Re: [Felvtalk] response to Laurie, let's keep the list supportive

2011-01-22 Thread Laurieskatz
You have no idea what my life entails. I am on the frontline every day and
have been for years. Those here who know me, know that.
And I have no idea what your life entails. All I know is you cried SOS and I
was pulled in (my responsibility, not yours).
I appreciate your gentle support and compassion as I need it very much.
I will bid adieu now. Seems best for all.
Best wishes.
Those of you who know me know how to find me.
Those who I've supported financially should feel free to contact me
privately.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:32 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] response to Laurie, let's keep the list supportive

 





It will sort itself out by me getting him tested, and determining if he's
really positive, continuing to work with this lady, and networking with some
local fosters who care for FeLV and could possibly take him, of which two
are already aware. How does this smack of 'the writer not taking steps to
help the kitty' as you said?   If he's negative, it's a whole different
story.  The room had perches, toys, a tv, radio, and he had his own run
outside, a large tall enclosure for warm months. I was shocked, happily
shocked.  you can see a different story was painted over the phone and it
seemed desperate.  There is a care taker for the ill relative that lives
there 24/7 who I personally talked to who adores the kitty, and makes him
chicken.  A small part of me did feel taken for being led to believe it was
dire.  He has a full see through door so he can see the rest of the house. 
Who could not agree that a kitty mere hours away from having his life
 drained out of him is in more need of immediate focus.
 
I am well aware of CW and many other organizations that I am in contact
with - fosters, as well. These are all possibilities.  
 
I sincerely appreciate your suggestions, and take them to heart.  I will not
accept your judgement however. I'm sorry it's hard on you emotionally, from
behind your keyboard, but I can assure you it has been likewise on me on the
frontline.  This should be a place for gentle support and compassion.  We
are all good people here doing the best we can.  Case closed on this one.
 
--- On Sat, 1/22/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 8:52 AM


I no longer do rescue. I did offer to help this kitty financially, I think I
suggested cat TV videos and I suggested CW shelter if he is positive. I
also emailed privately a list member who lives in Chicago to ask what vet
she goes to. It is hard on me emotionally to hear about kitties in need
(from your earlier report this kitty lives alone in a room so frustrated
that he masturbates- did he have toys? A window? Cat TV?) without the writer
then taking steps to help the kitty. Curious how this will sort itself out
without your intervention. Thanks for all you do. I think I just need to
stop reading posts about cats in need. 
My best,
L



  
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[Felvtalk] test

2011-01-22 Thread Laurieskatz
 

 

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~
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Re: [Felvtalk] VET info for emeralkittee

2011-01-22 Thread Laurieskatz
From my friend -

 

I don't usually go to Chicago for vet care.  I am in the Burlington WI
area so I know the vets here.  Depending on what you're looking for, there
are different options.  For a cheaper vet that I think is very good
(conventional medicine and doesn't know much about alternative,. she's
fairly open about trying different things and she was the only vet I found
that would do a blood transfusion for about $150.00).Her name is Brenda
Long and she owns the Burlington Longview Vet Clinic.   There is an
alternative vet that does house calls in the area.  She's good, but I'm not
sure about her prices.  

 

It looks like the expenses mostly incurred are on labs.  That's more
difficult for a vet to control as they usually send the tests out.  You need
a vet that does them in house or a vet that doesn't need all the fancy tests
and can do a bit of detective work clinically.  I really would recommend
Burlington Longview.  Hope this helps.

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-21 Thread Laurieskatz
Emeraldkittee, any update on the boy cat? I know you met him. Wondering why you 
felt it wasn't a match?

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 4:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: POTT, BEVERLY
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

If he has issues with the carrier, try putting his bed or some familiar thing 
in first.  That might help him feel safer in the carrier.  My go in it, but I 
have 2 who say NONO all the way to the vet.  Only on the way home do they sit 
in silence.
 POTT wrote: 
 Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? 
 
 See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give 
 the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you 
 take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the 
 sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. 
 :-(
 
 Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you 
 like... (haha! Just kidding ;-))
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative 
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of 
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.  
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty 
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been 
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to 
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and 
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in 
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
  
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their 
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly 
 use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 
 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she 
 doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . 
 I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'.  It's not a 
 problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
  
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like 
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the 
 first few conversations.
  
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is 
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I 
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but 
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an 
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't 
 know about doing this.
  
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical 
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to 
 see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the vet 
 she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into 
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?  
 How can I best help...
  
 Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied 
 experience.  
 
 
   
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Laurieskatz
, the next day, she's
got misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet
several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the
kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood
sugar.  It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other
things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here.
 --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM
 
 
 Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never
 heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed
 to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
 suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help
 someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would
go
 over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier
won't
 work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The
 masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection.
It
 sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if
 the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go
 to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to
cooperate.
 Please go get him and let us know what you find out.
 L
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
 
 An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying
relative
 has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because
of
 the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
  We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
 hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always
been
 very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because
to
 me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in
and
 never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
 supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.
 
 I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of
their
 health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
 certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
 didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'.
Today
 she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
 to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't
know'.
 It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.
 
 
 When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
 carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
 first few conversations.
 
 Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person
is
 overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. 
I
 am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is,
but
 why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to
an
 adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
 know about doing this.
 
 I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
 conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
 to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
 vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep
into
 rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
  How can I best help...
 
 Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
 experience.
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Laurieskatz
I'll help with $ if needed.
There's a way to do a chip in donation online.
Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think.
Do you know how to do that?
If not, I will send you a check.


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

Hey Natalie and everyone,
 
I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and 
I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, 
fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman who 
referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My vet 
works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even 
with a donation.  

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM


First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
(unless it was an incompetent vet).
I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
sucking on fabric, etc.
Natalie 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your 

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Here is the fundraising site
http://www.chipin.com/overview


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

I'll help with $ if needed.
There's a way to do a chip in donation online.
Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think.
Do you know how to do that?
If not, I will send you a check.


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor 
Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

Hey Natalie and everyone,
 
I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 
($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special 
needs babies.  I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and 
I could do this at a discount.   The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, 
fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA.  I’m going to call the woman who 
referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group.  My vet 
works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even 
with a donation.  

--- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM


First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that
bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the
bedding, and maybe a treat or two.
I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what
I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a
price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time
(unless it was an incompetent vet).
I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some
definitive answers about the cat's health.  Is the cat neutered?  I bet he's
not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe
sucking on fabric, etc.
Natalie 

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I

Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

2011-01-19 Thread Laurieskatz
Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never
heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed
to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my
suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help
someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go
over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't
work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The
masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It
sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if
the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go
to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate.
Please go get him and let us know what you find out. 
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)

An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative
has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV.  She can't take him because of
the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch.
 We've had a few conversations.  I have been told the following: the kitty
hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been
very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to
me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and
never attacks the other cats.  The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in
supposed perfect health.  There's never been an IFA or Western Blot.  
 
I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their
health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could
certainly use their vet.  She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and
didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today
she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission
to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. 
It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there.

 
When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like
carriers and might need a shot to be sedated.  That wasn't mentioned the
first few conversations.
 
Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me.  I know this person is
overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT.  I
am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but
why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an
adoption?  She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't
know about doing this.
 
I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical
conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need
to see what's going on.  I got the impression there was a problem with the
vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into
rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story?
 How can I best help...
 
Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied
experience.  


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

2011-01-18 Thread Laurieskatz
:-) you are an angel in this kitty's life!!!

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Diane Rosenfeldt
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 5:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

Excellent! Bravo for this sweet kitty!

Diane R.

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 11:52 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] potential kitty tested negative

I mentioned that one of the kitties we were going to look at for adoption
never had an IFA test.  She’s been in a cage for a year at a shelter.  I had
them do an IFA and she’s negative!  She’s a healthy, roly-poly adult,
sweetie pie.  They actually thanked me for educating them and said they will
follow a different testing protocol going forward.  I’m happy for this
kitty.
 
shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Boo not eating either

2010-12-27 Thread Laurieskatz
Swallowing can be symptom of nausea.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Boo not eating either

Beth
 
I am so sorry to hear this, I totally feel your pain.  I wondered if they
get so stressed at the vet they also clench their teeth and maybe some how
hurt their tongue/mouth, so it hurts to chew?  It sounds silly, but I was
trying to think of everything.  I am so glad the cypro is working for you. 
I just picked up the compounded intradermal kind, since I can't pill Whimsy.
 
we'll be sending you good thoughts and hope they both return to normal asap.
 
Shannon

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From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Boo not eating either
To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 3:30 PM


My foster FeLV kitty Boo is not eating, either. Shelter ran full blood work
which was normal  had 2 vets look her over. She swallows a lot like you do
when you are coming down with a cold, but the vets said she had no fever 
her throat looked OK. She ate 2 small pieces of chicken  some baby food off
my finger last night. Ate 1/2 jar of baby food with the help of
Cyproheptadine this morning. She is at the shelter awaiting a vet
appointment. hopefully tomorrow. I hate not being with her.

Beth
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Re: [Felvtalk] all Whimsy wants is to go outside

2010-12-27 Thread Laurieskatz
I would not just let him go...he may be trying to find a place to hide and
then you will never find him.
I like the enclosure idea. Even if you could take him outside in a
carrier...
Thoughts and prayers with you. Such a tough thing when they won't eat. Did
the vet suggest an anti nausea pill?

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:54 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] all Whimsy wants is to go outside

Can you fix an enclosure for him outside?  He could spend some time  
out there then come in?
On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Emeraldkittee wrote:

 Thanks, Laurie - I couldn't pill him, so have to try this.  he's  
 hiding and acting very feral again, cringes and runs when I come  
 near him.   All he wants is to go outside, he perks up at the smell  
 of air.  this is against my better judgement, but he's so depressed  
 and will die unless I get food down him. Every time I 'try'  
 something, ie, pills, etc, he looks at me like I'm trying to kill  
 him.  I know if he went out he'd feel better, but it's against  
 everything we tried to do to help him.



 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:


 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 9:33 PM


 I generally crush a pill (not necessarily this one) and mix with a  
 tiny bit of water and syringe it – total of ½ cc.

 Syringing is easier than pilling at my house.



 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy  
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't  
 deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent.  
 Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are  
 without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your  
 appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you -  
 alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~
http://www.quotiki.com/people/Fyodor-Dostoyevsky 
  Fyodor Dostoyevsky





 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
 ] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
 Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:34 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again



 When I use Cypro I use pill pockets if I can't get them to take it  
 by inserting it with my fingers.

 (Chicken  Beef flavors)

 Most will take it this way or you can mixed it in a little food and  
 put it in his mouth.



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 Terrie Mohr-Forker
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 Non-Profit national rescue

 Dedicated to the welfare of animals.


 Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.





  Original Message 
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
 From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
 Date: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:05 am
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

 hi Sharyl, Lorrie, and Terrie,

 Yes, I meant Cyproheptadine as an appetite stimulent.  I did pick it  
 up, but have not given to him yet.  I have it as a last resort.  He  
 might not be pillable. I would probably try some pepcid first (to  
 the point about whether he could be nauseated).  He turned his nose  
 up at the KFC, but I did get him to eat 3/4 of a can of warmed  
 chicken baby food just now.  Also he had 3 temptation treats.  He's  
 still scratching at the door, so my instinct is telling me that this  
 is an emotional distress first (obviously creating physical ones  
 now).  He seems to have forgotten how much trouble he had in deep  
 snow, how he would get icicles on his fur, then it would get so  
 matted, it fell out, leaving giant sores and bald spots.

 you all are so helpful, because I know you understand.  It kills me  
 to think the vet visit set him off; just because I was trying to  
 give him the best care.  Now I know how highly sensitive this boy  
 is.  I did pick up Rescue Remedy so I'm giving that a try with him  
 too.

 thanks for all your help.
 Shannon

 --- On Sun, 12/26/10, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org wrote:


 From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:14 AM



 Cypro is also used to enchance their appetite.
 Cypro has many uses.



 TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS

Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again

2010-12-26 Thread Laurieskatz
I generally crush a pill (not necessarily this one) and mix with a tiny bit of 
water and syringe it – total of ½ cc. 

Syringing is easier than pilling at my house.

 

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. 
Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their 
happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on 
superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, 
defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your 
foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~ 
http://www.quotiki.com/people/Fyodor-Dostoyevsky Fyodor Dostoyevsky

 

 

From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org
Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again

 

When I use Cypro I use pill pockets if I can't get them to take it by inserting 
it with my fingers. 

(Chicken  Beef flavors)

Most will take it this way or you can mixed it in a little food and put it in 
his mouth.

 

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Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue

Dedicated to the welfare of animals.

 
Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.

 

 

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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:05 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

hi Sharyl, Lorrie, and Terrie,
 
Yes, I meant Cyproheptadine as an appetite stimulent.  I did pick it up, but 
have not given to him yet.  I have it as a last resort.  He might not be 
pillable. I would probably try some pepcid first (to the point about whether he 
could be nauseated).  He turned his nose up at the KFC, but I did get him to 
eat 3/4 of a can of warmed chicken baby food just now.  Also he had 3 
temptation treats.  He's still scratching at the door, so my instinct is 
telling me that this is an emotional distress first (obviously creating 
physical ones now).  He seems to have forgotten how much trouble he had in deep 
snow, how he would get icicles on his fur, then it would get so matted, it fell 
out, leaving giant sores and bald spots.  
 
you all are so helpful, because I know you understand.  It kills me to think 
the vet visit set him off; just because I was trying to give him the best care. 
 Now I know how highly sensitive this boy is.  I did pick up Rescue Remedy so 
I'm giving that a try with him too.  
 
thanks for all your help.
Shannon

--- On Sun, 12/26/10, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org wrote:


From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:14 AM



Cypro is also used to enchance their appetite.
Cypro has many uses.



TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE  COLLIE RESCUE
Sultan, WA. 98294
Terrie Mohr-Forker
http://tazzys.org/
Non-Profit national rescue
Dedicated to the welfare of animals.
 
Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved.
 
 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
Date: Sun, December 26, 2010 8:35 am
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Shannon, I don't remember all the details about Whimsy, but it sounds
like he may need Prozac rather than Cypro. Cypro is an antibiotic,
and if he doesn't have an infection, but is merely upset and agitated
I wondered why Cypro was suggested??

