[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers
You don't seem t be a fellow who parctices what he preaches. = All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. And certainly don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. Amen. DR PS == And yet you deconstruct my intellectual understandtings, motives and experiences. You may best be suited to taking your own advice and doing such to your own eperiences, not others. Aside from your imputing motives, rather crudely I might add, you have suggeted a theory as to why so many people report quite different things in their self-proclaimed state of enlightenment. I suggest another theory, perhaps closer to Ochams Razor: the various self-proclaimed liberated are experiencing different things and thus describing it diferently. And/or in some caes, simply parroting what they have read or heard others say. While I acknowledged that differences are expected when the Indescribable is described, parallel to your point that the difference is more the result of different minds/culture expressing that which is outside of expression, I went on to say that it is simply odd when some express things that are directly contradictory there is no ego, there is an ego. Such a contradiction is far beyond cultural differences as I am sure we can agree. Thus I favor my hypothesis over yours. But it raises an interesting point. If you hold that directly contradictory statements about enlightenment are valid, then it seems anything could be said about it. Thus what is the value of discussion orexposition? Its all valid: Enlightenment is a red popsicle no enlightenement is an orange and purple giraffe. Enlightenment is dreaming of sugar plums and dancing rag dolls full of glee Liberation is arguing about what liberation is Liberation is Liberace. The Gita and Tropic of Cancer are allequally valid expositions of IT. Is that your view, that all statements, contradictory or not, are all vaild statements about enlightenment? If not, why do yuo argue that statements such as there is an ego and there is not ego are valid and just cultural differences? Again, I am quite bafled by your logic and understandings. You ask, Also, why the hostility? Is that a reference to world affairs. I missed the segue. If by some small chance yo are actually refering to my post, I am baffled (again) by your statements. Please point to any hostility. I have reread my post and find none. Its more a late night reflective meandering, but hostility? Or is that the reaction you got upon reading something that disturbed you? You refer to my experiences. I reference them obliquley. anyone who s experiencing Effulgence, a seemingly endless flow of liveliness, unshakable bliss (not all bliss is dumb), constant wakefulness, actions happening, knowledge happening, loss of possessionship (of ideas, POVs, relations and things), compassion that seems to be rooted at the core of everything, a limitless sense of wonder -- and irony, a not so worried view of pending disasters, a not so impressed view of pending sucesses, then wonderful. These are my experiences. You are right, they don't meet my conceptual definitions of enlightenment for I have none. In my post I was simply suggestng that claiming labels is just as superficial and maningless as it sounds -- something plastic and cheap that a dynamo laberler could make. Talking about various concrete experiences makes a lot more sense to me. Not to you too? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You seem to approach Realization as some sort of intellectual exercise. You seek conceptual consistancy and coherence like it was some sort of waking state intellectual product. You're not going to find that. While there is comminality to realization, there is also difference. The difference is more the result of different minds/culture expressing that which is outside of expression. Also, why the hostility? It seems that people who talk about enlightenment experiences that don't meet your conceptual definition get you angry in some way. Is that right? --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The self-proclamation part has always struck me as odd. Linked to the absolutist interpretations of what IT IS. As if there is some insecurity. THIS has to be IT. And odd that there are strong mandates of how IT can be spoken of. And how IT cannot. And what one can understand and what one cannot. And if anyone is experiencing Effulgence, a seemingly endless flow of liveliness, unshakable bliss (not all bliss is dumb), constant wakefulness, actions happening, knowledge happening, loss of possessionship (of ideas, POVs, relations and things), compassion that seems to be rooted at the core of everything, a limitless sense of wonder
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And two, it is a healthy thing to do in speaking about it [enlightenment] as if it is just another experience. Because it is...just...another...experience. And yet so many disagree that it is an experience (if that implies an experiencer) and so many disagree that it is not special. I am trying hard to stay away from the 'specialness' of it, because I think that causes a lot of confusion in a seeker's mind about what it is, and the (im)possiblity of attainment. It certainly did for me. So many distinct views of enlightenemnt, it makes on pause for a moment to wonder if maybe some are speaking of different things. Yes, the enlightened speak about enlightenment. The almost enlightened imagine enlightenment, colored by their almost enlightenment. Its such a joy that in this age of enlightenment everyone seems free and joyous to define enlightenment any way they think is neat and then claim it. Sort of like drawing circles, a target, around an arrow you already shot. On the broadside of the barn. While the fat lady sings. Its such a joy. Does sarcasm really assist this discussion? Cake anyone? Not all humor is sarcasm. I didn't intend it as sarcasm, sorry if you interpreted it that way and disturbed you. It rolled off my pen more as silliness. A bit of lightness to end the evening with. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your mind is never going to get him [MMY]. Never, ever. Amen. With all due respect and pardons, but that seems quite an odd thing to say. Especially from (no)one proclaiming no self. Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or out of meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label or name. What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a hallowed out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, habits, experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, deaths, births, brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, children, wars, peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, dharma, joy, sadness, dispair and elation. What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? Nothing. Other than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all vessels, you and me, are. So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of billions of personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular personality has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. Strangelove's arm trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that tapestry, with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day ticking of LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows through it all. What is hard to understand here? Good Morning. So, you've narrowed your understanding down to the roughly six and half billion people currently on the planet, all of whom share in common what you have written about your mind's understanding of Maharishi. Are you able to be more specific? How odd that you feel 6 billion people are hallowed out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of thousands of lives .. (as in roasted samskaras) while living the fullness of effulgence (not experiences while the samskaras are lively). I guess the currency of liberation is so low today, anything and everything passses as it. OK- you hadn't made the part about the samskaras being roasted and not lively clear in your previous posting. Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought Its a HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ... made the empty shell idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an experiential difference. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Cultism and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis The young lady in question said it was her experience that her mind was never going to figure it out. Not Now. Not ever. Sorry, I misread that very last part of the letter. I thought you were commenting that her mind was never going to figure it out. Not Now. Not ever. Sorry. That one small misreading however does not change the main point of the post. I quoted the following, and suggested support for its validity. = All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. And certainly don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. Amen. DR PS == Your post appeared to contradict this, that you were not just speaking of your own eperience but making unversal claims as to all others' experiences. If I misudnderstood this too, aplologies. The writer looking out through these eyes is that Brahman. What has been written is the experience of life lived. It may not be your experience if you are real attached to that I you keep inserting in someones elses letter. However, if I did misunderstand your position, and now it is clarified that you only speak for your own experiences, I fail to see your reason for disturbance about my stating perhaps what Tom meant to say was ... and as an interesing exercise in tone, creating an alternative text, recasting your post interms of your experience and not universal claims about all others' experiences. I would think you would say, upon reading the alternative way of treating the matter yes, that is all I meant, that I am describing my own experiences, not making unversal claims about others'. If on the otherhand, you beleive Dr. Stuphens points are wrong and you are making universal claims about all others' experiences, then the follow-up post to this on Cultism and Free Seekers has more importance. It would confirm my worst, though barely ever dwelt on fears about you Tom, that if holding such a position, you would be a cultist carving out your own creed with an absolutist sense of universal Truth for all, based solely on your own personal experience (as grand as that may be.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought Its a HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ... made the empty shell idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an experiential difference. What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? Apparently nothing you can related to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought Its a HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ... made the empty shell idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an experiential difference. What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? Apparently nothing you can relate to. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
Its sort of sad people are so vested in explaining other people's motives and experiences. I suggest you take the words of a wise man to heart. = All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. And certainly don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. Amen. DR PS == --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought Its a HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ... made the empty shell idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an experiential difference. What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? If I may, anon or Akasha's, and Vaj's insistence on keeping discussions of enlightenment both intellectually consistent, available to Socratic method, and in Vaj's case, adhering to some as yet unnamed tradition, are expressed in the emotion of 'the seeker's burn'. It is not hostility per se in Akasha's case directed at anyone in particular. He is just pissed off and frustrated in general that his enlightenment eludes him, and chooses to take it out on anyone who brings up the topic. I can relate, and I'm sure you can too, Peter. Before such a breakthrough is a lot of frustration for something so tantalizingly close and yet apparently unreachable. Akasha chooses to take refuge in his intellect, to explain away much of what you and I and Tom (and Rory, when he was posting) say as inconsistent with his head trip of 'enlightenment'. As for Vaj, he has studied much about enlightenment, and again is full of 'Thou shalt' and 'Thou shalt not' stuff from various teachers. He doesn't understand that enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. Btw, did you catch Vaj's reference about offlist discussions with Akasha on demonic possession? Well, I guess 'the devil is in the details', as they say... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought Its a HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ... made the empty shell idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an experiential difference. What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? Apparently nothing you can relate to. Perhaps its not in your experience, but with time and grace, there is a sense that the body, mind, intellect and all become HOLLOW and empty. They appear to become more TRANSPARENT, as if CRYSTALINE. Their functioning seems, as a poetic metaphor, like a RESIDUE -- though its a complex pattern like a TAPESTRY. This appears to happen as those knots within our soul (another poetic phrase) loosen and unravel. Like a know in a rope, when it is untied, it does not exist, But what is left is some small creasing of the rope. As knots unravel, there is that growing sense of being HOLLOW AND EMPTY. But the crease from the past knots causee enough dust to form on the otherwise transparent Crystaline form or body, mind intellect and all that remains. The dust creates some defraction of both Effulgence and the light of everyday life events. This light defraction (again a poetic metaphor) gives the appearance of the former mundane earthy body, mind and intellect, though its is just a mirage. Those knots, in classical literature, are called samskaras. I hope this helps. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: COB and F-land?