Re: [EVDL] Fw: Re: sion battery

2020-09-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "EVDL Administrator" Sent: 17-Sep-20 10:39:35 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Fw: Re: sion battery On 17 Sep 2020 at 14:28, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: We considered different battery sizes and opted for a 35 kWh battery. Thus we ensure a range o

[EVDL] Fw: Re: sion battery

2020-09-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I was curious about the recently announced Sion and inquired about a larger battery. I did realize the car won't initially be available in the US market but I wanted to ask anyway. Also, you may recall, this car is covered with solar panels, giving it some ability to charge all day long. Even t

Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
-- Original Message -- From: "Mark Abramowitz" To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 15-Sep-20 9:18:07 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover I think that you are correct, though I would not call it a green makeover. They are investing in energy that

[EVDL] Big Oil’s green makeover

2020-09-15 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
"BP is trying to reinvent itself as an energy company in the age of climate change. The company is shrinking its oil and gas business, revving up offshore wind power and developing solar and battery storage. It is even considering installing electric car charging kiosks at its gas stations, par

Re: [EVDL] Leased-returned Mirai fcvs: Toyota fool cell fire sale.

2020-08-31 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
How well would they work for a conversion ? They already have the motor and controller. Dump the FC, H2 tank, the existing small battery, and put in a battery. Is there space for that ? They may not sell at $20k. Watch the price come down. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blower

Re: [EVDL] FrankenVolt photos posted

2020-08-24 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Since this is a list of tinkerers and DIY-ers, I'll suggest some software for editing websites. It's Bootstrap Studio. Basically, it's a visual CSS & HTML editor where you can see the effects of your changes immediately. It comes with a nice set of CSS constructs and default values, which you c

Re: [EVDL] [External] EVLN: Tesla-Y feels like it’s not towing anything

2020-08-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Won't it also make a large difference overall, depending on the tow vehicle ? If the trailer fits in the trailing vacuum, I would think there would be less resistance than if it were punching a new hole. I suspect this could have a larger difference than the frontal area and Cd. Peri << Want

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Tesla .de making better li-ion cells> 9/22 battery day

2020-08-02 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Oh ! We have a date for Battery Day, now ! I'm excited, though I will put on my hype-shield glasses :) Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "evln" Sent: 02-Aug-

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Zoe EV converted for use as a micro e-van r:245mi

2020-08-02 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
For browsing, you might try Brave, which has a built-in ad blocker. I found my computer overheating with the CPU fan on full bore while trying to download and handle too many video ads. Once I started using Brave, the problem went away. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ?

Re: [EVDL] Smoothing Out the dreaded Duck-Curve> EV charging strategies

2020-07-30 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ng technologies, blanched when told that two Tesla trucks would require 2MW for charging, when his entire site had capacity for only 4 MW. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone On Jul 30, 2020, at 12:13 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Well, the article imprecisely referred to

Re: [EVDL] Smoothing Out the dreaded Duck-Curve> EV charging strategies

2020-07-30 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, the article imprecisely referred to "high speed chargers." Do you think they are concerned by everyone using level 2 at the same time ? Second, the article mentions a cul-de-sac as an example case. I think it matters a lot where people charge. If the L3 chargers are in a residential sett

Re: [EVDL] Smoothing Out the dreaded Duck-Curve> EV charging strategies

2020-07-30 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
First, why do utilities think people will install level 3 chargers ? A small percentage of people really do drive that much every day, but the rest rarely do and probably wouldn't want to pay the $thousands it takes to install one. At any rate, it seems there are at least two easy ways to help

Re: [EVDL] EV AC cooling efficiency vs ICE

2020-07-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Perhaps that is good. However, to make a strong statement to the average ICE owner, a different comparison might be more effective. I question how many people really care how much heat is generated and wasted. Given that the ICE is not very efficient when running at low RPMs and, further, that

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-24 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I want a cheaper Tesla, too. But I think Willie is right. If Tesla had tried to make a cheap model sooner, they would have only sold a trickle. That's not a good way for a startup to survive. Selling into to the masses will be a low profit cut throat market. I think that time is coming for Tesl

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: $40k Nissan Ariya fwd .jp EV r:300mi

2020-07-20 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
It would be nice to see some specs. I did a bit of searching but it seems little is really known yet. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "evln" Sent: 19-Jul-2

Re: [EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.