Lorrie

On 12-26, Emeraldkittee wrote:

 after a good morning yesterday, now Whimsy is refusing to eat
 again.? Tuna, sardines, treats, nothing - have to try KFC today.?
 He is having bursts of playing alot, wants to cuddle, then gets
 pissed off and kicks litter out of his box, paces around crying and
 begging to go outside.? He is depressed and angry.? I just can't
 wrap my head around letting him out in all that snow and cold -
 after we made such progress.?We live off a busy street - it's
 everything we?got away from with him.?The other thing is now he
 knows we live on the other side of the door with other kitties.?
 Everything was fun until this dr apt and the outside door to his
 room froze over.? ? I am going to get my vet to call in a cypro
 rx, but how I will pill this guy, I have no idea.? ? this is so
 heartbreaking, in light of his excellent check up.? ? argh.
 Shannon ? ?
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-21 Thread Laurieskatz
Also important to check with an attorney in your area to find out if there
are any state laws that may govern either the trust or the process in
setting up the trust (legalities such as signature requirements, etc).
Laurie

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

Thank you so much - I will check them out! Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
merrykatme...@email.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:42 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work


 If you are a non-profit org, you might want to consider having a succession
plan in place to make the transition to someone else smoother.

Succession planning for non-profits: 
 
http://www.ehow.com/about_7327519_succession-planning-nonprofit-organization
s.html 
 
http://www.brighthub.com/office/human-resources/articles/99724.aspx 
 
http://www.suite101.com/content/approaches-to-succession-planning-for-nonpro
fit-organizations-a260204 
 
There used to be a sanctuary in NY state that had to close when the head of
the sanctuary died suddenly and there was no plan in place for transitioning
or providing for the animals.  The following is an article about Best
Friends in Utah helping out the animals left behind.

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb518404.htm


Kat (Mew Jersey)


 

 

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:29 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work


YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am
actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with
cats, reliability, etc.  I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm
hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

Consider providing for them in your will.  I had a lawyer draw up one  
leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.
On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
 more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
 weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
 we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
 we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

 No, I didn't get that site.

 Lorrie

 On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
 70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
 have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
 lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
 something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
 is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
 boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
 horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
 double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
 takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
 use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
 get into the cage (they love it!).

 We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
 where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
 they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
 alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door.
 I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
 day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
 you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
 Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

2010-12-21 Thread Laurieskatz

Great idea.I can't do that with my house because my husband co owns it (and
has kids) but I gave my vehicle to the trust (so the cats can get to the
guardian who lives in another state) and also a lump sum so the guardian can
add on to their house. I made the requirements for ongoing reimbursement
VERY loose for the guardian's ease.
L



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death


Have you considered setting up a trust and including the house in the trust.

 

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 5:47 AM


We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to
a Fund instead.  Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the
hard way.  We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would
continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and
who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer,
is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether
it's one or many!  I get those calls, and always ask your mother, aunt,
uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to
care for them?  It falls on dead ears.  When my mother died, I couldn't take
her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish
rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but
to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them.  Two
young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at
a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine,
until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his
drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had
her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo!  There's only one cat left now,
and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and
I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also
contacted veterinarians in the area.  The thing to watch for is someone who
wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals.  There must
be someone to oversee them, too - but who?  A lawyer who doesn't know squat
about cat care?  We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many
details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever
I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus
again.  And I don't have all the answers.  Maybe we could all pool our
thoughts on this
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death


Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not
only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was
hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to
care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more
rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take
them if and when I die?  Some of my cats came from very bad places and have
trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make
the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I
could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the
best we can.

Debbie 
~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ 



 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
 
 My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for 
 all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will
 care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids
 and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own.
 
 I would like to find someone to move into our house and take
 care of them. I'd even give them the house, and it's a very nice
 house in a resort area on a lake in the eastern mountains of WV.
 
 So far in my will I've left 1,000 per cat to help them find
 good homes, but how do I know someone won't take the money and
 dump the cat?
 
 I worry about my fur babies constantly. They are my life. If
 anyone has any good ideas about what I can do please e-mail me
 personally.
 
 Lorrie 
 
 
 On 12-20, MaiMaiPG wrote:
  Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one 
  leaving everything in trust for the care of 

Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

2010-12-21 Thread Laurieskatz
I have trustees who I know will do the best thing for my cats. They are
friends (and a bank for the financial part). 2 friends so they can outvote
the bank if needed. I have a guardian and successor guardian. The trustees
should be the ones keeping an eye on things. Better is to have a guardian
you trust. Mine are my best friend and my brother (successor). 

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:18 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death

I don't know if this helps, but we just had an attorney move into the
corporate center that I manage, who specializes in pet trusts.  She is
licensed to practice in California and Maryland.
 
Would you like her contact information?
Tamara

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From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 8:47 AM


We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to
a Fund instead.  Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the
hard way.  We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would
continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and
who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer,
is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether
it's one or many!  I get those calls, and always ask your mother, aunt,
uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to
care for them?  It falls on dead ears.  When my mother died, I couldn't take
her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish
rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but
to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them.  Two
young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at
a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine,
until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his
drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had
her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo!  There's only one cat left now,
and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and
I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also
contacted veterinarians in the area.  The thing to watch for is someone who
wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals.  There must
be someone to oversee them, too - but who?  A lawyer who doesn't know squat
about cat care?  We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many
details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever
I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus
again.  And I don't have all the answers.  Maybe we could all pool our
thoughts on this
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death


Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not
only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was
hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to
care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more
rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take
them if and when I die?  Some of my cats came from very bad places and have
trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make
the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I
could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the
best we can.

Debbie 
~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ 



 Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500
 From: felineres...@kvinet.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
 
 My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for 
 all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will
 care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids
 and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own.

Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

2010-12-20 Thread Laurieskatz
I have a trust for my cats and a guardian and successor guardian identified.
Very important. We just helped find homes for 5 cats and 2 dogs when their
50 year old guardian/owner died unexpectedly. HASSLE. The animals were in TN
and those helping were in IA and CO. She had lots of money and could have
provided for them but didn't. I have had my trust since I was in my 40's.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky


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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am
actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with
cats, reliability, etc.  I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm
hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work

Consider providing for them in your will.  I had a lawyer draw up one  
leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys.
On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 Wow, Natalie, that is impressive.  You definitely have a lot
 more cats than we have.  I'd take in more if my hubby and I
 weren't so ancient (77 and 88)  but I'm afraid when we die
 we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and
 we have no rescue group to help.. We're it!

 No, I didn't get that site.

 Lorrie

 On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over
 70 cats - in our house.  Huge garage, built condos there, and they
 have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum
 lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with
 something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half
 is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter
 boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno
 horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this
 double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it
 takes only a few days.  Then I open the cage, and the new cat can
 use it freely fo privacy or not.  Most often, all the other cats
 get into the cage (they love it!).

 We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom
 where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when
 they're sick and need to be medicated.  That way, they don't feel
 alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door.
 I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other
 day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did
 you get it?  Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon.
 Natalie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest

2010-11-26 Thread Laurieskatz
Thanks for your update, Stacy. Prayers continuing for both of you.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 8:36 PM
To: cline...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest

Hi Sharyl:
Thanks to  you and everyone on this list for your replies and purrayers. . 
I'm so sorry about your sweet Albert but glad you had the 1.5 years with
him.  

It's been quite a week for us - Spanky went to his vet, then the internal
med specialist/oncologist and was diagnosed with a mediastinal tumor in his
chest, thus the fluids. My vets too said a few days only if I didn't do
something. So I put him on prednisolone for now and may do a stronger round
of something to try to kill the tumor. But I know it is dicey with his FELV
+ status/symptoms.   I can't even think straight...but have to try to
keep helping him.  He made it through Thanksgiving and we are taking it one
day (one hour!) at a time.  
Purrs, 
Stacy and Spanky



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Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:49:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest
Message-ID: 948524.42923...@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

I'm so sorry to read Spanky now has this problem.  There is a Yahoo heart
group that may help.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/

Did
your vet give Spanky any Lasix?  It does help reduce the fluid.  My
sweet Albert went into CHF and was dx with severe HCM. When he went
into CHF the vet gave him days/wks to live.   He was lasix for 1 1/2
yrs before his little heart gave out.  

It is something to try.
Sharyl

--- On Tue, 11/23/10, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:58 PM
 Hi:
 I am crossposting this message also. 
 I urgently need advice on my kitty, Spanky (FELV+, early
 Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy).? 
 I noticed over the weekend and week he started feeling
 worse and that his respiration rate
 ?seemed to be higher than normal (he is usually about 18



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...

2010-11-10 Thread Laurieskatz
Beautifully said, Mike.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:10 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...

Mike
Such kind words!
Bless you.
~Bonnie
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...


 Dear Kim,

 So glad that you have the other three to help ease your hurt.  Thank you 
 for
 sharing images of the joy you two experienced.  Paws on the face is one of

 the
 most 'human things they do, and is such a personal expression from them 
 to us.
 In response, who hasn't munched down on those spongy little pads and play
 gobbled them up and not been bothered a bit by the sudden chalkiness of a 
 little
 tidbit of litter! ;D  To hear you focusing on those kinds of special 
 moments
 means your heart is already mending, even though, yes, it will be very 
 slow,
 especially in lost relationships.  Each day the brokenness grows less, and

 God
 helps us to see through the clearer eyes of grace rather than the 
 blurriness of
 sorrow.  A little more emphasis on every precious moment you had with her 
 comes
 more naturally than a painful thought or regret, and suddenly somehow you 
 can
 talk about it without growing a pumpkin in your throat. :)  That's God 
 healing
 his child who honored him by loving and caring for his creation.

 God bless,

 Mike :)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's not bouncing back yet

2010-10-23 Thread Laurieskatz
Alice, when is the last time he saw a vet?
I know pale gums are a concern.
Keisha did not hide. She was my only cat who did not.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy's not bouncing back yet

He is still super lethargic and I am back to syringe feeding him. His gums
are 
still really pale-I am just praying that he can recover from this last 
challenge. For a day he was acting like he was making a quick recovery, but
has 
backslid-his eyes are bright and he finally left the bedroom and is in the 
kitchen, lying on the floor. I worry less when he joins the world rather
than 
hide away.  Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like

2010-10-23 Thread Laurieskatz
He sounds wonderful. What a gift he has been to you and you to him.
I am smiling reading about him and his spring loaded tail!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!

2010-10-22 Thread Laurieskatz
Ditto what Bonnie said. Well said, Bonnie.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!

Yay!  Good news about Murphy!  Hope the improvement continues.  All your 
ministrations certainly help, but I really see the love you have for these 
little guys...and that is the most powerful medicine!
Enjoy your time!
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:07 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!


 Wooo Hooo!! Before I left for work this morning, I gave him his meds 
 (Interferon
 1cc into the mouth, and the capsules-one with doxy and cypro, one with 
 lasix and
 1/2 pred, I fill the extra space in those capsules with powdered Lysine, 
 and one
 cap with Rutin, so his am is 3 capsules and in the pm he gets one more 
 with
 iron). Washed it down with unflavored Pedialyte and then 3 syringes (I use

 the
 3cc) of watered down AD food from the vet. I left instructions for Glenn 
 and my
 son Corey to try to give him some food and Pedialyte throughout the day. 
 When I
 got home tonight he came wobbling out into the kitchen to greet me!! I
 am ecstatic at this point. I gave him his meds and fixed some food, some 
 fancy
 feast and another dish of AD. I put him up on the counter (I have to feed 
 above
 Aussie height!) in the spare bathroom and he worked on the fancy feast for
 awhile. He came into the kitchen for some kitty treats, then laid down for

 quite
 awhile. When he woke up, I carried him into the bathroom where the litter 
 box
 was (we took the cover off of it) and he went in by himself!! He is still 
 real
 wobbly and spends most of the time lying down, but he is more alert and 
 wanting
 to spend time near us, not in the dark spare room. A little while ago I 
 felt
 something brush my legs, I looked down expecting Rosie but it was Murphy!!

 He
 laid down quickly and I sat on the floor petting him and talking to him. 
 He'll
 get another 21 units of  Procrit tomorrow night. Man, all of your 
 purrayers are
 working!! Hopefully he is going to keep improving, good thing they have 9 
 lives.
 Another funny thing-last night when I walked past Rosie, she reached out 
 and
 smacked my leg. I turned around and walked past her to see what she was 
 trying
 to do and she smacked me again!! I think she is feeling neglected!! I 
 haven't
 spent much time with her since Monday with all the worrying about Murphy. 
 So
 tonight I have been playing with her-she likes to race ahead of you and do

 a
 forward roll, flop over on her back and have you rub her tummy! Thanks for

 all
 of your purrayers and kind thoughts. This is a battle not easily won and 
 these
 little victories are sadly temporary for the most part, but I am grateful 
 for
 every day. I just want the last 2 kitties to be with us longer, it hurts 
 so
 much.   Your friends, Alice, Glenn and the kids Rosie n Murphy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

2010-10-21 Thread Laurieskatz
Natalie is right. It is very important to keep him eating, too. Cats can go
into liver failure if they don't eat their normal amount of food. This can
happen fairly quickly. 
Check out the feline assisted feeding yahoo group for ideas and info.
Prayers for you and Murphy.
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping
organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous
fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do
yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run!  Could your vet give
Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster.
Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking

He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe
to 
give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from
the 
vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter
box 
and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He 
spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually 
walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and
some 
food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I
gave 
him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I 
don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like
this 
for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing
and 
drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day
long. 
 Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-21 Thread Laurieskatz
I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and
urine and vomit).
If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if
it's urine.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.  I 
put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black 
light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent 
hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she 
dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot.  So, maybe that

is the answer!
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Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie


 Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I 
 used
 to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
 drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

 Laurie
 Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many 
 types

 and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
 Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
 having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, 
 Wow,
 I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away
 with on my other cats.
 Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
 I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
 Thanks for your insights.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
 his
 teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
 drool.
 The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
 She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the 
 traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

 Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

 This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
 much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
 Lucky
 lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
 drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
 see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
 just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
 expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
 But
 I might need to change the litter more.
 Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the 
 mattress,
 wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
 Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

 - Original Message - 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the 
 litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
 It
 is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
 I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several

Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

2010-10-21 Thread Laurieskatz
He sounds like a blast. My newest came from a farm (via a shelter) and is
crazy. I give her a new' toy everyday. Pipe cleaners in a spring form work
well and so does wadded up paper.


