Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch
you better set Michael straight, Sal, and Barry too, for that matter. they are both under the impression that TM is, like, totally ineffective, baby meditation. but here you are describing it as a strong gateway "drug" heaven help us! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Appreciate you sharing the story. It serves to illustrate what total complete assholes the Movement is made of and what incredibly stupid mentality is encouraged and taught in the Movement. And these are the people who want to teach our kids meditation in schools? No thanks. I think it's quite sweet how they believe this stuff just because Marshy said so, and then go around claiming "nature support" and other bizarre powers. But every religion has its own little language and way of deluding themselves, I could live among them only because they tell you during the teaching process that you don't have to change your beliefs. I held them to it, and they didn't like me reminding them, apparently I was "supposed" to have absorbed the teaching by the time I was a well practised "siddha". How we all laughed I agree with you about schools though, I've no objection to kids learning to meditate but TM is such a strong gateway drug it's easy to get swept up in the hyperbole, and if you show any sort of keenness that gets put on the database and you get invited to donate to pundits and yagyas and all that bull. Some of them will even end up bouncing around on their backsides for hours every day. Keep religion out of schools. That's what I say. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2014 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : C'mon! They didn't really claim Lynch's smoking is his self referral?? Of course they did! The statement means nothing so it can be co-opted to support anything you like. I had it explained to me by our "raja", he said that what you do is close your eyes and look inwards at your "self" and it will tell you if something is right. I always that that was called desire or even just agreeing with yourself and didn't know why the TMO gave it a special name but it's like that with a lot of kooky spiritual stuff, makes them think they have better life skills than the rest of us. The example he used on me was astrology, when I told I thought it was a crock he said he wondered about it too until he looked at his "self" and found he agreed with himself. (?) Maybe we should do that with 9/11 conspiracies and see how the "self" guides us. LOL. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] D Lynch ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : He'd probably weigh over 300 pounds if he quit both. I think Bevan Morris should get back on the fags then, and Hagelin is looking a but chubby these days. I can just see them on the Marshy channel stubbing one out in an ashtray and swigging back the dregs of a 'cino before puja. It's vedic, they'll cough. They had to find a way of excusing Lynchees habits, so they claimed it was self-referral. Like that explains anything at all. He is probably typical American pitta-kapha and kapha dominant too much of the time. Those two substances are known in ayurveda to reduce kapha. My late tantra guru probably would not have have died of congestive heart failure if he had not quit smoking. He immediately put on weight when he quit. I also think that people who are kapha will be less likely get emphysema from smoking as that tends to happen more with vata types. Creative people often fight with having a creative mindset and being able to act on it. For instance a lot of jazz musicians were bright people who easily learned their instruments and music theory but a bit too high strung to play well without some help from drugs (or some meditation). On 10/11/2014 11:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: "I must have a very high tolerance for caffeine," he says. "I always associated smoking and drinking coffee with the art life. They go hand in hand. There's something about drinking coffee and smoking that makes me happy and facilitates thinking. I just really love those things." - David Lynch
[FairfieldLife] Re: Turn up, tune out and drop one.
sal, please re-visit it yourself. it could help with this rut you've sort of fallen into. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Get tripping Fairfield, it could be the answer to your problems: Is it Time to Legalize Psychedelic Medicines for Therapeutic Use? http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html Is it Time to Legalize Psychedelic Medicines for ... http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html The media has been buzzing all year about the healing potential of psychedelic medicines. With a plethora of new research… View on themindunleashed.org http://themindunleashed.org/2014/09/time-legalize-psychedelic-medicines-therapeutic-use.html Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Sophisticated Pre-Columbian Native American Civilizations and Cultures
there is business establishment I visit nearly every week, and so drive by the Cahokia Mounds on that trip. Sometimes my daughter is with me, and we will climb it for a bit of exercise. If I go on the weekend, as the road there is populated by Hispanic eateries and stores, I will sometimes stop and get something to eat. On Saturdays, there is a guy who sells trays of fresh fruit, and I always stop and get one. Fresh mango, watermelon, honeydew, pineapple and some other fruits. Those are the fruits I get plus a few pieces of cucumber. I tell him I want salt, only on the cucumbers and lime juice on the rest. Sometimes he forgets. Yesterday it was lime juice on everything. What I still can't get over, is the toppings the Hispanics go for. Almost in every case they get cayenne pepper on the fruit, and sometimes I think even ketchup. Or maybe it is a sweet syrup. Trying to figure that one out. I'm always trying to pick up some vibe when I drive by the mounds, or climb up, but so far nothing has registered. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Native American Cahokia Mounds Near St Louis http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaM... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg View on www.legendsofameric... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg Preview by Yahoo Description: Cahokia was the largest and most influential urban settlement in the Mississippian culture which developed advanced societies across much of what is now the central and southeastern United States, beginning more than 500 years before European contact. Cahokia was the largest urban center north of the great Mesoamerican cities in Mexico. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMounds-old.jpg Location: Cahokia is located on the site of a pre-Columbian Native American city (c. 600–1400 CE) situated directly across the Mississippi River from modern St. Louis, Missouri. The existing park covers about 3.5 square miles, and contains about 80 mounds, but the ancient city was actually much larger. At its peak, Cahokia covered about six square miles and included about 120 human-made earthen mounds in a wide range of sizes, shapes, and functions. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt... http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg View on 4.bp.blogspot.com http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-aPlDR5-ZrN4/TxMnJqWmt9I/A0k/ajQ9S_Si0Xs/s1600/Cahokia-Reconst.jpg Preview by Yahoo Population: Cahokia's population at its peak in the 1200s would not be surpassed by any city in the United States until the late 18th century. Although it was home to only about 1,000 people before c. 1050, its population grew explosively after that date. Archaeologists estimate the city's population at between 6,000 and 40,000 at its peak, with more people living in outlying farming villages that supplied the main urban center. If the highest population estimates are correct, Cahokia was larger than any subsequent city in the United States until the 1780s, when Philadelphia's population grew beyond 40,000. Age: Although there is some evidence of Late Archaic period (approximately 1200 BCE) occupation in and around the site,[6] Cahokia as it is now defined was settled around 1200 CE during the Late Woodland period. Metallurgy: 1950s by archaeologist Greg Perino found the only known copper workshop to be found at a Mississippian site. The area contains the remains of three tree stumps thought to have been used to hold anvil stones. Analysis of copper found during excavations showed that it had been annealed, a technique involving repeatedly heating and cooling the metal as it is worked, such as blacksmiths do with iron. http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaM... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg View on www.legendsofameric... http://www.legendsofamerica.com/photos-illinois/CahokiaMoundsPast-600.jpg Preview by
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Sophisticated Pre-Columbian Native American Civilizations and Cultures
What to do? There is even structure there called Moundhenge that was made during the harmonic convergence, I believe. I drive past that as well. Now, I will admit, that the other day, I went off a side road right next to the main mound to see if there was a place I could park and maybe hunt around for some artifacts. Yes, I admit it. But, I couldn't really find a place where I could hide my car. Now, I could just park in the mound area parking lot, and walk around to the forested area behind it, but I just haven't gotten around to doing that yet. But, the last time my daughter and I went, it was at sunset, and it was pretty nice. Of course there was a man up there doing some kind of strange ritual, who seemed bothered by our presence. I think he must have been Native American in some respect, although you wouldn't have known it by looking at him. The Cahokia Mounds Museum and Interactive Center right across the road is pretty neat. I've been there several times. And of course, St. Louis still carries the nickname, Mound City because of all the mounds in its vicinity. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/12/2014 7:15 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'm always trying to pick up some vibe when I drive by the mounds, or climb up, but so far nothing has registered. > Stupas all over the place! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cahokia
[FairfieldLife] Re: Duped into thinking you could fly?
I'm sure you'll have your hand out. Gimme! Gimme! And we can watch you, declaring how you are doing this strictly in the public interest! Sad isn't it? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I think they should also be sued for encouraging littering! I tried one of these energy drinks once, never again. I was frothing at the mouth and babbling all night. Highly speedy. I can't believe they are legal for adults let alone children, and some people knock them back like I drink water! I think a class action suit against the TMO would be workable and lucrative because it's actually taught that the TMSP develops paranormal powers (the clue is in the name) and they even publish "scientific" lectures about how it works to entice the unwary into thinking there's a physical basis for it all. Given the amount of time I spent doing it when I could have been earning a decent crust, I would say that a round figure of £1 million ought to ease the pain of still being held to the ground by gravity. I might want an extra million to compensate me for the embarrassment of having to admit I fell for it too. Now we can watch the TB's claiming they only learnt for self improvement reasons and don;t care that they never developed any magical powers. Insert spluttering protests here: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Did you fall for the hype about being able to levitate? Are you angry about the cash you lost chasing that dream of flying? Do your friends and acquaintances now laugh at you for being so credulous? Good news! You may be entitled to compensation. Energy drink "Red Bull" settled two class-action lawsuits this week, agreeing to pay $13 million because their famous slogan 'Red Bull gives you wings' isn't true. Anyone who bought a drink from January 1, 2002 to October 3, 2014 is eligible to receive a $10 cash payment - regardless of whether there was a receipt for proof. Here's one of the ads they ran. If people can now sue for such obviously idiotic claims it only goes to show what a dumbed-down society we are living in. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K31dg86OmuM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K31dg86OmuM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Can someone help me with this? Has Barry moved towards the Michael mindset, or has Michael inched up towards the TB mindset. At any rate, they have become absofuckingly indistinquishable from another. Two TM Obsessives who positively live off whatever what is going on with TM. Or, would "feed off", be a better phrase. What Barry doesn't realize, when he pines for Marek and Curtis, and (yes, pines away is the right term), is that evidently they do have other interests. You know, the comment Barry often throws out when referring to people he considers TBers, "people who have no other lives other than TM" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" I can't help but see the fact that what the Movement mainly uses TM for is to get more converts to make more money. They are not out there doing anything substantive to improve the quality of life for people - they promote TM to promote TM, not to do anything else. (from my point of view) Absofuckinglutely.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Barry, I'm not sure when you decided to skew everything in such a way to cast a negative light on the TM organization. I think there was a time when you felt as though you could engage in discourse that wasn't 100% agenda. Oh wait, FLASH. The arrival of your acolyte, one Mr. Michael Jackson. Nevermind. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just imagine the headline/teaser? Leaders Of TM Cult Freak Out Over Advice From Beyond The Grave Sent By Original "Sexy Sadie" Guru Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
It sounds like you really got suckered into this enlightenment thing. TM, if anything is a path for those seeking something. You see a teacher, who has something that sounds interesting. You listen to what he, or she says, and decide if you want to take the next step. There is a goal discussed, not only by the teacher, but in different texts, and described in similar fashion by other teachers. I don't think anyone, perhaps other than Barry, took this 5-7 years as some hard and fast promise. If the teacher exaggerated in this regard, then you can hold it against him, and leave. And then from that point on, call anyone else who remains, a True Believer, a cult apologist, a sycophant. Or you take a more mature view, and realize, that you are on the path, and that is pretty cool, and you notice a deepening of your experience over time, along the lines of what the teacher said were milestones along this path. It's not complicated. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : CORRECTION: Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Enlightenment Discussed By Maharishi http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Maharishi on Enlightenment (excerpts from an interview) What is the goal of Transcendental Meditation? Maharishi: “The goal of the Transcendental View on www.tm.org http://www.tm.org/enlightenment Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months. **It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment.** The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
Michael, let me try to clue you in, since you are so fuckin' dense. (pardon my language) There is sometimes a cycle to things. Like grief, for example. Or disbelief for example. Somethings create a bit of "stir" at first, and then they fade. What would be the exceptions to this? People who obsess about things, and are not able to let go. Or people with an agenda that is impervious to common sense, or who remain locked in to a point of view. Think on it. Maybe pray on it. Some wisdom may sink in. Good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : the fact that Hagelin felt it enough of a threat to address it in an offical "Private and Confidential" letter to Certified Governors is more than enough to show you are blustering and posturing, trying to salvage the old good feelings you used to have that Marshy and the Movement were something to be proud of and proud of being associated with them. From: feste37 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 According to a recent poll here in Fairfield, 100% of meditators are not the slightest bit interested in the Hammond thing. Those interested registered at 0%. Details of the poll: conducted between Oct. 12 and 13. Number of respondents: 5. Margin of error: zero. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. Are they? Is it possible that anyone is taking this seriously beyond the fact that a few here are just dying to be able to talk about all of it on Dec 1 here at FFL? I think the Movement Mockers are getting the most mileage out of this so far that I can see but then, I'm not in FF. What are the feelings there of the people you know and talk to, Feste? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on "assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
you miss the point Barry. You are simply a button pusher, with no real interest in anything other than trying to get a rise out of people, and assert your superior outlook on life. A funny way to live, but if it brings you some modicum of happiness, then stay with it it, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 12:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement What I find difficult to comprehend is how grown men like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby can *possibly* get their panties so in a twist when someone criticizes a group they first identified with 20 to 40 years ago. Did these guys just never *grow up*? HOW can anyone *possibly* get uptight when someone criticizes a teacher they once worked with years ago? Especially one who is (wait for it) DEAD? HOW can someone get pissed off when someone criticizes something they *believe* in? Don't they *realize* that beliefs are just transitory thoughts, which, like thoughts during meditation, should just be ignored as they pass by and not held onto? HOW could they possibly be so *attached* to these things they were taught to believe in decades ago? Finally, HOW can they get so uptight when someone such as myself or Salyavin or Michael reminds them that THEY JUST AREN'T NEARLY AS IMPORTANT AS THEY THINK THEY ARE? There is NO ONE on this forum who has accomplished much of *anything* with their lives, as measured by either riches or fame. Certainly no TM TB on this forum has ever accomplished much of anything. What is WRONG with reminding these people how fuckin' ORDINARY they are? It's difficult for people like Doug/Buck or Steve or Lawson or Nabby to make a case for TM *not* being a cult when they act so much like cultists. Who ELSE in the world acts the way they do OTHER THAN cultists? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified legal department trying to stop them. Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be floating anyway huh? Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in life. I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something that they
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
sort of a funny comment below, Barry. again, I think it misses the mark, but if that's the way you see it... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Beautifully, beautifully written Sal! Buck just can't stand the thought the whole deal was a con, so he grasps at straws. Funny thing is, I don't say anything that Buck hasn't already said, he doesn't like how things are run and quotes a great many of his friends who like TM but don't have anything to do with the movement. It's the oldest story there is. And it's only the cultish greed and madness of the Maharishi and the TMO that drove the indie teachers away in the first place. I know because I was there! All they want to do is teach what they think is the best thing on Earth and they weren't allowed to because of the high prices and control freakery in Vlodrop. So they bailed. They think that Marshy lost the plot in his later years and didn't know what he was doing, so they continue to teach what they were taught by him when he was more compos mentis. All in their opinion of course, but looking at the way things went after Scorpionland and the "rajas" maybe they are on the smart side of history, it isn't like any of it has been popular with anyone but the hardcore. And it was alienating to the rest of us. I honestly thought Buck would be happy about more people learning TM but I don't think he is. Go figure. I honestly think that Buck and Nabby and (increasingly) Steve just don't respond to positive stimuli any more. They've been cultists for so long that the only thing that seems to make them "happy" is the belief that they're being "persecuted." Because if they're worth persecuting, they're "important."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
hey, you are doing a good job, (in your mind, at least) if that is your goal. the thought occurred to me, MJ, that you, like others, may have had the situation where the battery on your cell phone seems to run out of juice too soon. You check it out, and find that you have too many apps or features running which use up all the power. so, sure, you've elected to make this mission one of your life goals. The question might be, what is it taking time from? this of course is unlike Barry who has indicated he writes his posts at lightning speed, never proof reads and spends maybe five or ten minutes a day here. To which I say, really? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : part of what I do with my life is tell the unvarnished truth about liar Marshy and his cons, rather than whitewash and sugar coat the facts about who and what he was and what his very unpleasant legacy is. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their "critical, life changing, important and ever fresh", insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, "Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?"
Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting
Michael, I hope you find the Cinderella story you are so desperately seeking. Until then, spend your time on the bashing. I guess another word for self medication. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : there is no such thing Share - we are just a lot of people who aren't afraid to see the truth and to speak it out. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, your cult is the anti TMO cult, the let's be negative about people and places we've had no direct experience with in decades cult. Though I admit the name needs to be shortened! Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: you are full of it Share - for Buck to not recognize Hagelin's desire that his and the other TMO leaders to be accepted without question no matter what it is is indicative that Buck needs some kind of counseling - he is burying his head in the sand and ignoring the obvious. You are insane to call me a cultist - what is my cult? You who simper and gush over anyone who blabbers about how grand TM is? "Oh yes thank you Richard for giving us that inspiring quote! Oh thank you Steve for sticking up for a movement and a practice you no longer do! How inspiring!" From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting MJ, sometimes a figure of speech is more than that. And your saying that you can't believe Buck is a well functioning person is an example of that. Because he is. But you can't fit that truth into your head, into your worldview, into your operating system. IMHO this is the basic sign of a TBer, a cultist. I think even if you came to FF and saw all the well functioning long term TMers, you still wouldn't "believe" that such a thing is possible. Anyway, still wishing you more peace and happiness. On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 6:44 AM, "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: MJ; Son, you're as bad as Hamas (Abdel Aziz Ali Abdul Majid al-Rantisi, for instance ) and not much better with your constant attack denying even the right of the very existence of the main-line TM community. -Buck mjackson74 wrote : Buck, I can't believe that here you are a grown man, able to drive a tractor, write letters, brew coffee, tend to sheep and everything and you act like you just fell off the turnip truck. Hagelin, Morris, Raja Tony and all the other pin heads that run the Movement don't give a crap what the main line TM community think. They all think that whatever they tell the TM'ers is what the TM community should believe even if it directly contradicts what they have said in the past. Marshy taught them to do this and if you can't see that, then you need to go live in an ashram where you don't have to drive or be out in society or nothing cause you coping and understanding skills would seem to be minimal. Subject: [FairfieldLife] Hammond's Nov. 30 TM Meeting It is the job of a good leadership to cheer-lead the corporate [communal] mission and organization for life in the organization to be effective. I can understand that you may have trouble with this. That is okay as some people 'do groups' better than others. That is a characteristic or skill-set that comes in combination proly somewhere between nature and nurture. But I would expect that John Hagelin should respond and set the record straight as to where the main-line existing TM community is with this. -Buck It certainly is okay that John Hagelin is leading the group this way. Our group here. Not many are able this way. He has my support and I wish him well in success for all of us meditating here, -Buck Still in the Dome turquoiseb wrote : From: feste37 This is just too silly for words. If the emphasis is on "assessing the content," why is it being promoted as being a message from MMY? The truth is that for some weird reason, Hammond is using this ploy to promote his own views. If he just gave a talk himself, no one would be interested. So he has hit on this ludicrous marketing ploy. As I commented earlier, I am astonished that anyone is taking this seriously. While I agree that the whole scenario is too silly for words, what does it say about the incredible gullibility and susceptibility of TMers *that* it's being taken seriously? In what other group would its members actually fall for this? What other group would proactively attempt to squelch it, as "Raja" (that's ludicrous in itself) Hagelin did? This is great theater. I hope *some* reporters actually attend, and write it up or do a TV bit about it. Can't you just i
Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
in your case, you've got it backwards. good luck ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : what you wind up doing is wallowing in the manure and calling it flowers From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi MJ, I prefer to focus on what's beneficial and leave the rest. I believe in dealing with negativity as efficiently as possible rather than wallowing in it. I think wallowing in negativity leads to more of the same, including lack of good health. Still wishing you more peace and happiness... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:34 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: and then he canceled the TM teachers ATR credit, asked for millions to save the world but spent it on himself and screwed a lot of women telling them it was alright but not to tell - and you continue to simper and gush. From: "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Fleetwood, thanks for this. It reminds me of a wonderful story of how a little girl with pen and paper came running up to Maharishi asking him for his autograph. He said, "I'll give you something more important." And he wrote one word on her paper: Enjoy On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 9:11 AM, "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: This great teacher continues to form so much of the subject matter, here on FFL. All of us, spread around the globe, and yet, united, through our association with Maharishi, and the myriad knowledge he brought out. It is so easy to judge a global public figure. Some go at it, as an exercise in compensation, for their own failings, and others to confirm their own set of beliefs. I find it amazing, his reach and influence on all of us. Some of us got off the train early, perhaps fearful of the universal momentum that Maharishi engendered in each of us, and its ability to mechanically dissolve any boundaries. My wife has remarked before, that feelings come first, and the story follows. So it is, if we are always hungry for something, and grasping for whatever it may be. Easy, then, to turn on a public figure, meticulously examining Maharishi's life, even ten years after his passing, for any information, that may be used to point a finger, away from the lack, the gnawing, inside us, and towards him. This public figure, with global influence. Make Maharishi the target, not in any meaningful, or organized way, but simply to deal with the inner feelings of discontent. There is nothing expressed here, about Maharishi, that has not already been examined, to death. And yet, there are a few, who must persist, in their "critical, life changing, important and ever fresh", insults of the man and his work, lest they one day, turn such a critical eye on themselves. My question to them, is simply this, "Life is precious; WTF are you doing with yours?"
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of "his life mission" uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were "certifiably paranoid" and committed to a "them vs. us mentality." I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement It includes the armed men we caught on the bridge between hotels Sonnenberg and Kulm. It also includes dozens of agents that took TTC many of whom went on to Purusha. It also includeds Governors so poor that when they waved a few thousands dollars in front of their anemic noses they did almost anything to make their new masters happy. Not that they had to do much, a weekly report sent to their accounting officer was all that was needed to adhere to the strict rules of economic self-suffisciency always present within the Movement. So when we started looking, which included asking a few questions in the countries they came from, they needed some pretty good explanation to where the money came from. Now, that's what I call a real enemy that was always fun to try to track. They did it not because they had some screews loose but to protect their country, which is a honorable thing to do. The wacko's of today has no such honor and cannot touch the Movement. All they'll accomplish is some momentary swelling of ego's already out of control.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a "new low" Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really "pulling for the organization" up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See "When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo ." While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails"; class="ygrps-yiv-1980499989ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-card-urlWrapper ygrps-yiv-1980499989ygrps-yiv-145149510link-enhancr-element When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Irish Cross on Mars
That is so cool Marty. I like that science. Clean. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The image was taken with a microscopic camera on the rover. It's actually very tiny. Most likely it is the impression of a Phillips Screw Head that touched the surface dust as the camera's arm moved into position.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
the gift that keeps on giving. this from the guy who bragged in detail about all the celestial and refined experiences he had with his practice of TM Yoohoo, Oh, Lurking Reporters. Get ello of of this. A couple months ago, this Mr. Michael Jackson felt the need to trump everyone here with all the great experiences he had as a result of his practice. When it was politely pointed out to him, that he was talking out of both sides of his mouth, he said, "hold on, give me time to come up with a reply", and a couple days later, we were treated to the most idiotic retraction you could possibly imagine. This guy is a piece of work. Cult mentality at work? Study this one! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : just help you feel a bit refreshed on the train on the way home from work. This is what the vast majority of non-True Believers yet TM apologists like Ann and Steve believe - since it made them feel good on the train going home, lets ignore all the other crap that comes with it. As Share loves to gush, don't throw out the baby with the bath water and it is these TM apologists who are not fanatics that give the Movement far more credibility with those who are just getting introduced to TM through D Lynch and his shenanigans than if TM were purely promoted by whack jobs like Nabby and those idiots on the Committee for Stress Free Schools who CLAIM to have no affiliation with the TMO, but are just concerned businessmen who just happen to know TM is the most effective remedy for school problems - no affiliation with the TMO except that is for the pedophile co-directors they have on staff. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of "Maharishi Effects" when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded. I quite agree, but you don't know the half of it. The movement has simply the most extraordinary worldview with revolutionary ideas encompassing and governing literally every aspect of life - the constitution of the universe. You don't just have a human body, you have one that's created by vedic literature. You don't just have a mind, it really is the unified field of all things and only TM can show you the truth of the way things are. I think it's about self aggrandisement, instead of being just a technique it's about being the greatest group of any kind ever. Something to feel elite about, and it has the secret language that keeps the brethren close and reinforces the belief system. It's also better for the organisation that instead of just meditating you are creating world peace - once you've swallowed the concept of non-local consciousness you find there is a range of "technologies" like yagya's for you to invest in that help both you and the world. When you get into thinking in a TMO way, the world is a very different place and the completeness of it is impressive, health, education, war. All controlled by this unified field thingy that, if you are in touch with it, brings you great advantage in life. Nature support is what they call it, people who meditate get better luck. At least according
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
well, of course they infiltrated the group. to what extent, I have no idea. just like they probably infiltrate any number of organizations. try to enlighten your friend Barry, that this type of thing is done. the scenario Nabby puts forth sounds a little extreme, but I have no idea. I was not aware of the things he describes. On the other hand, I was in Seelisberg only one time. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : First off, I am willing to believe the CIA did send folks to check on what Marshy was doing since they and our FBI have certainly infiltrated many a group to see what they were about. But you seem to allege that there were dozens of agents - not likely maybe one or two but Marshy never merited that kind of attention that would require dozens of CIA agents. Plus the way you tell it, Movement security (which has always been a joke in every Movement facility I was ever in, and that includes your German Purusha Nazi types who wear swastikas under their ties and celebrate Uncle Adolph's birthday) that means Movement security was way more savvy and astute than trained CIA agents??? Not likely. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-) Nonsense. I don't believe in it, I know it happened because I was part of it. Even one of my friends was caught red-handed with a letter to his accounting officer and quickly admitted to having work for the German intelligence, who was just a subdivision of the CIA. Maharishi simply asked him if he would break the ties, he did and is fulltime in the Movement to this day.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
I don't think salyavin is much willing to speculate beyond what "hard" science has found. Certainly the safest way to proceed, but not really how big discoveries are made. his prerogative of course. on the other hand, he will be a big booster once something is ascertained. (leading from behind) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : There is the "consciousness" theory to astrology but there is also very corresponding natural patterns which roughly correlate to the returns of planets. This more so with the Sun, the Moon, Saturn and Jupiter. So I would think what one would do is start tracking natural patterns on other planets which may just for the sake of simplicity correlate with planetary returns. But you are arguing with people who see nature as random and believe in free will. I think they fear the idea that everything they do and think is a result of patterns set in motion at the beginning of the universe. Nothing to fear as it doesn't matter. On 10/15/2014 12:41 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Salyavin, Tony Nader wrote a book showing where the nine planets or grahas can be found in our brain. He is saying that there is a physical manifestation of the "impulses of intelligence" that are present in the human conciousness. IMO, any intelligent being anywhere in the universe would have to have an equivalent "impulses of intelligence" in its own physiology and consciousness in order to be called sentient. But one argue that even rocks here on earth have consciousness--albeit a very low one-- by its mere existence as a clump of matter in a form of the various elements and their resulting atomic structures. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same "impulses of intelligence" would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
[FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
I think Barry would be the first to tell you that ancient texts are basically, a bunch of rubbish, with little or no value. quite a shame I'd say. I find them fascinating, and have helped me immensely, in what I'd call my spiritual journey. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Barry, Astrology is an ancient science. But, with the present understanding that consciousness is the basis of the universe, one can appreciate the significance of astrology in modern science. Astrology can be seen as an advanced version of a sophisticated hologram based on human intelligence. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? One Martian colonist to another: "I have Earth in the first house. What does that make me?" "Earth doesn't do diddley-squat to you, no matter where it appears in your 'chart', but a belief in astrology by definition makes you a gullible idiot. I thought that the psychological tests for astronauts were supposed to screen out people like you."
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets?
son, throw in a bit of a more direct TM angle, and you will find the time. you'll likely drop whatever you are doing for a good two or three post run. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Oh God, I just don't have the time today to properly address this statement - hopefully Sal does and I know he'll do a better job than I anyhow. From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? MJ, The pertinent sutra that Patanjali stated is scientific. The sun in our solar system, and any solar system in the universe, will affect life here on earth and in any exoplanets in predictable patterns. For example, spring starts the life cycle or growth here on earth; autumn starts the fall of the sun's power as can be seen in the turning of the leaves, and winter signifies the death of the sun, which brings the cold and snow on the earth's northern hemisphere. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : this is superstitious hubris beyond superstitious hubris to think a made up lets make ourselves feel better about the big ol' bad world we live in mythology would effect the entire universe!!! From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:57 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Would Jyotish Principles Apply on Earthlike Exoplanets? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : IMO, yes. The 12 houses and the zodiac would apply on any of those distant worlds. Their solar system may or may not have the same nine planets that we're using here on Earth. But the same "impulses of intelligence" would have to be calculated in its own solar system. I believe this is the reason why Patanjali wrote in his yoga sutras that samyama on the sun brings forth knowledge of the world. IOW, life on these earthlike exoplanets can be described by the same zodiac signs that are pertinent here on our earth. Doesn't that make sense? It depends on how astrology might work. Consciousness requires a sophisticated brain to operate, maybe they are affected by gravity which is the only known force to be infinite in extent, and therefore affects things at great distance unlike the other known forces which are locally contained like the ones that hold atoms apart. Trouble is, if gravity is the culprit then planets are out of the picture because they are too distant to affect us more than, say, a lorry going past on the road. And the extra distances put between us and them at various times in our orbit - that the ancients didn't know about - would affect any charts too much for them to be reliable, not that they are. So you can cross gravity off the list of influences, and any other field for the same reasons. John Hagelin claims there is a link between planets and parts of the brain forged by quantum superposition between atoms during the big bang. John Hagelin should be stripped of his PHD and publicly ridiculed for even daring to utter bullshit like this that he knows is complete bollocks. But he wants you to continue coughing up for yagyas and charts. Or maybe he's so dumb he believes it? Nah, it's all part of the con of using science ideas to justify their beliefs. If astrology is real - and there is absolutely no reason to suppose it is - I would avoid travelling to other planets. Just think what being on Mars would do to someone with Jupiter strong in their chart! You're about 100 million miles closer to it! And what affect will Earth have on us? Just think if there is some physical force connecting us to planets surely the one we stand on would swamp any effect from the others, or doesn't ours count? So your question makes sense if astrological affects are real, different worlds around different stars will have different types of influences according to however the types of planets and their distance from brains might affect their owners. It would have to be a universal effect. Trouble is, I think it's an ancient superstition that clings on into the modern world by virtue of it's malleable vagueness. I don't think it's a very good explanation for anything at all, especially destiny and personality. Probably why NASA left it out of the equation when they planned the trip to the moon. Fun concept to ponder though...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, and then practicing yogic flying. Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-: I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window. I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant environment. And count me also, as one who believes in the state of enlightenment, and that those who have achieved it, produce a positive influence of that same immediate and distant environment. If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, "Just Do It", and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of "Maharishi Effects" when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
nice solid "research" meant to say ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I have had some remarkable experiences meditating in a large group in the dome, and then practicing yogic flying. Ok, to be really truthful, they were not as nice as the experiences MJ shared a few months ago, but they were pretty good, nonetheless. (-: I think all of us would like to see some nice solid of the ME, but absent that, I'm not going to throw the whole theory out the window. I have my own validating experiences, which really, I would not be inclined to share, and further, count me as one who believes, that even one person touching that transcendent field of life has an effect on his immediate and distant environment. And count me also, as one who believes in the state of enlightenment, and that those who have achieved it, produce a positive influence of that same immediate and distant environment. If you don't believe me, well, you don't believe me. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, "Just Do It", and the rest follows. I promise. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! Here is the thing, why isn't a meditation technique good enough to hang your hat on as a Movement? Why bother to start claiming all sorts of "Maharishi Effects" when all anyone really needs is a sound meditation technique? I don't know if TM is the greatest or bestest out there because I don't like sitting during my waking hours with my eyes closed when there is so much else to do and see so I simply don't scope out other techniques to compare. But the ME? I don't believe any of it for a minute. But why is the ME even necessary to put out there? If human beings are benefiting personally from a technique then the whole world should benefit due to the individuals becoming happier, calmer, more grounded.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, The Maharishi Effect, is not about belief. It is about a shift in identity, from me, to us. Not in some phony way, but an actual shift, in empathy, compassion, and even beyond that, sensing oneself, that 'finest feeling level, we are all familiar with, strengthening that, not just for me, but for everyone, everything, becoming a source of life giving and supporting energy, globally. That can never be accomplished within the obvious boundaries, of our individual minds and bodies . But, if we break down some of these self-imposed boundaries, of ourselves, again, not through belief, but through integrating experience, Being, then, this effect, of thousands of fliers (that being the sutra of greatest integration of Being), is truly one that unites us, as a global people, and begins to calm a rapidly changing world, in the direction of peace, and a better world. Not through belief, but by reaching a profound, and sustainable, Being. Maharishi always operated like that, from the intro lecture, on - peace begins at home, and once that is established, go for the world. It is a very exciting time, with every possible institution, system, leader, and big idea, under the microscope of ubiquitous communication, encyclopedias in a thumbprint, and everyone on the Internet. All it takes is the right momentum, at the right time, encouragement of the other side of life, away from violence, and exploitation. The genius of the Maharishi Effect, just as Maharishi accomplished with the TM technique, is to find the combination most efficient, in terms of the program for each individual, and their congregation, to effect world peace, in a mechanical way. There is no need for belief, or hope - As the Nike ad says, "Just Do It", and the rest follows. I promise. I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within themselves - the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at a distance is no more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about "breaking down self imposed boundaries" It's supposed to be what happens when meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others. How can that be? If we had some evidence that it worked all we'd have to do is work out how - which would require a complete re-write of everything we think we know - but we don't have any decent evidence yet which is why it's goo we'll soon have 50,000 to point at and say why isn't it working then? About. Unless it does work in which case we'll be too happy to care.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Beautiful, beautiful. Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the time you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending bashing it. Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years on the bash. I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on Michael's part towards Barry. Hey, I was fond of Barry too. Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him. But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year spent in. Still collecting evidence? Methinks, something else at work here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us "naysayers" do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time "discovery" of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a "new low" Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really "pulling for the organization" up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See "When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo ." While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
