Hi Craig Weinberg
I believe that life and consciousness and intelligence are inseparable
because none can act without the others being involved.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/15/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:15:02 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
I believe that life and consciousness and intelligence are inseparable
because none can act without the others being involved.
Sense - biological quality sense (life) - animal quality sense (animal
life)
Hi Craig Weinberg
Yes, amoebas and T-cells. Anything that has life must have
intelligence and awareness, although it might be of limited extent.
Without life, it couldn't animate. Without awareness and inteligence
to understand that perception, it would not know where to go or
what to do.
Hi Stathis Papaioannou
Anything alive must have consciousness to some degree,
so consciousness always was-- at least to a limited extent.
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12/15/2012
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On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:34:48 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Craig Weinberg
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg
On Friday, December 14, 2012 12:39:59 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig Weinberg
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg
I may be between both of you.
I don´t think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent.
I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a
consequence of his belief in a more perfect ggood, bbeatiful and ttrue, and
our currently held concepts are an obstacle.
I
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:14:01 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
I may be between both of you.
I don´t think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent.
I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a
consequence of his belief in a more perfect
2012/12/14 Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:14:01 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
I may be between both of you.
I don´t think that the hate in progressives is constitutive or inherent.
I think that his hate of what is held a good beatiful and true is a
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:54:39 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
2012/12/14 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:14:01 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
I may be between both of you.
I don´t think that the hate in progressives is
On 12/14/2012 9:29 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
That´s why the progressives hate any constraint, any law any
definition that fixes things once and for all.
That's because it is their job to represent the reality that nothing
in the universe is fixed once and for all - except the
On Friday, December 14, 2012 1:21:52 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/14/2012 9:29 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
That´s why the progressives hate any constraint, any law any definition
that fixes things once and for all.
That's because it is their job to represent the
On 12/14/2012 5:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This response is the hallmark of a progressive worldview, and adhere perfectly to my
definition: Hate to the established and aim to his destruction because it is an obstacle
for something better that still don´t exist. But no matter what is it,
On 12/14/2012 1:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, December 14, 2012 1:21:52 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/14/2012 9:29 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
That愀 why the progressives hate any constraint, any law any
definition that fixes things once and for all.
On Friday, December 14, 2012 1:47:11 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/14/2012 1:37 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Friday, December 14, 2012 1:21:52 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 12/14/2012 9:29 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
That´s why the progressives hate any
On 12/14/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/14/2012 5:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This response is the hallmark of a progressive worldview, and adhere
perfectly to my definition: Hate to the established and aim to his
destruction because it is an obstacle for something better that still
On Friday, December 14, 2012 7:19:56 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Craig Weinberg
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I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. There is nothing in what
I feel that would provide me with any certainty that my
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
You have just presented an argument for why consciousness is a necessary
side-effect of intelligent behaviour. If it were not so, then there would
have been no reason for consciousness to have evolved.
On Friday, December 14, 2012 7:51:15 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:06 AM, Craig Weinberg
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It could be intentional and determined,
No, that equates free will with determinism. Intention means there is a
teleological
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:12:24 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Craig Weinberg
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You have just presented an argument for why consciousness is a
necessary
side-effect of intelligent behaviour. If it were not so,
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
Intentional means I do something because I want to do it, and if I didn't
want to do it I wouldn't have done it. This is entirely consistent with the
decision being driven by either deterministic or probabilistic
On 12/14/2012 4:19 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.com
mailto:whatsons...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. There is nothing in
what I feel
that would provide me with any
On 12/14/2012 4:37 PM, Stephen P. King wrote:
On 12/14/2012 1:46 PM, meekerdb wrote:
On 12/14/2012 5:54 AM, Alberto G. Corona wrote:
This response is the hallmark of a progressive worldview, and adhere perfectly to my
definition: Hate to the established and aim to his destruction because it is
On Friday, December 14, 2012 8:50:34 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Craig Weinberg
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wrote:
Intentional means I do something because I want to do it, and if I
didn't
want to do it I wouldn't have done it. This is entirely
Dear Craig,
You have much to learn about evolution. there have been a lot of
developments since Darwin. You adhere to a caricature that is outdated.
Almost everything can drive to totalitarianism, The idea that nothing is
innate drives to totalitarian social engineering. the idea that men are
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 6:47:19 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Dear Craig,
You have much to learn about evolution. there have been a lot of
developments since Darwin. You adhere to a caricature that is outdated.
