Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

[Beth]

There are different kinds of tapeworms. They can get them from fleas, rodents, 
roaches, etc.
Beth
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--- On Wed, 7/13/11, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:

From: Bonnie Hogue 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:23 AM

It is a great honor for the cat to bring you their "kill"...I've always
praised the cat then disposed of the item (sometimes this frustrates the
cat, so you have to decide if it's best to give it back so you don't have a
cat going nuts looking for the mouse he just brought you).  My mom's cat
Lucky is the best hunter I've ever seen: possum, rats, birds, etc.   Hard on
wildlife though.  Now he's "retired" and living indoors at my house.  He's
gotten a little fat, but otherwise seems fine with his new status.
I have to believe that the cat's body can deal pretty effectively with the
results to hunting, for the most part.  I know the world is different today
with the introduction by mankind of poisons to the environment.  Hopefully
we can help keep our cats healthy, even if we can't 100% control their
behavior.
~B.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

Unfortunately, every time they kill wildlife and eat at least part of them,
they can become exposed to parasites, mainly roundworm..which means
using poisons to get rid of them

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

Copper and Thomas like to go to the garage to hunt---farm, lizards, snakes
etc come in and need to be removed from the genetic pool---cats have
occupied the house for too long for them to have an excuse for coming in.  I
usually leave the door to the garage open so the boys can come and go.  They
love to bring me their trophies and will even bring them into our
bedroommore often alive than dead.  I tell them how proud I am of them
and their hunting skills--and I really am.  Then I take their trophies out
to show all the world how great they are.  Cats...aren't they
great?
On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Georgetta Brickey wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> I usually just lurk on this list, but had to share a short story from 
> the recent past.
>
> We have a set of security screen doors on our front door and tend to 
> leave the interior solid door open for cooling breezes, sometimes all 
> night in warm weather.  There is a tiny 1/4 in. gap at the bottom of 
> the screen doors.  One morning I walked out and found a
> lizard tail (just the tail) on the rug just inside the front door.   
> Apparently a lizard came exploring under the door and one of our  
> family felines got into some midnight mischief.   Hope the rest of  
> the lizard got back outside, but it was a bit of a shock to pick up 
> the "string" then realize it was a 6-7 inch lizard tail first thing in 
> the a.m.  A real wake up experience!
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Animal Wish List

[Beth]

http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/AnimalWishList/

This is for individuals ONLY to ask for help with their pets. 

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--- On Mon, 7/11/11, Beth  wrote:

From: Beth 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] DMG
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 11, 2011, 3:06 PM

Go to groups.yahoo.com & search for it. It is for individuals needing help with 
pets. No rescue groups.

katskat1  wrote:

>Beth and Natalie
>
>Thanks for the ideas.  I had heard of Chipin but not the Animal Wish
>List. Do I just do a search on Animal Wish List to find it?
>
>I didn't want to "beg", if feels weird but if these kids need it I
>guess I can learn.  My vet is helping me as much as she can but is a
>small town vet with no receptionist, no nothing.  Her office is in an
>old house in town, one exam room and a countertop with file cabinets
>behind it for paperwork.  Surgery is done in a small room in the
>basement with her mom helping to monitor heart/breathing, etc.  Sounds
>hookie but she does good work.  And she cares.  Asking the $ be sent
>directly to her is perfect!  I may give it a shot.
>
>Kat
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

[Beth]

My ferals don't eat any of it. They just kill it. One of them killed a squirrel 
& left it on my neighbor's porch. I bet she was thrilled. The squirrel was 
bigger than he was. Mine never bother the Opossums. I feed the Opossums too. 
They really are characters. The cats don't bother them. A friend of mine had a 
tame one in her house when she used to do wildlife rescue.

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--- On Wed, 7/13/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:

From: dlg...@windstream.net 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 2:42 PM

QUESTION:  Why do my cats only eat the head and body, leaving the internal 
organs untouched?


 Natalie  wrote: 
> Unfortunately, every time they kill wildlife and eat at least part of them,
> they can become exposed to parasites, mainly roundworm..which means
> using poisons to get rid of them
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:07 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.
> 
> Copper and Thomas like to go to the garage to hunt---farm, lizards,  
> snakes etc come in and need to be removed from the genetic pool---cats  
> have occupied the house for too long for them to have an excuse for  
> coming in.  I usually leave the door to the garage open so the boys  
> can come and go.  They love to bring me their trophies and will even  
> bring them into our bedroommore often alive than dead.  I tell  
> them how proud I am of them and their hunting skills--and I really  
> am.  Then I take their trophies out to show all the world how great  
> they are.  Cats...aren't they great?
> On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Georgetta Brickey wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi!
> >
> > I usually just lurk on this list, but had to share a short story  
> > from the recent past.
> >
> > We have a set of security screen doors on our front door and tend to  
> > leave the interior solid door open for cooling breezes, sometimes  
> > all night in warm weather.  There is a tiny 1/4 in. gap at the  
> > bottom of the screen doors.  One morning I walked out and found a  
> > lizard tail (just the tail) on the rug just inside the front door.   
> > Apparently a lizard came exploring under the door and one of our  
> > family felines got into some midnight mischief.   Hope the rest of  
> > the lizard got back outside, but it was a bit of a shock to pick up  
> > the "string" then realize it was a 6-7 inch lizard tail first thing  
> > in the a.m.  A real wake up experience!
> >
> > Georgetta in Ventura, CA             
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

[Beth]

They can get tapes from rodents & certain insects, too. They are not the same 
tapes as they get from fleas, just as the tapes we get from pork are not the 
same.

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--- On Wed, 7/13/11, Natalie  wrote:

From: Natalie 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 2:15 PM

>From hunting, cats definitely get roundworm; from fleas, definitely tapeworm
- I've seen their little white segments undulating until they dry up and
look like kernels of rice

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

There are different kinds of tapeworms. They can get them from fleas,
rodents, roaches, etc.
Beth
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--- On Wed, 7/13/11, Bonnie Hogue  wrote:

From: Bonnie Hogue 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, July 13, 2011, 11:23 AM

It is a great honor for the cat to bring you their "kill"...I've always
praised the cat then disposed of the item (sometimes this frustrates the
cat, so you have to decide if it's best to give it back so you don't have a
cat going nuts looking for the mouse he just brought you).  My mom's cat
Lucky is the best hunter I've ever seen: possum, rats, birds, etc.   Hard on
wildlife though.  Now he's "retired" and living indoors at my house.  He's
gotten a little fat, but otherwise seems fine with his new status.
I have to believe that the cat's body can deal pretty effectively with the
results to hunting, for the most part.  I know the world is different today
with the introduction by mankind of poisons to the environment.  Hopefully
we can help keep our cats healthy, even if we can't 100% control their
behavior.
~B.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2011 7:01 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

Unfortunately, every time they kill wildlife and eat at least part of them,
they can become exposed to parasites, mainly roundworm..which means
using poisons to get rid of them

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats eating grass, insects, etc.

Copper and Thomas like to go to the garage to hunt---farm, lizards, snakes
etc come in and need to be removed from the genetic pool---cats have
occupied the house for too long for them to have an excuse for coming in.  I
usually leave the door to the garage open so the boys can come and go.  They
love to bring me their trophies and will even bring them into our
bedroommore often alive than dead.  I tell them how proud I am of them
and their hunting skills--and I really am.  Then I take their trophies out
to show all the world how great they are.  Cats...aren't they
great?
On Jul 12, 2011, at 7:57 PM, Georgetta Brickey wrote:

>
> Hi!
>
> I usually just lurk on this list, but had to share a short story from 
> the recent past.
>
> We have a set of security screen doors on our front door and tend to 
> leave the interior solid door open for cooling breezes, sometimes all 
> night in warm weather.  There is a tiny 1/4 in. gap at the bottom of 
> the screen doors.  One morning I walked out and found a
> lizard tail (just the tail) on the rug just inside the front door.   
> Apparently a lizard came exploring under the door and one of our  
> family felines got into some midnight mischief.   Hope the rest of  
> the lizard got back outside, but it was a bit of a shock to pick up 
> the "string" then realize it was a 6-7 inch lizard tail first thing in 
> the a.m.  A real wake up experience!
>
> Georgetta in Ventura, CA             
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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Xana to the CLS

[Beth]

So sorry, Esther. Glad Xana had your love.

Beth

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From: Esther Jorda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please add Xana to the CLS

Xana passed away last Thursday of severe anemia. Xana got much worse in the
last two weeks. Nothing could help her.
She has not reached 3 years.


-- 

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

The IFA tests to see if the virus has gotten into the bone marrow & is not 
reversible. A negative IFA does NOT mean the cat is not FeLV positive.

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From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

If I may...
The IFA is more expensive, but results are more reliable.  My vest advised, "If 
the snap (vet's office) test is positive, you need to do IFA.  If the snap is 
negative, you probably don't need IFA."
Good for you for trying to be as sure as you can be.  And thank you for helping 
our furry friends!
Buena suerte!
~Bonnie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of molvey...@hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 5:37 PM
To: Ana Gutierrez
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think the standard snap test which just looks for FIV & FeLV is probably more 
reliable than the triple test.  Not sure though.

The IFA that Natalie mentioned looks to see if the virus has gotten into the 
white blood cells, and if so then the cat will not get rid of the virus and you 
can say for sure he's FeLV positive.  But if it is just in his bloodstream, 
which is what the snap test checks, then the cat still has a chance of getting 
rid of the virus.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

So you have a couple of  options  - 

You can do another snap test to make sure the first one was right, or you can 
go ahead and do the IFA test.

If you do another snap test and it comes out negative then you don't need to do 
anything else.  But if the second snap test is positive then you'll need to do 
more testing.

If you skip the  snap test and go ahead and do an IFA test right now  to see if 
the virus is in his white blood cells, and it's positive then you know for sure 
that he will not be able to get rid of the virus.  However if it is negative, 
then you will need to do another test in a few months to see if the virus is 
present then because it could be in his blood stream now but not go to his 
white blood cells for another few months.

Basically, you need two tests that match.


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- Reply message -
From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 6:30 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
To: "molvey...@hotmail.com" 
Cc: 


Hi!

Thanks for your answer Yes, I can retest them... my doubt is, which test 
should I use? Which one is the most reliable?


Thanks!
Ana


On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:28 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com  wrote:

> Can you afford to re-test them right now?  I'm just wondering if one 
> or maybe both of the tests on the kitties were wrong.  I've heard 
> those triple snap test are a little less reliable.
>
> Are these adults or kittens?
>
>
> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Ana Gutierrez" 
> Date: Mon, Aug 1, 2011 5:49 pm
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> To: 
>
> Dear all,
>
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza 
> passed away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her..
>
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in 
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
>
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive 
> (on a triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats 
> are not siblings, they come from different litters from different 
> parts of México City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be 
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
>
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am 
> posting again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. 
> Does these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? 
> Can they share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as 
> they have their vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in 
> adoption? Can they share their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at 
> the



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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

Shedding a virus means they are contagious.

Beth  

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
the body gets rid of the virus.
Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Great analogy, Maureen and it makes sense :)

I guess my cat, Sugar, must have cleared the virus since he was exposed to 
it 24/7 for 6 mos. They bit one another playing, ate/drank out of the same 
bowls, and shared the litter box. I know you have heard my story before, I'm

just sharing with the "newbie's".

It would be an extreme breakthrough if scientist could determine when the 
virus is actually shed. I hope they accomplish this soon and my hope's are 
that they are working on a cure as well.

Kiss those sweet furry babies today :)

L
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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 4:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties



An antigen is any substance that causes your body to produce antibodies. 
Foreign substances such as chemicals, bacteria, viruses, and pollen are 
antigens.

So since a virus is an antigen it kind of sounds stupid to say the ELISA 
test for the FeLV virus antigen.  It sounds like it's saying the same thing 
twice - it's testing for the virus virus.  I guess it just sounds more 
medical to say virus antigen instead of just virus.

Anyway, logically if the ELISA detects the virus in the saliva, blood, etc. 
it seems like it would be contagious at that point.  But if the experts are 
saying that isn't so then I can't argue.  Maybe it does have something to do

with the virus getting into the white blood cells and bone marrow before it 
can be spread, like you were saying.  Haven't read that but it is kind of 
curious.  This disease never makes sense and for every rule there's an 
exception.

Oh, one thing in my book said that one reason not all cats exposed to it 
don't get it is because they are not exposed to it often enough.  Like 
eating after another cat one time is not enough for the virus to spread.  It

takes a long time, usually a couple months or so at least, with continuous 
exposure for a cat to pick up the virus from another cat.  The book said 
about 30 % of cats exposed to the virus don't get it because either they're 
resistant or don't have enough exposure to it.  Another 30 % get it but are 
able to extinguish it before it gets into their white blood cells or bone 
marrow.  5 - 10 % put the disease into latentcy and then the remaining 30% 
are the ones that get the virus and are not able to fight it off and will 
test positive on the IFA and usually die from the disease.

Still don't know the answer to the question of whether the virus can be shed

at the stage where the ELISA is positive but the IFA is negative.  If anyone

finds out let us know.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark 
Twain

> Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 19:30:04 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
> Great observations and lots of mystery with this horrible disease. It 
> would
> be great if you can find out from that book about what an antigen is and 
> how
> it works with the virus.
>
> I'm no expert but have researched so much. It would be such a relief to 
> all
> of us if we knew if  the virus could be shed if the ELISA test is a true
> positive (meaning it is in their saliva, blood, etc) or does it have to
> reach the bone marrow first? Maybe that could also explain why some 
> contract
> it and others don't. Am I making sense?  It is confusing because it's not
> B&W. There are too many exceptions with the FeLV.  If you find out 
> anymore,
> please share :)
>
> Thanks for your input/research!
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Maureen Olvey" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
>
>
>
> I alway

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, too. 
Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They 
even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives 
are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding

[Beth]

This link explains what "sheeding" a virus means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by "eating it
up", "absorbing" it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
knowI will ask my vet next time I see him

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.


"I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
> From: at...@optonline.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
by
> their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
> "shedding" in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
> infectious during that time.
> What a little word can mean.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 9:50 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Shedding a virus means they are contagious.
> 
> Beth  
> 
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>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 9:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Are we talking about two kinds of shedding of the virus?
> When I say shedding the virus, I mean that as the immune system develops,
> the body gets rid of the virus.
> Could it also mean that as the virus infects while shedding?


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Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding

[Beth]

I've been looking on line for answers. So take these things with a grain of 
salt, esp. since I'm not a vet. But then I'm not sure most vets see enough FeLV 
to really be that knowledgeable about it.

What I've been able to understand from what I was able to  find:
ELISA tests for for FeLV free (unattached to other cells) in the bloodstream. 
This shows initial infection.
The IFA tests for the virus attached to white blood cells (white cells are made 
in the bone marrow, which is where they pick up the virus) This shows secondary 
infection, & is when the cat starts sheddiing the virus & is contagious to 
other cats. I would treat ANY cat testing positive on Either test as contagious.

The article below explains the life stages of the virus.According to this an 
IFA should ONLY be used after a positive Elisa. An IFA run without an Elisa may 
miss the initial stage of infection because it is only looking for FeLV in the 
white blood cells.


http://www.lbah.com/feline/felv.html

I really wish I was still in school & had the time to research & write about 
this subject!

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From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding


OMG - way to complicated for me!!!  


“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:09:17 -0700
> From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Viral Shedding
> 
> This link explains what "sheeding" a virus means.
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viral_shedding
> 
>  Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>  
> 
> 
> 
> From: Natalie 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> I think that their immune systems are getting rid of the virus by "eating it
> up", "absorbing" it, NOT expelling it to infect others.  I bet they don't
> knowI will ask my vet next time I see him
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:32 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> That's what we're wondering - whether the virus is shed into their saliva
> while their immune system is still fighting the virus.  If the ELISA is
> positive but the IFA is still negative are the cats able to infect another
> cat.  My book said that when the IFA is positive the cats are able to infect
> other cats.  It didn't say that about when the ELISA is positive but the IFA
> is negative.  It didn't say anything at all about that situation so we're
> wondering at what point in the progression of the disease is the cat able to
> infect another cat.  Since the ELISA test can use saliva or blood to detect
> the virus then that means the virus is in the saliva at that point right,
> and I would think it would be able to infect another cat.  But that may not
> be correct.  Maybe the virus can't be spread until it's progressed all the
> way through the body and has gone into the white blood cells.  Maybe once
> the virus goes into the bone marrow and white blood cells it changes or
> mutates into a way that makes it contagious.  I don't know, it's weird.  I
> guess if the experts don't know then I'll never figure it out either.
> 
> 
> "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are
> profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon
> unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me
> sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark
> Twain
> 
> > Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 10:10:37 -0400
> > From: at...@optonline.net
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> > 
> > So, does that mean that as positive kittens'/cats' virus is being fought
> by
> > their immune systems, they are contagious?  I have heard vets use the term
> > "shedding" in this context since the 90s, NOT meaning that they are
> > infectious during that time.
> > What a little word can

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Beth]

I'm guessing all your other cats have been tested for FeLV? I can't imagine any 
vet or shelter vaccinating for FeLV without testing first. Peaches should 
definitely be tested before letting her near the other cats. If they are all 
negative & never go outside I wouldn't vaccinate them for FeLV. Just be 
vigilant about bringing any new cats in.

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From: Martha Walton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 3:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

We have a new addition (Peaches) to my household, making a total of 4 cats.
Need advice on Feline Leukemia Vaccinations.

I have not introduced new cat (Peaches) to my other cats, as I want to make
sure all are safe against feline leukemia. Peaches is up to date with all
shots, but waiting on vet to do fecal because I saw a tapeworm.
Peaches is sequestered to basement. Very comfy down there.

Here's the situation:

*Peaches* (New Cat)
Age: 4.5 yr
Current vaccination for Feline Leukemia, but *was never tested* before
vaccination.
Peaches was never tested for Feline Leukemia, she was given 1st & 2nd feline
leukemia in 2009.
She also had a vaccination in 2010

I have 3 other cats:
All cats will stay indoors!

*Nibbles *(got from shelter when 1 yr. old)
Age: 2.5
Nibbles had 1st Feline Leukemia shot 3/23/11, but not 2nd Feline Leukemia
shot.
Didn't get 2nd: worrying about tumors & didn't think that I would "rescue" a
cat again and planning on keeping all cats indoors.
*However, I rescued another cat.*
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??

*Littlebit*
Age: 11
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

*Lacy*
Age: 6 months
Current Feline Leukemia vacc

What do you think I should do???
Should I go ahead and give Nibbles her second shot of the series, or is it
too late??
Should I get Peaches tested for Feline Leukemia??

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not 
even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my vet.


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From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
better than 0% protection.
- Original Message ----- From: "Beth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed in 
the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, too. 
Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! They 
even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the negatives 
are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Beth]

>From what I've read they WILL test positive for FeLV after vaccination with a 
>live vaccine. This happened at our shelter. I don't know how many days that 
>lasts, but she would not have a false positive at this point.

 
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From: Martha Walton 
To: Katy Doyle 
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

Thanks everyone!  My vet told me that Peaches would test positive because
she's had the FeLV vaccination.
I think I will call the vet that Peaches former owners took her to & ask
them to test Peaches.
Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they say.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:

> It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
> cat instead of testing them.
>
> Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
> Apparently "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other
> cats from getting exposed to FeLV.
>
>
> I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
> positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
>
> Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in case
> =^_^=
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com <
> molvey...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
>> indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.  Only if
>> there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out and
>> you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to the
>> virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have been
>> tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
>> either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really don't
>> need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
>> thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up to
>> speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over again if
>> you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
>>
>> Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
>> for kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>>
>> - Reply message -
>> From: "Martha Walton" 
>> Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>>  To: 
>>
>> The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
>> apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took Peaches
>> to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know why
>> the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her first.
>> They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had a
>> baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
>> live
>> here.
>>
>> I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead and
>> give Nibbles vaccinations.
>> I'll let you know what the vet says.
>> Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about what
>> to do.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson > >wrote:
>>
>> > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the first
>> > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it to
>> be
>> > effective.
>> >
>> > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
>> > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I would
>> keep
>> > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and she
>> has
>> > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others are
>> all
>> > current! Your a good momma to be cautious.
>> >
>> > I hope this helps, we all try to share our experiences and knowledge on
>> > this forum, but we are not experts :)
>> >
>> > Keep us posted.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > L
>> > - Original Message - From: "Martha Walton" <
>> marthawal...@gmail.com
>> > >
>> > To: 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:17 PM
>> > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> >

Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

These are my personal cats & FeLV foster cats. I cannot foster any negative 
cats for the shelter as long as I have FeLV cats, even if they stay in separate 
rooms.


