On Apr 13, 2005, at 7:08 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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But, they are very different opinionsone claims that the people
one is
differing with are ignorant, unable or unwilling to use reason, or of
ill
will; while the other is a statement about one's own best
On Apr 13, 2005, at 4:51 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
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2. Many times it seems to me that 12-step programs really substitute
one addiction (to [substance]) for another (to the program).
This doesn't really solve the problem. It doesn't strike at the root,
the source
background was one or other form of Christian puritanism. That is
because people in other US cultures tended to be more forgiving.
Of themselves and their faults, you mean, or of the errant sheep in
their communities? (Or both?)
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On Apr 9, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Dan Minette wrote:
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Well, why though? Isn't everything we state that is less than 100%
provable an opinion? Isn't it valid to read in the phrase In my
opinion... before any declaration, at least of values or judgments?
Obviously
the policy *you* are supporting, to take the same
step into absurdity you have taken.
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with another layer of possibly-useful scrutiny.
A more valid complaint is the internal subornation that goes on daily
-- such as the way the credit card lobbyists have at last managed to
later bankruptcy laws in favor of themselves and their predatory
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:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/chron.html
Also, IIRC Shanghai in particular was undergoing a massive boom in the
last several years, but oil prices didn't spike then either.
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well *we* have done the job -- as opposed
to the Iraqi people -- might say more than any arguments anyone can put
forward.
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to be a prediction of about 1.3 billion motorized
vehicles in 2005. That's apparently a large increase, but pointing the
finger at China alone seems a little too pat.
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On Apr 9, 2005, at 8:06 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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Sure, this is readily apparent to *us*, but back then any pregnancy
in
concert with an intact hymen would be considered miraculous.
How much knowledge of a hymen was there ca. 2K years ago, though? I
mean
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:07 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
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If there's nothing wrong with opposing the
unjustifiable attack on
Iraq, why are you so committed to twisting the tits
of everyone who
does oppose it?
Because so many of them say things like calling
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:45 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:04 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Sigh. Reproduction via union of sperm and egg is sex. It's not
meaningful to speak of an asexual pregnancy, and it's impossible for
artificial insemination techniques to have existed 2K
On Apr 7, 2005, at 11:47 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 12:10 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
And the epistles of Paul, while effective at establishing and
maintaining the infant cult of Iasus, read like a lot of hard-right
propaganda, which to me is more or less what
On Apr 8, 2005, at 12:55 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 7, 2005, at 10:10 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
And hardly remarkable. Young women conceive pretty regularly.
Embedding
such a phrase in a prophecy is a little like predicting rain in
Seattle.
I think your lay scholarship isn't serving
On Apr 8, 2005, at 5:46 AM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 02:08 AM Friday 4/8/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
It is interesting that you are much more likely to state things as
absolutes than most people I know who do claim to have the sure word
of God on issues.
Well, when arguing facts, I tend
Iasus' divinity.
The story that Mary was visited by an angel, BTW, is thirdhand at best.
Presumably only she was privy to the vision (hallucination, dream,
whatever) -- so she must have told someone, who told someone else, and
it got written into the account.
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On Apr 8, 2005, at 6:19 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
Sigh. Reproduction via union of sperm and egg is sex. It's not
meaningful to speak of an asexual pregnancy, and it's impossible for
artificial insemination techniques to have existed 2K years ago.
Sure, this is readily
to be
labeled at all.
I sometimes feel the same is the case with a forum wherein various
topics -- many of them having to do with opinions -- are discussed. Do
we really actually need to label the opinions as such, or is context
sufficient to let us discern them?
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On Apr 6, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest reason bald eagles
are
endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so drastically that
many embryos never survived to full
On Apr 6, 2005, at 4:48 PM, Gautam Mukunda wrote:
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Because DDT thins birds' egg shells. The biggest
reason bald eagles are
endangered is DDT -- it thinned the birds' shells so
drastically that
many embryos never survived to full development
On Apr 6, 2005, at 2:42 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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On Apr 3, 2005, at 9:09 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
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Pffft. Developing implies some sort of progress. We're
backsliding.
