Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, March 17, 2014 2:17:01 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Mar 2014, at 17:50, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > If someone said that they were agnostic about God, would I be wrong in > thinking that they do *not* assume God's presence or absence? To say that

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:58:44 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2014, at 23:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 16, 2014

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:37:39 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2014, at 14:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:40:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 15 Mar 2014, at 23:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: &

Re: Video of VCR

On Monday, March 17, 2014 12:19:23 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2014, at 19:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:05:50 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: >&g

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 6:21:18 PM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:02:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday,

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:26:46 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >&

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:26:46 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 7:21 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08:00 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> wrote: >&g

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:05:50 PM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2014, at 13:52, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 16 Mar 2014, at 05:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: >&

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:08:00 PM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> wrote: >

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:38:41 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy >> wrote:

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 11:05:45 AM UTC-4, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 6:57 PM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: >> >>>

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 10:02:04 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 17, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02:08 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 1:02:08 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On 14 March 2014 13:12, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE >> >> A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would >&g

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:40:49 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 15 Mar 2014, at 23:09, Craig Weinberg wrote: > http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh/ > > > Have a look at this quick video (or get the idea from this_) > > Since the VCR can g

Re: Video of VCR

re is an appreciation of intrinsic significance in that awareness. Craig > > Edgar > > > > On Sunday, March 16, 2014 12:17:47 AM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >&g

Re: Video of VCR

On Sunday, March 16, 2014 3:41:30 AM UTC-4, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 16 Mar 2014, at 05:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 7:00:48 PM UTC-4, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >> >> Craig, >> >> Hmmm, let me see. If I just take my

Re: Video of VCR

rovide a reason why your eye looking in the mirror doesn't have self-awareness? > > Edgar > > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> <https://31.media.tumblr.com/935c9f6ad77f94164442956d8929da19/tumblr_mncj8t2

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Saturday, March 15, 2014 8:15:01 PM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, March 15, 2014 6:08:15 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: >>> >>> >>> On

Video of VCR

http://www.jesseengland.net/index.php?/project/vide-uhhh/ Have a look at this quick video (or get the idea from this_) Since the VCR can get video feedback of itself, is there any computational r

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:50:17 AM UTC-4, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Friday, March 14, 2014 2:12:15 AM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE >> >> A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I w

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Friday, March 14, 2014 6:23:13 PM UTC-4, Liz R wrote: > > I'm not sure I'm convinced by the video. Why can't the brain think it's > "about something" ? > Because it doesn't need to. A coffee filter has an effect of coffee, but that doesn't mean that the filter intends to 'make coffee' or is

Re: Quick video about materialism

On Friday, March 14, 2014 5:11:56 AM UTC-4, Kim Jones wrote: > > > On 14 Mar 2014, at 1:12 pm, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > Information must be made evident through sensory participation, or it is > nothing at all. > > > Craig, you have just explained to me th

Quick video about materialism

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH2QXQu-HGE A brief, handy rebuttal to materialistic views of consciousness. I would go further, and say that information, even though it is immaterial in its conception, is still derived from the principles of object interaction. Even when forms and functions are

Re: truth of experience

On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 12:10:31 PM UTC-4, Terren Suydam wrote: > > > Hi Bruno, > > Sure, "consciousness here-and-now" is undoubtable. But the p refers to the > contents of consciousness, which is not undoubtable in many cases. "I am in > pain" cannot be doubted when one is feeling it, but o

Re: Vehiculus automobilius

On Monday, March 10, 2014 5:48:42 AM UTC-4, stathisp wrote: > > > > > On 7 March 2014 15:46, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> If the doctor became more ambitious, and decided to replace a species >> with a simulation, we have a ready example of what it might be

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On Friday, March 7, 2014 5:02:51 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 8 March 2014 10:29, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:52:33 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >>> On 8 March 2014 01:21, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:52:33 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 8 March 2014 01:21, Edgar L. Owen >wrote: > >> All, >> >> An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no >> universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers. >> >> Why? Because we cann

Re: Why an empty space within which events occur does NOT exist.