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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

I would do it, but cannot because cats get adopted; I cannot take even the
slightest chance that one of our cats could infect someone's cat by one of
ours.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

In the 10+ years I've been mixing I have never had a cat pass the virus. Not
even to my FIV+ cat. All my cats mix freely. This was on the advice of my
vet.


Beth

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From: Lynda Wilson 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2011 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot
better than 0% protection.
- Original Message - From: "Beth" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed
in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives,
too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.

Beth

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From: john pollack 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my
others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food!
They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the
negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!




From: Ana Gutierrez 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

Dear all,

It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
away, last year
I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.

I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
Cuernavaca, México, where I live.

Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
City.
We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
completely sure that they are FeLV positive.

However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
again...
We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
a great life for these two little guys.

Thanks in advance,
Ana
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[Felvtalk] Another Sanctuary Closing if anyone has taken cats there

[Beth]

If you brought cats to Haven Acres and wish to reclaim them, this is the 
contact person for that.
Alachua County Animal Services, Jessica 
Lauginiger.  352-264-6870


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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Beth]

it happened at our shelter. we vaccinated s wjole bunch of cats & they got  
sick. we retested them & they all came up positive. repeate the tests a few 
days later & all the tests were back to negative. I posted about it when it 
happened. we returned the rest of the vaccines to the mfg.

TANYA NOE  wrote:

>I am a licensed vet tech (though for the last year a stay at home Mom) and I 
>have never heard of a live FeLV vaccine. Nor have I ever heard of it making a 
>cat show positive on a test. FIV and FIP are the only ones I have ever heard 
>of causing a false positive on a test. I will check with a few of my vet 
>friends and see if they can give any more info.
>Tanya
>
>--- On Thu, 8/4/11, Lynda Wilson  wrote:
>
>> From: Lynda Wilson 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 4:45 PM
>> Is this "live" vaccine new? I've
>> never heard that a vaccination for FeLV will make a positive
>> result, but I'm getting a killed virus vaccination for my
>> cats. I'll let you know what my vet says. Never hurts to get
>> a second opinion :)
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Beth" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> 
>> 
>> From what I've read they WILL test positive for FeLV after
>> vaccination with a live vaccine. This happened at our
>> shelter. I don't know how many days that lasts, but she
>> would not have a false positive at this point.
>> 
>> 
>> Beth
>> 
>> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Martha Walton 
>> To: Katy Doyle 
>> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> 
>> Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would test
>> positive because
>> she's had the FeLV vaccination.
>> I think I will call the vet that Peaches former owners took
>> her to & ask
>> them to test Peaches.
>> Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they say.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle wrote:
>> 
>> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to
>> just vaccinate the
>> > cat instead of testing them.
>> > 
>> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test
>> the animals.
>> > Apparently "it costs too much" - but I think the cost
>> is worth saving other
>> > cats from getting exposed to FeLV.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause
>> the test to come out
>> > positive, so you should get a fairly accurate
>> reading.
>> > 
>> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated
>> against FeLV, just in case
>> > =^_^=
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
>> <
>> > molvey...@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > 
>> >> I think I would definitely get Peaches tested. If
>> all your cats are
>> >> indoors only they really don't need to be
>> vaccinated against FeLV. Only if
>> >> there's a chance they could get it. But if you're
>> not letting them out and
>> >> you're not fostering other cats then there's no
>> risk of exposure to the
>> >> virus so no real need for a vaccination. If all
>> your other cats have been
>> >> tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't
>> need the vaccination
>> >> either. So as long as her combo test is negative,
>> then you really don't
>> >> need to worry about Nibbles. It's totally up to
>> you though. Just my
>> >> thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive
>> definitely get Nibbles up to
>> >> speed. And I think he does need to do the series
>> of two shots over again if
>> >> you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks for giving Peaches a home. And kick that
>> other lady in the butt
>> >> for kicking Peaches out of the house just because
>> she had a baby.
>> >> 
>> >> Maureen
>> >> 
>> >> sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
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Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Beth]

we sernt the vaccines back because ythe casts got ill. I don't know if they 
responded. we stopped using them.

TANYA NOE  wrote:

>Wow, that is really scary, I think I do remember you posting about this a 
>while ago. Did the manufacturer ever give any info after the vaccines were 
>sent back? Any explanation as to why the tests would be affected when the 
>veterinary world is told they won't?
>
>Tanya
>
>--- On Thu, 8/4/11, Beth  wrote:
>
>> From: Beth 
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 7:33 PM
>> it happened at our shelter. we
>> vaccinated s wjole bunch of cats & they got  sick.
>> we retested them & they all came up positive. repeate
>> the tests a few days later & all the tests were back to
>> negative. I posted about it when it happened. we returned
>> the rest of the vaccines to the mfg.
>> 
>> TANYA NOE 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> >I am a licensed vet tech (though for the last year a
>> stay at home Mom) and I have never heard of a live FeLV
>> vaccine. Nor have I ever heard of it making a cat show
>> positive on a test. FIV and FIP are the only ones I have
>> ever heard of causing a false positive on a test. I will
>> check with a few of my vet friends and see if they can give
>> any more info.
>> >Tanya
>> >
>> >--- On Thu, 8/4/11, Lynda Wilson 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> From: Lynda Wilson 
>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 4:45 PM
>> >> Is this "live" vaccine new? I've
>> >> never heard that a vaccination for FeLV will make
>> a positive
>> >> result, but I'm getting a killed virus vaccination
>> for my
>> >> cats. I'll let you know what my vet says. Never
>> hurts to get
>> >> a second opinion :)
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks!
>> >> 
>> >> - Original Message - From: "Beth" 
>> >> To: 
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2011 2:44 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> From what I've read they WILL test positive for
>> FeLV after
>> >> vaccination with a live vaccine. This happened at
>> our
>> >> shelter. I don't know how many days that lasts,
>> but she
>> >> would not have a false positive at this point.
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Beth
>> >> 
>> >> Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> From: Martha Walton 
>> >> To: Katy Doyle 
>> >> Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >> Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2011 1:38 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> >> 
>> >> Thanks everyone! My vet told me that Peaches would
>> test
>> >> positive because
>> >> she's had the FeLV vaccination.
>> >> I think I will call the vet that Peaches former
>> owners took
>> >> her to & ask
>> >> them to test Peaches.
>> >> Thanks for the advice, I'll let you know what they
>> say.
>> >> 
>> >> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Katy Doyle 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for
>> shelters/rescues to
>> >> just vaccinate the
>> >> > cat instead of testing them.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them
>> to test
>> >> the animals.
>> >> > Apparently "it costs too much" - but I think
>> the cost
>> >> is worth saving other
>> >> > cats from getting exposed to FeLV.
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't
>> cause
>> >> the test to come out
>> >> > positive, so you should get a fairly
>> accurate
>> >> reading.
>> >> > 
>> >> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully
>> vaccinated
>> >> against FeLV, just in case
>> >> > =^_^=
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >&

Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question

[Beth]

i'm familiar with Alley Cat Allie's taske on testing ferasls because thete is a 
group here who follows their line. I completely disagree with it. I have 
re-released cats with FIV, but I think it is crazy to release cats with FeLV.  
Those cats will probably die a horrible lonely death & put other, even tame 
cats at risk. I cannot understand it.

Kelley Saveika  wrote:

>Alley Cat Allies recommends not testing for a couple of reasons.  Their
>reasoning can be found here.  http://www.alleycat.org/Page.aspx?pid=458   We
>follow their recommendations.
>
>If a cat is a friendly stray in a feral colony, we test - always test before
>adoption.  If they are pos we wait then retest with IFA.  One of our cats
>was adopted to a lovely lady on this list - she was double pos (we confirmed
>the FELV with IFA) and she's still doing well several years later.
>
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>
>> Many TNR don't test, unless a cat looks really sick, too sick to be
>> released
>> into a colony.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
>> dlg...@windstream.net
>> Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 1:36 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>>
>> But, it costsmoney.  I can see they reasoning , in a way.  Shelters usually
>> operate on a shoestring and are pushing thei limits just keeping animals
>> fed
>> and sheltered. If it was me, I would do without fried chicken nd a couple
>> of
>> hamburgers and get them tested.
>>
>>  Katy Doyle  wrote:
>> > It's not uncommon in Kentucky for shelters/rescues to just vaccinate the
>> cat
>> > instead of testing them.
>> >
>> > Lately, all I have done is fight to get them to test the animals.
>> Apparently
>> > "it costs too much" - but I think the cost is worth saving other cats
>> from
>> > getting exposed to FeLV.
>> >
>> >
>> > I'd say test Peaches, the vaccination doesn't cause the test to come out
>> > positive, so you should get a fairly accurate reading.
>> >
>> > Then go ahead and get everyone fully vaccinated against FeLV, just in
>> case
>> > =^_^=
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 1:10 PM, molvey...@hotmail.com
>> > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > > I think I would definitely get Peaches tested.  If all your cats are
>> > > indoors only they really don't need to be vaccinated against FeLV.
>>  Only
>> if
>> > > there's a chance they could get it.  But if you're not letting them out
>> and
>> > > you're not fostering other cats  then there's no risk of exposure to
>> the
>> > > virus so no real need for a vaccination.  If all your other cats have
>> been
>> > > tested and are negative also then Peaches wouldn't need the vaccination
>> > > either.  So as long as her combo test is negative, then you really
>> don't
>> > > need to worry about Nibbles.  It's totally up to you though.  Just my
>> > > thoughts. Course if Peaches' test is positive definitely get Nibbles up
>> to
>> > > speed.  And I think he does need to do the series of two shots over
>> again if
>> > > you decide to get him current like Lynda said.
>> > >
>> > > Thanks for giving Peaches a home.  And kick that other lady in the butt
>> for
>> > > kicking Peaches out of the house just because she had a baby.
>> > >
>> > > Maureen
>> > >
>> > > sent from my AT&T Smartphone by HTC
>> > >
>> > > - Reply message -
>> > > From: "Martha Walton" 
>> > > Date: Thu, Aug 4, 2011 11:52 am
>> > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Feline Leukemia Question
>> > >  To: 
>> > >
>> > > The family that owned Peaches found her abandoned outside a vacant
>> > > apartment.  Their neighbor moved out, but left the cat.  They took
>> Peaches
>> > > to the vet to discover that Peaches already was spayed.  I don't know
>> why
>> > > the Vet gave her Feline Leukemia vaccinations without testing her
>> first.
>> > > They kept Peaches for almost 2 years and properly vetted her, wife had
>> a
>> > > baby and they didn't want Peaches anymore.  That's how Peaches came to
>> live
>> > > here.
>> > >
>> > > I am going to take her to the Vet to have her tested and will go ahead
>> and
>> > > give Nibbles vaccinations.
>> > > I'll let you know what the vet says.
>> > > Thanks for all your help!!  It has been hard to get information about
>> what
>> > > to do.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Lynda Wilson > > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Martha, you will have to start over on Nibbles. Once you get the
>> first
>> > > > shot, you have to get the second within 3 weeks of the first for it
>> to
>> be
>> > > > effective.
>> > > >
>> > > > It would be wise to have Peaches tested. Getting her the vaccination
>> > > > against FeLV will not show a positive test like the FIV would.  I
>> would
>> > > keep
>> > > > her separate from the others of course, until her worms are gone and
>> she
>> > > has
>> > > > had two FeLV tests that have the same result. Glad all the others

Re: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma

[Beth]

When I re-locate ferals I set them up in a big dog crate in the are I will be 
releasing them in for 2 weeks minimum. That way the know where they are going 
to be fed. Make sure you feed them where the crate was. They have always stayed 
around once freed.

Beth

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From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 9:05 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Please Share Thoughts on TNR Dilemma


Wish I would have thought to ask this yesterday!  Now I’m literally an hour 
away from needing to decide.
The problem is that my aunt (who’s tame housecat I took) also had a “feral” 
living in her large yard.  The cat showed up about 2 years ago, and for the 
past year I believe the cat has pretty much been a resident there (her only 
source of food?).
Yesterday I trapped her and took her to Forgotten Felines, the local and 
excellent TNR organization.  Guess what?  She had already been spayed.  That 
means some (fill in the blank nasty term) ‘person’ had just abandoned her!
So here’s the dilemma:  if I release her in my yard, she’s in a strange place.  
The only thing holding her near will be my good heart.  If I take her back to 
my aunt’s house (which is to go on the market soon) god knows what will happen, 
where she will find food, and the next ‘trapper’ may not have as good a 
motivation as I do.
I see it as 50/50 for this poor cat.
But what would YOU do?
Thanks for your thoughts.
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rafferty Please add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

I know it is so hard to love them so much & have to lose them. it sounds like 
you two had love at first sight.

Sherry DeHaan  wrote:

>My heart is heavy and hurting tonight,I had to let my beautiful Rafferty go to 
>the bridge. Raff was my 1st Sids kid that I brought into my heart and home 
>almost 5 years and 8 months ago. I brought him home just a few seconds from 
>midnight NYE 2006. He chose me when I was talking to another cat I heard this 
>pllluuurrp behind me,I turned around and saw this crazy Dr Seussish looking 
>cat and asked him if he was talking to me...his response " puurrrpI 
>was hooked he was mine or I was his  :) 
>He was also a milkaholic...he would stalk you in the kitchen if you got the 
>milk out and did not give him someone of my fav pics of him is the one 
>with droplets of milk on his beautiful black and white faceI love you Raff 
>and I am so happy I brought you home and cherish EVERY moment I had with 
>you,no regrets my baby boy no regrets.
>Sherry
>
>
>"We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
>than our own,
>Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
>Unable to accept its awful gaps.
>We still would have it no other way"
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Sorry to Ask so much, but...

[Beth]

Try contacting a rescue to see if they have one you can borrow or look on your 
post on your local Free Cycle list if you have one. I had so many extra crates 
when I stopped fostering kittens I didn't know what to do with them!

Beth

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From: Belinda Sauro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Sorry to Ask so much, but...


   This is the same type of crate I used on my cross country trip with the 
kitties in the semi, I bought 4 of these, 2, 36" and 2, 42" sizes, only 
difference is mine have 3 doors (one on the side too).  They are very nice, 
easy to fold and set up, 

On 8/11/2011 9:18 AM, Natalie wrote: 
http://www.amazon.com/Pet-Folding-Crate-Cage-Kennel/dp/B004G4W2I4/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1313079277&sr=8-6
 
>look at this one for 41.99 Opens from top and has 2 doors, apparently.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy & THANK YOU

[Beth]

I pet sit for a "feral" cat. She was trapped & released & the lady re-released 
her at her new house when she moved. I would have to leave the front door open 
so she could sneak inside. She now runs up to my car & begs to be picked up. 
Yet the woman still calls her "feral", LOL.
So Hemy may very well come around.

Beth

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy & THANK YOU


Poor Hemy must be very upset; but the fact that she’s not lunging at you when 
you tend to her needs, proves that she’s not a true feral!  An outdoor 
enclosure for your cats and Hemy (separated, and where she could live all the 
time) would be great – then you wouldn’t have to worry about her safety and the 
birds! But if she has a cleft palate, how is she managing to eat and survive?
Good luck!
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 12:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Hemy & THANK YOU
Importance: High
 
Dear All
 
Update on my “Dilemma” and numerous “questions”….
The little “feral” cat from my aunt’s house is now safely in a large cage on my 
back deck.  Phew!   Forgotten Felines lent me the cage and advised that should 
be her transition place.  She’s “mad as heck” and won’t look at me and hisses, 
but lets me clean the litter box, give her food and change the water.  But this 
is only day 2.  She seems to be healing from her tail amputation, and her hind 
leg wound/tumor (they aren’t sure).  My goal is to let her stay in my yard – 
not my favorite thing, but can work (birds: beware).  I am open to finding her 
a home if she turns out to be friendly enough.  I will Never take her to a 
“shelter” or give her away to anyone I don’t know and can’t check up on.  She’s 
had it tough enough already.
I call her Hemy (sorta short for Himalayan?).  She’s “half”  lot of things:  
she was already spayed; she is at least half Himalayan; she is half feral and 
half friendly; she has a little clef palate; she is blue-eyed and although 
looked awful with a damaged tail she is a 9 lb. 6 oz. beauty!  If she ever 
forgives me for causing her this trauma, we may get to be friends!
I am considering building a larger enclosure for her, and maybe could use it to 
give the indoor cats some time outside.
And thank you all so much for your help!  
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!

[Beth]

You are right. She is not feral, she just hasn't been loved. I have one inside 
my house right now who is over 10 years old, never been touched by a human, 
outside all his life, & felt behind when his caretaker  was put in a nursing 
home. I could not touch him for awhile. Now I can pick him up & he just purrs!~

Beth

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From: Bonnie Hogue 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:24 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!


Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I 
was there.  I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her 
head.  No problem.  Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a 
chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still.  She 
moved closer, then nudged my hand.  I stroked her cheek and she moved her head 
around in obvious pleasure.  I petted her a few moments and she purred.  
This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her 
familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days!
I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you?
I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel 
pressured.  But what a little sweetheart.  It pains me to think of how horribly 
humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust 
again.  Bless her!
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] ALERT NOTICE: Fake Frontline

[Beth]

I've heard of it showing up at vets' offices too.

Beth

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From: "dlg...@windstream.net" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ALERT NOTICE: Fake Frontline

That is why I get mine from my vet not some mail order source or online.

 Natalie  wrote: 
> 
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> AzMwNDcxBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEzMTM0OTczNTM-> Fake Frontline 
> 
> 
> To all cat and dog lovers!
> 
> A few months ago, a friend noticed a warning at the front counter of her
> vet's office about counterfeit Frontline. At the time, I didn't give it much
> thought.  Then, another friend forwarded a link about a dog dying from what
> his vet thinks might be due to toxicity from some fake Frontline. You may or
> may not already know about this, but I think it is important enough to post
> the link to the article here:
> 
> http://www.dailykos .com/story/ 2011/08/12/ 1006303/- EPA-Counterfeit-
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> <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/12/1006303/-EPA-Counterfeit-Pesticide
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> 
> Very sad story. If you use Frontline, be careful about where you purchase it
> and examine the package closely.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

I love the grumpy old men too! Such a reward to make them purr :) Sorry about 
his passing.

Beth

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From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:55 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Mooshu  Please add to the CLS :(


We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old 
boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first 
time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just 
after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy 
purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall 
telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did.
I will miss you Mooshy Man 
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.


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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.
Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

I would wait & have the other cat re-tested in 3 months. If they were already 
exposed to each other it is quite possible the other cat has the virus from 
Spicey but it has not yet shown up (takes at least 90 days).
I mix my positives & vaccinated negatives, but if you want to keep them 
separate, I would think about getting her a playmate, maybe a male since they 
seem to be more accepting of new cats, at least in y experience.

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From: April Johnson 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.

 
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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.
 Beth
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From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.
Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv Snap test...PLEASE READ

[Beth]

Is this the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped using 
those because we found themunreliable.