Dear Alberto,
You make a lot of assumptions about me and what I
Hi Craig Weinberg
What drives to totalitarianism is the lust for power.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/13/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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Hi Alberto,
so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a
teleology before life, like me. I don`t find this incompatible with natural
selection
But it is. The big achievement of Darwinism (and the more complete version,
moden synthesis) was to explain the origin of
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:48:45 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
so awareness and intention are before biology, so you seem to admit a
teleology before life, like me.
Teleology and teleonomy both predate life. They are what time is made of.
I don`t find this incompatible with
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:43:03 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Craig Weinberg
What drives to totalitarianism is the lust for power.
People don't always know that they lust for power. They can also think that
they are saving the world, or helping people restore their former glory.
You said it:
in part because it (evolution) carried a sense of progress not found
in Darwin's idea
Evolution is descriptive, is the fact. natural selection is the theory that
explain it. A scientific theory impose constraints with what may and may
not happen. For example, child caring and
Hi Alberto G. Corona
It's much simpler than that, I think.
Progressives hate everything resembles anything
held to be good, beautiful, or true.
[Roger Clough], [rclo...@verizon.net]
12/13/2012
Forever is a long time, especially near the end. -Woody Allen
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On Thursday, December 13, 2012 10:43:59 AM UTC-5, rclough wrote:
Hi Alberto G. Corona
It's much simpler than that, I think.
Progressives hate everything resembles anything
held to be good, beautiful, or true.
Then your thoughts are simple-minded indeed.
Gandhi, MLK, Einstein were
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be not
much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause harm from a simple
propensity to cause harm.
Free will is an illusion only if you
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg
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wrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be not
much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg
whats...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be not
much of an advantage in discerning intention to cause harm
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be
On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Craig Weinberg whatsons...@gmail.comwrote:
On Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:32:12 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote:
On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.comwrote:
If free will were, after all, an illusion, then there would really be
not
On Wednesday, December 12, 2012 10:46:27 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Well. I have not all the time i wish for this. You keep saying that there
are othes species where... Yes. And there are atoms that are radiactive.
What are two species to do one with each other?.
All species are
On Monday, December 10, 2012 5:09:25 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Craig: The evolutionary Psychology hypothesis are
On 12/11/2012 11:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Try it this way. Let's say we are measuring the difference in how long it takes to
recognize a friend versus recognizing a stranger and we find that there is a clear
difference.
Yeah, we don't recognize the stranger.
Brent
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You received this
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 2:06:32 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 12/11/2012 11:04 AM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Try it this way. Let's say we are measuring the difference in how long it
takes to recognize a friend versus recognizing a stranger and we find that
there is a clear difference.
Yes, I sent a search link for you to know the opinions about it.
in EP this your example does not offer a clear hypothesis. But there are
others that are evident. It depends on the context. for example , woman
have more accurate facial recognition habilities, but men perceive faster
than women
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 3:46:23 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
Yes, I sent a search link for you to know the opinions about it.
in EP this your example does not offer a clear hypothesis. But there are
others that are evident. It depends on the context. for example , woman
have
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:41:04 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
You are mixing species. The human specie has his nature. The sea horse, as
fine as it is, has another. human males are more aggresive for the same
reason that sea horse females are aggressive too: the other sex does
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 5:33:26 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
2012/12/11 Craig Weinberg whats...@gmail.com javascript:
On Tuesday, December 11, 2012 4:41:04 PM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
You are mixing species. The human specie has his nature. The sea horse,
as fine as
This speed in the evaluation is a consequence of evolutionary pressures: A
teleological agent that is executing a violent plan against us is much more
dangerous than a casual accident. because the first will continue harming
us, so a fast reaction against further damage is necessary, while in the
On Friday, November 30, 2012 3:37:35 AM UTC-5, Alberto G.Corona wrote:
This speed in the evaluation is a consequence of evolutionary pressures: A
teleological agent that is executing a violent plan against us is much more
dangerous than a casual accident.
Only if there are teleological
On 11/29/2012 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The study showed that within 60 milliseconds, the right posterior
superior temporal sulcus (also known as TPJ area), located in the
back of the brain, was first activated, with different activity
depending on *whether the harm was
On Thursday, November 29, 2012 8:05:32 PM UTC-5, Stephen Paul King wrote:
On 11/29/2012 2:31 PM, Craig Weinberg wrote:
The study showed that within 60 milliseconds, the right posterior superior
temporal sulcus (also known as TPJ area), located in the back of the brain,
was first
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