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conan O'Brien must have lived in (Sweden-)Finland in some previous lifetime. Otherwise his obsession with Finland is unconceivable! (Finland was a part of Sweden for several hundred years up to 1809.) Well, he does look like your madame prime minister -- when he holds up like photos Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps I am too prone to the poetic. I thought Its a HOLLOWED OUT, CRYSTALINE matrix, a unique TRANSPARENT tapestry woven from the RESIDUE of thousands of lives, ... made the empty shell idea of roasted smaskaras clear. Perhaps its an experiential difference. What the f**k are you talking about, Grasshopper? Apparently nothing you can relate to. Perhaps its not in your experience, but with time and grace, there is a sense that the body, mind, intellect and all become HOLLOW and empty. They appear to become more TRANSPARENT, as if CRYSTALINE. Their functioning seems, as a poetic metaphor, like a RESIDUE -- though its a complex pattern like a TAPESTRY. This appears to happen as those knots within our soul (another poetic phrase) loosen and unravel. Like a know in a rope, when it is untied, it does not exist, But what is left is some small creasing of the rope. As knots unravel, there is that growing sense of being HOLLOW AND EMPTY. But the crease from the past knots causee enough dust to form on the otherwise transparent Crystaline form or body, mind intellect and all that remains. The dust creates some defraction of both Effulgence and the light of everyday life events. This light defraction (again a poetic metaphor) gives the appearance of the former mundane earthy body, mind and intellect, though its is just a mirage. Those knots, in classical literature, are called samskaras. I hope this helps. - With the poetic allusions clarified, perhaps the original post makes more sense to those prone to literal readings. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/81889 Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever. DR. PS Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or out of meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label or name. What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a hallowed out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, habits, experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, deaths, births, brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, children, wars, peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, dharma, joy, sadness, dispair and elation. What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? Nothing. Other than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all vessels, you and me, are. So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of billions of personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular personality has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. Strangelove's arm trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that tapestry, with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day ticking of LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows through it all. What is hard to understand here? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. And your detailed study of enlightenment traditions include which cultures? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Anonymousff wrote: If on the otherhand, you beleive Dr. Stuphens points are wrong and you are making universal claims about all others' experiences, then the follow-up post to this on Cultism and Free Seekers has more importance. It would confirm my worst, though barely ever dwelt on fears about you Tom, that if holding such a position, you would be a cultist carving out your own creed with an absolutist sense of universal Truth for all, based solely on your own personal experience (as grand as that may be.) Careful or you will succeed only in tying yourself into a pretzel. I WISH. I wish I could get into some of the pretzal asana poses I used to, in my teens and twenties. Oh well, the Wheel of Time moves on. But thanks for the good wishes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
Its also entirely possible that some people simply are not pissed off. Or even frustrated. But for Jim perhaps, its a strange unbelievable phenomenon, not having experienced it apparently. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip He is just pissed off and frustrated in general that his enlightenment eludes him, and chooses to take it out on anyone who brings up the topic. I can relate, and I'm sure you can too, Peter. Before such a breakthrough is a lot of frustration for something so tantalizingly close and yet apparently unreachable. You know, Jim, it's entirely possible to be pissed off and frustrated with what presumably awakened people say about enlightenment *without* also being frustrated and pissed off that one has not yet achieved it oneself. Until one is enlightened, what the presumably awakened say about it is confusing, by the very nature of the beast. But frustration on the part of the ignorant with that confusion may not be the same as frustration that they are not yet enlightened. snip Btw, did you catch Vaj's reference about offlist discussions with Akasha on demonic possession? Well, I guess 'the devil is in the details', as they say... Vaj is fond of mentioning his offlist discussions in his public posts. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] He is just pissed off and frustrated in general that his enlightenment eludes him, and chooses to take it out on anyone who brings up the topic. I can relate, and I'm sure you can too, Peter. Before such a breakthrough is a lot of frustration for something so tantalizingly close and yet apparently unreachable. The imputing of others motives, the deconstruction of others' experiences is getting fascinating on this board. Like a soap opera of vindictiveness. Even though Dr. Stuphen, apparently the most educated on this board in these matters, says that is impossible to do correctly. Yet, ignoring such wise counsel, some still seem obsessed with doing so. A more subtle thing appears to present itself. The enlightenment story. Some appear to claim it as a means to differentiate themselves from others. So many tribes, races, religions, creeds, nations and movements have done this in the past and present. I am in (arbitrry) Circle A and you are not. You are not one of us. We are special. Who knows if this is what is going on in Jim's mind, but there appears to be a pattern of such in any number of posters. Just an observation. If this pattern does exist, it seems strange to me. While I personaly think enlightement is a bogus and misused label, it appears that adherents (worshipers to such label idols?) proclaim oneness amongst us all. Yet an apparent (observable) tendency to differentiate us from them. All facilitated by the enlightenment story. And other tools. While I am not sayng walking the talk is a sign of so called enlightenment (btw, please at least first define your enlightenment tradition if you are going to use the term), not walking ones talk would seem a weak sign of so called enlightenment. But then again, Enlightenment is a Big Red Popsicle!, so anything goes. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error
I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I should have checked the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is a great quote. (cant deconstruct others experiences I found my spelling error in doing a google search of you to see whcih university you teach at. Even Google appears to know its Sutphen, not Stuphen. You have alluded to teaching classes. I didn't see you as professor or adjunct faculty at any florida university or colege. Is this an oversight on the colleges part? Nor any listing in professional psychogist associations. Or even a listing of a practice. I checked vet schools, but no listing there either, so Mr Paul is apparently mistaken in that assumption. One post claimed you were a practicioner of experimental psychology not counseling or clinical psychology? Is this correct? Certainly its not mandatory that you post your professional qualifications. But you cite them as a basis of your expertise at times. As did I just recently (most knowledgable on this board in these matters.) So any professional cites or descriptions would be of interest, if you don't mind sharing. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin snip his enlightenment eludes him A sign of great writing is you can read it over several times and find great new gems. Jim, I admire your enlightenment tradition, what ever it is, for such unique view of enlightenment, distinct from any other enlightenemnt tradition I have encountered. In fours short words, its almost aphorismic, to both assign posseionship of enlightenment to an individual his enlightenment and the implication that it is an individual who is enlightened, enlightenment eludes him is in such stark contrast to other traditions, I have to stand up and cheer that you are revealing some new yet uncovered, distinct description of the multi-cultural vast diversity in the use of the term enlightenemnt. It certainly supports the thesis that many different cultures and traditions experience many different things that they paradoxically all call the same thing enlightenement. While being steeped in your enlightenment tradtion, you may, or may not, be aware of how other traditions use the same term -- but with clearly a vastly different experience attached. For example many eastern traditions hold that possessionship of an enlightened status makes no sense whatso ever. The phrase would never enter their lexicon because (they claim) that is not the experience. In their world, there is no possessor, no experiencer, just the commonality of all existence that pervades ones awareness. And they go on to hold, that an individual never becomes enlightened. Thus enlightenment eluding an individual again would be non-sensical to these classical eastern traditions. It is the commonality of all existence that awakens unto itself. It has nothng to do with the individual. Some such traditions even hold that any sense of individuality is an illusion. So keep up the good work in reporting these utterly unique descriptions of the term enlightenemnt, from your enlightenment tradition, and the correspondng implied experiences that are so utterly different and unique compared to classical enlightenment traditions. By the way, what is your enlightenment tradition? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error
Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I hope that is a comfortable moniker for you. But, I do pray to God that your middle inital is not M. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I should have checked the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is a great quote. (cant deconstruct others experiences A common mistake. You should see how my students spell my name. The best was, Tufin!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: question about Maharishi's brothers, for Paul Mason or others
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FFL is wasted by all the eternal bullshit between people exemplified by the thread following my original posted question. Yes, the exchange this morning appeared even more bizzare than usual. It reminded me of the scene in Four Weddings and a Funeral where Hugh Grant is seated at the wedding dinner next to a dogey old man clearly not quite all there. The old man makes some diparaging remark about Hugh, seen by the old man as the old mans brother. Hugh, a bit perplexed and flushed says, but pardon me sir, I am not your brother. the old man stares ice at him and in highly distilled, quiet rage, grits out, Are you telling me I don't know my own brother? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: question about Maharishi's brothers, for Paul Mason or others
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maharishi's Brother is said to be 97, alive and kicking. He was recently seen this past Oct 12th on victory day on the broadcast from the globalcountry of World peace. He told a friend privately that there is a tradition in India not to talk about a saints life- just aspire to be like him yourself. MMY said the same thing of SBS. That a saints life is not in the details. That taking a new name and all signifies the death of the prior life. And even the details as a swami or monk, or teacher are insignificant. Its the breath of Pervading Silence (or some such allusion) is all that matters. Same or similar point made in aother post about the false claim that one can never understand Maharishi. Its the Pervading Silence in his life that matters. The details, which are simply spinoffs of old karmas and the residue of samskaric imprints are unimportant. Even if they seem odd. That some view that some saints have odd karma and samksaric residue as odd, is to me quite odd. The universe and the span of time are large. Strange things can happen in this thing we call lives. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christ All Mighty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis The writer looking out through these eyes is that Brahman. Speak for yourself Tom, not for me, your pal Braaahmaan. I grant you authority to speak of your own experiences. And your own interpretation of your own experiences. No other licenses granted. Your claiming to speak for Braaahmaan is like Jerry Farwell claiming to speak for Christ and his pervading Consciousness. In Wholeness, B. Is Braahmaan Brahman's goat? Why, are you trying to get Brahman's goat? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Christ All Mighty
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, braaahmaan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis The writer looking out through these eyes is that Brahman. Speak for yourself Tom, not for me, your pal Braaahmaan. I grant you authority to speak of your own experiences. And your own interpretation of your own experiences. No other licenses granted. Your claiming to speak for Braaahmaan is like Jerry Farwell claiming to speak for Christ and his pervading Consciousness. In Wholeness, B. Is Braahmaan Brahman's goat? Perhaps Card can intervene with his insights. It appears to me that Braaahmaan phonetically is a fuller, deeper and richer expression of Wholeness than Brahman. Perhaps Tom is only speaking for Brahman level 1, and not Braaahmaan level 9. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. I've been given to understand that enlightenment changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists disagree with Hindus on key points, and when their adherents attain end states they call awakening or enlightenment, the attainees describe their experiences differently from one another but consistent with their traditions. Even amongs Hindus. Non-dual and dualist advaita traditions. Vaishnavas -- tending to always have some distinction between themselves and Godhead -- even in the attainment of the highest lokas, vs. non-dualist shaivites. And Buddists are hardly one school. Theravada, Mahayana, Tibetian. And great differences in schools of understanding and views even within these great rivers of buddhism. And Islam. Shunni, Shi-ite, Sufi? And the jains. And the farsi zoriasterists of bombay. And so many christian sects and understandings of perfection. How many extinct traditions over the last 10,000 or more years. Far more than exist today, I would venture. To say that all enlightenement tradions are the same must be from someone with their head in the sand. (or other places the sun don't shine.) That is my experience as well. It's as if the myth of enlightenment that members of a tradition grew up with becomes by default the language they use to express the inexpressible. Native Americans have no such states in their traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not something that all traditions recognize. I have spent time with Yaqui shamans and read a bit of Native American traditions, and I have to agree with you. The quest for power, yes. The quest for altered states of consciousness, yes. The quest for an impeccable life, yes. But it's tough to find an analogue for enlightenment as we know it from Eastern traditions. View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept determines percept. I have to agree. That which one expects seems to color awakening into the unexpected. The experience it what it is, but when it comes to describing or interpreting it, one's previously-established view (carried over from and structured in ignorance) seems to become the default. I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to any tradition. I don't feel any cognitive dissonance, but that may be because I've had occasional flashes of enlightened states, *and* I've had decades of indoctrination into trying to anticipate and explain such experiences. The anticipation was fruitless; I was waiting for what was already present. And all of the explanations fell flat, because they didn't do justice to the experience. Close, but no cigar. Still, when you're discussing cigars, you need a language to express the differences between a true Havana and a cheap Baltimore Stogie. Even though *no one* you speak to will ever under- stand the difference until they've fired up both. :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- TurquoiseB wrote: Gillam wrote: View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept determines percept. I have to agree. That which one expects seems to color awakening into the unexpected. The experience it what it is, but when it comes to describing or interpreting it, one's previously-established view (carried over from and structured in ignorance) seems to become the default. That said, I don't much hear Jim and Tom and Peter and such lot talking in Maharishi's idioms. For example, this whole notion of losing a personal self was totally absent from any understanding I ever had of the Science of Creative Intelligence. Yes, their languange and conceptual frameworks appear to be directly out the books they read and satsangs they attended (off the program ??), such as Ramana, Papaji, etc .. and a good dash of new-agism. Of course Rory, a former book store owner, read far more bboks so look for more varied concepts and language. And charter Theopsophy book club member. So it's the same old story - on the one hand, on the other hand. Jaimini cricket. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy and TorquiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just doing what he recommended, embracing my assholiness. I know this an Adult group, but that image seems a bit raw. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: COB and F-land?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gullible fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By now, TurquoiseB, you must have switched to making cracks about Belgians. The lowdown on Conan and Finland: http://www.crikey.com.au/articles/2005/10/18-1422-3489.html --- TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Conan O'Brien must have lived in (Sweden-)Finland in some previous lifetime. Otherwise his obsession with Finland is unconceivable! (Finland was a part of Sweden for several hundred years up to 1809.) And then what? The Swedes came to their senses and gave the land away to whoever would take it? :-) Just joking, really. I once had a wife of Swedish descent, and she filled me in on many of the in-jokes the Swedes have about their Scandinavian neighbors, and vice-versa. The only one I can remember is, Twenty Swedes ran through the weeds, chased by one Norwegian. :-) Some Norwegian friends, 10th Mountain Divison types, after drinking too much Aquavit, would make fun of Fins for being gloomy and drinking way too much vodka. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Apologies to Dr. Sutphen - spelling error
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also like to be garlanded with bija mantras: Om Shrim Klim,Hrim,Gum Dr. PLS.. Do you mandate that of your patients, or simply make it optional? (Do you charge the ones that don't garland your name an extra $20 / hr?) Your parents missed naming you Dr. PMS by one letter. Though I guess the upside would be you would have have a swelling clientele. But I am glad it didn't happen. Otherwise, Barry or others would probably be labeling you the bitch doctor, with glee. Though of course I would find such remarks repugnant. --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. I have also referred to you as Dr. PS. I hope that is a comfortable moniker for you. But, I do pray to God that your middle inital is not M. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been quoting you as Dr. Stuphen. Sorry, I should have checked the spelling before citing you -- in what I think is a great quote. (cant deconstruct others experiences A common mistake. You should see how my students spell my name. The best was, Tufin!!! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. I've been given to understand that enlightenment changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists disagree with Hindus on key points, and when their adherents attain end states they call awakening or enlightenment, the attainees describe their experiences differently from one another but consistent with their traditions. Native Americans have no such states in their traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not something that all traditions recognize. View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept determines percept. I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to any tradition. Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish to read no further... Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot of them, to serve us all in such diversity. What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists, Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just spouting off platitudes that sound good. Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual traditions become accessible, And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened? so that we gain a much stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can enjoy them as we wish. Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Judy and TorquiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom T: OK folks I thought you were both going on the wagon. This addictive relationship is pretty toxic for us as well as you. Where is the need to continue based? What is the pay off you both get out of throwing brick bats? This too is your wholeness. Embrace the others position and practice what you say you are here for-spirituality. Love you both Tom T And their banter irritates you, why? snip Because there was a respite, a very pleasant respite, and now we're back in the same pattern, the never ending, never ending pattern. lurk Feel the sensation that arises in the body when you get that irritation. Breath through it. Feel the wholeness Luke. I find their banter delightfully refreshing. Sort of like abbott and costello. Or Laurel and Hardy. Martin and Dean. Perhaps Rocky and Bullwinkle. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin wrote: enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. I've been given to understand that enlightenment changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists disagree with Hindus on key points, and when their adherents attain end states they call awakening or enlightenment, the attainees describe their experiences differently from one another but consistent with their traditions. Native Americans have no such states in their traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not something that all traditions recognize. View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept determines percept. I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to any tradition. Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish to read no further... Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot of them, to serve us all in such diversity. What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. When I was a TM teacher, and for a few years after that, I said the same thing. Then I asked, Do I really know what I am talking about here, or am I just parroting unsubstantiated dogma I have heard? I quickly realized it was the latter. With some reading and reaserch, talking to others, I found there are quite large differences in views of different traditions and religions -- and representative saint's reports of states theyhave obtained. But I am not a scholar. Most scholars I have read or talked to, who devote their lives to the topic, find differences not sameness. Parroting dogma is a mental handicap. It can be overcome. Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists, Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just spouting off platitudes that sound good. Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual traditions become accessible, And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened? so that we gain a much stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can enjoy them as we wish. Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song. Yup, reading right off some big colorful chart. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual traditions become accessible, snip so that we gain a much stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can enjoy them as we wish. I'm feeling better already. lurk Yes, dogmatic fantasies are so uplifting, and SUCH a joy!. Ask Jim to access Rinzai Obaku sects and tell you of his access of their their practices and his direct experience of what they decribe as higher states and how its joyously all the same as his own personal experience. Its so blissful. Even the delusions are Brahman. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: enlightenment does not adhere to ANY tradition. It is what it is. Period. I've been given to understand that enlightenment changes quite a bit from one spiritual tradition to another. I'm told, for instance, that Buddhists disagree with Hindus on key points, and when their adherents attain end states they call awakening or enlightenment, the attainees describe their experiences differently from one another but consistent with their traditions. Native Americans have no such states in their traditions, suggesting enlightenment is not something that all traditions recognize. View determines fruit, as Vaj quoted a master as saying. Or as Dana Sawyer says, precept determines percept. I'm not sure if I'm disagreeeing with you here, Jim. I don't know enough about either side of the discussion. I'm simply expressing some cognitive dissonance with the statement that enlightenment does not adhere to any tradition. Uh-oh, I see another Paradox! Just ample warning for those that wish to read no further... Spiritual traditions are all useful, and thank God there are a lot of them, to serve us all in such diversity. What I meant by my remark was that once enlightenment is reached, the spiritual tradition we have followed loses its uniqueness, and in some ways much of its value; an enlightened Buddhist shares the same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. Says who? Your intuition? Precisely which enlightened Buddhists, Hindus and Sufis did you talk to regarding this. Or are you just spouting off platitudes that sound good. I looked up platitude: sorry you had to look it up. A comment on American education. a banal, trite, or stale remark. Anyone that knows me personally knows that I am just about anti-platitude. I only know you from your writing and the above is surely not clear from that vantage. What is the value of spouting off platitudes? as they are from memory, exactly as you describe; to make one feel good. But the difference is they are mood-making. I already expressed myself regarding mood-making. Again, not reflected in the logic and content of your actual writing. You also asked, 'says who'? Good question. Do you have an answer? Well you said it an enlightened Buddhist shares the same view as an enlightened Hindu or Sufi or whatever. Apparrently with no substantiation. Which is my point. You are spouting dogma you heard. Wake up and do some research and process your own thoughts. Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual traditions become accessible, And you are quite familiar with all the ways of all the spiritual traditions? Again, it sounds like feel-good platitudes, nothing actually based on studying such traditions and talking to their proponents. Tell us about the aghori and nath practices you have accessed since becoming self-proclaimed enlightened? so that we gain a much stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can enjoy them as we wish. Sounds like a MUM first year student doing sing-song. Oh well. Perhaps you can say it better? I try mightily to write well, and sometimes I fail. First, I would, and have, reounced dogma echoing in my mind. That is a vow you appear to not have yet taken. And when it appears in my mind I ask do I really know if this is true. Usually, I can't say that I do. So I do some research. On the matter of equal views of enlightenment by Hindus, Christians, Moslems, Sufis, Buddhists, Shaman, first I have come to recognize a huge diversity of opinion and experience even within each of these traditions. And greater diversity among these grand traditions. To sing-song that all religious and spiritual traditions essentially have a shankarian non-dualistic advaitist view is silly and shallow. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oddly enough, once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual traditions become accessible, snip so that we gain a much stronger intuitive appreciation of all of the traditions, and can enjoy them as we wish. I'm feeling better already. lurk Yes, dogmatic fantasies are so uplifting, and SUCH a joy!. I disagree. Ask Jim to access Rinzai Obaku sects and tell you of his access of their their practices and his direct experience of what they decribe as higher states and how its joyously all the same as his own personal experience. If you explain carefully what they are, I'll give you my opinion. hahaha. you are the one claiming enlightenment. And the one claiming once enlightenment blossoms, all of the ways of all of the spiritual traditions become accessible So if they are accessable to you why are you asking me. You tell us, in your accessibility mode how their view and experience of higher states is the same as your non-dual advaitist TMO simplified view and experience of enlightenment. Its so blissful. Really? a favorite mocking phrase of an early TMer, mid 1960's, a social aquaintance of mine who later became US ambassador to a number of small but semi important countries, who was aghast even back then at bliss ninnies running amock in the TMO. Even the delusions are Brahman. Who's delusions? hahah, well, not Brahman's. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Anonymousff wrote: To sing-song that all religious and spiritual traditions essentially have a shankarian non-dualistic advaitist view is silly and shallow. I said that the end result of all of these religious and spiritual traditions is the same. Else they are not worth the paper their scriptures are written on. The same place as your enlightenement tradition, which you have proclaimned as TMO plus some introspection, the former being a simplified shankarian non-dualistic advaitist view. You don't even know the names from which stem your own dogma, yet you expect us to believe your claims that all religions and spiritual traditions end in the same place! How astonishing! Again, the original question: on what basis do you make such claims? Widhful feel-good fantasy and dogma appears to be your main sources, not scholarship, not practice of other traditions, not talking to the accomplished in many other traditions. They come from the same source. They return us to the same source. Nice dogma but on what basis can you make such statements? None of substance it appears or else you would have stated it already instead of repeatedly spouting dogma echoing in the hollow of your mind. That is what I said. And I wouldn't know a 'shankarian non-dualistic advaitist view' if it walked up and bit me. Or knowledge of any other tradition apparently. Yet you KNOW they end in the same place. Hasn't the discordance begun to settle in yet? Or is it sll just a blissful fantasy dream land still for you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You will never be satisfied with my answers. I wish you all the best. Thats because you make wild unsubstantiated claims, and try to back them up with mere dogma. While it has nothing to do with my satisfaction, it has all to do with the validity of your claims. Which by your own responses is not-existant. I wish you the best of luck in reconciling your world of dogma and delusion with Reality which will inevitably rear its lovely head. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
