Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Ian White GM3SEK

n4lq wrote:
It seems that without the compressor it is difficult to obtain full SSB 
output. I'm listening to a guy right now on 160m in QSO. He had is 
compression on and as can be expected, was picking up plenty of fan 
noise from his amplifier.  He was advised to turn off the 
compression. This he did and the fan noise went away but he complained 
about insufficient drive to his amp and his K3 was only putting out 38 
watts now.

I don't have a decent peak reading wattmeter
but I think weak RF output is a common complaint.


It's rather surprising that the K3 doesn't have the option of a 
peak-holding RF output display, like the S-meter has.


I just wonder if Elecraft expects everyone to run some degree of 
compression? Or are we interpreting the PWR meter on the K3 incorrectly?


Mainly the latter.

When the K3 says no compression, it's telling the truth. In contrast, 
most other rigs are using compression all the time - even when the 
speech processor is turned off - because there is peak limiting due to 
heavy ALC.


The K3 is one of the few rigs that does it right... and because no good 
deed goes unpunished, it then suffers complaints of weak audio! To 
equal the compression that's always taking place in most other rigs, you 
probably *do* need to turn the K3's compression up a little. No harm in 
that - unlike most other rigs, a moderate amount of compression will 
simply make you sound louder.


However, the complaint about fan noise is a valid one. As the 
compression is increased, the peak audio stays the same but the 
background noise comes up. Any transmitter with effective compression 
will also benefit from a noise gate or some other kind of nonlinear 
threshold, to reduce the noise background when there's no actual speech. 
This would be something like VOX, but with a different configurable 
threshold and hold/release dynamics.


To obtain full value from the K3's highly effective compressor, could a 
noise gate be added to 'Lyle's List', please?



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Re: [Elecraft] K2 PA and 232 problem

2008-05-29 Thread Bob G3PJT
Yes but as I don't know what caused this all in the first place ,  good 
engineering practice told me that as it is almost zero cost and effort 
to replace it whilst I had the PCB off the heatsink then that's what you 
do!


73 Bob G3PJT

David Cutter wrote:

Nice work, Bob.

I've seen 78 series regulators die with over voltage but never over 
current or temperature, they have excellent protection for those.


David
G3UNA





- replace the 78L05 as its not clear how much abuse it had suffered.

73 Bob G3PJT





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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Ian J Maude

Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote:
For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on 
of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), rotated 
the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the memory with 
the current VFO setting.
Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid 
to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also 
for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the 
VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc.
I *totally* agree Leigh!  My brain gets mixed up between the two and 
this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using the 
memories.  I had set up to use band switching this way and for channel 
hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them.  Please can we have a more 
robust way of protecting the memories?


73 Ian

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

I think people are saying it's to easy to tap the wrong button?
I for one have done this a couple of times.
I've also been in cONFIG and then held PF2 - wishing to use the  
function on it and of course overwritten the function with whichever  
CONFIG option I'm on at the time.


It's my fault of course, just finger hassle, but it happens - perhaps  
a confirmation press, like needing to press AFX to confirm?

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foot long enough to enable him to put the other somewhat higher.
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On 29 May 2008, at 09:52, Ken K3IU wrote:

I guess I don't understand and so far I only use the memories for  
bandswitching. Isn't tapping V-M *supposed* to write whatever  
is in the VFO to whatever memory is selected. What am I missing???

73,
Ken K3IU
~
Ian J Maude wrote:

Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote:
For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory  
(on of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have),  
rotated the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the  
memory with the current VFO setting.
Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention  
paid to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but  
probably also for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner  
has suggested the VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to  
overwrite, etc.
I *totally* agree Leigh!  My brain gets mixed up between the two  
and this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using  
the memories.  I had set up to use band switching this way and for  
channel hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them.  Please can we  
have a more robust way of protecting the memories?



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - HAGCMDKT mod kit

2008-05-29 Thread G4ILO


Bill W4ZV wrote:
 
 Sorry you had a bad experience and I hope this helps others!
 
Yep, it helped me to decide not to even *think* about doing it!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Stewart Baker
Although there are some young people coming into the hobby, a
large proportion (myself included) are of the more senior variety.

I find that it is far too easy when it comes to using the K3
memories to press the wrong button, and overwrite something one
wanted to keep. This action is normally followed by Blast or
some similar expletive !!

My tired brain cannot come up with how it might be made more
difficult for this to occur, but I'm sure someone else can..

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Thu, 29 May 2008 08:31:17 +0100, Ian J Maude wrote:
 Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote:
 For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a
memory (on
 of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have),
rotated
 the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the
memory with
 the current VFO setting.
 Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention
paid
 to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably
also
 for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has
suggested the
 VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc.
 I *totally* agree Leigh!  My brain gets mixed up between the two
and
 this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using
the
 memories.  I had set up to use band switching this way and for
channel
 hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them.  Please can we have
a more
 robust way of protecting the memories?

 73 Ian


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[Elecraft] K3 Noise Gate

2008-05-29 Thread dj7mgq

Hallo Ian,


To obtain full value from the K3's highly effective compressor, could a
noise gate be added to 'Lyle's List', please?


As one of the first to raise the SSB compression / punchiness /  
power level issue, I was in fairly close contact with Lyle, Wayne   
co. about this for a while. At the time, I did suggest a noise gate,  
and believe that it is on the To-Do-List. However I am sure that they  
have more important things to deal with right now, i.e. secondary  
receiver, DVK etc.


vy 73 de toby
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[Elecraft] K3 - More on memories - I think...

2008-05-29 Thread Stewart Baker
Has anyone come across software for the K3 that allows the
programming and storage of the memories ?

It would be very useful, instead of using the K3 front panel
buttons, to be able to set up all the parameters including the
memory labels, and then upload to the K3.

I have programs for Icom and Yaesu handhelds which do just that.
It sure makes using the rig's memories much easier.

All I have found so far are programs for the K3 that store in
their own memory.

73
Stewart G3RXQ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Ken K3IU
I guess I don't understand and so far I only use the memories for 
bandswitching. Isn't tapping V-M *supposed* to write whatever is in 
the VFO to whatever memory is selected. What am I missing???

73,
Ken K3IU
~
Ian J Maude wrote:

Leigh L. Klotz, Jr. wrote:
For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on 
of the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), 
rotated the VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the 
memory with the current VFO setting.
Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid 
to the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also 
for general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the 
VFO B knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc.
I *totally* agree Leigh!  My brain gets mixed up between the two and 
this started to frustrate me so much that I have stopped using the 
memories.  I had set up to use band switching this way and for channel 
hopping on 60m but I kept overwriting them.  Please can we have a more 
robust way of protecting the memories?


73 Ian


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor?

2008-05-29 Thread Charles Harpole

How about just using a good mic that is dead to its back and thus 

leaves out virtually all fan noise?


Charles Harpole
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  






 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:10:32 +0100
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

 n4lq wrote:
It seems that without the compressor it is difficult to obtain full SSB
output. I'm listening to a guy right now on 160m in QSO. He had is
compression on and as can be expected, was picking up plenty of fan
noise from his amplifier. He was advised to turn off the
compression. This he did and the fan noise went away but he complained
about insufficient drive to his amp and his K3 was only putting out 38
watts now.
I don't have a decent peak reading wattmeter
but I think weak RF output is a common complaint.

 It's rather surprising that the K3 doesn't have the option of a
 peak-holding RF output display, like the S-meter has.

I just wonder if Elecraft expects everyone to run some degree of
compression? Or are we interpreting the PWR meter on the K3 incorrectly?

 Mainly the latter.

 When the K3 says no compression, it's telling the truth. In contrast,
 most other rigs are using compression all the time - even when the
 speech processor is turned off - because there is peak limiting due to
 heavy ALC.

 The K3 is one of the few rigs that does it right... and because no good
 deed goes unpunished, it then suffers complaints of weak audio! To
 equal the compression that's always taking place in most other rigs, you
 probably *do* need to turn the K3's compression up a little. No harm in
 that - unlike most other rigs, a moderate amount of compression will
 simply make you sound louder.

 However, the complaint about fan noise is a valid one. As the
 compression is increased, the peak audio stays the same but the
 background noise comes up. Any transmitter with effective compression
 will also benefit from a noise gate or some other kind of nonlinear
 threshold, to reduce the noise background when there's no actual speech.
 This would be something like VOX, but with a different configurable
 threshold and hold/release dynamics.

 To obtain full value from the K3's highly effective compressor, could a
 noise gate be added to 'Lyle's List', please?


 --

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 http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - More on memories - I think...

2008-05-29 Thread Stewart Baker
That would be great Simon. I did think about doing it myself in
VB, however I couldn't find the necessary CAT commands (you've
answered that one).

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:16:51 +0200, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:
 As soon as Wayne publishes the CAT commands I'll add this
support to Ham
 Radio Deluxe.

 Wayne's to-do list must be far larger than my own and he's a tad
swamped I
 think.

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 Has anyone come across software for the K3 that allows the
 programming and storage of the memories ?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter selection

2008-05-29 Thread David Woolley (E.L)

Bill W4ZV wrote:



400 and 250:  A waste of money IMHO.  Since the 400 is actually 435 and the
250 is actually 370, there is only 65 Hz difference in this combination and
you'll probably never notice the difference between them (370/435 = only 15%
narrower).  Total cost $250.


I think you are generalising from a single sample.

It may well be the case that to  guarantee a bandwidth of at least 250 
Hz, without doing expensive select on test procedures for the 
capacitors, one will have some samples at 370 Hz.


What you may be getting is 250Hz with a given shape factor, but 
individual units may achieve that shape factor by going flat to a higher 
frequency and then cutting off much more sharply.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - More on memories - I think...

2008-05-29 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
As soon as Wayne publishes the CAT commands I'll add this support to Ham 
Radio Deluxe.


