[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Just another commercial for the value of Road Trips. We now return you to your normally-scheduled programming. So to speak. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Three kinds of transformations?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What the are the three kinds of transformations[1] mentioned in YS III 16? [2] [1] pariNaama-traya: transformation-triplet? [2] pariNaama-traya-saMyamaad atiitaanaagatajñaanam. (ati-ita - an-aagata - jñaanam) Oh shucks! I guess those pariNaamas are mentioned in the first compound word of both Vyaasa and Bhoja's comment on tha suutra: Bhoja: *dharma-lakSaNa-avasthaa*-bhedena yat pariNaamatrayam uktam... Vyaasa: dharmalakSaNaavasthaapariNaameSu yoginaaM bhavatyatiitaanaagatajñaanam |
[FairfieldLife] 'John McCain= Praying to the God of War(s)..?'
The symbol of the pentagram, John McCain's wierd use of the pentagram, all of the time? What's up with that? And all that weird hippie stuff... That goes on in Sedona, Arizona... What's up with that? Makes me wonder, why he puts so much interest: In the symbol of the pentagram, and... This disgusting idea of continuing the war, forever. Who is he really be working for, I am wondering??? Hillary's with Rove now; and the more conservative Republicans'... So, who is John working for...? R. Gimbel Seattle, Washington - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] 'Hillary's 3 am. Ad/Like LBJ Daisy/Nuke Ad?'
It's ironic that a former 'Goldwater Girl'... Used the same fear tactics as LBJ, With the daisy, nuclear war ad... How soon we forget, where that stuff all leads... Fear leads to more fear and confusion. Fear and confusion, leads to more war... The alternative? There fortunately is an alternative. If Hillary doesn't destroy the Democratic Party, Like LBJ did; And like Bill Clinton did, for the year 2000... Then again, she will win at any cost, even tearing the party apart. And pretending to be one way, while working with Rovian politics. Robert Gimbel Seattle, Washington. - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John McCain= Praying to the God of War(s)..?'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The symbol of the pentagram, John McCain's wierd use of the pentagram, all of the time? What's up with that? And all that weird hippie stuff... That goes on in Sedona, Arizona... What's up with that? Makes me wonder, why he puts so much interest: In the symbol of the pentagram, and... This disgusting idea of continuing the war, forever. Who is he really be working for, I am wondering??? Hillary's with Rove now; and the more conservative Republicans'... So, who is John working for...? Whoever it is, they just made you post the same nonsense three times in a row. :-) Seriously, sometimes I wonder why it is that otherwise intelligent people ascribe to evil influences or Satan what is FAR more easily explained by stupidity, incompetence, and lack of awareness in normal, everyday humans. McCain's problem isn't that he's working for anything non-human but that HE doesn't seem to have evolved to the point of *being* a human, one who can conceive of a world without war. Satan, schmatan. Ain't nobody fucking up this planet except us humans. Claiming otherwise is just an attempt to avoid taking responsi- bility for our part in all of it. McCain's not evil and Hillary's not evil. They're both just severely limited in their abilities to think of new paradigms. Both *cling* to the old paradigms, and try to sell them by invoking fear of change. That's not being evil; that's being old and in the way.
[FairfieldLife] 'John McCain Into Pentagrams in Sedona, AZ'
The symbol of the pentagram, John McCain's wierd use of the pentagram, all of the time? What's up with that? And all that weird hippie stuff... That goes on in Sedona, Arizona... What's up with that? Makes me wonder, why he puts so much interest: In the symbol of the pentagram, and... This disgusting idea of continuing the war, forever. Who is he really be working for, I am wondering??? Hillary's with Rove now; and the more conservative Republicans'... So, who is John working for...? R. Gimbel Seattle, Washington - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] 'John McCain Into Pentagrams in Sedona, AZ'
The symbol of the pentagram, And all the weird hippie stuff, That goes on in Sedona, Arizona... Makes me wonder, why he puts so much interest: In continuing the war, forever. Who will he really be working for, I am wondering??? R. Gimbel Seattle, Washington - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Reply to message 168783--Solar Thermal Power
I was happy to read the article your message linked to, espcially the part that said that on a sunny day, a few of the solar thermal plants can create as much energy as a few nuclear power plants. I think one of Maharishi's gretest observations was that through the window of science we see the dawn of the age of enlightenment. I'm not sure TM has anything to do with the technological progress we, the family of man, are making, but science, I think, is on the brink of breakthroughs that will transform human life. Two especially that come to mind, and your post about one of them inspired me to post, are energy and desalination. Science is in a positive feedback loop--the more progress it makes, the more progress it is able to make because part of its progress is improving the tools for making progress. I can't help but think that science is on the brink of discovering how to supply humanity with all the energy it can use in a way that doesn't harm the environment. That discovery will transform human life. Maybe one immediate benefit will be to make desalination of sea water economically feasible, if the energy component of the current cost of the process makes it prohibitively expensive. And that would transform human life too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Evil, Coldness of War...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: You sure it's fear and not greed? I'm not sure if Babaji dialogues. I think this forum is his shell and he's the oyster. He deposits his pearls of knowledge for others to ooh and ah over, marveling at their profundity. Good post Lurk. Try this. Each of Babaji's posts have the Agni value. They are complete within themselves and require no additional commentary. With a name like Babaji, it's gotta be good --- Robert babajii_99@ wrote: War is created in fear and leads to all kinds of evil acts. Some have explained this strange sub-human behaviour by the belief in energies that are not of a good intent. Therefore, some have felt, that inhuman acts are sponsored by 'Lower Vibrations', or disembodied spirits, or even demons... Many times in the New Testament, Jesus is said to 'Heal by expelling demons, sometimes legions of demons. When fear builds up(which is what the lower vibrations are rooted in), And it builds up the the ultimate subversion of human behavior- war... Well, you can say, the devil has had his way... The so-called evil one, is here to steal human souls, bring them to forget about God, bring them to be cynical, polarize them to be afraid of one another... Basically, make a mockery of 'God's Kingdom'... This is what Jesus and Maharishi said, about 'Bringing the Kingdom to Earth'... But that would take: Overcoming Fear. Fear always precedes and chooses seperation and war. This is why Unity Consciousness is the antidote to war. So, we hear about this disturbing war stories of Iraq, Kosovo, Viet Nam, WWII, The Civil War, and all the rest. We wonder how perfectly intelligent human beings in Germany in the 1930's and 40's could have done those horrible things. But according to some, there not only can be a possession of the spirit individually, But a whole nation can become possessed with this same vibration. Some leaders have used this fear to scare and manipulate people to choose the path of cynicism and the path to war. Hopefully, we can end the forces of possession that continue to blind the deciders to make the right decisions: According to the Laws of Nature, and the Laws of God See below the excorcism service performed according the Catholic Tradition. Exorcism Exorcism is mainly thought of as the rite of driving out the Devil and his demons from possessed persons. Exorcism is mainly performed in incidences of demonic possession that is generally distinguished from spiritual possession. A general assumption is that the Roman Catholic singularly practices the rite of exorcism, but some Protestant denominations such as the Pentecostals and other charismatic groups practice it as well. These groups refer to the practice as deliverance ministry where gifted people drive out devils and heal while they touch the persons with their hands, called laying on of hands, and pray over them. Technically, exorcism is not driving out the Devil or a demon, but it is placing the Devil or demon on oath. And, in some incidences there may be more than one demon possessing a person. Exorcism is derived from the Greek preposition ek with the verb horkizo which means I cause [someone] to swear and refers to putting the spirit or demon on oath, or invoking a higher authority to bind the entity in order to control it and command it to act contrary to its own will. In the Christian sense this higher authority is Jesus Christ. This act is based on the belief that the Devil, his demons, and evil spirits are afraid of Christ. The belief itself is based on Scripture. Coming from the sea of Galilee Christ entered the land of the Gerasenes. He was immediately met by a man from the tombs cut into the mountains of the area. The man was said to be possessed of an unclean spirit. Nothing could bind this man, not even chains. He lived in the mountains, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But, so it is told, when seeing Christ approaching, the man went to him seeking help. The unclean demon immediately recognized Christ, and Christ recognized the demon. Christ, then, summoned the spirit to leave the man, and asked his name. My name is Legion, answered the spirit, for we are many. Once the demons left the man, Christ sent them into a nearby heard of swine who then jumped in to the sea and drown. (Mark 5:1-13) Unlike other exorcists, it is believed, that
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. What will be interesting in the wake of his death is whether there will be some revisionist history on these practices as people start claiming to be getting messages directly from Haharishi. The he's talking to me thang is *going* to happen; that's a given. The question is how it's going to be handled by the larger TMO, or what is left of it. Will it be handled in the same way that Maharishi's equally strong teaching about the enlightened being not even having the *option* of reincarnation on any relative plane, and now the teaching being spread around by Bevan and King Tony that Maharishi himself is in heaven, where even the gods are amazed by him? Or will someone remember the original teachings and point them out, and suggest that the Wannabe Emperor's New Voices might not be coming from the source they think they're coming from? Interesting point, the cat might be out of the bag. Or is that the 'genie out of the lamp' as you mention with Tony example and also these recent 'eperience' posts about Maharishi from the dead (or the road to Damascus). Proly now to be a really good apostle you should need to be hearing from Maharishi right about now, before the pile on gets too thick. Will make for some great TMmovement theatre if not else. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF As someone said recently, the jury is still out on this one. I post, for the amusement of those who have always thought that Maharishi's original take on listening to voices was correct, and as edifi- cation for those who think he was wrong, a teaching that showed up yesterday on another board in response to someone saying that her voices were telling her something and that everyone else should pay attention to it as the revealed message it really was: When you hear a voice or have a thought to do or think something in particular; once in a while do the exact opposite and then observe if the voice or 'thought' gets angry at you. That's how you can tell that you are being manipulated by something or someone outside of yourself. The woman this advice was given to got hysterically angry and claimed at the top of her all-caps screen voice that everyone else, including her own teacher who had said these words, was WRONG, and that her voices were correct. Most of the rest of us considered the case closed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment and warning, from scripture. Interesting distinction you make though about this willing and unwilling possession. Are you experienced in the sense that you practice it? Thinking back on earlier TMmovement days we didn't have much directly from Guru Dev in the way of quotes and readings. Maharishi told stories about Guru Dev. The one thing that was given out though was a quote from Guru Dev on this subject of spiritism. It was sort of foundational material for ruddering the TMmovement in straight and narrow spiritual practice. That... dabbling in spirits could be dangerous Maharishi was always firm in consul and coaching about this. This quote was a printed one sheet paper that was very available around teacher trainings and on ATR courses: paste Guru Dev: Speaking on the Value of a Human Birth and the Importance of Right Action Do good works without hesitation. The Jiva has been experiencing samsara for many, many births. It is only natural, therefore, that its tendencies have become worldly. To turn its tendencies toward Paramatman and away from samsara requires some effort. In reality, the aim of life is to stop the mind from involvement with this world. If one engages in spiritual practice and in thinking and speaking about God, the mind will start dwelling on Him and after some time it will withdraw from the world on its own. In our daily affairs we should adopt a strategy of quickly attending to good works and things related to the Divine. Should any wrong thought arise, on the other hand, we should try to postpone it to another time by saying, I'll do it tomorrow, or the day after next. In this way, wrong action can be continuously postponed. To be born a human is more fortunate than to be born a deva (angel or Divine being). Taking birth as a deva is considered comparable to taking birth as any other life form. Birth as a deva is
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'The Evil, Coldness of War...'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You sure it's fear and not greed? I'm not sure if Babaji dialogues. I think this forum is his shell and he's the oyster. He deposits his pearls of knowledge for others to ooh and ah over, marveling at their profundity. --- Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: War is created in fear and leads to all kinds of evil acts. Some have explained this strange sub-human behaviour by the belief in energies that are not of a good intent. Therefore, some have felt, that inhuman acts are sponsored by 'Lower Vibrations', or disembodied spirits, or even demons... Many times in the New Testament, Jesus is said to 'Heal by expelling demons, sometimes legions of demons. When fear builds up(which is what the lower vibrations are rooted in), And it builds up the the ultimate subversion of human behavior- war... Well, you can say, the devil has had his way... The so-called evil one, is here to steal human souls, bring them to forget about God, bring them to be cynical, polarize them to be afraid of one another... Basically, make a mockery of 'God's Kingdom'... This is what Jesus and Maharishi said, about 'Bringing the Kingdom to Earth'... But that would take: Overcoming Fear. Fear always precedes and chooses seperation and war. This is why Unity Consciousness is the antidote to war. So, we hear about this disturbing war stories of Iraq, Kosovo, Viet Nam, WWII, The Civil War, and all the rest. We wonder how perfectly intelligent human beings in Germany in the 1930's and 40's could have done those horrible things. But according to some, there not only can be a possession of the spirit individually, But a whole nation can become possessed with this same vibration. Some leaders have used this fear to scare and manipulate people to choose the path of cynicism and the path to war. Hopefully, we can end the forces of possession that continue to blind the deciders to make the right decisions: According to the Laws of Nature, and the Laws of God See below the excorcism service performed according the Catholic Tradition. Exorcism Exorcism is mainly thought of as the rite of driving out the Devil and his demons from possessed persons. Exorcism is mainly performed in incidences of demonic possession that is generally distinguished from spiritual possession. A general assumption is that the Roman Catholic singularly practices the rite of exorcism, but some Protestant denominations such as the Pentecostals and other charismatic groups practice it as well. These groups refer to the practice as deliverance ministry where gifted people drive out devils and heal while they touch the persons with their hands, called laying on of hands, and pray over them. Technically, exorcism is not driving out the Devil or a demon, but it is placing the Devil or demon on oath. And, in some incidences there may be more than one demon possessing a person. Exorcism is derived from the Greek preposition ek with the verb horkizo which means I cause [someone] to swear and refers to putting the spirit or demon on oath, or invoking a higher authority to bind the entity in order to control it and command it to act contrary to its own will. In the Christian sense this higher authority is Jesus Christ. This act is based on the belief that the Devil, his demons, and evil spirits are afraid of Christ. The belief itself is based on Scripture. Coming from the sea of Galilee Christ entered the land of the Gerasenes. He was immediately met by a man from the tombs cut into the mountains of the area. The man was said to be possessed of an unclean spirit. Nothing could bind this man, not even chains. He lived in the mountains, crying, and cutting himself with stones. But, so it is told, when seeing Christ approaching, the man went to him seeking help. The unclean demon immediately recognized Christ, and Christ recognized the demon. Christ, then, summoned the spirit to leave the man, and asked his name. My name is Legion, answered the spirit, for we are many. Once the demons left the man, Christ sent them into a nearby heard of swine who then jumped in to the sea and drown. (Mark 5:1-13) Unlike other exorcists, it is believed, that Christ did not exorcise because He did not need to call on a higher authority since He Himself was that higher authority. Now, not only did Christ exorcize demons, or unclean spirits, but he gave the powers to his disciples. ...he gave the power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness, and all manner of disease. (Matt.10:1) From these two Biblical
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Can you post any evidence that U.S. soldiers tortured and raped any babies in the Vietnam conflict? Angela Mailander wrote: I won't convince you of the facts of life and war regardless of what evidence I bring to bear on the subject, but I am certain of my facts here. Only one soldier was convicted of war crimes in Vietnam - William Calley. Do you know of any others? John Kerry didn't mention any at the Winter Soldier testimony. An Introduction to the My Lai Courts-Martial: By Doug Linder http://tinyurl.com/p75b How will you train men to kill without making them brutal? You can easily make ordinary people torture other people in laboratory settings. But you said American forces were guilty. This has been shown again and again. In war time it is something that just happens routinely. It begins with soldiers going into battle because they fear their own officers more than they fear the enemy, and it ends with soldiers going crazy and killing and raping anything that comes their way. This is the reality of war and everyone who has seen war understands that. I have personally seen a soldier rape a baby. I have also seen a soldier take a baby by the feet and dash its brains out. These kinds of things are normal and routine in a war. Angela Mailander wrote: Soldiers will rape babies and commit other acts of torture and wanton killing. That's not true of every single soldier that ever lived, but it is true of most soldiers regardless of nationality or racial origin.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'John McCain= Praying to the God of War(s)..?'
