Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION
Thank you for replying. I will continue to keep a very close watch on her.
Nancy
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Hi Nancy She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long
as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears,
and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia. I don’t think
she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long
course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no
idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I
believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a
shot and it works, let the rest of us know. Amani From: Felvtalk
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com
Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION Hello, My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV
for 3 years. We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it. The
two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was
false. The kitten was actually a positive. When I tested my other girl, she
also had it. Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my
other girl is still going strong. I had her retested yesterday because you
would just never know she has it. It was still positive. Could she be a
carrier? The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect. He
thought she may be a carrier. Wanted to have your thoughts. Although she is
doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her? Maybe to keep the
immune system strong? Thank you. Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION
Hi Nancy She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia. I don’t think she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a shot and it works, let the rest of us know. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gidge...@aol.com Sent: February-23-19 8:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION Hello, My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years. We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it. The two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false. The kitten was actually a positive. When I tested my other girl, she also had it. Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going strong. I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has it. It was still positive. Could she be a carrier? The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect. He thought she may be a carrier. Wanted to have your thoughts. Although she is doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her? Maybe to keep the immune system strong? Thank you. Nancy ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Are vet schools doing much to find a cure? Amani Oakley wrote: > Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted > cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy > Robertson > Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM > To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV? > > Thank you, > Ardy > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, > water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other > than by physical contact. > > Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; > > "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" > > FelV spreads thru close friendly contact > > FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are > altered...right?) > > Margo > > > > -Original Message- > >From: dlg...@windstream.net > >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM > >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I > >took Annie in. > > > > Ardy Robertson wrote: > >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in > >> his carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed > >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > > > >Ardy > > > >-----Original Message- > >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf > >Of Theresa O'Rourke > >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM > >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > >Thank you Lorrie, > > > >So happy I joined this group. > >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And > >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. > >However, I won’t do this again, > >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through > >this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure > >that is NOT NECESSARY. > >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so > >neurotic. 😊 > > > > > >Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > >> > >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > >> developed. > >> > >> Lorrie > >> > >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: > >>> > >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was > >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the > >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) > >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy > >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the > >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and > >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read > >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with > >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > >>> > >>> Amani > >>> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or > >> g > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list > >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > >___ > >Felvtalk mailing list &
Re: [Felvtalk] Question
Yes Ardy. FIV is also a death sentence, more often than not, for afflicted cats. And again, there is very little in the veterinary arsenal to combat it. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy Robertson Sent: December-03-17 12:00 PM To: 'Margo'; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV? Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so >neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I try to do that too -- although I am surrounded by Amish farms who do not neuter their animals, and I have so many strays coming here - mostly for food. I do neuter as many as I can after they have been here for a while. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 6:29 AM To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Re: spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter. I do not want to be a contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier lives. Margo wrote: > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so >neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Margo - I don't know much about FIV - is that fatal as often as FeLV? Thank you, Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2017 5:36 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf >Of Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so >neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy >>> (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the >>> house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or >> g > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Sent from my iPad > On Nov 30, 2017, at 7:29 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > Re: spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then > it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter. I do not want to be a > contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier > lives. > > Margo wrote: >> > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, > water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other > than by physical contact. > > Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; > > "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" > > FelV spreads thru close friendly contact > > FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are > altered...right?) > > Margo > > > > -Original Message- >> From: dlg...@windstream.net >> Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >> took Annie in. >> >> Ardy Robertson wrote: >>> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >>> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >>> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. >> >> Ardy >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >> Theresa O'Rourke >> Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >> To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> Thank you Lorrie, >> >> So happy I joined this group. >> I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >> clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >> However, I won’t do this again, >> Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through >> this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure >> that is NOT NECESSARY. >> IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >>> >>> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >>> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >>> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >>> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >>> developed. >>> >>> Lorrie >>> >>>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>>> >>>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>>> >>>> Amani >>>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Re: spay/neuter, First I give them 2 weeks for an owner to show up and then it is off to the vet for an exam and spay/neuter. I do not want to be a contributor to unwanted kittens/puppies plus they will live longer healthier lives. Margo wrote: > Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Transmission of FeLV takes prolonged contact between cats; sharing food, water and litterboxes, and often mutual grooming. It is NOT transmitted other than by physical contact. Easiest way for me to differentiate between that and FIV transmission; "FeLV is a disease of friends, FIV is a disease of enemies" FelV spreads thru close friendly contact FIV spreads by deep bite wounds (or sexual contact, but all our animals are altered...right?) Margo -Original Message- >From: dlg...@windstream.net >Sent: Nov 29, 2017 12:16 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I >took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > >Ardy > >-Original Message- >From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of >Theresa O'Rourke >Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM >To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >Thank you Lorrie, > >So happy I joined this group. >I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And >clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. >However, I won’t do this again, >Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this >again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is >NOT NECESSARY. >IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 > > >Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, For all your wonderful responses. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:16 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I > took Annie in. > > Ardy Robertson wrote: >> I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his >> carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed >> concerned about spreading it to the other patients. > > Ardy > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM > To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > Thank you Lorrie, > > So happy I joined this group. > I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And > clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. > However, I won’t do this again, > Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this > again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that > is NOT NECESSARY. > IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 > > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: >> >> This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 >> and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived >> with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand >> FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully >> developed. >> >> Lorrie >> >>> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >>> >>> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >>> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >>> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >>> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >>> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >>> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >>> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >>> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >>> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >>> >>> Amani >>> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Since the vet is not worried, why should you? I thought about that when I took Annie in. Ardy Robertson wrote: > I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his > carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned > about spreading it to the other patients. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Theresa O'Rourke Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Thank you Lorrie, So happy I joined this group. I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. However, I won’t do this again, Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is NOT NECESSARY. IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > developed. > > Lorrie > >> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >> >> Amani >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I always wondered about it when I took Tigger to the vet. I kept him in his carrier until we went into the exam room, but the vets never seemed concerned about spreading it to the other patients. Ardy -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Theresa O'Rourke Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:34 PM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Thank you Lorrie, So happy I joined this group. I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. However, I won’t do this again, Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is NOT NECESSARY. IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > developed. > > Lorrie > >> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >> >> Amani >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you Lorrie, So happy I joined this group. I’ll keep the cat for a week, spoil him, not mix him with Other cat’s, And clean well after, The room will be left empty for 7 days after. However, I won’t do this again, Because I have other people’s cats in separate room and Won’t go through this again! ☺️☺️ I’ll even change my clothes when I go in and out, But sure that is NOT NECESSARY. IF it was just my cat’s, I have three of my own, I wouldn’t be so neurotic. 😊 Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2017, at 11:56 AM, Lorrie wrote: > > This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 > and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived > with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand > FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully > developed. > > Lorrie > >> On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: >> >> We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was >> infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the >> infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) >> That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little >> boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in >> the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and >> groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read >> repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with >> adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. >> >> Amani >> > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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This is my experience too. I've had FelV cats who lived to be 8 or 9 and one of my FelV cats is about 11 and still OK. These cats lived with many other negative cats. These were adult cats... I understand FelV is most dangerous to kittens whose immune systems are not fully developed. Lorrie On 11-22, Amani Oakley wrote: > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was > infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the > infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) > That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little > boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in > the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and > groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read > repeatedly that it really isn???t that infectious, especially with > adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have had feral and dump cats for over 40 years, including 4 FELV cats. I have never had to wash anything when one of them passed. None of my FELV negative cats ever contracted the disease and all have died of old age including Annie who was FELV and over 10 years. They eat from the same bowls, sleep on the same beds. It has to do with the age of the cts. If your cts are under 1 year, they are more likely to contract the disease because their imune system is not as strong. Theresa O'Rourke wrote: > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you, that is one of the best answers I’ve received. I won’t do this again, because I take care of other’s cats. However, for this time, the cat will be in his own room, he’ll have special toys I’ll throw out after, I’ll play with him, and brush him, poor thing. I’ll wash my hands and change clothes, it may be fanatic, but whatever.. However, after he leaves, I’ll wash everything, and give the room and floor a big cleaning. So all should be well, I promised my daughter, But I won’t do it again. Thank you for the great answer!!! Poor cat, it is so sad. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: > > Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. > Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time. > The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just > cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves > should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, etc. from water > or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side. > > You might want to have different shoes on too? and clothes, if you will be > playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might > be > going overboard. Definitely wash hands after handling... > > Shelley > > >> On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: >> >> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with >> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily >> through a bite. >> - Original Message - >> From: Theresa O'Rourke >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. >> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate >> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after >> the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats >> also and want to know if they can catch >> The disease. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Immune system plays a huge part-usually mature cats have a vibrant immune system, it’s the very young or older cats that would be more at risk, IMO. Also, the FeLV cat’s immune system is compromised, I believe, so contact with other cats would be something to consider for the health of the FeLV diagnosed cat. I have a cat diagnosed in 2010, that I strongly feel beat the virus-(answer to Prayer) he was older when I found him, the vet guessing him to be around 1 year old. We keep him in our guest room with a modified door so he “participates” in the hall/house activities and the room is ventilated. I will not take him to the vet unless he becomes ill-keeping the STRESS down so no testing! My practice is to wash my hands with alcohol and or soap for 20 seconds before & after I’m in his room. I keep his dishes sterile, no shared food or water or containers- but that’s about it. Now- this is my practice and everyone needs to follow his/her own inner voice on this matter- just sharing - not pushing an agenda. lol Gloria, furmommy to Buddy Luv -g 🇺🇸 Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:04 AM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, > despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would > decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event > though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly > pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even > though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I > have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially > with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch The disease. > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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As I said – I had a cat in with at least 8 other cats for 7 years with no transmission. They shared food and water bowls, beds, grooming, playing, biting, scratching - the whole nine yards. I don’t think it is particularly contagious with older cats. Amani From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Shelley Theye Sent: November-22-17 2:29 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time. The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, etc. from water or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side. You might want to have different shoes on too? and clothes, if you will be playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might be going overboard. Definitely wash hands after handling... Shelley On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com<mailto:kresch...@mchsi.com> wrote: My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a bite. - Original Message - From: Theresa O'Rourke mailto:theresa.orou...@videotron.ca>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Felvtalk] Question I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org<mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Actually, Feline Leukemia can also be transmitted through ‘friendly’ contact. Sharing food/water and grooming each other over a period of time. The virus only lives for a few hours in the environment, so really just cleaning out the food/water bowls and litter box after the cat leaves should suffice, and check to see if any wet spots on floor, etc. from water or urine and disinfect just to be on the safe side. You might want to have different shoes on too? and clothes, if you will be playing with and handling the cat a lot, in case drools on you…but that might be going overboard. Definitely wash hands after handling... Shelley > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > > My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with > blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily > through a bite. > - Original Message - > From: Theresa O'Rourke > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch > The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:30 AM, marlene melpignano wrote: > > From what I read (scientific articles) the virus might stay in the room from > 2 to 7 days. No conclusive data on this, but be careful. Even if a bite is > surely the most common way to catch Felv > > Inviato da iPhone > >> Il giorno 22 nov 2017, alle ore 17:03, kresch...@mchsi.com ha scritto: >> >> My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with >> blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily >> through a bite. >> - Original Message - >> From: Theresa O'Rourke >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question >> >> I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. >> My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate >> room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after >> the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats >> also and want to know if they can catch >> The disease. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Amani Oakley wrote: > > We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, > despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would > decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event > though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly > pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even > though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I > have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially > with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Theresa O'Rourke > Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 22, 2017, at 11:03 AM, kresch...@mchsi.com wrote: > > My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with > blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily > through a bite. > - Original Message - > From: Theresa O'Rourke > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch > The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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We had a FeLV cat who lived to age 7. No other cat in our house was infected, despite the fact that our vet initially said that the infection would decimate the house. (We had at least 8 other cats.) That was the case event though we never isolated our FeLV little boy (it would have been fairly pointless as he had already been in the house almost a year by then) and even though he played with and groomed several of the other cats in the house. I have since read repeatedly that it really isn’t that infectious, especially with adult cats. It is more of a risk with young kittens. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Theresa O'Rourke Sent: November-22-17 10:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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From what I read (scientific articles) the virus might stay in the room from 2 to 7 days. No conclusive data on this, but be careful. Even if a bite is surely the most common way to catch Felv Inviato da iPhone > Il giorno 22 nov 2017, alle ore 17:03, kresch...