Wayne's to-do list must be far larger than my own and he's a tad swamped I 
think.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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Has anyone come across software for the K3 that allows the
programming and storage of the memories ?



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor?

2008-05-29 Thread Ian White GM3SEK

Charles Harpole wrote:


How about just using a good mic that is dead to its back and thus
leaves out virtually all fan noise?



That only means you don't have a big enough amplifier yet :-)

The main thing that reduces fan noise on the outgoing signal is 
close-talking and turning the mic gain down; but directional microphones 
then suffer from proximity effects, giving too much emphasis on the bass 
(cue Jim Brown).


And anyway, the fan noise doesn't usually come from behind the 
microphone. In most shack layouts the amplifier is off to one side, and 
the noise bounces off the walls and ceiling, and arrives at the mic from 
all directions.



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - More on memories - I think...

2008-05-29 Thread G4ILO

A memory load/dump utility would be a nice addition to the Firmware Utility.
Band access schemes devised by different people could be uploaded to try
out, instead of laboriously entered by hand, and if you accidentally
overwrite a memory you could just restore from a backup.

If the utility would allow memories to be edited on the PC as well, that
would certainly be a bonus!

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - More on memories - I think...

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
For those on Mac, Don Agro (MacLoggerDx) said he would look at adding  
support in MacMemories Manager - waiting for commands list I think.

73 de M0XDF, K3 #174
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politician, author (1932- )

On 29 May 2008, at 10:50, Stewart Baker wrote:


That would be great Simon. I did think about doing it myself in
VB, however I couldn't find the necessary CAT commands (you've
answered that one).

73
Stewart G3RXQ
On Thu, 29 May 2008 11:16:51 +0200, Simon Brown (HB9DRV) wrote:

As soon as Wayne publishes the CAT commands I'll add this

support to Ham

Radio Deluxe.

Wayne's to-do list must be far larger than my own and he's a tad

swamped I

think.


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Re: Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread d.cutter
Thinking about the old tape recorders: it was made harder to over-record an 
existing recording by having to press 2 buttons at once.  Is this possible?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
might be worthwhile keeping some memories that don't require that - I  
keep 00 to 09 for storing some frequency i want to come back to  
shortly - I'm not using M1-M4 for that since I store various frequency  
in them for the band - like start of band, start of SSB, end of SSB etc


more suggestions?
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On 29 May 2008, at 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thinking about the old tape recorders: it was made harder to over- 
record an existing recording by having to press 2 buttons at once.   
Is this possible?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bandswitching-My experiences to Date

2008-05-29 Thread S Sacco
When I want to QSY to 6 meters, I expect to punch a button that says
6M or 50.   If a friend comes over to operate my K3, I don't want
to have to point to a yellow sticky note hanging from a shelf, and
then spend 10 minutes briefing them on the intricacies of using the
user-programmed memories.

This issue isn't about finding other clever ways to institute a common
and expected function; it's about justifying Elecraft's choice to
package the radio in a specific footprint.  For its size, the
ergonomics are excellent, but it's about 2 too narrow.  With that
extra 2, they could have fit a keypad.

IMHO.

73,
Steve NN4X


On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 9:04 PM, David and Dianne on Comcast
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Everyone,

 In hanging around the K3 booth in Dayton this year (some would say I was
 'lurking' around the booth) I overheard several K3 prospective owners
 pressing Wayne on the absence of dedicated bandswitches and bandstacking
 registers.

 Having been a user of Icom and Ten Tec gear for many years, I too admit that
 this was one of my reservations when first considering my K3 purchase over a
 year ago.

 Now after almost four months of K3 use, I wanted to past a comment directed
 at those considering a K3 who believe that this issue may be a deal breaker.

 IMO it is not.

 It takes a bit of time and study to adapt to this approach of Elecraft's UI,
 but the K3 has some remarkable and flexible alternatives.

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[Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread dalej

Any chance to add a 10 minute countdown timer to the K3?

Dale, K9VUJ
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[Elecraft] K3: Using built in PSK?

2008-05-29 Thread Dave
Hi-
 On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:58 PM, I sent this message to the reflector and 
haven't seen any comments... maybe I am too anxious, but I am also anxious to 
cure this problem- so again, I say:
  
Hi- 
 OK, the K3 works fine using computer generated PSK 31 AFSK, but when I go to 
the internally generated PSK 31 D, 31 bps, I do not get responses to my calling 
CQ or calling stations. The TX and RX filter width is set to 2.7 KHz. I can 
copy 
perfectly on the radios VFO B copy line and do get a kick out of the auto spot 
feature. I can hear the transmitted signal on my other rig (ORION II), but it 
doesn't have the fullness of the AFSK sent PSK. Any ideas? 

 On a related note, one poster mentioned the use of the built in ability of the 
K3 to notify other net users of external computer problems, maybe so. However 
when monitoring my AFSK PSK31 signal from the K3 on my OII,  I don't see the 
AFSK PSK31 signal on the same waterfall of the MixW software. That leads me to 
believe that you can not switch from computer driven AFSK PSK31 to built in PSK 
D PSK31 because they are on different frequencies. Tell me I am wrong and tell 
me how ot make it right.
 Thanks for the bandwidth.

 73 de Dave in NH  K1OPQ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Joe Planisky
How about a single level 'undo' or 'Recycle Bin' that saves the last  
modified memory contents.  That way, if you realize you've overwritten  
a memory by mistake, you can 'undo' to get the original contents back.


73
--
Joe KB8AP

On May 29, 2008, at 5:17 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

might be worthwhile keeping some memories that don't require that -  
I keep 00 to 09 for storing some frequency i want to come back to  
shortly - I'm not using M1-M4 for that since I store various  
frequency in them for the band - like start of band, start of SSB,  
end of SSB etc


more suggestions?
--
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
-Arthur C Clarke, science fiction writer (1917-2008)

On 29 May 2008, at 12:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Thinking about the old tape recorders: it was made harder to over- 
record an existing recording by having to press 2 buttons at once.   
Is this possible?


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[Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL
My oh my.  What is so hard about changing bands on the K3?

You can use the band up/down button (which means you are no more than
5 pushes away from any band, probably less).  Is it really important
to change bands in less than 2 or 3 seconds?

You can use direct keypad entry.  Also under 5 seconds.

You can use the memories in any of the various setups posted here.
Any of them take just a couple seconds...some only 1 second.

You can control the band from you computer (instant change).

Even being a contester where time counts, I just can't see what is so
urgent about a band switch keypad ala the other rigs.  Is this
really such a big deal?

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter selection

2008-05-29 Thread David Yarnes

David and All,

Not necessarily!  I think Bill is pretty much on point since that is the 
posted spec for the 250 hz filter (not just some random test).  I am led to 
believe these filters do not vary widely in manufacturing.  So it would 
appear that a 400 hz/250 hz combinations is not a particularly good 
combination.  The 200 hz may well be a better choice if you want to go that 
narrow.  I have the 400 hz/200 hz combination, but I find I don't use the 
200 hz filter nearly as much as I thought I would.  I think that is 
primarily due to the fact I just don't seem to need to go that narrow, which 
speaks well for the K3 generally.  I have used narrow filters a lot in other 
radios, but those were audio filters, not roofing filters.  The DSP in the 
K3 seems to provide just about any additional filtering I need while using 
the 400 hz filter.  Digital ops may actually find the 200 hz filter more 
useful.  But I haven't really given my K3 a good baptism under contest fire. 
I missed the CQ WPX contest last week, and that would have been a great test 
for the narrow filter I think.


I can also tell you from my experience that you need to set the 200 hz 
filter (and presumably the 250 hz filter) up with more gain added than they 
recommend in the manual.  There seems to be a very noticeable reduction in 
signal level when the 200 hz filter is engaged.  I believe this is on the 
to do list that Wayne has--to improve this signal level issue.


I think Bill has analyzed the filter combination issue more than just about 
anyone.  You may want to go back through the archives and read some of his 
prior posts to get some good insight about selecting various filter 
combinations.  He may not be the last word on the subject, but I think it 
will give you added perspective.


Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
From: David Woolley (E.L) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter selection



Bill W4ZV wrote:



400 and 250:  A waste of money IMHO.  Since the 400 is actually 435 and 
the
250 is actually 370, there is only 65 Hz difference in this combination 
and
you'll probably never notice the difference between them (370/435 = only 
15%

narrower).  Total cost $250.


I think you are generalising from a single sample.

It may well be the case that to  guarantee a bandwidth of at least 250 Hz, 
without doing expensive select on test procedures for the capacitors, one 
will have some samples at 370 Hz.


What you may be getting is 250Hz with a given shape factor, but individual 
units may achieve that shape factor by going flat to a higher frequency 
and then cutting off much more sharply.


--
David Woolley
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Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread dalej
Actually a ten minute countdown timer for we rag chewers would be kind  
of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for ID  
every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a built in CW  
IDer that ID's every ten minutes.


Just an idle thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time on  
their hands, hi.


Dale, K9VUJ


On 29, May 2008, at 7:46, Alexandr Kobranov wrote:


Do you need a SLEEP function?
:-)
73!
Lexa, ok1dst
K3/10 #727


dalej napsal(a):

Any chance to add a 10 minute countdown timer to the K3?
Dale, K9VUJ
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Using built in PSK?

2008-05-29 Thread Greg - AB7R
Dave,

Are  you in Data-A mode when using audio based PSK31?  If so, adjust your 
filter FC
to 1.0.  The BW can be what you want it to be, I normally start mine off at 1.0 
kHz.

If you transmit your signal right at 1.0 kHz on the waterfall in Data-A it 
should 
be the same as when using PSK-D.  PSK-D uses a default of 1.0 kHz.  But it 
creates 
its own audio tones instead of using an external soundcard.  

