[CTRL] Five (5) More Back Issues of the _Project_ Posted Sunday

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Ok, folks! Posted five (5) more back issues Sunday.

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Re: [CTRL] The Neocons Their Lies - The Man Behind The Curtain: Bill Kristol

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More
sensible than prematurely denying Iraqs weapons of mass destruction and calling Bush/NeoCons liars
as Max Shpak does in the following article would be to ask if Iraqs weapons of mass
destruction are now in the hands of Syria, Iran, and Terrorists BECAUSE of the US invasion of Iraq! After all, Iraq was known to have
various wmds in the past and strenuously resisted inspections to destroy them
in the past. It looks to me like the Bush Administration is setting-up
the peace crowd to look foolish when the truth is revealed or manipulated nearer
the election.



Clearly, Iran has learned from the
experience of Iraq and Korea that weapons of mass destruction, in place and ready to fire, are
the only means to prevent a regime change attack by the United States. Clearly, the United States must oust these so
called rogue regimes BEFORE the nuclear, gas, and germ options are in place
ready to go if Israels future is to be assured. 



Thus, it would behoove
the US to
exaggerate the immediacy of the wmd threat, but the US would have little need
to exaggerate the threat itself. The Muslim hard liners really DO HATE Israel and its sponsor the US. The Islamists
really do want to destroy Israel and the United States! They really do want and are attempting to obtain weapons of
mass destruction toward that end! Should the Islamist fail to obtain
workable wmds, Israel and the US will gradually or not so gradually destroy Islam!



 Peace
activists OUGHT to be pointing-out that we are fast approaching the point where
the SUN NEVER SETS ON AN AMERICAN DYING FOR THE
JUDEO-MASONIC-ZIONIST-ANGLOPHILE Empire! Peace activists ought to start
arguing about details manipulated in the mass media and question the big
picture . . . and propose the alternative: the much discredited ISOLATIONISM
of Americas past!




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http://www.etherzone.com/2003/shpa062003.shtml

THE NEOCONS AND THEIR LIES
THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN - BILL KRISTOL

By: Max Shpak

It should come as little surprise that weeks after a war that was sold to the
public on the grounds that proponents of the war knew that Saddam Hussein
had Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs), they are nowhere to be found.
Because the self-styled Mideast warriors at various neoconservative propaganda
rags assured the public that there was indeed hard evidence of these
WMDs existence, common sense implies that they, or at least their
sources, knew where they were and would surely be able to find them well over a
month after the invasion. The fact that nobody is able to do so now proves
beyond a shadow of a doubt that the neocons were then as throughout their shady
careers feeding lies to the American public.

When it comes to the countless overblown claims made by the neocons to
propagandize their war against Iraq, it
should come as no surprise that the Emperor has no clothes. The neoconservative
litany of lies and distortions over the past few years contains enough material
to fill several encyclopedic volumes (perhaps one day such a set of volumes
will be published as a how too guide for the self-styled Ilya
Ehrenburgs of the future). Elsewhere I have
discussed some of the past hypocrisy, rhetorical sleights-of-hand,
half-truths, and outright lies that have surrounded other neoconservative
crusades, from the first
Gulf War to Kosovo to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I have also
discussed the fact that the public, and for that matter much of the
self-congratulatory watchdog media, are utterly numb to the fact
that neoconservatives habitually lie. Indeed, the mass media organs and their
eager viewers still seem ever ready to swallow the newest batch of swill
produced by the Kristols and Frums of the world without the slightest hindsight
or concern about their past deceptions.

Where the neoconservative program of deceit has taken a new and interesting
angle this time around is the way in which they are handling the (minimal)
extent of discussion and revelation surrounding their nonexistent evidence
for Husseins WMDs. Knowing perfectly well that they were the
agent provocateurs behind these claims, the neocons have quickly moved to cover
their flank by effectively pinning whatever blame there might be on those they
swindled. Its a strategy all shysters use: find a willing dupe and
junior partner for your scam, and then when the effort fails, pin all of the
blame on unwitting assistant.

In his effort to nip any criticism of WMD lies at the bud, William
Kristol began his self-exculpatory memo with the claim We shouldn't
deny, those of us who were hawks, that there could have been misstatements
made, I think in good faith, Weekly Standard editor Bill

[CTRL] EU/WTO Threatening to Ban Dietary Supplements -- Conspiracy vs. Your Health Gains Steam

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By John C. Hammell, President
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Currently
under consideration in Europe is legislation that will severely
limit a consumer's right to choose and use supplements. If this legislation
becomes law it will be a major step towards the adoption of global standards
for the regulation of dietary supplements, as is being worked on at the UN's
Codex Alimentarius Commission. Since the U.S. is part of this process and is a
member of the World Trade Organization, the U.S. could be forced to harmonize
its vitamin laws with these new, highly restrictive international standards.

In an
effort to stop this punitive legislation, the Alliance for
Natural Health, an organization based in England is planning to file an
emergency lawsuit on behalf of consumers, vitamin companies and health food
stores to overturn the EU Food Supplements Directive which became law on June 10, 2002. The Food Supplements Directive currently concerns itself only with vitamins
and minerals. However, by the year 2007 the European Union will be obliged to
provide detailed proposals to expand the law to cover all other types of
nutrients. Eventually this will force vitamin companies to reformulate their
most important supplements. Although the 13 key vitamins would be permitted,
the Directive excludes the most bioavailable forms of vitamin complexes. For
example, The Food Supplement Directive bans any chelated or other organically complexed
mineral forms such as selenomethionine. Additionally, it will only allow the
alpha-tocopherols of Vitamin E but excludes the complete tocopherol range as
found in nature (including the lambda-tocopherols) which are far more effective
as antioxidants than the simpler alpha-tocopherol group. Research has proven
that many vitamins and minerals are most bioavailable when in the forms found
in nature. Unless the current Directive is overturned, many of Life Extension
products will be banned, and the Foundation will be forced to either cease
selling particular products in Europe or will be forced to reformulate their
scientifically balanced products. . .

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[CTRL] David Rockefeller vs. Israel [Pro Muslims/Arabs] OIL!

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Part of the
longstanding _Project_ theory of geopolitics, is that the Vatican and
Rockefellers routinely line-up against the Judeo-Masonic Anglophile cabal
(NeoBritish Empire). . .the Vatican for its preference of faith based society vs
"Modernism," to say nothing of their long-standing war with the Jews,and
the Rockefellers for their long-standing alliance with Saudi Arabia to control
the world's oil resources. We find this confirmed below in David
Rockefeller's recently published _Memoirs_:

Page 494:
[Epilogue]

". . .It was only
with time that I began to understand the connection between the terrorist
attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and the failure over a period
of almost 50 years to resolve the dilemma of the Middle East. President
Nasser's 1969 warning to me about the "growing instability and radicalism"
throughout the region resonated strongly. Despite efforts by people of
good faith on all sided, this dangerous cancer has never been excised, and it
now threatens the stability and prosperity of the entire
world."

Of course, the "only
with time" part is a lie [unless old Rocky is already senile], but note that
this Rockefeller statement is in direct oppostion to the Zionist propaganda
barrage (now politically correct) that the the Arab-Israeli conflict is only a
small part of the motivation of the terrorists!

Note further that it
was old David who tottered-out during the impeachmentcrisis to welcome and
introduce Bill Clinton to a CFR meeting where Clinton spoke. Also recall
Clinton's several visits to the Rockefeller vacation spot in Aspen.
Clinton was clearly a Rockefeller tool as evidenced by his luke warm enthusiasm
for the crusade against Iraq and terrorism and, most important, for his
opposition to the Likud in Israel. Clinton intervened directly in Israel
elections trying to defeat the Likud.

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Re: [CTRL] Falwell's follies

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Rev. Falwell told CBS' Bob Simon: I think Mohammed was a terrorist. I
read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide] that he was a
violent man, a man of war. In my opinion, Jesus set the example for
love, as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite example.

How about trying to deal with the substance of the above. . .?  Islam
was founded as a tool of Arab tribal warfare and then later served as a
tool of Arab Imperialism!

That kind of thing does not appear in the New Testament though the Old
Testament is rank with it!  As did Moses is an idiot add-in to pacify
the Jewish community!

Lloyd Miller, Research Director, A-albionic
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Subject: [CTRL] Falwell's follies


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From URL @ bottom

Falwell's follies

Bill Berkowitz - WorkingForChange

10.16.02 - What do civil libertarians, gays, feminists, pro-choice
advocates, pagans and Muhammad have in common? Within the past year or
so, they've all felt the verbal wrath of the Rev. Jerry Falwell. For
years, the Rev. Falwell's message of hate has been mostly a domestic
matter. His recent remarks on CBS' 60 Minutes calling Muhammad a
terrorist, however, caused an immediate international commotion.

Last year, shortly after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center
and the Pentagon, the Rev. Falwell told Pat Robertson's 700 Club
audience that . I really believe that the pagans and the abortionists
and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying
to make that an alternative lifestyle... all of them who have tried to
secularize America. I point the finger in their face and say, 'You
helped this happen.'

Besieged by critics and perceived as being pretty damned nasty, the Rev.
Falwell became apologetic. Well. sort of. A few days after teeing off on
the laundry list of his life-long enemies, Falwell claimed that his
comments were made during a theological discussion on a Christian
television program [and they] were taken out of their context and
reported, and that my thoughts -- reduced to sound bites -- have
detracted from the spirit of this time of mourning. Like the politician
who tells a racist joke and then claims he didn't know he was being
recorded, Falwell claimed his words were meant only for Christian true
believers, and not for the public at large. That excuse doesn't change
the nature of his comments.

Falwell: 'Muhammad was a terrorist'

Flash forward nearly 13 months: On the October 6th edition of 60
Minutes, the Rev. Falwell told CBS' Bob Simon: I think Mohammed was a
terrorist. I read enough by both Muslims and non-Muslims, [to decide]
that he was a violent man, a man of war. In my opinion, Jesus set the
example for love, as did Moses, and I think Mohammed set an opposite
example.

In short order, with critical comments against him mounting both at home
and abroad, Falwell claimed that he was a victim of sound bite
journalism - the real culprit was that Satanesque excuse for a
journalist, Bob Simon.

The Rev. Falwell is no victim. His situation is in no way comparable for
example to the time Connie Chung ambushed Newt Gingrich's unsuspecting
mother and got her to say some nasty stuff on network television about
Hillary Clinton. The Rev. Falwell is television-savvy; he's been a guest
on more television programs in a year than most all other religious
figures will appear on in a lifetime. On his website, the Rev.
frequently informs the faithful of his upcoming talking-head schedule.

Playing the I was tricked card, the Rev. Falwell told WORLD, the
weekly evangelical news magazine, that he should have known that CBS
would use the comments to stir up conflict and animosity. It wasn't
that his comments were hateful, the Rev. seemed to be was saying. It was
the fact that CBS would use them that was the problem.

According to Marvin Olasky, World's editor-in-chief, Falwell said that
Simon had called him back once the uproar began, fishing for more, and
that he had complained about CBS extracting from 1 1/2 hours of
interview tape that divisive side remark. 'I believe you exploited me
and took advantage of me as a person,' he told Mr. Simon, who quickly
got off the phone, Olasky reported.

Olasky rushed to Falwell's defense, and in his World column he declared
Simon to be a bigot. Olasky claims that the segment on 60 Minutes
was meant to focus on Christians and Israel, not Islam, but Mr. Simon
in passing asked Jerry Falwell if he thought Muhammad approved of
violence, and Mr. Falwell fell into the trap. CBS then promoted 60
Minutes with the 'terrorist' sound bite, in full knowledge that it was
incidental to the thrust of the piece. The evident goal: Hype the
program, build the audience, and never mind the lack of context.

Shooting off his mouth

Re: [CTRL] Case-Mortality Increases with Smallpox Vaccination

[Lloyd Miller]

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Case-Mortality Increases with Smallpox Vaccination

Yeah, but what about the total number of cases?  If we were
to take this article seriously, then we should still be ravaged
with smallpox every year...also, the stuff about the 1840's
is totally irrelevant...they used live vaccine back then.

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http://www.mercola.com/1999/sep/26/was_smallpox_vaccine_really_a_great_succe
ss

 .htm

 Was Smallpox Vaccine Really A Great Success?
 By Roger Schlafly, PhD

 The use of vaccines to prevent and eradicate diseases like smallpox is
 supposedly one of the great successes of modern medicine.

 The Philippine Islands provide us with the most striking information on
 record that with much vaccination there is also much smallpox.  Since the
 taking of the islands by the U.S., every attention had been paid to the
 perfecting of sanitation. But not content with this, their Public Health
 Service has seen to the thorough systematic vaccination of the population,
 adding thereto a considerable amount of serum inoculation.

 An American paper published in 1922 reported The Philippines have
 experienced three smallpox epidemics since the U.S. took over the Islands,
 the first in 1905-06, the second in 1907-08, and the third and worst of
all
 in 1918-19.  Before 1905 (with no general vaccination) the case-mortality
was
 about 10%.  In the 1905-06 epidemic, with vaccination well started, the
 case-mortality ranged from 25-50%.  During the epidemic of 1918-19, with
the
 Philippines supposedly almost universally immunized against smallpox by
 vaccination, the case-mortality averaged over 65%! These figures can be
 verified by reference to the Report of the Philippine Health Service. The
 statements are accompanied by, The mortality is hardly explainable. To
 anyone but a Philippine Medical Health Commissioner, it is plainly the
result
 of vaccination. The highest percentage of mortality, 65.3%, was in Manila,
 the most thoroughly vaccinated place in the Islands; the lowest percentage
of
 mortality, 11.4%, was in Mindanao, where, owing to religious prejudices of
 the inhabitants, vaccination had not been practiced as much as in most
other
 parts of the Islands. Vaccination had been forced on Mindanao since 1918
in
 the face of this direct proof that their people were safer without it, and
 with the result of a smallpox mortality increase to above 25% in 1920.  In
 view of the fact that sanitary engineers had probably done more in Manila
to
 clean up the city and make it healthier than in any other part of the
 islands, vaccination actually brought on the smallpox epidemic in spite of
 the sanitary measures taken to promote health. It is certain that over ten
 million vaccinations for smallpox were performed in the Philippines from
1905
 to 1917.

 In England and Wales, free vaccination was provided for smallpox in 1840,
 made compulsory in 1853, and in 1867 orders were given to prosecute
evaders,
 therefore, few escaped vaccination. Deaths from smallpox in England and
Wales
 during 1857-59 was recorded at 14,244; in 1863-65, 20,059; and 1870-72,
 44,840.  Between the 1st and 2nd epidemic, there was only a 7% increase in
 population with an increase of smallpox deaths by 40.8%.  During the 2nd
and
 3rd epidemic a 9% increase of population with an increase of smallpox
deaths
 of 123% with an ever-multiplying number of vaccinations! Deaths per year
from
 cancer in England and Wales between 1857-72 also began to rapidly
increase.

 Professor of the Athenian Faculty of Medicine, Leon Grigorski said We are
 ourselves creating the diseases, and we are heading toward general
 cancerization and mental defectives through encephalitis, by the use of
 vaccines. Upon limiting access to information the medical-industrial
complex
 is able to maintain its authority mystique.  Isolation is a well-known
 technique of brainwashing.  Choices that challenge the position of the
 authority are limited and often times hidden.  Because the intellect
learns
 by comparison, when it is presented with only one point of view or other
 points of view are denigrated, it loses its capacity to discriminate and
 ultimately its capacity for fully rational thought.

 Dr. Joyce Marshall, N.D.,Ph.D.

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[CTRL] LaRouche No Nazi!

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Calling LaRouche a NeoNazi is a libel.  He has always
been and is anti-Nazi.  As LaRouche is not a libertarian
there a vast number of positions that he takes which I
oppose, but I have read his literature since the early
1970's and never seen a single thing that would identify
him as a Nazi.  Chip Berlet's nonsense about calling
LaRouche a Nazi is concocted out of the whole cloth.

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 Hold on there, Dale. Larouche is a self-proclaimed anti-semite. Calling
him
 a neo-nazi is no huge leap of the imagination. You call my opinions
 convenient labels, But they are just that: my opinions. You seem to have
 no trouble expressing your own(religious fanaticism is Bad, it's Bad.), so
 don't get too self-righteous if I do the same. My dog is stupid, she comes
 in from outside and shits on the floor. She really is stupid, convenient
 label or not. Some things deserve a label and I believe that LaRouche is
 indeed a FREAK! And Mary, go ahead and reread the article again and again;
 memorize it for all I care. It still won't be anything but garbage.

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 Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 07:19:49 -0500
 
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   -Original Message-
   From: ashley Abraham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 2:31 AM
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   Hey William,
   Why is it that you keep posting crap from or about Lyndon
   LaRouche? Are you
   a Neo-Nazi? He's a total freak and I can't imagine any sane
   person giving
   him his/her attention.
   Ashley
  
 Ashley,
 
 There may be a lot of things you can't imagine; none of them require your
 belief to exist, however.
 
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Has McVeigh admitted involvement in the bombing yet?

Explained his motives?

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 McVeigh Wants Execution Broadcast
 
  The Associated Press
  Saturday, Feb. 10, 2001; 8:13 p.m. EST
 
  OKLAHOMA CITY -- Convicted Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh wrote
  in a
  published letter that his execution should be broadcast publicly.
 
  In a letter published in The Sunday Oklahoman, McVeigh questioned the
  fairness of limiting the number of witnesses to his execution. The
  Federal
  Bureau of Prisons is considering a closed-circuit broadcast to
  accommodate
  survivors and relatives of victims.
 
  "Because the closed-circuit telecast of my execution raises these
  fundamental equal access concerns, and because I am otherwise not
  opposed to
  such a telecast, a reasonable solution seems obvious: hold a true
  public
  execution - allow a public broadcast," he wrote.
 
  McVeigh, 32, is set to be executed May 16 by injection at the federal
  penitentiary in Terre Haute, Ind.
 
  McVeigh's attorney, Rob Nigh Jr., confirmed that McVeigh wrote the
  letter
  and is serious about broadcasting his execution.
 
  "He is in favor of public scrutiny of government action, including
  his
  execution," Nigh told the newspaper.
 
  About 250 people who survived or lost family members in the April 19,
  1995,
  bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building have asked to see
  McVeigh's
  execution, but only eight seats are available for witnesses on behalf
  of
  victims.
 
  A national broadcast is not an option, bureau spokesman Dan Dunne
  said.
 
  "It hasn't been considered. It won't happen," Dunne said.
 
  Closed-circuit television has been a part of McVeigh's legal process
  from
  the start. His Denver trial was shown to bombing victims at an
  auditorium in
  Oklahoma City.
 
  In McVeigh's Feb. 1 handwritten letter, he wondered who would be
  considered
  for watching his execution.
 
  "It has ... been said that all of Oklahoma was a victim of the
  bombing. Can
  all of Oklahoma watch?" he wrote.
 
  He also complained in the letter about the limits put on his witness
  list.
  McVeigh can have six witnesses, including one spiritual adviser, two
  lawyers
  and three adult relatives or friends.
 
  McVeigh would be the first federal inmate executed since 1963. He
  dropped
  all appeals in January and has until Friday to seek clemency from
  President
  Bush.
 
  The idea of televising executions is not new in the United States.
  Several
  states, including Oklahoma, have allowed relatives of murder victims
  to
  watch executions on closed-circuit television.
 
  In 1994, former talk-show host Phil Donahue tried to get permission
  to
  televise the execution of murderer David Lawson, but was denied by
  the North
  Carolina Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court.
 
  McVeigh will not make a legal push for a public execution, but Nigh
  said he
  supports the idea.
 
  "If it is our collective judgment that capital punishment is a
  reasonable
  response to crime, we need to come to grips with what it actually
  is," he
  said.
 
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[CTRL] Giuliani Nerve Gassing New York at Behest of Drug Cartels??!!

[Lloyd Miller]

d and completely innocent man,
Amadou Diallo, was justified. This is the same Mayor who has
the media so intimidated at his press conferences that few
reporters will even dare to ask him a real question. This is also the
same Mayor who has had me falsely arrested on 40 different
occasions for comparing him to Hitler yet seems determined to
emulate Hitler in virtually every policy and action.

"Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our
enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas?"
-- Joseph Stalin

Ultimately he’s our Mayor and as such is our employee regardless
of who he thinks he’s working for. If he truly plans on being the
last elected Mayor of New York City, the time to start doing
something to stop him is long overdue. Like a strong disinfectant,
the glare of media exposure is the surest way to rid ourselves of
this toxic pest. We must pressure every newspaper, television and
radio station to cover this story honestly beginning right now.

They can start by giving accredited experts in medicine and public
health who oppose this spraying a public forum, side by side with
the Mayor’s apologists. They can start by daring to confront him
at Monday mornings’ press conference with the Chem-bio
Handbook that bears his name. They can begin doing what the
founders of this nation saw as the media’s role of protecting the
public by disseminating facts and opinions of a wide diversity
rather than giving out the narrow and officially approved version
of events that Giuliani and Co. feed them in the daily press
disinformation conference.

The media can still be a hero in this matter. If not, they will have
deserved the fate dictators like Giuliani have in store for them,
and we the people will have to take matters into our own hands.
Ultimately, every dictator in history had his downfall. This one’s
time is long overdue.

Robert Lederman 10/9/99

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[CTRL] No More Bill of Rights

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: [smashthestate] Great Article


This is a great article.


  Sunday, October 03, 1999
  Copyright © Las Vegas Review-Journal

  COLUMN: Vin
  Suprynowicz

  I watched the Bill of Rights dying last month


   Last month, I watched the Bill of Rights dying. I
don't
  know if anyone else noticed; it's been on its deathbed so
  long that most folks don't even go visit anymore.
After a pleasant evening speaking to the Karl Hess
  Club in Marina del Rey, my return flight to Las Vegas
  had been abruptly canceled by America West the night
  before. So I found myself approaching the security
  checkpoint at Terminal 1 of LAX at 6:10 a.m.,
  preparing to catch the 7:56 to Vegas.
I pushed my carry-on bag through the X-ray
  machine, submitting to its scan of my personal effects
  despite the fact neither the airline nor the airport
  administration held any warrant to search them, nor even
  offered me any probable cause.
But was that enough? Not last Tuesday. As my bag
  came down the belt, a tall, sleepy-eyed young man with
  a shaved head and an ill-fitting blue blazer, standing on
  the other side of the conveyer belt, asked "Sir, do you
  mind if I search your bag?"
I replied: "Actually, I do mind. I do not consent to
  any search of my bag."
The young man acted as though I had not heard his
  question. "Sir, do you mind if I search your bag?"
"Yes, I do mind. I do not grant my consent for any
  search of my bag."
"Sir," he repeated, "do you mind if I search your
  bag?"
I still don't know how long this would have
  continued. Sensing that it was up to me to jog the needle
  on this trance-like broken record, I next asked, "Did
  you see something on the X-ray that looked like a
  weapon?"
"No sir," he admitted. "It's a random search."
"A random search?"
"A random search."
At this point, a bearded dwarf in a tweed jacket,
  looking for all the world like former Clinton cabinet
  secretary Robert Reich, appeared at my left shoulder,
  coming to the aid of my somnolent oppressor. "He can
  ask you to search the bag, and if you refuse, he doesn't
  have to let you continue," said this strange apparition,
  holding his own two suitcases and a plastic shopping
  bag.
"How is this any of your concern?" I asked the
  dwarf. "Do you work for the airline?"
"No," he smiled proudly, like an enormously
  self-contented bridge-player laying down the last trump
  card. "I work for the FAA."
"And you're on duty here?"
"No, I'm not. But I know about this," he smiled even
  more broadly.
"Then you must know the security directive says
  they should ask to see our photo ID, but it specifically
  goes on to say that if we refuse, they can not bar us from
  boarding" I said quite firmly, drawing the attention of
the
  sleepy-eyed fellow's lady supervisor, who now waddled
  over to join us. "So I assume it's the same with these
  'random bag checks.' That's why they ask for our
  permission, right? If they don't need our consent, why
  keep asking for it?"
Astonishingly enough, at this point, the dwarf's
smile
  collapsed, and he turned and trundled away like a
  disturbed woodchuck.
"Sir," asked the tall young man, clinging to the
  security of his minimal training and apparently hoping to
  break the record of Paul McCartney, who once
  managed to find more than a dozen different ways to
  sing the eight words "Why don't we do it in the road?" in
  the same recording session, "do you mind if I check your
  bag?"
"Listen," I said, "I do not grant my consent, and
I'm
  not going to grant my consent. If you 

[CTRL] Fw: Waco Bomb Update II

[Lloyd Miller]

pt to kill people, a lot of people.

