TDD/Flex mode of operation into the enhanced PTP to bring back the tput in the above conditions. Please note that we are also working on a 2.5ms frame to reduce latency in the PMP mode of operation. Thanks Sakid Looking at ePMP in 5ghz for PTP. Is there a way to do it WITH GPS sync to allow frequency reuse for PTP yet? Running out of 5ghz spectrum.
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning
non-sync uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say
that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not
to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
What about if you hit it with some galvanized spray coating? Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 8:42 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket If I was a tower owner and seen someone put that Unistrut crap on my tower I would kick them off. That stuff is only ZINC plated and will eventually rust. I was on a tower once that had some of that stuff on top and some hilljack welded it together. Ended up having to use a saw-zaw to get it off. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.comhttp://www.wavelinc.com/ tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.commailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say
that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not
to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could
be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as
the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction
we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need
for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Mimosa did it. Obviously they felt it was worth doing. I can't imagine
why we wouldn't want to use the spectrum and get every last bit of bps.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 10:36 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say
that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not
to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes
down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber
with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would
be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big
deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync
uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that
we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply
say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
blockquote
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down,
more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO,
50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a
link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps
a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or
reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5%
additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me
unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done
if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing
would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make
this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty
cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
blockquote
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I agree. -- Josh Reynolds CIO, SPITwSPOTS www.spitwspots.com On 03/12/2015 07:11 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Mimosa did it. Obviously they felt it was worth doing. I can't imagine why we wouldn't want to use the spectrum and get every last bit of bps. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:36 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 tel:419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 tel:419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com mailto:geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this? Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Will there be? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com mailto:ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or slave to master). Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com mailto:li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I'm talking half duplex, sorry. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out
of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync
uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that
we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply
say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
blockquote
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down,
more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO,
50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a
link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps
a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or
reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5%
additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me
unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done
if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing
would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make
this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty
cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
blockquote
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
/blockquote
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
If I was a tower owner and seen someone put that Unistrut crap on my tower I would kick them off. That stuff is only ZINC plated and will eventually rust. I was on a tower once that had some of that stuff on top and some hilljack welded it together. Ended up having to use a saw-zaw to get it off. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive
mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running
wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds
anyway?
Sync isn't for every application...
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get
out of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning
non-sync uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will
say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand,
not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link
goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular
airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it
is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than
the upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it
would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a
big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Once you've got two links, you have more efficiency than dynamic.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
- Original Message -
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:31:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If only every product synced together...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out
of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
blockquote
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync
uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that
we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply
say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be
a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
blockquote
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down,
more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO,
50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a
link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down,
traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps
a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or
reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with
two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
blockquote
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5%
additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me
unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done
if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing
would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make
this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
blockquote
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
blockquote
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
blockquote
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
blockquote
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive duty
cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If only every product synced together...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get
out of a dynamic mode.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
3/4 want it, it looks like!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote:
FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning
non-sync uses.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will
say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand,
not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is
always the same :)
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product
would be a PTP650 killer.
Sent from my iPhone
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting)
geo...@cbcast.com wrote:
Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link
goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses
completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't
want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there
are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet
another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger
permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come
back up.
And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular
airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it
is.
On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than
the upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it
