Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:05 PM 6/11/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:04:49AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:25 AM 6/10/03 -0400, Erik Reuter asked: Does God exist? Yes. (The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.) In other words, you have no evidence. That's irrational. I

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:05 PM 6/11/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:04:49AM -0500, Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 12:25 AM 6/10/03 -0400, Erik Reuter asked: Does God exist? Yes. (The proof is left as an exercise for the reader.)

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:10 PM 6/11/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 11:40:41 -0500 At 10:32 AM 6/11/03

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 11:05 PM 6/11/03 -0400, David Hobby wrote: Julia Thompson wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: How many here who consider themselves religious, spiritual, or otherwise somehow connected to the Divine have had that feeling of universal connectedness or sacred presence (drug experiences

Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 02:25 PM 6/11/03 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 11:07 PM 6/9/03 -0400, Erik Reuter wrote: The majority of religious people are irrational. So are the majority of real numbers . . . Ah, but all transcendental numbers are irrational. Make of that what you will. :)

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:40 PM 6/11/03 +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: On 11 Jun 2003 at 13:10, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:32:06AM -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: I think, although I could be wrong, that this is where Erik was going with his question. Am I right? Pretty much. I've notice

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:20 PM 6/11/03 -0400, Jon Gabriel wrote: From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 13:14:23 -0400 On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at

Re: Red Mars to air on SCI FI

2003-06-12 Thread G. D. Akin
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:53 AM 6/11/03 -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: P.S. A friend recommended (loaning me the DVD) I watch a mini-series called The 10th Kingdom. I was sceptical at first, but ended up really having a good time with it. Anyone seen it? George A The 10th Kingdom was a

Re: Red Mars to air on SCI FI

2003-06-12 Thread G. D. Akin
Reggie Bautista wrote: George wrote: Riverworld: After reading comments on the list, I wasn't too hopeful. However, I was pleasantly surprised. The basics of To Your Scattered Bodies Go and The Fabulous Riverboat were there. While the movie was rather predictable, I enjoyed watching it.

Re: Red Mars to air on SCI FI

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 05:06 PM 6/12/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:53 AM 6/11/03 -0400, Gary Nunn wrote: P.S. A friend recommended (loaning me the DVD) I watch a mini-series called The 10th Kingdom. I was sceptical at first, but ended up really having a good time with it. Anyone

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Erik said: Does Dawkins make this argument in the book? It doesn't sound like him. It's been a while since I read it, but I think he does make that argument. Of course, Andy hasn't mentioned that he then goes on to say that evolution isn't random chance: it's random mutation followed by

Re: Red Mars to air on SCI FI

2003-06-12 Thread G. D. Akin
- Original Message - From: Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 5:18 PM Subject: Re: Red Mars to air on SCI FI At 05:06 PM 6/12/03 +0900, G. D. Akin wrote: Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:53 AM 6/11/03 -0400, Gary

Genuine?, was Re: Twenty...

2003-06-12 Thread David Hobby
... Personally, I tend to give a lot less credibility to spiritual experiences which reportedly occur under such conditions than those which occur unasked-for in the middle of an otherwise normal day to a person with no history or subsequent diagnosis of mental illness when that person is

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making decisions, especially in the formation of hypothesis. Of course you can use anecdotal evidence in formulating

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:49:16PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: On what curve exactly are you grading, Erik? I don't grade on a curve, but I guess that explains your comments, you are curving 71 up to 100. I mean, come on! -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/

Re: Iraqi Death Toll Tallied, Jobs Program Unveiled

2003-06-12 Thread TomFODW
IRAQ: $100 Million Reconstruction Fund Unveiled; Exiled Royal Returns  http://www.unfoundation.org/unwire/util/display_stories.asp?objid=34208 The U.S. civil administration in Iraq yesterday announced plans for a $100 million investment fund geared to create jobs and jump-start

Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread TomFODW
Hamas is now threatening foreigners in Israel. It has warned them to leave. Obviously, they have no intention of giving a shit who is killed in their attacks - Israeli, Palestinian, Arab, foreigner - it's all the same to them. So where are those scumbag European handwringers who scream whenever