Since the purpose of my Waco-Bomb page was to
make a plausible case against the government, and
since I don't feel there is a plausible case in
this case regarding the bomb, the purpose of the
page has technically expired; but I'll leave the
evidentiary photographs up. If someone can convince
me that the explosion cannot have been caused by
the Davidian's own explosives stockpile, then
I'll put the page back up.

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/bomb.jpg

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[CTRL] AIDS slows world population growth

[Lloyd Miller]

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Genocide plot succeeding with little fan fare??

OTTAWA (AP) - The global AIDS epidemic is taking such a large toll in
Africa that it will measurably slow world population growth, says a
report by the Worldwatch Institute. The report reflects a change in
thinking by demographers. Previous studies concluded that AIDS would
not significantly affect global population. It was expected that
world population growth would slow due to an international effort to
provide better health care and family planning. But the spectacular
rise in African mortality rates has been a surprise. "This is new in
terms of its effect on world demographic trends," Lester Brown,
president of the Washington-based research organization, said in an
interview. "People are now talking about child-headed households
becoming common (in sub-Saharan Africa)." The report says some
countries, such as Botswana, South Africa and Zimbabwe, will lose one
fifth or more of their adult population within the next decade unless
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[CTRL] WACO: Evidence Shouts BOMB!

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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Date: Tuesday, October 05, 1999 12:32 PM

THE WACO BOMB PAGE IS BACK:

http://ian.goddard.net/wacorom2.htm

Careful measurement of the proper location
of the concrete room backed with a new webpage
(http://ian.goddard.net/measure.htm) showing
how it's done to satisfy one and all that it
is correct proves that my initial placement
was not more than roughly four-feet off, the
result being effectively nill... the blast is
decisively on top of the room, not coming from
behind it where a propane tank was located,
about ten-feet away from the room's rear wall.

I have also received many counters that allay
the skeptical concerns I cited, which I will
cover in subsequent messages. Observe that the
base of the stem of the fireball is about ten-
feet wide or more, which means that this is
NOT a thin jet of gas streaming from the valve
of an over-heated propane tank! Those who know
about these tanks tell me that an overheated
tank venting its contents would NOT produce
the explosive fireball seen. Also observe that
the fireball has carried debris up with it,
which is another phenomena not consistent
with gas being ejected from and escape valve.

I now feel embarrassed for having retracted
my declaration of proof of a military-grade
explosive going off. To be frank, there is
simply NO other phenomenon that could produce
the dramatic distribution of debris seen on
the inside http://ian.goddard.net/freezer.jpg
of the concrete room. Fire will not do this!
I hope people appreciate -- and forgive! --
my often-excessive efforts to be sure that
my analysis is accurate. I'm my worst critic!

The bomb theory is back and really is one of
the major issues of Waco, exactly what happened
in that utterly demolished room where the women
and children were hideously burned and mutilated?
The physical evidence cries out: A BOMB, A BOMB:

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[CTRL] Fw: Jim Keith: Conspiracy Writer Dies

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-Original Message-
From: ron [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 4:54 AM
Subject: Jim Keith


I certainly don't think it was suspicious but a lot of people are hoping it
was!
Here's the rundown from Jim's nephew:
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Subject: James Keith has passed away
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 1999 21:28:18 -0700

Hello

As some of you know James Keith broke his leg at Burning Man stepping off of
a three foot stage. Thinking it was just a severe sprain he went home and
tried to sleep it off. Realizing the next morning it was more he went to
Washoe Medical and was to be treated for a broken knee. This was to involve
surgery but was delayed to a problem with kidney function.

I spoke with him during the afternoon on Tuesday and he was in good spirits
but worried about the thought of being put under. His quote being "I have
this feeling that if they put me under I'm not coming back"

That night James went in for his surgery and around 8:10 PM a blood clot
released from his leg and I believe went to his lung and he passed away.

James leaves behind two daughters Aerika (13) and Verity (15).

Plans are not finalized for services. But they will be sometime this
weekend.


Thanks again for the order!

Ron Bonds









At 09:23 PM 9/28/99 -0400, you wrote:
Thanks for filling the order.  Yes, right after the I made
the order I found out that Jim Keith had passed away.

I assume there was nothing suspicious?  He seemed
too young
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Subject: Re: Purchase Order--Mothman Prophesies



Yikes!  You were really hard to findsomeone stole your old url?


Hi Lloyd,
we sold the name for MEGA bucks! So I changed it to illuminetpress.com. You
should have been notified. Sorry if I slipped up.

Will ship your books tomorrow.

Did you hear about Jim Keith passing away?

Ron





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[CTRL] Fw: WACO BOMB - EXTREME!!!

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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]



ABSOLUTE PHYSICAL PROOF THAT A MILITARY BOMB
WAS USED TO MURDER WOMEN  CHILDREN IN WACO:

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacorom2.htm

This is the most significant information you
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This is the most monstrous crime committed by
the Federal Government during the Waco siege.
A bomb used to murder women and children:

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[CTRL] Foolishness of Legalisms vs the IRS

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Finally!  Someone defines the foolishness of challenging
the IRS in court.

-Original Message-
From: Samuel E. Konkin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, September 25, 1999 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: CIA Mind Control


By Mises, Rothbard, and LeFevre!

I never thought I'd agree with Bolton, other than "a" and "the", but I
wouldn't change a word of this paragraph:

"Craig J. Bolton" wrote:

 Date:Fri, 24 Sep 1999 09:17:45 EST5EDT
 From:Virginia Cropsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 So I guess that it all comes down to a matter of faith, Virginia. As
 someone who has practiced law for about 16 years now and who has a pretty
 good idea of how government and the courts actually function,  I have an
 absolute faith that if you tomorrow came up with definitive proof that the
 16th Amendment was never really adopted, that it is contrary to every
 principle of constitutional law, and that there is absolutely no basis for
 not declaring it unconstitutional, that there would be absolutely no
 effect. You have confidence that some federal judge is going to say to
you:
 "Oh my God, Virginia has come up with the definitive citation! I now
 declare the income tax unconstitutional, require that the IRS be
disbanded,
 and all taxes illegally collected for the past 70+ years be returned to
the
 people. Thank you so much, Virginia, for saving us from tyranny through
 inadvertence."

 Craig Bolton

It should be copied and spread across the land(s) and e-scape and become as
famous as, "Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa
Claus . . ."

Good writing, Craig.

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[CTRL] Fw: WACO BEFORE WACO--Militarization of the Police-

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ims (about half the Waco dead were Anglo, the other half mostly
black, with some Mexicans and Asians)?

Very likely. If we fail to challenge this latest atrocity, even ghastlier
Wacos may lie ahead.


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[CTRL] GOLD DEPOSIT in East Timor!?? Kissinger Involved!??

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[CTRL] Fw: WACO: Women Children's Tomb

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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: WACO: Women  Children's Tomb



  What was a tank doing to the room where
  41 women and children died in Waco, Texas?

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The Concrete Tomb
(c) 1999 Ian Williams Goddard

In Waco, Texas, April 19, 1993, forty one women and children died in a
concrete room often called "the bunker" wherein they sought protection from
a tank and gas attack by the Federal Government on their home, the Mount
Carmel Center. The concrete room shall heretofore be called "the room."



The room was located directly below the central tower of the Mt Carmel
Center. In the following Forward Looking Infra-Red (FLIR) images we can see
that a tank has penetrated the Center directly in line with the room. The
FBI had intimate knowledge of the interior of the Center, and with bugs
inside, should have known where people were. The tank penetrates deeply
inside several times, headed directly toward the room (the bright area at
the rear of the tank is hot-engine exhaust).


The tank goes in and out several times, and goes in slightly deeper than
seen above. What is it doing? The tank, equipped with a large plow, is
invariably plowing demolished debris of the building and its interior
furnishings up against the front of the room, creating a large barrier of
hazardous debris in front of the door to the room, as we can see in this
illustration.



The autopsy report states that one person died of traumatic injuries
directly in front of the room. Some media reports suggested that the holes
made by tanks would facilitate easy egress from the building, but in fact,
as the illustration shows, the wreckage created by the tanks would do the
very opposite.

Plowing a large mass of debris directly in front of the door to the room
would serve only to impede escape, particularly for small children, from a
room that was shortly to become a fire-baked oven. The tank was creating a
death trap. Sealing the fait of the women and children inside the room even
further was the fact that the doorway had no door and by that time most
occupants should have been overcome by the knockout effects of methylene
chloride, the main CS-power carrier (see 7). The tank seen above even fired
CS gas while it was inside. With these facts in mind, the claim in the
Department of Justice report that the forty one women and children in the
concrete room could have escaped if they wanted to is a horrific farce.

COMING SOON:
Did A Bomb Kill People Inside The Concrete Tomb?

WACO HOLOCAUST

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[CTRL] Fw: A POSSIBLE FACTOR IN THE FT. WORTH SHOOTINGS?

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-Original Message-
From: APFN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Sunday, September 19, 1999 3:05 AM
Subject: A POSSIBLE FACTOR IN THE FT. WORTH SHOOTINGS?


HAARP Data for September 15

The following message from a respondent correctly points out that data
scale of the graph for the September 15 HAARP magnetic fluctuation
reading is only ONE-TENTH the scale for data in the displayed graph for
previous days.
http://skywatch.iwarp.com/texas/

We did NOT notice this, and this would tend to SOMEWHAT invalidate the
possibility HAARP transmissions were a factor in the Fort Worth
shootings--except for one very important point.

The September 15 chart DOES nevertheless indicate that strength of
HAARP's magnetic output WAS shifting widely and rapidly at this time;
which IS as we noted previously one of the hallmarks of mood and
mind-altering transmissions being broadcast. Also it's not possible to
tell from the September 15 graph shown just exactly HOW WIDE the
fluctuations actually were, as the scale does not extend as far as the
scale in the other graph.

NewsHawk Inc.

[CTRL] Fw: Conspiracy Theory Literature FAQ

[Lloyd Miller]

f Civilization, Staunton,
   Virginia, 1985a.
 * Mullins, Eustace. The Secrets of the Federal Reserve. Bankers
   Research Institute, Stauton, Virginia, 1985b.
 * Nichols, Preston B., The Montauk Project: Experiments in Time. Sky
   Books, Westbury, New York, 1992. ISBN 0-9631889-0-9
 * O'Brien, Cathy. Trance Formation of America. Reality Marketing
   Inc., Las Vegas, Nevada, 1995.
 * Perry, Roland. The Fifth Man. Sidgwick and Jackson, London, 1994.
 * Piper, Michael Collins. Final Judgement: the Missing Link in the
   Kennedy Conspiracy. Wolfe Press, Washington DC, 1995.
 * Reed, Terry and Cummings, John. Compromised: Clinton, Bush, and
   the CIA: How the Presidency was Co-opted by the CIA. Spi books,
   1994.
 * Quigley, Carroll. The Anglo-American Establishment, Books in
   Focus, New York, 1981.
 * Quigley, Carrol. Tragedy and Hope. Macmillan, New York, 1966.
 * Sanders, James. The Downing of TWA Flight 800. Kensington
   Publishing, New York, 1997.
 * Sitchin, Zecharia. The 12th Planet. Avon, New York, 1976.
 * Skolnick, Sherman. The Secret History of Airline Sabotage. ???
 * Still, William T., New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret
   Societies. Huntington House Publishers, Lafayette, Louisiana,
   1990. ISBN 0-910311-64-1
 * Sutton, Anthony C. Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution.
   Morley, Australia, 1981.
 * Sutton, Anthony C. Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler. Heritage
   Publications, Melbourne, Australia 1976.
 * Van Helsing, Jan. Secret Societies and Their Part in the 20th
   Century. Ewertverlag, Grand Canaria, Spain, 1995.
 * Vankin, Jonathan and Whalen, John. Sixty Greatest Conspiracies of
   All Time. Citadel Press, 1995.
 * Wilgus, Neal. The Illuminoids

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[CTRL] Letters From Ft. Worth Killer Point to CIA MindControl

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To Rumor Mill News Readers:

Matt Drudge obtained the following letters which were written by the man who
killed the people in the Ft. Worth church.

After reading the letters written by Larry Gene Ashbrook, I am convinced that
he was a victim of CIA mind control. I believe he was programmed as an
assassin. Each time one of these mass murders occurs, there are the tell tale
signs of mind control. The contolled media will never investigate this. We
must go around them and barage our Congressmen and Senators and demand that
they open an investigation into the goverment's use of mind controlled
"sleepers" as assassins and agent provocatuers. (Don't bother writing Senator
Dianne Feinstein, (D) CA, she has been covering up the mindcontrol operation
at Jonestown for 20 years now.)

CHURCH KILLER WROTE CRAZED LETTERS TO LOCAL PAPER

According to publishing sources, Larry Gene Ashbrook, the madman who
slaughtered seven parishioners at the Wedgwood Baptist Church Wednesday
evening, sent two letters to the FORT-WORTH STAR-TELEGRAM over the summer --
letters the paper plans to reprint in Friday editions!

The STAR-TELEGRAM'S Karen Rouse reports that the letters describe "bizarre
tales of encounters with the Central Intelligence Agency, psychological
warfare, assaults by co-workers and druggings by police."

Stephen Kaye, a city editor and one who received the letters, said on
Thursday that they contained "outlandish things", and described the letters
as "hard to follow."

"My immediate reaction was that there was not much we could do for him."

Ashbrook even came by the STAR-TELEGRAM's offices and visited Kaye -- who
described the killer as "the opposite of someone you'd be concerned about...
He couldn't have been any nicer."

The eerie letters, which are dated July 31 and August 10, were handed over to
the Ft. Worth police on Thursday.


TEXT OF LARRY GENE ASHBROOK'S LETTERS -- AS OBTAINED BY THE DRUDGE REPORT:


City editor Stephen Kaye
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
400 W. Seventh St.
Fort Worth, Texas, 76102
July 31, 1999

Sir:

I am interested in relating to you some events I have experienced. If these
events are true, then they would indicate a serious injustice against me.
Specifically: the denial of due process for me in the investigation of me as
a suspected serial murderer. I use the term -investigation- loosely. It was
not so much an investigation as it was a continuous intereference in my life
and employment for a period of possibly twenty years.

Three operative terms apply to this situation: First; rumor control, this was
one method by which those investigating me used to create problems for me:
Second: Psychological warfare, this was the general mode of of operation:
Third: Plausible deniability, the ideas those involved would proffer in order
to divert blame from themselves.

The first experience I had which became a clue to my future problems occured
in July of -79.- Soon after reporting to a deployment site with the U.S. Navy
squadron, I attended a social event. While there I was pulled aside by a
young man who was in that squadron and he asked me some odd questions. The
questions involved the murder of someone I had no knowledge of. The tone of
his questions became almost accusatory. This was the first of three similar
events which occured during my active duty with the Navy from -79- to -83.-
What I eventually began to wonder was if there were any reason for me to be a
suspect in any murder. As I now know, there were several abductions or
murders of young women in Fort Worth and Arlington during the -70s- when I
lived in the area.

After I moved back to Fort Worth in -84- the odd events became a major
problem in my life and occurred both on and off the job. The seriousness of
the events and the humiliation I sufered made it impossible for me to keep a
job.

The most pronounced situation began soon after I began work at the Photo-Etch
Company in

[CTRL] Texas Tragedy/Mind Control

[Lloyd Miller]

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http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/DallasMassacre.html

Texas Tragedy/Mind Control?
From: "NewsHawk Inc." Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: NewsHawk
Inc.

9.16.99 September Massacre-- Dallas/Fort Worth Location No Surprise

NewsHawk made public last month information given to us by a professional,
well-respected and highly-credible resident of Denver, Colo.

This information indicated that rumors were rampant within the goth
underworld of both Denver and Dallas/Forth Worth that a shooting massacre
was going to occur at a school in one of these locations sometime in early
September.

Our source in fact indicated that the Dallas/Forth Worth area, according to
his knowledge, was MOST likely to be the target location for yet another
horrifying episode of mass murder and mayhem, enacted by mind-controlled
"Manchurian Candidate" killers subjected to extensive 'MK-Ultra"-type
mind-manipulation techniques by rogue government intelligence agencies who
are beholden to globalist, New World Order power brokers.

On Wednesday, September 15, just before 7 p.m. (Central Time) one of
POSSIBLY TWO gunmen stormed into the Wedgwood Baptist Church in a quiet
middle-class neighborhood on the southwestern edge of Forth Worth. He
shouted anti-religious curses, tossed at least one pipe bomb up the isle of
the church and ordering his victims to "stay still" while he pumped a hail
of bullets into hymn-singing teenage worshipers in the crowded church,
killing seven people and himself, officials said.

So, it DIDN'T happen at a school; but it DID take place in a school-like
setting in which hundreds of teenagers were present; and once again, as at
Columbine, severe anti-religious/anti-Christian sentiments were expressed by
the shooter(s?).

Again the objective is to terrorize and stampede American society--in
PARTICULAR Christians, who have as a group so far been strongly AGAINST gun
control--into supporting more stringent gun control/registration laws in the
U.S.

No doubt this incident of mass murder was ALSO designed to both turn the
nation's attention away from the constantly unraveling Waco monstrosity AND
send a message to Texas officials that perhaps they can find something else
to do but force the Pandora's Box of Waco wide open.

No doubt this is a message to "Dubya" as well, who has been rather slow to
completely endorse severe, extensive gun control in either Texas or in the
nation, of which he hopes to soon be President.

We're sure Dubya got the message this time. Watch for him to show some
sudden support for restrictive gun control legislation in the VERY near
future.

Some "oddities"-- There are reports of another gunman or participant being
involved.

An unidentified firearm NOT belonging to the known shooter was found near
his body.

Thursday morning Forth Worth city official Pat Svacina made a peculiar and
rather troubling statement about the mass murder Wednesday night; saying,
"there are some indications that something may not be right."

And a BIGGIE: according to some reports ATF agents were on the scene at
Wedgewood Baptist within a few MINUTES of the outbreak of the shooting
(shades of Columbine!). NO WORD of pipe bombs having apparently been
utilized had yet been made public. WHAT WAS ATF DOING THERE?!

More inconsistencies, contradictions and irregularities will doubtless arise
in the hours and days to follow regarding this latest scripted, planned
staged and implemented covert government massacre.

More as the story develops.

John Quinn/NewsHawk Inc.

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] Rothschild/Economist; militas/weapons; Ft. Knox audit?

[Lloyd Miller]

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Evelyn Rothschild ran the Economist for many years...whether he was the
publisher or not, I know not.   Whether he still runs it, I know not.
"Publisher" is a technicality.  Evelyn
Rothschild's position at the Economist was well known public information.
Not a secret.
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I told someone that one of the Rothschilds published
The Economist magazine, and they told me, no, it was
someone named Pearson.  Does anyone know for sure who
publishes The Economist?  I recall being told on this
list that it was one of the Rothschilds...

OK, what was the deal about that milita article where
they had chemical weapons and nuclear weapons?  Any
opinions on that?  Are these people for real or are
they just agents of the govenrment?

And I recently saw part of a documentary on Ft. Knox
on The Discovery Channel.  The program showed a clip
of Phlip Crane in 1974, and he seemed to be satisfied
that there was gold in Ft. Knox.  The program also
claimed that there was an audit of Ft. Knox in 1996,
the result being that the U.S government claims Ft.
Knox holds $56 billion in gold.  Does anyone here
think the U.S. government has lied about the audit
(whether it be in regard to the audit taking place or
the just in regard to the amount of gold they said was
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[CTRL] Fw: WACO: FBI SET FIRE

[Lloyd Miller]

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From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]


The report at the following URL presents evidence
NEVER BEFORE SEEN on the Internet from the much-
discussed FLIR video taken over Waco, Texas.

http://users.erols.com/igoddard/wacofire.htm

This evidence, covered briefly in Mike McNulty's
award-winning documentary "Waco: The Rules of
Engagement" and corroborated by expert testimony,
establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that the
fire that engulfed the Mount Carmel Center in
Waco, Texas, was started by the U.S. Government.
This evidence is not being discussed on TV, but,
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[CTRL] Delta Force Gunfire! Fw: Waco: BIG NEWS! Drudge Report

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-Original Message-
From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, September 07, 1999 3:11 AM
Subject: Waco: BIG NEWS! Drudge Report



BIG NEWS from Drudge! Govt informant spills
beans on Delta Force shooting at Davidian's
home on the last day of siege, April 19,1993.
Waco cover-up appears to be in fatal collapse.
See my critical comments below Drudge excerpt:


===
X DRUDGE REPORT X MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 1999 21:30:00 ET
X

GOVERNMENT INFORMANT: DELTA FORCE INVOLVED IN WACO SHOOT-OUT

**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit DRUDGE REPORT**

WASHINGTON -- A former government officer has told investigators that
members of the secret Army unit Delta Force said they participated in
a shoot-out during the final assault on the Branch Davidian compound
in Waco, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The witness, according to congressional sources, has already named
names -- and will soon offer his account under oath!

The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the
Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one
top official scrambling for details.

FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source
divulged late Monday.

Developing...

Meanwhile, congressional investigators are growing convinced that
infrared film taken by an FBI surveillance aircraft at 9,000 feet on
the final day of the Waco standoff does appear to show U.S. armed
forces firing into the church compound.

"We are looking at the footage frame-by-frame... most of us have
grown convinced that it does show snipers unloading from the rear of
a tank," an investigator for the House Government Reform Committee
told the DRUDGE REPORT.


==
 END OF DRUDGE REPORT EXCERPT
==


  IAN: What bugs me is the claim that it was a
  shoot-out, as if Delta Force gunmen were under
  attack,  which smells like a last-ditch cover
  story wherein the Delta Force came under fire
  and were then forced to return fire. But the
  gunshots on the FLIR are coming from fixed
  positions from which the gunmen apparently
  do not move, indicating that they are not
  in the immanent danger of a fire-fight but
  casually firing at the building. If the Govt
  gunman closest to the building was under fire,
  why didn't the tank a few dozen yards away come
  to shield him and thereby allow his escape from
  gunfire? Furthermore, why would they even bother
  to establish close-to-the-building positions to
  get in a fire fight? Why not stay in the safety
  of the tanks?  The very presence of Govt gunmen
  close to the building and shooting at it from
  entrenched positions appears to support no
  theory other than that they were there
  with the intent to commit murder.

  Stay tuned for my own ground-breaking reports!

==
READ THE FULL DRUDGE REPORT, LOTS OF RED HOT
STUFF: http://www.drudgereport.com/matt.htm
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[CTRL] Fw: Re: Waco: BIG NEWS! Drudge Report

[Lloyd Miller]

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From: John Gaskins [EMAIL PROTECTED]


On Tuesday, September 07, 1999 12:05 AM, Ian Goddard
[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
...
 ===
 X DRUDGE REPORT X MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 06, 1999 21:30:00 ET
 X

...
 The development caused panic and confusion at the top levels of the
 Justice Department and the FBI over the holiday weekend, leaving one
 top official scrambling for details.

 FBI Director Freeh has demanded a full briefing, one agency source
 divulged late Monday.
...
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  END OF DRUDGE REPORT EXCERPT
 ==


   IAN: What bugs me is the claim that it was a
   shoot-out, as if Delta Force gunmen were under
   attack,  which smells like a last-ditch cover
   story wherein the Delta Force came under fire
   and were then forced to return fire.
...

