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be found. You may need to 
install a newer version of InterfaceLib-GetComponentResource."

I think maybe I got that because I was up in Extensions Off. This game 
was actually built for OS 9 (its later expansion packs, which I do have 
most of, were carbonized for OS X compatibility), and I was playing it in 
OS 9 exclusively prior to getting OS X. Since getting OS X, I play in 
Tiger with Classic on, or, occasionally in straight-up OS 9. I never had 
a problem with it in 9 since getting X until now.

I posted this result on the OS 9 list a couple weeks ago, haven't heard 
anything, but before deciding to bother you guys on the G-List about it, 
this past weekend I went ahead and did a clean reinstall of 9 (which 
somehow didn't come with the LaserWriter/300LS driver, so I slipped it in 
myself.)

But that didn't fix it either. In fact, I started having another weird 
problem -- when I'd option-restart to show the bootable disks/be able to 
choose my 9 HD, the OS 9 HD *disappeared entirely* -- the option-restart 
screen only showed the OS X HD. I used to get BOTH my OS X and OS 9 HDs 
when I did an option-restart, always!

So -- do any of you have any idea of what I need to do to get my G4 to 
boot in OS 9 properly? I'm starting to feel desperate now.

Thank you,

~Yersinia.



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Please, G4, Spit out that CD for me...?


Hi again Listers,

:blush:  U...let's hope my Powerbook 5300 comes to my rescue 
again (it's the only way I have right now to send or receive email...) --

My experimenting with Charles's suggestion  of removing certain 
extensions (and some obviously erroneous ideas of my own) to fix my "G4 
won't boot and run in OS 9" problem has now resulted in a "loss" of OS X, 
too. I know I can get it back if I boot from my Tiger DVD and reset the 
startup disk, but I had a CD in it which I now cannot remove. The last 
time this happened, the suggestion from this list to "hold down the mouse 
and the power button on the Mac at the same time" worked, so I tried it 
again this time.

It's not working now, and since my OS 9 is wrecked (the clean install I'd 
done this weekend is obviously messed up), I have no way to go into the 
Apple Menu to change back to OS X as my startup.

I know, I know, I know, why don't I just give up on OS 9 (except to run 
Classic)?.because it would make my life a whole lot easier if for 
this one task, if I COULD run on it still. My "do it on the iBook and 
move the file back to the G4 with the flash drive" workaround has gotten 
awful tiresome. It also irks the hell out of me that a machine whose 
capabilities specifically include dual booting/running BOTH OS 9 and OS X 
-- and did it wonderfully for two years -- just isn't doing it anymore.

I also thought that holding down the mouse and the G4's power button 
simultaneously to make it spit out a CD was a G4 thing (regardless of 
OS), but is it OS X specific?

Current situation which I must resolve ASAP (this is what I get for 
"experimenting") --

Having tried to boot from a copy of my "original" OS 9 system folder 
which I'd put on the OS X HD for safekeeping just prior to doing the OS 9 
reinstall Sat night (and which my G4 had also been running Classic Mode 
from since then when I was in OS X), the Mac will ONLY boot in OS 9, and 
it boots, but as soon as the menu items and desktop icons appear, it 
locks up/freezes. I nerve-pinch shutdown, but even when I'm holding down 
the mouse key and power button at the same time, OS 9 just boots (and 
freezes) again -- and the G4 does not spit out the CD it's got so I can 
put my Tiger DVD in.

There's no holes for paperclip eject. 

...thanks everyone!

~Yersinia.

(wow, this 5300 keyboard is so much better than the iBook's!).

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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9


dc writes,



Actually,  this "nuke and pave the 20 GB HD" approach did occur to me, 
although only as a last resort. However, now that you explain it this way 
(makes sense) -- as soon as I can get my G4 to spit out that CD/I restore 
my ability to boot in Tiger, yeah, looks like "nuke and pave" is really 
the best way to go, and that's what I'll do.

However, I'm not totally clear on this part:



OK, well, I get MOST of this, i.e., some OS 9 apps require straight-up OS 
9 (not Classic mode) -- which is why I always wanted my G4 to be able to 
boot and run in OS 9. I'm also pretty sure that what you mean by 
"blessed" means that you see the little "9" on the OS 9 System Folder, 
and I do know the System Folder needs to be blessed in order to boot the 
Mac. Side note -- in my total pre-OS X days (OS 7.5.2 through 9.2.2), I 
was never able to bless a system folder. I knew you were supposed to 
option-drag it to the desktop, and I did, but somehow it didn't work for 
me. Anyway, I know about System Preferences being used to designate which 
OS 9 system folder to use in order to run Classic, but what I'm not so 
sure I get is this:

If I have a deliberately unblessed  OS 9 system folder, how is it going 
to be able to boot my Mac in OS 9 when I want it to? If the act of 
choosing a system folder in System Preferences to be used for Classic is 
what blesses it, why do I need a SECOND unblessed OS 9 system folder 
(which won't boot since it's unblessed, and won't be used for Classic if 
I don't select it to be used as such in System Preferences)? 

Thanks,

~Yersinia.


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Re: Please, G4, Spit out that CD for me...?


THANK YOU KRIS!!!



Yes, that started me up (although it was weird not seeing the "Welcome to 
Mac OS, Extensions Off" notice), I got into OS 9 OK that way. The G4's 
eject button didn't work in getting it to spit out the CD but I was able 
to change the startup back to Tiger, and in Tiger, the eject button works 
-- so I got the CD out.

So now I can go ahead with dc's "nuke and pave" reinstall of OS 9 on that 
drive. My backups are maintained really well, there's only a couple 
checks I need to make first before wiping the 20 GB HD and doing a REALLY 
CLEAN OS 9 installation.



This Option-Restart method always did work for me, until the recent 
issues. Maybe after I clean up that HD I'll be able to do it again.  :-)

Thank you so much!

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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9-problem with printer


mlitwin writes,



1. Welcome to our List, and to the (almost) always wonderful world of 
Mac. :-)

2. Thanks, but no, it's not actually a printer problem I'm having. I 
mentioned a printer driver issue (which doesn't actually affect my 
ability to print: my LaserWriter 4/600 PS works very well in OS X) in my 
description of the problem (an OS 9-on-G4 issue) because I had originally 
thought an error message I was getting with regards to a driver for the 
printer I used to use might have been relevant to the cause of my 
problem, and thought the gurus on the List would find it easier to help 
me if I gave them complete information/history of what was going on. It's 
not enough to say "My G4 won't boot or run OS 9" because there are 
frequently a lot of reasons that can cause trouble.

Anyhoo, h, while I'm here, time for a status report. Earlier today, 
dc ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) suggested I nuke and pave my OS 9 HD. I'd quote 
his/her exact suggestion and reasoning (most of which made excellent 
sense), except it's on the Powerbook 5300 and I'm now back up on the G4 
in Tiger, which is good, but back at Square One (Classic Mode is good in 
OS X but no bootable OS 9). So, here's the update:

1. Yup, my backups were good to go (with one minor update), so yes, I 
followed the Disk Utility "write zeroes" reformat that HD advice 
precisely. However, since I don't like multi-partitioning my HDs unless 
it's absolutely necessary (like on my iBook which only has one HD, so I 
gave that a small OS 9 boot partition), plus, since for two years I was 
booting and running 9 on this machine from that HD as single partition, I 
wanted to be able to do it again -- so I didn't follow the part of the 
suggestion to partition the HD -- I just reformatted it. Yes, I made sure 
the box was checked for installing OS 9 drivers.

2. On the nice clean HD, I installed OS 9 using the Mac OS 9.2.2 install 
CD from the pack of CDs I got with my Quicksilver (which would contain G4 
drivers, not G3 like from my old Beige and even older other OS 9 install 
CDs I have). It went mostly OK, i.e., I got a couple of unexpected 
prompts about it not being able to install Airport stuff, chose the 
"skip" option on that because I don't have Airport for my G4 anyway (and 
if I ever get it, I'll be using it solely on OS X). Maybe I got those 
prompts during the supposed clean install I thought I did shortly after 
getting my G4, but I don't remember, so they kind of surprised me. But, 
other than that, it installed fine.

3. Used the Classic Preferences from Tiger to set this up to run Classic. 
Yes, I did this "way back when" (i.e., originally, shortly after getting 
my G4 as mentioned above), and now I think I know what dc meant when 
he/she said OS X would make alterations which would bless this system 
folder -- it told me it had to make an Update, and I clicked to let it. 
That, I presume, was the "blessing." Right? Well, OK, that's what I did. 
Classic started up fine. However, when I did this "way back when," my 
G4's Option-Restart feature allowed me to choose my OS 9 HD to boot with, 
and if I chose that drive, it would boot and run in 9 (whining about the 
old printer driver notwithstanding -- it would whine saying it didn't 
have the driver, but when I clicked OK, it would proceed to run nicely in 
9, until recently when it started freezing up) -- but now when I 
Option-Restart, it only shows me my OS X HD. Doesn't matter if I do the 
Option-Restart by holding the Option key down while choosing Restart from 
the Apple menu or if I do it with the G4's power button.

So...like I said, I'm back to Square One: I can't make my Quicksilver 
boot and run in 9.

Any more suggestions, anyone?

:sigh:

~Yersinia.

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Re: Please, G4, Spit out that CD for me...?


Chuck writes,



Yes, that's it -- while the G4 is powered down, hold down the mouse 
button while simultaneously pushing the power button on the G4. The 
machine will boot up, but also the optical drive will open, so you can 
take out the CD (or DVD) which got "trapped" when the machine 
malfunctioned.

I don't know why it didn't work for me yesterday (needed to get my game 
CD out of the machine).  I was thinking maybe it was my "new" scroll 
wheel mouse which I didn't have back in March 2007 when, IIRC, Dana 
Collins told me to do this, and it worked then), so I temporarily 
switched back to the Apple Pro Mouse, but it still wouldn't work. So 
that's why I came screaming for help from the list. LOL.

Thankfully Kris Tilford's "hold down the shift key" suggestion worked -- 
I was able to boot extensions off in 9, change startup disk back to OS X, 
get back in Tiger and my game CD out of the machine (the normal way -- 
keyboard's eject button) so I could use the CD drive for the Mac OS 9 CD.

~Yersinia.






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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9


Chuck writes,

<"deliberately unblessed' ?  I've never heard of doing that for  
any reason.

The OS9 installations are 'blessed' as a part of the installation  
process. No special effort needed.>

Which is what I thought too! 



1. Okay. I have to reiterate my admission of being slightly confused at 
the part of dc's suggestion that I should have TWO OS 9s installed on my 
G4, one to run Classic with and one for booting/running OS 9. I learned 
about folders having to be blessed to be bootable way before I even had 
OS X, and simply installing the OS itself (7.x.x, 8.x.x, 9.x.x), from 
floppy or CD whichever applicable, would result in an automatically 
blessed System Folder which would boot the Mac you installed it on -- and 
that was my primary experience with Mac OS installations. The blessing 
business I learned about in conjunction with the idea of COPYING a System 
Folder from one Mac (or HD) to another -- you'd have to bless the copied 
one yourself to make that Mac or HD bootable (for a time I had two HDs in 
my Beige, but that was in the last year of having the Beige before 
getting the G4).

2. Yes, choosing an OS 9 System Folder from OS X's System Preferences 
does make changes to that System Folder -- when you do it, OS X asks you 
to "update." Update what specifically, I don't know, but apparently it 
has to do something with running Classic. However, I have no idea what 
making an OS 9 System Folder able to run Classic does to render that same 
System Folder unable to boot and run OS 9, especially when it's on a 
different HD from the OS X install, because:

For two years, the OS 9 System Folder on my 9 HD DID run Classic while I 
was in Tiger, and ALSO booted and ran straight-up OS 9 when I did the 
Option-Restart and selected the HD 9 was on -- once I did what I thought 
was a clean install of OS 9 ("cleaning up" after the Beige). It's only 
recently that this nice little dual bootability went south on me.

~Yersinia.



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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9


Kris writes,



You know, that never worked for me, back in the day when I tried it 
(several times).oh no waitI was told you had to drag the whole 
System Folder in and out for the blessing. I did that, and it didn't work.

But just the System file and Finder file?..interesting. Maybe 
I'll play with that if I can get my G4 to do OS 9 again.

~Yersinia.



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Re: Command-option p-r


Ken writes,



OMG, what timing you should mention this! I have yet to zap the PRAM on 
my G4 Quicksilver 867 (though I was discussing the possibility of maybe 
having to try it in an offlist email this morning), and this situation 
with your MDD is precisely what came into my mind, since my Quicksilver 
also has no power key on the keyboard, only on the front of the machine! 
I was wondering if it's even physically possible for me to do it on this 
machine. With my left hand the way it is, I can barely manage, if I 
position my hands slowly, the command-option-p-r but I need two hands to 
do it. My nose isn't especially pointy, but maybe it's pointy just enough 
to work while I somehow lean over and touch it to the Quicksilver's power 
button. Now the real challenge -- hands full on the keyboard, body 
twisted over to touch my nose to the power button on the Quicksilver 
(when I won't be able to tell where my hands are without being able to 
see, which I won't be able to do, and THEN

Hold for three chimes! LOL

Gosh, I really and truly hope I don't have to actually try this. Yes, I'm 
holding back as last resort. Suddenly, nuking and paving AGAIN doesn't 
sound so bad!

