[Felvtalk] Re Update on Charlotte

[Lorrie]

Hi Laura,

Thanks for the update on Charlotte. I'm so glad she is doing better
now after her tranfusion, but egads what a vet bill!!!

Your mom sounds like mine (God rest her soul).  She was always
upset about the money I spent on my cats, and she always suggested 
I put them to sleep.  

Lorrie

On 04-19, Laura Mostello wrote:
> 
> I brought Charlotte back to the vet yesterday. She still wasn't
> doing well, just nibbling at her food and appearing very lethargic.
> Since I wasn't especially happy with my vet's response to her, I
> tried another clinic that I'd heard good things about, just to get
> a second opinion. Dr. Ray took more blood and told me that
> Charlotte was indeed very anemic - her PCV was 9% versus about 40%
> for a healthy young adult cat. So I was a little ticked off that my
> regular vet didn't tell me just how anemic she was, and a week had
> gone by when something else could have been done. The vet was
> concerned about tumors but X-rays showed nothing. He recommended
> that a blood transfusion be done immediately, so he packed up his
> 22 pound donor cat and I brought both cats to North Fulton
> emergency center since they were just down the road & Dr Ray's
> office was closing for the day. I picked Charlotte up at 11:30 last
> night (lots of coffee was needed since it was an hour and a half
> drive) and she was so hungry! She started chowing down right away.
> She now has doxycycline and Prednisilone twice a day. Now we just
> have to wait for the rest of the test results to come back. I'll
> keep you all updated. Thank goodness for Visait was almost $900
> yesterday. My mom asked me, "Why didn't you just put her down?" but
> I couldn't. She doesn't want to die. She's purring and rolling over
> to be petted and even yesterday when she didn't feel good she was
> going up to everybody and looking for attention. Laura
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Re: [Felvtalk] Re Update on Tommy

[catatonya]

No.  They are retested everytime they get sick and are always negative.  My 
cats are just old.  One has crf, the other hyperthyroid, and the other herpes.  
They have all tested negative to rule that out.  I've had many cats come and go 
(from things other than felv).  I've never had one get felv from one of my 
positives.  I guess I'm going on toward 15 years by now.
  tonya

Lorrie  wrote:
  Hi Tonya, Do you think your negatives could have turned positive? I
worry all the time about my 9 month old kitten who was negative when
I brought him home, because he was exposed to his litter mates and 4
of them have already died from FelV. So far he is doing well, but I
still worry. What is wrong with your three?

Lorrie

On 01-11, catatonya wrote:
> 
> I'm dealing with 3 cats that are very ill, and they are all my
> negatives. (Knock on wood.) My positive is fat and sassy and
> doing fine. She's especially enjoying all the treats I've been
> using trying to get my 3 sick ones to eat and take med.s. lol.
> tonya
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[Felvtalk] Re Update on Tommy

[Lorrie]

Hi Tonya, Do you think your negatives could have turned positive? I
worry all the time about my 9 month old kitten who was negative when
I brought him home, because he was exposed to his litter mates and 4
of them have already died from FelV. So far he is doing well, but I
still worry.  What is wrong with your three?

Lorrie

On 01-11, catatonya wrote:
>
>   I'm dealing with 3 cats that are very ill, and they are all my
>   negatives. (Knock on wood.) My positive is fat and sassy and
>   doing fine.  She's especially enjoying all the treats I've been
>   using trying to get my 3 sick ones to eat and take med.s. lol.
>   tonya
> 

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Re: Update on Hobbs

[Sharyl]

Heather, be sure they check his blood pressure when she takes him in.
  I would ask for the fPLI test for pancreatitis.  An acute pancreatitis attack 
will really knock a cat out is is often missed by vets.  Can't remember if I 
gave you the link to the Yahoo Pancreatitis group.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline_pancreatitis_support/
  The list owners are great and have lots of experience with liver issues.  You 
really need to get copies of his test results.
   
  There is a Yahoo Assist Feeding group that may help Jann.
  http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline-Assisted-Feeding/
  Hugs to Hobbs
  Sharyl Sissy and Rocket
  

Heather Wienker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Everyone-
   
  Hobbs' caregiver, Jann, also preferred him to be at home and did have them 
show her how to do meds and feels ok doing it and has already startedthe 
feedings are kind of tough, and he's on many meds (Densyl, Baytril, Amox., 
Argenine, Cartinine, Cypro. appetite stimulant, and I think one other 
thing).The current latest worries are that she says his eyes are 
dilated and glassy, we called the vet and she said to bring him in.   She also 
says that he seems weaker in terms of stopping after just a few steps...and he 
does cry when she picks him up.
   
  When they initially did the BW, it was partially to check for Hemobartonella 
or anemia, but he didn't have either of those, though I do need to get a copy 
of the blood work.   The vet simply indicated it's his liver and he appears to 
have an infection.   When I asked about the Baytril and Amoxicillin, she said 
it was in case there is an infection in the liver and also part of their "liver 
cocktail", if I understood correctly.   I have a friend who has some Imulan 
coming in, she's using it on an FIV+ of hers (and says it has helped him 
greatly, but is not a quick-fix kind of thing)Hobbs' has so much already 
going in him, I'm wondering if it's smarter to consider this if he improves & 
strengthens.   My vet is not familiar with Imulan and I'm not yet sure if 
she'll administer it.
   
  Jann says Hobbs is so braveof course seeing him struggling is breaking 
her heart.   I really appreciate all of your thoughts, prayers and advice.   
Any input is welcome!!!
   
  Heather


   
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RE: Update on Hobbs

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Here are big "hang in there" vibes to Hobbs and his human, and some hugs
and skritches thrown in too!  I know we're all rooting for him.
 
Thanks for the update, Heather.
 
Diane R.



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Wienker
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Hobbs


Hi Everyone-
 
Hobbs' caregiver, Jann, also preferred him to be at home and did have
them show her how to do meds and feels ok doing it and has already
startedthe feedings are kind of tough, and he's on many meds
(Densyl, Baytril, Amox., Argenine, Cartinine, Cypro. appetite stimulant,
and I think one other thing).The current latest worries are that
she says his eyes are dilated and glassy, we called the vet and she said
to bring him in.   She also says that he seems weaker in terms of
stopping after just a few steps...and he does cry when she picks him up.
 
When they initially did the BW, it was partially to check for
Hemobartonella or anemia, but he didn't have either of those, though I
do need to get a copy of the blood work.   The vet simply indicated it's
his liver and he appears to have an infection.   When I asked about the
Baytril and Amoxicillin, she said it was in case there is an infection
in the liver and also part of their "liver cocktail", if I understood
correctly.   I have a friend who has some Imulan coming in, she's using
it on an FIV+ of hers (and says it has helped him greatly, but is not a
quick-fix kind of thing)Hobbs' has so much already going in him, I'm
wondering if it's smarter to consider this if he improves & strengthens.
My vet is not familiar with Imulan and I'm not yet sure if she'll
administer it.
 
Jann says Hobbs is so braveof course seeing him struggling is
breaking her heart.   I really appreciate all of your thoughts, prayers
and advice.   Any input is welcome!!!
 
Heather

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Re: Update on New Positive

[Sue Koren]

Wow!  What great news!  Congratulations!  Buzz is goint to be re-tested on 
April 24th and I have a bottle of Champagne in the fridge in hopes of a 
negative test.
Sue
 Kenzie Kanne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
This is how our household situation is-  I began bottle feeding kittens in May- 
they were found in a burn barrell.  In July, new to my kitty care, I took in a 
kitten they thought needed feeding but turned out he was very sick and near 
death when I got him.  Worm infested and dehydrated and cold to the touch, I 
took him to the vet who thought I was crazy because he was so near death but we 
wormed him and gave him fluids-  The next day was a huge turn around and the 
weeks and months that followed even more so.  We did go through a bout of 
ringworm but the girls never got it just him.  In August, they got their vet 
work done before working on new homes for them and all three came back FELV 
positive.  
 
I was devastated but ignored the advice of euthanasia and kept them for myself. 
 We ordered Mega C Plus and another supplement and began that.  They had a life 
and were healthy and happy!  In late September Frankie, the male, had another 
bout w/ vomiting and weight loss, the girls never had it.  We separated him and 
went through weeks of antibiotic and he eventually began eating and turn around 
and rejoined the house.  He didn't play as often, just sat quietly but he was 
eating drinking and using the litter box.  NO fevers or any other signs of 
illness except his quietness.  
 
In October, things gradually went down hill for Frankie and we put him down in 
November.  I truely believe Frankie was the carrier giving the girls the 
exposure. The girls were still happy and healthy.  I volunteer for rescue and 
as in the previous emails, my spare room has been used for extras w/out homes.  
As you know, we had that light positive and the mom and brother weren't and 
they have been separate from my girls.  
 
Yesterday, we retested the rescue, Jill, and my girls Maggie and MitzyTHEY 
ARE ALL NEGATIVE!!   The vet asked lots of questions because they are 
unfamiliar w/ FELV and don't usually actively treat it.  We are so happy for 
this.  Jill gets to go to her new home and my girls get to celebrate their 
first birthday in May.  We are aware that this result can turn around under 
times of stress and age but for now we are celebrating!Kenzie KanneARC 
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RE: Update on New Positive

[MacKenzie, Kerry N.]

Congratulation Kenzie. I can well imagine your jubilance! (I had the
same turnaround with my Mickey)
It's great to hear good news.
And hopefully another vet is duly enlightened and will spread the word.
Kerry M



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:29 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on New Positive


This is how our household situation is-  I began bottle feeding kittens
in May- they were found in a burn barrell.  In July, new to my kitty
care, I took in a kitten they thought needed feeding but turned out he
was very sick and near death when I got him.  Worm infested and
dehydrated and cold to the touch, I took him to the vet who thought I
was crazy because he was so near death but we wormed him and gave him
fluids-  The next day was a huge turn around and the weeks and months
that followed even more so.  We did go through a bout of ringworm but
the girls never got it just him.  In August, they got their vet work
done before working on new homes for them and all three came back FELV
positive.  
 
I was devastated but ignored the advice of euthanasia and kept them for
myself.  We ordered Mega C Plus and another supplement and began that.
They had a life and were healthy and happy!  In late September Frankie,
the male, had another bout w/ vomiting and weight loss, the girls never
had it.  We separated him and went through weeks of antibiotic and he
eventually began eating and turn around and rejoined the house.  He
didn't play as often, just sat quietly but he was eating drinking and
using the litter box.  NO fevers or any other signs of illness except
his quietness.  
 
In October, things gradually went down hill for Frankie and we put him
down in November.  I truely believe Frankie was the carrier giving the
girls the exposure. The girls were still happy and healthy.  I volunteer
for rescue and as in the previous emails, my spare room has been used
for extras w/out homes.  As you know, we had that light positive and the
mom and brother weren't and they have been separate from my girls.  
 
Yesterday, we retested the rescue, Jill, and my girls Maggie and
MitzyTHEY ARE ALL NEGATIVE!!   The vet asked lots of questions
because they are unfamiliar w/ FELV and don't usually actively treat it.
We are so happy for this.  Jill gets to go to her new home and my girls
get to celebrate their first birthday in May.  We are aware that this
result can turn around under times of stress and age but for now we are
celebrating!

Kenzie Kanne  
ARC Volunteer   
(712)830-9518  
www.myspace.com/animalrescueofcarroll
animalrescueofcarroll.org
  
 
 








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Re: update: Athena

[MaryChristine]

to the best of my knowledge, there are NO documented cases of a TRUE
negative (ie, tested more than once, having enough time for known exposure
to be ruled out) cat who was vaccinated having ever turned positive from
living with a TRUE positive (see above.)

yes, there are cases where cats who tested negative ONCE have turned up
positive later on, even tho vaccinated, after they'd lived with a positive:
but in every case, it was before any of us (including vets) realized that it
can take 120 days for exposure to show up in a test. so a negative test
means no more, in reality, than a positive test does, unless we know for
SURE with whom any cat has been hanging out--which, in rescue, we rarely do.


70% of adult healthy cats can be exposed and not become persistently
infected; the vaccine is 95% effective--and, based on anecdotal evidence
from owners who did NOT vaccinate their negatives yet mixed their cats, we
aren't even sure if the efficacy rate is for ALL cats, or just for high-risk
cats: the chances are very very low that a vaccinated, truly negative cat is
going to catch anything from a positive.

plus, please remember that an asymptomatic FeLV is just that: asymptomatic.
until and if the virus is activated, they are just like normal (?) cats:
they are no more or less susceptible to illness than any other cat, and they
come with no better or worse warranties than any other. they'll get uris,
they'll get utis, they'll get herpes infections, they'll get gingivitis,
etc--their FeLV status doesn't necessarily make them any more vulnerable,
while the virus is inactive. more vigilance is called for, but  these are
NOT persistently frail, delicate little blossoms that need to be protected
from the world we're talking about here (as most of us can attest to)

i'm absolutely ecstatic to read threads where so many vets are saying, "hey,
we can handle a FeLV, no problem!" just talked to someone locally who needs
to place two, and she found three local vets--what an incredible change that
is!

we all make the best decision for our own lives--but hopefully, we can do so
with adequare and accurate information.

MC


On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 10:29 PM, Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  I'd take a healthy FeLV neutered male in a heart beat.
>
> Lynne
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* catatonya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: update: Athena
>
> Keep us updated.  You would be doing a very good deed!  Not many people
> will take positives.
>
> tonya
>
> *Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> Hi everyone -
> We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+
> neutered male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do
> you think that is 'o ld enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have
> to make a decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a
> kitten (last May ) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said
> he would be a year in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had
> any health problems at all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I
> don't think that he's been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request
> him to be re-tested before we take him in?
> I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as
> he's healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a
> trip to Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him
> out.
>
> Anyways...
> hope you all have a good evening.
>
>
>  Beth
>
>
>


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Re: update: Athena

[Lynne]

I'd take a healthy FeLV neutered male in a heart beat.  

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 8:26 PM
  Subject: Re: update: Athena


  Keep us updated.  You would be doing a very good deed!  Not many people will 
take positives.

  tonya

  Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi everyone - 
We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+ 
neutered male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do you 
think that is 'o ld enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to make 
a decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten (last 
May ) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he would be a 
year in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any health problems 
at all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I don't think that he's 
been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request him to be re-tested 
before we take him in? 
I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as 
he's healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a trip 
to Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him out.

Anyways...
hope you all have a good evening.


 Beth

Re: update: Athena

[catatonya]

Keep us updated.  You would be doing a very good deed!  Not many people will 
take positives.
   
  tonya

Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi everyone - 
We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+ neutered 
male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do you think 
that is 'old enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to make a 
decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten (last May 
) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he would be a year 
in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any health problems at 
all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I don't think that he's 
been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request him to be re-tested 
before we take him in? 
I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as he's 
healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a trip to 
Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him out.

Anyways...
hope you all have a good evening.


 Beth

Re: update: Athena

[wendy]

i think adopting the other kitty would be neat since they are both around the 
same age.  they will probably give you a lot of laughs playing!

:)
wendy

 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, March 6, 2008 8:47:56 AM
Subject: Re: update: Athena

to clarify that:  She was probably BORN early August or late July.
sorry.

Beth


On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Wendy 
Our positive is around 8 months old.  We aren't sure of her exact age  - she 
was probably early August/late July.\

Beth



On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:33 AM, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hey Beth,
 
How old is your existing FeLV+?
 
Thanks,
Wendy

 
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- Original Message 
From: Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org

Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:26:15 PM
Subject: Re: update: Athena


Hi everyone - 
We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+ neutered 
male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do you think 
that is 'old enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to make a 
decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten (last May 
) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he would be a year 
in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any health problems at 
all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I don't think that he's 
been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request him to be re-tested 
before we take him in? 
I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as he's 
healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a trip to 
Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him out.

Anyways...
hope you all have a good evening.


 Beth







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Re: update: Athena

[Beth Gouldin]

to clarify that:  She was probably BORN early August or late July.
sorry.

Beth

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:47 AM, Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wendy
> Our positive is around 8 months old.  We aren't sure of her exact age  -
> she was probably early August/late July.\
>
> Beth
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:33 AM, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hey Beth,
> >
> >
> >
> > How old is your existing FeLV+?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Wendy
> >
> >
> > "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can
> > change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~
> > Margaret Meade ~~~
> >
> > - Original Message 
> > From: Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:26:15 PM
> > Subject: Re: update: Athena
> >
> > Hi everyone -
> > We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+
> > neutered male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do
> > you think that is 'old enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to
> > make a decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten
> > (last May ) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he
> > would be a year in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any
> > health problems at all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I
> > don't think that he's been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request
> > him to be re-tested before we take him in?
> > I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long
> > as he's healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make
> > a trip to Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked
> > him out.
> >
> > Anyways...
> > hope you all have a good evening.
> >
> >
> >  Beth
> >
> >
> >
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Re: update: Athena

[Beth Gouldin]

Wendy
Our positive is around 8 months old.  We aren't sure of her exact age  - she
was probably early August/late July.\

Beth

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 8:33 AM, wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey Beth,
>
>
>
> How old is your existing FeLV+?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Wendy
>
>
> "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can
> change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~
> Margaret Meade ~~~
>
> - Original Message 
> From: Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:26:15 PM
> Subject: Re: update: Athena
>
> Hi everyone -
> We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+
> neutered male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do
> you think that is 'old enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to
> make a decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten
> (last May ) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he
> would be a year in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any
> health problems at all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I
> don't think that he's been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request
> him to be re-tested before we take him in?
> I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as
> he's healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a
> trip to Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him
> out.
>
> Anyways...
> hope you all have a good evening.
>
>
>  Beth
>
>
>
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!!

Re: update: Athena

[wendy]

Hey Beth,

How old is your existing FeLV+?

Thanks,
Wendy

 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 5, 2008 10:26:15 PM
Subject: Re: update: Athena

Hi everyone - 
We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+ neutered 
male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do you think 
that is 'old enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to make a 
decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten (last May 
) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he would be a year 
in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any health problems at 
all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I don't think that he's 
been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request him to be re-tested 
before we take him in? 
I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as he's 
healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a trip to 
Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him out.

Anyways...
hope you all have a good evening.


 Beth


  

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Re: update: Athena

[dede hicken]

When we adopted Ki, his mother and all sibs were neg. 
It wasn't until he developed swollen nodes un his neck
that we had him tested.  He was always a weak pos.  We
then vaccinated all of our other cats.  I did a lot of
research and it seems as though the healthy vaccinated
adult cats are the safest to have a pos cat with.  We
haven't had any problems since Ki's death last June. 
I still have his brother, and he is healthy as a
horse...looks and eats like one too!

Good luck on your decision.  I am not sure I would
ever get a pos cat again.  Between the felv and the
fip, and losing him anyway...it almost killed me. 
However, I would never euth a cat that I had already
owned because of the felv.  I fall in love too
quickly.  I think i would tke a very agressive
approach if this ever happens to me again.

Good luck on your decision.

Dede



--- Lynne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Beth, I can understand how frustrated and
> disheartened you are but I would agree about
> bringing in another vaccinated adult cat if any.  My
> Lennie has lived a single life for 19 years and when
> we discovered Boo had Felv we weren't concerned
> because they did not want anything to do with each
> other.  Until Boo came along, we never had more than
> one cat and he likes having us all to ourselves.  I
> honestly don't think they care about companions all
> that much if you give them all the attention.  If
> you really think Athena needs a friend then the
> vaccinated adult would probably be the best bet.  I
> am still so heartbroken at this point I could not
> put myself through what I just went through with
> losing BooBoo again, not this soon anyway.  But that
> may change.  If I were to be offered a vet checked
> cat that tested positive and was really healthy, not
> like my baby, I would probably consider taking it if
> I knew no one else would.  In my case it was the
> horrible shock of not knowing anything about this
> disease until it was far too late.  I still have
> hope for these cats.
> 
> Lynne
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: catatonya 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
>   Subject: Re: update: Athena
> 
> 
>   I've bought in both.  And never had any transfer
> of the virus.  I think the important thing is to
> bring in another vaccinated adult, or healthy
> positive adult.
>   t
> 
>   Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all
> So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak
> positive. This is 9 weeks from the first testing
> that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.&nbs p; I
> guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped
> (for her sake) that she would be negative - she
> seems so healthy...no major problems or anything...
> and we really wanted to get another cat for a
> companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and
> we just can't bring closure to ourselves to
> intentionally get another FeLV + cat... which means
> pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
> I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it
> would be a perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that
> it's not true simply because of the joy they
> bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming
> through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any
> time.   
> Do any of you have experiences bringing in
> another cat?  Do you always elect to get another
> FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet
> suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated
> adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of
> exposing another cat to this.  
> Any feedback would help me out... I'm so
> frustrated with this whole thing.
> Thanks for listening :}
> 
> -- 
> Beth Gouldin
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 940.395.5393
> 
> God Bless!!! 
> 
> 
> 


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Re: update: Athena

[Beth Gouldin]

Hi everyone -
We have been able to locate an almost 1 year old  very healthy FeLV+
neutered male siamese. We will be going to see him in a couple weeks... Do
you think that is 'old enough'?  This is only a potential - we don't have to
make a decision quickly.  From what I understand, he was exposed as a kitten
(last May ) and tested (in June) positive for FeLV. I think she said he
would be a year in March (I think) but in the mean time, he hasn't had any
health problems at all - even through the rounds of URI in his mates...I
don't think that he's been re-tested since.   Do you think we should request
him to be re-tested before we take him in?
I'm excited about the prospects of having another siamese - and as long as
he's healthy this could work. I'll keep you all updated - I have to make a
trip to Chicago next week or else I would have already probably checked him
out.

Anyways...
hope you all have a good evening.


 Beth

Re: update: Athena

[Lynne]

Beth, I can understand how frustrated and disheartened you are but I would 
agree about bringing in another vaccinated adult cat if any.  My Lennie has 
lived a single life for 19 years and when we discovered Boo had Felv we weren't 
concerned because they did not want anything to do with each other.  Until Boo 
came along, we never had more than one cat and he likes having us all to 
ourselves.  I honestly don't think they care about companions all that much if 
you give them all the attention.  If you really think Athena needs a friend 
then the vaccinated adult would probably be the best bet.  I am still so 
heartbroken at this point I could not put myself through what I just went 
through with losing BooBoo again, not this soon anyway.  But that may change.  
If I were to be offered a vet checked cat that tested positive and was really 
healthy, not like my baby, I would probably consider taking it if I knew no one 
else would.  In my case it was the horrible shock of not knowing anything about 
this disease until it was far too late.  I still have hope for these cats.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 9:32 PM
  Subject: Re: update: Athena


  I've bought in both.  And never had any transfer of the virus.  I think the 
important thing is to bring in another vaccinated adult, or healthy positive 
adult.
  t

  Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi all
So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the 
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.&nbs p; I guess I'm just 
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - 
she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to 
get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we 
just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + 
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak 
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but 
this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just 
die any time.   
Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always 
elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested 
bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the 
SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this.  
Any feedback would help me out... I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
Thanks for listening :}

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!! 

Re: update: Athena

[catatonya]

I've bought in both.  And never had any transfer of the virus.  I think the 
important thing is to bring in another vaccinated adult, or healthy positive 
adult.
  t

Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Hi all
So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the 
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just 
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - 
she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to 
get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we 
just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + 
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak 
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but 
this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just 
die any time.   
Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always elect to 
get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing 
in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk 
of exposing another cat to this.  
Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
Thanks for listening :}

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!! 

Re: update: Athena

[Beth Gouldin]

Thank you all so much for your notesthey have really helped.  David (my
hubby) and I are still discussing things. After a few days of really
watching Athena and trying to figure out her behavior (she's pretty quirky)
I have again come to the same conclusion that she would really benefit from
another cat. I think that it will have to be a perfect situation for us to
make the decision to bring another cat into the house, but as of the last
few days - it doesn't break my heart to think about.  We are going to just
keep our options open and see what happens.
Thanks for the support - this network has really saved my sanity -  I can't
imaging the last couple of months with out everyone's letters - even the sad
ones.