@mchsi.com ha scritto: > > My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with > blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily > through a bite. > - Original Message - > From: Theresa O'Rourke > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. > My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate > room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after > the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats > also and want to know if they can catch > The disease. > > Sent from my iPad > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My take on this disease is that FeL is transmitted by direct contact with blood or saliva from the infected cat. The FeLV is transmitted primarily through a bite. - Original Message - From: Theresa O'Rourke To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wed, 22 Nov 2017 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Felvtalk] Question I have three cats, and take care of other people’s cats. My daughter’s friend has a FeLV positive cat, can I keep her in a separate room for a week, do I have to wash all the linens and clean the room, after the cat goes back home? It’s because I take care of other friend’s cats also and want to know if they can catch The disease. Sent from my iPad ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Marlene, Without more info, I can suggest starting DMG, if it isn't contraindicated with any of the other supplements you are using. My Mako fought so hard at a recent Vet visit (and this was new) that they decided not to stress him. My Vet said she had been reading about using Gabapentin as sedation for aggressive/fractious cats, and when I googled, this came up; http://vetanesthesiaspecialists.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/SerenityNowSedationOptions_Feline_ABVP2015_HeidiLShafford.pdf We had to get blood, he was spiraling downhill. So, we tried. He got 50 mgs (1/2 a capsule) in a small amount of baby food, an hour before his appointment, so about 1.5 hrs before the attempted blood draw. They got blood, and that sent us to the Vet Specialists. He got it for that appointment, as well, but 3 hours ahead. All went well there, too. There didn't seem to be any real side effects, he was quiet, but not overly so. He did have anesthesia for aspirates, and the gabapentin was not an issue. Even better, it's easily available at human pharmacies in 100mg caps, and was on the $4 list. HTH, Margo and Mako -Original Message- >From: Marlene Snowman >Sent: Aug 28, 2016 8:15 PM >To: Felv >Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > >Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I >have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little >more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able >to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her >dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay >alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and >ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose >and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and >lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on >antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). >She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose >infection has never cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow >to clear than the original greenish mucous. > >I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats >well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. > >Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? > >Thanks >Marlene > >Sent from my iPhone >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I personally do not do lysine AT ALL. It was only ever really recommended for herpes, there's recent evidence it doesn't even work for that, and it reduces something else they need (can't remember right now). http://www.petmd.com/blogs/thedailyvet/ken-tudor/2014/august/feline-herpes-virus-bad-news-popular-treatment-31971 What I totally recommend, and so does my holistic vet: Raw or partially cooked diet. Standard Process Immune System Support. I've seen standard process clear up some nasty stuff. Kelley and Coco. On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Marlene Snowman wrote: > Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice > too. I have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was > just a little more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet > has yet been able to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She > isn't feral but her dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength > and fight to stay alive. I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with > astragalus and ligustrum twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on > antibiotics for a nose and eye infection, not to mention the fleas, ear > mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations on her legs when I first rescued her > but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 months at least. (So antibiotics > for most of her life). She's gone from a pound to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a > great improvement. The nose infection has never cleared, so boogers are a > constant, although more a yellow to clear than the original greenish mucous. > > I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats > well, drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. > > Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? > > Thanks > Marlene > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question for those with multiple FeLV+ cats (2 or more)
Harley & Brock have the run of an 850 sq. ft. garage/workshop that is attached to the house, but it is not insulated, therefore not heated, plus due to its size, heating would be difficult. I don't use it as a garage or workshop due to getting FeLV+ Milkdud 5 years ago. Some construction materials are stored there, otherwise I just keep adding things for the cats. There is a picnic table, a ladder and shelves to climb on, a Dogloo and a wooden dog house with heated pads and fluffy blankets, a couple of donut beds, rugs, toys, a deluxe cot with a comforter and a children's sleeping bag (Harley's favorite), and a lounge chair with a big sleeping bag. But I worried about Harley dealing with the cold when he came home to recover, so I set up an ice fishing shelter in the middle of the garage and put an infrared heater in it (cube kind that can't tip). I moved the cot & lounge chair in it, got a battery operated light/fan to hang from the ceiling, and put one litterbox in it so they can potty in comfort, and their water and kibble is in there too. Plus lots of toys. They love it, and I have been having fun "camping out" in there with them. I am looking for a portable TV to put in there too! I bought a bunch of new toys for them, and tonight I found that one of them (probably Harley) had brought an old toy inside the tent that had been left in a donut bed. I zipper the door shut, but leave just enough unzipped so they can go in and out as they please. In the main house, there are 12 cats that are FeLV negative. There is mostly an open floor plan, leaving no place in the house to keep the FeLV+ boys. The bedroom is reserved for 2 girls that don't always get along with others (one is very timid, the other will bully smaller girls except for her roommate). The bedroom door stays unlatched so the girls can come and go. I only latch it if Peaches goes into bully mode while out and about. Then I put her back in the room for a while and latch the door. One other cat has her own "fort" in the great room with a door in it that is too small for her nemesis to get through. The fort has 2 levels, 2 beds & a crate with a towel, food & water, 1 litterbox. Anaya has figured out when her nemesis Tressa sleeps, and comes out of her fort to explore then. None of the cats are allowed outside due to coyotes and other wildlife, plus it would be so expensive to put Frontline Plus on all of them. I used to allow Binky to go outside under supervision, but since Gabby died last year, Binky hasn't had much interest in going outside. Marsha On 12/30/2014 1:02 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My Annie (+) occassionaly sneezes, but I have put it down to dust, especially because he sneezes when the furnace kicks on. Usually 2 or 3 times and then no more. You say heated area is 9' x 9', is he not allowed the run of the house? Annie usually starts from the east end and slides into the west end. In fact, they all love that or they leap to the back of a chair, rocking it back and forth. my Harley has been frustated because I won't let him out in ran, snow. When I do let him out, he turns around or doesn't go out at all because he realizes it is WET out there. When this happens, he starts pouncing on the others and slinks away to bed because they do not want to play. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My Annie (+) occassionaly sneezes, but I have put it down to dust, especially because he sneezes when the furnace kicks on. Usually 2 or 3 times and then no more. You say heated area is 9' x 9', is he not allowed the run of the house? Annie usually starts from the east end and slides into the west end. In fact, they all love that or they leap to the back of a chair, rocking it back and forth. my Harley has been frustated because I won't let him out in ran, snow. When I do let him out, he turns around or doesn't go out at all because he realizes it is WET out there. When this happens, he starts pouncing on the others and slinks away to bed because they do not want to play. Marsha wrote: > Have you had one FeLV+ cat get a URI, but others did not get it? Brock > has not come down with the URI that Harley had. He sneezed a few times > early on, but no discharge or any other symptoms, so the very mild > sneezing may or may not have been a URI. Maybe just dust in the air. > Harley has an occasional sneeze now, but that's all, except he seems to > be less tolerant of cold, and is on a mission to make up for lost > playtime. This is a little frustrating for him, because the heated area > is only 9' x 9', and Harley likes to zoom across a bigger area, and go > skidding on a piece of cardboard. Plus Brock won't wrestle with him. > He was eyeing Brock night before last like he was going to "get" him, > and Brock cringed, but Harley decided Brock was no fun, and let him be. > > Marsha > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Lee makes a point, You probably do not want to mix a FL+ cat with others if that cat is a fighter. My Pookie is a "total" marshmellow. And he doesn't even like to mingle with the other cats. He'll be in the same room with them, but never grooms or lies next to them. Also this summer when he was symptomatic, he was separated into his own room. I have heard that what most often kills FL+ cats is an infection that they cannot fight because the virus attacks their immune system. My holistic vet, besides the accupuncture, has proscribed Wei Qi (Way chee) for his immune system. He is also on Standard Process Feline Immune System Support. The regular vets will not know about these (sadly). The Baytril (regular vet) knock out what secondary infection he came up with, and the accupuncture and these other herbs brought him to full health. Because the holistic vet was so helpful, I would recommend them to anyone. No kiddingone day he was not eating and running a tempthe day after the accupuncture, he jumped on my lap, had a cold nose, and started eating. I don't care how it works.but it did for him. Grateful mom.. On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Lee Evans wrote: What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful person who had had losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to take ( I think she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed. From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Hi, Thanks for describing your cats' histories. Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: From: Lee Evans To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. -
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
What I meant is that I don't mix leukemia positive cats into my general group as I would an FIV positive cat with a marshmallow personality who does not fight, not an alpha cat type. I did have two feline leukemia positive cats for over two years. They lived together in a separate room with each other. They were perfectly healthy for those two years, then suddenly turned symptomatic. One passed away quickly from what the vet diagnosed as bone marrow cancer. The other simply lost weight uncontrollably and followed his buddy over the edge. He probably also had bone marrow cancer or lymphoma. Those are the most likely two illness that kill the leukemia positive cats when the disease goes active. I also found a wonderful person who had had losses from feline leukemia but was willing to go through the heartbreak again just to give a cat a chance at life. One of the cats I gave to her passed away in two years. The second one I begged her to take ( I think she was ready to shoot me when phoned to ask if she would foster another FeLv+ cat) is still living the life of luxury with her. It has been 6 years and counting so far. Keeping all fingers and paws crossed. > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2013 6:39 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > >Hi, >Thanks for describing your cats' histories. >Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? >> However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. >> Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. > >Shelley > > >On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> >> >> From: Lee Evans >> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" >> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is >> as contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in >> with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, >> grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter >> boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. >> They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout >> their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they >> had tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested >> again to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I >> could possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, >> they both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the >> bone marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down >> and their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. >> >> >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing
Hi, Thanks for describing your cats' histories. Can you explain what you mean in the last few sentences of your posting? > However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. > Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 8:37 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > From: Lee Evans > To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 7:33 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > You are a good, caring and compassionate person. I don't feel that FeLv is as > contagious as vets try to panic us into thinking. I had two cats mixed in > with 8 others. They all lived together in cat harmony for many years, > grooming each other, eating, drinking together and using the same litter > boxes. They lived in love and happiness. Then Tiger and Twerp became ill. > They were very old, around 15 years. I had had them tested twice throughout > their lifetime when each had come down with a very stubborn URI. But they had > tested negative both times. At the end of their days, I had them tested again > to see if they were not suffering from old age but from something I could > possibly treat. Along with the fact that they both had renal failure, they > both tested positive for FeLv. Probably, the virus was dormant in the bone > marrow all those years but when their immune system began to break down and > their kidneys were failing, the virus took hold also. They passed away > quietly within hours of each other. The other 8 cats who had been living with them tested negative for everything and all died of old age and renal failure. I don't know when Tiger and Twerp became actively FeLv+ but it doesn't matter. It shows that even with such close interaction, the cats that did not test positive still did not test positive. However, I do not mix positive-for- leukemia cats with my regular group. Right now all the cats who are with me are either negative or turned. However, I do have a few little marshmallows who are FIV+ mixed into the group because they don't fight. I also have a small FIV "shelter", a detached building of one large room and a wire-enclosed porch for four FIV+ cats who have a bit of an attitude and are not to be trusted to keep a friendly discussion friendly. > > From: "trustinhi...@charter.net" > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Shelley.. > > I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully > vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. > Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the > virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't > afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle > together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues > tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was > encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves > with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 > years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious > about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you > have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests > are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will > always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But > he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 > (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough > antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just > stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Lee, that's interesting. Hadn't thought about a limited contact scenario before. So sorry to hear about your own negative vaccine experience. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 5:14 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has > her own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats > for a short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. > I'm not too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv > vaccine, like cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being > vaccinated and had no other source of being infected. I have also had a > personal experience with a faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It > left me with nerve damage which has not improved with age but at least I > wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a couple of years while my muscles gained > strength with physical therapy. Vaccines are not the perfect answer to > everything. > > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Hi Lee, > > Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn > negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then > again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. > Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > > Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their > negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > > Shelley > > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats > > rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have > > had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, > > around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted > > after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He > > tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another > > vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months > > and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet > > medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned > > negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet > > another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. > > > > Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex > > (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year > > old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I > > put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested > > positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 > > months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got > > her spayed. > > > > However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten > > brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. > > They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, > > she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with > > a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still > > tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom > > loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that > > Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and > > gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is > > perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. > > > > The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that > > Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus > > as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a > > little street stray. > > > > > > From: Shelley Theye > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > > Lee, > > > > Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have > > that threw off the virus? > > Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have > > had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months > > before they ever were tested? > > > > Shelley > > > >
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Thanks Sharly. I am nervous to intentionally mix, but I don't want Leo to be alone forever. My other cats have never received the FeLV vaccine so far. Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Sharyl wrote: > Shelly all I can d I tell you what I did. When I was rescuing FeLV kittens I > did have all my negatives vaccinated. It has been over 3 years since my last > FeLV cat died. All of my negatives are still with me and are fine > > Sharyl > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Hi Lee, > > Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn > negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then > again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. > Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > > Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their > negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > > Shelley > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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bedroom and >>> gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is >>> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. >>> >>> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that >>> Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus >>> as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a >>> little street stray. >>> >>> >>> From: Shelley Theye >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >>> >>> Lee, >>> >>> Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have >>> that threw off the virus? >>> Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have >>> had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months >>> before they ever were tested? >>> >>> Shelley >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: >>> >>>> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in >>>> about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or >>>> may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not >>>> fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too >>>> bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect >>>> advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really >>>> should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test >>>> does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and >>>> feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with >>>> cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. >>>> >>>> >>>> From: Betheny Laubenthal >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM >>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >>>> >>>> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be >>>> done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can >>>> be inaccurate. >>>> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. >>>> We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the >>>> kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. >>>> She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. >>>> Miles and Journey were the only ones left. >>>> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the >>>> ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think >>>> that her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. >>>> What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with >>>> feline leukemia, killed virus. >>>> --Beth >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Felvtalk mailing list >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >> >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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MY ANNIE STIL TESTS POSITIVE, BUT SHE IS SO HEALTHY IT IS RIDUCULUS. THE NEGATIVE CATS GET FELV VACCINE. THEY EAT, DRINK AND PLAY TOGETHER, SQUABBLE SOMETIMES, BUT JUST SLAPPING AND HISSING, NO BITTING. trustinhi...@charter.net wrote: > Shelley.. > > I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully > vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. > Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the > virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't > afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle > together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues > tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was > encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves > with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 > years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious > about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you > have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests > are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will > always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But > he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 > (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough > antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just > stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: > > > Hi Lee, > > > > Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still > > turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and > > neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am > > thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all > > of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > > > > Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their > > negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > > > > Shelley > > > > > > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > >> Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were > >> cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male > >> who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was > >> not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going > >> to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took > >> him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for > >> FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet > >> suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy > >> was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, > >> took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say > >> that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test > >> and he was again negative. He's still with me. > >> > >> Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex > >> (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a > >> year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, > >> Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. > >> She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, > >> re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be > >> sure. Negative again so got her spayed. > >> However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued > >> kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in > >> Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. > >> When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, > >> found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her > >> isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of > >> the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although > >> Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, > >> Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to > >> socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is > >> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. > >> > >> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect > >> that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not