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Re: Command-option p-r


Len writes,



Kris writes,



Clark writes,



Len, Kris and Clark, ummm, you guys must not only be really coordinated, 
but have big hands as well.. ;-)

There is no way in hell I could get my hands positioned on the right keys 
in only a couple of seconds. I just can't move my fingers that quickly 
anymore, and, my hands are quite small -- for me, performing this 
operation absolutely requires that I use two hands.

Ken writes,



LOL! Ken, you took the words right out of my mouth!  (And, I don't know 
offhand where the PRAM battery IS inside this Mac.) I'm going to have to 
try it with my nose, but at least finding out I don't have to stay 
contorted/keep my nose mashed on the Quicksilver's power button until I 
hear the three chimes sounds like a little bit of a help. Which, I guess, 
brings us to.

Bruce writes,



and on this note, Ken writes again,



ROFLMAO!!! But of course, if my BF were here (he was here for the 
holiday weekend but went back to NH Sunday afternoon, alas) -- he'd hold 
down the keys and I'd just push the power button, with my FINGER.  :-)

But, alas, I actually do have to try it.  :-( Another 
nuke-and-pave/reinstall of OS 9 didn't work. I don't know how or why a 
PRAM zap should make my G4 boot OS 9 and not instantly freeze, and I 
honestly think it's voodoo for this, but someone suggested I should try 
it and I feel that not even trying it is synonymous with not doing 
everything I could have done. And who knows, maybe if I just move the 
keyboard over a little bit to the right, I won't have to contort quite so 
bad.

Ah well, OK, off to give it a try.

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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9

2008-12-06 Thread Yersinia

#x27;m sure some link I find at Google will both help me remember 
why I did that on the Beige, as well as tell me if it has anything to do 
with an OS 9 freeze situation.

This machine is supposed to both run Classic from OS X AND be dual 
bootable in OS 9 -- the G4 Quicksilver 867 specs say so (I checked 
again), and I was doing it myself on this very same machine for two 
freakin' years! There is no reason why this should be happening!  >:-P

(Yeah, I'm getting more than a bit frustrated!)

Well, maybe I'll have better news later.

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Re: Command-option p-r

2008-12-06 Thread Yersinia


Chuck writes,





1. OK, that sounds reasonable (although I'm still not fast enough to wait 
to position my fingers on the keyboard that fast -- I have to be on the 
whole thing from the beginning!). However, the PRAM zap didn't fix my 
problem.

2.  But anyway, LOL, actually doing the PRAM zap wasn't much worse on the 
Quicksilver than it had been on my prior Macs which had power keys on the 
keyboards. In fact, it was a little better than expected. I still needed 
to use both hands on the keyboard, and I was able to move the keyboard a 
little closer to the tower so I wouldn't have to be so contorted to get 
at it with my nose. Learning yesterday that I didn't have to hold down 
the power button throughout the entire procedure was DEFINITELY a big 
help! With the Mac shut down, I positioned my fingers on the keyboard, 
and touched the power button with my nose. As soon as I heard the first 
chime (almost immediately), I was able to remove my nose from the button 
and continue to hold down the keys for the remaining two chimes. I didn't 
time it, but I think the estimated 30 seconds was about right.

So, OK, now I know how to zap the PRAM on a G4 Quicksilver 867.  :-)

(Oh, and Bruce and Ken, if you're reading this, I'm sure it still would 
have made an entertaining picture... thank goodness nobody was here to 
take one! LOL!)

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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9

2008-12-06 Thread Yersinia


Paul writes,

< Have you tried using Conflict Catcher to set up
different boot sets?>

I don't even have Conflict Catcher, believe it or not.  

:-) But I do have some good news -- 

I can boot my G4 in OS 9 now and it doesn't freeze! The Open Firmware 
trick worked. It was a little strange when it came up, apparently my 
flash drive (which I'd used this morning but hadn't yet ejected, and kind 
of forgot about -- OK I'm ejecting now) decided to rebuild the desktop -- 
I got a dialog box with its name and it was saying it was rebuilding the 
desktop. I let it do this, then I got the Setup Assistant -- for once, 
not frozen. I was able to complete this and go on to recustomize my OS 9 
in Control Panels etc.. The menus are usable, the folders open, and so 
on. 

Now, I have to figure out why in the hell I got "The Sims Makin' Magic 
could not be opened because the TextEncodings cannot be found" or 
whatever prompt. When I can run this game in OS 9 once again, THEN I'll 
be happy. LOL.

About Open Firmware -- In addition to the "voodoo"  (i.e., "do it because 
everything else you tried failed") and how to do it, what I found from 
Google (a Canadian Mac site) provided what I consider a good explanation 
as to why I ended up losing OS 9 in the first place. It said,

"...when you make a major change to the internals of the computer, such 
as add new RAM, an upgraded processor, etc., one needs to reset the 
motherboard. On Old World Macs...one needed to press the CUDA switch to 
accomplish this task. On New World Macs this is done in the Boot ROM 
using some commands in Open Firmware. Here are the steps..."

Now OK, my Quicksilver G4 867 is a New World Mac, but...yeah it has a 
CUDA button. Now, since the last time I booted in OS 9 successfully, yes, 
there were hardware changes -- I bought more RAM and what I thought would 
be a "better" video card (my G4's RAM is maxed now with 1.5 GB, and the 
stock NVIDIA GeForce MX3 video card was replaced with a Radeon 9200, 
which is fine, but ended up not really solving the problem I though it 
would fix). When my BF installed the RAM and new video card, I did 
remember to ask him to press the CUDA button and he did, but the idea of 
resetting the Open Firmware didn't occur to me until TODAY!

So OK, I guess CUDA, though it exists on New World Macs, doesn't matter 
-- what does matter, if I ever have anything else installed in this 
machine, is to reset the Open Firmware, huh?

Whew, but at least I have my 9 back! And, booting into Open Firmware also 
requires me to use my nose! LOL

Thanks to everyone who responded to my pleas of desperation!  :-)

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Re: Command-option p-r

2008-12-07 Thread Yersinia


Kris writes,



And, Mac laptops also have their power buttons on the keyboard too. Alas, 
it wasn't my iBook (or one of my older Powerbooks) which needed the 
PRAM-zap (and OF reset) -- it was the desktop machine, which has a full 
size keyboard.

LOL

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Re: G4 Problem Booting OS 9

2008-12-07 Thread Yersinia


Charles Lenington writes,



Yeah, I did -- both times!

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Re: What Anti Virus?

2008-12-08 Thread Yersinia


Bruce writes,



ROFLMAO!

That bracket sounds like something my BF would invent, actually. It's 
probably too cold for cockroaches where he is, hence the reason I've 
never seen any at his house. As for me, not wanting to need a device like 
that is the reason for my Sunday afternoon ritual, whereby all garbage 
(contents of the bathroom and bedroom wastebaskets as well as the 
official kitchen trash can) is gathered and taken out to the dumpster. 
Still though, I should mention this to him.... LOL!

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Re: RAM compatibility between G3 and G4

2008-12-12 Thread Yersinia


Paul writes,



1. In my past experience of a few RAM upgrades from my BF's "Box O'RAM," 
if you have RAM sticks of a certain type, i.e., PC-100 SDRAM or PC-133 
SDRAM, those RAM sticks will work in any Mac which shipped with that kind 
of RAM. IMO, OWC problably lists and discusses their RAM that way because 
most customers aren't going to know what kind the Mac they own needs, and 
will want to know "what kind of RAM will be compatible with my Yikes?" 
(or whichever Mac it is they have). 

However, if you know what kind of RAM you need, any stick of that type 
should work in your Mac. Sometimes, you can use a different kind, i.e., 
it will work, but not as "intended." The G3/266 Beige DT I had bought 
from the Swap List had originally shipped with 32 MB of PC-66 SDRAM 
(though will support third party low profile RAM sticks), and in the end 
I had mine maxed out and it worked fine with three sticks of PC-100 SDRAM 
 (for a total of 768 MB). Now the bus speed on a G3 beige is 66 MHz, so 
the PC-100s I had in there were a bit "slowed down" on account of that 
(but still the machine loved that extra RAM), as compared to how they 
would have worked in, say my B&W, which has a 100 MHz bus speed and 
specifies PC-100 SDRAM. I could put a PC-133 stick in the B&W if I wanted 
to and it would probably work just like putting PC-100 in the Beige did.  
My G4 Quicksilver (to whom I gave two 512 MB PC-133 SDRAM sticks to max 
it out) which I bought from OWC, and when I bought them, I went in with 
"PC-133" on my mind, not "G4 Quicksilver 867," although I did see G4 
Quicksilver on the web page while looking to place the order. The new RAM 
was wonderful.

2. If you go to a site like www.everymac.com, you can look up the  specs 
on the Mac(s) you want to buy RAM for to find out what kind, as well as 
how much they shipped with and how much you can max them. If you buy the 
kind of RAM in the specs, you should be OK.

3. I've never heard of DIMM First Aid. Someone else will need to help you 
with that.  ;-)

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Re: upgraded to 10.4.11 -old file linkage issue

2008-12-20 Thread Yersinia


Del writes,



If you mean when you double click App's icon in the dock: Remove it from 
the dock, then open App's folder (Applications or wherever you keep it on 
the new HD) and drag App's icon from THERE back into the dock.

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My G4 Has Insomnia

2008-12-29 Thread Yersinia


Hi Listers,

Time to have more "fun" with my G4 Quicksilver 867 (Tiger 10.4.9/OS 9.2.2 
for Classic) here. I like to put it to sleep when I go to bed at night, 
and it always did (I'd click the mouse in the morning to wake it up) -- 
until the last two nights.

But yes, there's been a significant change, which I suspect is the cause 
of the insomnia -- we put a second monitor on it Saturday afternoon, and 
the insomnia started Saturday night.

Back in February, we replaced the stock NVIDIA GeForce MX2 video card 
with a Radeon 9200,  but kept the same monitor (19" Gateway EV910). All 
was well for a long time, but then I finally had a reason to want TWO 
monitors running at the same time.

This past Saturday, I shut down the G4 and my BF put the NVIDIA card back 
in so it could run a second monitor (15" NEC MultiSync XV 15+). Yes, I 
remembered to ask my BF to hit the CUDA button when he put the NVIDIA 
card in, and then we did a PRAM zap when we rebooted the machine (he held 
the keys, I pushed the power button on the G4, which BTW is now no longer 
nose-accessible so I'll never be able to do that myself anymore unless I 
can do it with the big toe of my right foot!).When the computer is up and 
I'm using it, it's terrific: both monitors work, the Mac works, yes the 
second monitor is as helpful as I anticipated, and it's all wonderful. 
But when I wanted to go to bed Saturday night:

I put the Mac to sleep as usual from the Apple menu -- or should I say, I 
tried to -- it wouldn't go to sleep at all.  Tried again -- it went to 
sleep, but woke back up again within a minute or two. So I then go to 
Energy Saver -- the settings hadn't changed, but OK, apparently they 
didn't work for the new setup, so I changed them. Originally, I had it 
set so just being inactive didn't make the computer sleep at all (Never), 
but that the screen saver should kick in at 10 mins of inactive time (and 
the box to put the HDs to sleep when possible was checked). I changed 
this so the computer should sleep at 1 min inactive (just to see) and the 
screen saver to 5 mins. It went to sleep but woke up again -- as soon as 
I had crawled into bed! Well I was really tired and said hell with it. 
When I got up in the morning, the screen saver was on (which didn't used 
to be the case). G.

OK, so yesterday I mess with the Energy Saver again, I set it to one hour 
inactive to go to sleep, and screen saver back to 15 mins. At bedtime, I 
get in bed, and while I'm tired, I'm not tired enough to pass out 
immediately, and I hear the computer wake up, go back to sleep, wake up 
again, at about  8 minute intervals  (?!??!?!?!) and it's definitely 
inactive -- I'm in bed and it's on the desk across the room from me (and 
my BF had gone home, hahaha so he wasn't using it either!).  It did that 
three times before I fell asleep. When I got up this morning, it seemed 
to be asleep (the monitors were dark, clicking the mouse got me back to 
my desktop).

Well, IMO this is all just weird. Why won't my G4 just go to sleep from 
the Apple Menu anymore, why does it keep waking up, and what happened to 
WYSIWYG with the Energy Saver settings?

I REALLY liked being able to just put my Mac to sleep at night instead of 
shutting it down the way I did when I was totally on OS 9is this the 
price I have to pay for the second monitor?

Thanks,

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Re: Tattle tale????

2008-12-30 Thread Yersinia


Jasiu wrote:



U...just curious, but can't you get this information from Activity 
Monitor?