Out of curiosity, how
of prose. It's an available event in many pursuits that, when it
happens, feels almost magical in its intensity of focus, its broadness
of accessibility, and most especially its ephemeral nature.
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, of blinkered non-reasoning, so true that I'd hope it could
be featured in a text on logic just to show how self-deluded the
rationalists can be.
Foma, to borrow from Vonnegut. It's all a pack of foma. Trust me? Why?
I can't even trust myself.
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she was referring to sex . . .
No, that would be a length vs. width thing. Sheesh.
What about calibre?
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is against us. But it seems
Gautam is more comfortable discussing with others what my intentions
are than he is dealing with my comments directly, so if you get an
answer from him I'll be interestedly reading it as well.
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to say about
that...)
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On Apr 7, 2005, at 2:50 PM, maru wrote:
'marginally-relevant texts'?
An example please; So far I've only seen various perversions of the
Bible
(Unless you count Mel Gibson using the ravings of a delirious German
nun
in his /Passion
pregnancy, and it's impossible for
artificial insemination techniques to have existed 2K years ago.
I think it's a real stretch, BTW, to say that a woman who's experienced
penetrative anal intercourse is a virgin.
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On Apr 7, 2005, at 7:49 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 08:59 PM Thursday 4/7/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
though there's some wiggle room there -- IIRC the original text had
it as behold, a young woman shall conceive.
Which is correct, afaik.
And hardly remarkable. Young women conceive pretty
of it went way
beyond anything I would have guessed. Had I known then what I know now,
I would have opposed the attack more strenuously than I did.
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well.
What? Did someone say something?
Nothing significant.
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residence.)
http://www.c-span.org/
There's stuff bottom center about live feeds for Real and WMP -- also
maybe there'll be something useful in the broadband C-Span section.
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On Apr 5, 2005, at 12:34 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Apr 4, 2005, at 1:14 PM, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
This is one of the problems with most of the modern interpretations of
the Gospels. Where Iasus was being metaphorical, he is taken
literally;
and where he was being literal, he is taken
no such
thing..
.?
I think my atheology is pretty sound. ;) Don't know how WTG feels. If
the choice is limited to extremist religious expression versus
moderate, I'd rather see the moderate.
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he had made.
The man had reformed; he was a thief no more.
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On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:46 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
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Not just injustice -- uncertainty. When there's a lot of social
stress such as war, pestilence, famine, etc., it seems that hardline
sects get stronger. People seem to want to find a meaning
On Apr 6, 2005, at 10:48 AM, Nick Arnett wrote:
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The monk smiled. Don't worry about that. Only be aware of the urge.
Good story!
:D
Wasn't mine, though. It's an old Buddhist tale.
Sometimes I'm convinced that spiritual growth, maturity, call
.
This is fascinating, because it's the rich white conservatives *now*
that are ignoring the status of poor brown people, such as those in the
Sudan, or the thousands dead in Iraq because of a misbegotten war
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. It says more about the believer than it does
about anything else.
Some people like to build dams, others prefer to build bridges, I'll
cross your bridge and shake your hand!
Oh. Dam.
;)
xponent
Catlick Maru
Roaming Catlick?
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that there's trouble afoot.
That said, I suspect Doug was being tongue-in-cheek, as I was.
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naturally you have to expect typical human up-fuckery to get
in the way.
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On Apr 2, 2005, at 8:42 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
The leading candiates are a Nigerian and a Brazilian. I would rate the
odds of an American as 1000 to 1. So, Alberto may be able to use his
ties
to the new Pope to influence JDG in the future. :-)
I'm holding out for a woman this time.
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On Apr 2, 2005, at 10:09 PM, Doug Pensinger wrote:
I don't imagine I'd give a damn about what the Catholic Church and
their pope did except for the inordinate influence they have over so
much of the developing world.
