[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
Creating Israel was a bad idea, a colossal blunder. Both, Israel and Palestine haven't existed for 3000 years. Ever since Nebuchadnezar of Babylon conquered that territory, it has been under foreign rule. Partitioning a state is one of the worst things that can happen. It leads to huge complications. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 13:12:06 EDTSubject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' You think there would be peace in the middle east if Israel ceased to exist? Blab-away for as little as 1ยข/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 21:16:26 EDT In a message dated 4/18/06 3:02:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt if you will find any Arab nation that objected to our involvement in helping the Mujahadeen in ousting the Soviets. That doesn't make it alright to destroy an entire country. Saddam Hussein did not come to power by the hands of the US. And the US only gave Saddam enough military intelligence, via Satellite to let him know of Iranian troop movements so the status quo could be maintained. I've heard a vastly different story there. Israel is our ally who we will defend to the end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off about American foreign policy I disagree, Israel illegally holds onto large swathes of the west bank and east jerusalem, it is NOT their land and they treat the rightful owners despicably, Who wants allies like that? What pisses off the entire world about american foreign policy is the vile hypocrisy. . However the United States has bent over backwards trying to reach an agreement to establish a Palestinian homeland even to the tune of billions of dollars in aid to Palestinian people. Bent over backwards tricking the palestinians into accepting the situation Israel has forced on them you mean. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/18/06 9:06:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However the United States has bent over backwards trying to reach an agreement to establish a Palestinian homeland even to the tune of billions of dollars in aid to Palestinian people.As compared to how much aid to the Israeli people? Does the United States owe the Palestinian people a dime? They are not our allies and they are represented by terrorist organizations. The fact that we deal with them at all and have tried repeatedly to help them organize into a nation state and give them billions of dollars to do so is nothing that we owe them but we do it inhopes that they will accept a homeland and live in peace which is like pissing in the wind. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/19/06 7:23:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt if you will find any Arab nation that objected to our involvement inhelping the Mujahadeen in ousting the Soviets.That doesn't make it alright to destroy an entire country. So, are you blaming the United States for destroying Afghanistan? Geez you really are one of the America haters. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/19/06 7:23:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Saddam Hussein did not cometo power by the hands of the US. And the US only gave Saddam enough militaryintelligence, via Satellite to let him know of Iranian troop movements sothe status quo could be maintained.I've heard a vastly different story there. One can read ANYTHING one wants, written by anybody. Doesn't make it factual. Kind of like blaming the United States for destroying Afghanistan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/19/06 7:23:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel is our ally who we will defend tothe end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off aboutAmerican foreign policyI disagree, Israel illegally holds onto large swathes of the west bank and east jerusalem, it is NOT their land and they treat the rightful owners despicably, Who wants allies like that? Too bad, they are our allies whether you can accept it or not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 10:19:27 EDT In a message dated 4/19/06 7:23:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Israel is our ally who we will defend to the end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off about American foreign policy I disagree, Israel illegally holds onto large swathes of the west bank and east jerusalem, it is NOT their land and they treat the rightful owners despicably, Who wants allies like that? Too bad, they are our allies whether you can accept it or not. No peace in the middle east then. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/19/06 10:39:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I disagree, Israel illegally holds onto large swathes of the west bank andeast jerusalem, it is NOT their land and they treat the rightful ownersdespicably, Who wants allies like that?Too bad, they are our allies whether you can accept it or not.No peace in the middle east then. You think there would be peace in the middle east if Israel ceased to exist? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/18/06 9:06:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However the United States has bent over backwards trying to reach an agreement to establish a Palestinian homeland even to the tune of billions of dollars in aid to Palestinian people. As compared to how much aid to the Israeli people? Does the United States owe the Palestinian people a dime? They are not our allies and they are represented by terrorist organizations. The fact that we deal with them at all and have tried repeatedly to help them organize into a nation state and give them billions of dollars to do so is nothing that we owe them but we do it in hopes that they will accept a homeland and live in peace which is like pissing in the wind. As opposed to the Israelis, who took what was aninternational city and turned it into a sectarian capital? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/19/06 3:15:04 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As opposed to the Israelis, who took what was aninternational city and turned it into a sectarian capital? Starting a war is risky business. I'm sure the Egyptians, Syrians, and Jordanians, didn't expect to lose so quickly and so much. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 11:34:28 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If it is the only way to shut their operation down and prevent them from building their own then so be it.And then you've got your 40,000 maddened suicide bombers,or more, some of them with suitcase nukes, as you andothers keep pointing out. I take it you don't mind if they have their own nuclear arsenal, do you? I mean everybody else has them, why shouldn't they? Is that where you're coming from?That's too stupid to respond to. Judy the idea is to keep Iran from being in a position where they can make nukes and possibly hand them off. I would much rather deal with 40,000 suicide bombers with C4 explosives than fifteen or twenty with suit case or whatever other kind of nukes they can smuggle into a country and use. As for the question that was too stupid to respond to I certainly hope you don't think it is acceptable for Iran to have a nuclear arsenal, but there are people out there that say"if we can have them , why can't they". I am dead serious about that . I don't know what you would propose to Iran to persuade them to nock it off but I guarantee you thatthere have been far more intelligent and informed people than anybody in this forum from all over the world that have tried to negotiate in good faith with Iran and obviously have not had any success. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/18/06 12:23:28 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . Their government is elected democratically but with certain controls imposed on it from the clergy. Close enough. The Mullahs have the final say. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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From: anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:41:27 - Hi Richard, Comment Below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I doubt if Mutually Assured Destruction would stop Iran from using nukes or any other weapons. Mutually assured destruction is the aim of suicide bombers, and I get the idea the same mentality pervades some middle eastern cultures/goverments/nations. MAD is not the aim of SB's, MAD is ensuring no-one attacks you because they know you can annihilate them in return. MAD kept the peace in europe until the end of the cold war. Unfortunately that meant all wars between the US USSR were fought by proxy in vietnam, afghanistan etc. In particular president Ahmadinejad, who (some fear) sees international turmoil as heralding the return of the twelfth imam, which he believes would bring about peace and justice by establishing islam throughout the world. The greater the turmoil or more destructive the war, the more likely is the return of the imam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_imam#Reappearance http://www.newstatesman.com/200512050014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501428.html not a great way to live but seeing as Israel has such obvious expansionist ambitions it's either that or another US invasion. Israeli expansionist ambitions? Can you elaborate? 250,000 Israeli settlers on illegally held land on the West Bank, I doubt they will be happy until they have all the land that God gave them from the med to the river Jordan. This is a major problem for arabs (and all right thinking folk I would say) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT In a message dated 4/17/06 2:53:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't want to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN because they were getting cheap oil too. You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as Karma I would say we are due! Up until 911 the only Middle eastern country the US has any history of meddling in was Iran it's self. The rest were governments set up by their own people or the British. Maybe I'm wrong. Can anybody think of any governments that we or our CIA toppled, other than the government in Iran that we helped place the Shaw in power of? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:15:44 EDT Up until 911 the only Middle eastern country the US has any history of meddling in was Iran it's self. The rest were governments set up by their own people or the British. Maybe I'm wrong. Can anybody think of any governments that we or our CIA toppled, other than the government in Iran that we helped place the Shaw in power of? Afghanistan springs to mind, The USSR invaded to prop up the govt, a sympathetic gas supplier. The resulting ten year hell left the country in a pitiful state controlld by warlords and eventually the taliban. The mujahideen were largely trained and organised by the west. ex-cia operative Zbigniew Brzeziski claimed that the US destabilisd the country in the first place! hoping to trick the USSR into a vietnam style conflict. Saddam Hussien is another madman helped into power. And supported throughout his convenient war with Iran. Add the unconditional support of Israel at the expense of the palestinians, I think there is enough for some to be pissed off about Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 22:06:07 EDT In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. I don't know where you are getting this ten year schedule from A report in the guardian newspaper, not definitive perhaps but I'm not losing sleep, not yet anyway! but there are far more estimates giving far fewer years. On the average I have been hearing 2 to 3 years. And whether they can develop a suit case size nuke or not there are ways of smuggling a nuke into just about any country. I was surprised at 9/11 I always thought they would wait until they had a nuke and sail it up the hudson or the thames. The last thing you want to do is wait till they have one or even worse more. Iran has already threatened use of unconventional warfare, terrorism, to get what they want. As far as I'm concerned, we don't have to use conventional warfare either to prevent them carrying out their threats. I hope not too. I can't help thinking that might be worse than letting Iran have the bomb in the first place. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 10:22:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: , Pakistan and Israel have not had a reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian government tries to pin that on Pakistan. Er, Pakistan was the only country that recognized the Taliban and the Pakistani have certainly been high on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism. I think there were some others that recognized the Taliban. As far as I recall, the only folk that recognized the Taliban were teh Pakistanis. Wasn't that one of the reasons for the Dubai port deal falling through, that they recognized the Taliban? ??? Pakistan is a hot bed of terrorism mainly because of their tribal areas, not because their government supports it. er! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
Encouraging children to commit suicide for some relgious or nationalistic cause, has to be considered insane and demonic. I can't think of too many historical instances of this kind of policy. It goes against the basis nature of life, in all ways. In all of the past instances, where this tactic was used, it seems the perpertrators always lost; whether it was the Japanese at the end of WWII; or the insane suicidal Nazi tactics during the same period. Does anyone know of an instance, where this demonic tactic of suicide has ever achieved anything, other then total defeat? Seems to me, if you have a group consciousness that's glorifying and craving death, then they will attract to them the death they so seek. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/18/06 3:02:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Afghanistan springs to mind, The USSR invaded to prop up the govt, a sympathetic gas supplier. The resulting ten year hell left the country in a pitiful state controlld by warlords and eventually the taliban. The mujahideen were largely trained and organised by the west. ex-cia operative Zbigniew Brzeziski claimed that the US destabilisd the country in the first place! hoping to trick the USSR into a vietnam style conflict.Saddam Hussien is another madman helped into power. And supported throughout his "convenient"war with Iran.Add the unconditional support of Israel at the expense of the palestinians, I think there is enough for some to be pissed off about I doubt if you will find any Arab nation that objected to our involvement in helping the Mujahadeen in ousting the Soviets. Saddam Hussein did not come to power by the hands of the US. And the US only gave Saddam enough military intelligence, via Satelliteto let him know of Iranian troop movements so the status quo could be maintained. Israel is our ally who we will defend to the end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off about American foreign policy. However the United States has bent over backwards trying to reach an agreement to establish a Palestinian homeland even to the tune of billions of dollars in aid to Palestinian people. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/18/06 11:48:40 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Encouraging children to commit suicide for some relgious or nationalistic cause, has to be considered insane and demonic.I can't think of too many historical instances of this kind of policy.It goes against the basis nature of life, in all ways.In all of the past instances, where this tactic was used, it seems the perpertrators always lost; whether it was the Japanese at the end of WWII; or the insane suicidal Nazi tactics during the same period.Does anyone know of an instance, where this demonic tactic of suicide has ever achieved anything, other then total defeat?Seems to me, if you have a group consciousness that's glorifying and craving death, then they will attract to them the death they so seek. It's not some mystical karmic thing. It's a last ditch sign of desperation. They dead but they just wont lie down.( not intended to be taken as some kind of Nosferatu thing). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/18/06 3:02:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Afghanistan springs to mind, The USSR invaded to prop up the govt, a sympathetic gas supplier. The resulting ten year hell left the country in a pitiful state controlld by warlords and eventually the taliban. The mujahideen were largely trained and organised by the west. ex-cia operative Zbigniew Brzeziski claimed that the US destabilisd the country in the first place! hoping to trick the USSR into a vietnam style conflict. Saddam Hussien is another madman helped into power. And supported throughout his convenient war with Iran. Add the unconditional support of Israel at the expense of the palestinians, I think there is enough for some to be pissed off about I doubt if you will find any Arab nation that objected to our involvement in helping the Mujahadeen in ousting the Soviets. Saddam Hussein did not come to power by the hands of the US. And the US only gave Saddam enough military intelligence, via Satellite to let him know of Iranian troop movements so the status quo could be maintained. Israel is our ally who we will defend to the end which is what really pisses middle eastern countries off about American foreign policy. However the United States has bent over backwards trying to reach an agreement to establish a Palestinian homeland even to the tune of billions of dollars in aid to Palestinian people. As compared to how much aid to the Israeli people? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:15:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems obvious to me that the reason Iran feels the need for insurance is to deter Israel and the U.S. from attacking *them*. Or, absolute worst case, to do a preemptive strike. That's what all the annihilation talk is about, to discourage us from messing with Iran. Nobody ever talked about messing with Iran until they became hell bent on building nuclear bombs. Their insurance has become their provocation towards Israel and the west. If all they ever really wanted was cheap nuclear energy for electricity everything could have been worked out. But it is obvious that is not all they wanted, they wanted the ability to enrich uranium so they could make weapons. And nobody in their right minds trusts the number 1 terrorist supporting country in the world with nukes. Er, the neocon agenda for 10 years has been Iraq followed by Iran or Syria followed by the other. Where you been? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:24:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, suitcase bombs are a tad more difficult to build than Little Boys... Er , but is there a reason why they couldn't? Er, since suitcase bombs are the end-result of decades of nuclear- bomb testing, yes, there is (obviously). Er, so the Iranians are starting from scratch? They don't have the benefit of any knowledge or technology that was developed before? So, I guess the Iranians must be decades away from developing a suit case nuke since they are doing all this on their own. Let's hope some soviet nuclear scientist didn't sell them the plans to build one. Or they, the Iranians are too stupid to figure it out. Hope is nice. Building a nuclear weapon means testing it, number one. Number two, the PLANS to build a suitcase bomb only work if you have the infrastructure in place to use those plans. Suitcase bombs are a heck of a lot more sophisticated than a Little Boy, and the Iranians aren't ready for building a Little Boy and won't be for at least 2-3 years according to the worst-case estimates. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:26:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, to a certain extent, the mere existence of Israel makes Moslem countries feel insecure for many, many reasons. Tell us why any Muslim country has to fear Israel. I didn't say they had legitimate reason to fear them, but it is obvious from the rhetoric that virtually all of them feel insecure/resentful about Israel. Part of that is no doubt propoganda to keep the peasants focused on an outside threat, and part of that may be inbred fear of outsiders on the part of the Arab and/or Moslem culture in the Middle East. Other factors no doubt play their part, but to suggest that the Moslem COuntries should just grow up or whatever you're suggesting is turning a blind eye to recent history. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 9:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the phrase axis of evil ring a bell? Was that a regime change policy? North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, maybe some others? I guess the Taliban as well (LOL). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 20:40:45 - --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 12:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And there are no suitcase nukes. This is the second time you say this. I thought nobody noticed the first time! How do you know? Originally I saw a documentary on TV debunking the story as a cold war myth, apparently the portable nukes the soviets had, were not all that portable and definately all accounted for when dismantled. Tere are plenty of sites on the net with the full story. Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and now have have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourself oversee their physical destruction? I can neither confirm or deny this rumour. I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclear material may have escaped the former Soviet Union. When I referred to suit case nukes I wasn't referring to Soviet bombs. It seems to me that if Iran can develop it's own Nuclear bombs and under water missiles that travel over 200 miles an hour and are stealth like, is there some reason over the next few years they couldn't make their own suit case size nuclear bombs, perfect for handing off to terrorists to plant in the cities of their choices? The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. So, nothing to worry about yet, unless you happen to live in the middle east of course as Iran will be bombed/invaded before much longer. I wonder what would have worse consequences, Iran having the bomb or another American invasion Once the cat is out of the bag, it's out! The cat was out of it's bag 60 years ago, I've always thought it only a matter of time before some nutter gets hold of one To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? According to reuters there are only 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard. And there are no suitcase nukes. Yes Richard, and many are saying, why shouldn't Iran have nukes. One day they just might and why couldn't they develop suit case size nuclear bombs and hand them over to any number of these 200 or by then 40,000 recruits?We stand by and do nothing other than protest to the UN or even congratulate them on their advances in technology. Funny how the leaders of Iran are not held responsible for their rhetoric or their actions while leaders receiving the threats are held responsible for taking those threats seriously. I don't think any country should have them but it's a bit late for that. The nature of arms races is such that once Israel armed itself everyone in the middle east will. We can only hope that when it finally gets it's hands on something really dangerous, Iran will understand the concept of mutually assured destruction, not a great way to live but seeing as Israel has such obvious expansionist ambitions it's either that or another US invasion. I would guess though, that the people of Iran have had enough of western meddling in their affairs. They don't call us the great satan for nothing you know. For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't want to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN because they were getting cheap oil too. You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as Karma I would say we are due! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