"If one observes shit congregating in the vicinity of a fan, it is 
prudent to unplug the fan."


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Re: Things that make sysadmins squeal like beatles fans at Idlewild...

2009-01-23 Thread Yersinia


Bruce writes,

http://www.sveinbjorn.org/platypus> >

YES! PLATYPUS ROCKS!

My boyfriend showed me this when he decided we had to write a couple of 
"Sims download processing" applications about a year ago (oh yeah, 
Valentine's weekend last year). He said we were just going to sit down 
and do this (quite probably because he was tired of hearing me complain 
about how tedious this could get). He said he needed me, since I'm the 
actual Sims player (he doesn't play himself), to tell him what they had 
to be able to do/how the game sees particular kinds of files, and he, the 
Unix man, would write the bash scripts -- so that's what we did. After we 
got it working and repeatedly tested, he took us to the Platypus website, 
where we made really nice packages for them: MacSimSorter and 
MacSkinSorter (and I bookmarked the site!). Then he said, "Release them 
into the wild," which I did at one of my Sims forums and recently I got 
an owner of a Sims downloads site to host them also. Those two little 
applications (in my Dock at all times!) have since spared me and quite a 
number of Mac Sims 1 players a LOT of time consuming tedium!

I don't know why it didn't occur to me to mention Platypus back then, but 
seeing you mention it now, I had to agree it was wonderful.

~Yersinia.





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Re: Quicktime Vs Aspyr

2009-02-01 Thread Yersinia


Has anyone else been hit by this upgrade to Quicktime 7,6 and it 
>incompatibility with some Aspyr products. My daughter is going thru 
>Sims 2 withdrawal and I'm missing Civilization 3.  One list I looked 
>at suggested 'reverting to QT7.5  What would be the best way to do 
>this till Apple and  Aspyr come up with a patch?  Dual 
>1.8/4gRAM/OS10.4.11/QTpro7.6

Apple really screwed up with this.  And downgrading QuickTime is NOT 
easy unless you've kept good backups.

MacFixIt has detailed instructions.

<http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20090125215418693>

- Dan>

Jeff, I really and truly hope Dan's suggestion works for you, and OMG 
offer my sympathies to your daughter on her Sims withdrawal, because 
Aspyr sucks. Know this:

For the past couple of years, I've been a pretty active member of the 
online Sims community and I've read numerous stories from other Simmers 
in the Mac Sims areas of the forums, none of which were even remotely 
encouraging. In addition, The Sims 3 is going to be officially out "any 
minute" now. Therefore, do not count on Apple or especially Aspyr to do 
anything meaningful to support The Sims 2 anymore, presuming their 
support of it was acceptable in the past.

Aspyr TOTALLY STOPPED SUPPORTING The Sims 1 (MY game: I didn't like Sims 
2) WAY BEFORE THEY STOPPED SELLING IT even, and Apple didn't give a 
flying f*** in the past when its OS X Tiger update from 10.4.2 to 10.4.3 
COMPLETELY FUBAR BROKE the Sims 1 create-a-sim, wardrobe and pet adoption 
screens (an issue I'm stuck with on my G4 that has made me seriously 
consider downgrading my Tiger on numerous occasions ever since my G4 
started freezing when I booted in OS 9) -- and Aspyr didn't care either, 
they said it was Apple's issue, according to a Mac Simmer at TSR who had 
posted about the problem and her experience in contacting both Aspyr and 
Apple at the time. I know another Mac Simmer who discovered that Aspyr's 
Sims 1 Complete Collection did not make the objects from the Deluxe sets 
usable on Mac (Complete Collection for PC had all the Deluxe stuff, and 
PC Simmers could use it as-is immediately), and she had to hack them all 
herself to be able to use them. She told me she's never going to buy 
another Aspyr game again because she's disgusted with what she called 
their "sloppy programming" and lack of support. 

Good luck

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Re: OS9 Image Viewer/Slideshow App Suggestions?

2009-02-03 Thread Yersinia


Richard writes,




I really liked Jade 1.2. I miss it actually. Here: 


http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macos/2248&mode=feedback&vid=224
9

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Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!

2009-02-27 Thread Yersinia


Hi Listers,

After about 6 months of procrastination, tonight I finally did The Deed:  
Nuke and pave to single partition my iBook's HD and clean it up but good. 
All was going beautifully, actually it IS going beautifully, except for 
ONE CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT THING:

There is no Classic pane in System Preferences!   :-O

I don't nuke and pave often, but I've done it enough to make sure that 
the little box for OS 9 drivers is checked in Disk Utility is checked -- 
and I know it was checked tonightand I've also never opened my System 
Prefs and not seen the "9" Classic in the System area -- UNTIL NOW!!

Tech Info:

iBook G3/800, 30 GB HD, 640 MB RAM -- installed OS X Tiger 10.4.3 from 
DVD, then ran 10.4.9 Combo Updater. 

After post-updater reboot and confirmation that I was in 10.4.9 by 
popping About This Mac, I started loading in all the data gathered onto 
the flash drives earlier today, including the OS 9.2.2 System Folder to 
run Classic. However, this system folder is recognized in the Startup 
Disk pane in System Preferencesnot that I plan to use it for that, 
but my iBook at least knows it's there!

Um, what did I screw up?   :blush

Will an Archive Reinstall somehow give me my Classic Prefs back?

Thanks,

~Yersinia.



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Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!

2009-02-28 Thread Yersinia


Bill Connelly writes,



OK -- as it happened, I went on with my moving data into the machine and 
recustomizing activities (why not -- an Archive Reinstall will preserve 
it if I have to do one, I figure) and yes, out of curiosity, when I 
put one of my Classic apps' icons in the Dock and double clicked it, 
Classic started up (but the app itself blew out, it wouldn't open, I'll 
need to investigate that later). And at THAT point, when I went to System 
Prefs, I DID finally see a Classic pane. I went in, checked it out, saw 
that it was set properly to "call on" the OS 9 System folder I'd moved 
in, but, it was still missing the option to put the little "9" icon in 
the menu bar. I could have sworn I got the little "9" in the menu bar on 
both my G4 originally, and then on the iBook when I first got it and set 
it up, by doing something in System Prefs Classic pane...maybe I'm senile 
and don't really remember, but OK.

Somehow your links didn't make it to your reply, Bill, but that's OK, 
I'll go to Mac Help myself and look up those topics.

Also...



No, you don't HAVE TO put OS 9 on its own partition -- it's BETTER to 
keep OS 9 separate from OS X when you plan on sometimes actually BOOTING 
the machine in OS 9, and in fact that's how I originally set up my iBook. 
However, it's not actually necessary to do it that way, particularly not 
in Tiger I'd read on this list some time back that earlier versions of OS 
X would futz up if they were "too close" to OS 9, but not Tiger When I 
got the iBook in July 2007, I had THOUGHT I'd need to boot it in 9 
occasionally, so I gave it a small (8 GB) OS 9 boot partition. As it 
happened though, I never needed to boot in 9 on the iBook at all (the 
only times I ever actually did boot the iBook in 9 was when I installed 
to test it, and then once last night immediately prior to the nuke and 
pave to see if it still worked, and yes it booted in 9) -- I only need to 
run Classic on it.  It's the *G4* I have to be able to boot in 9 with 
sometimes (and still can't, dammit! yet another still-unresolved issue, 
sigh)...And, on the G4, the OS 9 for booting is on a *different HD* from 
the OS X, which the Mac would treat as "on another partition," meaning 
it's OK. 

Because my iBook only has a 30 GB HD and I no longer have room for stuff 
I never use on it (such as a separate OS 9 boot partition), that's why I 
decided to nuke and pave it last night, to get rid of that unused 
partition and do some "clean up and streamline" as well as update certain 
things I'll be needing to use more in the near future.

All righty then, off to go to Mac Help. Thanks for the tip, Bill!

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Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!

2009-02-28 Thread Yersinia


Glen writes,



Yes, you can copy in an OS 9 System Folder from one Mac to another and 
expect it to run Classic under OS X, and boot the machine from its own 
partition. I know, because that's how I got OS 9 (both Classic-only, and 
boot-only) into that very same iBook in the first place. Classic ran 
great, and I was also able to boot the iBook in OS 9.

None of my various and sundry OS 9 install CDs will install OS 9 on my 
iBook, which I bought used on EBay and didn't come with any system disks. 
That's why originally, and now, I had to move OS 9 in by copying System 
Folders from my G4 (I do have system disks for THAT, but the OS 9 one 
wouldn't install on the iBook either).

Anyhoo, the issue is mostly fixed now, believe it or not -- I even got my 
little "9" back up in the menu bar!  :-)  I have one last problem with 
one app (all my other Classic apps open and run OK, I tested them), but I 
need to take that to the Claris Emailer list.

Thanks though!

~Yersinia.



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Re: Did I Do Something Stupid?! No Classic in System Prefs?!

2009-02-28 Thread Yersinia


Bill writes,



Dunno, I'll Google and if it's free and actually makes sense to me why I 
should have it, I'll download it. I never actually, seriously even looked 
into Carbon Copy Cloner, even though I've seen enough mention of people 
using it in here on these lists. I never really "got" why anybody should 
use a special program to copy or move files or folders, when (for me 
anyway) it could be done straight up with the Finder without having to 
mess around with yet something else.



Hahaha, I find this really amusing -- a little problem I run into because 
I decide I don't need the OS 9 partition on my iBook inspires YOU to 
UPGRADE yours!  *laugh*

Same thing happened when I went to the ClarisWorks folder ... any  
relation to Claris Emailer?>

Um, h, I couldn't tell you, sorry. I've never even had 
ClarisWorks 3. I started with ClarisWorks 4 in OS's 7.x.x and 8.x and 
used it until OS 9.1 FUBARed it, at which point I started using 
AppleWorks. (I've been using AppleWorks 6 for about, h, 4-5 years 
now?) I've never even heard of Switch, and I don't mess with QuickTime 
either. One of the first things I did when I first got OS X was take the 
QuickTime icon out of the Dock, and it's THE first thing I do when I open 
up a "new" OS X after a nuke-and-pave (remove all of what are, for me, 
useless icons, and QuickTime is first on my list of useless!). I have no 
idea how any of this would relate to Claris Emailer, which, I should 
mention, opened up and worked just fine on my iBook (until now!) and 
still runs beautifully on my G4 (same 10.4.9/9.2.2 OS configuration).



I don't do spreadsheets at home, and don't have NeoOffice...but believe 
it or not, I've actually considered going to an OS X native email client 
(Thunderbird, which my boyfriend told me about, he uses it on HIS Macs). 
I didn't like Mail.app (I did have reason to try it briefly not long 
before I found Thunderbird)...It was IMO too much like Outlook (which I 
already knew I hated from having used it at work in a Windoze only 
situation), which may be good for recent escapees from MicroBorg who want 
an easy adjustment to Macs and OS X, but I don't want to use anything 
MicroBorg-like!

So I downloaded and played with Thunderbird a little, and almost fell in 
love, except for one thing: It can't import my Claris Emailer folders! 
THAT was the dealbreaker. Ironically, Mail.app CAN import from Claris 
Emailer..except I don't like it otherwise! So, I'm still using my 
good old ancient Claris Emailer 2.0v3 for email.  I actually LOVE my 
Claris Emailer, and the only reason why I was considering switching to an 
OS X native email program at all was because I thought it, being more 
"modern," would work better than CE in wifi situations.

Ohhh wait... IDEA! Gotta pop open the Thunderbird and look since I don't 
recall off the top of my head, but I think it WILL import from Mail.app, 
so maybe if I import my ClarisEmailer stuff into Mail.app, and then 
import with Thunderbird from THERE...H, Maybe! (oh no, another big 
nasty Project likely to take a week or more, I know, but.something to 
look into!)

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Yersinia


M-hmm.been following this one quietly, now going to add

Over the Christmas holiday weekend while my BF was here, I shut down my 
G4 867 Quicksilver and my USB/Firewire external HD (40 GB drive in a 
LaCie enclosure), so he could put the original NVIDIA GeForce2 MX video 
card back in and hook up a second monitor on it (not to mention a major 
area cleanup-desk reorganization and reworking the "spaghetti"). While 
all that was successful, when it was all done and I powered everything 
back up, the external HD, which had always been Firewired to the G4, 
"disappeared."  That is, it didn't show up on the desktop, and the G4 
didn't know it was there in either Disk Utility or ASP).

Important Note -- Immediately prior to shutting down and starting this, I 
had updated my backups to the external HD over Firewire, and all was well 
with it. This sounds like the OP's issue -- his FW drive was working fine 
until he shut down, but when rebooting, he lost it, which is why this 
thread got my attention.

Second Important Note -- Although the Firewire is down on this drive, the 
drive comes up perfectly well with USB -- on the desktop, in Disk Utility 
and in ASP -- so I can still use it even though USB is suboptimal 
compared to the Firewire -- and is completely usable as well as visible 
on the desktop.