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To answer if the foster mom has her cats vaccinated, NO. However, Taffy has her own litter box and own feeding bowl and only mingles with the other cats for a short time during the day, then back to her room with her pooch friend. I'm not too keen on vaccines. I have heard nasty things about the FeLv vaccine, like cats have come down with the disease a few weeks after being vaccinated and had no other source of being infected. I have also had a personal experience with a faulty polio vaccination when I was a teen. It left me with nerve damage which has not improved with age but at least I wasn't paralyzed, just in pain for a couple of years while my muscles gained strength with physical therapy. Vaccines are not the perfect answer to everything. > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 1:03 PM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > >Hi Lee, > >Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn >negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then >again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. >Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? > >Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their >negatives vaccinated for FeLV? > >Shelley > > > >On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats >> rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had >> not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age >> 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after >> neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested >> negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still >> positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then >> re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I >> did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say >> that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he >> was again negative. He's still with me. >> >> Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex >> (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year >> old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I >> put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested >> positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 >> months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got >> her spayed. >> >> However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten >> brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. >> They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, >> she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with >> a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still >> tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom >> loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that >> Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and >> gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is >> perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. >> >> The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that >> Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus >> as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little >> street stray. >> >> >> From: Shelley Theye >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> Lee, >> >> Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have >> that threw off the virus? >> Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had >> the FeLV virus for more than 2 months >> before they ever were tested? >> >> Shelley >> >> >> >> On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: >> >> > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in >> > about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or >> > may not have been actually positive. Since
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Shelly all I can d I tell you what I did. When I was rescuing FeLV kittens I did have all my negatives vaccinated. It has been over 3 years since my last FeLV cat died. All of my negatives are still with me and are fine Sharyl From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Shelley.. I lost a cat to FL in the 90's. After that I panicked and faithfully vaccinated my next five cats every year. Then I rescued another FL cat. Separated him from the others while he was symptomatic. He threw off the virus. As fate would have it, other rescues came to my door. I couldn't afford to have them all tested and vaccinated. (13). All my cats mingle together and non gets sick. I don't even bother to have my rescues tested because I know that I would never put them down anyway. I was encouraged by a women I met years ago who mixed negatives and positves with good results. When my one FL cat has had symptoms (only twice in 4 years) I isolate and treat him until he gets better. I am fastidious about clean bowls and water. God is taking care of them and me. If you have the money and you have only a few, get what ever treatment/tests are available. But I wouldn't stress over the testing. My Pookie will always test positive because he carries the disease in his system. But he is healthy as can be otherwise. I finally decided when my Lucy was 13 (she's 17 now). to stop vaccinating her. If they don't have enough antibodies built up by then, they never will! Maybe I am lucky, or just stupid, but I couldn't let an animal die form a lack of a home. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street stray. From: Shelley Theye To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing Lee, Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have that threw off the virus? Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months before they ever were tested? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for a
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Hi Lee, Thanks for explaining. Not sure if there is hope for Leo to still turn negative. He tested positive last July, when trapped and neutered, and then again in Nov. I haven't retested yet, and am thinking of doing the IFA too. Does the woman who has Taffy have all of her other cats vaccinated for FeLV? Do most people on this list who mix positive and negatives have their negatives vaccinated for FeLV? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 1:00 PM, Lee Evans wrote: > Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats > rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had > not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age > 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after > neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested > negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still > positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then > re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I > did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say > that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he > was again negative. He's still with me. > > Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex > (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old > when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her > in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for > FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she > tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. > > However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten > brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They > tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she > tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a > wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still > tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom > loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that > Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets > to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly > happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. > > The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that > Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as > a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little > street stray. > > > From: Shelley Theye > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > Lee, > > Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have > that threw off the virus? > Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had > the FeLV virus for more than 2 months > before they ever were tested? > > Shelley > > > > On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > > > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in > > about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or > > may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully > > developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad > > about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect > > advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really > > should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test > > does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and > > feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly > > dog is the best for this type of kitten. > > > > > > From: Betheny Laubenthal > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > > What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done > > so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be > > inaccurate. > > The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We > > did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten > > and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She > > was PTS before we c
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I can't be so hard on Vets anymore. Getting thru Vet school can't educate where the whole disease process is so little understood. I have researched FeLV up down and sideways, and NOTHING is certain. Two years ago I had a house full of negative cats. All my FL cats (we moved to SC) had been tested at LEAST twice. No new cat (2) was added without a doubly negative (60 days apart) FeLV test. One of the new ones was my first symptomatic +. I now have 2 positives, and probably two others, as well. I'm now (to my great distress) vaccinating against it. Can't figure out what else to do. Margo -Original Message- >From: trustinhi...@charter.net >Sent: Sep 24, 2013 1:09 PM >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > >I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through >Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a >male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was >neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels >with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens >becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is >irresponsible. > > >On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in >> about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may >> or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is >> not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as >> adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such >> ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, >> then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who >> understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be >> killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A >> home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this >> type of kitten. >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> From: Betheny Laubenthal >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 >>> PM >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >>> >>> >>> >>> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can >>> be done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, >>> it can be inaccurate. >>> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July >>> 16. We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We >>> pulled the kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a >>> high kill shelter. She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest >>> of the litter was PTS. Miles and Journey were the only ones left. >>> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS >>> (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the >>> owner think that her dogs could get it). I was called after the >>> fact. >>> What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way >>> with feline leukemia, killed virus. >>> --Beth >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree with Lee completely. It angers me that someone can get through Vet school and still not be knowledgable about this disease. I rescued a male cat, two years old, and only then learned he was FelV+ after he was neutered. He has thrown off the virus twice. He is over 6 now. mingels with my other rescues and no one has gotten sick. Killing kittens becasue they carry the virus (or some test says they ahve it) is irresponsible. On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. From: Betheny Laubenthal To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate. The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and Journey were the only ones left. Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with feline leukemia, killed virus. --Beth ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Shelley - I'm not sure as to when they were exposed. These were cats rescued from different places at different times. One, a male who I have had not for about 6 to 7 years, was rescued when he was not neutered, around age 2, street cat, but tame. Since I was going to get him adopted after neutering, I had him tested before I took him into my own house. He tested negative for FIV but positive for FeLv. I tested again at another vet. Still positive, but that vet suggested that I keep him for two months and then re-test. This guy was on top of the latest literature in vet medicine. So I did so, took Moses (cats name) back and he had turned negative. Not to say that I did not believe the test but too, Moses for yet another test and he was again negative. He's still with me. Bunny (Buns for short) is a female, abandoned at an apartment complex (notorious for abandoned, feral and stray cats). She was less than a year old when she was brought to me on Easter Morning. Thus her name, Bunny. I put her in a separate room, then took to vet to be tested. She tested positive for FeLv. Kept her isolated, did not spay, re-tested in about 3 months, she tested negative. Tested again to be sure. Negative again so got her spayed. However, my luck did not hold very well. Recently had a rescued kitten brought to me. I took Taffy to a local Humane Society in Bulverde Texas. They tested her prior to putting her up for adoption. When they tested her, she tested positive for FeLv. I took her back, found her a foster home with a wonderful foster mom, who kept her isolated for 3 months but Taffy still tested positive at the end of the isolation period. Fortunately, Foster mom loves her and although Taffy doesn't mix in to the community of 7 cats that Foster Mom has, Taffy lives with Foster Mom's dog in a spare bedroom and gets to socialize with the cats except during feeding time. Taffy is perfectly happy with the arrangement. So is the dog. The adults probably contracted FeLv during mating behavior. I suspect that Taffy got it from her birth mother but was not able to fight off the virus as a kitten because she did not have very good care and ended up as a little street stray. > > From: Shelley Theye >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:49 AM >Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > >Lee, > >Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have >that threw off the virus? >Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had >the FeLV virus for more than 2 months >before they ever were tested? > >Shelley > > > >On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > >> I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about >> 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not >> have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully >> developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad >> about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect >> advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really >> should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test >> does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and >> feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly >> dog is the best for this type of kitten. >> >> >> From: Betheny Laubenthal >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing >> >> What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done >> so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be >> inaccurate. >> The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We >> did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten >> and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was >> PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and >> Journey were the only ones left. >> Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill >> informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that >> her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. >> What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with >> feline leukemia, killed virus. >> --Beth >> >> ___ >> Felvtalk mailing list >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/li
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Lee, Can you explain more about the 2 month period for the adults that you have that threw off the virus? Do you know when they were first exposed, in other words could they have had the FeLV virus for more than 2 months before they ever were tested? Shelley On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:15 AM, Lee Evans wrote: > I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about > 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not > have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully > developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad > about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. > Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find > them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean > the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let > them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for > this type of kitten. > > > From: Betheny Laubenthal > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done > so that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be > inaccurate. > The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We > did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten > and her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was > PTS before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and > Journey were the only ones left. > Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill > informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that > her dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. > What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with > feline leukemia, killed virus. > --Beth > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I have had a lot of success with adult cats who threw off the virus in about 2 months and tested negative from then on. For kittens, they may or may not have been actually positive. Since their immune system is not fully developed, they might not throw off the virus as soon as adults. Too bad about the idiot vet who gave the adopters such ridiculously incorrect advice. Keep the kittens for another 4 weeks, then re-test. You really should find them a home with a person who understands that a positive test does not mean the kitten should be killed. If they are still looking and feeling well, let them live. A home with no other cats or with cat-friendly dog is the best for this type of kitten. > > From: Betheny Laubenthal >To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 7:04 PM >Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about FeLV/FIV testing > > > >What's the earliest that testing using a SNAP test for FeLV/FIV can be done so >that it is accurate? I know that if it is done early on, it can be inaccurate. >The reason I asked is that we adopted out a 10 week old kitten July 16. We >did not test. I don't like testing before 16 weeks. We pulled the kitten and >her sister from another state. Mom was in a high kill shelter. She was PTS >before we could rescue her. The rest of the litter was PTS. Miles and >Journey were the only ones left. >Today, the kitten (Miles) tested positive for leukemia and was PTS (the ill >informed vet used scare tactics on the owner and made the owner think that her >dogs could get it). I was called after the fact. >What is proper testing protocol? Vaccination protcol? I use a 4 way with >feline leukemia, killed virus. >--Beth >___ >Felvtalk mailing list >Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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A trip to the vet and try some herbal remidies for stones. Edna Taylor wrote: > > SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful > and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. > > Edna > > > > From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > > I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to > > FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful > > elimination. > > > > Good luck to you, > > Sara > > > > -Original Message- > > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter > > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > > > Greetings Everyone, > > > > We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and > > last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i > > thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the > > corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her > > litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, > > she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never > > seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so > > "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days > > ever! > > > > Has anyone else had this happen? > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ > > > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > http://www.eset.