Re: [Felvtalk] response to Laurie, let's keep the list supportive
You have no idea what my life entails. I am on the frontline every day and have been for years. Those here who know me, know that. And I have no idea what your life entails. All I know is you cried SOS and I was pulled in (my responsibility, not yours). I appreciate your gentle support and compassion as I need it very much. I will bid adieu now. Seems best for all. Best wishes. Those of you who know me know how to find me. Those who I've supported financially should feel free to contact me privately. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 9:32 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] response to Laurie, let's keep the list supportive It will sort itself out by me getting him tested, and determining if he's really positive, continuing to work with this lady, and networking with some local fosters who care for FeLV and could possibly take him, of which two are already aware. How does this smack of 'the writer not taking steps to help the kitty' as you said? If he's negative, it's a whole different story. The room had perches, toys, a tv, radio, and he had his own run outside, a large tall enclosure for warm months. I was shocked, happily shocked. you can see a different story was painted over the phone and it seemed desperate. There is a care taker for the ill relative that lives there 24/7 who I personally talked to who adores the kitty, and makes him chicken. A small part of me did feel taken for being led to believe it was dire. He has a full see through door so he can see the rest of the house. Who could not agree that a kitty mere hours away from having his life drained out of him is in more need of immediate focus. I am well aware of CW and many other organizations that I am in contact with - fosters, as well. These are all possibilities. I sincerely appreciate your suggestions, and take them to heart. I will not accept your judgement however. I'm sorry it's hard on you emotionally, from behind your keyboard, but I can assure you it has been likewise on me on the frontline. This should be a place for gentle support and compassion. We are all good people here doing the best we can. Case closed on this one. --- On Sat, 1/22/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, January 22, 2011, 8:52 AM I no longer do rescue. I did offer to help this kitty financially, I think I suggested cat TV videos and I suggested CW shelter if he is positive. I also emailed privately a list member who lives in Chicago to ask what vet she goes to. It is hard on me emotionally to hear about kitties in need (from your earlier report this kitty lives alone in a room so frustrated that he masturbates- did he have toys? A window? Cat TV?) without the writer then taking steps to help the kitty. Curious how this will sort itself out without your intervention. Thanks for all you do. I think I just need to stop reading posts about cats in need. My best, L ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: [Felvtalk] VET info for emeralkittee
From my friend - I don't usually go to Chicago for vet care. I am in the Burlington WI area so I know the vets here. Depending on what you're looking for, there are different options. For a cheaper vet that I think is very good (conventional medicine and doesn't know much about alternative,. she's fairly open about trying different things and she was the only vet I found that would do a blood transfusion for about $150.00).Her name is Brenda Long and she owns the Burlington Longview Vet Clinic. There is an alternative vet that does house calls in the area. She's good, but I'm not sure about her prices. It looks like the expenses mostly incurred are on labs. That's more difficult for a vet to control as they usually send the tests out. You need a vet that does them in house or a vet that doesn't need all the fancy tests and can do a bit of detective work clinically. I really would recommend Burlington Longview. Hope this helps. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Emeraldkittee, any update on the boy cat? I know you met him. Wondering why you felt it wasn't a match? Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 4:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: POTT, BEVERLY Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) If he has issues with the carrier, try putting his bed or some familiar thing in first. That might help him feel safer in the carrier. My go in it, but I have 2 who say NONO all the way to the vet. Only on the way home do they sit in silence. POTT wrote: Wow, sounds like she has issues- what kind, who knows? See if your vet will give you an ace promazine (or something similar) to give the cat, so that you can get it in the carrier (provided the woman lets you take it anywhere!). Since he's stuck in a room, he can't really hide when the sedation starts to take effect. Poor kitty. He sounds absolutely miserable. :-( Alternatively, I can go to the house and steal the cat for you, if you like... (haha! Just kidding ;-)) -Original Message- From: Emeraldkittee [mailto:emeraldkit...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
, the next day, she's got misgivings. As far as the masturbation thing, she said she asked the vet several years ago and was told the kitty is bored and lonely. I agree, the kitty needs a vet - 'very thin' makes me want to check his thyroid and blood sugar. It's hard to get her to stay focused, she rambles about other things; I know I'm dealing with more than a sad kitty here. --- On Wed, 1/19/11, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011, 9:44 PM Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate. Please go get him and let us know what you find out. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
I'll help with $ if needed. There's a way to do a chip in donation online. Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think. Do you know how to do that? If not, I will send you a check. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Here is the fundraising site http://www.chipin.com/overview Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) I'll help with $ if needed. There's a way to do a chip in donation online. Others here have done it, Second Chance Meows has, I think. Do you know how to do that? If not, I will send you a check. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2011 1:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) Hey Natalie and everyone, I know, just for me to take this guy and do everything it would be over $600 ($750 for a home visit) – and I just can’t do that with all my own special needs babies. I completely thought she was affiliated with a rescue group and I could do this at a discount. The $600 would be full blood panel, exam, fecal, check urine, western blot and IFA. I’m going to call the woman who referred me and see if we can do something under her rescue group. My vet works with a group but they won’t let me process him under their name. even with a donation. --- On Thu, 1/20/11, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, January 20, 2011, 7:53 AM First of all, instead of sedating the cat to use a carrier (can't be that bad), spray some Feliway into it about 1/2 hr before; add some catnip to the bedding, and maybe a treat or two. I suspect that the problem with vet(s) could be non-paymentthat's what I usually come across with people who rescue on their own and don't get a price-break, getting themselves into a hole and switch vets all the time (unless it was an incompetent vet). I would just take the cat to a vet ASAP, that's the only way to get some definitive answers about the cat's health. Is the cat neutered? I bet he's not masturbating - it's probably something completely different - maybe sucking on fabric, etc. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I
Re: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt)
Imo this kitty needs your help. I did rescue for 13 years and have never heard of a kitty masturbating...? is he neutered? She might be embarrassed to have a cat in this condition belonging to a relative (this is my suspicion). As a rescuer friend of mine says when she is trying to help someone who is not being reasonable, it's not the cat's fault. I would go over there and assess things yourself. Take a carrier. If the carrier won't work, ask about trapping him. Does anyone interact with this poor cat? The masturbation might be another bodily fluid...dental issue or infection. It sounds like this kitty needs to see a vet. How would her vet even know if the cat saw someone else. She could say the potential adopter wanted to go to someone else. I sense fear of something behind this refusal to cooperate. Please go get him and let us know what you find out. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 8:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] opinions on strange situation(kitty to adopt) An acquaintance in rescue put me in touch with a person whose dying relative has a supposed double positive- FeLV and FIV. She can't take him because of the amount of other pets the relative has and will add to her own bunch. We've had a few conversations. I have been told the following: the kitty hasn't seen a vet in 2 yrs, hasn't had a check up in over 4, has always been very thin, gets overstimulated, masturbates on his bed (I mention because to me it's behavioral/lonely/frustrated); has escaped from the room he's in and never attacks the other cats. The kitty is around 5 or 6 and has been in supposed perfect health. There's never been an IFA or Western Blot. I don't feel comfortable bringing a kitty in without some knowledge of their health - I offered to pay for a check up and IFA, and said we could certainly use their vet. She mentioned she no longer goes to that vet and didn't know 'who we could use' but knows some 'dr who can draw blood'. Today she said she doesn't want to make that dr mad (?) and wants her permission to do the IFA . I offered to send a home visit vet, but she 'doesn't know'. It's not a problem with this home, because I am invited there. When I offered to take the kitty to a vet myself she said he doesn't like carriers and might need a shot to be sedated. That wasn't mentioned the first few conversations. Stating the obvious, this is not making sense to me. I know this person is overwhelmed with alot of big life issues, and I can appreciate that. BUT. I am going to meet this kitty to see how I can help/what the situation is, but why would someone resist this chance for care, even if it doesn't lead to an adoption? She did agree it's possible he'd come up negative, but doesn't know about doing this. I did meet another kitty I know I want to adopt but these illogical conversations and this cat have been weighing on my mind and I feel I need to see what's going on. I got the impression there was a problem with the vet she originally used, like she can't go back. Most people this deep into rescue have a vet or two they know and useso, what is the real story? How can I best help... Thanks, I really appreciate any opinions or guidance from all your varied experience. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Boo not eating either
Swallowing can be symptom of nausea. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 4:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Boo not eating either Beth I am so sorry to hear this, I totally feel your pain. I wondered if they get so stressed at the vet they also clench their teeth and maybe some how hurt their tongue/mouth, so it hurts to chew? It sounds silly, but I was trying to think of everything. I am so glad the cypro is working for you. I just picked up the compounded intradermal kind, since I can't pill Whimsy. we'll be sending you good thoughts and hope they both return to normal asap. Shannon --- On Mon, 12/27/10, Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Boo not eating either To: FeLV Talk Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, December 27, 2010, 3:30 PM My foster FeLV kitty Boo is not eating, either. Shelter ran full blood work which was normal had 2 vets look her over. She swallows a lot like you do when you are coming down with a cold, but the vets said she had no fever her throat looked OK. She ate 2 small pieces of chicken some baby food off my finger last night. Ate 1/2 jar of baby food with the help of Cyproheptadine this morning. She is at the shelter awaiting a vet appointment. hopefully tomorrow. I hate not being with her. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] all Whimsy wants is to go outside
I would not just let him go...he may be trying to find a place to hide and then you will never find him. I like the enclosure idea. Even if you could take him outside in a carrier... Thoughts and prayers with you. Such a tough thing when they won't eat. Did the vet suggest an anti nausea pill? Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, December 27, 2010 6:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] all Whimsy wants is to go outside Can you fix an enclosure for him outside? He could spend some time out there then come in? On Dec 27, 2010, at 7:40 AM, Emeraldkittee wrote: Thanks, Laurie - I couldn't pill him, so have to try this. he's hiding and acting very feral again, cringes and runs when I come near him. All he wants is to go outside, he perks up at the smell of air. this is against my better judgement, but he's so depressed and will die unless I get food down him. Every time I 'try' something, ie, pills, etc, he looks at me like I'm trying to kill him. I know if he went out he'd feel better, but it's against everything we tried to do to help him. --- On Sun, 12/26/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 9:33 PM I generally crush a pill (not necessarily this one) and mix with a tiny bit of water and syringe it total of ½ cc. Syringing is easier than pilling at my house. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~ http://www.quotiki.com/people/Fyodor-Dostoyevsky Fyodor Dostoyevsky From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org ] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again When I use Cypro I use pill pockets if I can't get them to take it by inserting it with my fingers. (Chicken Beef flavors) Most will take it this way or you can mixed it in a little food and put it in his mouth. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:05 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org hi Sharyl, Lorrie, and Terrie, Yes, I meant Cyproheptadine as an appetite stimulent. I did pick it up, but have not given to him yet. I have it as a last resort. He might not be pillable. I would probably try some pepcid first (to the point about whether he could be nauseated). He turned his nose up at the KFC, but I did get him to eat 3/4 of a can of warmed chicken baby food just now. Also he had 3 temptation treats. He's still scratching at the door, so my instinct is telling me that this is an emotional distress first (obviously creating physical ones now). He seems to have forgotten how much trouble he had in deep snow, how he would get icicles on his fur, then it would get so matted, it fell out, leaving giant sores and bald spots. you all are so helpful, because I know you understand. It kills me to think the vet visit set him off; just because I was trying to give him the best care. Now I know how highly sensitive this boy is. I did pick up Rescue Remedy so I'm giving that a try with him too. thanks for all your help. Shannon --- On Sun, 12/26/10, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org wrote: From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:14 AM Cypro is also used to enchance their appetite. Cypro has many uses. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again
I generally crush a pill (not necessarily this one) and mix with a tiny bit of water and syringe it – total of ½ cc. Syringing is easier than pilling at my house. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~ http://www.quotiki.com/people/Fyodor-Dostoyevsky Fyodor Dostoyevsky From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ter...@tazzys.org Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 8:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again When I use Cypro I use pill pockets if I can't get them to take it by inserting it with my fingers. (Chicken Beef flavors) Most will take it this way or you can mixed it in a little food and put it in his mouth. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Date: Sun, December 26, 2010 10:05 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org hi Sharyl, Lorrie, and Terrie, Yes, I meant Cyproheptadine as an appetite stimulent. I did pick it up, but have not given to him yet. I have it as a last resort. He might not be pillable. I would probably try some pepcid first (to the point about whether he could be nauseated). He turned his nose up at the KFC, but I did get him to eat 3/4 of a can of warmed chicken baby food just now. Also he had 3 temptation treats. He's still scratching at the door, so my instinct is telling me that this is an emotional distress first (obviously creating physical ones now). He seems to have forgotten how much trouble he had in deep snow, how he would get icicles on his fur, then it would get so matted, it fell out, leaving giant sores and bald spots. you all are so helpful, because I know you understand. It kills me to think the vet visit set him off; just because I was trying to give him the best care. Now I know how highly sensitive this boy is. I did pick up Rescue Remedy so I'm giving that a try with him too. thanks for all your help. Shannon --- On Sun, 12/26/10, ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org wrote: From: ter...@tazzys.org ter...@tazzys.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, December 26, 2010, 11:14 AM Cypro is also used to enchance their appetite. Cypro has many uses. TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2010 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy not eating again From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Date: Sun, December 26, 2010 8:35 am To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Shannon, I don't remember all the details about Whimsy, but it sounds like he may need Prozac rather than Cypro. Cypro is an antibiotic, and if he doesn't have an infection, but is merely upset and agitated I wondered why Cypro was suggested?? Lorrie On 12-26, Emeraldkittee wrote: after a good morning yesterday, now Whimsy is refusing to eat again.? Tuna, sardines, treats, nothing - have to try KFC today.? He is having bursts of playing alot, wants to cuddle, then gets pissed off and kicks litter out of his box, paces around crying and begging to go outside.? He is depressed and angry.? I just can't wrap my head around letting him out in all that snow and cold - after we made such progress.?We live off a busy street - it's everything we?got away from with him.?The other thing is now he knows we live on the other side of the door with other kitties.? Everything was fun until this dr apt and the outside door to his room froze over.? ? I am going to get my vet to call in a cypro rx, but how I will pill this guy, I have no idea.? ? this is so heartbreaking, in light of his excellent check up.? ? argh. Shannon ? ? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work
Also important to check with an attorney in your area to find out if there are any state laws that may govern either the trust or the process in setting up the trust (legalities such as signature requirements, etc). Laurie Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work Thank you so much - I will check them out! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of merrykatme...@email.com Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:42 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work If you are a non-profit org, you might want to consider having a succession plan in place to make the transition to someone else smoother. Succession planning for non-profits: http://www.ehow.com/about_7327519_succession-planning-nonprofit-organization s.html http://www.brighthub.com/office/human-resources/articles/99724.aspx http://www.suite101.com/content/approaches-to-succession-planning-for-nonpro fit-organizations-a260204 There used to be a sanctuary in NY state that had to close when the head of the sanctuary died suddenly and there was no plan in place for transitioning or providing for the animals. The following is an article about Best Friends in Utah helping out the animals left behind. http://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb518404.htm Kat (Mew Jersey) -Original Message- From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, Dec 20, 2010 6:29 pm Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with cats, reliability, etc. I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys. On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote: Wow, Natalie, that is impressive. You definitely have a lot more cats than we have. I'd take in more if my hubby and I weren't so ancient (77 and 88) but I'm afraid when we die we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and we have no rescue group to help.. We're it! No, I didn't get that site. Lorrie On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over 70 cats - in our house. Huge garage, built condos there, and they have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it takes only a few days. Then I open the cage, and the new cat can use it freely fo privacy or not. Most often, all the other cats get into the cage (they love it!). We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when they're sick and need to be medicated. That way, they don't feel alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door. I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did you get it? Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
Great idea.I can't do that with my house because my husband co owns it (and has kids) but I gave my vehicle to the trust (so the cats can get to the guardian who lives in another state) and also a lump sum so the guardian can add on to their house. I made the requirements for ongoing reimbursement VERY loose for the guardian's ease. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Saunders Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 8:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death Have you considered setting up a trust and including the house in the trust. --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 5:47 AM We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to a Fund instead. Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the hard way. We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer, is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether it's one or many! I get those calls, and always ask your mother, aunt, uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to care for them? It falls on dead ears. When my mother died, I couldn't take her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them. Two young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine, until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo! There's only one cat left now, and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also contacted veterinarians in the area. The thing to watch for is someone who wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals. There must be someone to oversee them, too - but who? A lawyer who doesn't know squat about cat care? We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus again. And I don't have all the answers. Maybe we could all pool our thoughts on this Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take them if and when I die? Some of my cats came from very bad places and have trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the best we can. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own. I would like to find someone to move into our house and take care of them. I'd even give them the house, and it's a very nice house in a resort area on a lake in the eastern mountains of WV. So far in my will I've left 1,000 per cat to help them find good homes, but how do I know someone won't take the money and dump the cat? I worry about my fur babies constantly. They are my life. If anyone has any good ideas about what I can do please e-mail me personally. Lorrie On 12-20, MaiMaiPG wrote: Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one leaving everything in trust for the care of
Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death
I have trustees who I know will do the best thing for my cats. They are friends (and a bank for the financial part). 2 friends so they can outvote the bank if needed. I have a guardian and successor guardian. The trustees should be the ones keeping an eye on things. Better is to have a guardian you trust. Mine are my best friend and my brother (successor). Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of tamara stickler Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 9:18 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death I don't know if this helps, but we just had an attorney move into the corporate center that I manage, who specializes in pet trusts. She is licensed to practice in California and Maryland. Would you like her contact information? Tamara --- On Tue, 12/21/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, December 21, 2010, 8:47 AM We had actually set up a Foundation, but now find that we will change it to a Fund instead. Advice from lawyers was non-existent, I had to find out the hard way. We are also thinking of leaving the house to someone who would continue the work, but again - how does one trust someone to do that - and who should oversee it - it's not easy. What really gets to me, as a rescuer, is how relatives of someone who dies could just ignore their pets, whether it's one or many! I get those calls, and always ask your mother, aunt, uncle, etc. loved the pet(s), don't you feel some kind of responsibility to care for them? It falls on dead ears. When my mother died, I couldn't take her cats because they were elderly, used to their spaces, some very skittish rescues...I tried contacting Chicago rescue groups, not to place them, but to see if anyone there might be interested in taking care of them. Two young women and a man from a well-known group (Treehouse) happened to be at a conference on the East Coast, and came to be interviewed. All seemed fine, until he found out that there was a basement and that he could play his drums thereneed I say more? Through a friend, I found a woman who had her own 12 cats and needed to move - bingo! There's only one cat left now, and I could easily bring him here, but at almost 18, Arsenio is too old, and I might as well wait until he dies without disrupting his life. I also contacted veterinarians in the area. The thing to watch for is someone who wants free boarding and may not take good care of the animals. There must be someone to oversee them, too - but who? A lawyer who doesn't know squat about cat care? We have the cats and dog in our will, but there are so many details to think of, and you know that something will be forgotten! Whenever I get a call from someone whose relative died, all of this comes into focus again. And I don't have all the answers. Maybe we could all pool our thoughts on this Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 7:58 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death Lorrie, that is something I lay awake at night worrying about myself...not only my own cats, but the ferals I have TNR'd and care forin July I was hospitalized for almost three weeksthank goodness my husband was able to care for them (well, as much as he could)but I hesitate to do any more rescue work because I am not a spring chicken any more...and who will take them if and when I die? Some of my cats came from very bad places and have trust issuesmost are not very friendly to strangersand I don't make the kind of money where I can provide a lot even IF I could find someone I could trust...I'm not sure there is a perfect solutionwe just do the best we can. Debbie ~ When the world says, Give up, hope whispers, Try it one more time ~ Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 06:56:11 -0500 From: felineres...@kvinet.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Finding homes for cats upon death My parents left me enough money to comfortably provide for all my cats, BUT the question that concerns me is WHO will care for them? I have three grown kids and grown grandkids and all of them love cats, but they have a bunch of their own.