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

Thanks, everyone - this is helpful.  It's what I figured - yep, keep the
little cutie in.  If we are outside with him, he's fine, but only if we give
him all our attention - if not, he will pull some daredevil stunt like
climbing the highest tree, or running under the gate and start scratching my
car's tires :)
 
I worry that he's just so alone out there, no other babies, and he knows mom
and dad and the inside kitties are all together.  I'll have to watch him
very carefully for any signs of depression.  Today was the first day and he
was ok, but restless.  Once it's 20 below of course, it will be an easier
sell!  I figure winter will be a good thing for him this year and might help
make him a total house cat.  I spent about 1 - 3 hrs a day every day since
August 2009 with him, (with the exception of those few days he never
appeared) so that's why he can be picked up and cuddled now.  
 
thanks everyone.  your kitties are so lucky to have you.
 
Shannon and Whimsy

--- On Wed, 10/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:


From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:38 AM


My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never
offered to sneak out.

Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last
one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
rush the door.

Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is having
some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
ruin what furniture I do have.

I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
attention tame them.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


 I agree.
 My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside
for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former
tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside,
but he was eventually fine.
 
 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 
 --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:
 
 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM
 
 I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for
 cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
 abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
 near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
 one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that
they
 don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
 experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
 rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
 but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
 accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
 
 
 I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-21 Thread Laurieskatz
I didn't know this and stand corrected. Thanks, Gloria, for this info.


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane
Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:42 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary
tract problems. 

Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote:

 The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night.
I put my hand on it and it didn't smell.  That's what throws me.  The black
light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with!
 I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent
hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she
dearly loves her Lucky.  She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot.  So, maybe that
is the answer!
 - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
 
 
 Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I
used
 to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the
 drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
 
 Laurie
 Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many
types
 
 and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
 Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're
 having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought,
Wow,
 I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away
 with on my other cats.
 Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
 I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
 Thanks for your insights.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
 
 
 Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked
 his
 teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it
is
 drool.
 The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
 She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
 L
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the
traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
 
 Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!
 
 This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
 much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.
 Lucky
 lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
 drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.
I
 see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the
bed
 just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
 expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.
 But
 I might need to change the litter more.
 Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the
mattress,
 wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going
on.
 Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!
 
 - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE
 
 
 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the
litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not
medical.
 It
 is a vet site and has

Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
box or an aversion to the box or litter.
Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It
is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she
had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
cat and you will have your answer!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

My experience:
Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally 
sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15 
min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never 
offered to sneak out.

Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last

one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came 
home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to 
rush the door.

Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is having

some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very 
expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to 
the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not 
behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat 
ruin what furniture I do have.

I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and 
attention tame them.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I agree.
 My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside

 for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one 
 former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being

 inside, but he was eventually fine.

 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM

 I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for
 cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted
 abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get
 near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the
 one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that 
 they
 don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of
 experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our
 rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't -
 but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always
 accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
 Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


 I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an 
 FeLV
 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but
 Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has 
 the
 sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
 evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
 started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
 street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were 
 planning
 on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time 
 to
 break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without 
 your
 mom and dad.

 Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, 
 we
 have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap 
 him,
 couldn't handle him. Now 

Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his
teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
drool.
The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. 
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

Think like the
cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink 
much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool.  Lucky 
lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league 
drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I 
see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed 
just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most 
expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily.  But 
I might need to change the litter more.
Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, 
wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. 
 It
 is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
 I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she
 had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
 her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
 something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer!
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

 My experience:
 Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
 sneak out, only to go directly under the deck.  Some adventure!  After 15
 min. she's ready to come in.  She's 14 yrs. old now.

 Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only.  He's never
 offered to sneak out.

 Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the 
 last

 one caught.  She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came
 home.  I think she was just very frightened and hiding.  Never offers to
 rush the door.

 Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat.  He is 
 having

 some difficulties adjusting.  The Feliway spray helps, but is very
 expensive.  Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk).  We're going to
 the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection.  I hope it is not
 behavioral, because then I'm stumped.  Not wealthy and can't let the cat
 ruin what furniture I do have.

 I think the cold turkey thing is the way.  In my experience, time and
 attention tame them.
 ~Bonnie
 - Original Message - 
 From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I agree.
 My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been 
 inside

 for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one
 former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to 
 being

 inside, but he was eventually fine.

 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org

 --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie

Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis.
It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and my
boys ate it!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie

Laurie
Why don't you guys like WB cat litter?  Just curious.  I've tried many types

and find it pretty good.  I will look up Dr. Elsey's.
Lucky's teeth look good.  He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're 
having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble.  I thought, Wow, 
I bet I could brush this cat's teeth.  Something I would never get away 
with on my other cats.
Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright.
I'm hoping for drool vs. pee!
Thanks for your insights.
~Bonnie
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked 
 his
 teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is
 drool.
 The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw.
 She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats.
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive 
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with 
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE

 Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that!

 This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink
 much.  The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. 
 Lucky
 lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league
 drooler!  He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there.  I
 see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed
 just because.  I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most
 expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff.  I scoop his box daily. 
 But
 I might need to change the litter more.
 Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress,
 wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on.
 Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals!

 - Original Message - 
 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE


 Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter
 box or an aversion to the box or litter.
 Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical.
 It
 is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions.
 I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where 
 she
 had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks
 her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like
 something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the
 cat and you will have your answer!
 L

 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive
 them
 of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
 yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with
 your
 greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the 
 traces
 of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
 us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
 Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

 My experience:
 Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only.  She will occasionally
 sneak out, only to go directly under

Re: [Felvtalk] Dostoyevsky

2010-10-20 Thread Laurieskatz
:)

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dostoyevsky

On 10-10, Laurieskatz wrote:
 
 Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
 untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't
 deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent.
 Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are
 without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your
 appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you -
 alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky
 
TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN!   Thanks for these words of wisdom! 


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Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?

2010-10-19 Thread Laurieskatz
I would not let him outside again. I brought in a feral kitten years ago. I
let him out once and when I got him back inside I never let him out again. 
I spent lots of time with him (kept him in my master bathroom/dressing room)
and gave him different toys all the time.
Cat TV is another diversion and he still loves sitting in the window 13
years later.
There are links on the internet about how to bring an outside cat inside.
He will adjust but will need your time and attention.

If he is asymptomatic, I would not be inclined to add another cat. 

Bless you for taking him in!
Laurie


Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?


I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV
'former feral' - to permenantly indoor.  I don't let out my kitties, but
Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status.  He has the
sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some
evenings.  When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has
started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the
street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning
on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to
break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your
mom and dad.
 
Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we
have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him,
couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called.   I want to make the
leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him
(picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to stress
him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just
toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us?  
 
He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too
long, and I don't want him to get depressed.  Adding another FeLV kitty
would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with
various ailments.  I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off,
if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV.  Whimsy for now has
been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old.  I hope he's one of the ones
that can sustain health for a long time.  I also don't know how he'd act
around another kitty.  
 
so, in summary - 
 
1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do?
2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him?
 
thank you,
Shannon and Whimsy
 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today

2010-10-19 Thread Laurieskatz
Prayers

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today

This is the craziest roller coaster!!! Geez-Sunday Murphy was a busy bee,
all 
happy and jabbering up a storm. He was finally feeling better with a week of

Lysine under his belt and the sneezing and sniffles were subsiding.
Yesterday he 
was fairly quiet but I thought he may have done too much the day before.
Last 
night he did not eat, went into the spare room and laid on the floor in the 
dark. Not his style, normally he's nearby. This morning he laid in the
kitchen 
until he got his meds, then didn't want to eat. I was able to call the vet
from 
work and get him in this afternoon. We just got home. His PCV dropped 10 pts
to 
28 and may be even lower because he's a bit dehydrated. We will bump the
Procrit 
up to 2x a week and increase the iron caps to every night instead of every
other 
night. Maybe we lowered the dose too quicklyhe began the end of July
with 
his first crash at 3x a week with the Procrit, then we dropped it to 2x-he 
bounced back so well that we dropped him to once a week when his HCT got to
38 
two weeks ago. His lungs still sound good, but breathing is a little labored

from being anemic. Ultrasound showed a little fluid around the heart, but 
nothing like the fluid in his chest in July and August, temp is normal, eyes

clear. So please friends, more little purrayers for my bestest buddy!!
Alice 
and the kiddos!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)

2010-10-18 Thread Laurieskatz
Alice, you are such a good mom.
:-)
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky


- Original Message - 
From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:05 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! 
(after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)


 It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy 
 nose. He
 got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he 
 wasn't
 eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat 
 anything
 with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that 
 I
 bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have 
 water
 all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water
 dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats 
 drink
 out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get 
 from
 my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 
 in the
 PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta 
 both
 ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and

 they
 said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam

 (he
 already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned

 the
 fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel
 caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled

 all
 the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he 
 was
 getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave 
 him his
 LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still 
 sleeping alot
 Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is
 following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again.
 Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray 
 with 2
 parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into

 4
 wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may 
 have
 helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a
 forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and 
 barely
 any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on 
 his
 little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the 
 corner of
 the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he 
 and
 Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits

 and
 waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! 
 Anyway-that's
 our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little

 time
 to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune 
 system
 is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it?   Alice  (Rosie and 
 Murphy
 too!)
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Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

2010-10-11 Thread Laurieskatz
I sprinkle the viralys powder on canned food.
It seems finer consistency than crushed L Lysine tablets.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
create_me_...@yahoo.com
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

I use the Viralys too. It is easy to syringe  give. I use for my cat with
Stomatitis.
Beth
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From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com
Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:03:49 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a
tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in
a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon,
10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:


From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM


I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would
work better?

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction

Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a
tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and
we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food.  Poor guy vomited it
right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes!
So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about
250 mg)?
Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine?  Ideas?
Thanks!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI

2010-10-10 Thread Laurieskatz
Never tired of updates. Prayers coming!
L

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:41 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI

Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he

began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday 
night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets.
Now 
he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his 
prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on 
Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting
him 
down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder

into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very
expensive 
Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help
keep 
the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This  flares up
every 
time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory
problems. I 
know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me
on 
the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he
likes to 
sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his 
breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest 
area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with
how 
clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was 
wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a
people 
person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they
are 
doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we
can 
try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think,
just 
somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the 
gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of 
hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps 
bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the
first 
of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now
just 
once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!!  Alice
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Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

2010-08-29 Thread Laurieskatz
All of my cats have elevated calcium. I feed (grain free) Wellness Turkey
and Salmon. The vet was not concerned.
Laurie


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:59 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

Yeah this is what Cornell suggested with Wolfie.  He was anemic
(non-regenerative) and I posted here about whether to pursue it.  Decided
not to take the extra blood so I don't know if it was really a problem.

This kitty, Sierra, is stable so it probably wouldn't be a big deal.  I
asked my vet about it and she said she'd first rather send the sample out to
an outside lab and verify the high value.  Came back high.  I'll ask again
about drawing more blood for an ionized calcium.

Thanks!
Amy  

--- On Sat, 8/28/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:23 PM
 Amy, I'm guessing you have only
 checked the serum calcium levels.  You need to check
 the ionized calcium levels to know if there is a
 problem.  If the iCa is high then you would want to
 look into the cause.  The iCa test is expensive but the
 only way I know of to verify if there is a problem.
 Sharyl
 
 --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
  Subject: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 8:33 PM
  Has anybody had a problem with high
  calcium levels after feeding EVO?  I changed my
  household to it over a year ago when Wolfie was
 losing
  weight.  At one of his last visits, his calcium
 tested
  just slightly elevated.  Now I've taken my FIV+ cat
 in
  and she is also testing high for calcium.  She seems
  perfectly healthy and my vet recommended we look at
 the diet
  before getting all freaked out by the high calcium. 
  
  EVO says it contains about 2.59% calcium.  My vet
 says
  this is about double what most of the foods she looked
 up
  contain.  The pet store told me that the grain free
  foods can contain more of stuff because the idea is
 that the
  pet will eat less of it than other foods.  I'm going
 to
  contact the company but just wondered if anybody else
 has
  experienced this with cats on EVO.  
  
  Amy
  
  
        
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

2010-08-29 Thread Laurieskatz
Because they are all high and not just one of themand they have been for
several years now.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.

Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy
untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them
of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride
yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your
greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces
of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of
us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky



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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:58 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels

Hi Laurie,

That's good to know, thanks!  Any explanation for why she was not concerned?


--- On Sun, 8/29/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 1:19 PM
 All of my cats have elevated calcium.
 I feed (grain free) Wellness Turkey
 and Salmon. The vet was not concerned.
 Laurie
 
 



  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!!

2010-08-16 Thread Laurieskatz
Tramadal (pain), antibiotics and prednisone are what we used for the high
temps.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:47 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!!

Alice, it makes me happy to know that Murphy is improving.  Thanks for the
updates and continued good luck to you all.

Sara


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!!

It is one day at a time-the roller coaster is going up this week. Last
Sunday 
evening I thought he would not make it through the night. I had spent the 
weekend hand feeding and watering him with a syringe-he spent most of the
time 
stretched out on the bed. We went ahead and gave him the Procrit (Epogen)
and 
LTCI shot-I put them in one syringe so I would only have to give him one
shot. 
He didn't even flinch. I thought he'd be gone by morning. I woke up at 5:30
to 
get ready for work and I didn't see him on the bed-I went to the kitchen and
saw 
both he and Rosie sitting at the open slider door screen (it was a nice cool

evening-we left it open) watching the birds at the feeders!! He came
trotting 
over complaining about breakfast-got his meds and ate a decent amount of wet
and 
a few morsels of dry. He slowly improved over the week and we had a vet appt
on 
Friday (8/13). They did an in house PCV, but it was 19-I think the last time
he 
may have been dehydrated-it was 27-28 and the time before it was 18.5
(7/23). 
She was happy with the pinkness of his gums-not real pink, but not that
death 
white color we dread.  His fever was gone, back down to 100.5 from 104.7 the

week before. She suspected he had a herpes virus-he developed a little
lesion on 
the top of his nose that has healed. Luckily we picked up our LTCI order
that 
day-she said she wanted to keep him on it weekly for now until his numbers
get 
back up. I will never try and space the LTCI 8-10 weeks apart. That is when
he 
crashed with this anemia. Luckily his last CBC on 8/7 stated that the
Absolute 
Reticulocyte count of 70610 shows that it is so far a regenerative anemia. I

have the higher calorie wet food from the vet and he really likes it. We are

taking it a day at a time, but he is perking up-he still sleeps alot-but in
his 
usual spots near the desk and he is wanting to stay near us. He isn't up to 
leaping for the top of the bookcase yet. When I woke up this morning, he was

jabbering at me, lying between the pillows and watching the young pheasants 
eating spilled birdseed from the feeders through the low bedroom window at
the 
head of the bed. We watched the birds for awhile, then I got up-he raced to
the 
kitchen ahead of me, wanting his breakfast! He got his pills and a good 
breakfast. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, but today is a good day.
He is 
to stay on the Procrit 3x a week, doxy 2x a day, interferon 2x a day, LTCI
once 
a week, and iron capsules once a day. We will give one more PennG shot for
good 
measure-they last 5 days. I am grateful for your purrayers-I do believe they

help immensely! I am lucky to have such kind vets-they take us at a moments 
notice. I think it helps to have a cat only practice to go to, (Sacramento
Cat 
Hospital) plus they are open minded and progressive-they did not hesitate
when I 
asked them to order the Imulan after they read up on it.  This is a hard
journey 
we are all on, we lost the 4 brothers last year despite trying the
transfusion 
and other meds. It helps to have people who understand-sometimes even family

members look at us like we are insane-LOL   Alice and Glenn - owned by Sweet

Rosie and Mr Murphy! 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is tired

2010-08-08 Thread Laurieskatz
Alice, I am keeping Murphy in my prayers. Did I see that he has a temp? That
will make him lethargic. Isabella had a temp of 107 at one point. She
survived with pain killers, prednisone and interferon.
L


Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
trmckel...@charter.net
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:59 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: Alice Flowers
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is tired

keyboard failing some keys off, spell check may fix... praying for Murphy!!