2020-07-14 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
That's pretty impressive ! I want a new chess set :) << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "Peter VanDerWal via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: e...@vanderwal.us Sent: 13-Jul-20 8:34:47 PM Sub

Re: [EVDL] Solar powered vehicle panel requirements.

2020-07-12 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Using a small scale wind tunnel just triggered an idea. How hard would it be to make a 3D printed model of your car ? (Pretty hard when you have to consider that it's every tiny bump that makes a difference in wind, but doable.) Anyway, having a scale model would allow inexpensive wind tunnel

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
How about an answer more like, "my primary car is the EV. A few times a year, I need to go further than its range, so I use car X." Deflect the question, like a "good" politician :) We have the Leaf (2011) and it is our primary car. Even with its horribly degraded range, it is almost exclusive

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
aking of personal experience driving an EV. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 9, 2020, at 10:42 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Paul, 300+ mile range isn't fictional. Or, maybe at least 250 miles. Sure, if you rarely go more than, say, 100 miles in a day you can rent something for the exc

Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4

2020-07-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Paul, 300+ mile range isn't fictional. Or, maybe at least 250 miles. Sure, if you rarely go more than, say, 100 miles in a day you can rent something for the exceptions. Using myself as an example, I need a vehicle that can go 200 miles RT for excursions to the mountains. I go 20-25 times a y

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: EV owner tossed lrr tires4 sticky-performance= less range

2020-07-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
So, if you want sticky tires, you need to buy an approximately 20% larger battery. At least if you measure it with a EPA style route. Since range normally becomes an issue when one has to travel long distances by freeway, I wonder if a better test would be simply driving on the freeway at 65-7

Re: [EVDL] 2024 CARB mandates= e-trucks in, diesel out> (CA still has smog)

2020-06-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Very encouraging. I wish it were even more aggressive, but this is still good. Here, in Seattle, it's visually evident that a huge amount of particulate comes from shipping. Especially during april and may, during our shutdown, the air was exceptionally clean - except in the harbor area. I

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-19 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, I admit Tesla's truck is closer than I thought. But it can't hold full sheets - too short (I don't know the width). And, if Tesla were to extend the bed, the vehicle would get crazy long. The advantage of the minivan is I take the seats out when I haul stuff. So, it becomes a two-seater w

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ift Wrench Monkey > > -Original Message- > From: EV On Behalf Of EVDL Administrator via EV > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 09:12 > To: Peri Hartman ; Electric Vehicle Discussion List < ev@lists.evdl.org> > Cc: EVDL Administrator > Subject: [External] Re

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid buses instead of electric for PSTA in Pinellas County? Evidence for commissioners.

2020-06-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Fuel Cell powered iPhone On Jun 17, 2020, at 7:08 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Here's some background info for you, Susan. Seattle (actually Metro of King County) is in the process of converting to 100% electric by 2040. They have been testing EV buses for a few years and plan the

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Rather than have movable panels, wouldn't it be easier to just have a deeper center channel. Plywood can be inserted vertically. The raised areas at the wheel wells can can be used for holding other things, like lumber. A bracket near the front of the cargo area can create a level platform wit

Re: [EVDL] Hybrid buses instead of electric for PSTA in Pinellas County? Evidence for commissioners.

2020-06-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Here's some background info for you, Susan. Seattle (actually Metro of King County) is in the process of converting to 100% electric by 2040. They have been testing EV buses for a few years and plan the first roll-out in 2021. You can get an overview here: https://kingcounty.gov/depts/transport

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
02 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project On 16 Jun 2020 at 23:59, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: So, if someone were to produce a long-range "useful" minivan at a "basic" price, that would be preferable. You have choices! All you have to do is move

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I need to think about), Gary's van might be suitable. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Lee Hart" Sent: 16-Jun-20 2:26:46 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Is it too late to change your design a bit ? If you can get one of the dimensions 48" or more, then it is more useful in construction, for hauling plywood, drywall, and other sheet items. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List"

Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project

2020-06-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Gary, it sounds interesting. Do you have any details to share ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Gary Krysztopik via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Gary Krysztopik" Sent: 15-Jun-20 11:35:45 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] George's farm truck/van EV project I am working on a

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: [External] Re: Million Mile Battery

2020-06-14 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Thanks, I've thought about that. But even a used Pacifica is not cheap and I'd rather hold my money for an EV van, assuming one will be available within a couple years. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- F

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: [External] Re: Million Mile Battery

2020-06-13 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
society that are being targeted with affordable EV transportation. George Mullineaux 3rd Shift Wrench Monkey -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Friday, June 12, 2020 10:04 To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: [External] Re: [E

Re: [EVDL] [External] Re: Million Mile Battery

2020-06-12 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Your statement is well said - for the present time. But in the near future, with a battery that is substantially cheaper, the "stupid" statement might apply to a pretty broad sector where as now it applies only to those who can pay somewhat more and need the kind of vehicles produced. In your

Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery

2020-06-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ot;Peri Hartman" Sent: 09-Jun-20 3:37:37 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery Well in current terms it means number of cycles to 80% capacity. So about 3500 cycles to 80% or something like that. On Tuesday, June 9, 2020, 5:04:55 PM CDT, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I think th

Re: [EVDL] Million Mile Battery

2020-06-09 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I think there are several points not being said - or asked. 1. What does "last" mean? 99% capacity, 90%, 70%. 2. What is the comparison between +10% cost for this supposed product and using only 70% capacity of the current battery in your car - meaning you overpaid by 30%. 3. How much more valu

Re: [EVDL] Variac and diode bridge to charge LiFEPO4

2020-06-08 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
By the way, Valance was bought out by Lithium Werks https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2018/02/07/1335508/0/en/Lithium-Werks-Acquires-Valence-Technologies-Inc.html AUSTIN, Texas, Feb. 07, 2018 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) Lithium Werks B.V. (www.lithiumwerks.com), a fast growing lithium ion battery

Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by science & CO2 lies

2020-06-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 04-Jun-20 11:02:12 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by science & CO2 lies I prefer not to source *either* from natural gas. - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone On Jun 4, 2020, at 10:56 AM, P

Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by science & CO2 lies

2020-06-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
rgy-Choices.html -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 10:52 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Peri Hartman Subject: Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by science So glad to see an article that clearly bl

Re: [EVDL] (offt) h2 won’t overtake EVs> hampered by science

2020-06-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
So glad to see an article that clearly blasts the myth of fuel cells. It's about time that people wake up and realize that you don't capture hydrogen by swishing around large sacks on top of mountains. On the other hand, to be more complete, I think the article (or some article) should also ta

Re: [EVDL] Diesel Brothers fined for removing emissions devices on trucks.

2020-06-02 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Wow, that is truly disgusting. I think the best "punishment" would be to have them convert the same pickups to EV. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Evan Foss via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Evan Foss" ; "Lawrence Rhodes" Sent: 02-Jun-20 6:34:57 PM Subject:

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-29 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I think the real argument, at least in this case, is based on loss of revenue. If you get some of your power from solar, you aren't paying as much to the utility. But, they still need to maintain the same capacity, for the days when your solar doesn't produce. So, their costs stay the same (or

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics) On 28 May 2020 at 15:52, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: But to be fair, there is a cost to the utility company since they get less revenue but still must maintain the same level of infrastructure. Surely there's a better and fair way

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's (economics)

2020-05-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
It really is a travesty. But to be fair, there is a cost to the utility company since they get less revenue but still must maintain the same level of infrastructure. Surely there's a better and fair way to do this. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleansea

Re: [EVDL] : V2g for DIY EV's

2020-05-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Why is this an inverter problem ? If there's no load, then there's no current through the inverter. I'm not sure what the effect is on the solar cells, themselves, but it seems that's where the problem ends up. Regardless, I assume it is not too bad for the cells since they have to be designed

Re: [EVDL] V2g for DIY EV's

2020-05-25 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
So, how does your system work ? I'm not following. Is this correct: you have a solar panel system which first powers your home, through a grid tie inverter. If there is excess power from the panels, that charges your cars. If there is insufficient power from the panels, the cars power your hom

Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G (Home batteries)

2020-05-20 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
supply. Maybe one advantage is simply increased battery purchases to help bring long term costs down, but that is something like a 2nd or 3rd order benefit. -Original Message- From: EV On Behalf Of Peri Hartman via EV Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2020 9:55 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List

Re: [EVDL] pack-aging: Tesla has V2G

2020-05-20 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
At some point, we're going to need lots of grid storage. Right now, the mix of wind and solar is relatively low. But as that increases, we'll need storage capacity to span non generative periods. During transition, we can still rely on natural gas power plants and others. Eventually, we'll simp

Re: [EVDL] membershp required: SF Electric Cars group on Nextdoor

2020-05-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I joined nextdoor a few years ago. I didn't have to provide anything except my physical address. Of course, with any social media, you get jerks who can't find tactful or mature ways to communicate. Nextdoor is no exception. But I think it's wrong for an org to have their presence hosted on f

Re: [EVDL] Tesla's upcoming battery day (v)

2020-05-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Is there an article or a transcript ? Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "evln" Sent: 15-May-20 8:30:53 PM Subject: [EVDL] Tesla's upcoming battery day (v)

Re: [EVDL] Battery pack sizing.

2020-05-12 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I think that's exactly what Lee meant. To be extreme, if you are designing an e-bike, you'll need a different ratio. Same for a semi tractor. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietcleanseattle.org/ >> -- Original Message -- From: "paul dove via EV" T

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

2020-05-11 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Yes, I completely agree with Lee on the "free pass" statement. It's really a double standard to oppose, say, the oil industry and then give Tesla a free pass just because you happen to support some aspect of the company. Peri << Want to know about the effects of leaf blowers ? https://quietc

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

2020-05-11 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
So many environmental considerations for both locations. The articles I've read haven't mentioned any of them. But I can think of some for Nevada: - effects on desert ecosystems - effects of solar reflectivity from developed land - effects of new traffic and road infrastructure - effects of new

Re: [EVDL] Musk throws another tantrum

2020-05-10 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I'll throw in my opinion. While Musk may be cavalier towards OSHA and other regulations, he is certainly focused on producing an amazing product and a solid financial position. No matter how disposable his workers may be, if there's a flare-up of infections and deaths - in any state - the publ

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6

2020-05-07 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
sts.evdl.org Cc: "Willie" Sent: 07-May-20 7:23:35 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6 On 5/7/20 8:54 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I hear or read that solar is too problematic because

Re: [EVDL] EV Digest, Vol 91, Issue 6

2020-05-07 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
It's really supportive to hear Tim's and Larry's testimony. So often I hear or read that solar is too problematic because we need massive solar farms, which will be expensive and have significant ecological impact. (My speculation: this comes from energy company propaganda, indicating they don'

Re: [EVDL] POTH, Renewables and Nuclear

2020-05-06 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ding, but it is also unimaginative as far as real solutions go. A op-out against seeking remedies to the extreme and selective consumerism on the part of some, which creates so much waste and the extremely unequal distribution of goods in our modern global economy. Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2

Re: [EVDL] POTH, Renewables and Nuclear

2020-05-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I haven't watched either "Planet of the Humans" nor read "Why renewables can't save the planet." Are they worth it ? In other words, do they present thought provoking ideas or are they just a rehash of what many people know ? My opinion: nothing can save the planet unless we stop increasing po

Re: [EVDL] 500kW ChaoJi(CHAdeMO-v3)> faster than 300kW ccs& 250kW Tesla-v3

2020-05-01 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
uld find a battery that can take that we would be in business On Friday, May 1, 2020, 6:54:55 PM CDT, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: This is awesome ! So, for example, you drive for 5 hours at 70 mph, using 3 miles / kWh. That’s 350 miles, or 117 kWh. To recover that at 500 kW would take 117 / 500 =

Re: [EVDL] 500kW ChaoJi(CHAdeMO-v3)> faster than 300kW ccs& 250kW Tesla-v3

2020-05-01 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
This is awesome ! So, for example, you drive for 5 hours at 70 mph, using 3 miles / kWh. That’s 350 miles, or 117 kWh. To recover that at 500 kW would take 117 / 500 = .23 hours, or 14 minutes. Nice ! Now, let me find a rich uncle. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To

Re: [EVDL] .ie Tips for driving an electric car> (?laughable or sad?)