Babaji has reached a new threshold. Evidently if is message doesn't post in first seconds after he posts, he panics, and keeps pushing the send button till finally, at last, he sees it. Ah, all is well. The pearl has been deposited. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The symbol of the pentagram, John McCain's wierd use of the pentagram, all of the time? What's up with that? And all that weird hippie stuff... That goes on in Sedona, Arizona... What's up with that? Makes me wonder, why he puts so much interest: In the symbol of the pentagram, and... This disgusting idea of continuing the war, forever. Who is he really be working for, I am wondering??? Hillary's with Rove now; and the more conservative Republicans'... So, who is John working for...? R. Gimbel Seattle, Washington - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.
[FairfieldLife] Re: M-schools in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Progress in India - Part One by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article 5 March 2008 On a recent Global Family Chat, broadcast daily via satellite and over the Internet on Channel 3 of the Maharishi Channel, Dr Harris Kaplan, Raja (Administrator) of India for the Global Country of World Peace, reported on his recent tour of India's Brahmasthan, the first Peace Palace in India, many Maharishi Schools, and 'stunning progress' on all levels. He cited the high level of organisation and the fulfilment of Maharishi's programmes there. Does Harris Kaplan himself speak Hindi or is it translated for him? He cites a high level of organization, does that now include accounting controls? Would be 'stunning progesss', indeed. Harris signing the checks as the administrator of India now, or is that unknown?
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Angela Mailander wrote: Well, yeah, there's all that, too. There's no real indication that we actually want to win this one--instead, we want to drag it out as long as possible. And anyway, by some standards, we've already won. So, you think we are in a war? We've got the bases and we've got the oil. How much oil from Iraq is imported into the U.S. - probably none. Iraq's average production was 2.4 million barrels per day in January while exports stood at an average of 1.92 million barrels per day. December's exports averaged 1.81 million barrels per day. Iraq OKs agreements with foreign oil firms: http://tinyurl.com/395khy The 2003 drop in oil production by Iraq accounted for less than 1 percent of world production. Overall, world oil output went up from 2002 to 2006. 'Math Wrong on Iraq' by Amity Shlaes Bloomberg, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/32jy9l What kind of an absurdity is it that we are paying for the reconstruction of Iraq with American taxpayers dollars if Iraqi oil sales, to a significant degree, are going into foreign banks and not being used for their own reconstruction, said Sen. Carl Levin, a Michigan Democrat. Full story: 'US senator wants Iraq oil funds used for rebuilding' By Richard Cowan Reuters, Tue Mar 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2susdz
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
I don't know that it's just the media, Turq. Myself, in my usual blend of mysticism, I believe that people in this country have inherited much karma for exploiting, or for being in cahoots with exploiters of, all the resources of the entire world, and that we have a forward carrier wave of prescience for rough times ahead. There's also a certain amount of guilt for shooting amiss, and denial for blowing our heroic stature in the recent unheroic occupations. America used to be land of the free, but now, as the TSOL punk song says, America, land of the free. Free to the power of the people in the uniform. (Wake Up Silent Majority) One of the main things is that we used to feel free through protest. And though the country might have thought protest was at times quite misplaced, it still felt like Americans felt strongly about things. But that ability to protest has been snuffed out through general malaise of spirit as the government has acquired the dinosaur characteristics of the Cretaceous period. Most Americans now feel that protest is futile. In short, Americans are waking up to a new sense of something less that freedom, as brought about through their own slumber. But worse yet is the fact that many Americans seem to really enjoy this time and feel that we are doing just great. That's usually the reason for despondency. I mean, why cook something original and exotic when sloppy joes are working just fine? Anyway, this is not America. Though it still looks like it. People are wondering what they are now dreaming. Because it's not all happy and bright, and the shadow is just starting to cover the sun by inches. Lurk, I believe was touting the often noted comparison between Buddha and Vedic, Christ and Jew. How both opened the ranks somewhat. However, here's one thing Buddha specifically did do for India that is not just theory. He, and Mahavira, both spoke about karma and ahimsa, speaking against the prevalent and huge Vedic sacrifices, and due to them most sacrifices then became more environmentally friendly, and stopped with killing. It's said that Guru Rinpoche also did the same sort of thing relating to the Bonpos in Tibet. Now would be high time for someone nonsectarian, who is respected by everyone (if such a being existed) to promote the environment over exploit. I suppose the seed bank in Svalbard is a telling sign of the times that some scientists are forward planning such things. Anyway, time is ripe for some changes. Big sweeping changes which will take over the whole world. Because America has been the model, and now that it's curving away from the middle, towards the right, other lands will follow. Americans feel the fear of having been merely an artificial oasis of affluence and moral high ground which is soon going to merge into the generally uncertain world. The distant view of the mountain peak has been switched with one of the flat dessert. Stretching away into the distance. Uncertainty is what's for dinner. Original Message - From: TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2008 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom' --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the
[FairfieldLife] Re: More for Willitex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, (and Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis) . . . I wonder if we could get, say, ten decent folks here out of the above list -- folks who post a lot of good stuff, good decent folks -- to go on strike until Rick bans him. There's only about 25 regulars here, so maybe Rick's pride in having a hot message board would come to the fore and he'd dump the War Monger for the greater good. Let's put it this way. If you don't stop this mob rule horseshit, Edg, I would consider joining a movement to ban YOU. This is the same mentality in you that you tried on me a while back, and I laughed at you for it. You, of course, got angry and defensive and went insane for a while, as you are wont to do. What I said then applies now: YOU HAVE NEITHER THE WISDOM NOR THE RIGHT TO MAKE DECLARATIONS ABOUT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING'S MORAL STATUS, OR DECLARE WHAT HE CAN OR CANNOT DO, ON THIS FORUM OR IN HIS LIFE. THE FACT THAT YOU TRY MAKES YOU A WANNABE FASCIST, NOT A GOOD GUY. Willytex is easily ignored. So are you. I usually ignore you both, him a little more than you. So far. In all these years I have learned that nothing will ever be gained by reading *any* of Willytex's posts, so I Next past them the moment I see his name in the header. Yours I give one or two lines of reading before I hit Next. I estimate that fewer than 5% of your posts hold my interest enough to read any further. Keep this fascist shit up and you've lost that 5% and been classed in EXACTLY the same category as the person you want to ban.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. It's the enemy that is terrorizing the civilian population, that's why we are fighting the terrorists. It's not really difficult to accept, Angela. You have to decide what side you are on and then fight. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? Probably not, as long as the radical Islamists keep fighting a war against the civilians. One thing should be clear: If there is no Qassam (rocket) fire on Israel, there will be no Israeli attack on Gaza, Olmert says, according to Reuters. We do not rise in the morning and think about how to attack Gaza. 'Israel says it won't attack Gaza if rocket attacks cease' USA Today, March 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/25z7ov Bhairitu wrote: And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Winning is preventing attacks by killing your enemies first. It's basic self-defense strategy. We must win the war in Afghanistan to prevent a resurgent Taliban. Apparently you don't even know who your enemies are. If historians are not to look back on early 2008 as the time when the west lost Afghanistan, then action is required. But what to do? Read more: 'Don't abandon Afghanistan' By Daniel Korski Guardian, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2l2eqm Or how you determine that the war has been won? When you're still alive and the enemy calls for a truce? And what exactly is the war anyway? Obviously you don't have all the answers. Is it the war to occupy Iraq? No, the war was declared on the U.S. by the terrorists such as Osama bin Laden - the U.S. has not declared a war on anyone. Most of your congressional leaders gave the President the authority to use force to unseat the Saddam regime.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Golden Rule
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.suyka.com/atheist.jpg A bumper sticker just waiting to happen. Amen to that.
[FairfieldLife] Kirk and Vaj done
Sorry to say, the two of you have reached your quota for the week. A couple of others have too, such as Judy, but she keeps careful track, so I’m just letting you know, in case you’re unaware of it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM
[FairfieldLife] The Atheist Golden Rule
http://www.suyka.com/atheist.jpg A bumper sticker just waiting to happen.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Kirk and Vaj doneGREAT for SOME of the rest of us
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Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
Irmeli, your question is right on the money. Hitler was schooled in Le Bon's 1895 The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind. It is still a good source for how social engineering is done. Young Dove recently posted an excellent rant on how easy it is to sway the masses. It is the result of education or, rather, programming, and brainwashing that you see in the Muslim world today. You can also see it in American fundamentalists and in the American black community. --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: Hi Angela! I also know personally some Muslims or former Muslims, who have come as refugees to Finland, and they are truly fine people. E.g. I have learned to know a conductor from Afghanistan, to whom I'm hiring an apartment. I don't perceive any serious defects in his reasoning. During the years I have also hired apartments to many kinds of Muslims. And I have seen severe domestic violence.The Muslim men are allowed to beat their wifes. The women are practically always very submissive, fearful.They don't speak to me, even if I'm a woman. Even the man interviewed in TV, I described earlier seemed to be a decent human being. However there were glaring defects in his reasoning concerning those matters.In other areas of life he probably would do better. Strong religious beliefs makes it almost impossible to think clearly, because then you would need to start questioning the ultimate truths of the doctrine.The same problem is in other religions. Although questioning is in them usually easier. The sanctions of doing it are not so horrifying. Irmeli Healthy humans can generally be really nice, spiritual, friendly people. However, they are also capable of subscribing to belief systems whose realization can shock modern liberal minds. We westerners put a value on freedom of expression. We have no problem with rational dialog on any subject. These nice friendly spirits have made death threats to anyone making the slightest satirical comment on their icons. They shut down dialog with threats. These wonderful neighbors can be very kind, but they also have iron-age values that clash with the modern. Imagine if we transplanted a group of brilliant ancient minds like Aristotle's into modern times. They may come off as polished, intellectual, astute people. However they would be offended by they way we treat our women, look for non-military solutions, give freedom to slaves, question authority and so on. No doubt many third world people embrace modernity, assimilate it and contribute wonderfully to society. Part of this process requires understanding ancient tribal/religious identities as secondary to modern beliefs in humanism, tolerance, and science. s. Stu, I again agree with you in this. However I have recently started to ask myself this question: Muslims were in medieval times probably a more evolved and tolerant culture than the Christian Europeans. In an absolute sense they probably were not more evolved than they now are, but the Europeans were then even lower. Then why is it that the Christian Europe, or the western culture generally has been able to evolve hugely, while the Muslim culture has got stuck in the their medieval times level? Irmeli Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
I know, Irmeli. I've lived in China and in India--not as a tourist. I actually lived in those places. But, as you can see if you read my latest post to Willitex, female American soldiers are raped by their comrades in epidemic proportions. That tells you a lot about the status of women in the U.S. The status of women in the American fundamentalist Christian world is also pretty bad. I think things are lots better in Western Europe, though I hear from one poster in this forum that things are great in silicon valley. a --- Irmeli Mattsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Angela! At least you can have that kind of job. You can choose your husband, and divorce him, if he treats you badly.If a man rapes you, you are not made guilty for it, and being killed by your family members because of this crime. Women's position may not be perfect in the west either, but it is hugely better than in the east. It is worst in the Muslim culture, but not much better in India, China, Tibet etc. The Tibetan word woman, means 'born low'. The Purusha men probably have been in their attitudes been strongly influenced by the Indian culture. Irmeli --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who's we, white man? We think we don't hold slaves only because we don't understand that a sweat shop in China is tantamount to slavery. When China tried, recently, once again, to do something about it, American corporate interests blocked their efforts completely --in a kind of non-military solution. We seek non military solutions? Since when? Wasn't the 20th century one of the bloodiest in history? And it was all engineered by the white boys. We have made some token progress with regard to the status of women, but you see how easily our Purusha men forgot all about that. Last time I taught at a university in the States, I got $10,000 less per year than the men, less qualified, and doing the same job. --- Stu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Irmeli Mattsson Irmeli.Mattsson@ wrote: Hi Angela! I also know personally some Muslims or former Muslims, who have come as refugees to Finland, and they are truly fine people. E.g. I have learned to know a conductor from Afghanistan, to whom I'm hiring an apartment. I don't perceive any serious defects in his reasoning. During the years I have also hired apartments to many kinds of Muslims. And I have seen severe domestic violence.The Muslim men are allowed to beat their wifes. The women are practically always very submissive, fearful.They don't speak to me, even if I'm a woman. Even the man interviewed in TV, I described earlier seemed to be a decent human being. However there were glaring defects in his reasoning concerning those matters.In other areas of life he probably would do better. Strong religious beliefs makes it almost impossible to think clearly, because then you would need to start questioning the ultimate truths of the doctrine.The same problem is in other religions. Although questioning is in them usually easier. The sanctions of doing it are not so horrifying. Irmeli Healthy humans can generally be really nice, spiritual, friendly people. However, they are also capable of subscribing to belief systems whose realization can shock modern liberal minds. We westerners put a value on freedom of expression. We have no problem with rational dialog on any subject. These nice friendly spirits have made death threats to anyone making the slightest satirical comment on their icons. They shut down dialog with threats. These wonderful neighbors can be very kind, but they also have iron-age values that clash with the modern. Imagine if we transplanted a group of brilliant ancient minds like Aristotle's into modern times. They may come off as polished, intellectual, astute people. However they would be offended by they way we treat our women, look for non-military solutions, give freedom to slaves, question authority and so on. No doubt many third world people embrace modernity, assimilate it and contribute wonderfully to society. Part of this process requires understanding ancient tribal/religious identities as secondary to modern beliefs in humanism, tolerance, and science. s. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Finally, a talk on global warming that Shemp will like
President Shrub on Global Warming. It's all the penguins' fault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37uzjyNGl_k