Ha!! (picture gold star below) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : 100% Bullshit. This is ALL ABOUT YOU and Barry and Sal. I have no clue as to your motives, but NOBODY, except the three of you, sees you as three Mother Teresas, in drag. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us "naysayers" do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time "discovery" of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a "new low" Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really "pulling for the organization" up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See "When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo ." While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 and the TM movement
make that three stars! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I'll bet Barry's "lurking reporters" are a couple of out of work twenty year olds, having him on. We are all waiting for the cult 'expose' - LOL ["Tiffany", from "The Washington Post"]: Turq, this will blow the doors off the TMO. We have formed a committee to discuss all of the points you have raised. [Turq]: No problem - That's my thang! Maharishi sux - lol ["Tiffany", from "The Washington Post"]: He sure does - lol ["Chuck", from "The York Times"]: This is perfect - All we need is a little more upfront funding, and you'll make Snowden look like peanuts. [Turq]: I'll show those bastards! ["Tiffany", from "The Washington Post"]: You sure will! ["Chuck", from "The York Times"]: Absofuckinglutely!! Now, we received the two hundred bucks, for story copyright, though we will need another five hundred, for the movie rights - Spielberg is having a look - This is gunna be huge! [Turq]: I am wiring the funds as we speak, Sir!! Do you really think I'll be notorious, like you promised?? ["Chuck", from "The York Times"]: Global bad-ass, Guaranteed! We can help you market that, too... See, bring back the Parody! Good job. I got smacked down by Share who apparently doesn't like my parodies as they seem to lead to a mob mentality of online bullying in some way. But God, you wrote a good little snippet there. You have the knack, Mac. And I only now saw Steve's post here, another gold star. Kind of like the court jester in the old days who always told the sometimes ugly truth with laughs and wit and hilarious antics. Underneath the joviality lies what many don't want to admit. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Note to Lurking Reporters. Dear RP's. Does it seem strange that this 70 year old man, Mr. Barry Wright, spends as much time as he does trying to find faults in an organization he left some 40 years ago? Does it seem odd, that he would become so animated when he finds what he feels is an out of whack comment by another member of the forum, as though all the time he puts in here, has had some payoff? Does it, again, seem odd, that another member here, Mr. Michael Jackson, seems to have taken on, as a part of "his life mission" uncovering all the faults of the TM organization and it's founder, repeating the same lines over and over each day? Dear Mr. and Ms. Lurking Reporters. Please reveal yourselves, and weight in on some of issues and behaviors you observe here. One word of caution though. If you response does not meet with the expectations of Mr. Wright, he will turn on you in angry fashion as he did with another member here a week or so ago. If interested, you can re-visit this exchange between Mr. Wright, and a Mr.Blue Bungalow. Mr. Wright went positively ballistic. Mr. Bungalow, remained nonplussed. Sort of revealing, I'd say for the guy who claims to be so unattached to anything that goes on here. Just sayin' ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Got that, lurking reporters? Just the other day a couple of you were asking me to document my opinion that many long-term TMers were "certifiably paranoid" and committed to a "them vs. us mentality." I submit this as the proof you were asking for. Nablusoss1008 believes this because Maharishi believed it. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
I don't know Ann. I guess there are different ways to approach it. Maybe one way to look at it, at least for me, is, I've gotten benefits from it. I've enjoyed group meditations. I've enjoyed the "flying" in a large group. Maybe there is a bigger payoff. Maybe not. If so, that would be a freebie. By the way, I do happen to believe that a large group meditating does generate a wave of positivity. What kind of effect it might have? Can't say. Why there is not a more demonstrable effect, say in FF? Can't say. Like I said. It worked for me. To answer MIchael's rote, question, "If it were so good, why don't you do it regularly", I say,the path people are on can change over time. Do I expect Michael to understand that? Not a chance. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
And he's off! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM" You have finally gotten it right Mac. The Marshy Effect IS the hallmark of Marshy's teaching and is the hallmark of the core of the Movement itself. A bogus, made up nonsensical piece of information that Marshy or one of his sycophants made up, purely to take attention off the fact that no one was getting enlightened doing TMSP, and the Old Goat needed a red herring to turn peoples attention away from the truth and give him a reason to ask for many more tens of millions of dollars to save the world through creating the Marshy Effect. You nailed it! From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Yes, the Maharishi Effect is a hallmark of the teaching of TM. Maharishi wanted us to begin to hear, that his ultimate goal was world peace. No, science cannot possibly measure anything like that - not that it matters. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I understand that it is not reliant on believe for the ME to work. I also think that for individuals to become more in tune with the world around them then it means that they first have to have access to what is available within themselves - the good stuff - then the rest will follow in terms of a macro effect. But I am not convinced that 1% of a population meditating has accomplished much of anything in terms of implementing/encouraging peace on a grand scale. On the other hand, I just haven't been paying attention to any of this since the mid 80's so I am, no doubt, out of the loop. No you aren't, the concept of brains affecting each other at a distance is no more likely or satisfactorily explained now than it was then. It isn't about "breaking down self imposed boundaries" It's supposed to be what happens when meditators are near other people, it doesn't matter if they don't know the meditators are there as it is transmitted through some unexplained medium that is apparently unmeasurable except in how it affects others. That is how I understood the ME - that it is some sort of mystical, magical effect that starts to happen when a certain percentage of the population meditates. It is an exponential phenomenon maybe? I don't quite recollect back from my MIU days but I kind of remember it as the individuals somehow equal more than the sum of the parts or some such. I guess a rational person would demand something more than the proclamation of this, would require some sort of proof. Has that proof been provided anywhere except in the skewed statistics of the Movement? I guess I can't get excited about whether it has or hasn't. Maybe that is my problem. I'd be excited if it gets proved as it would mean a revolution in science, they don't happen very often! But not they haven't got any convincing evidence yet, a sceptic might say they should have been able to prove it by now but there's no harm in keeping on trying, but it is important that if they draw a blank they stop the proselytising and change the belief system to reflect it. That's what serious scientists do but I suspect the movement gave up on that a long time ago as the ME and supporting theories are so much their raison d'etre. I'll be on hand to point it out though ;-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
He's hit a bunt, which is the best he's done so far, and running to first just as fast as his little legs will carry him! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us "naysayers" do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time "discovery" of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a "new low" Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really "pulling for the organization" up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See "When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo ." While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of social psychology by Leon F... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT
and he's rounding first on his way to second, but has fallen down on the way. the crowd is getting a pretty laugh, but this is serious business for him, so he makes a dramatic slide, even thought there was no play. calls for a time out to dust himself off, and waves to the crowd who he thinks are praising him, when actually they are having a good laugh. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. I would have to say it is unfortunate that the Movement itself has engendered a mind set that creates such gullibility inthe awareness of the TM'ers of the community and the world at large AND the Movement itself is guilty of the exact same kind of fraud they are alleging this man is guilty of. It may be the Big Boys of the TMO are afraid if the meditators are giving their dough to this guy, they won't have so much to give the Movement. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT WTF? First Maharishi sends a message from beyond the grave, and now he's BACK? At least it's good that they're warning people about him this time... From: "'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife ; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT From: MUM Human Resource Office Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: COMMUNITY ALERT Community Alert! Dear Members of our M.U.M. and Fairfield Community, We wanted to alert you that an individual has returned to Fairfield who has caused serious financial harm to members of our local community, and to others across the nation. If someone you do not personally know very well presents a financial opportunity based on the premise that vast sums of money are about to arrive, or any similar scheme that promises returns that sound too good to be true, please walk away and report such suspicious behavior to M.U.M. Campus Safety Director James Bedinger (641-919-7992) and to the Fairfield Police Dept. (641-472-4146). It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. Caution is advised. We are exploring with the Police what additional protective options may be available. James Bedinger Maharishi University of Management Campus Safety/Security Director jbedinger@... mailto:jbedinger@...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT
uh oh. alarm bells. he thinks his vital post did not make it, so send, send, send again. this could be the vital post that saves the world from the big bad, TMO. "my mission, my mission", he thinks ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. I would have to say it is unfortunate that the Movement itself has engendered a mind set that creates such gullibility inthe awareness of the TM'ers of the community and the world at large AND the Movement itself is guilty of the exact same kind of fraud they are alleging this man is guilty of. It may be the Big Boys of the TMO are afraid if the meditators are giving their dough to this guy, they won't have so much to give the Movement. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT WTF? First Maharishi sends a message from beyond the grave, and now he's BACK? At least it's good that they're warning people about him this time... From: "'Rick Archer' rick@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife ; fairfieldc...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:43 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT From: MUM Human Resource Office Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: COMMUNITY ALERT Community Alert! Dear Members of our M.U.M. and Fairfield Community, We wanted to alert you that an individual has returned to Fairfield who has caused serious financial harm to members of our local community, and to others across the nation. If someone you do not personally know very well presents a financial opportunity based on the premise that vast sums of money are about to arrive, or any similar scheme that promises returns that sound too good to be true, please walk away and report such suspicious behavior to M.U.M. Campus Safety Director James Bedinger (641-919-7992) and to the Fairfield Police Dept. (641-472-4146). It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. Caution is advised. We are exploring with the Police what additional protective options may be available. James Bedinger Maharishi University of Management Campus Safety/Security Director jbedinger@... mailto:jbedinger@...
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going for third base, imagining the the whole world is cheering this great champion of the truth. truthfully, they probably find him fascinating, as I do, but not for reasons, I think he would appreciate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Most likely he's a Governor - they don't wanna besmirch the Movement too much by association. And I bet last time he was in town, he ripped off Bevan, maybe James Beddinger and possibly the University itself. Nothing like the anger of a bunch of cons when they get conned themselves. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Bulletin from MUM - COMMUNITY ALERT ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: MUM Human Resource Office Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 2:52 PM To: undisclosed-recipients: Subject: COMMUNITY ALERT Community Alert! Dear Members of our M.U.M. and Fairfield Community, We know you are a bunch of suckers, so We wanted to alert you that an individual has returned to Fairfield who has caused serious financial harm to members of our local community, and to others across the nation. If someone you do not personally know very well presents a financial opportunity based on the premise that vast sums of money are about to arrive, or any similar scheme that promises returns that sound too good to be true, please walk away and report such suspicious behavior to M.U.M. Campus Safety Director James Bedinger (641-919-7992) and to the Fairfield Police Dept. (641-472-4146). It's hard to tell I know, but this warning is not referring to the yagya programme or any Maharishi health technologies. It is unfortunate that many intelligent and sincere people in our Fairfield and TM community have suffered financial loss as a result of this seductive and dangerous individual. Refunds not given for any failed nature support or lack of improved cognitive reasoning and intelligence. Caution is advised. We are exploring with the Police what additional protective options may be available. James Bedinger Maharishi University of Management Campus Safety/Security Director jbedinger@... mailto:jbedinger@... Seriously, why don't they just print the guys name? He sounds like a fiendishly smooth operator.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
the dude tries to steal home and flops. but it's all he knows. same tired routine. but how ironic, that he's the one who's thinks he saving the world. how absofuckingly ironic! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "most of the world is free of war" your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority.
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oops, guess I was rushing again. make that seven years bashing for every year in. 35 to 5 ratio. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Beautiful, beautiful. Maybe we can get a graph showing the intersecting point, comparing the time you spent involved with the TMO, with the time you are spending bashing it. Yikes. With Barry, I think it's five years in, and thirty five years on the bash. I guess it's no surprise then, the near hero worship we see on Michael's part towards Barry. Hey, I was fond of Barry too. Indeed, I still have a soft spot for him. But, why would someone spend five years bashing for every one year spent in. Still collecting evidence? Methinks, something else at work here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Head in the sand pie in the sky - whether you put your heads up or down you wind up in the same place, buried in denial of the facts. Some of us "naysayers" do the world a service by informing people who innocently are curious about TM to warn them of getting involved with a bona fide cult. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now It is pathetic the little thrill each of these naysayers gets, upon their thousandth time "discovery" of some impropriety by the Movement, or Maharishi. They could be doing so much better, with their lives, and loved ones, if they would spend less time denigrating, and more time seeking. From what I can see of the three of them, they do very little in real life. Perhaps slinging all the insults is the best they ever feel. Definitely true of that Barry character, who only seems to stand tall, on the backs of others. Sad lives, and I wouldn't trade places with any of them, for anything.. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sal, it's always a pleasure to hear the disaffected cry how the TMO has reached a "new low" Oh, how many times do we have to hear that? As though, you were really "pulling for the organization" up to this point. Please have a bit of self reflection. It will do all of us, and especially you, a world of good. Pretty please. With sugar on top, maybe? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are being too kind - Actually, I thought I was being successfully rather sarcastic! I thought it was a really good post, I gave it two stars. Not too shabby, especially as I've got a stinking cold. Maybe double-edged would be a better description than sarcastic. I was serious though, even though I don't believe in it I think it's good that it's being tested again and with so many that it will leave us in no doubt. I can't imagine what the TMO will do when they don't have a leg to stand on regarding the Maharishi Effect. I know they'll just carry on regardless but they should take heed that we'll always be able to point to this and say "what about...". Unless it turns out they are right of course, in which case it'll be humble pie for the sceptics unless we're all too enlightened to care! See "When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails - Wikipedia, the free encycl... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails: A Social and Psychological Study of a Modern Group That Predicted the Destruction of the World is a classic work of soci... View on en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails Preview by Yahoo ." While having the ME completely disproven might deter some people, my suspicion is that any TM True Believer still gullible enough to still be a TB at this point would just put on their big boy pants and tough their way through it, finding an infinite series of loopholes to show that the prophecy of world peace really DID happen, if you just look at it the right way. Or that it was delayed as part of a larger plan for world peace. Whatever... Yes, you could be right. Hopefully we'll see. Maybe we'll get some more gems to add to the list of reasons why things don't work. Good book that, one of my favourites. Most interesting and I remember feeling sorry for them when the UFO didn't arrive, much as I'll feel sorry for Nabby when Maitreya doesn't. Not that he'll care or even notice... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails When Prophecy Fails -
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis. keep on keeping on. we are enjoying your new found savior mentality. I mean, it is a hoot! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the Movement a bad name. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "most of the world is free of war" your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not making any claims, just stating what physics has found. I wouldn't expect sal to consider that there could be some connection, until he hears it from some authority.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
again, Michael, your recent confession does help in help us, (or at least me) understand you. It even allows me to feel compassion for you. You have this savior mentality, or maybe you envision yourself as a martyr of some sort. I mean, let's admit, it does fit. From TM to MJ the Channeler, to VA Veteran Program Booster, and now MJ the Savior. Do you think you should change your online handle. MJ, World Savior or maybe just "The Savior" Whaddya think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : thank you Michael for your usual cogent analysis. keep on keeping on. we are enjoying your new found savior mentality. I mean, it is a hoot! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the Movement a bad name. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "most of the world is free of war" your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of miles away from other monkeys learns how to use a tool or other skill and suddenly the other monkeys far away also adopt this skill. So I know very cool and seemingly unexplained phenomena can and do exist. But world peace, so far, seems to not have been one of those phenomenon as it relates to the ME. On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Not makin
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Is this really the broad statement on which an atheist makes his case.? In which case, it really is a shame to see the arrogant and skewed attitude held by an atheist. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Why knock people and their beliefs, so incessantly? I think we get it by now. People who believe in God deserve to be lampooned in your mind. It is part of your usual fare, unfortunately. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > > I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what > Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Funny Farm Lounge Koan
Just remember Barry. You have spent seven years bashing TM for every one year you were involved with it. Does that say anything? Anything at all? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Have you ever noticed that the TMers on FFL claim to be better than everyone else, but that the only things they seem capable of writing about are either the things they're AFRAID OF: terrorists, Ebola, immigrants, criminals, ISIS, and conspiracies or the people they HATE: Barry, Michael, Salyavin, all atheists, and anyone who disagrees with what they believe? In a way, it's possible to see this as a commercial for TM. I mean, if *most* people's lives had turned out to be this empty, pathetic, and endlessly focused on things they themselves consider negative, they'd have killed themselves long ago. But TMers on FFL seem to believe that living like this is the very definition of being better than everyone else. Low standards make for high self-esteem, I guess...
