Re: The All

2012-09-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 11.09.2012 22:09 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/11/2012 2:40 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 09.09.2012 19:45 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Dear Evgenii, You are asking me

Re: The All

2012-09-11 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/11/2012 2:40 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 09.09.2012 19:45 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Dear Evgenii, You are asking me to explain to you in English the way the relevant part o

Re: The All

2012-09-11 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 09.09.2012 19:45 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Dear Evgenii, You are asking me to explain to you in English the way the relevant part of your brain generates the particular subject

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-10 Thread Roger Clough
he following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-09, 13:45:50 Subject: Re: The All On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Step

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-10 Thread Roger Clough
is that the nonphysical part is simply universal intelligence, Platonia, the All, the Supremem monad. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/10/2012 Leibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following

Re: The All

2012-09-09 Thread Craig Weinberg
On Saturday, September 8, 2012 9:12:38 AM UTC-4, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > > On 08.09.2012 14:37 Stephen P. King said the following: > > On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >> On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: > >>> On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > >>

Re: The All

2012-09-09 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/9/2012 12:27 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, I will try to explain. An idea is an "abstract image", IMHO. For example, c

Re: The All

2012-09-09 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 23:19 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, I will try to explain. An idea is an "abstract image", IMHO. For example, consider all possible objects that have some t

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/8/2012 2:12 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 11:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 15:27 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say that the image in the mirror is

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 19:32 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 11:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 15:27 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say that the image in the mirror is a visual illusion created presumably by the

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/8/2012 11:34 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 15:27 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say that the image in the mirror is a visual illusion created presumably by the brain. Don't you agree? Then it is exactly a relationship

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 18:10 meekerdb said the following: On 9/8/2012 12:38 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.09.2012 20:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/7/2012 1:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... This could work provided we could separate the world into mental and physical states. The question rem

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread meekerdb
On 9/8/2012 12:38 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.09.2012 20:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/7/2012 1:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if rea

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 15:27 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: ... I would say that the image in the mirror is a visual illusion created presumably by the brain. Don't you agree? Then it is exactly a relationship between mental and physical states but not i

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/8/2012 9:12 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 14:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have writt

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 14:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have written behind instead of in the mirror just to b

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
ve to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 04:25:49 Subject: Re: The All On 07 Sep 2012, at 13:53, Roger Clough wrote: "A too much powerful God leads to inconsist

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/8/2012 6:51 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have written behind instead of in the mirror just to better describe my experience). How could you describe thi

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Evgenii Rudnyi Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-08, 06:51:21 Subject: Re: The All On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: > On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Roger Clough
that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Stephen P. King Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-07, 16:22:41 Subject: Re: The All On 9/7/2012 2:03 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: > On 07.09.2012 13:43 Stephen P. King said the following: >> On 9/7

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 08.09.2012 12:37 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: Say I see my image behind the mirror (I have written behind instead of in the mirror just to better describe my experience). How could you describe this phenomenon by means of res cogitans and re

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/8/2012 3:50 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.09.2012 22:22 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, Consider the mental image that a person suffering from anorexia has of themselves. It is distorted and false. How does this happen? Consider the Placebo effect and its complement

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Bruno Marchal
t; - Receiving the following content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-06, 15:03:44 Subject: Re: The All On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What i

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.09.2012 22:22 Stephen P. King said the following: ... Hi Evgenii, Consider the mental image that a person suffering from anorexia has of themselves. It is distorted and false. How does this happen? Consider the Placebo effect and its complement, the Nocebo effect. Are they not examples o

Re: The All

2012-09-08 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.09.2012 20:30 meekerdb said the following: On 9/7/2012 1:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic?