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Just as there was rhetorical fear, rather than the real thing, in Dove's writing, there is rhetorical anxiety in my observations about the state of the world, not any real emotional angst. I am of good cheer because in this moment all things are totally excellent, but that doesn't mean I'm blind. I'm a writer. That means a level of detachment from the writing because it is a craft--in fact, I'd say that writing is a technique that ultimately leads to detachment. I can write about the bottom of hell without suffering, obviously. When Dostoyevsky wrote The Underground Man, he gave us a record of what profound depression is like from the inside. I doubt very much that he could have done that had he been depressed. The act of writing is creative, and creative activity is a joy forever. It is true that I can't travel out of the country, but I accept that, and it doesn't affect my mood--I'm living in the lap of luxury at the moment in spite of the fact that my income is about zilch, and am about to even improve my living situation. Blessings can come without money. Besides all that, aren't we committed to a world view that says we are supposed to be OK even while all around us is going down the tubes? The exhilarating thing for me is that, incredibly, I find that I can live that state. I don't know how well I could live it if my circumstances were to change, but this morning I am just fine in spite of the fact that my daughter just now told me her condition is terminal. --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Just another commercial for the value of Road Trips. We now return you to your normally-scheduled programming. So to speak. :-) Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Atheist Golden Rule
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.suyka.com/atheist.jpg A bumper sticker just waiting to happen. Love it! If they ever invent animated bumper stickers, I'm getting this one: http://alex.natel.net/misc/occams_razor.gif
[FairfieldLife] Re: Finally, a talk on global warming that Shemp will like
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: President Shrub on Global Warming. It's all the penguins' fault: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37uzjyNGl_k Wow, he really nailed that impersonation.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
I have a long-time (30 + years) friend who channels a being and I have had occasion to observe them very closely. I use the plural pronoun to hide their sex and to indicate the two of them, the human and the channeled being, together. They make a truly excellent living at it because they are able to convince large numbers of folks of the reality and the truth of their healing power--which is real enough for the people who benefit. The placebo effect is powerful and, in a sense, why not harness it in any way we can? I could be dead wrong, of course, and have been dead wrong about countless things, but in my opinion what is going on here is 1) embryonic witnessing misused or gone awry 2) very large (and exceedingly fragile) ego invested in keeping things as they are 3) Huge control-freak type personality that is constantly fed by the true believers that buy their services 3) by this time, there's no way out since their living depends on keeping up the charade 4) there's no way out because the thing has become the reality in a sense, but a total break-down wouldn't surprise me Theirs is an extremely lonely life since no one can be allowed to get close enough to them to see through the charade. --- dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. What will be interesting in the wake of his death is whether there will be some revisionist history on these practices as people start claiming to be getting messages directly from Haharishi. The he's talking to me thang is *going* to happen; that's a given. The question is how it's going to be handled by the larger TMO, or what is left of it. Will it be handled in the same way that Maharishi's equally strong teaching about the enlightened being not even having the *option* of reincarnation on any relative plane, and now the teaching being spread around by Bevan and King Tony that Maharishi himself is in heaven, where even the gods are amazed by him? Or will someone remember the original teachings and point them out, and suggest that the Wannabe Emperor's New Voices might not be coming from the source they think they're coming from? Interesting point, the cat might be out of the bag. Or is that the 'genie out of the lamp' as you mention with Tony example and also these recent 'eperience' posts about Maharishi from the dead (or the road to Damascus). Proly now to be a really good apostle you should need to be hearing from Maharishi right about now, before the pile on gets too thick. Will make for some great TMmovement theatre if not else. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF As someone said recently, the jury is still out on this one. I post, for the amusement of those who have always thought that Maharishi's original take on listening to voices was correct, and as edifi- cation for those who think he was wrong, a teaching that showed up yesterday on another board in response to someone saying that her voices were telling her something and that everyone else should pay attention to it as the revealed message it really was: When you hear a voice or have a thought to do or think something in particular; once in a while do the exact opposite and then observe if the voice or 'thought' gets angry at you. That's how you can tell that you are being manipulated by something or someone outside of yourself. The woman this advice was given to got hysterically angry and claimed at the top of her all-caps screen voice that everyone else, including her own teacher who had said these words, was WRONG, and that her voices were correct. Most of the rest of us considered the case closed. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Your quote from Patanjali is irrelevant in this context. The quote is evidently relevant only in that it is a strong comment and warning, from scripture. Interesting distinction you make though about this willing and unwilling possession. Are you experienced in the sense that you practice it? Thinking back on earlier TMmovement days we didn't have much directly from Guru Dev in the way of quotes and readings. Maharishi told stories about Guru Dev. The one thing that was given out though was a quote from Guru Dev on this subject of spiritism. It was sort of foundational material for ruddering the TMmovement in straight and narrow spiritual practice. That... dabbling in spirits
[FairfieldLife] Re:'John MCcain Into Pentagrams in Sedona, AZ'
Hello from Sedona! :) Yes, the Red Rocks do magnifiy ones experience. If one is having some negative emotions, they get intensified. If one is smiling and happy~ that too is expanded upon. Sedona is an amazing place and we have been here over 10 years now...from over 22 in Iowa!!! ...very sacred Native American Indian land and the natural rock structures and wild life are so precious. As I am writing to you I see many animals ~ coyotes, wild boar, rabbits, birds of all types, deer, transit across my yard. And of course, we do have those 3.5 million tourists who come and walk the trails each year on their way to the Grand Canynon. Some are definately boomer hippie types...just like most of us in this yahoo group. The beauty of this place, however, takes one out of thinking about the past, such as 1979 at MIU, etc. It brings you squarely into the present moment with all its Grace Beauty and an amazing connection to nature. What a Blessing! :) I think most of the consciousness and awake folks in Sedona aren't unlike any others in that category across this countryall wanting a more friendly existence. Living in Sedona is like living in the Grand Canynonall at 4,500 feet. What exactly is John being accused of doing in Sedona? I believe that he actually has a spread in the next town over...Cottonwood. Best to you, B in Sedona
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re:'John MCcain Into Pentagrams in Sedona, AZ'
On Mar 6, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Bonnie Rosen wrote: Yes, the Red Rocks do magnifiy ones experience. If one is having some negative emotions, they get intensified. If one is smiling and happy~ that too is expanded upon. Hint, hint. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First I will go to Vizag, Calcutta, and Assam, and visit Devipuram, Khalighat, and Kamakhya. And also probably Babadham and the very powerful Tarapeeth. It will be a great yatra I am sure. I have been to none of these places myself, the most east I ever was, was Amarkanthak, were Guru Dev once has been and that is not too far away from Puri or Calcutta. (I saw a cave now closed, from which I later heard through another friend, that this was probably one of the caves where GD has been). And I have a friend in Vizag, it must be a great city, but I have never been. Since I spend now more time in Andhra, I will try to go to Sri Sailam one day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. I don't think it is fear, especially with me. I'm just outraged and I mentioning these things as a reality check for those who would otherwise have their heads stuck in the ground. My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. So their heads are stuck in the ground? You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? Travel restrictions are ridiculous. They really have nothing to do with terrorism. I believe they have to do with the establishment not liking the amount of travel that the average person was able to do before 9-11. And see, just like you, that there might be better places in the world to live. I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. They just cried wolf again about possible attacks on sports There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. IOW, stick your head in the ground. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D But we still want to point it out and try to motivate people to throw a monkey wrench (or spanner for the Brits) in the works.
[FairfieldLife] Slipstream
I watched this on DVD last night. If you are a Lynch fan they you'll probably like this movie. As Anthony Hopkins, who wrote, directed, wrote the music and performed it says some people will hate it and some will like it. It will annoy the heck out of some of you as it is like an extended version of a dream from Twin Peaks. And be sure to listen to Hopkins commentary too. He has something really interesting to say at the 29 minute point. ;-) BTW, I watched Darjeeling Limited last weekend and enjoyed it though with a lot of Wes Anderson films a lot of people won't. It was shot in India including the interior train car shots (watch the extras to see how that was done).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More for Willitex
Like most I just ignore Willy unless occasionally I want to toss a few basket balls or softballs or a pie at him. I only read the exchange yesterday because I notice what was going on between Angela and Willy. Willy has never defined what winning the war is so I challenged him on that and of course he can't answer because he doesn't have one. Now that's funny and something you can try out the next time you face one of the bumps that thinks the war is a good thing. Duveyoung wrote: Angela, (and Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis) Thanks, Angela, for smacking the War Monger with a bucket of truth. I've lost my motivation -- he's got his shields on red alert, fully blinkered, and if he lived next door to me, I'd move. With his denial, he's merely going to come back at you with some other issue or a quote from the Vedas or some smarmy crap. As I've been repeatedly told about this troll, his only goal is to get others riled up, and he's shooting fish in a barrel, because, what with the likes of you and I displaying our values, he knows what targets to shotgun. If we were worshiping the War Monger's mother, he'd say something negative about her. He's insentient to his own heart and smug about this numbness. He's never written a single word of love, wholeness, or compassion. I wonder if we could get, say, ten decent folks here out of the above list -- folks who post a lot of good stuff, good decent folks -- to go on strike until Rick bans him. There's only about 25 regulars here, so maybe Rick's pride in having a hot message board would come to the fore and he'd dump the War Monger for the greater good. Sorry, Rick, you have a lot of wisdom, but I think you've made a bad call to allow this particular marauder to post here with such relentless intent to harm us. His whacks are NOT Zen whacks -- they're simply whackings for whackings' sake. It does nothing for us that we expose ourselves to such attacks on our values. There's no profit in this exercising our restraint. I've got my restraint muscle nicely pumped up, thank you, don't need more weights to lift. So I feel a daily pressure on myself for what this means for my integrity. Who here would watch a child being abused in the street, probably not even the War Monger, but my babe-in-arms values are stomped by this fucking shitheel, and no one blinks except to say, ignore him. As it is, our values become the babies he rapes, the children he dismembers, the puppies he throws over cliffs -- just to see our hearts filled with the dismay that the War Monger cannot feel. He's using us to see his pain. Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Angela, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis -- please, I don't need another lecture about turning a cheek, ignoring, or growing up, just at least, right now, spend one post and simply say to this wad of dung, I'm not a war monger, I don't espouse raping countries and people for oil, and I don't appreciate your posts that support such marauding. Boom done. That would be 18 people hammering the War Monger's ego -- if that doesn't get the message through to him, then, finally, maybe Rick will see the poisonous drool that the War Monger drips into the party's fruit punch with a malevolent leering intent. Edg
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. I don't think it is fear, especially with me. I'm just outraged and I mentioning these things as a reality check for those who would otherwise have their heads stuck in the ground. My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. So their heads are stuck in the ground? You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? Travel restrictions are ridiculous. They really have nothing to do with terrorism. I believe they have to do with the establishment not liking the amount of travel that the average person was able to do before 9-11. And see, just like you, that there might be better places in the world to live. I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. They just cried wolf again about possible attacks on sports There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. IOW, stick your head in the ground. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D But we still want to point it out and try to motivate people to throw a monkey wrench (or spanner for the Brits) in the works.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: India vs. LSD I latched on to that comparison immediately..Both are full of vibrant colors, in both trips everything seems intensely significant, and then there's the bugs crawling on ya...sorrya little off topic, but unfortunate nonetheless. A mosquito net protects you from such surprises during sleep. Seriously while I don't know that the author of the Gita intended for it to pave the way for the caste system, so many great ideas, so much inspiration and beauty have come from the subcontinent that I'd thoroughly dig a visit there. Any culture that could produce Buddha is cool by me.Has anyone else made the connection of Buddha being to Hinduism what Jesus was to Judaism? I think I have read that somewhere, or maybe a comparision between Buddhism and Protestantism, I am not sure, but Buddhism has been seen as a reformatory movement to Hinduism by many. Buddhism has a much greater appeal to westerners,as it is more rational, and obviously less discriminatory. Hinduism OTOH is irrational, colorful, manifold and difficult to comprehend. Or am I just non retardedly challenged? Not entirely the same.but they were both well versed in their culture's religious traditions but both kinda said..this might be simpler than all this superfluous ceremonial stuff yer doin. And in both cases their followers created their own superfluous ceremonial mummery and far out religious groups and organizations that are often hard to connect with the life and actual teachings of these two people. Don't get me wrong.I LOVE what Japan has done with Buddhism..Like the Nichiren Sect that teaches it's adherents to chant Nam Myoho Renge Kyo because these syllables are so sacred that merely uttering them brings you into alignment with the deeper underlying energy of the universe .I KNOW! I'm like, what a coincidence! WHere have I heard that kinda thing? By the way, I would never advocate the use of ANY drugs.I've NEVER done any of them so I'm SURE they have NOTHING to offer. :) I've 'heard' that LSD makes everything colorful and significant.and makes you think you've got bugs crawling on ya.Just remember..If drugs were Flinstone Vitamins, LSD would be the 'Great Gazoo'.NEVER mix yer Gazoos with yer Dinos..justjus' DON'T... Now, if religions were Flinstone Vitaminsyeah, this is stoopit.good night y'all. I haven't done LSD either or hallucinogenic drugs. I had marihuana first in India 93 - was sorta nice but gave me a headache later. And probably one inhale which I coughed out immediately at the Kumbh in Allahabad, which I had, just to be nice to a Naga Baba - but that had a great effect.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
