Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 10:35:39 AM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 16:16, Tomas Pales > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 21:33, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:35:39 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > > Because finite numbers can be shown to have infinite hallucinations, > especially when they mess with other finite numbers. And that leads to a > testable theology, which includes an explanation of where both quanta

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 5:54:10 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 7:54 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:17:58 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 4:44:49 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:17, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 29 Oct 2018, at 01:18, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > There is no logical inconsistency in a flying pink elephant existing right > now in my den beside me. But don't see one. > > First, it is not clear whether the

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 29 Oct 2018, at 00:33, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 3:27 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> So what? The point I am making is that some mathematical objects

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 20:07, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:23:28 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:36, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:17:09 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:17, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 17:14, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:02 PM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > You have not read after step 3, > > True, So please does not attribute me propositions which I have never defended anywhere. > and I do not indent to

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 16:16, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> On 26 Oct 2018, at 21:33, Tomas Pales > >> wrote: >> >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> OK. But it seemed

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 16:10, John Clark wrote: > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM Bruno Marchal > wrote: > > > Assuming there is a physical reality [...] > > Assume there is NOT a physical reality and tell me how things would be > different. If mechanism is

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:06:42 AM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. >> >> (Nietzsche is said to be

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:48:57 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. > > (Nietzsche is said to be the father of perspectivism. I say, actually, > Kant. ...) > > A Scientist sees a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 7:54 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:17:58 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote:   There is no logical inconsistency in a flying pink

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 3:17:58 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: >> >> >> There is no logical inconsistency in a flying pink elephant existing >> right now in my den beside

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 1:45 PM Tomas Pales wrote: > *How close do atoms or subatomic particles come to each other when they > collide in particle accelerators? Is the distance between them far from > Planck scale at the moment of collision?* > Nowhere near close enough. The radius of a atom is

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 5:23 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:38:02 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: On 10/28/2018 4:50 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 5:18 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote:   There is no logical inconsistency in a flying pink elephant existing right now in my den beside me. But don't see one. First, it is not clear whether the existence of a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 4:54 PM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 11:38:02 PM UTC, Brent wrote: On 10/28/2018 4:50 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 10:45 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 5:35:58 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:18 PM Tomas Pales > wrote: /> Ok, and if it becomes as strong as the other forces below the distance of 1 mm (as you wrote that

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 9:17 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: Instead of relativism, philosophers talk of *perspectivism*. (Nietzsche is said to be the father of perspectivism. I say, actually, Kant. ...) A Scientist sees a bunch of phenomena (recorded as data) and says, I have written a theory θ in a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 9:04 AM, John Clark wrote: On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:44 AM Tomas Pales > wrote: > /Why is it too hard to measure gravity for distances less than 1 mm?/ Because gravity is 10^36 times weaker than electromagnetism This is because the

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:38:02 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 4:50 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 12:33:23 AM UTC+1, Brent wrote: > > > There is no logical inconsistency in a flying pink elephant existing > right now in my den beside me. But don't see one. > First, it is not clear whether the existence of a flying pink elephant in your den is consistent

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 11:38:02 PM UTC, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/28/2018 4:50 AM, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 4:50 AM, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *So what? The point I am making is that some mathematical objects

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/28/2018 3:27 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: *So what? The point I am making is that some mathematical objects exist but are not instantiated in physical reality, thus falsifying his hypothesis, unless

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:24:22 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:00:55 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:40:03 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >>> >>> As I said, a consistently defined object is something

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 8:00:55 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:40:03 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > >> >> As I said, a consistently defined object is something rather than >> nothing, so it is there in some sense. >> > > > *You mean like a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:23:28 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:36, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:17:09 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:19:01 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:40:03 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:34:09 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> >> *This definition of existence is self serving, and IMO theoretically and >> philosophically extraneous. There is no reason to assume

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:55:30 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM > wrote: > > >> > *the Eastern mystics could very well be right that the external world >> is illusory.* > > > Mystics love to say stuff like that because they think it sounds deep, but > I

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:02:27 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Oct 2018, at 17:41, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:20:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:40 PM wrote: >> >> *> the concept of a plane wave, one of

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 5:35:58 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:18 PM Tomas Pales > wrote: > > *> Ok, and if it becomes as strong as the other forces below the distance >> of 1 mm (as you wrote that string theory with the curled extra dimensions >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:18 PM Tomas Pales wrote: *> Ok, and if it becomes as strong as the other forces below the distance > of 1 mm (as you wrote that string theory with the curled extra dimensions > suggests) why has it not been detected below the distance of 1 mm?* > Nobody knows how