Re: WMD

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
[older messages, April 9, 2003] Jeffrey Miller wrote: Yes, its ok, except that we disagree on both the amount and nature of those WMD. :) Gautam wrote: Well, one of us is going to be proved right in a few months, and I'm feeling pretty confident. You? Almost two months later... On

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: Where are the European hypocrites? If it's not necessarily anti-Semitism to criticize Israeli actions (and I certainly don't think it necessarily is), then what is

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ray Ludenia
Deborah Harrell wrote: How many here who consider themselves religious, spiritual, or otherwise somehow connected to the Divine have had that feeling of universal connectedness or sacred presence (drug experiences disqualified in my book) -- and how many here who consider themselves atheist

Re: Switching to NO-MAIL

2003-06-12 Thread Matt Grimaldi
Chad Cooper wrote: -Original Message- From: Chad Cooper Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 1:19 PM To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' Subject: RE: Switching to NO-MAIL I'm kind of amazed, though, that I can do this, using wireless, at all. Now I will scroll and proofread the

Re: Scouted: Monkeypox

2003-06-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:23 PM 6/11/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: There are some wild animals who could probably be domesticated in time (frex several small South American wildcats), and some who are part-way there already (ferrets, mongooses). Not mongeese? No, the plural of

Mongoose (was RE: Scouted: Monkeypox)

2003-06-12 Thread Nick Arnett
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Julia Thompson Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 7:17 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Scouted: Monkeypox Ronn!Blankenship wrote: At 05:23 PM 6/11/03 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: There are

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:55:36PM +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: Yes, I know. Who am I to make these value judgements?? One of the traitor commie bastards that infests this list? :-) -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Erik Reuter wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:55:36PM +1000, Ray Ludenia wrote: Yes, I know. Who am I to make these value judgements?? One of the traitor commie bastards that infests this list? :-) :) Thank you, Erik. I think the problem with this thread is that some people are seeing

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 02:08:04PM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Are you really willing

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 8:07 AM Subject: Where are the European hypocrites? If it's not necessarily anti-Semitism to criticize Israeli actions (and I certainly don't think it

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:49:16PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: On what curve exactly are you grading, Erik? I don't grade on a curve, but I guess that explains your comments, you are curving 71 up to 100. I mean, come on! Erik Reuter [EMAIL

Re: WMD

2003-06-12 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [older messages, April 9, 2003] Jeffrey Miller wrote: Yes, its ok, except that we disagree on both the amount and nature of those WMD. :) Gautam wrote: Well, one of us is going to be proved right in a few months, and I'm feeling pretty

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
*raises hand sheepishly* Rich, who wonders if there aren't also American hypocrites; and who further wonders what might happen if a heavily armed state of foreign nationals was sudddenly formed in, say, Texas. And who actually thinks that the Palestinian terrorist organisations are descpicable

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is probably the wrong place to get an argument on this. If you want one, I think you will see a lot of people on Culture that will blame Sharon for the Hamas actions. ;-/ Dan M. Well, sure. I mean, does this surprise you? There are plenty

end of an era

2003-06-12 Thread Jon Gabriel
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Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Julia Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making decisions, especially in the formation of hypothesis. Of

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 09:56:38AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Of course you can use anecdotal evidence in formulating a theory. The point is, you CANNOT use the SAME data to validate the theory. You are wrong Erik. You can not formulat _theories_ in this manner. I think we are arguing

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 11 Jun 2003 at 19:49, Erik Reuter wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 12:10:46AM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: Okay, I was essentially refering to the Blind Watchmaker theory - a Universe capebale of supporting out type of life, and a planet like ours, and us coming along...is SO unlikely,

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 11 Jun 2003 at 19:17, Erik Reuter wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 06:40:42PM +0100, Andrew Crystall wrote: I was scientically trained and it didn't affect my religious beliefs one bit. Yes, many of the ~40% I have met are like that. Those I have discussed it with seem to keep their

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 12 Jun 2003 at 8:40, Gautam Mukunda wrote: --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 09:49:16PM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: On what curve exactly are you grading, Erik? I don't grade on a curve, but I guess that explains your comments, you are

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Andrew Crystall
On 12 Jun 2003 at 9:50, Richard Baker wrote: Erik said: Does Dawkins make this argument in the book? It doesn't sound like him. It's been a while since I read it, but I think he does make that argument. Of course, Andy hasn't mentioned that he then goes on to say that evolution isn't