Terry
 Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: 

=
My little man is sleeping alot. The weirdest thing is that he has been
sleeping 
with us the last few nights and is spending days on the bed-he never does
this. 
He is the one perched on the cat tree, on a bookcase or in his favorite 
cardboard boxes near the computers.  I have been giving him syringes of
water in 
his mouth to keep him hydrated. I have been adding water to his wet food
with 
the supplements. When he is up and about, he wants to be really near-when I
go 
out into the garage-he waits by the door for me to come in. I don't know if
his 
time is now or a while, but I am overwhelmed with heartache-I do not think
he 
will survive this roller coaster ride. Poor Rosie is having to amuse herself
as 
he is not playing anymore, gone are the nightly hallway races that end at
the 
top of one of the cat trees. He is still on all the meds and I'll give him
an 
LTCI along with the Procrit today, but he seems so tired.  I hate this
disease.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Fingers Crossed-Murphy gets a check up this morning

2010-08-06 Thread Laurieskatz
All, there is an awesome group called Distant Healing Network. It's an
international group that sends energy and prayers for sick people and
animals. I have posted animals and friends there. Alice, you might consider
putting Murphy on the list.
Just google Distant Healing Network.
:L

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Fingers Crossed-Murphy gets a check up this morning

Well, in the last 2 weeks, Murphy has gone from crashed and not moving with 
white gums and little appetite to slowly improved and now pretty normal
acting. 
He does sleep a bit more and doesn't race around the house with Rosie
(hallway 
racing), but does fly up the cat tree to the ceiling once or twice a day and

will make it to the top of the bookcase in the spare room for a nap. On 7/23
his 
PCV was 18.5 and TP 4.2. Almost a week later his PCV was 23 and TP 5.0 on
the in 
house test. The CBC from the lab test on 7/23 showed RBC 3.52, HCT 22.3. I
think 
it's the Procrit injections that are helping-he's had 7 in the last 2
weeks-we 
are giving them at home to save a little $ and trips to the vet. They've
(both 
cats) also had their LTCI injection 2 weeks ago. His gums 
and tongue are definitely pink now, much better from the gray-white of 2
weeks 
ago. He's also been on Doxy 2x a day, Interferon 1cc 2x a day, an iron
capsule 
once a day. I've been mixing a little lysine powder and Missing Link
(vitamin 
Bs and stuff like kelp) supplement with their wet food. So we have our paws 
crossed and are saying purrayers! I know deep down that this darn disease
will 
win eventually, but we are fighting as best we can. We've had so much loss 
already losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year-they (and we) were so cheated,
not 
making it to a year old. Alice and Glenn-fur parents
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bustopher Jones Please add to the CLS :(

2010-08-06 Thread Laurieskatz
What a great name!

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bustopher Jones Please add to the CLS :(

Sweet baby. At least he went in his sleep.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Thu, 8/5/10, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bustopher Jones  Please add to the CLS  :(
To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 10:51 PM

What can  say about sweet Bustopher? This WONDERFUL tiger boy won all out
hearts with his Koala bear hugs.Once he latched on he would not let go. I
went in for my volunteer shift tonight and saw in the log book that he had
passed away all of a sudden in his sleep. He was fine just before the last
shift left and when one of the ladies came in to do her Cat checks thats
when she found him,he was cuddled up with Hogan(whom he ALWAYS cuddled
with),he was still a bit warm,but he had passed. :( Dr Jen is out of town on
vacation with her family and not sure if she knows yet. Oh Bustopher you
will be missed by MANY MANY of us.
Sherry


We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary
than our own,
Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached.
Unable to accept its awful gaps.
We still would have it no other way


      
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

2010-08-03 Thread Laurieskatz
God bless his soul. He came to you knowing you would provide comfort and
love in the short time he had left on this earth. Your life and his are
better for your compassion. I am sorry for your loss
L

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Julie G.
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude

Hi I've been lurking a few weeks.  In July I picked up a stray that turned
out 
to be FELV+.  In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, 
delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, 
since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could
live 
(I have 4 cats).  I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap,
snoozing 
away happily.  He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always 
different sizes.  But he was relatively happy so we kept on.  Last night his

back legs didnt work.  This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but
they 
always came back on after a while.  But this morning they still didnt
work.  
The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal
cord.  
He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too.  So
the 
decision was made to let him go.  


He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we

finally caught him.  I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, 
frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full
of 
tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work.  I'm crushed that we couldnt give
him 
a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us,
and 
filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks.  Safe and comfy and within a

foot of food at all times. :)

Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to
it... 
so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted
to 
drop a line to folks who understand.  He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was
my 
kitty.


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!

2010-08-01 Thread Laurieskatz
YAY!!!

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:31 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!

A week ago I thought it was over because he was so lethargic and anemic-the
vet 
visit on 7/23 showed on the in-office test a PCV 18.5% and TP 4.2 (I'm not 
totally sure what the TP is). His gums were pale, almost white and he was
barely 
eating-it comes on so fast. We started him on Procrit 3 injections a week,
doxy 
2x a day and an iron supplement capsule 1x a day. Interferon 2x a day. We
also 
gave both he and Rosie their LTCI injection-it was 4 weeks from the last
one. 
His lab CBC came back with RBC 3.52 HGB 5.1 and HCT 22.5 Lymphocytes 5. He
has 
also lost a little over a pound since January, but isn't thin.  A week later
on 
7/29 we took him in for an in-office test  (Thursday) his PCV 23% and TP
5.0-he 
is acting like his old self again-racing me into the kitchen, standing on
his 
hind legs and grabbing the cabinet door with his huge paws and banging the
door 
until he gets a treat! He is back to jumping to the top of the bookcase in
the 
spare room-the eagle is back! He is still resting  more than usual-but isn't

wiped out like before-if he hears something interesting, he just has to see
what 
it is-Mr Nosy! I am hopeful that he continues to improve-I don't know what 
triggers the anemia, in January his HCT 39.5  HGB 14.4 and RBC 10.85. He is
so 
good natured-you can give him his shot and pills and he still follows like a

puppy and never gets difficult to doctor.  Alice and Glenn humans owned by 
Murphy and Rosie!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

2010-07-31 Thread Laurieskatz
Thanks to both Sam and Paola!

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SomeWhere Sam
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

Feral Friends
http://www.feralfriends.org/

Kittico
http://www.kittico.org/

Ahimsa of Texas, Inc.
http://www.ahimsatx.org/about/index.htm

SomeWhere Sam






From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 7:20:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

there is a group online called Alley Cat Allies that provides a lot of 
information and support for TNR especially
http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=191
They are also on Facebook

They are located in the East Coast (Washington area) but through them she
might 
find people who tend cat colonies in her area and other support, and also
good 
source for information for her.


hope this helps

Paola





From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 3:31:17 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to
suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a
male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow.
Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement
assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am
in Iowa. 
Thanks for any ideas. 
Laurie

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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.




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[Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?

2010-07-30 Thread Laurieskatz
Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to
suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a
male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow.
Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement
assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am
in Iowa. 
Thanks for any ideas. 
Laurie

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
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Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-23 Thread Laurieskatz
Coco had Mynecrosis that the vets attributed to a nutritional deficiency
after ruling out toxo and another cause.
I was emptying an entire bag of dry Wellness into a Tupperware container.
The thought was the oxygen rush depleted the food of Vitamin D/Selenium.
Laurie

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

Hi Tracy,

Thanks for writing.  Sorry to hear about your cat.  I certainly understand
you being bummed out.  I don't think I could be more bummed out over all
this.  Any info is helpful to me at this point and I'm very grateful to be
part of this list.  Please keep me posted on what you find out about the
FIP.  

I did come across FIP in my research on what could be causing Wolfie's leg
problems.  He has seen multiple vets so I guess I just assumed somebody
would have picked up on that if he was showing any symptoms.  I'll
definitely bring it up though.  I'm waiting to hear back from Cornell to see
if I should take him there again.

Amy

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote:

 From: Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:40 PM
 I remember when you posted initially
 -- I responded that I, too, had a cat that began
 experiencing rear leg weakness and then some head
 tremors.  Her blood work (a reg health screen) was
 great (but for FeLV) so they sent her home and said watch
 her and see if it gets better, worse, etc.  Well, it
 never got better so I took her in for xrays and the vet then
 said that toxoplasmosis was a possiblity and one other thing
 (crypto??) and so we ran specific tests for that -- the
 xrays showed no tumors or lesions.
 
 The test results said NO toxo or crypto, but it did show
 corona virus and so now folks are thinking FIP (dry). 
 They are running a blood serum test now and then once I have
 those results will decide whether there is any need to
 explore further.
 
 My vet thinks it really must be FIP bec. of the FeLV status
 and the neuro symptoms and the fact that the xrays were good
 and the other blood tests were negative -- even though it is
 sometimes hard to diagnoses FIP.  So, I am really
 bummed out and don't mean to bum you out, but did not know
 if you explored this or not.  Right now my cat is
 eating well but still has that rear leg weakness and some
 head tremors -- although they seem a little less (this
 could be wishful thinking on my part).  When she came
 home from the xrays and while we were waiting on the toxo
 results, the vet started her on clindamyacin which I
 finished giving her this week.
 
 
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com
 Sent: Jul 23, 2010 5:23 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
 
 Amy, I've had several FelV cats with back leg problems,
 and 
 they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing
 stairs or
 trying to jump up on things.  I'd let him do what
 he thinks
 he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him,
 and 
 this is always bad for FelV cats.
 
 Lorrie
  
 
 On 07-23, Amy wrote:
 
  Wondering if people would offer an opinion. 
 My cat, Wolfie, has
  rear leg weakness that is getting progressively
 worse.  He's been
  seen by numerous vets and it's not going to get
 any better.  I'm
  guessing the leukemia is finally getting the best
 of him.
  
  Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let
 him do.  Initially
   my vet said not to restrict him, that
 letting him use the muscles
   was good for them.  He is now starting
 to stumble or sit more
   often.  He doesn't totally fall over or
 anything, just gets a bit
   wobbly or sits down.  If he's on
 linoleum, he has much less
   control of his legs.  He is still
 jumping up and down on my bed,
   eating, purring, laying on my chest, going
 up and down stairs,
   etc.  I don't want him to get hurt and
 him doing the stairs makes
   me so nervous.  On the other hand, I
 don't want to restrict him
   out of fear.  I talked to the
 receptionist at the vet and she said
   if it was her cat, the stairs would be off
 limits.  This will be
   so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very
 shy one that hides in
   the basement and only comes out when my son
 is sleeping.  I would
   have to force her to stay in the basement or
 out of the basement
   (as opposed to having access to the cat door
 in the basement
   door).  The last thing I want is to see
 Wolfie get hurt but I
   can't seem to think that if he gets to a
 

Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

2010-07-23 Thread Laurieskatz
Yes. I changed her to canned Wellness and she is a happy healthy 14 year
old, 6 years later! She is not FeLV+. 
They had to take muscle biopsies and sent them off to a clinic in Dallas or
something.
This is not something many vets can biopsy, I guess.
I took her to Iowa State University Vet School in Ames, IA. Your vet could
call them.
We dealt with the neurologist.


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a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:36 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs

Laurie

I remember you mentioning Coco having this and did add it to my list of
possible causes.  Was the problem able to be resolved?




  

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Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs

2010-07-13 Thread Laurieskatz
Yes, please. thank-you~

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

2010-07-12 Thread Laurieskatz
From a vet to whom I sent the warning:
Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use
them - too many problems with them over the years.

L


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to
my vet.
I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony
or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
something here. Sorry - Natalie
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

I work with Furkids. My best friend  her family stayed there until 1am
giving fluids  taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
retested.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM

PLEASE CROSS POST

Forwarded Message:

Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:

 

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM

 

Dear Colleagues,

Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their
animals.

On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
(167346B, exp. 2/20/11).

ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
(one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
have never seen anything like this. 

Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in
case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
and return them immediately.



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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

2010-07-12 Thread Laurieskatz
I think they do test positive after being vaccinated.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to be
adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for
adoption.
Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:03 AM

I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to
my vet.
I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony
or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
something here. Sorry - Natalie
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

I work with Furkids. My best friend  her family stayed there until 1am
giving fluids  taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
retested.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM

PLEASE CROSS POST

Forwarded Message:

Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:

 

Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM

 

Dear Colleagues,

Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their
animals.

On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
(167346B, exp. 2/20/11).

ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
(one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
have never seen anything like this. 

Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in
case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
and return them immediately.



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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

2010-07-12 Thread Laurieskatz
Oh. Okay. Thanks, Gary.

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

No, not when vaccinated for Feline Leukemia, the one that causes positive 
tests after vaccination is for FIV.  I have never heard of a cat testing 
positive for Feline Leukemia because it was vaccinated for it.

Gary

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From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

 I think they do test positive after being vaccinated.

 Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being 
 of
 a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared 
 to
 the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
 Luther King, Jr.


 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

 These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to 
 be
 adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for
 adoption.
 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

2010-07-12 Thread Laurieskatz
I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the
adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go
outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am
bringing home today.
My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV
vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me
comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be
different if I had a FeLV positive living here).

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair  trusted people!  Be
interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the
cats recover well.

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote:

 From a vet to whom I sent the warning:
 Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use
 them - too many problems with them over the years.

 L


 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
  [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

 I'm so glad that all are OK!  I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all
 vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according
 to
 my vet.
 I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they
 being vaccinated?  Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a
colony
 or adopted and allowed outside?  Cats were tested, were negative, then
 retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing
 something here. Sorry - Natalie
 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
 Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING

 I work with Furkids. My best friend  her family stayed there until 1am
 giving fluids  taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties.
 What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were
 retested.

 Beth
 Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/

 --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote:

 From: Natalie at...@optonline.net
 Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM

 PLEASE CROSS POST

 Forwarded Message:

 Received this warning from Furkids Rescue:



 Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM



 Dear Colleagues,

 Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that
 we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to
 their
 animals.

 On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine
 (167346B, exp. 2/20/11).

 ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the
 vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency
 (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl.
 Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we
 have never seen anything like this.

 Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort
 Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine
 in
 case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep
 and return them immediately.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness in hind legs

2010-07-02 Thread Laurieskatz
Jenny, thank-you for this very helpful information. We are certainly
fortunate to have you here! 
Thanks for the time you took to research this!
Laurie

Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of
a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to
the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin
Luther King, Jr.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 3:12 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness in hind legs

I did a little research on neurologic disorders in felv cats.  I found a
nice article written on 2002 describing about 20 felv cats with neurologic
symptoms and the necropsy reports.  Most of the cats did not have any
tumors.  Basically what they found was axonal and myelin degeneration (the
neurons and their surrounding sheath were degenerated).  The areas that were
most strongly affected could be seen without a microscope as plagues in the
spinal cord.  They stained these cells with a stain that highlights the
presence of a specific felv protein - the cells were filled with it.  This
suggests that the virus infects neurons and destroys them.  This results in
progressively declining neurologic function.

Here's the website to the article:
www.drjaymcdonnell.com/refId,26240/refDownload.pml

Hope this helps.

Jenny
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Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

2010-06-29 Thread Laurieskatz
What kind of insurance? Just property protection or is it liability?
Do they understand what FeLV is?
Do you have visitors? I wonder if they think it is contagious to humans.
Maybe ask them the reason and then send factual info or a vet letter to
them.
Can you find an attorney to help you pro bono if needed?
This is ludicrous.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:26 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

I haven't heard of any insurances that accept cats with pre-existing
conditions!  I have two FeLV+ cats andf 5 FIV+ cats at our place.  Natalie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marnie Miszewski
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!

I know there are others on here who have FELV shelters and I'm wondering who
you have for insurance providers.

I keep getting turned down for insurance because I have FELV positive cats
at my facility. Those cats are the reason I started the shelter and I'm not
letting them go.

PLEASE HELP! I need insurance and I don't know where to turn.

 

Thanks

Marnie

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[Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used?

2010-06-27 Thread Laurieskatz
 

From: Carmen Conklin [mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net] 
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 PM
To: Laurieskatz
Subject: felvgroup

 

Hi, I can't seem to be able to email into the felv group today-could you ask
them a question regarding the Re: weakness in hind legs thing??

I want to know if they had used Revolution on any of the cats that had that
weakness in hind legs problem... Thanks, Carmen

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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head)

2010-06-25 Thread Laurieskatz
Coco's myonecrosis could only be diagnosed by muscle biopsies sent to Texas
or California (I forget which) - it's a specialized process.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:07 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head)


I, too have a FeLV+ cat that has been extremely healthy for her entire life
(10+ years) and just recently started limping (favoring her right hind leg)
and at times I would see her head bob or nod (it appears involuntary) --
took her to vet and of course she refused to walk, just crouched down and
wouldn't move (she is a shy kitty).  We ran complete blood panels to check
for neuropathy, diabetes, etc., and the blood work indicated she was in
excellent health as usual!  But, she keeps limping and bobbing/nodding.  So
I am taking her back now for xrays, and whatever.  So I am particularly
interested in what others have found out -- I will keep folks posted on what
I find out about Vixen (my cat), too.



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From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
Sent: Jun 24, 2010 11:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group,
this website has a great index of symptoms  treatments A-Z,
http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for weakness
in back legs and several things are listed, though I think most are things
that would have showed in the chemistry.   We had a feral kitty who was
paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like
you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be covered
anyway).   Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility?

I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input.

Love  good thoughts to Wolfie!

Heather

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive
 cats getting weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been
 positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's been pretty healthy
other
 than the last year or so.  Last September he was diagnosed with
 non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then.  I
recently
 took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs,
 walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods
of
 time.  His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual.
Chemistry
 looks ok.

 I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg
 issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs,
no
 warning.  This is different from that situation and just wondering what
 could be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign of lymphoma or
 anything pressing on the spine.  No real loss of muscle mass on physical
 exam.  We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
 anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with
the
 leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find
any
 literature on this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had
a
 similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on.

 Thanks
 Amy




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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-24 Thread Laurieskatz
Check out myonecrosis. Coco (FeLV-) had this. Her back legs were weak and
she was having trouble eating (tongue issues). There are several causes -
one was toxoplasmosis, one was that she had gotten into some toxins and the
third was nutritional. They attributed hers to a lack of Vitamin D,
Selenium. I was pouring her dry Wellness food into Tupperware containers. I
was told that allows too much oxygen to get to the food and it depletes the
food of those nutrients. We switched to canned and she survived. Another cat
taken to the ER that same day with her same symptoms, but more advanced, was
not so lucky.
Laurie

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

Amy did they check Wolfie's potassium level?  Low K can cause back leg
weakness.  
Sharyl

--- On Thu, 6/24/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:22 PM
 Just wondering what sort of
 experience people have had with leuk positive cats getting
 weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has
 been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's
 been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. 
 Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia
 but has been fairly stable since then.  I recently took
 him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind
 legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight on
 them for long periods of time.  His HCT is down, WBC
 and RBC are a bit lower than usual.  Chemistry looks
 ok.  
 
 I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one
 with leg issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost
 all use of her back legs, no warning.  This is
 different from that situation and just wondering what could
 be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign
 of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine.  No real
 loss of muscle mass on physical exam.  We are putting
 him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
 anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could
 be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle or
 nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature on
 this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has
 had a similar experience or has anything to add on what
 could be going on.
 
 Thanks
 Amy
 
 
       
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

2010-06-24 Thread Laurieskatz
Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy.
L

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs

Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group,
this website has a great index of symptoms  treatments A-Z,
http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for weakness
in back legs and several things are listed, though I think most are things
that would have showed in the chemistry.   We had a feral kitty who was
paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like
you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be covered
anyway).   Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility?

I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input.

Love  good thoughts to Wolfie!

Heather

On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive
 cats getting weak in the back legs.  My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been
 positive since we rescued him 6 years ago.  He's been pretty healthy other
 than the last year or so.  Last September he was diagnosed with
 non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then.  I recently
 took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs,
 walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods
of
 time.  His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual.  Chemistry
 looks ok.

 I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg
 issues.  She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no
 warning.  This is different from that situation and just wondering what
 could be going on.  We did an ultrasound today.  No sign of lymphoma or
 anything pressing on the spine.  No real loss of muscle mass on physical
 exam.  We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the
 anemia.  The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with
the
 leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find any
 literature on this.  I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had a
 similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on.

 Thanks
 Amy




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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

2010-06-14 Thread Laurieskatz
Someone surveyed the group about a year ago and quite a few people do
co-mingle. Maybe you can check archives on co-mingling if you want to see
that information.

Because the FeLV+ cat has a compromised immune system, it is important to
protect that cat from anything contagious going on with the other cats (eg
URI).
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
brooklynnat...@charter.net
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:39 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: dlg...@windstream.net
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat

My vet totally discourages putting them together.  He said there is too much
risk.  I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able
to have them all be together but I'm afraid.  I wouldn't want the healthy
ones to get sick.  I would feel so responsible.
 dlg...@windstream.net wrote: 
 Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet about mixing him with
your other cats.  my veet said that as long as hey are up on their shots, it
is okay and mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems.  sure
does make everyone happier.
  brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: 
  I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a
home.  
  I'm really not too familiar with how things are done here but I have a
male that 
  I rescued from outside that has feline leukemia and I keep him separated
from my 
  other cats.  I'm sure he would be happy for the company.  Let me know if
you 
  think it might work. 
  
  Theresa Palumbo
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Losses

2010-06-14 Thread Laurieskatz
Lorrie, I am sorry to hear Beezer has moved on. He is lucky he found you and
it sounds like you were lucky, too.
When you can, I would love to hear the story behind his name - it's a great
name that I cannot say without a smile.
God bless you and God speed Beezer boy.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Losses

Thank you Sharyl. This morning I had to take my old sweetie to 
the vet to be put to sleep.  He was 17 years old and had been 
dealing with kidney failure for over a year. As all of us know,
making the decision to put a pet to sleep is one of the most
difficult decisions we ever have to make, but my wonderful vet
helped me decide when he said keeping an old terminally ill cat
alive is more for the owner than for the cat, who has no quality
of life left.

Beezer was a stray when I rescued him in 1993 and he had a long
happy life, as an indoor/outdoor cat who had the best of both worlds.
Losing a special pet is always terribly hard, but I sincerely believe 
we will meet again at the rainbow bridge.

Lorrie

On 06-12, Sharyl wrote:

 Lorrie, I understand what you are going through with your CRF
 kitty.  It seems if a kitty lives long enough he develops CRF. 
 That is a tough chronic disease to manage.  I found lots of info
 and help at www.felineCRF.org   Hugs to your sweetie. Sharyl
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat

2010-06-13 Thread Laurieskatz
Gloria,
I hope you will consider keeping him as he will do much better in a private
home than a sanctuary.
I have a blind cat and am going to take in a deaf cat so have been doing
lots of research.
He would be fine in one room of your house. He will learn his way around
that room and feel safe.

At first Frankie (who lost his vision at age 9) got upset when he would run
into the other cats unexpectedly. He is much better about it now (3 1/2
years later and he is doing great). Once the other cats know a cat is
disabled they may pick on him and attack him. I don't think a group of cats
is the right thing for this boy. The vet told me Frankie would be at the
bottom of the totem pole once the other cats knew he was blind. He isn't but
he does stay to himself more than he used to. He does have run of the house
- he did before he lost his vision.

Frankie was a feral 5 month old kitten when I took him in. I could not hold
or touch him. With work I was able to touch him but not hold him or pick him
up. Then I had to start treating him for asthma and we both learned a lot
about going slow and trust. After he lost he sight he LOVES touch. I suspect
this kitty will love touch once he is familiar with his surroundings. Smell
is important and probably heightened. He may smell the other cats and be
overwhelmed and afraid right now. All he has is smell and touch. Wonderful
food will be a pleasure. Also you might rub your own scent on a towel and
give it to him to comfort him. Even better if you could get something from
his previous owner to give him.

Info I found on deaf cats:
http://www.ehow.com/how_2108978_happily-communicate-deaf-cat.html

If you are willing and able to keep this boy, you have a wonderful
opportunity to learn so much and to help others in the future. Not to
mention, enhance his life and let him live with grace and peace.

Thanks for helping him!
Laurie




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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:11 AM
To: Feline Leukemia
Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat

I just took in a blind-deaf cat, was one of 25 or so in a lady's  
house.  The lady became disabled, developed dementia, and our rescue  
took some of her cats.  This one first was taken to the city animal  
services, developed a URI, got about over it, was altered, tested and  
shots, and we pulled him.

He (?) was transferred to a different cage, then to my carrier, then  
to my home and a large cage.   He's not too friendly, although I can  
at times pet him on the head and scratch his ears.  We think it's just  
because of the changes in his life, that he just doesn't know what's  
going on and if he needs to defend himself.  I haven't had a blind or  
deaf cat before.

Does anyone know of a rescue that will take a blind-deaf cat?  I found  
one in North Carolina, but I'm in Arkansas.

Thanks very much,

Gloria

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Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat INFO

2010-06-13 Thread Laurieskatz
http://www.messybeast.com/disabled.htm#deaf
GREAT info here on: blind cats, deaf cats and deaf-blind cats
BLIND CATS
Cats that keep bumping into things either can't co-ordinate their limbs or
can't see. A blind eye is often cloudy or the pupil remains dilated even in
bright light. Some cats are born without eyes (anopthalmia) or with very
small eyes (micropthalmia) which may not function. Others lose their sight
either permanently or temporarily as a result of illness, physical injury,
brain damage or poisoning (including extreme reaction to anaesthesia) and
conditions such as glaucoma, cataracts or scarring caused by untreated
entropion (inturned eyelashes). 

The degree of blindness varies from total blindness to partial blindness
(cloudy sight, ability to differentiate between light and shade, tunnel
vision) in much the same way that human blindness varies. Usually the loss
of sight is gradual and the cat compensates gradually so that you don't even
realise how bad its sight is. Sometimes illness or injury necessitates the
removal of one or both eyes. Sudden blindness is more noticeable because the
cat is disoriented, hesitant when walking, bumps into things and may
vocalize more often (some cats appear to listen for sound echoes).

Where a cat becomes suddenly blind it may develop unusual behaviours until
it learns to adapt. It may be unwilling to leave its sleeping area and may
develop inappropriate toilet habits because it is unable to find the litter
tray. It will be reluctant to go outdoors to toilet. It may appear withdrawn
and call out (when disoriented or in need of reassurance).

To test your cat's vision, cover each eye in turn and see if its other eye
can follow a moving finger or responds to a finger moving towards the
uncovered eye. You can also test its response to a torch (flashlight) being
flashed on and off in the direction of the eye, but this is not 100%
accurate since blindness is not always seated in the eyeball itself - the
pupil may respond to light, but the normal 'vision signals' are not
correctly processed by the brain. 

A cat blind in one eye may lash out in self-defence at sudden movements on
its blind side. A cat with unilateral blindness may turn its head more often
in order to compensate for the reduced field of vision. It may also have
problems with depth perception since it has lost the stereoscopic area of
vision - one-eyed cats often take several 'sightings' of a chair (etc)
before jumping onto it, but quickly memorize the heights of such objects for
future reference. Fully blind cats may clamber onto things rather than jump,
but many also memorize heights and distances which is why furniture should
not be rearranged and obstructions should not be left on the floor when
there is a blind cat in the house.