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Ho covenient! Just got an email from Only Natura Pet Store. The pills I mentioned are made by Nature's Herbs for Pets b a Dr. Victor Tse. MaiMaiPG wrote: > It has been 15 + years since she left this world (not related to the > stones). There were antibiotics and steriods I think. Somehow I > think there was meds to deal with the urine PH. Sorry I can't give > more information. Now I would check with a holistic vet as well as my > regular vets. > On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > > > > What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the > > vet said that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I > > tried feeding her the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the > > vet said if she is eating anything else (very hard to feed > > individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it was not doing > > her any good to eat the prescription diet :( > > > > > >> From: maima...@gmail.com > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >> > >> My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because > >> of > >> bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked > >> her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was > >> finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. > >> The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we > >> got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the > >> symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. > >> On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very > >>> painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. > >>> > >>> Edna > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >>>> > >>>> I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's > >>>> related to > >>>> FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing > >>>> painful > >>>> elimination. > >>>> > >>>> Good luck to you, > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin > >>>> Potter > >>>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > >>>> > >>>> Greetings Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our > >>>> vet, and > >>>> last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling > >>>> noise, i > >>>> thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was > >>>> growling in the > >>>> corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor > >>>> instead of her > >>>> litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and > >>>> Mr. Hyde, > >>>> she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've > >>>> never > >>>> seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was > >>>> more so > >>>> "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst > >>>> days > >>>> ever! > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone else had this happen? > >>>> ___ > >>>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >>>> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>>> > >>>> __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ > >>>> > >>>> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >>>> http://www.eset.com > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ___ > >>>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >>>> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I agree, stop any fish! Here's a list of good info on feline kidney stones and a variety of treatments: http://www.goodsearch.com/search.aspx?keywords=Feline+kidney+stones -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question Almost forgot, they say that foods containing fish may be a contributor for sturivite stones. Maybe stay away from fishy things for a bit and see if that helps. Especially watch the treats, they are usually heavy on fish content. Edna Taylor wrote: > > What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the vet said that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I tried feeding her the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the vet said if she is eating anything else (very hard to feed individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it was not doing her any good to eat the prescription diet :( > > > > From: maima...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > > My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of > > bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked > > her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was > > finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. > > The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we > > got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the > > symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > > SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very > > > painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. > > > > > > Edna > > > > > > > > >> From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > >> > > >> I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's > > >> related to > > >> FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing > > >> painful > > >> elimination. > > >> > > >> Good luck to you, > > >> Sara > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin > > >> Potter > > >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > >> > > >> Greetings Everyone, > > >> > > >> We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our > > >> vet, and > > >> last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling > > >> noise, i > > >> thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was > > >> growling in the > > >> corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor > > >> instead of her > > >> litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and > > >> Mr. Hyde, > > >> she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've > > >> never > > >> seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was > > >> more so > > >> "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst > > >> days > > >> ever! > > >> > > >> Has anyone else had this happen? > > >> ___ > > >> Felvtalk mailing list > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >> > > >> __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ > > >> > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Felvtalk mailing list > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > >> felvtalk_felineleukem
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Almost forgot, they say that foods containing fish may be a contributor for sturivite stones. Maybe stay away from fishy things for a bit and see if that helps. Especially watch the treats, they are usually heavy on fish content. Edna Taylor wrote: > > What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the vet said > that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I tried feeding her > the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the vet said if she is eating > anything else (very hard to feed individually when you have more than 10 > cats) then it was not doing her any good to eat the prescription diet :( > > > > From: maima...@gmail.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > > > My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of > > bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked > > her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was > > finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. > > The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we > > got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the > > symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. > > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > > > > > > > SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very > > > painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. > > > > > > Edna > > > > > > > > >> From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > >> > > >> I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's > > >> related to > > >> FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing > > >> painful > > >> elimination. > > >> > > >> Good luck to you, > > >> Sara > > >> > > >> -Original Message- > > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin > > >> Potter > > >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > >> > > >> Greetings Everyone, > > >> > > >> We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our > > >> vet, and > > >> last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling > > >> noise, i > > >> thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was > > >> growling in the > > >> corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor > > >> instead of her > > >> litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and > > >> Mr. Hyde, > > >> she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've > > >> never > > >> seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was > > >> more so > > >> "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst > > >> days > > >> ever! > > >> > > >> Has anyone else had this happen? > > >> ___ > > >> Felvtalk mailing list > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > >> > > >> __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ > > >> > > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > > >> http://www.eset.com > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> ___ > > >> Felvtalk mailing list > > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > > Felvtalk mailing list > > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My vet gave Homey a antbiotic shot that lasts 2 weeks - easier than pills or liquids daily. I also got a Chinese herbal pill from All Natural Pets. It is a small, round gel cap. Goes down real easy, before she has a chance to spit it out. It has dendrobium in it and other herbs. She is in good shape now and I monitor her intake and output. The thing that tipped me off to a problem was small urine balls in the boxes about the size of a quarter. I started watching everyone to see what they were putting out. Easy since I have a box next to the stool in my bathroom. When mother goes, everyone else has to go so mom can see what is going on. MaiMaiPG wrote: > It has been 15 + years since she left this world (not related to the > stones). There were antibiotics and steriods I think. Somehow I > think there was meds to deal with the urine PH. Sorry I can't give > more information. Now I would check with a holistic vet as well as my > regular vets. > On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > > > > What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the > > vet said that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I > > tried feeding her the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the > > vet said if she is eating anything else (very hard to feed > > individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it was not doing > > her any good to eat the prescription diet :( > > > > > >> From: maima...@gmail.com > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >> > >> My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because > >> of > >> bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked > >> her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was > >> finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. > >> The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we > >> got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the > >> symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. > >> On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very > >>> painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. > >>> > >>> Edna > >>> > >>> > >>>> From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > >>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >>>> > >>>> I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's > >>>> related to > >>>> FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing > >>>> painful > >>>> elimination. > >>>> > >>>> Good luck to you, > >>>> Sara > >>>> > >>>> -Original Message- > >>>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >>>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin > >>>> Potter > >>>> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > >>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > >>>> > >>>> Greetings Everyone, > >>>> > >>>> We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our > >>>> vet, and > >>>> last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling > >>>> noise, i > >>>> thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was > >>>> growling in the > >>>> corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor > >>>> instead of her > >>>> litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and > >>>> Mr. Hyde, > >>>> she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've > >>>> never > >>>> seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was > >>>> more so > >>>> "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst > >>>> days > >>>> ever! > >>>> > >>>> Has anyone else had this happen? > >>>> ___ > >>>> Felvtalk mailing list > >>>> Felvtalk@f
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It has been 15 + years since she left this world (not related to the stones). There were antibiotics and steriods I think. Somehow I think there was meds to deal with the urine PH. Sorry I can't give more information. Now I would check with a holistic vet as well as my regular vets. On Jul 29, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the vet said that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I tried feeding her the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the vet said if she is eating anything else (very hard to feed individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it was not doing her any good to eat the prescription diet :( From: maima...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. Edna From: skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful elimination. Good luck to you, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question Greetings Everyone, We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever! Has anyone else had this happen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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What did your vet do for the stones. Bug has kidney stones and the vet said that there really is not a lot they can do for those. I tried feeding her the special food but she wouldn't eat it and the vet said if she is eating anything else (very hard to feed individually when you have more than 10 cats) then it was not doing her any good to eat the prescription diet :( > From: maima...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 16:42:56 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of > bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked > her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was > finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. > The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we > got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the > symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. > On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: > > > > > SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very > > painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. > > > > Edna > > > > > >> From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > >> > >> I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's > >> related to > >> FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing > >> painful > >> elimination. > >> > >> Good luck to you, > >> Sara > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin > >> Potter > >> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > >> > >> Greetings Everyone, > >> > >> We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our > >> vet, and > >> last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling > >> noise, i > >> thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was > >> growling in the > >> corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor > >> instead of her > >> litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and > >> Mr. Hyde, > >> she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've > >> never > >> seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was > >> more so > >> "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst > >> days > >> ever! > >> > >> Has anyone else had this happen? > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > >> > >> __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ > >> > >> This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Felvtalk mailing list > >> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ > >> felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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My very sweet little girl, Mi Tu, turned into a problem cat because of bladder stones. I took her to the vets several times. They checked her, did routine lab tests and everything they could think of. I was finally at the end of my rope and they had been doing their research. The vets drew urine from the bladder. The stones were there and we got her the treatment she needed. She was in a lot of pain but the symptoms presented were for a behavioral disorder. On Jul 29, 2011, at 12:25 PM, Edna Taylor wrote: SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. Edna From: skastel...@cicresearch.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful elimination. Good luck to you, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question Greetings Everyone, We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever! Has anyone else had this happen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/ felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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SOunds like either stones or a bad URI because those are very very painful and a trip to the vet ASAP is in order. Edna > From: skastel...@cicresearch.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:15:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question > > I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to > FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful > elimination. > > Good luck to you, > Sara > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question > > Greetings Everyone, > > We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and > last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i > thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the > corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her > litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, > she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never > seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so > "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days > ever! > > Has anyone else had this happen? > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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The poor cat may have been confused/scared, bullied or thought to have been bullied by another cat - is that possible? -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 12:55 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question Greetings Everyone, We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever! Has anyone else had this happen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'm no expert here, but this doesn't sound to me as though it's related to FeLV. My first inclination would be to look for something causing painful elimination. Good luck to you, Sara -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Joslin Potter Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 9:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question Greetings Everyone, We recently took in a kitten someone was going to put down from our vet, and last night I was awaken in the middle of the night by a howling noise, i thought it was our older cat but it was the kitten, she was growling in the corner and for some reason went to the bathroom on the floor instead of her litter box, is this common among FeLV cats? It was dr jeckle and Mr. Hyde, she was back to her loving self this morning? I'm so confused I've never seen an animal behave like that? When my older cat was dx he was more so "sick" we thought he swallowed a bone? talk about one of the worst days ever! Has anyone else had this happen? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org __ NOD32 6335 (20110729) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
Maureen, this is so comforting! I'm waiting until May 9th (it will be his second test since exposure but only within 2 mos - my vet wants me to wait 3 mos. before she thinks he is safe). I do understand that his chances of contracting it are a lot less than if he were a kitten. I'm so glad he is 2 yrs old. He so misses his companion and longs for another. Another companion would keep him more active. He loved to be chased up and down the stairs and he no longer gets that exercise (he won't let me chase him, imagine that!). I'm still a little worried but not so much like I was. Thanks for all the support from everyone and let's all still pray for Poppy :0) Have a great week! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Maureen Olvey" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2011 1:29 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I have been e-mailing with a vet friend and she says most researchers these days feel that adult cats are pretty well resistant to the disease, even if not vaccinated. I bet Sugar will be fine. I've just had 5 of my cats tested that are not vaccinated (think I already told you this) but lived with my FeLV + kitty for two years and those 5 are negative. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:22:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I always love to hear positive experiences with FeLV+ cats. I still hope that mine will continue to test negative. May 9th can't get here soon enough for me! - Original Message - From: "POTT, BEVERLY" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives >I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my > other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever > contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've > also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be > 4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it. > > My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too, > never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever > contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'. > > > -Original Message- > From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA > test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can > gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats > even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the > general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the > same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging > fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. > > But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really > living together, not separate. Right? > > What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me > cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & > spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were > nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. > > Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years > ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. > > Has it been improved? > > Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess > she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep > her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA > positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person > who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she > HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my > understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of > fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I > think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA > positive. > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > Pam > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/fe
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
I have been e-mailing with a vet friend and she says most researchers these days feel that adult cats are pretty well resistant to the disease, even if not vaccinated. I bet Sugar will be fine. I've just had 5 of my cats tested that are not vaccinated (think I already told you this) but lived with my FeLV + kitty for two years and those 5 are negative. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 09:22:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > I always love to hear positive experiences with FeLV+ cats. I still hope > that mine will continue to test negative. May 9th can't get here soon enough > for me! > - Original Message - > From: "POTT, BEVERLY" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:35 AM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > >I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my > > other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever > > contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've > > also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be > > 4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it. > > > > My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too, > > never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever > > contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'. > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > > I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA > > test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can > > gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats > > even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the > > general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the > > same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging > > fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. > > > > But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really > > living together, not separate. Right? > > > > What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me > > cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & > > spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were > > nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. > > > > Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years > > ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. > > > > Has it been improved? > > > > Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess > > she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep > > her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA > > positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person > > who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she > > HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my > > understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of > > fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I > > think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA > > positive. > > > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi, Pamgo to this link again, it explains the testing under "How is FeLV detected" - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Great link, thank you, Lynda! Pam On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