What bugs me is that no one seems to smell the big, stinky "smear the
whistle-blower" rat that is so typical of the Clinton administration.
The answer to the question of why this evidence is surfacing after 6
years is very simple:  Get the head of the agency that was dropping the
dime on the big sell-out to the Chinese!  Look at the pattern.
Everyone who has ever spoken up about this administration has been
smeared and charged with trumped up offenses.  Hell, they couldn't even
replace the "at will" Travel Office employees without trying to make
them look like criminals!  And look what has been accomplished.  No
more stories about Chinese espionage, bribes in the form of illegal
"campaign contributions" or willfully negligent behavior relating to
nuclear lab security on the news.  Reno huffing and puffing and
posturing about her "responsibility."  Even the most sceptical of the
administration's critics so thrilled with the prospects of imminent
vindication that they, too, forget that they are dealing with the
political equivalent of a 3-card Monte dealer.

   Stay tuned for my own ground-breaking reports!
...

Then break some real ground.  Kudos to you for maintaining your
scepticism about the events at Waco, but don't let down now.  Remember
that if the administration admits to any wrong-doing, it's only to
distract us from something even worse.  And even then, any "admission"
is likely to be constructed in such a way as to blame the whole thing
on someone who has become inconvenient, or to take out a political
enemy.
Regards,

John[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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[CTRL] Anthrax Vacine Disaster!

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From: Jack Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED]



Dear Americans,

First of all I would like to thank Jack Koenig for forwarding this
important request to his mailing list.  Those concerned with the
forced Anthrax vaccine program among military personnel have worked
diligently for over a year to bring the dangers and shortcomings of
this ill conceived program to the attention of congress.  Congressman
Shays has conducted several hearings on the safety and efficacy of this
program.  In addition to a web petition to stop this program located at:

http://www.e-thepeople.com/petition.cfm?PETID=194215  There are two
bills designed to stop the program that need support from all of us.

Many members of the military are ill following their being injected with
one of more doses of this vaccine.  Many are threatened into silence,
still others have testified in congressional hearings recently.  DoD has
gone to great effort to silence those military personnel who speak out
on the internet.  Some have had their posts to a mailing list on this
topic handed to them within hours by their commander, and threatened
with charges of attempting to incite mutiny, still others have literally
been told not to contact even their congressmen.

There is a wealth of information on this subject located at:

http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/cyberella/  For those who are willing to
help by signing our petition and contacting congress, please feel free
to forward this plea to the owner of all lists you may belong to and
others who may be willing to sign our petition.

A short statement from Major Thomas L. Rempfer below:

Thank you,
Gretchen Whitney
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Dear Americans,

Servicemembers worldwide are speaking out load and clear. Unfortunately,
it is through resignations and court-martials.  If the mandatory anthrax
vaccination policy moratorium legislation becomes law the bleeding of
our armed forces readiness will stop.  Servicemembers know the threat,
and are willing to serve our nation in light of these dangers.
Inoculations should be ceased, or made voluntary, until our nation's
leaders can offer a safe vaccine, or reevaluate the policy decision to
vaccinate against this infinitely dynamic form of warfare.
Servicemembers are doing their duty in  challenging this doctrinally
dubious policy which has manifested itself as a questionable order on
every level.  We respectfully request a review of this policy and your
support of a petition to encourage legislation proposed by our
representatives in Congress.

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[CTRL] Public Access to Federally Funded Research Data

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From: Jack Koenig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: Sunshine Needed!


I have been asked to forward the following important information.

Jack

ACTION  ALERT -- Immediate Action Needed
   Comments must be filed by Friday September 10th.

Most of you are already familiar with the controversy over public
access to federally-funded research data. In a nutshell, Senator
Richard Shelby (R-AL) inserted a two-sentence requirement into P.L.
105-277 last fall that permits public access to federally-funded
research data under FOIA guidelines.

Eagle Forum supported the Senator Shelby requirement, and
submitted comments earlier this year when the OMB issued its
initial proposed regulations. Sunshine is a disinfectant, and public
access to such data minimizes corruption, mistakes, and fraud
concerning such data.

For example, the tragedy of the rotavirus vaccine would never have
happened if the public had access to the data used by the FDA and
CDC in recommending the vaccine. I have been studying the reports
and have concluded that the FDA and CDC ignored and concealed
data that showed the problems from the outset.

The Shelby Amendment, if properly implemented, would ensure that
federally-financed research about vaccines could not be withheld from
the public. Ultimately this rule should be extended to all data on
which the government makes vaccine policy decisions, including
privately-funded research data as well. This would greatly improve the
integrity of vaccine policymaking.

Although 55% of the commenters to OMB indicated their support for
the Shelby amendment, OMB has now issued new proposed
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[CTRL] Hi Tech Political Control Exposed by European Parliament

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Everyone should study this in detail.   EU blowing whistle or telegraphing
plans for tyranny?

http://cryptome.org/stoa-atpc.htm

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[CTRL] Fw: RITALIN NAZISM

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A question of ethics...

ARGUMENTATION PURPORTING THAT THE
LONG-TERM COMPULSORY USE OF RITALIN
BY CHILDREN VIOLATES ANTI-NAZI LAW:

The Nuremberg Code was written to
protect All People from the types
of crimes against humanity committed
by the Nazi regime. The Nuremberg Code
states that in medical experimentation
"voluntary consent of the human subject
is absolutely essential." The Code also
states that such consent must be obtained
"without the intervention of any element
of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-
reaching, or other ulterior form of
constraint or coercion..." [1]

Let's observe how the long-term use of
Ritalin by children (given to millions
of kids to make them more obedient in
school) can violate the Nuremberg Code:

LONG-TERM RITALIN SAFETY  EFFICACY
IN CHILDREN IS STILL EXPERIMENTAL

The manufacturer of Ritalin (Novartis)
states in their current package insert:

 "Sufficient data on safety and efficacy
 of long-term use of Ritalin in children
 are not yet available. ... Long-term
 effects of Ritalin in children have
 not been well established." (1998)

This means that long-term use of Ritalin in
children is still in the experimental stage
and conforms to the definition of "medical
experiment": a tentative medical procedure.
Furthermore, data is gathered by the FDA on
adverse effects of approved drugs in order
to monitor for potential health hazards,
which constitutes an ongoing drug experiment
in which all drug-using patients are subjects,
which is a major part of the long-term data.

Long-term use in children is also ALWAYS
a test, or experiment, per child to see
if Ritalin continues to suppress or begins
to cause other forms of harm to the child.
(Research suggests that long-term Ritalin
use could be associated with brain atrophy,
psychiatric disorders, and stunted growth.
It should also be noted that in medical
research the phrase "long-term" can mean
anywhere from three weeks to three years.)

RITALIN USE BY KIDS IS INHERENTLY COERCIVE

As Peter Breggin, MD, has established, [2]
many-to-most children don't like and don't
want to take Ritalin. This indicates that
children are being coerced to take Ritalin.

Even if a child offers no resistance, the
conditions for obtaining consent stipulated
in the Nuremberg Code can still be violated
by the very nature of a child's powerless
subordination to the rule of adults, which
clearly constitutes an "element of force."
(An aside: the Nuremberg Code also states
that a subject must "have legal capacity
to give consent," which no child has).

ERGO: since long-term Ritalin use by children
is experimental, and since it always will be
experimental for each individual, if Ritalin
use by a child is coerced, however subtle that
coercion may be, this constitutes involuntary
human experimentation that is a violation of
the Nuremburg Code, and as such, it constitutes
a crime against humanity. Millions of children
in US schools are likely victims of such Nazism.
   _
   [1] The Nuremberg Code (see requirement number 1):
   http://www.med.nus.edu.sg/phar/sgcpp/nuremburg.htm
   [2] "Talking Back To Ritalin," Peter Breggin, MD.
   See chapter 5 "'They Never Like The Medication'"
   http://www.breggin.com/prbbooks.html or library
   Side Effects of Ritalin Everyone Should Know:
   http://www.breggin.com/ritalinbkexcerpt.html
   This article on Ritalin will be posted here:
   http://www.erols.com/igoddard/nazi-rit.htm

   -- copyright 1999 Ian Williams Goddard --


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[CTRL] Fw: [apfn] Waco's Little Rock connection + Clinton's Waco Connection

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activity within the site is at a minimum, listening
Devices planted during previous penetrations provide this data.
[APFN: LISTENING DEVICES INSIDE MILK CARTONS]

0400 HOURS) the HART units have located all the occupants and eliminate
No less than four BD sentries including one in the tower, via silenced
9mm weapons (9mm 147 grain subsonic bullets were used) all were clean
Head shots as trained.

0500 HOURS) incendiary DEVICES ARE PLANTED IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS,
ALL TIMED TO IGNITE AT 1150 HOURS.

0600 to 0630 HOURS) The engineering vehicles start their destruction of
the compound. The BD's panic their sentries had not alerted them (they
were dead), upon locating the dead sentries, the five BD's encounter on
HART unit, a small shoot ensures with two BD's killed. This not being
planned the HART team withdraws, as the BD's retreat to the center of
the building. This was originally thought to be BD's firing on the
engineering vehicles, such was not the case. As David Koresh attempts
to consolidate and regain control of the situation, the remaining
HART unit kills him with a clean shot to the forehead... slightly to
the right of the center line. The BD's are essentially leaderless
from this point with the few remaining "mighty men" trying to
coordinate some resistance.

0700 HOURS) The effects of the gas are taking their toll, messages
are waved on banners from windows in the tower to re-establish the
telephone line. Two of those raising that banner are shot, their
bodies found later around the tower rubble. The BD's unable to
maintain control the situation withdraw to the center of the building,
knowing, the doomed they start to pray for guidance,

0800 HOURS) No results from the CS2 teargas seem to be evident, the
FBI order the engineering vehicles to flood the compound further and
with additional force to deeper building penetration. The results
gain deeper penetration but in doing so they flood the building with
propellant used to push the CS2 gas. The propellant is propaine,
realizing this, order are given to remove the ends of the building
to disperse the propane. The remaining HART penetration has been
trapped between the BD's and the fallen derbies the might explode
and surely the HART unit.

0900-1000 HOURS) The propane has been cleared to some extant,
additional CS-2 teargas is ordered in. Again being unfamiliar
with the driver system of the gas, propane is reintroduced for a
second time. However winds are now up to 25 MPH allowing for it
to disperse or collect in dead air pockets though out the building.

1100 HOURS) The BD's are now succumbing to the gas, the children are
showing signs of distress and being chemically burned.. The Israeli
gas mask they have are falling, their filters clogged and unable to
filter additional gas. No one has thought to distribute extra filters.
They are confused, nauseated, burring from the Teargas, disoriented.
Still pray for guidance, their leaders are dead.

1130 HOURS) The FBI realizing their penetration team has run out of
time, the can not get to the children, the team can't get to the
incendiary devices to put them off. The FBI orders the engineer
vehicles to tear a hold in the area of the penetration team the
response is too late.

1143-1150 HOURS) As the engineers vehicle attempts to extract the HART
team, several of the team members attempt to disarm of the closer
incendiary devices however it goes off prematurely, this is observed
and reported to an FBI observation teams. The HART team barely manages
to escape, as the other devices go off.

1200 HOURS) The fire is well established in several areas, the propane
propellant accelerates the process, trapping the BD's with rivers of
flaming propane gas near the communications room as they attempt a
futile effort to reestablish a phone link. The CS2 gas reaches flash
point in some areas and spontaneously ignites, this in () chain
reacts with the Kerosene an Coleman fuel stored throughout the building.

1230 HOURS) trapped confused as a few members succumb to the smoke, the
remaining BD's press their weapons to their heads and pull the trigger
rather that burn to death.

1300 HOURS) Helicopters are orders to "seed the site," original evidence
will be rare and virtually worthless if it existed at all. The FBI
orders
"cover your ass" plans, and start introducing "throw down" evidence from
various untraceable sources. It's all over, It's Miller time and it's
time to go home to momma, "Job well done!"


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[CTRL] 30 Ships Below TWA800

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Date: Saturday, August 28, 1999 6:47 PM
Subject: 30 Ships Below TWA800



  THIRTY SHIPS IN OCEAN BELOW TWA FLIGHT 800 CRASH

   (c) 8/28/99 Ian Williams Goddard

   RADAR data from the NTSB pertaining to the TWA
   Flight 800 crash that was recently acquired by
   independent researchers and Insight magazine
   was presented yesterday at a press conference
   seen on C-Span and reported by UPI. The newly
   acquired RADAR data does these three things:

   (1) RADAR data supports claims of significant
   Navy activity close to the Flight 800 crash.
   The RADAR shows some 30 boats/ships within 30
   miles of the crash that move around 30 knots,
   consistent with large Navy ships. Most of the
   ships move in group formation in or toward the
   reported-to-be active military-warning zone
   W-105. RADAR also reveals a plane flying above
   those 30 vessels that makes sharp u-turns and
   powerful accelerations in an odd back-and-forth
   flight pattern, as if engaged in some exercise.

   Aerospace Daily (8/28/96) reported that, while
   warning zone W-105 was active, Navy officials
   claimed "a ship never checked in to use it."
   Now, RADAR reveals for all to see that many
   Navy-ship-like vessels did in fact occupy the
   warning zone. Not only should no non-military
   vessels or aircraft be in an active warning zone,
   but no vessels or aircraft fit the profile of
   the activities revealed by the RADAR data better
   than military vessels and aircraft. The RADAR
   evidence (plus witness accounts of Navy ships)
   clearly indicates that the official claim that
   the closet Navy ship was 185 miles away from
   the Flight 800 crash must be a false claim.

   Consider further that FBI spokesman James
   Kallstrom admitted that some of the vessels
   below the Flight 800 crash were in fact "Navy
   vessels that were on classified maneuvers"
   (http://www.erols.com/igoddard/coverup4.htm).
   It seems that about 30 ships fit that profile,
   yet none aboard have spoken publicly about the
   spectacular view of the crash they could have
   had. The Navy also had a wargame called "Global
   Yankee '96" scheduled in the area at the time
   (http://multipull.com/twacasefile/newsfour.html),
   and yet the official Navy claim remains that the
   closet Navy ship to the crash was 185 miles away.

   FIRO Report: http://flight800.org/flotilla.htm

   (2) The RADAR data refutes the claim made by
   the CIA and the NTSB that the plane climbed
   sharply after the initial event, looking like
   a rocket to witnesses. This is because the
   RADAR data shows that the ground-speed of the
   main fuselage sharply INCREASED after the
   initial event, where as, due to gravity, the
   ground-speed of the jet would DECREASE if it
   starting climbing as the CIA claimed. So the
   RADAR data is in conflict with the official
   scenario. At the following webpage you can
   see this in a report written by Tom Stalcup,
   Research Assistant and doctoral candidate in
   Physics at Florida State University and head
   of FIRO (Flight 800 Independent Researchers
   Organization): http://flight800.org/radar3.htm

   (3) The RADAR data proves that significant
   evidence about activity around Flight 800 was
   withheld from the public and was released only
   after the efforts of independent researchers.
   It also draws into question how the CIA and
   NTSB could produce the crash-trajectory
   simulations that they did with the RADAR data
   that they had. You can even see the significant
   discrepancy between primary RADAR returns for
   the main fuselage and the NTSB simulations shown
   side-by-side in NTSB Exhibit 22C, pages 17 and 23:
   http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/ex_22C.pdf
   _
   INSIGHT: "New Radar Data, New Questions" 9/20/99:
   http://www.insightmag.com/articles/story4.html

   UPI: "Group has new look at TWA 800 crash" (8/27/99):
   http://news.excite.com/news/u/990827/17/politics-twa800


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Re: [CTRL] NATO

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 At the 
height of the Clinton Impeachment frenzy, David Rockefeller introduced and 
sponsored a Clinton speech at the Council on Foreign Relations. Clearly a 
signal to all those beholding to the Rockefeller array of 
Corporate/Banking/Foundation interests to oppose the impeachment. This was 
at the same time that leading newspapers accross the country were advocating 
resignation on their editorial pages. 

 The 
Rothschilds, on the other hand, as leaders of the Queen's Empire of the City of 
London financial nexus, were supporting the attacks on Clinton. Remember 
that, as noticed by Hilary Clinton and others, the ammunition for the vast 
Right-wing conspiracy was usually first aired in London publications, many 
controlled by the Rothshilds. Evelyn Rothschild is head of the Economist, 
for instance.

 The Rockefeller patronage of 
Clinton at the CFR has been widely reported, but I would like the best 
references to filecan anyone help?

Bob, 
 Could it be Clinton is a 
tool of David Rockefeller and the Rothschilds groups? Seems to me, they are 
the ones behind the scene in most of what happens in the world today. Maybe 
we should direct our anger toward them instead of their 
puppets.
John Lee

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Re: [CTRL] Nonsense! No Vatican Conspiracy Possible?

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I think you misunderstand our theory.  Of course, only the US has the power
to rule the world...and does!  However, a detailed study would indicate that
various elites compete behind the fraud of Democracy  to control US policy
and thus the world.

It is very clear that the Vatican competes in this process through various
of its arms including the Jesuits, Sovereign Military Order of the Knights
of Malta, etc.

Your gross, primitive dismissal seems silly!

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Subject: Nonsense


Pls stop sending your nonsense about any Vatican conspiracy.  That's all
bullshit.
Only the US has the capability to take over the world.  So fuck off.


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[CTRL] j] Vatican Supported Balkan War? A-albionic vs Paranoia

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Bnd, 264 pages, Order # $45.00

Anyone have any inside information on the following quote from Lusar,
an apparently well informed officer in a Nazi technical unit about German
wartime technological advances:

"Flying saucers have been whirling round the world since 1947,
suddenly turning up here and there, soaring in and darting off again at
unprecendented speed with flames encircling the rim of the saucer's disc.
They have been located by radar, pursued by fighters and yet nobody so far
succeeded in establishing the existence of such a "flying saucer" or
managed to ram or shoot one down. . .Experts and collaborators in this
work confirm that the first projects, called "flying discs", were
undertaken in 1941.  The designs for these "flying discs" were drawn up by
the German experts Schriever, Habermohl, and Mieth, and the Italian
Bellonzo.  Habermohl and
Schriever chose a wide-surface ring which rotated round a fixed,
cupola-shaped cockpit.  .  . Within three minutes they climbed to an
altitute of 12,400 m. and reache a speed of 2,000 km/hr in horizontal
flight(!).  It was intended ultimately to achieve speeds of 4,000 km./hr.
. . . existing models were destroyed but the plant in Breslau where Miethe
worked fell into the hands of the Russians who took all the material and
experts to Siberia, where work o these "flying saucers" is being
successfully continued. . .Schriever escaped from Prague in time;
Habermohl, however, is probably in the Soviet Union, as nothing is know of
this fate. The former designer Miethe is in the United States and, as far
as is known, is building "flying saucers" for the United States and Canada
at the A. V. Roe works. . .Years ago, the US Air Force received orders not
to fire at "flying saucers".  .  . diameters of 16, 42, 45, and 75 m. and
speeds of 7,000 km/hr.  In 1952, "flying saucers" were definitely
established over Korea and Press reports said they were seen also during
the NATO manoeuvres
in Alsace in the Autumn of 1954."


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[CTRL] Fw: Son of Sam on the Larry King show

[Lloyd Miller]

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-Original Message-
From: Kansan1225 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 11:12 AM
Subject: "Son of Sam" on the Larry King show


  Last night Larry King of CNN presented a one-hour interview with the
convicted serial killer David Berkowitz, a.k.a. "Son of Sam".

  Berkowitz stated very clearly that he committed the murders while
under Satanic influence.  He admitted (again) that he had been involved in a
Satanic cult and other cult members accompanied him in the commission of
the crimes.  The CLuM puppet Larry King steered the conversation away
from this topic, but anyone, who knows anything about the case, is familiar
with its Satanic aspects.

  Berkowitz also said that he has finally found peace by accepting Jesus
Christ as his Savior, another topic that "Larry King" (another fake, made-
up CLuM stage name) avoided.  Berkowitz did seem content, accepting his
prison sentence, and trying to help fellow prisoners through mental
counseling and evangelism.


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Re: [CTRL] BRITISH MONARCHY JEWS of AMSTERDAM

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Dear Yair Davidi:

I cannot recall calling you an Establishment agent.  If I did, I should
have made it clear that I would suspect you only of being an unconscious
agent.

I would think you would be "controlled" via an especially acute morphic
resonance with your social organism facilitating the transmission of memetic
messages from the Royal Family of Great Britain.

I continue to read much of your material with interest and good will.
-Original Message-
From: yair davidi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Robert Happy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: BRITISH MONARCHY  JEWS of AMSTERDAM


The following notice was sent to me. It speaks of the possibility that
the Israelite Identity movement (of which Brit-Am is one version) is all
part of a "conspiracy". The ideas are similar to those expressed by Lloyd
Miller
(A-Albionic research) in the past. In my opinion all these "conspiracy"
people are a little
"crazy" and even (in some cases) driven and backed by negative forces.
Nevertheless every now and again they come up with insights and bits and
pieces of information
that may be valuable.
Two close friends of mine are addicted to conspiracy theories so I
occasionally
renew my acquaintance with them.

Lloyd Miller also has interesting ideas and information on occasion.
He once said that Yair Davidy is a secret agent of the Establishment.
This was news to me. It was so secret even I did not know about it.
If true, it was also good news. Being an agent means that all those years
of deprivation and sacrifice in which I conducted research under diffficult
circumstances were to be remunerated. It was not to be merely a labor of
love. Being
an agent means that I am on somebody's payroll. Somewhere there should be a
check
waiting for me. I only have to go to the HEADQUARTERS and ask for my salary.
Unfortunately nobody can tell me where these headquarters are.
My address is well known but no  body representing an "establishment" has
sent anything.
Maybe they are unaware that I am an agent of theirs?
Maybe I should ask Lloyd Miller to inform them?
Maybe Loyd Miller would give me an advance since he is the only one
who seems to know about my "employers"? If Lloyd Miller would give me say a
$1000
I would sign over to him whatever my establishment "employers" are going to
pay me.
Lloyd Miller would have a bargain and I would have a $1000!

All jokes aside I am re-posting what was sent because it is interesting.
The ideas expressed in this conspiracy tract are mostly untrue  but it is
worth the while of those
interested in this subject to know that such ideas exist.
I am re-posting it in full and adding short comments.

At 06:19 PM 8/21/99 -0700, you wrote:

Shalom Mr. Davidy,

I was asked to forward the following to anyone who might
have supporting evidence or a rebuttal statement. Any
response from you will be forwarded to those who sent
the message to me. Thank you.

Robert


Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:24:00 -0400
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:  [CTRL] British monarchy  Jews of Amsterdam, Bank of
England,
  CFR, RIIA

-Caveat Lector-

excerpts from: http://www.zolatimes.com/V3.6/bofe.html

Dave Hartley


"The doctrine of British-Israelism and the Lost Ten Tribes was
intended to forge a political alliance between the British
monarchy and the Jews of Amsterdam, through a merger of the
Arthurian Imperial tradition with Cabalistic interpretations of
the Hebrew scriptures.

Henry-viii, Elizabeth-i, and Oliver Cromwell did have sympathetic relations
with the Jews
of Holland. Henry-viii appealed to Jewish authorities on the Bible when
he made the break with Rome.

The Jewish authority who backed him was one who believed
in the return of the Ten Tribes though he did not necessarily identify them
with the English.
But he risked his life and position to help Henry.
The legends of King Arthur in part where influenced by Jewish legends
about King David and Moses.


What had happened was that after the expulsion of the Jews from
Spain in 1492, some of them went East to the Ottoman Empire -
the Islamic world being at the time more religiously tolerant
than Christendom. Within Europe itself many of the Jews moved to
Italy, particularly Venice, while other Jews and marranos
migrated from Spain and Portugal to Amsterdam.

The Jewish merchants and bankers of Amsterdam were seen by the
British Monarchy as desirable allies in the financial and
political war with Spain, as well as in the spiritual war with
the Vatican. Amsterdam thus became the springboard for the
return of the Jews to England, from which they had been expelled
in 1290.