A blind cat is easily disoriented and should not be allowed to roam; indoors
only or indoors with access to a fenced pen or garden is best. It may enjoy
supervised forays in the garden using a harness and lead. Make sure it is
wearing a collar stating its address and disability in case it escapes. If
it is allowed to roam freely and is chased by another animal it may become
lost or run into the path of traffic. Because it relies so much on
scent/sound, a lost blind cat will probably be unable to find its way home
once it is beyond its normal territory.

Blind cats rely on scent and memory to find their way around so keep
furniture in the same place and don't leave obstacles in unexpected places
where he could walk into them. If he is prone to bumping into furniture, try
padding table legs and chair legs with old pillows or some foam to reduce
impact damage. While most blind cats soon memorize routes and distances, not
all manage this feat and rely on 'bumping into' their signposts.

Whiskers become more important to blind cats to judge the cat's proximity to
an object. This means they are subjected to more wear and tear than normal
and can be broken or even worn down!

Sound is also important to a blind cat. Noisy toys such as balls with bells
in, a noisy paper sack or a scrunched up paper ball will provide
stimulation. Many blind cats learn how dribble scrunched paper balls or
jingly toys. According to Dean, his 2 year old born-blind domestic longhair
can actually locate crumpled paper by listening for it to un-crumple a
little and retrieves toys to play with. She also catches flies, runs around
the house at speed based on her memory of obstacles, pounces on other cats
by listening to their footsteps and uses her very long whiskers and ear hair
as sensors, possibly also sensing changes in air pressure with them. She
also walks with her tail tip touching the ground as an additional sense
organ. 

Carrying a blind cat around can disorient it so if you must move it, place
it somewhere it knows well such as its feeding or sleeping area so that it
can easily get its bearings. Don't move its litter tray or feeding areas
around, it needs to find them easily by memory or 

Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

2010-06-10 Thread Laurieskatz
Bless you for taking in Eva and helping her and her babies.
I hope you can keep Eva?
House of Dreams' website is very impressive!
Did you see there is another FeLV+ cat from CA who needs a ride?
Baxter is in San Luis Obispo,  CA.
God bless you and the family of five.
Eva was hanging around because she knew you would help her.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

Hi,

I recently took in a stray cat who had been hanging around my apartment,
whom I named Eva.  It turned out she was 3 weeks pregnant when I took her
in.  The vet confirmed the pregnancy at around the 5 week mark, but for
whatever reason didn't test Eva for FeLV or FIV until I brought her and four
kittens in when they were 3 weeks old.  She tested positive for FeLV.  Three
weeks later, all four kittens also tested positive.  They're getting tested
again in three weeks as there's some chance for kittens to convert from
positive to negative, but I am less than hopeful at this point.

Due to the illness, the adopters I had lined up have decided not to adopt.
I am single and live in a 1 BR apartment in Sacramento, CA.  I simply can't
care for five cats, let alone FeLV+ ones.  Fortunately, a shelter in
Portland, OR has agreed to help out if needed.  They're called House of
Dreams and can be found on the web here:
http://kittydreams.typepad.com/house-of-dreams/.  They have a dedicated area
for FeLV+ cats and will attempt to adopt them out to caring homes.

That being said, I would like to see if there are any caring homes willing
to adopt one or more of these cute little guys before I commit them to this
shelter.  If any of you are within a few hours of Sacramento and would like
to adopt, or know someone who does, please get in touch.

Here are some pictures:

The whole gang, about 4 weeks old:
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5876/30312101501970372950267.jpg .  From
left to right: Fuzz (male), Doom (male), Kima (female), and Pika (female),
and in back is the mom, Eva.

About 6 weeks old:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6237/28612101502070684200267.jpg
Kima and Pika:
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4325/28612101502070684650267.jpg
Fuzz: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5323/28612101502070684750267.jpg
Doom: http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/904/28612101502070684500267.jpg


Thanks for all your help,

Colin
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Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

2010-06-10 Thread Laurieskatz
I am glad. For her and for you.
L
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:20 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

Yes, I intend to keep Eva.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com  
wrote:

 Bless you for taking in Eva and helping her and her babies.
 I hope you can keep Eva?
 House of Dreams' website is very impressive!
 Did you see there is another FeLV+ cat from CA who needs a ride?
 Baxter is in San Luis Obispo,  CA.
 God bless you and the family of five.
 Eva was hanging around because she knew you would help her.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin  
 Starrett
 Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:15 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes

 Hi,

 I recently took in a stray cat who had been hanging around my  
 apartment,
 whom I named Eva.  It turned out she was 3 weeks pregnant when I  
 took her
 in.  The vet confirmed the pregnancy at around the 5 week mark, but  
 for
 whatever reason didn't test Eva for FeLV or FIV until I brought her  
 and four
 kittens in when they were 3 weeks old.  She tested positive for  
 FeLV.  Three
 weeks later, all four kittens also tested positive.  They're getting  
 tested
 again in three weeks as there's some chance for kittens to convert  
 from
 positive to negative, but I am less than hopeful at this point.

 Due to the illness, the adopters I had lined up have decided not to  
 adopt.
 I am single and live in a 1 BR apartment in Sacramento, CA.  I  
 simply can't
 care for five cats, let alone FeLV+ ones.  Fortunately, a shelter in
 Portland, OR has agreed to help out if needed.  They're called House  
 of
 Dreams and can be found on the web here:
 http://kittydreams.typepad.com/house-of-dreams/.  They have a  
 dedicated area
 for FeLV+ cats and will attempt to adopt them out to caring homes.

 That being said, I would like to see if there are any caring homes  
 willing
 to adopt one or more of these cute little guys before I commit them  
 to this
 shelter.  If any of you are within a few hours of Sacramento and  
 would like
 to adopt, or know someone who does, please get in touch.

 Here are some pictures:

 The whole gang, about 4 weeks old:
 http://img514.imageshack.us/ 
 img514/5876/30312101501970372950267.jpg .  From
 left to right: Fuzz (male), Doom (male), Kima (female), and Pika  
 (female),
 and in back is the mom, Eva.

 About 6 weeks old:
 http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6237/28612101502070684200267.jpg
 Kima and Pika:
 http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4325/28612101502070684650267.jpg
 Fuzz: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5323/28612101502070684750267.jpg
 Doom: http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/904/28612101502070684500267.jpg


 Thanks for all your help,

 Colin
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news

2010-06-09 Thread Laurieskatz
YAY!! Thanks for sharing. Lucky Whimsy to find you!!!
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news

Just wanted to give an update on Whimsy, originally a feral I was going to
TNR.  He went for another visit about 6 weeks ago to the vet and
surprisingly everything was 'perfect'.  I know how things change quickly
with these guys, but it was still a celebration.  Since then, he's been
wayyy more interested in coming in.  He DOES have the sunroom (our others
miss laying about in the rays, but they'll recover) all to himself. (I think
it's great he can feel he's still a part of the outdoors, with all the
windows in there) He comes in before dark and is out in the morning. 
Usually he stays in the yard, his box, or in the sunroom during the day - he
gets really upset if he's locked inside too long, so he's still outside when
he wants for short periods. He mostly sits with us, watches the fish in the
pond, or climbs the large tree.  I have a feeling come fall, he's going to
be strictly inside.  Now, when he wanders a bit, we call him and he's
 within earshot - he comes bounding through the yard like a puppy (don't
tell him I made a canine comparison, please).  So, we have done this at 'his
pace'.   He's become the 'lappiest' cat I have ever had, always wanting to
cuddle.  He truly wants to meet the others inside, and it's so sad to see
him look at the 'real inside' of the house, wanting to come in.  But, he's
got his own toys, scratcher, catnip, etc.  And it's about a year ago I first
saw him - a skittish bundle of black and white, untrusting and scared. 
These guys really teach us to not believe the word impossible, don't they?
 
This group helped sooo much.  So, Whimsy's success is shared by all here.
 
Shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

2010-06-09 Thread Laurieskatz
Beth, so sorry to hear about Dante. How wonderful that your group always has
someone with the kitties when they are going to cross. Bless you all. I know
what you mean about not being ready. I always tell myself that the new kitty
needs me. Maybe even that my kitty who passed sent the new one to me to
comfort me.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:40 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

Dear Beth.I'm so sorry Dante has moved on.  We will light a candle for
him tonight in SoCal.   Just a little spot of light to remind him how much
he was loved and will be missed in case he looks over his shoulder.
Blessings to you.   Sara


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 2:25 PM
To: FeLV Talk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge

My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had
him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over
kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful
grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a
long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed.
He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated
he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him
from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized
without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful.
It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not
sure I'm ready.

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver

2010-05-14 Thread Laurieskatz
Denise, here is the information I was given. I will respond again with the
oncology vet name when I have it...
Laurie

This is a tough question. I think it really depends on how much she wants
to do for the cat (and also, put the cat through). I went to CSU for Rudy's
knee surgery and they were great. But when I brought Joe there, I felt like
their approach was much too invasive.
 
I know that CSU has a great reputation for cancer treatment, so she might at
least want to check them out. But she should be very specific about what she
does/does not want them to do to her cat or they will do whatever they want.
I have a friend who is a vet at CSU and I'll ask her for a vet referral for
someone in the oncology department there.
 
I really love my vet here in Boulder. Her name is Liv Brockman and she works
at Alpine Hospital for Animals; she's extremely knowledgeable as well as
compassionate. She ended up treating Joe during the course of his illness
and she was really the best vet I've ever worked with.
 
Your friend might also want to check with the owner of PC's Pantry in
Boulder. She (Mary Lee) has taken several of her animals to CSU for cancer
treatment and she probably has some good suggestions.
 
Hope this helps. (And I'll let you know when my friend gets back to me with
a referral at CSU.)
 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Denise Grimm
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver

Does anyone know of any vets in the Boulder/Denver area or CSU that
specialize in FeLV?  My girl has non regenerative anemia and is on
prednisone and erythropoetin.  Not sure if there are other options.  Not
sure if a bone marrow aspirate is work the stress to her, etc.

Thanks!
Denise
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Re: [Felvtalk] vet-Boulder/Denver

2010-05-14 Thread Laurieskatz
Denise, here is the follow up email.
Laurie

Here's the referral from my friend. One other thing that I thought of re:
CSU is that students often treat animals, under the supervision of a senior
vet. So if your friend doesn't want that, CSU might not be the best option.
At any rate, she might just want to have a consultation with the vet named
below.
 
I hope things work out for her and her cat.
 
I think Mike Lappin would be best, but he travels a lot.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Sissy to the CLS

2010-05-11 Thread Laurieskatz
I am so sorry for your loss. So many things we don't understand.
May you and Rocket comfort each other.
God bless you for rescuing, loving and caring for Sissy and Rocket.
Laurie

On 5/9/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Like Tommy my sweet Sissy also passed away Tuesday.  She had a peaceful
 passing at the vets.  She was ready to go.  My dear neighbor drove us so I
 could hold her on the trip.

 I rescued her and her sis Rocket from the dumpsters 2 1/2 years ago.
Took
 them to the vet and they tested positive for FeLV.  After getting my house
 cats updated on their FeLV vaccine they were became part of my cat
 family.  They were my 1st FeLV kitties and I have learned so much from
this
 group on how to help them.  Both were active and healthy but Sissy's lymph
 nodes were always enlarged.

 Thought we might have made it past those critical points but a couple of
 weeks ago Sissy started the fast FeLV fade.  She was such a loving little
 girl.  She would jump up on the kitchen counter to help me get out her
 Temptation treats.  How she loved them.

 I know she had a good 2 1/2 yrs and that consoles me but I sure miss
 her.  Rocket seems to understand and has been giving me extra loving.
 Sharyl




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Re: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout

2010-05-06 Thread Laurieskatz
Thanks for this. How unfortunate.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:28 AM
To: FeLVTalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout

http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor--gamble-purc
hases-natura-pet-products.html

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Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats

2010-05-01 Thread Laurieskatz
Wow. Thanks for this. I will no longer watch, either. We should send emails
to GMA

-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:22 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats

You can be certain he wouldn't have said he hated dogs. But it's OK 
acceptable to hate cats. It's funny, when people come to the shelter I
usually ask them whether they're looking for a cat or a dog. I can't tell
you how many times someone has responded, Dogs. I hate cats. But I've
never heard anyone say, Cats. I hate dogs.


--- On Sat, 5/1/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 9:20 AM


Was watching GMA Weekend this AM.  During a segment on stuff made out of cat
food cans Bill Weir said he hated cats.  Just had to respond to ABC News
with the following post.

Just wanted you to know I will no longer watch GMA Weekends after Bill's
comment today that he hates cats. I don't need to waste my time watching
anyone who hates a living creature. I do not like rats, mosquitoes or
cockroaches but would never say on national TV that I hated them.

I spend my free time involved in cat rescue and TNR of ferals/hard strays. I
do not expect cat friendly stories but I sure did not expect to hear an
anchor say he hated cats. You can be sure I will share Bill's comments with
various on-line cat groups. 
Sharyl Cline
Spay the Shore 
Eastern Shore of VA


      

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Re: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new

2010-05-01 Thread Laurieskatz
My cats were diagnosed at ages 13 and 14. I can't recall why the vet tested
them at that time. They were both at the vet's office so it was likely an
annual check-up. Stripes was sick on and off his entire life. Squeaky was
never sick (except for not feeling well for a few days after his annual
feline leukemia vaccination). I have no idea why the vet continued to
vaccinate him and why I never asked about it. This was over 15 years ago.  

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:30 PM
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Welcome...there are some very well informed people on this board who will
give you a lot of info.  Being diagnosed at 16 is a bit unusual--was there a
particular reason why the vet checked her?  Has she been ill?  My own
Tucson, was diagnosed at age 4-5 after a few days of not eating like she
usually does  looking real pale.  

