Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-12-10 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:20:54 UTC, bearophile wrote: eles: Speaking about that, why DMD's source files are written in C++ but bear extension .c? You seem to appreciate for yourselves a freedom that he denies to others. Thank you for bringing that good example. Forbidding

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-12-10 Thread Frustrated
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:39:27 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:34:37 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:22, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:13:20 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:01, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-12-10 Thread eles
On Tuesday, 10 December 2013 at 09:44:38 UTC, Frustrated wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:39:27 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:34:37 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:22, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:13:20 UTC, dennis luehring

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-11-01 Thread Craig Dillabaugh
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 17:09:09 UTC, Leandro Lucarella wrote: Craig Dillabaugh, el 31 de October a las 15:54 me escribiste: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:29:34 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: This seems like a bit of

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 22:35:14 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 21:11:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 12:42 AM, eles wrote:

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 22:35:14 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 21:11:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 12:42 AM, eles wrote: Thank you for considering it.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:16:22 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 22:35:14 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 21:11:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread bearophile
eles: Speaking about that, why DMD's source files are written in C++ but bear extension .c? You seem to appreciate for yourselves a freedom that he denies to others. Thank you for bringing that good example. Forbidding arbitrary extensions for D code, and enforcing a common standard name

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:20:54 UTC, bearophile wrote: eles: Thank you for bringing that good example. Forbidding arbitrary extensions for D code, and enforcing a common standard name helps avoid mistakes like those .c extensions in the C++ sources, that numerous persons keep

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:16:22 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 22:35:14 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 21:11:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious - maybe, maybe not - but not because of your stupid file extension comments It adds. Tell to my boss about that extensions and he will be grateful for you

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:20:54 UTC, bearophile wrote: eles: Bye, bearophile Well, then allow just extension .d or NO EXTENSION, but consider files named like: script.no1 script.julia script.no5 just as being standard names without any extension (you may see for yourself that

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Must always use script_no1 or script_no1.d? And maybe one day I have a lot of .py files that I intend to replace with D scripts TRANSPARENTLY for their user. Will D bow at me why I use the .py extension? Is D trying to shoot his own foot? It really seems to succeed quite well. My boss is

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious - maybe, maybe not - but not because of your stupid file extension comments It adds. Tell to my boss about that extensions and he

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious better try to find a more experienced, serious Boss Do

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious i don't get it You never wrote git extension scripts,

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Dicebot
File content should have nothing to do with extension, it is as good part of name as any other. Adding any extra meaning to it is just some DOS legacy.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious - maybe, maybe not - but not because of your stupid file

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Am 31.10.2013 15:45, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious better try to find a

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Craig Dillabaugh
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:29:34 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious - maybe, maybe not - but not because of your stupid file extension comments It adds. Tell to my boss

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:29:34 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Finally, you've said a few times that D has crappy tooling. I am not sure how this file naming

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Am 31.10.2013 15:45, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious better try to find a

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Craig Dillabaugh
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: clip This seems like a bit of bikeshedding issue. You may have a strong preference for one option, apparently others feel differently. Is it really that big an issue? I don't think the quality of a language depends on its

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:57:43 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh eles, seeing your post above, I guess my use of Python to justify my answer turns out to a bad choice on my part :o) That's true. I hate using it, especially

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:57:15 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:45, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Am 31.10.2013 16:01, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:57:15 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:45, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:29, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC,

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:45:46 UTC, Dicebot wrote: File content should have nothing to do with extension, it is as good part of name as any other. Adding any extra meaning to it is just some DOS legacy. When I first came to Linux I was wondering how the OS knows it should execute

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Craig Dillabaugh
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:58:33 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: Go to that bug report, read the very first message that Walter used to open the bug report, see about yourself, then come back here and tell me that the .d thing

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:13:20 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:01, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:57:15 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:45, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:22:41 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:58:33 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh Really, I can see why you want the suggested change, I am just surprised at the level of importance you

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:22:41 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:58:33 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: Furthermore, reading the Bugzilla entry, it seems there as many who support your idea as those

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Am 31.10.2013 16:22, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:13:20 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:01, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:57:15 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 15:45, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:39:34 UTC,