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Michael's first bash of the day. Certainly not to be the last. Michael, I sort of cringe, for your sake, but you know you come off as, sort of, adoring Barry. I mean, it seems a little strange, for one who demeans people on a daily basis for "cult mentality" Jusy sayin' (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” - Christopher Hitchens. Oh that's rich! I love it! It also applies pretty well to the beliefs of the TM True Believers. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now
gift, Michael, a gift, you are. hearing you talk about normal, as being a standard for normal. carry on. you are breaking some new ground here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I would say normal is what you aspire to but your world view is so much a Bizarro world view I don't think you can ever get even close to normal. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now lol - Oh, I see, it was the three of us, that finally turned you, eh? Before that, you were happily spreading Maharishi Vedic Honey on your organic scones, from the brahmastan of your Sthapatya Ved house, and then, after you read my post...knife clatters to the floor, honey jar overturns (in slo-mo) - all the blood drains from your face, thoughts cascading through your heating brain, chief among them, "Holy Shit, These Guys Give The Movement A Bad Name!" sorry about that...won't happen again...hope you can claw your way back to normal. Jai Guru Dev J. Edgar Hoover John Philip Sousa ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : tell that to the civilian population of the countries who are embroiled in these wars. There is not bullshit here except for your pie in the sky Marshy was a saint and the world is getting better as a result. It really is guys like you, Nabby and Steve who are so skewed in your perception that give the Movement a bad name. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now Please do the math, and compare the populations embroiled in war, to World War Two, despite the huge increase in weaponry in the past fifty years. Anyone can see a massive improvement, despite the bullshit stats you have produced. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "most of the world is free of war" your enlightenment has turned your mind to mush Number of current wars: AFRICA: (26 Countries and 164 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Central African Republic (civil war), Democrati Republic of Congo (war against rebel groups), Egypt (popular uprising against Government), Libya (war against islamist militants), Mali (war against tuareg and islamist militants), Nigeria (war against islamist militants), Somalia (war against islamist militants), Sudan (war against rebel groups), South Sudan (civil war) ASIA: (16 Countries and 137 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Afghanistan (war against islamist militants), Burma-Myanmar (war against rebel groups), Pakistan (war against islamist militants), Philippines (war against islamist militants), Thailand (coup d’etat by army May 2014) EUROPE: (9 Countries and 71 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Chechnya (war against islamist militants), Dagestan (war against islamist militants), Ukraine (Secession of self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic and self-proclaimed Luhansk People’s Republic) MIDDLE EAST: (8 Countries and 186 between militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Iraq (war against Islamic State islamist militants), Israel (war against islamist militants in Gaza Strip), Syria (civil war), Yemen (war against and between islamist militants) AMERICAS: (5 Countries and 25 between drug cartels, militias-guerrillas, separatist groups and anarchic groups involved) Hot Spots: Colombia (war against rebel groups), Mexico (war against narcotraffic groups) GRAND TOTAL: Number of countries - 64 Number Militias, guerrillas and separatist groups involved - 584 So much for yogic flying and the non-existent Marshy Effect. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 50,000 new Flyers now On the other hand, we're all still here and some obliterating nuclear war hasn't occurred yet so maybe that does qualify as world peace after all. Yes, it actually does - Especially, despite the HUGE INCREASE in weaponry, since World War II, most of the world is free of war, and has been, since. Civilian casualties during war are dropping too. Kind of a miracle, I think. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : there are examples in physics when one particle instantaneously affects another at a great distance. I don't recall the name of this effect, whether it is the Bose Einstein Condensation, or something else, but we have examples in physics, that are roughly analogous to the ME. I know I have heard of amazing things like a monkey thousands of m
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Michael, cover your eyes! For God's sake, cover your eyes!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Very interesting link - Shows that Barry was actively involved, in soliciting new cult members for Freddie. No wonder he keeps his mouth shut about that stuff, and only ever mentions Maharishi as a target, for "cult mentality". This is part of a report Barry filled out, and submitted monthly, to "Doctor" Lenz. Other sections cover career, meditation, physical fitness, and product development progress, every aspect of life - no mind control here folks: 5. YOUR APPRENTICE ACTIVITY UPDATE With the understanding that your are entirely responsible for your interactions with any individuals you choose to teach, Dr. Lenz and ASI would like a monthly summary or your general attempts to local appropriate students as well as a monthly update on whether you will be bringing one or more of them to dinner the next month (starting in January, note: Dinner reservations must be made in advance by calling the reservation phone number). Example: (These are not guidelines as to how you should locate or deal with potential students of yours, it is merely an example.) I created a poster for a lecture series I will be giving in the next 3 weeks. i will give 3 lectures, one per week for 3 weeks at Taft College on the subject of meditation and psychic development in the 1990s and how it can benefit you in your career. I have found what I feel is an excellent first candidate and will be bringing her to the next dinner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 2:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : > > I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what > Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. > The Hindu God Rama Lenz: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Has the New Age arrived?
snip from sal: ...not such a cheery post for a friday! from richard Has anything good ever happened to you? and, finally, from ray: my thought exactly. does sal realize he comes off rather glum? Have you ever considered seeing a cult exit counselor? You might even require medication for your depression. Do you get invited out to any social gatherings with other people? You seem kind of lonely. Go figure. You may have come to the wrong place to get help - you don't seem to respond to friendly conversation. I wonder what's up with that? Most people feel better when they have someone to talk to, but in your case you seem to just want to bring us all down. Apparently you and Barry missed out on the Age of Enlightenment part - and the Renaissance too. All those years seeking, wasted. Bitter. Disappointed. Sad. > From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Has the New Age arrived? Anthropocene: is this the new epoch of humans? A disparate group of experts from around the world will meet for the first time on Thursday for talks on what must rank as one of the most momentous decisions in human history.* The question confronting the scientists and other specialists is straightforward enough, even if the solution is far from simple. Is it time to call an end to the epoch we live in and declare the dawn of a new time period: one defined by humanity’s imprint on the planet? Anthropocene: is this the new epoch of humans? http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/oct/16/-sp-scientists-gather-talks-rename-human-age-anthropocene-holocene Anthropocene: is this the new epoch of humans? Geologists, climate scientists, ecologists – and a lawyer – to rule on whether impact of human life on Earth has pushed us into a new epoch View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo * Engaging hyperbole?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : This is your blind spot Barry. Your attacks are often judgemental, personal attacks. Most of us are well aware of the faults of the TMO. Your objection seems to be that our take away is different from your take away. You, as much as any person here are responsible for the divisive interactions. And Michael, is a "all in" person. You are either "all in" with his negative assertions about the TMO, and MMY, or you are cultist. If you get some time, give it some thought. You guys IDENTIFY WITH your time with Maharishi, and with being part of his group, or of being a teacher for him. A great deal of your own personal "spiritual story" revolves around this identification. So when someone such as myself or Michael makes fun of Maharishi or says what we really think about his teachings, you get all defensive. By "attacking" him, you feel as if we are "attacking" you, and you get your buttons pushed. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... Very interesting link - Shows that Barry was actively involved, in soliciting new cult members for Freddie. No wonder he keeps his mouth shut about that stuff, and only ever mentions Maharishi as a target, for "cult mentality". This is part of a report Barry filled out, and submitted monthly, to "Doctor" Lenz. Other sections cover career, meditation, physical fitness, and product development progress, every aspect of life - no mind control here folks: 5. YOUR APPRENTICE ACTIVITY UPDATE With the understanding that your are entirely responsible for your interactions with any individuals you choose to teach, Dr. Lenz and ASI would like a monthly summary or your general attempts to local appropriate students as well as a monthly update on whether you will be bringing one or more of them to dinner the next month (starting in January, note: Dinner reservations must be made in advance by calling the reservation phone number). Example: (These are not guidelines as to how you should locate or deal with potential students of yours, it is merely an example.) I created a poster for a lecture series I will be giving in the next 3 weeks. i will give 3 lectures, one per week for 3 weeks at Taft College on the subject of meditation and psychic development in the 1990s and how it can benefit you in your career. I have found what I feel is an excellent first candidate and will be bringing her to the next dinner. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 2:36 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 17, 2014 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : > > I was thinking that there's a similarity to the Maharishi Effect in what > Pastor Graham is recommending. “The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” Christopher Hitchens. > The Hindu God Rama Lenz: http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ http://www.ex-cult.org/Groups/Rama/ > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Yeah, maybe if they pray enough they'll start hopping. :-D On 10/16/2014 06:32 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: As Sodom and Gomorrah. But he has a solution. http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were http://m.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/michael-w-chapman/rev-billy-graham-america-just-wicked-sodom-and-gomorrah-ever-were
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
Your favorite because you feel it let's you point out the stupidity of people here? People you have categorized in your mind by their specific beliefs? To me, that says a lot, and is not just a little strange. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Good for you Barry, good for you. (but talk about some weird ass, self medication) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :
Re: [FairfieldLife] Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
No Barry, it shows your willingness to jump on any absurd comment, if it provides you an opportunity to dump. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? I found out this last one is an intentional parody as part of an infamous Internet meme, "Checkmate, Atheists!" It's really a fascinating story: Checkmate, Atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists Checkmate, Atheists http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists “Checkmate, Atheists” is an expression used in jest after making an intentionally illogical religious argument. View on knowyourmeme.com http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/checkmate-atheists Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. > You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months ago! "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night." - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Group: Yahoo Fairfieldife Date: Friday, 23 May 2014 Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM is a Cult? http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html From: salyavin808 Advertising ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote :Salya,I think ... View on www.mail-archive.com http://www.mail-archive.com/fairfieldlife%40yahoogroups.com/msg317597.html Preview by Yahoo Richard, you've done it again!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
How do you even stand to interact, even a little, with such uninformed, biased people here, salyavin? Isn't there some Mensa group you can associate with? I guess you just like slumming it here. Or maybe it just gets boring up in the tower. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. I'm just enjoying the responses it gets whenever you say anything contrary to the POV of the believer. Some of the weird fantasies that are getting projected on us are actually fascinating. If I could be bothered to read all of it I might start trying to classify it so we can use it to make predictions about what sort of abuse to expect per rational argument. There's got to be a use for FFL.. Leo Festinger would have been well into this place! From: salyavin808 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
yes, the Barster was holding back on us. Claims to have left the Rama mindset, but was secretly promoting the "pushing of buttons" agenda. Aw, Barry, tsk, tsk tsk. You knew that truth was going to leak out. But, Barry has become more like a door bell button pusher. Like maybe some of us were, as children. Push the door bell, then go and hide behind the bushes. Provides a momentary thrill, but not much else. Time to grow up!! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had to "press all the right buttons" to help people overcome their resistance to the Light and to him…. He taught me to fear what would happen if I left the Centre. "You know too much to leave. It's a greedy, materialistic world out there. Your soul would be miserable. Besides, the Forces would flatten you like a bug. You would lose thousands of lifetimes of evolution." He taught me to fear, not just the Forces but people, particularly old friends and family. "It's best if you don't tell them what we do here. Believe me, they won't understand. They'll end up blocking your progress and sapping your power.“… = "Atmananda," I suddenly announced. "I *saw* the Warriors." Others in the circle soon *saw* them too. Atmananda held desert trips once or twice a month and, by mid-1983, followers *saw* him walking above the ground on a "cushion of light," flying to distant mountains, sending columns of light into the sky, and causing constellations to gyrate and disappear. On one starlit night, Atmananda raised his hands above his head. As he slowly lowered them, he made a low, whistling sound like the wind. "What did you *see*?" he asked afterward. "I didn't *see* anything," one new follower bemoaned. "Advanced psychic vision is necessary to perceive what I am doing… == "Are you Rama?" someone asked. "Yes," he replied. "I am Rama, the last incarnation of Vishnu. You people think that I am a person, but I am not. Over the years I watched my various selves fade away. I fought the process tooth and nail--like each of you are doing now. But it was in vain. I could not stop the process of dissolution. I had to admit that I was no longer a person. This morning I suddenly knew who I was. I have been cycling...I am beginning to remember...Eternity has named me Rama...Rama most clearly reflects my strand of luminosity...We're at the end of a cycle...At this time, Vishnu takes incarnation as a person...Vishnu is that aspect of God that preserves and protects life...Rama...the last incarnation of Vishnu..." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... mailto:turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: But to bring this whole diversion (for that is what it is) back into the present, I really wish that Richard, Jim, and a few others would leave off this try-to-get-to-me-by-bringing-up-Rama shit. It's old, and it's based on your *own* cult thinking and how *your* minds work, not how mine works. > You need to get a grip, Barry - you just posted about "Rama shit" a few months ago! "I've seen someone levitate. Many times. In many settings, from the Los Angeles Convention Center to the Anza-Borrego Desert to a Denny's restaurant in the wee hours of the night." - TurquoiseB Subject: TM is a Cult? Author: TurquoiseB Gro
[FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
As it is with most of us Ann. Even when there is a scientific explanation behind it. And there is a sliding scale among everyone here of the belief in God. Barry, of course believes in most of the tenants of theism, but just doesn't use the word "God" He prefers the word "Intelligence" so he can get a card that states, "I am a Atheist" He treasures that card, because it goes along with his self proclaimed label as, "rebel". But scratch beneath the surface, and he'd have some explaining to do. But don't expect him to be pressed by anyone in his clique. Oh, gawd, no. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Everything is a mystery. What people think and why they think it is mysterious. How I can put one foot in front of the other is a mystery, even if someone thinks they can explain the mechanics of it there remain at least 50 mysteries within that act alone. The biggest mystery being what is motivating the desire to put one foot in front of the other. My life is nothing but mystery, I have enough mystery to keep me busy for 1000 lifetimes so don't start claiming that those who have opinions about something lack the capacity to embrace mystery because to do so is to fall into the very trap you are claiming others are already floundering in. I mean, you're the guy who requires the rigid scientific methods to strip down every mystery. You're the one who can't seem to abide something if it isn't clearly documented and disassembled right down to the boring nitty gritty. So don't talk to me about "mystery".
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
yes, some are quite humorous. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it? Oh dear, now we're into the dueling quotes portion of our "discussion". They're a dime a dozen and some are wonderful and clever and funny and cutting from both sides of the debate. bawee seems to have wanted to flood his post with the things.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Because contact with rationality seems to bother believers so much...