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Sent: May 1, 2010 8:13 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Hi, I'm new



 Hello all.
I just joined your group because I found out yesterday that my beloved cat
Kia has leukemia. Kia is my oldest cat, she will be 16 in August, and she is
my favorite one. I know we shouldn't have favorites but Kia is the first cat
my husband and I adopted after we got married. She is a calico who loves to
talk. I am devastated by this news I got from the vet yesterday and I am
hoping you all can help me understand leukemia better and what signs I need
to look for that Kia is getting sicker. 
By the way, my name is Janet and I'm a life long animal lover. We have 4
cats and a retired racing greyhound that we call our kids. We just lost a
cat back in November, my oldest male cat who was 14. Now I am wondering if
he had leukemia too. 
Thanks in advance for your advice. I hope to learn a lot here.
janet











  
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Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

2010-04-15 Thread Laurieskatz
This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of
the itching and fur loss?
My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even
test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and
larger patches with an oral medication.
Whimsy sounds like a survivor! 
Thanks for taking care of him!
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy

Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary
jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check
up and everything was normal.  His bloodwork and stool came back normal
too.  His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then
the right, now it's down to his tail.  This is the 8th week of this, and I
had figured it was ringworm.  He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic
didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for
those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It
may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it.  Or, it could be
severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long
fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that
it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe
but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I
 was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation.
 
My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive,
too.  Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it
can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are
all normal too.  We think he is just under 2 years old.  He lost 7 ounces,
but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal.
 
He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and
back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking
it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of
ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. 
Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are
trying to help him.  I guess I will take his results as good news for now,
and try to be as preventative as we can.  
 
thanks for everyone's help.  He's such an adorable character, with a high
pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made
sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to
getting 'in') 
 
Shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!

2010-04-12 Thread Laurieskatz
Thank-you, Georgetta, for sharing this story, for going to the ends of the
earth to help Wisp and Michael for giving Wisp a forever home!
Happy!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of G Brickey
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:50 PM
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Cc: orphankitt...@yahoogroups.com; feral cats list
Subject: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!


Hi list,

 

I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how
depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news
seems to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my
heartfelt thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for
finding a spot in their home for my FeLV+ kitten Wisp. 

 

He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for
my little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV
confirmation - second test.  I was being pressured by other fostering
friends to euthanize her and was resisting since she was currently so
healthy, loving, and playful, except for a tendency toward constipation.  

 

I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group,
so it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other
incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not
unwittingly endanger my other fosters.  I had her in the best quarantine I
could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and
ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the
climbing age.  I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were
just not a good fit for her for various reasons.  I had just taken in 5
newborn kittens and was getting pretty desperate when I joined this group
and googled for information and discovered Snowball's story.

 

Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my
husband and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the
long trek from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving...
some of it behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it
through in our old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually
arrived and Wisp received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one
of their other FeLV+ cats.  We stayed for over an hour and got to meet
almost all the other kitties (one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see
where Wisp would be living whatever days, months, or years that she will be
allowed by her Creator and of course to talk to Michael and his family and
watch him expertly assess our kitten.

 

I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life.  She
doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even
right now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on
sawhorses in my livingroom!  Michael told us that the bowel issues are
resolving and she is looking great and acting very happy.  I miss her, but I
KNOW this is the most perfect placement I could have found for her... a
loving home with other FeLV+ cats she can socialize with and someone who is
knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a family that will take care of her for as
long as she lives.

 

Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family!

 

Sincerely,

 

Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!)  bye for now!

 

 
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

2010-04-07 Thread Laurieskatz
Yes I think the damaging dose is 10mg or more.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were 
at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage.  Last hard drive crash took 
a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one.

Gary

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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

 from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has
 involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in
 some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk
 blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone.


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Re: [Felvtalk] but day 9 of baytril

2010-04-07 Thread Laurieskatz
But I was told that repeatedly dosing Frankie, even with smaller amounts,
could have caused his blindness.


-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were 
at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage.  Last hard drive crash took 
a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one.

Gary

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Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:26 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril

 from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has
 involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in
 some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk
 blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone.


 MC
 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

2010-04-02 Thread Laurieskatz
It would be safer for him and any other kitties around if you could keep him
inside full time.
Some of mine were outside full time before I rescued them. They are happy to
be inside and no having to dodge cars and predators.

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic
chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be?
 
I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy.  I'll put a cage
in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all the
time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still.  He's had some
flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again.  He's still
battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't
know if that effects using flea/mite treatment.  The vet has been amazed
he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course.
 
 


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

2010-04-02 Thread Laurieskatz
agree

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:03 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?

I used Revolution. Of the spot on treatments it is supposed to be the least
toxic. Plus it protects against more tha fleas, ear nites and heartworms.

Sally

Sally


On Fri, Apone \\r 2, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
 wrote:

 does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic
 chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be?

 I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy.  I'll put a
cage
 in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all
the
 time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still.  He's had some
 flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again.  He's still
 battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't
 know if that effects using flea/mite treatment.  The vet has been amazed
 he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course.





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Re: [Felvtalk] scissors cut is getting stitched tomorrow

2010-03-30 Thread Laurieskatz
Thoughts and prayers for Mewey! Good plan. 


-Original Message-
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] scissors cut is getting stitched tomorrow

This seems kind of trivial but in light of the recent emails I'm a little
scared.  Mewey, our FeLV little girl, who I accidentally cut while digging
out a mat, is getting the cut stitched up tomorrow morning under anesthesia.
I would appreciate your good thoughts and prayers for her. 

My prayers go out to all of you who are hurting and struggling.  You don't
know how much good you have done-really.  The amount of knowledge you all
have is amazing.  All of your kittens are lucky to have spent any time with
you, even if it was short.  I really mean that.  Please don't feel that you
let them down because you didn't.  Thank God they weren't with me!
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - twitching/jerking

2010-03-30 Thread Laurieskatz
Can't be sure where the calici came from. Can't you bring him inside and put
him in a kennel and cover with a towel?
He obviously needs help and is asking you to help him. Or put him in a car
or garage. I have a friend who takes in kitties who need help and puts them
in a carrier with towel over. Can you get him to a vet tonight or tomorrow?
This cat needs your help. Please let go of your fear and help him.
My cat gets crazy from allergies. It could be an easy treatable thing. I
would not write him off. 
I couldn't stand seeing someone suffering like this. Please help him. Cats
go and hide if they are dying. He is there, begging for your help.
L


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - twitching/jerking

My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard.  You might
recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom.  He developed a
terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that.  On the day I was to bring
him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but
now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties
had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have
immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop
touching him (even w/ my usual gloves).  I know it hurt his feelings but I
still visited him.  He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. 
Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and
twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes.  He is coming up to all our
windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey).  My
boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I
 can't interact with him. 
 
I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need
time.  But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not
a cat who can be syringe fed.  I'm not used to considering 'no options'.  Is
this the end?
 
:( Shannon


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Or PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking

2010-03-30 Thread Laurieskatz
Or if he got into poison of some kind, time is of the essence and could mean
the difference between life and death for this kitty.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking

I should also mention that he seems frantic too, and runs in bursts, jumps
on fences, but nearly falls off.  He's been running in circles in the
yard.   He also just let out a bunch of sneezes.  I hope I didn't give him
what my guys have, this has been a horrible time.
I always touched him w/ gloves, tied my hair back, etc.  
 
Is my only option??I was so hoping we'd have him in during the Summer. 
He's about 1 /12 yrs old. We cannot bring him in, all the extra spots are
quarantined and I won't be allowed and I don't own the house and I
understand wanted to protect the others (who nearly died this week - needed
fluids, temps over 105, and we are still closely watching our FIV/HCM boy
and lupus/HCM boy.  This seems too cruel.  He needs me now to hold him and I
can't.  
 
I assume he will go down hill quickly? I want to know he doesn't get so
confused that he runs off and gets hurt or attacked by a coyote (we had our
first in the yard the other day) 
 
Coming to grips with the fact that this is the first one I can't do
everything for is very difficult.
 
Shannon

--- On Tue, 3/30/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote:


From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com
Subject: Whimsy - twitching/jerking
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 5:57 PM







My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard.  You might
recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom.  He developed a
terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that.  On the day I was to bring
him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but
now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties
had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have
immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop
touching him (even w/ my usual gloves).  I know it hurt his feelings but I
still visited him.  He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. 
Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and
twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes.  He is coming up to all our
windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey).  My
boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I
 can't interact with him. 
 
I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need
time.  But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not
a cat who can be syringe fed.  I'm not used to considering 'no options'.  Is
this the end?
 
:( Shannon



  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy has been poisoned...I think

2010-03-30 Thread Laurieskatz
I found this on search of twitching anorexic cat.
PLEASE HELP HIM NOW. Please get him safely inside and to a vet asap.
His life depends on your intervention.


Insecticide Toxicity in Cats
Organophosphate and Carbamate Toxicity
 
Areas that are geographically prone to heavy flea and tick infestations tend
to use many different forms of insecticide (e.g., organophosphates and
carbamates). But exposure to insecticides -- especially after heavy or
repeated applications of the chemicals -- may be toxic to cats. 
 
These forms of insecticide poisoning affect both dogs and cats. If you would
like to learn more about how it affects dogs please this page in the PetMD
health library.

Symptoms and Types

Cats exposed to toxic chemicals may not exhibit all of the signs of
poisoning. In fact, sometimes insecticides will cause the opposite of these
symptoms instead, but there will usually be some indication that the cat is
not well. If you suspect that your pet is unwell because of exposure to
insecticides, you will need to remove your cat from the toxic environment,
or cease using the insecticides, and seek medical attention for it before
the condition becomes dire.

The following are some of the symptoms of toxic poisoning:
•Fever
•Vomiting
•Diarrhea
•Anorexia
•Depression
•Seizures
•Muscle tremors
•Hypersalivation
•Constricted pupils
•Increased heart rate
•Lack of coordination (i.e., trouble walking)
•Respiratory failure (e.g., trouble breathing)

Toxic levels of carbamate insecticides like methomyl and carbofuran can
cause seizures and respiratory arrest in your dog. Organophosphate toxicity,
meanwhile, may lead to chronic anorexia, muscle weakness and muscle
twitching which may last for days or even weeks. Someorganophosphate
insecticides commonly used include coumaphos, cyothioate, diazinon,
fampfhur, fention, phosmet, and tetrachlorvinphos.

This same kind of poisoning can occur with agricultural, lawn and garden
insecticide products. Organophosphate types of these products are acephate,
chlorpyrifos, diazinon, disulfoton, fonofos, malathion, parathion and
terbufos. Carbamate types of these products are carbofuran and methomyl.

This same kind of poisoning can occur with agricultural, lawn and garden
insecticide products. Organophosphate types of these products are acephate,
chlorpyrifos (which is especially toxic to cats), diazinon, disulfoton,
fonofos, malathion, parathion and terbufos. Carbamate types of these
products are carbofuran and methomyl.

Organophosphate and carbamate insecticides inhibit cholinesterases and
acetylcholinesterase, essential enzymes in the body. Cholinesterases are
enzymes which break down acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter.

Consequently, acetylcholine remains attached to the postsynaptic receptors
of the neurons causing continuous, unending nervous transmission to nervous
tissue, organs and muscles (smooth and skeletal). This causes seizures and
shaking.

 

Causes
Toxicity can occur due to the overuse, misuse, or use of multiple
cholinesterase-inhibiting insecticides; overexposure to insecticides in the
surrounding home environment; the misuse of organophosphate insecticides in
cats (e.g., organophosphate-containing dips labeled for dogs only,
inappropriately applied to cats); or the intentional application of house or
yard insecticides on cats.
 

Diagnosis
If your cat has been diagnosed as having toxic levels of insecticide in its
system, your veterinarian will immediately stabilize and decontaminate your
pet. Your veterinarian will also administer an antidotal treatment to your
cat.
 

You will need to give a thorough history of your cat's health, onset of
symptoms, and possible incidents that might have preceded this condition. If
you know what type of toxin your pet was exposed to, or you have a sample of
it, you should take a sample with you so that your doctor can better treat
the poisoning. Your veterinarian will then send a sample of whole blood to a
laboratory experienced in handling animal samples. A positive result is
confirmed when cholinesterase in the blood is less than 25 percent of normal
levels.
 

Treatment
Depending on how long it has been since your cat ingested the toxin (if
exposure was via ingestion), you veterinarian may induce vomiting for your
pet. Your doctor may also wash out it’s stomach with a tube (lavage), and
then give it activated charcoal to detoxify and neutralize any remaining
insecticide. Antidotal treatments specific to the toxin will also be given
to your pet. Further treatment may include an oxygen cage if your pet is
having trouble breathing, and fluid therapy if your pet has been unable to
drink or is anorexic.

 Cats suffering from seizures will be given anti-seizure medication to stop
the seizures. If exposure to the toxin came through the skin, your
veterinarian will use specialized wash for removing the residue from the
hair and skin of your pet.

 
Living and Management
The sooner your cat is treated after being exposed to 

Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

2010-03-29 Thread Laurieskatz
Yes and only clean it once with HP.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:19 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

You know--A  D Cream (not ointment) works really great too--comes in a
tube-usually in baby dept at drug store.  But I'd let it air out a bit after
cleaning w. Peroxide.  

Christiane Biagi
Cell:  914-720-6888
ti...@mindspring.com 
Volunteer-Friends of the St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter


-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:43 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very
quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
It's amazing.
L

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From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on  
the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal  
powder or liquid.

Gloria



On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted  
 anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their  
 mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our  
 garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just  
 under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.  
 I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its  
 just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a  
 little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the  
 bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied  
 it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you  
 think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch  
 it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the  
 vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite  
 a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do  
 the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's  
 almost 2 years old.
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens  
 we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
 Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out  
 too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets  
 and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to  
 all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I  
 read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful  
 but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks  
 for any advice you have.

 Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

2010-03-29 Thread Laurieskatz
Yes.

-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Thanks a lot.  I feel better.  Can you get the Calendula Gel at a health 
store? I imagine drug stores don't carry it.
- Original Message - 
From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat


 Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things 
 very
 quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
 It's amazing.
 L

 -Original Message-
 From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
 [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
 Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

 I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on
 the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal
 powder or liquid.

 Gloria



 On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted
 anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their
 mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our
 garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just
 under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.
 I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its
 just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a
 little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the
 bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied
 it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you
 think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch
 it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the
 vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite
 a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do
 the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's
 almost 2 years old.
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens
 we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
 Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out
 too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets
 and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to
 all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I
 read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful
 but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks
 for any advice you have.