If when you are using Data-A you are somewhere other than 1.0 kHz for your 
audio, 
then no, the PSK-D signal will not be at the same place, it will always be at 
1.0 
kHz.  Also, when using PSK-D you do not need to adjust the filter FC, it will 
already be at 1.0 by default.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu May 29  5:44 , Dave  sent:

Hi-
 On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:58 PM, I sent this message to the reflector and 
haven't seen any comments... maybe I am too anxious, but I am also anxious to 
cure 
this problem- so again, I say:
  
Hi- 
 OK, the K3 works fine using computer generated PSK 31 AFSK, but when I go to 
the internally generated PSK 31 D, 31 bps, I do not get responses to my 
calling 
CQ or calling stations. The TX and RX filter width is set to 2.7 KHz. I can 
copy 
perfectly on the radios VFO B copy line and do get a kick out of the auto spot 
feature. I can hear the transmitted signal on my other rig (ORION II), but it 
doesn't have the fullness of the AFSK sent PSK. Any ideas? 

 On a related note, one poster mentioned the use of the built in ability of 
 the K3 
to notify other net users of external computer problems, maybe so. However when 
monitoring my AFSK PSK31 signal from the K3 on my OII,  I don't see the AFSK 
PSK31 
signal on the same waterfall of the MixW software. That leads me to believe 
that 
you can not switch from computer driven AFSK PSK31 to built in PSK D PSK31 
because 
they are on different frequencies. Tell me I am wrong and tell me how ot make 
it 
right.
 Thanks for the bandwidth.

 73 de Dave in NH  K1OPQ 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread Greg - AB7R
I would also like to add that when using the LP-PAN with PowerSDR you will have 
dedicated band 
buttons there as well.


-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu May 29  5:57 , DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL  sent:

My oh my.  What is so hard about changing bands on the K3?

You can use the band up/down button (which means you are no more than
5 pushes away from any band, probably less).  Is it really important
to change bands in less than 2 or 3 seconds?

You can use direct keypad entry.  Also under 5 seconds.

You can use the memories in any of the various setups posted here.
Any of them take just a couple seconds...some only 1 second.

You can control the band from you computer (instant change).

Even being a contester where time counts, I just can't see what is so
urgent about a band switch keypad ala the other rigs.  Is this
really such a big deal?

de Doug KR2Q
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Lyle Johnson

Hello Ian!

... Any transmitter with effective compression 
will also benefit from a noise gate or some other kind of nonlinear 
threshold, to reduce the noise background when there's no actual speech. 
This would be something like VOX, but with a different configurable 
threshold and hold/release dynamics.


To obtain full value from the K3's highly effective compressor, could a 
noise gate be added to 'Lyle's List', please?


Instead of a Noise Gate with two or three variables, I've implemented an 
*experimental* Downward Expander with a single variable (threshold).  It 
certainly kills the background noise here!


We're listening...

Lyle KK7P

PS - Not sure when it'll be in the release code.  Higher priority items 
in the queue at the moment.


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[Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability

2008-05-29 Thread Joe Word
Any update on when the ESSB function will be turned on in the
firmware? I am using the 2.7 filter with various dynamic microphones
and getting good audio reports, but not as good as I get from my Icom
756 PRO III. Would like to try a little wider bandwidth (about 3.0)
and see if I can match the PRO. Will need the 6.0 filter of course.

The various dynamic mics I am using have gotten excellent audio
reports using rigs like the Yaesu Mark IV, Kenwood TS-870 and etc.

I have had three different people view my transmit bandwidth on their
spectrum scopes and confirmed that my 2.7 filter is in fact
transmitting at 2.7 bandwidth (not 2.9 as previous thought).


Joe  N9VX
K3  #841
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[Elecraft] K3 - HAGCMDKT mod kit

2008-05-29 Thread Julius Fazekas
Dave,

There are a number of online resources to help ease
the pain of SMT soldering/desoldering.

If you have access to older QRP magazines, there were
many tips in them. AMQRP.ORG has useful info online.

This document covers a lot of ground and may be
helpful:
http://www.avrfreaks.net/modules/FreaksArticles/files/15/Low%20Cost%20SMD%20Soldering%20Guide.pdf

My experience with SM parts is that you need patience,
a fine tip on your iron and good timing :o) Heating
too long is a definite killer.

If one is new to these, I would suggest a practice run
on some dead/obsolete computer board. You can goof up
and learn for free.

Cheers,
Julius

Julius Fazekas
N2WN

Tennessee Contest Group
TnQP http://www.tnqp.org/

Elecraft K2/100 #3311
Elecraft K2/100 #4455
Elecraft K3/100 #366
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[Elecraft] K3: A funny thing happened

2008-05-29 Thread Stephen Prior
A strange subject, but this one has me baffled.  I use the K3 with an Icom
AH-4 tuner (tuning manually initiated) on the roof above me and below the
centre of a long doublet.  I've used this configuration with several radios
over the last 5 years or so and it's never given me grief.

I was on 30m cw, swr about 1.1 when suddenly I noticed my output drop from
100W to about 40W and the swr had risen to 4 or so.  I hit the little button
on my homebrew unit and the AH-4 retuned, but still with a high swr.  The
odd thing was that it was clear that as a result of this that the other
station could no longer hear me.  We were about 589 both ways so a 3 or 4dB
drop in power would not cause that.   I am wondering if I was transmitting
somewhere else, and not on 30m.  I changed to other bands and they all tuned
fine.  Went back to 30m, still the same apparent high swr.  Then as suddenly
as the problem had arrived it departed. As I was sending a chain of dots in
frustration, the swr dropped right back down to just above 1.0 _without_ me
having to initiate the tune- and that's what I don't follow!

Hope that makes more sense to someone than it does to me.

I'm really enjoying the K3 and even my wife prefers it to the K2 or TS-480,
as she derives pleasure from spinnning the vfo whilst on the telephone at my
desk!  She still thinks the IC-7400 was prettier though!

73 Stephen  G4SJP
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[Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability

2008-05-29 Thread Bill Tippett
	Every time I see the term ESSB I see red.  I wonder if these folks 
have ever read FCC Part 97.307 (a) Emission Standards:


(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
necessary for the information rate and emission type being 
transmitted, in accordance with good amateur practice.


http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/

Instead of playing wannabe broadcast engineer, why don't these folks 
try something really creative, like trying to see how *little* 
bandwidth they can use to communicate, instead of how much bandwidth 
they can consume?


	Icom has a lot of faults (like very misleading advertising) but I do 
commend them for limiting the bandwidth of their voice modes.

End of rant.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Using built in PSK?

2008-05-29 Thread Bob Cunnings
Hmm, I responded with this message:

http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-K3%3A-Using-built-in-PSK--p17503377.html

Since you remarked that when you monitored your transmitted signal it
didn't have fullness I thought that you might be sending only an
idle signal, which would be the case if you were trying to key the rig
with an ordinary key, rather than paddles.

Bob NW8L

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi-
  On Tuesday, May 27, 2008 8:58 PM, I sent this message to the reflector and 
 haven't seen any comments... maybe I am too anxious, but I am also anxious to 
 cure this problem- so again, I say:

 Hi-
  OK, the K3 works fine using computer generated PSK 31 AFSK, but when I go to
 the internally generated PSK 31 D, 31 bps, I do not get responses to my 
 calling
 CQ or calling stations. The TX and RX filter width is set to 2.7 KHz. I can 
 copy
 perfectly on the radios VFO B copy line and do get a kick out of the auto spot
 feature. I can hear the transmitted signal on my other rig (ORION II), but it 
 doesn't have the fullness of the AFSK sent PSK. Any ideas?

  On a related note, one poster mentioned the use of the built in ability of 
 the K3 to notify other net users of external computer problems, maybe so. 
 However when monitoring my AFSK PSK31 signal from the K3 on my OII,  I don't 
 see the AFSK PSK31 signal on the same waterfall of the MixW software. That 
 leads me to believe that you can not switch from computer driven AFSK PSK31 
 to built in PSK D PSK31 because they are on different frequencies. Tell me I 
 am wrong and tell me how ot make it right.
  Thanks for the bandwidth.

  73 de Dave in NH  K1OPQ

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[Elecraft] Elecraft Carry Case

2008-05-29 Thread T Gahagan
I just received my K3 carrying case from Rose ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). 
The case is very well made and the embroidery of my call sign is perfect. 
It's light weight but well padded and really protects the K3 from bumps and 
scratches.  I'm amazed how perfect the sewing and the general fit are.


I have no interest in this business but wanted other K3 owners to know about 
the great quality of this product.


Todd, WA7U
K2/100 #726
K3/100 #726 


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Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF
UK regs are every 15 mins or at other times and most of us always give  
our call at an over

--
Natural ability without education has more often attained to glory and  
virtue than education without natural ability. -Cicero, statesman,  
orator, writer (106-43 BC)


On 29 May 2008, at 14:19, dalej wrote:

Actually a ten minute countdown timer for we rag chewers would be  
kind of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for  
ID every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a built in  
CW IDer that ID's every ten minutes.


Just an idle thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time  
on their hands, hi.


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

that is a very good idea
--  
There is a coherent plan in the universe,

though I don't know what it is a plan for.
- Fred Hoyle

On 29 May 2008, at 13:51, Joe Planisky wrote:

How about a single level 'undo' or 'Recycle Bin' that saves the last  
modified memory contents.  That way, if you realize you've  
overwritten a memory by mistake, you can 'undo' to get the original  
contents back.


73
--
Joe KB8AP

On May 29, 2008, at 5:17 AM, David Ferrington, M0XDF wrote:

might be worthwhile keeping some memories that don't require that -  
I keep 00 to 09 for storing some frequency i want to come back to  
shortly - I'm not using M1-M4 for that since I store various  
frequency in them for the band - like start of band, start of SSB,  
end of SSB etc


more suggestions?


