On 08 Mar 2014, at 14:07, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Bruno - I read below but am answering here. You're sincere and
I'm not getting my single point across to you. I'm about done trying
I think. I've taken a lot of value from the process and it's shame
if you haven't but sincerity was
On 07 Mar 2014, at 19:22, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 11:51 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
(b) think computation is intrinsically conscious
But this wording is worst, as it looks like it insists that a
Hi Bruno - I read below but am answering here. You're sincere and I'm not
getting my single point across to you. I'm about done trying I think. I've
taken a lot of value from the process and it's shame if you haven't but
sincerity was all round.
In my view, it doesn't stack up building a
On 07 Mar 2014, at 00:41, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 3:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 04:48:37PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 09:51, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
What about others - like Russell (who might just read this and be
willing to answer ).
On 07 Mar 2014, at 01:14, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 03:41:51PM -0800, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 3:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 04:48:37PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
For example, a brain cannot think. Brain activity cannot think, a
computer
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:48:37 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 09:51, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:31:29 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:06:19 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:15,
On 3/6/2014 11:51 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
(b) think computation is intrinsically conscious
But this wording is worst, as it looks like it insists that a computation (or some
computation) are conscious.
On 07 Mar 2014, at 18:10, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:48:37 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 09:51, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:31:29 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:06:19 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal
On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:15, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:06:19 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:15, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:31:29 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:06:19 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:15, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghi...@gmail.com
On 06 Mar 2014, at 00:17, John Mikes wrote:
Ghibsa and honored discussioneers:
you can say about that darn conscousness anything you like, as long
as you cannot identify it. Attribute of a 1st person? that would
leave out lots of smilar phenomena - not even assigned to 'a' 1st
person.
I don't know anything about obligatory ram ventilators, but I do like
fluffy kittens.
On 6 March 2014 17:20, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:16:03 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Could be - I have heard the
On 06 Mar 2014, at 09:51, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:31:29 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 8:06:19 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 05 Mar 2014, at 22:15, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal
On 3/6/2014 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
(b) think computation is intrinsically conscious
But this wording is worst, as it looks like it insists that a computation (or some
computation) are conscious. But only a first person is conscious, and a first person is
nothing capable of being
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:26 PM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Why do we need to sleep?
Probably because we're primarily visual animals and Evolution weeded
out individuals who didn't get sleepy because they wasted energy wandering
around at night and got themselves into serious trouble when
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 04:48:37PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 09:51, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
What about others - like Russell (who might just read this and be
willing to answer ). Does Russell
(a) agree with you completely
Only Russell can answer this. I would
On 3/6/2014 3:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 04:48:37PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 06 Mar 2014, at 09:51, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
What about others - like Russell (who might just read this and be
willing to answer ). Does Russell
(a) agree with you completely
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 03:41:51PM -0800, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 3:35 PM, Russell Standish wrote:
On Thu, Mar 06, 2014 at 04:48:37PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote:
For example, a brain cannot think. Brain activity cannot think, a
computer cannot think, a computation cannot think, I would
On 06 Mar 2014, at 20:06, meekerdb wrote:
On 3/6/2014 7:48 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
(b) think computation is intrinsically conscious
But this wording is worst, as it looks like it insists that a
computation (or some computation) are conscious. But only a first
person is conscious, and a
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:54:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its
exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days,
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:53:16 AM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 8:54:25 PM UTC, Brent wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its
exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days,
On Monday, March 3, 2014 6:47:22 PM UTC, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:36 AM, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
John - thanks for having a bash at the questions :o)
why do we get tired
Because we run out of fuel or because of lactic acid buildup in our
muscles.
Hi
On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 12:20:17 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 4 March 2014 13:04, spudb...@aol.com javascript: wrote:
I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of
everything must be arithmetic as you say. The more I read papers and
research about the holographic
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 9:31:03 PM UTC, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why
not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That seems like a
legitimate challenge John, since it seems very doable, and the
benefit
On 6 March 2014 11:57, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery? Why
not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That seems like
a
Ghibsa and honored discussioneers:
you can say about that darn conscousness anything you like, as long as you
cannot identify it. Attribute of a 1st person? that would leave out lots
of smilar phenomena - not even assigned to 'a' 1st person.
When I tried to collect opinions about Ccness of
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery?
Why
not do that with an extra pair of eyes and a shift rota? That
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:55:47 PM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 6 March 2014 11:57, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript:
wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual machinery?
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
Soyou're saying its about resting the sensitive visual
Another suggestion, which I would say is (more or less) discredited by the
existence of animals that switch brain hemispheres to stay awake, was the
idea that it's simply *safer *to spend some of your time inactive,
especially for a prey animal.