would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a
big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a
realistic possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It
could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced
together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in
one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is
there a need for this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to
slave or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking
adaptive duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support
adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
You can't 'stack' channels on top of each other with non-sync products (run the spectrum analysis). When you add sync, you can stack and overlap. If your going to venture into AirFiber, your already past the 'small potatoes' category IMO and you probably need to upgrade a good 2-3 links... Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2015, at 11:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this? Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Will there be? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or slave to master). Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I'm talking half duplex, sorry. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
It really depends on the situation... there are certainly going to be cases where an adaptive mode makes sense, but I really expect that we're going to want to be using sync on these more often than not. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think it is more spectrally effiecient to run these radios in adaptive mode and use a smaller channel width than running them in 50/50 and running wider channels! Who the heck has backhauls running at symmetrical speeds anyway? Sync isn't for every application... Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:27 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: Using sync promotes a far higher spectral efficiency than you'll ever get out of a dynamic mode. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:26:42 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question 3/4 want it, it looks like! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Mike Hammett af...@ics-il.net wrote: FWIW, I don't consider it important at all. Should not be condoning non-sync uses. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- *From: *Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:36:08 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question Well...we have a lot on our plate right now, but, life is long. I will say that we generally add features when we perceive a broad market demand, not to simply say me too. As they say, if you are following, the view is always the same :) Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 7:03 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: Cambium PTP650 can run in dynamic mode. And I was hoping this product would be a PTP650 killer. Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Mar 12, 2015, at 7:39 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well if it's dynamic it can go the other way! Following the demand. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 7:32 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) geo...@cbcast.com wrote: Josh, I think you're missing something. If you do rings and a link goes down, more traffic starts going the other direction, or reverses completely. So IMO, 50/50 is fine because it's not full duplex and I don't want to have to flip a link from 75/25 to 25/75 (or whatever options there are). A link goes down, traffic changes and I do not want to take down yet another link to fix perhaps a temporary issue. OR cause a much larger permanent issue, e.g. config apply or reboot makes the radio(s) not come back up. And AFAIK, the AF5X isn't capable of FDD. It's not your regular airFiber with two radios, or separate Tx and Rx antennas, or whatever it is. On 3/12/2015 4:17 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the upstream needed to sustain downstream. Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be 5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic possibility. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for this? Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Will there be? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: Hi, No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or slave to master). Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote: I'm talking half duplex, sorry. Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote: If you're running
Re: [AFMUG] Vivint revisited
We talked to someone who is dealing with Vivint and in their area, they raised their prices to $60 per month. Rory From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 5:10 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vivint revisited 50mb for 50 a month 24 Jaime Solorza On Mar 12, 2015 4:58 PM, Jason McKemie j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.commailto:j.mcke...@veloxinetbroadband.com wrote: Price? :) On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Pic of the Gear? Gino A. Villarini @gvillarini On Mar 12, 2015, at 4:58 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.commailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: My sons trial service has been a trial. Keeps losing link. Tech guys replaced unit on roof and Asus Router inside twice in one week. They are telling him Hub House llnk is having issues. Light rain is all we have had so far. Grandkids are using my link for online games. Doesn't buffer or drop Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
Hi Nate, Building on what Josh suggested, you can go to Monitor-Wireless on the AP that the SM is already associated and select “disconnect” for that SM. This will cause the SM to search for a new AP. Assuming that the AP you desire for the SM is available and is the preferred AP or has the best RSSI if not a preferred AP, then it should reconnect to your desired AP. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:02 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan Different SSIDs. Could also just reboot the SM. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:59 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.commailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
Was this something added in 2.3.4? This SM is still on 2.3.3, and I only have a 'Set as Preferred AP' Button on Monitor-Wireless Nate On 3/12/2015 10:39 AM, Dan Sullivan wrote: Hi Nate, Building on what Josh suggested, you can go to Monitor-Wireless on the AP that the SM is already associated and select “disconnect” for that SM. This will cause the SM to search for a new AP. Assuming that the AP you desire for the SM is available and is the preferred AP or has the best RSSI if not a preferred AP, then it should reconnect to your desired AP. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan Different SSIDs. Could also just reboot the SM. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:59 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
If you have the preferred AP set and it loses connection for whatever reason, will it automatically switch back to that once it's available again, or will it just stay on whatever it switches to until it's forced to reconnect? On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Dan Sullivan daniel.sulli...@cambiumnetworks.com wrote: Hi Nate, Building on what Josh suggested, you can go to Monitor-Wireless on the AP that the SM is already associated and select “disconnect” for that SM. This will cause the SM to search for a new AP. Assuming that the AP you desire for the SM is available and is the preferred AP or has the best RSSI if not a preferred AP, then it should reconnect to your desired AP. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan Different SSIDs. Could also just reboot the SM. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:59 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
I am offended that Netflix, Verizon, Comcast, and ATT all get
mentioned, but there is no mention of me. They burned 400 pages worth
of electrons, and they can't acknowledge the existence of smaller providers?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 8:59 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Procera is gonna hate this I think. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Only exempt from parts of it. Steve Coran has posted several highlights and brief explanations on the WISPA members list. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:18:27 AM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Page 9, Paragraph 24: systems with fewer than 100,000 subscribers are temporarily exempt from this thing. December 15 2015 temporary might become permanent. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Procera is gonna hate this I think. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Page 9, Paragraph 24: systems with fewer than 100,000 subscribers are temporarily exempt from this thing. December 15 2015 temporary might become permanent. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:12 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Procera is gonna hate this I think. From: Chuck McCown Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM To: af@afmug.com Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Temporarily is a good word.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:18 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Page 9, Paragraph 24: systems with fewer than 100,000 subscribers are
temporarily exempt from this thing.