On Friday, March 7, 2014 7:21:15 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > All, > > An empty space within which events occur does not exist. There is no > universal fixed pre-existing empty space common to all events and observers. > I agree. > > Why? Because we cannot establish its existence by an

Re: Vehiculus automobilius

On Friday, March 7, 2014 7:14:15 AM UTC-5, telmo_menezes wrote: > > Hi Craig, > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 5:46 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> If the doctor became more ambitious, and decided to replace a species >> with a simulation, we have a

Re: Vehiculus automobilius

On Friday, March 7, 2014 3:06:54 AM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: > > > > > > *From:* everyth...@googlegroups.com [mailto: > everyth...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Craig Weinberg > *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 8:46 PM > *To:* everyth...@googlegroups.

Vehiculus automobilius

If the doctor became more ambitious, and decided to replace a species with a simulation, we have a ready example of what it might be like. Cars have replaced the functionality of horses in human society. They reproduce in a different, more centralized way, but otherwise they move around like ho

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 2:20:01 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 04 Mar 2014, at 19:14, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 1:05:57 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > Edgar, > > In this list we are open minded and basically agnostic, we don't a priori > assume god, matter, universe, numbers, or whatever, and then try theories > by making clear the assumptions. > > The a priori assumption i

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 3:27:58 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 03 Mar 2014, at 21:17, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:16:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Monday, March 3, 2014 1:16:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:42, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> &

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 6:47:51 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 3 March 2014 12:21, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:34:50 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >>> On 3 March 2014 07:53, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >>>> >>>

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 5:34:50 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 3 March 2014 07:53, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> >> Sometimes you have to set logic aside to come to your senses. >> > > Why do I get a McCoy - Spock vibe here? > > "Fascinati

Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote: > > > >> So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it > is? If its > >> exhaustion, maybe up a couple of

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:54:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:10, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:46:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:08, Craig Weinberg wr

Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:34:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > > ptruth > Bpbeliefs > Bp & pknowledge > Bp & <>p observations > Bp & <>p & p sensations > I would invert this of course. We do not know that the universe begins with 'truth'. Truth is a belief about wha

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:50:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:24, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:46:07 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 Mar 2014, at 12:08, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014 3:12:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > On 01 Mar 2014, at 02:36, Craig Weinbe

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:56:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > Excuse my ignorance, but what is this "functionalism" that is supposedly > disproved by AHS? > > Functionalism, as I see it, is the philosophy that consciousness is purely a byproduct of specific functions, either physical or mathema

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:48:42 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:31:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 28,

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 7:42:13 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Saturday, March 1, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:45 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> On 28 February 2014 15:22, Craig Wein

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 8:00:54 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Bruno, > > This is incorrect. We know truth by its consistency across scope. > How do we know "consistency" though? Isn't the ability to detect and interpret consistency (through sense and sense-making) more primitive than

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Friday, February 28, 2014 3:31:25 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> On 28 Februar

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:57:45 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 28 February 2014 15:22, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >>> On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: >>> >

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:52:12 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Feb 2014, at 03:22, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >>

Re: Is information physical?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:18:29 PM UTC-5, Russell Standish wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 10:51:00AM -0500, spudb...@aol.com > wrote: > > > > Ok, Thanks. We're back to the Observer again, where all things are > decided at the quantum. From here on the questions tumble forth as a > c

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:46:44 AM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 1 March 2014 19:04, meekerdb > wrote: > >> On 2/28/2014 9:22 PM, LizR wrote: >> >> Nevertheless, it does seem to be. That is, 17 is a prime number >> regardless of whether anyone knows it is, or even knows what numbers are, >>

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Saturday, March 1, 2014 3:12:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 01 Mar 2014, at 02:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >> >> "If it's all math, then where does math come from?&q