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Jason Resch
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 8:12 AM, Roger Clough wrote: > Hi Bruno Marchal > > IMHO computers cannot think, although they can appear to think. > If they could think, they should be able to > > > > b) construct a language that only another computer can understand. > > > In a sense, this is what happe

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/7/2012 2:03 PM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 07.09.2012 13:43 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/7/2012 4:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread meekerdb
On 9/7/2012 1:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 07.09.2012 13:43 Stephen P. King said the following: On 9/7/2012 4:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Roger Clough
content - From: meekerdb Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-06, 15:03:44 Subject: Re: The All On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is somet

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/7/2012 4:11 AM, Evgenii Rudnyi wrote: On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This

Re: The All

2012-09-07 Thread Evgenii Rudnyi
On 06.09.2012 21:03 meekerdb said the following: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This is a confusion of levels. Logic is rules ab

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 06 Sep 2012, at 21:03, meekerdb wrote: On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This is a confusion of levels. Logic is rules about

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread Stephen P. King
On 9/5/2012 12:14 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote: Hi Roger, On 05 Sep 2012, at 17:23, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal No, the supreme Monad can see everything even though the monads have no windows. Also the "closeness to God" issue depends on your clarity of vision and feeling. And perhaps appe

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread meekerdb
On 9/6/2012 11:52 AM, Brian Tenneson wrote: A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? This is a confusion of levels. Logic is rules about truth preservation in declarative senten

Re: The All

2012-09-06 Thread Brian Tenneson
> > > A too much powerful God leads to inconsistency. > > > What if reality does not always obey the laws of logic? What if reality is sometimes inconsistent? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To post to this group, send email

Re: The All

2012-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
e to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-05, 09:25:11 Subject: Re: The All On 04 Sep 2012, at 16:42, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal According to Leibniz there is only one

Re: Re: The All

2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
ibniz would say, "If there's no God, we'd have to invent him so that everything could function." - Receiving the following content - From: Bruno Marchal Receiver: everything-list Time: 2012-09-05, 09:25:11 Subject: Re: The All On 04 Sep 2012, at 16:42, Rog

Re: The All

2012-09-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
On 04 Sep 2012, at 16:42, Roger Clough wrote: Hi Bruno Marchal According to Leibniz there is only one live perceiver, and that he calls the Supreme Monad. Actually, not the monad itself, but what sees through the monad.Then when we see individually we must see through that one eye. I believe i

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2012-09-05 Thread Roger Clough
t; - Receiving the following content - From: Roger Clough Receiver: Richard Ruquist Time: 2012-09-05, 07:21:20 Subject: Re: Fwd: The All Hi Richard Ruquist I'm too busy to do your homework right now, Richard. Roger Clough, rclo...@verizon.net 9/5/2012 Leibniz would say, "I

The All

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal According to Leibniz there is only one live perceiver, and that he calls the Supreme Monad. Actually, not the monad itself, but what sees through the monad.Then when we see individually we all must be seeing through that one eye. I believe it's Plato's All, or in my terms, Jehov

The All

2012-09-04 Thread Roger Clough
Hi Bruno Marchal According to Leibniz there is only one live perceiver, and that he calls the Supreme Monad. Actually, not the monad itself, but what sees through the monad.Then when we see individually we must see through that one eye. I believe it's Plato's All, or in my terms, Jehovah. Indian

Re: Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute

2007-03-02 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 3/2/07, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What I say is if we really want to 'shape up' and survive, then > > compassion, democracy, ethics and scientific method are four essential > > ingredients without which our modern world will go the way of all those > > other civilisations your m

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2007-03-01 Thread Brent Meeker
Mark Peaty wrote: > No Brent, what I AM saying is that they are GONE! Well and truly > gorrnn! But they lasted a lot longer than we have. > > We could get side tracked into all sorts of discussions about how each > of the civilisations you named, waxed and waned more than once in

Re: Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute

2007-03-01 Thread Mark Peaty
No Brent, what I AM saying is that they are GONE! Well and truly gorrnn! We could get side tracked into all sorts of discussions about how each of the civilisations you named, waxed and waned more than once in the face of environmental changes and the inherent instability of feudal