To forge ties between Jewish merchants and British Imperialists,
John Dee created the concept of British-Israel,

John Dee did go (as an agent of Elizabeth-i) to consult with the Maharal
of Prague who was the foremost Jewish authority in his ti

[CTRL] Fw: FTalk: [Fwd: LACKEYS FOR THE FEDERAL LEVIATHAN by James Bovard]

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[CTRL] Banker$ and Generals: Economic Interests Behind the Yugoslavian Conflict

[Lloyd Miller]

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Our name was taken in vain the subject article by Al Hidell which
appeared in _Paranoia:  The Conspiracy Reader_ Issue 21, Fall 1999 (page
28), PO Box 1041, Providence, RI, 02901 [$20.00/year]:

"The A-albionic conspiracy research group takes the LaRouche viewpoint a
step further.  In their view, Britain is indeed a major force working for
world domination.  However, they believe that there is another force
battling Her Majesty behind-the-scenes:  the Vatican.  In the case of the
Balkan conflict, it is interesting to note that the British are on the side
of war, while the Vatican has repeatedly condemned the violence."

Lloyd Responds:"Al Hidell" has it totally wrong on this one!  The
Vatican has not condemned the Balkans conflict other than to urge peace as
usual!  When one compares the Pope's shrill condemnation of the Gulf War (no
blood for oil) backed-up by his US Bishops shouting the same, one can only
presume that the Pope supports the Balkans war as a chess move in his Europe
from the Atlantic to the Urals [EU] program and the Church's long-time
rivalry with and desire to dominate the Eastern Orthodox Church!  This
Virgin Mary obsessed Pope has long cherished the Fatima prophesy of
"converting Russia" to Roman Catholicism.   Further, the Balkans war
conforms nicely to the Pope's proposed alliance with Islam..."better a
Saracen than a Gnostic" or the geopolitics of "faith versus modernism".

Our analysis indicates that Britain switched sides in the Balkans mess
[under the cover of putting the Labor Party in power] in a Geopolitical
judo-move designed to array China and Russia against America.  The original
Bush-British policy was to support Belgrade in opposition to the
Vatican-German-EU policy of supporting Catholic Croatia and Islamic Bosnia.
After the Clinton victory in America, Britain's policy became untenable and
had to be abandoned.  Now, Britain in a clever judo-move is trying to induce
America and the European Union (EU) to over-extend and crash on the rocks of
a renewed anti-American block lead by Russia and China even while attempting
to enshrine NATO as the overlord of the EU.

It is very important to note that Britain was able to maintain its
anti-Iraq policy [supported by the Queen herself in an address to Congress
after the Gulf War] by the clever inside-outside strategy of supporting the
impeachment drive within America and offering the friendly hand of fellow
left-liberal Tony Blair in friendship from without.  In spite of a
disinclination and Vatican opposition, Clinton renewed and preserved the
genocidal hot/cold war against Iraq.

Hidell has a section head on page 28 that sums-up the essence of his
misconceptions:  "The US:  Dominated or Dominant".

Lloyd Responds:

Of course, the US is dominant as the only "super power" nation state.
The question should be, which social/economic power organs are dominant in
determining its policies at this time?

A-albionic thinks the Clinton Administration has primarily functioned at
the behest of the Vatican based on Clinton's Georgetown-Jesuit-CIA
introduction to world politics under the tutelage of Jesuit disinformation
and propaganda agent, the Irishman Carroll Quigley.  This situation was made
possible by the connivance of the Rockefeller interests which are the
long-time rivals of the Queen's "Empire of the City" financiers for world
domination of natural resources, international trade, governments, and the
major Corporations.

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[CTRL] Fw: Shocking Conspiracy Verification [NOT]

[Lloyd Miller]

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Was it Buford's Father at the Air Force Base?
-Original Message-
From: Ray Heizer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups:
alt.government.abuse,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater,alt.conspiracy
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: Shocking Conspiracy Verification [NOT]


JRW Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1] wrote:

 Forwarded Post:

 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DAVID GROSSACK)
 Subject: shocking conspiracy verification
 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 99 23:42:13 GMT


   Barry Chamish is a journalist who tackles tough stories.

   He isn't afraid of anything.

   His latest exploration appears to enter the terrifying world of
 government mind control and its possible connection with the horrible
 atrocity in Granada Hills.

   Chamish has traced Buford Farrow's e-mail account through Lycos.

   It came back   [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   The provider is US Defense Information Systems Agency, Defense Data
 Network, according to Lycos. I printed out and saved the information.

   Buford Farrow appears to have a military intelligence connection.

   The Manchurian Candidate scenario looks accurate.

   It indeed may be a criminal regime we live under.

   This raises issues about Columbine and other high profile shootings.

   Something is very, very wrong.

   People with ideas and opinions about this should e-mail privately.


- -

-- Here's a bit more research on this matter from someone who took the time
to do a bit more digging:

From: Tom Acree [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: CAS: The USG's Furrowed Brow
Date: Sun, Aug 15, 1999, 2:34 PM

A quick comment on this NewsHawk piece;  it's what I see as a failing of
"Internet Journalism"-- an intelligent researcher working with inadequate
resources and jumping too quickly to conclusions:

On Sunday, 15 Aug 1999, Edward W. Zehr wrote:

 Slid over the transom while I wasn't looking:

[Snip of an interesting reminder that there are enough John Does running
around to form their own government employees union g.]

 8.13.99
 BUFORD FURROW HAS A MILITARY EMAIL ADDRESS!
 1999 NewsHawk Inc.

 Using the Lycos 'WHO/WHERE" search system for "BUFORD FURROW" we
 turned  up the following response, which reveals some VERY
 interesting  information about Buford Furrow, SUPPOSEDLY the mass
 shooter responsible  for maiming 5 at the Granada Hills, Cal.
 Jewish Center and killing a  mailman.

The wacko who shot the kids was "allegedly" Buford Furrow Junior.  His
father Buford Furrow Senior is retired from the US Air Force.  Wouldn't be
a big surprise if Senior's former e-mail address at McChord AFB was still
in the search engines.  Lots of military live here in the Olympia area,
which is in easy commuting range of McChord AFB and the army's Ft. Lewis.

Junior apparently lived with his parents for a few months not too long
ago, but that seems more related to his failing mental health than any
deep conspiracy.  One of Rush's recent substitutes (Hannity?), I think,
covered Junior's attempt to have himself committed in Seattle.  He was
afraid he was going to snap;  the hospital seriously didn't want him
around, particularly after he tried to knife a hospital employee
What's a poor looney got to do to get fitted for a straitjacket these
days, anyway?

NewsHawk did OK with the search engines, but should have dug a bit deeper.
Imho, the first name "Buford" is archaic enough that he or she should have
at least suspected there was a "Senior" running around somewhere.  (It's a
good name and all, but it could be rough to grow up with ;-).)

Regards to all,

Tom

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[CTRL] More on Buford Furrow

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Furrow, Buford (BF49)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   62 Communications Squadron/SCPR   Bldg 851, Room 211   McChord AFB, WA
98438
   (206) 984-2307 (DSN) 976-2307   Record last updated on 22-Jan-93.
   Database last updated on 14-Aug-99 04:04:43 EDT.

http://www.networksolutions.com/cgi-bin/whois/whois?STRING=NSC-McChord@DDN-C
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[CTRL] Fw: Furrow DISA Facts

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-Original Message-
From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, August 14, 1999 12:37 PM
Subject: Furrow  DISA Facts


Lycos WhoWhere? responce to a "Buford Furrow" search:
http://query1.whowhere.lycos.com/jwz/name.wsrch?name=buford+furrowmatch=exa
(thanks to Bob Anderson, who found this)

"Buford Furrow
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
E-mail Provider: United States Defense Information
Systems Agency Defense Data Network Program Office"

About Defense Information Systems Agency
(DISA): http://www.disa.mil/disahomejs.html

DISA MISSION (http://www.disa.mil/missman.html)

"To plan, engineer, develop, test, manage programs,
acquire, implement, operate, and maintain information
systems for C4I and mission support under all conditions
of peace and war."

"C4I" is a military intelligence operation:
Command, Control, Communications, Computer,
and Intelligence (C4I) Department
http://www.cio.usmc.mil/c4i/c4i.html

C4I operates under the United States Navy.
Read about the Navy School for Assassins:
http://www.think-aboutit.com/napa.html#9
http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon8.html

Is the Buford Furrow with the military
address above the same Buford Furrow
who went on a shooting rampage in LA?


GODDARD'S JOURNAL: http://www.erols.com/igoddard/journal.htm


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[CTRL] FBI Infiltrator Was Shooter's General at Aryan Nations

[Lloyd Miller]

ations, as it is
now with the Furrow case, Butler tries to distance himself and his white
supremacy organization.

"He tries to weasel out of any involvement in something like this," Reed
said.

"But Neal's definitely a member, trust me," he said. "You tell them that
General Reed remembers him well, because I had access to the files."

Reed, 48, now has a new identity and is living in a witness protection
program after 25 years of work as an informant in 300 outlaw biker and white
supremacy investigations.

He recently suffered a heart attack and was diagnosed with terminal cancer.


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[CTRL] Flight Controller on JFK, JR. Crash

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-Original Message-
From: Anonymous [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Friday, August 13, 1999 4:19 AM




http://www.sightings.com/politics4/garbage.htm

FAA Air Traffic Specialist
On JFK Jr Media Coverage -
"Nothing But Garbage"
By Edward A. Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
8-12-99


I am:

Edward A. Meyer FAA Air Traffic Control Specialist NY FSDPS (NY Flight
Service Data Processing System) Certified Pilot Weather Briefer
Facilities: NY Automated Flight Service Station La Guadia Air Traffic
Control Tower NY TRACON La Guardia Sector

Airline Transport Pilot Cerificate Commercial Pilot Certificate
Certified Flight Instructor 3000 Hours Total Flying Time 2000 as Flight
Instructor Six Students Recommended for Certification

As a specialist at the NY FSDPS:

I was asked (through intermediaries) by Jane Garvey, FAA Administrator,
to create a report of the weather conditions JFK Jr. was flying in. I
created such a report.

I have the following comments to make:

Nothing of what I heard on mainstream media makes any sense to me.

JFK Jr. had 100 flying hours and was flying a Piper Saratoga and
previously owned a Cessna Skylane and was enroute from Northern NJ to
Martha's Vineyard.

The statement makes no sense whatsoever.

FAA requirements for Private Pilot Certification is 40 hours. Most
pilots require twice that. Older students require even more flying time.

No student I have ever heard of requested complex aircraft time before
certification.

If JFK Jr. certified in 80 hours, he would probably seek ten hours of
instruction in the Skylane (which is a complex aircraft). He would also
be interested in some post certification "flag pole flying," getting
used to his airplane and flying his friends around.

With as much money as he had, he could certainly afford some instruction
in his Saratoga which is a far, far different airplane than a Cessna
Skylane.

He would also like some flag pole flying in his Saratoga to reduce the
"fear factor."

(Flying an airplane you are not used to can instill great fear, I assure
you.)

The whole thing adds up to a lot more than 100 hours.

The weather along his flight was just fine. A little haze over eastern
Connecticut.

Flying over water at night will eliminate any difficulty of restriction
to visibility... that is, all a pilot is going to see is pitch black
outside his cockpit whether there is haze or clouds. A pilot wouldn't
know if there were any clouds unless he or she would turn the landing
light on.

Last but not least, JFK Jr. was certified (therefore licensed) to fly
the flight. Any mention of "daring" or "inexperience" is absolute nonsense.

I don't know why the airplane crashed, but what I heard on the media was
nothing but garbage.

Ed Meyer ATCS ATP CFI-A


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Re: [CTRL] Gemstone

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Nope, Larry Flint published the Gemstones Files many many years after they
first circulated among conspiracy theorists.  Mae Brussel and S. Caruana
circulated 1000's of copies first.

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, August 12, 1999 10:07 AM
Subject: Gemstone


Hi:

For what it's worth, it was Larry Flynt who published the Gemstone Files in
"Hustler" Magazine.  It was 1977 or 1978.  I am not guessing here.  I just
wish I hadn't lost track of my copy.  If I was certain of the month, I would
try to order it.  Whatever.  It would be good to see him get credit on the
page, though.

JLK

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[CTRL] Fw: Hello (fwd)

[Lloyd Miller]

s stuff - he wa
only mad though when I tried to put it in my book, and they did sabotge
the Apollo and that is when he hit the roof.

What a mess.  Hve yu written any books?  Mine entield The Valley of
Hamon Gog (Premeditated Murder by Prophecy) and you would never dream
how paranoic thee people were over this all.

Colleen

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Granada Hills shooting (fwd)

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I have long suspected since the Patty Hearst fiasco that there is a top
secret National Security Dictatorship mind control group that is gradually
brainwashing America for total Statism via concocted "national dramas" by
using mind controlled zombies to act irrationally.  Obviously, we cannot
have a free society when there are so many lone nuts out there.
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Date: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 11:52 PM
Subject: Re:Fw: Granada Hills shooting (fwd)


Lloyd Miller wrote:

 3) the gunman was brainwashed by the "hidden government" to strike at
 this particular day care center, to piss off the Jews, who will then
 join
 in the national chorus to make guns illegal, and strip us of our right
 to
 bear arms.

 Take your pick...

 -- Dude --
 BFWhat do you make of this?

"I know nothing"-Socrates.

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[CTRL] Fw: L.A. Shooting: the cover-up begins !!!

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Date: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 2:19 AM
Subject: L.A. Shooting: the cover-up begins !!!


What's wrong with this picture ? :


Gunman Shoots Five At L.A. Jewish Center And Flees
Updated 12:07 AM ET August 11, 1999
By Dan Whitcomb

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A man opened fire with a submachine gun in a
Jewish community center Tuesday and hit five people, severely wounding a
5-year-old boy before escaping and evading hundreds of police aided by
dogs and helicopters...Authorities, who originally described the shooter
as
tall, young and wearing a black shirt, later changed the description to say
the
man was bald, about 40, wearing green clothing.


  ==

Five shot at Jewish community centerUpdated 11:28 PM ET August 10, 1999
By TERRI VERMEULEN

LOS ANGELES, Aug. 11 (UPI) Los Angeles police say a bald fortyish white
man with a large mustache walked into the lobby of a Jewish community
center in suburban Los Angeles and opened up with an Uzi-type automatic
assault rifle, wounding three little boys, a teenage girl and an elderly
employee before vanishing.In the early confusion of the shootings, the
assailant was described as a teenager, but Police Chief Bernard Parks, who
arrived at the scene with Mayor Richard Riordan, said the early description
was
incorrect.

===

 An *eyewitness* to the shooting described the assailant as a TEENAGER
wearing a BLACK shirt.
Why did the description of the gunman suddenly change several hours later ?
"Confusion" or cover-up?
Also, why are the FBI and BATF involved ? There are shootings and murders in
Los Angeles all the
time (sometimes involving children), but the FBI/ATF usually don't show much
interest. There are a
lot of very *odd* things about this caseI smell a rat!!!

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[CTRL] Fw: Granada Hills shooting (fwd)

[Lloyd Miller]

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A few moments ago, a lone gunman barged into a
Jewish day care center and shot five people, two
adults and three children. One of the children remain
in critical condition. The police are combing the area
looking for the shooter.

There are three possibilities:

1) the gunman was pissed off at the place, or someone who worked there.

2) the gunman was a right-wing bigot who hated Jewish people, and just
wanted to strike a blow for "white supremacy."

3) the gunman was brainwashed by the "hidden government" to strike at
this particular day care center, to piss off the Jews, who will then
join
in the national chorus to make guns illegal, and strip us of our right
to
bear arms.

Take your pick...

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[CTRL] Fw:

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Date: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 3:38 PM



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PRESS RELEASE

  Zapruder's Ties to CIA and Oswald; 16 Million dollars,  for what?

  Zapruder Arbitration Board member Kenneth Feinberg wanted to
attach: The Adamson Report; Zapruder/Bush and the CIA's Dallas Council on
World Affairs as an exhibit to the Zapruder Arbitration Report which has
paid 16 million for the Zapruder film.
"The question is should Abraham Zapruder (now deceased) and his
family be allowed to profit using the corporation LMH Inc. when the
Zapruder family belonged to the Dallas Council on World Affairs a CIA front
organization at the time he filmed the JFK assassination?  His son Henry
Zapruder, in 1963 was a lawyer for U.S. Department of Justice.
Ten years before the assassination in 1953 Zapruder had worked with
Jeanne Le Gon-de Mohrenschildt at the Nardis of Dallas clothing factory.
Jeanne would design the clothes while Zapruder would cut her patterns.
In 1964 the Warren Commission ruled that Jeanne and her husband
George de Mohrenschildt were Marina and Lee Harvey Oswald's closest
friends.  Not only did Le Gon and Zapruder know each other, they were in
1953 good friends with Olga Fehmer at Nardis of Dallas, whose daughter
Marie would become the personal secretary of Lyndon Baines Johnson's.  She
was on board Air Force One following JFK's demise.  The Fehmer family
attended Senator Chuck Robb's wedding to Lynda Johnson.
George de Mohrenschildt worked out of a CIA-trust building and was
exchanging letters with LBJ seven months before JFK's assassination and met
with LBJ on April 26, 1963 also on May 20, 1963, seven months before JFK's
demise.
With all of these connections one is left wondering why Zapruder
did not react for his own safety when he heard the gun shots?  The man in
charge of the CIA,  President Bill Clinton's own lawyer Robert Bennett
represented the Zapruder Family.  The Attorney General appointed Al Gore's
brother-in-law, Frank Hunger to represent our Government's interest in the
Zapruder case.  Hunger was removed after Adamson complained of the conflict
of interest.
George Bush Sr. was President and was responsible for signing into
law in 1991-92 The JFK Assassination Records Review Board Act.  George
Bush, Sr. has written a letter admitting that he knew de Mohrenschildt
since 1942.  Bush also knew LBJ, was involved with The Bay of Pigs
Invasion, FBI Director, J.E. Hoover and to the JFK assassination
investigation.  Believe it or not George Jr.,Sr. and Prescott Bush are all
three connected to Oswald's CIA pal George de Mohrenschildt.
If the public has a right to know contact me: Bruce Campbell
Adamson, P.O. Box 1103, Santa Cruz, CA, 95061-1103 (831) 465-9272, email:
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[CTRL] America: A Filthy Police State

[Lloyd Miller]

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Yes, of course, the post was not literally true.

However, it describes accurately how police
actually operate to enforce America's tyrannical
drug and gun laws.

Police use any correlation that works to search
without regard to the Constitution.

There is the greatest truth in the smallest jest!
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Date: Tuesday, July 27, 1999 1:13 PM



Last night, I received a story (part of which is repeated below) stating
that Illinois had passed HB 1921 into law.  This House Bill supposedly
authorized police to search vehicles simply because Led Zeppelin stickers
were on those cars.  Because it was sent to me as a true report and not as
an obvious spoof or parody, I researched it for accuracy.  Here is my
findings and analysis:

HB 1921 would have amended the Marriage and Dissolution of Marriage Act - if
it ever got out of Rules Committee (where it is now), got passed, and was
signed into law.

Only two bills regarding vehicular searches were proposed in Illinois this
past year.  Both of them would have limited what police can now do and would
not have taken away privacy of highway users.  Neither of the bills passed.

The section referenced in the Criminal Code does not exist.  Also, I have no
idea of what "ZOSO" means.

I cannot imagine either Attorney General Jim Ryan or Governor George Ryan
saying the things that were attributed to them.  That is one of the things
that tipped me off that this was probably a hoax.

You should be aware that this is a hoax.  I want to encourage you to notify
everyone to whom you sent the original message that this story is a hoax and
should not be taken seriously.

Sincerely,

George W. Tinkham
Assistant Chief Counsel
Illinois Department of Transportation
(217) 785-4281
-- 1st paragraph of hoax story
---

  SPRINGFIELD, IL--With the state legislature's passage of a bill last
  week allowing police officers to cite Led Zeppelin bumper stickers as
  probable cause for a vehicular search, Illinois became the 13th state
  to recognize classic-rock-related automobile decorations as grounds
  for waiver of a warrant.


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[CTRL] Fw: FBI Report: JFK, Jr's aircraft PROVES Bomb exploded - Carolyn waspregnant

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Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 3:04 AM
Subject: FBI Report: JFK, Jr's aircraft PROVES Bomb exploded - Carolyn
waspregnant


(sent to USCMike1's 33,502+ readers - please repost to your own mailing
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too - Thanks)

Dear Citizens, Patriots, Veterans, et al:

   Please read excerpts from the FBI report on the investigation of JFK,
Jr's
airplane crash and on the bodies.

Thanks to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for forwarding this post to me for you all
to read. And to Sherman Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] for authoring the
original post.


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Subj: [ThePentagonGuru] Skolnick: FBI Document: BOMB BLASTED JFK’s PLANE
Date: 7/25/99 11:32:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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FBI Document: BOMB BLASTED JFK’s PLANE

http://www.sightings.com/politics4/blasted.htm

WORLD EXCLUSIVE

FBI Document: BOMB BLASTED JFK’s PLANE

By Sherman Skolnick

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

7-25-99  NOTE - Sherman Skolnick will be Jeff’s Guest at 8 pm Pacific
tonight

What Happened to America’s Golden Boy - Pt 4

By Sherman Skolnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7-25-99

Excerpts from FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION

PRELIMINARY REPORT ON THE RECOVERY OF PIPER SARATOGA AIRCRAFT OF JOHN F.
KENNEDY, Jr.

1. No declassification until 7/22/2029.

2. This is in deference to the wishes of a senior member of the Kennedy
family.

3.  Also in deference to the order of the national government and in respect
to certain foreign intelligence agencies having reciprocal agreements with
the U.S.

4. POTUS order and national security findings attached.

5. The recovered aircraft shows evidence of an explosive device having
been glued or affixed within the tail luggage compartment.

6. Device was apparently actuated by a barometric trigger. Radio signals
not ruled out.

7. Tail of aircraft was dismembered from the plane making it front
heavy.

8. Study of radar shows the plane fell in excess of 6,000 feet per
minute up to radar cutoff.

9. Satellite images supplied by the National Reconnaissance Office
record an outbursting flash from the aircraft just prior to it going into
perpendicular descent.

10. Tail structure was dismembered just prior to descent.

11. Recovery of a piece of luggage from beyond the flight path of the
aircraft correlates with it being hurtled out of the tail luggage
compartment
at outburst.

12. Preliminary examination of the aircraft shows residue of an explosive
device the Laboratory identifies as being the type used by certain foreign
intelligence agencies. Refer to  POTUS order and findings.

13. Study of Air Traffic Control and other radio signals shows no Mayday
report from the aircraft, explained by rapidity of descent.

14. Investigation and examination has been strictly compartmentalized.

15.  A short, perfunctory examination of the recovered bodies was completed.

Examination revealed that Carolyn Bessette Kennedy was in third trimester
pregnant, the fetus a boy. The four bodies were transferred to a senior
member of the Kennedy family. The Bureau was not informed whether the bodies
were actually cremated. Indirect advisories report that the bodies may have
been shipped in untagged containers to foreign destinations.  Reliable
assets
are to submit reports.
  
For a heavy packet of printed stories send $5.00 [U.S.  funds] plus a
stamped, self-addressed BUSINESS sized envelope with three stamps on it, to
Citizen’s Committee to Clean Up the Courts, Sherman H. Skolnick,Chairman,
9800 South Oglesby Avenue, Chicago IL 60617-4870. Office: 8 a.m. to
midnight,
7 days, (773)  375-5741.

Recorded phone message (773) 731-1100. E-mail: skolnick@ameritech. net
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[CTRL] Fw: #7 - Latest info on JFK, JR. Assassination - possible motive -aconvenient death

[Lloyd Miller]

keep his
whereabouts discrete.  Pity, that like the American B-52 pilots who
triangulated themselves for the North Vietnamese communists with their
call
signs and landmarks during the war, and never made it home, JFK Jr.
didn’t
fly quite far enough below the radar, either.
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[CTRL] Fw: Fw: UPI-KENNEDY RADIOED VINEYARD AIRPORT!!!