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 5:05:14 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: > > > > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:44 AM Tomas Pales > wrote: > > > *Why is it too hard to measure gravity for distances less than 1 mm?* >> > > Because gravity is 10^36 times weaker than electromagnetism and you'd need > to

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:56 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift > > wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 12:02 PM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *You have not read after step 3, * > True, and I do not indent to do so until you fix the very silly blunder you made in step 3 which I am now quite certain you never will. I am also quite certain you will respond to this with "what

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 01:40, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:46:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 10/27/2018 1:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:44 AM Tomas Pales wrote: > *Why is it too hard to measure gravity for distances less than 1 mm?* > Because gravity is 10^36 times weaker than electromagnetism and you'd need to measure the gravitational force between spheres less than 1 mm in radius and that force is

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 01:18, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:41 AM > wrote: > > > A spherical wave asymptotically approaches a plane wave as it progresses in > > space and time, but it never becomes a plane wave. This where the rubber > > hits

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 00:27, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:07:26 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:36 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 28 Oct 2018, at 00:16, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:58:33 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:35:20 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 23:38, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > As I understand the MUH, it states that every well defined

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:55:30 PM UTC+1, John Clark wrote: > > We know experimentally that the inverse square law is true for distances > greater than 1 mm but at distances less than that it's too hard to measure > gravity to know what's going on. > Why is it too hard to measure

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 23:16, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > On 10/27/2018 3:15 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:55:57 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: >> >> Logical consistency is a relation between

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:59, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> Logical consistency is a relation

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 22:36, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:17:09 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:19:01 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com <> > wrote: > > "Consistently defined" means what? Plane waves are easily

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:45:45 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:40:03 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:34:09 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> >>> *This definition of existence is self

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:16 PM UTC+1, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 26 Oct 2018, at 21:33, Tomas Pales > > wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make unnecessary >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 20:56, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:35:14 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 4:29:08 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:41:22 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com <>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 11:02 AM Bruno Marchal wrote: > *Assuming there is a physical reality* [...] Assume there is *NOT* a physical reality and tell me how things would be different. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 17:41, agrayson2...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:20:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:40 PM > wrote: > > > the concept of a plane wave, one of the solutions of Maxwell's equations. > > It certainly doesn't exist in

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM wrote: > > *the Eastern mystics could very well be right that the external world > is illusory.* Mystics love to say stuff like that because they think it sounds deep, but I don't think it is because they never explain how the illusion works, they don't even

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 27 Oct 2018, at 02:55, Brent Meeker wrote: > > > > On 10/26/2018 1:03 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> OK. But it seemed to me

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 2:40:03 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:34:09 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> >> *This definition of existence is self serving, and IMO theoretically and >> philosophically extraneous. There is no reason to assume

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:49:30 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:58:27 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >>> >>> But if the running code of a robot (say installed in

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 26 Oct 2018, at 23:59, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 3:14:05 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 10:03:07 PM UTC+2, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 2:33:13 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > On

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:34:09 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *This definition of existence is self serving, and IMO theoretically and > philosophically extraneous. There is no reason to assume something exists > simply because it's consistent with anything, even the laws of

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

> On 26 Oct 2018, at 21:33, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 8:06:03 PM UTC+2, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > OK. But it seemed to me you said that is better not to make unnecessary > assumption. > > My only ontological assumption is that existence is logical

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:22:46 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:58:27 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: > >> >> But if the running code of a robot (say installed in Sophia [ >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(robot) ] ) is compiled from some >>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:18:45 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:50:04 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:58:27 PM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: > > But if the running code of a robot (say installed in Sophia [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophia_(robot) ] ) is compiled from some > paraconsistent logic program, I think it's perfectly fine to say *"Sophia > is a

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:50:04 PM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> *So what? The point I am making is that

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:19:08 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:41 AM > > wrote: > > >> *> A spherical wave asymptotically approaches a plane wave as it >> progresses in space and time, but it never becomes a plane wave. This where >> the rubber hits the

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 5:38:27 AM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:23:25 AM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 7:57:48 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:49:48 AM UTC+2,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 10:27:07 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> *So what? The point I am making is that some mathematical objects exist >> but are not instantiated in physical reality, thus

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 7:23:25 AM UTC+1, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 7:57:48 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:49:48 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: >>> >>> >>> Which high-lights the category error. Objects can't be