Is it even possible to join the group now? How do you find the group if you aren't already a member? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Good for the goose, good for the gander (was Re: Yagna By Choice Payback)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also noticed you started to do what I did and get caught up in what psychoanalytic thought calls projective identification. The person in question unconsciously projects a unintegrated/disowned aspect of their personality onto others and provokes them into responding/behaving in accord with that unintegrated part. People have a tendency to go off on the person in question thus perpetuating the abuse he experiences and recreating this abuse in a repetition compulsion that unconsciously seeks to resolve the original abuse in current relationships. It would seem that this then is a healing mechanism of the mind -- parallel to healing mechanisms in the body. Unless this is consciously recognized, it just continues on and on and on until that complex of samskaras are disolved. And if it is consciously recognized, and stopped, is the healing stopped. Is the dissolving of that particular complex of samskaras left unresolved? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin writes; snipped Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master-/ disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Tom T responds: This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as delightful confusion. Delightful because it was and confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now Not ever. Tom T Snake-oil salesmen, religions, cults, tyrants and even democratically- elected / appointed political leaders like I can't explain it pretty good why we kneaded to have done it, but like God told me to do it so I done it, I invaded Iraq revert to the same claim -- just trust my explanation even though I can't explain it rationally and you can never understand it: its 'a magic elexir, 'a miracle', 'god's will', 'what our founding fathers said was good for us', 'the unspoken mystery', 'the grand paradox'. How to differentiate I wonder? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Maharishi has evolved into pure paradox, transcending my intellect, and leaving me as the innocent witness to his actions. Like a master- disciple relationship only in the transcendent; ONLY in the transcendent. Pure Paradox. Absolutely. You got it! Nothing of value on the surface at all. It's all sentimentality and ego up there, but deep in the heart is that pulse of Brahman that just PULLS you into it and flattens all the bullshit of the personality. Pure Shiva whirling in absolute stillness destroying all boundaries. And yet I suspect you'd have to admit that this is a subjective feeling. A polite way of saying mood making, perhaps? And/ or the inner consolidation/condensation of ones own projections of how the world (and gurus) should be? I mean if one thinks MMY or whoever is IT, THE ONE, won't the mind almost automatically create a sense of that experience when one sees them? Particularly if it is a rare event / (always a) special occasion? Did the skinboys and inner circle types who were around MMY constantly experience him as blazing brahman. Could the need to experience a teacher as blazing brahman justify the umpteen years poured into what now apear, at least in part as trivial and silly projects of his? Someone once said that the grandeur of the described experience around the teacher is inversely proportional to ones proximity. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Premanand Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, when and where did you meet Brahmananda Saraswati face-to-face? *Paradoxically* I never had the slightest inclination to be in Maharishi's physical presence. and *paradoxically* the only guru who lived up to my expectations when I met him face to face was Brahmananda Saraswati aka Guru Dev (who was the only one I ever met face-to-face...). The embodiment of gentleness, love, friendliness, compassion and an absolute pillar of resolve, tenacity, steadfastness, and no compromise. In his dreams? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his dreams? Believe what you want. I have not stated such a thing to convince anybody. On the other hand, I am not going to pretend it was some fantasy, or that I mention this for ego aggrandizement as many would understand it, or keep quiet about it because there are folks out there that desperately need a rational explanation. You've been meditating long enough, deal with it, however you like. Its funny, no one said anything about belief, or lack thereof, pretending, fantasies, desperately needing a rational explanation, or ego aggrandizement. Yet you jump immediately to defend yourself on those grounds. As in Hamlet, The lady doth protest too much, methinks. I thought the remark about dreams funny -- multi-leveled: sains often come in deams; field of dreams -- create the field and they (saints) will come; I have a dream -- a desire to be in the presence of saints; and yes the slightly disparaging one -- in his imagination -- somewhat declawed by its juxtapostion. All together, a funny (and tasty) sandwich of meanings, in my mind. To paraphrase what Barry Wright said earlier, is daily life any less of an enlightened and enlightening experience? Sounds deep. Perhaps too much for me. (As deep a Barry White's voice?) So what? So Hum? By the way, do you have a match sir? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know, we suddenly jumped from 1000 members to 1032. I wonder if we're being monitored. I certainly hope so. We've had a good two weeks of postings. lurk ** People who were able to lurk before without joining now have to join to read messages because of this group's being put in Yahoo's adult section, that's probably why the jump in numbers. Nope, not true. But one does have to sign in to ANY yahoo user name, whether its a FFL member or not, to get to the homepage. I think the adult thing is a general crack down yahoo has consented to, reachng an agreement after facing serious prosecution from Elliot Spitzer or some prosecutor of his zeal, stemming from a percieved environment for potential sexual abuse of minors in yahoo's chat rooms. Yahoo has eliminated all its user-defined chat rooms -- which while creative in name and content at times, did on face value, look pretty raunchy -- such as High School Gurls Who Love Older Guys etc. For years there was lots of basic sex drugs and rock-in-roll content, and more importantly to some, the appearance of such, in these totally uncensored rooms. And the extra adult screen to get to FFL now talks about options for concerned parents who want to protect their children. I would guess that many groups are now adult -- based on yahoo's scan of key words. They apear to be wanting to err on the side of caution and show good faith in complying with the spirit of the consent decree. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
Rick, Here's an idea: Create a new group called FairfieldLife2. Use the same home page description as on FairfieldLife, except, perhaps, leaving out anything that might categorize it as an adult site. Also, add a line at the top which states something like - To access FairfieldLife, log into any Yahoo account, then go to this url ... with maybe a brief explanation of why needed. This way, people just doing searches will find FairfieldLife2 and from there, find FairfieldLife. You could put a longer explanation in a post sent to the new group and give the post a subject heading inviting and encouraging newcomers to read it. If possible, you could also disallow anyone else posting to the new group, so that it doesn't become an unintentional competing mess. Maybe also don't allow people to join, because all that you want is to point people to the other group. So, like FFL, FFL2 would allow non-members to read the home page and browse the archives. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
More thoughts: If you create a FFL2, you'd probably have to post to it occasionally to make sure that it wasn't cancelled by Yahoo, but I think they would send the owner or moderator(s) warnings before doing so. You may also need to have two or members to stay in business. Another thought is that you might create a group just for the purpose of experimenting with what made Yahoo change the category. This would be a group that doesn't allow new memberships. Examples of tests: a) You could put the full FFL description on the home page and wait a few days to see what happens. Maybe you would get immediate feedback, like when you were not able to save the word bondage in the description. b) Try uploading the Sexy Sadie files. If the switch of category of FFL was automated, these kinds of tests ought to yield some results. If it was caused by someone's complaints, well, that's another matter. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, Here's an idea: Create a new group called FairfieldLife2. Use the same home page description as on FairfieldLife, except, perhaps, leaving out anything that might categorize it as an adult site. Also, add a line at the top which states something like - To access FairfieldLife, log into any Yahoo account, then go to this url ... with maybe a brief explanation of why needed. This way, people just doing searches will find FairfieldLife2 and from there, find FairfieldLife. You could put a longer explanation in a post sent to the new group and give the post a subject heading inviting and encouraging newcomers to read it. If possible, you could also disallow anyone else posting to the new group, so that it doesn't become an unintentional competing mess. Maybe also don't allow people to join, because all that you want is to point people to the other group. So, like FFL, FFL2 would allow non-members to read the home page and browse the archives. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In his dreams? Believe what you want. I have not stated such a thing to convince anybody. On the other hand, I am not going to pretend it was some fantasy, or that I mention this for ego aggrandizement as many would understand it, or keep quiet about it because there are folks out there that desperately need a rational explanation. You've been meditating long enough, deal with it, however you like. Its funny, no one said anything about belief, or lack thereof, pretending, fantasies, desperately needing a rational explanation, or ego aggrandizement. Yet you jump immediately to defend yourself on those grounds. As in Hamlet, The lady doth protest too much, methinks. I thought the remark about dreams funny -- multi-leveled: sains often come in deams; field of dreams -- create the field and they (saints) will come; I have a dream -- a desire to be in the presence of saints; and yes the slightly disparaging one -- in his imagination -- somewhat declawed by its juxtapostion. All together, a funny (and tasty) sandwich of meanings, in my mind. To paraphrase what Barry Wright said earlier, is daily life any less of an enlightened and enlightening experience? Sounds deep. Perhaps too much for me. (As deep a Barry White's voice?) So what? So Hum? By the way, do you have a match sir? Akasha, please go practice your cynicism and rationalizations elsewhere. Besides the next time I see Guru Dev, I'm tattling on youHa Ha What a wonderful rorshoch test this is. The world is as we are. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, Actually all of the questions I wrote: the inner consolidation/condensation of ones own projections of how the world (and gurus) should be; could the need to experience a teacher as blazing brahman justify the umpteen years poured into the trivial etc., are prompted from reviewing, questioning and speculating about my own experiences with saints. not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. Who said anything about any specific other's experience? It was a serious of questions about the general drawn from observation and speculation of my own experiences, the specific You can only talk about what you experience, not another. OK I will try to keep that in mind when such circumstances arise. I assume you will also. And certainly don't expect social consensus with someone like MMY. Your mind is never going to get him. Never, ever. Amen. Aren't you now guilty of what you just preached not to do? It appears valid for you to conclude that your mind is never going to get him. But it seems baseless for you to conclude that another mind, much less all minds, are incapbable of getting him, or of anything for that matter. Isn't all possibilities part of the credo of this group? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What consent degree? Perhaps consent decree was the wrong term. There was an agreement Yahoo made --apparently with Spitzer -- perhaps others, regarding chat rooms, perhaps Groups were included, and to genearlly shape up. It appears there was also advertiser pressure. http://www.chatmag.com/news/101505_yahoo_chat.html http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/oct/oct12a_05.html http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,69188,00.