[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure

[FairfieldLife] KRSNa flies higher?

2006-03-14 Thread cardemaister
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[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the foundation for questioning

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SELF-DOUBT AND CYNICISM VS. PROFOUND TRUST Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. -- Thomas

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 10:41 PM, wayback71 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 9:21 PM, Rick Archer wrote: An MUM staffer says that Bevan and lawyers are putting quite a bit into the lawsuit against MUM brought by the

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure Consciousness,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); Yes. the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it (pure Consciousness, Self-awareness), occurs for you regardless of the amount

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the fo

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: I think there is a big confusion of what evolution actually means. Here some biological definitions: Evolution: The long-term process

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
Just a couple of points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless than TM according to some here. The meditation *component* of it is,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First this: Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques and belief systems are best now. I just wanted to correct your misstatement of what I've said. Not my involvment, you know very well. Just a couple

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But an approximation. And as such not bad. Agreed. Not bad *at all*. *Especially* as compared to forms of concentration. But I get the feeling that some people aren't willing to live with TM's effortlessness being

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: First this: Ok...you can go back to arguing about whose techniques and belief systems are best now. I just wanted to correct your

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:25 PM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or to put it another way, any expectation of effortlessness that you might have wouldn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key point is Transcendental awareness. If it

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: I could easily have been guilty of the same negligence Joel Wysong displayed while watching the guy. I suspect he was in the other room

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0 I did say in that in the early stages there may be some very slight effort until the automatic cycle is established. What if that automatic cycle is NEVER established? Does this mean that someone is

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread defenders_of_bhakti
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: I could easily have been guilty of the same negligence Joel Wysong

[FairfieldLife] Re: Self-doubt and cynicism vs. profound trust - the role of surrender as the foundation for questioning

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Dean Goodman Tantra@ wrote: SELF-DOUBT AND CYNICISM VS. PROFOUND TRUST Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Vaj
On Mar 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't know Joel, but it's very possible that he's like some people here and convinced that he was not the doer in this whole scenario and thus bears no responsibility for it whatsoever. Amazing. Barry's *still* getting not the doer

[FairfieldLife] Holi and bhang

2006-03-14 Thread SoulQuest7
I just found this website that discusses the uses of bhang (a cannabis drink) in conjunction with a Hindu holiday on Thursday, March 16. I already knew that Shiva was the God of intoxicants, but had never heard of the ritual use of this drug in conjunction with this particular holiday. Here' s

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); Yes. the key point is Transcendental

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: PErhaps because they DID screw up, to some extent? What perhaps? It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a couple of points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 9:07 AM, authfriend wrote: I don't know Joel, but it's very possible that he's like some people here and convinced that he was not the doer in this whole scenario and thus bears no

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just *think* how many similar tragedies within the TM movement will get to come out in this lawsuit. Ya got the suicides on TM courses, ya got the guy burning himself to death after having been locked away in a basement room. Not

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] FW: Mr. M + money ....

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
Title: FW: Mr. M + money from a fellow in Germany: After reading this post about Mr. M. and his money, (* down there ) I had a session to look inside and understand what is wrong in the money scheme in the TMO and the Mr. M. I saw him with a huge bulk of money, looking at it and being

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: PErhaps because they DID screw up, to some extent? What perhaps? It

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0 I did say in that in the early stages there may be some very slight effort until the automatic cycle is established. What if that automatic cycle is NEVER established? Does this mean that someone is

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer fairfieldlife@ wrote: on 3/13/06 10:10 PM, shempmcgurk at shempmcgurk@ wrote: He

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely effortless btw); the key

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just a couple of points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: I agree. Actually, I was just trying to poke some fun on the 'walking meditation' supposedly more effortless

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'd start saying bye-bye to MUM if I were you. If they lose a multi-million-dollar lawsuit in addition to having no students, I'd bet that Fairfield is

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote: ---Effortless or not (nothing in the world is absolutely

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 13, 2006, at 11:25 PM, sparaig wrote: Yeah, but as I say, effortlessness in the TM sense *can't* be an expectation. You can only expect *something*, you can't expect *nothing*. Or to put it