Meaning, of course, the USA.
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On Apr 1, 2005, at 1:36 AM, Gary Denton wrote:
I wish to apologise to any of you others I may have brought to this
world with me.
That was you? You bastard! Stop observing the universe! You're
influencing it way too much with your pessimism!
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on *something* eventually. (That's a
safe bet...)
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?
Or is this all a big April Fool's prank?
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follow your bliss -- sound
adevice, I suppose, but it implies knowing what your bliss is...
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some kind
of sinister agenda -- what is your agenda, John?
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On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:22 PM, Dave Land wrote:
I'm actually quite astounded at how easy Apple has made it to get a
web server up and running on Mac OS X
You mean Apache on BSD?
;)
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on this list have asserted
claims and then, asked for cites, said they couldn't reveal their
sources. This behavior seems to havve been accepted from them. Is it
possible we've got a mirror of that here?
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This is a true story.
Wow. And you wasted all that mojo on SW2.
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is probably
the optimal one.
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of failures
are
legend, makes me leery of investing any more money with a doomed
enterprise.
A doomed Enterprise is another thread entirely...
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. The question is which it is misdesigned?
The level of cruft required to get ANY web site to function is always
tremendous. You works with what you gots.
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spell the total ruin of the US. From
there it's an easy slide into the last century, with each nation acting
like a tribe and attacking anyone on its borders. Let's hear it for the
wave of the future: The past.
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that there is some interest in the fundamentals of the
issues,
and I wouldn't mind putting together some stuff on those fundamentals.
If there's a way to make QM look less totally outrageous (which means,
to me, less metaphysical), I'd certainly be interested in exploring it.
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On Mar 11, 2005, at 2:46 PM, Gary Denton wrote:
I actually have some pictures of the Flintstones and the Rubbles
swinging.
This is so vastly into the realm of oversharing that it's actually
downright spooky.
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debating whether or not to go with a group of
people there in 10 days.)
Because of the review, or because of the other people in the group?
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unbeatable meat, but
it's just not quite jelling. Oh well. I guess fortune's smiling on many
this night.
Does the restaurant have a buffet?
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whatever alternate explanations
exist might get short shrift in his own arguments.
Nova/PBS did a program a while back:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/
But I don't recall this part of it being discussed. Maybe it was deemed
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about *ourselves* than it ever will about the
universe we live in.
Which, for the record, we do not make up as we perceive it. I can think
of at least two very practical thought experiments to prove that
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On Mar 4, 2005, at 4:26 AM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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What's funny is that I regularly sense a strong commitment to QM
(not
just in you), one that isn't comfortable with conceding that, since
QM
is incomplete, it's possible that some of its conclusions are false.
Almost
much more likely that the fault lies in our ability to perceive,
not in what it is we are observing.
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, sure, but it leads to really outrageous conclusions,
and to me the most parsimonious explanation is that it's our
perceptions of the universe that are just plain wrong, that the
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On Mar 3, 2005, at 4:18 PM, Robert Seeberger wrote:
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I really don't think QM is a valid assessment of our universe. It's
partially correct, sure, but it leads to really outrageous
conclusions, and to me the most
is incomplete, it's possible that some of its conclusions are false.
Almost as though it's a religion.
Quasi-realism is extremely
messy and virtually every effort to come up with quasi-realism has
fallen
apart very quickly.
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legitimate, deeply descriptive and entirely accurate model of
reality? Particularly when there still isn't agreement about how to
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On Mar 1, 2005, at 2:06 PM, Dan Minette wrote:
Our own Gautam is the recepient of a 2005 Sorros fellowship. Details
concerning this fellowship are given at
http://www.pdsoros.org/
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Those wacky wolflings. At least they're starting to figure it out!
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On Feb 22, 2005, at 7:29 PM, Mauro Diotallevi wrote:
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a lot of great info about PKD novels and stories.
Warren, thanks for the great analysis. I have not read any PKD, and
now I know where to start.