Beth

On Wed, Feb 27, 2008 at 10:47 PM, Dorothy Noble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have to agree with Laurie.  When Armond was left as the last cat
> standing, I just couldn't bear for him to be alone.  (I think that cats can
> be solitary but I *know* how much Armond LOVES to have a friend.  Someone
> to groom and sleep with and wrestle with...)
>
> So, I set out on a long search to find him another positive kitty friend.
> And, I found one - he is Preston and he is such a doll.  I could not bear
> the thought of infecting another cat by bringing in one who was negative,
> when there are so many positive cats who are unadoptable out there.
> Preston's first family had to give him up when he tested positive due to
> their other cats - it was so wonderful to be able to tell them that we had
> rescued Preston and that he had a happy home.
>
> The sanctuary where Preston was living has an entire room (old church
> building) with about 40 positive kitties.  No one had ever adopted a cat
> from there - not ever, until we got Preston.  Even though his life may not
> be as long as other cats, I know that his life will be good and so will
> Armond's and so will mine!
>
> Good luck with your decision...
>
>
> *laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote:
>
> I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV negative
> cat as the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is shed
> via body fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc.
>
> A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6
> years and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~
> she mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false
> positive).  SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want
> to make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is
> important that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out.
>
> You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who
> lived very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a "carrier". He was
> never sick. Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died.
> So, I adopted 3 (unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you
> know. Keisha was age unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one
> of the young ones died 6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and
> asthma within the first year after I adopted him and was sick his entire
> life. Coco, the other young'un is still with me but has had 2 instances
> where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost
> most of his vision a year ago at age 9 and was diagnosed with pancreatitis
> which it seems he has conquered. Keisha died last summer, completely
> unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess I am giving examples of
> how we just never know. With my newest group (which grew to 7), I was sure
> Keihsa would die first because she was oldestnot so.
>
> If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just
> me and by no means the "right" answer! Athena may never have a symptom.
> Squeaky didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt
> another cat only because he was already older when Stripes died and he was
> so upset when Stripes died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never
> was.
>
> Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you.
> Laurie
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
>
> *From:* Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Sent:* Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM
> *Subject:* update: Athena
>
> Hi all
> So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from
> the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just
> disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative
> - she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really
> wanted to get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have
> talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get
> another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat.
>
> I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually
> bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply 

Re: update: Athena

[Dorothy Noble]

I have to agree with Laurie.  When Armond was left as the last cat standing, I 
just couldn't bear for him to be alone.  (I think that cats can be solitary but 
I know how much Armond LOVES to have a friend.  Someone to groom and sleep with 
and wrestle with...)
   
  So, I set out on a long search to find him another positive kitty friend.  
And, I found one - he is Preston and he is such a doll.  I could not bear the 
thought of infecting another cat by bringing in one who was negative, when 
there are so many positive cats who are unadoptable out there.  Preston's first 
family had to give him up when he tested positive due to their other cats - it 
was so wonderful to be able to tell them that we had rescued Preston and that 
he had a happy home.  
   
  The sanctuary where Preston was living has an entire room (old church 
building) with about 40 positive kitties.  No one had ever adopted a cat from 
there - not ever, until we got Preston.  Even though his life may not be as 
long as other cats, I know that his life will be good and so will Armond's and 
so will mine!
   
  Good luck with your decision...

laurieskatz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV 
negative cat as the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is 
shed via body fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc. 
   
  A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6 years 
and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~ she 
mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false 
positive).  SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want to 
make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is important 
that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out. 
   
  You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who lived 
very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a "carrier". He was never sick. 
Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died. So, I adopted 3 
(unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you know. Keisha was age 
unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one of the young ones died 
6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and asthma within the first year 
after I adopted him and was sick his entire life. Coco, the other young'un is 
still with me but has had 2 instances where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a 
rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost most of his vision a year ago at age 9 
and was diagnosed with pancreatitis which it seems he has conquered. Keisha 
died last summer, completely unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess 
I am giving examples of how we just never know. With my newest group (which 
grew to 7), I was sure Keihsa would die first
 because she was oldestnot so. 
   
  If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just me 
and by no means the "right" answer! Athena may never have a symptom. Squeaky 
didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt another cat only 
because he was already older when Stripes died and he was so upset when Stripes 
died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never was.
   
  Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you.
  Laurie
   
   
   
  - Original Message - 
From: Beth Gouldin 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM
  Subject: update: Athena
  

Hi all
So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the 
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just 
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - 
she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to 
get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we 
just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + 
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak 
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but 
this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just 
die any time.   
Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always elect to 
get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested bringing 
in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk 
of exposing another cat to this.  
Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
Thanks for listening :}

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!! 



   
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Re: update: Athena

[Sue Koren]

Beth,
I can understand how dissapointed you must feel that Athena re-tested positive. 
 I was so bummed when Buzz tested positive.  He will re-test in April and I am 
afraid I am just hopeing too much for him to test negative, if the outcome is 
not what I am praying for it will really be hard.  I have five other cats and 
he is living in a room all by himself. He hates being shut away from all that 
is going on in the rest of the house but the risk to the others is just too 
great.  I agree with you about not getting another one.  It just seems like it 
could become a viscous cycle.  What do you do if you lose one, keep 
"replaceing" them?  It is all so heartbreaking.  So my Buzz will live out his 
life in a room away from the others unless he receives the miracle of a 
negative test.  He is treated like a king in that room, though.  I just got him 
a cat condo this past weekend and he LOVES it.  I also spend as much time as I 
can with him.  At first I was even trying to find another home for him but I 
really can't imagine ever giving him up.  He is such a great cat, but if a 
situation ever came up where he would have a really great home, I would let him 
go for his happieness.  Good luck to you no matter what you decide to do.
Sue

 Beth Gouldin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 

=
Hi all
So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative
- she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really
wanted to get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have
talked and we just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get
another FeLV + cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat.

I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they
bring..but this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats
that can just die any time.
Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always elect
to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested
bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the
SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this.
Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
Thanks for listening :}

-- 
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!!

Re: update: Athena

[laurieskatz]

I'd be as worried about Athena catching something from the FeLV negative cat as 
the negative cat getting FeLV. My understanding is the virus is shed via body 
fluids ~ saliva, nasal discharge, etc. 

A friend had a negative cat living with a group of positives for 5 or 6 years 
and he never got sick (and tested negative for FeLV after that time ~ she 
mistakenly thought he tested positive in the beginning or he was a false 
positive).  SO, if you get another kitty who is not positive, you might want to 
make sure that kitty is healthy when you bring it home. Also, it is important 
that they get along so Athena isn't stressed out. 

You know, we really have no guarantees. I had 2 FeLv positive cats who lived 
very long lives ~ 16 and 22 years. Squeaky was a "carrier". He was never sick. 
Stripes was sick on and off. I was devastated when they died. So, I adopted 3 
(unrelated) cats from the shelter at once. Insurance, you know. Keisha was age 
unknown and the other 2 were about 6 months. Teddy, one of the young ones died 
6 years later, of cancer. He got sick with IBD and asthma within the first year 
after I adopted him and was sick his entire life. Coco, the other young'un is 
still with me but has had 2 instances where I nearly lost her. Frankie (a 
rescued feral kitten with asthma) lost most of his vision a year ago at age 9 
and was diagnosed with pancreatitis which it seems he has conquered. Keisha 
died last summer, completely unexpectedly, of congestive heart failure. I guess 
I am giving examples of how we just never know. With my newest group (which 
grew to 7), I was sure Keihsa would die first because she was oldestnot so. 

If it were me, I'd probably adopt another FeLV or no one. But that is just me 
and by no means the "right" answer! Athena may never have a symptom. Squeaky 
didn't. He outlived Stripes by another 7 years. I didn't adopt another cat only 
because he was already older when Stripes died and he was so upset when Stripes 
died. I never considered Squeaky sick since he never was.

Take care of yourselves...let your heart lead you.
Laurie



- Original Message - 
  From: Beth Gouldin 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:06 PM
  Subject: update: Athena


  Hi all
  So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the 
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just 
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - 
she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to 
get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we 
just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + 
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
  I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak 
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but 
this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just 
die any time.   
  Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always elect 
to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested 
bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the 
SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this.  
  Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
  Thanks for listening :}

  -- 
  Beth Gouldin
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  940.395.5393

  God Bless!!! 

Re: update: Athena

[Marylyn]

A thought:  how about an adult vaccinated cat from a local kill  
shelter?  Yes, there is a chance he/she will develop FeLV.  That  
chance appears to exist with any adopted cat.  However, the chances of  
an adult cat in a kill shelter dying is very, very high.  Everyone  
wants kittens and the kill rate for most shelters is very high even  
for kittens.  A thought.  You will have to weigh your own values.  If  
I were a cat in a kill shelter or on the streets alone I would take my  
chances with the FeV exposure.


Right now Dixie has a wonderful Tom cat calling on her.  He started  
coming around several months ago.  PC is fully grown, on his own and  
appears very healthy.  I let them together at times for short periods  
of time  and my concerns are that he will bring in a disease to her,  
not visa versa.   We live on a rural farm.  I suspect PC has been  
exposed to everything he ever will be exposed to.  If he continues to  
hang around and continues to come in peacefully I plan to try to take  
him to a vet for a checkup.  This is not very easy for a number of  
reasons and there are real questions about neutering him given his  
life style.  Forcing him to live inside is not an option and, unlike  
the colony at my mother's, monitoring him is also questionable.   
However, back on topic, a cat whose destiny is death might well  
welcome a nice home.  I certainly would.


I would also point out that Dixie tested positive 3 years ago and is  
and has been extremely healthy and happy since she was tested.  Had I  
not taken her to be spayed I would never know her status.  Feed Athena  
the best foods you can and give her the best supplements and forget  
her status whether you get a companion for her or not.  Just be  
vigilant re any problems..as you should for anyone without words.   
If you dwell on the status you will loose so very much.

On Feb 25, 2008, at 6:06 PM, Beth Gouldin wrote:


Hi all
So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks  
from the first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I  
guess I'm just disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake)  
that she would be negative - she seems so healthy...no major  
problems or anything... and we really wanted to get another cat for  
a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we just can't  
bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV +  
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat.
I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a  
perpetually bleak cycle (and I know that it's not true simply  
because of the joy they bring..but this is my bummed out- ness  
coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just die any time.
Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you  
always elect to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare?  
Our vet suggested bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but  
I don't want even the SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this.
Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole  
thing.

Thanks for listening :}

--
Beth Gouldin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
940.395.5393

God Bless!!!

Re: update: Athena

[Lynne]

Beth I'm so sorry about your disappointment.  Has she had any screening blood 
work to see where she's at health wise.  When we were at the vets not long ago 
he brought in a young cat who had tested positive and he said she was in 
perfectly good health, blood work showed no abnormalities at all.  The owners 
were considering euthanizing her because they had three others that tested 
negative.  This little girl was a stray.  We had agreed to take her if the 
owners decided to put her down but thankfully they decided against that.  The 
vet himself was going to do anything he could to have her adopted out.  I would 
have taken her at that point but now I'm glad we didn't have to.  Not in our 
case since we are dealing with one very costly and very advanced positive cat.  
We have only owned 2 cats prior to bringing our positive cat into our home and 
they were single cats and enjoyed the good life.  Cats are pretty solitary 
animals in my opinion.  I personally can't see putting myself through this pain 
again.  We of course thought we were getting a healthy cat but after learning 
how sick he is we have totally committed to doing everything we can for him.  
It's sucked a lot of life out both my husband and I.  We won't be going on any 
more vacations as long as he's alive because we would be afraid to leave him in 
the care of someone who isn't familiar with his situation and we just wouldn't 
want to anyway.  It really is a big commitment and I am nowhere near as noble 
hearted as most on this list.  We have always treated our pets as though they 
were our own flesh and blood and I know how hard this is for you.  If you 
decide not to get another positive cat, I for one totally understand and please 
do not feel guilty.

If your girl is healthy as you say other than testing positive get all the 
information you can find and do what you can.  There are lots of people on this 
list who have had successful outcomes with their cats.  It isn't necessarily an 
immediate death sentence.  My cat is getting only palliative care now, nothin 
more can be done expect treat problems that arise and give him good food and 
lots of love.  We will not give up on him.  He eats, sleeps, does his business 
and loves us to pieces so we deal with things.  If we had known about this 
disease a lot sooner perhaps we could have had a fairer fight on our hands but 
it wasn't meant to be.

Do what you feel best suits you and your husband and your lifestyle.  We all 
aren't meant for this.
Lynne
  - Original Message - 
  From: Beth Gouldin 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 7:06 PM
  Subject: update: Athena


  Hi all
  So Athena just re-tested on ELISA a weak positive. This is 9 weeks from the 
first testing that we did when we lost Orion to FeLV.  I guess I'm just 
disheartened... I had REALLY hoped (for her sake) that she would be negative - 
she seems so healthy...no major problems or anything... and we really wanted to 
get another cat for a companion for her.  My husband and I have talked and we 
just can't bring closure to ourselves to intentionally get another FeLV + 
cat... which means pretty much she's gonna stay a single cat. 
  I don't know, in my mind it just seems that it would be a perpetually bleak 
cycle (and I know that it's not true simply because of the joy they bring..but 
this is my bummed out- ness coming through) to have 'sick' cats that can just 
die any time.   
  Do any of you have experiences bringing in another cat?  Do you always elect 
to get another FeLV +? How do kittens generally fare? Our vet suggested 
bringing in a FeLV negative vaccinated adult...but I don't want even the 
SLIGHTEST risk of exposing another cat to this.  
  Any feedback would help me out...I'm so frustrated with this whole thing.
  Thanks for listening :}

  -- 
  Beth Gouldin
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  940.395.5393

  God Bless!!! 

Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

I am sorry, Michael.

Even w/ a pos."snap" test they can 'throw" the virus.

If the IFA test returns pos., that's a different story because it could mean 
it's in the bone marrow.

In otherwords, if it's just in the blood,it can be throw off, if it's in the 
marrow, it cannot.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 7:55 AM
  Subject: Re: Update


  Got this message from the vet student this morning:


  Michael,

  I just wanted to let you know that both Poppie and Grizzabella came back 
positive for feline leukemia on the snap test.  I realize this is not a big 
surprise, but it is always good to double check.  We will still have to wait 
for the results of the IFA, which will hopefully come back early next week.

  Dr. Purvis and I will be in touch!

  Teri-Lee James
  senior student


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Re: Update

[OfALegend]

Got this message from the vet student this morning:
 
   
Michael,
 
I just wanted to let you know that both Poppie and Grizzabella came back  
positive for feline leukemia on the snap test.  I realize this is not a big  
surprise, but it is always good to double check.  We will still have to  wait 
for 
the results of the IFA, which will hopefully come back early next  week.
 
Dr. Purvis and I will be in touch!
 
Teri-Lee James
senior student


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Re: Update

[OfALegend]

Wendy,
 
I'm not really sure WHAT they done at the local vet. :/
 
I was rather confused myself today when they told me Creekside said they  
hadn't done an IFA. :/  All the invoice/receipt says is "Feline Leukemia/  FIV 
Combo TEST."  I just assumed that when we asked them to send her blood  off and 
test her again that they'd do an IFA, but apparently they done another  
STRAP/ELISA test.  I really don't understand how they sent that off, unless  
what 
they actually done was drew the blood and stored it at their office until  the 
STRAP test kits came in the next day, which I'm thinking is looking more and  
more like the most likely possibility.
 
As for Penny, she has not been retested yet.  I'll be getting them to  do an 
IFA on her next appointment (in six months).  And I guess I'll just  start 
looking for a new "local" vet now.  Ugh.  I'll update you guys  when I have 
more 
info!

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Re: Update

[wendy]

Michael,

Wow!  Another chance for negative tests!!!  I am praying the results are 
negative for both of your furbabies, and if not now, that 3 months from now, 
they will be.  Technically, Bella could have been shedding the virus and 
exposed Poppy, if Poppy had never been exposed before, and we can't prove that 
she had.  If this is the case, she has the opportunity to throw the virus.  So 
does Grizzabella (I love this name by the way).

I was also thinking about your original vet.  Did they charge you for an IFA 
test?  You said they called you and said the results were in the next day; what 
the heck were they talking about???  If they didn't, they owe you some money 
back, at the very least!!!  Also, did they do an IFA on Penelope???  I know you 
said she tested negative, but what if it was only the Elisa?  If they both come 
back negative, then there's no point in retesting Penelope.

You have learned so much Michael.  You're like a human sponge!  I'm impressed 
with how well you have handled all this.  So much logic and compassion.  A 
great combination.

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:20:08 PM
Subject: Update


Hey guys.  Not sure what happened to my message...said something about being 
held for moderator approval.  Anyway, I'm resending.
 
  
Hey guys.  I just got back from UT CVM with Poppy and Bella, and I promised an 
update.  As for their health, they're doing fine really, no symptoms still, 
eating well, taking the missing link and lysine supplements with no problems.  
The entire visit at UT took about 2.5 hours, but a lot of that was just 
waiting.  First, a fourth year student called us back and done a physical exam 
and initial consultation.  She then sent us back to the waiting room and took 
the info back to the clinician and an intern.  About 20 minutes later she comes 
back and gets me and girls, and the intern is waiting for us in the exam room.  
They called my local vet, who apparently had NOT done an IFA test, which kinda 
upsets me.  I've really tried to like that vet for the simple fact that they 
have emergency service available and they're a block from my house, but it 
looks like I'm going to have to start looking for another local vet.  Anyway, 
an IFA had not been done, so they
 took the girls to the back and drew blood for the IFA.  They also asked if I 
wanted a CBC, Chem Panel, Urinalysis and Hepatic Function panels done, which 
would have costed another $300 :(  The vet was very understanding, and said she 
honestly could go either way, that it was my choice, but it might be pointless 
to draw the blood now and then have to do it again if they get sick, so we 
decided to wait on the bloodwork and do another SNAP test (which she will call 
or email the results from those to me today) and the IFA will be back next 
week.  Here's to hoping the *real* IFA is negative.
 
They were all honest at the hospital.  The fourth year student told me this was 
her first case of Feline Leukemia, and the Intern said they didn't see very 
many of them at the hospital, but they're going to do research on current 
treatments and get back with both me and my local vet regarding a treatment 
plan.  She said FeLV is manageable, and sometimes cats live many years with it. 
 She seemed very optimistic, which made me feel a little better.  Not sure how 
I feel about their utter lack of experience with FeLV, but I can't expect 
anyone to be perfect.  We're going to wait on the lab results to get a real 
"positive" and go from there.  She said they may have us come back if the tests 
are positive to do the bloodwork and try to type/stage the disease.  She said 
for now the best thing to do is continue doing what I am since they appear 
healthy and are symptomatic.  She recommended waiting on the antivirals until 
they're symptomatic, but again said this
 was a matter of personal preference.  I'm waiting on the recommendations 
they're supposed to email me now, so we'll see how it goes from there.  
Overall, I'm having mixed feelings about the visit.  I'm certainly glad I took 
them, and I'd probably do it again, I guess I was just hoping for a plan today. 
  The total bill was $316 for the exam, research, and SNAP/IFA tests for both 
cats.  I must say, the intern, Dr. Emily Purvis, was very compassionate. As a 
matter of fact, she paged the front and came back up there before I left and 
saved me $80.  She said the research she was going to do would be the same for 
both cats, so she didn't feel comfortable charging me twice (which saved me 
$80.  A "research" visit costs $115, versus $35 for a regular visit).  I 
appreciated her concern.  The cost broke down like this:

Research visit $115
Office visit  $35
SNA

Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

Thanks for the update, Michael.

Even tho they don't have much felv experience,being that it is a university you 
can bet they will be doing LOTS of research and consulting  w/others more felv+ 
savy.

I hopet his makes you feel better!

Please keep us posted.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 3:20 PM
  Subject: Update


  Hey guys.  Not sure what happened to my message...said something about being 
held for moderator approval.  Anyway, I'm resending.


  Hey guys.  I just got back from UT CVM with Poppy and Bella, and I promised 
an update.  As for their health, they're doing fine really, no symptoms still, 
eating well, taking the missing link and lysine supplements with no problems.  
The entire visit at UT took about 2.5 hours, but a lot of that was just 
waiting.  First, a fourth year student called us back and done a physical exam 
and initial consultation.  She then sent us back to the waiting room and took 
the info back to the clinician and an intern.  About 20 minutes later she comes 
back and gets me and girls, and the intern is waiting for us in the exam room.  
They called my local vet, who apparently had NOT done an IFA test, which kinda 
upsets me.  I've really tried to like that vet for the simple fact that they 
have emergency service available and they're a block from my house, but it 
looks like I'm going to have to start looking for another local vet.  Anyway, 
an IFA had not been done, so they took the girls to the back and drew blood for 
the IFA.  They also asked if I wanted a CBC, Chem Panel, Urinalysis and Hepatic 
Function panels done, which would have costed another $300 :(  The vet was very 
understanding, and said she honestly could go either way, that it was my 
choice, but it might be pointless to draw the blood now and then have to do it 
again if they get sick, so we decided to wait on the bloodwork and do another 
SNAP test (which she will call or email the results from those to me today) and 
the IFA will be back next week.  Here's to hoping the *real* IFA is negative.

  They were all honest at the hospital.  The fourth year student told me this 
was her first case of Feline Leukemia, and the Intern said they didn't see very 
many of them at the hospital, but they're going to do research on current 
treatments and get back with both me and my local vet regarding a treatment 
plan.  She said FeLV is manageable, and sometimes cats live many years with it. 
 She seemed very optimistic, which made me feel a little better.  Not sure how 
I feel about their utter lack of experience with FeLV, but I can't expect 
anyone to be perfect.  We're going to wait on the lab results to get a real 
"positive" and go from there.  She said they may have us come back if the tests 
are positive to do the bloodwork and try to type/stage the disease.  She said 
for now the best thing to do is continue doing what I am since they appear 
healthy and are symptomatic.  She recommended waiting on the antivirals until 
they're symptomatic, but again said this was a matter of personal preference.  
I'm waiting on the recommendations they're supposed to email me now, so we'll 
see how it goes from there.  Overall, I'm having mixed feelings about the 
visit.  I'm certainly glad I took them, and I'd probably do it again, I guess I 
was just hoping for a plan today.   The total bill was $316 for the exam, 
research, and SNAP/IFA tests for both cats.  I must say, the intern, Dr. Emily 
Purvis, was very compassionate. As a matter of fact, she paged the front and 
came back up there before I left and saved me $80.  She said the research she 
was going to do would be the same for both cats, so she didn't feel comfortable 
charging me twice (which saved me $80.  A "research" visit costs $115, versus 
$35 for a regular visit).  I appreciated her concern.  The cost broke down like 
this:

  Research visit $115
  Office visit  $35
  SNAP/IFAx2  $166

  I'll be sure to let you all know what they say when they email their 
treatment plans/recommendations next week.

  Michael





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RE: Update on papillon

[Melissa Lind]

Susan,

 

This is such a bittersweet comment that you've made. It made me smile and
tear up. I think that you are all very special people to be going through
the happiness and sadness that this calling in life brings. I'm hoping for
the best for Pappy.

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:09 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; asr
Subject: Update on papillon

 

Papillon had his vet visit today.

 

He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to
walk.

 

Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his
temperature was up too.

 

Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.

 

He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some
eye drops to be given TID.

 

And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him
daily w/  reports.

 

Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.

 

I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.

 

He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows
also how many more "special needs"cats I have.

 

And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing
with.

 

He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free
lifestyle as possible.

 

Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.

 

I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will
hurt us, but we go on.


We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will
open their homes to.

 

And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet
is hard on our souls.

 

I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.

 

We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass,
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best
little kitty in the whole wideworld.

 

But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to
us.. :)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

 

 

 

 

Re: Update on papillon

[Susan Dubose]

Thanks, Tonja, me too.

The problem is he still lives to be "up high" on the cat perches.

Probably so that he can Lord over his kitty kingdom.

He is a bit wobbly so I worry about his climbing.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: catatonya 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 2:02 AM
  Subject: Re: Update on papillon


  I'm sorry Susan.  I hope he has many 'good' days left with you.
  tonya

  Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Papillon had his vet visit today.

He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to 
walk.

Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness 
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his 
temperature was up too.

Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.

He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  
eye drops to be given TID.

And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him 
daily w/  reports.

Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.

I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.

He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows 
also how many more "special needs"cats I have.

And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is 
dealing with.

He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free 
lifestyle as possible.

Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.

I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take 
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will 
hurt us, but we go on.

We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will 
open their homes to.

And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved 
pet is hard on our souls.

I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.

We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, 
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best 
little kitty in the whole wideworld.

But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we 
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to us.. 
:)








Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Update on papillon

[catatonya]

I'm sorry Susan.  I hope he has many 'good' days left with you.
  tonya

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Papillon had his vet visit today.
   