December 15 2015 temporary might become permanent.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:12 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not so sure about that Jon. Pushing it down to merely SD is not blocking or
otherwise rendering the traffic unusable. SD is perfectly usable, though
consumer might not find it desirable. I think a wireless provider can make an
effective case for forcing streaming to SD under the management clauses of
this order, because it is an action taken to preserve the ability of all
subscribers to have useable connections.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D05CC0.9A7C54A0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable expectations
of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that promises access to all
of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship designed to avoid the
no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an application effectively, but not
technically, unusable. It prohibits the degrading of Internet traffic based on
source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime since
I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be considered
reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the cost
should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
From: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
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Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
On the AP... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 11:52 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: Was this something added in 2.3.4? This SM is still on 2.3.3, and I only have a 'Set as Preferred AP' Button on Monitor-Wireless Nate On 3/12/2015 10:39 AM, Dan Sullivan wrote: Hi Nate, Building on what Josh suggested, you can go to Monitor-Wireless on the AP that the SM is already associated and select “disconnect” for that SM. This will cause the SM to search for a new AP. Assuming that the AP you desire for the SM is available and is the preferred AP or has the best RSSI if not a preferred AP, then it should reconnect to your desired AP. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan Different SSIDs. Could also just reboot the SM. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:59 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable
expectations of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that
promises access to all of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship
designed to avoid the no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an
application effectively, but not technically, unusable. It prohibits the
degrading of Internet traffic based on source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime
since I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be
considered reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the
cost should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
*From:* Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
Different SSIDs. Could also just reboot the SM. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:59 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the
cost should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do
bandwidth management to accommodate what is actually possible on a
case-by-case basis.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
*From:* Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan
Sorry, missed that this was a button on the AP side, not the Sm. On 3/12/2015 10:39 AM, Dan Sullivan wrote: Hi Nate, Building on what Josh suggested, you can go to Monitor-Wireless on the AP that the SM is already associated and select “disconnect” for that SM. This will cause the SM to search for a new AP. Assuming that the AP you desire for the SM is available and is the preferred AP or has the best RSSI if not a preferred AP, then it should reconnect to your desired AP. Dan Sullivan ePMP Software Manager *From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 10:02 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] EPMP AP Scan Different SSIDs. Could also just reboot the SM. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 10:59 AM, Nate Burke n...@blastcomm.com mailto:n...@blastcomm.com wrote: I have an EPMP AP cluster and a customer radio for some reason jumped to a different AP. Is there a way to get it to rescan ala FSK/450 AP Eval rescan? Or is the best way to get it back on the AP with the best signal is to reboot it?
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim
Re: [AFMUG] HBO Now
If it works on a PC then they will likely be able to use PlayOn to stream to any set top box. However, that is beyond the scope of the support that we offer to our customers. I'd tell them No. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Mathew Howard mhoward...@gmail.com wrote: I don't think the thing about only being able to subscribe through Apple devices is true... it says on the HBO now website that you can subscribe through itunes. How do I get HBO NOW℠ and access content? You can subscribe to HBO NOW℠ using your iTunes account. Customers can access HBO NOW℠ by going to HBONOW.com, through AppleTV® or by downloading the HBO NOW℠ app in the Apple App Store®. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 9:37 AM, James Howard ja...@litewire.net wrote: Assuming this is correct data, they say that you need to have an Apple device to create the account but can watch on a PC currently. http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/09/hbo-now-strings/ As it stands today, even though viewing is supported on PC or Mac via a web browser pointed at HBONOW.com, the only way to actually set up an account will be through Apple's HBO Now app. HBO tells Engadget that Apple has a three-month exclusive as a digital provider of HBO Now, so it will be at least that long until someone like Google, Amazon http://www.amazon.com/ or even HBO itself could sell access. *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:26 AM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* [AFMUG] HBO Now I haven't received many requests for ESPN3, but along the same lines, what do we tell customers who ask for HBO Now once it is out? Other than tell them to buy an Apple TV box? Apparently they will not sell subscriptions directly to end customers. Will there be ways for people to buy an individual subscription through any of the common streaming platforms like Roku, Xbox, Wii, and smart TVs? I think most of those expect you to bring your own subscriptions, don't they? I'm not sure about Xbox. -- *Total Control Panel* Login https://asp.reflexion.net/login?domain=litewire.net To: ja...@litewire.net https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=242260993domain=litewire.net From: 014c0e6071ac-1828d20c-dc9a-44e0-abc5-0b34b8f4b0ac-000...@amazonses.com https://asp.reflexion.net/address-properties?aID=3129882731domain=litewire.net Remove https://asp.reflexion.net/FooterAction?ver=2un-wl-sender-domain=1rID=242260993aID=3129882731domain=litewire.net amazonses.com from my allow list *You received this message because the domain amazonses.com http://amazonses.com is on your allow list.*
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
If a practice is primarily motivated by such an other justification, such as a
practice that permits different levels of network access for similarly situated
users based solely on the particular plan to which the user has subscribed,558
then that practice will not be considered under this exception.
I'm sure that I am not reading everything in this document correctly but that
section in bold seems to indicate that it would be allowed to limit something
such as streaming video to SD BUT it would have to be on all offered plans and
would need to be all streaming video, not just Youtube.
The first thing I thought when I read that section was that customers (if they
see this part or hear about it) are going to expect all plans to be the same
speed. Of course, what the customer expects and what is reality are often not
the same thing.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not so sure about that Jon. Pushing it down to merely SD is not blocking or
otherwise rendering the traffic unusable. SD is perfectly usable, though
consumer might not find it desirable. I think a wireless provider can make an
effective case for forcing streaming to SD under the management clauses of
this order, because it is an action taken to preserve the ability of all
subscribers to have useable connections.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable expectations
of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that promises access to all
of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship designed to avoid the
no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an application effectively, but not
technically, unusable. It prohibits the degrading of Internet traffic based on
source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime since
I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be considered
reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the cost
should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
From: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
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Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
One thing is certain. This is a jobs program for lawyers. It'll be a career
year for my lawyer friends in this business.
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M 727.501.3735
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From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of James Howard
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:47 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
If a practice is primarily motivated by such an other justification, such as a
practice that permits different levels of network access for similarly situated
users based solely on the particular plan to which the user has subscribed,558
then that practice will not be considered under this exception.