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: 0 I did say in that in the early stages there may be some very slight effort until the automatic cycle is established. What if that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hyperbolicgeometry hyperbolicgeometry@ wrote:

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajranatha@ wrote: On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:50 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: [...] People start jumping all over each other, normally- mutually-supportive TBs start arguing with each other over whose meditation is more

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just a couple of points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, defenders_of_bhakti no_reply@ wrote: I agree. Actually, I was just trying

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'd start saying bye-bye to MUM if I were you. If they lose a multi-million-dollar

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 9:48 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) it would be very sad for Fairfield if MUM went away, don't you agree? Not really. Might be good for it. Something more interesting may take over the university. Fairfield is well established as an eclectic spiritual community

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd suggest it's about a couple of former TMers feeling panicky because they're realizing they missed the whole point. Or perhaps, they DID get the

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to liberate subject peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that people who live at MUM might actually enjoy the experience? That's why they live there! May heaven save us from self-appointed liberators. --- In

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: I'd start saying

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to liberate subject peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that people who live at MUM might actually enjoy the experience? That's why they live there! May

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip What I'm contending is that only when TM is 100 percent effortless is one actually practicing TM. So in a given session, I may be practicing TM only

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that we know more than they do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus about why they are there, you will get almost as many answers as there are people. Everyone has their own reasons. Instead of talking about people needing

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Just a couple of points: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
The bulk of the people who have chosen to remain in FF, after pretty much having severed their ties to the MIU/MUM way of life are anything but Plain Folks. Following Lady Saints (not that there's anything wrong with that), doing fire yagyas and the like, and the myriad host of other types of

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: I'd suggest it's about a couple of former TMers feeling panicky because they're

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 10:51 AM, feste37 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that we know more than they do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus about why they are there, you will get almost as many answers as there are people. Everyone has

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend, find something wrong with every single thing Turqoise says. And he

[FairfieldLife] 'How Does the Intellect to Settle - During TM?'

2006-03-14 Thread Robert Gimbel
I'm wondering what other experiences are.. during meditation and the question of arriving at the state of 'settled intellect' as was discussed by Maharishi in the state of Samadhi.. As the intellect is the function of the mind to discriminate between 'this or that'. Does the intellect settle

[FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend, find

[FairfieldLife] White Tantra

2006-03-14 Thread Bhairitu
Happy Holi! For those of you interested in tantra my teacher sent me the URL to this Indian site which has a lot of good information on tantra including links to other sites and lists of books on the subject: www.whitetantra.net Jai Ma, Bhairitu Yahoo! Groups

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Follow-up for Turquoise

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 11:31 AM, authfriend at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps this will help: If he stopped being such an arrogant phony and acquired a measure of respect for accuracy, I would probably find a lot fewer things wrong with what he says. Byron Katie to the rescue:

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Sure, it's just great, Feste. When are you moving there? :) Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 10:23 AM, feste37 wrote: Rick sounds like the Bush Administration, wanting to liberate subject peoples. Has it occurred to anyone on this board that peopleĀ  who live at MUM might actually enjoy the

[FairfieldLife] The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in fact I think I'll do that) why you, authfriend, find

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
Barry I've read these groups, starting with amt, going back as near as I can remember to the mid 90s, I know you two, and Lawson in his own way, have been at it for a long time. What I don't really understand is why you both choose to remain at it? It seems to me (but what do I know)

Re: [FairfieldLife] The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 11:46 AM, TurquoiseB at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It might be asked (in

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread markmeredith2002
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's the same way of thinking, though. The idea that we know more than they do about what's good for them. If you talk to people on campus about why they are there, you will get almost as many answers as there are people.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 12:04 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to go out of your way to provoke Judy knowing full well that if you say things a certain way it's going to cause her to respond then you, etc. Kinda reminds me of how I used to pick on my little sister. I knew what her

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You might not be interested in taking a writing class and learning how to really say what you want to say in a very precise way, maybe that wouldn't suit your style, but you do seem very chameleonlike in your posts,

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the news for those who would go into an orgy of delight if MUM folded is . . . it ain't gonna happen. For those who live in Fairfield, go take a look at the new construction going on there. MUM is in a growth phase.