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not now Not ever. Tom T Snake-oil salesmen, religions, cults, tyrants and even democratically- elected / appointed political leaders like I can't explain it pretty good why we kneaded to have done it, but like God told me to do it so I done it, I invaded Iraq revert to the same claim -- just trust my explanation even though I can't explain it rationally and you can never understand it: its 'a magic elexir, 'a miracle', 'god's will', 'what our founding fathers said was good for us', 'the unspoken mystery', 'the grand paradox'. How to differentiate I wonder? Intuition, ...plain...and...simple. A problem with intuition, in general, is that it can and is used by spiritual and political charlatans and others (look at bush, I just got a hunch its the right thing, I feel it strongly in my gut -- as if thats some sort of proof or validation of some lame brained thing that pops into his head. He really needs Byron Katie and have himself ask about each of his thoughts Is it true? Do I really know its True). Spiritual charlatans can justify great things by saying the insight is from their (implied, highly refined, highly evolved) intuition. Any questioning of such brings the easy retort well, if you don't HAVE it, I can't explain it to you or some such spurious and condescending comment. (with a small smirk and chuckle too) Personally using intuition, if that includes forsaking rational analysis, is such a trap for so many. On the other hand, intuition, insight, that is then tested or thought through rationally, can be a great tool. Part of a package. But to use it exclusively, in the above post, to discern wheat from chaf, charlatans from those with insight, appears naive. But each to his own, going with what works. If I were to go by intuition alone, I would take a number of posts on this list as unrepentant mood making. But I try to keep an open mind, the rational side keeps the door open. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a wonderful rorshoch test this is. The world is as we are. *yawn*... Ah, dream time aproaches. May the sugar plums be sweet and the rag dolls dance with glee. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis Tom T responds: This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as delightful confusion. Delightful because it was and confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now Not ever. Tom T Perhaps you can take insight from Dr. Pete, below. You can speak for yourself and your experience, but not really for others. All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. snip Amen. Dr. PS = Perhaps Tom meant to say, This is the value of Brahman for me. Only what I call Brahman can hold those extreme values inside my mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about what I experience as the nature of Brahman, see above and ponder on that for a while and see if you get the same insight that I do. For me, this is an experience of the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. I percieve, and hey it may be my ownlimitations, but on one hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva. When I go try and figure it out, it am profoundly confused -- in a good way. I just for the life of me can't figure it out. Maybe you can, at least its worth a try. But that profound confusion, that is the definition of Brahman for me. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as delightful confusion. Delightful because it was and confusion because it appeared to my mind that her mind was never going to figure it out. Not now, Not ever am I ever going to figure it out. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] School Sucks
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[FairfieldLife] Geeks Rule
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[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What consent degree? Perhaps consent decree was the wrong term. There was an agreement Yahoo made --apparently with Spitzer -- perhaps others, regarding chat rooms, OK, I had a quick look at your links; I remember reading about this now. perhaps Groups were included I kind of doubt Groups were included. At least, it would seem that making a group suspected of discussing adult material inaccessible to the general public is not the best way of handling the situation--if it isn't accessible except by invitation, all kinds of things could go on there without interference. At least if the public can read it, anything that looks as though it might facilitate child predation has a chance of being reported. It was the *privacy* of the chat rooms that was the problem. Well the mo of many, across the spectrum of nice people and pervs, in many chat rooms, not just teen adult ones, is to engage in some group convo, then, privately IM people of interest and side chat with them privately. The same approach could and does happen in some groups as well as chat rooms. I think the purpose of the yahoo agreement was to create a chinese wall, an inpenetrable firewall, between teens and adults. Good for the problem raised, not so good in terms of increasing communications and understanding between generations. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: The British in India
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What a wonderful rorshoch test this is. The world is as we are. *yawn*... Ah, dream time aproaches. May the sugar plums be sweet and the rag dolls dance with glee. dude, you are quick minded, but that may in fact be your biggest barrier. Good night Sweet dreams. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What consent degree? Perhaps consent decree was the wrong term. There was an agreement Yahoo made --apparently with Spitzer -- perhaps others, regarding chat rooms, OK, I had a quick look at your links; I remember reading about this now. perhaps Groups were included I kind of doubt Groups were included. At least, it would seem that making a group suspected of discussing adult material inaccessible to the general public is not the best way of handling the situation--if it isn't accessible except by invitation, all kinds of things could go on there without interference. At least if the public can read it, anything that looks as though it might facilitate child predation has a chance of being reported. It was the *privacy* of the chat rooms that was the problem. Well the mo of many, across the spectrum of nice people and pervs, in many chat rooms, not just teen adult ones, is to engage in some group convo, then, privately IM people of interest and side chat with them privately. The same approach could and does happen in some groups as well as chat rooms. I think the purpose of the yahoo agreement was to create a chinese wall, an inpenetrable firewall, between teens and adults. Good for the problem raised, not so good in terms of increasing communications and understanding between generations. And the thing is, a lot of kids go to adult age chat rooms (not necessarily with xxx adult material by lying on the age entry on their profile about their age to gain access to where adults hang out. Its funny, because on the text part of their profiles they will sometimes say things like I am really 17, but I lied above to get around yahoos stupid rules that try to keep me in the teen ghetto. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Even newer file uploaded to FairfieldLife
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[FairfieldLife] Cultsim and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis Tom T responds: This is the value of Brahman. Only Brahman can hold those extreme values inside one human mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about the nature of Brahman see above and ponder on that for a while. This is the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. On the hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva, go try and figure it out and you can't. That is the definition of Brahman. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as delightful confusion. Delightful because it was and confusion because the mind was never going to figure it out. Not now Not ever. Tom T Perhaps you can take insight from Dr. Pete, below. You can speak for yourself and your experience, but not really for others. All valid observations and insights that you need to temper your own experience with, not deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. snip Amen. Dr. PS = Perhaps Tom meant to say, This is the value of Brahman for me. Only what I call Brahman can hold those extreme values inside my mind and live with that paradox. If you have any doubt left about what I experience as the nature of Brahman, see above and ponder on that for a while and see if you get the same insight that I do. For me, this is an experience of the exposition and playing out of the Jaimini sutras. I percieve, and hey it may be my ownlimitations, but on one hand is the realtive loony toon character and on the other hand is the blazing brillance of pure Shiva. When I go try and figure it out, it am profoundly confused -- in a good way. I just for the life of me can't figure it out. Maybe you can, at least its worth a try. But that profound confusion, that is the definition of Brahman for me. I once heard a 23 year old, FF born and raised, describe her enlightenment as delightful confusion. Delightful because it was and confusion because it appeared to my mind that her mind was never going to figure it out. Not now, Not ever am I ever going to figure it out. While there are a number of examples that could be drawn upon, the above is handy and illustrates a point I have been pondering. (Thus it is not specific to Tom, but illustrative of a type of thinking and proclamation.) It seems to me, that a characteristic of cults are leader(s) who proclaim a (near) universal message which applies to most if not all. Fundamental truths and insights applicable to all. A second characteristic often is that there is often a mystical claim to such insight, via enlightenment, tradition, intuition, cognition, or other mystical means of knowledge outside of rational explanation. Examples might be its vedic, MMY's latest thinking is, the knowledge, Its my intuition, I'm enlightened and you are not so you can't undertand what I am saying, this is an unsolvable mystery, no one can ever figure it out, its in the bible, the founding fathers said so, the tarot cards said, my jyotish chart said, AV says to do .., south facing entrances, etc. It appears to me, certainly no proof implied, just a shared insight, that the original statement about Brahman above, have these two characteristics. In contrast, the re-written suggested text seems characteristic of a free-thnking, humble seeker (or knower). In terms of purpose, both statements appear to seek communicate something, an insight, that may be useful to others, so that others can chew on it, and if nutritious, to digest and incorporate into their own word view. To me, the latter is far more effective and inviting. And it doesn't have heavy-handedness of cultish procliamations this is the way it is, period. This interprestation of reality is the only valid one. period. And it is known by means way beyond you. So just take it without questioning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: School Sucks
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/topstories/news-article.aspx?storyid=48816 The news is catching even veteran educators by surprise. It is not indicative of any school in Duval County, said Acting Principal Jack Shanklin. I've been in education a long time and I have never seen a situation like this in any educational setting, he said. Which is quite different than suggesting or even validating that its not happening, and hasn't been happening for a longtime. Well, you can't prove a negative, but perhaps if ol' Jack cited some thorough investigation into the matter, his good ol boy statements would carry more weight. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I think Dr Stuphen hit the nail on the head, paraphrasing, One can have quite valid observations and insights to temper ones own experience, but that is not the same as having the ability to deconstruct the validity of another's experience. You can only talk about what you experience, not another. x It seems trouble starts on this board when people try to generalize their own experience to a universal, to all others. Or when someone (A) tries to explain another's experience (B) in A's terms and experience -- and possibly limitations. Or when motives are imputed or diagnosed (with any basis?) Not to say one can't speculate as to whether an observation of a few others behaviors or self-reports, or ones own experience, can be generalized. But that is far different from proclaiming my experience is THE EXPERIENCE. (Beyond discussion of who this pesky my fellow is.) (I know this an ADULT board, but nailing and head above were meant quite innocently.) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultsim and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---But there's no rule written in stone that Enlightenened people may not talk about anything. HWL Poonja talked about it quite a bit, including his experiences with Ramana Maharshi. He also has some interesting comments on Maharishi. MMY I presume you mean, not RM. If so, what did he say about MMY? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Your mind is never going to get MMY. Never, ever.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Your mind is never going to get him [MMY]. Never, ever. Amen. With all due respect and pardons, but that seems quite an odd thing to say. Especially from (no)one proclaiming no self. Who / what is Maharishi? The same as we all experience in or out of meditation. Effulgence, for want of a better inadequate label or name. What is the personality, mind, intellect of Maharishi? Its a hallowed out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of thousands of lives, training, teachers, culturing, habits, experiences, karmas, sadhanas, tapas, sacrafices, blunders, deaths, births, brothers, sisters, pets, hunger, sex, wives, children, wars, peace, oppulence, wandering, seclusion, fame, poverty, shame, dharma, joy, sadness, dispair and elation. What does this tapestry have to do with the Effulgent? Nothing. Other than being a vessel for the Effulgent to flow through. As all vessels, you and me, are. So there is Effulgence, and there is a personality. One of billions of personalities cultured over the eons. That a particular personality has quirks, is odd, misbehaves sometimes -- like Dr. Strangelove's arm trying to chock him -- its all reaction. Reaction of that tapestry, with all its quirky embedded designs, with the day to day ticking of LIFE and experience as presented, while EFFULGENCE flows through it all. What is hard to understand here? Good Morning. So, you've narrowed your understanding down to the roughly six and half billion people currently on the planet, all of whom share in common what you have written about your mind's understanding of Maharishi. Are you able to be more specific? How odd that you feel 6 billion people are hallowed out, crystaline matrix, a unique transparent tapestry woven from the residue of thousands of lives .. (as in roasted samskaras) while living the fullness of effulgence (not experiences while the samskaras are lively). I guess the currency of liberation is so low today, anything and everything passses as it. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultsim and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As they say, 'Denial - Its not just a river in Egypt...' Thats the river that spreads layers of deep bullshit everywhere isn't it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 14, 2005, at 8:36 PM, anonymousff wrote: To me, the latter is far more effective and inviting. And it doesn't have heavy-handedness of cultish procliamations this is the way it is, period. This interprestation of reality is the only valid one. period. And it is known by means way beyond you. So just take it without questioning. One of the reasons an enlightened being will typically not talk about enlightenment or even their own enlightenment is because this is, except for some generalities, of little help in awakening the true state of enlightenment in others. In other words, it's a very inefficient way to introduce that state (either temporarily or permanently) in students. It's interesting the culture that has developed in the west from the satsangs of Ramana, Nisargadatta and Papaji. It's nothing like the sadhanas that lead them to the non-dual state in the first place. Ramana was a devotee of Kali who had numerous non-dual sadhanas. But he did not teach that to his student (that I am aware of). And Nisargadatta had a Nath guru who undoubtedly taught him some great teaching which lead to his ripening and liberation. But he also would not even talk of these teachings in any detail. They gave no methods for the masses that flocked to them like the ones they themselves used. But laughingly, those who emulate their examples merely parody there darshans as if that will do it. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad. Even Papaji said none of his students received his final teaching--the final stroke. They were just leeches. But those who tasted--glimpsed--the View of non-duality abruptly claimed it as their own. And then they declared satsangs of their own. And they declared themselves enlightened on their own...even after people like Papaji told them, no, sorry. It's like the old saying 'those who know, don't say; those who say, don't know.' Worth remembering. The self-proclamation part has always struck me as odd. Linked to the absolutist interpretations of what IT IS. As if there is some insecurity. THIS has to be IT. And odd that there are strong mandates of how IT can be spoken of. And how IT cannot. And what one can understand and what one cannot. And if anyone is experiencing Effulgence, a seemingly endless flow of liveliness, unshakable bliss (not all bliss is dumb), constant wakefulness, actions happening, knowledge happening, loss of possessionship (of ideas, POVs, relations and things), compassion that seems to be rooted at the core of everything, a limitless sense of wonder -- and irony, a not so worried view of pending disasters, a not so impressed view of pending sucesses, then wonderful. Why not speak of these things. Why speak in nebulous labels of liberation, awakening, and enlightenment? Whose liberation, whose awakening? So many paths, so many traditions make so many distinctions. Lots of trail markers on this hike. Why be so anxious to claim the pinnacle. Why not just claim, if claims are needed, I am hiking, and its fun. (oops, sorry the body is hiking smirk (And I mean experience not in the sense of I see the flower and this I experience it, but in the sense of Consciousness Groking, And the process of self-proclamation, what a concept. Someone reads a book and says I GET that! I must be enlightened. hm, they say here no-self is enlightenment. I have searched high and low and cannot find an ego. Ergo I am enlightened. Yet so many self-proclaimed enlightened, even here on this list, but more so else where, directly contradict each other. Sure the indescribable can be approached from different angles. But its odd when A says There is absolutely no ego and B says, of course there is an ego, you are insane to think there isn't, and C says well, there is an ego, but it finds its proper role as servant, not master and D says You are a fool to try to understand this paradox of ego, it is Brahman, it is confusion and E says well, if you take this conic section and slice it, its clear the ego is an elipse with 16 dancing golden elves who are really the ashwins. Perhaps they each went to a different Satsang, or read a different book. Its odd too people claim labels (enlightenemnt, awakening, liberation, and not specific attributes of such. Its as if the label is a smoke screen for all attributes. But few are willng to proclaim specific attributes and discuss in detail. Which if the purpose is helping others, to promote insight and understanding, could serve a role. But usually its la de da liberation. The socratic method always struck me as useful. No proclamations. Simply questions crafted to allow others to get IT in their own way, by their own means. Not that such should be a universal mandate, but it does seem to be a humble path to sharing knowledge. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice Payback
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stop smokin' me up, Tom! I refuse to play a part in your psyche anymore. It is very difficult to resist. Psychiatrist proclaims independence from co-dependence. But its hard he said, exasperated. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 1032 Members
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ** People who were able to lurk before without joining now have to join to read messages because of this group's being put in Yahoo's adult section, that's probably why the jump in numbers. Makes sense. lurk Even though untrue. Sort of a wonderful parable for many things. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultsim and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Silly ego driven bullshit. Yes, though we may differ on the source. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Cultism and Free Seekers
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And two, it is a healthy thing to do in speaking about it [enlightenment] as if it is just another experience. Because it is...just...another...experience. And yet so many disagree that it is an experience (if that implies an experiencer) and so many disagree that it is not special. So many distinct views of enlightenemnt, it makes on pause for a moment to wonder if maybe some are speaking of different things. Its such a joy that in this age of enlightenment everyone seems free and joyous to define enlightenment any way they think is neat and then claim it. Sort of like drawing circles, a target, around an arrow you already shot. On the broadside of the barn. While the fat lady sings. Its such a joy. Cake anyone? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Regulations and Restrictions
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, hanumanhoffman9 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regulations and Restrictions From Sadguru Sookti Sangraha, Sri Ganapathi Sachchidananda Swamiji Peace and happiness cannot be derived through impulsive and unbridled freedom. Actually, there is no freedom without restraint. For attaining peace and happiness in life, self-imposed regulations and restrictions are most necessary. They are not meant to punish the body, but to regulate and channelize it in order to bring self-discipline. Human body is the temple of God. Mind, by itÕs very nature, is chanchala (restless). It will always try to rule over the body. It will think of something and the body will follow. Mind and body need to be subjected to the higher principles of life, so that slowly and steadily, they are purified. So long as purification of body and mind are lacking, self- fulfillment will also be delayed. In order to achieve purification, there are many religious/spiritual practices, such as Naama Sankeertan, Pooja, Homa, reading of the scriptures, Pranaayama, Yogasanaas etc. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, cardemaister [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whew! If one ain't sure where to place long (diirgha) vowels, one might be better off not trying to do that at all! It may turn out to be counterproductive, or stuff. Sorry! Why are you sorry? That you suspect many of us here cannot understand your egotistic attempts at translating Sanskrit posts? Am I the only one not smart enough to figure out what you are doing? Do you think what you are doing isn't counterproductive? or sorry that what you post can't enlighten us? Or sorry that we are smart enough to know? Hoffman at least is providing something more interesting than your gAbULdEgUk. ignorantanon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK said he reads FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in because of its adult classification. If this is the result of someone complaining to Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of if you don't play my way I'm taking my football and going home syndrome. Multiply that tendency 1,000 times and you have a terrorist blowing up innocent people. Because there's a total lack of civility seen in other groups, because there are people who get their rocks off by playing now I've got you, so sonofabitch, because there are Drs who should keep their diagnosis to their own unfortunate clients and not to FFL, there are people out to get FFL closed down in the belief that freedom of speech does not include deriding and belittling people over and over and over again. If this is such a spiritual group, why aren't people called when they do such things to people? It's possible that someone tried to get FFL closed down because of someone posting inappropriate material then someone complained once again to Yahoo. Rick knows the whole story, only he's keeping it quiet. Quiet is something Rick should not be. He's the group owner and moderator. Quiet makes him accomplice. Posting rules doesn't cut it. Cutting someone down when they go on the attack is what needs to be done. Unless, until FFL polices itself, there will be people trying everything they can to get FFL closed down, including interviewing with and being hired by Yahoo so they can then have the power to pull the plug on not only FFL but all the members with Yahoo email addresses so the group can't reform. Characterize it (character, what an interesting word) as a play by my rules or I take my ball home if you wish. Read the posts and tell me if there has been sufficient civility to warrant FFL continuing another second. Play by the rules of civility or the group will be closed down, if bribes, calling in favors from friends in infamous families, and endless number of complaints against Yahoo don't close don't this group, nothing will. Play by the rules of civility and people won't feel they've entered a minefield where whatever they post will be pounced upon again and again and again. And won't feel the need to stiffle free speech. Or spend their free time networking to find just the right person to get the plug pulled on FFL. Terrorists? Disappointed you can't access FFL from a public library? Blame the major flippant posters of FFL for that. If you go to the site and suddenly it's no longer there, blame said posters for that as well. And blame yourself for not saying cut that out in response to the uncivil posts. BTW, the posts of Rudra Joe were enough to get this group an Adult rating or deletion years ago. It just took a while for Yahoo to catch on. Get it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: FFL's Adult Yahoo Category
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a minor annoyance to most of us but one fellow in the UK said he reads FFL on a public library computer and can no longer get in because of its adult classification. If this is the result of someone complaining to Yahoo, then I'd say they have a serious case of if you don't play my way I'm taking my football and going home syndrome. Multiply that tendency 1,000 times and you have a terrorist blowing up innocent people. Because there's a total lack of civility seen in other groups, because there are people who get their rocks off by playing now I've got you, so sonofabitch, because there are Drs who should keep their diagnosis to their own unfortunate clients and not to FFL, there are people out to get FFL closed down in the belief that freedom of speech does not include deriding and belittling people over and over and over again. If this is such a spiritual group, why aren't people called when they do such things to people? It's possible that someone tried to get FFL closed down because of someone posting inappropriate material then someone complained once again to Yahoo. Rick knows the whole story, only he's keeping it quiet. Quiet is something Rick should not be. He's the group owner and moderator. Quiet makes him accomplice. Posting rules doesn't cut it. Cutting someone down when they go on the attack is what needs to be done. Unless, until FFL polices itself, there will be people trying everything they can to get FFL closed down, including interviewing with and being hired by Yahoo so they can then have the power to pull the plug on not only FFL but all the members with Yahoo email addresses so the group can't reform. Characterize it (character, what an interesting word) as a play by my rules or I take my ball home if you wish. Read the posts and tell me if there has been sufficient civility to warrant FFL continuing another second. Play by the rules of civility or the group will be closed down, if bribes, calling in favors from friends in infamous families, and endless number of complaints against Yahoo don't close don't this group, nothing will. Play by the rules of civility and people won't feel they've entered a minefield where whatever they post will be pounced upon again and again and again. And won't feel the need to stiffle free speech. Or spend their free time networking to find just the right person to get the plug pulled on FFL. Terrorists? Disappointed you can't access FFL from a public library? Blame the major flippant posters of FFL for that. If you go to the site and suddenly it's no longer there, blame said posters for that as well. And blame yourself for not saying cut that out in response to the uncivil posts. BTW, the posts of Rudra Joe were enough to get this group an Adult rating or deletion years ago. It just took a while for Yahoo to catch on. Get it? Oh darn...it got posted. I was ranting a bit folks, again, and didn't mean to hit the send key. I really must stop being so sneaky and making vague threats to you all. My buttons got pushed, especially by Rudra Joe, way back when. And Dr. Pete- who I now acknowledge really nailed it when he addressed my posting several back. And that stuff I just said about 'if bribes, calling in favors from friends in infamous families, and endless number of complaints against Yahoo don't close don't this group, nothing will. Play by the rules of civility...etc '. I really overstepped my bounds, and realize that empty threats don't amount to much, especially anaonymously... So anyway, keep up the free exchange of ideas, and I will try my best to restrain myself in the future...I for one really hope we are able to get this site back to a non-Adult Category again. Cheers. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TMO threatens South Florida teacher and magazine