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 3:37:05 AM UTC+1, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > *So what? The point I am making is that some mathematical objects exist > but are not instantiated in physical reality, thus falsifying his > hypothesis, unless you insist that they are instantiated in other >

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 7:57:48 PM UTC-5, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:49:48 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: >> >> >> Which high-lights the category error. Objects can't be inconsistent...so >> they can't be consistent either. Only their description can be

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:02:04 AM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:03:33 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:46:31 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:27:46 AM

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 1:03:33 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:46:31 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:27:46 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> *There are no rectangles in this or any

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:49:48 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > Which high-lights the category error. Objects can't be inconsistent...so > they can't be consistent either. Only their description can be consistent > or inconsistent. > Now you're just playing with words. As I said,

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:46:26 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/27/2018 1:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> Logical consistency is a relation between

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sat, Oct 27, 2018 at 11:41 AM wrote: *> A spherical wave asymptotically approaches a plane wave as it progresses > in space and time, but it never becomes a plane wave. This where the rubber > hits the road for the MUH; we have a mathematical construct that doesn't > exist in physical

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:46:31 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:27:46 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> *There are no rectangles in this or any universe.* >> > > What is the shape of your screen then? > *Read some Plato. A triangle is

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/27/2018 2:16 PM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: On 10/27/2018 3:15 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:55:57 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: Logical consistency is a relation between sentences. 

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:27:46 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *There are no rectangles in this or any universe.* > What is the shape of your screen then? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/27/2018 1:21 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Logical consistency is a relation between sentences.  It's not about existence.  The sentences might be about the

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Sunday, October 28, 2018 at 12:16:43 AM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:58:33 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:35:20 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:07:26 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:36 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:58:33 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:35:20 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:38:36 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> *As I understand the MUH, it

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 11:35:20 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> *As I understand the MUH, it

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> >> >> *As I understand the MUH, it states that every well defined mathematical >> form or function is reified, or instantiated, or

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:10:50 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> >> >> *As I understand the MUH, it states that every well defined mathematical >> form or function is reified, or instantiated, or

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:49:35 PM UTC+2, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/27/2018 3:15 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:55:57 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: >> >> >> Logical consistency is a relation between sentences. It's not about >> existence. The sentences

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 10:36:30 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > *As I understand the MUH, it states that every well defined mathematical > form or function is reified, or instantiated, or manifested concretely in > the physical universe* > Surely not in every physical

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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-5, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> Logical consistency is a relation between sentences. It's not about >>> existence. The

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/27/2018 3:15 AM, Tomas Pales wrote: On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:55:57 AM UTC+2, Brent wrote: Logical consistency is a relation between sentences.  It's not about existence.  The sentences might be about the existence of something, but that's different.  Or the

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:17:09 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:19:01 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: > >> >> *"Consistently defined" means what? Plane waves are easily defined, say >> as the limiting case of a spherical wave as it advances

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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 2:52:51 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > > On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > Logical consistency is a relation between sentences. It's not about >> existence. The sentences might be about the existence of something, but >> that's different. Or the

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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 9:19:01 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *"Consistently defined" means what? Plane waves are easily defined, say as > the limiting case of a spherical wave as it advances in space and time; OR > as solutions to ME's. So here we have a well defined

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On 10/26/2018 11:50 PM, Philip Thrift wrote: Logical consistency is a relation between sentences.  It's not about existence.  The sentences might be about the existence of something, but that's different.  Or the sentences may have variables quantified by existential

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 6:54:13 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:35:14 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> *In THIS universe, to the best of our understanding and belief, >> instantaneous action at a distance does NOT exist. Yet in THIS

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On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 1:35:14 PM UTC-5, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 4:29:08 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:41:22 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, October 27, 2018

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 8:35:14 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > *In THIS universe, to the best of our understanding and belief, > instantaneous action at a distance does NOT exist. Yet in THIS universe, > plane wave solutions to Maxwell's equations DO exist. So in THIS

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 4:29:08 PM UTC, Tomas Pales wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:41:22 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:20:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:40 PM wrote: >>> >>> *>

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 5:41:22 PM UTC+2, agrays...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:20:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: >> >> On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:40 PM wrote: >> >> *> the concept of a plane wave, one of the solutions of Maxwell's >>> equations. It

Re: Mathematical Universe Hypothesis

On Saturday, October 27, 2018 at 3:20:23 PM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 5:40 PM > wrote: > > *> the concept of a plane wave, one of the solutions of Maxwell's >> equations. It certainly doesn't exist in THIS universe* > > > I agree with the general point you're trying to

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