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I have a trust for my cats and a guardian and successor guardian identified. Very important. We just helped find homes for 5 cats and 2 dogs when their 50 year old guardian/owner died unexpectedly. HASSLE. The animals were in TN and those helping were in IA and CO. She had lots of money and could have provided for them but didn't. I have had my trust since I was in my 40's. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work YES, we have provided for them, and I want someone to continue the work...am actively assessing younger people who work here, how they interact with cats, reliability, etc. I still have a few good years in me..unless I'm hit by a bus tomorrowNatalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Monday, December 20, 2010 5:52 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Rescue work Consider providing for them in your will. I had a lawyer draw up one leaving everything in trust for the care of my guys. On Dec 20, 2010, at 2:55 PM, Lorrie wrote: Wow, Natalie, that is impressive. You definitely have a lot more cats than we have. I'd take in more if my hubby and I weren't so ancient (77 and 88) but I'm afraid when we die we'll leave a bunch of orphans. It's a constant worry, and we have no rescue group to help.. We're it! No, I didn't get that site. Lorrie On 12-20, Natalie wrote: Yes, rescue group since 1992. I have over 70 cats - in our house. Huge garage, built condos there, and they have outdoor enclosures for warmer weather. I use full-spectrum lights and no one has been sick in years (unless they come in with something). I put two large cages together, door to door, one half is for sleeping and food, the other half for litter box. Liter boxes have holes punched on edges, tied to cage with twistemsno horrible accidents with the whole box tippedThen I use this double cage wherever the cat needs to be introduced. Sometimes, it takes only a few days. Then I open the cage, and the new cat can use it freely fo privacy or not. Most often, all the other cats get into the cage (they love it!). We also have built a screen door between a TV room and a bathroom where we either introduce new cats to the others, or keep them when they're sick and need to be medicated. That way, they don't feel alone and can communicate with other cats through the screen door. I found a good site which I sent it to the felvtalk group the other day - but it may have been too large and not have gone through. Did you get it? Am rushing right now - vet visits all afternoon. Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest
Thanks for your update, Stacy. Prayers continuing for both of you. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Stacy Zacher Sent: Friday, November 26, 2010 8:36 PM To: cline...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest Hi Sharyl: Thanks to you and everyone on this list for your replies and purrayers. . I'm so sorry about your sweet Albert but glad you had the 1.5 years with him. It's been quite a week for us - Spanky went to his vet, then the internal med specialist/oncologist and was diagnosed with a mediastinal tumor in his chest, thus the fluids. My vets too said a few days only if I didn't do something. So I put him on prednisolone for now and may do a stronger round of something to try to kill the tumor. But I know it is dicey with his FELV + status/symptoms. I can't even think straight...but have to try to keep helping him. He made it through Thanksgiving and we are taking it one day (one hour!) at a time. Purrs, Stacy and Spanky Message: 8 Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 22:49:46 -0800 (PST) From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest Message-ID: 948524.42923...@web36904.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I'm so sorry to read Spanky now has this problem. There is a Yahoo heart group that may help. http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-heart/ Did your vet give Spanky any Lasix? It does help reduce the fluid. My sweet Albert went into CHF and was dx with severe HCM. When he went into CHF the vet gave him days/wks to live. He was lasix for 1 1/2 yrs before his little heart gave out. It is something to try. Sharyl --- On Tue, 11/23/10, Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Stacy Zacher stacy_zac...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Spanky - fluid in chest To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, November 23, 2010, 8:58 PM Hi: I am crossposting this message also. I urgently need advice on my kitty, Spanky (FELV+, early Hypertrophic cardiomyopathy).? I noticed over the weekend and week he started feeling worse and that his respiration rate ?seemed to be higher than normal (he is usually about 18 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night...
Beautifully said, Mike. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 5:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Mike Such kind words! Bless you. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Mike Finch jpact...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, November 08, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] I killed my kitten last night... Dear Kim, So glad that you have the other three to help ease your hurt. Thank you for sharing images of the joy you two experienced. Paws on the face is one of the most 'human things they do, and is such a personal expression from them to us. In response, who hasn't munched down on those spongy little pads and play gobbled them up and not been bothered a bit by the sudden chalkiness of a little tidbit of litter! ;D To hear you focusing on those kinds of special moments means your heart is already mending, even though, yes, it will be very slow, especially in lost relationships. Each day the brokenness grows less, and God helps us to see through the clearer eyes of grace rather than the blurriness of sorrow. A little more emphasis on every precious moment you had with her comes more naturally than a painful thought or regret, and suddenly somehow you can talk about it without growing a pumpkin in your throat. :) That's God healing his child who honored him by loving and caring for his creation. God bless, Mike :) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's not bouncing back yet
Alice, when is the last time he saw a vet? I know pale gums are a concern. Keisha did not hide. She was my only cat who did not. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2010 5:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy's not bouncing back yet He is still super lethargic and I am back to syringe feeding him. His gums are still really pale-I am just praying that he can recover from this last challenge. For a day he was acting like he was making a quick recovery, but has backslid-his eyes are bright and he finally left the bedroom and is in the kitchen, lying on the floor. I worry less when he joins the world rather than hide away. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy's vet visits / what he looks like
He sounds wonderful. What a gift he has been to you and you to him. I am smiling reading about him and his spring loaded tail! Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!!
Ditto what Bonnie said. Well said, Bonnie. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 11:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!! Yay! Good news about Murphy! Hope the improvement continues. All your ministrations certainly help, but I really see the love you have for these little guys...and that is the most powerful medicine! Enjoy your time! ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:07 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Beginning to eat on his own!!! Wooo Hooo!! Before I left for work this morning, I gave him his meds (Interferon 1cc into the mouth, and the capsules-one with doxy and cypro, one with lasix and 1/2 pred, I fill the extra space in those capsules with powdered Lysine, and one cap with Rutin, so his am is 3 capsules and in the pm he gets one more with iron). Washed it down with unflavored Pedialyte and then 3 syringes (I use the 3cc) of watered down AD food from the vet. I left instructions for Glenn and my son Corey to try to give him some food and Pedialyte throughout the day. When I got home tonight he came wobbling out into the kitchen to greet me!! I am ecstatic at this point. I gave him his meds and fixed some food, some fancy feast and another dish of AD. I put him up on the counter (I have to feed above Aussie height!) in the spare bathroom and he worked on the fancy feast for awhile. He came into the kitchen for some kitty treats, then laid down for quite awhile. When he woke up, I carried him into the bathroom where the litter box was (we took the cover off of it) and he went in by himself!! He is still real wobbly and spends most of the time lying down, but he is more alert and wanting to spend time near us, not in the dark spare room. A little while ago I felt something brush my legs, I looked down expecting Rosie but it was Murphy!! He laid down quickly and I sat on the floor petting him and talking to him. He'll get another 21 units of Procrit tomorrow night. Man, all of your purrayers are working!! Hopefully he is going to keep improving, good thing they have 9 lives. Another funny thing-last night when I walked past Rosie, she reached out and smacked my leg. I turned around and walked past her to see what she was trying to do and she smacked me again!! I think she is feeling neglected!! I haven't spent much time with her since Monday with all the worrying about Murphy. So tonight I have been playing with her-she likes to race ahead of you and do a forward roll, flop over on her back and have you rub her tummy! Thanks for all of your purrayers and kind thoughts. This is a battle not easily won and these little victories are sadly temporary for the most part, but I am grateful for every day. I just want the last 2 kitties to be with us longer, it hurts so much. Your friends, Alice, Glenn and the kids Rosie n Murphy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking
Natalie is right. It is very important to keep him eating, too. Cats can go into liver failure if they don't eat their normal amount of food. This can happen fairly quickly. Check out the feline assisted feeding yahoo group for ideas and info. Prayers for you and Murphy. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 8:24 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking Since fluids are so important to keep a cat from dehydrating and keeping organs functioning, an option might be about 100-150 mL of subcutaneous fluids given daily or every second day - it's easy to learn how to do yourself and saves a lot of lives in the long run! Could your vet give Murphy an injection of Vitamin C, B12 etc - could be a great booster. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:45 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-still not eating or drinking He is still refusing to eat or drink on his own. I am using a little syringe to give him water and plain Pedialyte and also some watered down AD food from the vet. While I was at work today, Glenn was able to carry him to the litter box and he did pee in it (Murphy-LOL), so the plumbing is still functioning. He spends most of his time sleeping, but for a short while tonight he actually walked into the kitchen and sat down, I was able to give him his meds and some food and water with the syringe. He is still very pale and way too quiet. I gave him a Procrit shot last night with a prayer that he will bounce back, but I don't know. Hopefully he will want to eat tomorrow. In July, he was like this for 2 days, then began feeling better fairly quickly except for the sneezing and drippy nose. Got my fingers crossed and saying little purrayers all day long. Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
I would skip the black light as it will show anything organic (spit and urine and vomit). If it doesn't smell, it isn't urine. Trust me. You would have no question if it's urine. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 10:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several
Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
He sounds like a blast. My newest came from a farm (via a shelter) and is crazy. I give her a new' toy everyday. Pipe cleaners in a spring form work well and so does wadded up paper. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 12:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? Thanks, everyone - this is helpful. It's what I figured - yep, keep the little cutie in. If we are outside with him, he's fine, but only if we give him all our attention - if not, he will pull some daredevil stunt like climbing the highest tree, or running under the gate and start scratching my car's tires :) I worry that he's just so alone out there, no other babies, and he knows mom and dad and the inside kitties are all together. I'll have to watch him very carefully for any signs of depression. Today was the first day and he was ok, but restless. Once it's 20 below of course, it will be an easier sell! I figure winter will be a good thing for him this year and might help make him a total house cat. I spent about 1 - 3 hrs a day every day since August 2009 with him, (with the exception of those few days he never appeared) so that's why he can be picked up and cuddled now. thanks everyone. your kitties are so lucky to have you. Shannon and Whimsy --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 11:38 AM My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
I didn't know this and stand corrected. Thanks, Gloria, for this info. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie If it isn't drool and it is pee, and doesn't smell, that could imply urinary tract problems. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Oct 21, 2010, at 10:49 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: The bed was wet again this morning, near where he was laying last night. I put my hand on it and it didn't smell. That's what throws me. The black light trick is a good one -- I'll see what I can come up with! I asked my mom is Lucky drools and slobbers -- she's in a convalescent hospital following two severe strokes and communicating is hard -- but she dearly loves her Lucky. She said, Yes, he slobbers a lot. So, maybe that is the answer! - Original Message - From: Natalie at...@optonline.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Some cats are real droolers - it may have nothing to do with teeth - I used to have one cat that made my arm and lap totally wet with droolif the drool isn't clear, then it could be a sign of something else. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has
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Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010, 8:30 AM I'll write more later - am feeding and cleaning litter boxes right now for cats that are strictly indoor and were either truly feral, reverted abandoned cats at one time. And when I say feral, you couldn't even get near them for a long time until they trusted us. It's easy - you are the one that controls the door. Most decide that it's so great inside that they don't even want to use the outdoor enclosure! Speaking with 18 1/2 yrs of experience - having started trapping ONLY feral cats when we started our rescue group. Some become the most adorable, friendly ever - some don't - but being indoors, with a nice soft bed and regular feeding, they always accepted our hospitality very gratefully! Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 11:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your mom and dad. Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him, couldn't handle him. Now
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Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under the deck. Some adventure! After 15 min. she's ready to come in. She's 14 yrs. old now. Will, likewise, found as tiny kitten, bottle fed, indoor only. He's never offered to sneak out. Miya Chan, once feral, had a litter of kittens at the creek and was the last one caught. She got out once but when I called her in at 3 a.m. she came home. I think she was just very frightened and hiding. Never offers to rush the door. Right now I'm working with Lucky, my mom's formerly feral cat. He is having some difficulties adjusting. The Feliway spray helps, but is very expensive. Lately I notice he's peeing on the bed (yuk). We're going to the vet today to rule out a urinary tract infection. I hope it is not behavioral, because then I'm stumped. Not wealthy and can't let the cat ruin what furniture I do have. I think the cold turkey thing is the way. In my experience, time and attention tame them. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I agree. My former ferals usually won't go near the door once they have been inside for awhile. If they do go out they come right back in. I did have one former tame outside cat who took a couple years to get acclimated to being inside, but he was eventually fine. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 10/20/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie
Check out www.catinfo.org for her analysis. It had too much dust for me (we have cats with asthma and allergies) and my boys ate it! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnie Laurie Why don't you guys like WB cat litter? Just curious. I've tried many types and find it pretty good. I will look up Dr. Elsey's. Lucky's teeth look good. He likes to rub his mouth on my hand when we're having our Love Sessions... and he'll very gently nibble. I thought, Wow, I bet I could brush this cat's teeth. Something I would never get away with on my other cats. Lucky is an odd cat, and I suspect he's quite bright. I'm hoping for drool vs. pee! Thanks for your insights. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Bonnie, if it was pee there would be NO mistaking it! Has anyone checked his teeth if he is drooling? That sounds like a lot of drool. And I bet it is drool. The vet (at catinfo.org) hates World's best cat litter, btw. She and I used Dr. Elsey's Ultra Precious cats. L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 1:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Think like the cat and you will have your answer! -- I like that! This sounds strange, but I'm not sure it's pee because it doesn't stink much. The vet said it could be pee or, get this, it could be drool. Lucky lays on the bed and looks pretty comfortable, and he is a major league drooler! He has the room and the box to himself, so no anxiety there. I see pee-clumps in the box, but I suppose he could still be peeing the bed just because. I use World's Best Cat Litter -- also world's most expensive -- and it really is excellent stuff. I scoop his box daily. But I might need to change the litter more. Anyway, now I'm doing a test: putting a water-proof cover on the mattress, wash and replace the sheets and see if I can tell what's really going on. Cats...anything is possible with these amazing animals! - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BONNIE Peeing on bed can be result of other cats chasing a cat out of the litter box or an aversion to the box or litter. Please read www.catinfo.org re litter box issues if this is not medical. It is a vet site and has GREAT suggestions. I had a bed peer, too. I had to place boxes in several locations where she had an escape route (2 access routes) because one of my other cats stalks her and chases her from the box. It can also be that they don't like something about the litter (smell or feel or cleanliness). Think like the cat and you will have your answer! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? My experience: Started Stormy at 12 weeks as being indoor only. She will occasionally sneak out, only to go directly under
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:) Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 8:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dostoyevsky On 10-10, Laurieskatz wrote: Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky TRUER WORDS WERE NEVER SPOKEN! Thanks for these words of wisdom! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only?