I'm sure that I am not reading everything in this document correctly but that
section in bold seems to indicate that it would be allowed to limit something
such as streaming video to SD BUT it would have to be on all offered plans and
would need to be all streaming video, not just Youtube.
The first thing I thought when I read that section was that customers (if they
see this part or hear about it) are going to expect all plans to be the same
speed. Of course, what the customer expects and what is reality are often not
the same thing.
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:35 AM
To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not so sure about that Jon. Pushing it down to merely SD is not blocking or
otherwise rendering the traffic unusable. SD is perfectly usable, though
consumer might not find it desirable. I think a wireless provider can make an
effective case for forcing streaming to SD under the management clauses of
this order, because it is an action taken to preserve the ability of all
subscribers to have useable connections.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D05CC5.1C0AFFE0]http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable expectations
of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that promises access to all
of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship designed to avoid the
no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an application effectively, but not
technically, unusable. It prohibits the degrading of Internet traffic based on
source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime since
I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be considered
reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince
part15...@gmail.commailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the cost
should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
From: Chuck McCownmailto:ch...@wbmfg.com
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To: af@afmug.commailto:af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
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Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
Josh May I ask what is “MTOWP”? Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an angle On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works well, don't bother with strut =P Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] T-Mobile WiFi calling: Works with Canopy NAT?
One of our subscribers on a 900SM recently got T-Mobil WiFi calling.
Unless there is something I'm missing, it appears that it will not work
through Canopy NAT (SM and AP are on 13.1.3).
We had their router (a special ASUS router no less) on the DMZ. It
would make the UDP connection to T-Mobil through their port 4500, but
would not go any further. When we turned off NAT in the SM, it started
working.
Any other tricks?
--
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part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile WiFi calling: Works with Canopy NAT?
Same as ATT. And I think it was fixed it 13.2 (NAT fragmentation or something), which obviously doesn't help FSK. On 3/12/2015 1:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote: One of our subscribers on a 900SM recently got T-Mobil WiFi calling. Unless there is something I'm missing, it appears that it will not work through Canopy NAT (SM and AP are on 13.1.3). We had their router (a special ASUS router no less) on the DMZ. It would make the UDP connection to T-Mobil through their port 4500, but would not go any further. When we turned off NAT in the SM, it started working. Any other tricks?
Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
Admittedly I need a cup of coffee this afternoon, but I read that as, We
charge $90 per hour 1 hour per minute.
lol
- Original Message -
From: David
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
We used to do that before we got over 200 customers but now its a must to
have that line of understanding that its not our problem but your problem issue
while under the same breath have a tool in the toolbox with a solution to fix
their said problem.
We charge $90/hr 1hr min
On 03/10/2015 12:24 PM, That One Guy wrote:
I would like to see call volume to customer count ratios between those who
do and dont charge for service calls. We dont charge, which I think is dumb
since we dont enforce the whole dont roll a truck if its not a verified
problem. We have driven 40 miles to plug a power supply in, 40 miles to get to
a customers house to find out all but one of their devices is in fact working
and the one thats not had its wireless turned off, one customer was so sure we
needed to come realign his reflector that he went out and cranked it facing the
other direction (come on man, at least loosen the nut, otherwise we see the
stripped fresh paint flakes). I dont mind going out to resolve an issue with
our gear for free, I just hate getting told theres no funds for proper
infrastructure grounding when we are wasting two man truck rolls for things
that we can verify in house or recover the cost on.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a 1-hour minimum charge for this sort of thing.� We charge
$120/hour.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 2:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
�
most of our customers don't have $100 to blow ?
we think $80 for such cases tho...
�
- Original Message -
From: Glen Waldrop
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I like your way of thinking.
�
- Original Message -
From: Jerry Richardson
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
$100 service call
�
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Glen Waldrop
Sent: Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
�
Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a look at it?
Me: Sure, no problem.
*customer's�husband�immediately goes outside and takes the unit
off the pole*
Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception.
�
Customer: He said it needs a new end because this one broke.
�
Wonder how it broke...
grrr...
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part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
[AFMUG] Vivint revisited
My sons trial service has been a trial. Keeps losing link. Tech guys replaced unit on roof and Asus Router inside twice in one week. They are telling him Hub House llnk is having issues. Light rain is all we have had so far. Grandkids are using my link for online games. Doesn't buffer or drop Jaime Solorza
Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt DFS approval
It's pretty short... NanoBridge M5, Rocket M5, Rocket M5Ti, NanoStation M5 and Loco M5 are all DFS approved. None of the NanoBeam, PowerBeam or any AC radios have DFS. On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:25 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Is there any comprehensive list of DFS certified radios? I'm sure the list would be short if it existed? Are any of the AC radios dfs approved? NanoBeam? Power Beam? R5AC?