Beth

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From: SomeWhere Sam 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fw: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information about the Felv 
Snap test...PLEASE READ


Forwarded from the Feral Cat Chat list

Somewhere Sam



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Sent: Thu, August 25, 2011 3:15:53 PM
Subject: [feral-cat-chat] Interesting information  about the Felv Snap 
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From:  "Val Garcia"  
Sender:  dc-res...@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 16:15:08 -0400
To: Val Garcia
ReplyTo:  dc-res...@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [DC-Rescue] . Some very interesting information  about the Felv Snap 
test...PLEASE READ
  
Very very interesting about the Snap test…. 
I wonder how many have unnecessarily put to sleep…
 


 
I just learned some very interesting information about FELV.  ???  had three 
cats test
positive for it, when they knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother
nor any of the other kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated
tests and they had the mother with them for a while before birth. One of the
vet volunteers followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to
Auburn University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services
, which does some different tests, at about $30 cost.

Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because some
cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other tests on
all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another ELISA test
called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on both tests. And
they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in the Idexx SNAP test!!

Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
positives>

The number of the Auburn 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess 
up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. & 
even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as 
happily as any other cat!

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From: Christiane Biagi 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!  There are 
just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life and death 
decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ 
cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 
months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside 
or any pos cats…..
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
 
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From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
marrow.
 Beth
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From:Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
the positive ELISA.
Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
will be positive more likely than not.
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
 
In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after being 
adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know when I 
adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you request it.  
Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me to put her to 
sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't do it she was 
only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her home.  She has a 
cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is lonely being by 
herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat and her juvenile 
litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline leukemia.  I was 
thinking of looking for a friend for Spicy.  I had talked to a shelter in our 
area that takes in
 FELV and FIV positive cats.  They recommended not adding because it could make 
Spicy sick or the other cat sick.  Spicy is do next week to get retested for 
FELV, the vet said there is remote chance she could turn negative.  If she is 
still positive  do you think it would hurt her to get her a friend?? 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Got this from an animal network:

[Beth]

yes. someone posted it already.

Natalie  wrote:

>FYI - did someone already post this?  Seems familiar.
>
>
>  Sam Thomas
>
>
>From A Feral Cat Chat List. I just learned some very interesting
>information about FELV. ??? had three cats test positive for it, when they
>knew that it was very unlikely ( neither the mother nor any of the other
>kittens in the litter tested positive, after repeated tests and they had the
>mother with them for a while before birth. One of the vet volunteers
>followed up. She had blood drawn at Caring Hands Vet and sent to Auburn
>University College of Veterinary medicine Pathology Diagnostic Services ,
>which does some different tests, at about $30 cost.
>
>Auburn University College of Veterinary Medicine Pathobiology Diagnostic
>services says that the Idexx SNAP test can cause a positive result because
>some cats have a reaction to the cat serum in the test. They did two other
>tests on all three cats using a blood test called IFA as well as by another
>ELISA test called Symbiotics Viracheck. All three cats tested negative on
>both tests. And they concluded that they had reacted to the serum used in
>the Idexx SNAP test!!
>
>Also we should get the word out that the Idexx tests can cause false
>positives>
>
>The number of the Auburn University facility is 334-844-2690
>
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

[Beth]

Unfortunately it's almost impossible to find a vet anymore who doesn't use the 
3-way test. Guess I'll just pay the shelter from now on.

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From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FelV Tests

Our vet clinic uses these tests and I questioned them about it.
They guarantee they are fine, and I've had at least 5 cats test
negative on them, but I've heard too many bad reports of these
FelV, FIV and Heartworm tests to have any confidence in them.

Lorrie

On 08-26, Marcia Baronda wrote:

>    YES!!  felv fiv and heartworms.  that's what they used on all my cats!
> 
>    On  Fri,  Aug  26,  2011 at 8:24 AM, Beth <[1]create_me_...@yahoo.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    Is  this  the one that checks for heartworms also? Our shelter stopped
>    using those because we found themunreliable.
>    Beth

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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

Yeah! One more convert to help spread the word about these babies!

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From: Marcia Baronda 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


yes, that's true. we just have to manage. well i'm finding out from all of you 
that they can live a normal life...thank god!


On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Beth  wrote:

You can never rely on a single ELISA, that's for sure. Plus we know labs mess 
up human tests, so we have to know that IFAs sent out can get messed up, too. & 
even if they are truly positive they can live whatever life they have just as 
happily as any other cat!
>
>
>Beth
>
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
>
>
>
>
> From: Christiane Biagi 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:23 PM 
>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>
>
>You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!  There 
>are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life and death 
>decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us who have felv+ 
>cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg at about 3 
>months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed to the outside 
>or any pos cats…..
> 
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
> 
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
>
>
> 
>From:Natalie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:00 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>Ours had only the ELISA, positive….2 ½ yrs later, the IFA – negative.
>New cat had ELISA, then IFA three wks later – both were positive.  He had the 
>IFA again 1 ½ yrs later – negative!
> 
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:25 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>Natalie, were they also re-tested with an Elisa? A negative IFA does NOT mean 
>they don't have the virus. It just means it isn't replicating in their bone 
>marrow.
> Beth
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
> 
> 
>
>
> 
>From:Natalie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 3:39 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>I got a FeLV+ cat 3/2 yrs ago…couldn’t find anyone to take him, he was very 
>lonely.  After two yrs alone, I found another FeLV+ cat – they became friends 
>overnight.  A few months ago, I decided to retest them, using the IFA – they 
>were both negative.  Just imagine, how lucky I was – one of them could have 
>been positive, and I would have exposed the healthy one to FeLV!  The strange 
>thing is that the new cat had also had the IFA, but it was done to soon after 
>the positive ELISA.
>Once you know that your cat is definitely positive, get another definitely 
>positive cat for company.  Chances are great that kittens of a FeLV+ mother 
>will be positive more likely than not.
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of April Johnson
>Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:38 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
> 
>In June we adopted two cats a young black female(Spicy) and a orange female 
>(Sunny) from animal control.  Our local shelter was overrun with cats and 
>begging people to come adopt.  When we took them to the vets a week after 
>being adopted the receptionist asked if we wanted them tested.  I did not know 
>when I adopted them that animal control does not test the cats unless you 
>request it.  Well Spicy tested positive for Feline Leukemia.  My vet wanted me 
>to put her to sleep because she couldn't live with my other cats.  I couldn't 
>do it she was only 10 months old.  So I transformed a spare bedroom into her 
>home.  She has a cat tree, sofa, windows and toys galore.  I think she is 
>lonely being by herself.  A rescue in my area just posted about a mother cat 
>and her juvenile litter of kittens having all just tested positive for feline 
>leukemia.  

Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

[Beth]

I don't vaccinate FeLV kitties. My 1st 2 FeLV girls died right after being  
vaccinated & I've heard of that happening from other people, too.

Beth

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

All you have to do when administering antibiotics is to use probiotics mixed
into their food.  Just plain acidophiolus, will do, too.  And if the cats
happen to like yogurt, even better - but make sure you get real yogurt with
real acidophilus, not some fake sweetended yogurt.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Noren
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Being blunt

Hi Marcia,
I know popular opinion is to limit antibiotic use, because it can kill
the good bacteria in the gut, but in my limited experience I prefer to
leave immune-compromised kitties on it longer.  I had one little FeLV
pos kitten with a URI that had a 10 day regimen of Clavamox.  She was
vaccinated a few days later, as she seemed to have cleared the URI.
Big mistake, I didn't know any better.  The URI was not cleared, just
masked by the antibiotic, it came back, lost her to FIP a couple of
weeks later.  When her positive brother started getting sick soon
after, he got prednisolone twice for fever and was on clavamox for
months (5, 6?) just in case.  He never had any bowel problems from it.
My vet finally said she couldn't in good conscious keep prescribing
it for such a healthy cat.  Had I left his sister on it (and not
vaccinated so young) I feel her immune system may have been less
exhausted and better able to fight the corona virus that turned into
FIP and killed her.

Best wishes,
Beth

On Wed, Aug 24, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Marcia Baronda
 wrote:
> Terri
...He's om amoxicillin and they said he could stay on that
> indefinitely. Do you agree? She also said we could try some prednisone.
What
> are you opinions??
>
> Take care everyone
> Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....

[Beth]

that's an oldie but a goodie.

Lynda Wilson  wrote:

>Natalie, I have not had a laugh like that in a long time!!! Thanks so much for 
>sharing. You are way too funny girl!  I love your sense of humor.  Gotta have 
>it to keep your sanity, right?!
>
>Be safe! I hope your place does not sustain too much damage from Irene.  Keep 
>us posted!
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Natalie 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 5:46 PM
>  Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle
>
>
>  A Trip to Costco 
>
>  Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for 
> my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman 
> behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So 
> since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I 
> didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I 
> probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that 
> I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes 
> coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. 
>
>  I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it 
> works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one 
> or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it 
> works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that 
> practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, 
> she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me.  
> I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. 
>
>  I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was 
> laughing so hard. 
>
>  Costco won't let me shop there anymore. 
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

[Beth]

A posiitve IFA means it's replicating in the bone marrow, so no further testing 
is usually required, but I don't hink I would trust an IFA on an 8-week old 
kitten.

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From: Maureen Olvey 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats


 
Seems like I heard that kittens should be retested at 6 months.  Not sure 
though.

Many kittens have URI and coccidia, which is usually what Albon is for.  I've 
had some people tell me that their cats went months before they actually had a 
solid poop.  That could be from anything.  So if the Albon doesn't help don't 
be too worried, just keep trying things.  It could be the food, other parasites 
just so many things.  Have to be careful about diarrhea because it's easy for 
kittens to get dehydrated.  So make sure it's getting enough water and let the 
vet show you how to tell if they're dehydrated by pulling up the skin to test 
the elasticity.

If the URI doesn't get  better after a couple rounds of Clavamox ask for a 
stronger antibiotic.  I don't think vets like to give too strong an antibiotic 
to a kitten but you do have to get rid of the URI so sometimes there's nothing 
else to do.  Also antibiotics are notorious for giving cats diarrhea.

With any FeLV kitty you have to be worried about each thing that they battle so 
I don't know about the prognosis.  I wouldn't think those things would be too 
much more serious for a FeLV kitten than any other kitten but I don't know for 
sure.  If the clavamox is helping then that's a good sign.

So many kittens have lived longer than the expected 3.5 years so you never know 
how long the kitten will live.  It seems to be a coin toss.  But, there are so 
many things out there to help the immune system deal with whatever FeLV throws 
their way so keep that in mind and be positive.

Maybe someone else has more specific advise on supplements or anything else to 
help the kitten get over it's health problems right now.

“I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are 
profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon 
unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me 
sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain




Date: Sun, 28 Aug 2011 21:28:46 -0700
From: ccarlsb...@gmail.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats

Can someone please give me some advice on the 8 week old kitty I rescued from 
the shelter? IFA and ELISA + FELV. What do you all think about that prognosis?? 
He is on Clavamax for URI, which is slightly improving, still very 
sneezy-snotty, Albon, Metrodione (?) for diarrhea, which has not improved, and 
also L-Lysine/Duralactin gel.
When should I re-test?


On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:59 PM,  wrote:

I think itis time to retest Annie and Nitnoy with the  IFA and Elisa.  It has 
been 1 year for Nitnoy and over 3 for Annie.
>
> Marcia Baronda  wrote:
>> No Kiddingmy thoughts exactly. And I am just learning this, because you
>> can't find any info like this in any books or on any websites about felv.
>> All of you have a wealth of info here and a LOT of statistics!!
>> Just think what that would look like all compiled together.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Christiane Biagi 
>> wrote:
>>
>> >  You know, not for nothing, but this testing is really really flawed!
>> > There are just too many stories of folks with inconsistent results.  Life
>> > and death decisions are made everyday based on these tests and all of us 
>> > who
>> > have felv+ cats know the tests to be a bit shaky.  My own Tucson tested neg
>> > at about 3 months & post years later even though she’d never been exposed 
>> > to
>> > the outside or any pos cats…..
>> >
>> > ** **
>> >
>> > *From:* felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:
>> > felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of *Beth
>> > *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:15 PM
>> > *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> >
>> > *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Having two Feline Leukemia cats
>> >
>> >   ** **
>> >
>> > I would retest the 1st one on the Elisa just to be sure.
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org <http://www.furkids.org/>*
>> > ***
>> >
>> >  
>> >
>> > ** **
>> >   --
>> >
>> > 

Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!

[Beth]

Our shelter does not allow our cats to be declawed. We tell them about 
declawing , offer free nail clipping at the shelter, or suggest they adopt an 
already declawed cat.
I don't  agree with having laws against declawing. I think you will just end up 
with more cats being dumped in shelters of outside. I think education is the 
best way to get people away from declawing.

 
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From: tamara stickler 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!


I never place a rescue cat with a person if they are going to declaw - BUT - I 
DO offer free nail clipping for the duration for any cats that I place in homes 
(as long as they are local...w/in 1.5 hrs.) for the life of the cat.
 
I even have a woman who I turned down for cat adoption - that adopted from a 
shelter later - that asks me to come over once or twice a month to clip the 
cat's nails.  She still doesn't understand HOW or WHY it is inhumane - even 
after I explained it to herbut - it really doesn't matter.  She is allowing 
her cat to keep it's nails a long as I clip them - so- I'm willing to do that.
 
Terri - WAY TO GO standing your ground!  - even if it did cost you an apt. and 
job.  Good kharma will be the pay off for you!  
 
Tamara

--- On Sat, 8/27/11, Natalie  wrote:


>From: Natalie 
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Declawing - list of countries where it is illegal!
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Date: Saturday, August 27, 2011, 9:44 AM
>
>
> 
>A question about which states do NOT allow declawing: 
>http://cats.about.com/od/declawing/f/uslaws.htm 
>A list of countries where declawing is illegal: 
>http://www.declawing.com/list.html
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown
>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 9:52 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>  
>Paws come with claws.  Period.  I once lost a job opportunity (which came with 
>a free apartment) because the owner wanted me to declaw.  I told him:  
>"Unfortunately for you, it will NEVER happen, because I believe it's cruelty 
>to animals."
> 
>Needless to say, I never got called for a second interview.
> 
>And I'd do it again.
> 
>I think I was about 37 at the time.  I've always had a big mouth.
> 
>=^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6 
>furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi =^..^=
>- Original Message - 
>>From:Natalie 
>>To:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>>Sent:Friday, August 26, 2011 8:04 PM
>>Subject:Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>> 
>>I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously- it is the most 
>>devastating thing for a cat.  Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken 
>>doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me.  I wonder how 
>>a cat would feel if  
>>he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their 
>>paws mutilated?  According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that 
>>Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that 
>>they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering 
>>in the corner, something that their owners will never see.  I have a copy of 
>>an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman 
>>writes about declawing her older cat because her mother's oriental rug was 
>>being scratched up.  It is one of my hand-out's to adopters - the story is 
>>heartbreaking, and very typical.  After the hurricane is over, I will scan it 
>>and post it.  It is probably the best I've read, without going into the gory 
>>details of declawing. 
>>Natalie 
>>  
>>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika
>>Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
>>  
>>Sorry!  This is a 62 email thread in gmail.  I don't know how your email 
>>program organizes stuff.  Anyway I did not look at the date.
>>
>>I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death 
>>after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them.  
>>Hopefully I will not need to make that choice.   
>>On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie  wrote:
>>OMG - you are responding to a post from March..I thought that I was going 
>&

Re: [Felvtalk] Fletch

[Beth]

Awww...Poor baby. Thank you so much for trying to help him. At least he knew he 
was loved.

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From: Marcia Baronda 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 12:26 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fletch

Hi everyone

Very sad night, fletch got really bad, started crying and having a hard time 
breathing. I called the vet and asked that he be put to sleep. Well, we didn't 
make it, Fletch died on the way there. I feel so bad that he had to suffer like 
that. But he no longer will. He was just a few weeks over a year old. He was 
loved so very much during his short life.

Thanks for all your help
Marcia

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Re: [Felvtalk] reply/hi reply

[Beth]

They've been together before without the FIV cat being vaccinated?

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From: dot winkler 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply/hi reply


Hi.  I have been reading so much input from everyone.  It is really very eye 
opening.  O.K.  Perhaps the cats can be mixed.  However, as I said,the trio 
don't get along. I would still need to place Chloe (FELV).  I would love to see 
her in a home with just one other cat, so she can bond.  Probably an FELV cat.  
So, if you think you can help, i would just love it.  I am so at a quandry what 
to do.  
She loves my other cat, Lion (FIV).  They were from the same clan.  However, I 
just truly am concerned about mixing the two together and placing together.  
I may, however, consider this.  They were the "Dynamic Duo".  Playing and 
licking and sleeping together.  I am open for any help anyone can offer to 
place Chloe and/or possibly Chloe/Lion.  I can send pictures.  They are both 
cute.  Dotty



From: katskat1 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] reply

As it appears you really don't want to keep this cat perhaps you can
let us know where you live so we can try and help?

Kat

On 9/7/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:
> I have been mixig felv pos and neg since 2008 and no problems yet.  Everyone
> passed their physical with flying colors this year.  Agai, I think giving
> quality food, love, a stable home and lots of exercise and clean water (I
> use fountains) is the key.  This way, thei immune systems are operating at
> peak and bette able to resist infections.
>
>
>  Gloria Lane  wrote:
>> It's certainly personal  choice, I certainly understand.  Like I say, I've
>> mixed for several years and never had problems. I mix w FIV cats too. FIV
>> cats seem to have some problems with uri and gingivitis, never had one get
>> Felv. I
 think vets don't have much experience w FIV or Felv cats except
>> for the sick ones that come in and book learning, and the party line is to
>> isolate Felv cats  so i understand. But I still find varying opinions
>> among vets some more flexible than others.
>>
>> Gloria
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 7, 2011, at 4:50 PM, dot winkler  wrote:
>>
>> > Hi - I have been reading a lot of people saying that they have been
>> > mixing the cats.  But I called my vet and he again said that it is
>> > risky.  There is still a risk and chance the others could get it.  And
>> > they may not pull out of it like my cat Chloe FELV) did during the first
>> > fever.  I
 wouldn't want my other cat, Kitty to come down with it.  The
>> > other male cat I have, Lion, has AIDS (FIV).  I think he would be more
>> > susceptible of getting it even though he's been boostered with the
>> > Leukemia booster.
>> > I would like to adopt Chloe out (FELV) also because the trio don't get
>> > along.  They only get along in two's.  In other words, Chloe and Lion
>> > get along.  But when you put Kitty into the mix, they become
>> > territorial.  Vice versa.  Kitty now gets along with Lion since Chloe
>> > has been out of the picture.  I would love to find Chloe a home with one
>> > other feline leukemia cat so she can have a buddy.  I am still trying.
>> > But I'm open to ideas and input.  Dotty
>> >
>> > From: Terri Brown 
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 7, 2011 4:22 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
>> >
>> > Dot,  if your other cats are current on vaccinations and are negative, I
>> > see no reason why you shouldn't mix them.  Like I've said before, I've
>> > mixed mine in the past and never have I had a negative become infected.
>> >
>> > My 2 cents.
>> >
>> > =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Travis, Dori and 6
>> > furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome and Sammi
>> > =^..^=
>> > - Original Message
 -
>> > From: dot winkler
>> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> > Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:02 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] REPLY FROM DOT
>> >
>> > Hi April - My vet didn't know anything about the 5 stages of the
>> > disease  Can you believe this.  O.K.  So, what do you know about the
>> > 5 stages?  What does it mean?  I think I heard that 

Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today

[Beth]

So sorry to hear about BreAnne. I can tell you loved her very much.
Beth

czadna sacarawicz  wrote:

>
>
>hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge.
> 
>The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would 
>be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes).  The local vet was no 
>stranger to her.
> 
>She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays.  Our usual vet was not able to 
>give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing.  I came home and 
>let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark.  
>I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning.  She lay there awhile and left 
>and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began 
>calling her in midafternoon.
> 
>Mama (no relation to her)  washed her last night.  Physically, it was time.  
>You had counseled me that I would know.
> 
>Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem "Whoever brought me to the 
>tavern will have to take me home".
> 
>BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old.  Her playmate ToriRose 
>left in February 2010.  Isaac left in February 2011.  She got really thin last 
>fall and then rebounded.  You helped me with her this spring when she quit 
>eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef.  She rebounded in July.  
>will leave it there.
> 
>Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope.   
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

[Beth]

Our shelter doesn't adopt out ANY cat to anyone who smokes indoors. FeLV cats 
(actually all cats) need a clean, healthy environment.