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:34:37 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:22, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:13:20 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013 16:01, schrieb eles: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:57:15 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: Am 31.10.2013

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:22:41 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:58:33 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: I could also argue that this issue is a with git requiring a 'git-' suffix on its scripts

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread eles
On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 16:12:44 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 15:22:41 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:58:33 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:54:17 UTC, Craig Dillabaugh wrote: Or, it happens, the state lottery

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Leandro Lucarella
dennis luehring, el 31 de October a las 15:28 me escribiste: Must always use script_no1 or script_no1.d? And maybe one day I have a lot of .py files that I intend to replace with D scripts TRANSPARENTLY for their user. Will D bow at me why I use the .py extension? Is D trying to shoot

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Leandro Lucarella
Craig Dillabaugh, el 31 de October a las 15:54 me escribiste: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:29:34 UTC, eles wrote: On Thursday, 31 October 2013 at 14:28:05 UTC, dennis luehring wrote: 3. My boss is right: is just a toy pretending to be serious - maybe, maybe not - but not because of your

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread dennis luehring
Am 31.10.2013 17:44, schrieb Leandro Lucarella: dennis luehring, el 31 de October a las 15:28 me escribiste: Must always use script_no1 or script_no1.d? And maybe one day I have a lot of .py files that I intend to replace with D scripts TRANSPARENTLY for their user. Will D bow at me why I use

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-31 Thread Leandro Lucarella
dennis luehring, el 31 de October a las 18:25 me escribiste: Am 31.10.2013 17:44, schrieb Leandro Lucarella: dennis luehring, el 31 de October a las 15:28 me escribiste: Must always use script_no1 or script_no1.d? And maybe one day I have a lot of .py files that I intend to replace with D

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread eles
On Friday, 25 October 2013 at 20:24:48 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/25/2013 6:15 AM, eles wrote: Breaking peoples' build scripts and makefiles is not nice :-) On the same grounds, you could recommend them dmc. Provide, at least, a flag that passes the file without name change, for

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread eles
On Friday, 25 October 2013 at 15:57:27 UTC, Namespace wrote: On Friday, 25 October 2013 at 13:24:12 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 12 October 2013 at 22:16:13 UTC, Walter Bright When was decided to add this? I would love it, but I cannot remember that this was decided. Well, like many other

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/26/2013 12:42 AM, eles wrote: Provide, at least, a flag that passes the file without name change, for example: dmd -ntest will really pass test file and not test.d. I'm curious why naming the file test.d is an issue?

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread eles
On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 12:42 AM, eles wrote: I'm curious why naming the file test.d is an issue? Case: This forces scrpts to bear the .d extension. For example, if you write a script on Linux named git-test and you put at the top:

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: I'm curious why naming the file test.d is an issue? Case: Thanks for the clear explanation. It makes a lot of sense. Let me think about it for a bit.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 12:42 AM, eles wrote: I'm curious why naming the file test.d is an issue? Case: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=11365

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-26 Thread eles
On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 21:11:02 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 2:02 AM, eles wrote: On Saturday, 26 October 2013 at 08:36:53 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/26/2013 12:42 AM, eles wrote: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=11365 Thank you for considering it.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-25 Thread eles
On Saturday, 12 October 2013 at 22:16:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd2beta.zip Current list of regressions: It is a specific reason why this is kept?: http://forum.dlang.org/thread/ohduisigpwdiqhpde...@forum.dlang.org#post-btwbpwgluzyxmhphwebp:40forum.dlang.org

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-25 Thread eles
On Saturday, 12 October 2013 at 22:16:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd2beta.zip Current list of regressions: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedbug_severity=regressionbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENED And the famous

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-25 Thread Namespace
On Friday, 25 October 2013 at 13:24:12 UTC, eles wrote: On Saturday, 12 October 2013 at 22:16:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd2beta.zip Current list of regressions:

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-25 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/25/2013 6:15 AM, eles wrote: It is a specific reason why this is kept?: http://forum.dlang.org/thread/ohduisigpwdiqhpde...@forum.dlang.org#post-btwbpwgluzyxmhphwebp:40forum.dlang.org Breaking peoples' build scripts and makefiles is not nice :-)