:D
I do like da'guy
and its ending was *not* the same
one PKD wrote -- but it would, I think, have met with his approval.
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On Feb 18, 2005, at 8:04 PM, Julia Thompson wrote:
Warren Ockrassa wrote:
On Feb 18, 2005, at 7:38 PM, Erik Reuter wrote:
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I don't care to discuss anything further.
You call what you were doing discussing? Ha!
Aren't you overdue for your meds?
Isn't
than to punish bad
behavior -- you get the results you're after more quickly, if it's a
matter of handling a bad habit.
If the behavior is about attention-getting, sure; when it's bleating
for the sake of making noise, there might be better ways than even duct
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On Feb 16, 2005, at 5:22 AM, William T Goodall wrote:
I was thinking of Christians ;-)
Oh, *those* cannibals!
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(it is argued) makes it somehow sensible to discard
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out and killing others
just so they can eat them, or are you instead referring to the practice
of devouring an enemy slain in war, or do you mean the reverential
consumption of a family member after natural death as part of the
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amount of time watching Fox News
Channel?
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to him?
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Galactica.
Oh, right, I'm thinking of the Shadows.
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On Feb 14, 2005, at 7:25 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
At 11:04 AM Monday 2/14/2005, Warren Ockrassa wrote:
My recall of it's vague too, but I believe the centurions had only
one brain lobe and the Imperious Leader had three; there was a
two-lobed version that never appeared in the series as well
too.
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, sad or winking; I
*occasionally* prefer to leave people in the dark as to my intent,
allowing the cues in the text itself to act as tone.
My post can be read as wry, sarcastic, serious, what have you. Do you
honestly believe I'd advocate shooting spammers?
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Well i certainly did understand that you were tring to make a funny.
However Where im from if your making a funny... it had better be able
to be defended if challenged.
Huh; where I'm from that's called taking people far too
devices makes the whole thing a little
more grounded in what we like to think of as reality.
(Of course the lightspeed stuff is another matter...)
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).
Hmm. Someone get someone on the phone. ;)
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Z. France surrenders.
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life, I'm not sure how the Trek crew could avoid a hollowed out husk
of a movie. That is, if it's intended to be anything more than a
mindless action film.
You haven't seen the last few Trek movies, have you? Mindless action
film is a pretty good description for any one of them.
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get by with a cheap death in
his bed of old age (like most ranking officers), but
by saving the universe.
Well, that would have been OK too, but the construction around Kirk's
death was stupid. Really really stupid.
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it lie on the shelf and stay there
until some truly talented people come along and pick it up again.
Paramount is right. They have to kill Trek in order to save it.
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are, or like you do?
Um. Why the hell do I care anyway? I don't think I do. After trying to
like the first Tek war novel I gave up totally on Shatner's writing
abilities.
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On Feb 8, 2005, at 10:09 AM, Travis Edmunds wrote:
From: Warren Ockrassa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Feb 2, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Ronn!Blankenship wrote:
I read somewhere (maybe on this list) recently that satire is
[reportedly] specifically forbidden by the Koran . . .
Hmm. That would surprise me.
Why
On Feb 8, 2005, at 4:19 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I thought Ron Goulart ghost wrote the novels and Shatner cashed the
checks.
That's even worse. Because the novels really truly are unreadable.
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On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:26 PM, William T Goodall wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/3rtec
Fans are attempting to organise to pay for another season.
There are times when democracy is not a good thing.
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who you ask. ;)
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transfer MP3s (or whatever) a good deal faster than you
can translate a CD.
Of course, to do that you'd have to have an MP3 version of every
possible song ever.
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, and we all know
what *they* were famous for.**
God help us.
Um. Years ago I had a button that read, Dear lord, please protect me
from your followers. However, I'd appeal to something a little closer
to material reality for help. ;)
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is built so deeply into
the platform that it can't be removed without a top-down rewrite.
Eliminate Windows and you'll eliminate spam. As well as proximally all
viruses extant today.
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