 
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From: Cindy McHugh 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 12:02 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk]  FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke


 
Hi,
 
We have someone interested in adopting our FeLV+ 
boy and it sounds like a great home, but the gentleman smokes. Does anyone know 
if this would be a considerable risk for a FeLV cat? I know smoke isn't good 
for 
humans or cats, but I'm wondering if the FeLV would complicate matters. Other 
than that, it sounds like a great home. He'd be a companion to a homebound 
gentleman who's looking for company.
 
Thanks for your time and input.
Cindy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interesting FeLV info from a rescue group

[Beth]

We have a group here that follows the same guidelines, which is the Alley Cat 
Allies guidelines. I oppose this whole heartedly. I think it is so wrong to 
release an FeLV positive cat back into a colony. You are spreading a disease. 
Not to mention that infected cats are probably going to die a lonely, awful 
death. I don't feel the same about FIV, as long as the colony is closely 
managed & sick cats are re-caught.
This attitude simply gives those who oppose TNR more ammunition against it.

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interesting FeLV info from a rescue group


http://www.neighborhoodcats.org/HOW_TO_RELEASING_FIV_FELV_POSITIVE_CATS 

For FeLV, again the ELISA test is almost always the initial test used.  In 
contrast to FIV, the FeLV ELISA does not detect antibodies, but whether the 
antigen of the virus is present in the blood.  In other words, a positive test 
result indicates the presence of the actual FeLV virus in the blood.  But, the 
test is extremely sensitive and is prone to false positives from improper 
handling.  In addition, a cat in the early stages of FeLV infection can still 
fight it off.  The disease does not take permanent hold until it enters the 
cat's white blood cells, which only another type of test, the IFA test 
(Immunofluoresence Assay, also known as the Hardy test) can determine.  The IFA 
test must be performed at a lab and is more expensive.  Consequently, if a cat 
appears otherwise healthy, a positive ELISA test should always be confirmed 
with an IFA test.  Only if other severe pathological symptoms of FeLV are 
present should an initial positive ELISA
 ever be relied upon alone.
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Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV+ and Cigarette Smoke

[Beth]

unfortunately if you put on your application that you don't adopt to smokers 
many people would just lie about it. that's  why we don't put on the app that 
we don't adopt to people who declaw or let their cats outside.they say they 
don't, but you do the vet check & find out differently. second hand smoke is 
terrible for people & animals. If you smoke outside that's one thing, but not 
around animals or children.

ter...@tazzys.org wrote:

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Re: [Felvtalk] Miller

[Beth]

So sorry you lost this litttle love.

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From: Edna Taylor 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:12 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller


 
Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit 
more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't 
want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave 
him subQ fluids and vitamins.  I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got 
home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment 
center.  He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, 
he just hung limp in my arms.  I knew then that it was time to let him go.  
Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over.  
We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in 
our hearts.
 
I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, 
I shall hear music but none as sweet 
as the song with which you loved me, 
I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. 
Sleep soft, dear Miller. . .

1999-2011
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

[Beth]

Ditto. I've mixed mine for years, had negatives re-tested numerous times & all 
is well. I even had an FIV positive cat who mixed with my FelV cats for 10 
years. He never got it, either.
You might search the archives on "mixing" for more info.

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From: katskat1 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten

I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2
or 3.  Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives
(currently 8 of them) for years.  I keep the negatives up to date on
vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the
very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full
series of vaccinations.


On 10/8/11, john pollack  wrote:
> My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5
> cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive,
> and they are checked yearly
>
>
>
> 
> From: JoAnn Fredo <jufr...@yahoo.com>
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
> <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
>
>
> Message body
> I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens,
> and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma,
> Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma
> never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no
> problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of
> my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago
> we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative. This past Friday my
> neighbor's daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we
> wanted him.  He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have
> everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix
> positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success
> stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] King Pl;ease add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

Thank you guys for not only giving him a 2nd chance, but a 3rd chance as well.

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From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk 
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:10 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] King Pl;ease add to the CLS  :(


When this handsome gray guy first came to us,he sent one of our volunteers to 
the hospital after a surprise attackhe almost had to be euthanized for his 
aggresion,but another one of our volunteers took him home to acclimate him and 
he blossomed into a pretty sweet guy.So he had a second chance with us and he 
was a great cat who loved us very much as we did himhe lost his fight 
yesterday to this awful disease,he was with us at Sids for almost 3 years. RIP 
Kinger Dingers  :(
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten/QUESTION

[Beth]

I've mixed for years. You might want to search the archives for "mixing" as 
this is a common question & you will find lots of info. I always make sure any 
cat that hs tested positive has 2 negative Elisa tests b4 feeling confident.
Beth

dot winkler  wrote:

>But what about mixing when the healthy male cat likes to bite and plays rough 
>with the FELV pos cat?  They wrestle, lick, groom together and bite/nip as 
>they play and cuddle and sleep together.   Has anyone had mixed cats that do 
>this and my question is, is it safe in that situation?  It's one thing if they 
>are all just hanging out but if there is close contact, what is the consensus? 
> Is that a safe situation for mixing the positive and negative ones?  Curious 
>to know.  Please respond.  Dotty  - Freehold
>
>
>
>From: Beth 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 10:04 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
>
>
>Ditto. I've mixed mine for years, had negatives re-tested numerous times & all 
>is well. I even had an FIV positive cat who mixed with my FelV cats for 10 
>years. He never got it, either.
>You might search the archives on "mixing" for more info.
>
>Beth
>
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>
>
>
>From: katskat1 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:47 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
>
>I have 2 positives, one of them over 12 years old, the other about 2
>or 3.  Both of them have been intermingling with my negatives
>(currently 8 of them) for years.  I keep the negatives up to date on
>vaccinations and haven't yet had one turn positive although I kept the
>very young cats away from them until they were older and thru the full
>series of vaccinations.
>
>
>On 10/8/11, john pollack  wrote:
>> My cat, Tigger is almost 5. he was born with FeLV. he lives with my other 5
>> cats, ranging in age from 1 to 15. none of the others have teste=d positive,
>> and they are checked yearly
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: JoAnn Fredo <jufr...@yahoo.com>
>> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"
>> <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 7:19 PM
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] new positive kitten
>>
>>
>> Message body
>> I was apart of this list 09/2000 when my husband and I adopted 3 kittens,
>> and all tested positive. We lost little Vinnie at 8 months due to lymphoma,
>> Molly developed lymphoma and we treated it. She lived 4 years, the lymphoma
>> never came back, the feline leukemia took her life. Toots lived 9 years, no
>> problems until the last month of his life he developed bone cancer. All 3 of
>> my babies received interferon and dimethylglycine every night. Two years ago
>> we adopted 2 more kittens, they were negative.
> This past Friday my
>> neighbor's daughter found a cute orange tabby kitten and asked us if we
>> wanted him.  He tested positive, but it is not in his bone marrow. I have
>> everyone separated, and am looking for a home. I know may people mix
>> positive with negative cats, can you please tell if there are success
>> stories out there or if negative cats became positive. Thanks, Jo Ann
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] New needle-less vaccine for FeLV

[Beth]

Vet Jet has been around for quite awhile. My old vet started using it right 
before she sold her practice, & that was over 10 years ago. We used it for 
awhile at the shelter. They may have stopped using it because of the cost.
It made a sound kind of like a nail gun.

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From: Natalie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 2, 2011 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New needle-less vaccine for FeLV


I don’t know, I suppose you could check around or ask the question at this 
link.  I just discovered it myself.
Natalie
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 11:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] New needle-less vaccine for FeLV
 
I have looked all over for this. I assume we can't buy it outright?
 
Marcia

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On Nov 2, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Natalie  wrote:
http://www.petplace.com/cats/new-needle-less-vaccine-for-feline-leukemia-virus/page1.aspx
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid??

[Beth]

Here's their link:  http://crashslanding.org/index.html

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From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid??

For months I've been wondering what a Sids kid was. I knew they were
FelV cats, but did not know what SIDS meant.  I'm glad someone else
asked first..  I thought I should know :-)      Lorrie

On 11-03, Marcia Baronda wrote:
>    That's what I was wondering(-:
> 
>    On  Nov  3,  2011, at 7:40 PM, kat parker <[1]korruptaki...@gmail.com>
>    wrote:
> 
>    Oh, I am so sorry to hear this!  You go through this so much.  Please,
>    may  I ask you, what is a "Sids kid", besides the obvious of being one
>    of your FeLV+ kitties?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat

[Beth]

I am so sorry for your loss, Susan, but so happy you had 4 wonderful years with 
a loving, sweet soul.

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From: Susan Ang 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 7:33 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat


My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline 
Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a 
beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had 
almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very 
long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken.  I joined this list in 
2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. 
I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years 
- even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was 
precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be 
so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. 
~Susan Ang

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Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts for testing

[Beth]

An IFA will tell you if the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. Once that 
happens the virus will not go away, so If you want to be sure he is positive & 
will not throw off the virus you could do that. It does cost close to $100 if I 
remember correctly.
Even FeLV kitties who are initially sick can get better & stay healthy for 
awhile. Most of mine were strays & not in good health to begin with. You just 
never know. Some I've had for a week, some for years.

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From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] stray kitten positive any advice for me/ flow charts 
for testing


I'm sorry I haven't figured out how to reply to specific threads, maybe because 
I receive a digest instead of each post.  I'm using this site 
http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org to 
access the threads.  If someone can point me in the right direction about how 
to properly use this site I would appreciate it. I'm sure it is somewhere in 
the intro msg but I'm not thinking too clearly.  When I have a sick animal, I 
get very upset.  Anyway, I wanted to throw out what the vet who diagnosed this 
stray kitten using a elise test that was sent to a lab (not done at her office) 
 told me today..  She said she called to find the latest protocols about 
retesting and said that one way is to wait 30 days and repeat the test but the 
other way is to do an IFA now and I would know once and for all if the kitten 
is truely positive. I questioned her about what I was reading on the internet 
about waiting a longer period to see if the
 cat reverts or sheds, but she said this is what she was told is the latest 
protocol.   I did read some of you about your cats coming back negative after 
retesting and this gave me hope.
 
  Mitt (for Mittens) b/c he has them is eating well and his bad breath went 
away I guess from the antibiotics he is on. but tonight I saw he has 
dandruff/scaling in his fur on the outer ear.  Now I fear he does have a 
compromised immune system and a skin disease.  So I am bringing him back to the 
vet on thurs to get this IFA test and for her to look at the skin and tell me 
what it is.   I'm not sure I can handle a chronically ill cat again.  I took 
care of one of my older cats in the final stages of  kidney failure for a year, 
including giving fluids but there was no issue of keeping separate and fear of 
spreading illnesses to my other cats.  My remaining  4 cats were former 
strays/ferals that were over a year old when i took them in. I got them 
sterilized but never kept up on shots and testing  b/c I kept them inside and 
figured since they all lived outside more or less together if they had 
something they all probably had it by then.  I've
 had them all over 11 years.  I have yet to find a really good vet where I 
live. Most just push vaccinations and flea treatments. Most don't deal with 
stray cats. I've been calling around cat rescues and those that take positive 
cats are full and apparently the protocol here is that when they bring in 
strays/ferals to be sterilzied, they give them a SNAP test (is that an elise 
test) and if they test positive, they euthanize them apparently b/c they will 
not return them to the colonies to spread the disease. So most don't have 
experience treating cats with this illness. 
 
Anyway, thanks to anyone who made it thru this msg and has any further comment.

From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: stray kitten positive any advice for me


 
thank you all for responding so quickly.  when i have more time I will review 
all archives. I hope i am posting correctly by sending these emails.  I see my 
post  is all chopped up (at least in my display ). Thanks for your advice.  I 
guess i will take things day by day.  thanks also for the  advice to get the 
other test as a follow up.i can only hope it turns out negative. I am worried 
about the redness of his gums which he is on an antibiotic for. Vet attributed 
it to gingivitis and teething but this was pre finding out the positive test 
results.

From: dppl dppl 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Sent: Monday, November 7, 2011 6:52 PM
Subject: stray kitten positive any advice for me


I came across this site, having just been informed by the vet that the 
abandoned kitten I took in three weeks ago. Before I took it to the vet,  I 
have been keeping it in a separate room but admit that since it seemed so 
healthy I let it out for little walks.  I have 4 cats over 12 years old. Other 
than walking on the same floors, they have not had contact with this kitten.  
In our short phone call, the vet basically said that she would understand if I 
euthanized the cat and that she w

Re: [Felvtalk] "Off day" / couple of questions

[Beth]

Glad you are taking Dublin to the vet Friday. You can never be to careful with 
these guys. The vet should definitely check for anemia. You can look at his 
gums & make sure they are pink yourself. I've hear of FeLV cats having one eye 
dialated sometimes, but I'm not sure what causes that.

I hope Dublin has a good check-up.

Beth

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From: Anne Myles 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2011 9:29 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] "Off day" / couple of questions

My Dublin seems to be doing quite well over all, happy and playful most days 
and eats anything that isn't nailed to the floor.  Once or twice, though, he's 
had an "off day," most recently Sunday.  On Sunday, he kept his eyes shut or 
barely squinted them open, and he seemed lethargic.  He did eat normally.  By 
Sunday night he seemed to be coming around and was fine yesterday and today, 
with normal activity.  Any insight into this?

He does sort of squint one or both eyes at time, but I've had his eyes examined 
by the vet (with the machine that looks into the back of the eye) after the 
last day he squinted badly and no signs of disease were found.  His pupils are 
not as reactive to light as most cats' and tend to stay (evenly) dilated, but 
they do react some and the vet didn't seem worried about it.  No signs of eye 
infection or URI then or now.

I'm also noticing he drinks quite a bit of water.  I read that FeLV can cause 
kidney disease?  Is this something I should be concerned about?

I'm thinking of taking Dublin to the vet Friday (when I have a little more 
time) even if he acting fine and asking for bloodwork so we can see where we 
are.  Is there anything I should ask my vet particularly to look into or 
examine?  He's an excellent vet and very supportive about Dublin but I'm not 
sure whether he'll be thinking about all the things he should look for in a 
FeLV+ cat.

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Re: [Felvtalk] new member

[Beth]

Debbie -

There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year old 
cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his previous 
test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to show a 
positive test.
Prednisone depresses the immune system & should only be used in conjunction 
with a specific medical diagnosis.
Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad he 
cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis?

Beth

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From: "danbin...@netzero.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] new member

Boy, am I glad to find this website and group.

I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV.

He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago.  I took him to the vet who was unable 
to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits.  I was 
unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step.  She decided, 
with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis.

Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant)

After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs for 2 
years.

Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I 
described Buster she said she thought FeLV.  She said if he had a liver 
disease, I would see jaundice.  Buster does have a number of clinical signs:  
little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, 
occasional eye problems.  No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea.

In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test which 
was negative.

I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year old 
rescue into the home.  All of my cats (3) are indoor only

I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there any 
cats being treated only with prednisolone?  I am not able to take Buster to the 
vet due to a number of reasons.  After almost 3 years, he has taken a big turn 
for the worse.  Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding), but I don't think so, 
this time

Thank you so much

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Re: [Felvtalk] new member

[Beth]

A lot of vets think Stomatitis = FeLV, so that may be why she said she thought 
he had it.
Only one of my FeLV cats ever got Stomatitis & I had a negative cat that did 
have it.

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From: Marta Gasper 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member


Debbie
Welcome to the group_albeit circumstances but thats how most of us got here_I 
agree with Beth.
The symptoms you describe could be a number of diseases. No way to tell for 
sure if he has FeLV until he's been tested with a definitive test like an IFA, 
though in his case and given his age I'd say his former negative result is what 
it is.
I wonder why the vet thought it could be FeLV, specially since he has no 
diarrea/soft stools, blood disorders(wich show as blodd in stool). I wouldn't 
give him pred unless it is just supportve care, it suppreses the inmune system, 
the last thing any cat needs.
However if he has stomatitis I would.
I've had and have FeLV+s cats.
The one I've now is close to last stages, he's playful and animated but has a 
chronic URI, soft stools and bloody diahrrea, thrifty coat, sometimes he 
staggers, keeps getting sores, sneezes blood sometimes, that is because can't 
coagulate well, eats like a horse and hasn't gained an ounce. Well he has 
lately but my other cats would be basketballs if they ate like he does.
Besides he tested twice + on the ELISA and comes from a household where most 
cats were FeLV+. A hoarding situation, very sad but at least he has a better 
life now tho very limited.
Anyways I'd run a test first, to me I wouldn't jump to conclusions, stomatitis 
or other disorder sure could be. Don't put him on pred(steroids or 
glucocorticoids.
M

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--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Beth  wrote:


>From: Beth 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new member
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 5:06 PM
>
>
>Debbie -
>
>
>There is no way to tell is he has FeLV without a blood test.Was the 11 year 
>old cat tested for FeLV? Just wondering how he would have gotten it if his 
>previous test were negative, though it can take 3 months for the bloodwork to 
>show a positive test.
>Prednisone depresses the immune system & should only be used in conjunction 
>with a specific medical diagnosis.
>Are his gums pink? He may be suffering from anemia. Is the stomatitis so bad 
>he cannot eat? Was the Pred given to him for the Stomatitis?
>
>
>Beth
>
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> 
>
>
>
>
> From: "danbin...@netzero.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:50 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] new member
>
>Boy, am I glad to find this website and group.
>
>I think my kitty, Buster (15 yo, neutered male), has FeLV.
>
>He stopped eating about 2 1/2 years ago.  I took him to the vet who was unable 
>to diagnose what was wrong with Buster, even after several visits.  I was 
>unable to get an ultrasound, which she said was the next step.  She decided, 
>with the information that she had, that Buster had cholangiohepatitis.
>
>Vet put him on 5 mg prednisolone and Cyroheptadine (appetite stimulant)
>
>After trying to wean him off, unsuccessfully, he had been on these drugs
 for 2 years.
>
>Yesterday, I was speaking to a (different) vet on the phone, and when I 
>described Buster she said she thought FeLV.  She said if he had a liver 
>disease, I would see jaundice.  Buster does have a number of clinical signs:  
>little appetite, slow but extreme weight loss, minor stomatitis, poor coat, 
>occasional eye problems.  No fever, no wounds, no diarrhea.
>
>In 2009, Buster's last blood test (which was fine), he had the ELISA test 
>which was negative.
>
>I forgot to mention that Buster did not get sick until I brought an 11 year 
>old rescue into the home.  All of my cats (3) are indoor only
>
>I guess my question, after this very long explanation (sorry), is are there 
>any cats being treated only with prednisolone?  I am not able to take Buster 
>to the vet due to a number of reasons.  After almost 3 years, he has taken a 
>big turn for the worse.  Usually, rebounds (with syringe feeding),
 but I don't think so, this time
>
>Thank you so much
>
>debbie  & buster 
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Re: [Felvtalk] heart murmur; intermittent fresh blood in stool

[Beth]

Heart murmurs can get worse with time. They might not require meds at first but 
may later. Usually they have you go for an echocardiogram. My cat was on 5 
pills per day. I believe there is a Yahoo group for cats with this condition. 
They may be more helpful than this list.
Beth


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>
>There is always so much going on with us and our beloveds plus comings & 
>leavings.
> 
>I hesitate to interrupt but this is important to me  - - to us.
> 
>Pookashay was diagnosed with heart murmur in May 2010.  Nothing was said re:  
>need for med.  Different vet listened to in spring 2011.  Nothing was said re: 
> murmur.  Now same vet hears and wants to put on meds; wants work-up.  In what 
>circumstances would you put on meds?
> 
>Meaow is cat abandoned at TS which had abscess under jaw in October.  had 
>treated; then neutered about 2 weeks later.  now has intermittent fresh blood 
>in stool.  stools are small & dark.  no problems before.  vet found no 
>coccidia or worms in stool sample.  again vet wants to put on meds.   feed 
>canned food.  he wants to own me but keep caged in bedroom because SPCA 
>accepted him for their waiting list.  fe leukemia cats are in main part of 
>small apartment.   comments?  he is negative; has been vaccinated.  a fighter 
>& biter who is also very sweet.
> 
>finally, Yahmuna is FIV cat which came to my door very, very sick last 
>Thanksgiving.   SPCA accepted her in July for adoption center placement.  went 
>to see her yesterday.  very, very congested.  on antibiotics.  she is their 
>cat now.  HOW CAN I HELP HER?
> 
>thank you.
> 
>czadna, Mama & Scrumptious & Luscious and Pookashay & Shallie Marie & Harold & 
>James (and Meaow and Piedy Sven and Hope & Rasha Boo and Lila Bea - all on 
>SPCA waiting list)
> 
> 
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] "A Place For Us"

[Beth]

Bless you for giving this sweet boy a life.
Beth

"Wolf, Leah R."  wrote:

>  
>
>This was just what I needed today.  My beloved Buddy, a felv+ Maine Coon
>whom I adopted nearly 6 years ago, died this morning.  He was about 9 years
>old, maybe more.  He had been abandoned at a shelter as a young cat and I
>adopted him to be a companion to my other positive cat.  I am grateful that
>the end came quickly and quietly, but I am heartbroken.  He was the best cat
>ever.  He came running when I called him, he slept every night In my bed and
>snuggled on my lap like a giant beanie baby, he got along patiently with the
>other cats we have taken in. He had no "meow", just a croak, but had the
>most eloquent eyes.  Many times I wished he could talk.  I know that a piece
>of him will be with me until we meet again. 
>
>Leah
>
>From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
>[mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sheila Coyle
>Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 7:53 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] "A Place For Us"
>
> 
>
>
>For those who have suffered a loss of a dear pet, this tribute is one of my
>all time most favorite compassionate, hopeful, and consoling readings.   
>
>Credit to the writer:  Terri Onorato 
>
>http://www.angelbluemist.com/aplaceforus.html
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Interesting: Cats Have Blood Types, Too

[Beth]

Yes, I had a kitty with Hemobartonella (sp?) who needed a blood transfusion & 
this was an issue. 