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
Nice
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 2:16 PM, Jeremy jeremysmi...@gmail.com wrote:
Deep Slotted strut + two 1 1/2 ten foot conduit sections with clamps =
about $30 and gives you twenty foot of sector mounting space. The MTOW
product line is amazing, but there is something to be said for a solid
solution on the cheap.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com
wrote:
Slotted uni strut works well for this but why re invent the wheel? WB mfg
has affordable mounting options. ..
Jaime Solorza
On Mar 12, 2015 12:56 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
And not just plated, but dipped. Makes a big difference.
Unistrut is usually just plated. If it's a quality plating job, it
might be OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here and
there, and they look fine even after years. But I occasionally see a hunk
of unistrut that didn't have enough plating, and they will show their age.
HDG hangs in for the long haul.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works, works
well, don't bother with strut =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand
off bracket
It's galvanized...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com
wrote:
It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water
and rust
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
MTOWP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket
before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to
mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower
stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on
something like this.
Thanks Tim
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your
team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] 18 GHz update
Jaime, Did you check the FCC license? What someone may have told you the radio is supposed to do may not be in line with the Max power/modulation of the license. Chris H Chris Herrington, PMP, RCDD/OSPWD Specialist FCC Lic. # PG-11-19440 Cell 714-309-8714 ch...@fsc.com From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 2:17 PM To: Animal Farm Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 18 GHz update dont know who did it. hey its work for me! Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Who puts up a link at QAM16??? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Jaime Solorza losguyswirel...@gmail.com wrote: So now I now more!!! License keys and FCC calls for QAM 256 not 16... Power is supposed to be set to 19.5 dB and not 14 dB as it stands ... going next week to upgrade firmware. make changes and maybe realign if needed. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing... Jaime Solorza Wireless Systems Architect 915-861-1390
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be
done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the
framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we
could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for
this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
We're ISPs. Our backhauls don't really need any upstream other than the
upstream needed to sustain downstream.
Could you first get an idea on what the benefit would be? If it would be
5% additional bandwidth it doesn't make much sense. Sync isn't a big deal
to me unless I replace ALL backhauls with af5x which just isn't a realistic
possibility.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 5:13 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
There are no plans for airFiber dynamic framing at the moment. It could be
done if you didn't care about having multiple units synced together (as the
framing would be changing). I don't know how much more in one direction we
could make this and meet DFS rules for those bands... Is there a need for
this?
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:
Will there be?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com
wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Ubnt DFS approval
Of course. On Mar 12, 2015 2:14 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote: AF5X is approved. Chuck On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:25 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: Is there any comprehensive list of DFS certified radios? I'm sure the list would be short if it existed? Are any of the AC radios dfs approved? NanoBeam? Power Beam? R5AC?
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
I may have to rethink my QoS set up. If I set my L7 rules behind my general
traffic rules they don't work.
- Original Message -
From: Mike Hammett
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:28 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Put your layer 7 rules at the very end of your list. Use them to create
connection marks that they apply higher in the list.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Glen Waldrop gwl...@cngwireless.net
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:25:37 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The flip side of this, I've experimented with Netflix on the PS3 and PC quite
a bit on my home router. As a result, I've set L7 tagging and QoS rules to keep
Netflix from going nuts while preventing buffering on my edge router.
My config essentially guaranteed 3Mbps for streaming video, but limited it to
a max of 3Mbps. Problem I run into is I need a hotter router.
Depending on the interpretation, my QoS rule that improves streaming video
could be construed as throttling.
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Leary
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not so sure about that Jon. Pushing it down to merely SD is not blocking or
otherwise rendering the traffic unusable. SD is perfectly usable, though
consumer might not find it desirable. I think a wireless provider can make an
effective case for forcing streaming to SD under the management clauses of
this order, because it is an action taken to preserve the ability of all
subscribers to have useable connections.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable
expectations of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that promises
access to all of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship designed to
avoid the no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an application
effectively, but not technically, unusable. It prohibits the degrading of
Internet traffic based on source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime since
I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be considered
reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the cost
should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
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PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
LOL
WOW I need to lay off the tylenol
On 03/12/2015 02:22 PM, Glen Waldrop wrote:
Admittedly I need a cup of coffee this afternoon, but I read that as,
We charge $90 per hour 1 hour per minute.
lol
- Original Message -
*From:* David mailto:dmilho...@wletc.com
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:03 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
We used to do that before we got over 200 customers but now its a
must to have that line of understanding that its not our problem
but your problem issue while under the same breath have a tool in
the toolbox with a solution to fix their said problem.
We charge $90/hr 1hr min
On 03/10/2015 12:24 PM, That One Guy wrote:
I would like to see call volume to customer count ratios between
those who do and dont charge for service calls. We dont charge,
which I think is dumb since we dont enforce the whole dont roll a
truck if its not a verified problem. We have driven 40 miles to
plug a power supply in, 40 miles to get to a customers house to
find out all but one of their devices is in fact working and the
one thats not had its wireless turned off, one customer was so
sure we needed to come realign his reflector that he went out and
cranked it facing the other direction (come on man, at least
loosen the nut, otherwise we see the stripped fresh paint
flakes). I dont mind going out to resolve an issue with our gear
for free, I just hate getting told theres no funds for proper
infrastructure grounding when we are wasting two man truck rolls
for things that we can verify in house or recover the cost on.