I always love to hear positive experiences with FeLV+ cats. I still hope that mine will continue to test negative. May 9th can't get here soon enough for me! - Original Message - From: "POTT, BEVERLY" To: Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be 4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it. My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too, never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'. -Original Message- From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
I had a cat with FELV that lived to be 17. I never separated him from my other cats, they ate out of the same bowls, etc., and none of them ever contracted the disease. The other ones were vaccinated against it. I've also had 2 other positives living with my negative cats (one lived to be 4, the other 8), and none of my other cats ever contracted it. My brother, too, had a positive cat that lived to be 17- and he, too, never separated his cats out. None of his other cats (vaccinated) ever contracted Feleuk. Just sayin'. -Original Message- From: Pam Norman [mailto:pam_nor...@charter.net] Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks Maureen. You made it sound so logical, thanks! I will add that my vet told me that Crash's ELISA test was a "faint" positive. I read that a faint positive means that he does have the virus, but it's not very active in his system. Knowing this, I'm sure hoping that he was not shedding the virus and be contagious to my other cat. Scientists have not determined when they actually shed the virus but it does make sense that once the virus reaches into the bloodstream, I would think they are shedding it. The other thing that puzzles me is that if it was not very active in his system, why was he so lethargic and at death's door? He was a very sick kitten & would have died in my house that day if I did not take him in to my vet. Thanks for your input Maureen! It was very helpful :0) Have a great weekend and please pray that my other kitty will be fine. Lynda - Original Message - From: "Maureen Olvey" To: Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Even though this wasn't directed at me I thought I'd give my input (my husband says I do this all the time - LOL). The only way I think this would be possible is if the virus is in transition. Like, it has just gotten into the body and it hasn't had time to do what ever it does to get into the blood stream. The ELISA test and an IFA test would be negative at this point. I'm not sure if the cat can pass it at this point though since it hasn't really gotten into the saliva or bloodstream. Not sure about that but it seems logical to me. Then the virus progresses and gets into the system/bloodstream or saliva and the ELISA test would be positive but the IFA test would be negative. I'm guessing at this point the cat could spread it. After this if the cat can't extinguish the virus or put it into latentcy then it gets into the white blood cells and the IFA test would eventually test positive. The cat could definitely pass it at this point. I did for sure read that if the virus if put into latentcy then it is carried in the bone marrow but not in the white blood cells or bloodstream or saliva so it can't pass the virus to other cats. That's my thoughts but I'm not a vet. I know that if it's in latency they can't spread it which I found very interesting. The cat wouldn't test positive at that point either, even on the IFA test. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Sharon, I have read that some cats can be carriers of FeLV and test negative, but can transmit it to other cats. This is a crazy disease that has so many "if's" that it's confusing. Have you heard of this as well? Lynda - Original Message - From: "Sharon Catalan" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > Hello Pam, > Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we > found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest > mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that > we > should test them again every 6 months. > > Sharon > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman > wrote: > >> Sharon, >> >> What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived >> together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily >> fluids & >> I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. >> >> Pam >> >> >> On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: >> >>> Hello Pam, >>> >>> My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat >>> was >>> just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years >>> ago >>> when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the >>> 2 >>> other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other >>> girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said >>> that >>> they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd >>> shot >>> of >>> FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for >>> them >>> to be together again as long as they don't bi
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Even though this wasn't directed at me I thought I'd give my input (my husband says I do this all the time - LOL). The only way I think this would be possible is if the virus is in transition. Like, it has just gotten into the body and it hasn't had time to do what ever it does to get into the blood stream. The ELISA test and an IFA test would be negative at this point. I'm not sure if the cat can pass it at this point though since it hasn't really gotten into the saliva or bloodstream. Not sure about that but it seems logical to me. Then the virus progresses and gets into the system/bloodstream or saliva and the ELISA test would be positive but the IFA test would be negative. I'm guessing at this point the cat could spread it. After this if the cat can't extinguish the virus or put it into latentcy then it gets into the white blood cells and the IFA test would eventually test positive. The cat could definitely pass it at this point. I did for sure read that if the virus if put into latentcy then it is carried in the bone marrow but not in the white blood cells or bloodstream or saliva so it can't pass the virus to other cats. That's my thoughts but I'm not a vet. I know that if it's in latency they can't spread it which I found very interesting. The cat wouldn't test positive at that point either, even on the IFA test. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 16:40:17 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > Sharon, > > I have read that some cats can be carriers of FeLV and test negative, but > can transmit it to other cats. This is a crazy disease that has so many > "if's" that it's confusing. Have you heard of this as well? > > Lynda > - Original Message - > From: "Sharon Catalan" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:07 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > > Hello Pam, > > Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we > > found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest > > mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that we > > should test them again every 6 months. > > > > Sharon > > > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman > > wrote: > > > >> Sharon, > >> > >> What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived > >> together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily > >> fluids & > >> I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. > >> > >> Pam > >> > >> > >> On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: > >> > >>> Hello Pam, > >>> > >>> My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat > >>> was > >>> just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years > >>> ago > >>> when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 > >>> other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other > >>> girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said > >>> that > >>> they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd > >>> shot > >>> of > >>> FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for > >>> them > >>> to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or > >>> share > >>> bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My > >>> cats > >>> never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will > >>> eat > >>> someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats > >>> never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite > >>> some > >>> time now. > >>> > >>> Sharon > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA > >>>> test > >>>> resul
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My pride doesn't like them. Maybe if I left them out and open, they would come to think of them as bags and boxes. I have boxes all over the house. When I get a new one, I cannot let it lay for 5 seconds. If I do, it becomes a bed or hiding place for them. Natalie wrote: > Our cats love carriers - when I try to take any cat to the vet, others jump > right in before I have a chance to place the cat into itThey love > carriers as much as they love boxes and paper bags(handles cut apart or > removed).! > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:47 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > On that note, Copper and Thomas go into their carriers when they want > to be alone or are pissed off. They even close (not latch) the > doors. They eat on a bench they started eating on as tiny kittens. > Carriers are wonderful if they are safe places. My boys traveled from > the day they came out of the pine thicket and, until they got grown, I > took them on rides and visited people with them. Carriers are sources > of adventure and fun. I have served the boys for almost 3 years and > they travel with me to Louisville, to various other places with no > troubleno fighting to get them in their carriers or searching for > them for hours. They have a dog carriage (big baby carriage with > screens and very big all-terrain wheels) to ride around > outsidethey love that too. The crate idea is wonderful. Same > principle as crate training a dog. Bob came crate trainedhe goes > there to rest from the cats, to eat or tell me it is meal time, when > he is wet etc. > > > On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Pam Norman wrote: > > > You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't > > believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit & help here. Most > > of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the > > kitchen & each cat knows which one is his & they go into them at > > meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who > > also eats in the bathroom & one who eats in my pc room, but the > > others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or > > sleep in them too since they have good connotations. > > > > Pam > > > > On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > >> How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have > >> enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each > >> one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs > >> so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t > >> make sure I get the best food. > >> > >> > >> Sharon Catalan wrote: > >>> Hello Pam, > >>> > >>> My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy- > >>> cat was > >>> just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 > >>> years ago > >>> when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had > >>> the 2 > >>> other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 > >>> other > >>> girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor > >>> said that > >>> they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their > >>> 2nd shot of > >>> FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be > >>> okay for them > >>> to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other > >>> or share > >>> bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely > >>> separate. My cats > >>> never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat > >>> will eat > >>> someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 > >>> others cats > >>> never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for > >>> quite some > >>> time now. > >>> > >>> Sharon > >>> > >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam > >>> Norman wrote: > >>> > >>>> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when > >>>> the IFA test > >>>> results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I
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My two boyz are about 5 yrs old now - no health problems at all (hope it stays that way). Natalie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 5:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I read that too about the 85% that will live a max of 3.5 years. Someone in my feline asthma group said her cat lived until she was 16. Can you believe that? She said the cat lived indoors since a kitten and hadn't mixed with other cats so she assumes that the cat got the disease as a kitten. I thought that was incredible. 11 years is outstanding also. How fortunate you are. Some cats just defy the odds I guess. "I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further." - Mark Twain > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:30:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > Belinda, > > What a relief to hear! I feel you are so lucky because I don't hear very > many stories as yours. I have read that 85% of kitties that test positive on > the IFA test, don't live past 3 1/2 yrs. I'm so glad that you were able to > enjoy Bailey as long as you did! What meds did you have him on? > > Lynda > - Original Message - > From: "Belinda Sauro" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > > My Bailey lived with his housemates from the time he was 5 months > > old (tested positive then) until he passed of cancer at age 11 years, they > > slept, ate, groomed and on occasion had little spats, none of his > > vaccinated housemates ever became positive. I had them tested > > intermittently and they were always negative. I lost Bailey in 2006 and > > his remaining housemates are still negative. > > > > -- > > Belinda > > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Our cats love carriers - when I try to take any cat to the vet, others jump right in before I have a chance to place the cat into itThey love carriers as much as they love boxes and paper bags(handles cut apart or removed).! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 7:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives On that note, Copper and Thomas go into their carriers when they want to be alone or are pissed off. They even close (not latch) the doors. They eat on a bench they started eating on as tiny kittens. Carriers are wonderful if they are safe places. My boys traveled from the day they came out of the pine thicket and, until they got grown, I took them on rides and visited people with them. Carriers are sources of adventure and fun. I have served the boys for almost 3 years and they travel with me to Louisville, to various other places with no troubleno fighting to get them in their carriers or searching for them for hours. They have a dog carriage (big baby carriage with screens and very big all-terrain wheels) to ride around outsidethey love that too. The crate idea is wonderful. Same principle as crate training a dog. Bob came crate trainedhe goes there to rest from the cats, to eat or tell me it is meal time, when he is wet etc. On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Pam Norman wrote: > You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't > believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit & help here. Most > of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the > kitchen & each cat knows which one is his & they go into them at > meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who > also eats in the bathroom & one who eats in my pc room, but the > others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or > sleep in them too since they have good connotations. > > Pam > > On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: >> How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have >> enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each >> one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs >> so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t >> make sure I get the best food. >> >> >> Sharon Catalan wrote: >>> Hello Pam, >>> >>> My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy- >>> cat was >>> just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 >>> years ago >>> when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had >>> the 2 >>> other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 >>> other >>> girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor >>> said that >>> they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their >>> 2nd shot of >>> FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be >>> okay for them >>> to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other >>> or share >>> bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely >>> separate. My cats >>> never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat >>> will eat >>> someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 >>> others cats >>> never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for >>> quite some >>> time now. >>> >>> Sharon >>> >>> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam >>> Norman wrote: >>> >>>> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when >>>> the IFA test >>>> results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can >>>> gather, the >>>> old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in >>>> the same >>>> house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general >>>> sense is that >>>> it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but >>>> should be >>>> separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with >>>> a bite, but >>>> more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that >>>> some of you >>>> have both positives& negatives really living together, not >>>> separate. Right? &
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Great link, thank you, Lynda! Pam On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Bailey was really very healthy until his last year, he started having teeth problems and we had to pull a lot of his teeth, then he was fine for about 6 months and then stopped eating and became very anemic and lethargic and had constant diarrhea. We did the bone marrow aspirate and they found pre cancer cells so we were pretty sure he was developing cancer somewhere but we couldn't find it. We did ultrasounds, bloodwork but nothing was conclusive. He had a feeding tube because he wouldn't eat anything and I could tell he was uncomfortable when he got fed, I asked my vet if he could possibly have pancreatitis but she said his bloodwork didn't bear that out. I wish I had done the pancreatitis test but I didn't and after he passed 6 months later we did a necropsy and he had pancreatic cancer. If I had done that test when I noticed his eating aversion I may have caught it before it turned into cancer ... He never got any special food or meds until he got sick, then I gave him things to try and boost his immune system, but Bailey didn't like getting meds so I did only the bare minimum because stress is the worst thing for positives and getting meds was stressful for him. With the feeding tube it was a lot easier and he got more stuff then. On 4/15/2011 1:30 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Belinda, What a relief to hear! I feel you are so lucky because I don't hear very many stories as yours. I have read that 85% of kitties that test positive on the IFA test, don't live past 3 1/2 yrs. I'm so glad that you were able to enjoy Bailey as long as you did! What meds did you have him on? -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I'd love to hear ideas on that one! LOL I have 6 sep dishes & feed in 2 sep rooms... but, the other one's dish always seems to be more attractive for some reason-LOL There are times that I look over & its as though one said, "everyone more one to the right" & they did! And then there's the dog who thinks I've put down 6 dishes of treats for him!!! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalan wrote: > Hello Pam, > > My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat > was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 > years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. > We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had > the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. > Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats > receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our > doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as > they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep > their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with > each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's > leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never > contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. > > Sharon > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: > > > I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the > > IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I > > can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative > > cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have > > read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives > > to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but > > more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you > > have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? > > > > What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me > > cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & > > spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were > > nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. > > > > Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some > > years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats > > vaccinated. Has it been improved? > > > > Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I > > guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want > > to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she > > tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. > > But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. > > And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is > > that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & > > putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should > > only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. > > > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > > > Pam > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o > > rg > > > > > > -- > Sharon F Catalan > Cell: (408) 398-5647 > Home: (408) 229-2298 > Carpe Diem! > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
On that note, Copper and Thomas go into their carriers when they want to be alone or are pissed off. They even close (not latch) the doors. They eat on a bench they started eating on as tiny kittens. Carriers are wonderful if they are safe places. My boys traveled from the day they came out of the pine thicket and, until they got grown, I took them on rides and visited people with them. Carriers are sources of adventure and fun. I have served the boys for almost 3 years and they travel with me to Louisville, to various other places with no troubleno fighting to get them in their carriers or searching for them for hours. They have a dog carriage (big baby carriage with screens and very big all-terrain wheels) to ride around outsidethey love that too. The crate idea is wonderful. Same principle as crate training a dog. Bob came crate trainedhe goes there to rest from the cats, to eat or tell me it is meal time, when he is wet etc. On Apr 15, 2011, at 6:34 PM, Pam Norman wrote: You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit & help here. Most of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the kitchen & each cat knows which one is his & they go into them at meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who also eats in the bathroom & one who eats in my pc room, but the others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or sleep in them too since they have good connotations. Pam On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy- cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives& negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom& let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses& spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off& putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sharon F Catalan Cell: (408) 398-5647 Home: (408) 229-2298 Carpe Diem!