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2007-02-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Are you saying I just dreamed that Sumer, Ur, Egypt, Babylon, Rome, Sparta, Cathay, and the Indus Valley where civilization first developed and lasted for thousands of years (much longer than the U.S. which is the oldest existing democracy) were not democratic and pre-dated the scientific metho

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2007-02-28 Thread Brent Meeker
Torgny Tholerus wrote: > Mark Peaty skrev: >> However, we must call a spade a spade; all this guff that gets called >> 'theology' and 'spirituality' is ultimately a bunch of assertions that >> can neither be proved nor disproved in any concrete sense because they >> are all expressions of belie

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2007-02-28 Thread Mark Peaty
Well [EMAIL PROTECTED] your response has been even more disappointing than even my very low expectation prepared me for. You have not even recognised what my questions were about, let alone made any significant attempt to address them. As an ex-Christian I know what it is like to be sucked int

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2007-02-28 Thread Mark Peaty
OK, tell me where all those civilisations of the past have gone to, because THEY did NOT survived. Tell me what makes YOU so sure this current global civilisation can survive. I am more than happy to be shown where I am wrong, but if you TRULY disagree with what I am saying, I would like you to

Re: Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute

2007-02-28 Thread Mark Peaty
Dream on Brent ... Regards Mark Peaty CDES [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.arach.net.au/~mpeaty/ Brent Meeker wrote: > Klortho wrote: > >>> The other thing I do is check to what extent a person's speech and >>> writings support and affirm the four fundamental ingredients of >>> civilisation:

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2007-02-27 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
[EMAIL PROTECTED], I rarely pass up an opportunity for religious debate, but I am honestly overwhelmed by your recent posts. I hope you have not done all this work just to be relegated to the list archive. How did you find us, anyway? Stathis Papaioannou --~--~-~--~~~-

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2007-02-26 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
ote: > > > Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in > > > accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined > > > by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute evidences > > > of Destiny, it may be suffic

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2007-02-26 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Jesus said: "I and the Father are one" (Jn.10:30), therefore, is not > Jesus the same, or, "co-equal" in status with his Father? > Answer No.1 > In Greek, `heis' means `one' numerically (masc.) > `hen' means `one' in unity or essence (neut.) > Here the word used by John

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2007-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
How can we argue for God's existence and unity in a way everyone can understand? In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate. So God sets forth parables for men in order that they may bear (them) in mind and take lessons (through them). (14:25) Such parables do we set forth for men so th

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2007-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is 'holding forth' and purporting to describe my world for me. > > The other thing I do is check to what extent a person's speech and > writings support and affirm the four fundamental ingredients of > civilisation: > Compassion, democracy, ethics and scientific method

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2007-02-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Feb 25, 2:06 am, Brent Meeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in > > accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined > > by God, the All-Mighty. While t

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2007-02-26 Thread Brent Meeker
Klortho wrote: > >> The other thing I do is check to what extent a person's speech and >> writings support and affirm the four fundamental ingredients of >> civilisation: >> Compassion, democracy, ethics and scientific method. No civilisation can >> survive without all four of these. >> > > Talk

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2007-02-26 Thread Klortho
> The other thing I do is check to what extent a person's speech and > writings support and affirm the four fundamental ingredients of > civilisation: > Compassion, democracy, ethics and scientific method. No civilisation can > survive without all four of these. > Talk about assertions without a

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2007-02-25 Thread Mark Peaty
D] wrote: > Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in > accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined > by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute evidences > of Destiny, it may be sufficient to make some introducto

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2007-02-24 Thread Stathis Papaioannou
On 2/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in > accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined > by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute evidences > of Des

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2007-02-24 Thread Brent Meeker
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in > accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined > by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute evidences > of Destiny, it may be sufficient

Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute evi

2007-02-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Believing in Divine Destiny is one of the pillars of faith, and, in accordance with this belief, everything in the universe is determined by God, the All-Mighty. While there are countless absolute evidences of Destiny, it may be sufficient to make some introductory remarks to demonstrate how