Yes, obviously it was nonsense. There was not figuring it out. But Barry jumped on, for all the usual reasons, and then had to backtrack. As I recall, (reading fast as I do), he didn't issue a retraction, just came at it differently to issue a new put down of some sort. Maybe I have that wrong. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Your favorite because you feel it let's you point out the stupidity of people here? People you have categorized in your mind by their specific beliefs? To me, that says a lot, and is not just a little strange. You're smarter than me 'cause I don't even get it. What is that little rainbow colored poster saying other than whoever wrote it was drunk or English was their second language? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : My favorite, because it appears to be a real graphic from believers trying to show how stupid atheists are... sounds just like jr_esq or Buck, doesn't it?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
I guess now we are just waiting for the fat lady singing comment. for Barry that is to tout, how many replies he's gotten to his post. I think that's sort of his payoff, I guess. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 6:45 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Jesus, Barry, when did you set the bar so low for yourself? > Sometimes people get confused when they get old and they sometimes lash out at imagined enemies, Steve. The sad thing is that we have a real enemy on the war path in Iraq, but Barry thinks you are his enemy. It may be that he is just scared and afraid and feels vulnerable - unable to control his own thoughts or his environment. That's when the cognitive dissonance sets in. Cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. For example, a belief in karma and at the same time, a denial of causation. It just doesn't make any sense. Barry seems to want to be spiritual and he's been a seeker for most of his adult life, but obviously he hasn't found all the answers. That must be really frustrating - now he is seeking confirmation of some kind - or an appeal for help? > Is it really necessary to distort what someone says, just so you can attack the distortion. That also applies to your BFF, although, not so much. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : Doncha love how people who believe in an invisible magic man in the sky like to portray those who don't as if *they* are the crazy ones. Sometimes the sheer feeble-mindedness of believers astounds me. Or, as someone once said so well: "Doubt is not a pleasant condition, but certainty is absurd." -- Voltaire I don't know about you, Salyavin, but it's difficult for me to imagine someone whose mind is so weak and whose fear of the unknown is so profound that they would exchange a belief in that which can never be proved to exist (because...duh...it doesn't) for the far more interesting and fulfilling sense of MYSTERY that is their birthright. From: salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 8:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:jr_esq@... wrote : Ann, These are good quotes which adequately sum up the attitudes of atheists. LOL, adequately sums them up if you want your own narrow viewpoint bolstered you mean.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind
I think what we're seeing Michael, is that some of the tendencies Barry has, such as a 35 year habit of "pushing people's buttons" in the name of "cult research" and enabling people to "understand themselves better" are just tendencies he picked up from his time with "that Rama guy" It just helps to understand the mindset a little better. I wouldn't expect this to make sense to you, since you have your own issues along these lines, but I'll throw it out anyway. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. Case closed. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, and Barry's mind It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar around his neck. According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq wasn't even close. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as clueless as the next person, when I was young, but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. And soon. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it sooner. > The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago? Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident - he's been turned. When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult, which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders. Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and cult awareness networks (CAN). > Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you perceived something negative in him, you were really seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too. > Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz. Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud and deception over a decade. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:steve.sundur@... wrote : Look, every body gets the "pushing of buttons". We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we all do some pushing ourselves. But, from what you've found below, it does it appear that Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to, well, some kind of religion. And as in most religions, some things get distorted. Helps to explain things, I think. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@... wrote : If you want to know how Barry thinks, and how he got so screwed up, there is a free ebook, from someone who was very close to Freddie. The name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A RIDE Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E. Laxer. Available on the link that Richard posted. Here are some quotes from the book. When I read them, they sounded strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love), before he decided he was the final incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY CRAZY: Atmananda exposed his Big Nurse nature in other ways. He claimed, for instance, that he had
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Curtis, if I have a prayer, and I may silently say this on occasion, "Thy will be done" If it is a prayer, there is no judgement implied in it. There is no thinking that there is a better or worse way things should operate. It is a simple, a simple..prayer, and I think many people carry an intention like this. So, if someone asserts prayer to be one of "putting something right", in the way "I think it should be", well, that strikes me as an overly broad and arrogant statement. What do you think? Maybe I am not unpacking that statement correctly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Predictably, this conversation interested me Steve... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : S: Is this really the broad statement on which an atheist makes his case.? M: I don't know why you would think that. The paradox of prayer he is pointing out is as relevant to believers as much as non believers and is a topic of much theological discussion within religions. As I understand it, he makes the case for a lack of belief in God elsewhere because of a lack of compelling evidence supporting the belief in any of its various forms. S: In which case, it really is a shame to see the arrogant and skewed attitude held by an atheist. M: I don't see where the label arrogant applies. For me it is a much more humble position to say that he does not know the mind of God (or even that he exists at all.) than those who believe that they do. Is is arrogant for you to not join the believers in David Koresh's divinity? But lets get to the point he actually is making which is not a statement of atheism, but of paradox within the beliefs about how prayer works. CH:“The man who prays is the one who thinks that god has arranged matters all wrong, M: Is it that "all is well and wisely put by God. Or did he get it wrong about the baby who has cancer? Why does the baby have cancer in the first place God? ( I know Hindus think they have an answer: blame the baby, but when you are praying you are saying to God, "excuse me I think you got this karmic calculation wrong." CH: but who also thinks that he can instruct god how to put them right.” M: So what are the supporting beliefs about how the world works that support the action of prayer? I will try to hit Christian and Hindu versions. For Christians there is a hidden premise that God is somehow unaware of the baby in the hospital, which contradicts the omniscience part of his definition, or that he is somehow not able to make if right for the little tyke on his own due to a limitation of his power (phrased as free will for man but this falls apart for the baby) which contradicts his omnipotence definition. Or he may not give a shit about the baby which defies the morally good part of what most people consider as important to the God idea. So what does it mean when a whole planeload of people are falling out of the sky in an airline accident and presumably praying their seat-belted asses off ? Why do they need to? Is God so clueless to miss the problem like superman sitting in a dark bar in the afternoon throwing back scotches and trading banter with the bartender? What is prayer actually doing? 1. Bugging God like a nagging spouse. "Let's get everyone praying so he must hear us." As if prayer is like a football cheer made more potent by numbers. 2. Cluing his amoral ass to the problem with people falling out of the sky or a baby dying? 3. Reminding him to pay attention because he gets distracted watching dinosaurs banging each other on the 250 million years ago heavenly animal planet channel? (In his defense, dinosaur porn IS mega hot. Don't get me started with what Triceratops can accomplish with those 3 horns...) 4. Giving an insecure God a pep talk that he can do it? Do we have to praise him up and down like a toddler and kiss his ass to get him to do something about it? Is that the problem, a lack of us demonstrating our toadying, groveling, subservience? Why does he need that? (The Bible is full of formula prayers that assume this very thing.) What exactly is the belief in prayer based on? And why is God always let off the hook when the plane hits the ground? If he can ignore any prayer, why do we need them in the first place? Now the Hindus basically have a mafioso payoff system in place. It is your karma but you can pay off minor deities who will talk to the big man on your behalf. And that requires multiple ass kisses. I was amazed at ceremonies with Maharishi and the pundits rattle off phases with no feeling, just hitting numbers prescribed by the scriptures. Ketu namaha, katu namaha, ketu namaha hundreds of times. It comes from a sacrifice culture that would offer animals just like the people who we dare not speak of in the Old Testament. Later Christians who went all the way with a human sacrifice of the "lamb kabob of God, Jesus himself because God created a wo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Curtis, if I have a prayer, and I may silently say this on occasion, "Thy will be done" M: Could it be otherwise if there is a God? What would be its purpose, like saying "water please be wet." He is God, why the nudge? Well, that is quite a bit different than the prayer he described isn't it. "Thy will be done", differs considerably form, "Hey God, we need to do A,B, or C". S: If it is a prayer, there is no judgement implied in it. There is no thinking that there is a better or worse way things should operate. M: The family around the baby would disagree. But if you take away its use in those places where it really does matter, what would you pray about or for? Curtis, I am not debating the merits of prayer, whether it works or not. What I am saying is that he made a generalization about how people pray, and I am saying the generalization misses the mark in many cases. Or at least some cases. "Thy will be done" says I accept the outcome of a situation. It places the burden on the person making the prayer. In other words, I'm down with whatever happens, good or bad. S: It is a simple, a simple..prayer, and I think many people carry an intention like this. So, if someone asserts prayer to be one of "putting something right", in the way "I think it should be", well, that strikes me as an overly broad and arrogant statement. M: I honestly think arrogance is not in play at either end of the spectrum here. It is not arrogance that leads a family to beg God to spare their baby, it is desperation. And I don't begrudge them any internal relief they can muster. But abstracted from the human scene, we do have a paradox. Why would we have to remind God to be God? What are we doing? I think we are making ourselves feel better about the random shitty stuff that happens by labeling it as the will of God. I think it is a cushion for some people. Again, I don't begrudge them that, I just don't roll that way myself. What I am saying is that not everyone prays for a specific outcome. And the fact that one is willing to accept the outcome of a situation, does not, in my opinion negate the existence of God, or make God a moot point. Like, "Hey, no need to bring God into the equation if there is to be no benefit" Rather it says, I've got to take the long view. I have to live to see another day. I think it has, or at least, can have, the effect of making a person more capable of dealing with the inevitable tests one is faced with. M: But to say that supplication prayers are not one of its most popular uses would not be accurate I believe. Stand next to the intersession candles in a Catholic church sometime. They want specific shit. I believe that the "thy will be done even if it means the baby gets it" is in the minority. I could be wrong, except on a falling airplane. I would put money on that! Prayer vigils are always focused on an outcome aren't they. Let's all pray for his safe return from Afghanistan, her recovery from whatever.. Well, I agree wholeheartedly. I would guess that 90% of prayers are for something. Absolutely. What I am saying, is that I read his comment, and I had a different take on it. That's all. Personally, I feel blessed. So, for me the idea of asking for something seems selfish. Plus, I'd like to think that I have the most control over my own destiny. S: What do you think? Maybe I am not unpacking that statement correctly. M: Or maybe I have it all wrong, I just appreciate the dialogue and chance to articulate where we are at about something fraught with contradictions and challenges to our beliefs on both sides. Curtis, you probably don't realize how enjoyable it is to have you participating in any discussion here. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Predictably, this conversation interested me Steve... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : S: Is this really the broad statement on which an atheist makes his case.? M: I don't know why you would think that. The paradox of prayer he is pointing out is as relevant to believers as much as non believers and is a topic of much theological discussion within religions. As I understand it, he makes the case for a lack of belief in God elsewhere because of a lack of compelling evidence supporting the belief in any of its various forms. S: In which case, it really is a shame to see the arrogant and skewed attitude held by an atheist. M: I don't see where the label arrogant applies. For me it is a much more humble position to say that he does not know the mind of God (or even that he exists at all.) than those who believe that they do. Is is arrogant for you to not join the believers in David Koresh's divinity? But lets get to the point he actually is making which is not a statement of atheism, b
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Barry, you do realize that by your own admission you have been "getting stuck on the idiot part" for going on 35 years. Do you mind telling me what that means, cuz it has me bewildered? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... Atheists do not have to define what they do not believe in. They take the definitions from the believers and find them wanting. Yours included, to the degree that you have spelled out what it is. As usual, Curtis, I am in awe of your ability to interface with idiots as if they were actually worth the time. I keep getting stuck on the "idiot" part. To me, if a person believes in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect, that's kinda like the Trifecta of Idiocy. You can't actually become much more of a loser than that. :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
That sounds like personal growth. You may arrive at a different pov, than someone else, but there's something to be said for a civil exchange of ideas, even if it gets rather pointed at times. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : M: Well to be fair, there is nothing I have read hear (Nabbie included) that I didn't wholeheartedly embrace at one time in my life. I don't think of my past self as being an idiot, just a practicer of fallacious reasoning. I was just wrong about almost everything I believed. Simply and earnestly wrong. Kinda humbling really.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
did Barry just get hoisted on his own petard? I think he did. (I think a long cry would do him a world of good) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Sure you can, Barry. ;-) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... Atheists do not have to define what they do not believe in. They take the definitions from the believers and find them wanting. Yours included, to the degree that you have spelled out what it is. As usual, Curtis, I am in awe of your ability to interface with idiots as if they were actually worth the time. I keep getting stuck on the "idiot" part. To me, if a person believes in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect, that's kinda like the Trifecta of Idiocy. You can't actually become much more of a loser than that. :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
In a galaxy far, far, away. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : snip Here is what I would prefer someone does: Believe what you want but don't attack me if it is different from what you believe or put words in my mouth or make up stuff in order to be able to attack what I actually never said.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
sleep it off is right, Ann. sorta obvious, I think. you would think, that the guy who spent months with a front row seat at the most exclusive brothel in the world, without once going upstairs, would be better at reining in his emotions with whatever is bugging him right now. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 11:13 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Barry, Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? M: Couldn't help overhearing... Atheism is not a belief because it is not a positive assertion that there is no God. It is the assertion that there is no compelling evidence to support the belief. And John is such a feeble-minded idiot that he doesn't get this distinction. We don't need to have a belief that there are no unicorns. Maybe there are. We just don't have any evidence to support our belief in one. (Probably people made the story up, they tend to enjoy that being such creative creatures.) We are certainly able to say that no one can claim there are unicorns without showing us evidence of them. Yet idiots like John try this all the time with their belief in a "god." Jr: The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts. M: It does not for two reasons that come to mind. Here is a formulation (feel free to substitute your own if this is not the right one in your eyes..) Everything that begins to exist has a cause; Unwarranted assumption. Exactly, but he won't be able to understand this. We don't know if this is true at the scales of time and space involved in creation. It is a typical imposition of our limited view of the sensory world to scales that are completely unplugged from our ability to intuit about it. It is unnecessary and merely contrived as if to say : There must be a God so there must be a God. Logic is not a proof. It can preserve truth through proper syllogistic form, but it is only as good as the assumptions which must be proven another way. This is not a good start. 2. The universe began to exist M: There are a lot a problems with this assumptions since it imposes sequential time assumptions on an event which by nature is beyond time and space. This is the realm of "you probably don't really understand it" physics. (Me either, the subject requires math way beyond my pay grade.) The words "Prove it" spring to mind. Yet another unwarranted assumption from the god-idiot. therefore: 3The universe has a cause. Yeah, surprise surprise. This is no proof, it is an an assumption disguised as something logical as if that makes it less assumptive-y. It doesn't. Exactly. John is *demonstrating* the "Checkmate, Atheists!" mentality I mentioned earlier -- declaring a bunch of assumptions as true and then defying anyone to disprove them. Sorry, but that's not how it works. If you claim that there are unicorns, produce unicorns. If you claim that there are gods, produce gods. If you can't, shut the fuck up. Oh God bawee, really? Have you really no more finesse than this? No more brain power, no ability to play and explore? You come in like some stumble bum knocking into the tables holding confectionary and glasses of champagne. Get outside and sleep it off, if that's what ails you. If not, then God help you. (Is this a prayer that doubts God's ability to have it all in hand?)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
Maybe just stick with movie and tv reviews Barry. I think you'll be happier. That may cut down on the 25 to 30 posts per week you make just telling everyone how stupid they are. And how long have you been willing to put up with that "so little payoff"? Give that some thought, Barry, if you get few minutes. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : That would be more compassionate, after all. It's just that there is so little PAYOFF in dealing with people who still believe these things. They just go round in circles and then come back to the very things they started with. Their thinking seems to be as non-rigorous as it is circular.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Barry's preferred definition of God appears to be an old man with a beard who resides above, and harshly judges people. He likes this characterization because he feels it is easier to lampoon. And he's been a roll lately. A target rich environment of his own making. No, it doesn't make a lot of sense. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, Your observation is excellent. It appears that for some people here think that being called a "believer" is uncool and, a worst, an Ebola case. As such, they avoid giving any logical evidence for their assertions in order to be undefined, ambiguous and definitely not known as a "believer". Who would have thought the B word has become pejorative? I know and it is very random. Because every single human being on this planet has hundreds if not thousands of beliefs that they act on every day of their lives. Beliefs are not something you can not change in an instant nor do they necessarily result in death, dismemberment or fatal disease. Often they are very private things that undergo constant revision in the mind of the believer or non believer. It is as easy to change one's mind (belief set) as it is to sneeze. It is not beliefs that are dangerous it is what someone does with the belief just as it is an exercise in futility to go around poo pooing other's beliefs in an effort to do - what? Change them? Mock them? Show the believer how superior you are in your alternate beliefs? Those who claim they don't believe in anything are like those who claim they don't need a solid surface to occasionally stand upright on.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Barry, you have picked up this rather annoying habit, I presume, from Michael, that every discussion must have an anti TM component to it, and preferably impugn MMY in some way. You are unaware of this, obviously, because most of your posts are rote responses with a small, fill in the blank. "We are talking about fill in the blank, but the real issue is that you are a cult apologist". "I want to comment about fill in blank, but you realize that MMY was a con man". "I saw this fill in the blank the other day, and it reminded me of all the small minded people on FFL". This is pretty much the daily fare of Turquoise B. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well said. I honestly think that a large part of the problem is that many of the players on the Believer side of this particular discussion have been indoctrinated by Maharishi not only with poor critical thinking skills, but with an actual false belief. That is, they believe that their subjective experience constitutes objective proof. It doesn't, and never will. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 4:19 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness You are both missing my point. I am not anti-belief. I have a million of them that I have chosen, and some that I just absorbed without good reasons. I am anti bad reasons supporting beliefs. Tomorrow I will be in a class of 5th graders using blues songs to demonstrate how you have to pay attention to the details in a song in order to determine the intended meaning of the songwriter. This is a critical thinking skill, not just in science, but in the arts. If a kid says, "I believe that the writer hates his father", I will say "show me the supporting evidence for that belief." It will not be OK for the child to say "It is my personal belief and you have no right to challenge it by questioning what I am basing it on." This is how good thinking works, we construct beliefs out of the best evidence we can find and don't just make shit up for no reason when it concerns the author's intention. The distinction between a positive belief in God and not accepting the proposed evidence for God is not a comparison of equal beliefs. This distinction is so huge that our whole modern society and way of thinking emerged from the dark ages of superstition and unwarranted beliefs through this gap. "You are a witch" "No I am not" "Prove that you are not a witch or we will burn you alive." Little problem. You can't prove a negative. Because the burden of proof has been shifted from the person with the belief, who by good thinking skills should provide evidence for the claim, to the accused, who has no chance of doing so, we get human toast. Now today we can analyze the evidence and see right through it. Evidence given was often disobedience to their husbands, surprise surprise! Today we say they had shitty reasons for their belief. We judge them. Just like we judge ISIS's shitty reasons for the beliefs supporting the things they are doing. Back to the God belief. People believe in his existence for reasons that are known and categorized by both the belief systems themselves and philosophers interested in human thought and the distinction between good and bad reasons to support a belief. I invite John to let us know the supporting reasons for his belief in God if he would like to continue the discussion. Jim has shown us at least one of his reasons for his belief in God which falls philosophically in the area of mystical experience claims. We then can evaluate how convincing we find this claim. But I don't have to have a belief in the opposite to not judge his reasons as good ones. I can't know if there is a God or if Jim is experiencing a state of mind here this reality is as he claims, self evident. I just see no reason to buy the whole story, So I don't have a belief in no-God which is on a par with the positive belief in a God. I just don't accept the proposed reasons for the belief in him that I have come across to be convincing enough for me to adopt it. I would never undertake the fools errand of proving a negative, and am not interested in trying to support a belief in no-God. I would be just as happy if there was one, but I am not going to accept his existence on the basis of what I consider to be poor reasons. One more example. You go to the doctor with a bitch'n migraine headache and seek relief. You are assuming that he is going to hand you something that has some good reasons for the belief that it will help you. You know, clinical trials, curing mice headaches, the works. Instead he hands you a bat's wing and says, "boil this into some tea. I read this in a book I found in a second hand book store on witches spells and I believe it will work" When you give him the stink face he says, "p
[FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God
Very nice piece Jim, and mirrors my own feelings on the subject. There is no Crusader mentality here regarding the belief in God, or a higher power, as some here would like to imagine. Of course in the greater world, this is not the case, but we are having a discussion here, and it is nice to keep it honest. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : All good points, Curtis. Yeah, the God thing is a real conundrum. Something in this universe likes the polarity of it; can't prove it/it is everywhere. Unlike any rational argument, I cannot justify God in any other way, except for a subtle *sense* of His and Her work. There is no way to prove it. It is a sense that has changed throughout my life. I enjoyed Edg's equating God to pure awareness, because as I have come to appreciate God more in my life, a growth in continuous pure awareness has accompanied that. I can appreciate that these experiences of mine are not provable, but what is provable, is the ongoing success and happiness I enjoy, for myself, my family and friends and acquaintances. What is also provable is that way that God enters all my creative work. What is also provable, is that He and She point the way, and I continue to do the heavy lifting. No magical thinking, here, simply a deeper revelation of what it means to be human. So, it simply comes down to a consciousness of God, or not God. Thanks for writing this, and managing to keep a subject close to our hearts, open for discussion. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You are both missing my point. I am not anti-belief. I have a million of them that I have chosen, and some that I just absorbed without good reasons. I am anti bad reasons supporting beliefs. Tomorrow I will be in a class of 5th graders using blues songs to demonstrate how you have to pay attention to the details in a song in order to determine the intended meaning of the songwriter. This is a critical thinking skill, not just in science, but in the arts. If a kid says, "I believe that the writer hates his father", I will say "show me the supporting evidence for that belief." It will not be OK for the child to say "It is my personal belief and you have no right to challenge it by questioning what I am basing it on." This is how good thinking works, we construct beliefs out of the best evidence we can find and don't just make shit up for no reason when it concerns the author's intention. The distinction between a positive belief in God and not accepting the proposed evidence for God is not a comparison of equal beliefs. This distinction is so huge that our whole modern society and way of thinking emerged from the dark ages of superstition and unwarranted beliefs through this gap. "You are a witch" "No I am not" "Prove that you are not a witch or we will burn you alive." Little problem. You can't prove a negative. Because the burden of proof has been shifted from the person with the belief, who by good thinking skills should provide evidence for the claim, to the accused, who has no chance of doing so, we get human toast. Now today we can analyze the evidence and see right through it. Evidence given was often disobedience to their husbands, surprise surprise! Today we say they had shitty reasons for their belief. We judge them. Just like we judge ISIS's shitty reasons for the beliefs supporting the things they are doing. Back to the God belief. People believe in his existence for reasons that are known and categorized by both the belief systems themselves and philosophers interested in human thought and the distinction between good and bad reasons to support a belief. I invite John to let us know the supporting reasons for his belief in God if he would like to continue the discussion. Jim has shown us at least one of his reasons for his belief in God which falls philosophically in the area of mystical experience claims. We then can evaluate how convincing we find this claim. But I don't have to have a belief in the opposite to not judge his reasons as good ones. I can't know if there is a God or if Jim is experiencing a state of mind here this reality is as he claims, self evident. I just see no reason to buy the whole story, So I don't have a belief in no-God which is on a par with the positive belief in a God. I just don't accept the proposed reasons for the belief in him that I have come across to be convincing enough for me to adopt it. I would never undertake the fools errand of proving a negative, and am not interested in trying to support a belief in no-God. I would be just as happy if there was one, but I am not going to accept his existence on the basis of what I consider to be poor reasons. One more example. You go to the doctor with a bitch'n migraine headache and seek relief. You are assuming that he is going to hand you something that has some good reasons for the belief that it will help you. You know, clinical
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
maybe if we say it enough, Barry will get. then again, maybe not. maybe there is a different agenda at work here, this so called "testing memes" aren't we lucky. why not call it what it is, a twenty year experiment of "pushing other people's buttons" to see what rise one can get. Okay, not an particularly endearing trait, but not criminal. But then, distorting what people believe so you can ridicule them? Again, not criminal, but a pretty sad way to communicate. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Turq-No one can *prove* the existence of God to you or anybody else! God can only be proven to yourself through your own *experience*. God is a subjective reality, and as MMY used to say, "The proof is in the pudding", ie the taste!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked...