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
You all have been so helpful on my questions about Poppy I can't believe it! Maybe I can return the favor a bit & help here. Most of my 10 cats eat in their crates. I have them stacked in the kitchen & each cat knows which one is his & they go into them at meal times. Otherwise I too would run out of rooms. I have one who also eats in the bathroom & one who eats in my pc room, but the others all eat in their crates in the kitchen. Sometimes they nap or sleep in them too since they have good connotations. Pam On 4/15/2011 5:12 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives& negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom& let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses& spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off& putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sharon F Catalan Cell: (408) 398-5647 Home: (408) 229-2298 Carpe Diem! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
First off, if she's neg on IFA I would go with that! Don't know why you wouldn't. Many of us mix pos/neg. I did that by accident when 1 of my cats tested pos 4 1/2 years after she tested neg on snap test. Never been outside so I assume she always had it. My other 3 cats were around her since kittenhood & nobody caught it even though they groomed, ate from same dishes, used same boxes, had the occasionally tussle, et. Got the 3 neg vacc & 5 years later, everybody's fine. My orig neg on the Elissa got me reading & apparently, just as you can get a false neg, you can also get a false pos. I'd go w. IFA which you should get within a day or so after blood is drawn. I'd put her in kitty condo & let her view the sights & sounds of indoor living! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Pam Norman Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:01 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
How do you keep feeding bowls seperate? I have 7 and don't have enough rooms to keep them out of each other's bowls. Besides, each one thinks that he other's food is diffeent and better than theirs so the first few minutes of feeding is spent trading bowls just t make sure I get the best food. Sharon Catalan wrote: > Hello Pam, > > My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was > just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago > when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 > other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other > girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that > they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of > FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them > to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share > bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats > never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat > someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats > never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some > time now. > > Sharon > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: > > > I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test > > results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the > > old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same > > house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that > > it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be > > separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but > > more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you > > have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? > > > > What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats > > visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would > > that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her > > condo? My feeling is that it would. > > > > Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago > > the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it > > been improved? > > > > Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she > > needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone > > until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause > > then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells > > me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. > > And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if > > she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in > > with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the > > positives if she tests IFA positive. > > > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > > > Pam > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > -- > Sharon F Catalan > Cell: (408) 398-5647 > Home: (408) 229-2298 > Carpe Diem! > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
I think that the individual cat's health has a lot to do with their getting it or not. The only precaution I took was to keep my kittens seperate from my positives and negatives until they had gotten their second shots. For good measure, the vet said to wait anoter 2 weeks. They were only 3 month when I got them. Now they are over 1 year and healthy as can be. Only the kittens mutual groom, but they are brother and sister. We have snarls, slaps and screams, but no one has ever bitten anyone .In fact, negatives and positives are all healthy. We do go outside for an hour or two, but most of that time is spent on the deck and lately, we have not had any strays around, just a mountain lion during deer season, but he moved on. He has a large territory so he only shows up around deer season. Then I keep every one in to protect them from the lion and the hunters. Lynda Wilson wrote: > One more note, Crash & my Ragdoll shared everything and groomed one another > constantly since day one. This is why I am so concerned, but I have to > remind myself that my cat is a healthy 2 yr old and Crash was an unhealthy > kitten. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Pam Norman" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > > Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you > > mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? > > > > On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > >> Pam, > >> > >> I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. > >> Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this > >> in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate > >> information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the > >> link: > >> http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F > >> > >> I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected > >> to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much > >> attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus > >> (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). > >> > >> Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, > >> then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On > >> March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He > >> was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. > >> He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have > >> a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just > >> thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk > >> because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is > >> strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again > >> on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active > >> and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was > >> contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This > >> disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not > >> 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than > >> not being protected at all. > >> > >> I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her > >> siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. > >> > >> Good luck! I hope this info helps!! > >> > >> Lynda > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > >> > >> > >>> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA > >>> test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can > >>> gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats > >>> even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the > >>> general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the > >>> same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging > >>> fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. > >>> But I know also that some
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
Sharon, I have read that some cats can be carriers of FeLV and test negative, but can transmit it to other cats. This is a crazy disease that has so many "if's" that it's confusing. Have you heard of this as well? Lynda - Original Message - From: "Sharon Catalan" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Hello Pam, Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that we should test them again every 6 months. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman wrote: Sharon, What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids & I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. Pam On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives& negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom& let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses& spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off& putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sharon F Catalan Cell: (408) 398-5647 Home: (408) 229-2298 Carpe Diem! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Thanks, Maureen. I will gladly keep everyone updated. I was fortunate to be a part of this "Felv Talk" to read and share one another's experiences. Certainly it's always nice to hear of stories of kitties living with it for many, many years and defy the odds. No feline deserves this disease (or any for that matter!). You're right, he does have a better chance of clearing the virus. I'm hoping he already has. I hate the waiting part. I've read that you can test 28 days from last exposure, some say 90 days and then every 6 mos (what do you agree with?). It would be nice to find more consistency on the internet but I know better than to expect it. My vet said to test him in June, but I could not wait 3 mos from last exposure. I opted to test him every 30 days, then after June is passed and he still tests negative, I will feel he is out of the woods. Let's hope that Poppy's outcome is feline negative as well. Thanks for your input, Maureen! I'm so glad to be part of this "chat." Lynda - Original Message - From: "Maureen Olvey" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I really hope your Ragdoll will be fine. Honestly, the odds are higer than he'll shake the virus or put it into latentcy. Please keep us posted as you get the final results in. If it turns out he is positive and there is no more doubt about it you could consider getting him a positive playmate. That would be a tough decision because then you could possibly have two cats you love that will not live a full life instead of just one. Course you could have two cats you love that both have FeLV and live forever. Hard to know and it would be hard for me to make that decision but I just wanted to mention it as an option if you 100% positively find out that your ragdoll is positive. Like I said, odds are higher that you won't even have to make that decision so I can't wait to hear good news about the ragdoll being negative. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain From: longhornf...@verizon.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:45:12 -0500 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives One more note, Crash & my Ragdoll shared everything and groomed one another constantly since day one. This is why I am so concerned, but I have to remind myself that my cat is a healthy 2 yr old and Crash was an unhealthy kitten. - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you > mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? > > On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: >> Pam, >> >> I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. >> Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this >> in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate >> information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the >> link: >> http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F >> >> I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats >> infected >> to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much >> attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus >> (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). >> >> Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, >> then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On >> March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. >> He >> was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. >> He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not >> have >> a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I >> just >> thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk >> because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is >> strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test >> again >> on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active >> and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash >> was >> contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat
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I really hope your Ragdoll will be fine. Honestly, the odds are higer than he'll shake the virus or put it into latentcy. Please keep us posted as you get the final results in. If it turns out he is positive and there is no more doubt about it you could consider getting him a positive playmate. That would be a tough decision because then you could possibly have two cats you love that will not live a full life instead of just one. Course you could have two cats you love that both have FeLV and live forever. Hard to know and it would be hard for me to make that decision but I just wanted to mention it as an option if you 100% positively find out that your ragdoll is positive. Like I said, odds are higher that you won't even have to make that decision so I can't wait to hear good news about the ragdoll being negative. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:45:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > One more note, Crash & my Ragdoll shared everything and groomed one another > constantly since day one. This is why I am so concerned, but I have to > remind myself that my cat is a healthy 2 yr old and Crash was an unhealthy > kitten. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Pam Norman" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > > Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you > > mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? > > > > On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: > >> Pam, > >> > >> I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. > >> Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this > >> in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate > >> information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the > >> link: > >> http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F > >> > >> I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected > >> to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much > >> attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus > >> (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). > >> > >> Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, > >> then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On > >> March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He > >> was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. > >> He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have > >> a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just > >> thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk > >> because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is > >> strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again > >> on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active > >> and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was > >> contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This > >> disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not > >> 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than > >> not being protected at all. > >> > >> I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her > >> siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. > >> > >> Good luck! I hope this info helps!! > >> > >> Lynda > >> > >> > >> > >> - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" > >> To: > >> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM > >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > >> > >> > >>> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA > >>> test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can > >>> gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive &
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Pam - I would search the archives on "mixing". I have always mixed my positives & negatives, on the advice of my vet. My negatives are vaccinated & they have never gotten it in 10 years. I do NOT separate in any way. They share everything - food, water, litter, grooming... Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org --- On Fri, 4/15/11, Pam Norman wrote: From: Pam Norman Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, April 15, 2011, 2:00 PM I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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I read that too about the 85% that will live a max of 3.5 years. Someone in my feline asthma group said her cat lived until she was 16. Can you believe that? She said the cat lived indoors since a kitten and hadn't mixed with other cats so she assumes that the cat got the disease as a kitten. I thought that was incredible. 11 years is outstanding also. How fortunate you are. Some cats just defy the odds I guess. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 15:30:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > Belinda, > > What a relief to hear! I feel you are so lucky because I don't hear very > many stories as yours. I have read that 85% of kitties that test positive on > the IFA test, don't live past 3 1/2 yrs. I'm so glad that you were able to > enjoy Bailey as long as you did! What meds did you have him on? > > Lynda > - Original Message - > From: "Belinda Sauro" > To: > Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:29 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > > > My Bailey lived with his housemates from the time he was 5 months > > old (tested positive then) until he passed of cancer at age 11 years, they > > slept, ate, groomed and on occasion had little spats, none of his > > vaccinated housemates ever became positive. I had them tested > > intermittently and they were always negative. I lost Bailey in 2006 and > > his remaining housemates are still negative. > > > > -- > > Belinda > > happiness is being owned by cats ... > > > > http://BelindaSauro.com > > http://HostDesign4U.com > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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One more note, Crash & my Ragdoll shared everything and groomed one another constantly since day one. This is why I am so concerned, but I have to remind myself that my cat is a healthy 2 yr old and Crash was an unhealthy kitten. - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _
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I agree with Maureen. The link I provided you with reiterates what she is saying. But I don't know who told you that a neg IFA test still means the cat has FeLV. The test has to be a positive for the cat to be persistently viremic. Like I said, there are so many possibilities with this disease as to how it affects a cat individually. It's all up to their immune system. Adult cats have a greater chance of clearing the virus than a kitten whos immune systems has not been established. Lynda - Original Message - From: "Maureen Olvey" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Pam, I haven't had a chance to check out this link so it may cover everything I say but I wanted to share what I've learned about FeLV just in case it didn't cover everything. I've read a lot of websites, books and talked with several vets about all this. My understanding is very rudimentary but here's what I've read: If a cat test positive on the IFA test then it has FeLV and is shedding the virus in the saliva and blood. This test looks for the virus in the white blood cells so once the virus has gotten that far it means the immune system wasn't able to extinguish the virus and almost 100 percent chance the cat will always be positive and shedding the virus and can infect other cats. No need to do any further testing. At this point, if the IFA test is negative it can mean a couple of different things. 1) It can mean the ELISA test done in the vet's office was just plain wrong. It's a sensitive test and can easily produce false positives. It should never be solely relied upon as a diagnosis for FeLV. 2) A negative IFA test could also mean that the cat really has gotten the virus, which means the ELISA test was correct, but the virus hasn't reached the white blood cells. If this is the case, the cat still has a chance for the immune system to either extinguish the virus or put it into latentcy. From what I've read about 40% of these cats will extinguish the virus or put it into latentcy. But since all cats don't extinguish the virus if this first IFA test shows negative, to be certain the IFA test should be repeated a few months later. If the cat has actually put the virus into latentcy it means the virus is in the bone marrow but isn't being shed so it is not infective to other cats. However, the virus can be brought out of latentcy even years later if the cat becomes ill or has some other major stressors. But many cats who do initially put the virus into latentcy will later on extinguish the virus so you just never know. The vet book I just read said that the only way to find out if a cat has the virus in the bone marrow, meaning it's dormant/latent, is to do a biopsy of the bone marrow. That means that there really may be lots of cats out there that have contracted FeLV but put it into latentcy and the owner never even knows. The books said only about 10% of exposed cats will put it into latentcy though. So most will either extinguish the virus or become carriers (persistently viremic). So I believe the woman who told you that a negative IFA test still means the cat has FeLV is wrong and myself I wouldn't put her in with positive cats until you know her true status. Or, at least get Poppy vaccinated before putting her in there with positive cats. It does take continued and prolonged exposure for a cat to get the FeLV virus into it's system. Cats who eat after each other only on rare occasions are not likely to spread the virus. My thoughts are that if Poppy is in a cat condo and occasionally hisses at another cat it's not likely that would be enough exposure for the negative cat to get it. Especially if the negative is a healthy adult cat. That's not a guarantee though so you have to decide for yourself about that one. The vaccination has become much more effective. Seems like I read somewhere that it was 90%. I have a friend who has had several FeLV positive cats living with negatives and even a couple FIV positive cats, for many years. She has way more cats than you. All the FeLV negative cats, including the FIV positive cats, get FeLV vaccinations every year and have never gotten FeLV. They all live together, share food and water bowls, etc. She's not the only one with these kinds of results with a house where positive and negatives hangout together. Can't think of anything else right now. It's very confusing though. I have more cats than you and in March a two year old died and we found out she had FeLV even though she tested negative as a kitten. I'm going through the process of re-testing all the other cats right now. I've only gotten 5 tested so far but all 5 have been negative, thank the Lord. Four out of those
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Belinda, What a relief to hear! I feel you are so lucky because I don't hear very many stories as yours. I have read that 85% of kitties that test positive on the IFA test, don't live past 3 1/2 yrs. I'm so glad that you were able to enjoy Bailey as long as you did! What meds did you have him on? Lynda - Original Message - From: "Belinda Sauro" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives My Bailey lived with his housemates from the time he was 5 months old (tested positive then) until he passed of cancer at age 11 years, they slept, ate, groomed and on occasion had little spats, none of his vaccinated housemates ever became positive. I had them tested intermittently and they were always negative. I lost Bailey in 2006 and his remaining housemates are still negative. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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He was actually negative. The Humane Society tested him for it prior to me having him neutered at 5 1/2 mos in Nov (they wanted to neuter him at 12 weeks and I would not allow it, so I had to foster him in order to have it done later). By March, he tests positive for Feline Leukemia. I know that he had a weakened immune system because he had coccidia along with his siblings when he was born. So I was very surprised. The HS said since Crash tested positive then they would have to test his siblings. Now all are 9 mos old (same as Crash was obviously) and all tested negative. So they must have cleared the virus but his system could not. I do hope you found my link helpful. It was helpful to me. This is a very mysterious disease. Some cats can be carriers and test negative but can still infect others. It's crazy! I hope they find a cure for it and soon!! - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she s
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
Sounds to me like yet another example of healthy cats being able to fight off the virus or put it into latentcy. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:07:42 -0700 > From: scata...@gmail.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > Hello Pam, > Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we > found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest > mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that we > should test them again every 6 months. > > Sharon > > On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman wrote: > > > Sharon, > > > > What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived > > together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids & > > I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. > > > > Pam > > > > > > On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: > > > >> Hello Pam, > >> > >> My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was > >> just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago > >> when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 > >> other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other > >> girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that > >> they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot > >> of > >> FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for > >> them > >> to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or > >> share > >> bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My > >> cats > >> never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat > >> someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats > >> never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some > >> time now. > >> > >> Sharon > >> > >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman > >> wrote: > >> > >> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA > >>> test > >>> results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can gather, > >>> the > >>> old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in the same > >>> house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is > >>> that > >>> it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but should be > >>> separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, > >>> but > >>> more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you > >>> have both positives& negatives really living together, not separate. > >>> Right? > >>> > >>> What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom& let me cats > >>> visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses& spits? > >>> Would > >>> that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her > >>> condo? My feeling is that it would. > >>> > >>> Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago > >>> the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has > >>> it > >>> been improved? > >>> > >>> Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess > >>> she > >>> needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her > >>> alone > >>> until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause > >>> then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it > >>> tells > >>> me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. > >>> Period. > >>> And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if > >>> she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off& putting her in > >>> wi
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
hout looking further.” – Mark Twain > From: longhornf...@verizon.net > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 13:59:38 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives > > Pam, > > I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here > is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case > she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think > it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: > http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F > > I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to > socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention > as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is > not permanently positive for leukemia). > > Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then > adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, > 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, > had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 > days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement > in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new > food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get > him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So > far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get > him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to > kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would > have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I > will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at > all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. > > I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her > siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. > > Good luck! I hope this info helps!! > > Lynda > > > > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hello Pam, Yes, they did share everything for 10 years up until a month ago when we found out that the other one is positive. That is actually the biggest mystery - the 2 other cats never got infected. The doctor did say that we should test them again every 6 months. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Pam Norman wrote: > Sharon, > > What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived > together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids & > I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. > > Pam > > > On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: > >> Hello Pam, >> >> My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was >> just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago >> when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 >> other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other >> girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that >> they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot >> of >> FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for >> them >> to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or >> share >> bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My >> cats >> never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat >> someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats >> never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some >> time now. >> >> Sharon >> >> On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman >> wrote: >> >> I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA >>> test >>> results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can gather, >>> the >>> old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in the same >>> house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is >>> that >>> it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but should be >>> separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, >>> but >>> more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you >>> have both positives& negatives really living together, not separate. >>> Right? >>> >>> What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom& let me cats >>> visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses& spits? >>> Would >>> that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her >>> condo? My feeling is that it would. >>> >>> Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago >>> the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has >>> it >>> been improved? >>> >>> Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess >>> she >>> needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her >>> alone >>> until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause >>> then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it >>> tells >>> me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. >>> Period. >>> And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if >>> she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off& putting her in >>> with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the >>> positives if she tests IFA positive. >>> >>> Can anyone help me sort this out? >>> >>> Pam >>> >>> ___ >>> Felvtalk mailing list >>> Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org >>> http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org >>> >>> >> >> ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Sharon F Catalan Cell: (408) 398-5647 Home: (408) 229-2298 Carpe Diem! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
My Bailey lived with his housemates from the time he was 5 months old (tested positive then) until he passed of cancer at age 11 years, they slept, ate, groomed and on occasion had little spats, none of his vaccinated housemates ever became positive. I had them tested intermittently and they were always negative. I lost Bailey in 2006 and his remaining housemates are still negative. -- Belinda happiness is being owned by cats ... http://BelindaSauro.com http://HostDesign4U.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Lynda, you wrote that Crash was FeLeuk negative last November. Did you mean positive? Or had he been positive prior to this? On 4/15/2011 1:59 PM, Lynda Wilson wrote: Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Sharon, What about grooming? I would assume that those cats, having lived together for 10 years, would mutually groom. That's sharing bodily fluids & I would think would be potentially harmful to the negative ones. Pam On 4/15/2011 1:28 PM, Sharon Catalan wrote: Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now& when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading& reading& from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive& negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives& negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives& negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom& let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses& spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off& putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
Pam, I've done a lot of research myself and I asked my vet many questions. Here is a link that was very helpful to me and I had my vet review this in case she had a difference of opinion. This is very accurate information. I think it will answer many of your questions. Here is the link: http://www.wikifaq.com/Feline_Leukemia_FAQ#Is_there_any_risk_in_getting_my_cats_vaccinated.3F I will say that it's not worth the risk getting your other cats infected to socialize Poppy. She will be fine confined, just give her as much attention as possible at least until she has been cleared of the virus (meaning she is not permanently positive for leukemia). Also, I am in the same boat as you. My kitten (Crash) that I fostered, then adopted turned out to be FeLV negative this past Nov. 2010. On March 10, 2011 he had to be put down because he was in very bad shape. He was anemic, had a hear murmur and his oxygen level was next to nothing. He was fine 2 days prior. I actually took him in because he did not have a bowel movement in 2 days (we were treating him for diarrhea) and I just thought his new food was working well. Now my Ragdoll cat is at risk because I did not get him vaccinated against leukemia because he is strictly and indoor cat. So far, he has been negative but will test again on May 9th. I so want to get him another companion. It keeps him active and it's such a joy to watch to kitties play. Had I known that Crash was contagious with leukemia, I would have never exposed my other cat. This disease is fatal, with no cure. But I will say that the vaccine is not 100% (but none of them are) effective at all times, but it's better than not being protected at all. I hope that Poppy's immune system clears the virus. You may also get her siblings tested again to be safe and the mother as well. Good luck! I hope this info helps!! Lynda - Original Message - From: "Pam Norman" To: Sent: Friday, April 15, 2011 1:00 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her condo? My feeling is that it would. Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it been improved? Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the positives if she tests IFA positive. Can anyone help me sort this out? Pam ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re positives & negatives
Hello Pam, My 3 cats have been living together for 10 years now until my boy-cat was just recently diagnosed with FeLV. He may have contracted it 2 years ago when he ran outside and got into a fight with another cat. We had the 2 other girl-cats tested and they're both negative. We had the 2 other girl-cats vaccinated and currently, they are separated. Doctor said that they can be together 30days after the 2 other cats receive their 2nd shot of FeLV vaccination. Also, according to our doctor, it should be okay for them to be together again as long as they don't bite/scratch each other or share bodily fluids. Just keep their feeding stuff completely separate. My cats never fight with each other although occasionally, the other cat will eat someone's leftover and I think that is the reason that the 2 others cats never contracted it considering that the other one had FeLV for quite some time now. Sharon On Fri, Apr 15, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Pam Norman wrote: > I am trying to determine what to do with Poppy both now & when the IFA test > results come in. I've been reading & reading & from what I can gather, the > old dictums about NEVER havinig positive & negative cats even in the same > house has been abandoned. From what I have read, the general sense is that > it's fine for positives & negatives to be in the same home, but should be > separate so there is no chance of exchanging fluids such as with a bite, but > more importantly with mutual grooming. But I know also that some of you > have both positives & negatives really living together, not separate. Right? > > What about if I put Poppy in her condo in the spare bedroom & let me cats > visit, so at least she SEES other cats. What is she hisses & spits? Would > that have a chance of infecting any of mine who were nosing around her > condo? My feeling is that it would. > > Also how effective is the vaccine these days? I know that some years ago > the figure was about 30% so I never had any of my cats vaccinated. Has it > been improved? > > Right now we are still waiting for the IFA test for Poppy. And I guess she > needs retesting on that in at least a month. I do NOT want to keep her alone > until then. We have a sanctuary for her if she tests IFA positive cause > then we know that she is really positive. But the person who runs it tells > me that regardless of how she tests on the IFA, she HAS leukemia. Period. > And would go in with the positive cats. But my understanding is that if > she is IFA negative, she has a chance of fighting it off & putting her in > with the positives is giving up. I think she should only go in with the > positives if she tests IFA positive. > > Can anyone help me sort this out? > > Pam > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > -- Sharon F Catalan Cell: (408) 398-5647 Home: (408) 229-2298 Carpe Diem! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