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bandswitching-My experiences to Date

2008-05-29 Thread David Yarnes

Steve and All,

A point well taken Steve.  But setting up the the memories this way (if 
really deemed necessary!) is an owner convenience really.  And if you don't 
use it yourself enough to do it without a sticky note, then it probably 
wasn't that convenient in the first place.  If I had set it up this way, and 
a friend wanted to use the radio, I'd just tell him to use the regular 
bandswitch buttons.  A visitor will have enough trouble operating any 
strange rig, so you don't want to add to the problem with operating tricks 
the radio allows you to implement--at least not initially.


I'm a little mystified by the passion some folks seem to have about 
accelerating the band switching process.  Do you really switch bands that 
much?  I suppose some do.  And my judgement may be tainted a bit right now 
by the lack of activity on a bunch of the bands higher up.  For me, I'm 
usually just going between 3, or maybe 4 bands, which are all contiguous on 
the band rotation.  Pushing the up/down bandswitch works pretty well for 
that.  I'm just grateful they put both an up and down switch on the K3 
instead of making you rotate all the way through like you have to do on rigs 
like the Argonaut V.  When I had one of those radios, I found it very 
frustrating to have to go all the way around to get from 30 meters back to 
40 meters.  I sort of solved that by putting one VFO on one band, and the 
other VFO on the other.  Then I could just use the A/B button.


Nonetheless, I suspect that you are more or less correct that a couple more 
inches or so on the front panel would have accomodated a bandswitching 
keypad.  It might have accomodated 2 or 3 more knobs as well for other 
things.  But it would have added considerably to the volume of the radio. 
For some this would have been a good thing, and for others it would have 
been a waste.  I suspect all of us have at least 1 or 2 changes we would 
like to see in the K3.  Problem is, our wish lists probably don't always 
match up very consistently.  The process of deciding how to design a radio 
like this seems very complex to me.  Just think about how many questions 
need to be considered regarding each control and feature.  It really 
suggests some powerful product/market research is needed, and to be honest, 
I don't think Elecraft is big enough to provide/engage/conduct this type of 
study.  So, we end up with someone's (Wayne's mostly I suppose) best guess. 
And it sure won't be perfect.  Wayne did a pretty good job I think, but it 
ain't perfect!  But thank goodness he's an operator, in addition to being 
the designer, so he didn't saddle us with a multitude of compromises like 
Yaesu does perhaps?  Then there are radios like Ten-Tec Orions, and Icom 
7700/7800's, that put everything under the sun on front panel.  But look at 
the size of those radios!  You almost have to renovate your operating desk 
to accomodate them.  And when you look inside of one of them one of the 
first things you notice is a ton of wasted space.  But, if you aren't going 
to be moving the radio around much, that's very possibly quite acceptable.


The K3 is a compact (but not too compact?), but reasonably full featured, 
radio.  A lot of things were left out though, and many of them will perhaps 
be incorporated in the K4!  The K3 was a substantial improvement on the 
K2, and the K4 will be a substantial improvement on the K3.  If the next set 
of changes aren't all that substantial, they might just call it the K3A  I 
don't even know if a K4 is on the drawing board, but I bet pieces of it at 
least are already in Wayne's head.  A keypad band entry may very will be 
high on the list.  I'd almost bet a bandscope is high on the list.  QRO 
folks will be glad to learn that, out of the box, it will have provision for 
negative ALC!  I'm being a bit facetious, but I would probably like having 
these features myself--some just in case, but appreciated nonetheless.  We 
are all still looking for the perfect radio.  If and when you think you 
have found it, you can bet that a bunch of others will be loudly lamenting 
that it doesn't have this or that.  My advice to folks who are excessively 
frustrated by omissions on the K3 is to start dropping your loose change in 
a cookie jar to save up for the K4.  A friend of mine recently told me he 
saved up nearly $1200 by just dropping the quarters in a jar he got in 
change, mostly from stopping after work for a beer!  This made me realize a 
couple of things:


1.  You can really save a bunch of money by doing this with loose change;
2.  My friend probably drinks too much!

Nevertheless, I think you have plenty of time.

Dave W7AQK

- Original Message - 
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Bandswitching-My experiences to Date



When I want to QSY to 6 meters, I expect to punch a button that says
6M or 50.   If a friend comes over to operate my K3, 

[Elecraft] K3 VFO A+B

2008-05-29 Thread Peter Howson
Whilst playing with, sorry exploring, my K3 this morning I have set something
that causes VFO B to track VFO A. Simply put as I tune VFO A both A  B
frequencies change together. This only occurs on 40m, the band I was listening
to at the time. All other bands are normal. 

Unfortunately I cannot remember what I did I have been searching the manual,
fruitlessly since lunch time.

73
Peter
GM8GAX


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A+B

2008-05-29 Thread Lyle Johnson

Whilst playing with, sorry exploring, my K3 this morning I have set something
that causes VFO B to track VFO A. Simply put as I tune VFO A both A  B
frequencies change together. This only occurs on 40m, the band I was listening
to at the time. All other bands are normal. 


Unfortunately I cannot remember what I did I have been searching the manual,
fruitlessly since lunch time.


HOLD SUB and UNLINK will appear in the display.

73,

Lyle KK7P

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RE: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A+B

2008-05-29 Thread Dick Dievendorff
You probably have linked the VFOs on 40 meters.  This was described in the
firmware release notes for MCU 1.73:

VFO LINKING: Holding the SUB switch links/unlinks the two VFOs. When
linked,
VFO A is the master; turning it moves both VFOs the same amount. VFO B
can be 
set to the same frequency by tapping AB, or it can be offset a fixed
amount from VFO A.
Setting them to the same frequency will permit diversity receive with
the subreceiver.


Dick, K6KR


-Original Message-
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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:59 AM
To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 VFO A+B

Whilst playing with, sorry exploring, my K3 this morning I have set
something
that causes VFO B to track VFO A. Simply put as I tune VFO A both A  B
frequencies change together. This only occurs on 40m, the band I was
listening
to at the time. All other bands are normal. 

Unfortunately I cannot remember what I did I have been searching the
manual,
fruitlessly since lunch time.

73
Peter
GM8GAX


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability

2008-05-29 Thread Paul Christensen
Every time I see the term ESSB I see red.  I wonder if these folks have 
ever read FCC Part 97.307 (a) Emission Standards:


(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
necessary for the information rate and emission type being transmitted, in 
accordance with good amateur practice.


Bill,

The problem with Section 97.307(a) lies in its drafting and purpose.  The 
plain-language meaning of this section infers that as long as the 
transmission occupies no more bandwidth than that necessary for the emission 
type we are trying to achieve, then we are complaint with the rule, subject 
to good amateur practice.


For example, suppose my intent is to use ITU designator 3K00J3E (i.e., 3 kHz 
SSB bandwidth).  My intent is to use 3 kHz of occupied bandwidth and 
clearly, the ITU designator sets the emission type as stated in the 
aforementioned rule.  Taking this one step further, if my desired occupied 
bandwidth is 3 kHz under the ITU 3K00J3E designator, then as long as I 
remain within that boundary I have set for the emission type being 
transmitted, I am fully-complaint with the rule (see my bandwidth boundary 
caveat at the end).


In fact, suppose I wish to transmit with 6 kHz of SSB bandwidth and my 
desired emission type is 6K00J3E under the ITU designator.  Pursuant to the 
rules, that transmission can be fully-complaint as well.  However, this also 
presumes that any such transmission -- no matter what the actual 
bandwidth -- does not cause interference to existing transmissions.  Whether 
the actual transmitted bandwidth is 1.8 kHz of 6 kHz, there's always a 
propensity to cause some interference to existing transmissions.


Moreover, terms like good amateur practice and information rate should 
never be codified into rules  regulations unless these terms are 
incorporated by reference into definitions in the preamble of the rules. 
Only, the original framers of Sec. 97.307(a) likely wanted to keep this 
section open for experimentation purposes without the necessity of placing 
hard bandwidth restrictions on emissions that could otherwise thwart the 
benefits of experimenting with various modes that exist today -- and those 
modes that may become developed at some point in the future.  Enforcement of 
97.307(a) would never, and could never, stand up to Constitutional scrutiny 
on the basis of the rule's arbitrary, capricious, and vague drafting.


Another problem that surfaces when we establish hard occupied bandwidth 
rules is the necessity to monitor the bandwidth of emissions (to ensure 100% 
compliance) and the lack of a reasonable means for the average licensee to 
measure such.  Also, codified bandwidth regulations would require setting 
measurement limits at the spectrum edges.  For example, at what point is a 
3K00J3E no longer compliant?  Perhaps at -26 dB Peak Power?  - 50 dB Peak 
Power?   It gets real messy, real fast.


Paul, W9AC



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability

2008-05-29 Thread n4lq
Oh here we go againStop trolling for flames guys. Now we will start this 
same old argument again. If one is so concerned about how much bandwidth 
they use then switch to QRP CW and forget about SSB.

Steve Ellington
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Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability



Every time I see the term ESSB I see red.  I wonder if these folks
have ever read FCC Part 97.307 (a) Emission Standards:

(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than
necessary for the information rate and emission type being
transmitted, in accordance with good amateur practice.

http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/

Instead of playing wannabe broadcast engineer, why don't these folks
try something really creative, like trying to see how *little*
bandwidth they can use to communicate, instead of how much bandwidth
they can consume?

Icom has a lot of faults (like very misleading advertising) but I do
commend them for limiting the bandwidth of their voice modes.
End of rant.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Bandswitching-My experiences to Date

2008-05-29 Thread Craig D. Smith
 I'm a little mystified by the passion some folks seem to have about
 accelerating the band switching process.  Do you really switch bands that
 much?  I suppose some do.

The issue (at least for me) isn't speed.  The issue is reliability and user
friendliness.  

The reason why so many of us are concocting band-switching mechanisms using
the various memory options is that the supplied band switch buttons, at
least with the present firmware, can become corrupted with other frequencies
when listening outside the ham bands.  I find this unsettling.  In my
opinion there are at least two controls on a ham rig that should be totally
intuitive, robust and definitive in their operation - the on/off switch and
the band switch.  The band switch, in its present form, does not meet these
criteria.