dang Barry, can you not read? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I must be prescient, having just said: "I honestly think that a large part of the problem is that many of the players on the Believer side of this particular discussion have been indoctrinated by Maharishi not only with poor critical thinking skills, but with an actual false belief. "That is, they believe that their subjective experience constitutes objective proof. "It doesn't, and never will." :-) From: wgm4u To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2014 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Billy Graham: America is Just as Wicked... Turq-No one can *prove* the existence of God to you or anybody else! God can only be proven to yourself through your own *experience*. God is a subjective reality, and as MMY used to say, "The proof is in the pudding", ie the taste!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
That's a nice piece Ann. I feel as though I have a pretty good idea of the "real" person behind people's online persona. I think you might be referring to Barry in some of what you say here. I've had a changing relationship with him. He thinks I've changed. I think he's changed. Honestly. I mean, really honestly. I don't care. I still like him, although I think he is disappointed in me, and I in him, to some extent. But who the hell cares! FFL offers a pleasant back and forth (at least enough of the time), and a chance to hear different perspectives. I like Curtis' input because he will ask you in a genuine way, to justify your position on things, and ask you to share your opinion. Lord knows he is repeatedly asked to defend his position on issues. And it is important, to at some point, say, "fair enough, I guess we see things differently" and then move on. That has been easier to do, these last four, five, or six months. (however long its been) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I may not respond point by point Ann. You and I have our clear channel. I think we get each other. I am more of a one one one poster here. Steve nailed me recently. He said I respond to everyone in sympathetic response to how they respond to me. That was a typical insightful naildown from my brother Steve. You and I do not agree with our perspectives on Barry. But you have separated your view of him from my friendliness toward him. I can't tell you how much I appreciate that Ann. You are a friend here. And in my world. I can be friends with you AND Barry and appreciate you both for different reasons. That is how I roll. I think you roll that way too. Robin was unable to allow me to be connected to people who were hostile toward him and still be friendly with him. You seem able to go beyond this. I like you, and I like Barry. What you do between yourselves is none of my business. Does that work for you? Ahhh, now I get to talk to you friend to friend. Curtis, you know I support you 100% in what I see as your diligent and love-inspired passionate pursuit of your art, your music. No one can ever take that away from you. As an artist you are rarified, you are special because artists have to wade through tough, weed-choked waters. There is little money in it and there is the need to keep moving on and progressing even when things seem to have become comfortable and even profitable in their way. But real artists are never at rest, so it can be grueling and bone-racking. But, I digress. Of course I can appreciate/like someone who likes or believes in something I either dislike or don't ascribe to. bawee commented on my applauding Gervais as if I didn't realize he was an athiest. C'mon, really? Of course I can appreciate someone who may believe very different things than I do - especially when it comes to something as silly as religion or lack of it. But let's not talk about bawee, I have my hands full just smacking him into line day after day - it is an exhausting pursuit but someone has to do it so I sacrifice myself on the wheel of necessity. There will be some reward in heaven for my efforts, I am sure. Curtis, this old internet world is a funny one. Before FFL I never participated in any forums and so I had to figure stuff out. One thing is that while I am a straight shooter (whatever anyone sees of me here is exactly how I am in the flesh) I don't believe this holds true for some others here. For some reason forums are an opportunity to become another part of who they are, or they simply create something they wished they were. I don't know and I don't care. We all operate from where we feel comfortable or even from where we can push ourselves as a sort of exercise in pressing personal limits. But whatever it is, some simply cross the bounds of decency (and I use that word in the old fashioned sense, decency being what is civil, sensitive and truthful). They commit a kind of trespass on the sensibilities of those who are effected by such things. They act like a sort of emotional jack hammer. It's simply not what I seek out in life where so much is beautiful and delicate and can enter your life as the subtlest whisper of revelation and even promise. Jack hammers are a dime a dozen. So, you must be a man of deep capacity to be able to hold within your appreciation myself and someone as different as I am in the form of bawee. Maybe one day I'll get there too.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Barry, are you serious! You completely miss the whole intent of Ann's comment. But, like I said, who cares. You point out what you feel is craziness, stupidity and obsession in other people, and they, (including me) do the same to you. You are no different than the people you criticize, with the exception that you make a point (regularly) that you are unattached to your opinions Welcome to FFL. 80% of the content here are personal attacks, pointing out other people's flaws. And what you've written below is just the perfect example of it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental illness. Many people disagree with this. These sociologists, psychologists, and religious historians believe that history shows us that not *only* is religion indistinguishable from mental illness (think the actions that the Inquisition considered "holy"), it is very, very much communcable (the Inquisition lasted for *800 years*, fucking up Western society in ways that are still felt today). Plus, look at how one person defined their religion just today: "But let's not talk about bawee, I have my hands full just smacking him into line day after day - it is an exhausting pursuit but someone has to do it so I sacrifice myself on the wheel of necessity. There will be some reward in heaven for my efforts, I am sure." This person clearly feels not only that they are going to be rewarded with heaven for stalking the person they've chosen to stalk, but it is their "duty" to stalk him, to "smack him into line day after day," as if 1) she was entitled to, or 2) that ever happened. See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates by claiming it's her religious duty to act like this. This religious fanatic not only admits to being a stalker, she *celebrates* it and hopes to end up in heaven *for* being a stalker. I'd say that was pretty mentally ill, wouldn't you? :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Jesus, salyavin, I gotta tell you, from what I know about you, and what I know about Ann, count me in the Ann camp. On the other hand, maybe there's just not a hell of a lot for you to hang your hat on. A lot of deep thinking perhaps, if that's what you want to call it. P.S. You really play that Judy card, way to often. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental illness. Many people disagree with this. These sociologists, psychologists, and religious historians believe that history shows us that not *only* is religion indistinguishable from mental illness (think the actions that the Inquisition considered "holy"), it is very, very much communcable (the Inquisition lasted for *800 years*, fucking up Western society in ways that are still felt today). Plus, look at how one person defined their religion just today: "But let's not talk about bawee, I have my hands full just smacking him into line day after day - it is an exhausting pursuit but someone has to do it so I sacrifice myself on the wheel of necessity. There will be some reward in heaven for my efforts, I am sure." This person clearly feels not only that they are going to be rewarded with heaven for stalking the person they've chosen to stalk, but it is their "duty" to stalk him, to "smack him into line day after day," as if 1) she was entitled to, or 2) that ever happened. See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates by claiming it's her religious duty to act like this. This religious fanatic not only admits to being a stalker, she *celebrates* it and hopes to end up in heaven *for* being a stalker. I'd say that was pretty mentally ill, wouldn't you? :-) :-) :-) It's seriously weird behaviour, channelling Judy perhaps? I wonder who the intended audience is? Maybe there's an imaginary one that applauds every such post. That would be a sign of poor mental health!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: New version of "If I Had A Rocket Launcher"
Rushing here, but yes Share, very revealing about the Barster. But, it's just the button pushing mentality. That's the only way it makes sense. ( and of course, what it really reveals) Quite a rut. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Buck and Jim sitting around?! Really, turq?! Duh! Buck runs an Iowa farm, which is year round, definitely not for the faint hearted nor the lazy. And Jim is homesteading, which I'm sure has its own set of physical demands on a daily basis. Your allegations are not only mean spirited, but simply erroneous. On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 4:28 AM, "turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Following up, for those who know the song but not the story of how and why it was written, here it is, another excerpt from the upcoming memoir "Rumours Of Glory." Rated not for the faint-hearted, and not for people like Buck and Jim, who prefer their sitting-on-their-fat-asses fantasizing how the world works to actually getting off those fat asses and going there to see how it really works. Rumours of Glory: A Memoir by Bruce Cockburn (Excerpt: Chapter 11) https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 Rumours of Glory: A Memoir by Bruce Cockburn (Excerp... https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 Legendary Canadian singer and songwriter Bruce Cockburn delivers his long-awaited memoir—a chronicle of faith, fear, and activism that is also a lively cu... View on www.scribd.com https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For the few Bruce Cockburn fans here, this is just a smokin' video version of Bruce performing one of his signature songs, from the new DVD included in the upcoming "Rumours Of Glory" set. This should be the theme song playing in the background when you look up "Revolution Theology" in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be Preview by Yahoo
[FairfieldLife] Re: New version of "If I Had A Rocket Launcher"
I mean, what does this say about someone who wants to share something, but can't do so, without a gratuitous slam. I mean, I'm trying to figure out the dynamics of the same destination being the place one goes (evidently out of lack of options) for social interaction with a place where one despises most of the active participants. Like, I will share something because I really want to share it with someone, but just so you know, I do it under protest because you are a &%&$#* in my book. And thoughts Xeno? (-; ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Following up, for those who know the song but not the story of how and why it was written, here it is, another excerpt from the upcoming memoir "Rumours Of Glory." Rated not for the faint-hearted, and not for people like Buck and Jim, who prefer their sitting-on-their-fat-asses fantasizing how the world works to actually getting off those fat asses and going there to see how it really works. Rumours of Glory: A Memoir by Bruce Cockburn (Excerpt: Chapter 11) https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 Rumours of Glory: A Memoir by Bruce Cockburn (Excerp... https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 Legendary Canadian singer and songwriter Bruce Cockburn delivers his long-awaited memoir—a chronicle of faith, fear, and activism that is also a lively cu... View on www.scribd.com https://www.scribd.com/doc/243718681/Rumours-of-Glory-A-Memoir-by-Bruce-Cockburn-Excerpt-Chapter-11 Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : For the few Bruce Cockburn fans here, this is just a smokin' video version of Bruce performing one of his signature songs, from the new DVD included in the upcoming "Rumours Of Glory" set. This should be the theme song playing in the background when you look up "Revolution Theology" in the Catholic Encyclopedia. Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be Bruce Cockburn - If I Had A Rocket Launcher LIVE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vOCcFB5eqg&feature=youtu.be Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Barry, what the hell are you saying? Tell me it's not the same 'ol diatribe. Maybe I'll have time to read it later. How many posts have you written denigrating the place here, and it's participants, every hour, every day, letting us know what a waste of time it is for your to participate. That irony is lost on you. But, whatever... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental illness. Many people disagree with this. These sociologists, psychologists, and religious historians believe that history shows us that not *only* is religion indistinguishable from mental illness (think the actions that the Inquisition considered "holy"), it is very, very much communcable (the Inquisition lasted for *800 years*, fucking up Western society in ways that are still felt today). Plus, look at how one person defined their religion just today: "But let's not talk about bawee, I have my hands full just smacking him into line day after day - it is an exhausting pursuit but someone has to do it so I sacrifice myself on the wheel of necessity. There will be some reward in heaven for my efforts, I am sure." This person clearly feels not only that they are going to be rewarded with heaven for stalking the person they've chosen to stalk, but it is their "duty" to stalk him, to "smack him into line day after day," as if 1) she was entitled to, or 2) that ever happened. See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates by claiming it's her religious duty to act like this. This religious fanatic not only admits to being a stalker, she *celebrates* it and hopes to end up in heaven *for* being a stalker. I'd say that was pretty mentally ill, wouldn't you? :-) :-) :-) It's seriously weird behaviour, channelling Judy perhaps? I wonder who the intended audience is? Maybe there's an imaginary one that applauds every such post. That would be a sign of poor mental health! Well, before I started moving Ann's messages to the Deranged Stalkers From Hell folder, I seem to remember her being the person who claimed to know for sure that nothing bad had happened to Judy. That would indicate that they were in communication, right? So my bet is that Ann's "audience" is in fact the person who has been directing her stalking efforts from behind the scenes. But even if this isn't the case, I would suggest that...uh...overestimating one's "audience" IS, in fact, a sign of mental illness. For example, several times now over the years I have asked Jim Flanegin to settle once and for all the issue of whether anyone actually *believes* his claims to be enlightened by simply ASKING. All it would take is for him to post to FFL, asking those who *do* believe he's enlightened to reply and say so. He has steadfastly refused to do this, all while insinuating that he has "friends" here, as if the fact that they pat him on the back when he stalks the people he was told to stalk means that they actually believe his claim to be enlightened. Heck, even *Nabby* has never said he thinks Jim is enlightened. Nabby probably thinks David Lynch and the occasional scarecrow next to a crop circle are enlightened, but he doesn't think Jim is. Says a lot, right? :-) The clear "sign of poor mental health" IMO is the fact that these people -- at this point, primarily Ann, Jim, Richard, and Steve -- seem to feel that they have not only the right but a "duty" to harass and stalk those on this forum they don't like. I suggest that what they're really trying to do is SILENCE these people they stalk, because *they* don't like what they say. The deranged stalkers *pretend* that they're doing this stalking "for the good of the forum," or "to protect those who might be taken in or misled by what these liars might say," but of course we all know that the members of the original Inquisition said exactly the same thing about why *they* were deranged stalkers. I would suggest that the bottom line about Ann, Jim, Richard, and Steve's sanity is whether anyone is actually paying any attention to what they write. I don't read their posts, so they're not talking to me. even though they often pretend to be. Almost no one else bothers to reply to their stalker posts, so it would seem that they aren't really talking to these people they're claiming to be "protecting," either. Thus it seems clear that they are
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Ann, it appears that agreement with Barry, trumps any kind of rational thinking with sal. go figger! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental illness. Many people disagree with this. These sociologists, psychologists, and religious historians believe that history shows us that not *only* is religion indistinguishable from mental illness (think the actions that the Inquisition considered "holy"), it is very, very much communcable (the Inquisition lasted for *800 years*, fucking up Western society in ways that are still felt today). Plus, look at how one person defined their religion just today: "But let's not talk about bawee, I have my hands full just smacking him into line day after day - it is an exhausting pursuit but someone has to do it so I sacrifice myself on the wheel of necessity. There will be some reward in heaven for my efforts, I am sure." This person clearly feels not only that they are going to be rewarded with heaven for stalking the person they've chosen to stalk, but it is their "duty" to stalk him, to "smack him into line day after day," as if 1) she was entitled to, or 2) that ever happened. See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates by claiming it's her religious duty to act like this. This religious fanatic not only admits to being a stalker, she *celebrates* it and hopes to end up in heaven *for* being a stalker. I'd say that was pretty mentally ill, wouldn't you? :-) :-) :-) It's seriously weird behaviour, channelling Judy perhaps? I wonder who the intended audience is? Maybe there's an imaginary one that applauds every such post. That would be a sign of poor mental health! Sal, and here I thought you were a smart guy. Guess not. Puh-leeze, go look up some chemistry formula 'cause you certainly lack the ability to recognize satire when you see it. Leave the literary pursuits to those who have a sense of humour.