 Linda
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[Felvtalk] for Laura and Sharyl

2010-03-29 Thread Laurieskatz
I am sorry Laura and Sharyl.
It never gets easier

Laura, be gentle with yourself. This is a lot of loss in a short time. 
If your gut tells you to stay home then I think you should.
Please don't be waiting for more bad news or you will surely get it.
Can you perhaps try saying you deserve GOOD NEWS now 

With love,
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:57 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today

I am so sorry.  I am more sorry then words can describe.  Brillo, Desmond
and Nibbler are there guiding your babies home.  3  Crystal



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Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:29:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today

Last night I had the most horrible dream - I suppose because I knew what
would happen today. In my dream I reached out to touch a big purple glass
ball - then it turned around and it was a grinning human skull on a dog's
body. I just knew it was there to take all my cats so I threw a big candle
at it. It said in a mocking voice, You wouldn't hurt a dog, would you? Not
a dog. Then I picked up a big stick and tried to hit it. It killed all my
cats with the exception of a black and white one  I was very relieved that
I'd managed to save one. Now that's what I call a stress dream.
I don't even know if I'm going to go to work tomorrow. I just want to stay
home and be quiet. Today it was Speckles. Not even 2 weeks ago it was
Bridget, and 5 days before Bridget it was Baby Girl. A few weeks before that
it was Frosty Paws. I'm just waiting for the next bit of bad news.

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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

2010-03-28 Thread Laurieskatz
I think triple antibiotic cream might be preferred to Neosporin?
If you can hold her, good idea to do so for a few minutes to give the anti
biotic a chance :-)
-Original Message-
From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

Hello everyone,
I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My
neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their mother was a stray cat
in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage.  I was just trying to cut
a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her
skin.  I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a
little but its just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and
a little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage
to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on.  I'm
just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you think I need to take
her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days?  I don't
want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to.   I have 2
cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need
any more but I want to do the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a
FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. 
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens we
originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.   Originally
my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the
first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets and I have someone I can
trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost  little
ones lately.   I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list
because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I
can.  Thanks for any advice you have.  

Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

2010-03-28 Thread Laurieskatz
Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very
quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me).
It's amazing.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane
Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat

I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on  
the cut.  Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal  
powder or liquid.

Gloria



On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote:

 Hello everyone,
 I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted  
 anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats.  Their  
 mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our  
 garage.  I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just  
 under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin.  I feel so bad.  
 I've never done that before to any pet.  It bled a little but its  
 just the skin that was cut.  We put some Neosporin on it and a  
 little gauze bandage.  We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the  
 bandage to keep it on so I cut  a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied  
 it on.  I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do.  Do you  
 think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch  
 it for a few days?  I don't want to stress her by taking her to the  
 vet if I don't have to.   I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite  
 a few vet bills lately too.  I don't need any more but I want to do  
 the right thing too.  How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's  
 almost 2 years old.
 I'm becoming quite a worrier.  We have already lost 2 of the kittens  
 we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can.
 Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out  
 too late for the first one that that's not the case.  I changed vets  
 and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to  
 all of you who have lost  little ones lately.   I cry ever time I  
 read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful  
 but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can.  Thanks  
 for any advice you have.

 Linda
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

2010-03-27 Thread Laurieskatz
My vet no longer recommends FeLV vaccine, either. 
Tessa, my last rescue, has not been vaccinated for FeLV. She was tested and
isolated before being introduced to the others. I have usually tested new
cats at least twice before introducing to the others.
I don't have any FeLV+ cats living in my house. If I did, I would vaccinate
the others - at least the first shot and first booster. My vet thinks the
first two (30 days apart) will protect for life.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:51 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccine

A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her
vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case,
she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died
at 18 months of age.  She had her other two cats vaccinated
last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went
to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't
recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters 
or any FelV shots.

Have any of you heard anything about this?

Lorrie

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Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond

2010-03-24 Thread Laurieskatz
I am so sorry. Nibbler will light the way for them
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:01 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond

Both of my beautiful baby boys, Brillo and Desmond joined their brother
Nibbler in heaven today.
My heart is broken.  They will be missed more then words can describe.


  


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Re: [Felvtalk] some comfort

2010-03-24 Thread Laurieskatz
This is wonderful detail! I am taking a online on demand course from the
Louise Hay group and heard John Holland, the communicator, last night. 
He no longer does readings but says he can identify the breed of a dog from
the other side who speaks to him and how comforting that is to those left
behind.
Thank-you for sharing this exciting communication!
I think your subject line says it all :-)
Laurie
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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] some comfort

I think I mentioned a few days ago that I would be speaking with an animal
communicator about Bridget. That happened tonight. I do feel better. I'd
been so upset about my decision to have her spayed in spite of my
apprehension, but he said he felt she had a weak immune system, perhaps
liver problems, and the body she had wouldn't have lasted long. He said the
vet did give her too much anesthesia - it was the standard amount for a cat
her size, but it was just too much for her because she had some underlying
problems. 
It was interesting. He said she'd been part of a litter with other cats who
looked very much like her (very true) and who had the same problem (her
brother died in September). He did say that he didn't see Chutney or the
other cats around her, even though he knew that I had had other cats who had
passed.
This is where it gets strange. He said, She's showing me a whole lot of
other cats and says you just got two more cats. (yes, the FeLV+ cat from
Smyrna and one from work who tested positive for FIV so I just kept him.)
These cats came just a few days ago. He said, be prepared, she says more
cats will be coming. He wanted to know if I worked in rescue, and I do work
at a shelter. I asked him if she said anything about other animals, and he
said she was talking about a medium sized, very noisy black dog (she kept
saying I heard the dog) who hadn't been around for very long (I just got
that dog back in early January). That's a dog who would always jump up at
her when I let the dogs into the house, and she's the noisiest damn dog
ever. And he said she kept mentioning a farm and some other sort of animal,
but he wasn't sure what. I don't have farm animals but I do have a ton of
turtles who spend winters in the garage with the positive cats  summers
 outdoors. That might be what he was referring to.
I asked him whether she liked where she was buried. He said, She says it's
a memorial garden with flowers and a big oak tree, and she's with others.
Very true! And the strangest thing: I wondered if she was still around, and
he said, You have a very big, comfortable bed with a very soft burgundy or
wine colored throw on it, and that's where she is. And yes - it's a thick,
double fleece wine colored big blanket, and it's always on the bed, and the
cats and the dogs love it as much as I do.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-20 Thread Laurieskatz
Ditto! Lucky kitten and lucky youunconditional love!

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:48 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead


Jeff, what a wonderful storyand you a an angel for giving this little
guy a chance to live an to know what love feels like.  Bravo!!


  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat

2010-03-20 Thread Laurieskatz
I am certain this was meant to be. What a wonderful gift and what a blessing
for you and the little one. 
What wonderful people to board her for that long. This little girl was just
waiting for you
Thank-you, Bridget. (Keisha sent me Tessa after she died- she is almost the
same cat, even down to the raspy meow).
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:25 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat

First, thank you everyone for all your kindness and support over Bridget's
passing. I appreciate it so much. But she's sent me another FeLV+ friend to
help! On the evening of 3/17, the day she died, I checked the adoptable
positives section of the website. Lo and behold, someone in GA had posted an
available kitty just the day before. I never, ever check those postings,
ever, but I figured the best way to honor Bridget, Baby Girl, Frosty Paws
and the rest would be to take in another needy baby. These kind people had
found this little girl in their neighborhood, but couldn't keep her due to
the wife's allergies. They'd been boarding her at their vet's office for 5
weeks but hadn't been able to find her a home. Anyway, they brought me the
cat yesterday, and she's just wonderful...still a little nervous around my
big boys, but she'll be fine. Maybe this was meant to be.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread Laurieskatz
I am very glad you spoke to someoneplease let us know what you hear from
Bridget. The morning after Keisha died I felt and heard (she purred
constantly and loudly) her glued next to me in bed in those first seconds
before reality slams into your consciousness. I know she was sleeping with
me one last time. 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we
spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two
lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more.
Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive!
She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the
other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

--- On Fri, 3/19/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:


From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-19 Thread Laurieskatz
Laura, I just looked back and realize you lost all 3 kitties in just 30 days
PLEASE be gentle with yourself and give yourself time to grieve. It was
suggested to me: every morning write down one thing I am grateful for, one
way I am going to bring joy to myself that day and one way I am going to
bring joy to others that day. It has helped me.
L

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:22 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we
spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two
lessons:  one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more.
Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive!
She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the
other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday).

--- On Fri, 3/19/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote:


From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM


please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with
the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER
have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best,
in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an
inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that
bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time.
sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way.

i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to
think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than
to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest
cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic
glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of
those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our
ability, and know that every minute is a gift.

GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others
who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you
when the most intense pain has diminished a bit.

MC

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Maybe That'll Make The Difference

MaryChristine
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Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team)
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Laura, sending healing thoughts, energy and prayers to you. You did right by
these kitties. There are so many things we cannot control. You gave them
love and they had a better life with you than they would have had
otherwise...even though brief. Godspeed, sweet Bridget. 

My beloved Keisha, (age unknown, FeLv-) was my kitty for 10 years. One day
she was having trouble breathing. I took her to the ER. The vet told me he
wanted to give her some oxygen and that she would be fine. He told me to
come back in 2 hours. He called me an hour later and said she died. I had so
many questions and guilt and then some days later I realized my guilt and
the answers to my questions would not bring her back and I did the best I
could.  
I did request a necropsy and did learn her cause of death (congestive heart
failure. I also learned she had beginning stage lung cancer). Knowing what
she died of did provide some measure of comfort but didn't change things.

My best,
Laurie 

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

Oh Laura I am so sorry. You have truly had an awful time lately. Please
don't blame yourself. I've had a couple kitties die under anesthesia. It has
usually been their heart. 
You are such a wonderful person to take in these kitties  have done so much
more than most people would have. Unfortunately having these kitties takes a
horrible toll on our hearts. My thoughts are with you. 

Beth
Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org   

--- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM

Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly
under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and
now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then
Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have
been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her.
Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with
it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I
have to know whether I killed my cat.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

2010-03-17 Thread Laurieskatz
Laura, you are obviously blessed with strong intuitive thought.  
I am so sorry that you are having these feelings that Bridget's passing is
your fault. I know you will trust your gut in the future. For now, please
try to forgive yourself. When I don't act or do act in opposition to my gut
and something bad happens, all I can do is learn to listen better the next
time. That is ALL I can do at that point. I have so many regrets about not
doing what, in hindsight, I think I should have, but I cannot live there or
it will kill me or make me sick.
Bridget needs your positive energy to get where she is going. I am sending
energy to you.for some peace in your heart and for self forgiveness.
God bless you. You did what you thought was the right thing.
Laurie

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead

This really bothers me. For the past week I've had an awful premonition that
I shouldn't spay her, that she would die during surgery. I had a bad, bad
feeling. No reason behind it, the thought just kept intruding. I ignored it
and figured I was just worrying too much. It reminds me of something that
happened a few years back. I had a day off in the middle of the week, it was
springtime,  I decided I would go to a nature preserve near my house to
look for salamanders. Anyway, about a week before I planned to go, I began
seeing a newspaper headline in my head: Hiker finds body in woods.  The
feeling was very disturbing and very, very strong. The day of my little trip
came, and I was so freaked out I didn't go. A few days later I opened up the
paper and what did I see? Hiker finds body in woods. At the nature
preserve I planned to visit. In the very same spot I thought I'd
find salamanders. It was a mentally ill man who had suffered from an
 apparent heart attack and died. 
This time I didn't trust my gut and look what happened. It is my fault.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

2010-03-16 Thread Laurieskatz
And I do a nasal saline spray (Ayr) since the netti pot and I don't agree. 
Also, warm salt water gargle.
L

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Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: wendy
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell

WHEN MY SINUSES ACT UP, THE FIRST THING I TAKE IS l-lYSINE AND 1000 UNITS OF C. 
 ALL THE DOCTOR'S ANTIBIOTICS DO NOT WORK.  THE VIRUS I THINK HAS MUTATED AND 
IS NOW IMMUNE TO THEM.  DORLIS

 wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 Sally,
 
 I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well.  
 This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg 
 of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off.  Had I not been popping the Vit C, I 
 know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc.  My friend's 
 family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, 
 and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients.  I also believe in the value 
 of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting 
 conversations here debating that fact.
 
 :)
 Wendy
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 the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret 
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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-05 Thread Laurieskatz
As a matter of fact, I have! 
I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome
would be.
I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the
first one and I only found body parts).  Because the second one was in the
bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a
presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone...

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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep
them out of the house :-)

http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html 


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From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com]
Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
 
Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the
thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my
vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies
but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it
is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that
the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they
are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated
if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He
said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and
found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all.
We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do
think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they
like to sleep behind our shutters.
I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~
Thank-you!
Laurie and tribe  







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Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010

2010-03-05 Thread Laurieskatz
Jane, I am so sorry. I did not realize when we talked privately yesterday
that MeMe took the 10PM flight to heaven just the night before. The two
photos of Meme are amazing (and so are your other photos!). Your love is
between every line of your story about sweet MeMe. What a joyful cat she
was. And what a character. Grief is not for sissies. I still cannot talk
about recent losses without tears. I can't talk about long ago losses
without tears. Our grief is evidence that someone lived and was loved. It is
how we honor their lives and how we heal. Feel your grief. Let your Scotties
comfort you. And you, them. Look for MeMe. I suspect, with  her being such a
character, that she will visit you. When the Scotties look at something you
cannot see, it could be MeMe. I think animals see things we don't or can't.
God bless you for loving this wonderful soul. You will be tied together
forever.
Pick up the book Cat Heaven, by Cynthia Rylant, if you can. It is a child's
picture book and very comforting.
XO
L

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-05 Thread Laurieskatz
Same is true here. I caught hell for not killing the bat so they could
examine it.
I would make the same choice again.


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[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:45 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

i was in MI then

On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote:

 What state are you in?

 On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

  THEY DON'T CARE.

 if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the
 cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the
 very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals
 are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they
 will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then,
so
 it hardly matters.

 i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew
 up
 from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i
 talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to
 find
 out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take
 that
 long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill
people
 who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals.

 so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the
 state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was
 positive..

 so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what
 that
 choice could entail.

 MC

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Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations

2010-03-04 Thread Laurieskatz
Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the
thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my
vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies
but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it
is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that
the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they
are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated
if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He
said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and
found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all.
We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do
think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they
like to sleep behind our shutters.
I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~
Thank-you!
Laurie and tribe  



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