What an arrogant asshole you, MDG, are. This is beyond any of your usual pompous material. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ffia1120 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael, I just have one question. Did your mother ever tape your mouth or otherwise prevent you from talking when you were growing up? Sal On Dec 12, 2005, at 2:23 PM, Michael Dean Goodman wrote: (Really long snip) I hope this gives FFLife readers some perspective on the local situation here in south Florida. It's caused much more heat on the FFLife list than it has here locally! Locally, other than his ads, Mike's TM activities are so limited that they have very little effect and get no attention. The few times that my schedule has allowed me to go to a TM event hosted by the new teachers, I've never heard Mike mentioned. Sounds to me (to quote Michael) like his ego got stuck. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd guess. Interesting man that Tom. You're assuming that Tom is just wrath. Actually, he's full of shake and quake but is very sensitive to slights, as he was trained like Pavlov's dogs to equate the slightest displeasure of someone with him as another night he has to worry about being murdered or thrown out in the snow shoeless and naked to spend the night shivering in what little pile of leaves he could find. Hopefully God was good that night and he was able to get some rest for school the next day. That sensitiveness to slights makes him feel differently about Ben saying he was happy everybody enjoyed their special coins or amulets when he didn't receive anything. It's true Tom told Ben after a few years that he wasn't that excited about receiving sacred ash, but Ben's mamory is ever convenient to cover up his own failings. Ben does appear to suffer from attention and memory deficit. Tom lives in a world in which a man's word is his bond, else he's fired an hour after he fails to deliver. Tom truly believes Ben is just another one of those space cadets who's quite suited to the SoCal let's have lunch mentality. Tom is not all hate. There are a lot of flakey people in the world and there are a lot of vicious people in the world, Dr. Pete and Dr. Lechter being two of them. Tom might have asked for it, but that doesn't mean it's got to run the gauntlet and then have the person he least honors for truth and reliability after having dealt with him for years, the Pundit in training, to pick up on Dr. Pete's damnation of him with just look at his chracter. search the archives. as a way to cover up his own failing and child abuse issues. Tom has arranged for a $50,000 legal retainer to sue Ben the lier. If Ben posts a fully apologitic statement in which he admits in every line that he, and not Tom was wrong and he apologizes for wrongfully accusing Tom for it in an unambiguous, convincing, non-finger pointing way, the suit will not be filed. Any hint that he's being insincere and Tom will see Ben in Court. If Ben posts anything to Fairfield life on any subject becept a convincing apology and agreement that he is a flake, the lawsuit against Ben will be filed and a few days later Ben will receive his subpoena. Tom doesn't want to stiffle Ben's freedom of speach. But he doesn't want to read the words of a lier who reprements himself as totally innocent of any wrong doing. The lawyers will prove otherwise. Tom has more money set aside for more prosecuition, counter suits and to fight malicious, frivilous law suits against him. He's also got every email Ben ever sent to him, notes of every phone conversation, every email he ever sent to Ben or others about Ben. Some of it will curl your hair. Joining YBC is the best thing Tom ever did. It's been a week now he's been doing full TM/TM Sidhi Program. The consciousness flows through him now and he feels full of spunk and hope and optimism as he did 14 years ago when he was last able to do full program off a course. The infusion of consciousness makes former perceived slights not. It makes frustrations in traffic not. It makes the feeling of being helplessly stuck in the muck and mire not. It makes formely overwhelming terror and panic which drove him to the bottle of Dr.s' prescripions flow through and out of him. Tom has lead a moderately successful life here and there, clearing a quarter million a year here, being an National Merit there, branch manager of a control systems vendor resident at Bechtel in SF with an annual 1/4 $billion annual budged there, being born conscious and remembering his past there. Interesting Man that Tom is not only truer than you imagine, its truer than you can imagine. Richard Nixon opened us to Mainland China, but took Dilantin for his depression, did some really petty shit and resigned as the articles of impeachment were being drawn up. Abraham Lincoln and his life believed in dreams and wrote every one down. They had sayances performed in the White House regularly and Lincoln timed has actions based on the feedback he got through his secretary from a noted psychic. Lincoln told his cabinet the day before that night about the very disturbing dream where we woke up and heard wailing. He walked into a hall and there was a large man laid out in a coffin. He asked an overcome woman who was laid out in the coffin. The woman told him it was the President. Lincoln campaigned to have That Pecular Instituion undone but also put his power behind the establishment of the country of
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Has *anyone* suggested Tom get a wrathful mantra/ishta rather than a peaceful one? Peaceful deity mantras are just peachy for your average Joe or Judy wanting to *transcend*, but special mentations require special mantras. This guys a diamond in the rough just waiting for the right method. He'd attain mirror-like Wisdom quite quickly I'd guess. Interesting man that Tom. Being on a spiritual path has not mitigated what seems to me to be some real flaws. So you've been keeping Tom's diary. Once again Tom is damned because he's fabulously improved but not perfect. I think it lends credence to the notion that we all could use a good dose of therapy. I would welcome Dr. Pete's opinion on this. I'd welcome the the opinion of a real doctor, not a sick himself wannabe psychologist or a vet saying he's a psychologist. It's hard to imagine anything more horrendous than this story. They say emotional development gets arrested at the time of abuse. Damning Tom once again. He's not a survivor who's getting over. He's forever damned because his emotional development was arrested at the time of abuse. Funny the real Dr.s who treated Tom didn't feel that way. They felt no need to teach Tom how to act or encourage him to grow. They watched it happen before their eyes and took notes. They felt that merely freeing the pain brought forth the true, loving, secure Tom. With other patients these very Drs. taught their patients what they had failed to develop. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. snip Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story, and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks. lurk It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall rather well and believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to evoke pity to make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it to cure their own misery, should be less flippant and derisive. It did prove one thing. Dr. Pete isn't perhaps a doctor. If he is he's most likely a vet. One thing about this anon, he doesn't let go once he sinks his teeth in. The attributes of a survivor and what makes Anon exceedingly successful in his profession. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 12/7/05 7:17 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, was Laura Calvert at MIU? The name is so familiar, but I can't a face to the name. Perhaps I can answer your question. Laura Calvert was an Okie who migrated to Austin, TX because she was a groupie and because she had friends with money (one of them was Tom) who helped her out. Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you referring to Tom Pall? Yes. Tom was never by any stretch of the imagination rich. But he managed all his life to make a good income, spent most of his life single and often cared more about giving to others than keeping for himself. He grew up in a thrify household which didn't even believe in buying a house on credit until one had saved enough to buy one outright. He was, when all the ladies came back from Governor Training talked up as a good catch and is till considered to be one today. You'd probably have to be a woman to understand their way of thinking. I don't know about anyone else, but I find the concept of women thinking of a man as a good catch because of his income more offensive than any of the racist epithets attributed here to Tom. It wasn't just his income. It was his warmth and caring. He had been and could have become again a very devoted, loving husband. And unlike many guys in the TM Movement or on the periphery, he was straight. Many women, including Laura, told Tom how much an issue was that. OK, now flame on about that slam. You can't win for losing in this group, can you? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/hemMeA/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 8, 2005, at 7:20 AM, anonymousff wrote: Had he been a foster child, his ability to attach, ability to love and intellect would not have made him a horror but a joy to have, love and hold. I don't know that that would be the case. My one child, we were his 12th home by the age of 5 and he was not removed from his family of origin till he was 2. In a child like that, all they have to do is act out till the system moves them; and they move from house to house to house. again and again and again. I know one women who was in over 85 foster placements. She did recover but not until after long term placement in one of two long term attachment facilities in the country. We need more. You're obsessed with this foster home thing, aren't you? Foster home was never an issues or an option where this child grew up. Family took in a child when his or her parents died. Try to imagine that life is not organized nor every nook and crany of the world constructed the way you've experienced it nor make your practice in it for just amoment. The child grew up in a nice surburban/collegate but not affluent area where the system and foster homes didn't exist. Children were cared for by every neighbor and relative. If your nose was running, a neighbor handed you a hanky and told you to blow. If it was lunch time, they called your mom, told you were there and asked if it was OK to have the child eat with the family. If your shoe laces were untied and you didn't quite have the knack of it, a stranger would do the honors. People just didn't get involved in the discipline of a child, which is what people considered this case to be. It was a different time, a different place. The entire world is not the ghetto and there still are places where charity begins and ends next door. The neighbor's wife died very young of pneumonia after an illness that lasted all of 24 hours. The neighbors women visited on a rotation basis to raise the children and console and feed the husband. No kidding. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad story. Laura worked with me in the Western Regional Office in L.A. for a while. Sweet lady. May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin. Unc So life is not a bowl of cherries for all of us and a little charity and love instead of the constant grand slam this group is noted for is sometimes appropriate, be the poster sweet or not? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better... Yes. Thank you Dr. Lechter. I get it. With fava beans and a good chianti. Thank you for revealing who you are and what you're made of, Dr. Lechter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the clarification. No flames. Having spent far too much time in California, around women who literally talked in terms of having a prosperous first marriage, so that they never had to work a day in their lives, I'm a bit sensitive to female money-grubbing. :-) Being a guy every once in a while, I can understand the concept of money grubbing. There's a famous country singer who announced two decades ago that he's given up on marriage. He's found it much easier on the psyche every few years to go and buy a house and give it to a woman he can't stand. Perhaps you should spend some time working out with the guys, showering with them and sharing a few beers afterwards. If you thought Tom appeared to have some unflattering things to say about women and their motives... Quite seriously, there was a mad rush in places like Dallas by ladies who had come back from Governor Training to get the best rising sidha man with an income. Tom was accosted by a Governor who's name sounded like and who looked like she was a Blackfoot Indian but was in fact of Welch extraction. She married a real geek who worked at TI because the man she had had a couple of enjoyable walk and talks with on a CAC prep course in Forrestburg, TX insulted her and all of Governer- and Women-kind by not proposing to her on the spot. Here he was cute, witty, charming, gentlemanly and prosperous and she had to settle for second best because Tom left her at the alter during one of those walk and talks. Tom's head still reels when he remembers the rage directed at him by the woman he unknowingly and unwittingly ??jilted??. Perhaps what every other women has told Tom is right: men are boys who never grow up and unsensitive louts to boot. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sincerity is in the eye of the beholder, as you well know. Now run along and accuse someone else, if it makes you feel any better... Yes. Thank you Dr. Lechter. I get it. With fava beans and a good chianti. Thank you for revealing who you are and what you're made of, Dr. Lechter. Oooops. I take that back. Sorry. I apologize profusely. I was really feeling mean and insecure and took a jab at you. Won't happen again. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sad story. Laura worked with me in the Western Regional Office in L.A. for a while. Sweet lady. May she have a speedy and pleasant trip through the Bardo, and end up in a dimension that is closed to pissants like the ones who drove her out of Austin. Amen and Bon Voyage. We love you Laura. L B S And all of us in different ways. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Men and women (was Re: Yagna By Choice)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recall a videotape about the role of devotion in culturing god consciousness. MMY said that if both husband and wife worked, each would be too spent at day's end to devote themselves to the marriage. One person would need to be fresh. I saw this on a men-only course. I imagine the women -- or the ladies, as one says in the TMO -- saw the same tape. MMY never had any kids to mother through out the day, did he? A man doth work from sun to sun but a women's work is never done is no less true now than it was two centuries ago. Then God created soccer moms. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It has been said: money is the greatest aphrodisiac. But more often power is the greatest aprhodisiac. Don't get me started on the J.A.P. jokes about what ends that lust. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, L B Shriver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to Dr Kissinger, POWER is the greatest aphrodisiac. L B S Add to it a German accent that's pure affectation. Henry's brother has no accent. I know a guy who went from talking like a Damned Yankee to a Texan in just a few years but Henry hasn't learned to talk like a Georgetown resident in 70 years. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No problem with it coming up. It's just a personal preference with me. I got so disgusted with the money-grubbing mentality of California women (espec- ially Southern California women) that I left the state, never to return. I think it's something in the water there. :-) I loved the If you're straight or even bi I'm yours. Take me, you fool. mentality of SF, CA two decades ago. I had to struggle with offers to become a women's mister (I guess that's the masculine of mistress in this context) about once a month. Being treated like a sex object was a bit uncomfortable, however. It was rough but beat out Tom's experience at 7 by a mile. So who did I hook up with? Dawn, of the Age of Enlightenment who left me for a mere boy who wanted to get married. She died soon afterwards. Hmm. I seem to have this effect upon women. Any obscenely wealthy women wanting to get married sans prenup? It is said a man who marries for money earns it. With my batting average I wouldn't have to work that long to earn it. Gallows humor to assuage the grief. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Men and women (was Re: Yagna By Choice)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks for the explanation. The women who saw this tape and actually believed it are free to search for men who share the same degree of gullibility. Me, I'll hold out for more. :-) Would someone please pull out the requirements for a bride of Ram Raj again? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whoever said that has obviously never visited a good Chinese tonic herbalist. I knew such an herbalist once, who supplied tonic herbal teas (including some that were rather powerful yang tonics) to the rich and famous. I once got to sample some of the tea he was brewing up for an order for Billy Idol and Mick Jagger. Had a hardon for three days. No joke. According to the Viagra commercials on TV here in the hahahaha The Home of the Brave and the Free hahahahaha, any such condition which lasts for me than 3 hours should immediately be reported to one's doctor. Dr. Jordan's answering service. Would you state your condition so the Doctor can get right back to you? What's that you say? You've had a Purple Heart on for more than 3 hours? Well, on behalf of a gratful nation Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gallows humor to assuage the grief. Was that Dawn, a former MIU student in the early days? Blond hair? A bit zoftig, tended to space out and stare at the palms of her hands in utter amazement for years after her TTC? Taught in FTL during the Merv wave? Full lips and ...? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for a good provider is an essential thing for a sane woman who is hoping to raise a family unless she is already well-to-do. The problem is when you make money the MOST important part of who you're looking for. After that looking for a winning divorce attorney, retaining custody and being a good housekeeper doesn't hurt either. Sorry. Been working out, showering and having some beers with the guys afterward a bit too often. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Men and women (was Re: Yagna By Choice)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's two different kinds of frazzle from outside work vs housework. Both are bad, but having to have BOTH at once in the same person is probably worse. Thank God the Sixpense in Her Shoe, Feminine Mistique and Woman's Lib thing has waned a bit, not to mention the coming of business casual in the work place. It was exteremly painful to watch and work with women who felt they had to have their hair done before each meeting, be dressed to the hilt, work day and night to get ahead in the profession, race home to cook for hubby and the kids and be a tigress in the private quarters of the house. At a computer vendor in Roundrock, TX, they're only required, in keeping with the area's californication, to have 2% bodyfat, do aerobics for 4 hours a day, work 60 hours a week, be gourmet chefs and look like a movie star goddess. Oh yeah, and of course have large Winnebagos. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about men thinking of women as good catches based on looks and/or family connections? Pretty much the same level of stupidity. You get what you settle for. It's not who we are, Harley, it's what we've settled on being. -- Thelma and Louise Drop In To See The Grand Canyon Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It *was* kinda embarrassing; I had to buy some baggy pants for the duration. Fortunately I was on vacation and not doing training classes at the time, otherwise the students would've been making snide comments about my new laser pointer. :-) But at least now I know the secret of Billy and Mick's onstage charisma. When I'm not sleeping (I assume) and am rounding, the laser pointer is almost ever present. One of Nature's little impractacle jokes, I suspose. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, that's her (I like the zoftig adjective!) She lived in my Frat, but I never really knew her very well. I think she died of skin cancer. She was one of the first ru's to die of cancer. MMY had a special secret telephone conversation with her towards the end. Probably one of the last ru's to have that sort of treatment. I was branch manager for a control system vendor for a multi-billion dollar seawater treatment plant for Prudhoe Bay, Alaska. To put sea water out of the bay, treat it and pump it into 1200 wells to replace the oil else Alaska would become one big sinkhole. I had to entertain and also fly first class. She was gratious to allow me to drink all the bloody marys and wine they served with breakfast in the up front cabin. She was not only a very charming person on our quiet trips to Calestoga, she was a very gracious dinner companion when I had to blow $4,000 for dinner at the Big Four or Caesar's Castle or La Touilas (I can't spell French) to feed all of 3 couples once a week. She loved French veggies and Perier with lime (at something like $15 a bubble) at those places. A very sweet but typically naive MIU lady. I remember my first words when I met her again in SF after watching her stare at her palms for hours on end at the FTL TM Center. I melted, gazed in her eyes and uttered that she'd become a stunningly beautiful woman. And beautiful she was in every way you could imagine. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/CQDrNC/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bbrigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how old Walter Kissinger was when he landed in New York with Henry, but if he was even a little younger, that would explain his superior command of English pronunciation. If Walter was older than Henry, then it's just a matter of individual variation -- everybody, not just linguistic professionals, has met people who have never lost their home country accent, so it strains credulity to say that Henry would have wasted his name affecting an accent for all these years, when a more reasonable explanation is just that he was too old to acquire the pronunciation pattern of a native speaker of American English. Dr. K likes to drink. He loses his accent and speaks English like a native born American when he's had a bit too much to drink or when you catch him at an odd moment when he's off guard. Ask any reporter. Even journalists like at LB's level has observed this. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Drugs Don't Discriminate. Get help for yourself or someone you know. http://us.click.yahoo.com/0I.OUB/ZbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would you trust *your* children to Mahesh's theories? Indeed. I had almost total immersion in Czech at Our Lady of the Inquisition Catholic School in kindergarten and 1-2 grade. The nuns were right off the boat from Czecho. It was easy as pie to learn Czech. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AQDrNC/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. snip Sorry to come in late on this thread, but is this Tom Pall's story, and if so, is this a reposting, or is this new information? Thanks. lurk It is not a reposting. I think I know Tom Pall rather well and believe it to be Tom's story. It was not written to evoke pity to make the statement that shrinks, except ones who are obviously in it to cure their own misery, should be less flippant and derisive. It did prove one thing. Dr. Pete isn't perhaps a doctor. If he is he's most likely a vet. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Does he tell you he loves you when he hits you? Abuse. Narrated by Halle Berry. http://us.click.yahoo.com/HcoraC/rbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But M's theory is that this should just confuse you Akasha. If you subtly think of Inner Lite Beer before doing your flying, your body takes on the properties of Akasha, confused or not. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Need Help? Get Help! Tools and Strategies for Healthy Drug-Free Living/a. http://us.click.yahoo.com/wI.OUB/dbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Yagna By Choice. It Works
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn Golden, wasn't it? Her name came up for discussion a while back. Sal Give that man a cupie doll. Of course Dawn Golden. A name impossible to remember for me, just like the names Ann Richards and Paul Harvey. She was quite a gal when she came back from TTC and became every part of a lovely woman. She made the mistake of not waiting around to marry the right man in Tom's opinion but beyond that she was perfection incarnate. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Ever feel sad or cry for no reason at all? Depression. Narrated by Kate Hudson. http://us.click.yahoo.com/YbEMxA/ubOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: TM-Sidhis and Judaism
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, at_man_and_brahman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a copy of the video. It's probably fairly rare in the U.S. Anyway that you can make a copy of this video and email it to the files in the group? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Dying to be thin? Anorexia. Narrated by Julianne Moore. http://us.click.yahoo.com/abEMxA/sbOLAA/d1hLAA/0NYolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Emotional Healing'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In reading some of the recent posts, and the feeling, That the TMO avoids discussing emotional healing. I have had some experience with emotional healing. Feeling what is at the root of what is blocking emotions. Noticing what is coming up emotionally, staying with the feeling, bring awareness to what is below the surface, what is held in the body Talking about feelings in an atmosphere of unconditional love. The idea that , that the soul itself, Can heal what needs to be healed. Generally, any emotion which is held, a block, a lower vibration, of fear, or whatever.. Meditation, by expanding consciousness, can bring the awareness to feel, or view or 'see' what the block is; or seeing 'it' for what it is; Then some detatchment or some awareness of the emotional block, Helps to release yourself from this sort of mental/emotional block. All in all, we want to feel our emotions completely and fully. Unfortunately, many of us who have lived in dysfuncional families; And a dysfunctional culture, have trouble just expressing or just knowing one's true feelings, or what we are expected to feel; or We can tend to feel numb or shutdown, or left-out, etc. When avoiding what we are feeling... It would be appreciates for anyone to share, from personal experience, How is it to heal emotionally... How did it happen, what is a good way to think of what Emotional healing is; what does it entail.. R.G. Imagine the day in the life of a cetain 5 year old boy. An only child, so no siblings to confide in or get help from. The boy comes home from school. It's freezing cold, blizzard conditions outside. The boy is as usual made to strip completely outside before entering the house. The boy has mud on his pants, so his mother's enraged. The boy is taken to the basement and placed in one of the wash tubs to be bathed, as dirtying the upstairs and especially the bathroom/bathtub is a no-no. While the boy is being bathed, his mother yells and screams at him for getting mud on his clothes (despite the fact that his clothes are stripped off him and washed every time he arrives at the house). His mother goes into her usual almost hourly tirade that the boy is no good, that he will get nowhere in life, that no one loves him, that he'll never be loved, have any friends or succeed in life. That God hates him and that he'll be forever damned. She tries to drown him once again, but he manages to free himself from her grasp before losing consciousness. Enraged more, his mother takes the stick she uses to poke clothes into dye or bleach in that sink and beats him with it. Eventually dad comes home and is enraged that his wife is angry at the boy. He makes the boy kneel for hours, naked, in the closet of his bedroom on coins which dig into his knees, to pray to God to become a good boy, despite the fact that he is forever damned, that he is useless, terrible, that he is not loved, will never be loved, will never succeed, never have friends, will be shunned by all. Imagine that afternoon and early evening are repeated from the age of 1 to 18 years old. Imagine that the fraternal uncle the boy begs help from decides to fuck him up the ass, dry, at the age of 7, while the boy pleads to his uncle for deliverance from these parents between the strokes which tear apart his rectum. Imagine a child who spends most of his time shaking and trembling and going to the police and neighbors begging for help but being shunned and told to go away and to stop shaking and trembling like that. There's a possibility that someone having grown up under such circumstances might have issues. That the person might have problems with anger and might not want to be characterized by the resident psychologist of a forum related to TM and spiritual matters to be damned forever because of his character. Suppose while the man who survived that has been through the therapy but TM and other spiritual practices at times unearth some of the pain of the past. Imagine that when TM causes some unstressing of the pain, the utterances of pain the man writes into an occasional post are used with glee by people on the spiritual path and even a pundit in training to be something they can use to pounce upon the man and denounce him and damn him forever in post after post. Emotional healing is difficult. It is painful beyond belief. Bearing it all without complaint, without revealing the pain or the past but being denounced by people who take sport in it like they're in the audience at the Coloseum in Rome two millenium ago is just another part of the life of someone officially designated by health professionals who are experts in their field as a survivor is just another afternoon in the life of such a person. It hurts. But it doesn't hurt as much as the typical afternoon the person faced as a 5 year old. It hurts to read the stories of