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-24 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 24 October 2013 07:44, Iain Buclaw ibuc...@ubuntu.com wrote: On 24 October 2013 02:29, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: Beta 3: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.2.064.beta.3.zip I suppose I better start opening a branch in gdc for the new release Noticed this in meld,

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-23 Thread Walter Bright
Beta 3: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.2.064.beta.3.zip

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-22 Thread Rory McGuire
Why not just copy what Linus does with the Linux kernel. Different people in charge of different parts of the compiler. Pull requests should go to the correct person, who then makes a pull request that goes to the main line. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 12:31 PM, Leandro Lucarella

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-22 Thread Iain Buclaw
On 22 October 2013 08:35, Rory McGuire rjmcgu...@gmail.com wrote: Why not just copy what Linus does with the Linux kernel. Different people in charge of different parts of the compiler. Pull requests should go to the correct person, who then makes a pull request that goes to the main line.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-20 Thread Kagamin
On Saturday, 19 October 2013 at 11:39:08 UTC, Iain Buclaw wrote: It has been about 3 months since the last release of the D front-end implementation. Three years experience and carrying out over 100 merges into GDC tells me that each time the development cycle starts edging towards it's

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-19 Thread ilya-stromberg
On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 20:29:29 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/18/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: As a simple start, did you consider announcing the beta yourself? I didn't, because I disliked the current model and tied my hands when I saw the new beta

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-19 Thread Johannes Pfau
Am Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:45:27 -0700 schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org: - We do not have any defined release timeline. When is it time to start prepping for a release? It's up to Walter's arbitrary decision for when this happens, he doesn't even talk to the community

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-19 Thread Benjamin Thaut
Am 18.10.2013 20:45, schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu: Walter and I frequently think of ways to gently steer people toward working on specific items. Votes, categorization, discussions are of limited impact. On occasion we've emailed major contributors directly and asked politely but point blank if

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-19 Thread Iain Buclaw
On Oct 19, 2013 10:11 AM, Johannes Pfau nos...@example.com wrote: Am Fri, 18 Oct 2013 11:45:27 -0700 schrieb Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org: - We do not have any defined release timeline. When is it time to start prepping for a release? It's up to Walter's arbitrary

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-10-17 22:35, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: - Walter is still not tagging the beta releases by the file name (it's always dmd2beta.zip). I've complained about this several times and IIRC someone else did as well at dconf (maybe I'm remembering wrong though). They should at least be named as

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread eles
On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 06:36:43 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On 2013-10-17 22:35, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: - Walter is still not tagging the beta releases by the file name (it's always dmd2beta.zip). I've complained about this several times and IIRC someone else did as well at dconf (maybe

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/17/2013 11:45 PM, deadalnix wrote: Also, when NOT using the unittest flag, a lot of my code do not compile, symbol _D6object15__T7reserveTyaZ7reserveFNaNbNeKAyamZm is missing. See: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=11284

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 10/18/13, eles e...@eles.com wrote: IIRC, Walter wanted that file to always be named dmd.zip or dmd2.zip or whatever, in order to allow a permanent download link, while guaranteeing the file to be the latest version of the tool. This is the wrong approach. There should be a latest_beta

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 10/18/13 7:08 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/18/13, eles e...@eles.com wrote: IIRC, Walter wanted that file to always be named dmd.zip or dmd2.zip or whatever, in order to allow a permanent download link, while guaranteeing the file to be the latest version of the tool. This is the wrong

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Benjamin Thaut
Am 18.10.2013 09:33, schrieb deadalnix: On Friday, 18 October 2013 at 07:21:47 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: On 10/17/2013 11:45 PM, deadalnix wrote: Also, when NOT using the unittest flag, a lot of my code do not compile, symbol _D6object15__T7reserveTyaZ7reserveFNaNbNeKAyamZm is missing. See:

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Friday, October 18, 2013 08:57:00 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Speaking of which, insisting on using .zip files is another beef I have with Walter. The whole everyone on Windows is stuck in the 90s mentality is plain wrong, especially for programmers. 7zip (or Peazip or whatever) should