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would that be? I for one would certainly argue that every democracy so far has had a definate weakness in terms of long term planning and stability Andy The oldest written Constitution in the world (the oldest single government in

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Andy said: And I'd point out that what reproductive fitness is can be complex (for example, why the Cystic Fybrosis gene survived...). How is it complex? Entity A is more reproductively fit than entity B in environment (physical and biological) E if A on average produces more descendents than

Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 08:40:12AM -0700, Gautam Mukunda wrote: than some hypothetical perfection - and I'd like to see you (or anyone else) try to run something this complex at anything even vaguely approaching a similar level of success - what are you basing _your_ judgments on? If I

MAtrix lingo

2003-06-12 Thread d.brin
Sorry, but it's been bugging me. Some movies GROW on you after a so-so first impression. Many people have said that about Costner's THE POSTMAN, Other movies are enjoyable during... then gnaw away after with irritiation. I had way fun during Matrix II -- who wouldn't?Wondrous visceral

Re: MAtrix lingo

2003-06-12 Thread Medievalbk
In a message dated 6/12/03 10:59:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I kept hearing them round and round. One voice, sultry, saying: I am the Gatekeeper... Then a whiney one saying I'm the Keymaster! Well, I suppose I can't complain when a movie like Matrix II,

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 09:56:38AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Of course you can use anecdotal evidence in formulating a theory. The point is, you CANNOT use the SAME data to validate the theory. You are wrong Erik. You can not formulat

RE: What Is Going Right in Iraq

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Erik Reuter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 08:48 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: What Is Going Right in Iraq On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 11:02:51PM -0400, John D. Giorgis wrote: Somewhat surprisingly, Iraq is not

RE: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 09:14 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This arguement is beneath you. The specific complaint about

RE: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Gautam Mukunda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:16 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Lost in the Baghdad Museum: The Truth --- Andrew Crystall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What would that be? I for one would certainly

RE: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Chad Cooper
-Original Message- From: Jan Coffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 11:34 AM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 09:56:38AM -0700, Jan

Re: What Is Going Right in Iraq

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Jeffrey said: Obviously fake. I mean, c'mon, Americans playing SOCCER? That would be football. The stuff you guys mostly play is American football ;) Rich ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:33:41AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Of course Theory is used by _layman_ in place of Hypothesis. But we are not _laymen_ we are scientificaly trained and should use the words appropriatly. Please produce the cite on the Feynman quote you referenced. -- Erik Reuter

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 11:33:41AM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: Of course Theory is used by _layman_ in place of Hypothesis. But we are not _laymen_ we are scientificaly trained and should use the words appropriatly. Please produce the cite on the

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 12:15:50PM -0700, Chad Cooper wrote: Once again, you trumped me. I was drafting a message about what the difference (as I was taught) between an idea, theory and hypothesis, and you beat me to it (This was in response to Erik cutting me some slack on my use of theory).

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making decisions, especially in the formation of hypothesis. I think I am paraphrasing Feynman himself, but perhaps

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs Discussion' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 2:15 PM Subject: RE: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? -Original Message- From: Jan Coffey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making decisions, especially in the formation of hypothesis. I

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:25:17PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using anecdotal evidence is often appropriate when making

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Richard Baker wrote: *raises hand sheepishly* Rich, who wonders if there aren't also American hypocrites; and who further wonders what might happen if a heavily armed state of foreign nationals was sudddenly formed in, say, Texas. And who actually thinks that the Palestinian terrorist

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Julia said: The thing is, Texas has more to lose by leaving the US than it has to gain, and most of us understand that. The parallel doesn't quite work. Okay, choose some other state. I was just trying to make people imagine how they might feel if a foreign Israel was set up in the Palestinian

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Reggie Bautista
Erik wrote: the·o·ry( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr) n. pl. the·o·ries [snip] 6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture. Great. Thanks to this discussion, I now have I Have A Theory from the Buffy musical going through my head... I have a

Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothesis: A tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences. Theory: A scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena. I would only add

Re: Iraqi Death Toll Tallied, Jobs Program Unveiled

2003-06-12 Thread Reggie Bautista
Tom Beck wrote: Considering that the Bush Administration refuses to do similar here in the US, I'm amazed they didn't simply cut taxes in Iraq. Wouldn't that be the same miracle worker there that they insist it will be here? As we all-too-frequently say here at work, that would be too much like