Beth

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 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 2:57 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interesting: Cats Have Blood Types, Too
 

Cats Have Blood Types, Too
by JaneA Kelley, Cat expert and animal communicator  
 
   Cats have three blood types: A, B, and AB. Most non-pedigreed cats, as well 
as American Shorthairs, Siamese and other Oriental breeds, have Type A. Devon 
Rex, Cornish Rex, and about 15 percent of Persian and Abyssinian cats have type 
B. Type AB is rare, but it has been found across a number of breeds. 

Cats, like humans, can have potentially fatal reactions if given the wrong 
blood type. But don't worry -- if your vet can't find a donor in your area, 
there are kitty blood banks, too!  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot' Pleases add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

They sound like beautiful souls :)

Beth
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 From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk  
Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2011 10:48 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Eliot and Verdot'  Pleases add to the CLS  :(
 

Last week we lost Sids kid Eliot,he has fought so much in the last year of his 
life...he was lucky to have a home of his own with a volunteer couple that 
takes home some of our Sids kids that need that extra attention.Love you Eliot.
Verdot' we lost yesterday...she was a CRAZY,goofy but sweet little black 
girl.We had the joy and honor of having the chance to love her for over 4 years 
at Sids. I will miss you silly little black beauty. :(
Sherry


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Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Beth]

It is possible the SNAP tests were positive & an IFA was negative because the 
virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP tests 
that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter stopped using 
them because they were not dependable.

Kat Parker  wrote:

>*Very scary.. see below..*
>
>--Original Message--
>From: Ellen Fawl
>To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Scary FELV test results!
>Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM
>
>I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is
>following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had
>them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested
>positive.  We had blood work done on one cat and it came back negative.
>We assumed the tests were done wrong so they redid them two days ago.
>All four remaining cats tested positive AGAIN.
>We had blood work taken on all four, sent it in, and all four came back
>negative.
>
>This is really scary stuff. Cats are killed all the time because they
>test positive. Had we heard about these cats being in a shelter &
>testing positive it's not likely we could have taken them in. The vet
>office in Santa Cruz is going to follow up with the company, but if
>there is anyone else out there tracking this stuff, I want to get the
>information to them.
>Ellen
>
>
>*
>
>Love and Katnip,
>  ~Kat~ =^,,^=
>
>
>
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>cat!"*
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Beth]

The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can have 
a positive SNAP & a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. It 
just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. 
Any test can be done wrong & labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens 
with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. 

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 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
 
The IFA is not testing the bone marrow, thoughthat would be yet another
test.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

It is possible the SNAP tests were positive & an IFA was negative because
the virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP
tests that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter
stopped using them because they were not dependable.

Kat Parker  wrote:

>*Very scary.. see below..*
>
>--Original Message--
>From: Ellen Fawl
>To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Scary FELV test results!
>Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM
>
>I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is 
>following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had 
>them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested 
>positive.  We had blood work done on one cat and it came back negative.
>We assumed the tests were done wrong so they redid them two days ago.
>All four remaining cats tested positive AGAIN.
>We had blood work taken on all four, sent it in, and all four came back 
>negative.
>
>This is really scary stuff. Cats are killed all the time because they 
>test positive. Had we heard about these cats being in a shelter & 
>testing positive it's not likely we could have taken them in. The vet 
>office in Santa Cruz is going to follow up with the company, but if 
>there is anyone else out there tracking this stuff, I want to get the 
>information to them.
>Ellen
>
>
>*
>
>Love and Katnip,
>                  ~Kat~     =^,,^=
>
>
>
>**"I'm Kat Parker.  I park cats."**
>**"Keep your kitties INSIDE, 24/7, 'cause an inside cat is a SAFE & 
>HAPPY
>cat!"*
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!

[Beth]

That's the most easy to understand explanation I've heard yet :)

Maureen Olvey  wrote:

>
>Here's how my vet friend explained things to me which will clarify a little 
>about what Beth is saying about the IFA test.
>
>The IFA test looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  It's not 
>a bone marrow test however, white blood cells are produced in the bone marrow, 
>so if the virus is in the white blood cells then it's because it's replicating 
>in the bone marrow.  If it's not replicating in the bone marrow the FeLV virus 
>could still be in the bone marrow but dormant.  You wouldn't know that without 
>a bone marrow test because it's just sitting there not doing anything and not 
>spreading or causing problems.
> 
> 
>So here's what the vet has told me about the all ways of testing:
> 
>The first screening test is the ELISA test.  The ELISA test can be performed 
>two ways.  It can be done using a snap test kit in the vet's office or the 
>blood sample can be sent to a lab where they do a "Well test."  The well test 
>is also an ELISA test that looks for small fragments of the virus in the 
>bloodstream but just done a different way and uses a much larger blood sample. 
> The ELISA test that is done with a snap test kit in the vet's office is also 
>called a combo test because it looks for FIV also.  Then there is the 3 way 
>snap test kit which looks for FIV, FeLV and heartworms.  I think the ELISA 
>test that is done in a well by sending the blood to a lab just looks for FeLV, 
>not the other two.  I'm not positive though.
> 
>So, the ELISA test looks to see if there are small fragments of the virus in 
>the blood stream.  Part of the virus could be in the bloodstream but not in 
>the white blood cells.  It gets into the oral cavities and bloodstream before 
>it goes into the bone marrow.  When it gets into the bone marrow it could 
>start replicating and then it gets into the white blood cells.  The IFA test 
>looks to see if the virus is in the white blood cells.  So from my 
>understanding, the virus has to progress from the bloodstream into the bone 
>marrow and replicate like Beth is saying to get into the white blood cells.  
>Usually once it's starts replicating in the bone marrow and getting into the 
>white blood cells the cat will not be able to fight off the virus.
> 
>FYI - my vet has also said that the 3 way snap test kits don't seem to be as 
>reliable as the combo snap test kit.
> 
>So that's a very simple and basic way of explaining the different ways of 
>testing and what they look at to determine what stage the virus is in as it 
>spreads throughout the body.  That's my understanding and I hope it's correct.
> 
>
>
>
>Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 08:12:39 -0800
>From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
>
>
>
>The IFA tests weather the virus is replicating in the bone marrow. You can 
>have a positive SNAP & a negative IFA. This does NOT mean the cat is negative. 
>It just means the virus is not replicating in the bone marrow. 
>Any test can be done wrong & labs can mix up donors with specimins. It happens 
>with humans, it can certainly happen in our pets. 
>
>Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>From: GRAS 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2011 9:21 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
>
>The IFA is not testing the bone marrow, thoughthat would be yet another
>test.
>
>-Original Message-
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 9:57 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Very Scary Testing results!
>
>It is possible the SNAP tests were positive & an IFA was negative because
>the virus had not progressed to the bone marrow. I also wonder if the SNAP
>tests that were positive were done on the new 3way tests. Our shelter
>stopped using them because they were not dependable.
>
>Kat Parker  wrote:
>
>>*Very scary.. see below..*
>>
>>--Original Message--
>>From: Ellen Fawl
>>To: rescuealliancew...@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: Scary FELV test results!
>>Sent: Nov 22, 2011 11:16 PM
>>
>>I need to share this so it can get to the FELV Lists and whomever is 
>>following this testing debacle. We took in 5 Persians last week. We had 
>>them combo tested with the standard Snap test. All five tested 
>>positive.  We had blood work done on one cat and i

Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

[Beth]

And then you have to deal with the smell of vinegar. Yuck!


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From: Susan Hoffman 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

The vinegar and water solution is a great deodorizer all around.  Poop and 
pee.  But you have to saturate an area, let it soak awhile and then clean as 
usual.



--- On Sat, 12/17/11, Lee Evans  wrote:


>From: Lee Evans 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Date: Saturday, December 17, 2011, 6:38 PM
>
>
>Unfortunately more than a few of my rescues "think outside of the box" or are 
>cross-eyed or something when it comes to pooping.  Will the strong vinegar 
>solution work on Eau de Poop, a really unpleasant combination when another cat 
>comes along and douses the blob with a generous helping of Parfume de Piss?  I 
>don't much like the odor of vinegar either but it certainly has it all over 
>the air unfreshener the cats produce.  I have to admit it's not entirely their 
>fault.  I have been away from home to many hours since I and most of the cats 
>were forced to move to another county to save the cats from the horrid gestapo 
>of Animal Control, and the boxes are always a mess, so shame on me.  
>Hopefully  once I get the rest of the cats to the new place things will be 
>different. However until then I still don't want to inhale the stuff.
>
>
>
>From: Susan Hoffman 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:55 AM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
>
>We've actually done half vinegar and half water and yes it can be used on 
>anything.
>
>We've actually incorporated the  vinegar and water into our weekly cleaning 
>sessions.  We fill spray bottles with vinegar and water and spray corners of 
>the rooms and cat trees and everything (hot spots, where cats do bad things) 
>and just spritz it all down and let it sit for 20 minutes or so before going 
>through the normal cleaning routine.
>
>After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and mop with Dr. Broners peppermit 
>liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and all.  But the vinegar and water really 
>deals with odors well.
>
>I have not used it in the washing machine yet but I think I'll be trying that 
>very soon.
>
>For the record I have never liked the smell of vinegar.  But the vinegar smell 
>dissipates and it really does nutralize odors
>
>--- On Fri, 12/16/11, ter...@tazzys.org  wrote:
>
>
>>From: ter...@tazzys.org 
>>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
>>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM
>>
>>
>>When you use vinegar and water what is the measurements? Can it be used on 
>>carpets?
>>Thanks!
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>> Original Message  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors From: 
>>GRAS  Date: Fri, December 16, 2011 7:31 pm To: 
>>felvtalk@felineleukemia.org White vinegar and water mixture is great to get 
>>cat pee smell out...where's the urine on? carpet, furniture, or just bedding? 
>>I also swear by X-O, it's available as an odor neutralizer and also 
>>cleaner/odor neutralizer. It smells great, comes in concentrated form, and 
>>you can dilute however you wish; can also be used as air freshener.
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Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors

[Beth]

I believe Whole Foods sells big bottles of peppermint soap

Beth

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 From: Susan Hoffman 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 9:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
 
Dr. Bronner's.  Just google.  A lot of health food stores carry  it.  You can 
also get it at drugstore.com.

--- On Sun, 12/18/11, dlg...@windstream.net  wrote:

> From: dlg...@windstream.net 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Date: Sunday, December 18, 2011, 3:56 PM
> Susan metioned Dr. Brer's liquid
> peppermint soap.  Where do you get it?
> 
> 
>  MaiMaiPG 
> wrote: 
> > Consider using rubber maid or knock off totes that are
> larger than  
> > standard litter boxes.  I really like Odo Ban for
> odor removal and  
> > have had wonderful luck with it.  I use vinegar
> in regular cleaning--- 
> > less toxic than many cleaners.
> > 
> > On Dec 17, 2011, at 8:38 PM, Lee Evans wrote:
> > 
> > > Unfortunately more than a few of my rescues
> "think outside of the  
> > > box" or are cross-eyed or something when it comes
> to pooping.  Will  
> > > the strong vinegar solution work on Eau de Poop,
> a really unpleasant  
> > > combination when another cat comes along and
> douses the blob with a  
> > > generous helping of Parfume de Piss?  I
> don't much like the odor of  
> > > vinegar either but it certainly has it all over
> the air unfreshener  
> > > the cats produce.  I have to admit it's not
> entirely their fault.  I  
> > > have been away from home to many hours since I
> and most of the cats  
> > > were forced to move to another county to save the
> cats from the  
> > > horrid gestapo of Animal Control, and the boxes
> are always a mess,  
> > > so shame on me.  Hop  efully  once
> I get the rest of the cats to the  
> > > new place things will be different. However until
> then I still don't  
> > > want to inhale the stuff.
> > >
> > > From: Susan Hoffman 
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 12:55 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
> > > We've actually done half vinegar and half water
> and yes it can be  
> > > used on anything.
> > >
> > > We've actually incorporated the  vinegar and
> water into our weekly  
> > > cleaning sessions.  We fill spray bottles
> with vinegar and water and  
> > > spray corners of the rooms and cat trees and
> everything (hot spots,  
> > > where cats do bad things) and just spritz it all
> down and let it sit  
> > > for 20 minutes or so before going through the
> normal cleaning routine.
> > >
> > > After the vinegar and water soak we vaccuum and
> mop with Dr. Broners  
> > > peppermit liquid soap, and wipe down surfaces and
> all.  But the  
> > > vinegar and water really deals with odors well.
> > >
> > > I have not used it in the washing machine yet but
> I think I'll be  
> > > trying that very soon.
> > >
> > > For the record I have never liked the smell of
> vinegar.  But the  
> > > vinegar smell dissipates and it really does
> nutralize odors
> > >
> > > --- On Fri, 12/16/11, ter...@tazzys.org
> 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > From: ter...@tazzys.org
> 
> > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] urine odors
> > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > > Date: Friday, December 16, 2011, 9:37 PM
> > >
> > > When you use vinegar and water what is the
> measurements?Can it be  
> > > used on carpets?
> > > Thanks!
> > > TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE & COLLIE
> RESCUESultan, WA.  
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> > >  Original Message Subject: Re:
> [Felvtalk] urine  
> > > odorsFrom: GRAS Date:
> Fri, December 16, 2011  
> > > 7:31 pmTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgWhite
> vinegar and water  
> > > mixture is great to get cat pee smell
> out...where'sthe urine on?  
> > > carpet, furniture, or just bedding? I also swear
> by X-O,it's  
> > > available as an odor neutralizer and also

Re: [Felvtalk] new to the group

[Beth]

So sorry about Daisy. I had a brother & sister FeLV positive. I lost the sister 
about a  year ago to lymphoma, but the brother is doing well, so every cat is 
different in how they react to this virus. 

I don't do anything special except feed them well. They get Blue Buffalo dry 
food. You can give interferon as a preventative.L-Lysine can be sprinkled on 
their food. My feeling is if it doesn't stress them out to give them a 
supplement then do it. But if you have to chase them down to give them 
something, you are stressing them out & doing more harm than good. 

I don't go through any heroic measures. The one time I did that it broke my 
heart because I put the cat through so much needless pain at the end. That 
being said, some people here do, & it works out. It is a personal choice.

BTW this is Feline Leukemia (FeLV) not Leukemia. They are totally different. I 
had a friend with a cat who had Leukemia.


Beth

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 From: Holly Shelton 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new to the group
 

Hi. Not exactly sure with Daisy as it all happened so quickly. The vet ran what 
I assume was the ELISA, as she was dying. He did not do the IFA.   I am 
interested in seeing how I can make Oliver's life as full of a life as it can 
be.  I was told that he has leukemia. I can confirm that with the vet when we 
go over treatment tomorrow.



-Original Message-
From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2011 1:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] new to the group


 
There is a difference between leukemia and Feline Leukemia Virus; which did 
Daisy have? I’ve had cats with either one. 
 
From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Holly Shelton
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 8:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] new to the group
 
Hi there. I just wanted to take a moment and introduce myself.  I am a huge cat 
lover.  I volunteer at an animal sanctuary and take care of the cats there as 
well.  I have extensive knowledge of diabetes and CRF, but leukemia is new to 
me.   
 
About a month ago, I noticed that my 4 year old Siamese mix, Daisy, was feeling 
a bit "off" so we ran some blood work and she came back severely anemic. I 
rushed her into the ER, where she stayed for three days and had two blood 
transfusions and put on various types of meds.  Unfortunately, her body just 
gave out and my cat sitter, who works with my vet, called me when I was out of 
town with my dad in the hospital, and said that they thought it was Daisy's 
time.  We believe that she had leukemia.  She was vaccinated, but perhaps it 
was dormant until recently. (Dad's ok).
 
I have three other cats of my own and had them tested and subsequently 
vaccinated.  My 6 year old Siamese, Oliver, tested positive after having the 
ELISA and IFA tests.  I want to see what I can do to help give him a good 
quality of life.  I am checking out this website and look forward to gaining 
the knowledge I need to.  My vet and I were talking about interferon, omega 
fatty 3's, pet-tinic, etc.  He is used to me doing my own research as I 
reversed the CRF and diabetes with an older cat who passed of liver failure, 
mainly by seeing what "real people" did to help their cats. 
 
I also have three foster cats, who live in their own room, and they tested 
negative and were also vaccinated.
 
I look forward to hearing everyone's thoughts, and of course, pouring over the 
website.
 
Thanks,
 
Holly
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

I cannot imagine having & uneutered cat in my house. The smell would get 
untolerable as they mature. I've always fixed my FeLV cats. The syress on them 
has to be worse than the surgery. I would not vaccinate for FVRCP. My one cat 
spiraled down hill quickly after the vaccine & I've heard of othrs having the 
same problem.
I would have the CBC done 1st.

Beth

GRAS  wrote:

>Vaccinating FeLV+ kittens is far more dangerous than neutering them.  However, 
>since they would be indoor cats anyway, no danger of impregnating any females, 
>I don’t see any real reason for neutering them.  If one considers that their 
>lives would not be that long, if they already exhibit symptoms, the only thing 
>that could happen is that they might start spraying and have very stinky urine.
>
> 
>
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia
>Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 11:48 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
> 
>
>My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
>vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
>him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
>would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
>
>Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
>did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
>much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to 
>being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
>now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
>
>- Original Message - 
>
>From: dppl dppl <mailto:dppl1...@yahoo.com>  
>
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
>
>Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
> 
>
>I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
>to be
>
>healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
>him
>
>neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
>
>claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
>
>their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
>experience?
>
>Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
>
>vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
>the 
>
>blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
>same visit
>
>when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
>
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[Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests

[Beth]

Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests indefinitely. 
Has anyone else in rescue heard this?