  He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to 
walk.
   
  Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness 
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his 
temperature was up too.
   
  Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.
   
  He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  
eye drops to be given TID.
   
  And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him 
daily w/  reports.
   
  Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.
   
  I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.
   
  He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows also 
how many more "special needs"cats I have.
   
  And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing 
with.
   
  He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free 
lifestyle as possible.
   
  Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.
   
  I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take 
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will 
hurt us, but we go on.
  
We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will 
open their homes to.
   
  And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet 
is hard on our souls.
   
  I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.
   
  We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, 
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best 
little kitty in the whole wideworld.
   
  But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we 
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to us.. 
:)
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   

re: Update on Papillon

[Susan Dubose]

Well, I have to admit that Papillon LOVES to grab my hands, bite & bunny kick 
when he gets a whim..

But they are ALL the best kitties in the world.

My friend Sheila had a polydactyl tuxie boy that was a real turd.  A REAL 
turd..

Oh, and he was felv+, of course, so no one wanted him.

His name was Blackjack because he had 21 toes.

He would be lying in her lab while she was on the computer, all sweet actin'.

All of a sudden he would go crazy and attack her face.

She LOVED that cat s much.

It was like an abusive relationship.

She even said that when she would dress or undress in her bedroom, BlackJack 
would just lay on the bed and watch her, like he was @ the strip bar or 
something. 
 (Take it off, baby...!)

And he would grab @ her too...  :)

She got sooo attached to him,she had to start putting some distance between 
herself & him.

Which just meant he got to hang out in the indoor /outdoor felv+ area more,as 
opposed to her bedroom.

He passed away from the neurological problems that Pappy is now experiencing.





Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent


Hi Susan and all

  I am tagging onto your post bc I am not sure my posts are shwoing up.

  A previous post was saying how FeLV+ kitties were special and very sweet etc. 
Someone forgot to tell Junior that. He will get pissy with me . He attacks my 
hand and hisses at me. He does have his good moments as well. I wrote more but 
lost the draft. SO I will wrap up here. 

  Sally

Re: Update on papillon

[Susan Dubose]

Hi Jane,

His treatment today was the shot.

It was composed of 2 types of cortesone & B12.

Once the disease takes the turn that Pappy's has, (neurological) there is 
really no treatment.

With the exception of daily monitoring, lots of love & plenty of snuggle time, 
supplements.

Dr. Smith said that the shot may or may not help him, however, he seems more 
alert tonight and more social w/the other kitties.

I know this is all temporary, but a girl can dream  :)


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Jane Lyons 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 5:59 PM
  Subject: Re: Update on papillon


  Susan 
  I'm so sorry that your Papillon has run into a rough patch. I hope
  the treatment he got today (please give us some detail on his
  treatment) will get him to a comfortable place where he can
  be your 'best kitty in the whole world' for a long time to come.


  This disease seems to inhabit the exceptional, sweetest, the
  very best kitties in the world.  They seem so open and grateful for
   the love and care they get. They are a special breed and we
  are so lucky to have the privilege of learning from them.


  Hugs to Papillon.


  Jane














  On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:


Papillon had his vet visit today.

He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to 
walk.

Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness 
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his 
temperature was up too.

Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.

He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  
eye drops to be given TID.

And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him 
daily w/  reports.

Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.

I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.

He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows 
also how many more "special needs"cats I have.

And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is 
dealing with.

He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free 
lifestyle as possible.

Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.

I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take 
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will 
hurt us, but we go on.

We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will 
open their homes to.

And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved 
pet is hard on our souls.

I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.

We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, 
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best 
little kitty in the whole wideworld.

But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we 
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to us.. 
:)








Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent

Re: Update on papillon

[Jane Lyons]

Susan
I'm so sorry that your Papillon has run into a rough patch. I hope
the treatment he got today (please give us some detail on his
treatment) will get him to a comfortable place where he can
be your 'best kitty in the whole world' for a long time to come.

This disease seems to inhabit the exceptional, sweetest, the
very best kitties in the world.  They seem so open and grateful for
the love and care they get. They are a special breed and we
are so lucky to have the privilege of learning from them.

Hugs to Papillon.

Jane







On Sep 10, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Susan Dubose wrote:


Papillon had his vet visit today.

He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he  
tried to walk.


Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness  
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I  
believe his temperature was up too.


Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.

He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12  
& some  eye drops to be given TID.


And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to  
call him daily w/  reports.


Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to  
normal.


I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith  
knows this.


He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he  
knows also how many more "special needs"cats I have.


And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he  
is dealing with.


He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements &  
stress free lifestyle as possible.


Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.

I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that  
we take them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than  
later, and it will hurt us, but we go on.


We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many  
people will open their homes to.


And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a  
beloved pet is hard on our souls.


I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.

We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when  
they pass, but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them  
they are the best little kitty in the whole wideworld.


But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile  
and we tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to  
us.. :)









Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened  
claws."

 Trajan Tennent

Re: Update on papillon

[glenda Goodman]

Susan, I'm so sorry for your little Pappy and for you.
I know what you all mean by "the best little kitty
ever" I read Caroline's response to you...
 I thought one day, a while back, it is almost like
THEY know they are a bit more trouble, so they make
sure they are extra charming, irresistable...Not every
single cat comes across that special. 
For example, my cat Velcro, is a real pain...He is
grumpy, boring, lazy...never plays,not interested in
anything except food.  growls at everyone, even me
sometimes...Except for being a fatty, is the picture
of health. I do try to restrict his food intake...He
can also be very needy, likes my lap a lot...If he is
comfortable and I need to get up, he will most often
bite and claw me , just to let me know he does not
like losing his lap...He is not what you could call
"the best kitty ever" . He is not FeLV+ kitty
either... My Gracie , however, is...and she is "the
best kitty ever"...
My heart breaks for everyone here with sick kitties
and those who have lost their kitty. It is just about
impossible not to cry every time one of us is going
through a crisis. There is just something universal
about how those kitties touch us, where we can all
understand just how sweet they all are and the pain
those of us who love them are feeling. 
I do know one thing for sure:Our little FeLV+ Kitties
do bring out the best, in all of us. I know that. 
Sending our love and support, Glenda and family 
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Papillon had his vet visit today.
> 
> He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he
> "stumbled" when he tried to walk.
> 
> Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is
> having eye redness w/discharge, his stomach is
> beginning to collect fluid and I believe his
> temperature was up too.
> 
> Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to
> say.
> 
> He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol,
> Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  eye drops to be given
> TID.
> 
> And he told me that this was all we were going to
> do, and I am to call him daily w/  reports.
> 
> Once they start having the neuro problems, it never
> "goes back" to normal.
> 
> I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight
> & Dr. Smith knows this.
> 
> He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club"
> for good, and he knows also how many more "special
> needs"cats I have.
> 
> And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he
> knows what he is dealing with.
> 
> He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/
> supplements & stress free lifestyle as possible.
> 
> Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.
> 
> I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot
> of sense, that we take them in, knowing they are
> going to die sooner rather than later, and it will
> hurt us, but we go on.
> 
> We just do the best that we can do for these cats
> that not many people will open their homes to.
>  
> And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/
> the death of a beloved pet is hard on our souls.
> 
> I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular
> basis.
> 
> We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it
> hurts when they pass, but we just hold them in their
> final hours and tell them they are the best little
> kitty in the whole wideworld.
> 
> But until then, everyday that we have them we greet
> them w/a smile and we tell  them  how  much we love
> them and how much they mean to us..
> :)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 



  

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Re: Update on papillon

[Sherry DeHaan]

Susan sorry that your Papillon is not feeling well.When I brought Genevieve 
home,I just kept telling myself "Love her as much as you can everyday" And I 
did!! Prayers to your baby and hugs to you
  Sherry

Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Papillon had his vet visit today.
   
  He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to 
walk.
   
  Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness 
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his 
temperature was up too.
   
  Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.
   
  He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  
eye drops to be given TID.
   
  And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him 
daily w/  reports.
   
  Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.
   
  I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.
   
  He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows also 
how many more "special needs"cats I have.
   
  And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing 
with.
   
  He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free 
lifestyle as possible.
   
  Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.
   
  I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take 
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will 
hurt us, but we go on.
  
We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will 
open their homes to.
   
  And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet 
is hard on our souls.
   
  I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.
   
  We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, 
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best 
little kitty in the whole wideworld.
   
  But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we 
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to us.. 
:)
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
   
   
   
   


   
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Re: Update on papillon

[Susan Dubose]

I'm sorry, Caroline, that I made you cry..

Funny how we do that, keep track of the days that we don't cry for them.

I still cry for Serenity, I was angry for so long after I lost her, it just was 
not fair, to be cliche.

She was just coming out of her shell when I lost her.

I only had her for 5 months.

And I have only had Pappy since April or May..

I would give anything just to have him walk around and "sing" to me one more 
time.

lalalalalalalala...!  
Don't cry for me, my mommy!

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, September 10, 2007 4:16 PM
  Subject: RE: Update on papillon


  I'm so sorry Susan.  I really thought this would not be a day I cried at 
work!  Since Monkee passed back on July 16, I have managed to not cry at work 
in September so far, but you broke my streak!  Everything you said is so true.  
And while someday, I want to take in another Felv+ cat(s), this is probably why 
I am fostering the sick, non-felv kittens for now.  I just can't do it again so 
soon.  But, what you wrote about telling them they were the best little kitty 
in the world is so trueafter Monkee passed in my arms and I walked around 
holding him for two hours...this is exactly what I told him over and over and 
over again.  Because he was.

  -Caroline





From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: , "asr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Update on papillon
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:09:18 -0500


Papillon had his vet visit today.

He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to 
walk.

Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness 
w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his 
temperature was up too.

Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.

He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  
eye drops to be given TID.

And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him 
daily w/  reports.

Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.

I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.

He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows 
also how many more "special needs"cats I have.

And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is 
dealing with.

He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free 
lifestyle as possible.

Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.

I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take 
them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will 
hurt us, but we go on.

We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will 
open their homes to.

And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved 
pet is hard on our souls.

I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.

We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, 
but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best 
little kitty in the whole wideworld.

But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we 
tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to us.. 
:)








Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent








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RE: Update on papillon

[Caroline Kaufmann]

I'm so sorry Susan.  I really thought this would not be a day I cried at work!  Since Monkee passed back on July 16, I have managed to not cry at work in September so far, but you broke my streak!  Everything you said is so true.  And while someday, I want to take in another Felv+ cat(s), this is probably why I am fostering the sick, non-felv kittens for now.  I just can't do it again so soon.  But, what you wrote about telling them they were the best little kitty in the world is so trueafter Monkee passed in my arms and I walked around holding him for two hours...this is exactly what I told him over and over and over again.  Because he was.
-Caroline


From: "Susan Dubose" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: , "asr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Update on papillonDate: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 16:09:18 -0500



Papillon had his vet visit today.
 
He has been lethargic lately and yesterday he "stumbled" when he tried to walk.
 
Dr. Smith found that his heart rate is up, he is having eye redness w/discharge, his stomach is beginning to collect fluid and I believe his temperature was up too.
 
Prognosis is that his felv is "on the rise", so to say.
 
He received a "cocktail" shot of Depo Medrol, Dexamethasone & B-12 & some  eye drops to be given TID.
 
And he told me that this was all we were going to do, and I am to call him daily w/  reports.
 
Once they start having the neuro problems, it never "goes back" to normal.
 
I am going to accept this, my funds are always tight & Dr. Smith knows this.
 
He also knows that I am in the "felv+ kitty club" for good, and he knows also how many more "special needs"cats I have.
 
And he has seen this condition so many times,so, he knows what he is dealing with.
 
He stressed 2 things for Pappy, good nutrition w/ supplements & stress free lifestyle as possible.
 
Those are the keys to the felv+ kingdom right now.
 
I also think what Tad posted a while back made alot of sense, that we take them in, knowing they are going to die sooner rather than later, and it will hurt us, but we go on.
We just do the best that we can do for these cats that not many people will open their homes to.
 
And it is not their fault, continously dealing w/ the death of a beloved pet is hard on our souls.
 
I understand why folks cannot do this on a regular basis.
 
We are blessed to have them, in so many ways, and it hurts when they pass, but we just hold them in their final hours and tell them they are the best little kitty in the whole wideworld.
 
But until then, everyday that we have them we greet them w/a smile and we tell  them  how  much we love them and how much they mean to us.. :)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^

Re: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

[catatonya]

That;s great news!!!
  t

Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  Great news!  A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted 
about a B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) 
who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony 
downtown and had gotten fixed.  She planned to re-release her, but she tested 
her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+.  So she’s had 
this dilemma about what to do and the cat’s been living in her bathroom since I 
think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to 
re-release. 
   
  Anyway, she got adopted last night  I couldn't’t believe 
it!!!  She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of 
town—basically, she’s a rich kitty now!  There’s a lady who currently has a 
male 8 yo Felv+ cat.  Her son, who’s in first grade, told her he wanted a 
kitty.  She told him that they couldn't’t get a kitty because they have a Felv+ 
cat.  Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and actually asked 
for a Felv+ (which usually never happens).   My contact took her the cat 
yesterday, so she got to see her huge house.  The lady showed her around and 
then said: “Now, let me show you Baby’s room!”  (the cat has been nicknamed 
Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room).  My friend was like, “What?!  Her 
room?!”   Yep.  She has her OWN bedroom!  Of course, Baby will have the run of 
the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own 
separate bedroom.  Apparently, it was all set up with her litter box and
 play toys and kitty-hammock.  I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn't’t 
have to go back outside and live out her life as a Downtown Louisville Colony 
cat…, I almost cried.  Thank god my contact held onto her and didn't’t break 
down and re-release.  
   
  In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+ cat 
because she hadn’t lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I shouldn't’t 
be like that).  But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo male that she 
recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what she’s getting into I 
guess.  Also, I can’t believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8!  Of course, I am 
jealous….I would have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8 years.  My 
friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she asked me if I had 
treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo).  That led to a discussion 
where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I could to prevent the FelV 
taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to the right vet?  
Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't decide about this one)?  Were 
people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they are now (with 
supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I first found him
 (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd rather not know the 
answer to this one).  Alas, answers to these questions don't really matter now 
and I know Monkee had a great life…just another subtle instance that makes me 
doubt myself….but this isn’t about me or Monkee, it’s about the fact that the 
B/W female got adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of!  
I’m so happy!
  -Caroline 




  
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Re: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

[glenda Goodman]

Caroline,
 How absolutely lovely! Thank you! These good little
stories help so much to offset all the sad stories out
there. 
Can you imagine how excited this little girl kitty
must be?  
Glenda
--- Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ahhh, Caroline, thanks so much for sharing this
> story.
> 
> You just MADE my day..;)
> 
> 
> Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
> www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
> www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
> www.shadowcats.net
>   "As Cleopatra lay
> in state,
>Faithful Bast at
> her side did wait,
>Purring welcomes
> of soft applause,
>Ever guarding
> with sharpened claws."
>  Trajan
> Tennent
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   - Original Message - 
>   From: Caroline Kaufmann 
>   To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
>   Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:06 PM
>   Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good
> news!
> 
> 
>   Great news!  A while ago, when Monkee was still
> alive, I had posted about a B/W, long-haired,
> docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?)
> who my contact at the no-kill adoption agency had
> picked up from a colony downtown and had gotten
> fixed.  She planned to re-release her, but she
> tested her for FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does),
> and she's Felv+.  So she's had this dilemma about
> what to do and the cat's been living in her bathroom
> since I think at least the end of June because she
> couldn't bring herself to re-release. 
> 
>
> 
>   Anyway, she got adopted last night
>  I couldn't't believe it!!!  She is now living in
> HUGE house in a really expensive part of
> town-basically, she's a rich kitty now!  There's a
> lady who currently has a male 8 yo Felv+ cat.  Her
> son, who's in first grade, told her he wanted a
> kitty.  She told him that they couldn't't get a
> kitty because they have a Felv+ cat.  Somehow, she
> must have contacted the adoption agency and actually
> asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens).  
> My contact took her the cat yesterday, so she got to
> see her huge house.  The lady showed her around and
> then said: "Now, let me show you Baby's room!"  (the
> cat has been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her
> in the b-room).  My friend was like, "What?!  Her
> room?!"   Yep.  She has her OWN bedroom!  Of course,
> Baby will have the run of the house too, since this
> lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own
> separate bedroom.  Apparently, it was all set up
> with her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock.
>  I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn't't
> have to go back outside and live out her life as a
> Downtown Louisville Colony cat., I almost cried. 
> Thank god my contact held onto her and didn't't
> break down and re-release.  
> 
>
> 
>   In further good news, I suspected this lady may
> have wanted another Felv+ cat because she hadn't
> lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I
> shouldn't't be like that).  But apparently, she had
> one other than the 8 yo male that she recently lost-
> so she has been thru it and knows what she's getting
> into I guess.  Also, I can't believe she has a Felv+
> cat that is 8!  Of course, I am jealous..I would
> have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8
> years.  My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on
> Interferon and she asked me if I had treated Monkee
> with that (no- only during chemo).  That led to a
> discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did
> everything I could to prevent the FelV taking over
> while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to
> the right vet?  Was his Vet proactive enough (I
> really can't decide about this one)?  Were people
> proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they
> are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years
> ago when I first found him (questioning whether the
> resources were available- I'd rather not know the
> answer to this one).  Alas, answers to these
> questions don't really matter now and I know Monkee
> had a great life.just another subtle instance that
> makes me doubt myself..but this isn't about me or
> Monkee, it's about the fact that the B/W female got
> adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and
> well-taken care of!  I'm so happy!
> 
>   -Caroline 
> 
> 
> 
>
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RE: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

[Melissa Lind]

Caroline,

 

I loved this story! How wonderful! If only we were all rich and could give
our kitties their own rooms! That is so amazing! I’d love to have hammocks
and toy boxes for my furkids. I think I’ll do something special for them
this weekend. We aren’t rich, but I’m sure we could come up with something
fun. Angel was on top of the cupboards this morning hiding out from the
“scary” (so-she thinks) new kitty which weighs 1/16 of her! That reminded me
that I want to get some cat-walks made for them to prowl around on in the
house. 

 

So happy for Baby though! Glad you posted that story. Try not to
second-guess yourself about Monkee. I know it’s hard, but you did the best
you could with what you knew, with what you had, and you did the best by
Monkee who had a beautiful and happy home. 

 

I forgot to ask, how did your memorial / funeral service go for him? I can’t
remember if you posted about what you ended up doing. Sorry if you did and I
missed it!

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

 

Great news!  A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a
B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my
contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown
and had gotten fixed.  She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for
FeLV+ and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+.  So she’s had this
dilemma about what to do and the cat’s been living in her bathroom since I
think at least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to
re-release. 

 

Anyway, she got adopted last night  I couldn't’t believe
it!!!  She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of
town—basically, she’s a rich kitty now!  There’s a lady who currently has a
male 8 yo Felv+ cat.  Her son, who’s in first grade, told her he wanted a
kitty.  She told him that they couldn't’t get a kitty because they have a
Felv+ cat.  Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and
actually asked for a Felv+ (which usually never happens).   My contact took
her the cat yesterday, so she got to see her huge house.  The lady showed
her around and then said: “Now, let me show you Baby’s room!”  (the cat has
been nicknamed Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room).  My friend was
like, “What?!  Her room?!”   Yep.  She has her OWN bedroom!  Of course, Baby
will have the run of the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but
she also has her own separate bedroom.  Apparently, it was all set up with
her litter box and play toys and kitty-hammock.  I was just so happy to hear
that Baby doesn't’t have to go back outside and live out her life as a
Downtown Louisville Colony cat…, I almost cried.  Thank god my contact held
onto her and didn't’t break down and re-release.  

 

In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+
cat because she hadn’t lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I
shouldn't’t be like that).  But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo
male that she recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what she’s
getting into I guess.  Also, I can’t believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8!
Of course, I am jealous….I would have given anything to have had The Monkee
for 8 years.  My friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she
asked me if I had treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo).  That
led to a discussion where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I
could to prevent the FelV taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e.,
did we go to the right vet?  Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't
decide about this one)?  Were people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats
like they are now (with supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I
first found him (questioning whether the resources were available- I'd
rather not know the answer to this one).  Alas, answers to these questions
don't really matter now and I know Monkee had a great life…just another
subtle instance that makes me doubt myself….but this isn’t about me or
Monkee, it’s about the fact that the B/W female got adopted and is going to
be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of!  I’m so happy!

-Caroline 




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Re: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!

[Susan Dubose]

Ahhh, Caroline, thanks so much for sharing this story.

You just MADE my day..;)


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  - Original Message - 
  From: Caroline Kaufmann 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 1:06 PM
  Subject: Update on Felv+ B/W Female kitty...good news!


  Great news!  A while ago, when Monkee was still alive, I had posted about a 
B/W, long-haired, docile, sweet, female FelV+ cat (maybe a year old?) who my 
contact at the no-kill adoption agency had picked up from a colony downtown and 
had gotten fixed.  She planned to re-release her, but she tested her for FeLV+ 
and FIV (which she never does), and she's Felv+.  So she's had this dilemma 
about what to do and the cat's been living in her bathroom since I think at 
least the end of June because she couldn't bring herself to re-release. 

   

  Anyway, she got adopted last night  I couldn't't believe 
it!!!  She is now living in HUGE house in a really expensive part of 
town-basically, she's a rich kitty now!  There's a lady who currently has a 
male 8 yo Felv+ cat.  Her son, who's in first grade, told her he wanted a 
kitty.  She told him that they couldn't't get a kitty because they have a Felv+ 
cat.  Somehow, she must have contacted the adoption agency and actually asked 
for a Felv+ (which usually never happens).   My contact took her the cat 
yesterday, so she got to see her huge house.  The lady showed her around and 
then said: "Now, let me show you Baby's room!"  (the cat has been nicknamed 
Baby by my friend keeping her in the b-room).  My friend was like, "What?!  Her 
room?!"   Yep.  She has her OWN bedroom!  Of course, Baby will have the run of 
the house too, since this lady has only Felv+ cats, but she also has her own 
separate bedroom.  Apparently, it was all set up with her litter box and play 
toys and kitty-hammock.  I was just so happy to hear that Baby doesn't't have 
to go back outside and live out her life as a Downtown Louisville Colony cat., 
I almost cried.  Thank god my contact held onto her and didn't't break down and 
re-release.  

   

  In further good news, I suspected this lady may have wanted another Felv+ cat 
because she hadn't lost one yet (I know, I was being negative and I shouldn't't 
be like that).  But apparently, she had one other than the 8 yo male that she 
recently lost- so she has been thru it and knows what she's getting into I 
guess.  Also, I can't believe she has a Felv+ cat that is 8!  Of course, I am 
jealous..I would have given anything to have had The Monkee for 8 years.  My 
friend said the lady has her 8 yo on Interferon and she asked me if I had 
treated Monkee with that (no- only during chemo).  That led to a discussion 
where I yet again lamented whether I did everything I could to prevent the FelV 
taking over while Monkee was still healthy, i.e., did we go to the right vet?  
Was his Vet proactive enough (I really can't decide about this one)?  Were 
people proactively treating healthy Felv+ cats like they are now (with 
supplements and Interferon) 4 ½ years ago when I first found him (questioning 
whether the resources were available- I'd rather not know the answer to this 
one).  Alas, answers to these questions don't really matter now and I know 
Monkee had a great life.just another subtle instance that makes me doubt 
myself..but this isn't about me or Monkee, it's about the fact that the B/W 
female got adopted and is going to be a rich-kitty and well-taken care of!  I'm 
so happy!

  -Caroline 



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Oh, how wonderful for Baby!  Your story almost made *ME* cry.  But then,
I'm easy
 
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RE: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc

[Melissa Lind]

Caroline,

 

Wonderful news about your household! You sure have your plate full right now
with these little babies. I have no idea if there is a test for feline
herpes, but my old vet suspected that Bandit has it. He gets a runny eye and
the sneezes about twice a year. It runs its course and goes away. Angel
never got it from him in the past 5 years.

 

One of our foster cats had an eye problem in April. The vet suspected herpes
again. During that time, our youngest, Smokey, also came down with it but in
a milder form. It seems as though she caught it from the foster cat since
she had no symptoms before.

 

I’ve asked the vets’ office for treatments, and they’ve always told me to
let it run its course. That was the old vets’ office. Now that I’m at a new
place that is much more cat-friendly, I’m sure they’ll give me something for
the next outbreak.