Hi Richard, Comment Below... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 15:55:52 EDT In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? According to reuters there are only 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard. And there are no suitcase nukes. Yes Richard, and many are saying, why shouldn't Iran have nukes. One day they just might and why couldn't they develop suit case size nuclear bombs and hand them over to any number of these 200 or by then 40,000 recruits?We stand by and do nothing other than protest to the UN or even congratulate them on their advances in technology. Funny how the leaders of Iran are not held responsible for their rhetoric or their actions while leaders receiving the threats are held responsible for taking those threats seriously. I don't think any country should have them but it's a bit late for that. The nature of arms races is such that once Israel armed itself everyone in the middle east will. We can only hope that when it finally gets it's hands on something really dangerous, Iran will understand the concept of mutually assured destruction I doubt if Mutually Assured Destruction would stop Iran from using nukes or any other weapons. Mutually assured destruction is the aim of suicide bombers, and I get the idea the same mentality pervades some middle eastern cultures/goverments/nations. In particular president Ahmadinejad, who (some fear) sees international turmoil as heralding the return of the twelfth imam, which he believes would bring about peace and justice by establishing islam throughout the world. The greater the turmoil or more destructive the war, the more likely is the return of the imam. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelfth_imam#Reappearance http://www.newstatesman.com/200512050014 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/15/AR2005121501428.html not a great way to live but seeing as Israel has such obvious expansionist ambitions it's either that or another US invasion. Israeli expansionist ambitions? Can you elaborate? I would guess though, that the people of Iran have had enough of western meddling in their affairs. They don't call us the great satan for nothing you know. For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't want to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN because they were getting cheap oil too. You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as Karma I would say we are due! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: 40,000 suicide bombers, Gimbel, and you couldn't find anything to rhyme with it? It was a subject far too somber. Yes, not a good sign; A scare tactic, but nonetheless, sobering. But I think knowing this type of thinking is out there; Can at least begin to diminish it's power; By bringing consciousness to the insanity of the ego: In and of itelf can help dissolve the negativity; The higher and more potent the consciousness; The greater the power to disolve the insanity, of the ego. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
authfriend wrote: On its face, the likelihood that Iran could actually recruit and train 40,000 people who would actually then go out and *be* suicide bombers seems unlikely, to say the least. (Of course, even a few who were successful could cause a great deal of chaos.) Very impressive. The diplomatic efforts made until now have been exhausted, he said, and it is now time for a diplomatic process with sharp teeth. How does that work? If diplomatic efforts have been exhuasted, how can diplomatic efforts have any teeth? Another question: How many suicide bombers did Iran field during the Iran-Iraq war? According to what I've read, it was in the millions. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anon_couscous_ff no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk shempmcgurk@ wrote: 40,000 suicide bombers, Gimbel, and you couldn't find anything to rhyme with it? It was a subject far too somber. Yes, not a good sign; A scare tactic, but nonetheless, sobering. But I think knowing this type of thinking is out there; Can at least begin to diminish it's power; By bringing consciousness to the insanity of the ego: In and of itelf can help dissolve the negativity; The higher and more potent the consciousness; The greater the power to disolve the insanity, of the ego. Certainly Nimble Gimbel You could have Found a way To blame Bush and Company For the 40,000 Suicide bombers and make it rhyme To boot Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonyff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I doubt if Mutually Assured Destruction would stop Iran from using nukes or any other weapons. Mutually assured destruction is the aim of suicide bombers, and I get the idea the same mentality pervades some middle eastern cultures/goverments/nations. Where did you get that idea? Suicide bombers aren't after mutually assured destruction; they're making a sacrifice for a larger cause. Mutually assured destruction on a macro scale would eliminate any larger cause for both sides. In particular president Ahmadinejad, who (some fear) sees international turmoil as heralding the return of the twelfth imam, which he believes would bring about peace and justice by establishing islam throughout the world. The greater the turmoil or more destructive the war, the more likely is the return of the imam. Turmoil and the nuclear destruction of an Islamic nation would be two different things in this view, methinks. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@ wrote: Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Gone to weapons of mass destruction as reported by US and British media and intelligence. When will they ever learn? Heard an excellent suggestion on Meet the Press yesterday, though I don't recall the commentator. He was saying how this bellicose rhetoric was coming from the leadership of Iran, in order to shore up their internal support; that the chest beating was being done for political purposes inside Iran. And aside from the words, Iran has basically done nothing. The commentator continued that if Iran wanted to start a war with Israel or the US, this could be done very easily. He suggested that it was incumbent on the US, that rather than continuing to inflame the situation, that they treat Iran much as an adult would treat a young child hurling insults. That we should take a responsible direction. By the way, this inflamatory type of speech towards the US and Israel has been occuring for several decades from such countries as Syria, Egypt, Libya and others. It is just that those controlling Bush want to try to further secure the oil resources of the Middle East by force, and so are deciding to take this rhetoric from Iran seriously, in order to provoke war. snip +++ That does look like the situation. Do we have any way to bring those controlers under democratic control or, are we going down the drain? N. no crystal ball here, but if similar past events are any indication, it will turn out OK. Thanks for meditating, everyone! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 10:24:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was that a regime change policy?Of course it was."States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic. "We will work closely with our coalition to deny terrorists and their state sponsors the materials, technology, and expertise to make and deliver weapons of mass destruction. We will develop and deploy effective missile defenses to protect America and our allies from sudden attack. (Applause.) And all nations should know: America will do what is necessary to ensure our nation's security. "We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons."--George Bush, State of the Union address, 1/29/02"It's very definitely a clear statement of the president's attitude and it leans -- it seems to me -- toward a policy of telling these governments that if they do not get out of business of terror and developing weapons of mass destruction, they stand at risk of their regimes being deposed forcefully by the United States."--James Woolsey, former CIA director, on PBS "Newshour" 1/30/02 In 1998 the president of the United States and the Congress set a national policy of regime change for Iraq, not any other country. Iraq is and was a totally different situation than Iran. Nobody has threatened Iran with regime change as a policy but they were put on notice that spreading terrorism and WMD's would not be tolerated. So what does Iran do? They start developing their own WMD's , nukes. Like the child that is told not to play in the street for it's own safety, and what does it do, but goes out onto the freeway. And now Iran has the audacity to threaten the United States and other western nations with unconventional warfare tactics, terrorism, If they are prevented forcibly fromimplementing their scheme. Iran has never needed a nuclear weapon for protection. The Mullahs of Iran should have taken a lesson from Kaddhaffi and left well enough alone. But I believe they are counting on political resistance from Democrats to prevent Bush from using any force to stop them from developing their goal. Again the above paragraphs tie the dangers of State sponsored terrorism and WMD's, something Iran was not guilty of. Now that they are intent on having both, state sponsored terrorism and WMD's, theyput themselves at risk for regime change.. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/17/06 1:34:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Building a nuclear weapon means testing it, number one. Number two, the PLANS to build a suitcase bomb only work if you have the infrastructure in place to use those plans. Suitcase bombs are a heck of a lot more sophisticated than a Little Boy, and the Iranians aren't ready for building a Little Boy and won't be for at least 2-3 years according to the worst-case estimates. So you want to wait till they have them until you deal with them? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 1:29:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, the neocon agenda for 10 years has been Iraq followed by Iran or Syria followed by the other. Where you been? Er, the agenda has been a regime change in Iraq followed by democracy and hopefully a regime change from within in Iran. The Iranian people don't like their government and really would like better relations with the west. And hopefully with enough discontent internally they would change their own regime. There is even hope for Syria further down the road without violence. Er! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 1:36:10 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, to a certain extent, the mere existence of Israel makes Moslem countries feel insecure for many, many reasons.Tell us why any Muslim country has to fear Israel.I didn't say they had "legitimate" reason to fear them, but it is obvious from the rhetoric that virtually all of them feel insecure/resentful about Israel. Part of that is no doubt propoganda to keep the peasants focused on an outside threat, and part of that may be inbred fear of outsiders on the part of the Arab and/or Moslem culture in the Middle East. Other factors no doubt play their part, but to suggest that the Moslem COuntries should just grow up or whatever you're suggesting is turning a blind eye to recent history. It certainly didn't hurt Egypt or Jordan. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. I don't know where you are getting this ten year schedule from but there are far more estimates giving far fewer years. On the average I have been hearing 2 to 3 years. And whether they can develop a suit case size nuke or not there are ways of smuggling a nuke into just about any country. The last thing you want to do is wait till they have one or even worse more. Iran has already threatened use of unconventional warfare, terrorism, to get what they want. As far as I'm concerned, we don't have to use conventional warfare either to prevent them carrying out their threats. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 2:53:32 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: For nearly a hundred years we have seen the middle east as little more than a filling station and knocked off any government that didn't want to play by our rules. And in those days no-one even complained to the UN because they were getting cheap oil too.You can't keep treating people like this, If there is such a thing as Karma I would say we are due! Up until 911 the onlyMiddle eastern country the US has any history of meddling in was Iran it's self. The rest were governments set up by their own people or the British. MaybeI'm wrong. Can anybody think of any governments that we or our CIA toppled, other than the government in Iran that we helped place the Shaw in power of? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 12:54:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another question: How many suicide bombers did Iran field during the Iran-Iraq war? According to what I've read, it was in the millions. Yes and horrific stories of thousands of children being used to clear mine fields. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. I don't know where you are getting this ten year schedule from but there are far more estimates giving far fewer years. On the average I have been hearing 2 to 3 years. And whether they can develop a suit case size nuke or not there are ways of smuggling a nuke into just about any country. This is very similar to the 'story' we had going about the Soviet Union, only to find out when they collapsed that they were far more interested in protecting themselves than acting as the aggressors in a conflict, a role the US has assumed far more often than any other country since World War II. Figure it out: India, Pakistan and Israel have nuclear weapons. The US occupies Iraq. Gee, you think Iran is pretty well terrified, and trying to do what they can to protect themselves? Nah, a bunch of irrational 'terrorists', with no commonality in thinking or in human nature with the US or other 'civilized' countries. Dixon, have you ever met anyone from Iran? The last thing you want to do is wait till they have one or even worse more. Iran has already threatened use of unconventional warfare, terrorism, to get what they want. As far as I'm concerned, we don't have to use conventional warfare either to prevent them carrying out their threats. Yeah, nuke 'em, but pa-leeze, all you big talkers get out on the front lines if you do... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 2:30:48 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The best guess is that now Iran has enriched uranium it will be ten years before they have the bomb. Suitcase nukes would require a far higher level of technology than that required for a ballistic missile sized device. I don't know where you are getting this ten year schedule from but there are far more estimates giving far fewer years. On the average I have been hearing 2 to 3 years. And whether they can develop a suit case size nuke or not there are ways of smuggling a nuke into just about any country. The last thing you want to do is wait till they have one or even worse more. Iran has already threatened use of unconventional warfare, terrorism, to get what they want. As far as I'm concerned, we don't have to use conventional warfare either to prevent them carrying out their threats. How is a nuclear strike on Iran going to prevent them from getting, or convince them not to get, a smuggled nuke? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 12:54:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Another question: How many suicide bombers did Iran field during the Iran-Iraq war? According to what I've read, it was in the millions. Yes and horrific stories of thousands of children being used to clear mine fields. Yes, it is easier to just bomb the kids and kill 'em like we do. Collateral damage, right? Several thousand feet up, denial is easy. So messy, up close and 'horrific'. Give us a break- you are suffering from John Wayne-itis. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 10:24:59 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was that a regime change policy? Of course it was. States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic. We will work closely with our coalition to deny terrorists and their state sponsors the materials, technology, and expertise to make and deliver weapons of mass destruction. We will develop and deploy effective missile defenses to protect America and our allies from sudden attack. (Applause.) And all nations should know: America will do what is necessary to ensure our nation's security. We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons. --George Bush, State of the Union address, 1/29/02 It's very definitely a clear statement of the president's attitude and it leans -- it seems to me -- toward a policy of telling these governments that if they do not get out of business of terror and developing weapons of mass destruction, they stand at risk of their regimes being deposed forcefully by the United States. --James Woolsey, former CIA director, on PBS Newshour 1/30/02 In 1998 the president of the United States and the Congress set a national policy of regime change for Iraq, not any other country. Oh, please. Iraq is and was a totally different situation than Iran. Nobody has threatened Iran with regime change as a policy but they were put on notice that spreading terrorism and WMD's would not be tolerated. Or there would be regime change. So what does Iran do? They start developing their own WMD's , nukes. Like the child that is told not to play in the street for it's own safety, and what does it do, but goes out onto the freeway. Or the kid whose molester threatens him with death if he tells somebody, and he goes and tells anyway. And now Iran has the audacity to threaten the United States and other western nations with unconventional warfare tactics, terrorism, If they are prevented forcibly from implementing their scheme. Iran has never needed a nuclear weapon for protection. The Mullahs of Iran should have taken a lesson from Kaddhaffi and left well enough alone. But I believe they are counting on political resistance from Democrats to prevent Bush from using any force to stop them from developing their goal. It ain't just the Democrats, honey bunch. Again the above paragraphs tie the dangers of State sponsored terrorism and WMD's, something Iran was not guilty of. Now that they are intent on having both, state sponsored terrorism and WMD's, they put themselves at risk for regime change.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 1:29:54 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, the neocon agenda for 10 years has been Iraq followed by Iran or Syria followed by the other. Where you been? Er, the agenda has been a regime change in Iraq followed by democracy and hopefully a regime change from within in Iran. The Iranian people don't like their government and really would like better relations with the west. And hopefully with enough discontent internally they would change their own regime. And you really believe nuking Iran is going to turn the people *against* their government? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 1:34:51 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Building a nuclear weapon means testing it, number one. Number two, the PLANS to build a suitcase bomb only work if you have the infrastructure in place to use those plans. Suitcase bombs are a heck of a lot more sophisticated than a Little Boy, and the Iranians aren't ready for building a Little Boy and won't be for at least 2-3 years according to the worst-case estimates. So you want to wait till they have them until you deal with them? The point is, there's plenty of time for diplomacy and creative thinking. Unfortunately we have fantasists, not creative thinkers, in the administration these days. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/17/06 9:30:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Figure it out: India, Pakistan and Israel have nuclear weapons. The US occupies Iraq. Gee, you think Iran is pretty well terrified, and trying to do what they can to protect themselves?Nah, a bunch of irrational 'terrorists', with no commonality in thinking or in human nature with the US or other 'civilized' countries. Dixon, have you ever met anyone from Iran? Yes, I've met people from Iran. What does that have to do with anything? It's not the general population of Iran that are the loonies and supporting the sponsorship of terrorism. India , Pakistan and Israel have not had a reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian government tries to pin that on Pakistan. As far as Iran fearing our presence in Iraq I think that is laughable. One minute the democrats complain we don't have enough troops there to do the job and the next they say we have too many and need to withdraw them immediately. The Iranian leaders are no fools, they watch American politics and know they are perfectly safe from invasion. What Iran fears more than anything is a successful democracy as a neighbor. Especially on both borders. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:30:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Figure it out: India, Pakistan and Israel have nuclear weapons. The US occupies Iraq. Gee, you think Iran is pretty well terrified, and trying to do what they can to protect themselves? Nah, a bunch of irrational 'terrorists', with no commonality in thinking or in human nature with the US or other 'civilized' countries. Dixon, have you ever met anyone from Iran? Yes, I've met people from Iran. What does that have to do with anything? It's not the general population of Iran that are the loonies and supporting the sponsorship of terrorism. India , Pakistan and Israel have not had a reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian government tries to pin that on Pakistan. Er, Pakistan was the only country that recognized the Taliban and the Pakistani have certainly been high on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism. As far as Iran fearing our presence in Iraq I think that is laughable. One minute the democrats complain we don't have enough troops there to do the job and the next they say we have too many and need to withdraw them immediately. The Iranian leaders are no fools, they watch American politics and know they are perfectly safe from invasion. What Iran fears more than anything is a successful democracy as a neighbor. Especially on both borders. Do you think that Iran isn't a Democracy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:30:26 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Figure it out: India, Pakistan and Israel have nuclear weapons. The US occupies Iraq. Gee, you think Iran is pretty well terrified, and trying to do what they can to protect themselves? Nah, a bunch of irrational 'terrorists', with no commonality in thinking or in human nature with the US or other 'civilized' countries. Dixon, have you ever met anyone from Iran? Yes, I've met people from Iran. What does that have to do with anything? It's not the general population of Iran that are the loonies and supporting the sponsorship of terrorism. Maybe it was not well known before, but it is fairly common knowledge that the US has actively supported terrorist organizations, created fertile conditions for the growth of terrorist organizations, and supported governments that have sponsored terrorism. And we continue to. The white horse we rode in on is dead. What we need to be doing now responsibly and in a grounded, hard headed way, looking out for our own interests, is acting within the family of nations. Cooperatively and diplomatically. It is easy to frame the problems we face as black and white, 'we are always right and they are always wrong' issues. But easy doesn't always equal successful, unfortunately. Acting as the superpower renegade will lead only to our demise. Trying to solve our problems with brute force will only bring us more karma of violence. And suffering for the US from every side. India , Pakistan and Israel have not had a reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian government tries to pin that on Pakistan. As far as Iran fearing our presence in Iraq I think that is laughable. One minute the democrats complain we don't have enough troops there to do the job and the next they say we have too many and need to withdraw them immediately. The Iranian leaders are no fools, they watch American politics and know they are perfectly safe from invasion. What Iran fears more than anything is a successful democracy as a neighbor. Especially on both borders. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/17/06 9:38:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is a nuclear strike on Iran going to prevent themfrom getting, or convince them not to get, a smugglednuke? It may not need to be a nuclear strike. But I would imagine it would work much like the Israeli strike against the nuclear facility in Iraq. Shut the place down. the only reason anybody has ever mentioned using nukes is that it might be necessary to use a more powerful bunker buster to insure the bunkers are destroyed. Iran has bragged about their super deep bunkers that they believe can withstand a conventional attack. Fortunately, the Iranian leaders chose to build their nuclear facilities away from heavily populated areas, almost as if they might anticipate the possibility of a strike. As for acquiring one from another source? Funny thing is, nucleardetonations leave a "finger print" so to speak. They can be traced back to the reactor the material came from. Anybody passing off a bomb to Iran to use else where would be known immediately. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, it is easier to just bomb the kids and kill 'em like we do. Collateral damage, right? Several thousand feet up, denial is easy.So messy, up close and 'horrific'. Give us a break- you are suffering from John Wayne-itis. No, that was Clinton's tactic in Serbia. Bomb from thirty thousand feet up and hope you hit a military target. Unfortunately most targets were either cardboard tanks or civilians. As for the United States military I don't believe any ever intentionally target civilians, children. I personally believe they put themselves at much greater risk to avoid hitting civilians but when their enemy hides among civilians dressed in civilian clothes accidents happen.Maybe you can name a major military action in which civilians were not killed. Or maybe you should compare how many have been killed in Europe and Asia in WW2.Any civilian death in Iraq or Afghanistan is a far cry from Iran lining thousands of children up to walk across a mine field in front of their soldiers. If you can't see the difference, I'm sorry. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:38:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How is a nuclear strike on Iran going to prevent them from getting, or convince them not to get, a smuggled nuke? It may not need to be a nuclear strike. But I would imagine it would work much like the Israeli strike against the nuclear facility in Iraq. Shut the place down. the only reason anybody has ever mentioned using nukes is that it might be necessary to use a more powerful bunker buster to insure the bunkers are destroyed. Iran has bragged about their super deep bunkers that they believe can withstand a conventional attack. Fortunately, the Iranian leaders chose to build their nuclear facilities away from heavily populated areas, almost as if they might anticipate the possibility of a strike. As for acquiring one from another source? Funny thing is, nuclear detonations leave a finger print so to speak. They can be traced back to the reactor the material came from. Anybody passing off a bomb to Iran to use else where would be known immediately. Let me ask it another way: How is a nuclear strike on Iran going to prevent them from getting, or convince them not to get, a smuggled nuke? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what does Iran do? They start developing their own WMD's , nukes. Like the child that is told not to play in the street for it's own safety, and what does it do, but goes out onto the freeway.Or the kid whose molester threatens him with deathif he tells somebody, and he goes and tells anyway. The United States has been molesting Iran? Since when? We have had a pretty much hands off policy with Iran since we broke relations with them. We have been completely aware of their state sponsorship of terrorism yet we have left them alone. However they have been warned not to mix their terrorism with WMD's because THAT will be a reason for regime change. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I believe they are counting on political resistance from Democrats to prevent Bush from using any force to stop them from developing their goal.It ain't just the Democrats, honey bunch. Sorry, I didn't mean to leave out the socialists as well. I usually consider them the same. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iraq is and was a totally different situation than Iran. Nobody has threatened Iran with regime change as a policy but they were put on notice that spreading terrorism and WMD's would not be tolerated.Or there would be regime change. Only if they mixed the pursuit of WMD's and state sponsored terrorism. Can you see the difference? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 9:42:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, the agenda has been a regime change in Iraq followed by democracy and hopefully a regime change from within in Iran. The Iranian people don't like their government and really would like better relations with the west. And hopefully with enough discontent internally they would change their own regime.And you really believe nuking Iran is going to turnthe people *against* their government? that's doubtful. But it might be an only and last option. If it is the only way to shut their operation down and prevent them from building their own then so be it. I take it you don't mind if they have their own nuclear arsenal, do you? I mean everybody else has them, why shouldn't they? Is that where you're coming from? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So what does Iran do? They start developing their own WMD's , nukes. Like the child that is told not to play in the street for it's own safety, and what does it do, but goes out onto the freeway. Or the kid whose molester threatens him with death if he tells somebody, and he goes and tells anyway. The United States has been molesting Iran? Iran thinks so. What you people don't seem to get is that you *have to take Iran's perspective into account*. That doesn't mean accepting it as *valid*, but rather realizing that it plays a major role in what actually happens. If it sees itself as a molested child doing whatever it can to protect itself, you have to *recognize* that and do something to make it feel *safe*, instead of doing exactly what it fears most. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But I believe they are counting on political resistance from Democrats to prevent Bush from using any force to stop them from developing their goal. It ain't just the Democrats, honey bunch. Sorry, I didn't mean to leave out the socialists as well. I usually consider them the same. Not talking about just the United States here. Jeez, talk about tunnel vision! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:41:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iraq is and was a totally different situation than Iran. Nobody has threatened Iran with regime change as a policy but they were put on notice that spreading terrorism and WMD's would not be tolerated. Or there would be regime change. Only if they mixed the pursuit of WMD's and state sponsored terrorism. Can you see the difference? Difference from *what*? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 9:42:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, the agenda has been a regime change in Iraq followed by democracy and hopefully a regime change from within in Iran. The Iranian people don't like their government and really would like better relations with the west. And hopefully with enough discontent internally they would change their own regime. And you really believe nuking Iran is going to turn the people *against* their government? that's doubtful. But it might be an only and last option. It isn't an option if there's no chance of its working. If it is the only way to shut their operation down and prevent them from building their own then so be it. And then you've got your 40,000 maddened suicide bombers, or more, some of them with suitcase nukes, as you and others keep pointing out. I take it you don't mind if they have their own nuclear arsenal, do you? I mean everybody else has them, why shouldn't they? Is that where you're coming from? That's too stupid to respond to. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/17/06 9:45:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So you want to wait till they have them until you deal with them?The point is, there's plenty of time for diplomacyand creative thinking.Unfortunately we have fantasists, not creative thinkers,in the administration these days. The point is we don't have as much time as we used to. We, that includes Europe,have been trying to deal and negotiate with Iran for years now concerning this matter. It's not just the United States that has tried working with Iran. As a matter of fact the Administration has at times taken a back seat to allow other European nations including Russia to work out a deal for them to have nuclear energy without the riskof them developing a nuclear arsenal. So if there is a lack of creativity, it's not just on the part of the United States. It's everybody's problem. What has become apparent is that Iran has not negotiated for nuclear energy in good faith but really does want an arsenal and they are stalling on any negotiations until they have it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 10:22:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: , Pakistan and Israel have not had a reputation of exporting terrorism although sometimes the Indian government tries to pin that on Pakistan.Er, Pakistan was the only country that recognized the Taliban and the Pakistani have certainly been high on the list of countries sponsoring terrorism. I think there were some others that recognized the Taliban. Wasn't that one of the reasons for the Dubai port deal falling through, that they recognized the Taliban? Pakistan is a hot bed of terrorism mainly because of their tribal areas, not because their government supports it. er! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 10:22:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think that Iran isn't a Democracy? I believe Iran is considered a theocracy. The mullahs have first say in anything. They allow the election of a parliament, but they maintain control. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 10:37:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The white horse we rode in on is dead. What we need to be doing now responsibly and in a grounded, hard headed way, looking out for our own interests, is acting within the family of nations. Cooperatively and diplomatically. It is easy to frame the problems we face as black and white, 'we are always right and they are always wrong' issues. But easy doesn't always equal successful, unfortunately. I don't know what you think we have been doing for so many years now with Iran. It has not just been the concern of the United States or Israel that Iran not have a nuclear arsenal, it has been all of Europe as well. They have been the ones pushing for negotiations and doing the negotiating, Bush has set back and let them talk till they are blue in the face and when Europeans ask us to get more involved we do at their request. It's not just the United States that has talked tuff with Iran if you will recall Chirac made a statement that appeared on the front page of just about every world wide news paper that France would not hesitate to retaliate with nukes if any terrorist group set one off in France. As I recall that was a direct threat to Iran. I don't get for one minute where anybody on this list thinks anybody is trying to rush in and bomb the hell out of Iran. However there will come a point at which we either let Iran have a nuclear arsenal or we stop it by force. Unless Iran has a major awakening before. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/17/06 10:22:30 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think that Iran isn't a Democracy? I believe Iran is considered a theocracy. The mullahs have first say in anything. They allow the election of a parliament, but they maintain control. The CIA counts it as an Islamic Republic. Their government is elected democratically but with certain controls imposed on it from the clergy. They even allow non-Moslems to hold elected office in the parliament, although not more than 5%. However, that 5% is enough to have influence in a close vote. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/17/06 11:28:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The United States has been molesting Iran?Iran thinks so.What you people don't seem to get is that you *haveto take Iran's perspective into account*. That doesn'tmean accepting it as *valid*, but rather realizing thatit plays a major role in what actually happens.If it sees itself as a molested child doing whatever itcan to protect itself, you have to *recognize* that anddo something to make it feel *safe*, instead of doingexactly what it fears most. I understand your point but disagree with it. I don't think Iran feels molested by the US. I think they still feel emboldened by the humiliation they inflictedwith the hostage situation. Quite frankly I think Iran is seeking a nuclear arsenal in which they will useto destroy Israel. That doesn't mean they would actually have to attack Israel with their arsenal either. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 11:30:08 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It ain't just the Democrats, honey bunch. Sorry, I didn't mean to leave out the socialists as well. I usually consider them the same.Not talking about just the United States here.Jeez, talk about tunnel vision! I knew exactly what you meant. Socialism is a world wide movement To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/17/06 11:30:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Difference from *what*? Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism without nukes and Iran as a state sponsor of terrorism with nukes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Gone to weapons of mass destruction as reported by US and British media and intelligence. When will they ever learn? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apr. 16, 2006 2:39 | Updated Apr. 16, 2006 11:02 Report: Iran has readied suicide 'army' By JPOST STAFF, YAAKOV KATZ AND HERB KEINON Talkbacks for this article: 21 Iran has readied an army of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday morning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/16/06 9:13:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iran has readied an "army" of 40,000 suicide bombers to striketargets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to apossible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Timesreported Sunday morning. And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Maharishi university of management Maharishi mahesh yogi Ramana maharshi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Gone to weapons of mass destruction as reported by US and British media and intelligence. When will they ever learn? Heard an excellent suggestion on Meet the Press yesterday, though I don't recall the commentator. He was saying how this bellicose rhetoric was coming from the leadership of Iran, in order to shore up their internal support; that the chest beating was being done for political purposes inside Iran. And aside from the words, Iran has basically done nothing. The commentator continued that if Iran wanted to start a war with Israel or the US, this could be done very easily. He suggested that it was incumbent on the US, that rather than continuing to inflame the situation, that they treat Iran much as an adult would treat a young child hurling insults. That we should take a responsible direction. By the way, this inflamatory type of speech towards the US and Israel has been occuring for several decades from such countries as Syria, Egypt, Libya and others. It is just that those controlling Bush want to try to further secure the oil resources of the Middle East by force, and so are deciding to take this rhetoric from Iran seriously, in order to provoke war. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel babajii_99@ wrote: Apr. 16, 2006 2:39 | Updated Apr. 16, 2006 11:02 Report: Iran has readied suicide 'army' By JPOST STAFF, YAAKOV KATZ AND HERB KEINON Talkbacks for this article: 21 Iran has readied an army of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday morning. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 9:13:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iran has readied an army of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday morning. And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? We should stop being led around by the nose, manipulated by Bush and his cronies. It will only lead to destruction, and further hardship world-wide. If Bush and Co can't act like responsible adults, the rest of us should. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, anonybliss_ff no_reply@ wrote: Where have all the flowers gone, long time passing? Gone to weapons of mass destruction as reported by US and British media and intelligence. When will they ever learn? Heard an excellent suggestion on Meet the Press yesterday, though I don't recall the commentator. He was saying how this bellicose rhetoric was coming from the leadership of Iran, in order to shore up their internal support; that the chest beating was being done for political purposes inside Iran. And aside from the words, Iran has basically done nothing. The commentator continued that if Iran wanted to start a war with Israel or the US, this could be done very easily. He suggested that it was incumbent on the US, that rather than continuing to inflame the situation, that they treat Iran much as an adult would treat a young child hurling insults. That we should take a responsible direction. By the way, this inflamatory type of speech towards the US and Israel has been occuring for several decades from such countries as Syria, Egypt, Libya and others. It is just that those controlling Bush want to try to further secure the oil resources of the Middle East by force, and so are deciding to take this rhetoric from Iran seriously, in order to provoke war. snip +++ That does look like the situation. Do we have any way to bring those controlers under democratic control or, are we going down the drain? N. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 9:13:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iran has readied an army of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday morning. And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? We should stop being led around by the nose, manipulated by Bush and his cronies. It will only lead to destruction, and further hardship world-wide. If Bush and Co can't act like responsible adults, the rest of us should. +++ It looks like the problem is a few layers of the onion deeper than king george and co. With the election process being proved unreliable, getting to the deeper levels looks like a hard sell. N. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert Gimbel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apr. 16, 2006 2:39 | Updated Apr. 16, 2006 11:02 Report: Iran has readied suicide 'army' By JPOST STAFF, YAAKOV KATZ AND HERB KEINON Talkbacks for this article: 21 Iran has readied an army of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday morning. Two senior officials from the Homeland Security Agency, who spoke on condition of anonymity, agreed with the prediction and warned that Iran could set a worldwide terror network into motion in the US and elsewhere. I checked this out on the Web. It's actually not a new story; the 40,000 figure was being tossed around last year. Iran has apparently been recruiting suicide bombers, but how many have actually been readied is another issue. From what I've been able to glean, the figure includes folks who have signed up on the Internet, for example. And of course even that is unverifiable. On its face, the likelihood that Iran could actually recruit and train 40,000 people who would actually then go out and *be* suicide bombers seems unlikely, to say the least. (Of course, even a few who were successful could cause a great deal of chaos.) They added that an attack on Iran would be much more dangerous to the US than was the strike on Iraq. The Sunday Times also procured a tape of Dr. Hassan Abasi, head of the Iranian Center for Strategic Studies. He warned that Iran was ready to strike sensitive American and British targets if its nuclear facilities were to be attacked. With projections that Iran could develop a nuclear bomb within the next two-and-a-half years, a high-ranking IDF officer from Military Intelligence told The Jerusalem Post over the weekend that the successful enrichment of uranium announced last week proved that diplomatic efforts to stop Teheran's race to the bomb had failed. The way it looks now, it is doubtful that the United Nations and the international efforts will succeed in stopping Iran, the high-ranking officer said. Iran spit in the world's face but the world hasn't done anything. On Friday Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad fired a series of verbal shots at Israel, saying it was a permanent threat to the Middle East that will soon be liberated, and questioning the validity of the Holocaust. Like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation, Ahmadinejad said at the opening of a three-day conference in support of the Palestinians attended by Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal and other Hamas members. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm, he said. Although Israel had no official response to Ahmadinejad, Shimon Peres said that the Iranian president's words were reminiscent of those of Saddam Hussein, and that his end will be similar. Peres issued a statement saying that Ahmadinejad represents Satan, and not God. History, he said, has denounced madmen and those who wave the sword, and all those who acted this way ended their careers accordingly. With that, Peres said that Israel needed to let the US and the international community lead the campaign to protect the world from the Iranian leader. In an Israel Radio interview, Peres said Saturday that Iran is a United Nations member state threatening another UN member state, and the international organization will not let this go unheeded. The Iranian president is uniting the entire world against him, he said. Israel is following his statements and actions closely, but does not wish to respond to them. Indeed, the Foreign Ministry had no response Saturday night to Ahmadinejad's comments. On Tuesday, Ahmadinejad announced that Iran had passed one of the major hurdles in its race to obtain nuclear power and had, for the first time, successfully enriched uranium. But while only a battery of 164 centrifuges was used to enrich the uranium to 3.5 percent, according to the IDF officer it was only a matter of time before Iran obtained technology allowing for the operation of thousands of centrifuges over a period of several months which could produce highly-enriched uranium at 90% - the amount needed for a nuclear bomb. The officer noted that Iran was in the process of developing nuclear arms in a separate program run parallel and alongside the Islamic republic's publicly-known and claimed-to-be civilian nuclear program. It is more probable that they have a second and secret plan [to develop nuclear arms] and they will copy the technology they are now developing in the open and use it in a secret location, the officer said. Iran, the officer predicted, would obtain independent research and development capabilities - sometimes referred to as the point of no return - in a matter of
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times' Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2006 11:18:29 EDT In a message dated 4/16/06 9:13:59 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iran has readied an army of 40,000 suicide bombers to strike targets all over the Western world and Israel as a response to a possible attack on their nuclear facilities, the British Sunday Times reported Sunday morning. And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suit case size nukes, then what? According to reuters there are only 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard. And there are no suitcase nukes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] And there are no suitcase nukes. This is the second time you say this. How do you know? Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and now have have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourself oversee their physical destruction? I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclear material may have escaped the former Soviet Union. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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In a message dated 4/16/06 11:05:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is just that those controlling Bush want to try to further secure the oil resources of the Middle East by force, and so are deciding to take this rhetoric from Iran seriously, in order to provoke war. Of course, it's all Bush's fault. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/16/06 11:54:04 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when Iran can send out 40,000 suicide bombers , some equipped with suitcase size nukes, then what?According to reuters there are "only" 200 suicide volunteers. The 40,000 refered to are new recruits to the revolutionary guard.And there are no suitcase nukes. Yes Richard, and many are saying," why shouldn't Iran have nukes". One day they just might and why couldn't they develop suit case size nuclear bombs and hand them over to any number of these 200 or by then 40,000 recruits?We stand by and do nothing other than protest to the UN or even congratulate them on their advances in technology. Funny how the leaders of Iran are not held responsible for their rhetoric or their actions while leaders receiving the threats are held responsible for taking those threats seriously. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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In a message dated 4/16/06 12:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And there are no suitcase nukes.This is the second time you say this. How do you know? Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and nowhave have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourselfoversee their physical destruction?I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclearmaterial may have escaped the former Soviet Union. When I referred to suit case nukes I wasn't referring to Soviet bombs. It seems to me that if Iran can develop it's own Nuclear bombs and under water missiles that travel over 200 miles an hour and are stealth like, is there some reason over the next few years they couldn't make their own suit case size nuclear bombs, perfect for handing off to terrorists to plant in the cities of their choices? Once the cat is out of the bag, it's out! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Richard Hughes richardhughes103@ wrote: [snip] And there are no suitcase nukes. This is the second time you say this. How do you know? Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and now have have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourself oversee their physical destruction? I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclear material may have escaped the former Soviet Union. Not to mention the missing stuff from the US inventories (just being an equal opportunity bitch here). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 12:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And there are no suitcase nukes. This is the second time you say this. How do you know? Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and now have have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourself oversee their physical destruction? I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclear material may have escaped the former Soviet Union. When I referred to suit case nukes I wasn't referring to Soviet bombs. It seems to me that if Iran can develop it's own Nuclear bombs and under water missiles that travel over 200 miles an hour and are stealth like, is there some reason over the next few years they couldn't make their own suit case size nuclear bombs, perfect for handing off to terrorists to plant in the cities of their choices? Once the cat is out of the bag, it's out! Er, suitcase bombs are a tad more difficult to build than Little Boys... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 12:18:12 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And there are no suitcase nukes. This is the second time you say this. How do you know? Were you in charge of the Soviet nuclear suit case commando and now have have them all physically near yourself and/or did you yourself oversee their physical destruction? I ask this without mentioning the innumerable other ways nuclear material may have escaped the former Soviet Union. When I referred to suit case nukes I wasn't referring to Soviet bombs. It seems to me that if Iran can develop it's own Nuclear bombs and under water missiles that travel over 200 miles an hour and are stealth like, is there some reason over the next few years they couldn't make their own suit case size nuclear bombs, perfect for handing off to terrorists to plant in the cities of their choices? Once the cat is out of the bag, it's out! My proposal was that before Iran resumed the rhetoric of annihilating Israel, they had already gotten their hand on a piece of nuclear insurance. As far as the shkval torpedoes concern they are reported to be sold by the russians (and be of the same make that made a US submarine commander in 2000 panic and sink the Kursk). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip My proposal was that before Iran resumed the rhetoric of annihilating Israel, they had already gotten their hand on a piece of nuclear insurance. And I ask again: If the U.S. and/or Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities out of existence, you believe that will stop Iran from using its nuclear insurance? Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip My proposal was that before Iran resumed the rhetoric of annihilating Israel, they had already gotten their hand on a piece of nuclear insurance. And I ask again: If the U.S. and/or Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities out of existence, you believe that will stop Iran from using its nuclear insurance? Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip My proposal was that before Iran resumed the rhetoric of annihilating Israel, they had already gotten their hand on a piece of nuclear insurance. And I ask again: If the U.S. and/or Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities out of existence, you believe that will stop Iran from using its nuclear insurance? Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go.. Still can't answer, huh? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 3:33:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, suitcase bombs are a tad more difficult to build than "Little Boys"... Er , but is there a reason why they couldn't? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 3:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such "nuclear insurance," our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go..Still can't answer, huh? Do we need to give them a reason to use it? Isn't the existence of Israel reason enough? So we hold off provoking them until they have two pieces of insurance or three pieces or four or. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 3:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go.. Still can't answer, huh? Do we need to give them a reason to use it? Isn't the existence of Israel reason enough? It seems obvious to me that the reason Iran feels the need for insurance is to deter Israel and the U.S. from attacking *them*. Or, absolute worst case, to do a preemptive strike. That's what all the annihilation talk is about, to discourage us from messing with Iran. But if Iran no longer had reason to believe we would attack them, they would no longer need a deterrent. So we hold off provoking them until they have two pieces of insurance or three pieces or four or. Why would they go to such trouble if they felt secure? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 3:33:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, suitcase bombs are a tad more difficult to build than Little Boys... Er , but is there a reason why they couldn't? Er, since suitcase bombs are the end-result of decades of nuclear-bomb testing, yes, there is (obviously). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, MDixon6569@ wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 3:57:42 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jstein@ writes: Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go.. Still can't answer, huh? Do we need to give them a reason to use it? Isn't the existence of Israel reason enough? It seems obvious to me that the reason Iran feels the need for insurance is to deter Israel and the U.S. from attacking *them*. Or, absolute worst case, to do a preemptive strike. That's what all the annihilation talk is about, to discourage us from messing with Iran. But if Iran no longer had reason to believe we would attack them, they would no longer need a deterrent. So we hold off provoking them until they have two pieces of insurance or three pieces or four or. Why would they go to such trouble if they felt secure? Well, to a certain extent, the mere existence of Israel makes Moslem countries feel insecure for many, many reasons. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip My proposal was that before Iran resumed the rhetoric of annihilating Israel, they had already gotten their hand on a piece of nuclear insurance. And I ask again: If the U.S. and/or Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities out of existence, you believe that will stop Iran from using its nuclear insurance? Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go.. Still can't answer, huh? As I've said in a previous posting - exchanging messgaes with you serve no meaningful purpose. You are hereby informed that a rule is in place which deletes all messages with your signature. Sorry. You brought it on yourself :-) Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Join modern day disciples reach the disfigured and poor with hope and healing http://us.click.yahoo.com/lMct6A/Vp3LAA/i1hLAA/UlWolB/TM ~- To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote: snip My proposal was that before Iran resumed the rhetoric of annihilating Israel, they had already gotten their hand on a piece of nuclear insurance. And I ask again: If the U.S. and/or Israel were to bomb Iran's nuclear facilities out of existence, you believe that will stop Iran from using its nuclear insurance? Because it would seem to me that if Iran does indeed have such nuclear insurance, our best bet, and Israel's, would be to see to it that we don't give them a reason to use it. Give it up Judith, just let it go.. Still can't answer, huh? As I've said in a previous posting - exchanging messgaes with you serve no meaningful purpose. You've never actually *tried* to have an exchange, you know. You are hereby informed that a rule is in place which deletes all messages with your signature. Sorry. You brought it on yourself :-) Many thanks. Now I can comment on your posts without making myself a target of your insults. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 4:15:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems obvious to me that the reason Iran feelsthe need for "insurance" is to deter Israel and theU.S. from attacking *them*. Or, absolute worst case,to do a preemptive strike. That's what all the"annihilation" talk is about, to discourage us frommessing with Iran. Nobody ever talked about messing with Iran until they became hell bent on building nuclear bombs. Their "insurance" has become their provocation towards Israel and the west. If all they ever really wanted was cheap nuclear energy for electricity everything could have been worked out. But it is obvious that is not all they wanted, they wanted the ability to enrich uranium so they could make weapons. And nobody in their right minds trusts the number 1 terrorist supporting country in the world with nukes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 4:24:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Er, suitcase bombs are a tad more difficult to build than "Little Boys"... Er , but is there a reason why they couldn't?Er, since suitcase bombs are the end-result of decades of nuclear-bomb testing, yes, there is (obviously). Er, so the Iranians are starting from scratch? They don't have the benefit of any knowledge or technology that was developed before? So, I guess the Iranians must be decades away from developing a suit case nuke since they are doing all this on their own. Let's hope some soviet nuclear scientist didn't sell them the plans to build one. Or they, the Iranians are too stupid to figure it out. Hope is nice. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 4:26:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, to a certain extent, the mere existence of Israel makes Moslem countries feel insecure for many, many reasons. Tell us why any Muslim country has to fear Israel. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 4:15:55 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It seems obvious to me that the reason Iran feels the need for insurance is to deter Israel and the U.S. from attacking *them*. Or, absolute worst case, to do a preemptive strike. That's what all the annihilation talk is about, to discourage us from messing with Iran. Nobody ever talked about messing with Iran until they became hell bent on building nuclear bombs. Does the phrase axis of evil ring a bell? Their insurance has become their provocation towards Israel and the west. If all they ever really wanted was cheap nuclear energy for electricity everything could have been worked out. But it is obvious that is not all they wanted, they wanted the ability to enrich uranium so they could make weapons. And nobody in their right minds trusts the number 1 terrorist supporting country in the world with nukes. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
In a message dated 4/16/06 9:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the phrase "axis of evil" ring a bell? Was that a regime change policy? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 9:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does the phrase axis of evil ring a bell? Was that a regime change policy? Of course it was. States like these, and their terrorist allies, constitute an axis of evil, arming to threaten the peace of the world. By seeking weapons of mass destruction, these regimes pose a grave and growing danger. They could provide these arms to terrorists, giving them the means to match their hatred. They could attack our allies or attempt to blackmail the United States. In any of these cases, the price of indifference would be catastrophic. We will work closely with our coalition to deny terrorists and their state sponsors the materials, technology, and expertise to make and deliver weapons of mass destruction. We will develop and deploy effective missile defenses to protect America and our allies from sudden attack. (Applause.) And all nations should know: America will do what is necessary to ensure our nation's security. We'll be deliberate, yet time is not on our side. I will not wait on events, while dangers gather. I will not stand by, as peril draws closer and closer. The United States of America will not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most destructive weapons. --George Bush, State of the Union address, 1/29/02 It's very definitely a clear statement of the president's attitude and it leans -- it seems to me -- toward a policy of telling these governments that if they do not get out of business of terror and developing weapons of mass destruction, they stand at risk of their regimes being deposed forcefully by the United States. --James Woolsey, former CIA director, on PBS Newshour 1/30/02 To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[FairfieldLife] Re: ' 40,000 Iranian Suicide bombers/ Sunday Times'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/16/06 11:05:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It is just that those controlling Bush want to try to further secure the oil resources of the Middle East by force, and so are deciding to take this rhetoric from Iran seriously, in order to provoke war. Of course, it's all Bush's fault. Yes, it is definitely his fault for not finding a reasonable solution to this problem. Being in charge of the most powerful government in the world, able to act with virtually no political opposition, and all he can figure out is to play 'my bombs are bigger than your bombs' with any country that challenges him? Bush has massive economic leverage and diplomatic resources at his disposal. He could be creative about this. Instead he persists in playing the role of a very dangerous fool, and a fool is all he is. So, go ahead and support this guy like a TB, and forgive all of his mistakes (there are many). It will lead nowhere but misery. He is a dangerous fool. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