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-Original Message-
From: Ian Goddard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Lloyd Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: UPI-KENNEDY RADIOED VINEYARD AIRPORT!!!


Ya, look at this from the UPI report:

"A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper
told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking
Friday night about the time of the crash and saw
"big white flash in the sky" off Philbin Beach."

If that was the plane, it wasn't any pilot error.

Source: UPI: "Kennedy passenger's luggage found," 07/17/99.

http://www.unitedstates.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?article=13873
http://www.unitedstates.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?article=13886
http://www.unitedstates.com/cgi-bin/articles.pl?article=13984

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[CTRL] Fw: Evidence of Conspiracy?

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Date: Sunday, July 25, 1999 5:42 PM



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from website (ciajfk.com)
Press Release
Set of George magazines Ebay # 135474272

To Whom It May Concern:

What possessed this writer to purchase set of George magazines?

Author Bruce Campbell Adamson purchased an entire set of George
Magazines for $300.00.  Adamson does not claim a conpiracy in JFK, Jr.'s
crash, but says he can prove that the CIA killed our President, John
Fitzgerald Kennedy.  Adamson has compelling evidence against Lyndon Baines
Johnson, Texas oilmen, Nelson Rockefeller, Henry Luce, Allen Dulles and
even George Bush, Sr.

Adamson challenges the media to address letters he has between
Bush, LBJ and Warren Commissioner and CIA Director Allen Dulles to CIA
agent George de Mohrenschildt and his brother long before the
assassination.  For those unexperienced in the JFK assassination the Warren
Commission labeled George de Mohrenschildt as Lee Harvey Oswald's closest
friend.  Adamson has even tied President Bill Clinton to the JFK Sr.
assassination, for his personal adviser Sidney Blumenthal's good friend
Edward Jay Epstein was the last person to visit George de Mohrenschildt on
March 29,1977 before placing a shotgun in his mouth to clear his conscience.
Two weeks earlier Billy Joe Lord filed a complaint against Epstein and his
writers for harrassing him with the FBI and suspected them of being CIA.
Lord was Oswald's roommate in 1959 when Oswald defected to the Soviet
Union.  George Bush Jr. employed Billy Joe Lord in his Midland, Texas in
1976 at the time the compaint was filed.  It is truly a very very small
world.

For more information please visit Adamson's website (ciajfk.com)
and tap on the
"JFK Assassination Timeline" and See Books buttons.

Adamson will not climb out onto the branch to say there was a
conspiracy in JFK, Jr.'s death, but will leave it to the experts to decide
if there was foul play.

Sincerely,

Bruce Campbell Adamson
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[CTRL] America: A Filthy Police State

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Think a police state might be here now?  What about that bumper
sticker on your vehicle?  Is it the next profile?

SPRINGFIELD, IL--With the state legislature's passage of a bill last
week allowing police officers to cite Led Zeppelin bumper stickers as
probable cause for a vehicular search, Illinois became the 13th state
to recognize classic-rock-related automobile decorations as grounds
for waiver of a warrant.

"We've known for years that there was a direct correlation between
the presence of a Led Zeppelin bumper sticker and the likelihood of
that vehicle containing a controlled substance like marijuana," said
DeKalb County Sheriff Ronald Bauer. "However, it wasn't until last
Thursday that it was within our power to act on this knowledge to
make a drug-possession arrest."

Illinois' action comes on the heels of the recent Supreme Court
decision that the Fourth Amendment guarantee against unreasonable
search and seizure does not require police to obtain a warrant if
there is sufficient cause to believe the vehicle contains contraband.

Following the top court's ruling, a number of states, including Utah,
North Carolina and Wisconsin, moved to specifically name Led Zeppelin
bumper stickers as a factor in determining whether to conduct
searches.

The decision, says Bauer, is supported by extensive data. Illinois
state records show that in 1998, there were 362 cases in which a
traffic-violation-related search of a Led Zeppelin-logo-adorned
vehicle was found to contain illegal drugs or such drug paraphernalia
as rolling papers, plastic baggies and metal pipes bearing a row of
four cryptic symbols.

Yet before the passage of HB 1921, ill-defined definitions of
probable cause have meant that an officer acting on this knowledge
was entering risky legal territory.

"This is exactly what policemen have been asking for for years," said
Bauer, who said the new law will precipitate a "considerable
increase" in the frequency of drug-related arrests of motorists by
Illinois police, especially in rural areas. "It used to be that if we
spotted a car with that crazy-looking wizard on it, we had to just
drive right past unless the longhairs inside were specifically doing
something illegal."

Illinois Attorney General Jim Ryan applauded passage of the bill.

"After the Supreme Court decision, it was just a matter of
fine-tuning our interpretation of 'probable cause,'" Ryan said.
"We've found that Led Zeppelin bumper stickers--or, for that matter,
just the sound of "The Immigrant Song" or "Livin' Lovin' Maid" coming
from an open window--is exactly the sort of smoking gun local
authorities needed to establish a baseline for assessing that
probable cause."

Ryan continued: "When it comes right down to it, though, prudent
officers have always, to a great degree, relied on common sense. If a
vehicle, especially a late-'70s American-made sedan with a vinyl top
and some rust, also bears a Led Zeppelin sticker, what are the odds
the driver is not in frequent possession of drugs or alcohol?"

Preliminary data seems to indicate that this logic is sound. In a
Monday-afternoon field test, state troopers detained 100 Peoria-area
motorists under the new Criminal Code 861.4/Section 8 (Probable
Cause/ZOSO).  Nearly 60 percent of the vehicles contained alcohol,
drugs or drug paraphernalia, and nearly all contained suspected
alcohol or drug abusers.

Rockford resident Doug Wojcek, charged Tuesday with possession of a
quarter-ounce of marijuana, was among those arrested under the new
law.

"I was minding my own business when some policeman pulls me over and
searches my glove compartment," said Wojcek, 36. "It was just like
when Robert Plant gets hassled by the cops in that one song 'Misty
Mountain Hop.'  Hey, what could I do?"

"This is bullshit," he added. "What about the kids with those Nine
Inch Nails stickers? No one is going after them."

Despite such complaints, Illinois Gov. George H. Ryan spoke out in
support of the law and advocated widening its scope.

"We might have to add provisions for the search of vehicles bearing
the Pink Floyd rainbow-and-black-prism, the Blue Oyster Cult symbol,
or maybe even the word Ozzy," said Gov. Ryan, noting that many other
states had already made these changes. "We cannot allow this law to
become discriminatory in practice. It must serve everyone equally."

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Re: [CTRL] Neo-British Empire of the Crown - 500 Year Chronology http://www.msen.com/~lloyd/oldprojects/prjframe.html

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In answer to your letter below:

I am familiar with "Dr." John Coleman's work.  Unfortunately,
I read it as it was written for articles first published in the World
Economic Review, published by James Warner.  There is no
reason to think Coleman was an ex-British Intelligence Agent.

It was extremely clear then that Coleman was simply cribbing
from Lyndon LaRouche and adding a right-wing Nationalist spin.
Never-the-less, there is a great deal of truth in Coleman's writing
as there is in the writings of LaRouche.

However, there is no truth in the Committee of 300 nonsense.
Walter Rathenau, the German Jewish Financial Minister for the
Weimar Republic and later assassinated by the Nazis, has stated
that 300 people control the fate of Europe.  This single statement,
quite likely true in and of itself, has been confabulated into a
"Committee of 300" by Coleman.  This does ruling class/conspiracy
theory a disservice.   More and more folks in the conspiracy exposè
movement are discrediting themselves by speaking of a "Committee
of 300" in the same breath with well document groups such as
the Trilateral Commission, CFR, Bilderbergers, and  Royal Institute
of International Affairs.almost as bad as otherwise credible folks
believing in the "reality" of "Report from Iron Mountain" or the "Protocols
of Zion".frustrating!

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Subject: Neo-British Empire of the Crown - 500 Year Chronology
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Hello James Daugherty,

   Greetings.  My name is Ben Emerson and I have just been
perusing your article whose title is mentioned in the subject line above.
It is very interesting and informative.  I have held for a long time that
the British have posed a threat to the sovereignty of the USA.  I had heard
about Committee of 300, British Round Table,
Milner's Kindergarten, Rhodes Scholarships, and other British
organizations/activities by which they want to reclaim the lost colonies of
their Empire, especially the United States of America.

I am a patriotic American and would want to help through any
legal means this eroding away of US sovereignty.  I have long looked for a
website that dealt with the various facets of this London-based conspiracy
and am glad to have stumbled across your website.

I live in Tennessee and am sad to say that Queen Elizabeth II owns land
in East Tennesse and horse farms in Kentucky.  The British have
so many companies with US operations, like British Petroleum, Holiday
Inn, Burger King, and US Air/British Airways.  It is terrible how the Brits
are trying to reclaim their lost American colonies, not so much militarily
as economically.  I understand that British troops often train at US
military bases (such as Fort Bragg, NC) and even are privy to our latest spy
technology such as at the FBI headquarters in Quantico, VA.

Well, James, in my next message I'll tell you more about myself,
including my religious affiliation.  It is good to know that there are other
people out there aware of this "British invasion" of the USA, especially as
orchestrated by the Committee of 300.  Have you ever met John Coleman, the
author of that book?

Please send a message back soon to

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Take care.  Thanks.

Sincerely,

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[CTRL] Fw: UPI-KENNEDY RADIOED VINEYARD AIRPORT!!!

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-Original Message-
From: Amadeux +ADw-Amadeux+AEA-NWO.org+AD4-
Newsgroups:
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Date: Friday, July 23, 1999 3:53 PM
Subject: UPI-KENNEDY RADIOED VINEYARD AIRPORT+ACEAIQAh-


Recipients--

Here is the UPI article which states that JFK Jr. WAS IN CONTACT with
flight controllers at Martha's vineyard Airport at 9:39 Friday evening,
July 16. The UPI article ALSO states that both WCVB-TV in Boston AND ABC
News reported the same CRUCIAL information.

Additionally this radio contact by Kennedy has subsequently been
confirmed through direct contact with airport personnel.

This extremely significant information is what is now MISSING from EVERY
SINGLE account of the event now being spewed by the robots in gutless,
miserable cloned mass media outlets.

THIS CRUCIAL INFORMATION HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE PUBLIC RECORD BECAUSE
IT UTTERLY INVALIDATES THE OFFICIAL BULLSHIT WE ARE BEEN FORCE-FED ABOUT
THE CAUSE OF JFK JR'S DEATH+ACE-

As I've stated time and again this crucial information PROVES that
seconds BEFORE Kennedy's plane went into a headlong dive there was not
the SLIGHTEST indication of the much-regurgitated garbage that pilot
error and/or mechanical malfunction (other than outright sabotage of a
critical component of the aircraft) were responsible for this headlong,
full-on nosedive to certain oblivion.

NEITHER such fictional pilot error NOR any standard mechanical
malfunction could POSSIBLY result in this craft dropping like a rock.

Kennedy was at that moment engaged in no unusual or troublesome
maneuvers. He had only SECOND BEFORE FINISHED HIS RADIO CALL+ACE-

He knew EXACTLY where he was not only in relation to the coastline but
also to the airport--10 miles from the coast and 13 miles from the
airport.

What's more, we have received additional confirmation from residents of
the Connecticut shore and Martha's Vineyard that visibility was
EXCELLENT in the area at this time--from 10 to 12 miles at least. In
such conditions it's ludicrous to think the Kennedy would not been able
to have seen at LEAST the GLOW from the many lights in the
well-populated Martha's Vineyard area at the distance he was, and thus
have been thoroughly able to distinguish direction in all senses of the
word (altitude).

The ongoing disinformation about poor visibility being the reason such
an inexperienced pilot (which he was NOT+ACE-) would get completely
discombobulated and fly into the sea is completely unfounded in fact.
The guy was hardly hundreds of miles out over the middle of
the Atlantic. Why then would he decide to land in the sea if he knew
where he was in relation to the land? Please... spare me.

Here is the pertinent text from about halfway through the UPI article.
This is the TRUTH... BEFORE the spin-doctors and manipulators got to work.

+ACI-At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13
miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to
WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach.

+ACI-Moments later, radar operated by the Federal Aviation Administration
showed the plane went into a dive and dropped 1,200 feet in just 12
seconds, according to ABC News.

+ACI-In his final approach message, WCVB-TV said Kennedy told controllers
at the airport that he planned to drop off his wife's sister and then
take off again between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. for Hyannis Airport.+ACI-


Other CRUCIAL information which has now been removed from all official
accounts is the fact that a NUMBER of witnesses on the beach at Martha's
Vineyard that evening INCLUDING a Vineyard Gazette reporter saw an
AIRBORNE explosion at this same time right in that area of the sky where
Kennedy was flying. I quote here the relevant text from the UPI article.

+ACI-A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston
that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw
+ACI-big white flash in the sky+ACI- off Philbin Beach.+ACI-

A report from about 3 PM on Saturday by Shephard Smith of FOX-TV named
another one of these witnesses--in fact a guest at the scheduled wedding
JFK. Jr. was due to attend AND a friend of Smith's producer at Fox.


Every single flight instructor Kennedy ever had as well as other
first-hand witnesses describe Kennedy as an extremely cautious and
safety minded pilot. He also had HUNDREDS of hours of experience, NOT
one hundred.

For example here's a quote from a CNN article in which a FEDERAL PILOT
EXAMINER who TESTED Kennedy's flying skills describes his abilities.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9907/18/BC-CRASH-KENNEDY-LICENSE.reut/index.html
ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) --
A federal pilot examiner who tested John F. Kennedy Jr.'s flying skills
said he was an +ACI-excellent pilot,+ACI- a newspaper reported Sunday

...+ACI-He was an excellent pilot,+ACI- John McColgan of Vero Beach, Florida,
told the Orlando Sentinel. +ACI-I put him through the 

[CTRL] Fw: Kennedy Plane Speed of Descent.........

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So it plummetted to the water faster than would be
anticipated.when is someone going to ask the obvious question:
Could it have been sabotage???

Lloyd Sez:  No!   We cannot ask that question.  More important than
a possible high level murder is discouraging the idea that high level
murders for political reasons could possibly happen!

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[CTRL] Fw: Was John John murdered by the Illuminati?

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From: Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy
Date: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 2:03 PM
Subject: Was John John murdered by the "Illuminati"?


Was John John murdered by the "Illuminati"?

We remember the little boy in a shorts suit saluting the
casket of his murdered father, and we are saddened to
realize the truth behind the current event regarding John
John Kennedy. His father and uncle murdered because they
bucked the plans of the Illuminati, the son has apparently
met with a similar fate.

We also know that his mother was also murdered before her
time, in a conspiracy including doctors who were convinced
that Jackie Kennedy could not be given the opportunity to
spill her guts before she died, and so she was
premeditatedly murdered by the murderers of her husband, and
their associates.

The apparent death of John John Kennedy is a terrible
national tragedy in which one family has lost its favorite
son, another family has lost two of their daughters, and a
twin has lost her kindred spirit. It seems that the death of
John John Kennedy leaves only one direct descendant left of
the family of President John F. Kennedy, and we warn
Caroline Kennedy about the possible fate that awaits her,
should she not take precautions to protect herself.

With the technology that we know exists out there in the
world, we assert that any disaster that occurs is a
controllable act which was somehow allowed to happen by the
Illuminati families. Thus, there are several suspicious
aspects about this tragedy which raise the following
questions;

1) After the travelers were reported missing, why was the
emergency locator transmitter (ELT) beacon which was heard
for a short time not considered as a primary lead in the
case and why was a search not immediately performed in the
area directly indicated by that beacon?

2) We know that there are satellites in orbit which have the
ability to track flights such as this, and which perform
that exact spying task on a regular basis. Why did not the
agencies that have access to that satellite technology not
funnel information about the flight to the appropriate
authorities?

3) After the missing travelers were reported, why was not a
search begun immediately afterwards, and why did it take so
long for that search to commence (7:30 AM Saturday morning)?

4) If the plane was tracked on radar as has been reported
(last reported radar tracking at 9:40 PM Friday night), why
was not that tracking information used to initiate an
immediate search in the area of the reported dramatic
descent of the plane?

5) Could that dramatic descent have been prompted by some
sort of unnatural disaster or invasive interference which
was perpetrated upon the Kennedy plane?

6) Since so many people are declaring and decrying a
"Kennedy Curse," why do not these same people consider a
proactive conspiracy of revenge as the real truth in the
matter?

7) Is it true that John John knew that he could run for the
U.S. Senate out of New York and then run for the U.S.
Presidency, and easily win both offices, and is it true that
he was organizing his future plans with this in mind?

8) Who is this "private pilot" Kyle Bailey who was
reportedly the last person to see John John alive in New
Jersey and who has seized upon this opportunity to propel
himself into the limelight, and then disappeared as quickly
as he came into the public eye, and what are all the
permutations and possibilities regarding his potential role
in this entire tragedy?

9) Why has this entire search and rescue operation been
executed as inefficiently as it has, why did search of the
suspected areas take so long to initiate, and why has so
little debris been found of the plane?

At some time very shortly after 9:40 PM Friday night 7/16/99
(9:40:20 as has been reported by several sources), while
maintaining an altitude of 2200 feet above sea level, an
invasive interference within John John's Piper-Saratoga
airplane caused the plane to plunge into a rapid descent
which resulted in radar tracking of altitudes of 1900 feet
at 9:40:24, 1600 feet at 9:40:29, and 1100 feet at 9:40:34,
indicating a rapid accelerating descent which most likely
occurred due to mechanical failure, sabotage, or an external
force of some sort impacting the integrity of the structure
of the airplane.

It has most recently been reported that John John had told
Pierre Sallinger some time in the past that he planned to
initiate a political career sometime in the 21st century,
most likely running for the U.S. Senate in 2004 or 2006 and
then setting his sights on the U.S. Presidency sometime
later.

Thus, it is our conclusion that it is most likely that John
John Kennedy was murdered by the same people who murdered
his father, his uncle, Martin Luther King, and many other
people who have had an impact on the American political
scene in the past several decades.

Because of the vicious attacks being flung around by the
media and other 

Re: [CTRL] Kennedy Plane Speed of Descent.........

[Lloyd Miller]

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Lloyd Sez:  Please stop the unfounded speculation!  Sabotage is
just as likely given the evidence so far as is vertigo

That rate of descent would be expected if he was experiencing vertigo,
and flew right into the water without realizing that's what he was
doing.

It's a common accident with inexperienced pilots in low visibility
conditions. It has happened before and will happen again.


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In article [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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 So it plummetted to the water faster than would be
 anticipated.when is someone going to ask the obvious question:
 Could it have been sabotage???


That rate of descent would be expected if he was experiencing vertigo,
and flew right into the water without realizing that's what he was
doing.

It's a common accident with inexperienced pilots in low visibility
conditions. It has happened before and will happen again.


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[CTRL] Fw: Part 1, COLUMBINE Other Gov't Massacres

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 Note the congruence of
racial targeting in this case to the racial targeting against the student
gunned down by Harris and Klebold at Columbine High School. Note, also, the
further congruence of this racial targeting to that aimed against
African-Americans in the Fourth of July 1999 drive-by shootings committed by
Benjamin Smith, who so conveniently later killed himself; likewise, Harris
and Klebold also conveniently killed themselves, leaving no way in this
world to reach into their heads and find the MK-ULTRA mind control
mechanisms that were likely planted there in a documentable pattern of
premeditated state terror -- scientifically-conceived terror with a purpose,
that is. Yet again likewise, Patrick Edward Purdy killed himself at the end
of his bloody spree. This clear pattern of the crazed shooter who wastes
himself at the end of his bloody spree is a pattern that occurs over and
over again. A favorite recipe from the CIA's cookbook of
how-to-create-a-mind-control-assassin-with-no-aftermess-to-clean-up.
Now, here are a number of facts about Purdy gleaned from inconspicuous
newspaper articles printed in Stockton-area newspapers. The following
information comes from Dave Emory's archive radio broadcast tape M55, titled
"The Stockton Schoolyard Shootings".  By ordering this and other tapes from
Dave Emory's spitfirelist, you will obtain a great deal of information
cherished by anyone who would cherish freedom enough to fight for it.

Stay Tuned for PART 2 of this series on The Columbine Massacre and Other
Government-Engineered Acts of Terror.
Please disseminate these reports and your own subsequent reports as widely
as you can, because, folks, AMERICA IS UNDER SIEGE, to quote the title of a
New World Order videotape expos'e by Linda Thompson.  These should be
motivating you to help develop and publicize the whole appalling story of
how and why the long-conspiring New World Order persists in inflicting
terror upon our nation's innocent people. As you would surmise, state terror
is designed to inflame the citizenry to cry out for tough government
controls, whence the state terrorists will promptly slam-dunk us all into
their totalitarian New World Order slave plantation.  These ruling elite
every day dream and drool about their envisioned world slave plantation.
Don't wait until you have to risk your life to stop it, folks.

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Re: [CTRL] Scottish Highland PIPERs JFK JR.

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And please recall the motto of the Black Watch!

Nobody wounds us with impunity!

JFK had challenged the world hegemony of the
British Crown!  He had wounded the British
Empire, but not with impunity!


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Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 9:57 PM
Subject: Scottish Highland PIPERs JFK JR.


Someone pointed out to me that the last event
attended by JFK, Sr and JFK Jr at the White House
was a show by the Scottish Highland Pipers known
as the "Black Guard" or something similar.   Anyone
recall the name?  Now a Scotsman, wins the British
Open.

transmit wrote:

 The third anniversary of the TWA Flight 800 explosion, which occurred
 off of the coast of Long Island after taking off from John F. Kennedy
 Airport, was Saturday, July 17th, 1999. It is also on this day that
 many woke up to the news that a small plane carrying John F. Kennedy,
 Jr. had dissapeared, and that a search was under way off of the coast
 of Long Island.

 JFK Jr.'s plane was called the Piper Saratoga and was manufactured by
 The New Piper Aircraft, Inc., in Vero Beach, FL. The plane was piloted

 by JFK Jr., and was carrying his wife and wife's sister to a wedding
 for cousin Rory Kennedy. According to legend, each time a Kennedy is
 married, a ghostly apparition of a piper is seen haunting near an oval

 staircase in Culzean Castle, Ayrshire, Scotland, a former Kennedy
 stronghold.

 'Vero' Beach, Florida, takes it's name from the Latin 'Veritas,' and
 is the plural form of the Latin word 'Verus.' The adverb for Verus is
 Vero which means, in truth, or in fact. Therefore, the fact that piper
 JFK was heading toward a wedding could have been discerned with no
 knowledge of it at all.

 In order to understand the mixing of places and things it is necessary
 to understand the explosion of TWA Flight 800. In the year 1996, the
 times of Ancient Greece were invoked as Atlanta was chosen to be the
 site of the '96 Olympic Games. 4 weeks prior to the event, Olympian
 officials met in Athens to perform a ritual within which the rays of
 the sun was focused upon a mirror, which in turn was directed onto an
 olive branch. The olive branch became alit, and the high priestess
 used it to light the infamous Olympic Torch of Athens. Present was one
 Hillary Rodham Clinton.

 Elementalism, in alchemy, refers to the manipulation of matter. It
 consists of spells by which the "sorceror" reshapes and/or bends
 reality to concentrate existing physical phenomena in order to achieve
 desired effects. The result is said to be a spell effect, which pro-
 duces a (sometimes) uncontrollable trigger-effect. "Symbolic Archi-
 tecture of the mind" concerns the mind when it is viewed as a process
 within which symbols are manipulated. The symbols are transferred be-
 twixt memory stores such as long and short term memory, and are acted
 upon by specific sets of rules.