On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 4:43 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com
mailto:part15...@gmail.com wrote:
We have a 1-hour minimum charge for this sort of thing.� We
charge $120/hour.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/9/2015 2:17 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
�
most of our customers don't have $100 to blow ?
we think $80 for such cases tho...
�
- Original Message -
*From:* Glen Waldrop mailto:gwl...@cngwireless.net
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 2:27 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
I like your way of thinking.
�
- Original Message -
*From:* Jerry Richardson mailto:je...@richardson.bz
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 2:25 PM
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Short rant
$100 service call
�
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf
Of *Glen Waldrop
*Sent:* Monday, March 09, 2015 12:20 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] OT Short rant
�
Customer: Hey, our Internet is slow, mind taking a
look at it?
Me: Sure, no problem.
*customer's�husband�immediately goes outside and
takes the unit off the pole*
Customer: He's moving it because it has bad reception.
�
Customer: He said it needs a new end because this
one broke.
�
Wonder how it broke...
grrr...
--
If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see
your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of
the team.
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com http://www.wavelinc.com/
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave or
slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not that exciting as if I wanted those, I'd just file to be a CLEC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com To: af@afmug.com Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37:47 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that public entities cannot discriminate against all you telecommunications providers and have to treat you equal to the others. Just cite “network neutrality” rules if they balk. 56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband Internet access service, we do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated procedural rules (to the extent they apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus, within the Commission’s forbearance authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s regulation of pole attachments. In particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable system operators and telecommunications carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct, conduit, or right-of-way owned or controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure is crucial to the efficient deployment of communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants.
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty
cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Chuck,
Any plans to do the adaptive at some later point? Or we always going to
have the fixed?
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Chuck Macenski ch...@macenski.com wrote:
Hi,
No. Currently we support 50/50, 75/25, and 67/33 (either master to slave
or slave to master).
Chuck
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:04 PM, Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com
wrote:
I'm talking half duplex, sorry.
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 4:02 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
If you're running them full dux, you don't need no steenking adaptive
duty cycle...
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:53 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive
duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc
Kurt Fankhauser
Wavelinc Communications
P.O. Box 126
Bucyrus, OH 44820
http://www.wavelinc.com
tel. 419-562-6405
fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that public entities cannot discriminate against all you telecommunications providers and have to treat you equal to the others. Just cite “network neutrality” rules if they balk. 56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband Internet access service, we do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated procedural rules (to the extent they apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus, within the Commission’s forbearance authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s regulation of pole attachments. In particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable system operators and telecommunications carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct, conduit, or right-of-way owned or controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure is crucial to the efficient deployment of communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants.
Re: [AFMUG] T-Mobile WiFi calling: Works with Canopy NAT?
I'm ok with not adding new functionality. But the fragmented packet
problem (for femtocells, and now some VoIP implementations) has been
listed as a bug for quite a while (years in my book). Would be more
comfortable that we could at least rely on bug fixes for a limited
amount of time..
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 12:38 PM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Yes, I believe it was part of the NAT throughput improvements in 13.2.
Which is yet another reason we need an updated release for FSK. Not to
mention all the new stuff we can't use, like the config import/export.
Aaron told me they know and they're working on it.
On 3/12/2015 1:56 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
So it's the fragmentation issue?
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:53 AM, George Skorup (Cyber Broadcasting) wrote:
Same as ATT. And I think it was fixed it 13.2 (NAT fragmentation or
something), which obviously doesn't help FSK.
On 3/12/2015 1:47 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
One of our subscribers on a 900SM recently got T-Mobil WiFi calling.
Unless there is something I'm missing, it appears that it will not
work through Canopy NAT (SM and AP are on 13.1.3).
We had their router (a special ASUS router no less) on the DMZ.
It would make the UDP connection to T-Mobil through their port
4500, but would not go any further. When we turned off NAT in the
SM, it started working.
Any other tricks?
[AFMUG] quick Air Fiber 5X question
Does the airfiber 5X (or any other variation of AF) support adaptive duty cycle? Or am I locked down to 50/50 or 75/25 etc Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Ah yes, the dreaded doomaflotchy.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
There will have to be some cost of entry, otherwise every Tom, Dick,
Harry is going to call him/herself an internet provider so that s/he can
hang his/her doomaflotchy on a pole.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 1:06 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
The point is, now you don't have to go through that hassle.
On 03/12/2015 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Not that exciting as if I wanted those, I'd just file to be a CLEC.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
*From: *Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37:47 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even
though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that public
entities cannot discriminate against all you telecommunications providers
and have to treat you equal to the others. Just cite “network neutrality”
rules if they balk.
56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband Internet
access service, we
do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated procedural
rules (to the extent they
apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus, within
the Commission’s forbearance
authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s regulation
of pole attachments. In
particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable system
operators and telecommunications
carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct,
conduit, or right-of-way owned or
controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure is
crucial to the efficient deployment of
communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants.