For the K4 I would recommend a dedicated switch with detents, tactile/audio
feedback, a DEDICATED keypad or some other method of accomplishing this.
For the K3, I am hopeful that a future firmware release will make the
current band switch operate as expected as well as provide for a convenient
method for shortwave listening and general browsing.

  ... Craig   AC0DS
  


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RE: [Elecraft] K3 Filter selection

2008-05-29 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV

 I think you are generalising from a single sample.

No, that is INRAD's own specification and is found in the filter 
curves on both their web site and in the 8 pole curves on the 
Elecraft site.  The same was true with the Fox Tango filers before 
the filter line was acquired by W2VJN many years ago. 

All of the filers are slightly wider than nominal so that the 
effective bandwidth of two cascaded filters (e.g., 8 MHz and 
455 KHz) is approximately nominal.  Unfortunately, the 8 and 
9 MHz filters in particular are significantly wider than the 
notational value in the narrow values - more than necessary to 
maintain the desired bandwidth in cascade. 

73, 

   ... Joe, W4TV 
 


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David 
 Woolley (E.L)
 Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 6:04 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Filter selection
 
 
 Bill W4ZV wrote:
 
  
  400 and 250:  A waste of money IMHO.  Since the 400 is actually 435 
  and the 250 is actually 370, there is only 65 Hz difference in this 
  combination and you'll probably never notice the difference between 
  them (370/435 = only 15% narrower).  Total cost $250.
 
 I think you are generalising from a single sample.
 
 It may well be the case that to  guarantee a bandwidth of at 
 least 250 
 Hz, without doing expensive select on test procedures for the 
 capacitors, one will have some samples at 370 Hz.
 
 What you may be getting is 250Hz with a given shape factor, but 
 individual units may achieve that shape factor by going flat 
 to a higher 
 frequency and then cutting off much more sharply.
 
 -- 
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Eric Scace K3NA
  In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is 
a rule:  If an action will destroy information  or a state than cannot 
be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the 
system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or 
(b) a confirmation step.


  The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the 
unintended action during the time it takes to recover.  For example, a 
(hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft 
requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until 
the pilot hits UnDo would be bad!


  This rule applies to software as well as hardware.

-- Eric K3NA
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[Elecraft] K3 - Proset K2 Mic Frequency Response

2008-05-29 Thread Geoffrey Downs
Can anyone point me in the direction of a graph of, or any info about, the 
frequency response of the mic in the Proset K2? My searches have been 
unsuccessful.


73 to all

Geoff
G3UCK 


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[Elecraft] K3: A funny thing happened

2008-05-29 Thread Phil Debbie Salas

I was on 30m cw, swr about 1.1 when suddenly I noticed my output drop from
100W to about 40W and the swr had risen to 4 or so.

Do you have a KAT3 installed?  Doesn't matter if it was bypassed or not. 
Several of us have had similar problems.  In my case, this occurred on 20 
meters, and then again on 30 meters.  And while the SWR wound up recovering 
OK on those bands, I wound up with a residual SWR on 17-10 meters that would 
not go away - and I only resolved this by having the KAT3 replaced.


I bring this up each time someone reports something similar, as I believe 
there is something here that needs to be addressed.


Phil - AD5X 


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[Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Phil Debbie Salas

How about a single level 'undo' or 'Recycle Bin' that saves the last
modified memory contents.  That way, if you realize you've overwritten
a memory by mistake, you can 'undo' to get the original contents back.

Or maybe just require two presses of VM?  That's the way one of my talkies 
works.  When I hit VM, the memory number flashes.  Hitting VM again stores 
the info in that memory.


Phil - AD5X 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability

2008-05-29 Thread Geoffrey Mackenzie-Kennedy

Hello Bill,

Well said Sir :-)

73,
Geoff
GM4ESD


Every time I see the term ESSB I see red.  I wonder if these folks 
have ever read FCC Part 97.307 (a) Emission Standards:


(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
necessary for the information rate and emission type being 
transmitted, in accordance with good amateur practice.


http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/news/part97/

Instead of playing wannabe broadcast engineer, why don't these folks 
try something really creative, like trying to see how *little* 
bandwidth they can use to communicate, instead of how much bandwidth 
they can consume?


Icom has a lot of faults (like very misleading advertising) but I do 
commend them for limiting the bandwidth of their voice modes.

End of rant.

73,  Bill  W4ZV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread G4ILO



Eric Scace K3NA wrote:
 
In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is 
 a rule:  If an action will destroy information  or a state than cannot 
 be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the 
 system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or 
 (b) a confirmation step.
 
The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the 
 unintended action during the time it takes to recover.  For example, a 
 (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft 
 requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until 
 the pilot hits UnDo would be bad!
 
This rule applies to software as well as hardware.
 
 
True, but we're talking about a microcontroller in a radio not a computer
with ever expandable memory. A recent firmware change moved data to the
front panel memory to free up space on the main controller, so presumably
the developers are getting concerned about space already.

I'd prefer to see features added that gave on-air functionality, not Are
you sure? OK / Cancel nagging beloved of Windows. After the first few times
of overwriting a memory, you learn not to do it.

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: Using built in PSK?

2008-05-29 Thread G4ILO


Bob Cunnings wrote:
 
 Hmm, I responded with this message:
 
 http://www.nabble.com/Re%3A-K3%3A-Using-built-in-PSK--p17503377.html
 
 Since you remarked that when you monitored your transmitted signal it
 didn't have fullness I thought that you might be sending only an
 idle signal, which would be the case if you were trying to key the rig
 with an ordinary key, rather than paddles.
 
 
I assume that he's using recent firmware. Up until a couple of months ago,
the K3 internal PSK31 produced what sounded a bit like PSK31 but was
actually gibberish.

I really haven't bothered with the paddle-generated PSK mode, but I did test
it recently by monitoring on another receiver and it decoded OK. There have
been a couple of updates since then, though.

-
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - HAGCMDKT mod kit

2008-05-29 Thread G4ILO



n2wn wrote:
 
 My experience with SM parts is that you need patience,
 a fine tip on your iron and good timing :o) Heating
 too long is a definite killer.
 
I should imagine that good eyesight and a steady soldering iron hand are
essential too. I need an Optivizor type thing even to work on regular parts
these days. If there are any old timers able to work with these parts, I
take my hat off to them.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread David Cutter
Would your rule be covered if you had to hold in another button at the same 
time as hitting the memory button?  Or, say, turn the power to zero before 
making memory additions...


David
G3UNA


  In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there is a 
rule:  If an action will destroy information  or a state than cannot be 
restored with the same effort that it took to destroy, then the system 
requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal simplicity, or (b) a 
confirmation step.


  The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the 
unintended action during the time it takes to recover.  For example, a 
(hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft 
requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until the 
pilot hits UnDo would be bad!


  This rule applies to software as well as hardware.

-- Eric K3NA 


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: A funny thing happened

2008-05-29 Thread Stephen Prior

No, I don't have the KAT3 installed, but it sounds as if it might be the
same sort of thing.

Thanks anyway, perhaps it won't happen again!

73 Stephen

On 29/05/2008 16:54, Phil  Debbie Salas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was on 30m cw, swr about 1.1 when suddenly I noticed my output drop from
 100W to about 40W and the swr had risen to 4 or so.
 
 Do you have a KAT3 installed?  Doesn't matter if it was bypassed or not.
 Several of us have had similar problems.  In my case, this occurred on 20
 meters, and then again on 30 meters.  And while the SWR wound up recovering
 OK on those bands, I wound up with a residual SWR on 17-10 meters that would
 not go away - and I only resolved this by having the KAT3 replaced.
 
 I bring this up each time someone reports something similar, as I believe
 there is something here that needs to be addressed.
 
 Phil - AD5X 
 
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[Elecraft] Re: K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Bob Evans
Steve,

I think something must be wrong because both of my K3s peak to 100W without
compression.  When I use the COMP (which I do for contesting), it spanks the
 out of my amps.  Still no distortion in either case.  I'm using the
Heil #4 and #5 elements in the Pro-Headset

Bob K5WA

K3 #234 and #752 

*

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Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 23:20:23 -0400

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It seems that without the compressor it is difficult to obtain full SSB 

output. I'm listening to a guy right now on 160m in QSO. He had is 

compression on and as can be expected, was picking up plenty of fan noise 

from his amplifier. He was advised to turn off the compression. This he 

did and the fan noise went away but he complained about insufficient drive 

to his amp and his K3 was only putting out 38 watts now.

I don't have a decent peak reading wattmeter but I think weak RF output is a


common complaint. I just wonder if Elecraft expects everyone to run some 

degree of compression? Or are we interpreting the PWR meter on the K3 

incorrectly?

Steve Ellington

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - ESSB Availability [End of Thread]

2008-05-29 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Guys, lets nip this thread before it roars to life again. ;-) 

A quick search of the archives will bring all of the past pro/con ESSB 
discussions to light in excruciating detail.


73, Eric   WA6HHQ  Elecraft list moderator


Paul Christensen wrote:
Every time I see the term ESSB I see red.  I wonder if these folks 
have ever read FCC Part 97.307 (a) Emission Standards:


(a) No amateur station transmission shall occupy more bandwidth than 
necessary for the information rate and emission type being 
transmitted, in accordance with good amateur practice.


Bill,

The problem with Section 97.307(a) lies in its drafting and purpose.  
The plain-language meaning of this section infers that as long as the 
transmission occupies no more bandwidth than that necessary for the 
emission type we are trying to achieve, then we are complaint with the 
rule, subject to good amateur practice.



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[Elecraft] K3 - RIT XIT

2008-05-29 Thread Joe Word
I wish RIT and XIT would stay on when changing bands or memory
channels, it goes off when going to another band or memory channel.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?