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 10:27:46 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 1 March 2014 14:36, Craig Weinberg >wrote: > >> On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>> >>> "If it's all math, then where does math come from?" >>

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:48:48 PM UTC-5, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Sat, Mar 1, 2014 at 2:36 AM, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: >>>

Re: Is information physical?

in terms of their H-Math. The R is not physics or computation, it is aesthetic participation. R-Math is a silhouette of that which we mistake for the essence. Math is not the essence of consciousness or presence, it is the essence of distance and absence. Craig > > Edgar &

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:32:48 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > "If it's all math, then where does math come from?" > > Strange to say, elementary maths just appears to be a fact. That is, it is > a fact that 1+1=2. > > These shapes appear to be letters and words also, but they aren't. All it t

Re: Is information physical?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 5:04:29 PM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > John, > > I agree that the substrate that information manifests in is NOT physical, > it is abstract in the sense of no physicality. But the information that > constitutes the universe is REAL, so the substrate it exists wi

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:30:22 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 28 February 2014 12:36, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> Identity isn't self contained in MSR. All identity is leased within some >> perspective. The more common the perspective, the longer th

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:29:52 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 27 February 2014 16:43, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig We

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

t; On Friday, February 28, 2014 9:29:14 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:46:47 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >>> Chris, >>> >>> For a computational universe to even exist it must be consistently

Re: If it's all math, then where does math come from?

On Friday, February 28, 2014 8:46:47 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > Chris, > > For a computational universe to even exist it must be consistently > logico-mathematical. If it weren't the inconsistencies would cause it to > tear itself apart and thus it couldn't exist. > Unless consistency

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 7:54:53 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > On 28 February 2014 01:05, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > >> > >> On 26 February 2014 23:58, Cr

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 8:03:15 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > On 28 February 2014 03:02, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a >> breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 12:52:41 PM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Feb 2014, at 23:30, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > 0 doesn't = 0 in my theory. > > Identity isn't self contained in MSR. All identity is leased within some perspective. The more common

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:38:05 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 24 Feb 2014, at 17:31, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >> On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> H

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 9:47:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 27 February 2014 14:02, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > In other words, why, in a functionalist/materialist world would we need a >> breakable program to keep telling us that our hand is not Alien? Whe

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Thursday, February 27, 2014 4:13:22 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > On 26 February 2014 23:58, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > >> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe > >> cases involving anterior corpus callosal les

Re: Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 11:17:31 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 26 February 2014 12:58, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe >>> cases involving anterior corpus callosal le

Alien Hand/Limb Syndrome

> "The alien hand syndrome, as originally defined, was used to describe > cases involving anterior corpus callosal lesions producing involuntary > movement and a concomitant inability to distinguish the affected hand from > an examiner's hand when these were placed in the patient's unaffected

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:32:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 16:31, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinber

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 3:11:47 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2014-02-24 20:24 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg > >: > >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: >>> >>> >>> >

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 2:06:24 PM UTC-5, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > > > > 2014-02-24 20:02 GMT+01:00 Craig Weinberg > >: > >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 24 February 2014 17:3

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

ne of your block universe > incarnations from the early Middle Ages? > Geocentric astronomy was the ordinary thinking for most of human history, was it not? If it weren't for some counter-intuitive theories, it still would be the norm. Craig > > Edgar > > > &g

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 1:10:03 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 17:38, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > No, that's the point of the analogy, so you can see for yourself why the >> question is not reasonable. The question posed over and over

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:16:26 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct >>> entailment of your theory that no part of the brain co

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 12:16:26 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 16:59, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> You seem to be answering a different question. I thought it was a direct >>> entailment of your theory that no part of the brain co

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:03:30 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 23 Feb 2014, at 15:55, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > This might be a more concise way of making my argument: > > It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the > method,

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 11:43:28 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 16:01, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 24 February 2014 13:56, Cra

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

yes - like Heliocentric astronomy, general relativity, etc. Craig > > Edgar > > > > On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:08:52 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:09:35 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: >>> >>> Crai