I would not let him outside again. I brought in a feral kitten years ago. I let him out once and when I got him back inside I never let him out again. I spent lots of time with him (kept him in my master bathroom/dressing room) and gave him different toys all the time. Cat TV is another diversion and he still loves sitting in the window 13 years later. There are links on the internet about how to bring an outside cat inside. He will adjust but will need your time and attention. If he is asymptomatic, I would not be inclined to add another cat. Bless you for taking him in! Laurie Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 10:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to make Whimsy an inside only? I would be interested in hearing others' stories of bringing inside an FeLV 'former feral' - to permenantly indoor. I don't let out my kitties, but Whimsy has gone from a cagey feral to almost house cat status. He has the sunroom to himself, and has been out in the daytime and with us some evenings. When out, he was staying in the yard, but the past few days has started to explore like he used to, and we have caught him across the street, etc. Obviously, it's a big fright for us and since we were planning on him being inside 24/7 with Halloween coming up, this might be the time to break the news to himit's not safe for you to be out at all without your mom and dad. Because he was so feral, and it's taken him so long to get to this point, we have worked at his pace - we didn't have a choice when we couldn't trap him, couldn't handle him. Now he comes when he's called. I want to make the leap now for peace of mind and his safety, and now that I can handle him (picking up, cuddling) it seems like the right time - I don't want to stress him more - he does sometimes get upset being cooped up. Should we just toughen up and keep him in all the time, except when he is with us? He does get lonely and paws at the door to be let out if he's alone too long, and I don't want him to get depressed. Adding another FeLV kitty would not be the best financial move, given the whole clan we have with various ailments. I also wonder if another FeLV could make him worse off, if that new kitty had a more serious 'version' of FeLV. Whimsy for now has been asymptomic, and is around 2 yrs 3 mos old. I hope he's one of the ones that can sustain health for a long time. I also don't know how he'd act around another kitty. so, in summary - 1) is forcing him to be inside only the best thing to do? 2) any ideas on how to make the transition emotionally easier for him? thank you, Shannon and Whimsy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today
Prayers Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Tuesday, October 19, 2010 8:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Aww Geez-Murphy's starting to crash-vet visit today This is the craziest roller coaster!!! Geez-Sunday Murphy was a busy bee, all happy and jabbering up a storm. He was finally feeling better with a week of Lysine under his belt and the sneezing and sniffles were subsiding. Yesterday he was fairly quiet but I thought he may have done too much the day before. Last night he did not eat, went into the spare room and laid on the floor in the dark. Not his style, normally he's nearby. This morning he laid in the kitchen until he got his meds, then didn't want to eat. I was able to call the vet from work and get him in this afternoon. We just got home. His PCV dropped 10 pts to 28 and may be even lower because he's a bit dehydrated. We will bump the Procrit up to 2x a week and increase the iron caps to every night instead of every other night. Maybe we lowered the dose too quicklyhe began the end of July with his first crash at 3x a week with the Procrit, then we dropped it to 2x-he bounced back so well that we dropped him to once a week when his HCT got to 38 two weeks ago. His lungs still sound good, but breathing is a little labored from being anemic. Ultrasound showed a little fluid around the heart, but nothing like the fluid in his chest in July and August, temp is normal, eyes clear. So please friends, more little purrayers for my bestest buddy!! Alice and the kiddos! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing)
Alice, you are such a good mom. :-) L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky - Original Message - From: Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 10:05 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy-One week on the Lysine and much improved!! (after2 weeks of dripping and sneezing) It's been a rough two weeks with poor Murphy and his drippy and sneezy nose. He got so lethargic and became congested in the nose that by mid-week he wasn't eating much. I started him last Sunday on the Lysine. He will not eat anything with Lysine added, nor will he go near those expensive Lysine treats that I bought at the vet's office. I didn't try it in the water because I have water all over the house 2-3 dishes for him and Rosie and also a 5 gallon water dispenser for the 3 Australian Shepherds that co-rule our home. The cats drink out of it also. I put the powdered Lysine into the #3 gel caps that I get from my vet. I think I went overboard the first day-gave him 2 in the AM and 1 in the PM-u oo-he had the runs the next day-poor boy was dripping outta both ends. Not a fun clean up when you have a fluffy cat!! I called the vet and they said I could try saline spray and/or a mild Afrin spray for his nose-steam (he already perches on the toilet seat every night while I shower, so I turned the fan off to keep the steam in the room). So then I disassembled all the gel caps-one had doxy and cypro and the other had the lasix and pred. I filled all the empty space in the caps with Lysine and reassembled them. So maybe he was getting 3/4 to a whole caps worth of Lysine 2x a day. On Thursday I gave him his LTCI and Procrit injections-he's once a week on each. He was still sleeping alot Friday, but his nose was less drippy and he seemed brighter. Today he is following me all around the house and is more involved and talking again. Oh-another thing I tried, on Wednesday I diluted some Afrin nasal spray with 2 parts saline spray and gave him a few squirts into the snoot- He went into 4 wheel drive trying to escape! He was not a happy kitty at all, so it may have helped for a short while, I only did it once. Thank goodness he is such a forgiving soul. He is feeling much better today, hardly any sneezing and barely any drips. He was jabbering away in the kitchen this morning, sitting on his little throne (I have a little plastic step cuz I'm short. It's in the corner of the kitchen and he claims it as his throne.) He wouldn't shut up until he and Rosie got their 1cc of Interferon and he got his meds, 3 capsules. He sits and waits for them, then when that's done, he expects fresh wet food! Anyway-that's our little update-I am a believer in the Lysine now, but it takes a little time to knock out the Herpes virus that we think flares up whenever his immune system is low. Doe anyone know how long he can be on it? Alice (Rosie and Murphy too!) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction
I sprinkle the viralys powder on canned food. It seems finer consistency than crushed L Lysine tablets. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 7:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction I use the Viralys too. It is easy to syringe give. I use for my cat with Stomatitis. Beth Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com Sender: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 11:03:49 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction HI, It might have been to much,or not mixed enough. My vet has a tube,Varalys,oral gel for cats.Each 1.25 ml contains 250mg of L-lysineHCI in a highly palatable base. I copied that from the tube.CAthy--- On Mon, 10/11/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, October 11, 2010, 12:47 PM I believe that L-Lysine is available in liquid form.maybe that would work better? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, October 11, 2010 11:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine Reaction Have been reading lately on here about L-Lysine for the cat...I crushed a tablet very well (I have a mortar and pestle from when my mom was here and we had to crush her meds) and added it to Lucky's food. Poor guy vomited it right up -- I mean, back into the feed dishes! So now I don't know exactly what to do...maybe decrease to half a tab (about 250 mg)? Anyone else had a cat with a bad reaction to L-Lysine? Ideas? Thanks! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI
Never tired of updates. Prayers coming! L Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 3:41 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Another Murphy relapse-now URI Another Murphy relapse...poor boy is all congested and sneezy with a URI, he began with light sneezing earlier this week, I gave him a PennG shot Friday night because he had sneezed so much that he was getting bloody droplets. Now he's really getting plugged up. I called the vet to see about reducing his prednisolone dose because steroids suppress the immune system. He's been on Lasix and Pred for 3 weeks since his diagnosis of Lymphoma. We are cutting him down to 1/2 from 5mg 2x a day to once a day. I have put some L-Lysine powder into gel caps because he will not eat it in his food nor eat the very expensive Lysine treats we tried in the past. Seems the Lysine is supposed to help keep the herpes virus (viruses in general) from replicating. This flares up every time his immune system is low and he ends up with upper respiratory problems. I know he's not feeling well because I've waken up with him snuggled with me on the bed for the last 2 mornings. He normally doesn't get on the bed, he likes to sleep by the open slider screen door. I am still optimistic because his breathing is still better, hopefully the fluid is still gone from his chest area, he was in for his check up a week ago and the vet was impressed with how clear his lungs sounded. Maybe he picked up a bug from the exam room-he was wandering on the floor, my fault for letting him move around. He's such a people person, he likes all the people at the vet clinic and wants to see what they are doing. I hope the Lysine helps soon. They said if he's still congested, we can try a mild Afrin nasal decongestant. He's not that bad yet, I don't think, just somewhat depressed. Not eating as much, but still eating the AD and all the gravy from the fancy feast plus some dry food. I know some may be tired of hearing about Murphy, but I think it may help to keep hope alive, he keeps bouncing back since the end of July when he became so anemic that by the first of August I had to syringe feed him for a few days. He is on Procrit now just once a week instead of 3x a week. Please, purrayers help!! Alice ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
All of my cats have elevated calcium. I feed (grain free) Wellness Turkey and Salmon. The vet was not concerned. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels Yeah this is what Cornell suggested with Wolfie. He was anemic (non-regenerative) and I posted here about whether to pursue it. Decided not to take the extra blood so I don't know if it was really a problem. This kitty, Sierra, is stable so it probably wouldn't be a big deal. I asked my vet about it and she said she'd first rather send the sample out to an outside lab and verify the high value. Came back high. I'll ask again about drawing more blood for an ionized calcium. Thanks! Amy --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 10:23 PM Amy, I'm guessing you have only checked the serum calcium levels. You need to check the ionized calcium levels to know if there is a problem. If the iCa is high then you would want to look into the cause. The iCa test is expensive but the only way I know of to verify if there is a problem. Sharyl --- On Sat, 8/28/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 8:33 PM Has anybody had a problem with high calcium levels after feeding EVO? I changed my household to it over a year ago when Wolfie was losing weight. At one of his last visits, his calcium tested just slightly elevated. Now I've taken my FIV+ cat in and she is also testing high for calcium. She seems perfectly healthy and my vet recommended we look at the diet before getting all freaked out by the high calcium. EVO says it contains about 2.59% calcium. My vet says this is about double what most of the foods she looked up contain. The pet store told me that the grain free foods can contain more of stuff because the idea is that the pet will eat less of it than other foods. I'm going to contact the company but just wondered if anybody else has experienced this with cats on EVO. Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels
Because they are all high and not just one of themand they have been for several years now. Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. Love animals: God has given them the rudiments of thought and joy untroubled. Do not trouble their joy, don't harass them, don't deprive them of their happiness, don't work against God's intent. Man, do not pride yourself on superiority to animals; they are without sin, and you, with your greatness, defile the earth by your appearance on it, and leave the traces of your foulness after you - alas, it is true of almost every one of us!~Fyodor Dostoyevsky -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 12:58 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels Hi Laurie, That's good to know, thanks! Any explanation for why she was not concerned? --- On Sun, 8/29/10, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] EVO and high calcium levels To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Sunday, August 29, 2010, 1:19 PM All of my cats have elevated calcium. I feed (grain free) Wellness Turkey and Salmon. The vet was not concerned. Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!!