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Idexx combo tests

[Beth]

Oh ok. Yes we used those when they 1st came out. They were inaccurate so we 
stopped using them. So I guess there is no alternative any more?
Beth

Kelley Saveika  wrote:

>Yes, they now make "triple tests" (heartworm/FIV?FELV) which are less
>accurate.  Apparently their patent ran out.
>
>On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 7:19 PM, Beth  wrote:
>
>> Our shelter has been told Idexx has stopped making combo tests
>> indefinitely. Has anyone else in rescue heard this?
>>
>> Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

I agree with FeLV cats, but I never had an issue vaccinating my healthy FIV 
cat. I had to vaccinate him for FeLV as he lived with FeLV cats. I only gave 
him The FVRCP vaccine when I did a lot of rescue & was worried about exposure 
since I was dealing with a lot of kittens from bad situations.
Beth

Marta Gasper  wrote:

>Neutering won't do a thing to most FeLV+ but vaccinating will to all. It is 
>most stressful being intact and no release. A + kitty should have at most the 
>rabies vaccine and only that one. A FIV+ can have rabies and one another but 
>not FIV/FeLV.
>And it always depend on at what point(stage) the cat is. I would just give 
>rabies to a symptomatic b/c it is the law and no others, same with FIV.
>One would think that vets would be aware of it..even staff should be or they 
>shouldn't be working atr a clinic. If pets were people that were killed b/c a 
>nurse gave them the wrong vaccine it is involuntary manslaughter, at least 
>she'd lose her job if not her license, vet  clinic staff on the other 
>hand..argh
>Marta
> 
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>
>--- On Tue, 1/3/12, Marcia  wrote:
>
>
>From: Marcia 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Date: Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 4:48 PM
>
>
>
>
>My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, they 
>vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what started 
>him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I agree that it 
>would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
>did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he was 
>much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications due to 
>being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered this but 
>now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
>
>- Original Message - 
>From: dppl dppl 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
>
>
>I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested positive. He seems 
>to be
>healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months old. I am thinking I should have 
>him
>neutered but the local humane society refused to do surgery on a positive cat,
>claiming surgery could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered
>their positive cat after finding out it was positive and what was your 
>experience?
>Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why the vet give
>vaccinations before getting blood work results that showed positive. She sent 
>the 
>blookwork to an outside lad since she said it would be less costly and that 
>same visit
>when blood was drawn, she went ahead and did vaccinations.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

If the neutering was going to affect him it would have been right away. My own 
cat acted fine one day (playing in the yard under supervision) & at the 
emergency vet the next day with severe anemia. Cats are good at hiding illness. 
I know the anemia did not come on overnight. She was just hiding it until she 
couldn't hide it anymore. 
Don't beat yourself up over neutering your baby. That wasn't the problem. It 
was just this horrible virus.

Beth

Lynda Wilson  wrote:

>I agree, but admit, it had me thinking twice. It's heartbreaking that he was 
>fine one day and on death's door the next :(   I miss him so!
>
>Bless all the sick furry babies...
>
>L
>- Original Message - 
>From: "Lorrie" 
>To: 
>Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 3:07 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
>
>
>>I really doubt it was neutering that caused his death. Anemia is
>> one of the complications of FelV.
>>
>>
>> On 01-02, Lynda Wilson wrote:
>>>Sorry  to  say,  but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the
>>>time  we  did  not know he was positive because he actually tested neg
>>>for  it when he was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia &
>>>other  complications  due  to  being  FeLV  positive.  I don't know if
>>>getting him neutered triggered this but now I'm wondering since you've
>>>mentioned this.  Has anyone else heard of this?
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

[Beth]

vets don't want unvaccinated animals in their clinics because they are trying 
to protect against the spread of disease. I was at the vet a few months ago 
when someone brought in a puppy which clearly had Parvo & placed it on the 
floor! The vet quickly took car of the issue, but if others had been in there 
with unvaccinated animals it could have been a real problem.

Beth

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 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
 
It's really hard for me to understand why a vet wouldn't operate on a cat 
without vaccinations.  What if surgery is imminently required, does he wait 
until the cat is vaccinated, and then operate, even if it may be dangerous for 
the cat to wait?  This also means that a sick cat would have to be vaccinated, 
doesn't it?  Very odd! Natalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 9:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat

My vet will not operate if the animal does not have vaccinations up to date and 
if tey are running a fevor, have open wounds, etc.  He treats the wounds, fevor 
first, then when they are healed, does surgery.

 Marcia  wrote: 
> I have ALWAYS wondered that! How would they know until the cat never wakes 
> up. I bet it happens more than anyone knows!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 3, 2012, at 3:08 PM, GRAS  wrote:
> 
> > My veterinarian would NEVER vaccinate a cat that is even slightly under the 
> > weather…you are right, how would they know if cats have had any 
> > reactions
> >  
> > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
> > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2012 3:08 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> >  
> > I started making it very plain that I did not want the vaccinations at that 
> > time..and still had a vet give a rabies shot to a very sick cat.  When 
> > I expressed my displeasure, the tech informed me that "they had never had 
> > any trouble with..."  Given that most cats in this county, 
> > including the little one in question, live outside, he would never know.
> >  
> >  
> > On Jan 3, 2012, at 10:48 AM, Marcia wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > My cat Fletch also spiraled downhill after being neutered. But honestly, 
> > they vaccinated him with core vaccines AND  Felv, and I think that is what 
> > started him on his downward spiral. I didn't ask for that either. But I 
> > agree that it would have been much more stressful for him to stay intact.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > On Jan 2, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "Lynda Wilson"  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Sorry to say, but I had my kitten neutered at 6 mos. of age (at the time we 
> > did not know he was positive because he actually tested neg for it when he 
> > was much younger). He died at 9 mos of severe anemia & other complications 
> > due to being FeLV positive.  I don't know if getting him neutered triggered 
> > this but now I'm wondering since you've mentioned this.  Has anyone else 
> > heard of this?
> > - Original Message -
> > From: dppl dppl
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Monday, January 02, 2012 11:25 AM
> > Subject: [Felvtalk] neutering a positive cat
> >  
> > I still have Mitt, the kitten I found in October who tested 
> > positive. He seems to be healthy at this time and  around 7-8 months 
> > old. I am thinking I should have him neutered but the local humane 
> > society refused to do surgery on a positive cat, claiming surgery 
> > could trigger an immune system problem. Has anyone neutered their positive 
> > cat after finding out it was positive and what was your experience?
> > Thanks for any input. PS: Someone asked my in a prior posting why 
> > the vet give vaccinations before getting blood work results that 
> > showed positive. She sent the blookwork to an outside lad since she 
> > said it would be less costly and that same visit when blood was drawn, she 
> > went ahead and did vaccinations.
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Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]

[Beth]

FIP can be diagnosed by sending the fluid from the abdomen to a lab. Usually a 
vet can look at the fluid & tell it is FIP. It is a stringy yellow fluid. FIP 
is often associated with FeLV.
This cat is definitely NOT a candidate for a "sanctuary". She needs 
individualized care. 

I would never put down an asymptomatic cat FeLV positive or not & I would never 
let any animal die on it's own. That is just cruel.

Beth

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 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] [FelineLeukemia] Fwd: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: 
Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every day needs 
foster/adopter by January 4th [1 Attachment]
 

I just got this message from Karineh, who took Dolly to yet another vet (two in 
one day) at the urging of a rescue group that was paying for it:
>
>"the vet said your best bet is to put her to sleep. he feels there may be some 
>signs of FIP as well due to a flabby belly did a test and saw just a bit of 
>fluids, wasnt sure though.  he said the one eye looks to have just grown and 
>grown no matter what you were to do since he feels its felv related and there 
>wouldnt be any treatment 
other than removal. the other eye is not good either just not big. he 
said in the near future the other one may need to be removed as well and this 
doesnt get rid of her problems if she is FELV/FIP + it will go from one to 
another. he said if you want to wait till you conclude that the send out test 
was indeed felv then lets wait but without really say what I should do he said 
her prognosis is poor to bad."
>
>This is before the results of retesting for Felv via a lab ELISA and an IFA.   
>From what I understand FIP is almost impossible to diagnose.   Also, this vet 
>is not an eye specialist, as far as I know.
>
>Does this seem premature to you?   She plans to have her killed this 
>(Wednesday, January 4) afternoon, but is soliciting suggestions for 
>alternatives.   
>
>Do you all kill upon diagnosis (and in this case, before diagnosis)?  
>
>At what point do you euthanize and/or do you let them die on their own?   
>
>Do sanctuaries take kitties this far along?
>
>Are there hospice places for such kitties?   
>
>
>The cat must not be in a lot of pain, as none of the vets so far (a total of 
>3) have given her pain meds.
>
>
>Much thanks for your prompt input,
>Kathy
>
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
>
>Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:31 PM
>Subject: Los Angeles, CA -- UPDATE: Chipin! Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye 
>growing every day needs foster/adopter by January 4th
>To: khargrea...@gmail.com
>
>
>Update on Dolly:
>
>She went to a vet today and was diagnosed with glaucoma.   They did not 
>prescribe pain meds.  They did retest for Felv with a lab ELISA and an IFA.  
>This initial vet is referring her to an eye specialist, as she needs further 
>evaluation.   She is going to another vet tonight, the bills of which are 
>covered, as far as we understand.   However, today's initial bill of $250 
>needs to be reimbursed to the kind woman who let Karineh use her account.  
>Also, if the eye needs to be removed, an eye specialist's bill will also have 
>to be covered.  
>
>Karineh has set up a Chipin for expected amounts, which may be lower or higher 
>than the $1,000 goal: 
>http://dollytheorangekitty.chipin.com/dolly-the-orange-kitty-with-horrible-eyes-she-need-an-eye-specialist  
> Any amount will help---even a dollar!  Many people have offered to 
>contribute, so now here's your chance!
>
>Dolly may still need a foster while Karineh goes out of town for the next 
>couple of days, so you can contact her at Karineh Grigorian 
> if you can foster.
>
>Note that although Dolly is tame, she was pulled from a feral colony where 
>there are other tame cats waiting to be pulled.
>
>
>Much thanks and remember to crosspost!
>
>
>-- Forwarded message --
>From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
>Date: Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 1:24 PM
>Subject: Los Angeles, CA -- Possible Felv+ kitty with bad eye growing every 
>day needs foster/adopter by January 4th
>To: khargrea...@gmail.com
>Cc: Karineh Grigorian 
>
>
>The contact is "Karineh Grigorian" :
>
>This beauty supposedly tested (using what test, I don't know, so it may or may 
>not be conclusive) positive for Felv, and has an eye that is growing every 
>day.   The first picture is two days ago and the other two indicate the rate 
>of growth.  Steroid eye drops did not help or made it worse.  
>
>The current foster is going away on vacati

Re: [Felvtalk] Ollie & Leo

[Beth]

Thank you Tina for giving these 4 babies a life. While these baby's lives are 
short, they really do touch us & teach us a lot. 2 of my 1st FeLV babies were 
"golden girls", too - Hope & Miss Gussie. They too died within a short time of 
each other, but they taught me a lot about this virus & made me try to spread 
the word that these babies can have a life, not matter how short, & deserve to 
be given that opportunity.

Thank you again for taking care of these babies!
Do you know what happened to the mother? She may very well have the virus & is 
she is still not fixed or is outside, she may be spreading it...

Beth

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 From: Victory_Shout 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, January 9, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Myles  Please add to the CLS:(
 

 
I am new to this group, but I did want to send you my condolences. Rest in 
peace precious Myles.
 
I am Tina. I live in Pa. We had gotten a litter of 
four female kittens from a family whos add we responded to in the newspaper six 
months ago. Their kittens needed a home and my mom who is very ill and 
lives with us needed company. So, knowing that we didn't have the heart to 
seperate those kittems. We took them all. We homeschool our four kiddos so 
these fur babies quickly became all of our babies and God bonded our hearts to 
theirs. 
 
We had no idea that they were suffering from 
feline leukemia when we got them because they looked so healthy. 
 
Needless to say... six months later...
 
We laid Ollie to rest four days before Christmas 
and we just laid Leo to rest two days after New Years. Ollie and Leo were 
golden 
in color and we called them "the golden girls" they were always together 
and their siblings (who are still with us) are also always together. After 
Ollies death Leo just was not the same. She became very depressed and just 
couldn't seem to get over the fact that her sister was gone. 
 
We laid Ollie to rest and we put in 
certain items that she loved and parts of things from us. 
 
It is very cold here that when Leo passed just 
days later my husband offered to dig up Ollie lay Leo and her things that 
we had for her in the box with Ollie... so that "the golden girls" 
would always be together. 
 
That is what we did...
 
We are Christians... we know that in the big 
picture it really wouldn't have mattered if their 
bodies were laid to rest in the same box or not, but to us it 
meant the world to know that "the golden girls" were together forever even in 
death. 
 
We had a beautiful service for them in our back 
yard. First, Ollie then days later Leo with Ollie. 
 
We have your site to thank for the information 
on feline leukemia and the foods and vitamins that help to sustain 
life. We will forever be thankful for what these precious kittens have taught 
us 
about this horrible sickness. What a true blessing they have been. They taught 
us strength, love, and commitment. They taught us that love is an "action" 
word. Our hearts will forever be bonded with these babies. 
 
Whoopie and Jewels our other two calico fur babies 
(from that sibling group) are still going strong. We remain ever thankful for 
their continued health.
 
I just had to stop in and say... I am sorry to hear 
of your loss... and thank you for the information you share... it truly does 
touch lives... 
 
Tina 
- Original Message - 
>From: Sherry  DeHaan 
>To: Felvtalk 
>Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 5:17  PM
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Myles Please add to  the CLS :(
>
>
>Well we made it a whole 7 days into the new year before losing one  of our 
>wonderful Sids kids. Myles was a big gentle sweet lovin black and  white 
>boy.He has such a cute white chin.He will be missed at the  sanctuary by us 
>allI love you Myles
>Sherry
>
>
>"We who choose to  surround ourselves with lives more temporary
>than our  own,
>Live within a  fragile circle,easily and often breached.
>Unable to accept  its awful gaps.
>We still would  have it no other way" 
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Re: [Felvtalk] i hate this disease!

[Beth]

This is a seriously sucky virus! Thank you for the work you do to save all 
these babies. 

The threat of FeLV & other viruses is the reason our shelter never puts 
untested kittens on lactating moms. Although it is much harder to have to 
bottle feed, it is the safest ting for all involved.
I cannot believe the rescue you were fostering for was going to waive the 
adoption fee &  post the animals on Craigslist. Are you kidding? Predators 
just love "Free Cats" & Craigslist is notorious for predators.

Beth

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 From: Kat Parker 
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:03 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] i hate this disease!
 

I never set out wanting to fall in love with an FeLV+ cat.  I have been a cat 
rescuer for about 7 years, now.    I've worked indie and with several 501c3's 
in San Diego.  i especially like bottle babies and socializing feral kits, and 
did this a lot for one group here, until I got a litter of four wild ones, 5 
weeks old, where 3/4 tested pos for FeLV.  On 2nd snap 2/3 of those had cleared 
it and only my Awesome Opossum remained pos.    The "no-kill" group I was 
fostering for wanted to waive the adoption fee and put her on Craigslist.  I 
adopted her, myself, to save her, and now could not imagine life without her.  
She's 20 months old now, asymptomatic and seemingly healthy as can be.  I know 
when it "happens", though, it often happens fast.

I was brought two kits by a rescue I volunteered for,  in March, a one day old, 
Angelina Jolie,  and a one week old, Mimi.  I made a tough decision to try 
adding them both to a lactating mama who had herself lost 2/3 of her babies.  
She welcomed both...  what an odd family-with her own 3 week old kit, Kiwi.  
Mimi died of FeLV at 8 weeks old.    Mama and Kiwi, her kit, both tested neg.,  
Angelina Jolie was too young at the time to test. She looked and acted so 
healthy and vibrant until her final few days. I lost her a week ago tonight to 
FeLV.  I held my perfect miracle in my arms and tried to comfort her and let 
her know it was okay to let go...of her life.   ( I am bawling my eyes out 
right now, again.)  Tested my other 2 kits around same age (unrelated)--one 
pos, one neg.  OMG.  I am again worried for Mama, Kiwi, and my other 3 (adults) 
here.  This perfect world, such perfect angels, devastated.   All 3 teenagers 
not incl. Kiwi, had
 adoptions waiting, ironically.   I count my blessings my awesome Opossum is 
not sick.  

I hate this disease!

~Kat~



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Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociablecompanion for their FeLV+ cat?

[Beth]

I mix mine too. Have for many years with no transfer of the virus.

Beth

Lynda Wilson  wrote:

>Sharyl is correct. Just make sure you completely separate them until the 
>vaccination has taken effect. After she gets the first, she will have to have 
>the second one no more than 3 weeks later. 
>
>Lynda
>  - Original Message - 
>  From: Sharyl 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:27 AM
>  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very 
> sociablecompanion for their FeLV+ cat?
>
>
>  You know you can get your cat vaccinated and keep her yourself don't you.  I 
> mixed all my FeLV + kittens with my adult vaccinated cats.
>
>  Sharyl
>
>
>  From: Shanda Robertson 
>  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>  Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 10:09 PM
>  Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone in or near California want a very sociable 
> companion for their FeLV+ cat?
>
>
>
>  Hi, I am new to this list.  
>
>
>  I've just found out that a stray cat I've been looking after is FeLV+.  She 
> is an adorable, petite young female (1-2 years old) that I've named 
> "Munchkin" who is spayed, and otherwise healthy.  The most special thing 
> about her is that she LOVES other cats. She chases after them and tries to 
> play with them, and jumps up onto window ledges wherever she sees a cat 
> sitting in a window.  When I let her into my home, she ran straight to my 
> sleeping cat and snuggled in next to him.  I don't think she would be 
> immediately friendly to other people since it took her awhile to trust me, 
> but she now purrs and sleeps in my lap.
>
>
>  She would make a wonderful companion for another FeLV+ cat.  I cannot keep 
> her because my cat is FeLV-negative and unvaccinated.
>
>
>  I am lucky to have found a cat rescue to take her in on Monday, but she will 
> be confined separate from other cats, and this makes me sad for her.  Is 
> there anyone who wants her?  I'm in the Bay Area, California, and could drive 
> her to you.  Either before or after Monday (I'm sure I could get her back 
> from her new lodgings, but would rather not put her through more than one 
> move).
>
>
>  Photo: 
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>
>  She is very cute!
>
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

You all are so special to take care of these wonderful souls. You know they 
appreciate your love.
 
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From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk  
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:26 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :(

Through tears I am writing this,Sids has lost another wonderful girl 
todayFirefly got her name by chasing fireflies jumping and trying to catch 
them before her rescuer got her off the street. She was the cutest little tabby 
girl with the sweetest face and purrsonality. I loved her from the second I met 
her as I am sure many of us volunteers were smitten with this little 
ladyshe left us too soon but she will ALWAYS have a place in my 
heartwow this hurts..
Sherry
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than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way" 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing..not getting postings!

[Beth]

I don't think there have been any postings.

 
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 From: "ter...@tazzys.org" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 1:48 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing..not getting postings!
 

Hi all,
I haven't gotten any postings from you. 
As I may not be recieving if you are posting!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Kiss results bad..

[Beth]

I'm not a vet, but the HCT looks low, but I've had cats with it under 10. Has 
he been checked for Hemobartonella?

Beth

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 From: Amanda Vollaro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 10:51 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Kiss results bad..
 

 
Kiss's results are so bad that I'm wondering if 
there's really anything the vet can do at this point. Blood tranfusion? T-cell? 
Erythropoietin for low blood cell count? Results below: 
 
 
FeLV Antigen (ELISA)   Positive  
FIV Antibody   Negative
Result verified.
   