2020-04-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I think they should write instructions on how to make toast, too. Why stop when you're so talented ? Peri -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "evln" Sent: 28-Apr-20 9:37:13 PM Subject: [EVDL] .ie Tips for driving an electric car> (?laughable or sad?)

Re: [EVDL] Communicating over "mains" (Was: Minibms?)

2020-04-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
See below. -- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart" To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 28-Apr-20 9:10:37 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Communicating over "mains" (Was: Minibms?) Peri Hartman via EV wrote: The BMS for ea

Re: [EVDL] Communicating over "mains" (Was: Minibms?)

2020-04-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Since this is a well defined system, in the sense that the composition of components is normally static, it seems reasonable to have a centrally controlled communication protocol. The BMS for each cell would normally be quiet and only send something when prompted by a central BMS component. You

Re: [EVDL] Minibms?

2020-04-28 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
To follow up a bit, I have had several email exchanges with Tim. He has an amazing product which is open source and also available on ebay. I'm still working out my requirements. It seems every time I'm "done" the next time I look at my calcs I find a problem :) Plus, there are many options on

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2025 subaru, tmc Evoltis> cyber-wackadoodle/paraquat-dream design

2020-04-27 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
My focus is on the practical side. Yet, I wonder what automotive styling will evolve to. It's hard not to notice that the large front grill isn't needed any more. What will the designers do when they realize they can do something entirely different with that space ? What about the rest of the

Re: [EVDL] (no ice= clean air) % Happy Earth Day %> Consider An EV

2020-04-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
as challenging as a tug. And the success for yard tractors has not been good. We will see how BYDs next projects do. Or are you not talking about terminal yard tractors? The terminal operators own those, not drivers. Are you talking about drayage trucks? - Mark Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iP

Re: [EVDL] (no ice= clean air) % Happy Earth Day %> Consider An EV

2020-04-25 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I don't think the technology is a problem. For example, Longbeach CA is starting an e-tractor program. There are companies like BYD making them right now. I believe the biggest hurdle is the drivers. At least here, the drivers own their tractors and aren't willing to take that big a loss to swi

Re: [EVDL] (no ice= clean air) % Happy Earth Day %> Consider An EV

2020-04-25 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
ute observation! There are at least 3 companies bidding with various ports to electrify their tugs. Even the drivers like these new vehicles - they have aircon and stereos! :) Cheers, Peter On 4/24/20 7:46 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: One thing I've noticed is that Seattle's smog has m

Re: [EVDL] (no ice= clean air) % Happy Earth Day %> Consider An EV

2020-04-24 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
One thing I've noticed is that Seattle's smog has mostly disappeared. However, over our industrial area, between the shipping terminals and the railyards, there's a very noticeable brown cloud. While admittedly this is a subjective deduction, this shows that the diesel tractors which make thous

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-20 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Justin, Right, I need a high current DC contactor (not necessarily high voltage but that may be the way they come). I was planning to hook the relay to a normally-open thermostat (one that will fail in the open state) rather than have it controlled by the arduino. If the arduino fails, I wan

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-19 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Why shouldn't I use a disconnect. Or am I using the wrong term: something like a contactor that breaks the power connection if the temp rises too much. I'm figuring I'll need two: one for the load and one for the charger power. The latter should be easy: 120VAC, 15A. With 6kW or more, if somet

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Thanks for responding. Yep. about 1 min discharge - load can vary a bit. I can use pretty much any voltage, but the lower the voltage, the higher the current and I'll need huge cables and disconnects. The higher the voltage, the more cells and cell monitors I need, plus need for higher voltage

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
0 10:59:58 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] custom battery Peri, That is 50C discharge, not impossible but also not trivial. The good old A123 cells could do this. The cylindrical cells are almost 10Wh and can discharge at metal melting speeds. I have a bunch of them here, in case you are interested. Cor. On