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 10/18/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: I don't think that makes a large difference. Probably the better thing to do is trimming the contents of the archive. Right, but this is more general. He also dislikes non-zip archives in bugzilla attachments.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Rory McGuire
On 18 Oct 2013 19:45, Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com wrote: On Friday, October 18, 2013 08:57:00 Andrei Alexandrescu wrote: Speaking of which, insisting on using .zip files is another beef I have with Walter. The whole everyone on Windows is stuck in the 90s mentality is plain

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
This is a good list of things that we could and should improve. Getting all minded to perfection would be difficult, but definitely worth living into. I appreciate your enthusiasm for and involvement in D. At the top level a few simple realities need to be understood. First, there is no OSS

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/18/2013 12:33 AM, deadalnix wrote: I highly doubt that this fit into cases 1 to 4 as you mention. I'll however double check with that in mind. I want to know about any other cases, so please investigate. That also doesn't explain why I get a closure bug (frame pointer or frame content

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/18/2013 11:17 AM, Rory McGuire wrote: Does it even support executable permissions? Yes, it does.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Rory McGuire
On 18 Oct 2013 21:00, Walter Bright newshou...@digitalmars.com wrote: On 10/18/2013 11:17 AM, Rory McGuire wrote: Does it even support executable permissions? Yes, it does. Nice. It's there any particular reason you prefer zip? I guess it's irrelevant what the current format is if we start

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Jason King
I get bitten by it locally too: if there's a test with an inaccurate sql query with time formatted as string, the sql server doesn't always compute it, because the default human-readable time format is taken from the current locale, and to parse it one first has to guess the format itself,

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/18/2013 12:14 PM, Rory McGuire wrote: Nice. It's there any particular reason you prefer zip? It's easy and works on all platforms. I also point out that, for all platforms supported, when we do a release we also build a custom download package for each platform in that platform's

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 10/18/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: nobody has the time and inclination to actually _be_ the build czar (which is entirely understandable). Building something should be a command on the command-line. The whole issue is about currently having a person in place

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/18/2013 1:29 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: But I hope you understand this isn't really about you or Walter not doing these things yourself, but rather the fact that you didn't seem to recognize this as being a problem. I've mentioned the build/release issue many times, and now we finally have

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-18 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Friday, October 18, 2013 15:31:05 Walter Bright wrote: We do need a Build Czar, because the install builds break every time, due to things like failure to update the manifests, new build targets, new features, etc. Somebody has to be responsible for getting all the scripts tested and

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-17 Thread Rory McGuire
On 17 Oct 2013 00:40, bearophile bearophileh...@lycos.com wrote: Walter Bright: I'll go have myself flogged, then. But please be gentle and use something soft, like a fake snow leopard tail: Surely having to deal with c++ whenever Walter works on dmd is punishment enough :D.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-17 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-10-16 23:16, Jonathan M Davis wrote: Yes, but after Andej did the great changelog for 2.063, Walter publicly admitted that he had been wrong about the changelog. Andrej showed Walter that it _is_ worth doing something more than just a list of bugzilla issues. So, I would assume that

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-17 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 10/16/13, Brad Roberts bra...@puremagic.com wrote: That's not a what, that's a who. - We do not have any vision or major plans ahead for the language. Currently we're stuck in a bug-driven development environment, where bugs are arbitrarily picked off of bugzilla and fixed. But there's no

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-17 Thread deadalnix
On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 17:41:37 UTC, deadalnix wrote: Hum I have several regression is SDC's test suite. I have to investigate more to fix the code or submit bug report. It looks related to AA. What are the changes that affect AA in this new release ? It turns out that is is a

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Andrej Mitrovic
On 10/16/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: What are you protesting against? Walter.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread deadalnix
On Saturday, 12 October 2013 at 22:16:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd2beta.zip Current list of regressions: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedbug_severity=regressionbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENED This isn't a

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Anthony Goins
On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 13:34:04 UTC, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/16/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: What are you protesting against? Walter. The last change log was awesome. I vote to get rid of Walter. :)

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Brad Roberts
On 10/16/13 6:33 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/16/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: What are you protesting against? Walter. That's not a what, that's a who. Would you please elaborate on the what and why? I haven't seen any obstructionism coming from anyone