Joe  N9VX
K3  #841
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[Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Dave G4AON

Leigh

The whole VFO/memory management with the K3 is very poor. Other 
transceivers, many at less than half the price of a K3, have a V/M 
switch so you are either using it in VFO mode or channel mode, even 
being able to scan the memories. Having to press a button then rotate 
the main dial knob, then press another button to listen to each of the 
60m channels, one channel at the time is hopeless. It's just as well I 
have my TS480 for 60m as the K3 is so awkward to use in a channelised 
manner!


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80
-

For about the 3rd or 4th time I've tapped V-M, selected a memory (on of
the 60m spot frequencies, the only global memories I have), rotated the
VFO dial, and then tapped V-M again and overwrote the memory with the
current VFO setting.

Once the 2nd RX gets out it would be nice to get some attention paid to
the memories; channel mode, especially for 60m but probably also for
general use (think mobile ops; another K3 owner has suggested the VFO B
knob for this.), making it harder to overwrite, etc.

Leigh/WA5ZNU
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[Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Dave G4AON

Steve

Using compression here I obtain absolutely superb SSB audio from my K3, 
it sounds really nice and does not have excessive microphone levels to 
the point where background noise is a problem. I've had several 
unsolicited reports saying how good the transmission sounds, it isn't 
broke so it doesn't need fixing as far as I am concerned.


Anyone with sufficient fan noise from an amplifier to be picked up on 
their microphone should be looking for a quieter amplifier!


73 Dave, G4AON
K3/100 #80, Kenwood MC-43S microphone, Acom 1000 linear (they are very 
quiet)



It seems that without the compressor it is difficult to obtain full SSB
output. I'm listening to a guy right now on 160m in QSO. He had is
compression on and as can be expected, was picking up plenty of fan noise
from his amplifier. He was advised to turn off the compression. This he
did and the fan noise went away but he complained about insufficient drive
to his amp and his K3 was only putting out 38 watts now.
I don't have a decent peak reading wattmeter but I think weak RF output 
is a

common complaint. I just wonder if Elecraft expects everyone to run some
degree of compression? Or are we interpreting the PWR meter on the K3
incorrectly?
Steve Ellington
N4LQ at insightbb.com http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Bob Tellefsen
Intriguing idea, Lyle.
Could you expand on it a bit?
73, Bob N6WG

- Original Message - 
From: Lyle Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Ian White GM3SEK [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor


 Hello Ian!

  ... Any transmitter with effective compression
  will also benefit from a noise gate or some other kind of
nonlinear
  threshold, to reduce the noise background when there's no actual
speech.
  This would be something like VOX, but with a different
configurable
  threshold and hold/release dynamics.
 
  To obtain full value from the K3's highly effective compressor,
could a
  noise gate be added to 'Lyle's List', please?

 Instead of a Noise Gate with two or three variables, I've
implemented an
 *experimental* Downward Expander with a single variable (threshold).
It
 certainly kills the background noise here!

 We're listening...

 Lyle KK7P

 PS - Not sure when it'll be in the release code.  Higher priority
items
 in the queue at the moment.

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RE: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread Terry Schieler
Actually a ten minute countdown timer for we rag chewers would be kind  
of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for ID  
every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a built in CW  
IDer that ID's every ten minutes.

Just an idle thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time on  
their hands, hi.

Dale, K9VUJ


I just hope that this doesn't take precedent over my request for a built-in
halogen fire extinguisher!  :o)

Terry, W0FM

-Original Message-
From: dalej [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

Actually a ten minute countdown timer for we rag chewers would be kind  
of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for ID  
every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a built in CW  
IDer that ID's every ten minutes.

Just an idle thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time on  
their hands, hi.

Dale, K9VUJ


On 29, May 2008, at 7:46, Alexandr Kobranov wrote:

 Do you need a SLEEP function?
 :-)
 73!
 Lexa, ok1dst
 K3/10 #727


 dalej napsal(a):
 Any chance to add a 10 minute countdown timer to the K3?
 Dale, K9VUJ
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RE: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread Greg - AB7R
Or water-cooled finals for a dead silent radio.  :)

-
73,
Greg - AB7R
Whidbey Island WA
NA-065


On Thu May 29 10:55 , Terry Schieler  sent:


of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for ID  
every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a built in CW  
IDer that ID's every ten minutes.

Just an idle thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time on  
their hands, hi.

Dale, K9VUJ


I just hope that this doesn't take precedent over my request for a built-in
halogen fire extinguisher!  :o)

Terry, W0FM

-Original Message-
From: dalej [EMAIL PROTECTED]','','','')[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:19 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

Actually a ten minute countdown timer for we rag chewers would be kind  
of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for ID  
every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a built in CW  
IDer that ID's every ten minutes.

Just an idle thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time on  
their hands, hi.

Dale, K9VUJ


On 29, May 2008, at 7:46, Alexandr Kobranov wrote:

 Do you need a SLEEP function?
 :-)
 73!
 Lexa, ok1dst
 K3/10 #727


 dalej napsal(a):
 Any chance to add a 10 minute countdown timer to the K3?
 Dale, K9VUJ
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[Elecraft] K3 Memory Management with HRD

2008-05-29 Thread Mike Scott
Three Cheers for Simon Brown!

I hope you add 6M and bandwidth sliders to Ham Radio Deluxe too.


Mike Scott - AE6WA
Tarzana, CA (DM04 / near LA)
K3-100 #508/ KX1  #1311


Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:16:51 +0200
From: Simon Brown (HB9DRV) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - More on memories - I think...
To: Stewart Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED],Elecraft
Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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As soon as Wayne publishes the CAT commands I'll add this support to Ham 
Radio Deluxe.

Wayne's to-do list must be far larger than my own and he's a tad swamped I 
think.

Simon Brown, HB9DRV


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Memory Management with HRD

2008-05-29 Thread Simon Brown (HB9DRV)
6M you can add yourself (!), bandwidth is waiting on Wayne to add the CAT 
support.


Simon Brown, HB9DRV

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread S Sacco
I don't want to depend on my computer.

I don't want to have to repeatedly push an up/down button.

I don't want to custom-program memories, and have to remember what's what.

I want to directly go to the band I want with a dedicated keypad.

I bought the K3 despite this shortcoming, so I accept it, just like I
accept that, for me, the radio is a bit too physically small, but that
doesn't mean I have to like it.  It means only that I understand that
practically everything in life is a compromise.

73,
Steve NN4X

P.S: It looks like Windows 7 is going to support touch screen input.
Imagine the interfaces that'll be possible THEN!  We could create our
own K3 on a big touch screen monitor, and it could be HUGE, and maybe
I could even get my direct band-switching!

Maybe I could write a UI that would make the K3 look like a 75A-4 or
something (but with a built-in band scope ;-) ).


On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 8:57 AM, DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 My oh my.  What is so hard about changing bands on the K3?

 You can use the band up/down button (which means you are no more than
 5 pushes away from any band, probably less).  Is it really important
 to change bands in less than 2 or 3 seconds?

 You can use direct keypad entry.  Also under 5 seconds.

 You can use the memories in any of the various setups posted here.
 Any of them take just a couple seconds...some only 1 second.

 You can control the band from you computer (instant change).

 Even being a contester where time counts, I just can't see what is so
 urgent about a band switch keypad ala the other rigs.  Is this
 really such a big deal?

 de Doug KR2Q
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[Elecraft] I want a blue K3

2008-05-29 Thread Tom Hall
..with chrome knobs and an LCD display so I can watch Oprah. Oh yeah, can
you make it a little taller so I don't have to squint? Can you put a fan on
top that blows a refrigerant to keep my beer cool? I know you're busy, but..

Thanks,
Tom, AK2B

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread Joe Stofko
Dale wrote:

-Any chance to add a 10 minute countdown timer to the K3?

-Dale, K9VUJ

This was a suggestion that I had made 
several months ago. I believe I had mentioned it 
to Lyle, KK7P...  

As I recall, the response was that it seemed a reasonable
request and that it would be forwarded for consideration 
to the firmware development team. 

Glad to see there are others who feel it would be a 
welcome addition to the feature set. I think that
a configurable countdown timer (ability to set it for
any particular interval as here in the US it is 10 minutes
but elsewhere in the world it may differ. Canada, I 
believe, is 30 minutes) would be a great idea.

73,
Joe-W1AIU

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Re: [Elecraft] I want a blue K3

2008-05-29 Thread ON4WIX

Consider your wish granted, hi
http://uk.shopping.com/xPF-AEG-AEG-Fridge

73 de Glenn ON4WIX

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:18 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] I want a blue K3



..with chrome knobs and an LCD display so I can watch Oprah. Oh yeah, can
you make it a little taller so I don't have to squint? Can you put a fan 
on
top that blows a refrigerant to keep my beer cool? I know you're busy, 
but..


Thanks,
Tom, AK2B

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Augie Hansen

Lyle Johnson wrote:

...
Instead of a Noise Gate with two or three variables, I've implemented 
an *experimental* Downward Expander with a single variable 
(threshold).  It certainly kills the background noise here! ...

We're listening...


This would be welcome addition to the K3. Noise gates have been 
unsatisfactory in my experience, usually being difficult to set up and 
introducing unwanted clicks and abrupt level changes into the audio 
stream. A smooth operating downward expander is a far better choice.


I currently use a Behringer VX-2000 to drive the microphone input via a 
-20db voltage pad. My primary reasons for using the unit are the 
downward expander and the flexible input circuit for balanced 
microphones (and phantom power if needed).


I hope your experiment becomes K3 feature at some point.

Gus Hansen
KB0YH

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread Lyle Johnson

Intriguing idea, Lyle.
Could you expand on it a bit?


Go to  URL:http://www.dxatlas.com/VShaper/  and scroll down the page 
at the last few graphs.