[FairfieldLife] Re: To Curtis
Ann, I noticed the same thing. Maybe it is just coincidence. I'd hate to think the pettiness is that imbedded. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Hey again, I seem to have started something when I wrote my little message to you last night. I certainly didn't expect the negative reaction I got for expressing to you some of my thoughts. I sort of skimmed bawee's rather incendiary comments (not sure why he got all flummoxed) but couldn't get past the first post on this but I think it went on a bit with Sal chiming in. Anyway, this place does seem to bring out the 'interesting' in people and I like Buck's post a lot. It was a chance to see him in a way I have yet to have witnessed and his message was a good one. Kindness seems to be one of those things that should be kept ready in one's bag of goodies as one goes about one's day. Kindness is a keeper - it isn't one of those things that goes over the top very often, it sort of sits in the middle of those things we could call "good deeds and intentions". It is often not too cloying nor does it seem to slip into the saccharine or overly sentimental. Yes, I will embrace kindness today; Buck has inspired me. Have a good one - inspire the little ones (your students) today with some insight and magic that comes with living and loving art.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
okay, good goal Ann, but your normal style of functioning. It's just when we see something that seems out of whack, we comment on it. To Barry that's being obsessed, or stalking. He, of course is beyond most, if not all, human foibles. A model of unattachment. A button pusher on high. Or at least that's what he says. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Ann, it appears that agreement with Barry, trumps any kind of rational thinking with sal. go figger! Yes, but "kindness" is my goal today (although I always find it easy to be kind to my animals) so I will hold off commenting on this excellent insight of yours. (Oops, I think I did comment by saying it was "excellent".)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Ann, I am sure you have noticed, this "reading comprehension" issue with Barry. The brain "filia" that are responsible for nuance, seem to have gotten flattened, or something. I mean, it is sort of funny, but sad too. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness As to the first question, mental illness perhaps results from atypical wiring and growth of the brain, causes not necessarily known. Mental illness is not considered a contagious disease. So contrary to the title Barry gave to this thread, the hook if you will, belief in god is not a mental illness. Many people disagree with this. These sociologists, psychologists, and religious historians believe that history shows us that not *only* is religion indistinguishable from mental illness (think the actions that the Inquisition considered "holy"), it is very, very much communcable (the Inquisition lasted for *800 years*, fucking up Western society in ways that are still felt today). Plus, look at how one person defined their religion just today: "But let's not talk about bawee, I have my hands full just smacking him into line day after day - it is an exhausting pursuit but someone has to do it so I sacrifice myself on the wheel of necessity. There will be some reward in heaven for my efforts, I am sure." This person clearly feels not only that they are going to be rewarded with heaven for stalking the person they've chosen to stalk, but it is their "duty" to stalk him, to "smack him into line day after day," as if 1) she was entitled to, or 2) that ever happened. Oh my God! Still irony challenged, I see. Did you really, really take this seriously? I'm sure Curtis "got it" but it went clean over your addled head. This is seriously funny, you actually thought I was not being ironic when I said this. Surely the "my reward will be in heaven" part was the giveaway? See what I mean about religion being a form of mental illness? Here you have a person who chooses to excuse her stalking behavior and obsession on one particular person she hates by claiming it's her religious duty to act like this. This religious fanatic not only admits to being a stalker, she *celebrates* it and hopes to end up in heaven *for* being a stalker. I'd say that was pretty mentally ill, wouldn't you? :-) :-) :-)
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
who did you say was channeling Judy, sal? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: salyavin808 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Well, before I started moving Ann's messages to the Deranged Stalkers From Hell folder, I seem to remember her being the person who claimed to know for sure that nothing bad had happened to Judy. That would indicate that they were in communication, right? So my bet is that Ann's "audience" is in fact the person who has been directing her stalking efforts from behind the scenes. She certainly seems to have taken over the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto! Indeed. Even *Judy* never admitted to having read my book as research material with which to better stalk me the way Ann has admitted to doing lately. Wasn't it Judy herself who once defined stalking as follows: "I might also point out that searching the Web for information to use against somebody is standard cyberstalking behavior." -- Judy Stein, FFL, 11 February 2013 But I don't read any of it either, it's too easy to tell from message view what a post is going to be about with some people. Judy was considerate and always started a Barry post with "Note that Barry says" so we knew we could safely scroll past those. If Ann wants anyone to read anything that isn't "Bawee" related she should take up that technique or suffer the realisation one day that nobody real is reading what she obviously spends a lot of time typing. I've really never understood those who feel that I or others might be "missing" important information by merely scanning the Message View of their posts and skipping the rest. One would really have to be a cretin to NOT know what one of these people were going to say in their posts from the first couple of lines of them. It's not, after all, as if they have that much *range* in the things they say. With Ann, one appearance of "bawee" is a guaranteed tipoff that she needed her Hate Fix for the day and that it's safe to skip the post in which she tried to shoot it up. Sometimes you have to admit that you just don't like someone and let them get on with whatever it is they do. Continually going on about it is pointless. And continuing to claim that she's not obsessing on me while *obviously* obsessing on me is not only pointless, but more than a little insane. But I have similar feelings with TV, some people complain that most of it is crap but if it wasn't there'd be no time to do anything else! My glass is clearly half-full. But even if this isn't the case, I would suggest that...uh...overestimating one's "audience" IS, in fact, a sign of mental illness. For example, several times now over the years I have asked Jim Flanegin to settle once and for all the issue of whether anyone actually *believes* his claims to be enlightened by simply ASKING. All it would take is for him to post to FFL, asking those who *do* believe he's enlightened to reply and say so. He has steadfastly refused to do this, all while insinuating that he has "friends" here, as if the fact that they pat him on the back when he stalks the people he was told to stalk means that they actually believe his claim to be enlightened. Heck, even *Nabby* has never said he thinks Jim is enlightened. Nabby probably thinks David Lynch and the occasional scarecrow next to a crop circle are enlightened, but he doesn't think Jim is. Says a lot, right? :-) It's strangely comforting to know that there are some things that Nabby doesn't believe. It betrays a thought process of some sort going on in there that doesn't depend on youtube for confirmation. Good for him. What, after all, would you or anyone else sane THINK of someone who actually *did* believe Jim's claims to be enlightened? The prospect of such a person existing is almost scarier than Jim existing. :-) The clear "sign of poor mental health" IMO is the fact that these people -- at this point, primarily Ann, Jim, Richard, and Steve -- seem to feel that they have not only the right but a "duty" to harass and stalk those on this forum they don't like. I suggest that what they're really trying to do is SILENCE these people they stalk, because *they* don't like what they say. The deranged stalkers *pretend* that they're doing this stalking "for the good of the forum," or "to protect those who might be taken in or misled by what these liars might say," but of course we all know that the members of the original Inquisition said exactly the same thing about why *they* were deranged stalkers. I would suggest that the bottom line about Ann, Jim, Richard, and Steve's sanity is whether anyone is actually paying any attention to what they write. I don't read their posts, so they're not talking to me. even though they often pretend to be. Almost no one else bothers to reply to their stalker posts, so it would seem that they aren't really talking to these people th
Re: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Is it possible, she may have found true love in Toronto? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You forget, JR claimed that according to Judy's jyotish she had met with some horrible accident. From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 9:28 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people at times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture. There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for years by force of his experience, personality and writing. I would miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of this forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community. Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the end. I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process. Jai Guru Dev, -Buck in the Dome
Re: [FairfieldLife] ATTENTION RICK -- Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
I quite agree with what Curtis has said to Buck. He conveyed clearly. Now, take a look at your reply. Your first reply was reasonable. But then you display perfectly the characteristic why a member of this forum, that you respect, referred to you as an "reaction vampire" You nailed it. Maybe one day, you will come to grips with this decidedly unattractive trait, instead of attempting to pin this same description on those you disagree with. And just remember, you didn't hear it from me. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ATTENTION RICK -- Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness I'm glad Curtis said something because if he hadn't I would have. I think we all know that "Buck" doesn't live anywhere even near to reality, but this is so over the top as to have to be dealt with by Rick. I think Buck should be thrown off the forum for essentially calling Michael a terrorist. This cult mentality that he represents is getting scary. Do you really want "Buck" to represent the level of paranoia and "them vs. us" senility that TMers display when someone does *nothing more* than criticize the organization they identify with? And, as Curtis points out, criticism appearing in a post that *THEY freely chose to click on and read*? It's not as if "Buck" doesn't know ahead of time what he's going to find in one of Michael's posts. It's not as if Steve or Ann or Richard or any of the other cult whiners don't know what they are going to find in the posts that THEY choose to click on and read. Fuckin' cult whiners. You can always tell when a cult has reached the point where it's about to implode when its members have to invent "faux outrages" to pretend to be affronted by to maintain the illusion of their self importance. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote : D: Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate M: OK, he speaks his opinions about the movement freely here... D: and behavior to be like Hamas M: His "behavior is to speak his mind. Hamas's behavior is actually killing people. Kinda different don't you think? D: and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some rights to defend themselves for their life against terrorism and attack which may threaten their very existence. You are a good example of that attack and terrorism for the TM community. I find you terribly interesting in this by example. M: I find it interesting that you are connecting his free speech with terrorist acts of violence against community of people who never have to click on what they say unless they want to to rile themselves up like you do. This is way over the line "Buck." The violent imagery is disturbing and it is a creepy reaction to someone with a different POV on a movement HE was a part of himself and therefor certainly has a legitimate right to his own opinion about it all. D: Once again in the news we have an example of 'group coalescing' to protect themselves individually and their very life to exist as a group: M: So a guy posts a different opinion than you have on a 2000 person at best yahoo group and the whole TM movement is rocked to the core as if someone strapped on a bomb and walked into a marketplace and blew up women, children and men. Over the line and creepy, not to mention an indictment of the fragility of a movement who can't take the criticism of someone who left the group. I think you missed your cult "Buck", you should have been a Scientologist. He didn't misrepresent you, you are comparing him to a terrorist group that actually kills people so we are killing them with drone strikes. You are not qualifying your comparison, you are making it plainly. You are also trivializing actual people who actually kill people and blow up babies to protect yourself from your own choice of reading an opinion you do not share. Scientology Top Managers In Action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 Scientology Top Managers In Action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 For licensing / permission to use: Contact - licensing(at)jukinmediadotcom Three of Scientology's top management personnel ambushing a former member of scien... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 Preview by Yahoo Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the events on Parliament Hill "an attack on our values." Stephen Harper described the attacker as a terrorist and promised to "redouble" anti-terror efforts.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
Barry is going to town with this smoking gun, he thinks he's found. Trying to indict the whole TMO with an extreme comment by one of its members. I predict this will be a "ho hum" incident for anyone excepting Barry, and likely Michael. Although Michael, has maintained a bit of lower profile lately. Yes, this must certainly be Barry's best day of the year, capping his 20 year effort to get someone to recognize a extreme view of a chat room participant. Let's give it up for Barry. (or at least a Bronx cheer) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Transcendental Mediation is not a religion." - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Doug Hamilton is an increasingly senile cultist who thinks that anyone who criticizes something he likes is a terrorist." - Sensible Americans Today, October 24 edition From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. Ditto, Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth. Saha Nav, satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way priyam ca nanritam bruyat don't speak untruth in a pleasant way esha dharmah sanatanah || this is the eternal law Or, TM Saha Nav: never do we speak negativity, never do we denounce anyone, http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 Apostasy is just wrong thinking clearly getting over the line. Or as the Shakers would have said in their way, "Out of Union with the Gospel." -Buck An apostate of course is different from someone just being a critic. The critic, who as a satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism as in a state of critique. Such critique is then also quite different in grade from those others being more negative and then again from states of pernicious negativity advocacy, like those people who are both quitters and haters in method. That becomes a pretty clear sign of someone who has fallen in to TM apostasy. We should be mindful and clear about this as we filter our reading and interacting with our fellow community members here. That is justly good and sound subtle spirituality. Yes, like considering the source of posts I certainly sort my incoming mail accordingly. Om we should have, we could have better sorted the FFL membership here accordingly from way back with more aggressive moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here. Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right. Saha Nav, -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme Yes, that 'Disaffiliation'; Friends, for any of us we certainly know an apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
I guess the only remaining question is, if a framed copy of this "blurb", (I haven't had time to look at it), will take its place next to Barry's prized ceremonial robe of the Buddhist Lama he is so fond of. Will it rank that high? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Barry is going to town with this smoking gun, he thinks he's found. Trying to indict the whole TMO with an extreme comment by one of its members. I predict this will be a "ho hum" incident for anyone excepting Barry, and likely Michael. Although Michael, has maintained a bit of lower profile lately. Yes, this must certainly be Barry's best day of the year, capping his 20 year effort to get someone to recognize a extreme view of a chat room participant. Let's give it up for Barry. (or at least a Bronx cheer) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Transcendental Mediation is not a religion." - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Doug Hamilton is an increasingly senile cultist who thinks that anyone who criticizes something he likes is a terrorist." - Sensible Americans Today, October 24 edition From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. Ditto, Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth. Saha Nav, satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way priyam ca nanritam bruyat don't speak untruth in a pleasant way esha dharmah sanatanah || this is the eternal law Or, TM Saha Nav: never do we speak negativity, never do we denounce anyone, http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 Apostasy is just wrong thinking clearly getting over the line. Or as the Shakers would have said in their way, "Out of Union with the Gospel." -Buck An apostate of course is different from someone just being a critic. The critic, who as a satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism as in a state of critique. Such critique is then also quite different in grade from those others being more negative and then again from states of pernicious negativity advocacy, like those people who are both quitters and haters in method. That becomes a pretty clear sign of someone who has fallen in to TM apostasy. We should be mindful and clear about this as we filter our reading and interacting with our fellow community members here. That is justly good and sound subtle spirituality. Yes, like considering the source of posts I certainly sort my incoming mail accordingly. Om we should have, we could have better sorted the FFL membership here accordingly from way back with more aggressive moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here. Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right. Saha Nav, -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme Yes, that 'Disaffiliation'; Friends, for any of us we certainly know an apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing.