Superchem    
 Total Protein   
6.5  5.2-8.8 
g/dL 
 Albumin   
2.3  2.5-3.9 
g/dL LOW    
 Globulin   
4.2  2.3-5.3 
g/dL 
 Albumin/Globulin 
Ratio   0.5  
0.35-1.5 Ratio 
 AST 
(SGOT)   139  
10-100 U/L HIGH    
 ALT 
(SGPT)   33  
10-100 U/L 
 Alk 
Phosphatase   12  
6-102 U/L 
 GGTP   
<5  1-10 
U/L 
 Total 
Bilirubin   4.7  
0.1-0.4 mg/dL HIGH    
 Urea 
Nitrogen   40  
14-36 mg/dL HIGH    
 Creatinine   
1.0  0.6-2.4 
mg/dL 
 BUN/Creatinine 
Ratio   40  4-33 
Ratio HIGH    
 Phosphorus   
4.8  2.4-8.2 
mg/dL 
 Glucose   
104  64-170 
mg/dL 
 Calcium   
7.7  8.2-10.8 
mg/dL LOW    
 Magnesium   
1.5  1.5-2.5 
mEq/L 
 Sodium   
140  145-158 
mEq/L LOW    
 Result 
verified.
  
 Potassium   
2.8  3.4-5.6 
mEq/L LOW    
 Result 
verified.
  
 Na/K Ratio   
50   
 Chloride   
106  104-128 
mEq/L 
 Result 
verified.
  
 Cholesterol   
132  75-220 
mg/dL 
 Triglycerides   
161  25-160 
mg/dL HIGH    
 Amylase   
1514  100-1200 
U/L HIGH    
 Lipase   
25  0-205 
U/L 
 CPK   
213  56-529 
U/L 
 Comment  
 AST may be lower than reported due to a Hemolysis 2+ but is still 
Abnormal. 
 
    CBC    
 WBC   
9.1  3.5-16.0 
103/mL 
 RBC   
5.41  5.92-9.93 
106/mL LOW    
 Hemoglobin   
7.4  9.3-15.9 
g/dL LOW    
 Hematocrit   
23.6  29-48 
% LOW    
 The hematocrit in this 
patient is <27. 
  
 MCV   
44  37-61 
fL 
 MCH   
13.7  11-21 
pg 
 MCHC   
31.4  30-38 
g/dL 
 Platelet 
Count   64  
200-500 103/mL LOW    
 Platelet 
count reflects the minimum number due to platelet clumping.
  
 Platelet EST   
Adequate  
Adequate 
 Differential   Absolute   
%   
    Neutrophils   7826   
86   2500-8500 
/uL 
    
Bands   0   0   0-150 
/uL 
    
Lymphocytes   1183   13   
1200-8000 /uL LOW    
    Monocytes   91   
1   0-600 
/uL 
    
Eosinophils   0   0   
0-1000 /uL 
    Basophils   0   
0   0-150 
/uL 
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[Felvtalk] Fw: Kiss results bad..

[Beth]

Yes, esp. since Hemobart can be difficult to detect from what I understand. But 
he should turn around quickly with the antibiotic, if that's what it is... Most 
of my FeLV cats died from anemia, but it had nothing to do with Hemobartonella.
Goo luck with your baby,


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 From: Amanda Vollaro 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kiss results bad..
 

That's exactly what the vet said. Just spoke to 
him, and his response was: better get the antibiotic to treat for 
them into the cat as soon as possible, rather than waiting on test results. 
I agreed with him.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Beth]

Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa & a negative IFA means the Cat IS 
positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's why 
I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only means 
the cat may still throw off the virus.
It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem clueless 
when it comes to this virus. 
Hoping for the best for your babies.
Beth

GRAS  wrote:

>Hi, everyone:
>
>OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what happened
>to me, based on the note below:
>
>If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was diagnosed by
>the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a home, so I found
>another positive cat for him after 2 years of him being all alone (they
>became close buddies almost overnight). After I joined the group, I learned
>about the IFA test, had them both tested in June, they were negative.  I
>introduced them to the rest of the cats (I operate a cat rescue group from
>our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in September (euthanized), and Mr.
>Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home where
>another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, Mr. Tux
>started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The woman's sister
>is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately tested him ELISA &
>IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already in his bone marrow. They
>are heartbroken because their 7-yr old daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at
>first sight - he slept under her arm, the other cat, Riley, at her side.
>The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very sneaky
>virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux went to live
>with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a dog (Mr. Tux likes
>dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux
>since mid-June.  Since the youngest and oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at
>most risk, I started with our 6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old
>when he came to us.  We also tested a cat that had to have another blood
>tests for his ongoing renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little
>Hammie has a 1045.2 temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to
>have shown reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in
>September, of 104.4 temperature.
>
>I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The
>"middle class" will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, I
>hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing research into
>natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I have to cook for
>them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural Cat and Dr.
>Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
>Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe
>there's some advice ion there.
>
>The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even if
>the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means that the
>virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests positive on ELISA
>and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is negative.  Unless, of
>course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again a false positive, which I
>assume can also happen - there are so many variables, and it's a shame that
>so many false positives occur, and so many vets tell people to euthanize
>their cats just because they have tested positive.
>
>I have privately sent some info I found to the other two who have reported
>cats diagnosed with FeLV, too large to send to this group. I will send it to
>Lee as well.
>
>I am keeping my hopes up that my household won't become a FeLV clinic..
>
>Natalie
>
>=^..^=
>
> 
>
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans
>Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 4:31 PM
>To: felvtalk
>Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
> 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Sunday, February 5, 2012 3:44 PM
>
>My cat Moses tested positive for FeLv.  Since I have many other cats, I
>isolated him in a room in my house, retested three months later and he
>tested negative.  That was about 6 years ago.  He's still going strong and
>happy.   If Ginger is an only cat, just allow her to continue her life,
>retest in about two or three months.  Even if she's still positive, that's
>NOT a death sentence if she's happy and free from stress and physical
>danger. Feed her good food, clean water.  Think simple.  If she has a
>problem with something, it may be just 

Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Beth]

Yes, alwsys retest on a positive SNAP test, but there seems to be a lot of 
people who think a negstive IFA means the cat is negative. Thats just as scary 
as people not understanding to always retest a positive.

GRAS  wrote:

>"A positive Elisa & a negative IFA means the Cat IS positive" - Yes, UNLESS
>the ELISA was a false positive, which means that ideally, one should retest
>with the ELISA and see how it comes out (both positive or positive and
>negative) and then go from there
>Yes, it is amazing with all the misinformation...I remember reading things
>last year that are different this year (from the same sources...) makes one
>really wonder!
>Natalie
>
>-Original Message-
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2012 7:22 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
>
>Yes, that is correct. A positive Elisa & a negative IFA means the Cat IS
>positive, the virus is just not replicating in the bone marrow yet. That's
>why I worry when people get so excited about a negative IFA. It really only
>means the cat may still throw off the virus.
>It's strange your vet didn't make that clear. But then some vets seem
>clueless when it comes to this virus. 
>Hoping for the best for your babies.
>Beth
>
>GRAS  wrote:
>
>>Hi, everyone:
>>
>>OK - I guess this is where I should come in and explain about what 
>>happened to me, based on the note below:
>>
>>If anyone can remember, about 3 1/2 yrs ago, Eliot Spitty,  was 
>>diagnosed by the ELISA test to be FeLV positive.  I couldn't find him a 
>>home, so I found another positive cat for him after 2 years of him 
>>being all alone (they became close buddies almost overnight). After I 
>>joined the group, I learned about the IFA test, had them both tested in 
>>June, they were negative.  I introduced them to the rest of the cats (I 
>>operate a cat rescue group from our home).  Eliot died of renal failure in
>September (euthanized), and Mr.
>>Tux being such a snuggle bunny, was adopted three weeks ago to a home 
>>where another cat was adopted from me over 10 years ago.  A week ago, 
>>Mr. Tux started losing appetite, and developed 105 temperature.  The 
>>woman's sister is a veterinarian, knowing his history, she immediately 
>>tested him ELISA & IFA - both were positive, and his virus is already 
>>in his bone marrow. They are heartbroken because their 7-yr old 
>>daughter and Mr. Tux fell in love at first sight - he slept under her arm,
>the other cat, Riley, at her side.
>>The cats were friendly, but not close (but as we know, FeLV is a very 
>>sneaky virus). They will have to test Riley in about 5 weeks, Mr. Tux 
>>went to live with the vet who has a real animal-loving 3-yr old and a 
>>dog (Mr. Tux likes dogs). Bottom line is:  All my cats have been 
>>exposed to Eliot and Mr. Tux since mid-June.  Since the youngest and 
>>oldest or not-so-healthy cats are at most risk, I started with our 
>>6-month old Hammie who was only 5 weeks old when he came to us.  We 
>>also tested a cat that had to have another blood tests for his ongoing 
>>renal problem - both were NEGATIVE! However, little Hammie has a 1045.2 
>>temperature, yet was exposed to Mr. Tux long enough to have shown 
>>reliable results.  Hammie had an episode of unknown origin in September, of
>104.4 temperature.
>>
>>I will test the youngest ones first, then the oldest and weakest.  The 
>>"middle class" will come last.  I don't know what the results will be, 
>>I hope that they're all OK - but if it isn't, I am already doing 
>>research into natural things, changing their diets (even if it means I 
>>have to cook for them).  I am re-reading Anitra Frazier's The New Natural
>Cat and Dr.
>>Pitcairn's Natural Health for Dogs and Cats - have had the books for years.
>>Will also check out my Nicholas Dodd The Cat that Cried for Help, maybe 
>>there's some advice ion there.
>>
>>The more I read about the tests, the more it becomes obvious that even 
>>if the IFA comes back negative after a positive ELISA, it only means 
>>that the virus just isn't in the bone marrow yet.  If the cat tests 
>>positive on ELISA and negative on a follow-up ELISA, then the cat is 
>>negative.  Unless, of course, the ELISA was a false positive, and again 
>>a false positive, which I assume can also happen - there are so many 
>>variables, and it's a shame that so many false positives occur, and so 
>>many vets tell people to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Despair

[Beth]

She says in her email he is suffering.

 
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 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Despair
 
ONLY if you think or know that he is suffering - look into his eyes and ask
him!  You can usually tell.  I am so sorry!  My thoughts are with you!
Natalie

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Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Despair

I think my kitty is dying! He refused all food today. We tried to feed him
with a syringe but he is battling! Is it better to let my angel go to
heaven? I can't see him suffer like this! I love him too much! He is just
lying in the corner of the bedroom, hiding from us. This is a terrible
disease! Marinda !
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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[Beth]

Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died from 
anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a good 
preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start working. 

I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is a 
choice that only you can make.
My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them suffer.

Beth

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 From: "botha.marin...@gmail.com" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
 
My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but tried 
to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't see my 
darling suffer like this! Marinda 
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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[Beth]

I had the same experience, Wendy.

I pulled out all the stops with my first FeLV, only to see her suffer. I won't 
do it any more.

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 From: Wendy 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
 

I have just signed up for felv talk and truly appreciate finding this group!  
After fostering three kittens, our family decided to adopt them when we 
received the results that all three were positive for feline leukemia.  We kept 
all three and have one cat still with us who will turn five years old in May.  
I tell you this to let you know that I have been where you are with Ginger 
twice...in both situations, our kitties had severe anemia.  The first time, I 
know that I let our little one suffer too long due to my difficulty letting her 
go.  The second time, I knew when it was time to euthanize and was able to say 
a peaceful and gentle goodbye.  I listened closely when our vet presented the 
"options."  As Marcia said, it's a fine line to walk because you want to do all 
that you can do for your baby but you do not want to see him suffer.  I will 
keep you and Ginger in my good thoughts and am so sorry about the situation.

Wendy

--- On Tue, 2/7/12, Marcia Baronda  wrote:


>From: Marcia Baronda 
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Date: Tuesday, February 7, 2012, 1:30 PM
>
>
>Hi
>I just have to be totally honest here so that you and Ginger don't go through 
>what my little Fletch went through. I didn't make it to the vet on time. 
>Fletch died in his crate while I was racing to get him there to stop his 
>suffering. He died a horrible death, and I will never ever forget it. Now, 
>none of us can see your kitty, or what kind of shape it is in, but please, 
>don't wait to
 long. It's a hard decision because there IS hope for Felv cats. It's a fine 
line to walk. And I think it's very hard, anymore, to find a vet who will 
actually tell you to euthanize. My thoughts are with you. I'm so sorry you and 
Ginger have to go through this.
>
>Marcia
>
>Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. 
>
>On Feb 7, 2012, at 5:39 AM, botha.marin...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
>> already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but 
>> tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I 
>> can't see my darling suffer like this! Marinda 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Smokey

[Beth]

Cindy -

So sorry to hear about Smokey.  I have a friend who had this with her dog. She 
had the 1st tumor removed, but it kept spreading. She just kept him going as 
long as he was still happy & not suffering.
Give him lots of love. He has done remarkable living this long with this awful 
virus.

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 From: cindy reasoner 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:11 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Smokey
 
It has been a very long time since I have posted anything.  I first found this 
site when my Smokey tested positive for feline leukemia.  He had a hard time at 
the beginning with fevers but we finally got that under control.  He has gone 
over 6 years with no problems or sickness.  The other day I felt a very large 
knot on his left front leg.  I took him to the vet to get it checked out.  He 
thought it was probably cancer.  He removed it today but he couldn't get all of 
it.  He described it as having tenticles going in all different directions.  He 
is sending it off to be sure it is cancer and what type.  I have never dealt 
with this before and Smokey's outlook seems pretty grave.  Any opinions would 
be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Cindy

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Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger

[Beth]

Eating any kind of litter. And, yes. It's called PICA. They really aren't sure 
exactly why cats do it with anemia, except that they probably feel they are 
missing something. Same reason people do it, I guess. It somehow replaces 
something they are lacking.Mine would also lick the cement & brick fireplace 
surrounds in my house. 

I had to replace to litter with shredded paper. That they would not eat.
Once I see them doing that now I don't keep them going. I just don't want them 
suffering.

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 From: Kathryn Hargreaves 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 3:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
 

Eating what kind of litter indicates anemia, per Beth?

BTW, I use Yesterday's News.


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 4:51 AM, GRAS  wrote:

Eating clumping litter that contains sodium bentonite can be lethal because it 
can solidify in the intestines, if inhaled, can cause lungs to fill, can also 
block urethras. If the instructions on litter say “do not flush down the 
toilet” because it will cause blockage, it contains sodium bentonite, and will 
do the same to a cat.  They are not required to say so on the package, why?  I 
don’t know.
>Was that your question?
>Natalie
> 
>From:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kathryn Hargreaves
>Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 11:50 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
> 
>What kind of litter?
>On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 6:14 AM, Beth  wrote:
>Eating litter is a classic sign of severe anemia. Most of my FeLV's died from 
>anemia. At this point it's probably too late for interferon. That is a good 
>preventative to boost the immune system, but it takes a while to start 
>working. 
>I euthanized all mine at the point they started eating litter, but that is a 
>choice that only you can make.
>My thought are with you & your baby. I know how hard it is to see them suffer.
>Beth
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> 
> 
>
>
> 
>From:"botha.marin...@gmail.com" 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 6:39 AM
>
>Subject: [Felvtalk] News about Ginger
>
>My vet ordered Interferon and Cyproheptadine. The vet suspects leukemia is 
>already in  kitty's bone marrow. Ginger kitty refuses to eat his food but 
>tried to eat his cat litter last night. What should I do? Euthanasia? I can't 
>see my darling suffer like this! Marinda 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Urgent Advice Needed

[Beth]

So sorry to hear about Kiss. Poor baby.
Are sure he had Hemobartonella? Doxy would have been the treament. I had a non 
FeLV cat who had it.
So sad.
Beth

dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

>If you have any question about the antibotic and cannot get a reasonable 
>answer from him soon, I would go for a 2nd opinion.  Do yo have a 24 hour 
>emergency vet near you?  I can get to one i about 1 hour and they have a very 
>up to date set up with ultrasound and the works.  
> Amanda Vollaro  wrote: 
>> I am sad to say that Kiss (FeLV + Blood parasite boy) did not make it. He 
>> hung on for three days and fought like the dickens but could not shake it. 
>> 
>> What I need to know is why my vet prescribed azithromyicin and clavamox for 
>> the parasite when doxycycline is the only proven treatment. I cannot get him 
>> on the phone as he is in surgery, and I have another cat who has stopped 
>> eating and is lethargic. I need her to get the appropriate treatment 
>> quickly, she is the mother of most of our brood and is very special to us. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Amanda Vollaro
>> avoll...@optonline.net
>> 516-350-0131
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

Chronic upper respiratory or chronic allergies? My FIV cat got bad congestion 
every 6 months when the weather changed & I started the furnace or air 
conditioning. He was vaccinated for FeLV & lived fine mixing with my FeLV cats 
for 10 years. He was vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months when there were FeLV's 
in the house & he never got the FeLV. If it is actually upper respiratory with 
a fever, etc, then you don't vaccinate for anything,

If you are worried about  about fighting & transferring the FIV, you can have 
the FIV cat's canines filed down to prevent deep bite wounds & minimize chance 
of passing the FIV.

 
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 From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 

 
Purrs & Rubs from us to you and your beloveds on Valentine's Day.
 
you've got us!!
 
want to hear your thoughts please.
 
adult spayed FIV + cat is back in my household.  chronic upper respiratory.  
FeLeukemia negative.  recommend to vaccinate her for feline leukemia?  only 
vaccine she has ever received is rabies.
 
why I would ever think such a thing follows:
 
recommendations on mixing her with household cats, three of which tested 
positive for feline leukemia on combo test.  FIV + cat is feisty.  household 
female cat who lays down the law is FeLeukemia negative.  the FIV+ cat has 
never shared space with the household five.  she is presently sequestered.
 
thank you.
 
cz
Thank you.
 
cz


 

> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 11:38:24 -0500
> From: longhornf...@verizon.net
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Just so you know that the vaccination is only 80% effective. But it's a lot 
> better than 0% protection.
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Beth" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> 
> Fighting doesn't matter with FeLV if the cats are vaccinated. It is passed 
> in the saliva. Fighting will pass FIV. I mix all my positives & negatives, 
> too. Have for years with no passing of the virus.
> 
> Beth
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: john pollack 
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 6:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> My cat Tigger is FeLV Positive and has been for almost 5 years. None of my 
> others are, all vaccinated. They share litter boxes, water bowls and food! 
> They even sleep together! So yes, they can be integrated, as long as the 
> negatives are vaccinated, they do not fight or mate!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Ana Gutierrez 
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 5:49 PM
> Subject: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
> 
> Dear all,
> 
> It's been a while since I haven't posted to the list. Since my Beltza passed
> away, last year
> I am still in debt with you guys for all the support you gave me with her.
> 
> I cannot remember if I told you that I run a very small cat shelter in
> Cuernavaca, México, where I live.
> 
> Recently, we rescued two kitties which turned out to be FeLV positive (on a
> triple SNAP test, FeLV, FIV and HW, Idexx brand). These two cats are not
> siblings, they come from different litters from different parts of México
> City.
> We are aware that they need to be retested in 3 months in order to be
> completely sure that they are FeLV positive.
> 
> However, I have a lot of doubts and this is the reason of why I am posting
> again...
> We want to find nice and responsible families for these two kitties. Does
> these kitties need to be adopted as the only cat in the house? Can they
> share their lives with other cats? FeLV negative as long as they have their
> vaccines up-to-date? Can we give them together in adoption? Can they share
> their lives with other FeLV positive cats?
> We are also aware of the huge responsibility that is in our hands at the
> time of giving these two furry ones in adoption, we know that we need to
> find homes that are well documented, and that intend to keep them indoors.
> We would greatly appreciate any advice you could give us in order to ensure
> a great life for these two little guys.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lucky Louie and Britta Please add to the CLS :(

[Beth]

So sorry. At least little Britta got a chance for some love from you on 
Valentine's Day.