Firewire Experiment after USB showed that the HD itself was good and I 
could still make backups and transfer data albeit horribly slowly:

I only had the one FW cable, so we tried switching FW ports in the G4. No 
go -- it didn't matter which port we used; the drive only showed up when 
we plugged it back in with USB. My BF said this meant it could be a 
problem with either the cable OR the FW port on the external drive case. 
He said he'd take my cable home and test it on his system (he also has an 
external USB/Firewire drive), and if it failed, next time he came down, 
he'd bring another FW cable (a known working good), and we'd try it on 
mine, but this time, he said, if it didn't work, it would mean the FW 
port on my enclosure was bad.

Alas, I didn't even THINK to try my FW cable with the iBook (and my brain 
death gets even worse!), but it seems my cable was bad anyway at his 
house. Sooo, for his next visit...

He showed up over Valentine's weekend with a working FW cable he had just 
used himself on his own equipment and, just in case, a four port USB hub. 
No go on the FW with my machine, in either port -- which means I have no 
more Firewire unless or until I get another enclosure. And the worse part 
of the brain death - AGAIN it didn't occur to me to think of the iBook. 
If only I had, it wouldn't have taken me two days and two nights to do a 
massive data transfer to the iBook totally with USB flash drives. I'd 
have done my iBook nuke-and-pave while he was here with the good FW cable 
and moved all the stuff into the iBook straight out of the G4 with FW 
Target Disk Mode!  Thank goodness for the USB hub though -- at least now 
I can have my external HD and BOTH flash drives plugged in simultaneously 
when needed. That helps a little anyway...

But anyway -- how in the heck is it possible that just shutting down 
could have killed the FW port in my enclosure? I never dropped my 
external HD or spilled anything on it and when I used to move data from 
it into the iBook, I would simply unplug the end that was in the G4's FW 
port and plug it into the iBook's FW port...so other than the initial 
plugging in (first week of Aug 2007 when I got it), I had never even 
touched the enclosure's FW port! Even when we disconnected it from the G4 
after the shutdown (to be able to rearrange the area and get inside the 
G4 to make it run the second monitor), we did it from the G4's end.

:sigh:

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Yersinia


Wallace Adrian D'Alessio writes,



No, but next time my BF talks about coming down for a visit I'll ask him 
to bring a working FW cable with him and do it, then try again.



U, no. His Mac (dual 1 GHz G4 Quicksilver) is 300 miles away. But I 
WAS totally stupid not to even THINK to try with my iBook, which lives in 
the next room so is easy to carry in here! 

:blush:

But no matter what the result of trying it again after cleaning the FW 
ports, this time I'll also remember to bring in the iBook!

Mel writes,



This is (a) not physically possible for me to do myself (my BF installs 
all my upgrades for me because my left hand is partly paralyzed and I'm 
mechanically inept), and even if he was here right now, (b) it's not even 
an option anymore. Removing the NVIDIA would mean not being able to use 
the second monitor anymore! I had originally asked him to remove the 
NVIDIA last year (Feb 2008) because I had bought a Radeon 9200 which I 
thought would be better, so he took the NVIDIA out and installed the 
Radeonit only made a marginal difference, but I kept it in there 
anyway, didn't bother him to switch back. Later on in the year I realized 
I actually had a good reason to have 2 monitors on the G4 (an idea I 
actually got from him -- when I visited him in the summer, I saw he had 
*3* monitors on HIS G4, but it took me awhile to figure out why I'D want 
more than the one I had!). But, for me to have 2 monitors, I had to have 
2 video cards -- so I kept the Radeon where it was and asked him to put 
the NVIDIA in another slot and hook the second monitor up. He did, and I 
love having the two monitors. And what do video cards and monitors have 
to do with external Firewire anyway? 

Nestamicky writes,



Bruce writes,



H.yeah, we shut my FW drive off too when we shut down for the 
NVIDIA reinstallation. I never used to shut it off otherwise though (and 
it never kept my BF up at night when he's here hahaha!), and shutting 
down the G4 is something I only do infrequently, when it's necessary -- 
like trying to reboot it in OS 9 when I'm in THAT wrestling match, which 
I'll actually be doing soon, iBook Rebuild gave me an idea for another 
experiment to try when I get in the mood (probably voodoo but I'll try 
anyway since I'm still at a total loss!) -- or so my BF can install 
something for mewe don't mind a little humming around here!  ;-)

Anyway, Bruce, this would bring us back to your "flaky external FW cases" 
idea (I know the HD inside the case is good because I've been using it 
with USB to maintain my backups since the FW went down)...and that makes 
more sense to me than Nestamicky's suggestion (Nesta, IMO you should be 
more careful about ejecting USB stuff when you unplug it -- I've 
occasionally gotten angry dialog boxes at times even though I DID eject 
prior to pulling a flash drive out)...although Wallace's suggestion of 
cleaning the FW port sounds good too -- even if I can't operate on my G4, 
I can handle alcohol and a toothbrush. I know dirt can be bad for 
equipment, and my apartment is definitely not Martha Stewart!

Thanks all for your comments and suggestions.  :-)

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Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting

2009-03-02 Thread Yersinia


Mel writes,



You do make an interesting point, i.e., "Sometimes adding or changing a 
PCI card screws up what was working before," because it was after I got 
the Radeon video card (and maxed the RAM then too), my G4 stopped booting 
in OS 9, where it always did previously. 

The NVIDIA card is the one that actually came in my machine, but last 
year I got it into my head that a Radeon card would solve a particular 
problem, so when I bought one, my BF took the NVIDIA out and replaced it 
with the Radeon...which didn't REALLY solve my problem, but e, 
OK...so I put the NVIDIA away  Then at the end of the year when I decided 
I wanted to hook up the second monitor, I didn't see any problems with 
putting back the card which had originally come with this same 
machine.and I since I don't have to boot in OS 9 that often, I didn't 
realize THAT problem for a long time. But yes, something screwed up 
somehow before the Firewire on my external HD but only after I asked my 
BF to help me out messing with the video cards! And yes, CUDA was pressed 
at the initial installations, and later on PRAM was zapped too.

Mmmm, then again how do we know more messing around with the video cards 
might not make the problem worse instead of fixing it?!

Well, OK...next time my BF is here -- and if cleaning out the FW ports 
with toothbrush and alcohol doesn't do it -- yes, then maybe I'll try 
this. I really do need for him to do the messing around in the computer 
innards.

Thanks,

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2 Monitors, a Radeon and an NVIDIA (was Re: Firewire hard drives not mounting)

2009-03-04 Thread Yersinia


Aaron writes,

From the manufacturer's web site:

>Advanced Dual Display Support
>   Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions
>   and refresh rates
>Specifications
>   ...
>   Integrated TV-Out supports up to 1024x768 resolution
>   Multiple Display connections
>   DVI-I port
>   VGA port
>   S-Video port
>   DVI-I to VGA & S-Video to Composite adaptors included>

Wow, really? 

Hmmm...OK, looks like I don't have all the right adapters 
then...but I should also admit, I'm hardly what anybody could call "tech 
savvy" when it comes to matters like this. Up until I opened the box 
containing the Radeon, I had never even seen a video card! When I ordered 
it (over the phone with a  guy at OWC -- I called to confirm that it 
would work in a G4 Quicksilver 867 since the web page confused me -- and 
he took my order on the phone). But anyway, no adapters came with it, and 
no I didn't think to ask for any -- not tech savvy remember? I had 
ordered a couple of sticks of 512 MB RAM at the same time, and all that 
came in the box was the Radeon and the two RAM sticks.

Anyhoo, just now (prior to answering this) -- since in the December 
computer area reorganization to fit the second monitor on my desk, the G4 
tower got moved to an area where it's now even harder for me to look at 
its backside than it was before (so I can't even attempt to trace what's 
going out of the Radeon...or the NVIDIA for that matter), I went to ASP 
Graphics/Displays to see if I could figure out how it was hooked up. 
Result: yes, I see the Radeon running my primary monitor, a Gateway EV910 
19", and for the first time, I actually notice that it COULD be running a 
second display -- it says:

Display: 
   Status: No display connected.

But I have no idea from that what kind of adapter is running to the 
Gateway, or what I'd need to run into the secondary monitor (an ancient 
but functioning 15" NEC MultiSync XV15+). I still went to Google Image 
search in hopes of seeing the "backside" of a Radeon 9200. Couldn't find 
an image big enough for my aging eyes to be able to distinguish the 
ports, though, maybe just as well because I'm yet too ignorant to tell 
which is which..

OK, I'll give my BF a call tonight! Oh wait! OMG! NOW I remember why I 
had to wait till December to get the second monitor (the NEC) hooked up! 
I had suggested it in November, his previous visit. We brought the NEC 
into the bedroom where my computer desk is, but he looked at it and 
behind the G4, then we looked through that "Unidentified Computer Stuff" 
bottom drawer of my filing cabinet and he said I was going to need 
another video card, because I didn't have the right kind of adapter to 
connect the Radeon to the second monitor. I said I still had my old 
NVIDIA and went to get it, but it wasn't where I thought I'd put it, and 
20 minutes of looking, it didn't turn up. Naturally, I found it the day 
AFTER he went home! Anyway, since he hooked everything up, if I refresh 
his memory ("you couldn't make the Radeon drive both monitors because I 
was missing an adapter -- so what kind am I missing?" -- he'll be able to 
tell me what it was, and if he doesn't have one at home (he always brings 
stuff like that if he has it, and most of the time, he has "it," whatever 
it is!), I could post a WTB on the Swap List to get one.

WOW. Thank you, Aaron! :-)

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Re: CADIE!

2009-04-01 Thread Yersinia


Bruce writes,



This is what I thought of, too...

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Oh No, I Should Switch Emailers Too! (was Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird)

2009-05-06 Thread Yersinia

t this 
morning when it was "finished," only 14,000-something of the emails had 
imported. :-O

In the meantime, yesterday afternoon while proceeding with the Mail.app 
imports, I also discovered the disturbing fact that no, Thunderbird will 
not import from my Mail.app, and some Googling revealed the fact that 
Mail.app under Tiger has a different "mbox" structure as compared to 
pre-Tiger, and I'll have to convert the Mail.app imported email to make 
Thunderbird take it. It seemed so overwhelmingly complicated (the more I 
read, the more confused I got, and I was reading for a couple of hours 
while I proceeded with Mail.app imports) -- I decided to nix 
Thunderbird.I continued with my one-emailbox-at-a-time imports, and 
decided to read up on Mail.app in my Tiger: The Missing Manual book. 

Most of the stuff I'm reading about it, I find I actually like -- in 
spite of the Outlook taste it had when I first tried it, Mail.app does 
all the stuff CE does (CE was just "ahead of its time"), and most of it 
in the same or similar ways. So I think, once I get my CE mails all 
imported, I'll start using Mail.app. I'm a little bummed I won't break 
out of the Proprietary box on email, but I remind myself, I've been in 
that very same box with CE for the past 13 years anyway. And Mail.app is 
right here "for free" since it came with Tiger, and because it's newer 
than CE and Tiger-native, I won't run aground with it in the same ways 
I'm running aground with CE now. But I've seen plenty of people having 
Mail.app problems on this list over the years, and now I myself just had 
a problem with one of my most important (if not THE most important!) CE 
mailboxes not importing in full (the one I mentioned with 
20,000-something emails), so I'm feeling apprehensive at best.

So I ask you G-Listers:

1. Is Mail.app REALLY actually any good for an Email Pack Rat like me? 

2. If I try to import that Big Email Box again, what can I do to make 
sure the whole thing takes?

3. Curiously, have any of you imported from Mail.app to Thunderbird with 
that conversion thing? If so, did you have an easy time with it and are 
you happy with Thunderbird?

4. Are there other open source email clients into which I can import 
directly from CE?

Thank you in advance for your insight and suggestions.

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Re: Oh No, I Should Switch Emailers Too! (was Re: Mail, Eudora T-bird)

2009-05-06 Thread Yersinia


Bucky writes,



Either you're not an "email pack rat" or you're very young and only just 
got started! LOL.



Ummm, thank you, but no thank you. I spent a whole week in 1996 trying to 
get Eudora to work at all, and couldn't. That was when I vowed never to 
go near Eudora ever again for any reason. To me the idea of trying to use 
Eudora is just as repugnant as the idea of getting a Windoze PC! LOL. 
There's gotta be a way to get the darn Mail.app to import my old CE email 
in full and correctly! (yes, been fighting with that again all day today 
too)

Crap oh crap oh crap!  :-(

Sorry everyone, I'm just cornered and frustrated. My email is crucial to 
me, especially that Big Folder with the 20,644 emails, most of which 
concern and contain a sci fi fantasy worldbuild I worked on with a 
cowriter which extended over a period of 8 years and I NEED to always be 
able to get at that stuff!

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Re: Oh No I Need To Switch Emailers!

2009-05-07 Thread yersinia


Well hello everyone

it took me awhile, and yes, a program (Emailchemy) but I actually 
did it! I got all 13 years/32,262 emails out of Claris Emailer -- and 
into THUNDERBIRD!