Tramadal (pain), antibiotics and prednisone are what we used for the high temps. Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 10:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! Alice, it makes me happy to know that Murphy is improving. Thanks for the updates and continued good luck to you all. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 8:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy is improving!! It is one day at a time-the roller coaster is going up this week. Last Sunday evening I thought he would not make it through the night. I had spent the weekend hand feeding and watering him with a syringe-he spent most of the time stretched out on the bed. We went ahead and gave him the Procrit (Epogen) and LTCI shot-I put them in one syringe so I would only have to give him one shot. He didn't even flinch. I thought he'd be gone by morning. I woke up at 5:30 to get ready for work and I didn't see him on the bed-I went to the kitchen and saw both he and Rosie sitting at the open slider door screen (it was a nice cool evening-we left it open) watching the birds at the feeders!! He came trotting over complaining about breakfast-got his meds and ate a decent amount of wet and a few morsels of dry. He slowly improved over the week and we had a vet appt on Friday (8/13). They did an in house PCV, but it was 19-I think the last time he may have been dehydrated-it was 27-28 and the time before it was 18.5 (7/23). She was happy with the pinkness of his gums-not real pink, but not that death white color we dread. His fever was gone, back down to 100.5 from 104.7 the week before. She suspected he had a herpes virus-he developed a little lesion on the top of his nose that has healed. Luckily we picked up our LTCI order that day-she said she wanted to keep him on it weekly for now until his numbers get back up. I will never try and space the LTCI 8-10 weeks apart. That is when he crashed with this anemia. Luckily his last CBC on 8/7 stated that the Absolute Reticulocyte count of 70610 shows that it is so far a regenerative anemia. I have the higher calorie wet food from the vet and he really likes it. We are taking it a day at a time, but he is perking up-he still sleeps alot-but in his usual spots near the desk and he is wanting to stay near us. He isn't up to leaping for the top of the bookcase yet. When I woke up this morning, he was jabbering at me, lying between the pillows and watching the young pheasants eating spilled birdseed from the feeders through the low bedroom window at the head of the bed. We watched the birds for awhile, then I got up-he raced to the kitchen ahead of me, wanting his breakfast! He got his pills and a good breakfast. I don't know what tomorrow will bring, but today is a good day. He is to stay on the Procrit 3x a week, doxy 2x a day, interferon 2x a day, LTCI once a week, and iron capsules once a day. We will give one more PennG shot for good measure-they last 5 days. I am grateful for your purrayers-I do believe they help immensely! I am lucky to have such kind vets-they take us at a moments notice. I think it helps to have a cat only practice to go to, (Sacramento Cat Hospital) plus they are open minded and progressive-they did not hesitate when I asked them to order the Imulan after they read up on it. This is a hard journey we are all on, we lost the 4 brothers last year despite trying the transfusion and other meds. It helps to have people who understand-sometimes even family members look at us like we are insane-LOL Alice and Glenn - owned by Sweet Rosie and Mr Murphy! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5370 (20100816) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is tired
Alice, I am keeping Murphy in my prayers. Did I see that he has a temp? That will make him lethargic. Isabella had a temp of 107 at one point. She survived with pain killers, prednisone and interferon. L Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of trmckel...@charter.net Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 9:59 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Alice Flowers Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy is tired keyboard failing some keys off, spell check may fix... praying for Murphy!! Terry Alice Flowers aliceflow...@sbcglobal.net wrote: = My little man is sleeping alot. The weirdest thing is that he has been sleeping with us the last few nights and is spending days on the bed-he never does this. He is the one perched on the cat tree, on a bookcase or in his favorite cardboard boxes near the computers. I have been giving him syringes of water in his mouth to keep him hydrated. I have been adding water to his wet food with the supplements. When he is up and about, he wants to be really near-when I go out into the garage-he waits by the door for me to come in. I don't know if his time is now or a while, but I am overwhelmed with heartache-I do not think he will survive this roller coaster ride. Poor Rosie is having to amuse herself as he is not playing anymore, gone are the nightly hallway races that end at the top of one of the cat trees. He is still on all the meds and I'll give him an LTCI along with the Procrit today, but he seems so tired. I hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Fingers Crossed-Murphy gets a check up this morning
All, there is an awesome group called Distant Healing Network. It's an international group that sends energy and prayers for sick people and animals. I have posted animals and friends there. Alice, you might consider putting Murphy on the list. Just google Distant Healing Network. :L Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:34 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Fingers Crossed-Murphy gets a check up this morning Well, in the last 2 weeks, Murphy has gone from crashed and not moving with white gums and little appetite to slowly improved and now pretty normal acting. He does sleep a bit more and doesn't race around the house with Rosie (hallway racing), but does fly up the cat tree to the ceiling once or twice a day and will make it to the top of the bookcase in the spare room for a nap. On 7/23 his PCV was 18.5 and TP 4.2. Almost a week later his PCV was 23 and TP 5.0 on the in house test. The CBC from the lab test on 7/23 showed RBC 3.52, HCT 22.3. I think it's the Procrit injections that are helping-he's had 7 in the last 2 weeks-we are giving them at home to save a little $ and trips to the vet. They've (both cats) also had their LTCI injection 2 weeks ago. His gums and tongue are definitely pink now, much better from the gray-white of 2 weeks ago. He's also been on Doxy 2x a day, Interferon 1cc 2x a day, an iron capsule once a day. I've been mixing a little lysine powder and Missing Link (vitamin Bs and stuff like kelp) supplement with their wet food. So we have our paws crossed and are saying purrayers! I know deep down that this darn disease will win eventually, but we are fighting as best we can. We've had so much loss already losing Rosie's 4 brothers last year-they (and we) were so cheated, not making it to a year old. Alice and Glenn-fur parents ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bustopher Jones Please add to the CLS :(
What a great name! Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 3:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bustopher Jones Please add to the CLS :( Sweet baby. At least he went in his sleep. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Thu, 8/5/10, Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Bustopher Jones Please add to the CLS :( To: Felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, August 5, 2010, 10:51 PM What can say about sweet Bustopher? This WONDERFUL tiger boy won all out hearts with his Koala bear hugs.Once he latched on he would not let go. I went in for my volunteer shift tonight and saw in the log book that he had passed away all of a sudden in his sleep. He was fine just before the last shift left and when one of the ladies came in to do her Cat checks thats when she found him,he was cuddled up with Hogan(whom he ALWAYS cuddled with),he was still a bit warm,but he had passed. :( Dr Jen is out of town on vacation with her family and not sure if she knows yet. Oh Bustopher you will be missed by MANY MANY of us. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude
God bless his soul. He came to you knowing you would provide comfort and love in the short time he had left on this earth. Your life and his are better for your compassion. I am sorry for your loss L Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Julie G. Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 5:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Lost my FELV Stray dude Hi I've been lurking a few weeks. In July I picked up a stray that turned out to be FELV+. In his few weeks with me he gained a pound, had a cushy bed, delicious premium canned food, and all the snuggles I had time to give him, since he lived in the basement while I tried to figure out where he could live (I have 4 cats). I'd watch movies on the laptop with him on my lap, snoozing away happily. He always seemed a little wobbly, and his pupils were always different sizes. But he was relatively happy so we kept on. Last night his back legs didnt work. This had happened before, my pet sitter said, but they always came back on after a while. But this morning they still didnt work. The vet examined and confirmed that he had tumors pressing on his spinal cord. He was in pain and his entire back end didn't do what he wanted it too. So the decision was made to let him go. He'd been living under porches on my block for at least a few months when we finally caught him. I'm so glad we did, I cant imagine what a frustrating, frightening life he'd be having out on the street right now, starving, full of tape worm, and 2 back legs that wont work. I'm crushed that we couldnt give him a better life, and for longer, but I'm glad we got to him when he needed us, and filled his belly and his heart for a few weeks. Safe and comfy and within a foot of food at all times. :) Anyway, I dont know anything about FELV, this was my first introduction to it... so I dont exactly know how the tumors are related (cancer?)... but I wanted to drop a line to folks who understand. He wasnt my kitty for long, but he was my kitty. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better!
YAY!!! Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Alice Flowers Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:31 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Murphy Update-doing better! A week ago I thought it was over because he was so lethargic and anemic-the vet visit on 7/23 showed on the in-office test a PCV 18.5% and TP 4.2 (I'm not totally sure what the TP is). His gums were pale, almost white and he was barely eating-it comes on so fast. We started him on Procrit 3 injections a week, doxy 2x a day and an iron supplement capsule 1x a day. Interferon 2x a day. We also gave both he and Rosie their LTCI injection-it was 4 weeks from the last one. His lab CBC came back with RBC 3.52 HGB 5.1 and HCT 22.5 Lymphocytes 5. He has also lost a little over a pound since January, but isn't thin. A week later on 7/29 we took him in for an in-office test (Thursday) his PCV 23% and TP 5.0-he is acting like his old self again-racing me into the kitchen, standing on his hind legs and grabbing the cabinet door with his huge paws and banging the door until he gets a treat! He is back to jumping to the top of the bookcase in the spare room-the eagle is back! He is still resting more than usual-but isn't wiped out like before-if he hears something interesting, he just has to see what it is-Mr Nosy! I am hopeful that he continues to improve-I don't know what triggers the anemia, in January his HCT 39.5 HGB 14.4 and RBC 10.85. He is so good natured-you can give him his shot and pills and he still follows like a puppy and never gets difficult to doctor. Alice and Glenn humans owned by Murphy and Rosie! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?
Thanks to both Sam and Paola! Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of SomeWhere Sam Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources? Feral Friends http://www.feralfriends.org/ Kittico http://www.kittico.org/ Ahimsa of Texas, Inc. http://www.ahimsatx.org/about/index.htm SomeWhere Sam From: paola cresti iend...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 7:20:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources? there is a group online called Alley Cat Allies that provides a lot of information and support for TNR especially http://www.alleycat.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=191 They are also on Facebook They are located in the East Coast (Washington area) but through them she might find people who tend cat colonies in her area and other support, and also good source for information for her. hope this helps Paola From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Fri, July 30, 2010 3:31:17 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources? Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow. Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am in Iowa. Thanks for any ideas. Laurie Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Ft. Worth Texas resources?
Does anyone know anyone in the Ft. Worth Texas area who might be able to suggest resources to a woman feeding some cats?It sounds like there is a male who shows up every couple years with a new mom and kittens in tow. Sounds like they need vetting (altering at a minimum) and possibly placement assistance? She is leaving the country for the month of September. SIGH.I am in Iowa. Thanks for any ideas. Laurie Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
Coco had Mynecrosis that the vets attributed to a nutritional deficiency after ruling out toxo and another cause. I was emptying an entire bag of dry Wellness into a Tupperware container. The thought was the oxygen rush depleted the food of Vitamin D/Selenium. Laurie Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs Hi Tracy, Thanks for writing. Sorry to hear about your cat. I certainly understand you being bummed out. I don't think I could be more bummed out over all this. Any info is helpful to me at this point and I'm very grateful to be part of this list. Please keep me posted on what you find out about the FIP. I did come across FIP in my research on what could be causing Wolfie's leg problems. He has seen multiple vets so I guess I just assumed somebody would have picked up on that if he was showing any symptoms. I'll definitely bring it up though. I'm waiting to hear back from Cornell to see if I should take him there again. Amy --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Tracy Weese trwe...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 5:40 PM I remember when you posted initially -- I responded that I, too, had a cat that began experiencing rear leg weakness and then some head tremors. Her blood work (a reg health screen) was great (but for FeLV) so they sent her home and said watch her and see if it gets better, worse, etc. Well, it never got better so I took her in for xrays and the vet then said that toxoplasmosis was a possiblity and one other thing (crypto??) and so we ran specific tests for that -- the xrays showed no tumors or lesions. The test results said NO toxo or crypto, but it did show corona virus and so now folks are thinking FIP (dry). They are running a blood serum test now and then once I have those results will decide whether there is any need to explore further. My vet thinks it really must be FIP bec. of the FeLV status and the neuro symptoms and the fact that the xrays were good and the other blood tests were negative -- even though it is sometimes hard to diagnoses FIP. So, I am really bummed out and don't mean to bum you out, but did not know if you explored this or not. Right now my cat is eating well but still has that rear leg weakness and some head tremors -- although they seem a little less (this could be wishful thinking on my part). When she came home from the xrays and while we were waiting on the toxo results, the vet started her on clindamyacin which I finished giving her this week. -Original Message- From: Lorrie felineres...@kvinet.com Sent: Jul 23, 2010 5:23 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs Amy, I've had several FelV cats with back leg problems, and they seem to know when it's time to stop climbing stairs or trying to jump up on things. I'd let him do what he thinks he is up to doing. To restrict him would stress him, and this is always bad for FelV cats. Lorrie On 07-23, Amy wrote: Wondering if people would offer an opinion. My cat, Wolfie, has rear leg weakness that is getting progressively worse. He's been seen by numerous vets and it's not going to get any better. I'm guessing the leukemia is finally getting the best of him. Anyway, I'm just wondering how much I should let him do. Initially my vet said not to restrict him, that letting him use the muscles was good for them. He is now starting to stumble or sit more often. He doesn't totally fall over or anything, just gets a bit wobbly or sits down. If he's on linoleum, he has much less control of his legs. He is still jumping up and down on my bed, eating, purring, laying on my chest, going up and down stairs, etc. I don't want him to get hurt and him doing the stairs makes me so nervous. On the other hand, I don't want to restrict him out of fear. I talked to the receptionist at the vet and she said if it was her cat, the stairs would be off limits. This will be so tough because I have 3 other cats, 1 very shy one that hides in the basement and only comes out when my son is sleeping. I would have to force her to stay in the basement or out of the basement (as opposed to having access to the cat door in the basement door). The last thing I want is to see Wolfie get hurt but I can't seem to think that if he gets to a
Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs
Yes. I changed her to canned Wellness and she is a happy healthy 14 year old, 6 years later! She is not FeLV+. They had to take muscle biopsies and sent them off to a clinic in Dallas or something. This is not something many vets can biopsy, I guess. I took her to Iowa State University Vet School in Ames, IA. Your vet could call them. We dealt with the neurologist. Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 9:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Restricting cat from stairs Laurie I remember you mentioning Coco having this and did add it to my list of possible causes. Was the problem able to be resolved? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] [FeLVPositiveCats] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs
Yes, please. thank-you~ Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. From: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 9:12 AM To: felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com; hurricanep...@yahoogroups.com; fivca...@yahoogroups.com; FeLVTalk; special-needs-pets-supp...@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FeLVPositiveCats] 2009 revised vaccination guidelines for cats and dogs don't want to duplicate stuff, but if you HAVEN'T seen them, let me know and i'll put up the link. -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) __._,_.___ Reply mailto:twelvehousec...@gmail.com?subject=2009%20revised%20vaccination%20gui delines%20for%20cats%20and%20dogs to sender | Reply mailto:felvpositivec...@yahoogroups.com?subject=2009%20revised%20vaccinatio n%20guidelines%20for%20cats%20and%20dogs to group | Reply http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJwZm1wM2tkBF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwNzA2MjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyNDM1BG1zZ0lkAzQ5OTQEc2 VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDcnBseQRzdGltZQMxMjc5MDMwMzU0?act=replymessageNum=4994 via web post | http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlYW5mdmFwBF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwNzA2MjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyNDM1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2 50cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI3OTAzMDM1NA-- Start a New Topic Messages http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/message/4994;_ylc=X3oDMTM0OG Q4cTFvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwNzA2MjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyNDM1BG1zZ0lkAz Q5OTQEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjc5MDMwMzU0BHRwY0lkAzQ5OTQ- in this topic (1) Recent Activity: . http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNDQ5Ymp jBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwNzA2MjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyNDM1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2x rA3ZtYnJzBHN0aW1lAzEyNzkwMzAzNTQ-?o=6 New Members 2 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FeLVPositiveCats;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZGhnaDg4BF9TAzk 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwNzA2MjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyNDM1BHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHA Ec3RpbWUDMTI3OTAzMDM1NA-- Visit Your Group http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkNm5tcGp1BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzIwN zA2MjkEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDQyNDM1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjc5MDMwMzU0 Yahoo! Groups Switch to: mailto:felvpositivecats-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=change%20delive ry%20Format:%20Traditional Text-Only, mailto:felvpositivecats-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=email%20delivery:%20 Digest Daily Digest . mailto:felvpositivecats-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=unsubscribe Unsubscribe . http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Terms of Use . http://geo.yahoo.com/serv?s=97359714/grpId=2070629/grpspId=1705042435/msgId =4994/stime=1279030354/nc1=1/nc2=2/nc3=3 __,_._,___ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
From a vet to whom I sent the warning: Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use them - too many problems with them over the years. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they being vaccinated? Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony or adopted and allowed outside? Cats were tested, were negative, then retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing something here. Sorry - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
I think they do test positive after being vaccinated. Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to be adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for adoption. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 10:03 AM I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they being vaccinated? Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony or adopted and allowed outside? Cats were tested, were negative, then retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing something here. Sorry - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
Oh. Okay. Thanks, Gary. Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:49 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING No, not when vaccinated for Feline Leukemia, the one that causes positive tests after vaccination is for FIV. I have never heard of a cat testing positive for Feline Leukemia because it was vaccinated for it. Gary -- From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I think they do test positive after being vaccinated. Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 11:05 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING These were healthy cats who were to be going to Petsmart locations or to be adopted from our cage-free shelter. We vaccinate all cats being put up for adoption. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING
I am curious about vaccinating them. I usually leave that up to the adopter...my vet recommends agst the vaccine unless the cat is going to go outside. I have not vaccinated my last cat and won't vaccinate the one I am bringing home today. My others were vaccinated several times before I discontinued FeLV vaccinations. I test twice before introducing them and that makes me comfortable with introducing them. (Mine are all negative - things might be different if I had a FeLV positive living here). Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 2:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING Really...I got blasted for it by some very fair trusted people! Be interested in hearing what happens with this, first and foremost, hope the cats recover well. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: From a vet to whom I sent the warning: Fort Dodge is notorious for questionable vaccine products. I will not use them - too many problems with them over the years. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I'm so glad that all are OK! I don't trust any vaccines - besides, all vaccines do not guarantee anything; they are only 80% effective according to my vet. I assume that these were healthy cats that were vaccinatedwhy are they being vaccinated? Will they be living with FeLV+ cats, outside in a colony or adopted and allowed outside? Cats were tested, were negative, then retested and were positive - was that after vaccines? I think I'm missing something here. Sorry - Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 9:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING I work with Furkids. My best friend her family stayed there until 1am giving fluids taking temps. Luckily we didn't lose any of the kitties. What's worse the cats were testing positive for FeLV when they were retested. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ --- On Mon, 7/12/10, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: From: Natalie at...@optonline.net Subject: [Felvtalk] IMPORTANT CAT VACCINE WARNING To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Monday, July 12, 2010, 9:24 AM PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Received this warning from Furkids Rescue: Date: Sunday, July 11, 2010, 3:43 PM Dear Colleagues, Furkids had an experience this week with Fort Dodge Leukemia vaccines that we want to share with you in hopes that no one else has this happen to their animals. On July 7, we vaccinated 20 cats with Fort Dodge's Fel-O-Vax-Lv-K vaccine (167346B, exp. 2/20/11). ALL 20 cats spiked high temperatures within a few hours of receiving the vaccine. We recorded temps over 105. We had to send six cats to emergency (one with seizures). We administered fluids and metacam and benadryl. Thankfully, the cats seem to be rebounding today. In our eight years, we have never seen anything like this. Fort Dodge has offered no explanation. We will no longer be using the Fort Dodge products and wanted to pass along our experience with their vaccine in case any of you have the same lot. If you do, you should contact your rep and return them immediately. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness in hind legs
Jenny, thank-you for this very helpful information. We are certainly fortunate to have you here! Thanks for the time you took to research this! Laurie Never, never be afraid to do what's right, especially if the well-being of a person or animal is at stake. Society's punishments are small compared to the wounds we inflict on our soul when we look the other way. ~ Martin Luther King, Jr. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jbero tds.net Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 3:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Wolfie and weakness in hind legs I did a little research on neurologic disorders in felv cats. I found a nice article written on 2002 describing about 20 felv cats with neurologic symptoms and the necropsy reports. Most of the cats did not have any tumors. Basically what they found was axonal and myelin degeneration (the neurons and their surrounding sheath were degenerated). The areas that were most strongly affected could be seen without a microscope as plagues in the spinal cord. They stained these cells with a stain that highlights the presence of a specific felv protein - the cells were filled with it. This suggests that the virus infects neurons and destroys them. This results in progressively declining neurologic function. Here's the website to the article: www.drjaymcdonnell.com/refId,26240/refDownload.pml Hope this helps. Jenny ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP!