73,

Lyle kK7P

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[Elecraft] K3 noisy fan?

2008-05-29 Thread Stephen Prior
I'm sure that one of the fans on the back of my new K3 is noisier than it
should be, as if the bearings are wearing.  Even at the lowest level it is a
bit annoying, especially as folks were saying how quiet the radio is in this
respect.

Has anyone else experienced this?

73 Stephen

K3 s/n 980



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - RIT XIT

2008-05-29 Thread Laurent Ferracci

I wish i could use RIT CLR while transmitting. And all other functions, too.

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[Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread Norm Duxbury
If you're using WriteLog software, K3 bandswitching is a breeze -- Simply 
type the first two digits of the desired band (14, e.g.) into WriteLog, hit 
Enter, and you're there (14000).   Want to go to an exact frequency?  Type 
it and hit Enter.  And, after you're there, you can even fine-tune signals 
using the mousewheel.  Seldom do I use the K3 controls to change bands.

73, Norm - W1MO
K3 #426




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Re: [Elecraft] K3 noisy fan?

2008-05-29 Thread Jim

Stephen

Something is not right because you shouldn't hear fan noise. Mine is real 
quiet, so quiet early on I checked to see if it was running.


Jim

- Original Message - 
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To: elecraft elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 2:46 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 noisy fan?



I'm sure that one of the fans on the back of my new K3 is noisier than it
should be, as if the bearings are wearing.  Even at the lowest level it is 
a
bit annoying, especially as folks were saying how quiet the radio is in 
this

respect.

Has anyone else experienced this?

73 Stephen

K3 s/n 980



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[Elecraft] Psk31 with K2

2008-05-29 Thread Yves Dussault

I would like suggestions on interfacing the K2 and suggestions...

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread G8fmh
 
In a message dated 29/05/2008 18:57:02 GMT Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Actually a ten minute countdown timer for we rag chewers would be  kind  
of nice touch and helps to comply with U.S. FCC regulations for  ID  
every ten minutes.  The other option would be to have a  built in CW  
IDer that ID's every ten minutes.

Just an idle  thought for when the Elecraft team has some spare time on  
their  hands, hi.

Dale, K9VUJ


I just hope that this doesn't  take precedent over my request for a built-in
halogen fire  extinguisher!  :o)

Terry, W0FM



What about the coffee pot and kitchen sink
 
G8FMH



   
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Re: [Elecraft] Psk31 with K2

2008-05-29 Thread Don Wilhelm
Take a look at the Digital Interface box for the K2 on my website 
http://w3fpr.qrpradio.com and perhaps you can find some ideas.  The 
interfacing is not hard as long as you don't want extra 'whiz-bang' 
features that are included with the commercial models.
Also while at my website, take a look at the K2 Fixed Audio output.  If 
you find that desirable, Tom Hammond has boards that will allow you to 
mount it between the front panel and the control board.  See 
www.n0ss.net for more information on the fixed audio boards.


With the fixed audio piped to a spare pin on your microphone jack and 
the interface box, you can have just one cable to the K2 microphone jack 
for all your soundcard generated data modes.


73,
Don W3FPR

Yves Dussault wrote:

I would like suggestions on interfacing the K2 and suggestions...




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RE: [Elecraft] K3 noisy fan?

2008-05-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
It should be whisper quiet, especially at low speeds. 

Be sure nothing is touching the fan. Sometimes a wire can get pushed into
the finger guard or, just inside the rear panel, the circuit breaker
wiring might be pushed over where it can touch a spinning hub or blades.

If it's a factory built K3 and you've not had the cover off to peek inside,
that's every easy. Nine of the flat head screws on top release the cover.
There's a drawing in Appendix A to your Owner's manual that shows exactly
which screws to remove. 

If that doesn't bring relief, a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] certainly
will!

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

I'm sure that one of the fans on the back of my new K3 is noisier than it
should be, as if the bearings are wearing.  Even at the lowest level it is a
bit annoying, especially as folks were saying how quiet the radio is in this
respect.

Has anyone else experienced this?

73 Stephen

K3 s/n 980

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RE: [Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
90% of my band changes are done by direct frequency entry to drop me in the
band segment I want (e.g. 7.030 or 14.250) It's not a one button push but
it's quick, easy, puts me where I want to be without cycling through the
bands using the up/down button, spinning the tuning knob unnecessarily or
programming lots of memories.

Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-
I don't want to depend on my computer.

I don't want to have to repeatedly push an up/down button.

I don't want to custom-program memories, and have to remember what's what.

I want to directly go to the band I want with a dedicated keypad.

I bought the K3 despite this shortcoming, so I accept it, just like I accept
that, for me, the radio is a bit too physically small, but that doesn't mean
I have to like it.  It means only that I understand that practically
everything in life is a compromise.

73,
Steve NN4X

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 noisy fan?

2008-05-29 Thread Stephen Prior
Ron and others

Thanks.  I've identified the fan, it's the one with the short lead.  It's
definitely noisier than the other, and it's not an air type noise of the
sound that comes from the blades contacting anything, it just sounds like
bearings to me.  I'll email support.  It's not a show stopper.

Thanks all

73 Stephen G4SJP


On 29/05/2008 20:09, Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It should be whisper quiet, especially at low speeds.
 
 Be sure nothing is touching the fan. Sometimes a wire can get pushed into
 the finger guard or, just inside the rear panel, the circuit breaker
 wiring might be pushed over where it can touch a spinning hub or blades.
 
 If it's a factory built K3 and you've not had the cover off to peek inside,
 that's every easy. Nine of the flat head screws on top release the cover.
 There's a drawing in Appendix A to your Owner's manual that shows exactly
 which screws to remove.
 
 If that doesn't bring relief, a note to [EMAIL PROTECTED] certainly
 will!
 
 Ron AC7AC
 
 
 -Original Message-
 
 I'm sure that one of the fans on the back of my new K3 is noisier than it
 should be, as if the bearings are wearing.  Even at the lowest level it is a
 bit annoying, especially as folks were saying how quiet the radio is in this
 respect.
 
 Has anyone else experienced this?
 
 73 Stephen
 
 K3 s/n 980
 
 



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[Elecraft] K3 Band changing...

2008-05-29 Thread Dave G.
What's wrong with 
FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER'
?
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Ed Lambert


For example, a
 (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines on an aircraft 
 requires a confirmation step... because turning off the engines until 
 the pilot hits UnDo would be bad!
 
This rule applies to software as well as hardware.
 
 -- Eric K3NA
 
This has no bearing on the current discussion but might be interesting to
some. The button that shuts down jet engines is protected only by the
human instinct to survive. We sit there for thousands of hours in the
cockpit and never have any impulse to move those switches to the cutoff
position, except during an intentional engine shutdown. (You usually have to
lift and move to get to the cutoff position; you can't brush against them
and move them.) I can only recall one case where a B767 pilot moved both
switches to the cutoff position unintentionally. He thought they were
something else I think. That event had a happy outcome. He did resort to an
undo procedure.

Some airplanes with overhead panel pushbutton fire switches are guarded
mechanically to avoid hitting them with your head or shoulder when you get
out of your seat. (The fire switches cut off fuel to the engine, among other
things.)

Ed Lambert KD3Y (B747-400)


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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor?

2008-05-29 Thread Bill W5WVO
One thing that hasn't been mentioned is that if a guy is complaining about
your shack noise being heard between your sentences or even words, it simply
means that your signal, to this guy, is extremely strong, and he has his AGC
set too fast, so that it tries to follow the audo waveform. Inreasing the
AGC time constant (setting it to medium to slow) and/or kicking in the
attenuator and/or turning off the preamp, or some combination of these,
typically solves the problem (assuming the K3 TX really is set up
properly -- not too much mic gain / compression, etc.). Guys have been
amazed at how much better I sound after I tell them this. :-)  Of course,
approaching the issue from the K3 TX side is completely valid as well.

Bill W5WVO

Ian White GM3SEK wrote:
 Charles Harpole wrote:

 How about just using a good mic that is dead to its back and thus
 leaves out virtually all fan noise?


 That only means you don't have a big enough amplifier yet :-)

 The main thing that reduces fan noise on the outgoing signal is
 close-talking and turning the mic gain down; but directional
 microphones then suffer from proximity effects, giving too much
 emphasis on the bass (cue Jim Brown).

 And anyway, the fan noise doesn't usually come from behind the
 microphone. In most shack layouts the amplifier is off to one side,
 and the noise bounces off the walls and ceiling, and arrives at the
 mic from all directions.

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

5 presses?
--
A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness.
-Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973)

On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote:


What's wrong with
FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER'
?
--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
   Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather'

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Re: [Elecraft] Psk31 with K2

2008-05-29 Thread G4ILO


Yves Dussault wrote:
 
 I would like suggestions on interfacing the K2 and suggestions...
 
If you like the simple approach: http://www.g4ilo.com/k2psk31.html 

-
Julian, G4ILO  K3 s/n: 222 K2 s/n: 392
G4ILO's Shack: www.g4ilo.com
Zerobeat Ham Forums: www.zerobeat.net/smf
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...

2008-05-29 Thread Mark Bayern
Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top
of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on
again, then tuning the rig for the new band.

Mark  AD5SS



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 5 presses?
 --
 A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness.
 -Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973)

 On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote:

 What's wrong with
 FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER'
 ?
 --
 Dave G.   KK7SS
 '65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
 Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
   Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather'

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread Dr. Werner Furlan
Phil, 

Phil  Debbie Salas schrieb am 29 May 2008 um 10:57:

 Or maybe just require two presses of VM?  That's the way one of my talkies
 works.  When I hit VM, the memory number flashes.  Hitting VM again
 stores the info in that memory.

I find this a very good proposal. 

73! de Werner OE9FWV



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...