 

But, all-in-all, I only know what my vet has said in the past: Bandit
probably has herpes, but it should only affect him a couple times a year
(which it does). He doesn’t seem to come down with it in times of high
stress or anything like that. Seems like it happens more in the winter
months. He’s never passed it on, but I think that another cat has.

 

I’d be interested to know what other people give their kitties since my old
vet never suggested anything (in fact, suggested I don’t do anything).

 

Good luck with the poop, Caroline—hope you have a lot of air fresheners! :-)

 

Melissa

 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 11:56 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: update on sick kittens, questions about URIs, etc

 

Well, I still have 4 kittens in crates at my (tiny) house, and then my one
year old Foster cat Izzee.  One of the kittens, a grey and white male, was
supposed to leave last night to go "on display" at the store, but d*mned if
he didn't come down the sneezing, running nose, water eyes!  Urgh.  I wish I
could have isolated him when he first came to my, but by then, he'd already
been mingled with the other kittens already suffering URIs and already
completely exposed.  Plus he'd been at this volunteer's house running loose
with all the other kittens and adult cats with chronic URIs so there was
probably nothing I could dostill, I feel bad.  So now I have 4 kittens
all on Amoxy and getting a triple antibiotic in their eyes (which I am
almost out of so I ordered some tubes of artificial tear rinse and
Terramycin online).  

 

My little Yoda (the first on I got last Sat.) is so much better, but
yesterday he seemed to have a set back.  He's really snotty.  And it gets
worse when I let him out to play with Izzee because he gets out of breath,
so I limit his time.  

 

Everyone is eating like complete pigs; drinking water and are all pooing and
peeing a TON- I can barely keep up!  I like to take the poo out immediately
because the little rascals lay in it if I don't...but it's hard to keep up!


 

Ears: currently I am using a mixture of organic vegetable oil and organic
distilled white vinegar (per Tad's general suggestion).  I didn't have
measurements so I mixed it into an empty pill bottle and I did 2/3 vegetable
oil and less than a 1/3 vinegar (rough estimate).  It seems to work good at
loosening the wax and getting it to come up to the outer ear, where I can
work on getting it out later.  Only thing is their poor little fur around
their head/ears gets greasy!  I do wipe them with wet wipes afterwards- I am
also still working on getting rid of the "smell" they had on them from that
volunteer's house.  I did find the ear solution my vet had me use on
Monkee's excessively waxy (way down in the canal) ears-- Malacetic Otic-
online, so I ordered a bottle.  But I will stick to the oil/vinegar
concoction for now while their ears are so bad.

 

I found out more about them: apparently they are all "orphans" from our
Metro Animal Control that were going to be euthanized, but Metro called the
volunteer for this group and she went and got them; took them to her house
and mingled them with her already out of control, arguably sickly adult
population.  So, they just have so many strikes against them: losing their
mothers too young (when they should still be nursing and getting those
antibodies); and they also went to Metro-- which is bad for any cat, much
less a kitten.  That, in and of itself, could have killed them just because
of the disease exposure.

 

Now for the questions: how long can they suffer from these URIs?  Is there
at point at which, even tho they are eating, etc., but they are still
sneezing and snotty, that they need to see a vet?  Is it possible some need
a different antibiotic?  How will I know when it's time to see the Vet?  As
of tomorrow night, Yoda will have been on Amoxy for 7 days...

 

How can you tell which virus is causing the URI symptoms?  I read that
feline herpes can cause it and I am thinking they may have this?  

Re: Update on Olive: Not good...

[catatonya]

Megan,
   
  People on this list have very different ideas as to whether or not to let 
their cats die naturally or to euthanize.  You have to do what feels right to 
you in your own heart.  When my cats are suffering I euthanize.  And if people 
'could' be euthanized it is what I would choose for myself.
   
  It's a hard decision, but one you have to make yourself based on your own 
feelings.
   
  tonya

Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell 
you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and 
I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them 
pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it. It may not be 
pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once 
the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't 
think you feel much of anything. Of course I have never died, that is 
just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who 
insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do 
for them, I don't think that is always the case. I personally would 
never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.

> You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for her 
> sake. You will see her suffer.

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Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Belinda]

   This is totally and absolutely incorrect

but warned me that it usually only works a couple times because an immunity 
develops
please ask him to do some research on this, I know from experience of my 
own cat and hundreds of people on the anemia list with cats getting 
epogen, procrit and the news drug for anemia, starts with an A and I 
can't think of the name right now, that it is less than 30% of cats that 
may develope a reaction and then only after an average of 4 or more 
months of bein on the drug!  AND when that happens your just 
basically back where you started and the epogen doesn't work anymore.


As I said Bailey was on it 6 MONTHS with NO problems, sorry to yell but 
it seems like nobody is listening half the time and a cats life is at 
stake


So . try and possibly save your cat  don't try and your cat dies 
FOR SURE, for me the choice is very easy.


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Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Taylor Scobie Humphrey]

Oh, Megan, it is so hard to know what to do!  I'm praying (and so are  
my kitties) for you, the doctors and little Olive, too, to be able to  
make the right decision for her.  Sleeping on it really does work and  
may somehow clear your head for the decisions you all have to make.   
Please have a peaceful night and know that we are all dreaming about  
the best care for little Olive along with you.


Love,

Tee 'n' the Wildlife


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 and Physicality is its
 Manifestation."


On Aug 31, 2007, at 9:26 AM, Megan Heikkinen wrote:


Dilemma, dilemma...

Last night, I was pretty much resigned to letting Olive pass. Not  
happily
resigned, now, for I cried for hours and then couldn't sleep. I had  
actually
typed up a huge email about my reasoning a few minutes ago, but I  
just got off

the phone with my vet, and now I'm once again lost as to what to do.

First off, I want to mention that my vet does actually seem to want  
to help,
he just doesn't think much will come of it and doesn't want to give  
me false
hope. Apparently, he wrote down my number wrong last night, which  
is why I

never got a return call.

I asked about the reticulocyte count. She had some last week, but  
it was so
low that they considered it nonregenerative anemia. Apparently, she  
had also
received two shots of steroids along with the transfusion. This  
worries me,
because the transfusion started wearing off only after 5 days, when  
it usually
lasts around 10 days. The shots seemed to help within the first  
couple of

days, but then wore off. I also asked if haemobartonella was still a
possibility, and he thought it might be. He is going to find out  
the price of
getting a combo of doxy with something else that can be given in a  
form other
than pills. He said he'd be willing to try epogen, but warned me  
that it

usually only works a couple times because an immunity develops.

I called the vet school about the price, but had to leave a  
message. I asked

my vet about it, and he reassured me that their given price was indeed
$2000-3000. He isn't sure what it entails, though I'm assuming it's  
everything
under the sun, and that kind of scares me. I don't want to subject  
Olive to a

million tests...

So, I'm facing this huge problem now. While I would of course love  
to save
Olive, I don't know if it's really going to do any good. And yeah,  
trying to
do something may be better than doing nothing at all. But I'm not  
sure. I
don't want to put her through this stage of slowly dying again, for  
the third
time. I don't know if she'll even be helped unless she can get  
another blood
transfusion, and if I do that at my vet, I'll have to use Juniper  
as a donor.

That scares me. I don't really have time to look elsewhere, though.

I wish someone could just give me the answer, but I know that  
ultimately it is
up to me. I wish I was stronger, and not the most indecisive fool  
on the
planet. One of my biggest concerns is that if I do manage to keep  
Olive alive,
my other two babies will continue to be susceptible to this  
godforsaken virus.



= Original Message From Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I  
can tell
you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of  
pain and

I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them
pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it.  It may  
not be

pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once
the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I  
don't
think you feel much of anything.  Of course I have never died,  
that is

just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who
insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you  
can do

for them, I don't think that is always the case.  I personally would
never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.

You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that  
far for

her sake.  You will see her suffer.


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RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Melissa Lind]

Megan, I'm sorry that I can't help you! I understand your pain and
frustration. It's a horrible place to be in when you don't know which way to
go. Yes, ignorance is bliss, but you will benefit from this down the road
even though it seems more appealing to be in the dark. You'll be a stronger,
better, more compassionate and aware person of your world and your
surroundings. I hate going through these situations. I think, "This can't be
happening. I just want it all to go away." But, it won't, and although this
list has caused you more stress, take peace in knowing that whatever you
decide, you based your choices on education--and that is a wonderful thing. 

 

Education and learning is power. Can you tell I've been a teacher? If you're
thoughts and ideas and ways of thinking are never challenged, then you'll
never form your own beliefs for your own reasons. If you make this decision
on your own, with your own knowledge that you've gained, you form your own
beliefs in the process and reaffirm your morals and life views. This is what
makes you who you are and builds your character (to use a cliché).  

 

I know none of this helps you right now. I’m sorry. I wish I could take your
pain away. Hugs and prayers to you and Olive.

 

Melissa

 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:08 PM
To: felvtalk; wendy
Subject: RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

 

I am endlessly conflicted. I think I'll have resigned myself to something, 

then I'll change my mind, then I decide to do something else, and then I get


on here and feel horrible for not doing anything, so I feel like I really
need 

to now. I have to admit, the list has been helpful, but it's also been
causing 

me a lot of stress. If I had never known about this group, then I could've 

just accepted the vet's word and been better able to cope with Olive's
death. 

Now I feel like I'm little better than a murderer. It's no fault of you all.
I 

just sort of wish I hadn't joined the list sometimes... It's making it so
much 

harder to not do anything.

 

I don't know why you brought up the doxy shot. That was never offered to me
as 

an option... The problem with putting her on any meds is that she is going
to 

have to have another transfusion, and it will probably have to be today. I 

don't know if my vet called around for blood--I think he might've called a
few 

places--but a lot of the vets around here don't seem to have donors. I
called 

about five other ones, and only one actually had a donor cat, and they
didn't 

even know its type. The vet school has blood, but they won't send it to
other 

vets. And I cannot afford going there.

 

It's getting to the point where I'm going to be too late to help Olive. I
want 

to help her, I really really do, but this is something that I obviously
can't 

handle. I don't have tons of money, and I don't have tons of time because of


classes. I'm also inexperienced in matters like this. Nobody is helping me, 

really, and it's making me have a nervous breakdown.

 

>= Original Message From wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =

>Hey Megan,

 

Make sure you do research on the doxy shot.  The protocol for hemobaronella
is 

3 weeks of consecutive treatment with pills (not sure of the dosage).  How 

long will a doxy shot last?  I would pill her instead, especially if your
vet 

doesn't know much about hemobart.  I've never heard of just doing a doxy
shot 

and nothing else.  If he is doing the doxy shot in conjuntion with pills,
and 

the treatment will last AT LEAST three weeks, that might be ok.

 

Immunity doesn't always develop with Epogen.  If it's hemobart, and the doxy


works which it should, is Epogen necessary?  Anyone have any ideas on this?
I 

would do research on this as well.  The stats for immunity to Epogen I think


are 1 in 3 cats, but not sure on this.  Still, if Olive needs it and is
going 

to die without RBC's, I think a 33% chance of reaction is not a bad
statistic.

 

Why is it up to you to find a blood donor for your kitty?  We don't go
looking 

for a donor when we need blood.  Can't your vet call around and see if he
can 

find some blood at another vet's?  Or can you call around and see if any
vet's 

have a donor cat that they keep around?  Many do.

 

I can't say I'm 100% positive on this, but the chance that your other two
are 

still at risk is small because one, they all came from the same litter, and 

I'm betting Olive got it from momma, and two, even if not, chances are
they've 

already been exposed and I'm pretty 

Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Susan Dubose]

When I worked @ the Austin Humane Society, we had blood donors w/our dogs & 
cats all the time.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
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- Original Message - 
From: "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 11:50 AM
Subject: Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...


Hey Megan,

Make sure you do research on the doxy shot.  The protocol for hemobaronella 
is 3 weeks of consecutive treatment with pills (not sure of the dosage). 
How long will a doxy shot last?  I would pill her instead, especially if 
your vet doesn't know much about hemobart.  I've never heard of just doing a 
doxy shot and nothing else.  If he is doing the doxy shot in conjuntion with 
pills, and the treatment will last AT LEAST three weeks, that might be ok.

Immunity doesn't always develop with Epogen.  If it's hemobart, and the doxy 
works which it should, is Epogen necessary?  Anyone have any ideas on this? 
I would do research on this as well.  The stats for immunity to Epogen I 
think are 1 in 3 cats, but not sure on this.  Still, if Olive needs it and 
is going to die without RBC's, I think a 33% chance of reaction is not a bad 
statistic.

Why is it up to you to find a blood donor for your kitty?  We don't go 
looking for a donor when we need blood.  Can't your vet call around and see 
if he can find some blood at another vet's?  Or can you call around and see 
if any vet's have a donor cat that they keep around?  Many do.

I can't say I'm 100% positive on this, but the chance that your other two 
are still at risk is small because one, they all came from the same litter, 
and I'm betting Olive got it from momma, and two, even if not, chances are 
they've already been exposed and I'm pretty sure they can't be exposed twice 
to the same strain.  Not enough is known on strains yet.

:)
Wendy

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~




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Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Marylyn]

When you are not conflicted and at peace you will have the right decision. 
As long as you are struggling you have not found the answer that is right 
for you and Olive.


Further, if you make the decision to do nothing and it is an informed 
decision (one I have made and I know it is hard to accept) you are in fact 
doing something.  And you are not a murderer.


Give Olive the longest, best quality life you can.  The operative word is 
quality.







If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
from the shelter of 
compassion and pity, you will have men who
will deal likewise with 
their fellow man.
 St. 
Francis
- Original Message - 
From: "Megan Heikkinen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "felvtalk" ; "wendy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 1:07 PM
Subject: RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...



I am endlessly conflicted. I think I'll have resigned myself to something,
then I'll change my mind, then I decide to do something else, and then I 
get
on here and feel horrible for not doing anything, so I feel like I really 
need
to now. I have to admit, the list has been helpful, but it's also been 
causing

me a lot of stress. If I had never known about this group, then I could've
just accepted the vet's word and been better able to cope with Olive's 
death.
Now I feel like I'm little better than a murderer. It's no fault of you 
all. I
just sort of wish I hadn't joined the list sometimes... It's making it so 
much

harder to not do anything.

I don't know why you brought up the doxy shot. That was never offered to 
me as
an option... The problem with putting her on any meds is that she is going 
to

have to have another transfusion, and it will probably have to be today. I
don't know if my vet called around for blood--I think he might've called a 
few
places--but a lot of the vets around here don't seem to have donors. I 
called
about five other ones, and only one actually had a donor cat, and they 
didn't
even know its type. The vet school has blood, but they won't send it to 
other

vets. And I cannot afford going there.

It's getting to the point where I'm going to be too late to help Olive. I 
want
to help her, I really really do, but this is something that I obviously 
can't
handle. I don't have tons of money, and I don't have tons of time because 
of
classes. I'm also inexperienced in matters like this. Nobody is helping 
me,

really, and it's making me have a nervous breakdown.


= Original Message From wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
Hey Megan,


Make sure you do research on the doxy shot.  The protocol for 
hemobaronella is

3 weeks of consecutive treatment with pills (not sure of the dosage).  How
long will a doxy shot last?  I would pill her instead, especially if your 
vet
doesn't know much about hemobart.  I've never heard of just doing a doxy 
shot
and nothing else.  If he is doing the doxy shot in conjuntion with pills, 
and

the treatment will last AT LEAST three weeks, that might be ok.

Immunity doesn't always develop with Epogen.  If it's hemobart, and the 
doxy
works which it should, is Epogen necessary?  Anyone have any ideas on 
this?  I
would do research on this as well.  The stats for immunity to Epogen I 
think
are 1 in 3 cats, but not sure on this.  Still, if Olive needs it and is 
going
to die without RBC's, I think a 33% chance of reaction is not a bad 
statistic.


Why is it up to you to find a blood donor for your kitty?  We don't go 
looking
for a donor when we need blood.  Can't your vet call around and see if he 
can
find some blood at another vet's?  Or can you call around and see if any 
vet's

have a donor cat that they keep around?  Many do.

I can't say I'm 100% positive on this, but the chance that your other two 
are
still at risk is small because one, they all came from the same litter, 
and
I'm betting Olive got it from momma, and two, even if not, chances are 
they've
already been exposed and I'm pretty sure they can't be exposed twice to 
the

same strain.  Not enough is known on strains yet.

:)
Wendy

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can 
change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~




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Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Sally Davis]

Oops guys I was trying to look up spelling of hepatic and hit send. I will
complete the email here.

That cat was Pumpkin, Junior had already been treated for anemia and
lethargy. Pumkinwas hiding symptoms so I was not aware how sick he was.
Pumpkin crashed at the vets office and I could not bear to put him though
more. Meanwhile I had Junior who although appeared better I was very
concerned about Pumpkin dying from anemia. I took Junior back to the vet he
had a fever of 106.5. They did fluids an asked to do e felv test. I ok'd he
was negative 5 months Oralie. This time positive. I am in panic mode bc I
have 10 cats still and like yourself little money to spend.

I decided not to euthanize Junior, but to see what I could do and I found
this group. Juniors anaemia did get better he was treated with Baytril a
strong antibiotic. I cannot remember how long but maybe 10 days to 2 weeks.

I had all the cats tested after a lot of work. I had two other positives and
both are now dead one euthanized and the other died suddenly at home. He
never had any of the usual symptoms.

I am not saying this to scare you. I think you can treat for hemobartonella
and do the immunoregulin fairly inexpensively. Treat any infections that
come along aggressively and get him on immune boosters. This is basically
what I did with Junior and it is now almost 1 year form DX. I am not a rich
person but this is doable.

Good luck, my prayers are  with you.

Sally




On 8/31/07, Sally Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Megan,
>
> Everyday I get on the computer. I first look to see how Olive is doing. I
> so want her to have some good quality time with you. There are others on
> this group that may be more experienced with this disease than I, but I
> wound up on a very fast learning curve with one cat initially dying from
> unknown anemia and probably hemapatic lipodosis
>
>
>  On 8/31/07, Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Dilemma, dilemma...
> >
>

Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Sally Davis]

Hi Megan,

Everyday I get on the computer. I first look to see how Olive is doing. I so
want her to have some good quality time with you. There are others on this
group that may be more experienced with this disease than I, but I wound up
on a very fast learning curve with one cat initially dying from unknown
anemia and probably hemapatic lipodosis


On 8/31/07, Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Dilemma, dilemma...
>
> Last night, I was pretty much resigned to letting Olive pass. Not happily
> resigned, now, for I cried for hours and then couldn't sleep. I had
> actually
> typed up a huge email about my reasoning a few minutes ago, but I just got
> off
> the phone with my vet, and now I'm once again lost as to what to do.
>
> First off, I want to mention that my vet does actually seem to want to
> help,
> he just doesn't think much will come of it and doesn't want to give me
> false
> hope. Apparently, he wrote down my number wrong last night, which is why I
> never got a return call.
>
> I asked about the reticulocyte count. She had some last week, but it was
> so
> low that they considered it nonregenerative anemia. Apparently, she had
> also
> received two shots of steroids along with the transfusion. This worries
> me,
> because the transfusion started wearing off only after 5 days, when it
> usually
> lasts around 10 days. The shots seemed to help within the first couple of
> days, but then wore off. I also asked if haemobartonella was still a
> possibility, and he thought it might be. He is going to find out the price
> of
> getting a combo of doxy with something else that can be given in a form
> other
> than pills. He said he'd be willing to try epogen, but warned me that it
> usually only works a couple times because an immunity develops.
>
> I called the vet school about the price, but had to leave a message. I
> asked
> my vet about it, and he reassured me that their given price was indeed
> $2000-3000. He isn't sure what it entails, though I'm assuming it's
> everything
> under the sun, and that kind of scares me. I don't want to subject Olive
> to a
> million tests...
>
> So, I'm facing this huge problem now. While I would of course love to save
> Olive, I don't know if it's really going to do any good. And yeah, trying
> to
> do something may be better than doing nothing at all. But I'm not sure. I
> don't want to put her through this stage of slowly dying again, for the
> third
> time. I don't know if she'll even be helped unless she can get another
> blood
> transfusion, and if I do that at my vet, I'll have to use Juniper as a
> donor.
> That scares me. I don't really have time to look elsewhere, though.
>
> I wish someone could just give me the answer, but I know that ultimately
> it is
> up to me. I wish I was stronger, and not the most indecisive fool on the
> planet. One of my biggest concerns is that if I do manage to keep Olive
> alive,
> my other two babies will continue to be susceptible to this godforsaken
> virus.
>
> >= Original Message From Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
> >I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell
> >you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and
> >I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them
> >pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it.  It may not be
> >pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once
> >the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't
> >think you feel much of anything.  Of course I have never died, that is
> >just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who
> >insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do
> >for them, I don't think that is always the case.  I personally would
> >never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.
> >
> >> You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far
> for
> her sake.  You will see her suffer.
> >
> >--
> >
> >Belinda
> >happiness is being owned by cats ...
> >
> >Be-Mi-Kitties
> >http://bemikitties.com
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>


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RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Megan Heikkinen]

I am endlessly conflicted. I think I'll have resigned myself to something, 
then I'll change my mind, then I decide to do something else, and then I get 
on here and feel horrible for not doing anything, so I feel like I really need 
to now. I have to admit, the list has been helpful, but it's also been causing 
me a lot of stress. If I had never known about this group, then I could've 
just accepted the vet's word and been better able to cope with Olive's death. 
Now I feel like I'm little better than a murderer. It's no fault of you all. I 
just sort of wish I hadn't joined the list sometimes... It's making it so much 
harder to not do anything.

I don't know why you brought up the doxy shot. That was never offered to me as 
an option... The problem with putting her on any meds is that she is going to 
have to have another transfusion, and it will probably have to be today. I 
don't know if my vet called around for blood--I think he might've called a few 
places--but a lot of the vets around here don't seem to have donors. I called 
about five other ones, and only one actually had a donor cat, and they didn't 
even know its type. The vet school has blood, but they won't send it to other 
vets. And I cannot afford going there.

It's getting to the point where I'm going to be too late to help Olive. I want 
to help her, I really really do, but this is something that I obviously can't 
handle. I don't have tons of money, and I don't have tons of time because of 
classes. I'm also inexperienced in matters like this. Nobody is helping me, 
really, and it's making me have a nervous breakdown.

>= Original Message From wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>Hey Megan,

Make sure you do research on the doxy shot.  The protocol for hemobaronella is 
3 weeks of consecutive treatment with pills (not sure of the dosage).  How 
long will a doxy shot last?  I would pill her instead, especially if your vet 
doesn't know much about hemobart.  I've never heard of just doing a doxy shot 
and nothing else.  If he is doing the doxy shot in conjuntion with pills, and 
the treatment will last AT LEAST three weeks, that might be ok.

Immunity doesn't always develop with Epogen.  If it's hemobart, and the doxy 
works which it should, is Epogen necessary?  Anyone have any ideas on this?  I 
would do research on this as well.  The stats for immunity to Epogen I think 
are 1 in 3 cats, but not sure on this.  Still, if Olive needs it and is going 
to die without RBC's, I think a 33% chance of reaction is not a bad statistic.

Why is it up to you to find a blood donor for your kitty?  We don't go looking 
for a donor when we need blood.  Can't your vet call around and see if he can 
find some blood at another vet's?  Or can you call around and see if any vet's 
have a donor cat that they keep around?  Many do.

I can't say I'm 100% positive on this, but the chance that your other two are 
still at risk is small because one, they all came from the same litter, and 
I'm betting Olive got it from momma, and two, even if not, chances are they've 
already been exposed and I'm pretty sure they can't be exposed twice to the 
same strain.  Not enough is known on strains yet.

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


   
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Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Tad Burnett]

Megan
  Let me complicate things a bit more but perhaps it will help too...
Anemia isn't just the cat feeling sleepy... It is all the organs dyeing
because the blood can't feed them without the red blood cells...
If you are going to try and save Olive you have to stick a stake in the
ground and go with it now
 I think the odds are that Olive won't make a full recovery no matter
how much you spend and if you only keep her alive to live in a hospital
cage away from you... is that what you want ???
 Now this is my personal decision...
There are so many really wonderful kittens that test positive every day
and are still healthy and enjoying life as much as any cat does and they
get put to sleep on the spot just because of the test
 I know you have formed a bond with Olive but I bet she would forgive
you for letting her go if she knew that you were saving the life of another
kitty that still has time left to enjoy life...
  In five years I have had 31 FeLV+ cats and have buried 21 of them...
And I have cried 21 times but there have been 31 times that I have felt
a great joy in knowing I have saved a life very often the same day that
I picked the cat up
I have spent a lot on vet bills in that time but I think the $3000 estimate
would cover my 5 years time with my FeLV kitties

Just something to think about
Tad


Megan Heikkinen wrote:


Dilemma, dilemma...