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
M Subject: Re: [EVDL] custom battery The other issue with Capacitors is that the voltage goes down quickly, and to get all the energy out you need to be able to make use of the widely varying voltage range. Jay On 4/16/20 11:00 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Ok, I did a little bit of research. A

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Ok, I did a little bit of research. Anyone care to double check this ? Here's one for $42 at unit quantity. 1200F, max voltage 2.7V https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/tecate-group/TPLH-2R7-1200SL60X74/2085-TPLH-2R7-1200SL60X74-ND/9930298 Energy is E = 1/2 CV^2 where E is joules. Joul

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I'm looking at supercaps. I appreciate that a few people have suggested this, though I don't know yet whether it could be done economically. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Jan Steinman via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Jan Steinman" Sent: 15-Apr-20 11:03:27 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL]

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-14 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Ok, Paul, I challenge you. You get to design my cell monitoring boards and the BMS. Then you get to put it in a closet in your house while it charges and discharges over and over. If you're living in the same house a year later, you win ! Point being, there are commercial products whose BMS ha

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-14 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
of solutions there. On Monday, April 13, 2020, 9:51:43 PM PDT, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Nominally 240. But it really can be anything and I can convert it to what I need. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Alan Arrison via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Alan A

Re: [EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-13 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
most super-capacitor territory. What voltage is needed? Designing and implementing a BMS is something even EE's have trouble with. However, if the voltage is low enough, it makes it much easier. Al On 4/14/2020 12:33 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Hi, I need a battery with about 150Wh and a

[EVDL] custom battery

2020-04-13 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Hi, I need a battery with about 150Wh and a discharge rate of 8kW for up to a minute or so. I've spent a few hours searching and there doesn't seem to be anything on the market that fits this. There are, of course, higher capacity batteries that can deliver 8kW, but that's not what I'm after.

Re: [EVDL] EV Minivan (Ohio EV tax reduction)

2020-04-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I agree, using a pickup truck for hauling around supplies and tools doesn't make sense in many cases. Exposed to the weather, theft, and higher to lift things in and out. I have a 20 year old minivan which I use for hauling. I can get 10' lumber in it and close the back. 16' is fine except on

Re: [EVDL] Ohio EV tax reduction

2020-04-03 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Hmm. 15000 miles at 12mpg. That's 1250 gallons. At nominally $3/gal, that's 3750. On gasoline cost alone, 10 years would buy you a nice EV - model 3 or Bolt, for example. Ok, I'm not being quite fair since you do have to pay for electricity. But you also would have less maintenance. You know th

Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.

2020-03-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
True, but if Tesla keeps growing (and others), they'll need to adapt or be darwined. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Peter C. Thompson via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Peter C. Thompson" Sent: 26-Mar-20 3:11:53 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke

Re: [EVDL] GM,Ford’s 5%-EV-production-plans are a bad-joke on u.s.

2020-03-26 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, I think it's actually not so bad. 5% isn't a lot, but it's a ten-fold increase over this year, and that's a big deal. Remember, the giants move slowly. I will speculate that, if Tesla keeps taking high-end market share and GM's and Ford's EV sales do well, they'll increase more. Peri -

Re: [EVDL] leaf 2011-12 or 2113

2020-03-22 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Belated response :) If you really want to save money, the 2011 is probably fine for your needs. But bear in mind the battery will be shot and, in winter, you'll probably only get about 20-30 miles range, depending on temperature and how much cabin heat you use. The 2013 has a battery heater,

Re: [EVDL] OT Possible way to get rid of COVID-19 , colds, flu...

2020-03-19 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
In support of Jerry, I found this medical reference. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4703655/ In brief: to supress fever - makes the subject more confortable, reduces metabolism (but this isn't proven to be beneficial), acute brain injury. to "let it ride" - enhances immune-cell

Re: [EVDL] OT Possible way to get rid of COVID-19 , colds, flu...

2020-03-19 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I, also, think this is good advice. However, be careful not to elevate your temperature too much or you will cause damage to your cells, particularly in the brain - starting around 104F, I think. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "jerry freedomev via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussi

Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

2020-03-18 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Who said horses are going away ? https://imgur.com/a/THSzeLu Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Mark Abramowitz via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Mark Abramowitz" Sent: 18-Mar-20 4:23:07 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] more: How Coronavirus (COVID-19) is affecting EVs ...