 The first two sites of the first modern Olympic Games were Athens,
 Greece, and Paris, France. In Greek Mythology, a tournament took place

 wherein Zeus appointed a man named Paris to select among three
 battling candidates, the winner of which would become the goddess. The
 goddess was then delivered a torch and instructed to hold it at 45
 degrees, as opposed to directly upward. She was then the goddess over
 the "Apple of Discord."

 TWA Flight 800 came from Athens, Greece, and was enroute to Paris,
 France. It was downed minutes upon departure from New York City, where

 at 40.5 degrees the Statue of Liberty holds an enflamed torch. Athens,

 Greece and Atlanta were all "candidates" in competition to become the
 lofty site of the 1996 Olympic Games. Atlanta won, and the explosion
 of TWA Flight 800 became a symbolic delivery of a burning torch to the

 winning candidate, Atlanta, which resides 45 degrees below the "Big
 Apple," New York.

 Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason and lived at 1313 Anaheim
 Boulevard in recognition of the year 1313.  Jim Garrison, when
 investigating the assassination of John F. Kennedy, arrested
 individuals operating out of a New Orleans apartment bearing the
 number 1313. "New Orleans Square" in Disneyworld is the location of
 the super-secret "Club 33" of which membership is only granted by
 payment of a very high price and initiation.

 The "TWA Moonliner" attraction stood in "Tomorrowland" within Disney-
 world as a "land - mark" on its Opening Day, July 17th, 1955. Exactly
 41 years later, July 17th, 1996, "Tomorrowland" became "Todayland" as
 TWA Flight 800 was blown out of the sky amidst the silver lining of
 the moon.

 "TWA Moonliner" at Disneyworld was renamed in 1975 to "Mission to
 Mars" and is now located next to "Triton's Gardens," an attraction
 which  commemorates the Greek Mythological son of Poseidon and
 Amphitrite. One year after the TWA Flight 800 Disaster, present in the
 

[CTRL] JFK JR: Explosion Out to Sea from the Beach

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Listening to MSNBC, I heard a NBC employee, I think, state that he was
on the Beach at 10:00 pm, near where the debris is washing-up, and heard a
big explosion over the ocean?

Anyone else hear this!    !

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[CTRL] Fw: Questions starting to be answered on Kennedy Death?

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-Original Message-
From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
Date: Sunday, July 18, 1999 4:22 PM
Subject: Questions starting to be answered on Kennedy Death?


A few bits from Drudge:

As late as last week, JFK Jr. was talking with investment bankers about
selling GEORGE magazine, according to sources...

 NEWSWEEK: WIFE WAS
'FRIGHTENED' TO GET IN
 PLANE WITH KENNEDY

MAG: Kennedy might well have
   run for the U.S. Senate from
   New York in 2000 if First
   Lady Hillary Clinton had not
   begun a campaign...

   WITNESS: 'BIG WHITE FLASH IN
   THE SKY' OFF BEACH AROUND
   TIME OF CRASH...

Well, first of all, how would Newsweek KNOW that Caroline Bassette was
frightened? Isn't she dead too?!!

Now we're talkingissues relating to selling George Magazine,
and a possible run for the Senate

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[CTRL] The NEW CyberWORLD ORDER

[Lloyd Miller]

association
Jun Murai Professor, Faculty of Environmental Information, Keio University
(Japan)

Michael Roberts
Interim President and CEO of ICANN

Eugenio Triana
Past Deputy Director General in DG XIII (1994-98), European Commission

Linda S. Wilson
President of Radcliffe College

   It should be noted that Esther Dyson was admitted to the Council on
Foreign Relations in 1997, just before she became interested in the Internet
governance debate. Coincidence?

   But actions speak louder than appearances. And this board's actions are
right out of the Communist Manifesto. In the short time that this board has
been in existence, they have:

1) Established a secretive method of decision making, one that features an
open, public meeting the day before a secret and authoritative meeting where
the Board makes all of the binding decisions affecting every Internet user
in the world.

2) Established a Government Advisory Committee (GAC), which is a secret
cabal of low ranking government officials, who meet in secret and make
"recommendations" to the ICANN Board during their secret meeting.

3) Claimed ownership over the entire name space, and have threatened to
force a U.S. based, public, for-profit corporation out of business.

4) Implemented a $1 per domain name tax, to fund their $6,000,000 budget.
This tax was implemented without any community input, and without any
representation offered to those who must now pay the tax. In other words,
taxation without representation.

   While this is a very small selection from a very large list, it does
represent the current direction of ICANN. In one fell swoop, the Council on
Foreign Relations will have achieved their New World Order over the very
real frontier we call cyberspace.

   Unless we act swiftly, ICANN will soon be entrenched as the de facto,
worldwide government over the cyber-world we call the Internet.

   But you can help.

   First, Congress is currently looking at the actions of ICANN. Congressman
Bliley, of the House Commerce Committee, recently blasted ICANN for their
current actions, and he will likely hold hearings in July. Write to your
congressman, and support these hearings.

   Second, get the word out. Funny how the press will spend months covering
President Clinton's sex life, but will give virtually no coverage to the
establishment of global Internet governance.

   Finally, get involved. The best place to participate in the debate is on
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   In closing, the Internet is where we will work, play, and learn in the
future -- it is where we will live. We must protect this New World from
those who would like to control it.

   Freedom and liberty require constant vigilance -- and action.

   NOW is the time to act!

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[CTRL] Fw: TWA800 Cover-up Continues

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/users.erols.com/igoddard/wing.htm
  [8] Corresponadnace between Major Meyer and author.
  [9] Interim Report on the Crash of TWA Flight 800
  and the Actions of the NTSB and the FBI. pages
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  and the Actions of the NTSB and the FBI. page
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  [14] Assocaited Press report, August 2, 1996.
  [15] Rivero's Analysis  Press-Enterprise Report:
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  The Vally Advocate: "Crash Test Dummies" 1998-01-29:
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[CTRL] JFK, Jr. Did He Offend Clinton Lately?

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Well, did he?  Does anyone read George?  Or hear of any articles about to
come-out therein?

Just now listening to Kissinger who sez he met with their Editorial Board
lately...??  Why would MSNBC go to Kissinger about the tragedy?

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[CTRL] The CFR and TC EXPLAINED

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lderberg
discussion was "a change in the world-role of the United States." In keeping
with the world-governmetn designs of the group, he told his own biographer,
Alden Harch, of the difficulty of leading "people who have been brought up
on the idea of nationalism to the idea of relinquishing part of their
sovereignty to a supranational body." Bilderberg attendees can be counted on
to support the United Nations.

  "In my view, the Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated
effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power:
political, monetart, intellectual and ecclesiastical...What the Trilaterists
truly intend is the creation of a worldwide economic power superior to the
political governmetns of the nation-states involved... As managers and
creators of the system they will rule the future."--Barry Goldwater, 1979.

  These people and many others are the ones that pull the strings.They are
the "ruling elite". These are some of the wealthiest people in the world.
Not that wealth is bad, but proves that "the love of money is the root of
all evil", because after you have the wealth, all that is left is the Power
to control. And the CFR/TC goal is "the submergence of U.S. sovereignty and
national independence into an all-powerful one-world government...this lust
to surrender the sovereignty and independence of the United States is
pervasive throughout most of the membership." --Admiral Chester Ward, USN
(Ret.) a 20-year veteran of membership in the CFR, 1975.
  "What "history teaches us" - to use a phrase favored by trilateralists -
is that ruling elites are deadly serious about seeing that any renovation of
the international system is in their intrest.They will use a variety
of...tactics to maintain political and economical control -domestically and
internationally. Control techniques will be more vicious or less, depending
on a combination of factors involving the state of the economy and, more
importantly, the state of popular opposition. The more threatening and
persistant the moves to counter their plans and rebuild alternative
models,the more violent will be their tactics of repression."---Holly
Sklar,1980
  "Today,the CFR remains active in working toward its final goal of a
government over all the world--a government which the Insiders and their
allies will control. The goal of the CFR is simply to abolish the United
States with its Constitutional guarantees of liberty. And they don't even
try to hide it.Study No. 7, published by the CFR on November 25, 1959,
openly advocates "building a new international order."---Gary Allen, 1971
  There is much much more that is documented and should be trumpeted across
the land. We are so close, so very close, to the dream of the TC/CFR. Their
intent is to bankrupt our nation and usher in the United Nations taking away
our sovereignity as a nation and place our people under the servitude of a
one world government which according to Scripture will be offered up to the
leadership of one man, the Anti-Christ.
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[CTRL] Right-Left Coalition to Oppose War?

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, leaving
L.A. without a non-party supper club. But of all the things Hess was known
for in his half-century of activism, it was his call under the arch in St.
Louis at the 1969 Young Americans for Freedom convention for young
libertarians stuck in the conservative-controlled YAF to split and join the
New Left for which he will be remembered. He joined the Black Panthers and
the Institute for Policy Studies, and when Murray Rothbard swung Right,
Left, Party and Paleo, Hess kept up his associations.

"Let Murray's words (from 1965 in Left and Right) and Karl's actions, Carl
Oglesby (in 1965 in Containment and Change) and Alex Cockburn's responses,
down to Chris Hitchens and myself only yesterday, provide the historical
chorus to Wally Conger's Clear Call for a Coalition against The Third Balkan
War, and against the Imperial State that could create such a monstrosity.

"Then let's roll up our sleeves and build this movement."

I would tremendously appreciate any comment anyone might contribute about
this material. Are Left-Right "pop front" coalitions viable in fighting
issues where Right and Left may agree? Must Left and Right agree about
*everything* in order to work together?

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Re: [CTRL] HIV/AIDS hypothesis

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Lloyd Responds interspresed 
below:

Duesbergs argument is based on the 
hypothesis that the institutions that were set up to fight Nixons 
War on Cancer have perpetuated themselves with the Fight against 
AIDS. In doing so they have hung up the HIV/AIDS Hypothesis as the 
only one because it is consistent with their view of disease, that virus's 
or bacteria cause disease, in this day and age. (Duesberg ch six, page 168, 
A Fabricated Epidemic, and page 83 Phantom Viruses and Big 
Bucks)

Lloyd Sez: More likely is that the 
virus was created at the Fort Derrick biological warfare project. That 
is how Gallo knew it was
the cause of AIDS without a 
study...the virus doesn't conform to normal disease parameters per Deusburg 
because it is artificial! AIDS
is already achieving the National Security Dictatorship's goals in 
Africa. The latest reports show a dramatic decrease in population 
growth. The whole genocidal environmentalist and population control 
movement whose precursor was the racist eugenics movement is sponsored by 
the super-rich Corporate Masters through their foundationsjust look at 
the grants of the Rockefeller Brothers Fund on the www

Of course this supports in part by 
the hypothesis of a conspiracy, however, what are the links to the 
Governments attempts at Population Control?

Lloyd Sez: Population control was defined as a National 
Security Issue by Kissinger during the Nixon 
Administration. They know exactly what they are doing.

Perhaps it is the large drug 
manufacturer's themselves, seeking to increase their markets by 
sponsoring theories that will result in giving them a market 
increase.

Lloyd: Of course! The large drug manufacturers control the 
government health bureaucracy to prevent competition and maintain the 
environment for their profits.

Duesbergs hypothesis, conversely 
could be implemented by any number of professionals that can recommend a 
change in behaviour and diet. Thus any research in this hypothesis 
will not increase the drug market, or the income and power base of the 
medical research establishment i.e. CDC and major Universities. (ibid.. 
Appendix B page 505)

Lloyd Responds: Of course!

Adam Smiths self interest has 
resulted in this case, a failure to identify the safest path for the 
community, and the world as a whole.

Lloyd Responds: No, Adam Smith explicitly predicted that 
capitalists conspire every time they get together and realized that only 
unregulated competition can keep them honest. Adam Smith didn't 
invent self-interest. Self-interest is inevitable, but 
_everyone_ has to exercise it not just STATE CAPITALISTS. No one 
should be fooled into accepting authorities put in place by 
force and fraud. Democacy was designed as a fraud for an elite to 
obtain the consent of the governed. FACE IT! The people accept 
the Drug Cartel because they think it is government regulated! What 
FOOLS!

The Population Control Hypothesis has 
also been attached to the horrible conflicts in Africa, where the West 
has ignored

Lloyd Sez: Ignored? No, 
planned the deaths of millions of people for National Security reasons! 


the plight of millions of 
people. It is instructive to observe these events, and determine 
whether a conspiracy exists or it is the behaviour of the institutions 
and individuals towards greed and power, rather than what benefits the 
country or people as a whole on our Judeo Christian ethics or the basic 
tenets of the US Declaration of Independence.

I don't believe that abolishing the CDC 
and its like will solve the problem, it goes deeper than that.

If you would like to post this discussion 
to prj, please feel free to do so.

Clifford M Dubery

-Original Message-From: 
Lloyd Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, July 
13, 1999 11:59 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
Re: HIV/AIDS hypothesis 

-You are missing the 
point that the AIDS/HIV conspiracy is government sponsored and 
run...ulitmately probably to limit population growth, especially of 
non-white races.

-We have an 
increasingly fascist brand of socialism, not capitalism. Under 
laissez-faire capitalism there would be no regulatory agencies that 
could impose an irrational AIDS/HIV theory on the countrymany 
theories and treatements would compete on an equal 
footing!

-Abolish the 
National and International Disease Control apparatuses that are 
sponsored by specially

[CTRL] HIV/AIDS hypothesis

[Lloyd Miller]

 but had never read his papers or heard him
speak. But I listened, now wide awake, while he explained exactly why I was
having so much trouble finding the references that linked HIV to AIDS. There
weren't any. No one had ever proved that HIV causes AIDS. When I got home, I
invited Duesberg down to San Diego to present his ideas to a meeting of the
American Association for Chemistry. Mostly skeptical at first, the audience
stayed for the lecture, and then an hour of questions, and then stayed
talking to each other until requested to clear the room. Everyone left with
more questions than they had brought.

   I like and respect Peter Duesberg. I don't think he knows necessarily
what causes AIDS; we have disagreements about that. But we're both certain
about what doesn't cause AIDS.

   We have not been able to discover any good reasons why most of the people
on earth believe that AIDS is a disease caused by a virus called HIV. There
is simply no scientific evidence demonstrating that this is true.

   We have also not been able to discover why doctors prescribe a toxic drug
called AZT (Zidovudine) to people who have no other complaint other than the
fact that they have the presence of antibodies to HIV in their blood. In
fact, we cannot understand why humans would take this drug for any reason.

   We cannot understand how all this madness came about, and having both
lived in Berkeley, we've seen some strange things indeed. We know that to
err is human, but the HIV/AIDS hypothesis is one hell of a mistake.

   I say this rather strongly as a warning. Duesberg has been saying it for
a long time.

http://www.duesberg.com/kintro.html

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[CTRL] Fw: Was CNN Involved in Murder Plot?

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wever, does not prevent him from indulging in a bit
of anti-Serb racism of his own, noting that Fisk was
given the sobriquet "Fiscovic" by some of his
colleagues.

Porter is outraged that Fisk appears to believe "NATO
is motivated by congenital imperialist tendencies,"
but even more intolerable is Fisk's decision to bring
a dispute within the media to the attention of the public.

The attack on Fisk indicates that his exposure of the
deplorable performance of the press corp has hit a
raw nerve, and, in particular, his revelations
concerning CNN's role in the bombing of the Serb TV
center have provoked considerable concern in high places.
[end of report]

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which suggests that employee-health-insurance policies of
the US networks must provide no coverage for optical exams.



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[CTRL] Archives: New Paradigms Discussion Group

[Lloyd Miller]

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Frequently, I am asked if we keep an archive of
the New Paradigms Discussion Group [prj] by
folks desperate to reference old posts.

No, we don't keep an archive, but Deja News
(now deja.com) does as we up-load most if not
quite all issues of prj-digest to alt.conspiracy and
other NewsGroups.

You can reach Deja News at:

http://www.deja.com/

To look at various prj-digests by issue/date,
use the regular search and search for prj-digest
which always occurs in the Subject line.  If you
are looking for key words in the text of old posts,
be sure to use "Power Search" only!  Only "Power
Search" checks message text as well as subject
text.Deja.com tries to encourage you not to
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[CTRL] Fw: FL800: The Got-Away Boat -- FBI LIES!

[Lloyd Miller]

 that the Government had found no evidence of a missile. In this 
climate, individual teams' reports could be honest and insufficient, because 
technicians were not in a position to put what they had seen together with other 
evidence.For instance, the N.T.S.B. held public hearings on the crash, 
but refused to allow eyewitnesses to testify about what they'd seen. Meantime, 
the F.B.I. presented a C.I.A. animation of the plane's breakup that purported to 
explain what the eyewitnesses had seen, and merely infuriated them.It's 
not hard to imagine ways this investigation could have become politicized. The 
Atlanta Olympics were to start days after the crash. A leading terrorist was 
then on trial in New York. There were threats; three weeks before, an apartment 
complex in Saudi Arabia had been bombed, killing 19 American servicemen. And it 
was election year for an administration that has shown it will do just about 
anything to win. What if voters saw the country as being vulnerable to 
terrorists?The N.T.S.B. likes to point out that Commander Donaldson is a 
right-winger, funded by Accuracy in Media. Yes, and Mr. Stalcup and Mr. Sephton 
are lefties. They have lately obtained more radar data which they say challenges 
the Government findings.The real distinction here is between the old 
hierarchical information order and the new one. For some time now, the 
mainstream media has been able to write off Internet investigators as 
ill-trained, people who are unable to sort out rumor from fact, and, when they 
do have facts, have no sense of their proportion. This criticism has often been 
true, but the Internet gets less hysterical one month to the next, and meantime 
the mainstream media have found themselves in an odd position. They are 
corporate authorities, who tend to accept the word of other authorities at face 
value. They don't seem to see the revolution at the door: The Internet is a 
growing society of people who are comfortable challenging 
authority.You're focusing on minutiae, the N.T.S.B.'s Mr. 
Goelz said to me. Ninety-five percent of the wreckage of the plane has 
been recovered and it shows no missile.Let's see, 
Commander Donaldson said, getting out a calculator. Five percent of the 
wreckage is 8 tons. You can put a lot of holes in that much stuff. It's like 
saying the Empire State Building fell over and we've found all but five 
floors.This column ran on page 1 in the 
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[CTRL] Fw: Santa Thesis.htm

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the same feat? Magic? I think not. Santa Claus received regular reports from 
the Soviet intelligence community on world events and hot spots. Ever wonder 
why he never got shot down by a Surface to air missile while on a sortie to 
deliver gifts in warring places like Afghanistan, or other areas in Africa 
and Asia? The answer, soviet Air cover, maps of anti aircraft sites and a 
sled souped up with stealth technology that he stole from the United States. 
Furthermore, both Santa and the USSR kept extensive list of Good and Bad 
people. Ever wonder how Santa Claus knew? Coincidence? I think not. In 
return, Santa worked his elves to a fever pitch. they turned out enough 
gifts for Santa to literally saturate the U.S. With these gifts, Santa would 
gain the trust of the U.S and inspire a trend of money spending for material 
consumption at Christmas. In so doing, he would set about a 
commercialization of Christmas. The effects of this were twofold. 1. This 
would cause a turn away from religion and people would abandonment their 
God and thus Marx's Opiate of the people. this would 
foster anti religious thought at Christmas and fulfill the USSR's desire to 
wipe out religion in society. 2. The conflict between the consumers and the 
religious devout would spark off a war that would destroy the United States 
and its capitalistic machine from the inside 3. When he gained the trust of 
the U.S, he would not have to go through customs and could sneak out any 
secrets, documents, or machines he thought the Soviets could use. Santa 
Claus had access to the presidents desk and files while in the Whitehouse 
delivering presents to the oval office on Christmas eve. I hate 
to say it, but Santa was a communist spy guilty of espionage, sedition, and 
treason against these United States. He is also guilty of Cruelty to 
animals, violation of Union and wage laws and the Sherman Anti trust act, 
tax evasion, failure to register with the selective service, contributing to 
the delinquency of minors, burglary, trespassing, creating a public 
disturbance (He yells a lot at the end of that poem the Night before 
Christmas wherein his crimes are thoroughly documented), and disorderly 
conduct (he started a mosh pit at a James Taylor concert in July of 1995 at 
the Garden State Arts Center. Santa is a criminal in need of help who needs 
to be brought to justice. -JC Rider University 2083 Lawrenceville Rd. 
Lawrenceville 
Back to SantaJoke 
home. 
First added: September 29, 1998Modified:December 
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Re: [CTRL] THE CITY

[Lloyd Miller]

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Read any standard history of Britain or the British Empire.

Subject: Re: THE CITY


If somebody asked for proof of the existence of this city, what could one
say in just a few words?
FWP.

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[CTRL] America: A Police State!

[Lloyd Miller]

 SLC, I guess everybody will stay home and do drugs.  I
really believe that the prevention of cruising will cause more trouble for
the police.  But they make the rules-not me.  I am not from Utah, but have
lived here for five years.  I understand where you're coming from with the
"image" problem that seems to make more trouble than solve it.  I am also
interested in hearing some of your other ideas in making SLC better.  snip.
If you need any help with anything then just write me.

Thanks

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Re: [CTRL] [Reality_Pump] Re: Clinton Lays Out His Agenda, ImpressesEventheNaysayers

[Lloyd Miller]

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Tonight, however,  I'd like to know why you consider
Roosevelt and Clinton facistst. Niether were demigogues.   Both
administrations have been the antithesis of fascism.

Should you base your judgement upon manipulative oratory  alone,  surely
you'll have to include  Churchill,  Kennedy,  Reagan,  Lincoln,   -
particularly the great communicator Reagan - in your list of fascists as
well
as Roosevelt and Clinton.   Since facism is generally understood as
ultraconserative and reactionary,  similar to libertarian extremism,  you
might reconsider your definition of the term.

Considering Fascism "ultra-Conservative" is just socialist propaganda.
Reactionary is a meaningless Communist smear word.  Roosevelt and Churchill
were demigogues!  Listen to their speeches!

Well, of course, manipulation of public opinion is not the only factor
indicating fascism.  But, certainly the man on horseback manipulating public
adoration is a major factor.

And like most things it is not yes or no, but more or less!  That Roosevelt
and Churchill fought other fascist namely the ones in Germany, Japan, and
Italy, does not mean that they weren't fascists as well!
Fortunately, American and British traditions prevented Fascism from
proceeding quite as far in America and Britain than it did in Germany and
Italy.  The Oligarchic Supreme Court saved America from the worst of what
Roosevelt would have done.

Fascism involves the consolidation of the State and integration into itself
under a popular dictator all or most aspects of society including
economicsCorporations, Unions, and many other previously independent
social and economic entities.  Unlike Communism, the external forms of the
previous entities and private property are preserved but ultimately in an
illusory way as the State can intervene at will with no Constitutional
restraint.

In essence, Roosevelt provided the same Fascist answer for Depression to the
ruling class behind the major Corporations as did Hitler!  The New Deal
especially as originally conceived was Fascist through and through!

Given Clinton's ultra-Statist penchant for centralizing and nationalizing
Medical Care, his unlimited support for the National Security State,
disregard of Civil Liberties, etc. [The ACLU and Dershowitz agree with me],
business-government partnership, etc. combined with his incredibly crass
manipulation of simple-minded public opinion a strong case can be made that
he is Fascist.  The American Presidency (Imperial Presidency) is well
designed as a launching pad for Fascism and all the Presidents you mentioned
have at least some Fascist tendencies.  Reagan confined his tendency to the
Military-Industrial complex, fortunately.

Scaife [MELLON] and Starr, on the other hand, want to return to the normal
Anglo-American Oligarchical system in which the State is controlled by a
cabal of big bankers for the special benefit of their coterie and the rest
of society remains relatively laissez-faire.  I don't like this either, but
it is not fascism and it is not as bad as Fascism.  The Oligarchists (like
Brutus) in Caesar's time, want to preserve their rule of law, skewed though
it may be, to protect their independent fortunes rather than live at the
whim of the Fascist leader.