[FairfieldLife] Re: 'How Does the Intellect to Settle - During TM?'

2006-03-14 Thread jim_flanegin
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering what other experiences are.. during meditation and the question of arriving at the state of 'settled intellect' as was discussed by Maharishi in the state of Samadhi.. As the intellect is the

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff anonyff@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: The question is, why are you so desperate to prove TM isn't effortless? It

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/14/06 12:04 PM, anonyff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to go out of your way to provoke Judy knowing full well that if you say things a certain way it's going to cause her to respond then you, etc.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Ides of March Attachment Test :-)

2006-03-14 Thread anonyff
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't just sloppiness by any means, although that's certainly a factor. The major problem is his deliberate disregard for accuracy and penchant for intentional misrepresentation. Yah, that is what I

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
Sorry, it appears the numbers of each article in the brief didn't paste properly, nor did the more readable format. I've emailed Rick the file separately and if he adds it to the files section it may appear in a more palatable version. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If the particulars of the brief are true, he should feel VERY responsible and VERY guilty. He added

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If the particulars

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:11 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If

[FairfieldLife] What's the difference between Shuvender Sem and Dick Cheney?

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
Shuvender's facial assault required less stitches. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Oops--never mind. On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:15 PM, Sal Sunshine wrote: Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:11 PM,

Re: [FairfieldLife] Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
And here I thought the original president of the university was George Wallace, which explained why everyone always wore long flowing white robes. Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:06 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: The original president of the University, Dr. Robert Wallace

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal Although they didn't copy and paste from the brief to my posting, I am referring to articles 57-63 Articles 57-63 are reproduced here (sorry, without the numbering):

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine salsunshine@ wrote: Which article are you referring to, Shemp? Sal Although they didn't copy and paste from the brief to my posting, I am referring to

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Sal Sunshine
Thanks. I knew about the rummaging, but not the clapping and waving of hands, or the part about JW fearing for his safety. Quite a revelation. And I agree with your conclusion. Sal On Mar 14, 2006, at 1:20 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL

[FairfieldLife] New file uploaded to FairfieldLife

2006-03-14 Thread FairfieldLife
Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the FairfieldLife group. File: /TMO -- the Odd Side/Iowa Complaint -- Butler case.doc Uploaded by : rick_archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Description : Iowa complaint filed by

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread feste37
I got a good laugh out of this, especially your comment, Since the advent of Stapathya Veda the place reminds me of a Madame Blavatsky convention, a bunch of aged dour looking people. Have you been to Annapurna dining hall recently, Anon? I think you might be surprised at what you find there

[FairfieldLife] Re: Why does T/M cost so much to join? A little help?

2006-03-14 Thread cardemaister
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister no_reply@ wrote: 0 I did say in that in the early stages there may be some very slight effort until the automatic cycle is established. What if that

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread authfriend
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't feel guilty or responsible over the death of Levi. If the particulars of

[FairfieldLife] Re: MUM lawsuit

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, feste37 feste37@ wrote: And the news for those who would go into an orgy of delight if MUM folded is . . . it ain't gonna happen. For those who live in Fairfield, go take a

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: If the particulars regarding Joel Wysong are accurate here, I'm sorry but I'll retract my previous posts from yesterday saying he shouldn't

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread jyouells2000
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION ESTATE OF LEVI ANDELIN BUTLER, by and through his Personal Representative, JOSHUA BUTLER, Plaintiff, v. MAHARISHI

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread Rick Archer
on 3/14/06 3:30 PM, jyouells2000 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION ESTATE OF LEVI ANDELIN BUTLER, by and through his Personal

[FairfieldLife] Re: Iowa complaint -- Butler case

2006-03-14 Thread shempmcgurk
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF IOWA CENTRAL DIVISION ESTATE OF LEVI ANDELIN BUTLER, by and

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