I know exactly what you mean by a different psychic space. This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the national psyche. I believe that Isaiah had a great deal of insight into this when he speaks of the escapees from the nations. So, from where I sit, I cannot know if Bhairitu's witness is deeper than the national psyche, nor can you. a --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Aren't we a cheerful bunch!! But it ain't lookin' real good out there, is it? Speak for yourself, honey. What things look like depends a great deal on where you live, what the media in that place beam at you, and most of all the psychic mindset of the place itself. The psychic mindset of the United States of America right now is fear. In particular, fear of loss. That is why I don't live there. If I did, I'd probably be as focused on all the negative and potentially threatening things in the world as many folks there are. I don't think it is fear, especially with me. I'm just outraged and I mentioning these things as a reality check for those who would otherwise have their heads stuck in the ground. My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. But I don't live there. I live somewhere where the psychic and media mindsets are different, and where *most* of the people I meet are *not* focused on all this stuff and worried about it. So their heads are stuck in the ground? You mentioned at one point that new regulations in the US have curtailed your ability to travel. Have you ever looked into *that* as the cause for some of your focus, as much as anything else? Travel restrictions are ridiculous. They really have nothing to do with terrorism. I believe they have to do with the establishment not liking the amount of travel that the average person was able to do before 9-11. And see, just like you, that there might be better places in the world to live. I've heard people make a good argument for the notion that we went to war to keep an economic melt-down at bay. Apparently it's not working. Well, we're overpopulated and so wholesale slaughter is unavoidable to their way of thinking. Do you remember a comedian named Sam Kinison? Big, brash guy whose schtick was to set up a joke and then yell out the punchline at the top of his voice? The one I find myself remembering right now went something like, I've got a message for all of those folks who are starving in Ethiopia. MOVE TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!!! Yeah, yeah. I know that in many cases they can't. But most of the folks reading this forum could. And a little road trip *outside* the borders of the US might do wonders for their view of whether the world is lookin' dismal or not so much. I'm not sayin' that Europe doesn't have its issues and problems. All I'm sayin' is that I don't see the people who live there -- for the most part, England excluded -- living in fear the way that Americans tend to. I think that the issue is psychically environmental. They just cried wolf again about possible attacks on sports There is something WRONG with the *place* right now. And one of the easiest ways to shed the psychic side effects of that wrongness is to get away from it for a while, and immerse yourself in a different psychic environment. IOW, stick your head in the ground. It doesn't make the problems go away, but it sure can do wonders for one's ability to not let the problems get one down. Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D But we still want to point it out
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
You think there are no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population? That's pretty amazing. As for choosing a side and fighting, I don't choose sides. If I were compelled to fight, I would probably do it or choose death. But I don't choose sides. I do not finally even know whether the wars we've seen in the last 100 years are necessary. Some people obviously think they are. As I said many times, the soldiers in the trenches don't see what the general on the hill sees. So, while I don't personally like war because I've seen it, I do not have the knowledge to decide in any absolute way what this planet needs for the survival of our species. Nor am I attached to that survival. As for Americans not being convicted of war crimes in large numbers, I think even you should be able to see that this does not mean that they aren't guilty. At the end of WWII, the war crimes trials were conducted by the winners of the war, not the losers, and even then, it was just an excellent P.R. move. If a scientist had expertise we needed, then it didn't matter what crimes he had committed--he was shipped to the U.S. to give that expertise to the U.S. My physics teacher in high school told me he'd have the choice to stand trial for war crimes or go to America and do what he was told. He said that had he not been able to escape, he'd have chosen death rather than do for America what he had done for Germany--not because he didn't like America, but because he didn't want to be guilty of such crimes yet one more time. --- Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is it so difficult to accept this, Willitex? You want to win the war we're in at the moment. It's the enemy that is terrorizing the civilian population, that's why we are fighting the terrorists. It's not really difficult to accept, Angela. You have to decide what side you are on and then fight. Do you think there is a remote chance that this can be done without terrorizing the civilian population? Probably not, as long as the radical Islamists keep fighting a war against the civilians. One thing should be clear: If there is no Qassam (rocket) fire on Israel, there will be no Israeli attack on Gaza, Olmert says, according to Reuters. We do not rise in the morning and think about how to attack Gaza. 'Israel says it won't attack Gaza if rocket attacks cease' USA Today, March 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/25z7ov Bhairitu wrote: And Willy never defines what winning the war is? Winning is preventing attacks by killing your enemies first. It's basic self-defense strategy. We must win the war in Afghanistan to prevent a resurgent Taliban. Apparently you don't even know who your enemies are. If historians are not to look back on early 2008 as the time when the west lost Afghanistan, then action is required. But what to do? Read more: 'Don't abandon Afghanistan' By Daniel Korski Guardian, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2l2eqm Or how you determine that the war has been won? When you're still alive and the enemy calls for a truce? And what exactly is the war anyway? Obviously you don't have all the answers. Is it the war to occupy Iraq? No, the war was declared on the U.S. by the terrorists such as Osama bin Laden - the U.S. has not declared a war on anyone. Most of your congressional leaders gave the President the authority to use force to unseat the Saddam regime. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Progress in India - Part One
Progress in India - Part One by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article 5 March 2008 On a recent Global Family Chat, broadcast daily via satellite and over the Internet on Channel 3 of the Maharishi Channel, Dr Harris Kaplan, Raja (Administrator) of India for the Global Country of World Peace, reported on his recent tour of India's Brahmasthan, the first Peace Palace in India, many Maharishi Schools, and 'stunning progress' on all levels. He cited the high level of organisation and the fulfilment of Maharishi's programmes there. Dr Kaplan warmly praised Dr Girish Varma, Director-General of the Maharishi World Capital of Peace at the Brahmasthan of India, and Chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir Schools Group, as the master organizer of Maharishi's programmes and building projects in India. Dr Varma travels from one huge project to another on a special bus, much of which he designed, complete with a public address system with which he announces the coming of new Maharishi Schools to area residents. His attention to detail is legendary: 'If a building's wall is not just right, he has it bulldozed and rebuilt,' Dr Kaplan related. Driving to Ayodya, they saw golden Maharishi Vidya Mandeers (Maharishi Consciousness-based Schools) constructed according to the principles of Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, every 30 to 40 kilometres. Dr Harris showed pictures of the huge Bhopal campus, one of the 185 Maharishi Schools with their 85,000 studentsnow the top schools in all of Indiadesigned by Dr Eike Hartmann, Minister of Global Reconstruction of the Global Country of World Peace, with its beautiful gates, ample play areas, and marble rooms. With flags of the Global Country of World Peace flying from every spire, it is an impressive prototype educational centre. Dr Kaplan cited the enlightened daily routine of its students, including Ayur Vedic self-pulse readings, locating the Ved and Vedic Literature in the physiology, and studying different parts of Maharishi's knowledge. Dr Varma has set up Consciousness-Based schools (the first, in his home with six or seven students) even in areas where they were initially not welcomed. Now these are successful and self-sufficient schools where students and parents alike practice Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme twice a day, and there are waiting lists for admission. Global Good News will feature Part Two of this article in the coming days. Copyright © 2008 Global Good News(sm) Service - Lesen Sie Ihre E-Mails jetzt einfach von unterwegs..
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
TurquoiseB wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. Hey, I enjoy conspiracy theories like some folks enjoy good spy thrillers. Nothing wrong with that. However mindfulness is also being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it and of course attempt to fix things you don't like. And much of what is on the conspiracy sites winds up being mainstream news a couple months or so later. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game. Apparently you like Willy think I'm running around scared all the time or something. Man I'm too busy watching movies to do that. :D So apparently your compadres in Europe are back to where they are in the 1930s? Ignoring Hitler, ignoring Mussolini. We can't afford to ignore Bush and his cronies. And I have fun poking fun at them. :D And besides you are residing in a vacation resort. Of course folks visiting there are trying to get away from it all! Do you think I join my friends at the Oregon resort town to sit around discuss conspiracy theories? (Well, actually they're quite political too but its a bit like preaching to the choir). And I'm also not just busy watching movies, but making them, making music, making animations, making software and yup even puttering around my house. Last week I removed an old over the range microwave and installed a new one all by myself! Try that on a rainy Sunday afternoon. ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
And when I visited India I dreaded return to the US because people in India were so pleasant and kind and of course as soon as I set down in the US there was a hitch on getting the plane up and running for the rest of the trip and we ran two hours late and of course there was all this uptightness from people as I had dreaded. Now, of course if you know India they love to discuss religion and politics whereas in the US it is not polite to do so. They also like to discuss conspiracies because they happen quite blatantly there. Angela Mailander wrote: I know exactly what you mean by a different psychic space. This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the national psyche. I believe that Isaiah had a great deal of insight into this when he speaks of the escapees from the nations. So, from where I sit, I cannot know if Bhairitu's witness is deeper than the national psyche, nor can you. a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi University meals transcend mundane cafeteria food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803060367 http://tinyurl.com/yqao5l
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
This is one of the things I have reservations about when I take a look at Spiral Dynamics. Europe and the US are supposedly the most evolved nations on earth, but then, how come you can feel the fatigue and the heavy depression in the air the minute you hit a Stateside airport? In China you get hit by a wave of energy and hope, by contrast, and in India it's love and easygoing friendliness. And yeah, conspiracy theory is better than spy flicks. I like knowing what's really going on, and I learned early (because I went to high school in three different countries) that the official story that folks in a country learn in history classes and through the media is not really the truth. It's obvious because the story is not the same in different cultures. So then, you naturally begin to ask, well, why the differences and what is really going on behind those official stories? The reality is vastly more interesting than the official story and it also makes a great deal more sense. I agree with you that the powers that be don't really want too many of us to be world travelers. One reason is precisely the fact that if you travel enough and really live in different cultures, rather than just stopping by as a tourist, you begin to transcend the national psyche of any one place, and then, of course, you can't as easily be convinced of the notion my country right or wrong. You also stop taking sides. You love all people equally. --- Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And when I visited India I dreaded return to the US because people in India were so pleasant and kind and of course as soon as I set down in the US there was a hitch on getting the plane up and running for the rest of the trip and we ran two hours late and of course there was all this uptightness from people as I had dreaded. Now, of course if you know India they love to discuss religion and politics whereas in the US it is not polite to do so. They also like to discuss conspiracies because they happen quite blatantly there. Angela Mailander wrote: I know exactly what you mean by a different psychic space. This was abundantly clear as I moved from the U.S. to China and back. In fact, it hits you like a ton of bricks the minute you get out of the air port. But the witness can get deeper than the national psyche. I believe that Isaiah had a great deal of insight into this when he speaks of the escapees from the nations. So, from where I sit, I cannot know if Bhairitu's witness is deeper than the national psyche, nor can you. a Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Progress in India - Part One
On Mar 6, 2008, at 12:57 PM, michael wrote: Translate This Article Michael, thanks for posting this. I took the above literally, and decided to see what would happen. Google doesn't have a translation into Hindi, so I chose Russian instead, Russia being the closest to India it would come. Here is the retranslation back into English. :) At the recent global family Chat, daily through satellite and the Internet, on Channel 3 to Maharishi Channel, Dr. Harris Kaplan, Raja (Administrator) India for the Global Country of World Peace, reported his recent visit to India in Brahmasthan, the first Peace The palace in India, many Maharishi School, and extraordinarily progress at all levels. He pointed to the high level the organization and implementation of programmes Maharishi there. Dr. Kaplan warmly praised Dr Girish Varma, Director --The Secretary- General of the Organization of Maharishi World Capital of Peace Brahmasthan of India, and chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir School team, as chief organizer Maharishi programs and construction projects India. Dr Varma travels from one big project on the other. Special buses, most of which he developed, complete with public address system, which he declared Maharishi coming of the new school for residents area. His attention to detail is legendary: If not building walls right, it is bulldozed and rebuilt it, Dr. Kaplan interrelated. Getting to Ayodya, they saw a golden Maharishi Vidya Mandeers (Maharishi Consciousness school-based) built in accordance with the principles of Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, every 30 to 40 km. Dr. Harris showed pictures of the huge campus Bhopal, a Maharishi of the 185 schools with their students-85000 now the top schools across the India-developed by Dr. Eike Gartman, Minister Global Global reconstruction Country of World Peace, with its beautiful gates, wide playgrounds, and the marble room. With flags of the Global Country of World Peace, flying from each spire, it is an impressive prototype education center. Dr. Kaplan led enlightened her everyday students, including Ayur Veda self pulse readings, detection wed and in the Vedic literature in physiology, and explore different parts of Maharishi knowledge. Dr Varma created awareness through schools (at first, in his home six or seven students), even in areas where they were originally not welcome. Here successful and self-sufficient schools, in which students and parents, both in the practice of Transcendental Maharishi Meditation program twice a day, and there are waiting lists for admission. Global Good News will address the second part of this article, in the coming days. Copyright © 2008 Global Good News (sm) Service Don't thank me. :) Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] No dollars, India tells tourists
Even when I traveled in India in the 1990s they advised to carry only rupees. Indians were not supposed to possess dollars. So what dollars or travelers checks I carried I just went to places that exchanged them for rupees. I was quite amazed that one would wind up with quite a wad for even $100. They didn't have large denomination bills. Of course everything cost a fraction of what it did in the US anyway. A Pepsi (or Thumbs Up) was 10-20 cents (in rupees) to give you an idea of the economic scale. Rick Archer wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7805http://wwwthetruthseeke r.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7805 No dollars, India tells tourists Associated Press – January 4, 2008 No dollars, just rupees please. In a sign of how the once-mighty U.S. dollar has fallen, India's tourism minister said Thursday that U.S. dollars no longer will be accepted at the country's heritage tourist sites, including the famed Taj Mahal. For years the dollar was worth about 50 rupees, and tourists visiting most sites in India were charged either $5 or 250 rupees. But with the dollar at a 9-year low against the rupee -- falling 11 percent in 2007 alone and now hovering around 39 rupees -- that deal has become a losing proposition for the tourism industry. T To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Bhairitu wrote: My joke which Angela was referring to was about the fact that possible wars are breaking out. One is in this hemisphere between Venezuela and Columbia and the Bushies got to be licking their chops. You're a supporter of Chavez, right? So far, that's what's happening with Hugo Chavez's mobilization at the border that Colombia is ignoring. No surprise. Colombia's objective isn't war, it's free trade. Full story: 'Colombia Gives Free Trade A Chance' Investror's Business Daily, March 05, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/3y6t2e This week, Colombia launched a strike against a FARC base in Ecuador. Tired of terrorism, Colombia is not going to let FARC thugs hide in Ecuadorian or Venezuelan jungles. Read more: 'Behind the Colombia - Ecuador - Venezuela Border Fracas' by Austin Bay Strategy Page, March 4, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2wcf6k