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:13:26 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 02:43, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > How do you turn your desire to move your hand into the neurological >> changes which move them? The neurological change is the expression of w

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:21:15 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 13:56, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > Sure, but there is a difference between restoring damaged parts of a >> living person's brain and putting parts synthetic brain parts and

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

tion and unconsciousness. Forms and functions are like cliches or masks for the underlying sense experience. Craig > Edgar > > On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:43:08 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:13:15 PM UTC-5, Edgar L

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

kes it sound friendly and natural, when I suspect that is neither. Craig > > Edgar > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:55:27 AM UTC-5, Craig Weinberg wrote: >> >> This might be a more concise way of making my argument: >> >> It is my claim that CTM has ov

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Monday, February 24, 2014 8:17:02 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 24 February 2014 03:38, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinber

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:59:44 PM UTC-5, Liz R wrote: > > This seems vaguely akin to the discovery that most of the mass-energy of a > proton is the binding energy holding it together. If we found that the mass > of the quarks was also in fact binding energy we might end up with > someth

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:22:36 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 23 February 2014 19:55, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 23 February 2014 14:55, Craig Weinbe

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 11:50:57 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Feb 2014, at 18:36, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:27:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:25, Craig Weinberg wrote

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:51:21 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 23 February 2014 19:04, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> After all, the standard objection to starting from the putative >>> universality of consciousness is why does it appe

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

religious fanatics, but the accusation that there are such beliefs out there is very popular. I'm talking about physics and ontology, it has nothing to do with biology or Homo sapiens. Craig > > Edgar > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:39:45 PM UTC-5, Craig Weinb

Re: All mass and energy are just various forms of relative motion

Can there be any motion or relation without an experience in which a sense of motion or relation is literally encountered? On Sunday, February 23, 2014 9:37:46 AM UTC-5, Edgar L. Owen wrote: > > All, > > Here's one more theory from my book on Reality: > > All forms of mass and energy are just di

Re: CTM Attack and Redemption

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:35:33 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 23 February 2014 14:55, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> This might be a more concise way of making my argument: >> >> It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to descr

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 10:48:57 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 23 February 2014 00:18, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > The body's recognition of foreign protein markers is a lower level >> manifestation of the mismatch of higher level zoological history.

CTM Attack and Redemption

This might be a more concise way of making my argument: It is my claim that CTM has overlooked the necessity to describe the method, mechanism, or arithmetic principle by which computations are encountered. My hypothesis, drawn from both direct human experience as well as experience with techn

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

On Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:53:00 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:05:47 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 201

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 8:49:33 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 23 February 2014 00:27, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > > >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2014 4:06:39 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 22 February 2014 15:09, Craig

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 4:06:39 PM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 22 February 2014 15:09, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2014 9:34:08 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: >> >>> On 22 February 2014 14:25, Crai

Re: Better Than the Chinese Room

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 2:05:47 PM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: > > > > On Saturday, February 22, 2014, Craig Weinberg > > > wrote: > >> >> >> On Saturday, February 22, 2014 12:29:04 AM UTC-5, stathisp wrote: >>> >>> On 20 Feb

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 11:27:45 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 22 Feb 2014, at 15:25, Craig Weinberg wrote: > > > If you say yes to the doctor, you are saying that originality is an > > illusion > > > Not at all. Your 1p-originality is

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

On Saturday, February 22, 2014 9:34:08 AM UTC-5, David Nyman wrote: > > On 22 February 2014 14:25, Craig Weinberg > > wrote: > > If you say yes to the doctor, you are saying that originality is an >> illusion >> > > Not an illusion, an invariant. > If it

Re: Turning the tables on the doctor

If you say yes to the doctor, you are saying that originality is an illusion and simulation is absolute. Arithmetic can do so many things, but it can't do something that can only be done once. Think of consciousness as not only that which can't be done more than once, it is that which cannot ev

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