Re: [EVDL] DC charging damages EV packs (?fact or anti-EV-hype?)

2020-03-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
y is confidential information. Which is why SoC is optional, and not always sent to the charger. And yes, you are absolutely correct, Peri: you DON'T want to read these specs... they are a very good cure for insomnia. Cheers, Peter On 3/17/20 7:05 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: Do you know m

Re: [EVDL] DC charging damages EV packs (?fact or anti-EV-hype?)

2020-03-17 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
?fact or anti-EV-hype?) DC fast chargers use HCL defined in ISO 15118-8 Specification. Volume eight is the physical and data link layer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 16, 2020, at 11:42 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I thought the level 3 chargers took into account cell temperature and ot

Re: [EVDL] DC charging damages EV packs (?fact or anti-EV-hype?)

2020-03-16 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
I thought the level 3 chargers took into account cell temperature and other conditions. I know, for example, that my almost 10 year old Leaf battery charges at only about 10kw now. Something is communicating. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "e

[EVDL] Washington to adopt california zero-emission standards

2020-03-10 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/automakers-required-to-sell-more-electric-vehicles-under-new-legislation-in-washington-state/ Legislation passed Monday in Olympia will require automakers to make more electric or other zero-emission vehicles available for sale in Washington. ... The b

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: (leaked) 2020 Fiat 500e> (reinvented compliance EV?)

2020-03-08 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Well, if true, that's sure a turn around from a company that said they lose $2 with each 500e sold ! Peri -- Original Message -- From: "evln via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "evln" Sent: 07-Mar-20 7:05:34 PM Subject: [EVDL] EVLN: (leaked) 2020 Fiat 500e> (reinvented compliance EV

Re: [EVDL] Deaf Scooter and Palmdale Sheriff Coal Rolled. Consequences!

2020-03-05 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Sounds doubtful. I wouldn't be surprised if there was a law that would apply. But a $25K fine, vehicle crushed, license suspended sound highly exaggerated. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Lawrence Rhodes via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Lawrence Rhodes" Sent: 05-Mar-20 9:28:37 A

Re: [EVDL] Bi-stable e-brake design extends EV's range

2020-03-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
-- Original Message -- From: "Lee Hart" To: "Peri Hartman" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Sent: 04-Mar-20 9:07:41 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Bi-stable e-brake design extends EV's range From: Peri Hartman via EV Parking brakes may work t

Re: [EVDL] Bi-stable e-brake design extends EV's range

2020-03-04 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
It says, "Usually, electromagnetic brakes require a constant power supply to be held open." It seems they presume that most EV manufacturers are using some sort of electromagnetic brake, where the brake is tensioned to the closed position with a spring and held open with an electromagnet. (I gu

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: hack/crack/jailbreak EV Software Updates that remove features

2020-02-23 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Why is this so complicated ? Either the "fine print" includes the disputed features or it doesn't. And, if included, the customer should easily win a court case, right ? If Tesla made a mistake and didn't intend to legally include some features, too late. It's like you go to a physical store t

Re: [EVDL] Seattle area to have 100% electric buses by 2035

2020-02-22 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
uot;Jay Summet via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Jay Summet" Sent: 22-Feb-20 3:31:54 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Seattle area to have 100% electric buses by 2035 On 2/21/20 9:55 PM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: I think battery EV buses are going to prove more practical. The wires

Re: [EVDL] Seattle area to have 100% electric buses by 2035

2020-02-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
Seattle hasn't lost any of its electric trolleys and all the overhead wires are still there and in use. But the vast majority of the fleet is diesel. Can't speak for Vancouver. I think battery EV buses are going to prove more practical. The wires prevent route changes, buses can't pass each ot

[EVDL] Seattle area to have 100% electric buses by 2035

2020-02-21 Thread Peri Hartman via EV
https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/king-county-metro-bus-fleet-will-be-electrified-by-2035/ https://www.seattleweekly.com/news/king-county-could-bump-up-metro-electrification-deadlines/ Originally, the plan was to electrify by 2040 but a proposal (I think this has to pass in the King county coun

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