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On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 02:26:50PM -0800,
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:20 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed,
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:45:11 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
Another suggestion, which I would say is (more or less) discredited by the
existence of animals that switch brain hemispheres to stay awake, was the
idea that it's simply *safer *to spend some of your time inactive,
especially for a
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:52:20PM -0800, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
I'd always defer to an aussie on sharks...but I'm curious how they get the
oxygen onto their gills. Could it be they exploit currents that certain
kinds of cave might produce? What happens when two windows are open on a
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:52:20 AM UTC, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 1:37:48 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 04:13:26PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:57:30 PM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed,
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 2:47:15 AM UTC, Russell Standish wrote:
On Wed, Mar 05, 2014 at 05:52:20PM -0800, ghi...@gmail.com
javascript:wrote:
I'd always defer to an aussie on sharks...but I'm curious how they get
the
oxygen onto their gills. Could it be they exploit currents
On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.au wrote:
Could be - I have heard the factoid that some sharks need to keep
moving. What I don't know is whether it is an urban myth or not.
As ever, the fount of all knowledge has the answer!
From
On 6 March 2014 15:47, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
and then there's that little critter Davie 'crocket' Attenborough wheels
out on the origin of life story...
Davie 'crocket' Attenborough?!?! I've never heard him called that before.
(The Whispering Voice of Television Documentaries, yes...)
--
On Thursday, March 6, 2014 3:16:03 AM UTC, Liz R wrote:
On 6 March 2014 15:47, Russell Standish li...@hpcoders.com.aujavascript:
wrote:
Could be - I have heard the factoid that some sharks need to keep
moving. What I don't know is whether it is an urban myth or not.
As ever, the fount of
/
testable.
Bruno
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Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 1:19 am
Subject: Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone
On 02 Mar 2014, at 17:45, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
Just a hunch
, 2014 9:07 am
Subject: Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone
On 04 Mar 2014, at 01:04, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of
everything must be arithmetic as you say.
If computationalism is correct, yes. And the base theory
On Sun, Mar 2, 2014 at 7:36 AM, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
why do we get tired
Because we run out of fuel or because of lactic acid buildup in our muscles.
Why do we need to sleep?
Probably because we're primarily visual animals and Evolution weeded out
individuals who didn't get sleepy
itself, emanates,
from some kind of 2D space, which I guess might be a...database?
-Original Message-
From: Bruno Marchal marc...@ulb.ac.be
To: everything-list everything-list@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 1:19 am
Subject: Re: consciousness questions bruno or anyone
On 02 Mar
On 4 March 2014 13:04, spudboy...@aol.com wrote:
I don't have a great comprehension of UDA, but that the foundation of
everything must be arithmetic as you say. The more I read papers and
research about the holographic universe, the more it seems like
consciousness might be a program (for
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it is? If
its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop being about
motivation and becomes that we can't think straight? ass
Why do we need to sleep? Why do we need to REM sleep in what looks to be
precise
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop
being about motivation and becomes that we can't think straight? ass
Why do we need to sleep? Why do
questions bruno or anyone
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it is? If its
exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop being about motivation
and becomes that we can't think straight? ass
Why do we need to sleep? Why do we need to REM sleep in what
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 11:34:33 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote:
ptruth
Bpbeliefs
Bp pknowledge
Bp p observations
Bp p p sensations
I would invert this of course. We do not know that the universe begins with
'truth'. Truth is a belief about what a sensation
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop
being about
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it is? If its
exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop being about motivation and
becomes that we can't think
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its
exhaustion, maybe up a couple of
am
Subject: consciousness questions bruno or anyone
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why does it stop
being about motivation and becomes that we can't think straight? ass
Why do we need to sleep? Why do we
On 02 Mar 2014, at 18:01, Craig Weinberg wrote:
Truth is a belief about what a sensation represents.
Not at all. By definition, truth is independent of belief. Arithmetic
truth does explain where the belief come from. If not you fall into
solipsism.
Bruno
On 02 Mar 2014, at 19:53, ghib...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 4:34:33 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that it
is? If its exhaustion, maybe up a couple of days, why
On 02 Mar 2014, at 22:31, Craig Weinberg wrote:
On Sunday, March 2, 2014 3:54:25 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote:
On 3/2/2014 8:34 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 02 Mar 2014, at 13:36, ghi...@gmail.com wrote:
So, why do we get tired, and why is being tired like the way that
it is? If its
On 3/2/2014 10:53 PM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
Would you agree you've said many times that it is? Consciousness intrinsic of
computation?
You will not find one quote. On the contrary I insist on the contrary. Consciousness is
an attribute of person, and they exist in Platonia, out of time and
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