Last night, I was pretty much resigned to letting Olive pass. Not happily 
resigned, now, for I cried for hours and then couldn't sleep. I had actually 
typed up a huge email about my reasoning a few minutes ago, but I just got off 
the phone with my vet, and now I'm once again lost as to what to do.


First off, I want to mention that my vet does actually seem to want to help, 
he just doesn't think much will come of it and doesn't want to give me false 
hope. Apparently, he wrote down my number wrong last night, which is why I 
never got a return call.


I asked about the reticulocyte count. She had some last week, but it was so 
low that they considered it nonregenerative anemia. Apparently, she had also 
received two shots of steroids along with the transfusion. This worries me, 
because the transfusion started wearing off only after 5 days, when it usually 
lasts around 10 days. The shots seemed to help within the first couple of 
days, but then wore off. I also asked if haemobartonella was still a 
possibility, and he thought it might be. He is going to find out the price of 
getting a combo of doxy with something else that can be given in a form other 
than pills. He said he'd be willing to try epogen, but warned me that it 
usually only works a couple times because an immunity develops.


I called the vet school about the price, but had to leave a message. I asked 
my vet about it, and he reassured me that their given price was indeed 
$2000-3000. He isn't sure what it entails, though I'm assuming it's everything 
under the sun, and that kind of scares me. I don't want to subject Olive to a 
million tests...


So, I'm facing this huge problem now. While I would of course love to save 
Olive, I don't know if it's really going to do any good. And yeah, trying to 
do something may be better than doing nothing at all. But I'm not sure. I 
don't want to put her through this stage of slowly dying again, for the third 
time. I don't know if she'll even be helped unless she can get another blood 
transfusion, and if I do that at my vet, I'll have to use Juniper as a donor. 
That scares me. I don't really have time to look elsewhere, though.


I wish someone could just give me the answer, but I know that ultimately it is 
up to me. I wish I was stronger, and not the most indecisive fool on the 
planet. One of my biggest concerns is that if I do manage to keep Olive alive, 
my other two babies will continue to be susceptible to this godforsaken virus.


 


= Original Message From Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell
you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and
I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them
pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it.  It may not be
pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once
the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't
think you feel much of anything.  Of course I have never died, that is
just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who
insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do
for them, I don't think that is always the case.  I personally would
never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.

   

You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for 
 


her sake.  You will see her suffer.
 


--

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Re: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[wendy]

Hey Megan,

Make sure you do research on the doxy shot.  The protocol for hemobaronella is 
3 weeks of consecutive treatment with pills (not sure of the dosage).  How long 
will a doxy shot last?  I would pill her instead, especially if your vet 
doesn't know much about hemobart.  I've never heard of just doing a doxy shot 
and nothing else.  If he is doing the doxy shot in conjuntion with pills, and 
the treatment will last AT LEAST three weeks, that might be ok.  

Immunity doesn't always develop with Epogen.  If it's hemobart, and the doxy 
works which it should, is Epogen necessary?  Anyone have any ideas on this?  I 
would do research on this as well.  The stats for immunity to Epogen I think 
are 1 in 3 cats, but not sure on this.  Still, if Olive needs it and is going 
to die without RBC's, I think a 33% chance of reaction is not a bad statistic.

Why is it up to you to find a blood donor for your kitty?  We don't go looking 
for a donor when we need blood.  Can't your vet call around and see if he can 
find some blood at another vet's?  Or can you call around and see if any vet's 
have a donor cat that they keep around?  Many do.

I can't say I'm 100% positive on this, but the chance that your other two are 
still at risk is small because one, they all came from the same litter, and I'm 
betting Olive got it from momma, and two, even if not, chances are they've 
already been exposed and I'm pretty sure they can't be exposed twice to the 
same strain.  Not enough is known on strains yet.

:)
Wendy
 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


   

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RE: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

[Melissa Lind]

Megan,

I feel for you right now, and I'm sending positive thoughts, prayers, vibes,
your way. I hope that you are able to find the right solution for you and
Olive. I'm not really sure what to advise you. As for the bill, I'm not sure
what your financial situation is, but you could check out the IMOM website
where you can apply for funding in you qualify. Here's the site:
www.imom.org

Keep us posted, breathe, and know that whatever happens, you've been such a
wonderful influence in Olive's life. Bless you for all that you do. This
can't be an easy time right now.

Melissa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Megan Heikkinen
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2007 9:26 AM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Update on Olive: Dilemma...

Dilemma, dilemma...

Last night, I was pretty much resigned to letting Olive pass. Not happily 
resigned, now, for I cried for hours and then couldn't sleep. I had actually

typed up a huge email about my reasoning a few minutes ago, but I just got
off 
the phone with my vet, and now I'm once again lost as to what to do.

First off, I want to mention that my vet does actually seem to want to help,

he just doesn't think much will come of it and doesn't want to give me false

hope. Apparently, he wrote down my number wrong last night, which is why I 
never got a return call.

I asked about the reticulocyte count. She had some last week, but it was so 
low that they considered it nonregenerative anemia. Apparently, she had also

received two shots of steroids along with the transfusion. This worries me, 
because the transfusion started wearing off only after 5 days, when it
usually 
lasts around 10 days. The shots seemed to help within the first couple of 
days, but then wore off. I also asked if haemobartonella was still a 
possibility, and he thought it might be. He is going to find out the price
of 
getting a combo of doxy with something else that can be given in a form
other 
than pills. He said he'd be willing to try epogen, but warned me that it 
usually only works a couple times because an immunity develops.

I called the vet school about the price, but had to leave a message. I asked

my vet about it, and he reassured me that their given price was indeed 
$2000-3000. He isn't sure what it entails, though I'm assuming it's
everything 
under the sun, and that kind of scares me. I don't want to subject Olive to
a 
million tests...

So, I'm facing this huge problem now. While I would of course love to save 
Olive, I don't know if it's really going to do any good. And yeah, trying to

do something may be better than doing nothing at all. But I'm not sure. I 
don't want to put her through this stage of slowly dying again, for the
third 
time. I don't know if she'll even be helped unless she can get another blood

transfusion, and if I do that at my vet, I'll have to use Juniper as a
donor. 
That scares me. I don't really have time to look elsewhere, though.

I wish someone could just give me the answer, but I know that ultimately it
is 
up to me. I wish I was stronger, and not the most indecisive fool on the 
planet. One of my biggest concerns is that if I do manage to keep Olive
alive, 
my other two babies will continue to be susceptible to this godforsaken
virus.

>= Original Message From Belinda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> =
>I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell
>you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and
>I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them
>pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it.  It may not be
>pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once
>the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't
>think you feel much of anything.  Of course I have never died, that is
>just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who
>insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do
>for them, I don't think that is always the case.  I personally would
>never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.
>
>> You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for

her sake.  You will see her suffer.
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Re: Update on Olive: Not good...

[Belinda]

I do not all animals or people suffer when they are dying and I can tell 
you for a fact unless any of my furkids are in a great deal of pain and 
I clearly get from them they want help passing I will let all of them 
pass on their own, I personally believe most prefer it.  It may not be 
pretty for me but I don't think they suffer as we think they do, once 
the process gets to a certain point the body goes into shock and I don't 
think you feel much of anything.  Of course I have never died, that is 
just my sense of the process and I could be as right as anyone who 
insists helping an animal pass is the best and kindest thing you can do 
for them, I don't think that is always the case.  I personally would 
never want to be euthanized if that was an option humans had.



You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far for her 
sake.  You will see her suffer.


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Re: Update on Olive: Not good...

[wendy]

Dear Megan,

Most of us here know exactly the heartwrenching decisions that have to be made 
regarding money and care for our kitties.  I would not have $2000 to see the 
veterinary school, and I think it's absolutely dastardly of them to charge that 
type of fee.  What does it include, for heaven's sake?  Please don't feel that 
any of us are going to judge you if you don't go into the hole $2k for 
treatment.  And to be perfectly honest, the anemia is a horrible, horrible 
thing to fight, and most of the time, it does not turn around.  I would still 
put Olive on the doxy, no matter what.  But if she doesn't do better with it, 
and I think it takes a little while to work, then you may have to let her go.  
I am so sorry.  If you want to give her the transfusion and the meds to see 
what will happen, go for it.  But just know it might not work.  The one very 
important thing here is if you can avoid it, and your belief system allows for 
pts, don't wait to let her die on her
 own.  You will regret seeing it and much worse, allowing it to get that far 
for her sake.  You will see her suffer.  The guilt is horrible too.  Caroline 
and I can both attest to that.  Go with your heart, Megan.  And ask Olive what 
she wants.  Search her eyes.  If you need more time and want to do that one 
last thing that might help her, don't feel selfish for doing it.  It will give 
you a few more days with her if it doesn't work, and you can prepare better for 
what might lie ahead.  This has been so fast for both of you, and again, I'm so 
sorry.  It's heartwrenching, even for us here to know you and Olive are going 
through this.

I am glad your other two have tested negative.  That is a blessing.  Only sad 
that Olive's prognosis isn't looking better. Please keep us posted.  We're here 
for you right now.  Prayers going out for healing for little Olive.  And peace 
for you.

:)
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RE: Update on Olive: Not good...

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

I'm so sorry, Megan.  It's always hard, and everybody on this list is
painfully aware that as much as none of us WANTS money to be a
consideration, in fact it VERY often is.  I can't give words of wisdom
here on what to do about nature vs. euthanasia, but I guess the
guideline is, if she's suffering help her along.  It's the final
kindness we can give them, not to let them suffer.  If you don't think
she's in pain or distress, and is likely just to fade peacefully, then
maybe nature's way is best -- I just wouldn't leave her by herself if
possible.  You might want to get some Feliway or Rescue Remedy, which
has a calming effect.   

I'm glad the other two are negative.

Diane R.
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Heikkinen
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 10:42 AM
To: felvtalk
Subject: Update on Olive: Not good...

Fortunately, the other two are negative. Unfortunately, I don't think
Olive is 
going to have much of a chance. The vet told me that her anemia is 
non-regenerative, and this was confirmed by the vet school.
Additionally, she 
is much slower this morning, and if I don't get her another transfusion
today, 
I don't think she'll last past the night, or at the very latest, through

tomorrow. I'm starting to suspect that this is a lost cause. My vet put
in an 
emergency referral to the vet school, but this will cost me $2000. I
simply 
cannot afford that. I have the money at the moment, but I need to save
it up.

Part of me thinks that it might just be easier to let her go, but the
other 
part of me can't stand to let that happen without giving her a chance.
Maybe 
with meds she could be okay, I don't know. Probably not. But maybe; and
it's 
that slight possibility that makes me want to do what I can for her.
Maybe if 
she is given a fresh start on some new blood, she'll be strong enough
that 
meds will actually help her. I kind of doubt this, but like I said, I
want to 
do what I can for her. I don't want to just give up. Though at the same
time, 
I hate putting her through this She is suffering for the second time

within a week, and I feel horrible for it. I wonder if I should just let

nature take its course... Going to the vet again and undergoing sedation
and 
another blood transfusion might just wear her out.

I know that, ultimately, it's my own choice as to what I choose to do. I
could 
get blood from Juniper, but I hate to put her at risk. I also don't know
if it 
would do any real good for Olive, besides perhaps extending her life for

another week. I think I may just let her rest, although I don't know if
I'd 
rather let her go on her own or go the route of euthanasia. I hate to do

either, and I'm not sure which would be optimal.

I feel so completely lost right now.

>= Original Message From glenda Goodman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
=
>Megan, You are a very special young lady. I feel very
>glad you are able to get the best help possible from
>the great people on this list. I see those wheels
>turning in your head. You are going to be successful
>in what ever you do in life.
>Olive is so lucky to have you fighting for her.
>Everyone is going to be wishing the best for your
>other two. If by chance they are neg. this is good for
>Olive too. There is that small chance she could beat
>it. I know this is all very draining on you, but
>please focus on your school work so you do not get
>behind...Maybe somehow, this could make you even more
>functional...sometimes ,under pressure things can kick
>in we did not even know we had, to pull us through.
> The best to all of you! Glenda
>--- Megan Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I guess I figured it was NRA, just because that
>> seems most likely to me. If
>> she tested positive on the IFA, doesn't that mean
>> the infection's spread to
>> her bone marrow, and therefore she can't produce new
>> RBCs? The vet didn't tell
>> me which one it was, but I'll ask tomorrow, if he
>> even knows.
>>
>> Olive did have her blood typed, and she's type A,
>> fortunately. That's what you
>> were asking, right? The reason her brother Kudzu had
>> to give her blood was
>> that there was apparently no blood stored up
>> anywhere nearby. This now seems
>> slightly ridiculous to me, what with the vet school
>> and all. Surely there
>> would be available blood somewhere in Knoxville or
>> the surrounding area.
>> Still, I think Kudzu would've had to have been used
>> regardless at the time,
>> because Olive would probably have died within a few
>> hours if not for the
>> transfusion. Her packed cell count had gotten down
>> to 4.5%.
>>
>> As for how she's doing today She's still up and
>> active, behaving pretty
>> normally. She does seem slightly slower today,
>> unfortunately, and the
>> coloration in her pads has gone down. Although, I
>> think they may actually look
>> a bit better now than they did earlier today. I
>> don't know, it may just be my
>> imaginat

Re: Update 08/24/07

[Susan Dubose]

Ahhh, thanks so much, Michael, for the great update!

Yes, they will eat less of the Evo because it has a higher content of meat.

Grains are pretty much just "fillers",especially for cats.

As for the Elegant Medleys, I think they are good for the Missing Link due to 
they have the veggies in them, which help shide the ML..

Make sense?

This is something that I do also, I open 3 cans in the morning, divide up into 
6 bowls.

I add the Lysine,then the Link & then I fill the empty cans half full w/water 
(getting all the leftover gravy) and add it to their breakfast.

I stir it around.

This helps 2 ways, it creates more kitty juice (Mm, gravy...) for 
them and they love the broth, and also it helps them get important fluids.

They cannot have too much water.

Even if they lap up all the broth but don't eat the meat, I don't care, because 
the broth has all of their vitamins anyway, make sense?

I usually leave their bowls out for about 5 to 6 hours, then whatever is left 
gets tossed.

At night I open 1 or 2 cans, same thing, add the supplements & more water.

I hope this helps, and please post what your new vet @ UT tells you after your 
appointment, I am anxious to hear especially about the "supportive care".

Thanks & have a great weekend!

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:57 PM
  Subject: Update 08/24/07


  Update for the day:

  I spoke with my vet today at Creekside, and surprisingly enough he was very 
receptive and wrote the referrals for UT.  They have an appointment on Tuesday, 
September 11 for, as Dr. Dolen wrote, "FeLV workup and medical supportive 
therapy."  It gives me some hope.  We'll see.  Ideally, I'll be able to consult 
with UT at least twice a year, and use the very close vet for emergent 
situations and maintenance.  The girls continue to eat the fancy feast with the 
Lysine and Missing Link supplements in it.  They actually didn't seem to mind 
it at all.  They're working on the conversion to the Innova EVO dry food.  
Right now it's about 80% Purina naturals and 20% EVO.  They're eating it, but a 
bit slower than they were the Purina Naturals alone, but this is normal from 
what I read?

  I'm also looking into buying a thermometer, as a temperature is one of the 
early warning signs of infection. I've done my research, and found the WNL 
temperature for a cat is 100.5 to 102.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and the heart rate 
is 140-220. (This site has great information on it: 
http://www.cathelp-online.com/emergency/vitals.php). I really am hoping I can 
give them many more years with very careful care and attention.  Do you guys 
have any thoughts on thermometers?  I've found this one 
(http://www.pet-temp.com/pet_temp.htm) ,  any of you own one or have a better 
recommendation for an ear canal thermometer?  I am really 95% positive they 
absolutely would not tolerate a rectal thermometer.

  Also, I just wanted to mention that I recently looked over the FeLV Fund 
store, and just loved the "Feline Leukemia is NOT a death sentence" and "There 
is LIFE with Feline Leukemia" messages.  It provides hope.  You all know I've 
had a rough time with this, and that's a message I needed.  I'm going to order 
the license plate frame!  Thanks for everything guys, and I'll email again when 
I have an update.

  Michael





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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[catatonya]

You could put them on interferon.  Some people have had success with this.  
also transfer factor if that hasn't been mentioned.
  tonya

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do you all 
think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys?  
There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so 
they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to 
expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to 
them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch 
over to something with no grains and high proteins.  I'm going to look for the 
Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it.  I'll be sure to look for 
something with no grains tomorrow. 
  
As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine 
and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.  I'm hoping 
they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so that makes me 
feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the supplements, are those 
the only two recommended, or is there something else?  And do you guys mix that 
in the dry food, or in their wet food?  Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, 
and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is 
here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been 
living here on and off). 
   
  They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated 
Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with 
her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this vet office 
treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them 
to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I looked up the 
hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a 
year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it 
looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/  The vet's office bothered me 
because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA 
test.  They just said she had it, period.  That didn't sit well with me.
   
  I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this 
very hard.  But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care 
possible. 
   
  Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys:
  
1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok?
2. Dry food...brand recommendations
  3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do 
you put it in wet or dry food?
  4. Treatment options?  Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in 
healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic?  
   
  Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received.  It 
really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the situation, 
and I'm not just completely helpless.
   
  Michael
   




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Re: Update 08/24/07

[wendy]

Michael,

I'm glad your vet was receptive to the referral.  That's great!  I don't have 
any help with the thermometer.  I try to use our ear one on our cats without 
much success.  

:)
Wendy
 
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From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:57:16 PM
Subject: Update 08/24/07


Update for the day:

I spoke with my vet today at Creekside, and surprisingly enough he was very 
receptive and wrote the referrals for UT.  They have an appointment on Tuesday, 
September 11 for, as Dr. Dolen wrote, "FeLV workup and medical supportive 
therapy."  It gives me some hope.  We'll see.  Ideally, I'll be able to consult 
with UT at least twice a year, and use the very close vet for emergent 
situations and maintenance.  The girls continue to eat the fancy feast with the 
Lysine and Missing Link supplements in it.  They actually didn't seem to mind 
it at all.  They're working on the conversion to the Innova EVO dry food.  
Right now it's about 80% Purina naturals and 20% EVO.  They're eating it, but a 
bit slower than they were the Purina Naturals alone, but this is normal from 
what I read?
 
I'm also looking into buying a thermometer, as a temperature is one of the 
early warning signs of infection. I've done my research, and found the WNL 
temperature for a cat is 100.5 to 102.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and the heart rate 
is 140-220. (This site has great information on it: 
http://www.cathelp-online.com/emergency/vitals.php). I really am hoping I can 
give them many more years with very careful care and attention.  Do you guys 
have any thoughts on thermometers?  I've found this one 
(http://www.pet-temp.com/pet_temp.htm) ,  any of you own one or have a better 
recommendation for an ear canal thermometer?  I am really 95% positive they 
absolutely would not tolerate a rectal thermometer.
 
Also, I just wanted to mention that I recently looked over the FeLV Fund store, 
and just loved the "Feline Leukemia is NOT a death sentence" and "There is LIFE 
with Feline Leukemia" messages.  It provides hope.  You all know I've had a 
rough time with this, and that's a message I needed.  I'm going to order the 
license plate frame!  Thanks for everything guys, and I'll email again when I 
have an update.
 
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Re: Update 08/23/07

[catatonya]

I agree.  IF your other cat has been vaccinated I would not bother separating 
at this point.  If she is not vaccinated I would separate her until you get in 
her vacc. and booster, and maybe a little longer.  How old is she? How long was 
she with your positives?
   
  I would not worry about bleaching food bowls if you feel a need to do so.  I 
have positives and negatives mixed together and they use the same dishes.  
If/when you use bleach to clean, just dilute it a bit, rinse well and let the 
dishes dry well before using them.  Drying out in the sunshine is best if 
possible when using bleach.
   
  tonya

wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  Hey Michael,
   
  If they won't eat the wet Evo, you can mix it with some baby food (Del Monte 
or Beech Nut are good, chicken flavor or any of the meats) and maybe the can be 
switched over that way.
   
  Some people might not agree with me, but I think at this point, Penelope has 
already been exposed (how long were they living together before the 
diagnosis?).  If she was, she has thrown the virus.  Adult cats are very 
resistant against the virus from what we've seen here.  How old are all your 
furbabies?  I would be surprised if Grizzabella gave it to Poppy.  Did you have 
Poppy tested when you first adopted him?  It's possible they both already had 
it when you adopted them.  I never separated mine.  Cricket was our positive 
and Julie, LuLu, and Pepper are my negatives.  They lived together two years 
before I knew about the diagnosis, and two years after.  They shared the same 
litter box and food/water bowls.  No one ever became positive.  The infrared 
collars are a good idea, but honestly Michael, it's probably a moot point.  I 
can't swear by it, but I would live by it.  I would really be careful about the 
bleaching of food and water bowls.  In fact, I wouldn't.  I would
 be so scared that I was slowly poisoning them.  I would ask about that as a 
subject specifically.
   
  Let us know how the vet visit/referral goes.
   
  :)
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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

Yes, my felv+cats get moist BID but the rest of the gang does not, @ least not 
right now.

I fed them moist in the old house, but when we moved into this new place 3 
months ago, serving the rest of cats moist was a challenge, and I still am 
working on the logistics. (I used to feed them in the kitchen in the old house, 
they don't have kitchen privileges anymore:(

Funny, I have the food ( like I said earlier, I am paranoid about running out 
of cat food) before I moved I "stocked" up their room w/ 20 cases of Wellness 
(lg 13oz cans), 8 cases of Pet Guard, 5 of Evo & 5 of reg. Innova..

When I feed it takes 4 to 5 of the large cans to fulfill their moist food 
desires.

Yes, Jonathan would probably lay an egg if he knew how much I spend on 
catsOuch.

Between the high dollar foods, the vets, the ferals & donations to friends in 
need ( cat rescue), etc

Mommy's little secret..Sh...


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www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
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  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 6:54 PM
  Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


  Susan,

  I think of Univ. of Texas too...lol.  

  Yes, 15 lbs. of dry lasts one month, however, that's mixed in with wet foods, 
baby foods for Julie, boiled chicken, chicken broth, etc.  I guess mine are 
just a wee bit spoiled.  I'd hate to admit to myself, or to my husband for that 
matter, how much we really spend on kitty food!

  :)
  Wendy
   
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~

Re: Update 08/23/07

[Susan Dubose]

Hi Michael,

I will have to say I agree w/ Wendy

I would just vaccinate Penny, and continue on.

She has already had an exposure to the virus, but once again, this is just my 
opinion.

You can see what UT has to say, but do what you feel is best.

There was a time when I would have said, yes, separate them.

But now that I know more about the disease, I probably would not separate them.

(By the way, folks,if my typing is off it's because my keyboard is 
"sticking"...especially the space bar.  Too many cat butts trying to type 
out a "howdy!" I think.)

As far as the Evo moist, my felv+ won't touch it but the rest of the gang loves 
it.

Wendy is right, baby is a good supplement, but I recommend staying away from 
the "ham" formula, seems I heard it has more salt than the other meats..

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
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   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 7:54 PM
  Subject: Re: Update 08/23/07


  Wendy,

  Here's the breakdown:

  I've had Grizzabella since 2001, and she was approximately a year old at that 
point, so she's about 7.  She came from a rescue shelter that went terribly 
bad, but I'm almost certain I had her tested and she was negative at that time, 
because I remember she came with an awful URI when I got her. :(  Poor thing.  
But what happened was she spent about three years with my mother.  I had moved 
back home to help care for a terminally ill relative, and by the time she 
passed, Grizzabella had gotten so attached to mother and mother to she that I 
couldn't separate them.  Bella came back to live with me after mother passed 
away in December 06. I think she likely contracted the FeLV while she was with 
mother, as she would often get outside, and mother wasn't able to chase her 
down.  She went to the vet several times in that period for rabies shots and 
the like, but they never recommended FeLV vaccines, and I still don't know why.