What kind of insurance? Just property protection or is it liability? Do they understand what FeLV is? Do you have visitors? I wonder if they think it is contagious to humans. Maybe ask them the reason and then send factual info or a vet letter to them. Can you find an attorney to help you pro bono if needed? This is ludicrous. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP! I haven't heard of any insurances that accept cats with pre-existing conditions! I have two FeLV+ cats andf 5 FIV+ cats at our place. Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marnie Miszewski Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 1:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] FELV Shelter Insurance HELP! I know there are others on here who have FELV shelters and I'm wondering who you have for insurance providers. I keep getting turned down for insurance because I have FELV positive cats at my facility. Those cats are the reason I started the shelter and I'm not letting them go. PLEASE HELP! I need insurance and I don't know where to turn. Thanks Marnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] rear leg weakness- Revolution used?
From: Carmen Conklin [mailto:cwshel...@wildblue.net] Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:57 PM To: Laurieskatz Subject: felvgroup Hi, I can't seem to be able to email into the felv group today-could you ask them a question regarding the Re: weakness in hind legs thing?? I want to know if they had used Revolution on any of the cats that had that weakness in hind legs problem... Thanks, Carmen ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head)
Coco's myonecrosis could only be diagnosed by muscle biopsies sent to Texas or California (I forget which) - it's a specialized process. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Tracy Weese Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 7:07 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs (and nodding/bobbing head) I, too have a FeLV+ cat that has been extremely healthy for her entire life (10+ years) and just recently started limping (favoring her right hind leg) and at times I would see her head bob or nod (it appears involuntary) -- took her to vet and of course she refused to walk, just crouched down and wouldn't move (she is a shy kitty). We ran complete blood panels to check for neuropathy, diabetes, etc., and the blood work indicated she was in excellent health as usual! But, she keeps limping and bobbing/nodding. So I am taking her back now for xrays, and whatever. So I am particularly interested in what others have found out -- I will keep folks posted on what I find out about Vixen (my cat), too. -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com Sent: Jun 24, 2010 11:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group, this website has a great index of symptoms treatments A-Z, http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for weakness in back legs and several things are listed, though I think most are things that would have showed in the chemistry. We had a feral kitty who was paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be covered anyway). Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility? I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input. Love good thoughts to Wolfie! Heather On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive cats getting weak in the back legs. My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago. He's been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then. I recently took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods of time. His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual. Chemistry looks ok. I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg issues. She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no warning. This is different from that situation and just wondering what could be going on. We did an ultrasound today. No sign of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine. No real loss of muscle mass on physical exam. We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the anemia. The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature on this. I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had a similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
Check out myonecrosis. Coco (FeLV-) had this. Her back legs were weak and she was having trouble eating (tongue issues). There are several causes - one was toxoplasmosis, one was that she had gotten into some toxins and the third was nutritional. They attributed hers to a lack of Vitamin D, Selenium. I was pouring her dry Wellness food into Tupperware containers. I was told that allows too much oxygen to get to the food and it depletes the food of those nutrients. We switched to canned and she survived. Another cat taken to the ER that same day with her same symptoms, but more advanced, was not so lucky. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sharyl Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs Amy did they check Wolfie's potassium level? Low K can cause back leg weakness. Sharyl --- On Thu, 6/24/10, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, June 24, 2010, 10:22 PM Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive cats getting weak in the back legs. My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago. He's been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then. I recently took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods of time. His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual. Chemistry looks ok. I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg issues. She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no warning. This is different from that situation and just wondering what could be going on. We did an ultrasound today. No sign of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine. No real loss of muscle mass on physical exam. We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the anemia. The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature on this. I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had a similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs
Ps Coco was diagnosed with myonecrosis via muscle biopsy. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Heather Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Weakness in hind legs Hind leg weakness seems to come up somewhat frequently on the CRF group, this website has a great index of symptoms treatments A-Z, http://www.felinecrf.org/symptoms_treatments_index.htm see W for weakness in back legs and several things are listed, though I think most are things that would have showed in the chemistry. We had a feral kitty who was paralyzed in her rear legs due to a lesion on her spine, but sounds like you've covered that with the ultrasound (as much as it can be covered anyway). Do they think throwing a clot is a possibility? I hope you can figure out the cause, others might have some good input. Love good thoughts to Wolfie! Heather On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote: Just wondering what sort of experience people have had with leuk positive cats getting weak in the back legs. My cat, Wolfie, is 8 and has been positive since we rescued him 6 years ago. He's been pretty healthy other than the last year or so. Last September he was diagnosed with non-regenerative anemia but has been fairly stable since then. I recently took him to the vet as I noticed he was getting weak in his hind legs, walking differently and avoiding putting weight on them for long periods of time. His HCT is down, WBC and RBC are a bit lower than usual. Chemistry looks ok. I've had 9 cats die from this disease and only ever saw one with leg issues. She woke up one morning and had lost all use of her back legs, no warning. This is different from that situation and just wondering what could be going on. We did an ultrasound today. No sign of lymphoma or anything pressing on the spine. No real loss of muscle mass on physical exam. We are putting him on doxy/pred in case hemobart is causing the anemia. The specialist at Cornell mentioned it could be something with the leukemia affecting the muscle or nerves directly but she couldn't find any literature on this. I told her I'd post here and see if anybody has had a similar experience or has anything to add on what could be going on. Thanks Amy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat
Someone surveyed the group about a year ago and quite a few people do co-mingle. Maybe you can check archives on co-mingling if you want to see that information. Because the FeLV+ cat has a compromised immune system, it is important to protect that cat from anything contagious going on with the other cats (eg URI). L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of brooklynnat...@charter.net Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 6:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind/Deaf Cat My vet totally discourages putting them together. He said there is too much risk. I have 7 other cats that are all healthy and I would love to be able to have them all be together but I'm afraid. I wouldn't want the healthy ones to get sick. I would feel so responsible. dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Theresa, if you felv kitty is lonely, ask your vet about mixing him with your other cats. my veet said that as long as hey are up on their shots, it is okay and mine have been mixed for 2 years now with no problems. sure does make everyone happier. brooklynnat...@charter.net wrote: I live in Black Mountain NC and would be more than happy to give him a home. I'm really not too familiar with how things are done here but I have a male that I rescued from outside that has feline leukemia and I keep him separated from my other cats. I'm sure he would be happy for the company. Let me know if you think it might work. Theresa Palumbo ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Losses
Lorrie, I am sorry to hear Beezer has moved on. He is lucky he found you and it sounds like you were lucky, too. When you can, I would love to hear the story behind his name - it's a great name that I cannot say without a smile. God bless you and God speed Beezer boy. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 4:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Losses Thank you Sharyl. This morning I had to take my old sweetie to the vet to be put to sleep. He was 17 years old and had been dealing with kidney failure for over a year. As all of us know, making the decision to put a pet to sleep is one of the most difficult decisions we ever have to make, but my wonderful vet helped me decide when he said keeping an old terminally ill cat alive is more for the owner than for the cat, who has no quality of life left. Beezer was a stray when I rescued him in 1993 and he had a long happy life, as an indoor/outdoor cat who had the best of both worlds. Losing a special pet is always terribly hard, but I sincerely believe we will meet again at the rainbow bridge. Lorrie On 06-12, Sharyl wrote: Lorrie, I understand what you are going through with your CRF kitty. It seems if a kitty lives long enough he develops CRF. That is a tough chronic disease to manage. I found lots of info and help at www.felineCRF.org Hugs to your sweetie. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat
Gloria, I hope you will consider keeping him as he will do much better in a private home than a sanctuary. I have a blind cat and am going to take in a deaf cat so have been doing lots of research. He would be fine in one room of your house. He will learn his way around that room and feel safe. At first Frankie (who lost his vision at age 9) got upset when he would run into the other cats unexpectedly. He is much better about it now (3 1/2 years later and he is doing great). Once the other cats know a cat is disabled they may pick on him and attack him. I don't think a group of cats is the right thing for this boy. The vet told me Frankie would be at the bottom of the totem pole once the other cats knew he was blind. He isn't but he does stay to himself more than he used to. He does have run of the house - he did before he lost his vision. Frankie was a feral 5 month old kitten when I took him in. I could not hold or touch him. With work I was able to touch him but not hold him or pick him up. Then I had to start treating him for asthma and we both learned a lot about going slow and trust. After he lost he sight he LOVES touch. I suspect this kitty will love touch once he is familiar with his surroundings. Smell is important and probably heightened. He may smell the other cats and be overwhelmed and afraid right now. All he has is smell and touch. Wonderful food will be a pleasure. Also you might rub your own scent on a towel and give it to him to comfort him. Even better if you could get something from his previous owner to give him. Info I found on deaf cats: http://www.ehow.com/how_2108978_happily-communicate-deaf-cat.html If you are willing and able to keep this boy, you have a wonderful opportunity to learn so much and to help others in the future. Not to mention, enhance his life and let him live with grace and peace. Thanks for helping him! Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 8:11 AM To: Feline Leukemia Subject: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat I just took in a blind-deaf cat, was one of 25 or so in a lady's house. The lady became disabled, developed dementia, and our rescue took some of her cats. This one first was taken to the city animal services, developed a URI, got about over it, was altered, tested and shots, and we pulled him. He (?) was transferred to a different cage, then to my carrier, then to my home and a large cage. He's not too friendly, although I can at times pet him on the head and scratch his ears. We think it's just because of the changes in his life, that he just doesn't know what's going on and if he needs to defend himself. I haven't had a blind or deaf cat before. Does anyone know of a rescue that will take a blind-deaf cat? I found one in North Carolina, but I'm in Arkansas. Thanks very much, Gloria ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT: blind deaf cat INFO
http://www.messybeast.com/disabled.htm#deaf GREAT info here on: blind cats, deaf cats and deaf-blind cats BLIND CATS Cats that keep bumping into things either can't co-ordinate their limbs or can't see. A blind eye is often cloudy or the pupil remains dilated even in bright light. Some cats are born without eyes (anopthalmia) or with very small eyes (micropthalmia) which may not function. Others lose their sight either permanently or temporarily as a result of illness, physical injury, brain damage or poisoning (including extreme reaction to anaesthesia) and conditions such as glaucoma, cataracts or scarring caused by untreated entropion (inturned eyelashes). The degree of blindness varies from total blindness to partial blindness (cloudy sight, ability to differentiate between light and shade, tunnel vision) in much the same way that human blindness varies. Usually the loss of sight is gradual and the cat compensates gradually so that you don't even realise how bad its sight is. Sometimes illness or injury necessitates the removal of one or both eyes. Sudden blindness is more noticeable because the cat is disoriented, hesitant when walking, bumps into things and may vocalize more often (some cats appear to listen for sound echoes). Where a cat becomes suddenly blind it may develop unusual behaviours until it learns to adapt. It may be unwilling to leave its sleeping area and may develop inappropriate toilet habits because it is unable to find the litter tray. It will be reluctant to go outdoors to toilet. It may appear withdrawn and call out (when disoriented or in need of reassurance). To test your cat's vision, cover each eye in turn and see if its other eye can follow a moving finger or responds to a finger moving towards the uncovered eye. You can also test its response to a torch (flashlight) being flashed on and off in the direction of the eye, but this is not 100% accurate since blindness is not always seated in the eyeball itself - the pupil may respond to light, but the normal 'vision signals' are not correctly processed by the brain. A cat blind in one eye may lash out in self-defence at sudden movements on its blind side. A cat with unilateral blindness may turn its head more often in order to compensate for the reduced field of vision. It may also have problems with depth perception since it has lost the stereoscopic area of vision - one-eyed cats often take several 'sightings' of a chair (etc) before jumping onto it, but quickly memorize the heights of such objects for future reference. Fully blind cats may clamber onto things rather than jump, but many also memorize heights and distances which is why furniture should not be rearranged and obstructions should not be left on the floor when there is a blind cat in the house. A blind cat is easily disoriented and should not be allowed to roam; indoors only or indoors with access to a fenced pen or garden is best. It may enjoy supervised forays in the garden using a harness and lead. Make sure it is wearing a collar stating its address and disability in case it escapes. If it is allowed to roam freely and is chased by another animal it may become lost or run into the path of traffic. Because it relies so much on scent/sound, a lost blind cat will probably be unable to find its way home once it is beyond its normal territory. Blind cats rely on scent and memory to find their way around so keep furniture in the same place and don't leave obstacles in unexpected places where he could walk into them. If he is prone to bumping into furniture, try padding table legs and chair legs with old pillows or some foam to reduce impact damage. While most blind cats soon memorize routes and distances, not all manage this feat and rely on 'bumping into' their signposts. Whiskers become more important to blind cats to judge the cat's proximity to an object. This means they are subjected to more wear and tear than normal and can be broken or even worn down! Sound is also important to a blind cat. Noisy toys such as balls with bells in, a noisy paper sack or a scrunched up paper ball will provide stimulation. Many blind cats learn how dribble scrunched paper balls or jingly toys. According to Dean, his 2 year old born-blind domestic longhair can actually locate crumpled paper by listening for it to un-crumple a little and retrieves toys to play with. She also catches flies, runs around the house at speed based on her memory of obstacles, pounces on other cats by listening to their footsteps and uses her very long whiskers and ear hair as sensors, possibly also sensing changes in air pressure with them. She also walks with her tail tip touching the ground as an additional sense organ. Carrying a blind cat around can disorient it so if you must move it, place it somewhere it knows well such as its feeding or sleeping area so that it can easily get its bearings. Don't move its litter tray or feeding areas around, it needs to find them easily by memory or
Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes
Bless you for taking in Eva and helping her and her babies. I hope you can keep Eva? House of Dreams' website is very impressive! Did you see there is another FeLV+ cat from CA who needs a ride? Baxter is in San Luis Obispo, CA. God bless you and the family of five. Eva was hanging around because she knew you would help her. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes Hi, I recently took in a stray cat who had been hanging around my apartment, whom I named Eva. It turned out she was 3 weeks pregnant when I took her in. The vet confirmed the pregnancy at around the 5 week mark, but for whatever reason didn't test Eva for FeLV or FIV until I brought her and four kittens in when they were 3 weeks old. She tested positive for FeLV. Three weeks later, all four kittens also tested positive. They're getting tested again in three weeks as there's some chance for kittens to convert from positive to negative, but I am less than hopeful at this point. Due to the illness, the adopters I had lined up have decided not to adopt. I am single and live in a 1 BR apartment in Sacramento, CA. I simply can't care for five cats, let alone FeLV+ ones. Fortunately, a shelter in Portland, OR has agreed to help out if needed. They're called House of Dreams and can be found on the web here: http://kittydreams.typepad.com/house-of-dreams/. They have a dedicated area for FeLV+ cats and will attempt to adopt them out to caring homes. That being said, I would like to see if there are any caring homes willing to adopt one or more of these cute little guys before I commit them to this shelter. If any of you are within a few hours of Sacramento and would like to adopt, or know someone who does, please get in touch. Here are some pictures: The whole gang, about 4 weeks old: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5876/30312101501970372950267.jpg . From left to right: Fuzz (male), Doom (male), Kima (female), and Pika (female), and in back is the mom, Eva. About 6 weeks old: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6237/28612101502070684200267.jpg Kima and Pika: http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4325/28612101502070684650267.jpg Fuzz: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5323/28612101502070684750267.jpg Doom: http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/904/28612101502070684500267.jpg Thanks for all your help, Colin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes
I am glad. For her and for you. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 10:20 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes Yes, I intend to keep Eva. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 10, 2010, at 6:39 PM, Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com wrote: Bless you for taking in Eva and helping her and her babies. I hope you can keep Eva? House of Dreams' website is very impressive! Did you see there is another FeLV+ cat from CA who needs a ride? Baxter is in San Luis Obispo, CA. God bless you and the family of five. Eva was hanging around because she knew you would help her. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Colin Starrett Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Four FeLV+ kittens need caring homes Hi, I recently took in a stray cat who had been hanging around my apartment, whom I named Eva. It turned out she was 3 weeks pregnant when I took her in. The vet confirmed the pregnancy at around the 5 week mark, but for whatever reason didn't test Eva for FeLV or FIV until I brought her and four kittens in when they were 3 weeks old. She tested positive for FeLV. Three weeks later, all four kittens also tested positive. They're getting tested again in three weeks as there's some chance for kittens to convert from positive to negative, but I am less than hopeful at this point. Due to the illness, the adopters I had lined up have decided not to adopt. I am single and live in a 1 BR apartment in Sacramento, CA. I simply can't care for five cats, let alone FeLV+ ones. Fortunately, a shelter in Portland, OR has agreed to help out if needed. They're called House of Dreams and can be found on the web here: http://kittydreams.typepad.com/house-of-dreams/. They have a dedicated area for FeLV+ cats and will attempt to adopt them out to caring homes. That being said, I would like to see if there are any caring homes willing to adopt one or more of these cute little guys before I commit them to this shelter. If any of you are within a few hours of Sacramento and would like to adopt, or know someone who does, please get in touch. Here are some pictures: The whole gang, about 4 weeks old: http://img514.imageshack.us/ img514/5876/30312101501970372950267.jpg . From left to right: Fuzz (male), Doom (male), Kima (female), and Pika (female), and in back is the mom, Eva. About 6 weeks old: http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/6237/28612101502070684200267.jpg Kima and Pika: http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/4325/28612101502070684650267.jpg Fuzz: http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/5323/28612101502070684750267.jpg Doom: http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/904/28612101502070684500267.jpg Thanks for all your help, Colin ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news
YAY!! Thanks for sharing. Lucky Whimsy to find you!!! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 6:46 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy update - happy news Just wanted to give an update on Whimsy, originally a feral I was going to TNR. He went for another visit about 6 weeks ago to the vet and surprisingly everything was 'perfect'. I know how things change quickly with these guys, but it was still a celebration. Since then, he's been wayyy more interested in coming in. He DOES have the sunroom (our others miss laying about in the rays, but they'll recover) all to himself. (I think it's great he can feel he's still a part of the outdoors, with all the windows in there) He comes in before dark and is out in the morning. Usually he stays in the yard, his box, or in the sunroom during the day - he gets really upset if he's locked inside too long, so he's still outside when he wants for short periods. He mostly sits with us, watches the fish in the pond, or climbs the large tree. I have a feeling come fall, he's going to be strictly inside. Now, when he wanders a bit, we call him and he's within earshot - he comes bounding through the yard like a puppy (don't tell him I made a canine comparison, please). So, we have done this at 'his pace'. He's become the 'lappiest' cat I have ever had, always wanting to cuddle. He truly wants to meet the others inside, and it's so sad to see him look at the 'real inside' of the house, wanting to come in. But, he's got his own toys, scratcher, catnip, etc. And it's about a year ago I first saw him - a skittish bundle of black and white, untrusting and scared. These guys really teach us to not believe the word impossible, don't they? This group helped sooo much. So, Whimsy's success is shared by all here. Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge
Beth, so sorry to hear about Dante. How wonderful that your group always has someone with the kitties when they are going to cross. Bless you all. I know what you mean about not being ready. I always tell myself that the new kitty needs me. Maybe even that my kitty who passed sent the new one to me to comfort me. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sara Kasteleyn Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:40 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge Dear Beth.I'm so sorry Dante has moved on. We will light a candle for him tonight in SoCal. Just a little spot of light to remind him how much he was loved and will be missed in case he looks over his shoulder. Blessings to you. Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 2:25 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Dante has passed over the Rainbow Bridge My FeLV foster kitty Dante passed over the Rainbow Bridge today. I only had him a few months, but loved him dearly. He preferred human company over kitty company, but was tolerant of the other kitties. He was a beautiful grey boy pulled from Animal Control by the rescue I work with. It will be a long time before I stop expecting to see him in his bed. He went downhill fast the last 2 weeks. The X-rays done yesterday indicated he was full of tumors. Luckily he had the lady who originally pulled him from AC to be there with him. Our group never lets animals be euthanized without someone from the shelter being there, for which I am very grateful. It looks like I will be getting a new FeLV kitty from a friend tonight. Not sure I'm ready. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 5185 (20100609) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver
Denise, here is the information I was given. I will respond again with the oncology vet name when I have it... Laurie This is a tough question. I think it really depends on how much she wants to do for the cat (and also, put the cat through). I went to CSU for Rudy's knee surgery and they were great. But when I brought Joe there, I felt like their approach was much too invasive. I know that CSU has a great reputation for cancer treatment, so she might at least want to check them out. But she should be very specific about what she does/does not want them to do to her cat or they will do whatever they want. I have a friend who is a vet at CSU and I'll ask her for a vet referral for someone in the oncology department there. I really love my vet here in Boulder. Her name is Liv Brockman and she works at Alpine Hospital for Animals; she's extremely knowledgeable as well as compassionate. She ended up treating Joe during the course of his illness and she was really the best vet I've ever worked with. Your friend might also want to check with the owner of PC's Pantry in Boulder. She (Mary Lee) has taken several of her animals to CSU for cancer treatment and she probably has some good suggestions. Hope this helps. (And I'll let you know when my friend gets back to me with a referral at CSU.) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Denise Grimm Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Boulder/Denver Does anyone know of any vets in the Boulder/Denver area or CSU that specialize in FeLV? My girl has non regenerative anemia and is on prednisone and erythropoetin. Not sure if there are other options. Not sure if a bone marrow aspirate is work the stress to her, etc. Thanks! Denise ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vet-Boulder/Denver
Denise, here is the follow up email. Laurie Here's the referral from my friend. One other thing that I thought of re: CSU is that students often treat animals, under the supervision of a senior vet. So if your friend doesn't want that, CSU might not be the best option. At any rate, she might just want to have a consultation with the vet named below. I hope things work out for her and her cat. I think Mike Lappin would be best, but he travels a lot. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please add Sissy to the CLS
I am so sorry for your loss. So many things we don't understand. May you and Rocket comfort each other. God bless you for rescuing, loving and caring for Sissy and Rocket. Laurie On 5/9/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: Like Tommy my sweet Sissy also passed away Tuesday. She had a peaceful passing at the vets. She was ready to go. My dear neighbor drove us so I could hold her on the trip. I rescued her and her sis Rocket from the dumpsters 2 1/2 years ago. Took them to the vet and they tested positive for FeLV. After getting my house cats updated on their FeLV vaccine they were became part of my cat family. They were my 1st FeLV kitties and I have learned so much from this group on how to help them. Both were active and healthy but Sissy's lymph nodes were always enlarged. Thought we might have made it past those critical points but a couple of weeks ago Sissy started the fast FeLV fade. She was such a loving little girl. She would jump up on the kitchen counter to help me get out her Temptation treats. How she loved them. I know she had a good 2 1/2 yrs and that consoles me but I sure miss her. Rocket seems to understand and has been giving me extra loving. Sharyl ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout
Thanks for this. How unfortunate. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 10:28 AM To: FeLVTalk Subject: [Felvtalk] fyi: pet food buyout http://www.truthaboutpetfood.com/articles/breaking-news-proctor--gamble-purc hases-natura-pet-products.html -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats
Wow. Thanks for this. I will no longer watch, either. We should send emails to GMA -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 10:22 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats You can be certain he wouldn't have said he hated dogs. But it's OK acceptable to hate cats. It's funny, when people come to the shelter I usually ask them whether they're looking for a cat or a dog. I can't tell you how many times someone has responded, Dogs. I hate cats. But I've never heard anyone say, Cats. I hate dogs. --- On Sat, 5/1/10, Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Sharyl cline...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] GMA Weekend - Bill hates cats To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, May 1, 2010, 9:20 AM Was watching GMA Weekend this AM. During a segment on stuff made out of cat food cans Bill Weir said he hated cats. Just had to respond to ABC News with the following post. Just wanted you to know I will no longer watch GMA Weekends after Bill's comment today that he hates cats. I don't need to waste my time watching anyone who hates a living creature. I do not like rats, mosquitoes or cockroaches but would never say on national TV that I hated them. I spend my free time involved in cat rescue and TNR of ferals/hard strays. I do not expect cat friendly stories but I sure did not expect to hear an anchor say he hated cats. You can be sure I will share Bill's comments with various on-line cat groups. Sharyl Cline Spay the Shore Eastern Shore of VA ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy
This sounds very good. Did the vet ever suggest demodex mite as the cause of the itching and fur loss? My vet says it's almost impossible to test for ringworm. He doesn't even test anymore. He tends to treat small patches with human fungal cream and larger patches with an oral medication. Whimsy sounds like a survivor! Thanks for taking care of him! L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 6:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] update on Whimsy Whimsy - (the outdoor, used to be feral FeLV little boy who had a scary jerking/twitching episode a few weeks back you might recall) - had his check up and everything was normal. His bloodwork and stool came back normal too. His skin has been his only issue - he was bald on the left side, then the right, now it's down to his tail. This is the 8th week of this, and I had figured it was ringworm. He has no fleas nor mites, and the clinic didn't think it was ringworm, but of course tested him (it's ongoing, for those who aren't familiar - they put it in a jar, and see if it grows) It may have been self limiting and somehow he cleared it. Or, it could be severe allergies. He is a long hair (so hard to be an outside baby with long fur!) and matted so severely in the winter (before I could touch him) that it's also possible this is why there was hair loss. His itching is severe but the skin now is normal (used to have lesions) He hates fish oil, I was hoping he would take it to soothe the inflamation. My vet was surprised that everything was normal, since his IFA was positive, too. Or, can it be that if the immune system is just so out of whack it can't even register in the bloodwork? His heart/lungs/lymph nodes, etc are all normal too. We think he is just under 2 years old. He lost 7 ounces, but that was since the neutering in Jan, and could be normal. He's got a set up in the shed, but likes to sleep right on the patio and back door stoop; I am also showing him the sunroom, and he's slowly checking it out, so I hope he can stay in there. He's no longer terrified of ceilings, but only cautious, and is understanding that 'inside is good'. Every time I take him to the vet, he gets more loving, like he knows we are trying to help him. I guess I will take his results as good news for now, and try to be as preventative as we can. thanks for everyone's help. He's such an adorable character, with a high pitched meeew and jade green eyes. And he knows his daddy now too, and made sure he fell in love with him too (he seemed to know that was the ticket to getting 'in') Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU!
Thank-you, Georgetta, for sharing this story, for going to the ends of the earth to help Wisp and Michael for giving Wisp a forever home! Happy! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of G Brickey Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 5:50 PM To: FeLV List Cc: orphankitt...@yahoogroups.com; feral cats list Subject: [Felvtalk] Second Chance Meows Sanctuary - THANK YOU! Hi list, I just saw a post on the FeLV group list where someone was saying how depressing the posts on the FeLV list could be... I know much of the news seems to be sad, especially when cats pass on, but I wanted to post my heartfelt thanks to Michael and his family at Second Chance Meows for finding a spot in their home for my FeLV+ kitten Wisp. He responded to my posted plea a few weeks ago about finding a placement for my little 6 month old foster tabby girl who had just gotten her FeLV confirmation - second test. I was being pressured by other fostering friends to euthanize her and was resisting since she was currently so healthy, loving, and playful, except for a tendency toward constipation. I foster many many neonatal kittens each year for a So. Cal. rescue group, so it was imperative for the potential wellbeing and lives of so many other incoming kittens that I find a safe place for Wisp to live so as not unwittingly endanger my other fosters. I had her in the best quarantine I could manage, but everyone knows that kittens are both inquisitive and ingenious... so I knew it could be a big problem when they got to the climbing age. I had contacted a couple of other shelters, but they were just not a good fit for her for various reasons. I had just taken in 5 newborn kittens and was getting pretty desperate when I joined this group and googled for information and discovered Snowball's story. Well, to make a long story short, Michael agreed to take Wisp, and my husband and I, with Wisp in a large wire crate in the back seat, made the long trek from Ventura to Reno, via I-5 - about 9 or 10 hours of driving... some of it behind a snowplow and praying all the time that we could make it through in our old Subaru... without any snowchains onboard...we eventually arrived and Wisp received a warm welcome from Michael and his wife and one of their other FeLV+ cats. We stayed for over an hour and got to meet almost all the other kitties (one was a bit shy and out of sight) and see where Wisp would be living whatever days, months, or years that she will be allowed by her Creator and of course to talk to Michael and his family and watch him expertly assess our kitten. I just had a call from Michael and Wisp is having the time of her life. She doesn't have the run of the whole home yet, but what she does have even right now is one heck of a lot better than a 7 by 3 by 2 foot cage on sawhorses in my livingroom! Michael told us that the bowel issues are resolving and she is looking great and acting very happy. I miss her, but I KNOW this is the most perfect placement I could have found for her... a loving home with other FeLV+ cats she can socialize with and someone who is knowledgeable about FeLV+ and a family that will take care of her for as long as she lives. Thank you from the bottom of my heart - Michael, Char, and family! Sincerely, Georgetta (with 11 neonatal fosters - gotta go feed!) bye for now! _ The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multicalendarocid=PID28 326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril
Yes I think the damaging dose is 10mg or more. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage. Last hard drive crash took a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one. Gary -- From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] but day 9 of baytril
But I was told that repeatedly dosing Frankie, even with smaller amounts, could have caused his blindness. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril Last report I read on it said all the reported incidents of blindness were at dosages in excess of the recommended dosage. Last hard drive crash took a bunch of my saved reports, but I will try to locate that one. Gary -- From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 5:26 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] day 9 of baytril from what i know, the problems with baytril and blindness generally has involved young kittens. baytril is a great drug for certain things, and in some cases i know of people who've made the decision to take the risk blind is a whole lot better than dead, after all. ask anyone. MC ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?