2008-05-29 Thread Bob Nielsen

You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^)

Bob, N7XY

On May 29, 2008, at 1:23 PM, Mark Bayern wrote:


Sure sounds easier than turning off the plate supply, opening the top
of the cabinet, changing the coil(s), closing it up, turning the HV on
again, then tuning the rig for the new band.

Mark  AD5SS



On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, David Ferrington, M0XDF
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

5 presses?
--
A good cook is like a sorceress who dispenses happiness.
-Elsa Schiaparelli, fashion designer (1890-1973)

On 29 May 2008, at 20:28, Dave G. wrote:


What's wrong with
FREQ ENT - '1' - '4' - '.' - 'ENTER'
?
--
Dave G.   KK7SS
'65 MK III Sprite in Richland, WA
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
  Terry Pratchett, 'Hogfather'

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF

no way do it want to drop power to zero, just so i can load a memory
--  
The trees that are slow to grow bear the best fruit.

-Moliere, actor and playwright (1622-1673)

On 29 May 2008, at 17:49, David Cutter wrote:

Would your rule be covered if you had to hold in another button at  
the same time as hitting the memory button?  Or, say, turn the power  
to zero before making memory additions...


David
G3UNA


 In the world of ergonomics and man-machine interface design, there  
is a rule:  If an action will destroy information  or a state than  
cannot be restored with the same effort that it took to destroy,  
then the system requires either (a) a Un-Do function of equal  
simplicity, or (b) a confirmation step.


 The choice between (a) or (b) depends on the consequences of the  
unintended action during the time it takes to recover.  For  
example, a (hypothetical!) button that shuts down the jet engines  
on an aircraft requires a confirmation step... because turning off  
the engines until the pilot hits UnDo would be bad!


 This rule applies to software as well as hardware.

-- Eric K3NA 



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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...

2008-05-29 Thread Mark Bayern
 You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^)

Also forgot changing the crystal ... but you get the point.
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RE: [Elecraft] K3 - RIT XIT

2008-05-29 Thread N2TK
Me too!
N2TK, Tony
#311 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Laurent Ferracci
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - RIT  XIT

I wish i could use RIT CLR while transmitting. And all other functions, too.

-- 
Laurent Ferracci, F1JKJ
Blog radio http://www.ferracci.org
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 - RIT XIT

2008-05-29 Thread Mike Harris
Hi,

Yes, why would you want it to stay on when changing band or QSYing.  Both 
result in a whole new scenario where RIT or XIT are probably not required, 
at least initially.

Also with regards to memory management, I certainly don't want a load of 
nanny steps to stop me mucking it up.  As has already been mentioned, you 
soon learn not to stuff it up.

I prefer to need to think a little.

Been listening to the K2 and K3 on the same beacon signal, noticeable 
delay in the signal passing through the K3.  No problem but maybe the nano 
second band change QRQ people might wonder why the other guy has gone back 
to someone else whilst your DSP filters are emptying.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO

- Original Message - 
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 1:21 PM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - RIT  XIT


|I wish RIT and XIT would stay on when changing bands or memory
| channels, it goes off when going to another band or memory channel.
|
| Anyone else have thoughts on this?
|
|
| Joe  N9VX
| K3  #841
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RE: [Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread Bruce McLaughlin
These are interesting comments.  I don't really mind cycling up and down the
bands and doing a bit of knob turning.  I simply push the button for fast
tuning and be done with it.  Band stacking registers would have been a nice
feature but I guess you can't have everything.  About the only small problem
I have had, bearing in mind that I have had the K-3 for only about two
weeks, is that I tend to cause the band to switch down when I am trying to
activate the vox.  I often don't hold the button long enough and so it
lowers the band rather than activating the vox.  I think that is a matter
that will just require getting used to.

Bruce-W8FU

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron D'Eau Claire
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:10 PM
To: 'Elecraft Reflector'
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

90% of my band changes are done by direct frequency entry to drop me in the
band segment I want (e.g. 7.030 or 14.250) It's not a one button push but
it's quick, easy, puts me where I want to be without cycling through the
bands using the up/down button, spinning the tuning knob unnecessarily or
programming lots of memories.

Ron AC7AC



-Original Message-
I don't want to depend on my computer.

I don't want to have to repeatedly push an up/down button.

I don't want to custom-program memories, and have to remember what's what.

I want to directly go to the band I want with a dedicated keypad.

I bought the K3 despite this shortcoming, so I accept it, just like I accept
that, for me, the radio is a bit too physically small, but that doesn't mean
I have to like it.  It means only that I understand that practically
everything in life is a compromise.

73,
Steve NN4X

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Re: [Elecraft] 10 minute countdown timer

2008-05-29 Thread hank k8dd
- Original Message 

From: Terry Schieler [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I just hope that this doesn't take precedent over my request for a built-in
halogen fire extinguisher!  :o)

Terry, W0FM

Or some of the more serious stuff like:

The NOTCH button.
Instead of cycling Autonotch, manual, off
Make it -Tap NOTCH and AutoNOTCH comes on.
Tap it again and AutoNOTCH goes off.
Or
HOLD NOTCH and it goes to MANUAL NOTCH and you
can adjust the notch frequency.
Tap it and it goes off.

or

The ability to use WIDTH while you are transmitting.
And have the buttons on the right side work while transmitting,
and not screw up the CW being sent

or

Have both RX and TX audio go out the LINE OUT at a fixed level, 
not at the AF Gain level.

or

PTT should over ride any CW delay settings when not in QSK.
No delay at the end of a memory from the PC (CQ, Exchange, etc) when using PTT 
control.
But you would want a CW delay when sending from the paddle/keyer

Those would be some of my thoughts.

73HankK8DD



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Re: [Elecraft] I want a blue K3

2008-05-29 Thread Brian Lloyd


On May 29, 2008, at 11:22 AM, ON4WIX wrote:


Consider your wish granted, hi
http://uk.shopping.com/xPF-AEG-AEG-Fridge


Where is the second receiver?

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Re: [Elecraft] K3: too easy to overwrite dial memories

2008-05-29 Thread hank k8dd
And then it would be nice to hear the memory when you press MVFO as 
you step through the memories.

73HankK8DD


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Phil  Debbie Salas schrieb am 29 May 2008 um 10:57:

 Or maybe just require two presses of VM?  That's the way one of my talkies
 works.  When I hit VM, the memory number flashes.  Hitting VM again
 stores the info in that memory.


  
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Band changing...

2008-05-29 Thread ab2tc

We are indeed spoiled. If Elecraft could just fix the disappearing of ham
bands on the BAND button when tuning to a non-ham-band frequency, I would be
happy as punch. Not all radios have a dedicated button for each band (at
least 11), which is really a waste of panel space. I have been happy
band-switching (up/down buttons) with my IC-718 for years, but it doesn't
have the Elecraft disappearance quirk.

Knut - AB2TC


Mark Bayern wrote:
 
 You forgot to add changing the coils in the HRO receiver :^)
 
 Also forgot changing the crystal ... but you get the point.
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Re: [Elecraft] K3: A funny thing happened

2008-05-29 Thread Fred Jensen

Forgot one thing about the 30m VSWR situation:

While the ATU was trying to tune the antenna, it started at something 
like 25-1.  It got down to about 6-1 after quite a bit of noise, but all 
during this time my external wattmeter indicated zero power output.  On 
all the other bands, it shows a low power while tuning.  It also 
produced no power when I keyed it after tuning.


73,

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Need for compressor

2008-05-29 Thread K8TB
   If we are talking about modifying the K3 transmit audio, we also 
might want to look at installing a phase rotator, or phase scrambler.


Most male voices are very asymmetrical. This presents a real problem 
with broadcast radio, especially AM. With US AM transmission, you are 
allowed 100% negative modulation, and 125% positive modulation. With a 
proper AM transmitter and audio chain, and the 125% positive limiter 
disabled, and the right type of a male voice, you can get 175-200% 
positive modulation while never exceeding 100% negative. Flip the 
polarity of the audio driving the transmitter, and you will cause 
carrier clipping on the negative modulation, while never going over 
60-75% positive modulation. The broadcast equipment manufactures will 
many times look at the asymmetrical waveform and flip the polarity of 
the audio signal. Today, most stations depend on the microphone 
processor to balance out the microphone audio, by simple phase 
scrambling of the low end of the audio. This effect smooths out the 
sound of many male voices. I can turn the phase rotator on and off on my 
radio stations microphone processors off (Symetrix 528e's), and my 
announcers will complain that their voices sound a little brittle.


If you have ever look at your SSB signal on an oscilloscope, you may 
have noticed that the waveform goes higher in one direction than another.


It might be interesting to experiment with external processors on the 
effect, or lack of effect that phase scrambling might do for SSB.


   You can read up on how you can do this at several places:

W3AM does a good job at:
http://www.w3am.com/8poleapf.html

http://www.nu9n.com/am.html

http://www.omniaaudio.com/tech/speech.htm

http://www.euphonicmasters.com/orban_article.php
pdf of above at:
http://www.orban.com/support/orban/techtopics/Appdx_Radio_Ready_The_Truth_1.3.pdf


tom bosscher K8TB


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Re: [Elecraft] K3: band-bitch

2008-05-29 Thread Gill W4RYW

I spent about 15 Min programming my bands into the #1-10 keys and the 3 modes
on each band (CW, SSB, PSK) into the M1=M3 keys. I set my first favorite
freq in VFO A, second in VFO B for each M# key for that band. I can go where
I want with proper mode/filter/antenna/whatever I like!! in about 2 seconds. 

Where is the problem?? 

It is a poor workman that blames his tools!


Gill


DOUGLAS ZWIEBEL wrote:
 
 My oh my.  What is so hard about changing bands on the K3?
 
 
 You can use the memories in any of the various setups posted here.
 Any of them take just a couple seconds...some only 1 second.
 
 Even being a contester where time counts, I just can't see what is so
 urgent about a band switch keypad ala the other rigs.  Is this
 really such a big deal?
 
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