This email is coming to you on Thunderbird now (it's my third since 
migration). Oh, and you all know what ELSE this means? Since last week I 
broke down and "beat" my "G4 won't boot in OS 9 bug" by buying and 
installing Panther (10.3.2) on that HD -- and that cured the problem for 
which OS 9 had originally been the only cure, I'm totally off OS 9 
except for Classic Mode...and that only for two very old programs which 
are still vital and won't run without Classic. Nope, there's no 
replacing those last two, not unless I write my own replacements, or 
stop modding my Sims game...both of which are doubtful. (Oh, and since I 
don't use those two programs when booted in Panther -- still on Tiger 
most of the time -- I didn't even set up my Panther drive to RUN Classic!)

Thunderbird is pretty cool so far though. There's some "pain in the neck 
things" (one of which I thought getting off Claris would fix...sigh) but 
I attribute that to my usual lack of skill in adjusting to change! I'll 
get used to it pretty soon though, given the usual volume of my email 
habits.

Anyway, thought I'd mention I actually got up and running with 
Thunderbird, after all my moaning and groaning... Please pass me some 
cheese to accompany my whine!

:-)

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Re: Oh No I Need To Switch Emailers!


Al Poulin writes,



Yes. I only have ONE use for Panther (for which I previously was using 
OS 9 until it stopped booting on my G4). When I'm booted in Tiger (which 
is 99% of the time), my Sims game graphics in the Create-a-Sim, wardrobe 
and pet screens are totally FUBAR. I don't use those screens on a 
frequent basis, but when I need them, I need them -- UNBOLLOXED.

This is a known problem that happens on Tiger from 10.4.3 up -- so I've 
had it since getting my G4 in September 2006, which came with Tiger 
10.4.7 on it (and which I had also upgraded to 10.4.9 which is where 
it's staying).  Apple doesn't care about this problem and neither does 
Aspyr, the company who ported the Sims for Mac -- they didn't at the 
time 10.4.3 came out and the problem was current, and presently, all 
support for Sims 1 is long gone (it's not even sold anymore, anyone who 
wants to buy the original Sims game now has to buy used at this point). 
So when I found myself on 10.4.7 and needed those screens, I used to 
just boot into OS 9, fire up the game for long enough to make the 
changes I wanted, then go back to playing in Tiger (it plays very well 
in Tiger: this graphics bolloxing on the G4 is the ONLY issue). 
Unfortunately, my G4 stopped booting in OS 9 last year after some 
upgrades to the video card and RAM, so I couldn't do that anymore, and a 
year of NEVER being able to boot the game in 9 to get around the 
graphics bollox was driving me completely up the wall, to the point 
where I seriously considered a full downgrade of my G4 to Panther 
10.3.9. My Tiger install DVD is 10.4.3 and I had no idea how to 
archive-reinstall with that and then downgrade to 10.4.2 so I'm stuck 
with the Sims graphics-FUBARing version of Tiger and in that case may as 
well keep 10.4.9. Finally (about 2 weeks ago) it occurred to me that I 
didn't have to downgrade my whole G4 to Panther, all I had to do was 
install Panther on that one hard drive which used to be my OS 9 boot drive.

So last week I received the Panther disks I bought from the Swap List, I 
  nuked-and-paved the old OS 9 drive installed the Panther, put my data 
back on (which includes my Sims games: I play with two installations). I 
booted the G4 in Panther, fired up one of my games under Panther and 
VOILA -- problem solved: those screens look normal again!  :-D Knowing 
that the Panther install CDs I bought were 10.3.2, while waiting for the 
order to come in, I downloaded the 10.3.9 Combo Updater, but...haven't 
seen the need to install it. 10.3.2 worked well enough for my purposes.

The only time I need to boot the G4 in Panther (as was the case when I 
was booting it in OS 9) is when I want to create a new sim, or have my 
existing sims change clothes or adopt pets. Everything else I do on my 
G4, Sims and otherwise, can be done in Tiger, so that's where I am most 
of the time. Now included.

While installing Panther fixed my Sims graphics problem, alas it kicked 
off the unacceptable behavior of my Claris Emailer on the G4. I had just 
more or less gotten used to the idea that I couln't use CE on the iBook 
(it's been two months since that happened), but when it got weird on the 
G4 I got scared and felt I had to change emailers to something OS X 
native "before it's too late" and I lose everything. It was crucial to 
me to be able to CONTINUE The Collection, not just archive it somewhere 
and start anew with the new email client, so that's why the migration 
was such a big deal. Thankfully, it worked.

~Yersinia.

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Re: Oh, No, I Have to Switch Emailers


Denny writes,



If Eudora is functioning for you at 100% capacity and you still love it, 
there is no reason in the universe why you should have to switch. The 
ONLY reason why I felt I HAD to stop using Claris Emailer is because it 
was no longer functioning at 100% capacity -- I haven't been able even 
OPEN it for reference purposes on my iBook at all for the last two 
months, and since my installation of Panther on the former OS 9 drive on 
the G4 last week, it's been acting very strangely on the G4 too and I 
got scared to NOT migrate. By the way, should the time come where your 
"dead" Eudora decides to give up the ghost on YOUR Mac(s), I highly 
recommend Emailchemy if you're an email pack rat and need to migrate all 
your old mail to your new email client.



Yup! :-D

1. I hope it's obvious to you, since I mention the fact that I require 
Classic for two of my Sims-modding programs, that I'm talking about Sims 
1, the original game, not Sims 2 -- wow, you play Sims 1 on a Mac1?!?!?! 
Coolio! If so, we really need to talk offlist! :-D Feel free to email me 
at any time.

2. There are actually a FEW programs you should be using for Sims 1 on a 
Mac if you mod your game. The two most important, which require Classic are:

GUID Checker (to find and fix object ID conflicts in downloaded objects, 
which is a very serious and common problem that can bollox your game, 
but 100% preventable if you use GUID Checker) and Sim Show for Mac (to 
test downloaded skins). Both of these are free programs, but they were 
designed for OS's 8.6 through 9.2.2 and will not run at all under 
straight OS X. The good news is that they're freeware. Get'em here:

GUID Checker can be downloaded at at Around the Sims:

http://www.aroundthesims.com/news/mac_tools.html#exclusive

Sim Show for Mac can be downloaded at MacNation:

http://www.macnation.org/games/sims/utils.html

Please note that all the other "Required Programs" (plus ones that make 
modding so much easier/faster) can be found at Around The Sims and 
MacNation (links given above, they're on the same pages as GUID Checker 
and Sim Show). These would be:

Skin Shrinker (at MacNation) -- required to make your downloaded skins 
Mac compatible (unless you have really good eyesight. Um wait, this also 
requires Classic Mode.

MacSimSorter and MacSkinSorter (at Around the Sims), which, if I may 
brag for a moment here, me and my boyfriend wrote together (I know the 
game, he knows how to write scripts)! (oh and we have two more programs 
on the way:  our MacSimFinder is ready for "packaging" and release, Kopy 
Kat (Mac version of Lot Manager) is still in the works. Ours are all OS 
X native, though. MacSimSorter and MacSkinSorter make Downloads 
Processing SOOO much EASIER and FASTER! MacSimSorter is for objects, 
walls and floors. MacSkinSorter is for skins, and spits 'em out all 
ready to be dropped on Skin Shrinker and popped into Sim Show for 
screening and testing.

Depending on how seriously you take your modding, i.e., if you want to 
create your own objects or hack your downloads, you will also need these 
programs: IFF Snooper and TFar, which are both free AND OS X native 
(though Peter still kicks out OS 9 versions). Pick 'em both up at:

http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/simlouvre/files/

MAKE SURE you get the NEWEST version of IFF Snooper, which is 1.2.4a5. 
This recent update allows you to declare local variables and parameters 
  in the header, as well as change parameters within lines, 
pointy-clickey easy in the BHAV editor, instead of having to export 
hex/end up with seriously crossed eyes to do these things, and they're 
vital if you're serious about your Sims hacking.

And lastly, on this simmmie stuff, whether you're just a downloadaholic 
or a would-be creator of custom content for Sims 1, you'd be well 
advised to pay the Simblesse Oblige forum a visit. This total fount of 
information is here:

www.simblesseoblige.com

Happy Mac Simming!

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Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?


Hiya again Listers,

I'm happy enough with the Thunderbird setup on my G4 to want to flash
drive it over to the iBook (also running 10.4.9). I'd like to confirm
what has to be copied so it'll function correctly on the iBook...here's
what "common sense" tells me I need:

Thunderbird.app (from Applications).

Any .plist stuff for Thunderbird (in ~users/Library/Preferences).

Am I missing anything?

Thank you,

~Yersinia


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Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?


Hiya again Listers,

I'm happy enough with the Thunderbird setup on my G4 to want to flash 
drive it over to the iBook (also running 10.4.9). I'd like to confirm 
what has to be copied so it'll function correctly on the iBook...here's 
what "common sense" tells me I need:

Thunderbird.app (from Applications).

Any .plist stuff for Thunderbird (in ~users/Library/Preferences).

Am I missing anything?

Thank you,

~Yersinia

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Re: Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?


Bruce writes,

<~users/Library/Thunderbird which is where everything is stored.>

THANKS! :-D I got it ALL done now: paid my Emailchemy shareware, cleaned 
up the 'demo mess' with the real one and moved Thunderbird and My 
Collection over to the iBook!

Woo-hoo! :-)

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Re: Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?


Stephen writes,



Ehhh, I won't start any flame wars with you. As it happens -- even 
though I hadn't seen your email yet -- what you suggested is exactly 
what I did. I didn't have Tbird ON the iBook yet, so, after "cleaning 
up" my new Tbird mail database on the G4 with the full version of 
Emailchemy, I copied Tbird's installation disk image, as well as the 
~users/Library/Thunderbird like Bruce suggested onto the flash drive, 
and moved the whole thing into the iBook -- where I installed Tbird, 
booted it, shut it down and copied in that folder to ~users/Library in 
the iBook. Then I rebooted Tbird, checked my folders and...

BEEYOUTEEFUL! Er, at least if I have to reference any emails while on 
the iBook -- all of it made the transition. I haven't had opportunity to 
test it online for send/receive email yet. I will probably do that 
tomorrow. But I don't expect problems, I mean, Tbird is picking up and 
sending my emails on the G4, as you can see!

I'm still in the 'adjustment' phase with TBird -- I don't regret the 
decision but after 13 solid years of using Claris Emailer, change is 
definitely noticeable. I'm sure it'll only take me a week or two for my 
brain, which you all know is shielded by a solid neutronium skull, to 
fully kick into it. And in some respects, I'm actually enjoying the 
newness! I liken my new Tbird experience to when I first got OS X, only 
on a smaller scale since it's just an emailer, not a new operating 
system -- I'm finding things some things I like better, finding other 
things a pain in the neck, but the overall result is that I like it.

Oh, a barbecue? Please pass me the spare ribs! :-)

~Yersinia.

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Re: Thunderbird from G4 to iBook: Which Stuff to Copy?

2009-05-09 Thread yersinia


Stephen writes,



Oh cool, another Tbird user who is also an email pack rat! No, I don't 
keep ABSOLUTELY EVERY SINGLE EMAIL I get, though. What I keep is: 
anything with valuable pertinent info I either need or think I'll need, 
as well as personal correspondence.  Take my Macintosh folder as an 
example, which has subfolders for every LEM list I've ever been on plus 
a few folders for offlist LEM-Lister correspondences I've had: in 
addition to saving my own posts/people's replies, if someone ELSE posts 
a question to a list pertinent to a Mac I own or the OS I'm using 
whether it applies right now or not or I think I might need the info 
later on, I save it. I also save not only my own Swap List 
correspondence/transactions, but also all good/bad seller Swap List 
Feedback. Whenever I want to buy something on the Swap List and off the 
top of my head I don't "know" the seller, I look him/her up in my list!

Now I know I COULD get rid of the subfolders for lists I'm not on 
anymore, but that's the "pack rat" in me: I don't want to! As for 
correspondence: I keep both ends -- if I answer an email, I keep both 
the one I received plus my reply. About 75%  of my personal 
correspondence is of the "brainstorming" and "troubleshooting" variety 
(yes, even my non-Mac interests, which include microbiology, rat medical 
care, detailed writers' worldbuilding/critique group memberships/story 
exchanges, and, for the past three years, Sims gaming/modding/hacking). 
As to the 25% of my non-Mac-related email which is purely social type 
personal correspondence, I keep that because it's FUN, several years 
later, to go back and read some of that stuff (even from people I'm no 
longer in contact with) -- and some is sentimental (emails from/to my 
boyfriend: the modern equivalent of "love letters" I guess).

None of this goes all the way back to the 80s though, but that's only 
because I didn't get my first computer (Mac Performa 475, OS 7.5.3) 
until 1995!

Thank you for the tips about keeping my Tbird inbox clean, but I'm not 
just an email pack rat, I'm OCD about it (and the way I keep my Macs) in 
terms of being Supremely Organized -- if only I would trouble to keep my 
APARTMENT like I keep the contents of my Macs! Talk about a study in 
contrasts, though! I would have to go out of town for several days to a 
week (WITHOUT my iBook, that is, which ain't happenin'!) for 1419 emails 
to even have a chance to pile up on my ISP's mailserver. As it is, email 
gets checked several times a day.