 Beth
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 From: Sherry DeHaan 
To: Felvtalk  
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 8:35 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lucky Louie and Britta  Please add to the CLS  :(
 

Well it was another heartbreaking day for us today at Sids...Lucky Louie was a 
sweet little orange guy that had a rough start before coming to us.His story 
was a hawk has dropped him in his rescuers yard. Somehow he ended up with us 
and we had a short time to have had the chance to love this great little guy.
Britta today when I was having my valentine visit with the Sids kids had a 
seizure right in front of me,it was the strangest thing I ever saw...but she 
came out of it,crawled into my lap and proceeded to purr and kneed my 
lapwas such a sweet moment for us. Well I just received an e-mail from Dr. 
Jen that little Britta collapsed and could not be helped...I will cherish that 
sweet moment I got to share with her today after she had scared me so.
Heart is heavy tonight,
Sherry


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Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind

[Beth]

Sometimes the sight comes back. We had a non-FeLV cat at the shelter that went 
bling after surgery & she slowly regained her sight after a couple weeks.

Beth

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 From: Anne Myles 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 11:32 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dublin woke up from surgery blind
 

I am devastated -- my FeLV boy Dublin had major dental surgery yesterday to 
remove the rest of his teeth due to severe stomatitis and feline resorptive 
lesions (his third dental surgery in six months).  He came through OK it 
seemed, and his bloodwork turned out to be very promising (his mild anemia 
around December had reversed with his hematocrit in the middle of the normal 
range).  But something seemed off with agitation and his eyes and the vet 
realized that Dublin seems to be blind.  He did all the ocular tests they do 
and nothing physiologically can be found wrong -- no detached retina, no bleed, 
no evidence of hypoxia, etc.  But only his left eye is even minimally reactive 
to light.  The vet believes the blindness to be related to the FeLV, although 
I'm still totally confused about the suddenness of this all.

Dublin has always had something weird about his eyes -- the pupils stay mostly 
dilated and while they constrict a little it's definitely not like a normal 
cat.  I wondered if he had an eye problem and could see well even before I 
adopted him and learned he was FeLV+.  But he seemed to see fine.

While Dublin is physically stable he is apparently extremely agitated and the 
vet wants to keep him at the hospital until he settles down and begins to 
adapt.  He was with him until 10:30 last night and says that Dubbie has 
scarcely been out of a tech's arms since.  (He is the most loving, 
people-oriented cat, and is not stressed just from being at the vet -- it's 
almost a joke how much he likes it there.)  I am crazy with distress and also 
with anxiety about bringing him home (have another cat, pretty rowdy, and a 
dog), though everyone says blind cats can do well.

I'd appreciate any encouragement -- or in particular any insight into a 
FeLV-blindness link.

Anne

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Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties

[Beth]

I had a cat like that - Sounded like upper resp because of 
scar tissue. She had been a street cat for many many years & vet 
said it was due to not being treated for URI's. They said they could do 
surgery & clear out the scar tissue, but it might come back, so I 
opted not to do it. She always sounded like she had a URI, but she 
didn't.
 
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 From: czadna sacarawicz 
To: feline leukemia list  
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2012 5:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties
 

 
Thanks for your comments.  I trust us and our insights and experience.
 
My heart and gratitude are with always at SIDS and today also with Dublin.  My 
Pooshie appeared to be blinded after being neutered.  It took several weeks but 
it wore off.  May it be for Dublin and you.
 
re:  Yahmuna:  FIV + I first wrote you about Jan. 2010. She came to my NC patio 
on Thanksgiving with goopy eyes very, very unwell.  Went into rescue in 
7.2011.  they finally had her on every 3 days oral azithromycin and 
azythromycin nasal drops.  She had chronic respiratory issues there.  air 
quality seemed good.  I took her to vet this past Saturday when I brought her 
home forever.  Vet's thinking was so much scar tissue/inflammation that she 
will always be loud breather.  He said to discontinue treatment and treat her 
when she becomes symptomatic.   I DID NOTICE THAT HER BREATHING SEEMED BETTER 
AT VET's OFFICE.  no carpet. Her breathing is loud;  This morning there was 
a wee bit of clear moisture draining from one eye.  I have humidifier going 
continually/ she comes for showers.  is sequestered in same bedroom where she 
was from 11.2010 - 7.2011.    THANK YOU!!!   cz.   



 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2012 06:44:18 -0800
From: create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] doubts on two FeLV positive kitties


Chronic upper respiratory or chronic allergies? My FIV cat got bad congestion 
every 6 months when the weather changed & I started the furnace or air 
conditioning. He was vaccinated for FeLV & lived fine mixing with my FeLV cats 
for 10 years. He was vaccinated for FeLV every 6 months when there were FeLV's 
in the house & he never got the FeLV. If it is actually upper respiratory with 
a fever, etc, then you don't vaccinate for anything,

If you are worried about  about fighting & transferring the FIV, you can have 
the FIV cat's canines filed down to prevent deep bite wounds & minimize chance 
of passing the FIV.

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie

[Beth]

Aw, so sad. I'm glad you were there with him when this happened. I had 2 cats who threw clot & passed away. On was FelV+ & the other was a non-FeLV+ with Cardiomyopathy.Hugs to you. I know this is difficulty..Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   From: Terri Brown  To: RQP ; felvtalk ; Persian_Rescue ; FLUTD listserv   Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 11:24 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] My Siggie   


 


 


  
  
  
  
  
  
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Hello everyone,
 
Some of you have known me for a while -- others not.
 
Just writing to let you all know my healthy, non-FeLV cat Siggie has left 
me for the Rainbow Bridge.  He was the last of my original group who did 
NOT have FeLV.  He was my FeLV+ Salome's companion up until she passed in 
2005 (right after I adopted Travis from Res-Q-Pets).
 
He was fine all day yesterday.  Then suddenly, he couldn't walk or 
breathe.  He was wheezing terribly, and was dragging his hind quarters 
behind him, soiling himself.  I rushed him to the local vet, who told me 
that he had fluid all in and around his lungs, was at end stage cardiac failure 
and had threw a clot, which is what paralyzed him.
 
The kindest thing I could do for him was to let them put him down -- but he 
ended up not needing the help.  They gave him a sedative, and before they 
injected the final shot of the pink stuff, he was gone.
 
Rest in peace and sleep well, my big orange boy.  Meowmy and Daddy 
will miss you forever.
 
 

  
  

  
  

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2012

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    Ruthie, 
Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato 
Vampire =^..^=

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Re: [Felvtalk] interferon strength and source

[Beth]

My vet got it frozen. Amazing your vet isn't researching this for you. Makes me 
wonder about vets...
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Re: [Felvtalk] Neutering a positive cat update

[Beth]

If the IFA & Elisa tests are both  positive there is no reason to retest. The 
cat is infected. The cost you mention is in line with what I've paid.
You may want to search the archives on "mixing". Many on this list,including 
me, mix their positives & negatives.
Beth

dppl dppl  wrote:

>
> My little found positive kitten, now growing cat I found was neutered last 
>week. He came thru ok.  As a precaution, 
>the vet gave fluids during the surgery b/c his bloodwork showed slightly 
>elevated in one of the kidney function
>areas which the vet thought might be due to dehydration.
>Sadly, he tested positive under the IFA test after testing positive under 
>ELISA in Nov. But he seems ok. Unfortunately
>I have to keep him isolated. Both tests were sent out, the ELISA cost 55 and 
>the IFA 85. 
>Is this the norm? If I didn't have other cats, I don't think I 
>would do routine testing if the cat was not showing any symptoms and i kept 
>the cat indoors.
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Re: [Felvtalk] (no subject)

[Beth]

Take him to another vet ASAP. He may have a treatable condition, not related to 
FeLV. Is he lethargic? Are his gums pink? Sounds like they looked at nothing 
once the saw he was positive. I've had many positives with various illnesses 
that they have gotten over because I had a vet that looked past the FeLV status.

 
Beth

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 From: Christina Warden 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 10:34 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] (no subject)
 

i have a male cat bout three yrs old whom recently gotten sick he started 
vomininting on the second day i took him to the vet they said he had felv an 
that there was nothin they could do he has no fever,he weights 8 pound. just 
throwing up they say i will have to put him down or will soon have to burry 
him;( im not sure what to do i share my lil buddy with four kids what do i do 
do i have to give up on him? im not ready to let him go do u have advice 
for me thank you tina an kids
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Re: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats

[Beth]

I lnow someone who used Coke in an emergency. Hey it had sugar & it worked!

Marta Gasper  wrote:

>What hapens with giving them a dab of honey is that it boost the blood sugar 
>so if they might start to eat. It is the sugar, not the texture. I've a rescue 
>group and fosters , we always use honey in cases when a cat stops eating, 
>specially with kittens and anemic cats. Rub honey or Karo on their gums so it 
>is absorbed by the skin, sugar goes directly in their bloodstream w/o having 
>to use energy to break up what they swallowed. Also give sugar water by 
>syringe, shoot in cheek pouch.
> 
>I wished the good foods were more palatable to cats, mine don't like them 
>either but they love Purina cat chow and Fancy Feast..like ppl we are not too 
>atracted to health food though;)
>Marta
>
>
>http://homelessnomore.webs.com/
>
>--- On Fri, 2/24/12, dppl dppl  wrote:
>
>
>From: dppl dppl 
>Subject: [Felvtalk] Mixing pos and neg cats
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
>Date: Friday, February 24, 2012, 10:58 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>Toni, i enjoyed reading about your family and your tips. I also put a dab of
>vicks vapor rub on the nose of  my cat that had the respiratory infection . I 
>tried 
>Wellness dry cat food but none of my cats would eat it. They like some of
>the purina one  dry food flavors. I tried the Tiki brand b/c I heard it was 
>good but
>after trying it my cats didn't really want to keep eating it. they liked the 
>tuna
>and chicken best or plain tuna.  I tired purina one canned but they
>don't really like it that much. They like some of
>the fancy feast and publix brand and target boots and barclay. I would prefer 
>they ate foods without dyes, etc but they seem to like the "junk" food. I give
>them deli low salt turkey for a treat every now and then. Re losing hair
>years ago I used to use frontline and it took the hair off the area of one of
>my cat's neck and it didn't grow back for years. some of my cats foamed
>at the  mouth so I just gave up.  I use a flea comb on them, drop the fleas in
>alcohol. I have a cat fence section of my yard and have been treating it
>with diamateceous earth, supposedly a natural flea killer. I have noticed
>fewer fleas so i will keep trying. 
>Another issue is kitty litter. My cats hate any scented. Re the corn and hard
>pellet, they refused to use it. I currently use
>Dr Eisley but it doesn't absorb as good as it used to. 
>
>
>
>
>
>From: dppl dppl 
>To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
>Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 3:10 PM
>Subject: Tips to share?
>
>
>
>
>
>On a different subject thought I might share this 
> 
>Re taking cats to vets:
>I often forget this in the stress of trying to help a sick animal
> but if you put an  t shirt or towel you wore in the carrier with your scent , 
>it
>seems to calm them. Ask vet staff to put it in their kennels if they are being 
>transferred 
>from the carrier they came in..
>Re getting a cat to eat:
>I recently had three older cats that were sick and were being treated with 
>antibiotics
>and wouldn't eat. One had upper respiratory congestion. One urinary infection.
>One reason unknown. They were on antibiotics but still wouldn't eat.
>Sometimes antibiotics upset stomach.
>Searched the internet and found a suggestion to put a dab of honey in
>their mouth. Don't know if coincidence or the antibiotics kicking in
> but it seemed to help them maybe soothed
>sore throat or stomach. I only put a dime sized drop on outer lips once or 
>twice . I am not a vet so
>if you are thinking of trying this,. 
>Check with your vet first, as i did to make sure no harm given your cat's 
>specific condition..
>one of the sites mentioning honey is 
>mia-carter.suite101.com/why-isnt-my-cat-eating-a60630
>has anyone else had experience with this home remedy?
>Cat with upper respiratory infection:
>I also put my cat in the bathroom when i took a steaming shower. I think 
>it really helped.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?

[Beth]

Distressed breathing could be a sign of anemia, but there is no time to waste 
posting on the internet. Please get him to a vet ASAP. If your breathing was 
like this you would go to a doctor.

 
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 From: Rashel Mereness 
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org"  
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 1:12 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
 

Hi - I'm new and have been reading the threads but I don't seen anything that 
addresses my situation. We have an 8 month old kitty that tested positive for 
FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we plan to get him retested. He has 
been healthy, playful and had a great appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he 
started eating less and less of his kibble, which we attributed to him wanting 
only the wet food we were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into 
his kibble but he was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away 
over the weekend and came back to find him very lethargic and breathing very 
heavy - not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see his lungs 
expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly.  He won't eat, except 
he ate some of his favorite treats.  We had someone (who he doesn't know) 
staying at our house Friday and then a person (who he knows) stopping in on 
Saturday and Sunday. They said he
 didn't eat much. No mucous, no sneezing.  Sound like anything you have 
experienced?

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?

[Beth]

When my FeLV cats are sick I don't even go to the movies without having a pet 
sittet check on them.
Beth

GRAS  wrote:

>BTW - it's never a good idea to leave a pet being taken care of by someone
>who knows nothing about animals.in the future,  try to get a pet owner who
>can recognize a real problem!  There are professional pet services that can
>be pricey, but if you call a rescue group, they can often recommend a
>responsible and reliable rescuer in your area who also moonlights by caring
>for pets when owners are away! Having a pet is like having a child; always
>leave pertinent info, contacts in emergencies like  vet offices, relatives
>or friends who can help while you are away.
>
>From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
>[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of john pollack
>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:30 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
>
> 
>
>get the kitten to the vetQUICK!!! after 2 days of not eating, cats can
>start getting liver damage
>
>  _  
>
>From: Lorrie 
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 5:28 PM
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Is my kitten having his first FIV/FELV episode?
>
>
>Please rush him to the vet immediately.
>
>On 02-27, Rashel Mereness wrote:
>>Hi  -  I'm  new  and  have  been  reading the threads but I don't seen
>>anything  that  addresses  my  situation. We have an 8 month old kitty
>>that  tested positive for FIV (or was it FELV?) at a young age, and we
>>plan to get him retested. He has been healthy, playful and had a great
>>appetite. A few weeks ago, however, he started eating less and less of
>>his  kibble,  which  we attributed to him wanting only the wet food we
>>were giving to the dog. So we kept mixing a little into his kibble but
>>he  was eating less but was otherwise fine. Then we went away over the
>>weekend  and  came  back to find him very lethargic and breathing very
>>heavy  -  not making a lot of noise with the breathing, but we can see
>>his lungs expanding and contracting a great deal and very quickly.  He
>>won't  eat, except he ate some of his favorite treats.  We had someone
>>(who  he  doesn't  know) staying at our house Friday and then a person
>>(who he knows) stopping in on Saturday and Sunday. They said he didn't
>>eat  much.  No  mucous,  no  sneezing.  Sound  like anything you have
>>experienced?
>
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[Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with cruelty

[Beth]

When will people learn not to "dump" their animals at these 
"sanctuaries"??

http://www.wctv.tv/news/headlines/Caboodle_Ranch_Cat_Sanctuary_Operator_Faces_Cruelty_Charges_140581263.html?storySection=story
 
If you have sent cats to Caboodle call 
212-876-7700 ASPCA Head Office for further information in the 
morning.
 
Agencies assisting the ASPCA on scene 
include: Atlanta Humane Society (Atlanta, Ga.); Bay Area Disaster Animal 
Response Team (Belleair Bluffs, Fla.); Cat Depot (Sarasota, Fla.); Florida 
State 
Animal Response Coalition (Bushnell, Fla.).
 
 
 
Celene Albano 
HPR Rescue 
CEO
501c3 Non-Profit.
Tax ID # 42-169-3737


 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with cruelty

[Beth]

I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.

 
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 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with 
cruelty
 

It’s very sad and unfortunate when someone with really good intentions allows 
things to go so wrong, doesn’t ask for help.  But, to be fair, maybe help that 
was asked for but never materialized….I know how people can be. This also gives 
other groups a bad name.
I have MANY cats, but if donations don’t come in, we happen to be lucky to be 
able to  subsidize until things get better. I could never allow any cat to get 
that sick, especially with simple and very avoidable things. We house the cats 
in our home, and people who visit would never be able to guess how many there 
are, and that we have so many (they guess a tiny fraction) – and that requires 
a tremendous amount of work. I don’t want anyone to leave here and spread 
rumors about a dirty, smelly house…. 
 I have also known about very “hasty” conclusions drawn by people who have no 
idea what it’s like to care for many cats, especially multiple number of sick 
ones with very special needs.
In upper CT, several years ago, a woman housed the shelter in her home, was 
president of a cat rescue organization, was raided one morning, before she was 
even out of bed.  They broke the glass on the door to open it from the inside, 
barged in, confiscated all the cats, charged her with trumped up things like 
this (remember, this is about 7 AM): dirty litter boxes, no food for the cats, 
sick cats with various illnesses (ear mites, CRF, no teeth, as if that’s an 
illness etc), practicing medicine without a license (she had meds for the cats 
and treating them), and the list went on like that.  She wasn’t even allowed to 
tell them which meds were for which cats, and which cats were the sick ones - 
they were going to have their vets determine that!   During this round-up, the 
poor cats were petrified, flew around like ferals, which they were NOT)… She 
was not even allowed to visit them (including her personal cats) that were put 
up at various places
 around the area, and by the time of the court date, she owed the state over 
$130,000 in boarding and vet fees. She wasn’t able to pay that.  Many cats died 
during that time, were separated from their buddies in separate cages, never 
knew freedom….they were held as evidence. This all happened because a 
disgruntled volunteer reported her to state canine and USDA. 
Natalie
 
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 8:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with 
cruelty
 
Caboodle was one of my FB friends..I thought/read someplace there was help at 
CR. No way one person can cope with that many..many times hoarders do fool the 
authorities and the public, I've seen it hapen..lets face it; we, even if all 
we do is take care of the animals, have more complicated lives than a pet. So 
at any time something can go wrong, financially, personally, healthwise..and 
that is other people should take charge.
Having the land and best intentions is a great start but much more is needed.
I do rescue, have a license and am now starting the paperwork to be non-profit, 
all this while I learnt that is what has to come first, then one can start 
looking for volunteers and plan ahead, ie ten years from now. I know CR was 
nonprof so what happened to the Board and volunteers he should have had to get 
that status?
I'm very sorry for the cats that paid_and the people that entrusted their lives 
to the sanctuary_for that mistake.
Another cautionary tale though unfortunatly very well based on reality.
Marta
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with cruelty

[Beth]

The people I'm talking about did spay/neuter & had vet references. They had 
good intentions, but the hoarding mentality took over & got out of hand.

 
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 From: GRAS 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:28 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with 
cruelty
 

Sadly, there may be some, but I have yet to come across a “rescuer/hoarder” in 
the 20 years of being involved in cat rescuein Southern CT.  There are probably 
some hoarder types; a typical symptom would be someone who doesn’t spay/neuter 
nor provides veterinary care….therefore, they may not be the “typical” hoarders 
as we know them. The CT woman was definitely not one!  She was extremely 
well-respected, a caring and capable woman whose life and the lives of the cats 
in her care have been ruined forever, thanks to overzealous officials and a 
disgruntled person! The state didn’t even allow her home-visit vet to vouch for 
the health and treatment that he prescribed for cats in her care to testify on 
her behalf! I can tell you that there’s a hidden agenda in CT to put all small 
cat rescues out of business to allow stray, feral, abandoned cats to be rounded 
up and killed!  
BTW, we are NO-KILL, no cages; in addition to cats in home surroundings, we 
also have several cat condos and enclosed outdoor runs in warmer months.
Natalie
 
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 9:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Caboodle Ranch - Another "sanctuary" owner charged with 
cruelty
 
I don't know the full story of the woman in CT, so I can't comment on that, but 
I've seen people who are heads of rescue organizations who are hoarders. Just 
because someone has a title does not mean they are OK.
 
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