or at least occupy a prominent place in Barry's scrapbook. Likely next to an artist's rendering of the time Barry, and Zen Master Rama occupied two side by side urinals at a truck stop. Oh yea. Either before, or after that rendering, I am sure. (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I guess the only remaining question is, if a framed copy of this "blurb", (I haven't had time to look at it), will take its place next to Barry's prized ceremonial robe of the Buddhist Lama he is so fond of. Will it rank that high? (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Barry is going to town with this smoking gun, he thinks he's found. Trying to indict the whole TMO with an extreme comment by one of its members. I predict this will be a "ho hum" incident for anyone excepting Barry, and likely Michael. Although Michael, has maintained a bit of lower profile lately. Yes, this must certainly be Barry's best day of the year, capping his 20 year effort to get someone to recognize a extreme view of a chat room participant. Let's give it up for Barry. (or at least a Bronx cheer) (-: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Transcendental Mediation is not a religion." - Maharishi Mahesh Yogi "Doug Hamilton is an increasingly senile cultist who thinks that anyone who criticizes something he likes is a terrorist." - Sensible Americans Today, October 24 edition From: "dhamiltony2k5@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 1:32 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Apostasy, is a terrible thing. Ditto, Spiritually, people should speak the sweet truth. Saha Nav, satyam bruyat, priyam bruyat speak the truth, speak sweetly na bruyat satyam apriyam | don't speak truth in an unloving way priyam ca nanritam bruyat don't speak untruth in a pleasant way esha dharmah sanatanah || this is the eternal law Or, TM Saha Nav: never do we speak negativity, never do we denounce anyone, http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/365694 Apostasy is just wrong thinking clearly getting over the line. Or as the Shakers would have said in their way, "Out of Union with the Gospel." -Buck An apostate of course is different from someone just being a critic. The critic, who as a satisfied and regular practitioner may offer some criticism as in a state of critique. Such critique is then also quite different in grade from those others being more negative and then again from states of pernicious negativity advocacy, like those people who are both quitters and haters in method. That becomes a pretty clear sign of someone who has fallen in to TM apostasy. We should be mindful and clear about this as we filter our reading and interacting with our fellow community members here. That is justly good and sound subtle spirituality. Yes, like considering the source of posts I certainly sort my incoming mail accordingly. Om we should have, we could have better sorted the FFL membership here accordingly from way back with more aggressive moderation against the apostaic spam of outright apostasy here. Posting on FFL should be held a privilege and not just some right. Saha Nav, -Buck, a Satisfied Customer by the Practise of Maharishi's Transcendental Meditation Programme Yes, that 'Disaffiliation'; Friends, for any of us we certainly know an apostate when we see one. For instance, with The Science of Creative Intelligence of which TM is the practical application. Seeing as US jurisprudence judges SCI to be a Religion it would not be a stretch to say that people who would renounce TM just by dropping or quitting the practice of said meditation and who then promote publicly against TM with an advocacy of negativity are in fact in an apostate state: apostate, as apostates in apostasy. Q.E.D., TM Apostates.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Michael, let's be honest. You happened to latch onto TM. This diatribe, your standard diatribe,is the expression of a latent tendency that was waiting to manifest towards something. The analogies, or comparisons you cite below really make no sense, just a bunch of name calling. As has been expressed many times, good luck with finding something on which you can gain some transaction, other than this negativity trough you feed at so regularly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Very little use in addressing this to Fairfield Life's most whacked out denizen but in fact I have to hate towards the Movement. If a man walks into bank, pulls out a gun, demands money, gets it and runs away there is not ate in calling him what he is, a thief or crook. Marshy was a liar, a cheat, a con artist. Simple. His Movement has followed in his footsteps. The leadership of the Movement from its top to its low level managers have consistently shown a lack of compassion, a willingness to lie to and manipulate people they have some authority over and to in general behave in ways that could hardly be called enlightened or even decent by common standards of behavior. They are often abusive, arrogant and so elitist as to be divorced from any sort of common everyday reality that most of us live in. These are facts, not hate. It has been my choice to stand up to liars and con artists and tell it like it is. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Buck is right. The hate MJ represents is on the same level of extremity as any terrorrist. The only difference is he hasn't crossed the line into violence, yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate and behavior to be like Hamas and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some rights to defend themselves for their life against terrorism and attack which may threaten their very existence. You are a good example of that attack and terrorism for the TM community. I find you terribly interesting in this by example. Once again in the news we have an example of 'group coalescing' to protect themselves individually and their very life to exist as a group: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the events on Parliament Hill "an attack on our values." Stephen Harper described the attacker as a terrorist and promised to "redouble" anti-terror efforts. "In fact, this will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts... to take all necessary steps to identify and counter threats and keep Canada safe." Om Canada! -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: This from the guy who said I and people like me should be targeted with drone strikes. ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people at times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture. There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that
Re: [FairfieldLife] ATTENTION RICK -- Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
This does hi-light a difference between you and the turq, Michael. You are a little more courageous and less petty than I figured. Yes, the representatives of the different pov's here speak for themselves, and others can decide what conclusions to draw. This faux outrage on Barry's part is always so hilarious. Yes, Buck you a terrorist is out of line. But, really, do you think Barry is really concerned about your welfare? Well, maybe just a little, but the real payoff, the giant payoff for Barry is a chance to "get back" at Buck for views that Barry finds so bothersome, this little terrorist comment, not withstanding. I think, really, it points out the pent up frustration, or anger, or something Barry has built up. Again, good luck. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Awww, I don't think Rick should boot him from FFL. I think he and Nabby provide good reminders of what bizarre mind sets TM can lead to. Plus, if Rick did kick him off, given his past ass booting the Movement gave him for seeing other so called spiritual teachers and growing a beard, getting kicked off FFL could trigger a major PTSD type meltdown on Buck's part. I would hate to think of him chasing his sheep around in the pastures calling them neganauts and shouting at them for not being more respectful of Marshy and Company. From: "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] ATTENTION RICK -- Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness I'm glad Curtis said something because if he hadn't I would have. I think we all know that "Buck" doesn't live anywhere even near to reality, but this is so over the top as to have to be dealt with by Rick. I think Buck should be thrown off the forum for essentially calling Michael a terrorist. This cult mentality that he represents is getting scary. Do you really want "Buck" to represent the level of paranoia and "them vs. us" senility that TMers display when someone does *nothing more* than criticize the organization they identify with? From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote : D: Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate M: OK, he speaks his opinions about the movement freely here... D: and behavior to be like Hamas M: His "behavior is to speak his mind. Hamas's behavior is actually killing people. Kinda different don't you think? D: and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some rights to defend themselves for their life against terrorism and attack which may threaten their very existence. You are a good example of that attack and terrorism for the TM community. I find you terribly interesting in this by example. M: I find it interesting that you are connecting his free speech with terrorist acts of violence against community of people who never have to click on what they say unless they want to to rile themselves up like you do. This is way over the line "Buck." The violent imagery is disturbing and it is a creepy reaction to someone with a different POV on a movement HE was a part of himself and therefor certainly has a legitimate right to his own opinion about it all. D: Once again in the news we have an example of 'group coalescing' to protect themselves individually and their very life to exist as a group: M: So a guy posts a different opinion than you have on a 2000 person at best yahoo group and the whole TM movement is rocked to the core as if someone strapped on a bomb and walked into a marketplace and blew up women, children and men. Over the line and creepy, not to mention an indictment of the fragility of a movement who can't take the criticism of someone who left the group. I think you missed your cult "Buck", you should have been a Scientologist. He didn't misrepresent you, you are comparing him to a terrorist group that actually kills people so we are killing them with drone strikes. You are not qualifying your comparison, you are making it plainly. You are also trivializing actual people who actually kill people and blow up babies to protect yourself from your own choice of reading an opinion you do not share. Scientology Top Managers In Action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 Scientology Top Managers In Action https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 For licensing / permission to use: Contact - licensing(at)jukinmediadotcom Three of Scientology's top management personnel ambushing a former member of scien... View on www.youtube.com https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG70fhg0wL4 Preview by Yahoo Canadian Prime Minister
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
This sounds like a pretzeling "moment" ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a "belief in God is a form of mental illness." > On 10/24/2014 12:03 AM, blue_bungalow_2@... mailto:blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > This could explain how Winthrop and Albert worked on the non-weapon part, of an exclusively weapons project, in which one of them was denied security clearance. > This is an example of cognitive dissonance - the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. What I'm trying to do is alert Barry that he is exhibiting some roughness by posting contradictory messages to the group. Everyone already knows that Barry believes in Buddhas, karma, and reincarnation and that he bought and read Sam Harris' new book. Everyone already knows that (except apparently Xeno). The thing that doesn't make any sense is, why Barry didn't understand what Harris wrote. It seems pretty simple to me. Harris makes a clear case for the value of spirituality, which he bases on his experiences in Buddhist meditation. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Michael, let's be honest. You happened to latch onto TM. This diatribe, your standard diatribe,is the expression of a latent tendency that was waiting to manifest towards something, IMO of course. The analogies, or comparisons you cite below really make no sense, just a bunch of name calling. As has been expressed many times, good luck with finding something on which you can gain some transaction, other than this negativity trough you feed at so regularly. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Very little use in addressing this to Fairfield Life's most whacked out denizen but in fact I have to hate towards the Movement. If a man walks into bank, pulls out a gun, demands money, gets it and runs away there is not ate in calling him what he is, a thief or crook. Marshy was a liar, a cheat, a con artist. Simple. His Movement has followed in his footsteps. The leadership of the Movement from its top to its low level managers have consistently shown a lack of compassion, a willingness to lie to and manipulate people they have some authority over and to in general behave in ways that could hardly be called enlightened or even decent by common standards of behavior. They are often abusive, arrogant and so elitist as to be divorced from any sort of common everyday reality that most of us live in. These are facts, not hate. It has been my choice to stand up to liars and con artists and tell it like it is. From: nablusoss1008 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:54 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness Buck is right. The hate MJ represents is on the same level of extremity as any terrorrist. The only difference is he hasn't crossed the line into violence, yet. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate and behavior to be like Hamas and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some rights to defend themselves for their life against terrorism and attack which may threaten their very existence. You are a good example of that attack and terrorism for the TM community. I find you terribly interesting in this by example. Once again in the news we have an example of 'group coalescing' to protect themselves individually and their very life to exist as a group: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the events on Parliament Hill "an attack on our values." Stephen Harper described the attacker as a terrorist and promised to "redouble" anti-terror efforts. "In fact, this will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts... to take all necessary steps to identify and counter threats and keep Canada safe." Om Canada! -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: This from the guy who said I and people like me should be targeted with drone strikes. ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people at times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture. There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of th
[FairfieldLife] Re: It's OK...no one will miss NYC anyway...
Is this in some way, Maharishi's fault? Some many other things are. Could this just be one of them? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Cops Dump Gloves, Masks From Ebola Scene Into Corner Garbage Can http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Cops Dump Gloves, Masks From Ebola Scene Into Corner... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Police working the scene around the Manhattan apartment of the doctor diagnosed with Ebola were wearing gloves and masks for their protection, but photos and vide... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Ouch! When you encounter it? Really? Are we speaking about the TMO? So, I guess you are just surfing the net, and by some weird coincidence, you just end up here. Oookayyy. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I don't really hate it - its just that when I encounter it, my nose sort of curls up as if I were riding down the road with my car windows open and I happen to ride by a pig farm or a paper mill - both are quite odoriferous. Nappy will probably have to look that word up - it means something that stinks real shore nuff bad. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Buck is right. The hate MJ represents is on the same level of extremity as any terrorrist. The only difference is he hasn't crossed the line into violence, yet. M: Having some trouble with Mr. Distinctions today are we? Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous "yet" when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind. Even when I was a good little Maharishi teacher I would recognize your brand of slanderous shoot-the-messenger routine as foul. Both you and Buck disgrace your dead teacher's memory by acting like this. You two are doing more harm to the movement you claim to love than anything Michael has ever written here. He may hate the movement, but your extreme idiocy actually harms it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Om No, MJ you misrepresent me here. I likened you and the nature of your extreme hate and behavior to be like Hamas and said I could empathize with Obama in his having to dealing with ISIS and that level of such threats for instance. I can 'understand' his position. Groups certainly have some rights to defend themselves for their life against terrorism and attack which may threaten their very existence. You are a good example of that attack and terrorism for the TM community. I find you terribly interesting in this by example. Once again in the news we have an example of 'group coalescing' to protect themselves individually and their very life to exist as a group: Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper called the events on Parliament Hill "an attack on our values." Stephen Harper described the attacker as a terrorist and promised to "redouble" anti-terror efforts. "In fact, this will lead us to strengthen our resolve and redouble our efforts... to take all necessary steps to identify and counter threats and keep Canada safe." Om Canada! -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: This from the guy who said I and people like me should be targeted with drone strikes. ? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the gusto!” No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often is everything. That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue of her mind about things and by life experience as context about things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people at times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture. There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for years by force of his experience, personality and writing. I would miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of this forum. In the same way I feel it was rea
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Richard, you want something silly? I give you something silly. Barry is having a near panic attack, pleading, insisting that someone explain to him the importance of the experience of unbounded awareness. I guess he's got a turd he wants to drop on that or something. But, here. Get this. Ask Barry to explain, how as a declared atheist, he explains karma, and rebirth, (which he is on record of buying into), and he mumbles, "It's not important. It doesn't matter. No, not important at all" Richard, explain that to me, please,it you can. Go figure? No. I haven't figured that out. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/24/2014 8:44 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: This sounds like a pretzeling "moment" > It seems dirt simple to me. We are all bound by karma, which means actions, past and present. If a person does good deeds, he or she will be reborn in a better life. On the other hand, if a person does bad things, in the past or present, he or she will get reborn in hell, or a less than satisfactory situation. It's not complicated. In some rare cases, if a person follows a spiritual path, does the work and realizes enlightenment, that person, if he or she has really good karma, may not have to be reborn again, unless they choose to do so, to help the rest of the world get free. But, you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you are going to get. So, based on my experience, what I've been told and what I have figured out - I believe in Life; what it does to you and what you do back. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:punditster@... wrote : Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about Barry's claim that a "belief in God is a form of mental illness." > On 10/24/2014 12:03 AM, blue_bungalow_2@... mailto:blue_bungalow_2@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: > This could explain how Winthrop and Albert worked on the non-weapon part, of an exclusively weapons project, in which one of them was denied security clearance. > This is an example of cognitive dissonance - the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time. What I'm trying to do is alert Barry that he is exhibiting some roughness by posting contradictory messages to the group. Everyone already knows that Barry believes in Buddhas, karma, and reincarnation and that he bought and read Sam Harris' new book. Everyone already knows that (except apparently Xeno). The thing that doesn't make any sense is, why Barry didn't understand what Harris wrote. It seems pretty simple to me. Harris makes a clear case for the value of spirituality, which he bases on his experiences in Buddhist meditation. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's OK...no one will miss NYC anyway...
You are asking him to be outrageous, and he will probably comply. Here comes the wind up, the stretch, and what I anticipate to be a "how stupid are Americans" reply. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : Wow, turq, really?! It sounds like you're saying that it would be ok with you if all the people in NYC die from ebola. Is that what you're saying? On Friday, October 24, 2014 7:58 AM, "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" wrote: Cops Dump Gloves, Masks From Ebola Scene Into Corner Garbage Can http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Cops Dump Gloves, Masks From Ebola Scene Into Corner... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Police working the scene around the Manhattan apartment of the doctor diagnosed with Ebola were wearing gloves and masks for their protection, but photos and vide... View on www.huffingtonpost... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] It's OK...no one will miss NYC anyway...
yea, it shows the guy has a life! a life, sal. pictures of his life. know what I'm saying? when you've got a life, you got something to share. did I hear you say something last week, about your latest "squat"? maybe I got that wrong, or maybe it's normal over there, and just sounds a little strange to us on this side of the pond. dunno. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > Sometimes it's just amazing how people will cover for Barry and enable his sick jokes - no one will miss NYC? It looks like we've got a few informants whose sense of humor is strange to say the least. Go figure. I'll tell what's really amazing, I was looking at the FFL photo's file and it contains about 60,000 pictures of you and your "exciting" day trips. Can't you afford a facebook page? Go figure. On Friday, October 24, 2014 10:53 AM, salyavin808 mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mailto:sharelong60@... wrote : Wow, turq, really?! It sounds like you're saying that it would be ok with you if all the people in NYC die from ebola. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I'm sure that's what he meant. Destroy humanity, typical Turq... On Friday, October 24, 2014 7:58 AM, "TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: Cops Dump Gloves, Masks From Ebola Scene Into Corner Garbage Can http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/24/police-ebola-garbage-can_n_6039880.html Cops Dump Gloves, Masks From Ebola Scene Into Corner... Police working the scene around the Manhattan apartment of the doctor diagnosed with Ebola were wearing gloves and masks for their protection, but photos and vide... View on www.huffingtonpost... Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russell Brand
I don't know. Judging from where he's from, it could be called, MJ's Daily Mash! (although he says he never touches the stuff) ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : You could have a whole YouTube channel and call it "MJ's Daily Bash". On 10/24/2014 11:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'll get around to it one day. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Russell Brand When are you going to start making videos? We want to see what you're on. :-D On 10/24/2014 05:57 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Watching these clips of Brand he sure looks like he's on something to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKQXmvdr8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKQXmvdr8o Russell Brand - Awakened Man View on www.youtube.com Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness
Just an ugly comment. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : "Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous "yet" when there is absolutely no connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence of any kind." And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it "art".
Re: [FairfieldLife] Russell Brand
Good, Richard. I am not a sports fanatic, but I could do a sports segment. find some good angle on it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : On 10/24/2014 3:07 PM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I might would do it if Sal and Barry would do guests spots - Sal could take the astrology crowd on. > Maybe I could do a guest spot and take the karma and reincarnation crowd on. > From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Russell Brand You could have a whole YouTube channel and call it "MJ's Daily Bash". On 10/24/2014 11:29 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: I'll get around to it one day. From: "Bhairitu noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 12:02 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Russell Brand Whenare you going to start making videos? We want to see what you're on. :-D On 10/24/2014 05:57 AM, Michael Jackson mjackson74@... mailto:mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: Watching these clips of Brand he sure looks like he's on something to me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKQXmvdr8o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bKQXmvdr8o RussellBrand - Awakened Man View on www.youtube.com Previewby Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: How TM Helped Me Find What I Was Looking For
pretty lame, but maybe that's the best you can do. maybe some transcending could help your creativity. whaddya think? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote : I am waiting for Bevan to tell his story - "How TM helped me find my ass with both hands." From: "Dick Mays dickmays@... [FairfieldLife]" To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 5:49 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Fwd: How TM Helped Me Find What I Was Looking For Forwarded from TM Media Alert mailto:tmmediaalert@...> OCTOBER 24, 2014 MEDIA ALERT LATEST NEWS • VIDEOS • ARTICLES How Transcendental Meditation Helped Me Find What I Was Looking For Brian B. Baker, Delusions of Ink Blog/ October 21, 2014 Blogger Brian B. Baker describes his struggles with family conflict, financial loss, and suicidal depression until he learned the TM® technique. “I still suffer from migraines, though they occur once a month, not the three or four a week I used to deal with. I’ve discovered how wonderful my wife is all over again, how much I love her, and how absolutely magical our love is.” ...more READ HERE: http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://delusionsofink.com/2014/10/21/how-transcendental-meditation-helped-me-find-what-i-was-looking-for/ http://delusionsofink.com/2014/10/21/how-transcendental-meditation-helped-me-find-what-i-was-looking-for/ http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://delusionsofink.com/2014/10/21/how-transcendental-meditation-helped-me-find-what-i-was-looking-for/"; style="font-size:15px;letter-spacing:2px;color:rgb(15, 116, 178);text-decoration:none; Share this: http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=https://plus.google.com/share?url=http://delusionsofink.com/2014/10/21/how-transcendental-meditation-helped-me-find-what-i-was-looking-for/ http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://delusionsofink.com/2014/10/21/how-transcendental-meditation-helped-me-find-what-i-was-looking-for/ http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://twitter.com/share?url=http://ow.ly/Df6lS&text=How%20%40TMmeditation%20helped%20%40Brian_B_Baker%20overcome%20depression%20and%20find%20what%20he%20was%20looking%20for. David Lynch Talks Transcendental Meditation & Filmmaking The Talks / October 15, 2014 David Lynch explains how he came to learn the TM technique, and how it influences his work in films. “You can catch ideas at a deeper level when you start meditating. Intuition grows, and intuition is the number one tool for an artist—feeling and thinking combined. When you are working on a painting, it’s like you know, and you enjoy the doing so much. It’s the same way with films. The enjoyment of working increases, the enjoyment of everything increases.” ...more READ HERE http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://the-talks.com/interviews/david-lynch/:http://the-talks.com/interviews/david-lynch/ http://the-talks.com/interviews/david-lynch/ Share this: http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=https://plus.google.com/share?url=http://the-talks.com/interviews/david-lynch/ http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://www.facebook.com/share.php?u=http://the-talks.com/interviews/david-lynch/ http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://twitter.com/share?url=http://ow.ly/Df6LQ&text=%40David_Lynch%20talks%20%40TMmeditation%20and%20filmmaking%20 http://campaigns.tm.org/app/crm/marketing/campaignlistener.nl?__lstr=__cl&c=819023&__h=4d7728c4131e60389868&__r=13403525&_od=aHR0cHM6Ly9mb3Jtcy5uZXRzdWl0ZS5jb20*&url=http://tm.org/media-alerts ©2014 Maharishi Foundation USA, a non-profit educational organization. All rights reserved. Transcendental Meditation® and TM® are protected trademarks and are used in the U.S. under license or with permission.