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
Angela Mailander wrote: You think there are no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population? That's pretty amazing. That's correct - there's no Blackwater thugs and no American troops in Iraq terrorizing the civilian population. Terrorists are the thugs and the radical Islamists are doing the terrorizing. If you believe otherwise then you're just screwed up in the head. WASHINGTON -- The perception that the U.S. troop surge in Iraq has succeeded is changing some public views of the war, potentially blunting Democrats' political edge on the issue. Full story: 'Sentiment on Iraq Is Changing' By John D. McKinnon Wall Street Journal, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2cxubx Apparently, it never occurred to these deep-thinkers that inflicting a defeat on al-Qaeda in Iraq -- a defeat made possible because a previously sympathetic population turned with our help against al Qaeda -- might constitute a devastating blow to al Qaeda's standing in the Arab world. Read more: 'Bad news for al Qaeda' Posted by Paul Mirengoff: Powerline, March 5, 2008 http://tinyurl.com/2f4ww2
[FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
I too have had the experience of being visited by deceased friends and family while asleep. It has happened in what seemed like a dream, but more often it happens when I am sleeping but not dreaming (or at least I am not dreaming as I do normally night after night). None have spoken to me, but a few times I came away with an understanding of something the visiting soul wanted me to know. For example, my grandmother came several times one night in such a fashion that I twice woke up startled. Soon I realized that there was a book I was reading on death and the afterlife that she wanted me to give to my mother who (unknown to me) was soon to cross over. I gave $1,000 to a desparate friend who promised that if he didn't repay the money, he'd come live with me so I could help him. He broke the promise and died soon after from a drug overdose. Later at my wedding, a casual friend I was not close to gave me $1,000, which was a crazy-generous gift. Right after that my dead friend appeared while I was sleeping, and I knew that he was communicating that this was from his influence. Upon waking, I realized that he and I were even. There is a quality to these experiences that is decidedly different than dreaming. Frank --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, matrixmonitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---I'm not so sure. Once, my deceased Mother appeared to me in the dream state saying that in the near future there would be an ant invasion in my apt. Sure enough, 2 weeks later there was an ant invasion, but I nipped it in the bud. Good information! In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: A good point, and hopefully a springboard to an interesting thread. I have always been nothing short of *amazed* at the number of TMers who get involved with channeling and spirit voices and communicating with higher masters and the like, given the STRONG stance Maharishi took against these practices from Day One. snip As I experienced it was nothing like facile interactions with an ouija board or channeling or spirits or crap like that. it just happens. one day its not there and the next day it is. just like tm provides awareness of the full range of creation, as that process becomes clearer and clearer, new things are discovered. it is not at the gross level that you suggest at all, yet concrete, distinct, and of immense benefit. after some time, when the relationship has run its course, it can be let go of too. no contradiction to what Mahahrishi spoke about.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Spiritual vs Spiritism
On Mar 6, 2008, at 3:06 PM, Frank McLaughlin wrote: None have spoken to me, but a few times I came away with an understanding of something the visiting soul wanted me to know. Frank, you could make $$ on this! That's major for you, right? Someone tried selling One Human Soul on Ebay, in a bottle. (They'll sell anything these days.) Don't recall now if he was able to get away with it or not before they yanked it. That would be one way for your friend to repay the dough. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: M-schools in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: Progress in India - Part One by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsTranslate This Article 5 March 2008 On a recent Global Family Chat, broadcast daily via satellite and over the Internet on Channel 3 of the Maharishi Channel, Dr Harris Kaplan, Raja (Administrator) of India for the Global Country of World Peace, reported on his recent tour of India's Brahmasthan, the first Peace Palace in India, many Maharishi Schools, and 'stunning progress' on all levels. He cited the high level of organisation and the fulfilment of Maharishi's programmes there. Does Harris Kaplan himself speak Hindi or is it translated for him? He cites a high level of organization, does that now include accounting controls? Would be 'stunning progesss', indeed. Harris signing the checks as the administrator of India now, or is that unknown? Perhaps it was merely a tour of the physical facilities, a review of the achievements of the schools, and an assumption that at least SOME of the money is going towards projects that it was intended for as you can't build schools for 2400+ students without spending money. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: then he said the words that pierced me: It would be BAD KARMA for MAHARISHI for you to be here, and it would be BAD KARMA FOR YOU to be here. You must leave... snip yep, I thought that was 24 karat pure bullshit too-- sounded like the boogey-man's gonna get you. real crap. WEll, it WAS announced days before the cremation on the Maharishi Channel that it would be a strictly tradtional Vedic ceremony, fully segregated by sex. I try not to crash other people's religious ceremonies if they have a bias against me being there unless I'm secretly doing an expose on segregated religious ceremonies. Obviously, the proper thing was to turn around and walk off as it was a strictly observed men-only ceremony and regardless of the karmic issues for MMY, refusing to honor the religious ceremonial wishes of the deceased seems less than respectful. When in Rome, and all that. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
When in Rome, and all that. Cultural relativism is very popular today, but not with me. I am Rome. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: then he said the words that pierced me: It would be BAD KARMA for MAHARISHI for you to be here, and it would be BAD KARMA FOR YOU to be here. You must leave... snip yep, I thought that was 24 karat pure bullshit too-- sounded like the boogey-man's gonna get you. real crap. WEll, it WAS announced days before the cremation on the Maharishi Channel that it would be a strictly tradtional Vedic ceremony, fully segregated by sex. I try not to crash other people's religious ceremonies if they have a bias against me being there unless I'm secretly doing an expose on segregated religious ceremonies. Obviously, the proper thing was to turn around and walk off as it was a strictly observed men-only ceremony and regardless of the karmic issues for MMY, refusing to honor the religious ceremonial wishes of the deceased seems less than respectful. When in Rome, and all that. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. Hey, I enjoy conspiracy theories like some folks enjoy good spy thrillers. Nothing wrong with that. However mindfulness is also being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it and of course attempt to fix things you don't like. And much of what is on the conspiracy sites winds up being mainstream news a couple months or so later. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game. Apparently you like Willy think I'm running around scared all the time or something. Man I'm too busy watching movies to do that. :D Whatever floats yer boat, dude. :-) Seriously, I can kinda get conspiracy theories as entertainment. That's what I look at them as. As for movies, here's an exercise in mindfulness for you, one that you might appreciate given your love for the Celluloid Goddess. This is actually one I got from Rama, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've had really remarkable results with it, and recommend it highly as a way to gain some insight into whether or how much your thinking is influenced by your psychic environment. Got a movie you really love? I mean *love*, as in being willing to see it over and over again? See it in different cities in different parts of the world. Be mindful each time you see it, listening as it were to the *types* and the *quality* of the thoughts you are thinking during the same movie in a different place. I found it utterly fascinating. The strongest experience in the contrast between two psychic environments involved the film American Beauty. I saw it first in Santa Fe. Everyone in the theater was transfixed, as was I...high as a kite. After the film waa over, people milled around outside the theater, unwilling to leave it. In the end people walked up to absolute strangers and asked whether they wanted to go somewhere for a beer and *talk* about the movie. We did. Until 2:00 a.m. In those days I was consulting in another city, flying from Santa Fe to Detroit on Sunday night and flying back Thursday night. So a few days later I found American Beauty playing at the theater in the town I had an apartment in while working there, Birmingham. Birmingham is like a high-rent suburb of Detroit, populated mainly by auto executives and their trophy wives. It's a zoo. Anyway, I saw the theater and remembered Rama's exercise in moviemindfulness and decided to see American Beauty again. What a shock. The shine that had gotten us so high watching it in Santa Fe was completely missing from the same movie here. It was as if so many people in the audi- ence were sitting there grinding their teeth *hating* what they saw onscreen (their own lives) and wanting it to *go away*, that it almost DID make it go away, even for me. I sat there feeling almost as fidgety as the people around me, enjoying the movie less. When the film ended there was absolute silence, as in Santa Fe, but a very different silence. It lasted only a second, and then the audience *bolted* for the doors. They just couldn't *wait* to get out the doors and put this whole movie experience behind them, forever. Anyway, I found it a fascinating exercise in watching the effect that a psychic environment can have on me. And I continue to. I have watched American Beauty in probably 10 different cities since then, and it's a different experience every time, quantitatively different than watch- ing it over and over at home, which I've also done. Hey, I like the movie. So apparently your compadres in Europe are back to where they are in the 1930s? Ignoring Hitler, ignoring Mussolini. No, I really don't think it's that. In my exper- ience in Europe with the Dutch, the French, and now the Catalunyans, they are usually far more aware of world events than Americans. And they are concerned when they need to be, and do some- thing about it when something needs to be done. But that doesn't take all that much *time*, man. Americans think about gnarly shit for much of their day! Many of the Europeans I have inter- acted with don't. They think about the gnarly political stuff only as long as they need to, and then enjoy the rest of their day. They don't allow the existence of terrorism and the
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: More for Willitex
Hey, Curtis, I never said anything about not enjoying Willitex's posts. I do not agree with Dove that he should be banned--I don't think anybody should be banned. I'm just getting to know Willitex through my recent conversation with him, and I like getting to know him. I don't agree with him at all, but that's got nothing to do with it. Anyway, this is my last post for the week, and if you don't like my conversation with Willitex, just don't read it. a --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Angela, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis -- please, I don't need another lecture about turning a cheek, ignoring, or growing up, just at least, right now, spend one post and simply say to this wad of dung, I'm not a war monger, I don't espouse raping countries and people for oil, and I don't appreciate your posts that support such marauding. So you want me to parrot back a phrase that you have given me? And all this without nipple clips or nurse's outfits? Are you confusing a YP for a MP? (your problem for my problem) Ganging up on a person and attempting to limit their posting because I disagree with the content of their contribution is probably the best description of the opposite of every value I stand for. The opposite. It is uncool. I already told you that Richard contributes posts I enjoy. Not everyone, but I'm sure I show up on some people's block list. Do you really know Rick so little by now that you think he would consider such a scheme? I remember when you tried the same thing with Turq? It was a shitty trick IMO. It took a while to see you as a person rather than just an angry attacker with an intellectual boundaries problem. You aren't going to lead any mob with torches here Edg. Haven't you figured that out? Once you've see Frankenstein take the flowers from the little girl by the river, you stop seeing a monster. I went through that process with you. and I have done it with Richard. There is no going back to the one dimensional for me about either of you. Nobody gets banned unless they try to spam the board and sell us a bunch of shit. (Imminent CD releases exempt of course!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, (and Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis) Thanks, Angela, for smacking the War Monger with a bucket of truth. I've lost my motivation -- he's got his shields on red alert, fully blinkered, and if he lived next door to me, I'd move. With his denial, he's merely going to come back at you with some other issue or a quote from the Vedas or some smarmy crap. As I've been repeatedly told about this troll, his only goal is to get others riled up, and he's shooting fish in a barrel, because, what with the likes of you and I displaying our values, he knows what targets to shotgun. If we were worshiping the War Monger's mother, he'd say something negative about her. He's insentient to his own heart and smug about this numbness. He's never written a single word of love, wholeness, or compassion. I wonder if we could get, say, ten decent folks here out of the above list -- folks who post a lot of good stuff, good decent folks -- to go on strike until Rick bans him. There's only about 25 regulars here, so maybe Rick's pride in having a hot message board would come to the fore and he'd dump the War Monger for the greater good. Sorry, Rick, you have a lot of wisdom, but I think you've made a bad call to allow this particular marauder to post here with such relentless intent to harm us. His whacks are NOT Zen whacks -- they're simply whackings for whackings' sake. It does nothing for us that we expose ourselves to such attacks on our values. There's no profit in this exercising our restraint. I've got my restraint muscle nicely pumped up, thank you, don't need more weights to lift. So I feel a daily pressure on myself for what this means for my integrity. Who here would watch a child being abused in the street, probably not even the War Monger, but my babe-in-arms values are stomped by this fucking shitheel, and no one blinks except to say, ignore him. As it is, our values become the babies he rapes, the children he dismembers, the puppies he throws over cliffs -- just to see our hearts filled with the dismay that the War Monger cannot feel. He's using us to see his pain. Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Angela, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis -- please, I don't need another lecture about turning a cheek, ignoring,
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When in Rome, and all that. Cultural relativism is very popular today, but not with me. I am Rome. So if you walk into a Jewish temple munching on a regular pepperoni pizza (meat + cheeze), you don't apologize for your ignorance and walk out if someone points out to you that you are in a kosher establishment? Sheesh. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sandiego108 sandiego108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: then he said the words that pierced me: It would be BAD KARMA for MAHARISHI for you to be here, and it would be BAD KARMA FOR YOU to be here. You must leave... snip yep, I thought that was 24 karat pure bullshit too-- sounded like the boogey-man's gonna get you. real crap. WEll, it WAS announced days before the cremation on the Maharishi Channel that it would be a strictly tradtional Vedic ceremony, fully segregated by sex. I try not to crash other people's religious ceremonies if they have a bias against me being there unless I'm secretly doing an expose on segregated religious ceremonies. Obviously, the proper thing was to turn around and walk off as it was a strictly observed men-only ceremony and regardless of the karmic issues for MMY, refusing to honor the religious ceremonial wishes of the deceased seems less than respectful. When in Rome, and all that. Lawson No problem with the respect for other cultures, at all, no issue there. It was this warning of the possible bad karma that rankled me- - plays on imagined fears (treats the person spoken to like a child) , vs. just explaining the situation clearly (treats the person spoken to like an adult).