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 01:25:17PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2003 at 10:55:07PM -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: It is important however not to neglect the benefit of intuition. Using

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? Erik wrote: the·o·ry( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr) n. pl. the·o·ries [snip] 6. An

Re: Red Mars to air on SCI FI

2003-06-12 Thread Reggie Bautista
Ronn! wrote: When they re-ran it on TV, to cut it down from 10 hours to 8, they cut out, frex, a lot of the trolls rampaging through the apartment building at the beginning. 7 hours w/o commercials sounds like about 10 hours with commercials, though . . . Shows like Stargate (pre-SciFi

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:42 PM Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Julia said: The thing is, Texas has more to lose by leaving the US than it has to gain, and

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Reggie Bautista [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Erik wrote: the·o·ry( P ) Pronunciation Key (th-r, thîr) n. pl. the·o·ries [snip] 6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture. Great. Thanks to this discussion, I now have I Have A Theory from the

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Dan said: But, that's not quite fair, because that's not exactly what happened. So if one wished to create a science-fictional situation with the US in the position of Palestine, how would one do so? Do you think it would require an alien Israel? And then how far in the future would it have to

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Gautam Mukunda
--- Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, choose some other state. I was just trying to make people imagine how they might feel if a foreign Israel was set up in the Palestinian US. I'd imagine quite a lot of Americans would be rather upset about the whole thing, and try to expel it,

RE: What Is Going Right in Iraq

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Richard Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:30 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: What Is Going Right in Iraq Jeffrey said: Obviously fake. I mean, c'mon, Americans playing SOCCER? That would be football. The

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:26 PM Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Dan said: But, that's not quite fair, because that's not exactly what happened. So if one

RE: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
Did you mean to ask, who reported you to yahoo for violating their TOS? -j- -Original Message- From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 02:47 PM Subject: WHO THE FUCK... Importance: High A new subscriber to The New Improved Brin-L

Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 10:27:14AM -0500, Dan Minette wrote: Dropping the question of the testability whether a particular action contributes to your goal, which can definitely be debatable because of the complexity of our civilization, I'd like to focus on a much more fundamental question.

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Gautam said: Yeah, but there have been Jews in that area since before recorded history and they made up a very large proportion of the population before the Israeli War of Independence. Isn't that rather like saying that the Kingdom of Jerusalem was kinda okay because there were lots of

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Richard Baker
Dan said: How about, over a period of years, the US is inundated by foreigners who look like they will drastically and permanently change the ethnic makeup of the US? No sci-fi needed. :-) Yes, but that's not really the same situation, is it? Can you imagine a separate sovereign Hispanic

Re: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
I wondered if he posted that message verbatim to the bizarro Brin-L list, or if he sugar-coated it when he sent it to his own personal power-trip group. On Thu, Jun 12, 2003 at 02:51:51PM -0700, Miller, Jeffrey wrote: Did you mean to ask, who reported you to yahoo for violating their TOS? -j-

RE: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Chad Cooper
-Original Message- From: Dan Minette [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:28 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re: Plonkworthy? - Original Message - From: Chad Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Killer Bs

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 03:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! Importance: High *SNIP* must... not.. respond... urge to... be smart-ass... rising... -j-

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, wasRe: Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 01:51 PM 6/12/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothesis: A tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences. Theory: A scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles

Re: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-12 Thread Jon Gabriel
Erik, does it matter? Yahoo routinely checks the content of the websites they host. I have a friend who posted some nude pictures of herself on a public page on her site and it was removed a couple of months after she'd done so. So, from experience, if they didn't like what he had up there,

Re: WMD

2003-06-12 Thread TomFODW
Although, admittedly, having asked people who know something about this sort of thing, and read some stuff on how hard it is to find these items, I was probably overoptimistic.  But God forbid that a little knowledge or expertise would be injected into this loop. And God forbid that

Re: Pictures of the belly

2003-06-12 Thread Russell Chapman
Julia Thompson wrote: First 3 pictures have me in them. These were taken over Memorial Day weekend. Wow - you have interesting friends... Interesting to see the correlation throughout the album between number of times viewed and visible breasts... Pubic hair puts the counter through the roof...