Of everything that comes in necessitating a reply, 80% gets same day 
attention -- the rest within 2-4 days. In Claris Emailer I set it up so 
that once I read an email from the inbox, it would automatically shunt 
over to a box called Read Mail. I dunno if Tbird does that yet (I 
couldn't find anything, but then again I'm still new to it), so for the 
time being I made my own Read Mail folder, so after I read my email from 
the Tbird inbox, I kick it over to Read Mail manually. That's one of the 
pains in the neck, but that does get it out of the inbox...and maybe 
I'll be able to make Tbird do it instead of me having to do it. Well 
anyway, in CE, once a week I'd go through the Read Mail and Sent Mail 
folders, switch the view to Date to From/To (which is Sender in Tbird, 
which does have a Sent folder at least), and file all the email to 
appropriate personal folders (I love the way my imported mail was 
handled by Tbird: not only can I do the filing in Tbird just like I did 
in CE, but I have it all in a main "Personal Logs" folder which I can 
flippy triangle up so it looks nice and neat!). So far on Tbird I've 
been filing daily, only because I still have yet to develop a "system" 
for OCD Email Handling. Then again I did say I'm still in the 
"adjustment phase' with it. Probably I should just break down and go to 
the Tbird web site or click the Help, and see if I can find some kind of 
user manual pdf of sorts, rather than keep on poking through 
mysteriously on my own like I've been doing.

I'm still on the G4 -- I guess I should finish up my Morning Coffee 
email, flash drive Tbird update over to the iBook (to include this and 
last night's emails), and make sure Tbird actually does send/receive 
email from my ISP on Tbird as well as it's doing on the G4 so far.

~Yersinia.

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Re: Sending e-mail problem

2009-05-09 Thread yersinia


Cliff writes,



Probably not through CoxNet.

I have this same problem sending email out on my iBook (10.4.9) when I'm 
at a wifi hotspot: I can pick up email with my POP3 client but not send. 
My emailer is configured to my own ISP's outgoing mailserver, not the 
wifi provider's.

My suggestion: ask your in-laws for their outgoing mailserver info and 
put that into your email client for while you're at their home.

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Shocking! Email Wasn't The Only Migration!

2009-05-10 Thread yersinia


OMG, Listers!

It looks like this past week's migration from Claris Emailer to the OS X 
native Thunderbird email client was not only successful in itself, but 
has resulted in something totally bizarre: realizing I don't even need 
to have Classic Mode ON all the time anymore!

Just got up, having morning coffee...last night, having declared Tbird 
"fully trustworthy," I set it in both my account settings not to leave 
any more email on my ISP's mailserver at all anymore -- and then went to 
my ISP's web site and cleaned out the inboxes for both my addies...and 
just now, I also finally took the Claris Emailer icon out of the Dock too.

So I'm sitting here, staring at my "strange" new Dock (I check email a 
LOT, so the lack of the Claris Emailer icon is definitely...strange! 
What's running? L ro R: Dashboard (OS X), Safari (OS X), Tbird (OS X) 
and my Sims game (Carbonized). I stare, and think for a moment...go up 
to the little 9 and turn Classic off. Of course, those apps stay running 
-- they're native or compatible with OS X. Then I click the icons for my 
vital but decidedly legacy GUID Checker and Sim Show (which I know 
aren't even Carbonized) -- and Classic starts right up on GUID Checker! 
I forgot it would do that, I've been running this G4 since discovering 
on Day One (September 21, 2006) I could specify in System Prefs to 
automatically boot Classic at startup, so it was NEVER off! Anyway, 
sincer I didn't need to actually use GUID Checker when I clicked it, I 
turned Classic back off.

And then, I find myself actually wishing for the impossible -- that 
someone could Carbonize or write OS X native versions of GUID Checker 
and Sim Show! (and I know a 3rd party Sims-modding app programmer who 
puts out both OS 9 and OS X versions of HIS program when he updates it, 
so I decide to contact him and ask about the feasibility of this/if he'd 
be interested, to ask what's involved in making an OS 9 program OS X 
native!)

Took me two and a half years, but even though I still need Classic for 
those last two programs, since I wish I didn't, I really DID make it all 
the way into OS X! I don't believe it!!!

faints

How long did it take the rest of you old stubborn Legacy die-hards?

~Yersinia.

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Re: Shocking! Email Wasn't The Only Migration!

2009-05-10 Thread yersinia


JT writes,



Wow, cold turkey huh?! Well, when I first got my G4 my original 
intention was to run in straight-up 9 for awhile and THEN try OS X, but 
things didn't go according to plan, and I spent my first several days 
"totally stuck" in the Tiger 10.4.7 it came with. Although, while 
waiting for the G4 to actually arrive, since I knew it would have Tiger 
ON it, I had been reading that conversion book about going from 9 to X, 
so I knew I could put my legacy apps in the Dock (in addition to being 
able to set System Prefs to boot Classic on startup). While that forced 
early immersion in Tiger did turn me on to the good things about OS X, I 
was still extremely worried I might need to actually boot in 9 at SOME 
point (I turned out to be almost right, although it's only for one 
application, and only occasionally)...so I doubt I could've done cold 
turkey! LOL

It also took me a year to realize, once my G4 gave me the finger on 
booting in "real 9" ever again (was it trying to tell me something? LOL) 
that no, I DON'T need to boot in 9 even for that one circumstance -- 
that putting Panther on that one HD would do the trick just as well! 
Although I did still choose to include the OS 9 drivers in the Panther 
install last week (and put an OS 9 system folder on that HD), I didn't 
actually take the time to go to Classic in the System Prefs or try 
booting Classic on it.

I'm up on Tiger now, Classic is off (and no longer set to boot on 
startup). Much to my surprise, I did find out I needed to briefly run 
GUID Checker today...and I didn't mind waiting for Classic to boot up 
before GUID Checker would open!

Wow..let's hear from the rest of you stubborn diehards and 
slowpokes! I may have taken the longest to even TRY OS X, but I know 
there were a few others who were resistant. Dorayme, you were one of 
them IIRC? :-)

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Re: New to Mac - Just purchased used G4

2009-05-10 Thread yersinia


MacG4 and Kris:

<> > The Mac already has 10.4 on it.  Just that I dont have the disc in
 > > the case i need it.

For the cost of the disc you could buy a HD and clone your working
System. I know it's nice to have the disc, but with Tiger being so
stable, it's kinda hard to imagine a scenario where a disc would be
preferable to a working backup.>

Personally, I consider having BOTH an external backup AND a 
boot/installation disc of the operating system(s) one is using to be 
ABSOLUTE NECESSITIES.

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Bigger Internal HDs & Bigger External Firewire/USB HD

2009-05-12 Thread yersinia


Hiya Listers,

I'm actually "upgrading" again soon. Just ordered 2 x 250 GB internal
ATA HDs from the Swap List. Also, since the FW died on my external HD
(which could stand to hold a much bigger HD than it does anyway) a few
months ago I'm finally going to move on rectifying THAT problem, too
(updating my backups with USB is sooo slow and it's been driving me crazy!).

Technical Memory Refresher on my main computer (with present HDs):

G4 867 Quicksilver with 2 internal HDs:

1. Nucleus -- OS X Tiger 10.4.9, 60 GB (came with this Mac originally).

2. Nucleolus -- OS X Panther 10.3.2, 20 GB (was pulled out of my Beige
G3 and transplanted in when I got the G4)

The current external HD:

Memory Prime -- 40 GB. Not bootable, just a data backup. I just kick
"updated" data over there from Nucleus or Nucleolus as required (Finder
copy). This has has always worked well for me thus far -- yes, I've
actually had to use stuff from this backup drive -- and yeah it "saved"
me, big time!

Obviously I'm planning to make Nucleus and Nucleolus 250 GB each. I
don't actually NEED anywhere near that amount of space at this time
(originally I'd been thinking 100-something GB internal HDs) but when I
saw these two 250 GB HDs reasonably priced on the Swap List, I decided
to go for them -- it can't hurt to have way more room than need -- just
like there's no such thing as "too much RAM," right?

I pretty much know how I COULD handle the internal HD changeover (when
my BF is next here to handle the physical removals/installations), but
have some questions about the external HD business, because I'm in still
in the process of deciding what exactly to buy (which enclosure, what
size HD to put in it/if I should buy one with a drive already in it) and
I'm also considering going the CCC route (I have yet to use CCC for
anything at this point) on the new external backup drive for
bootability. So here's the questions (most important considerations:
simplicity and cost effectiveness):

1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in
it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I
notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from my POV
at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find
the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need
to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me).

2. I know my G4 likes internal ATA HDs (that's what it has now, and
that's what I ordered from the Swap List) -- is ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1,
SATA-2, eSATA (whatever those "extra" SATAs are: I know, Google is my
friend, and I do plan to ask him) a consideration for EXTERNAL HDS? I
ask because one of the external enclosures that caught my eye -- an OWC
Mercury Elite-AL Oxford 934 says it supports "any capacity SATA-1 or
SATA-2 HD: would my G4 recognize this even?

3. Can you use partitions on external HDs like you can with internal
ones? One thing i'm considering, if it's possible -- the external drive
"should be" a 500GB, split into two partitions of 250 GB, onto which I
CCC Nucleus (10.4.9) on one partition, and CCC Nucleolus (10.3.2) to the
other, so for the transfer of internal drives and future possible
emergency. I'm thinking to "do" the external HD first, partition it, CCC
existing contents of Nucleus and Nucleolus as described, then (once I'm
sure a CCC backup works), wipe the little drives and replace with the
big ones, onto which I CCC the stuff from the external to the new
internals (partition one to Nucleus, partition two to Nucleolus).  So is
this possible with my G4, and if so, is it a good idea?

4. Naturally, sticking with the familiar also tempts me. I saw an Iomega
eGo Portable USB/Firewire which comes with a 250 GB drive already in it
got my attention also, and I must say it's tempting to buy that (I had
nothing but good experiences in the past with my Iomega Zip drives) and
continue my backup system as simple external data storage.

It should be noted that in addition to the data backups I keep
well-maintained, I also have the boot/installation disks for both Tiger
and Panther (just as I had 'em for my prior OS's) -- plus 10.4.9 and
10.3.9 combo updaters, although I found that the 10.3.2 direct from the
CDs work fine for the one reason I need Panther. This is why I focused
so heavily on data backup, rather than bootable backup. I COULD say that
I "don't need" external bootable HDs because I never HAVE needed them
before, but long long ago in a galaxy far away, I didn't think I needed
data backups either, and oh boy was THAT a mistake!

Whaddya all think? Any other recommendations and insights?

Thanks,

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Re: Flash Drive Issue

2009-05-19 Thread yersinia


Stephen Conrad and Bill Connelly write:



It could also be your flash drive, too. Is it shielded? Not knowing the 
difference between shielded and unshielded at the I bought my second 
flash drive, I ended up with one of each -- my original shielded 1 GB 
and the unshielded 8 GB one I bought a year later. The unshielded one is 
hard to solidly plug into either the USB hub on my QS -- or USB 
extension which it stopped running from but used to ("not enough 
power"), or eithe of my iBook's USB ports. Because my 8 GB flash drive 
lacks the shielding, it's thinner and has to stay very still -- it's 
loose anywhere I plug it in, whereas my shielded 1 GB flash drive ALWAYS 
plugs in easy/nicely fitted, no matter where I'm using it, and never 
comes loose. I can even pick up the iBook and walk across the room with 
it with the 1 GB flash drive in. I wouldn't dare do that with the 8GB 
flash drive in it! I'm almost sorry I bought the thing, but I do 
occasionally need to "sneakernet" more files than will fit on the 1 GB, 
and 8 GB will fit both my Sims games and a few extra folders.

Um, OK: how to tell if your flash drive is shielded or not: Look at the 
part where you plug it into a USB hub. If it's "surrounded" by metal on 
all sides, it's shielded. If it isn't, and you only see the thin 
"square" sticking out, metal on one side (looks kind of like a circuit 
pattern on it)/plastic on the other, that's unshielded.

Sorry I don't know the actual technical term for the part of a flash 
drive you plug into the port -- I also don't know the technical term for 
this "thingie" my boyfriend has which provides a shield for unshielded 
flash drives...he's got this thingie plugged into one of his USB 
extensions. That's the only place my 8 GB ever plugged in solidly and 
didn't have to be kept absolutely still.

Someone else might be able to provide proper names for all this, right? 
If anyone can, please do!

~Yersinia.

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Re: Bigger Internal HDs & Bigger External Firewire/USB HD

2009-05-22 Thread yersinia


Charles Lenington writes,



My QS is the 867. It took me a couple of days to find out (Googling) due
to my present (hopefully temporary!) scatterbrained status, but yes, I
do need to coax it into seeing HDs bigger than 128 GB.