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
So if you walk into a Jewish temple munching on a regular pepperoni pizza (meat + cheeze), you don't apologize for your ignorance and walk out if someone points out to you that you are in a kosher establishment? Again with the relativism. Are you equating religious food practices with treating woman as second class citizens? I'm not. I hang with an international crowd and am down with all their customs, up to an not including some of their backward ideas about the value of certain humans. Then I stand up like St. Amy Winehouse and say, No, No. No. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: When in Rome, and all that. Cultural relativism is very popular today, but not with me. I am Rome. So if you walk into a Jewish temple munching on a regular pepperoni pizza (meat + cheeze), you don't apologize for your ignorance and walk out if someone points out to you that you are in a kosher establishment? Sheesh. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: More for Willitex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, Curtis, I never said anything about not enjoying Willitex's posts. I do not agree with Dove that he should be banned--I don't think anybody should be banned. I'm just getting to know Willitex through my recent conversation with him, and I like getting to know him. I don't agree with him at all, but that's got nothing to do with it. Anyway, this is my last post for the week, and if you don't like my conversation with Willitex, just don't read it. a Angela, I wasn't responding about your posts with Richard, I was only directing my post to Edg's suggestion. I was completely unaware of any exchanges you are having with him. I don't agree with him at all, but that's got nothing to do with it. Exactly how I feel. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Angela, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis -- please, I don't need another lecture about turning a cheek, ignoring, or growing up, just at least, right now, spend one post and simply say to this wad of dung, I'm not a war monger, I don't espouse raping countries and people for oil, and I don't appreciate your posts that support such marauding. So you want me to parrot back a phrase that you have given me? And all this without nipple clips or nurse's outfits? Are you confusing a YP for a MP? (your problem for my problem) Ganging up on a person and attempting to limit their posting because I disagree with the content of their contribution is probably the best description of the opposite of every value I stand for. The opposite. It is uncool. I already told you that Richard contributes posts I enjoy. Not everyone, but I'm sure I show up on some people's block list. Do you really know Rick so little by now that you think he would consider such a scheme? I remember when you tried the same thing with Turq? It was a shitty trick IMO. It took a while to see you as a person rather than just an angry attacker with an intellectual boundaries problem. You aren't going to lead any mob with torches here Edg. Haven't you figured that out? Once you've see Frankenstein take the flowers from the little girl by the river, you stop seeing a monster. I went through that process with you. and I have done it with Richard. There is no going back to the one dimensional for me about either of you. Nobody gets banned unless they try to spam the board and sell us a bunch of shit. (Imminent CD releases exempt of course!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Angela, (and Turq, Judy, Marek, Bhairitu, Lurk, Robert, Kirk, Sal, Do.rflex, Vaj, Dhamiltony2k5, Wayback71, Matrixmonitor, Stu, Hagen J. Holtz, and Curtis) Thanks, Angela, for smacking the War Monger with a bucket of truth. I've lost my motivation -- he's got his shields on red alert, fully blinkered, and if he lived next door to me, I'd move. With his denial, he's merely going to come back at you with some other issue or a quote from the Vedas or some smarmy crap. As I've been repeatedly told about this troll, his only goal is to get others riled up, and he's shooting fish in a barrel, because, what with the likes of you and I displaying our values, he knows what targets to shotgun. If we were worshiping the War Monger's mother, he'd say something negative about her. He's insentient to his own heart and smug about this numbness. He's never written a single word of love, wholeness, or compassion. I wonder if we could get, say, ten decent folks here out of the above list -- folks who post a lot of good stuff, good decent folks -- to go on strike until Rick bans him. There's only about 25 regulars here, so maybe Rick's pride in having a hot message board would come to the fore and he'd dump the War Monger for the greater good. Sorry, Rick, you have a lot of wisdom, but I think you've made a bad call to allow this particular marauder to post here with such relentless intent to harm us. His whacks are NOT Zen whacks -- they're simply whackings for whackings' sake. It does nothing for us that we expose ourselves to such attacks on our values. There's no profit in this exercising our restraint. I've got my restraint muscle nicely pumped up, thank you, don't need more weights to lift. So I feel a daily pressure on myself for what this means for my integrity. Who here would watch a child being abused in the street, probably not even the War Monger, but my babe-in-arms values are stomped by this fucking shitheel, and no
[FairfieldLife] Re: No dollars, India tells tourists
I heard from a major business manufacturing client of China that the major manufacturers are no longer accepting dollars, only Euros. Its coming people, slowly but surely, make sure you have some investments outside of US interests. China will drop the US dollar, not by Chinese government policy, but just individual companies across China amounting to a virtual end to the dollar. After that it is a domino effect across the world for the dollar being dropped. Iraqmire caused it. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even when I traveled in India in the 1990s they advised to carry only rupees. Indians were not supposed to possess dollars. So what dollars or travelers checks I carried I just went to places that exchanged them for rupees. I was quite amazed that one would wind up with quite a wad for even $100. They didn't have large denomination bills. Of course everything cost a fraction of what it did in the US anyway. A Pepsi (or Thumbs Up) was 10-20 cents (in rupees) to give you an idea of the economic scale. Rick Archer wrote: HYPERLINK http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp? ID=7805http://wwwthetruthseeke r.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7805 No dollars, India tells tourists Associated Press January 4, 2008 No dollars, just rupees please. In a sign of how the once-mighty U.S. dollar has fallen, India's tourism minister said Thursday that U.S. dollars no longer will be accepted at the country's heritage tourist sites, including the famed Taj Mahal. For years the dollar was worth about 50 rupees, and tourists visiting most sites in India were charged either $5 or 250 rupees. But with the dollar at a 9-year low against the rupee -- falling 11 percent in 2007 alone and now hovering around 39 rupees -- that deal has become a losing proposition for the tourism industry. T
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again with the relativism. Are you equating religious food practices with treating women as second class citizens? Is that bad? I've always treated women as a religious food experience. Some have even thanked me for it.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always treated women as a religious food experience. Get a checking !
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
then he said the words that pierced me: It would be BAD KARMA for MAHARISHI for you to be here, and it would be BAD KARMA FOR YOU to be here. You must leave... snip yep, I thought that was 24 karat pure bullshit too-- sounded like the boogey-man's gonna get you. real crap. WEll, it WAS announced days before the cremation on the Maharishi Channel that it would be a strictly tradtional Vedic ceremony, fully segregated by sex. When in Rome, and all that. Well, nothing in the 'vedic scripture' proscribes this particular distinction about funeral rites. No separation by gender from scripture in Shastra and the like, hence this particular funeral part about gender Jim-crow is not 'Vedic'. It was conceived. Not vedic, it was just in the choreography and power-tripping of this unique event. Keeping the Westerners at bay in a way too. The Indian movement was respectful when they had to be, but evidently not as inclusive. Inner and outer circles. You'll notice Nadir Ram walked behind and was not in their boat? It was just part of the story there. Nobody stood up for the women when it could have been done, except those soldiers later in the story. Probably as likely that nobody wanted to deal with or work out the logistics. So it boiled down to: Just tell them its 'Vedic', and keep them out.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
I’ve been out of the loop on this discussion, but just wanted to mention that Amma officiated at mass cremations for tsunami victims, and no one seemed to mind: HYPERLINK http://www.amritapuri.org/tsunami/smriti.phphttp://www.amritapuri.org/tsun ami/smriti.php. But then she’s never been a stickler for sexist “traditions.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.5/1314 - Release Date: 3/5/2008 6:38 PM
[FairfieldLife] Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Raam addresses the global celebration in honour of the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, Dr Bevan Morris
Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Raam addresses the global celebration in honour of the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, Dr Bevan Morris by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsHYPERLINK http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=120474105132126616#transla teTranslate This Article 5 March 2008 In his first major address since returning from the Vedic Ceremonies in India in honour of HYPERLINK http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi.html; \nMaharishi Mahesh Yogi, HYPERLINK http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?pcpid=45; \nMaharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam, first ruler of the Global Country of World Peace, and successor in the Vedic Tradition for us, spoke of this time of moving into the new reality in the functioning of infinite silence and infinite dynamism. 'Silence is the basis of action,' said Maharaja Adhiraja Raja Raam. 'Infinite silence is the strength and the power at the basis of successful fulfilling activity. 'Maharishi has blessed us with the knowledge of silence and dynamism. Maharishi has given to the world the secret of perfect administration: the secret of holistic achievement and fulfilment. Maharishi is with us today in infinite silence, and through his administration and programmes, he is with us in infinite dynamism. 'After what we have had to experience in the past month in terms of silence taking a different way of being with us—a different type of being present with us—we have been immersed in that new reality, and trying to adjust ourselves to that way of functioning in keeping that perfect being totally in every one of our thoughts, desires, and in all [fields] of our structure of administration and plans of action.' Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam said that it is difficult to break out of silence on the level of speech—as if purity of Unity, unboundedness, likes its own infinite symmetry and its own infinite peace. He said he had been together with the leaders of Maharishi's HYPERLINK http://newer.globalgoodnews.info/world-peace-a.html?art=120344251814017788; preview=tnocache=346752 \nGlobal Country of World Peace, planning, and looking at all the details of what we have and what we have to administer—yet a permeating feeling has been that of only inward stroke. And in our feelings and thoughts the outward stroke is still being prepared, and as if waiting for the right time to feel that it has really started. 'And suddenly we have a birthday. And it's the birthday of our Prime Minister—a leader in dynamism and strength and knowledge based on infinite silence—the supreme guardian of Maharishi's purity of teaching and purity of purpose. 'And that became for us a feeling and a thought that the time for the outward stroke has started. Infinite silence is coming out into activity yet remaining in silence, by taking the structure that Maharishi has created and acknowledging its two values— silence and dynamism—infinite silence and infinite dynamism. 'And it's so befitting that the thought and feeling comes to us on such a great day, the day where we celebrate the birth of the embodiment of infinite silence and dynamism guiding and giving strength to all the Ministers, all the HYPERLINK http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1170889722364112; \nRajas, and all the aspects of the global administration of the Global Country of World Peace.' Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam said that he has had such infinitely blissful time working with Maharishi on Ved and physiology for hours and hours, months and months; its preparation and its discovery and its details; and then its publication, its [texts], and its presentation to the world. 'I've also had the great luck and bliss to work on the Ramayana* with Maharishi. And the Ramayana has been completed in human physiology. Totally. 'We know every character in the Ramayana, every event that has happenend through the travels of Raam and through the different encounters and enlightening parts of the Ramayana —how they actually are an expression of the human physiology: how our body is the story of the Ramayana. 'Our physiology is the story of the Ramayana, taking place every moment, every minute, every hour, every day, every cycle of days and months and years. We have the story of the Ramayana repeating itself over and over and over again.' Adhiraj Raja Raam said that Maharishi was delighted to be hearing this and discussing this and understanding the physiology and how it relates to the Ramayana; he was guiding the specific events and blessing them. But he had not published it. 'And I was wondering for a long time, ''Why is it that it is something he seemed to like so much, that he has made tapes with me about, and he thought it was wonderful, and we should print it, but he never really asked to have it done?'' 'Then suddenly some two three weeks ago the same thought occurred to me, and then an answer came. And I felt [it] was to give me the chance to give out
[FairfieldLife] Re: Progress in India - Part One
---dear sal, soon we will have the second part. i know raja harris personally, because i am gardener in vlodrop/ netherlands, and take care of his garden. he is really a great soul see you michael In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2008, at 12:57 PM, michael wrote: Translate This Article Michael, thanks for posting this. I took the above literally, and decided to see what would happen. Google doesn't have a translation into Hindi, so I chose Russian instead, Russia being the closest to India it would come. Here is the retranslation back into English. :) At the recent global family Chat, daily through satellite and the Internet, on Channel 3 to Maharishi Channel, Dr. Harris Kaplan, Raja (Administrator) India for the Global Country of World Peace, reported his recent visit to India in Brahmasthan, the first Peace The palace in India, many Maharishi School, and extraordinarily progress at all levels. He pointed to the high level the organization and implementation of programmes Maharishi there. Dr. Kaplan warmly praised Dr Girish Varma, Director --The Secretary- General of the Organization of Maharishi World Capital of Peace Brahmasthan of India, and chairman of Maharishi Vidya Mandir School team, as chief organizer Maharishi programs and construction projects India. Dr Varma travels from one big project on the other. Special buses, most of which he developed, complete with public address system, which he declared Maharishi coming of the new school for residents area. His attention to detail is legendary: If not building walls right, it is bulldozed and rebuilt it, Dr. Kaplan interrelated. Getting to Ayodya, they saw a golden Maharishi Vidya Mandeers (Maharishi Consciousness school-based) built in accordance with the principles of Maharishi Sthapatya Veda, every 30 to 40 km. Dr. Harris showed pictures of the huge campus Bhopal, a Maharishi of the 185 schools with their students-85000 now the top schools across the India-developed by Dr. Eike Gartman, Minister Global Global reconstruction Country of World Peace, with its beautiful gates, wide playgrounds, and the marble room. With flags of the Global Country of World Peace, flying from each spire, it is an impressive prototype education center. Dr. Kaplan led enlightened her everyday students, including Ayur Veda self pulse readings, detection wed and in the Vedic literature in physiology, and explore different parts of Maharishi knowledge. Dr Varma created awareness through schools (at first, in his home six or seven students), even in areas where they were originally not welcome. Here successful and self-sufficient schools, in which students and parents, both in the practice of Transcendental Maharishi Meditation program twice a day, and there are waiting lists for admission. Global Good News will address the second part of this article, in the coming days. Copyright © 2008 Global Good News (sm) Service Don't thank me. :) Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi University meals transcend mundane cafeteria food
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays dickmays@ wrote: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article? AID=2008803060367 http://tinyurl.com/yqao5l * I'm curious how 563 on-campus students can eat in a dining hall designed for both students and faculty with a capacity of 360: There are two dining halls on the second floor of the Student Center and a café on the first floor. The main dining room, for students and faculty, is located on the south end and seats 360, while the smaller north dining hall, for staff, seats 140. In between is a banquet room, with space for 110. http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/07-08/1-23-08.html#4
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Raam addresses the global celebration in honour of the