I am not sure how long the Vet Jet has been around, at least a couple of years. I am hoping that where we are now in NH I can find a clinic that uses it. My 14 year old neg still gets the FeLV vaccine even though she is highly unlikely to get FeLV from Maggie as it is still possible. I think it is great that you are thinking about taking in more FeLV babies. It is still very tough to find them homes and in most shelters and clinics they are still unfairly destroyed. Whatever you decide remember it's the quality of the years of their lives and not the quantity. Good luck, Tanya --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Maureen Olvey wrote: > From: Maureen Olvey > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:12 AM > > Hadn't heard about the "vet jet." I'll have to ask > about it. > > Because I didn't know the one cat had the virus until she > died a few weeks ago most of my cats have lived with her and > shared food bowls for at least a year and some were with her > for almost two years. One vet was kind of saying that > if they hadn't gotten the virus by now they probably > wouldn't get it so there wouldn't be a need to vaccinate any > of my others. I don't know if he's right or not about > not vaccinating the negatives. I've just been tossing > that idea around. But then someone was asking me about > these FeLV + kittens and it got me to thinking about whether > I should vaccinate if a new member was added. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces > results that are profitable to the human race or > doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting > animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking > further.” – Mark Twain > > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:49:28 -0700 > > From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus > itself > > > > I think that they are immune for life if they get and > extinguish the virus. I do not believe that it is a mutating > virus of any sort, at least not so far. The problem is you > have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this unless > it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some > natural immunity with age, it is possible to live together > for years and not contract it even with repeated exposures. > If you are concerned about vaccine related sarcomas there > are FeLv vaccines that are given by the "vet jet" that is > considered much safer, that is what we were using at the > last vet hospital I worked at. > > > > Good luck, > > Tanya > > --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey > wrote: > > > > > From: Maureen Olvey > > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus > itself > > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > > Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM > > > > > > I've got a question about the FeLV virus > itself. Is > > > it all the same virus or does it mutate and > change like the > > > herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm > wondering is > > > that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to > the virus > > > but extinguished it, is he immune for life? > Seems like > > > I read that. So if I brought in another > FeLV + kitty > > > and my resident cat has already gotten some > immunity from > > > the virus he had been exposed to in the past, > does that mean > > > being exposed to the virus through another cat > would be the > > > same as the virus that he was first exposed to so > his > > > immunity would work against that virus? > Does that make > > > sense? I'm wondering if I brought in > another FeLV + > > > cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has > already been > > > exposed and extinguished the virus. > > > > > > Anyone have a clue? I guess the main > question is if > > > the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always > the same > > > virus and doesn't change. > > > > > > “I am not interested to know whether > vivisection produces > > > results that are profitable to the human race or > > > doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting > > > animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and > it is to me > > > sufficient justification of the enmity without > looking > > > further.” – Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > &g
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
Figures the virus would mutate. My husband and I were talking and thinking that the vaccine probably helps the cat develop antibodies to one general form of the virus so even if a different form or mutation of the virus is introduced into the system the antibodies created from the "general form" of the virus would be strong enough to combat the mutated form as well. Make sense? So in theory it would work if the cat got the virus and extinguished it the same way as if the cat were vaccinated. However, I think all you guys might be right. Just vaccinate the negatives before introducing another positive just to be safe. To assume that my cats that test negative now have contacted the virus and extinguished it (just because they lived with the FeLV + kitty for two years) might be taking a big risk. Even though the cats were together two years maybe for some reason they never got enough of the virus into their system for their bodies immune system to have to respond. So then they really don't have immunity in their system. I guess it's not worth taking the risk. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 14:00:31 -0700 > From: cline...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself > > Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question. I do > know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV. Personally I wouldn't take the > chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house. I have > mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their > vaccine. > > Sharyl > > --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive wrote: > > > From: Maureen Olvey > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM > > > > I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or > does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm > wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but > extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I > brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some > immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean > being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus > that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? > Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would > I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the > virus. > > Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from > cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are > profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon > unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
Hadn't heard about the "vet jet." I'll have to ask about it. Because I didn't know the one cat had the virus until she died a few weeks ago most of my cats have lived with her and shared food bowls for at least a year and some were with her for almost two years. One vet was kind of saying that if they hadn't gotten the virus by now they probably wouldn't get it so there wouldn't be a need to vaccinate any of my others. I don't know if he's right or not about not vaccinating the negatives. I've just been tossing that idea around. But then someone was asking me about these FeLV + kittens and it got me to thinking about whether I should vaccinate if a new member was added. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain > Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 13:49:28 -0700 > From: sashacatgodd...@yahoo.com > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself > > I think that they are immune for life if they get and extinguish the virus. I > do not believe that it is a mutating virus of any sort, at least not so far. > The problem is you have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this > unless it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some natural > immunity with age, it is possible to live together for years and not contract > it even with repeated exposures. If you are concerned about vaccine related > sarcomas there are FeLv vaccines that are given by the "vet jet" that is > considered much safer, that is what we were using at the last vet hospital I > worked at. > > Good luck, > Tanya > --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey wrote: > > > From: Maureen Olvey > > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself > > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM > > > > I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is > > it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the > > herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is > > that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus > > but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like > > I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty > > and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from > > the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean > > being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the > > same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his > > immunity would work against that virus? Does that make > > sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + > > cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been > > exposed and extinguished the virus. > > > > Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if > > the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same > > virus and doesn't change. > > > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces > > results that are profitable to the human race or > > doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting > > animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking > > further.” – Mark Twain > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Felvtalk mailing list > > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
My vet says I sould keep my negatives up to date on their felv vaccinations. It has been over 2 years now since I got my first felv pos baby and all are well, especially the felv pos ones. They are the sleekest, most energetic ones in the bunch. Annie especially has the shiniest fur and the vet marvels at her and Nitnoy. Nit is especially lucky as she had a run in with a raccoon and lost most of her tail. Even with that trauma, she is doing well. Sharyl wrote: > Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question. I do > know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV. Personally I wouldn't take the > chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house. I have > mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their > vaccine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive wrote: From: Maureen Olvey Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the virus. Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
Maureen, I don't have links to the science to answer your question. I do know there are at least 3 versions of FeLV. Personally I wouldn't take the chance of mixing without 1st vaccinating any negatives in the house. I have mixed negatives and positives but my negatives were always current on their vaccine. Sharyl --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olive wrote: From: Maureen Olvey Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his immunity would work against that virus? Does that make sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been exposed and extinguished the virus. Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same virus and doesn't change. “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further.” – Mark Twain ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself
I think that they are immune for life if they get and extinguish the virus. I do not believe that it is a mutating virus of any sort, at least not so far. The problem is you have no way of knowing for sure that you cat did this unless it was positive and is now negative. Cats develop some natural immunity with age, it is possible to live together for years and not contract it even with repeated exposures. If you are concerned about vaccine related sarcomas there are FeLv vaccines that are given by the "vet jet" that is considered much safer, that is what we were using at the last vet hospital I worked at. Good luck, Tanya --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Maureen Olvey wrote: > From: Maureen Olvey > Subject: [Felvtalk] Question about the virus itself > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 12:30 PM > > I've got a question about the FeLV virus itself. Is > it all the same virus or does it mutate and change like the > herpes virus that causes URI? What I'm wondering is > that if I've got a cat that has been exposed to the virus > but extinguished it, is he immune for life? Seems like > I read that. So if I brought in another FeLV + kitty > and my resident cat has already gotten some immunity from > the virus he had been exposed to in the past, does that mean > being exposed to the virus through another cat would be the > same as the virus that he was first exposed to so his > immunity would work against that virus? Does that make > sense? I'm wondering if I brought in another FeLV + > cat would I need to vaccinate my cat that has already been > exposed and extinguished the virus. > > Anyone have a clue? I guess the main question is if > the virus mutates from cat to cat or is it always the same > virus and doesn't change. > > “I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces > results that are profitable to the human race or > doesn’t….the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting > animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me > sufficient justification of the enmity without looking > further.” – Mark Twain > > > > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Yes, I've heard that onions and garlic are not good for the cat. Yeast has been advised to reduce fleas. Guess the fleas don't like the vit. B or smell of the yeast. I've never had a cat try to eat onions/garlic, but I've had them try to eat the yeast. And the popcorn, which I doubt is good for them. ~B. - Original Message - From: "MaiMaiPG" To: Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 11:06 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Don't know about garlic but onions can cause an irreversible anemia in cats and dogs. On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:04 PM, > wrote: I had always been told that yeast along with garlic and onions were not good for cats. Natalie wrote: www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices Brewer's Yeast tablets: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tablets&doSearch =true&ntt=&n=0&ntk=Level1&x=44&y=12 Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and flavoring! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have "movie night" we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: "MaiMaiPG" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: "Natalie" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes ____ From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call "the cocktail"works wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which
Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle
Don't know about garlic but onions can cause an irreversible anemia in cats and dogs. On Mar 25, 2011, at 10:04 PM, > wrote: I had always been told that yeast along with garlic and onions were not good for cats. Natalie wrote: www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices Brewer's Yeast tablets: http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tablets&doSearch =true&ntt=&n=0&ntk=Level1&x=44&y=12 Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and flavoring! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle MMPG I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as well. When we have "movie night" we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. ~Bonnie - Original Message - From: "MaiMaiPG" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie What kind of yeast tablets do you get? My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put brewer's yeast on our popcorn. Thanks. ~Bonnie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Natalie" To: Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and build up so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get some acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are also some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they do, however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, are there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! Jannes ________ From: Natalie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call "the cocktail"works wonders! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? Jannes ________ From: MaiMaiPG To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle There are blood tests that can be run tooexpensive though. I took Dixie Louise Doodle Katt to be spayed. She had no scar. Apparently scars are becoming harder to see with self-absorbing stitches etc. I was convinced that she had been spayed.not sure why but an angel sat on my shoulder and yelled in my ear. My wonderful vets ran the blood test even though they were very sure I was wasting my money. A couple of weeks later, one called with the results. Either Dixie had been spayed or she was a male. My little darling was all girl. Dixie was apparently a throw-away who came into my life by was of the same pine thicket that brought most of the cats in my life. She was FeLV+ which led me to this wonderful group. All of this is to say, follow your instincts and knowledge of cats before you have her spayed. FYI: I like colostrum (health food stores or the local farm store--cheaper) for those I know are going to have any surgery and try to give it for a good while before. Most of the cats in my life are feral and they have their own thoughts about what they will and will not consume. Arnica helps healing...I u
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I had always been told that yeast along with garlic and onions were not good for cats. Natalie wrote: > www.swansonvitamins.com - great source for great prices > Brewer's Yeast tablets: > http://www.swansonvitamins.com/Search?keyword=Brewers+Yeast+tablets&doSearch > =true&ntt=&n=0&ntk=Level1&x=44&y=12 > Nutritional yeast flakes are very nutritious - great in cooking and > flavoring! > > -Original Message- > From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 9:30 PM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > > MMPG > I used to sprinkle brewer's yeast onto the dog and cat food years ago. I > think it helped with fleas. But lately (new cats) it isn't accepted as > well. > When we have "movie night" we make popcorn, put an olive oil/butter combo on > > it (trying to reduce the butterfat) then put the brewer's yeast on. Very > tasty. This is for us humans, mind you. The cats always try to lick out > the bowls, which I discourage because of the fat content. So, if we can > find out who makes the tablet form, it might work better. > ~Bonnie > - Original Message - > From: "MaiMaiPG" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 3:14 PM > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > > > > Please: More information on Brewer's yeast on popcorn. This is a new > > one...type and amount? Brewer's yeast worked wonders for Mai Mai and > > Allie's (dogs) coats and I know it would be great for Copper and Thomas > > Cougar and Bob the Dog. Just figuring out how to present it is the > > issue. I think it would be great for the ferals too. > > On Mar 24, 2011, at 4:58 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: > > > >> Natalie > >> What kind of yeast tablets do you get? > >> My cats always try to lick the popcorn bowl when we're done...we put > >> brewer's yeast on our popcorn. > >> Thanks. > >> ~Bonnie > >> - Original Message - From: "Natalie" > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 2:48 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > >> > >> > >>> Yes, get some vitamin C crystals, and start with a small amount and > >>> build up > >>> so Amber doesn't get diarrhea. Does she like yogurt? If not, also get > > >>> some > >>> acidophilus/probiotic capsules, and mix powder into food. There are > >>> also > >>> some chewable vitamins for cats (ours aren't too keen on them) - they > >>> do, > >>> however, love to chew on yeast tablets as treats! > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 5:28 PM > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > >>> > >>> I will ask about that when I take her back to the vet. In the meantime, > > >>> are > >>> > >>> there any supplements you recommend that I can purchase? Thanks! > >>> Jannes > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Natalie > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 4:22:22 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > >>> > >>> Vitamin C, B12 - my vet gives injections that we call "the > >>> cocktail"works wonders! > >>> > >>> -Original Message- > >>> From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org > >>> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor > >>> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 4:37 PM > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > >>> > >>> What vitamin supplement do you guys recommend? > >>> Jannes > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> From: MaiMaiPG > >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > >>> Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:56:44 PM > >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Question re heat cycle > >>&g