Right now (and until The Surgery), I do need to have BOTH smaller HDs
(60 and 20 BG) in the QS, because important stuff I use now resides on both.



Memory Prime was originally BOTH Firewire and USB -- until the Firewire
port on its enclosure (LaCie) died in December 2008. Since that time,
I've been updating my backups via USB. In fact, I have a couple of
important folders I just changed running over to it as updated backups
now, as I write this.



Super Duper is the other one. I ended up downloading CCC but haven't
used it yet.

> > 1. Is it preferable to buy an enclosure which already has the drive in
> > it, or to buy an empty enclosure and put a HD in it? I ask because I
> > notice the empty enclosures are so much more economical, and from 
my POV
> > at least (i.e., making sure I buy the right kind of HD for it -- I find
> > the choices overwhelming, and once I do figure out the right one, need
> > to have my BF do the actual physical installations for me).
> >
> >
Not to bad. Safer then the computer, no worries about slipping and
breaking logic board, etc.

About my confusion regarding whether to buy an empty external enclosure
and have a drive put in it, and additional problem regarding what kind
of drive I should buy for it, i.e., ATA, PATA, SATA, SATA-1,SATA-2,
eSATA, you said,



See what you have learned from the lists?>

LOL, ;-) I'm smart enough to have insisted on saving all the relevant
information in my email archives and persisted with with migrating all
my old emails to my new OS X native emailer when I switched a couple
weeks ago, anyway.  :-)

Anyway, by now I HAVE decided to go the CCC route when I upgrade my HDs
and backup system. The first part of the upgrade will consist of hooking
up the new external HD first, formatting it to two partitions of 250 HB
each, and backing up my old internal HDs to it with CCC. Then I'm going
to test each partition and make sure they'll BOOT my QS as well as for
my backups being accurate. When I'm sure of that -- and when my BF gets
here to do the computer surgery (first weekend of June), that's when the
controller card goes in (I expect it to artive early next week at this
point) and the two new 250 GB internals go in. By that time I'll be have
been using the new external as a backup drive. And then once I see the
card has given me full access to the 250 GBs on the new internals, I'll
CCC the stuff from the external backups over to the new internal drives.
Theoretically, with the controller card, I should still be able to keep
the 60 and 20 GB internal drives in the QS in the machine while their
250 GB replacements go in. That may be a good idea temporarily, at least
until I see that the bigger replacements are working.



I'll go General Googling on this actually. I don't remember my
Googlegroups login or how to find any of the LEM list archives from
their respective Google Groups because I participate entirely from
email! LOL



The Iomega? I don't know. I either never knew, or maybe I just don't
remember, that ANY external HD would boot a Mac from USB, I always
thought it HAD TO be Firewire to boot. I loved the Firewire on my
external (when it worked, LOL!) because it was FAST to update my backups
and move big amounts of data to the iBook that way than it has been to
do it with the USB, which is disgustingly SLOW (it's better than
nothing, but you know how THAT is!). However, since I hadn't set up my
original/current external drive up to BE bootable even when the Firewire
worked, I have yet to even TRY to boot my Quicksilver up from any
external HD even over Firewire. Soon enough, though, soon enough. I am
unfortunately at the height of my scatterbrain cycle right now, and I
don't dare even try the "easy" first step of getting the new external HD
hooked up, formatted and partitioned. In a few days I should start to
become capable (I'm on strong meds which make me nearly totally useless
for almost a whole week, and mostly useless for the next week (like when
I originally posted my half-baked HD upgrade plans), and I just got
dosed yesterday so right now I'm back to nearly totally useless.

So I'll sit back for a few days and also wait for my controller card to
arrive from the Swap List. By that time, my mental capacity should be a
little better.

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Re: Wipe Hard Drive

2009-05-24 Thread yersinia


Mac G4 writes,



You should be able to do this with OS X's Disk Utility. In Disk Utility, 
after you select the HD you want to Erase, click "Security Options" on 
the bottom right, then choose either "Zero Out Data" or "7 Pass Erase." 
I used to use 7 pass when I wanted to clean a HD, but reading some stuff 
awhile back linked to from someone here (Bruce Johnson I think LOL), 
decided that zeroing is good enough. I'll be doing some of that soon 
enough myself, in fact.

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CDs OK, DVDs Not...

2009-06-14 Thread yersinia


Hi Listers,

Recent discovery:

The Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-103 optical drive in my G4 Quicksilver 867 will 
read up and make proper use of CDs I put in it (usually my game CD at 
this point). However, several days ago when I put my Tiger boot/install 
DVD in it, after some minutes of "thinking about it," the drive simply 
opened up and spit it out. It never showed up on the desktop. Tried 
several times, no go. I feel totally "naked" without the ability to be 
able to boot from my Tiger DVD/use its Disk Utility if necessary.

So an optical drive's DVD and CD reading ability can die at different 
times, huh? :-(

...and it's time for me to get a new one?

Question: if it takes me awhile to replace the optical drive so I can 
use my Tiger DVD again, and I suspect it might, will booting from my 
Panther CD allow me to use Disk Utility to format/partition an external 
and two internal HDs if I have to?

Opinions, please?

Thank you,

~Yersinia.

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Re: Very useful Applescript

2009-07-24 Thread yersinia


Bruce Johnson writes,



Sounds cool -- I downloaded it. Will use it on my "new" G4 1.5 GHz Mac 
Mini, which I got today and booted up to make sure it works/had the 
specs advertised by the Swap List seller I bought it from. It does, but 
I also found a Home folder from a past user -- nope I don't need or want 
that!

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Re: Cursor in Find box problem

2009-08-10 Thread yersinia


Dorayme writes,



I use Tiger (10.4.9 on G4 Quicksilver 867 and G3/800 iBook)...but I 
almost never use Spotlight -- maybe once or twice a year (on the G4 
only: I've never used it on the iBook), and I don't recall when the last 
time was. I also have no recollection of your cursor problem happening 
to me, so that's why I didn't have a suggestion for you when you 
originally mentioned it.

I "can't" use Leopard because, even though this year I "finally" moved 
"up" to using an OS X native email client (and found a solution to keep 
me from having to occasionally boot in straight OS 9) -- there's still 
some important programs I need Classic Mode for. They're too important 
for me to do without them and there are no OS X versions/no plans to 
develop any.

~Yersinia.

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Cloning Hangs G4 Quicksilver 867

2009-08-24 Thread yersinia


Hiya Listers,

With all the wonderful praise all over this list and the Net in general 
I've seen for both Carbon Copy Cloner and SuperDuper, I'm totally and 
completely shocked to say I'm having this problem -- I can't clone with 
either one of these programs, and worse, they crash the Finder.

The Mac is a G4 Quicksilver 867 running Tiger (10.4.9) with two internal 
hard drives I want to clone to two partitions of a new OWC Mercury Elite 
Pro 500 GB external USB/Firewire drive. Both CCC and SuperDuper hang up 
in the cloning process -- the cloning process itself stops prematurely 
(well, CCC got through one drive once but said there were errors so I 
don't trust it) and then the Mac itself too (I have to reboot the Mac to 
get rid of the beachballs because "relaunching" the Finder kills it).

I was having a problem getting the external HD to show up on my iBook -- 
I took that to the G-Books list and while it's OK now, I don't really 
know why, and Kris Tilford suggested over there a possible firmware 
issue (my OWC drive having the 934 chipset) with THAT. Well, could I be 
having a firmware problem interfering with the ability to clone?

Or am I just about the only Mac user in existence who can't use CCC or 
SuperDuper?

Thanks,

~Yersinia.


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Re: G4 Sleep Issue

2009-08-31 Thread yersinia


Kris Tilford writes,

 > Verifying volume “USS Prometheus”

USS Prometheus (NCC-71201), Nebula-class starship;
-or-
USS Prometheus (NX-59650/NX-74913), Prometheus-class starship.

Which is it?
It could make a big difference in available firepower if things get
any more dicey. I'm guessing it's the Nebula-class since you're having
sleep problems. If it is the old Nebula, you might consider upgrading
to the Prometheus-class>

I noticed this too, and was wondering which starship he meant!  ;-)



About Quicksilvers and USB hubs...I can't use a USB hub on my 
Quicksilver (867) either, only instead of refusing to wake from sleep, 
mine refuses to GO to sleep!  :-P

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Re: G4 Sleep Issue

2009-09-01 Thread yersinia


Steve Conrad writes,



That's NX-74913. Thanks for clarifying. :-)

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Re: Is there a way to "Lock" email messages?

2009-09-03 Thread yersinia


Dan writes,



Yup! Absolutely a necessity!

I've been divorced almost a decade (no, not because of a Mac LOL), but 
while my ex-husband and I were together, we started out using one Mac -- 
mine, which I had just bought. The problem we had sharing the one Mac 
wasn't one of us getting to see the other's emails, but rather we both 
wanted to use it "too much," and only one of us could use it at a time. 
A year later I bought a second Mac, gave him the original one, and he 
networked them with the printer so we could share that. We didn't have 
any more problems over "who gets to use the Mac" after that, so it 
worked out well.

Much more recently, my boyfriend and I also obviously do the "his and 
her Macs" thing. He made an account for me on his dual gig G4 
Quicksilver for when I'm up there and I've used it (to play my simmies 
on his 23" Apple Cinema Display!), but I also bring my iBook when I go 
to his place, and that's what I use to check email. I was going to 
create an account for him on my own G4 Quicksilver 867 for when he's 
here, but realized there's no need for it: when we do computer stuff 
here (other than him helping me with my upgrades!) it tends to be 
researching stuff on the web of simultaneous mutual interest, and I 
don't have any privacy or blowing surprise issues with him popping open 
Firefox. He was also bringing an iBook here too for awhile until it 
futzed out, but I just gave him a "new" one for his birthday so I'm sure 
he'll be bringing that when he comes over.  ;-)

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Classic Won't Stay On

2009-09-10 Thread yersinia


Hiya Listers,

I've been having a little problem on my G4/867 Quicksilver (Tiger 
10.4.9) in the last few days whereby when I click my little "9" icon in 
the menu bar to start up Classic, it boots up properly (mine is set so 
the OS 9 startup screen is visible) but it doesn't stay on (and 
therefore won't open the apps I need it for. Clicking on those apps in 
the Dock results in booting Classic, but it doesn't stay on that way 
either, and the apps don't open.

If I shut down and reboot Mac, which I reset in System Prefs to boot 
Classic at startup, it boots, stays up and I can use those apps, but it 
shuts down again at some point later on. If I try to restart it, it does 
what I described in the previous paragraph.

I was just thinking maybe this malfunction is because the Classic 
preference got corrupted and I could fix this problem by deleting it, 
but I was looking through all those .plist files and can't figure out 
for the life of me which one is for Classic.

So...does it sound to any of you like a corrupted .plist for Classic is 
my problem, and if so, which of the .plist's needs to be deleted?  If 
you think it's something else, kindly elaborate.

Thank you,

~Yersinia.

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Re: Classic Won't Stay On

2009-09-10 Thread yersinia


Clark Martin writes,



If you're booted in OS 9 and having the problems then it isn't any
plist.  You have an OS 9 problem.  I'd boot in OS 9 and start with
holding down extensions to see if things work okay.  If it does then use
Extensions manager to enable OS 9 Base extensions only.  Then start
turning other extensions one by one.>

I'm sorry if I was unclear. Yes, I know Classic is OS 9 running under OS 
X -- I'm running in Tiger 10.4.9 and occasionally need to use older apps 
which require OS 9 but will run in Tiger if Classic is on. I don't boot 
in OS 9 anymore because for reasons I could never figure out, my 
Quicksilver stopped booting in 9 -- so I can't boot directly in OS 9. 
But until recently, I WAS able to boot Classic and run those apps in 
Classic under Tiger.

In the System Preferences Panel, the Classic pane offers you a choice to 
  start Classic at login and you select an OS 9 System folder from which 
to do it. So that's what I mean when I say my machine is set to boot 
Classic at login -- if I shut down the Mac, Classic boots and I can use 
it, but it doesn't STAY up, and if I try to start it up without shutting 
down and rebooting the machine again, in clicking the little 9 for 
Classic in my menu bar, I see an entire startup sequence for 9/Classic 
but it doesn't actually boot -- the little 9 is light instead of dark 
and those apps won't run.

So I'd been thinking maybe Classic Prefs got corrupted, and was going to 
try fixing it by deleting the .plist, but I have no idea which of the 
zillion .plist's are for Classic

~Yersinia.


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Re: Upgrading a Beige

2009-09-14 Thread yersinia


Liam Proven writes,



Yes. My old Beige Desktop started life with a 266 MHz processor, and my 
boyfriend put a 400 MHz chip in it.

~Yersinia.

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Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?

2009-10-01 Thread yersinia


Tom writes,



First off, Tom, please give your mother-in-law a great big hug for me 
and tell her I love her for the strength of her backbone! If her G4 iMac 
is "Jurassic," that makes my G4 867 Quicksilver and G3/800 iBook 
Triassic, and although I'm sure I'm a good deal younger than she is, I'm 
just as stubborn and insistent about keeping them and being able to run 
in Classic so I can use ancient apps, which include an old genealogy 
program and old stuff for a game too. Now...