Re: Pictures of the belly

2003-06-12 Thread Russell Chapman
Julia Thompson wrote: I don't think I can fit into that bathing suit anymore. That looks like it hurts already - just the skin stretching seems extreme, and the three of you will get bigger! No wonder only women can have babies! A pregnant man would be bad enough, but imagine with twins...

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Adam C. Lipscomb
Jeff wrote: From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! *SNIP* must... not.. respond... urge to... be smart-ass... rising... I'm getting more than a little sick of the rantings of a pathetic loser that

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Chad Cooper
-Original Message- From: Miller, Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 3:52 PM To: Jeroen van Baardwijk; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! -Original Message- From: Jeroen van Baardwijk

Re: Scouted: Monkeypox

2003-06-12 Thread Deborah Harrell
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Deborah Harrell wrote: There are some wild animals who could probably be domesticated in time (frex several small South American wildcats), and some who are part-way there already (ferrets, mongooses). Not mongeese? I considered writing

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Dan Minette
- Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Dan said: How about, over a period of years, the US is inundated by foreigners who look like

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 00:36:23 +0200 --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Gabriel wrote: I did? {checks} No, I didn't. Jon rant snipped _

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Russell Chapman
Miller, Jeffrey wrote: must... not.. respond... urge to... be smart-ass... rising... Ooooh but it's hard isn't it. I've sat here ignoring this barrage of uninvited and unwanted email, but when it starts showing up on the school's Surf Control logs for language, I find it really hard to shut

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 04:16 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! Jeff wrote: From: Jeroen van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Julia Thompson
Richard Baker wrote: Julia said: The thing is, Texas has more to lose by leaving the US than it has to gain, and most of us understand that. The parallel doesn't quite work. Okay, choose some other state. I was just trying to make people imagine how they might feel if a foreign Israel

Re: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
Did you notice that he misattributed what I wrote as being from you? Weird, huh? I guess he can't keep his death-threat victims straight in his head. Too many of them, you know... -- Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___

Re: Scientific method: was Re: Twenty (or so) Questions, was Re:Plonkworthy?

2003-06-12 Thread Jan Coffey
--- Ronn!Blankenship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 01:51 PM 6/12/03 -0700, Jan Coffey wrote: --- Dan Minette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hypothesis: A tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences. Theory: A scientifically

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Miller, Jeffrey
-Original Message- From: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 04:21 PM To: Killer Bs Discussion Subject: Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! Miller, Jeffrey wrote: must... not.. respond... urge to... be smart-ass... rising...

Re: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Jon Gabriel
Oh, and Nick (or Julia) would you mind renewing the ban on Señor Spammy? The 'Noise from the Netherlands' is interfering with my peaceful enjoyment of our fascinating conversation about... uh... what were we talking about again? Thanks ;-) Jon GSV Short Attention Span Theater rant snipped

Re: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-12 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Erik Reuter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: WHO THE FUCK... Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 19:23:53 -0400 Did you notice that he misattributed what I wrote as being from you? Weird, huh? I guess he can't keep

Re: Where are the European hypocrites?

2003-06-12 Thread Ronn!Blankenship
At 06:24 PM 6/12/03 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: - Original Message - From: Richard Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 4:58 PM Subject: Re: Where are the European hypocrites? Dan said: How about, over a period of years, the US

RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2003-06-12 Thread Jon Gabriel
From: Miller, Jeffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Killer Bs Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: STOP YOUR CYBER-TERRORISM!! Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2003 16:24:50 -0700 -Original Message- From: Russell Chapman [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: end of an era

2003-06-12 Thread Robert Seeberger
- Original Message - From: Jon Gabriel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 10:55 AM Subject: end of an era NBC and ABC News anchor David Brinkley died last night. He was 82. Gregory Peck died too. xponent Impressive Humans Maru rob

Re: WHO THE FUCK...

2003-06-12 Thread Erik Reuter
Now Jeroen has banned Doyle Brunson, who was bouncing Jeroen's spams for me. He banned him because he was forwarding what Jeroen called my spam. He quoted the bizarro brin-l rules, which define spam as unsolicited commercial email. Since the email Doyle forwarded was definitely not commercial (it

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