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:19:17 UTC, Brad Roberts wrote: That's not a what, that's a who. Would you please elaborate on the what and why? I haven't seen any obstructionism coming from anyone in terms of repeating the previous style for this releases notes. Originally Walter

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Jonathan M Davis
On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 22:28:41 Jacob Carlborg wrote: On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:19:17 UTC, Brad Roberts wrote: That's not a what, that's a who. Would you please elaborate on the what and why? I haven't seen any obstructionism coming from anyone in terms of repeating the

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread John Colvin
On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:28:42 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:19:17 UTC, Brad Roberts wrote: That's not a what, that's a who. Would you please elaborate on the what and why? I haven't seen any obstructionism coming from anyone in terms of

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 10/16/13 2:16 PM, Jonathan M Davis wrote: On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 22:28:41 Jacob Carlborg wrote: On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:19:17 UTC, Brad Roberts wrote: That's not a what, that's a who. Would you please elaborate on the what and why? I haven't seen any obstructionism

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Tourist
On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:28:42 UTC, Jacob Carlborg wrote: On Wednesday, 16 October 2013 at 20:19:17 UTC, Brad Roberts wrote: That's not a what, that's a who. Would you please elaborate on the what and why? I haven't seen any obstructionism coming from anyone in terms of

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/16/2013 6:33 AM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/16/13, Andrei Alexandrescu seewebsiteforem...@erdani.org wrote: What are you protesting against? Walter. I'll go have myself flogged, then.

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-16 Thread bearophile
Walter Bright: I'll go have myself flogged, then. But please be gentle and use something soft, like a fake snow leopard tail: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/musta.surma/Hpim4850.jpg Bye, bearophile

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread deadalnix
On Saturday, 12 October 2013 at 22:16:13 UTC, Walter Bright wrote: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd2beta.zip Current list of regressions: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/buglist.cgi?query_format=advancedbug_severity=regressionbug_status=NEWbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENED This isn't a

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-10-15 07:16, deadalnix wrote: This is for that very reason that I prefers to work with timestamps UTC as much as possible. No timzone hell, no format hell, no nothing. Just convert from user input directly, and convert back to text just before output. Agree. Always work with universal

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Nick Sabalausky
On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 23:13:25 +0200 monarch_dodra monarchdo...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, 14 October 2013 at 13:25:23 UTC, Benjamin Thaut wrote: I'm also getting random missing symbol linker errors with both dmd 2.063.2 and dmd 2.064. But only on 32-bit windows. On 64-bit windows it

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Jacob Carlborg
On 2013-10-13 00:16, Walter Bright wrote: http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd2beta.zip Current list of regressions: Another one: http://d.puremagic.com/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=11268 -- /Jacob Carlborg

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Benjamin Thaut
Am 14.10.2013 23:19, schrieb Walter Bright: On 10/14/2013 6:25 AM, Benjamin Thaut wrote: I'm also getting random missing symbol linker errors with both dmd 2.063.2 and dmd 2.064. But only on 32-bit windows. On 64-bit windows it works fine. This is really frustrating... Is it possible you are

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Walter Bright
On 10/15/2013 1:50 AM, Benjamin Thaut wrote: Am 14.10.2013 23:19, schrieb Walter Bright: On 10/14/2013 6:25 AM, Benjamin Thaut wrote: I'm also getting random missing symbol linker errors with both dmd 2.063.2 and dmd 2.064. But only on 32-bit windows. On 64-bit windows it works fine. This is

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Benjamin Thaut
Am 15.10.2013 11:25, schrieb Walter Bright: On 10/15/2013 1:50 AM, Benjamin Thaut wrote: Am 14.10.2013 23:19, schrieb Walter Bright: On 10/14/2013 6:25 AM, Benjamin Thaut wrote: I'm also getting random missing symbol linker errors with both dmd 2.063.2 and dmd 2.064. But only on 32-bit

Re: Start of dmd 2.064 beta program

2013-10-15 Thread Andrei Alexandrescu
On 10/15/13 7:15 PM, Andrej Mitrovic wrote: On 10/13/13, Tourist grava...@gravatar.com wrote: I'm wondering whether there will be the nifty changelog like it was for 2.063? Andrej? :D We'll see if someone else volunteers to do it. I'm not doing it out of protest. What are you protesting

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