It would be safer for him and any other kitties around if you could keep him inside full time. Some of mine were outside full time before I rescued them. They are happy to be inside and no having to dodge cars and predators. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 6:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV? does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be? I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy. I'll put a cage in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all the time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still. He's had some flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again. He's still battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't know if that effects using flea/mite treatment. The vet has been amazed he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV?
agree -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sally Davis Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 9:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Revolution - thoughts for FeLV? I used Revolution. Of the spot on treatments it is supposed to be the least toxic. Plus it protects against more tha fleas, ear nites and heartworms. Sally Sally On Fri, Apone \\r 2, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: does anyone use Revolution for their FeLV babies? I don't like any toxic chemicals but wonder what the risks vs benefits might be? I've gotten permission to use (try to!) a shed for Whimsy. I'll put a cage in there initially, but he very likely will not like being confined all the time, so therefore will have some outdoor exposure still. He's had some flea treatment at his vet visits but would be due again. He's still battling ringworm (areas end up healing and new fur grows back) - don't know if that effects using flea/mite treatment. The vet has been amazed he's had no visible fleas or mites but now we are in Spring of course. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] scissors cut is getting stitched tomorrow
Thoughts and prayers for Mewey! Good plan. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 8:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] scissors cut is getting stitched tomorrow This seems kind of trivial but in light of the recent emails I'm a little scared. Mewey, our FeLV little girl, who I accidentally cut while digging out a mat, is getting the cut stitched up tomorrow morning under anesthesia. I would appreciate your good thoughts and prayers for her. My prayers go out to all of you who are hurting and struggling. You don't know how much good you have done-really. The amount of knowledge you all have is amazing. All of your kittens are lucky to have spent any time with you, even if it was short. I really mean that. Please don't feel that you let them down because you didn't. Thank God they weren't with me! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - twitching/jerking
Can't be sure where the calici came from. Can't you bring him inside and put him in a kennel and cover with a towel? He obviously needs help and is asking you to help him. Or put him in a car or garage. I have a friend who takes in kitties who need help and puts them in a carrier with towel over. Can you get him to a vet tonight or tomorrow? This cat needs your help. Please let go of your fear and help him. My cat gets crazy from allergies. It could be an easy treatable thing. I would not write him off. I couldn't stand seeing someone suffering like this. Please help him. Cats go and hide if they are dying. He is there, begging for your help. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 5:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Whimsy - twitching/jerking My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard. You might recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom. He developed a terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that. On the day I was to bring him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop touching him (even w/ my usual gloves). I know it hurt his feelings but I still visited him. He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes. He is coming up to all our windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey). My boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I can't interact with him. I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need time. But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not a cat who can be syringe fed. I'm not used to considering 'no options'. Is this the end? :( Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Or PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking
Or if he got into poison of some kind, time is of the essence and could mean the difference between life and death for this kitty. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Emeraldkittee Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 6:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] PS Whimsy - twitching/jerking I should also mention that he seems frantic too, and runs in bursts, jumps on fences, but nearly falls off. He's been running in circles in the yard. He also just let out a bunch of sneezes. I hope I didn't give him what my guys have, this has been a horrible time. I always touched him w/ gloves, tied my hair back, etc. Is my only option??I was so hoping we'd have him in during the Summer. He's about 1 /12 yrs old. We cannot bring him in, all the extra spots are quarantined and I won't be allowed and I don't own the house and I understand wanted to protect the others (who nearly died this week - needed fluids, temps over 105, and we are still closely watching our FIV/HCM boy and lupus/HCM boy. This seems too cruel. He needs me now to hold him and I can't. I assume he will go down hill quickly? I want to know he doesn't get so confused that he runs off and gets hurt or attacked by a coyote (we had our first in the yard the other day) Coming to grips with the fact that this is the first one I can't do everything for is very difficult. Shannon --- On Tue, 3/30/10, Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Emeraldkittee emeraldkit...@yahoo.com Subject: Whimsy - twitching/jerking To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 30, 2010, 5:57 PM My dear Whimsy, little FeLV positive boy, is still in our yard. You might recall I was trying to work on bringing him to our sunroom. He developed a terrible ringworm (99% sure) which delayed that. On the day I was to bring him in for a check up and treatment for ringworm (he used to be feral but now sits on my lap etc, but still needs sedation at vet) my indoor kitties had a terrible outbreak of calici, and we are still dealing with it. We have immune suppressed kitties inside and to protect Whimsy I had to stop touching him (even w/ my usual gloves). I know it hurt his feelings but I still visited him. He has been energectic, bouncy, hungry, fun, etc. Tonight he showed up, won't eat, is twitching, running, then laying down and twitching and jerking and chewing on his toes. He is coming up to all our windows and meowing (he never did that, he still was a bit cagey). My boyfriend figured I got the calici from him and brought it in, so I can't interact with him. I keep telling him to hang in there and we'll figure it out we just need time. But this twitching? And if he won't eat? Even if I suited up he's not a cat who can be syringe fed. I'm not used to considering 'no options'. Is this the end? :( Shannon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Whimsy has been poisoned...I think
I found this on search of twitching anorexic cat. PLEASE HELP HIM NOW. Please get him safely inside and to a vet asap. His life depends on your intervention. Insecticide Toxicity in Cats Organophosphate and Carbamate Toxicity Areas that are geographically prone to heavy flea and tick infestations tend to use many different forms of insecticide (e.g., organophosphates and carbamates). But exposure to insecticides -- especially after heavy or repeated applications of the chemicals -- may be toxic to cats. These forms of insecticide poisoning affect both dogs and cats. If you would like to learn more about how it affects dogs please this page in the PetMD health library. Symptoms and Types Cats exposed to toxic chemicals may not exhibit all of the signs of poisoning. In fact, sometimes insecticides will cause the opposite of these symptoms instead, but there will usually be some indication that the cat is not well. If you suspect that your pet is unwell because of exposure to insecticides, you will need to remove your cat from the toxic environment, or cease using the insecticides, and seek medical attention for it before the condition becomes dire. The following are some of the symptoms of toxic poisoning: Fever Vomiting Diarrhea Anorexia Depression Seizures Muscle tremors Hypersalivation Constricted pupils Increased heart rate Lack of coordination (i.e., trouble walking) Respiratory failure (e.g., trouble breathing) Toxic levels of carbamate insecticides like methomyl and carbofuran can cause seizures and respiratory arrest in your dog. Organophosphate toxicity, meanwhile, may lead to chronic anorexia, muscle weakness and muscle twitching which may last for days or even weeks. Someorganophosphate insecticides commonly used include coumaphos, cyothioate, diazinon, fampfhur, fention, phosmet, and tetrachlorvinphos. This same kind of poisoning can occur with agricultural, lawn and garden insecticide products. Organophosphate types of these products are acephate, chlorpyrifos, diazinon, disulfoton, fonofos, malathion, parathion and terbufos. Carbamate types of these products are carbofuran and methomyl. This same kind of poisoning can occur with agricultural, lawn and garden insecticide products. Organophosphate types of these products are acephate, chlorpyrifos (which is especially toxic to cats), diazinon, disulfoton, fonofos, malathion, parathion and terbufos. Carbamate types of these products are carbofuran and methomyl. Organophosphate and carbamate insecticides inhibit cholinesterases and acetylcholinesterase, essential enzymes in the body. Cholinesterases are enzymes which break down acetylcholine, which is a neurotransmitter. Consequently, acetylcholine remains attached to the postsynaptic receptors of the neurons causing continuous, unending nervous transmission to nervous tissue, organs and muscles (smooth and skeletal). This causes seizures and shaking. Causes Toxicity can occur due to the overuse, misuse, or use of multiple cholinesterase-inhibiting insecticides; overexposure to insecticides in the surrounding home environment; the misuse of organophosphate insecticides in cats (e.g., organophosphate-containing dips labeled for dogs only, inappropriately applied to cats); or the intentional application of house or yard insecticides on cats. Diagnosis If your cat has been diagnosed as having toxic levels of insecticide in its system, your veterinarian will immediately stabilize and decontaminate your pet. Your veterinarian will also administer an antidotal treatment to your cat. You will need to give a thorough history of your cat's health, onset of symptoms, and possible incidents that might have preceded this condition. If you know what type of toxin your pet was exposed to, or you have a sample of it, you should take a sample with you so that your doctor can better treat the poisoning. Your veterinarian will then send a sample of whole blood to a laboratory experienced in handling animal samples. A positive result is confirmed when cholinesterase in the blood is less than 25 percent of normal levels. Treatment Depending on how long it has been since your cat ingested the toxin (if exposure was via ingestion), you veterinarian may induce vomiting for your pet. Your doctor may also wash out its stomach with a tube (lavage), and then give it activated charcoal to detoxify and neutralize any remaining insecticide. Antidotal treatments specific to the toxin will also be given to your pet. Further treatment may include an oxygen cage if your pet is having trouble breathing, and fluid therapy if your pet has been unable to drink or is anorexic. Cats suffering from seizures will be given anti-seizure medication to stop the seizures. If exposure to the toxin came through the skin, your veterinarian will use specialized wash for removing the residue from the hair and skin of your pet. Living and Management The sooner your cat is treated after being exposed to
Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat
Yes and only clean it once with HP. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:19 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat You know--A D Cream (not ointment) works really great too--comes in a tube-usually in baby dept at drug store. But I'd let it air out a bit after cleaning w. Peroxide. Christiane Biagi Cell: 914-720-6888 ti...@mindspring.com Volunteer-Friends of the St. Bernard Parish Animal Shelter -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Laurieskatz Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me). It's amazing. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on the cut. Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal powder or liquid. Gloria On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote: Hello everyone, I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats. Their mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage. I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin. I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet. It bled a little but its just the skin that was cut. We put some Neosporin on it and a little gauze bandage. We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage to keep it on so I cut a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on. I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do. Do you think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days? I don't want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to. I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too. I don't need any more but I want to do the right thing too. How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. I'm becoming quite a worrier. We have already lost 2 of the kittens we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can. Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the first one that that's not the case. I changed vets and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost little ones lately. I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can. Thanks for any advice you have. Linda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat
Yes. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat Thanks a lot. I feel better. Can you get the Calendula Gel at a health store? I imagine drug stores don't carry it. - Original Message - From: Laurieskatz lauriesk...@mchsi.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 10:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me). It's amazing. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on the cut. Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal powder or liquid. Gloria On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote: Hello everyone, I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats. Their mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage. I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin. I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet. It bled a little but its just the skin that was cut. We put some Neosporin on it and a little gauze bandage. We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage to keep it on so I cut a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on. I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do. Do you think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days? I don't want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to. I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too. I don't need any more but I want to do the right thing too. How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. I'm becoming quite a worrier. We have already lost 2 of the kittens we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can. Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the first one that that's not the case. I changed vets and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost little ones lately. I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can. Thanks for any advice you have. Linda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] for Laura and Sharyl
I am sorry Laura and Sharyl. It never gets easier Laura, be gentle with yourself. This is a lot of loss in a short time. If your gut tells you to stay home then I think you should. Please don't be waiting for more bad news or you will surely get it. Can you perhaps try saying you deserve GOOD NEWS now With love, Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today I am so sorry. I am more sorry then words can describe. Brillo, Desmond and Nibbler are there guiding your babies home. 3 Crystal - Original Message From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 6:29:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] The Heavens Cried for Max Today Last night I had the most horrible dream - I suppose because I knew what would happen today. In my dream I reached out to touch a big purple glass ball - then it turned around and it was a grinning human skull on a dog's body. I just knew it was there to take all my cats so I threw a big candle at it. It said in a mocking voice, You wouldn't hurt a dog, would you? Not a dog. Then I picked up a big stick and tried to hit it. It killed all my cats with the exception of a black and white one I was very relieved that I'd managed to save one. Now that's what I call a stress dream. I don't even know if I'm going to go to work tomorrow. I just want to stay home and be quiet. Today it was Speckles. Not even 2 weeks ago it was Bridget, and 5 days before Bridget it was Baby Girl. A few weeks before that it was Frosty Paws. I'm just waiting for the next bit of bad news. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat
I think triple antibiotic cream might be preferred to Neosporin? If you can hold her, good idea to do so for a few minutes to give the anti biotic a chance :-) -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Linda Sollberger Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:09 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat Hello everyone, I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats. Their mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage. I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin. I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet. It bled a little but its just the skin that was cut. We put some Neosporin on it and a little gauze bandage. We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage to keep it on so I cut a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on. I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do. Do you think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days? I don't want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to. I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too. I don't need any more but I want to do the right thing too. How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. I'm becoming quite a worrier. We have already lost 2 of the kittens we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can. Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the first one that that's not the case. I changed vets and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost little ones lately. I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can. Thanks for any advice you have. Linda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat
Oh, I forgot! A holistic vet recommends Calendula Gel. It heals things very quickly. I used it on an infected spay incision (cat) and cat bite (me). It's amazing. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria B. Lane Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] how to treat a cut in FeLV cat I generally clean the cut with Hydrogen Peroxide, poured directly on the cut. Then either antibiotic ointment or an herbal, Golden Seal powder or liquid. Gloria On Mar 28, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Linda Sollberger wrote: Hello everyone, I've been on the list for several months but haven't posted anything. My neighbor and I are taking care of 4 FeLV cats. Their mother was a stray cat in our neighborhood and had kittens in our garage. I was just trying to cut a mat out of one of them, just under her front leg, and accidentally cut her skin. I feel so bad. I've never done that before to any pet. It bled a little but its just the skin that was cut. We put some Neosporin on it and a little gauze bandage. We didn't have any gauze to wrap around the bandage to keep it on so I cut a clean Handiwipe in strips and tied it on. I'm just wondering if that's the right thing to do. Do you think I need to take her to the vet right away or can we just watch it for a few days? I don't want to stress her by taking her to the vet if I don't have to. I have 2 cats of my own and have had quite a few vet bills lately too. I don't need any more but I want to do the right thing too. How do you treat cuts in a FeLV cat? She's almost 2 years old. I'm becoming quite a worrier. We have already lost 2 of the kittens we originally had so I'm on this list to learn as much as I can. Originally my vet told us they were FIV and not FeLV but I found out too late for the first one that that's not the case. I changed vets and I have someone I can trust now. My heart and prayers go out to all of you who have lost little ones lately. I cry ever time I read about them and almost got off the list because it's so painful but I thought I better stay on to learn as much as I can. Thanks for any advice you have. Linda ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vaccine
My vet no longer recommends FeLV vaccine, either. Tessa, my last rescue, has not been vaccinated for FeLV. She was tested and isolated before being introduced to the others. I have usually tested new cats at least twice before introducing to the others. I don't have any FeLV+ cats living in my house. If I did, I would vaccinate the others - at least the first shot and first booster. My vet thinks the first two (30 days apart) will protect for life. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 7:51 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Vaccine A friend who lives in the Wash. DC area just told me her vet no longer recommends vaccines for FelV. In her case, she had a cat she adopted who was FelV pos. and he died at 18 months of age. She had her other two cats vaccinated last year when she found out he was pos. and when she went to get their annual FelV boosters she was told they don't recommend them. I'm not sure if this means just the boosters or any FelV shots. Have any of you heard anything about this? Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond
I am so sorry. Nibbler will light the way for them L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Crystal Proper Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] RIP Brillo and Desmond Both of my beautiful baby boys, Brillo and Desmond joined their brother Nibbler in heaven today. My heart is broken. They will be missed more then words can describe. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] some comfort