!DSPAM:2,5501ecfa184921480014006!
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The point is, now you don't have to go through that hassle. On 03/12/2015 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Not that exciting as if I wanted those, I'd just file to be a CLEC. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com *From: *Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com *To: *af@afmug.com *Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37:47 PM *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that public entities cannot discriminate against all you telecommunications providers and have to treat you equal to the others. Just cite “network neutrality” rules if they balk. 56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband Internet access service, we do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated procedural rules (to the extent they apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus, within the Commission’s forbearance authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s regulation of pole attachments. In particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable system operators and telecommunications carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct, conduit, or right-of-way owned or controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure is crucial to the efficient deployment of communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants. !DSPAM:2,5501ecfa184921480014006!
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
There will have to be some cost of entry, otherwise every Tom, Dick,
Harry is going to call him/herself an internet provider so that s/he can
hang his/her doomaflotchy on a pole.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 1:06 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
The point is, now you don't have to go through that hassle.
On 03/12/2015 12:45 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Not that exciting as if I wanted those, I'd just file to be a CLEC.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
*From: *Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
*To: *af@afmug.com
*Sent: *Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:37:47 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Y’all now have the rights to pole contacts and rights of way. Even
though it says ROWs controlled by a utility, I am pretty sure that
public entities cannot discriminate against all you
telecommunications providers and have to treat you equal to the
others. Just cite “network neutrality” rules if they balk.
56. Section 224: Ensuring Infrastructure Access. For broadband
Internet access service, we
do not forbear from section 224 and the Commission’s associated
procedural rules (to the extent they
apply to telecommunications carriers and services and are, thus,
within the Commission’s forbearance
authority).53 Section 224 of the Act governs the Commission’s
regulation of pole attachments. In
particular, section 224(f)(1) requires utilities to provide cable
system operators and telecommunications
carriers the right of “nondiscriminatory access to any pole, duct,
conduit, or right-of-way owned or
controlled” by a utility.54 Access to poles and other infrastructure
is crucial to the efficient deployment of
communications networks including, and perhaps especially, new entrants.
!DSPAM:2,5501ecfa184921480014006!
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
So you guys saying it would work? From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
http://wbmfg.com/products.cfm?PID=34 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Josh May I ask what is “MTOWP”? Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an angle On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
Josh Hmm some not all they are still working on I75 Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:18 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket Well I was trying to be generous. Did you guys ever manage to get your entrance/exit ramps to I75 back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Josh Its more lima air LOL instead of Toledo air. Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:09 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket He has to breathe Toledo air, cut him some slack. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: You don't belong on this list if you don't know what a mtow is! Lol On Mar 12, 2015 11:05 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Josh May I ask what is “MTOWP”? Tim From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of TJ Trout Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an angle On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower standoff bracket
I think Unistrut is probably fine for the relatively short term time
frames and the loads we put on them.
Long term dedicated tower hardware with HDG is a probably a better
choice. The other issue with Unistrut (at least the galvanized stuff)
is that it's usually cut to fit properly and the cut end will rust. It
won't be enough to cause any structural issues but it will probably
leave some rust streaks and might annoy the tower owner. Stainless
would be fine but it's very expensive - the regular tower hardware is
cheaper.
Mark
On 3/12/15 2:55 PM, Bill Prince wrote:
And not just plated, but dipped. Makes a big difference.
Unistrut is usually just plated. If it's a quality plating job, it
might be OK, because I see several bits of galvanized unistrut here
and there, and they look fine even after years. But I occasionally
see a hunk of unistrut that didn't have enough plating, and they will
show their age.
HDG hangs in for the long haul.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 11:49 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:
I should have said MTOWP is galvanized, in other words it works,
works well, don't bother with strut =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:40 PM, Chuck McCown ch...@wbmfg.com
mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
I think he was referring to unistrut. MTOW-P doesn’t have a channel
*From:*Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com
mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com mailto:af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower
stand off bracket
It's galvanized...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy
thatoneguyst...@gmail.com mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote:
It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding
water and rust
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
MTOWP.
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com
mailto:t...@nwohiobb.com wrote:
as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket
before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting
ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see
some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I
cant see spending that much on something like this.
Thanks Tim
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Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The flip side of this, I've experimented with Netflix on the PS3 and PC quite a
bit on my home router. As a result, I've set L7 tagging and QoS rules to keep
Netflix from going nuts while preventing buffering on my edge router.
My config essentially guaranteed 3Mbps for streaming video, but limited it to a
max of 3Mbps. Problem I run into is I need a hotter router.
Depending on the interpretation, my QoS rule that improves streaming video
could be construed as throttling.
- Original Message -
From: Patrick Leary
To: af@afmug.com
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not so sure about that Jon. Pushing it down to merely SD is not blocking or
otherwise rendering the traffic unusable. SD is perfectly usable, though
consumer might not find it desirable. I think a wireless provider can make an
effective case for forcing streaming to SD under the management clauses of
this order, because it is an action taken to preserve the ability of all
subscribers to have useable connections.
Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
From: Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jon Auer
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:29 PM
To: Animal Farm
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable
expectations of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that promises
access to all of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship designed to
avoid the no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an application
effectively, but not technically, unusable. It prohibits the degrading of
Internet traffic based on source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime since
I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be considered
reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the cost
should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
To: af@afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
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Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
Steve says watch for water in the channel. I'm saying use MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: So you guys saying it would work? *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 1:49 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an angle On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
He has to breathe Toledo air, cut him some slack. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: You don't belong on this list if you don't know what a mtow is! Lol On Mar 12, 2015 11:05 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Josh May I ask what is “MTOWP”? Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an angle On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
We are preparing to implement port 25 blocking
Aside from the fact that we are so small as to not even be a blip, this is
technically now a protected service?
Verizon does it on DSL, will they have to pull the filters?
I would hope this is covered under effective network managment as it
partially eliminates illegal traffic, while still leaving equally similar
pathways for legitimate traffic on othe rports or protocols.
But then the problem comes in of SLA customers that it is open to, would
that not be considered paid for prioritization of similar service (fast
lane)?
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:06 PM, Patrick Leary patrick.le...@telrad.com
wrote:
One thing is certain. This is a jobs program for lawyers. It'll be a
career year for my lawyer friends in this business.
*Patrick Leary*
*M* 727.501.3735
http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *James Howard
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:47 PM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
*If a practice is primarily motivated by such an other justification, such
as a practice that permits different levels of network access for similarly
situated users based solely on the particular plan to which the user has
subscribed,**558 **then that practice will not be considered under this
exception.*
I’m sure that I am not reading everything in this document “correctly” but
that section in bold seems to indicate that it would be allowed to limit
something such as streaming video to SD BUT it would have to be on all
offered plans and would need to be all streaming video, not just Youtube.
The first thing I thought when I read that section was that customers (if
they see this part or hear about it) are going to expect all plans to be
the same speed. Of course, what the customer expects and what is reality
are often not the same thing.
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Patrick Leary
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 11:35 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
Not so sure about that Jon. Pushing it down to merely SD is not blocking
or otherwise rendering the traffic unusable. SD is perfectly usable,
though consumer might not find it desirable. I think a wireless provider
can make an effective case for forcing streaming to SD under the
management clauses of this order, because it is an action taken to
preserve the ability of all subscribers to have useable connections.
*Patrick Leary*
*M* 727.501.3735
http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet
*From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com af-boun...@afmug.com] *On
Behalf Of *Jon Auer
*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 12:29 PM
*To:* Animal Farm
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Light Reading
The ban on throttling is necessary both to fulfill the reasonable
expectations of a customer who signs up for a broadband service that
promises access to all of the lawful Internet, and to avoid gamesmanship
designed to avoid the no-blocking rule by, for example, rendering an
application effectively, but not technically, unusable. It prohibits the
degrading of Internet traffic based on source, destination, or content.
Seems pretty clear.
I have a competitor that was using a Procera device to degrade Youtube by
throttling streams back to SD (though it seems like they stopped sometime
since I last checked the Youtube VQR). Seems like that wouldn't be
considered reasonable network management under this.
On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Prince part15...@gmail.com wrote:
Not sure why.
If you talk to the man on the street, they're going to interpret this as
everyone should get 1 Gbps to every device in the nation, and that the
cost should be $9.99 per month.
That's not the reality. So in reality, ISPs will continue to do bandwidth
management to accommodate what is actually possible on a case-by-case basis.
bp
part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
On 3/12/2015 9:12 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
Procera is gonna hate this I think.
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*Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 9:59 AM
*To:* af@afmug.com
*Subject:* [AFMUG] Light Reading
Something to do this weekend.
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Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket
Well I was trying to be generous. Did you guys ever manage to get your entrance/exit ramps to I75 back? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:17 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Josh Its more lima air LOL instead of Toledo air. Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:09 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket He has to breathe Toledo air, cut him some slack. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 2:07 PM, TJ Trout t...@voltbb.com wrote: You don't belong on this list if you don't know what a mtow is! Lol On Mar 12, 2015 11:05 AM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: Josh May I ask what is “MTOWP”? Tim *From:* Af [mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *TJ Trout *Sent:* Thursday, March 12, 2015 2:01 PM *To:* af@afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] as anybody use power/unistrut for tower stand off bracket Works great and on triangle tower you can add a 3rd brace if needed from an angle On Mar 12, 2015 10:48 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: It's galvanized... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:44 PM, That One Guy thatoneguyst...@gmail.com wrote: It works good, but Im leary of it because of the channel holding water and rust On Thu, Mar 12, 2015 at 12:41 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: MTOWP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mar 12, 2015 1:40 PM, Tim Reichhart t...@nwohiobb.com wrote: as anybody used power/unistrut to make an tower stand off bracket before? The reason why I am asking this is because I am getting ready to mount 3 sectors on an tower that is 130 ft up and I see some of them tower stand offs are around 300 dollars per set I cant see spending that much on something like this. Thanks Tim -- If you only see yourself as part of the team but you don't see your team as part of yourself you have already failed as part of the team.