To fight Fascism you must destroy the leader with overwhelming popular
supprt whether it be Clinton, Roosevelt, Hitler, Kennedy {Fascist New
Frontier}, etc.  The "people" are always whining for Caesar and must be
defeated if any scrap of liberty is to be preserved!

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Date: Thursday, July 01, 1999 5:32 AM
Subject: [Reality_Pump] Re: Clinton Lays Out His Agenda,
ImpressesEventheNaysayers


Lloyd,

I inadvertently deleted your last response to one of my posts,  but had
intended to answer you.  Tonight, however,  I'd like to know why you
consider
Roosevelt and Clinton facistst. Niether were demigogues.   Both
administrations have 

[CTRL] REAL REASON FOR GUN OWNERSHIP

[Lloyd Miller]

  who turned in
their weapons to their Tory town governments soon  learned the folly
of their actions. Any government that outlaws  gun ownership is an
outlaw government! It is no more necessary to  obey an oppressive,
tyrannical State than it is to obey any thief  who demands that you
turn over your property under threat of  death. We know the free
person's answer to such a demand. So does  the State. That is why
statists seek to browbeat us into  disarming without a fight. They
need the sanction of the victim.  They cannot hope to disarm us by
force. That would tip their hand and guarantee a revolution. But by
stealth, instilled guilt, and  appeals to our peaceful, law-abiding
natures will they attempt to  expropriate our only defense against
their continued and  increasing predations.

Resist the urge to obey the edicts of self-proclaimed rulers.  Don't
walk timidly into a concentration camp filled with once- free men and
women. Decry with every fiber of your being the  trampling of our
fundamental human rights!

  ** THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS IS A CIVIL RIGHT, WITHOUT WHICH
 ALL OTHER CIVIL RIGHTS ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO DEFEND **

   ** THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS IS THE RIGHT TO OWN -- AND PROTECT --
   YOUR BODY AND YOUR PROPERTY **

 ** THE RIGHT TO OWN GUNS IS THE RIGHT TO RESIST TYRANNY **

   ** ANY WHO SEIZE GUNS ARE THIEVES OR TYRANTS **

Every law restricting free, immediate access to firearms is a direct
attack on individual freedom. The course of action is up to you.
Demand the repeal of all such laws or ignore them with impunity. But
never accept them as legitimate restraints upon your liberty. Nothing
legitimate can issue from the pen of tyrants.

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[CTRL] Fw: [Reality_Pump] Hyde's Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act Passes House

[Lloyd Miller]

Wait for fascist Senate to torpedo this one! CIA 
Clinton will do everything in his power to stop this one. Doubtful that 
his veto can be over-ridden even if the Senate goes alongLloyd

PS Too good to come to pass.
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Friday, June 25, 1999 3:16 PMSubject: [Reality_Pump] Hyde's Civil 
Asset Forfeiture Reform Act Passes House
Hyde's Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act 
Passes House Easily(press release from the Drug Policy 
Foundation,http://www.dpf.org)WASHINGTON, June 24 -- 
The Civil Asset Forfeiture Reform Act of 1999, a bill sponsored by Reps. 
Henry Hyde (R-IL), John Conyers (D-MI), Bob Barr (R-GA) and Barney Frank 
(D-MA), sailed through the House of Representatives by a 375-48 margin 
at 5:05pm today.This is the most important property-rights 
legislation to come out of the House this year, said Drug Policy 
Foundation Senior Policy Analyst Scott Ehlers. Americans are 
a step closer to being protected from some of the worst abuses of police 
power.Ehlers said that proponents of the bill were hoping that it 
would pass by a wide enough margin for the Senate to take notice. 
The House has clearly and resoundingly said that property rights are 
important and that the Senate should pass this bill.An 
amendment by Reps. Asa Hutchinson (R-AR) and Anthony Weiner (D-NY), which 
would have watered down H.R. 1658 and strengthened civil asset forfeiture 
laws, failed by a 268-155 vote. H.R. 1658 would make numerous changes 
to civil forfeiture law, including:* Forcing the government to 
prove that seized property is related to a crime, as opposed to the current 
practice of the owners' having to prove that their property is not 
guilty;* Creating an innocent owner defense, 
whereby property owners unaware of criminal activity occurring on their 
property could recover their property;* Providing indigent 
defendants with appointed counsel; and* Eliminating the cost-bond 
requirement, which currently requires property owners to pay up to $5,000 or 
10 percent of the seized property's value in order to contest the 
seizure in court.(Thanks to the many of you who responded to our 
asset forfeiture alerts. We will alert you when there is a bill to 
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Re: [CTRL] Kosovo

[Lloyd Miller]

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Russia, China, and India per the British plan are reacting defensively to
the EU, Vatican, Rockefeller over-reaching offensiveWar in Korea and
Taiwan to humiliate the US back in sensible Tory British leadership!?  In
any case, increased hostility and Russia-China-India alliance  -- Lloyd
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Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 3:45 AM
Subject: Kosovo


OK, so you believe that the Kosovo business is a Vatican-German attempt
at resurrecting the Old Europe?
Here is your scenerio as I understand it:
  Yugoslavia=an IMF/NWO alligned nation waging war against its
Vatican and Muslim neighbors.  Long having opposed Germany and Turkey, it
stepped right on the toes of NATO and the (Vatican) neo-Cold Warriors.
The United States, under Clinton, having just defeated a British coup,
was now set to wage World War III under the cloak of a Vatican sponsored
"human rights" campaign.  Albright, having come out of Georgetown, is
instrumental in this.  Deep down, I suppose, would be an attempt to put
out the Serbian trouble makers for good.
If all of this is true, what role does Russia have?  Is Russia
going along with Clinton and the Vatican?  Or is Russia going against
this?  What about China?
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[CTRL] Who is Malachi Martin?

[Lloyd Miller]

lists (a generic characterization for international
 bankers and
 businesses
 affiliated with the Council on Foreign Affairs (CFR) and the Trilateral
 Commission (TLC), and
 (c) a deteriorating Roman Catholic Church, the principal institution of
 Christendom, led by
 Pope Paul II.' (11)



 (11. I quote from Mr. Fisher's review. Note that there is no mention of
 Jews, which would not
 have been tactful in a book published by Jews; but did the
 glaring omission
 have another
 motive? I gather from Mr. Fisher that Martin expects a "direct
 intervention
 of God" during the
 lifetime of the present Pope!)



 That statement is the principal basis for Mr. Patterson's denunciation of
 Martin as a "fake
 conservative" and "double agent" of the Zionists, and he marshals abundant
 proofs that Wojtyia
 (John Paul II) is co"perating so closely with both Soviets, the
 "Trilateralists" and the
 Zionists in foisting the "New World Order" on the civilized nations to
 reduce them to barbaric
 slavery that the Pope must be considered a servant or accomplice of all of
 the three aspects
 of what must be a single force bent on our enslavement and eventual
 extinction. He reasons
 that Martin's book must be intended to confuse traditional Catholics and
 other readers by
 deceiving them about our enemies and creating the deceptive illusion that
 three tentacles of
 the octopus are fighting each other.

 I am not here concerned with establishing Martin's guilt or innocence, and
 I certainly shall
 not waste time in collecting and analysing the many books and articles
 published under his own
 name or in ascertaining whether or not the continues to publish divergent
 works under
 pseudonyms, but I shall point out that, so far as I can tell from the
 reviews, he is guilty of
 a certain duplicity in concealing in his latest book conclusions that he
 has stated elsewhere.

 In an address reported by the *Rocky Mountain News*, 8 October
 1982 (reproduced
 photographically in *Christian News* he stated explicitly that "The
 Christian church is
 decaying, has nothing to say, and is on the way out." He added that the
 other great religions
 of the world, Buddhism, Islam, Hinduism, Shintoism, "are headed
 in the same
 direction as
 Christianity and even faster." He predicted the imposition of "a worldwide
 religion with one
 structure and institutions," managed by "one great bureaucracy. And out of
 it will emerge the
 ultimate disaster."

 What is crucially significant in that speech is that he
 explicitly affirmed
 that the Jews'
 religion (the basis of their racial unity) is not in the least subject to
 change or decay and
 will always endure triumphantly. "It is irradicable, (12) indestructible,"
 he affirmed, "there
 is no decay and *nothing can destroy the soul of Judaism.* (My italics.)



 (12. He means *uneradicable*.)



 There you have it. There, stated with blinding clarity for all who think
 while reading, is an
 indication of who will own and enslave the world of tomorrow. No author,
 unwilling to bring
 upon himself the terrorists of the Jews' government in Washington, could
 have stated the fact
 more explicitly.

 According to Mr. Lawrence, Martin, in his new book, certainly
 concealing or
 reversing his
 belief in an "ultimate disaster," not only regards the New World Order as
 inevitable, but
 lauds it a "Grand Design of God." And he says, "As to the time factor
 involved, those of us
 who are under 70 will see at least the basic structure of the new world
 government
 installed Those of us who are under 40 will surely live under its
 legislative, executive,
 and judicial authority and control."

 And he could have added that Americans who are now under five will surely
 grow up to be
 imbecile creatures, so well trained that whenever they see or smell a
 Sheeny, they will
 automatically drop to their knees and knock their foreheads three times on
 the pavement in
 veneration of their living gods.





 This article originally appeared in Liberty Bell magazine, published
 monthly by George P. Dietz since September 1973.
 For subscription information please write to Liberty Bell Publications,
 Post Office Box 21, Reedy WV 25270 USA; or call
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[CTRL] Fluorides and Population Behavior Modification

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translation of the Russian book Fluorine in
Stomatology and Hygiene (Gabovich and Ovrutskiy, 1977) the authors
state: "From the above, it becomes evident that fluorine, affected
metabolism in nerve cells and disturbing receptor function and the
transmission of nerve impulses, can influence the function of higher
sections of the central nervous system."

-
In 1972, the Australian Medical Journal contained an article by Dr.
Stephen Boyden, of the Urban Biology Group, Australian National
University. He stated "...it is important to appreciate that the
first symptoms of exposure to many toxic chemicals are not
physiological, by PSYCHOLOGICAL, and include such symptoms as
confusion, personality changes, fatigue, loss of memory and mental
dullness."

-
In 1978, the Australian Journal of Public Administration, Vol 38,
No.3, reported that " the Puckapunyal Army Camp had been fluoridated
since 1972 "Under directions of the Commonwealth government". The
Army Camp at Bandiana is fluoridated, although it draws its water
from Wodonga, which is not fluoridated. It is thus obvious that
specific arrangements have been made to fluoridate at least some
Australian army TRAINING camps which obtain their water from
non-fluoridated areas."

-
The story that ingesting fluoride has a "docility" effect on the
consumer is mentioned in the 1990 book by Isobel Hansen, a nurse in
America who, for many years, has closely studied fluoridation
reports. Jansen was published in Fluoride, the official journal of
the International Society for Fluoride Research, and numerous
scientific journals, and was listed in the World Who's Who of Women,
Directory of Distinguished Americans, Distinguished Women of the 20th
Century, and Who's Who in the World. Jansen printed a letter to the
York (Nebraska) Daily News-Times, March 17, 1967, written by Wesley
C. Trollope, of 3014 Larimore Ave., Omaha. He claimed to have worked
for the FBI in Washington D.C. from 1947 to 1955. Jansen confirmed
this with the FBI.

Trollope stated that "Secretary of Defense Forrestal was very much
opposed to this practice of dociling American servicemen. Papers
showing the dociling effects from fluoridation are available from the
House Committee on Un-American Activities in the Armed Forces
investigations for the years 1947 and 1949." Isobel Jansen attempted
to obtain those records, but her senator, William Proxmire, told her
that the House Un-American Activities Committee had informed him that
the publications were " no longer available, either for free
distribution or for sale." A letter from Mr. Trollope stated that he
was unable to provide copies of the references used in his statement
because these had been taken when his house was burgled.  Trollope
stated " the FBI was very upset with me because I had all this
information from their records. In 1975, my residence in Omaha was
broken into. They not only stole my best guns, but also the strongbox
which contained all the official documents of FBI investigations into
the House Committee on Un-American Activities"

-
In a book published by the National Council for Medical Research,
Virginia, author Eustace Mullins stated "Oscar Ewing, formerly the
legal counsel to ALCOA, producer of aluminum and toxic fluoride
wastes, was appointed Director of Social Security in charge of the
U.S. Public Health Service, and soon afterwards, as a member of
Truman's cabinet, committed the PHS to the promotion of fluoridation.
Ewing and his minions were also aware of Soviet studies showing that
fluorides were extremely important in introducing a docile,
sheep-like obedience in the general population. It was well known
that for years, breeders of purebred bulls had used doses of
fluorides to calm their more retractable bulls, making them much
safer to handle. The Soviet Union maintained its concentration camps
since 1940 by administering increasing dosages of fluorides to the
prison population in its vast empire, the Gulag Archipelago, the
largest network of concentration camps in the world. "
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[CTRL] Fw: South African Biowar and the West

[Lloyd Miller]

ither be surprising to American blacks
who are aware of CIA complicity in allowing crack cocaine
to be funneled into U.S. black communities.

Basson said that he was "warmly welcomed" by scientists
and others in the United States.  In written notes, he said
that U.S. Air Force officials encouraged him to develop
joint "medical projects" with the United States, while other
top military and defense officials extolled the virtues of
chemical weapons.

It would be extremely naive to imagine that U.S. intelligence
did not know exactly what South Africa was doing.  Our
country has the most sophisticated listening devices,
communications interception, spy satellites, and other
high-tech spying technology, in the world.

The U.S. was working closely with South African security
forces in Angola.   It is the business of the U.S. intelligence
community to know everything possible about all governments
and crisis areas, in the world.   There are virtually no countries
in the world, on which we do not collect information and
attempt to learn all secrets.

We are only finding out now what South Africa did,
years ago.  We are finding out, only because power has
changed hands, removing the ability of the former power
to control information and censor truth.

No power has changed hands in America.  However, we
should look at South Africa and draw a straightforward
conclusion.  If our country was willing to be complicit
in the dirty secrets of South African biological warfare,
then our own, far-more powerful country might also be
covering its own dirty secrets, of acts even more
murderous, more sophisticated, and more cleverly
covered-up by professional propaganda.

Tom Keske
Boston, Mass.


REFERENCES:

[1] What Happened in South Africa?
  http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/plague/sa/

[2] South African Chemical/Biological War, by De Wet Potgieter
 http://www.caw.com/CAQ/caq63/caq63apartheid.html

[3] Apartheid Government Sought Germs to Kill Blacks
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/africa/
 newsid_11;/110947.stm

[4] Los Angeles Times, Dean E. Murphy
 http:www.detnews.com/1998/nation/9808/01/08010066.htm

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[CTRL] Fw: Should the Vatican be ousted from the U.N.? - News

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-Original Message-
From: american [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Newsgroups:
alt.religion.christian.roman-catholic,tnn.religion.catholic,alt.conspiracy,a
lt.conspiracy.jfk
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Should the Vatican be ousted from the U.N.? - News


In article FuY73.4116$[EMAIL PROTECTED], "Othmer"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 If the Vatican is expelled from the UN, then UN should expelled from
United
 States soil(NY)

 Jim Carew sfo




Which would prove once and for all that the U.S. is, in fact, controlled
by pro-Vatican interestsRatlines, CIA, Kennedy Assassination, Vietnam,
Kosovo.




 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
  VATICAN CITY, JUN 10 (ZENIT).- On its web page
 

(http://news1.thdo.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_341000/341786.a
 sp),
  the BBC has launched a survey for response to the question: "Should the
  Vatican be ousted from the U.N.?" [Depending on your email software,
  part of the previous address may not be marked as a link. If not, you
  will have to copy the parts of the address into the Location bar on your
  browser with Cut and Paste or type it in by hand. There are no spaces in
  the address.]
 
  As the BBC itself notes, the proposal was initiated by organizations for
  population control. "Catholics for a Free Choice," an institution which
  is not recognized by the Church as it supports abortion, which is
  against Catholic teaching, invited some seventy NGOs with
  representatives at the U.N. to a meeting in early April to request that
  the Holy See no longer be allowed a Permanent Observer role at the U.N.
 
  With this objective in mind, 20,000 cards were distributed to the public
  to be sent to Kofi Annan, the secretary general, protesting the
  Vatican's presence. According to the campaign organizers, it is
  unacceptable that the Catholic Church should enjoy this privilege which
  is denied all other religions.
 
  As a Permanent Observer, a status it holds in common with Switzerland,
  the Vatican can participate and vote in U.N. International Conferences
  and take part in discussions of the General Assembly, but it may not
  vote on resolutions or political recommendations, nor does it provide
  military forces for U.N. interventions.
 
  "What privileges are they referring to?" Archbishop Renato Martino,
  Vatican Permanent Observer at the United Nations, asked the Italian
  daily "Avvenire" in its June 10 edition. "In fact, the Holy See has had
  both an active and passive right of legation since the 4th century. Its
  international juridical status is universally recognized. How can a seat
  at the U.N. be considered a privilege, when the Holy See has had stable
  diplomatic relations for centuries with a great number of countries?"
 
  The campaign, which in the beginning passed relatively unnoticed, found
  a growing echo when Bishop Elio Sgreccia, Vice-President of the
  Pontifical Academy for Life, revealed that the U.N. Population Fund was
  distributing abortifacient pills to Kosovar women in refugee camps. That
  campaign was strongly supported by institutions like the International
  Planned Parenthood Federation, the multinational dedicated to promoting
  abortion, and the U.N. Population Fund itself. It was at this point that
  the BBC survey got underway.
 
  At present the Holy See maintains diplomatic relations with 170
  governments. If it were to be expelled from the U.N., all these
  countries would have to break relations with the Vatican, which is not
  objectively realistic.
 
  The campaign promoters have admitted to "Avvenire" that this is not
  their real objective. Rather, they are trying to "stop an organization"
  that constantly tries to block the U.N. in its initiatives.
 
  This objective is articulated clearly in the BBC's survey question: "Do
  you think the Vatican should be ousted for voicing its religious views
  on contraception?" Much of the response to the BBC poll has been in
  favor of the idea, and at times is fiercely anti-Catholic.
 
  The campaign is unfolding on the eve of the special session of the U.N.
  General Assembly, which will be held at the end of June in New York to
  examine the commitments adopted at the International Conference on
  Population and Development held in Cairo in September, 1994, known as
  the Cairo+5. Participants in the June meeting say there will be
  discussions on promotion of contraception and abortion among adolescents
  and an attempt to rank all types of unions as equivalent to matrimony.
 
  The campaign to expel the Vatican from the U.N. has been described by
  the Holy See's spokesman, Joaquin Navarro-Valls, in statements to
  "Avvenire," as "a clumsy attempt to silence the Catholic Church."
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[CTRL] Free Trade vs World Government

[Lloyd Miller]

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Not so. But the globalists would have you believe so.
Any country with the population and natural resources could be totally
independent of the rest of the world. And if free can show the rest by
example. Size has nothing to do with prosperity and trade is unnecessary
and a waste of energy resources shipping back and forth.

Lloyd Sez:  The above is fantasy, I am afraidSize has nothing to do with
prosperity?  Trade unnecessary?  Afraid not folkstrade has always been
critical as resources are not evenly distributed.  Even more important,
technology export has always been critical to development elsewhere.  Full
employment can be obtained without trade [grinding, struggling
over-employment!], but not prosperity [meaning a high standard of living].
All of economic history shows that increase specialization and division of
labor leads to a higher standard of living.

We should be opposed to the World Government International Institutions that
create an unjust international political spoils systemnot real free
trade.

External competition is
destructive between countries that are not equals. Like free and slave or
one with organized labor and another where it's forbidden.

Lloyd Sez:  Yikes!  Now we are going to pretend that labor unions increase
prosperity?  Nonsensethey are just the weight that efficient unorganized
labor has to carry through higher prices.  Only during the adjustment phase
is economic competition between countries destructive.  Protected economies
are unstable.  When they are exposed to international competion they must
re-adjust their productive activities to wherever their comparative
advantage lies... Their reward is the low prices for imported goods.  Of
course, in military and political competion, competion is always destructive
for the "unequal".  Such military/political competition expressed through a
World Statist World Trade Organizationthat is a nightmare of
exploitation.

Competition internally is essential. Protectionism was and it necessary for
a free country to protect it's labor as we are about to learn again, Japan
already knows it now that its labor is paid as much or more than ours.

Lloyd Sez:  Effective wages are all that countsbeing stubborn about
money wages are silly.  Lower wages can be more effective if one has access
to lower prices via unregulated imports.

It is fighting the imports it makes off its own shores from importing into
its internal markets. It's our markets that are supporting the world and we
are producing nothing at home. We are existing on large markups on their
cheap stuff. (cheap in cost not in quality because we own (interest) the
factories overseas).

Lloyd Sez:  "Markets" don't support the world.  Production supports!
Markets consume.  America, as the world Imperialist Super-State behind the
International facade (IMF-GTO-World Bank-Un- etc etc) creates the world's
money out of nothing and exports it to the rest of the world through our
"trade and investment" deficit and gains vast quantities of goods for
nothing.  A side effect of this is a continual pushing of US workers out of
one field of production after another.   This is not due to free trade, but
is due to America's export of Federal Reserve fiat money..Nothing can be
fixed unless honest money can be acheived.

Thus, the current system is not free trade, but a world Imperialist Statist
system.  It is not free trade that must be eliminated, it is the World
Imperialist, Super-Government system.

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[CTRL] Therapeutic Humane Cannabis

[Lloyd Miller]

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-Original Message-
From: Dr. Ken Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, June 10, 1999 1:49 PM
Subject: Therapeutic Humane Cannabis


THERAPEUTIC HUMANE CANNABIS

The Drug War is not about drugs. It is about war. Like any other war, it has
collateral casualties. Collateral casualties are the innocent civilians
whose suffering is tolerated in the name of war. Consider, for example, the
innocent children of Belgrade, who are going to bed tonight hungry, cold,
tired and afraid. They are collateral casualties. Some collateral casualties
of America's war on drugs would include the pain, suffering and even deaths
of innocent Americans.

Let me tell you about myself. I am an Adjunct Research Associate Professor
of Medicine at the University of Utah School of Medicine. The "Adjunct" part
of my title means I get my financial support from outside sources. I do
contract research for private drug companies. Recently, I did a project for
Atlantic Pharmaceutical. The new drug is called "CT-3." It sounds almost
like a character from "Star Wars," doesn't it? Anyway, this drug was formed
by attaching the active part of aspirin to the cannabinoid
Tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC. The result is a drug with high potency
analgesic (pain relief) and anti-inflammatory effects. My study investigated
the dose-response effects of CT-3 on analgesia, stomach injury and toxicity.

I found and reported that the drug had a very good dose-response curve for
pain relief, with virtually no injury to the stomach. In other words, the
THC part of the molecule protects the stomach from the aspirin part. I also
found it was impossible for me to put enough CT-3 into a rat stomach to
produce death. There simply was not sufficient room. Thus, CT-3 has the
potential to be the perfect drug for arthritis sufferers around the world.
It is as powerful as aspirin on pain and inflammation, with no stomach
irritation or oral toxicity. I don't know if humans can get "high" on CT-3,
but I suspect the dose would be so high, it would be at least 10 times as
expensive as getting high smoking pot, hardly an incentive for abuse.

The last I heard, Atlantic Pharmaceutical is not pursuing this potential
wonder drug for arthritis sufferers. I don't believe it is because the drug
is not effective or because of any adverse side effects. I suspect it is
because the drug is a cannabinoid and would test positive for THC in
urinalysis. I suspect this drug will never be available to the millions of
people suffering from arthritis because of America's war on drugs. I suspect
CT-3 is a collateral casualty. If CT-3 could have helped, then all those who
suffer because of its unavailabilty would be collateral casualties. How many
other drugs might be more effective if their adverse gastrointestinal
effects could be reduced or eliminated with the addition of THC? How many
other potential medical uses for THC will be collateral casualties? How many
undiscovered wonder drugs are missing from your pharmacy because of the drug
war?