You know, I've been thinking about this, and it's not a bad move on King Tony's part. I respect it. If he has any chops, it will be apparent in the book. If he hasn't, that will be apparent in the book. Just settles things right up front. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharaj Adhiraj Raja Raam addresses the global celebration in honour of the Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace, Dr Bevan Morris by Global Good News staff writer Global Good NewsHYPERLINK http://globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=120474105132126616#transla teTranslate This Article 5 March 2008 In his first major address since returning from the Vedic Ceremonies in India in honour of HYPERLINK http://maharishi-programmes.globalgoodnews.com/achievements/Maharishi.html; \nMaharishi Mahesh Yogi, HYPERLINK http://www.globalcountry.org/EasyWeb.asp?pcpid=45; \nMaharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam, first ruler of the Global Country of World Peace, and successor in the Vedic Tradition for us, spoke of this time of moving into the new reality in the functioning of infinite silence and infinite dynamism. 'Silence is the basis of action,' said Maharaja Adhiraja Raja Raam. 'Infinite silence is the strength and the power at the basis of successful fulfilling activity. 'Maharishi has blessed us with the knowledge of silence and dynamism. Maharishi has given to the world the secret of perfect administration: the secret of holistic achievement and fulfilment. Maharishi is with us today in infinite silence, and through his administration and programmes, he is with us in infinite dynamism. 'After what we have had to experience in the past month in terms of silence taking a different way of being with usa different type of being present with uswe have been immersed in that new reality, and trying to adjust ourselves to that way of functioning in keeping that perfect being totally in every one of our thoughts, desires, and in all [fields] of our structure of administration and plans of action.' Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam said that it is difficult to break out of silence on the level of speechas if purity of Unity, unboundedness, likes its own infinite symmetry and its own infinite peace. He said he had been together with the leaders of Maharishi's HYPERLINK http://newer.globalgoodnews.info/world-peace-a.html?art=120344251814017788; preview=tnocache=346752 \nGlobal Country of World Peace, planning, and looking at all the details of what we have and what we have to administeryet a permeating feeling has been that of only inward stroke. And in our feelings and thoughts the outward stroke is still being prepared, and as if waiting for the right time to feel that it has really started. 'And suddenly we have a birthday. And it's the birthday of our Prime Ministera leader in dynamism and strength and knowledge based on infinite silencethe supreme guardian of Maharishi's purity of teaching and purity of purpose. 'And that became for us a feeling and a thought that the time for the outward stroke has started. Infinite silence is coming out into activity yet remaining in silence, by taking the structure that Maharishi has created and acknowledging its two values silence and dynamisminfinite silence and infinite dynamism. 'And it's so befitting that the thought and feeling comes to us on such a great day, the day where we celebrate the birth of the embodiment of infinite silence and dynamism guiding and giving strength to all the Ministers, all the HYPERLINK http://www.globalgoodnews.com/world-peace-a.html?art=1170889722364112; \nRajas, and all the aspects of the global administration of the Global Country of World Peace.' Maharaja Adhiraj Raja Raam said that he has had such infinitely blissful time working with Maharishi on Ved and physiology for hours and hours, months and months; its preparation and its discovery and its details; and then its publication, its [texts], and its presentation to the world. 'I've also had the great luck and bliss to work on the Ramayana* with Maharishi. And the Ramayana has been completed in human physiology. Totally. 'We know every character in the Ramayana, every event that has happenend through the travels of Raam and through the different encounters and enlightening parts of the Ramayana how they actually are an expression of the human physiology: how our body is the story of the Ramayana. 'Our physiology is the story of the Ramayana, taking place every moment, every minute, every hour, every day, every cycle of days and months and years. We have the story of the Ramayana repeating itself over and over and over again.' Adhiraj Raja Raam said that Maharishi was delighted to be hearing this and discussing this and understanding the physiology and how it relates to the Ramayana; he was guiding the specific events and blessing them. But he had not
[FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking Like Replicants
TurquoiseB wrote: Willytex is easily ignored. This brings up the question of human conciousness, robot conciousness, and how they are similar and different from us thinking humanoids. The main theme of Phillip K. Dick's novel, 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' concerns similarity and difference; sentient robots that look identical to humans, but are not human at all. The central question is wheteher or not we can spot replicants in order to retire them. Looming in the background is the question: is Deckard himself a replicant? Thinking like a replicant is the way Deckard explores his own conciousness and humanity. Replicants, that is, androids, make Deckard realize that he might not be so human after all. He actually becomes more inhuman than the replicants he is remorselessly hunting! Read more: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/androids.htm 'Blade Runner' Starring Harrison Ford Directed by Ridley Scott The Final Cut, two-disc Special Edition, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2gsu65
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thinking Like Replicants
Richard J. Williams wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Willytex is easily ignored. This brings up the question of human conciousness, robot conciousness, and how they are similar and different from us thinking humanoids. The main theme of Phillip K. Dick's novel, 'Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?' concerns similarity and difference; sentient robots that look identical to humans, but are not human at all. The central question is wheteher or not we can spot replicants in order to retire them. Looming in the background is the question: is Deckard himself a replicant? Thinking like a replicant is the way Deckard explores his own conciousness and humanity. Replicants, that is, androids, make Deckard realize that he might not be so human after all. He actually becomes more inhuman than the replicants he is remorselessly hunting! Read more: http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/androids.htm 'Blade Runner' Starring Harrison Ford Directed by Ridley Scott The Final Cut, two-disc Special Edition, 2007 http://tinyurl.com/2gsu65 You mean you didn't get the 5 disk HD-DVD version? :) (I got the 5 disk BluRay version).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Obama/Stay w/Message of Hope, Unity Wisdom'
TurquoiseB wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, some of us aren't attached to what is going on. We're just witnessing it. :D Yeah, right. That's why your posts are full of conspiracy theories. :-) Traveling to get one's head into a different psychic space is NOT sticking one's head in the sand. It's an exercise in learning what you seem to be denying, that one IS affected by the psychic environment one lives in. Want to find out what that psychic environ- ment is like? Well, you CAN'T from within it. You have to get away for a while, to somewhere very different psychically. While there, prac- tice mindfulness. Then, when you go back home, practice mindfulness there and see how your mindset changes. You'll be surprised. Hey, I enjoy conspiracy theories like some folks enjoy good spy thrillers. Nothing wrong with that. However mindfulness is also being aware of your surroundings and what is going on it and of course attempt to fix things you don't like. And much of what is on the conspiracy sites winds up being mainstream news a couple months or so later. Nothing wrong with being ahead of the game. Apparently you like Willy think I'm running around scared all the time or something. Man I'm too busy watching movies to do that. :D Whatever floats yer boat, dude. :-) Seriously, I can kinda get conspiracy theories as entertainment. That's what I look at them as. As for movies, here's an exercise in mindfulness for you, one that you might appreciate given your love for the Celluloid Goddess. This is actually one I got from Rama, so take it with a grain of salt, but I've had really remarkable results with it, and recommend it highly as a way to gain some insight into whether or how much your thinking is influenced by your psychic environment. Got a movie you really love? I mean *love*, as in being willing to see it over and over again? See it in different cities in different parts of the world. Be mindful each time you see it, listening as it were to the *types* and the *quality* of the thoughts you are thinking during the same movie in a different place. I'm not much into spending a bunch of cash to see a movie I can see just as well in my home theater. Besides I've never found the pause or rewind button in those theaters yet. Most of my friends that I saw movies with have moved away and most just came to my house to see them here on my big screen. We occasionally went to see a film in a theater but were often bugged by the rudeness and unruliness of the great unwashed. Most theater going I do is at my digital theater up the hill and for some reason people are more polite around here but those are matinees and when I go I may actually be about the only person there. And yes sometimes when there are more people and only if they stick around until after the credits then we may chat a little about the film. When Cloverfield opened the manager was asking folks about how they liked the film. Mindfulness is just about having a quiet mind to begin with and I have some great techniques for that. But even then one can have some imbalances (mainly vata) that can cause the damn thing to chat away when you don't want it. Most yogis don't worry about these. So apparently your compadres in Europe are back to where they are in the 1930s? Ignoring Hitler, ignoring Mussolini. No, I really don't think it's that. In my exper- ience in Europe with the Dutch, the French, and now the Catalunyans, they are usually far more aware of world events than Americans. And they are concerned when they need to be, and do some- thing about it when something needs to be done. But that doesn't take all that much *time*, man. Americans think about gnarly shit for much of their day! Many of the Europeans I have inter- acted with don't. They think about the gnarly political stuff only as long as they need to, and then enjoy the rest of their day. They don't allow the existence of terrorism and the Bushes of the world to suck their attention and make them think about them all the time. Again just because I sometimes only post political stuff you are miss judging that that's all I think about. Sometimes I post other things including stuff on tantra, movies, electronics and maybe even some of my experiences being involved with TM. The internet has shrunk the world with consequences that I don't think the matrix anticipated and they're not happy about it. So I like to bring these things up from time to time. Again if you don't like my political posts, don't read them. And I have other friends who are much more political than I. In fact I would say there are other folks here who are more political than I. We can't afford to ignore Bush and his cronies. And I have fun poking fun at them. :D And besides you
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, nothing in the 'vedic scripture' proscribes this particular distinction about funeral rites. No separation by gender from scripture in Shastra and the like, hence this particular funeral part about gender Jim-crow is not 'Vedic'. It was conceived. All the relations present, men and women bow to the dead. Finally the corpse is put upon a ladder-like bier of bamboo and borne by four persons on their shoulders to the crematin ground, the priest and the chief mourner (who holds the sacred fire for burning the dead body) walking in front of the bier. Women do not accompany a funeral procession. http://www.nagpuronline.com/people/rit_hndu.html Not vedic, it was just in the choreography and power-tripping of this unique event. Keeping the Westerners at bay in a way too. The Indian movement was respectful when they had to be, but evidently not as inclusive. Inner and outer circles. You'll notice Nadir Ram walked behind and was not in their boat? It was just part of the story there. Nobody stood up for the women when it could have been done, except those soldiers later in the story. Probably as likely that nobody wanted to deal with or work out the logistics. So it boiled down to: Just tell them its 'Vedic', and keep them out.
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Well, nothing in the 'vedic scripture' proscribes this particular distinction about funeral rites. No separation by gender from scripture in Shastra and the like, hence this particular funeral part about gender Jim-crow is not 'Vedic'. It was conceived. All the relations present, men and women bow to the dead. Finally the corpse is put upon a ladder-like bier of bamboo and borne by four persons on their shoulders to the crematin ground, the priest and the chief mourner (who holds the sacred fire for burning the dead body) walking in front of the bier. Women do not accompany a funeral procession. http://www.nagpuronline.com/people/rit_hndu.html Not vedic, it was just in the choreography and power-tripping of this unique event. That a woman should be allowed to perform the last rites of a Hindu in one of the most holy places has a special significance. For, the authorities of Ujjain's Mahaakaal temple duly approved the act. Ashes from adjoining Shipra Ghat (cremation ground) are used to propitiate Lord Shiva in the daily morning bhasma aarati (ritual in which ashes are used) in this famous temple. Around the time Sandhya was challenging the Hindu custom of not allowing women to enter cremation grounds, another young woman was setting a similar example in Allahabad, one of the holiest of holy Hindu pilgrim centres. http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030914/herworld.htm#4
[FairfieldLife] Women and the Path to Enlightenment
If you have read the incredible work Cave in the Snow: Tenzin Palmo's Quest for Enlightenment, you will really appreciate this announcement. Thanks to Vaj for turning me on to this wisdom Dakini. Check out her web site (especially the picture of the yogis who are sharing their Knowledge on this whole trip). Not only are these women sharing our western, beyond gender slant on Enlightenment, they are going beyond the limitations of the east and incorporating these change *in the east*. And they are sharing the wisdom of the male yogis as they do so. It's what I always dreamed of. Maybe some of the women enslaved in cults like the TM org (mother divine) can now gain the courage to tread an honest path...and those who want to support a path for those women truly interested in a path to real enlightenment, will be enpowered to do so. So mote it be! Kala* A small step for Tenzin Palmo, a Greap Leap for Womankind in Spirituality: Jetsunbma Tenzin Palmo enthronement announcement From: joan stanley-baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] This Tibetan Buddhist tradition used to have women priestesses up till the fourteenth century, I believe when their authority was slowly removed shred by shred till they are not even given literacy in the recent centuries but used only to serve tea I am happy to bring this triumph to the list. It has been a very long struggle, for this English Buddhist nun who sat for 12 years in a cave high up in the Himalayas... to arrive at the honoured place given her here... What she seeks is women's rights in spiritual practice and attainment, and slowly, step by tiny step she is getting there. Check her website http://www.gatsal.org/ Here just to share a soft hurrahhh... An email contact is dongyu gatsal [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joan Joan Stanley-Baker MLitt DPhil Oxon Emeritus Professor, Tainan National University of the Arts #15, Lane 6 DaHeng Road,Yangmingshan, Shilin, Taipei 11191 ROC
[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
This is good. Your encyclo source is saying then that it was a traditional Hindu funeral. Different than Vedic. Same thing i got from asking around to other sources. As in, Vedic is based on vedic scripture; and as such, older than the religion of Hinduism. Hence, the funeral was evidently 'traditional' Hindu, by these rites. Not necessarily Vedic just because they say it was. Keeping women out at Hindu funerals that way evidently is not necessarily vedic by this or universally recognized there. Is Hindu apparently. So i am told by people who seem to know these things. Enlighten me some more if you know otherwise. Thanks for your e-mails. Regardless, was odd feeling for people who had come to pay their respects. Western women and Indian women, who had come there were 'held back' in areas at a remote location. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Well, nothing in the 'vedic scripture' proscribes this particular distinction about funeral rites. No separation by gender from scripture in Shastra and the like, hence this particular funeral part about gender Jim-crow is not 'Vedic'. It was conceived. All the relations present, men and women bow to the dead. Finally the corpse is put upon a ladder-like bier of bamboo and borne by four persons on their shoulders to the crematin ground, the priest and the chief mourner (who holds the sacred fire for burning the dead body) walking in front of the bier. Women do not accompany a funeral procession. http://www.nagpuronline.com/people/rit_hndu.html Not vedic, it was just in the choreography and power-tripping of this unique event. Keeping the Westerners at bay in a way too. The Indian movement was respectful when they had to be, but evidently not as inclusive. Inner and outer circles. You'll notice Nadir Ram walked behind and was not in their boat? It was just part of the story there. Nobody stood up for the women when it could have been done, except those soldiers later in the story. Probably as likely that nobody wanted to deal with or work out the logistics. So it boiled down to: Just tell them its 'Vedic', and keep them out.
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[FairfieldLife] Re: FW: eye-witness at the cremation
Who specifically told you to leave? Was it a westerner? That would seem inappropriate in India FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is good. Your encyclo source is saying then that it was a traditional Hindu funeral. Different than Vedic. Same thing i got from asking around to other sources. As in, Vedic is based on vedic scripture; and as such, older than the religion of Hinduism. Hence, the funeral was evidently 'traditional' Hindu, by these rites. Not necessarily Vedic just because they say it was. Keeping women out at Hindu funerals that way evidently is not necessarily vedic by this or universally recognized there. Is Hindu apparently. So i am told by people who seem to know these things. Enlighten me some more if you know otherwise. Thanks for your e-mails. Regardless, was odd feeling for people who had come to pay their respects. Western women and Indian women, who had come there were 'held back' in areas at a remote location. -Doug in FF --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael soulchild@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5 dhamiltony2k5@ wrote: Well, nothing in the 'vedic scripture' proscribes this particular distinction about funeral rites. No separation by gender from scripture in Shastra and the like, hence this particular funeral part about gender Jim-crow is not 'Vedic'. It was conceived. All the relations present, men and women bow to the dead. Finally the corpse is put upon a ladder-like bier of bamboo and borne by four persons on their shoulders to the crematin ground, the priest and the chief mourner (who holds the sacred fire for burning the dead body) walking in front of the bier. Women do not accompany a funeral procession. http://www.nagpuronline.com/people/rit_hndu.html Not vedic, it was just in the choreography and power-tripping of this unique event. Keeping the Westerners at bay in a way too. The Indian movement was respectful when they had to be, but evidently not as inclusive. Inner and outer circles. You'll notice Nadir Ram walked behind and was not in their boat? It was just part of the story there. Nobody stood up for the women when it could have been done, except those soldiers later in the story. Probably as likely that nobody wanted to deal with or work out the logistics. So it boiled down to: Just tell them its 'Vedic', and keep them out.