This is wonderful detail! I am taking a online on demand course from the Louise Hay group and heard John Holland, the communicator, last night. He no longer does readings but says he can identify the breed of a dog from the other side who speaks to him and how comforting that is to those left behind. Thank-you for sharing this exciting communication! I think your subject line says it all :-) Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] some comfort I think I mentioned a few days ago that I would be speaking with an animal communicator about Bridget. That happened tonight. I do feel better. I'd been so upset about my decision to have her spayed in spite of my apprehension, but he said he felt she had a weak immune system, perhaps liver problems, and the body she had wouldn't have lasted long. He said the vet did give her too much anesthesia - it was the standard amount for a cat her size, but it was just too much for her because she had some underlying problems. It was interesting. He said she'd been part of a litter with other cats who looked very much like her (very true) and who had the same problem (her brother died in September). He did say that he didn't see Chutney or the other cats around her, even though he knew that I had had other cats who had passed. This is where it gets strange. He said, She's showing me a whole lot of other cats and says you just got two more cats. (yes, the FeLV+ cat from Smyrna and one from work who tested positive for FIV so I just kept him.) These cats came just a few days ago. He said, be prepared, she says more cats will be coming. He wanted to know if I worked in rescue, and I do work at a shelter. I asked him if she said anything about other animals, and he said she was talking about a medium sized, very noisy black dog (she kept saying I heard the dog) who hadn't been around for very long (I just got that dog back in early January). That's a dog who would always jump up at her when I let the dogs into the house, and she's the noisiest damn dog ever. And he said she kept mentioning a farm and some other sort of animal, but he wasn't sure what. I don't have farm animals but I do have a ton of turtles who spend winters in the garage with the positive cats summers outdoors. That might be what he was referring to. I asked him whether she liked where she was buried. He said, She says it's a memorial garden with flowers and a big oak tree, and she's with others. Very true! And the strangest thing: I wondered if she was still around, and he said, You have a very big, comfortable bed with a very soft burgundy or wine colored throw on it, and that's where she is. And yes - it's a thick, double fleece wine colored big blanket, and it's always on the bed, and the cats and the dogs love it as much as I do. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Ditto! Lucky kitten and lucky youunconditional love! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Debbie Bates Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:48 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead Jeff, what a wonderful storyand you a an angel for giving this little guy a chance to live an to know what love feels like. Bravo!! _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat
I am certain this was meant to be. What a wonderful gift and what a blessing for you and the little one. What wonderful people to board her for that long. This little girl was just waiting for you Thank-you, Bridget. (Keisha sent me Tessa after she died- she is almost the same cat, even down to the raspy meow). Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 6:25 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget has sent me another cat First, thank you everyone for all your kindness and support over Bridget's passing. I appreciate it so much. But she's sent me another FeLV+ friend to help! On the evening of 3/17, the day she died, I checked the adoptable positives section of the website. Lo and behold, someone in GA had posted an available kitty just the day before. I never, ever check those postings, ever, but I figured the best way to honor Bridget, Baby Girl, Frosty Paws and the rest would be to take in another needy baby. These kind people had found this little girl in their neighborhood, but couldn't keep her due to the wife's allergies. They'd been boarding her at their vet's office for 5 weeks but hadn't been able to find her a home. Anyway, they brought me the cat yesterday, and she's just wonderful...still a little nervous around my big boys, but she'll be fine. Maybe this was meant to be. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
I am very glad you spoke to someoneplease let us know what you hear from Bridget. The morning after Keisha died I felt and heard (she purred constantly and loudly) her glued next to me in bed in those first seconds before reality slams into your consciousness. I know she was sleeping with me one last time. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead You might be right about that. I know a woman who's a medium, and when we spoke last night she said that Bridget was sent to me to give me two lessons: one, to learn to let go; and two, to trust my instincts more. Well, that's great, but if I'd trusted my instincts she'd still be alive! She also said that Bridget doesn't blame me and she is very happy on the other side, but will come back to me three days after her death (Saturday). --- On Fri, 3/19/10, MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com wrote: From: MaryChristine twelvehousec...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, March 19, 2010, 12:28 PM please, please remember that we do the very best we can at the moment, with the information at hand. you know, and bridget knows, that you would NEVER have done anything willingly to hurt her. you did what you thought was best, in her best interest. it may be true that you choose not to listen to an inner voice, but it may equally be true that that was the last lesson that bridget was here to teach you: to believe in that voice the next time. sometimes we only learn that sort of lesson this hardest way. i think that we try to take the blame for things because it's easier to think that we could have done something differently, changed outcomes, than to accept that we are, in many many situations, powerless. the healthiest cat can die from a simple surgery, or a undetected wound, or some genetic glitch we had no idea existed in its DNA soup. all we can do, for any of those in our lifes, regardless of species, is love them to the best of our ability, and know that every minute is a gift. GLOW to guide Bridget across the bridge, where she was met by many others who have gone before her. and as many others have said, she WILL come to you when the most intense pain has diminished a bit. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Laura, sending healing thoughts, energy and prayers to you. You did right by these kitties. There are so many things we cannot control. You gave them love and they had a better life with you than they would have had otherwise...even though brief. Godspeed, sweet Bridget. My beloved Keisha, (age unknown, FeLv-) was my kitty for 10 years. One day she was having trouble breathing. I took her to the ER. The vet told me he wanted to give her some oxygen and that she would be fine. He told me to come back in 2 hours. He called me an hour later and said she died. I had so many questions and guilt and then some days later I realized my guilt and the answers to my questions would not bring her back and I did the best I could. I did request a necropsy and did learn her cause of death (congestive heart failure. I also learned she had beginning stage lung cancer). Knowing what she died of did provide some measure of comfort but didn't change things. My best, Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:51 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead Oh Laura I am so sorry. You have truly had an awful time lately. Please don't blame yourself. I've had a couple kitties die under anesthesia. It has usually been their heart. You are such a wonderful person to take in these kitties have done so much more than most people would have. Unfortunately having these kitties takes a horrible toll on our hearts. My thoughts are with you. Beth Dont Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Wed, 3/17/10, LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com wrote: From: LauraM hingebacktorto...@yahoo.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:45 PM Bridget is dead. I had her spayed today and apparently she died very quickly under anesthesia. She was my baby. I would have done anything for her and now she's dead. It has been a miserable few weeks with Frosty Paws and then Baby Girl but this has broken my heart. She was doing so well. Could it have been the LTCI? I have to know whether I'm responsible for killing her. Please, if anyone knows whether the LTCI could have had something to do with it, maybe made her more sensitive to being put under, please let me know, I have to know whether I killed my cat. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead
Laura, you are obviously blessed with strong intuitive thought. I am so sorry that you are having these feelings that Bridget's passing is your fault. I know you will trust your gut in the future. For now, please try to forgive yourself. When I don't act or do act in opposition to my gut and something bad happens, all I can do is learn to listen better the next time. That is ALL I can do at that point. I have so many regrets about not doing what, in hindsight, I think I should have, but I cannot live there or it will kill me or make me sick. Bridget needs your positive energy to get where she is going. I am sending energy to you.for some peace in your heart and for self forgiveness. God bless you. You did what you thought was the right thing. Laurie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of LauraM Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 8:17 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bridget is dead This really bothers me. For the past week I've had an awful premonition that I shouldn't spay her, that she would die during surgery. I had a bad, bad feeling. No reason behind it, the thought just kept intruding. I ignored it and figured I was just worrying too much. It reminds me of something that happened a few years back. I had a day off in the middle of the week, it was springtime, I decided I would go to a nature preserve near my house to look for salamanders. Anyway, about a week before I planned to go, I began seeing a newspaper headline in my head: Hiker finds body in woods. The feeling was very disturbing and very, very strong. The day of my little trip came, and I was so freaked out I didn't go. A few days later I opened up the paper and what did I see? Hiker finds body in woods. At the nature preserve I planned to visit. In the very same spot I thought I'd find salamanders. It was a mentally ill man who had suffered from an apparent heart attack and died. This time I didn't trust my gut and look what happened. It is my fault. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell
And I do a nasal saline spray (Ayr) since the netti pot and I don't agree. Also, warm salt water gargle. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:34 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: wendy Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Vit C therapy Sally Snyder Jewell WHEN MY SINUSES ACT UP, THE FIRST THING I TAKE IS l-lYSINE AND 1000 UNITS OF C. ALL THE DOCTOR'S ANTIBIOTICS DO NOT WORK. THE VIRUS I THINK HAS MUTATED AND IS NOW IMMUNE TO THEM. DORLIS wendy wendy2...@yahoo.com wrote: Sally, I am a huge believer in Vit C, not only for animals, but humans as well. This week I have been fighting off a cold since Friday, and popping 1000 mg of Vit C every 1-4 hours, on and off. Had I not been popping the Vit C, I know from past experience I'd already have been to the doc. My friend's family owns an alternative treatment center here in the town where I live, and they do Vit C IV therapy on their patients. I also believe in the value of L-lysine as an anti-viral, although we've had some very interesting conversations here debating that fact. :) Wendy Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
As a matter of fact, I have! I worried that it might attract MORE bats.not sure what the outcome would be. I do love bats and, of course, let the last one out (my cats killed the first one and I only found body parts). Because the second one was in the bedroom area, we all had to have the rabies series of shots! There was a presumption we'd been bitten. If there is a next time I won't tell anyone... -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of POTT, BEVERLY Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:35 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Hey Laurie- have you ever considered putting up bat houses? That may keep them out of the house :-) http://www.batconservation.org/content/Bathouseimportance.html -Original Message- From: Laurieskatz [mailto:lauriesk...@mchsi.com] Sent: Thu 3/4/2010 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] MeMe 2006-3-32010
Jane, I am so sorry. I did not realize when we talked privately yesterday that MeMe took the 10PM flight to heaven just the night before. The two photos of Meme are amazing (and so are your other photos!). Your love is between every line of your story about sweet MeMe. What a joyful cat she was. And what a character. Grief is not for sissies. I still cannot talk about recent losses without tears. I can't talk about long ago losses without tears. Our grief is evidence that someone lived and was loved. It is how we honor their lives and how we heal. Feel your grief. Let your Scotties comfort you. And you, them. Look for MeMe. I suspect, with her being such a character, that she will visit you. When the Scotties look at something you cannot see, it could be MeMe. I think animals see things we don't or can't. God bless you for loving this wonderful soul. You will be tied together forever. Pick up the book Cat Heaven, by Cynthia Rylant, if you can. It is a child's picture book and very comforting. XO L - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
Same is true here. I caught hell for not killing the bat so they could examine it. I would make the same choice again. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaryChristine Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations i was in MI then On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Cougar Clan maima...@duo-county.com wrote: What state are you in? On Mar 5, 2010, at 12:51 PM, MaryChristine wrote: THEY DON'T CARE. if there is a bat found in the house, they will tell you that you AND the cats could easily have been bitten without your even noticing it, by the very sharp little bat teeth. if the bat comes back rapid and your animals are NOT current, they WILL be confiscated, and they WILL be killed. they will come back as negative, more than likely, but they'll be dead then, so it hardly matters. i learned this when a bat that i KNEW the cats hadn't even seen (he flew up from the basement, and we covered him before they noticed) was taken--i talked to the state health department, and to the dept of ag, trying to find out why i couldn't just quarantine them, since the symptoms don't take that long to show up. i was told by everyone that, while they don't kill people who might have been bitten, they WILL take the animals. so, yes, i had a whole plan set up to sneak me and the cats out of the state, in the requisite middle of the night, if that bat was positive.. so it's a choice, but you might want to check with your state over what that choice could entail. MC -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue ( www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Spay Neuter Your Neighbors! Maybe That'll Make The Difference MaryChristine Special-Needs Coordinator, Purebred Cat Breed Rescue (www.purebredcats.org) Member, SCAT (Special-Cat Action Team) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] vaccinations
Thank-you to all who responded. GREAT help! I loved the KY vet link and the thoughts about a holistic remedy to be used if vaccinating. I talked to my vet and he does have the purevax. He prefers the 3 year adjuvanted rabies but will use the purevax. He also has the internasal distemper. He said it is up to me what we do. He also mentioned, as did several people here, that the law and vet hospitalization require rabies. My dilemma there is, if they are sick enough to be hospitalized, they will be too sick to be vaccinated if they are not already vaccinated. My vet recommends agst titer testing. He said it is not accurate. Another vet did do titer testing on Frankie and found he was still covered for some of the distemper diseases but not all. We have had bats in the house twice. That is probably my biggest worry. I do think the entries have all been closed but we do live in the woods and they like to sleep behind our shutters. I am still undecided about the vaccines, but I am better informed~ Thank-you! Laurie and tribe ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] any advice
Interferon worked great for us. Try stinky foods (Fancy Feast, Solid gold tuna, etc). Good info at Feline assisted feeding yahoo group about anorexia. Can sprinkle tuna flakes on her food to stimulate appetite, too. WATCH FOR DIARRHEA if you are trying new foods. Important to keep her eating. Glad you posted about it. Wonder if she has a URI? If they can't smell, they won't eat. Any trouble breathing? Given a choice, they will breathe before eating. Good luck to you and Scooter. L -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of jeanne ogrady Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:08 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] any advice HI MY CAT SCOOTER HAS FELINE LEUK. SHE IS STARTING TO STRUGGLE EATING ON AND OFF. ANY ADVISE ABOUT DRUGS TO BOOST THE IMMUNE SYSTEM. OR OTHER METHODS THAT ANYONE HAS TRIED. THANKS MUCH APPRECIATED. JEANNE ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction
Bless you and your family for helping all these kitties. I am so sorry for your losses. My Squeaky was also figured to be a carrier. He was symptom free for 22 years! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of David Lisa Ogg Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive and our Introduction Hi, I am rather new to this list, but wanted to ask Sue how long ago was it that sweet Casper was vacinated for Feline Leukemia before she tested positive? I am just curious as I am learning so much about this horrible disease. I have been reading many posts since I joined in January and I just want to say thank you to all of you out there who care for these positive furballs like a do. I can't believe how much I have learned. I also would like to share my story with you. My daughter and I foster for a small rescue in PA (bottle babies is our specialty) and we have just recently became a positive house. Prior to January, we had a negative cat, Polly (our own) which we adopted in 2006 and Chessie, adopted in September 2008. In December of 2008, we took in a foster cat from a vet that had a hip injury and the original owners were going to have her put to sleep due to lack of finances. The vet felt that Jasmine (1-2 years old) had such a sweet personality and deserved better. She contacted the rescue and asked if we would be willing to take her. Before we brought her home, she was tested at the vets for Feline Leukemia and it came back negative. She had her surgery, spayed, etc. and healed fine. Anyway, Chessie became sick right around Christmas and when he stopped eating, I took him to the vet and he tested positive. He progressed very fast and passed away in January. After having the other two cats tested, Polly was negative (has since died due to tumor), and Jasmine tested positive. This caused a big stir in our house and the lady we foster for as that meant several cats needed to be tested. In January we also lost 2 other kittens who were adopted out which were exposed to my Positive cats while they were kittens (and later, since one of them wasn't adopted right away, the one was exposed to the cats from the lady we rescue from). After much testing between the lady who we rescue cats for and our house, we have determined that Jasmine seems to be the one who has spread it. We are assuming that she is a carrier. She is a very healthy cat.Since one of the other cats at our rescue (in another house) tested positive, we took her in. We have many more cats there that have tested negative, but are getting retested in a couple of months. Today we just added a beautiful, positive Snow Shoe girl to our family. We have named her Tootsie. She was found 3 weeks ago by a friend of mine and was neglected/abused. My friend took her in and has saved her (had an exposed trachea and gangerine) and didn't think she would find anyone with a positive cat(s). Surprise! My friend has dealt with a lot of trauma/wounds, but has never seen anything like this. We look forward to providing for her and giving her the best care she could have. Thanks for letting me share. Lisa - Original Message - From: Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com To: FeLV talk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 7:47 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Casper is positive My poor sweet Casper is FeLV+. So by making the decision to mix I have condemned him. He is anemic and he is going on Doxycyclne and Prednosolone. Has anyone ever heard of a cat that has anemia living longer then a few months? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] vaccination questions
I don't currently have any FeLv+ cats. I am wondering what others do about vaccinating non FeLV+ cats. Some of my cats are older (12/13) and some have health issues ( asthma, pancreatitis, allergies). I really hate to vaccinate these guys for anything (including rabies). Rabies is required but Coco has a terrible reaction every time she is vaccinated for rabies (stops eating). I know the adjuvant is the suspected caused of VAS. I know there is an adjuvant free distemper vaccine and also an inter nasal. I do not know if there is an adjuvant free rabies vaccine. I also know a smaller needle is recommended for all vaccinations to keep from injecting the skin plug into the body. I don't like to vaccinate. I know that adult cats generally do not need the panleukopenia part of the distemper series vaccination. All of mine have been regularly vaccinated for years, except Tessa (she has been here 18 months and vaccinated once for rabies and distemper). We tried the titer testing but my vet discourages that (I think for cost reasons). I do not vaccinate for FeLV anymore (I would if I had an FeLV+ cat living with my others). My vet believes the initial round of FeLV vaccinations might be sufficient for life. Would others be willing to share what you do about vaccinating? Thanks, Laurie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