Does this make sense to you? Are you willing to trust your doctor to open
you up and take out your appendix, but not trust her to prescribe
appropriate drugs for your suffering? All prescription drugs are potentially
dangerous and can be abused. That's why they are prescription drugs. Dozens
of prescription drugs are more deadly than cannabinoids. Dozens of
prescription drugs are more addictive than cannabinoids. Dozens of
prescription drugs are more intoxicating and psychotropic than cannabinoids.
Isn't it time we trust our medical professionals to make medical decisions?
If you wouldn't trust the Legislature or Congress to operate on your
appendix, why trust them with prescription decisions?

The THC petition is about restoring some sanity to a world gone mad. It is
about protecting three groups: 1) doctors who prescribe cannabinoids for
proven medical conditions, 2) patients with prescriptions for the use of
cannabinoids, and 3) suppliers of cannabinoids who supply only to patients
with prescriptions. It is not about making cannabis legal for non-medical
purposes.

We trust our dentists to inject Novocain, a derivative of cocaine. We trust
our doctors to prescribe codeine, a derivative of opium. Practically every
illegal drug has its legal and useful derivatives in medicine -- except
cannabinoids.

Let's return a little humanity to medicine. Let's support the therapeutic
use of cannabinoids to relieve human suffering. Let's support the
Therapeutic Humane Cannabis initiative petition in Utah.

Thank you,

Ken Larsen, Ph.D.
Adjunct Research Associate Professor of Medicine
Chairman of the Utah THC Committee

856 East 100 South #2
Salt Lake City, Utah 84102

801-533-8658
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[CTRL] BiG LiE: Guns More Available

[Lloyd Miller]

- heaven forbid -- go
on a shooting spree?" asked the national Libertarian Party
in a May 21 news release detailing these study results.
"Buy your youngster a gun."

"Politicians are apparently more interested in demonizing
guns than they are in facts," commented LP national director
Steve Dasbach, himself an Indiana government schoolteacher.
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[CTRL] 1999 BILDERBERG SUMMIT OPENS

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sh Economy (ETLA).

CH - Vasella, Daniel L. - Chairman and CEO, Novartis AG.

GR - Veremis, Thanos M. - Professor of Political History,
University of Athens; President of Eliamep.

A - Vranitzky, Franz - Former Federal Chancellor.

NL - Waal, Lodewjk J. de - Chairman, Dutch Confederation of
Trade Unions (FNV).

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Wolff GmbH.

TR - Yücaoglu, Erkut - Chairman, Tusiad.

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A - Zimmermann, Norbert - Chairman, Berndorf AG.

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From an anonymous Supporting Subscriber to the Project:

 "I think one result of the Serb War will be the return of Royalty that was
in exile.  (Their Prince is residing in London.)  About a year ago, another
Prince returned to Albania, coincidental with the arrival of UN troops.

 "Many of these exiled Royals are on record as ready to return to their
countries, but not as private citizens.  They expect to return to their
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[CTRL] Fw: How Christianity Harms the Race (http://www.amren.com/masterx.htm)

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 revolutionaries in 
Africa--revolutionaries who sometimes murdered white missionaries. The Southern 
Baptist Convention's leadership recently bowed before its one black member, 
apologizing for slavery and racism. Typically, the black member showed little 
gratitude for the gesture, complaining that not nearly enough had been done to 
alleviate the lingering effects of slavery.
Like their atheist counterparts, Christian trend-setters preach what amounts 
to the dissolution of the white race. Christian Coalition founder, Pat 
Robertson, supports more immigration from south of the border 
because the newcomers are nominally Christian, support family 
values, and are our kind of voters.
Mr. Robertson seems not to realize that Mestizo Christianity is often based 
on revolution theology, and its symbol is a Christ-figure with arms 
upraised, brandishing an AK-47 assault rifle. Revolution theology will help 
create Aztlan, the Bronze Continent, the new home of La 
Raza--literally, the race. Even a nominally Christian Aztlan 
would effectively decapitate Christianity as Mr. Robertson understands it, since 
altruistic universalist Christianity is largely a habit of Western people.
Billy Graham goes one further and says that the only solution to our race 
problem is for us to breed with non-whites until human differences disappear. He 
says we must take alien peoples into our hearts and our homes and, yes, 
into our marriages.
With ministers preaching racial suicide, Christianity may now be more of a 
threat to our survival than liberalism. At least with liberalism, one recognizes 
the enemy. But when Christian leaders take liberal positions, they leave the 
flock defenseless. Ralph Reed and Billy Graham are our opponents, no less than 
Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy.The Wall Street Journal recently ran a 
front page story titled Racial Reconciliation Becomes a Priority For the 
Religious Right: 
[T]he most energetic element of society [today] addressing 
racial divisions may also seem the most unlikely: the religious right. 
Across the country, conservative congregations and denominations, 
while sticking to other stringent principles of conservative religious 
thinking such as the proscription of homosexuality and abortion, are 
embracing a concept called `biblical racial reconciliation'--a belief that 
as part of their efforts to please God, they are required by Scripture to 
work for racial harmony.
If even the Christian right has become part of the rout of 
traditional Christianity; it is because the New Testament opens the door to 
universalism. Oswald Spengler wrote that Christian theology is the 
grandmother of Bolshevism, and indeed, ministers routinely preach the 
social gospel, invoking a universalism that differs little from the 
agenda of the radical left.
A Chimera
Yet ironically, the universalist goal is a chimera. Since those who displace 
us do not, by definition, maintain our moral standards--for if they did they 
would not be replacing us--our flawed moral system will vanish with us. As Prof. 
Hardin explains in his 1982 essay, Discriminating Altruisms, 
[universalism] cannot survive in competition with discrimination. A 
group that practices universal altruism--and whites are the only group that 
does--cannot compete against groups that do not.
Some Christians would say that none of this matters because believers will 
one day ascend to their reward in Heaven. However, the vision of Heaven can 
subvert the imperative of survival. If, in their fervor to enter Heaven, 
Christians fail to have children or to build a nation in which their children 
can maintain their way of life, the race will not continue. It is worth noting 
that Heaven is an entirely personal reward, which can be pursued at the expense 
of family, tribe or race. Selfishness thus joins universalism in modern 
Christianity, completely inverting nature's design of loyalty to family and 
tribe.
Christianity's flaws did not threaten us until technology and ideology made 
their consequences felt on a world-wide scale. Now, our moral code must renounce 
universalism and emphasize our own survival. Unless we adopt moral beliefs in 
keeping with the realities of today's demographics, we will not survive the 
mounting wave of Third World immigration, procreation and miscegenation. It is 
in this sense that, as Jean Raspail says, Christian charity will prove 
itself powerless. Christian charity can hardly stop a demographic 
displacement that it helped set in motion.
Christians must return to that old-time religion. Today's version 
is destroying us. 
Christianity Pro and Con 

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[CTRL] Fw: Interview with Noam Chomsky

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Some interesting info in this Chomsky interview, but the world's
leading "fake anarchist" gives himself away...can't even commit
to legalizing drugs!
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Date: Thursday, June 03, 1999 10:51 PM
Subject: Interview with Noam Chomsky


-  http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senate/3761/drugs.html

The War on Drugs
The Drug War Industrial Complex

High Times Interview with Noam Chomsky, April 1998

by John Veit
transcribed by Paul Freedom

HT: You've defined the War on Drugs as an instrument of population control.
How does it accomplish that?

CHOMSKY: Population control is actually a term I borrowed from the
counterinsurgency literature of the Kennedy years. The main targets at the
time were Southeast Asia and Latin America, where there was an awful lot of
popular ferment. They recognized that the population was supporting popular
forces that were calling for all kinds of social change that the United
States simply could not tolerate. And you could control people in a number
of ways. One way was just by terror and violence, napalm bombing and so on,
but they also worked on developing other kinds of population-control
measures to keep people subjugated, ranging from propaganda to
concentration camps. Propaganda is much more effective when it is combined
with terror.

You have the same problem domestically, where the public is constantly
getting out of control. You have to carry out measures to insure that they
remain passive and apathetic and obedient, and don't interfere with
privilege or power. It's a major theme of modern democracy. As the
mechanisms of democracy expand, like enfranchisement and growth, the need
to control people by other means increases.

So the growth of corporate propaganda in the United States more or less
parallels the growth of democracy, for quite straightforward reasons. It's
not any kind of secret. It is discussed very frankly and openly in business
literature and academic social-science journals. You have to "fight the
everlasting battle for the minds of men," in their standard phraseology, to
indoctrinate and regiment them in the way that armies regiment their
bodies. Those are population control measures. This engineering or
manufacture of consent is the essence of democracy, because you have to
insure that ignorant and meddlesome outsiders -- meaning we, the people --
don't interfere with the work of the serious people who run public affairs
in the interests of the privileged.

HT: How does the War on Drugs fit into this?

CHOMSKY: Well, one of the traditional and obvious ways of controlling
people in every society, whether it's a military dictatorship or a
democracy, is to frighten them. If people are frightened, they'll be
willing cede authority to their superiors who will protect them: "OK, I'll
let you run my life in order to protect me," that sort of reasoning.

So the fear of drugs and the fear of crime is very much stimulated by state
and business propaganda. The National Justice Commission repeatedly points
out that crime in the United States, while sort of high, is not off the
spectrum for industrialized societies. On the other hand, fear of crime is
far beyond other societies, and mostly stimulated by various propaganda.
The Drug War is an effort to stimulate fear of dangerous people from who we
have to protect ourselves. It is also, a direct form of control of what are
called "dangerous classes," those superfluous people who don't really have
a function contributing to profit-making and wealth. They have to be
somehow taken care of.

HT: In some other countries you just hang the rabble.

CHOMSKY: Yes, but in the U.S. you don't kill them, you put them in jail.
The economic policies of the 1980's sharply increased inequality,
concentrating such economic growth as there was, which was not enormous, in
very few hands. The top few percent of the population got extremely wealthy
as profits went through the roof, and meanwhile median-income wages were
stagnating or declining sharply since the '70's. You're getting a large
mass of people who are insecure, suffering from difficulty to misery, or
something in between. A lot of them are basically going to be arrested,
because you have to control them.

HT: It's absolutely true, but how do you prove it?

CHOMSKY: Just by looking at the trend lines for marijuana. Marijuana use
was peaking in the late '70's, but there was not much criminalization. You
didn't go to jail for having marijuana then because the people using it
were nice folks like us, the children of the rich. You don't throw them
into jail any more than you throw corporate executives into jail -- even
though corporate crime is more costly and dangerous than street crime. But
then in the '80's the use of various "unhealthy" substances started

[CTRL] Trenchcoat Video made by an FBI Agent's Son

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lved
weapons, explosive materials, detailed plans, maps, hit lists, and
numbers of co-conspirators.  I really have to say--what the holy fuck
is going on in America with our (older[?]--so far, I guess!) children
at this point? I mean--HELP!   LOOSE THREADS  At Newshawk we have
become aware of an apparent discrepancy in statements made by the
Brown family concerning the whereabouts of Brook's older brother
during the shooting. It had previously been reported that Brooks's
older brother was inside the building and this fact was KNOWN by
Brooks when he claims he was warned away from the school by Harris.
Brooks stated this as an indication that he would never have been
involved in any way with the massacre. It was further stated that
Brooks's brother was ON THE STAIRWAY and was fired at directly by
Harris but not hit. What's interesting however is that in their
appearance on Oprah Winfrey's show on 5/20/99, it was said that the
older Brown boy was in the cafeteria when the shooting broke out and
he never saw either Harris or Klebold directly!  Why would there be
two completely different versions of this point?  Let's keep in mind
here that lead FBI Columbine investigator Fuselier's son WAS DIRECTLY
TIED Columbine "Trenchcoat" activities -- including the making of the
"prophetic," simulated "mass murder" video made in 1997 along with
Brooks Brown, and other associates of Dylan Klebold (Harris's
involvement in this particular project seems unlikely).   The fact
that police and SWAT teams remained outside 4 hours exchanging
gunfire with (only 2?) assailants is proof there were in fact a lot
more than 2 shooters; that SWAT teams had been informed that there
were more than two shooters and had been ordered to stay back and
hold off from any full-on intrusion for a period of time (almost 4
hours). It seems increasingly likely that FBI/BATF agents AND other
trenchcoat-affiliated students involved with the mayhem inside the
school needed sufficient time to "clean up their act", remove traces
of their presence and get out of there.  And why did early reports
claim 25 dead? Where did that number come from? Were there truly
other dead, perhaps some of the other shooters who were not supposed
to be in any official versions of the incident, whose bodies were
removed? Or perhaps there were "supposed" to be more dead in some
original planning for the massacre, which it now seems likely not
only Columbine trenchcoaters but also the FBI and probably the BATF,
the CIA, other military agencies tied to Flight Safety where Wayne
Harris worked, etc., were completely involved with from the very
beginning.  The presence of huge numbers of military contingents at
the "memorial" service is undeniable AND very bizarre.  There is so
much wrong with this whole business that it is truly extraordinarily
strange, weird, and VERY SCARY--especially for a parent or any person
living in AmeriKa.

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Re: [CTRL] Constitutional gun control

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No!  The Amendment says, in effect:   _Because_ a well regulated militia is
necessary, _then_ the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
The arms involved should be those normally used by soldiers in WAR!  Assault
rifles, if not 50 Caliber Machine guns, should be legal!

THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGEDit doesn't matter
whythat is what the Bill of Rights says!  No licensing, no registration,
no prohibition of carrying concealed weapons!The Founding Fathers were
all gun nuts!  The first thing the British tried to do in Boston was seize
supplies of powder and ball!  The Founding Fathers knew that liberty must be
defended on occasion by just violence!

Citizens who misuse guns should be punished severely.  Using a gun in a
crime of any kind is threatened murder and should result in the death
penalty or life in prison.


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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 2:48 PM
Subject: RE: Constitutional gun control


One friend wrote:

Ken,

But the 2nd Amendment gives a specific "well-regulated" purpose for bearing
arms, right?  It does not use the word individual.  Also, the Supreme
Court, or so I have been told, has never interpreted the 2nd amendment to
apply on the level of the individual.


Well, sir, we can accept the definitions of our enemies, or we can use the
definitions of our Founders.  "Well-regulated" means "well trained and
well-equipped," not "well-limited."  "People" means "individuals."  It does
not refer to some group of people.  The Federalist Papers make it clear
that the Second Amendment applies to the right of each individual to be
equipped with arms so that each state might have a "well-regulated"
militia.  If gun ownership were a state right, they would have said "the
right of the states to keep and bear arms."  In the Tenth Amendment, both
"states" and "people" are used, indicating they are separate, and "people"
cannot mean "states."  The Fourth Amendment says, "The right of the people
to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against
unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated."  Do you think
that the "people" in the Fourth Amendment are different from the "people"
in the Second?

One of the purposes of the Constitution is to protect you and me, "the
people" from usurpations of power by the government.  The Supreme Court
Justices are appointed by the President and ratified by the Senate.  Are
they on the side of the government or the people?  What makes you think
they would not be motivated to interpret the Constitution in favor of
government and against the rights of the people?  Where does the
Constitution say it is whatever the Supreme Court says it is?  If the
people are willing to surrender their Holy Constitution to the whims of the
Supreme Court, they no longer deserve its protections and they will lose
them.

I once wrote a petition on which we got over 20,000 signatures, asking my
Congressman to use his constitutional powers ("with such exceptions, and
under such regulations as the Congress shall make." -- Article III, Section
2) to restrict the Supreme Court's power to review state abortion laws.  He
said he could not restrain the Supreme Court because they had the power to
interpret the constitutionality of anything Congress did.  That important
check and balance held by Congress over the Supreme Court has been lost due
to our traditional enthronment of the Supreme Court.  Actually, the
Constitution gave no such sweeping powers to the Supreme Court.  They stole
that power in Marbury vs Madison in 1803.  I am just trying to challenge
that 200-year-old myth.  I may stand alone, but I am right.

Ken

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Re: [CTRL] NATO against Germany

[Lloyd Miller]

 -Caveat Lector-

Rather than the below remarks, I would state:

1. The US cannot rule Europe and Germany without control of NATO and a
Russian threat.

2.  The current Balkan War serves the German-Vatican-Islamic axis
interests vs the Orthodox Slavic forces and maintenance of US power in
Europe.  However, if NATO is perceived to "loose" NATO could be disolved or
radically transformed to a German lead European force [exit the US], the
basis for a new Holy Roman Empire with ravenous eyes toward the East.

Lloyd Miller, A-albionic Research
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Date: Tuesday, June 01, 1999 5:33 PM
Subject: NATO against Germany



 Subj: Re: A NATO TO CONTROL GERMANY
Date: 5/22/99 1:44:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time
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From : Guillermo Coletti
   P.O. Box 61221
   Pasadena  CA 91106
   USA

May 22, 1999

The following piece contains information crucial to the
improvement of our understanding of the current war of
aggression against the Serbs and the former and on-going
hostilities against the German people.  Help me propagate
this article.  Forward it to friends, journalists, like-
minded people, post it in your website, etc.  Many thanks.

A NATO TO CONTROL GERMANY
by Guillermo Coletti
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I have often considered writing about the real purpose of the
North Atlantic Treaty Organization as I see it, however,
lack of means to substantiate a number of my suspicions
was a major reason of discouragement.  Now I have something
at my disposal that can help me break the ice: an American
General speaks candidly on the real reasons for the existence
of NATO.  What he has to say is quite interesting for the
uninitiated as well as for the irreverent and the perennial
skeptic.  I will use this opportunity to explain some of
my initial ideas on this matter.

Adolf Hitler, along with Mussolini, and other European leaders,
was involved in an extraordinary effort to eradicate the
threat of Bolshevik tyranny from Europe.  The stability of the
governments they led was threatened via the USA as much, or
perhaps more, than any danger that could have originated in
Moscow.  When Hitler's defense of Europe was forced into the
military alternative the Unites States made an alliance with
Stalin.  That to me was an indication that America was becoming
friendlier to Communism than to the values of traditional
Europe.  We know that American intervention resulted in a
greater and stronger Soviet Russia.  The Communists have indeed
a debt of gratitude to America for the expansion of Bolshevism.
But when the Second World War was over America "agitated" the
anti-Communist cause and formed NATO!  Why NATO?  It all
sounded very phony to me because if America had truly stood
against Bolshevism it should have joined Hitler, Mussolini and
Franco, instead of Josef Stalin.  Yet, America never admitted
to have fought ont he wrong side.  I can't help but asking
myself when was NATO a real problem for the stability of
Soviet Communism?  Certainly not when Russian tanks and the
Red Army occupied the streets of Prague, or Budapest.  The anti-
Communism of the American Establishment was always been as
serious as an Abbot and Costello movie.  America's true concern
was what Germany represented and what to this day survives in
the German.  Ellie Wiesel expressed similar sentiments when he
advocated that every Jew must have some room in his heart for
hatred against the Germans.  The difference between Wiesel and
non-Jews Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Eisenhower is that Wiesel
expressed his emotions with sincerity.  The real threat to the
American Way, the America of the Gay Pride Parades and Martin
Luther King Day, was not Bolshevism but the Traditional Western
values that Germany tried to maintain at the expense of a
multitude of sacrifices.

On April 24, 1999, NBC aired John McLaughlin's "One on One."
The show had the participation of two guests: Lieutenant
General William Odom and Professor Harvey Sapolsky.  We are
going to review some of the remarks made by General Odom.
General Odom was introduced as a graduate from West Point
who obtained his PhD at Columbia.  He served in President
Carter's National Security Council and during President
Reagan's administration in the Office of the Army Chief of
Staff for intelligence and for the director of Reagan's
National Security Agency.  He is currently director of
International Security Studies at the Hudson Institute and
professor of Public Policy and Organization in the Department
of Political Science at the prestigious Massachussetts
Institute of Technology, where he is also the Director of the
Security Program.  Gen. Odom authored six books, the latest
of which is "The Collapse of Soviet Military."

What I have suspected as the real purpose of NATO w

[CTRL] Fw: Bilderberg

[Lloyd Miller]

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Monday, May 31, 1999 8:13 AMSubject: 
Bilderberg
John K. Whitley, an internationally respected 
researcher into the Bilderberg movement, has sent us what is reliably believed 
to be the Sintra agenda. The items are as credible as they can be at this late 
stage and, bearing in mind the secrecy of this group, it could have been already 
altered somewhat since the last contact was made with a Bilderberger insider. 
The entire agenda will be printed in the Toronto-based New World Order 
Intelligence Update later this week at www.inforamp.net/~jwhitley/bild98.htm 


The first point open for discussion in Sintra 
will be the review of the progress being made in the formation of an Asian bloc 
under the leadership of Japan. Free trade, a single currency and a political 
union similar to the European Union is planned for the region. The installation 
of an American Union is up for discussion, this being similar to the E.U, with a 
quick review of the scheduled splintering of Canada. This theme was originally 
scheduled for discussion in 1997, though the proposed break-up of Canada has 
been reportedly facilitated by the presence of a Canadian media magnate and 
alleged Bilderberger.

Next on the agenda, and more contemporary, is 
the Kosovo war. The Bilderberg meeting will include discussions on the formation 
of a greater Albanian state following trusteeship of an 
independent Kosovo, the dismemberment of Yugoslavia (by the return 
of its northern province, which has 350,000 ethnic Hungarians, to Hungary) as 
part of a general re-drawing of borders in the region (calculated to continue 
regional instability and conflict), and the reconstruction worth billions of 
dollars of the destroyed regional infrastructure at western tax payers' expense. 


Another item is the ultimate replacement of NATO 
with a Western European Army, probably sooner than later due to the bad press 
NATO has endured over this current campaign. Efforts will be made to speed up 
the transformation of the W.E.U into a credible European military force 
initially relying on American back up. This will complete American military 
disengagement from Western Europe and leave US forces available for wider global 
policing, if necessary, with W.E.U. backup in return (first reported on the 
Bilderberg plan in the 1996 Bilderberg report). The key point here is that the 
Bilderbergers win no matter what happens to NATO - if it survives a little 
longer, they can use it as an emergency global police force; if it loses 
credibility over the Kosovo affair, then they just accelerate its replacement in 
Europe with the W.E.U. which they planned on doing anyway. 

Bilderbergers are said to be extremely concerned 
about the global impact of, and opportunities offered by, the Y2K problem (which 
the Bilderbergers believe to be far worse than many people have realised). The 
alleged presence of Bill Gates at the Sintra meeting may substantiate this 
claim. On the possible appointment of a Y2K Czar to oversee global passage 
through the Y2K Emergency (one name repeatedly coming up as the most 
likely candidate here is Mikhail Gorbachev, whose international standing would 
win him ready acceptance).

Other key topics so far are said to be some oil 
items and financial affairs (IMF, U.S. economy and stock market, gold market 
manipulation). 

With the meeting now only a few days away, 
nothing has appeared in the Portuguese, European or international media, though 
the internet is 'alive' with speculation. One international press agency in 
Lisbon is reported to have said that it has been waiting for the international 
press to request stories or photos, yet so far not one single request has been 
received from anywhere.

The wall of silence remains impregnable - 
almost!

Stop Press: 

As The News went to press on Thursday we 
received two additional agenda items from John Whitley. 

1. Preparation for a mid-East peace 
settlement (ie - the declaration of a Palestinian State and the final 
disposition of Jerusalem - quote: The results for Israel will not be 
good.) This explains the heavy emphasis on Israeli and international 
Jewish representation, plus the attendance of key representatives of Arab 
regimes which are implacably opposed to Israel - quote: The deal on 
Jerusalem has already been done, and the Golan issue is being ironed out right 
now.

2. Global taxation in support of the UN, as the 
emerging global governance centre, to begin with a world-wide tax on 
e-commerce (this may be why the CEO's of so many key computer companies, 
including Bill Gates, are in attendance) and to be followed by an individual 
direct tax collected on the UN's behalf by national 
governments.

***Lloyd 
Miller, Research Director for A-albionic Research (POB 20273,Ferndale, MI 
48220), a ruling class/conspiracy research resource