  As for Poppy and Penny, I'm certain they were negative when I got them, as 
they came from Virginia Siamese Rescue.  They were kittens, so at this point 
they're almost 2 1/2 years old, and Bella has only been here about 8-9 months, 
so I assume Poppy contracted it at somewhere around a year and a half to two 
years old.  Penny tested negative on the ELISA.  I'm going to take her back in 
3-6 months and have her retested and insist on an IFA test.  I say I'm certain 
they didn't have it when I adopted them because I know how thorough Va SRC is, 
especially with the fosters I got them from.  I've gotten to know them, and I'm 
certain they tested.  I guess its possible the test was a negative when I got 
them and they were in fact positive, but I kinda doubt it.  I got poppy at 
approximately 12 weeks old, and Penny at approximately 8 weeks old.

  As for the bleaching...the food bowls are nonporous glazed porcelain, and 
they're bleached in the dishwasher, as dishwasher detergent has bleach in it.  
The drinkwell I can understand, though, being plastic.  I usually dilute quite 
a bit, but I'll certainly stop if you all think it could cause more harm than 
do good.  Thanks again!

  Michael





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Re: Update 08/23/07

[OfALegend]

Wendy,
 
Here's the breakdown:
 
I've had Grizzabella since 2001, and she was approximately a year old at  
that point, so she's about 7.  She came from a rescue shelter that  went 
terribly 
bad, but I'm almost certain I had her tested and she was negative  at that 
time, because I remember she came with an awful URI when I got her.  :(  Poor 
thing.  But what happened was she spent about three years  with my mother.  I 
had moved back home to help care for a terminally ill  relative, and by the 
time 
she passed, Grizzabella had gotten so attached to  mother and mother to she 
that I couldn't separate them.  Bella came back to  live with me after mother 
passed away in December 06. I think she likely  contracted the FeLV while she 
was with mother, as she would often get outside,  and mother wasn't able to 
chase her down.  She went to the vet several  times in that period for rabies 
shots and the like, but they never recommended  FeLV vaccines, and I still 
don't 
know why.
 
As for Poppy and Penny, I'm certain they were negative when I got them, as  
they came from Virginia Siamese Rescue.  They were kittens, so at this  point 
they're almost 2 1/2 years old, and Bella has only been here about 8-9  months, 
so I assume Poppy contracted it at somewhere around a year and a half to  two 
years old.  Penny tested negative on the ELISA.  I'm going to take  her back 
in 3-6 months and have her retested and insist on an IFA test.  I  say I'm 
certain they didn't have it when I adopted them because I know how  thorough Va 
SRC is, especially with the fosters I got them from.  I've  gotten to know 
them, and I'm certain they tested.  I guess its possible the  test was a 
negative 
when I got them and they were in fact positive, but I kinda  doubt it.  I got 
poppy at approximately 12 weeks old, and Penny at  approximately 8 weeks old.
 
As for the bleaching...the food bowls are nonporous glazed porcelain, and  
they're bleached in the dishwasher, as dishwasher detergent has bleach in  it.  
The drinkwell I can understand, though, being plastic.  I usually  dilute 
quite a bit, but I'll certainly stop if you all think it could cause more  harm 
than do good.  Thanks again!

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Re: Update 08/23/07

[wendy]

Hey Michael,

If they won't eat the wet Evo, you can mix it with some baby food (Del Monte or 
Beech Nut are good, chicken flavor or any of the meats) and maybe the can be 
switched over that way.

Some people might not agree with me, but I think at this point, Penelope has 
already been exposed (how long were they living together before the 
diagnosis?).  If she was, she has thrown the virus.  Adult cats are very 
resistant against the virus from what we've seen here.  How old are all your 
furbabies?  I would be surprised if Grizzabella gave it to Poppy.  Did you have 
Poppy tested when you first adopted him?  It's possible they both already had 
it when you adopted them.  I never separated mine.  Cricket was our positive 
and Julie, LuLu, and Pepper are my negatives.  They lived together two years 
before I knew about the diagnosis, and two years after.  They shared the same 
litter box and food/water bowls.  No one ever became positive.  The infrared 
collars are a good idea, but honestly Michael, it's probably a moot point.  I 
can't swear by it, but I would live by it.  I would really be careful about the 
bleaching of food and water bowls.  In fact, I
 wouldn't.  I would be so scared that I was slowly poisoning them.  I would ask 
about that as a subject specifically.

Let us know how the vet visit/referral goes.

:)
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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[wendy]

Hey Michael,

Yes, mine vomit sometimes too.  Isn't that fun to come home to after a long 
day's work...lol.

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 8:54:39 AM
Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update



Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.  Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?

Hi Wendy,

To answer your question, they ended up being tested because the Vet asked Jeff 
if he wanted them tested.  He didn't know what to say, so he just said yes.  I 
guess its fortunate he did.  They're both asymptomatic. They're actually quite 
healthy.  I've never even noticed as much as a runny nose from any of them.  
The only thing I have seen is vomiting, but I'm hoping the new food will help 
with that...thats not a new issue...they've been doing that since I got them 
and long before Grizzabella came in and infected Poppy.  They've been to the 
vet several times, no one seems to have an answer other than they seem to be 
eating too fast.  But they're really not unhealthy...as a matter of fact, Poppy 
is 14.5lbs, ack :(  The other two are 7.4 and 7.5, which is a healthy weight 
for their size.  I'm going with the Innova EVO food today as soon as I can find 
that place on their website where its sold locally.  We'll see how that goes, 
I'll gradually switch it over
 as recommended.

I also stopped by my vet office this morning on my way to work, and gave them 
the referral form for University of Tennessee CVM.  They seemed very receptive 
this morning.  The doctor that diagnosed them will be back in the morning and 
they said they'd give him the form. I suppose it will help that two of the vets 
at the clinic graduated from UT.

I also asked about the prescription formula "Missing Link" supplement, and they 
made a note to check.  I mixed the lysine in this morning, and all three ate 
it! That made me feel a bit better.  The one that stayed in one spot pretty 
much for 36 hours also got up and moved around a bit last night.  She even came 
in the living room and laid down on the couch with Jeff.  They're slowly 
feeling better from the vaccinations.  I'll keep updating as I get new 
information.  Thanks guys.

-Original Message-
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


Hey Michael,
 
I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine.  It's not 
the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them.  I buy the wet and 
dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually.  I got a 22% discount the 
last time I ordered, which was a good deal.  The food is expensive, so when you 
look, don't be too surprised at the price.  I pay about $35 before discounts on 
a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month.  It's worth it.  When 
I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat 
just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket.  I was amazed, 
which is saying a lot for me.  I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, 
usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper 
to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive.  I was used to feeding 
science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I 
didn't know any better.  And
 if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods.  
It's a shame they are so expensive.  We are not wealthy by any stretch of the 
imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food.  And they say more 
protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why.  Someone 
else here will know.
 
You can mix the lysine into their Medleys.  It's tasteless; they won't even 
know it's there.  Do you have the powder?  Other people use different 
supplements.  They will know more about them than I will.  I'm really happy 
that your kitties are eating.  They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow.  
Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.  Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?
 
Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV.  You didn't give it to 
them.  The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as 
much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset.  Every day 
you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, 
kitties too.  So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but 
something else, and yo

Re: To Michael Re: Update

[wendy]

Susan,

I think of Univ. of Texas too...lol.  

Yes, 15 lbs. of dry lasts one month, however, that's mixed in with wet foods, 
baby foods for Julie, boiled chicken, chicken broth, etc.  I guess mine are 
just a wee bit spoiled.  I'd hate to admit to myself, or to my husband for that 
matter, how much we really spend on kitty food!

:)
Wendy
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 1:17:06 AM
Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


Higher quality food means less eaten due to cats eat until they are 
nutritionally full, then stop (theoretically).
 
High content of good meats,less grain, less need for intake.
 
My cats also have done very well on the EVO & CORE.
 
Shiniercoats, brighter eyes & chronic cats feeling & looking better too.
 
I sprinkle the Nutrional Yeast over their food every other day.
 
Yes,these foods will cost more, but you will make up for it w/ better overall 
health, so less medical bills.
 
Wendy, 15lbs.last one month?
 
My eat about 6lbs.per day.
 
They are like locust w/fur.  :)
 
Ah, but they are my little locust..
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent
 
 
 
 
- Original Message - 
From: wendy 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


Hey Michael,
 
I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine.  It's not 
the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them.  I buy the wet and 
dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually.  I got a 22% discount the 
last time I ordered, which was a good deal.  The food is expensive, so when you 
look, don't be too surprised at the price.  I pay about $35 before discounts on 
a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month.  It's worth it.  When 
I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat 
just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket.  I was amazed, 
which is saying a lot for me.  I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, 
usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper 
to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive.  I was used to feeding 
science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I 
didn't know any better.  And
 if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods.  
It's a shame they are so expensive.  We are not wealthy by any stretch of the 
imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food.  And they say more 
protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why.  Someone 
else here will know.
 
You can mix the lysine into their Medleys.  It's tasteless; they won't even 
know it's there.  Do you have the powder?  Other people use different 
supplements.  They will know more about them than I will.  I'm really happy 
that your kitties are eating.  They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow.  
Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.  Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?
 
Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV.  You didn't give it to 
them.  The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as 
much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset.  Every day 
you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, 
kitties too.  So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but 
something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for 
nothing.  You just never know.  There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the 
Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.  Can you 
believe that?!!!  I saw her and petted her myself this past February.  Have you 
heard of them?  Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot 
intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not.  They are really up to date on their stuff 
too, IMO.  Some people here use IR, given different ways, and others use the 
interferon.  They will have good
 info. on that.  I would repost with those two as a subject heading so you're 
sure to get answers from the people who've used it first hand.
 
You're doing great 

Re: To Michael Re: Update

[ofalegend]

Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.? Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?

Hi Wendy,

To answer your question, they ended up being tested because the Vet asked Jeff 
if he wanted them tested.? He didn't know what to say, so he just said yes.? I 
guess its fortunate he did.? They're both asymptomatic.?They're actually quite 
healthy.? I've never?even noticed as much as a runny?nose from any of them.? 
The only thing I have seen is vomiting, but I'm hoping the new food will help 
with that...thats not a new issue...they've been doing that since I got them 
and long before Grizzabella came in and?infected Poppy.? They've been to?the 
vet several times, no one seems to have an answer other than they seem to be 
eating too fast.? But they're really not unhealthy...as?a matter of fact, Poppy 
is 14.5lbs, ack :(? The other two are?7.4 and?7.5, which is a healthy weight 
for their size. ?I'm going with the Innova EVO food today as soon as I can find 
that place on their website where its sold locally.? We'll see how that goes, 
I'll gradually switch it over as recommended.

I also stopped by my vet office this morning on my way to work, and gave them 
the referral form for University of Tennessee CVM.? They seemed very receptive 
this morning.? The doctor that diagnosed them will be back in the morning and 
they said they'd give him the form. I suppose it will help that two of the vets 
at the clinic graduated from UT.

I also asked about the prescription formula "Missing Link" supplement, and they 
made a note to check.? I mixed the lysine in this morning, and all three ate 
it!?That made me feel a bit better.? The one that stayed in one spot pretty 
much for 36 hours also got up and moved around a bit last night.? She even came 
in the living room and laid down on the couch with Jeff.? They're slowly 
feeling better from the vaccinations.? I'll keep updating as I get new 
information.? Thanks guys.

-Original Message-
From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 9:50 pm
Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update






Hey Michael,

?

I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine.? It's not 
the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them.? I?buy the wet and 
dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually.? I got a 22% discount the 
last time I ordered, which was a good deal.? The food is expensive, so when you 
look, don't be too surprised at the price.? I pay about $35 before discounts on 
a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month.? It's worth it.? When 
I started feeding?Smookie,?our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat 
just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket.? I was amazed, 
which is saying a lot for me.? I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, 
usually pet boutiques,?in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper 
to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive.? I was used to feeding 
science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically?junk,?I felt bad, but I 
didn't know any better.? And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able 
to feed the better foods.? It's a shame they are so expensive.??We?are not 
wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on 
the food.? And they say?more protein means less elimination and less food 
eaten, but I forget why.? Someone else here will know.

?

You can mix the lysine into their Medleys.? It's tasteless; they won't even 
know it's there.? Do you have the powder?? Other people use different 
supplements.? They will?know more about them than I will.? I'm really happy 
that your kitties are eating.? They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow.? 
Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.? Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?

?

Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV.? You didn't give it to 
them.? The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as 
much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset.? Every day 
you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, 
kitties too.? So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but 
something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for 
nothing.? You just never know.? There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the 
Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.? Can you 
believe that?!!!? I saw her and petted her myself this past February.? Have you 
heard of them?? Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot 
intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not.? They are really up to date on their stuff 
too, IMO.? Some people here use IR, given d

Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

Higher quality food means less eaten due to cats eat until they are 
nutritionally full, then stop (theoretically).

High content of good meats,less grain, less need for intake.

My cats also have done very well on the EVO & CORE.

Shiniercoats, brighter eyes & chronic cats feeling & looking better too.

I sprinkle the Nutrional Yeast over their food every other day.

Yes,these foods will cost more, but you will make up for it w/ better overall 
health, so less medical bills.

Wendy, 15lbs.last one month?

My eat about 6lbs.per day.

They are like locust w/fur.  :)

Ah, but they are my little locust..


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: wendy 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:50 PM
  Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


  Hey Michael,

  I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine.  It's not 
the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them.  I buy the wet and 
dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually.  I got a 22% discount the 
last time I ordered, which was a good deal.  The food is expensive, so when you 
look, don't be too surprised at the price.  I pay about $35 before discounts on 
a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month.  It's worth it.  When 
I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat 
just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket.  I was amazed, 
which is saying a lot for me.  I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, 
usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper 
to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive.  I was used to feeding 
science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I 
didn't know any better.  And if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able 
to feed the better foods.  It's a shame they are so expensive.  We are not 
wealthy by any stretch of the imagination, but we can afford a little extra on 
the food.  And they say more protein means less elimination and less food 
eaten, but I forget why.  Someone else here will know.

  You can mix the lysine into their Medleys.  It's tasteless; they won't even 
know it's there.  Do you have the powder?  Other people use different 
supplements.  They will know more about them than I will.  I'm really happy 
that your kitties are eating.  They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow.  
Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.  Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?

  Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV.  You didn't give it 
to them.  The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself 
as much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset.  Every 
day you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our 
maker, kitties too.  So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but 
something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for 
nothing.  You just never know.  There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the 
Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.  Can you 
believe that?!!!  I saw her and petted her myself this past February.  Have you 
heard of them?  Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot 
intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not.  They are really up to date on their stuff 
too, IMO.  Some people here use IR, given different ways, and others use the 
interferon.  They will have good info. on that.  I would repost with those two 
as a subject heading so you're sure to get answers from the people who've used 
it first hand.

  You're doing great Michael.  I'm impressed with your research skills!  Let us 
know how the vet visit goes and how the last test fares.

  :)
  Wendy
   
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~


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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[wendy]

Hey Michael,

I feed mine Elegant Medleys as a treat, so yes, I think it's fine.  It's not 
the best food, but I don't think it's going to hurt them.  I buy the wet and 
dry Innova Evo online at Pet Food Direct usually.  I got a 22% discount the 
last time I ordered, which was a good deal.  The food is expensive, so when you 
look, don't be too surprised at the price.  I pay about $35 before discounts on 
a 15 lb. bag which lasts me with 4-5 cats about a month.  It's worth it.  When 
I started feeding Smookie, our newest kitty from the shelter, the Evo, her coat 
just blossomed into this gorgeous blue black shiny blanket.  I was amazed, 
which is saying a lot for me.  I can also get the food in about 3-4 stores, 
usually pet boutiques, in Dallas, but since I live in the suburbs, it's cheaper 
to buy it online and have it shipped rather than drive.  I was used to feeding 
science diet, so when I saw that the food was basically junk, I felt bad, but I 
didn't know any better.  And
 if we didn't have the money, we wouldn't be able to feed the better foods.  
It's a shame they are so expensive.  We are not wealthy by any stretch of the 
imagination, but we can afford a little extra on the food.  And they say more 
protein means less elimination and less food eaten, but I forget why.  Someone 
else here will know.

You can mix the lysine into their Medleys.  It's tasteless; they won't even 
know it's there.  Do you have the powder?  Other people use different 
supplements.  They will know more about them than I will.  I'm really happy 
that your kitties are eating.  They'll probably be back to normal by tomorrow.  
Quick question: I forgot how you came to test them in the first place.  Are 
they new adoptees or is one of them sick?

Please try not to feel responsible for them having FeLV.  You didn't give it to 
them.  The best thing you can do for them is to remain stress free yourself as 
much as possible, because they will pick up on it if you are upset.  Every day 
you have with them is a gift, and one day, we're all going to meet our maker, 
kitties too.  So it may be that the FeLV is not what they pass from, but 
something else, and you'll have wasted all that time and energy worrying for 
nothing.  You just never know.  There is a 22 year old FeLV+ Siamese cat at the 
Casa de Calmar FeLV Unit at Best Friends Animal Sanctuary in Utah.  Can you 
believe that?!!!  I saw her and petted her myself this past February.  Have you 
heard of them?  Best Friends uses ImmunoRegulin once a month given via shot 
intra-muscular, asymptomatic or not.  They are really up to date on their stuff 
too, IMO.  Some people here use IR, given different ways, and others use the 
interferon.  They will have good
 info. on that.  I would repost with those two as a subject heading so you're 
sure to get answers from the people who've used it first hand.

You're doing great Michael.  I'm impressed with your research skills!  Let us 
know how the vet visit goes and how the last test fares.

:)
Wendy
 
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world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~


  

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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Jane Lyons]

Michael
You and your kitties are very fortunate to have found this list, so
consider that a very good omen.

We are all using a variety of supplements, and you will get many  
different recommendations,

the trick is to get the ones that you can get them to eat.

l-lycine is tasteless. You should be able to sprinkle a half capsule  
(500mg) on their dry
food. I try to blend it in very well, and my ultra finicky cat has  
not detected it. If she
sees me sprinkle anything on her food she will not touch it, so I  
prepare everything under cover.


My vet recommended an immune booster called Maitake-DMG. It is a  
liquid and we give it to

her in a dropper 2x each day.

My vet (who practices both allopathic and homeopathic medicine)  
recommended a pro-biotic
called FortiFlora as an immune booster. My cat is a Fancy Feast  
addict and she
eats the FortiFlora with relish. It is a powder and I mix it in her  
wet food.


I have discovered that it is very difficult to introduce quality  
foods to a junk food addict. You
have to do it slowly and little bits at a time. I have concentrated  
on making sure that she gets
the supplements, as I am still working on weaning her from junk. She  
was addicted to FF when

we got her.

There are people here with great experience. You will get good advice  
and then determine what

works for your guys.

I can imagine how shell shocked you must be. I can identify  
completely. Remember the good news

is that they are not symptomatic.

Jane




















On Aug 22, 2007, at 9:53 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:


Hi Michael,

I don't know the food stores in Tennessee.  I buy my good food at a
local pet store.  Petco, Petsmart, etc do not carry it.

You can get any food from www.petfooddirect.com

Yes, please do not blame yourself.  I know we do that - I was blaming
myself yesterday when I had to have a kitty PTS that had aggressive,
incurable, untreatable cancer of the mouth.  You did not cause this,
you can't cure it (you can help the kitty's immune system and keep
them in the best possible shape to cure it themselves, but you can't
*cure* it, and you can't control it.

You really, really need a vet who is a partner.  I am fortunate to
have one who never tells me to PTS too early or too late.  There are
some bad vets out there but fortunately there are some very good ones.

I had a kitten who tested light pos last year.  The first thing my vet
told me was to wait 6 months, then retest.  That is standard and
anyone who is not telling you that is suspect.

(There is hope, my girl tested neg on the retest, so did the rest of
the litter).

I think it is fine for kitties to have a treat, just like people.:)

On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do  
you all

think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant
Medleys?  There are three of them, and they share a can each  
morning and
each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its  
something
they have come to expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's  
something wrong
with giving that to them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry  
food, but
I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high  
proteins.  I'm
going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing  
it.  I'll

be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow.

As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already  
gotten Lysine
and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.   
I'm hoping
they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so  
that makes
me feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the  
supplements, are
those the only two recommended, or is there something else?  And  
do you guys
mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food?  Luckily, we  
rarely ever
have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a  
time (and
my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very  
familiar,

she has been living here on and off).

They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but  
vaccinated
Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an  
IFA test
with her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this  
vet office
treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them  
to refer
them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I  
looked up
the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms,  
7000
dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every  
field you can
imagine, it looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/  The  
vet's office
bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to  
verify her
positive ELISA test.  They just said she had it, period.  That  
didn't sit

well with me.

I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm  
taking this
very hard.  But all I can do now is make sure they have the  

Re: Update

[glenda Goodman]

Michael, 
There is nothing I can say that has not been said. We
all feel so badly for you and your family. I'm just so
glad, that from the moment you got the first positive
test, you were up for the fight. I'm just sitting back
feeling so grateful there are such great , well
informed people here, that are very up to date on the
latest and best ways to deal with this disease.
The day I was told by my vet, a couple months ago,
that my cat's test came back positive, is the same day
I found these guys. I was on the computer about
10-hours that day, trying to learn everything I
could...looking for that little shred of hope...It is
an awful feeling. I venture to guess, the way I found
these guys, is the same way most of us found this
group, that one horrible day, when the bottom fell
out...but there is hope, in many different forms, as
you are learning...Bless your heart! Your little guys
are very lucky to have you in their corner! 
Glenda 
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>  
> Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the
> vet's office,  they told me 
> both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back
> positive today.   I guess what I 
> need to do now is figure out what to do from here. 
> I did  ask about UT, and 
> she just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also
> asked  what happened to Dr. 
> Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was
> "She's  not here anymore 
> and I don't know what she's doing." So, needless to
> say, I  think I'm done with 
> this vet's office.
>  
> I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I
> guess that's the next  step, 
> both of them are headed there as soon as I can get
> the referrals.  I  tried 
> the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of
> them have felt well  enough 
> to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try
> it again when they're  
> feeling better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit
> upset right now, so I'm  gonna 
> leave it at that guys, til I have a little time to
> calm down.  I'm  open to 
> suggestions as to what I should do next.   
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Marylyn]

OK:  here is what Dixie gets in addition to the Primal Raw (Wellness canned if 
things are really rough) + veggies + raw organic eggs 3-4 times a week.  She 
gets Just Born with Colostrum (rural community, hard to get just Colostrum and 
she likes the Just Born); Transfer Factor; Lysine; various alternative/holistic 
remedies as needed + a large container of various cat grasses just because.  A 
number of supplements get thrown in as her holistic/alternative vets recommend 
and other things as her regular vets recommend.The Colostrum is a major 
thing for me.  I have elderly people friends who use it and the results are 
amazing.  One broke a bone (sorry can't remember which) but her doctors were 
astounded  at her recovery rate..she shouldn't have had anything near total 
recovery but  did and at the rate of a very young person.  




 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


  Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do you all 
think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys?  
There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so 
they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to 
expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to 
them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch 
over to something with no grains and high proteins.  I'm going to look for the 
Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it.  I'll be sure to look for 
something with no grains tomorrow. 

  As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine 
and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.  I'm hoping 
they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so that makes me 
feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the supplements, are those 
the only two recommended, or is there something else?  And do you guys mix that 
in the dry food, or in their wet food?  Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, 
and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is 
here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been 
living here on and off). 

  They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated 
Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with 
her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this vet office 
treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them 
to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I looked up the 
hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a 
year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it 
looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/  The vet's office bothered me 
because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA 
test.  They just said she had it, period.  That didn't sit well with me.

  I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this 
very hard.  But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care 
possible. 

  Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys:

  1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok?
  2. Dry food...brand recommendations
  3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do 
you put it in wet or dry food?
  4. Treatment options?  Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in 
healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic?  

  Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received.  It 
really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the situation, 
and I'm not just completely helpless.

  Michael






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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Marylyn]

Just so you know some of the better food stores (Whole Foods (?), Rainbow 
Blossom, etc) that cater to people into organic foods etc carry EVO and some 
vets do.  I think you can get it over the internet also.  It is great dry (I'm 
not trilled with the canned but that is my cat).  

Primal Raw is wonderful too(cubes that are frozen---thaw them without the muss 
and fuss and they are balanced and about the price of FF and some other foods). 
 You can add ground veggies and, at least  Dixie, thinks it is wonderful.   