[FairfieldLife] U.S. Governors' Family Chat with Raja Hagelin - SAT, MARCH 8
Dear Governor of the Age of Enlightenment, You are cordially invited to participate an Internet video conference with John Hagelin, the Raja of Invincible America. This first Governors' Family Chat will begin at 2:00 PM (ET), 1:00 PM (CT), 12:00 PM (MT), and 11:00 AM (PT). The topics will include: ~ The Future of the Movement ~ Announcing New Initiatives ~ Showcasing Successful Strategies ~ Q A To register, go to: http://invincibleamerica.org/govfamilychat/ We look forward to your participation. Jai Guru Dev Office of Raja John Hagelin P.S. This meeting is open to all Governors. Please share this announcement. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1316 - Release Date: 3/6/2008 6:58 PM To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Hot head in the White House?
It is not difficult in Washington to find high-level military officials who have had close encounters with John McCain's temper, and who find it worrisome. Politicians sometimes scream for effect, but the concern is that McCain has, at times, come across as out of control. It is difficult to find current or former officers willing to describe those encounters in detail on the record. That's because, by and large, those officers admire McCain. But that doesn't mean they want his finger on the proverbial button, and they are supporting Clinton or Obama instead. I like McCain. I respect McCain. But I am a little worried by his knee-jerk response factor, said retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004 and is now campaigning for Clinton. I think it is a little scary. I think this guy's first reactions are not necessarily the best reactions. I believe that he acts on impulse. I studied leadership for a long time during 32 years in the military, said retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, a one-time Republican who is supporting Obama. It is all about character. Who can motivate willing followers? Who has the vision? Who can inspire people? Gration asked. I have tremendous respect for John McCain, but I would not follow him. One of the things the senior military would like to see when they go visit the president is a kind of consistency, a kind of reliability, explained retired Gen. Merrill McPeak, a former Republican, former chief of staff of the Air Force and former fighter pilot who flew 285 combat missions. McPeak said his perception is that Obama is not that up when he is up and not that down when he is down. He is kind of a steady Eddie. This is a very important feature, McPeak said. On the other hand, he said, McCain has got a reputation for being a little volatile. McPeak is campaigning for Obama. Stephen Wayne, a political science professor at Georgetown who is studying the personalities of the presidential candidates, agrees McCain's temperament is of real concern. The anger is there, Wayne said. If McCain is the one to answer the phone at 3 a.m., he said, you worry about an initial emotive, less rational response. Most recently, Wayne has been studying Clinton's personality. I just gave a presentation on Hillary's temperament for the presidency. I came to the conclusion that it is not really a good presidential temperament, with one caveat -- if you compare it with McCain's. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/06/commander_in_chief/
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Governors' Family Chat with Raja Hagelin - SAT, MARCH 8
Please submit your questions for Raja Hagelin here: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Governor of the Age of Enlightenment, You are cordially invited to participate an Internet video conference with John Hagelin, the Raja of Invincible America. This first Governors' Family Chat will begin at 2:00 PM (ET), 1:00 PM (CT), 12:00 PM (MT), and 11:00 AM (PT). The topics will include: ~ The Future of the Movement ~ Announcing New Initiatives ~ Showcasing Successful Strategies ~ Q A To register, go to: http://invincibleamerica.org/govfamilychat/ We look forward to your participation. Jai Guru Dev Office of Raja John Hagelin P.S. This meeting is open to all Governors. Please share this announcement.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Governors' Family Chat with Raja Hagelin - SAT, MARCH 8
On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:35 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Please submit your questions for Raja Hagelin here: Dear Raja Hagelin, When will the world end? I want to be ready. Thanks. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: U.S. Governors' Family Chat with Raja Hagelin - SAT, MARCH 8
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:35 PM, dhamiltony2k5 wrote: Please submit your questions for Raja Hagelin here: Dear Raja Hagelin, When will the world end? I want to be ready. Thanks. Sal Dear Raja Hagelin, Is Beowulf ever coming back? Thanks. OffWorld
[FairfieldLife] Re: Hot head in the White House?
To All: The American electorate has a chance to determine the nation's course during the presidential election later this year. The two main issues will be the economy and the war in Iraq. The most serious of the two is the war, which begs the question if the USA can afford to continue or start another war anywhere in the world. Given McCain's stated policy on the Iraq war, IMO he is showing a preference for war rather than diplomacy. In common parlance, he has the tendency to shoot from the hip. It is not good for the American people to follow this man. I hope that the American public has the capability to see through this man's character. Regards, John R. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is not difficult in Washington to find high-level military officials who have had close encounters with John McCain's temper, and who find it worrisome. Politicians sometimes scream for effect, but the concern is that McCain has, at times, come across as out of control. It is difficult to find current or former officers willing to describe those encounters in detail on the record. That's because, by and large, those officers admire McCain. But that doesn't mean they want his finger on the proverbial button, and they are supporting Clinton or Obama instead. I like McCain. I respect McCain. But I am a little worried by his knee-jerk response factor, said retired Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, who was in charge of training the Iraqi military from 2003 to 2004 and is now campaigning for Clinton. I think it is a little scary. I think this guy's first reactions are not necessarily the best reactions. I believe that he acts on impulse. I studied leadership for a long time during 32 years in the military, said retired Air Force Maj. Gen. Scott Gration, a one- time Republican who is supporting Obama. It is all about character. Who can motivate willing followers? Who has the vision? Who can inspire people? Gration asked. I have tremendous respect for John McCain, but I would not follow him. One of the things the senior military would like to see when they go visit the president is a kind of consistency, a kind of reliability, explained retired Gen. Merrill McPeak, a former Republican, former chief of staff of the Air Force and former fighter pilot who flew 285 combat missions. McPeak said his perception is that Obama is not that up when he is up and not that down when he is down. He is kind of a steady Eddie. This is a very important feature, McPeak said. On the other hand, he said, McCain has got a reputation for being a little volatile. McPeak is campaigning for Obama. Stephen Wayne, a political science professor at Georgetown who is studying the personalities of the presidential candidates, agrees McCain's temperament is of real concern. The anger is there, Wayne said. If McCain is the one to answer the phone at 3 a.m., he said, you worry about an initial emotive, less rational response. Most recently, Wayne has been studying Clinton's personality. I just gave a presentation on Hillary's temperament for the presidency. I came to the conclusion that it is not really a good presidential temperament, with one caveat -- if you compare it with McCain's. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/03/06/commander_in_chief/
Irmeli: (Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Religion as Opium)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Irmeli, your question is right on the money. Hitler was schooled in Le Bon's 1895 The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind. It is still a good source for how social engineering is done. Young Dove recently posted an excellent rant on how easy it is to sway the masses. It is the result of education or, rather, programming, and brainwashing that you see in the Muslim world today. You can also see it in American fundamentalists and in the American black community. I think it goes far deeper than that. I remember even MMY said that people get the kind of leaders they deserve. I perceive the reason of the Muslim world being stuck in many places to medieval times, is due to the structure of their religion. In it there are ultimate beliefs that are not easy to go beyond, transcend to a higher level. One is the command that women have to be always fully submissive to their husband, father etc. Another is that the government of a state can never been separated from Islam. Islam is the state. Third is that these commands are the eternal truth, and cannot never be criticized. By doing so you are going to eternal hell. But if you have made some transgressions, becoming a martyr guarantees your place in heaven. Islam is a religion based on fear. This fear keeps its followers on the level of shame/honour communication. This is bound to create violence and retaliation. Irmeli
[FairfieldLife] FW: A university where everyone meditates.
A university where everyone meditates. If you are having problems viewing this email, please click here to view the web version. Be sure to add [EMAIL PROTECTED] to your address book list to ensure future email deliveries. Enjoying this note? Please forward it on! A university where everyone meditates. This blew me away. In April, David Lynch and Moby (along with a number of other luminaries) are joining together for a weekend on Creativity, Sustainability, and Peace. This is big news in itself, but what's even more impressive, to me, is who's hosting the weekend. Maharishi University of Management (MUM) is a school in Iowa that offers programs much like those found in any mainstream university—from a BA in Computer Science to an MBA in Sustainability—but it's unique in that it provides consciousness-based education: all students learn Transcendental Meditation as part of the curriculum. This seems like one of those compelling pieces of evidence that the world really IS changing and that the shift so many of us speak of is having an effect. I mean, really. Did you ever dream we'd see meditation as a part of a standard university program? If you're at all intrigued by this, now's an excellent time to find out more. Again, in April, the university is holding its Visitors Weekend on Consciousness, Creativity, Sustainability, and Peace. If you know anyone who'd be interested, or if you're personally curious about a university that incorporates the development of consciousness and awareness into the standard fields of study, then have a look: The details of the weekend are as follows: When: April 25 to 28 Where: Maharishi University of Management (MUM), Fairfield, Iowa What: The schedule can be found here, though highlights include the following: Filmmaker David Lynch: Catching the Big Fish: Creativity and Pure Consciousness Brain researcher Fred Travis, PhD: What happens to your brain when you meditate? (includes a live brain wave demonstration) Physicist John Hagelin, PhD: “Quantum physics and consciousness—going beyond thought” Donovan, with special guest Moby: A free concert for all visitors You can find out more (and register) here: http://www.lynchweekend.org. It's an amazing opportunity to hear some incredible speakers (not to mention seeing a few performances); all the participants are volunteering their time because they believe in the school's core values. Even if you're not interested, please pass this on! MUM is a wonderful example of what more universities could do. Part of what's so great about the program is that it's a model that works: graduates have gone on to schools such as Harvard Business School, Johns Hopkins Medical School, Stanford, Yale, and others, and (perhaps even better...), ACTs national alumni survey found out that MUM's alumni are more satisfied with their college education than graduates from over 1,000 other colleges. To me this seems obvious—they're given time to meditate and supported in developing their own awareness, and after all, how can any of us expect to fulfill our educational potential if our inner creative potential isn't cultivated as well? (Still, sometimes those who haven't yet explored such practices can use a little convincing. :) Have a look, though, and imagine what the world would be like if all educational institutions were like this. Here's to a future where our inner awareness balances the outer... Siona (and the Gaia Team) PS. One more thing. :) The David Lynch Foundation, which helped sponsor this newsletter, just announced that all new students who enroll at Maharishi University will receive a scholarship covering the full tuition for the Transcendental Meditation course... so anyone who attends will get this benefit for free. 152,686 other cool people get this newsletter. Siona Synchronicity Coordinator G'kar lucid dreamer wanderer7 Wanderer 7 rudyan prairie light Portia
[FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi University meals transcend mundane cafeteria food
Yum Yum- Typical Movement Grub: Carbs, Fats and Plenty of Sugars, with no real protein. Sounds like an enlightened recipe for chubby graduates and high blood sugar professors. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Dick Mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008803060367 Maharishi University meals transcend mundane cafeteria food BY ERIN JORDAN * DES MOINES REGISTER IOWA CITY BUREAU * MARCH 6, 2008 Fairfield, Ia. -- There's no mystery meat in this cafeteria. In fact, there's no meat at all. Food served in the dining hall of the new $7.5 million Argiro Student Center of the Maharishi University of Management in Fairfield is 100 percent vegetarian, and almost exclusively organic. Some of the vegetables served to students, staff and the public come from campus farms and greenhouses. From left, Nisha Nahal, 24, and Binita Kachhepati, 25, both freshmen from Nepal, join Vedic science professor Patricia Oates for lunch at Maharishi University of Management's new Argiro Student Center. The 563 on-campus students come from 68 nations. Students eating wheat-crust pizza, homemade herb bread and potato and artichoke salad during a lunch last week said the vegetarian food makes them feel good. It's amazing, said Amber Price, 21, of Lincoln, Neb. We have this quality of food, and we can share it together. Price, who became a vegetarian at age 15, jokes that half the reason she transferred to Maharishi from the University of Nebraska was the food in Fairfield. Maharishi University of Management's Argiro Student Center is a 50,000 square-foot facility on the Fairfield campus. It houses student lounges, an auditorium, student government, meeting rooms, the dining hall and the World Peace Cafe. The school cafeteria is also open to the public. A fee of $6 per person is charged for breakfast, and it's $8 each for lunch and dinner. Bonita Carol, 44, a massage therapist from Fairfield, stopped in for lunch last week with a friend. I think the food is really delicious, Carol said. I'm interested in maintaining a healthy physiology. I feel good after I eat here. The dining hall is on the top floor of the 50,000-square-foot center, built with the principles of Vedic architecture, which requires natural materials and an east-facing entrance. The center will be the school's student hub - with lounges, auditorium, student government offices, meeting rooms and the World Peace Cafe. Students will be able to order pizzas, paninis and other grab-and-go food here. The student center is palatial with marble floors, chandeliers and a stained glass window. As a reminder that the building was intended for mass use, there is a sign at the door that says due to damage, cleats and ice traction devices are not allowed inside. Maharishi University of Management, established in 1974 by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, the founder of Transcendental Meditation, has long provided vegetarian fare for students and staff. The university doesn't serve caffeine on campus, so there aren't any Starbucks kiosks or pop machines. The Pepsi machine located in the basement of the student center is for the construction workers who are still putting finishing touches on the building, administrators said this week. The faculty has made it a point to consider every aspect of a student's experience here, said Craig Pearson, the university's executive vice president. What you eat plays an important role in how you feel and even how you learn. During the past eight or nine years, the school has replaced food grown with pesticides or herbicides with organic food. The new dining center is 90 percent to 95 percent organic, and much of the food comes from local producers, such as Radiance Dairy in Fairfield. Maharishi farm manager Steve McLaskey provides the dining hall with vegetables and fruit from the campus farm during the summer and grows greens and cherry tomatoes in the greenhouse during the winter. Head chef Don Bowman, who came to the school in August 2006, learned about vegetarian cooking while working in food service at the University of California in Berkeley from 1984 to 1999. He was the lead chef at Berkeley for almost five years, cooking for university leaders, regents and visitors, including movie actors Jane Fonda and Mel Gibson. Berkeley's dining halls shifted toward organic food in the mid-1990s and the university now has about 25 percent organic food, Bowman said. Demand for vegetarian and organic food in college dining halls is growing nationwide, said Carol Petersen, vice president for the National Association of College and University Food Services Midwest region and associate director of dining at Iowa State University. People want to know where their food is coming from, Petersen said. Some urban colleges have all-organic convenience stores and even large universities like (Iowa State University) are