 If you have men who will 
exclude any of God's creatures
 from the shelter of compassion 
and pity, you will have men who 
 will deal likewise with their 
fellow man.
  St. Francis
  - Original Message - 
  From: Susan Dubose 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:44 PM
  Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


  Hi Michael,

  First, please do not blame yourself.
  You have enough to deal w/ without stressing yourself out further.

  You did not create this disease, nor did you knowingly give it to your cats.

  Ok, questions.(You will get alot of responses, but do what you feel 
is right for you).

  Elegant Medleys is fine, and 1/3 of a can is fine too, BID (twice per day).

  My felv+cats eat this and they like it.

  I put the Lysine in their moist food in the morning along w/the Missing Link.
  Same thing @ night.
  You can get Missing Link w/o a prescription,but if you get the 
ProfessionalStrength formula, it has a detox factor, but it comesform the vet.

  L-Lysine should be about 500mg per day.

  My vet always recommends breaking up any meds, supplements to twice per day, 
as opposed to once perday,therefore the body has a more constant supply, make 
since?

  Dry foods, I use Innova Evo (bronze bag, specialty pet food stores only) and 
Wellness Core mixed (white bag w/bronze lettering,pet foods specialty store).

  Follow Wendy's guidelines that were posted for introducing the new food to 
them (gradual).

  I would only use interferon if they start to become ill, but that is just me.

  I use the Lysine to boost their immune system,then break out the "big gun" 
interferon,if they start showing signs of illness.

  Others on the list use it more frequently, it is a preference, tho.


  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
   Trajan Tennent




- Original Message - 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:23 PM
Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do you all 
think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys?  
There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so 
they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to 
expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to 
them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch 
over to something with no grains and high proteins.  I'm going to look for the 
Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it.  I'll be sure to look for 
something with no grains tomorrow. 

As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten 
Lysine and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.  I'm 
hoping they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so that 
makes me feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the supplements, 
are those the only two recommended, or is there something else?  And do you 
guys mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food?  Luckily, we rarely ever 
have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my 
sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she 
has been living here on and off). 

They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but 
vaccinated Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA 
test with her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this vet 
office treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to 
refer them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I looked 
up the hosp

Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Kelley Saveika]

Hi Michael,

I don't know the food stores in Tennessee.  I buy my good food at a
local pet store.  Petco, Petsmart, etc do not carry it.

You can get any food from www.petfooddirect.com

Yes, please do not blame yourself.  I know we do that - I was blaming
myself yesterday when I had to have a kitty PTS that had aggressive,
incurable, untreatable cancer of the mouth.  You did not cause this,
you can't cure it (you can help the kitty's immune system and keep
them in the best possible shape to cure it themselves, but you can't
*cure* it, and you can't control it.

You really, really need a vet who is a partner.  I am fortunate to
have one who never tells me to PTS too early or too late.  There are
some bad vets out there but fortunately there are some very good ones.

I had a kitten who tested light pos last year.  The first thing my vet
told me was to wait 6 months, then retest.  That is standard and
anyone who is not telling you that is suspect.

(There is hope, my girl tested neg on the retest, so did the rest of
the litter).

I think it is fine for kitties to have a treat, just like people.:)

On 8/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do you all
> think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant
> Medleys?  There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and
> each night, so they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something
> they have come to expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong
> with giving that to them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but
> I'm going to switch over to something with no grains and high proteins.  I'm
> going to look for the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it.  I'll
> be sure to look for something with no grains tomorrow.
>
> As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine
> and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.  I'm hoping
> they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so that makes
> me feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the supplements, are
> those the only two recommended, or is there something else?  And do you guys
> mix that in the dry food, or in their wet food?  Luckily, we rarely ever
> have guests, and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and
> my sister is here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar,
> she has been living here on and off).
>
> They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated
> Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test
> with her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this vet office
> treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer
> them to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I looked up
> the hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000
> dogs/cats a year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can
> imagine, it looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/  The vet's office
> bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her
> positive ELISA test.  They just said she had it, period.  That didn't sit
> well with me.
>
> I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this
> very hard.  But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best
> care possible.
>
> Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys:
>
> 1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this
> ok?
> 2. Dry food...brand recommendations
> 3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do
> you put it in wet or dry food?
> 4. Treatment options?  Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in
> healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic?
>
>
> Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've received.  It
> really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control over the
> situation, and I'm not just completely helpless.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
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Re: To Michael Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

Hi Michael,

First, please do not blame yourself.
You have enough to deal w/ without stressing yourself out further.

You did not create this disease, nor did you knowingly give it to your cats.

Ok, questions.(You will get alot of responses, but do what you feel is 
right for you).

Elegant Medleys is fine, and 1/3 of a can is fine too, BID (twice per day).

My felv+cats eat this and they like it.

I put the Lysine in their moist food in the morning along w/the Missing Link.
Same thing @ night.
You can get Missing Link w/o a prescription,but if you get the 
ProfessionalStrength formula, it has a detox factor, but it comesform the vet.

L-Lysine should be about 500mg per day.

My vet always recommends breaking up any meds, supplements to twice per day, as 
opposed to once perday,therefore the body has a more constant supply, make 
since?

Dry foods, I use Innova Evo (bronze bag, specialty pet food stores only) and 
Wellness Core mixed (white bag w/bronze lettering,pet foods specialty store).

Follow Wendy's guidelines that were posted for introducing the new food to them 
(gradual).

I would only use interferon if they start to become ill, but that is just me.

I use the Lysine to boost their immune system,then break out the "big gun" 
interferon,if they start showing signs of illness.

Others on the list use it more frequently, it is a preference, tho.


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 8:23 PM
  Subject: Re: To Michael Re: Update


  Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do you all 
think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys?  
There are three of them, and they share a can each morning and each night, so 
they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something they have come to 
expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong with giving that to 
them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food, but I'm going to switch 
over to something with no grains and high proteins.  I'm going to look for the 
Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever seeing it.  I'll be sure to look for 
something with no grains tomorrow. 

  As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten Lysine 
and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.  I'm hoping 
they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so that makes me 
feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the supplements, are those 
the only two recommended, or is there something else?  And do you guys mix that 
in the dry food, or in their wet food?  Luckily, we rarely ever have guests, 
and rarely leave for more than a couple of days at a time (and my sister is 
here with them when we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she has been 
living here on and off). 

  They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but vaccinated 
Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA test with 
her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this vet office 
treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to refer them 
to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I looked up the 
hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000 dogs/cats a 
year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can imagine, it 
looks very promising: http://www.vet.utk.edu/  The vet's office bothered me 
because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to verify her positive ELISA 
test.  They just said she had it, period.  That didn't sit well with me.

  I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking this 
very hard.  But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute best care 
possible. 

  Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys:

  1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is this ok?
  2. Dry food...brand recommendations
  3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and do 
you put it in wet or dry food?
  4. Treatment options?  Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon Alpha in 
healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're symptomatic?  

  Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I

Re: To Michael Re: Update

[OfALegend]

Thanks for the info.  I'll definitely look into better foods.  Do  you all 
think its ok to mix in their morning and nightly Fancy Feast Elegant  Medleys?  
There are three of them, and they share a can each morning  and each night, so 
they average only 1/3 of a can at a time, but its something  they have come 
to expect.  I guess I'm wondering if there's something wrong  with giving that 
to them.  They've been on the Purina Naturals dry food,  but I'm going to 
switch over to something with no grains and high  proteins.  I'm going to look 
for 
the Innova Evo, but I don't recall ever  seeing it.  I'll be sure to look for 
something with no grains  tomorrow. 

As for the nutritional supplement recommendation, I've already gotten  Lysine 
and Echinacea, but haven't been able to get them to eat it yet.  I'm  hoping 
they will when they're feeling better.  They did eat tonight, so  that makes 
me feel better now that I've seen them eating.   As for the  supplements, are 
those the only two recommended, or is there something  else?  And do you guys 
mix that in the dry food, or in their wet  food?  Luckily, we rarely ever have 
guests, and rarely leave  for more than a couple of days at a time (and my 
sister is here with them when  we leave, with whom they are very familiar, she 
has been living here on and  off). 
 
They did not vaccinate the cat they knew had tested positive, but  vaccinated 
Poppy because they ran out of ELISA tests and had to send in an IFA  test 
with her along with Grizzabella's.  I'm not comfortable with this vet  office 
treating them, so that's why I'm going in the morning to get them to  refer 
them 
to University of Tennessee School of Veterinary Medicine.  I  looked up the 
hospital tonight, quite impressive...they have 10 exam rooms, 7000  dogs/cats a 
year, an intensive care unit, specialists in every field you can  imagine, it 
looks very promising: _http://www.vet.utk.edu/_ (http://www.vet.utk.edu/)   
The vet's  office bothered me because they didn't even recommend an IFA test to 
verify her  positive ELISA test.  They just said she had it, period.  That 
didn't  sit well with me.
 
I feel very personally responsible for them getting sick and I'm taking  this 
very hard.  But all I can do now is make sure they have the absolute  best 
care possible. 
 
Ok, to summarize, here's what I need input on from you guys:

1. Fancy Feast Elegant Medleys...1/3 of a can morning and night...is  this ok?
2. Dry food...brand recommendations
3. Supplements...any recommendations other than lysine and echinacea, and  do 
you put it in wet or dry food?
4. Treatment options?  Do you use the ImmunoRegulin Or Interferon  Alpha in 
healthy cats, or is that treatment options you use when they're  symptomatic?  
 
Thanks for all the support to everyone and all the emails I've  received.  It 
really helps me to feel like I have some sense of control  over the 
situation, and I'm not just completely helpless.
 
Michael
 



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To Michael Re: Update

[wendy]

Hi Michael,

Welcome to the group.  I'm sorry that you had to find us, but glad you did.  I 
know this news must be devastating for you, as you said your kitties were your 
babies.  But there is so much you can do for them to keep their immune systems 
strong.  

First, you are right to find a vet you are comfortable with.  I like to call 
them on the phone and speak with the vet directly, asking him/her their 
philosophy on treating FeLV cats.  If they say pts, I'm outta there.  

Second, you did well to test with IFA.  

Third, you are right.  An internist is your best bet in dealing with FeLV.  

Fourth, the two most important things you can do to keep your kitties healthy 
is to feed them a high quality diet, one with no grains, like Innova Evo or the 
like.  Add supplements like lysine to the food.  Lysine must not have propylene 
glycol in the ingredients.  It causes Heinz body anemia in cats.  The other 
thing is to keep your kitties as stress-free as possible.  New additions to the 
family, vacations and especially boarding, moving, environmental factors like 
heat, company, and loud noises are all some things that can stress kitties out 
(you probably already know this, but it can't hurt to write it for the benefit 
of all).  I'm not saying not to take vacation or to have friends over.  I just 
wouldn't have any big parties without putting my kitties away in a bedroom or 
go away for an extended vacation or travel if I can help it.  My Cricket who I 
lost almost two years ago was fine when we went away for a week at a time every 
so often.  The virus
 kicked in and he developed anemia when we had ten extra family members staying 
at our house for a week during a hurricane.  

Fifth, vaccinate your negatives for FeLV, but be aware the vaccine is only 
about 70% effective; I've seen other stats elsewhere, so that's a general 
number.  

Sixth, your kitties are all already exposed.  Separating them at this point is 
only going to stress them out further, something you don't want.  

Seventh, your kitties can still seroconvert and 'throw' the virus, so don't 
give up hope that one day they will be negative.  I would retest every 3-6 
months (probably 6, since it's less stressful on them to travel and test less 
often).  

Eighth (man, I'm getting up there...lol), do the food switchover gradually, 
mixing like 10/90%, then 30/70%, 50/50, etc. or however you want to do it, so 
it doesn't upset their systems.  

Please post here asap if you don't get them eating in 24 hours.  It's important 
so that fatty liver disease not set in, but I imagine they will be fine.  I am 
surprised they vaccinated with a positive test though.  Did they vaccinate for 
FeLV?  

Please keep us posted Michael.  We're here to help.

:)
Wendy
Dallas, TX
 
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Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

Micheal,

I have heard that the UT facility is excellent.

And I heard this from vet, who is excellent also.

I had a client that was moving to Memphis and he had a dog that was going thru 
chemo.

Dr. Smith said he highly recommended UT. (University of Tennessee).

I hope this makes you feel a bit better.

That they have a good rep. down here (Austin).

(When I see or heard the letters "UT", tho, I automatically think of University 
of Texas, of course..  :)


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: Update


  Let me try this again

  UT is the University of Tennessee Medical Center.  They have a Veterinary 
program there, its a teaching school.  I think an internal medicine specialist 
is the next step, if I can get my doc to refer me.





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Re: Update

[Sally Davis]

Michael,

If they are not symptomatic, you have breathing room. You can read on the
website some of the protocols used to treat FeLV. In addition there are
other immune boosters you can order w/o prescriptions. I initially used
Immunoregulin protocol listed on the website, It has to be given by your vet
IV injection however you can order it yourself from Revival Animal Health.
My vets office said I was getting it cheaper than they could buy it. I have
also used Transfer Factor Plus by 4life . Good food is essential to good
health. I imagine the cats just feel bad from the vaccinations. they do need
to eat whatever Will tempt them.

Best of luck, I take it you are near UT? Maybe you can email the clinic.

Sally


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Black, Lily, Daisy, Silver, and  Spike  Visit my BB for some pictures post
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Re: Update

[OfALegend]

Let me try this again
 
UT is the University of Tennessee Medical Center.  They have a  Veterinary 
program there, its a teaching school.  I think an internal  medicine specialist 
is the next step, if I can get my doc to refer  me.



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Re: Update

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Re: Update

[Susan Dubose]

I am sorry, Michael.

Please keep us informed.

Good luck.

Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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  - Original Message - 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:12 PM
  Subject: Update


  Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the vet's office, they told me 
both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today.  I guess what I 
need to do now is figure out what to do from here.  I did ask about UT, and she 
just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also asked what happened to Dr. 
Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was "She's not here anymore and 
I don't know what she's doing." So, needless to say, I think I'm done with this 
vet's office.

  I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next step, 
both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals.  I tried the 
echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt well enough to eat 
since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again when they're feeling 
better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit upset right now, so I'm gonna leave 
it at that guys, til I have a little time to calm down.  I'm open to 
suggestions as to what I should do next.  

  Michael





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RE: Update

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

You're doing fine, Michael.  Just make sure they eat *something* so they
don't develop fatty liver disease on top of the other thing.  
 
Diane R.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update


Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the vet's office, they told
me both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today.  I guess
what I need to do now is figure out what to do from here.  I did ask
about UT, and she just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also asked
what happened to Dr. Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was
"She's not here anymore and I don't know what she's doing." So, needless
to say, I think I'm done with this vet's office.
 
I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next
step, both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals.
I tried the echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt
well enough to eat since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again
when they're feeling better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit upset
right now, so I'm gonna leave it at that guys, til I have a little time
to calm down.  I'm open to suggestions as to what I should do next.  

Michael





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Re: Update

[Angela Lewis]

Michael,
   I am so sorry! My heart just sank to my toes. I'm new at this too, actually 
I think that you know more than I do by the words you used. (I don't know what 
they mean, UT?), But I do know heartache. You and both kitties are in my 
prayers! God Bless
   
  Ang

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, guys, here's the status.   I just called the vet's office, they 
told me both Poppy and Grizzabella's tests came back positive today.  I guess 
what I need to do now is figure out what to do from here.  I did ask about UT, 
and she just sort of side-stepped the question.  I also asked what happened to 
Dr. Merryman, and the only thing she would tell me was "She's not here anymore 
and I don't know what she's doing." So, needless to say, I think I'm done with 
this vet's office.
   
  I'm pretty sure I can get a referral to UT, so I guess that's the next step, 
both of them are headed there as soon as I can get the referrals.  I tried the 
echinacea and lysine supplements, but none of them have felt well enough to eat 
since their vaccines yesterday, so I'll try it again when they're feeling 
better. If they don't take it.  I'm a bit upset right now, so I'm gonna leave 
it at that guys, til I have a little time to calm down.  I'm open to 
suggestions as to what I should do next.  

Michael





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Re: Update on FLOCK

[Susan Dubose]

Thanks, Kelly, good info..  :)


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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- Original Message - 
From: "Kelley Saveika" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: Update on FLOCK


On 8/20/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just spoke w/ my vet's wife, Sheila, and here is what is happening so 
> far.
>
> She is adopting the black & white cat from the newsletter that you see 
> when
> you pull up the story.
>
> The cat is felv+.
> (When she applied for the cat, health status including test was unknown.)
>
> She is getting 2 more that are felv+, for a total of 3 from this group of
> 400 cats.
>
> The woman in charge of adoptions for BF, said so far 39 have tested pos. 
> for
> felv.
>
> Not sure how many have been tested out of the 400, but I would think if 
> they
> tested neg/neg, they would have to be "limbo" cats for @ least 3 months
> until they are retested.

Even if they test positive on the SNAP test, that doesn't necessarily
mean anything.  About 20% of positives on the SNAP test are false
positives.  Of course BF knows this and will retest with IFA.  In fact
I believe all cats who live in "Benton's House" which is the FELV
living quarters at BF are routinely retested.  At least one I know of
converted and later tested neg/neg.
>
> My situation is this, I have the BF application to fill out, however, out 
> of
> the original 25 we rescued from the hoarder in Houston this past spring 
> (she
> had 185 living in a 1400sq.condo in downtown Houston), I took 14 and 
> someone
> else took 11.

That is scary.  I live in 1100 square feet and don't even have 1/6 of
the cats she had.  185??  But I am feeling I need to cut down
in order to give my guys the best care.  I can't even imagine 185.
That is insane.

I have "Nod" who is a 12-14 year old former street cat.  He has a scar
on his tail where no hair will grow.  Dr. Samon has confirmed it isn't
ringworm or any kind of skin disease, but he looks kind of like a
possum.  Also the fat tomcat face as he was intact until last
November.  Kinda crosseyed due to a scar from a fight or untreated
infection who knows how long ago.  This adopter adores him.  Yay.

Sebastian is a 12 year old blue point Himalayan, looks purebred to me,
he is going to Seattle.


> Her vet said that if they had an exposure to felv, and then were 
> vaccinated,
> they had an 80% chance of staying neg.
> (jump in & correct me if I am wrong).

There has been a lot of discussion about vaccination and I don't think
anyone knows for sure, but I've never heard of vaccination after
exposure doing anything in particular.

Healthy adult cats have a ~85% natural immunity to FELV.  The vaccine
provides about 80% immunity.  I'm not sure how the two combine - I've
asked here and I still don't know.  The FELV vaccine is not a core
vaccine according to the AAFP, but I vaccinate all my personal and
rescue cats against FELV.  If I didn't have cats coming in and out and
had a stable house, I would probably not vaccinate.
>
> On another note, I was very impressed w/ the BF screening protacol for 
> these
> cats, which I am sure must be standard procedure.
>
> They have a network that can do a home visit anywhere in the country, and 
> a
> pilot that volunteers to fly the animals to their new homes.
>
Yes,  BF has been around a long time and has volunteers coming out their 
ears.


I am most impressed with their total and absolute willingness to help
any other rescue with any information they need at any time.


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Re: Update on FLOCK

[Susan Dubose]

Ahhh, thank you Diane!

We need all the luck we can get..  :)

Yes, and the funny thing is, Sheila told me that she had me to blame for 
adopting the 3 cats that were felv+.

I originally sent her the link, and she said the black & white cat just 
"haunted her".

Originally when she called BF, she planned to just sponsor the cat (they had 
already recently donated $10,000 to BF for another rescue, something to do w/ 
Baghdad animals?)

She sent it back to me when we were discussing another hoarder situation, I 
hadn't even remembered looking @ it prior.

Shows what kinda "blinders" I wear, doesn't it?

Off in lalalalalalala land..!


Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 Trajan Tennent




  - Original Message - 
  From: Rosenfeldt, Diane 
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 4:06 PM
  Subject: RE: Update on FLOCK


  Susan, I've had your link open all day and have been reading the story and 
the comments.  Truly awesome work by BF in a really sad situation.  I'm glad 
your vet's wife is taking the black and white and the 2 others.  They will 
certainly have the best of care!  As for you, it sounds like you have a full 
plate right now.  Maybe after you determine the status of your "limbo" cats and 
know more about what you'll need in the way of space for the sick ones, you can 
reconsider taking a Nevada cat.  I think it would be a very kind thing to take 
Julia's positive boy and give him some nice company.  Best of luck with all the 
retests!!

  Diane R.

   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
  Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:52 PM
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Update on FLOCK


  I just spoke w/ my vet's wife, Sheila, and here is what is happening so far.

  She is adopting the black & white cat from the newsletter that you see when 
you pull up the story.

  The cat is felv+.
  (When she applied for the cat, health status including test was unknown.)

  She is getting 2 more that are felv+, for a total of 3 from this group of 400 
cats.

  The woman in charge of adoptions for BF, said so far 39 have tested pos. for 
felv.

  Not sure how many have been tested out of the 400, but I would think if they 
tested neg/neg, they would have to be "limbo" cats for @ least 3 months until 
they are retested.

  My situation is this, I have the BF application to fill out, however, out of 
the original 25 we rescued from the hoarder in Houston this past spring (she 
had 185 living in a 1400sq.condo in downtown Houston), I took 14 and someone 
else took 11.

  One of my 14 tested pos., now she lives w/ my other 3 felv+ cats, one passed 
away due to mega colon & seizures, leaving me w/ 12 "limbo" cats.

  All are to be retested this week, (hopefully) but it might have to be next 
week.

  Julia, the person who took the remaining 11 cats, had one turn felv+ after 3 
months (he is also fiv+ , but that was not a big concern).

  She had her cats divided into big "walk in" size pens roomed @ 3 each.
  (Mine have been roomed @ 6 / 6 ).

  She immediately vaccinated the other 2 cats that was w/ her double pos. for 
felv., and will retest in 6 months.

  Her vet said that if they had an exposure to felv, and then were vaccinated, 
they had an 80% chance of staying neg.
  (jump in & correct me if I am wrong).

  So, why I am telling you this is, w/ a heavy heart I feel like I should take 
the double pos. cat from Julia since she has no place to keep him, and he is 
alone, as opposed to taking a cat from Nevada.

  Plus I might have more pos. cats next week, when we start the retesting, who 
knows

  I guess I can always see when the lease runs out in the guest house behind me 
and turn it into a felv+ house.

  On another note, I was very impressed w/ the BF screening protacol for these 
cats, which I am sure must be standard procedure.

  They have a network that can do a home visit anywhere in the country, and a 
pilot that volunteers to fly the animals to their new homes.



  Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
  www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
  www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
  www.shadowcats.net
"As Cleopatra lay in state,
 Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
 Purring welcomes of soft applause,
 Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
 

RE: Update on FLOCK

[Rosenfeldt, Diane]

Susan, I've had your link open all day and have been reading the story
and the comments.  Truly awesome work by BF in a really sad situation.
I'm glad your vet's wife is taking the black and white and the 2 others.
They will certainly have the best of care!  As for you, it sounds like
you have a full plate right now.  Maybe after you determine the status
of your "limbo" cats and know more about what you'll need in the way of
space for the sick ones, you can reconsider taking a Nevada cat.  I
think it would be a very kind thing to take Julia's positive boy and
give him some nice company.  Best of luck with all the retests!!
 
Diane R.
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Dubose
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 3:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Update on FLOCK


I just spoke w/ my vet's wife, Sheila, and here is what is happening so
far.
 
She is adopting the black & white cat from the newsletter that you see
when you pull up the story.
 
The cat is felv+.
(When she applied for the cat, health status including test was
unknown.)
 
She is getting 2 more that are felv+, for a total of 3 from this group
of 400 cats.
 
The woman in charge of adoptions for BF, said so far 39 have tested pos.
for felv.
 
Not sure how many have been tested out of the 400, but I would think if
they tested neg/neg, they would have to be "limbo" cats for @ least 3
months until they are retested.
 
My situation is this, I have the BF application to fill out, however,
out of the original 25 we rescued from the hoarder in Houston this past
spring (she had 185 living in a 1400sq.condo in downtown Houston), I
took 14 and someone else took 11.
 
One of my 14 tested pos., now she lives w/ my other 3 felv+ cats, one
passed away due to mega colon & seizures, leaving me w/ 12 "limbo" cats.
 
All are to be retested this week, (hopefully) but it might have to be
next week.
 
Julia, the person who took the remaining 11 cats, had one turn felv+
after 3 months (he is also fiv+ , but that was not a big concern).
 
She had her cats divided into big "walk in" size pens roomed @ 3 each.
(Mine have been roomed @ 6 / 6 ).
 
She immediately vaccinated the other 2 cats that was w/ her double pos.
for felv., and will retest in 6 months.
 
Her vet said that if they had an exposure to felv, and then were
vaccinated, they had an 80% chance of staying neg.
(jump in & correct me if I am wrong).

So, why I am telling you this is, w/ a heavy heart I feel like I should
take the double pos. cat from Julia since she has no place to keep him,
and he is alone, as opposed to taking a cat from Nevada.
 
Plus I might have more pos. cats next week, when we start the retesting,
who knows
 
I guess I can always see when the lease runs out in the guest house
behind me and turn it into a felv+ house.
 
On another note, I was very impressed w/ the BF screening protacol for
these cats, which I am sure must be standard procedure.
 
They have a network that can do a home visit anywhere in the country,
and a pilot that volunteers to fly the animals to their new homes.
 
 
 
Susan J. DuBose  >^..^<
www.PetGirlsPetsitting.com
www.Tx.SiameseRescue.org
www.shadowcats.net
  "As Cleopatra lay in state,
   Faithful Bast at her side did wait,
   Purring welcomes of soft applause,
   Ever guarding with sharpened claws."
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Re: Update on FLOCK

[Kelley Saveika]

On 8/20/07, Susan Dubose <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I just spoke w/ my vet's wife, Sheila, and here is what is happening so far.
>
> She is adopting the black & white cat from the newsletter that you see when
> you pull up the story.
>
> The cat is felv+.
> (When she applied for the cat, health status including test was unknown.)
>
> She is getting 2 more that are felv+, for a total of 3 from this group of
> 400 cats.
>
> The woman in charge of adoptions for BF, said so far 39 have tested pos. for
> felv.
>
> Not sure how many have been tested out of the 400, but I would think if they
> tested neg/neg, they would have to be "limbo" cats for @ least 3 months
> until they are retested.

Even if they test positive on the SNAP test, that doesn't necessarily
mean anything.  About 20% of positives on the SNAP test are false
positives.  Of course BF knows this and will retest with IFA.  In fact
I believe all cats who live in "Benton's House" which is the FELV
living quarters at BF are routinely retested.  At least one I know of
converted and later tested neg/neg.
>
> My situation is this, I have the BF application to fill out, however, out of
> the original 25 we rescued from the hoarder in Houston this past spring (she
> had 185 living in a 1400sq.condo in downtown Houston), I took 14 and someone
> else took 11.

That is scary.  I live in 1100 square feet and don't even have 1/6 of
the cats she had.  185??  But I am feeling I need to cut down
in order to give my guys the best care.  I can't even imagine 185.
That is insane.

I have "Nod" who is a 12-14 year old former street cat.  He has a scar
on his tail where no hair will grow.  Dr. Samon has confirmed it isn't
ringworm or any kind of skin disease, but he looks kind of like a
possum.  Also the fat tomcat face as he was intact until last
November.  Kinda crosseyed due to a scar from a fight or untreated
infection who knows how long ago.  This adopter adores him.  Yay.

Sebastian is a 12 year old blue point Himalayan, looks purebred to me,
he is going to Seattle.


> Her vet said that if they had an exposure to felv, and then were vaccinated,
> they had an 80% chance of staying neg.
> (jump in & correct me if I am wrong).

There has been a lot of discussion about vaccination and I don't think
anyone knows for sure, but I've never heard of vaccination after
exposure doing anything in particular.

Healthy adult cats have a ~85% natural immunity to FELV.  The vaccine
provides about 80% immunity.  I'm not sure how the two combine - I've
asked here and I still don't know.  The FELV vaccine is not a core
vaccine according to the AAFP, but I vaccinate all my personal and
rescue cats against FELV.  If I didn't have cats coming in and out and
had a stable house, I would probably not vaccinate.
>
> On another note, I was very impressed w/ the BF screening protacol for these
> cats, which I am sure must be standard procedure.
>
> They have a network that can do a home visit anywhere in the country, and a
> pilot that volunteers to fly the animals to their new homes.
>
Yes,  BF has been around a long time and has volunteers coming out their ears.


I am most impressed with their total and absolute willingness to help
any other rescue with any information they need at any time.


-- 
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http://www.rescuties.org

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Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[catatonya]

say the cat was found. don't say YOU have it.  you SAW it.

wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
  You could post a flyer right on their mailbox and every other mailbox in the 
neighborhood, stating that the cat was found, with some description and that 
further description and payment of vet bill would be required to receive kitty 
back.  I'd leave off the amount.  Good ideas Melissa!
 
  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~
  

  - Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Caroline,
   
  I think it’s great what you are doing! I’m very happy that your mom is 
getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not 
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even 
reluctantly, is something I haven’t been able to do as of late. Good for you!
   
  As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised them 
as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must describe 
the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved their kitty 
that they would do anything to get it back—no matter the cost. And if they 
couldn’t afford it, then they would at least try their hardest to convince me 
that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn’t pay. I did not think 
this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband predicted, no one 
came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a stray (lived out of a 
dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door feeder but was severely 
neglected. 
   
  If I understand correctly (I’ve been reading stories very quickly), you have 
the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice—then let 
them know the bill. If they love kitty, they’ll pay (or at least try).
   
  I’m very happy for you guys—especially at your abilities to get lowered vet 
bills—way to go!!!
   
  Melissa
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

   
My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I 
couldn't get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the 
bushes somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains 
why I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt 
she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat 
into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure 
we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She 
ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins 
arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to 
do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the 
vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him 
and know that he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she 
called, she got a live person!  That person looked up
 the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have that now.  
The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' guesses are 
as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.

My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess 
the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would 
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't 
have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live 
flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm 
pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!! 
 I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and 
guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her 
teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think 
she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the vet's being thrown off by 
the malnourishment.  

She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.  
Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and 
then some...we wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum, food, 
etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess we know 
more of what we are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant to do 
"rescues" mother has even said that she is &qu

Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[catatonya]

Be very careful.  You CANNOT make them pay, buth they CAN demand the cat back.  
You've got to feel them out and say that you don't have the cat if you can tell 
you don't want it going back to them.
   
  Tell them it looked sick and you took it to the vet and spent money.  See 
what they say.  If they balk and are not grateful and willing to pay, etc 
tell them you just let the cat go because you knew it belonged to someone and 
it RAN AWAY.  Do not tell them you have this cat in your possession unless you 
are prepared to give it back no matter what kind of jerks they might turn out 
to be.
  tonya

wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  
  Great point on asking for payment of the vet bill!!!  If someone returned my 
lost and injured cat, I'd be so grateful they took her to the vet, I'd kill 
myself trying to pay them back, with interest.
 
  "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change 
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~
  

  - Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Caroline,
   
  I think it’s great what you are doing! I’m very happy that your mom is 
getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not 
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even 
reluctantly, is something I haven’t been able to do as of late. Good for you!
   
  As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised them 
as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must describe 
the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved their kitty 
that they would do anything to get it back—no matter the cost. And if they 
couldn’t afford it, then they would at least try their hardest to convince me 
that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn’t pay. I did not think 
this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband predicted, no one 
came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a stray (lived out of a 
dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door feeder but was severely 
neglected. 
   
  If I understand correctly (I’ve been reading stories very quickly), you have 
the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice—then let 
them know the bill. If they love kitty, they’ll pay (or at least try).
   
  I’m very happy for you guys—especially at your abilities to get lowered vet 
bills—way to go!!!
   
  Melissa
   
  
-
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline 
Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

   
My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I 
couldn't get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the 
bushes somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains 
why I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt 
she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat 
into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure 
we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She 
ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins 
arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to 
do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the 
vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him 
and know that he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she 
called, she got a live person!  That person looked up
 the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have that now.  
The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' guesses are 
as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.

My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess 
the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would 
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't 
have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live 
flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm 
pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!! 
 I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and 
guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her 
teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think 
she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the vet's bei

RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Well, now that she's getting her strength back...um, not so sweet!  No really, she's sweet as can be, but I had to treat her eyes last night and give her her first dose of Clavamox and like I said, she starting to get real squirmy and fight it a little.  After I treated her, she went and hid.  Then my mom and I went to visit her in the room later and she was laying, curled up in her crate (we had the crate door open so she had the whole room to roam around in!), but she'd chosen to go back in the crate and lay on her blanket and doze!  She didn't move when we came in the room either!  She was clearly "mad" at us for treating her.  My mom said later that night, she was still mad at my mom and being grumpy and just wanted to lay in her crate with the door open!  My mom says she acts like a cat who's never had 
"anything done to her"- i.e., regular treatment, but who knows?  My mom's cat Tally was like that too when we first brought her in- because of her flea dermatitis and open sores on her head, I had to give her Clavamox too and she was horrible for her treatment!  She still holds that against me.  Tally clearly belonged to someone because she had a flea collar on- which was making her whole dermatitis situation worse.  She was in such horrible shape and was clearly an outdoor/indoor cat that couldn't be outdoors because of her severe flea allergy, that my mom and I did make the decision that we didn't want to find her "owners" and she's be much better off with us (evident by the fact that her bald, scabby head cleared up a month later and regrew all it's beautiful white fur).  We want to find the owners of this cat if they want their cat back- that is 
definite.  We don't want to be one of those people like in the Katrina situation who ends up with a Katrina animal and finds the owners and doesn't give it back!

-Caroline    


From: "Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue catDate: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 11:54:56 -0400






If this cat has been out there a long time, it is possible they no longer live there.  I hate to be the voice of dissent, but I’ve been through this for 2 years now—there are sooo many reasons why a cat was lost.  Nobody would ever dump a cat with a collar & tags!  Actually, it’s a pretty responsible thing to put collar and tags on a cat that goes outside—most people don’t cause cats are notorious for pulling them off.  If this is as sweet a cat as you describe him, somebody’s got to be missing him.  Call them-feel them out… bet you’ll be surprised!
 
Christiane Biagi
914-632-4672
Cell:  914-720-6888
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)
www.findkpets.org
 
Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08 AMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 

Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories to you guys (more than just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful suggestions- I really appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this is what I will suggest to my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners come to us!  We can make a flyer tonight and post it on their street.  Ironically, they live near the neighborhood I grew up in in Louisville and the street was on my school bus route, so my mom and I are very familiar.  I'm excited now!  I think this is the best way to "test" the owners!   

Thanks everyone!
-Caroline   
 




From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue catDate: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT)


You could post a flyer right on their mailbox and every other mailbox in the neighborhood, stating that the cat was found, with some description and that further description and payment of vet bill would be required to receive kitty back.  I'd leave off the amount.  Good ideas Melissa! 

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~

 

- Original Message From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AMSubject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Caroline,
 
I think it’s great what you are doing! I’m very happy that your mom is getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even reluctantly, is something I haven’t been able to do as of late. Good for you!
 
As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised them as found cats (without description), 

RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[Chris]

If this cat has been out there a long time, it is possible they no longer
live there.  I hate to be the voice of dissent, but I've been through this
for 2 years now-there are sooo many reasons why a cat was lost.  Nobody
would ever dump a cat with a collar & tags!  Actually, it's a pretty
responsible thing to put collar and tags on a cat that goes outside-most
people don't cause cats are notorious for pulling them off.  If this is as
sweet a cat as you describe him, somebody's got to be missing him.  Call
them-feel them out. bet you'll be surprised!

 

Christiane Biagi

914-632-4672

Cell:  914-720-6888

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Katrina Animal Reunion Team (KART)

www.findkpets.org

 

Join Us & Help Reunite Katrina-displaced Families with their Animals

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 11:08 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

 


Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories to you guys (more than
just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful suggestions- I really
appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this is what I will suggest to
my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners come to us!  We can
make a flyer tonight and post it on their street.  Ironically, they live
near the neighborhood I grew up in in Louisville and the street was on my
school bus route, so my mom and I are very familiar.  I'm excited now!  I
think this is the best way to "test" the owners!   

Thanks everyone!

-Caroline   



 


  _  


From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT)

You could post a flyer right on their mailbox and every other mailbox in the
neighborhood, stating that the cat was found, with some description and that
further description and payment of vet bill would be required to receive
kitty back.  I'd leave off the amount.  Good ideas Melissa!
 

"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change
the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret
Meade ~~~

 

- Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

Caroline,

 

I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very happy that your mom is
getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even
reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do as of late. Good for
you!

 

As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised
them as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must
describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved
their kitty that they would do anything to get it back-no matter the cost.
And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at least try their hardest
to convince me that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn't pay.
I did not think this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband
predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a
stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door
feeder but was severely neglected. 

 

If I understand correctly (I've been reading stories very quickly), you have
the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice-then let
them know the bill. If they love kitty, they'll pay (or at least try).

 

I'm very happy for you guys-especially at your abilities to get lowered vet
bills-way to go!!!

 

Melissa

 

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

 

My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't
get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes
somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why
I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt
she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the
cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to
make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory
infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the
first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they
were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured
my mom into calling the vet number listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even
though we never heard from him and know

Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[Caroline Kaufmann]

Oh my god!  Now I know why I post my lengthy stories to you guys (more than just venting)!  Everyone has made such wonderful suggestions- I really appreciate it.  We have the owners address so this is what I will suggest to my mom that we do.  That way, we can make the owners come to us!  We can make a flyer tonight and post it on their street.  Ironically, they live near the neighborhood I grew up in in Louisville and the street was on my school bus route, so my mom and I are very familiar.  I'm excited now!  I think this is the best way to "test" the owners!   

Thanks everyone!
-Caroline   
 


From: wendy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue catDate: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 07:37:32 -0700 (PDT)





You could post a flyer right on their mailbox and every other mailbox in the neighborhood, stating that the cat was found, with some description and that further description and payment of vet bill would be required to receive kitty back.  I'd leave off the amount.  Good ideas Melissa! 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~

- Original Message From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AMSubject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat



Caroline,
 
I think it’s great what you are doing! I’m very happy that your mom is getting on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even reluctantly, is something I haven’t been able to do as of late. Good for you!
 
As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised them as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved their kitty that they would do anything to get it back—no matter the cost. And if they couldn’t afford it, then they would at least try their hardest to convince me that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn’t pay. I did not think this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door feeder but was severely neglected. 
 
If I understand correctly (I’ve been reading stories very quickly), you have the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice—then let them know the bill. If they love kitty, they’ll pay (or at least try).
 
I’m very happy for you guys—especially at your abilities to get lowered vet bills—way to go!!!
 
Melissa
 




From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline KaufmannSent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PMTo: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 



My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat into a vet that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the vet number listed on 
the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him and know that he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a live person!  That person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.

My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!!  I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think 

RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[glenda Goodman]

Melissa, This is a perfect idea...I'm glad you brougt
it up. It should just be a rule to remember...it is so
logical. 
As for Caroline: I have been reading your progress
with your little girl kitty and it has been , for me,
a bright spot during my miserable failures with my
situation this week. I am very proud of you and your
mom and happy for this dear little cat. Maybe you will
end up keeping her in your family?  I would be
completely firm with these people...I do not know how
you can demand payment though, but they need to show
some enthusiasm for wanting to pay the expenses . If
they do not, they are just not good people and not a
good home for the kitty... I'd say, I think I found
your cat...A friend of a friend has her and I heard
there were some vet bills. Do you want me to try to
locate your cat for you? You are a lawyer after
all...Glenda  
--- Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Caroline,
> 
>  
> 
> I think it's great what you are doing! I'm very
> happy that your mom is
> getting on board with it! I know my family admires
> (even though they may not
> understand) my compassion for animals, but getting
> them to help, even
> reluctantly, is something I haven't been able to do
> as of late. Good for
> you!
> 
>  
> 
> As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in
> April, I advertised
> them as found cats (without description), and stated
> that the owners must
> describe the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought
> that if they really loved
> their kitty that they would do anything to get it
> back-no matter the cost.
> And if they couldn't afford it, then they would at
> least try their hardest
> to convince me that they deserved the kitty back
> even if they couldn't pay.
> I did not think this was out of line at all, and of
> course, as my husband
> predicted, no one came forward to claim the kitties.
> I knew that one was a
> stray (lived out of a dumpster) and the other might
> have been a back-door
> feeder but was severely neglected. 
> 
>  
> 
> If I understand correctly (I've been reading stories
> very quickly), you have
> the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty
> all fixed up nice-then let
> them know the bill. If they love kitty, they'll pay
> (or at least try).
> 
>  
> 
> I'm very happy for you guys-especially at your
> abilities to get lowered vet
> bills-way to go!!!
> 
>  
> 
> Melissa
> 
>  
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
> Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
> 
>  
> 
> My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular
> vet today.  I couldn't
> get a hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell
> phone in the bushes
> somewhere crawling around doing a kitten rescue-
> typical- this explains why
> I couldn't get a hold of her!).  My mom was just
> really frustrated and felt
> she couldn't wait on Shamrock or anyone of those
> groups to help us get the
> cat into a vet that would treat her half
> price/discounted.  She wanted to
> make sure we were dealing only with malnutrition and
> an upper respiratory
> infection.  She ended up seeing a relief vet and my
> mom says she spent the
> first 15 mins arguing with the vet over what the cat
> needed, what they
> were/weren't going to do to her, and finding the
> owner.  The vet pressured
> my mom into calling the vet number listed on the
> rabies tag AGAIN- even
> though we never heard from him and know that he has
> other clinics that are
> open in Louisville- well, when she called, she got a
> live person!  That
> person looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the
> "owner" information, so
> we have that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I
> mean..., I don't
> knowyour alls' guesses are as good as
> mine...that's all I will say about
> that.
> 
> My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had
> the owner info, I guess
> the dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing
> EVERYTHING that a vet would
> usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and
> surprisingly, she
> doesn't have worms.  Although, she could still have
> tape worms since I found
> a live flea on her- but we are going to wait on
> that.  I can always get a
> tapeworm pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She
> weighs 5 lbs, 5
> ounces!!!  I told you she was
> malnourished!  The vet had
> trouble aging her and guessed 5 years.  I think
> she's a little off there--
> she has tarter on her teeth, but not tons and she
> has no grey tarter- just
> the yellow, so I think she's younger than 5, but
> over 2 years.  I think the
> vet's being thrown off by the malnourishment.  
> 
> She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on
> oral clavamox.
> Surprisingly, the vet said everything we've been
> doing for her is right and
> then some...we wrote out a list that included
> everything- the colostrum,
> food, etc., which my mom handed to the vet when she
> wa

Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[wendy]

You could post a flyer right on their mailbox and every other mailbox in the 
neighborhood, stating that the cat was found, with some description and that 
further description and payment of vet bill would be required to receive kitty 
back.  I'd leave off the amount.  Good ideas Melissa!
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat


Caroline,
 
I think it’s great what you are doing! I’m very happy that your mom is getting 
on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not 
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even 
reluctantly, is something I haven’t been able to do as of late. Good for you!
 
As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised them 
as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must describe 
the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved their kitty 
that they would do anything to get it back—no matter the cost. And if they 
couldn’t afford it, then they would at least try their hardest to convince me 
that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn’t pay. I did not think 
this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband predicted, no one 
came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a stray (lived out of a 
dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door feeder but was severely 
neglected. 
 
If I understand correctly (I’ve been reading stories very quickly), you have 
the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice—then let 
them know the bill. If they love kitty, they’ll pay (or at least try).
 
I’m very happy for you guys—especially at your abilities to get lowered vet 
bills—way to go!!!
 
Melissa
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 
My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't get a 
hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes somewhere 
crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why I couldn't 
get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt she couldn't 
wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat into a vet 
that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure we were 
dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She ended 
up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins arguing with 
the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to do to her, 
and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the vet number 
listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him and know 
that he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she called, 
she got a live person!  That person
 looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have 
that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' 
guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.
My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess the 
dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would 
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't 
have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live 
flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm 
pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!! 
 I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and 
guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her 
teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think 
she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the vet's being thrown off by 
the malnourishment.  
She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.  Surprisingly, 
the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and then some...we 
wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum, food, etc., which my 
mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess we know more of what we 
are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant to do "rescues" mother has 
even said that she is "willing to do more of this" as long as she has the 
resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready access to a vet, if vet care is 
needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a discount!  She got out of there with 

Re: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat

[wendy]

Great point on asking for payment of the vet bill!!!  If someone returned my 
lost and injured cat, I'd be so grateful they took her to the vet, I'd kill 
myself trying to pay them back, with interest.
 
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the 
world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has!" ~~~ Margaret Meade ~~~



- Original Message 
From: Melissa Lind <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 8:36:35 AM
Subject: RE: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat


Caroline,
 
I think it’s great what you are doing! I’m very happy that your mom is getting 
on board with it! I know my family admires (even though they may not 
understand) my compassion for animals, but getting them to help, even 
reluctantly, is something I haven’t been able to do as of late. Good for you!
 
As for the owner-issue, with my rescued cats back in April, I advertised them 
as found cats (without description), and stated that the owners must describe 
the cat and pay the vet bill. I thought that if they really loved their kitty 
that they would do anything to get it back—no matter the cost. And if they 
couldn’t afford it, then they would at least try their hardest to convince me 
that they deserved the kitty back even if they couldn’t pay. I did not think 
this was out of line at all, and of course, as my husband predicted, no one 
came forward to claim the kitties. I knew that one was a stray (lived out of a 
dumpster) and the other might have been a back-door feeder but was severely 
neglected. 
 
If I understand correctly (I’ve been reading stories very quickly), you have 
the contact info of the owners? I would get kitty all fixed up nice—then let 
them know the bill. If they love kitty, they’ll pay (or at least try).
 
I’m very happy for you guys—especially at your abilities to get lowered vet 
bills—way to go!!!
 
Melissa
 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Kaufmann
Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2007 3:29 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: OT: Update on Malnourished, Rescue cat
 
My mom took the cat we rescued Sat. to her regular vet today.  I couldn't get a 
hold of my Shamrock contact (she lost her cell phone in the bushes somewhere 
crawling around doing a kitten rescue- typical- this explains why I couldn't 
get a hold of her!).  My mom was just really frustrated and felt she couldn't 
wait on Shamrock or anyone of those groups to help us get the cat into a vet 
that would treat her half price/discounted.  She wanted to make sure we were 
dealing only with malnutrition and an upper respiratory infection.  She ended 
up seeing a relief vet and my mom says she spent the first 15 mins arguing with 
the vet over what the cat needed, what they were/weren't going to do to her, 
and finding the owner.  The vet pressured my mom into calling the vet number 
listed on the rabies tag AGAIN- even though we never heard from him and know 
that he has other clinics that are open in Louisville- well, when she called, 
she got a live person!  That person
 looked up the rabies tag and gave my mom the "owner" information, so we have 
that now.  The cat's "name" is "Nosey"...I mean..., I don't knowyour alls' 
guesses are as good as mine...that's all I will say about that.
My mom bargained down the vet and since she now had the owner info, I guess the 
dr. let her off the hook as far as not doing EVERYTHING that a vet would 
usually do with a rescued cat.  They did a fecal and surprisingly, she doesn't 
have worms.  Although, she could still have tape worms since I found a live 
flea on her- but we are going to wait on that.  I can always get a tapeworm 
pill from Shamrock if I need to.  She weighs 5 lbs, 5 ounces!!! 
 I told you she was malnourished!  The vet had trouble aging her and 
guessed 5 years.  I think she's a little off there-- she has tarter on her 
teeth, but not tons and she has no grey tarter- just the yellow, so I think 
she's younger than 5, but over 2 years.  I think the vet's being thrown off by 
the malnourishment.  
She sneezed for the vet, so she's putting her on oral clavamox.  Surprisingly, 
the vet said everything we've been doing for her is right and then some...we 
wrote out a list that included everything- the colostrum, food, etc., which my 
mom handed to the vet when she walked in.  So I guess we know more of what we 
are doing than we thought.  AND my usually reluctant to do "rescues" mother has 
even said that she is "willing to do more of this" as long as she has the 
resources set up ahead of time- meaning, ready access to a vet, if vet care is 
needed, that will treat a rescue cat for a discount!  She got out of there with 
a $59 bill.  
As for calling the owner, we are in no rush.  My mom still has major c