A. You can put OS 9 and OS X on the same HD, but you have to make sure 
that the OS 9 Drivers box is checked when you format the drive. If you 
do that, OS 9 should install and run Classic A-OK, unless she needs a 
machine-specific install CD. This brings us to:

B. Since you say your mother-in-law bought her iMac brand new, I 
suggest you ask her to hunt down the original system disks she got with 
it -- OS 9 installation is occasionally machine specific, and whatever 
she originally had installed to run her Classic before probably came 
from those...right? I had a problem with machine specificity on my iBook 
using one of my own various and sundry OS 9 CDs (which had worked on all 
prior Macs except my iBook) when I wanted to put 9 on there. In my case 
I ended up copying an OS 9 folder from my Quicksilver since I bought my 
iBook used and it didn't come with any system CDs, but it runs Classic fine.



C. Yes, you should be able to install Tiger first, then OS 9 -- as long 
as the OS 9 Drivers box is checked when formatting the drive, and you 
meet machine-specific installation disk requirements if any. If the 
version of Tiger on the original System disk is lower than 10.4.11, 
which it probably would be, the 10.4.11 Combo Updater (free download 
from Apple) will update it.

Another idea I have about your problems with installation is -- does a 
"Jurassic Mac" like this even SEE the entirety of a 500 GB HD? Actually 
I'm not sure how that would affect installation, since both OS's won't 
require nearly that much room, but it makes me curious since I know 
already that when I have my boyfriend put those two 250 GB HDs into my 
Quicksilver, I have to also have him put an ATA controller card in 
because my Quicksilver will not see the entirety of an internal HD 
bigger than 128 GB -- so I think it's something to think about if you 
still have problems installing OS 9 and OS X on that HD formatted with 
the OS 9 drivers box checked and using the original system disks.

~Yersinia.



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Re: Need to install both Classic and OS-X on old iMac's new hard drive, but how?

2009-10-01 Thread yersinia


Tom writes,



When you go to the Erase tab in Disk Utility, immediately below the 
fields for the choice of Volume Format and the name to give the HD< 
there's a little box for a checkmark next to text which reads "Mac OS 9 
Drivers Installed." If there's already a check in the box, you're OK, no 
need to do anything. But if the box has no checkmark, you give it one by 
clicking the box. This has to be done for OS 9 to install and run on the 
system.



Wow, that's cool! I guess your mother-in-law's Jurassic Mac can do 
things my Triassic Mac can't! LOL

Good luck! :-)

~Yersinia.

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External FW HD/CCC Update, and G4 Mac Mini -- Help!

2009-10-31 Thread yersinia

on this 
machine, I eject the disk, and now it's time to move those Sims games 
from the Firewire external HD into the Mini, so I plug the FW drive back 
in -- and both the Mini and the monitor "drop dead" on me again!  :-O

I cannot get the Mini to boot at all now. Anyone have any idea what's 
going on?

Thanks,

~Yersinia.

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Which PRAM Battery Should I Buy?

2009-11-12 Thread yersinia

Hi Listers,

My G4 1.5 GHz Mac Mini needs a PRAM battery. Does anyone know what 
brands/specs of PRAM battery this Mac takes? Googling didn't suggest any 
brands. I ask because someone on the swap list (with whom I've had a 
prior good dealing) is selling PRAM batteries -- I'd like to buy from 
him IF he's selling the correct battery for my Mini. This is what he's 
selling:  3.6 Volt 1/2 AA-sized Lithium PRAM batteries (2 brands: Saft
LS 14250 C or Tadiran TL-5101/TL-5112/TL2150/etc.)

So which of those can I buy, if any, and if not, what should I buy instead?

Thanks,

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Re: Which PRAM Battery Should I Buy?

2009-11-12 Thread yersinia

Dan writes,



Thank you. I'll email him about ordering one now.

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Re: A question never asked? until now...

2009-11-21 Thread yersinia

Jeff Engle writes,

< it seems that for some reason, of which I still haven't
figured out why, most G3-5er's don't do the ichat thing at all? You
know that cool way of greeting people done so long ago? face to face!
There!, I've said it, it's out in the open!
I started this weird Mac obsession about eight years ago, not really
an obsession, more like a slightly twisted hobby:-) with one idea
among others that was to introduce me to people with similar like's
and dislikes... this I believe I've achieved in a small way by the
google list's. I would however like to push the envelope a bit, even
though my attempt may be scrutinized a bit, and that is to say
Anybody out there who doesn't suffer from a strange allergic reaction
to seeing your own face on your computer? If so, I invite you to chat
me sometime... my AIM buddy name is: twoapplen...@gmail.com>

I'm Yersinia3 on AIM. Since you gave your screen name here, I put you on 
my buddy list. Maybe we'll run into each other sometime...although 
admittedly I'm not signed on to AIM all that often anymore. Dunno why 
though. A few years ago there was no getting to sign OFF.

Well, maybe I'll see you (and other G-Listers) sometime.

~Yersinia.

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Re: Need recommendations for 500 Gig or larger external firewire drive and high capacity internal drive for iBook G4

2009-11-23 Thread yersinia

Dwight Hines writes,



to which Ralph Green replies,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=350270525756>

I looked at that drive enclosure, it's very tempting. I even have a 
couple of 250 GB HDs in a drawer here, but I'n not sure if they're SATA 
-- I bought them for my Quicksilve 867 though...lemme checknope, 
they're not SATA.

Dwight: Even though my Quicksilver 867 hates the OWC Mercury Elite Pro
500 GB Firewire/USB external drive I bought, I actually still recommend
that you look at OWC. I don't recommend the Mercury Elite Pro in
particular -- this drive is the only problematic product I've gotten
from them -- but in general they sell good stuff and customer service is
good too. You might find something else there you can use. In fact, I'm
about to go there myself, maybe instead of asking for a total refund,
I'll be able to exchange the Mecury Elite Pro for something else, since
I do still need a bigger external HD than the poor tiny 40 GB LaCie I 
had to just go back to for backups!

OWC is here:

http://www.macsales.com/

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Quicksilver & Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue

2009-12-07 Thread yersinia

Hi Listers,

Sorry I haven't been back but with *most* of my problems solved, I've
been too busy enjoying my Macs. :-) Anyway, present status:

1. After my BF replaced its PRAM battery, the Mini worked just fine.

2. My boyfriend helped me establish an Ethernet network (I have a hub)
and KVM sharing/switching between the Quicksilver and Mini. (OOOH!! :-D)

This network is almost fantabulous, except I somehow ended up with a
minor issue with the Quicksilver's Network Preferences pane I have to
fix to fully complete my vision (not to mention finally get off dialup
in the next week or so: I just ordered a Verizon DSL and voice
communications package today).

Here's the problem -- when I go to System Prefs and click "Network," I
get this dialog box that says "Your network settings have been changed
by another application." I click the OK in this box, but it keeps
popping up in my face, it won't go away, I can't actually get at my
network preferences. The only way to make that weird dialog box go away
is to force quit System Prefs! When I discovered this originally (over
the Thanksgiving holiday weekend when me and my BF were setting this
up), I had planned to set the Quicksilver's network prefs so that the
Mini could show up on its desktop (this is the minor issue I referred to
above). I still want to do that, but I'll also have to get in there I'm
sure when I get my DSL modem from Verizon and I need to set that up.

I suspect the possibility that the Network pref pane got corrupted
somehow and I can fix it by deleting it, but I'm afraid to chance losing
my settings, which I can't get at, and I still need to use my existing
dialup account until I get the DSL up and running.

Does anyone know if my suspicion to delete
com.apple.NetworkDiagnostics.plist is actually the solution, and if I do
it, will I lose my existing dialup internet settings? Oh. G4 867
Quicksilver running Tiger 10.4.11.

One more quickie question: I decided to unmount one of the Quicksilver's
  internal HDs from the Mini, then decided I wanted it back, only when I
go to Network (from either a Sidebar or the Go menu in Finder), it no
longer "offers" that drive -- it's greyed out. Anyone know why?

Thank you so much,

~Yersinia.

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Re: Beige G3 problems

2009-12-08 Thread yersinia

Gorka writes,



Ooooh, a Beige G3/233 Desktop! I had one of those! OK, down to business. 
Here's what I'd do if I still had my Beige and was in your position:

You don't mention if you pressed the CUDA button when you installed the 
new memory, so I'd recommend reseating the RAM yet again and pressing 
the CUDA button.

If that doesn't work, I'd zap the PRAM (hold down the cmd-opt-P-R keys 
while pressing the startup button.

If that doesn't work, I'd go for an open firmware reset. To do this, 
hold down the cmd-opt-O-F keys while starting up. When you get the 
command line, type:

1. reset-nvram  (hit enter)
2. set-defaults  (hit enter)
3. resett-all   (hit enter)

If none of these things work, and, since you also mention that the Mac 
had worked fine but had also been unused for a long time -- I was just 
in this situation with another PPC Mac (the fact that it hadn't been 
used in a while), a Mini, and when the PRAM battery was replaced, it 
worked fine. So if none of the above work for you, your Beige's PRAM 
battery may need to be replaced.

Also, older Macs like that sometimes act wonky if you don't rebuild 
theier desktops. If you get this Beige to boot again, I'd suggest a 
desktop rebuild too. (hold down apple-opt keys while booting, then tell 
it yes when it asks to rebuild the desktop).

Good luck!

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Re: Quicksilver & Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue

2009-12-08 Thread yersinia

Dan writes,



Ooooh wow! Thank you, I did this and I'm able to get into my 
Quicksilver's Network prefs pane without that PITA dialog box.   :-D



U, how would I be able to tell if it had?

Would it be a good idea to reboot both the Mini and the Quicksilver to 
"reset" all this stuff? Also, how come I still don't have Network in my 
QS's sidebars even though I do in my Mini's?)



Presuming I can ever get it to remount on the Mini, I will. Think I'll 
try it with the "other" QS HD (which I never unmounted), though. If I 
have the aliases, then I only need those and can unmount the "real" ones?

Thanks again,

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Looking for Older Onyx

Hi Listers,

Google was unable to help me find an OLDER version of Onyx. I need one 
to run on my G4 Mac Mini, which is and needs to stay on 10.4.2. The 
earliest Onyx I was able to find for Tiger required 10.4.3 minimum. I 
have Onyx 1.7.5 running on my Quicksilver, but the QS was on 10.4.7 or 
10.4.8 back when I picked that up. I think I recall it required 10.4.7 
minimum, which was and still is OK for the QS (now on 10.4.11), but I 
need one for the Mini. Are the Tiger versions of Onyx OK, or does anyone 
have a 10.4.2-minimum Onyx they can email me?

Thanks!

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Re: Quicksilver & Mini Update and Network Prefs Issue

Dan writes,

"Aside -- Please do not invent quoting methods. Please quote text
normally: use a "> " at the beginning of each line quoted. Most
email clients will do this automatically for you when you reply.
Manually enclosing whole areas of text in angle-brackets <> does not
make it obviously quoted to the eye. Nor is it automatically
recognizable as quoted text by the mail client. And worse- it makes
the Mac think there might be a URL in there, so it spends time trying
to analyze it."

U-HUH? I've been on LEM lists since 2003 and NOW there's a problem
with how I post? The method is how I saw it
done on mailing lists (LEM and ones I'd been on in the mid and late
1990s) originally. I didn't invent it, I learned it from being on email
lists. My emailer, Thunderbird, brings up a blank body with no quoting
at all when I hit reply, so I paste in the text I'm replying to. I
recall it being the same for my prior emailer, ClarisEmailer, as well.
(I do this for ALL email, not just list email). Yes I've noticed the
"changes" in how other posters post over time and I usually find it
confusing, so I kept with what I originally learned so at least I can
understand my own posts! LOL But, OK, if the "" method actually confuses the Mac to think there's an URL, I'll
just use quotation marks and not the brackets. (Or maybe I'll just
paraphrase who I'm quoting so I don't have to worry about any kind of
quotations!) See, now you're driving me to invent!

Anyhow, back to Mac stuff, you said I could find out if my QS drive had
spun down if there was less noise from the box, and that I should "open
the drive to hear it spin up." The answers to that are:

1. The QS has always been a nice quiet machine -- I almost never hear it
at all. The only noisy component of my collection here is the external
HD, which is on all the time so I can make immediate backups whenever I
have to, and that thing is loud enough to make eveything else seem
absolutely dead silent.

2. Respectfully, no, I can't open up the QS's drive. Remember I can't do
anything mechanical, and even if I could, I'd hesitate about doing it
with the QS powered on, which, for the drive to spin up or down, it
would have to be. Right? Or maybe I'm just totally not getting this. And
even so, if the machine is on, the HDs are good (I know they are) and
the network is set up properly, if the drive did spin down/go to sleep
while I wasn't using it, it would awaken/spin back up next time I
accessed it, wouldn't it?

Thanks for the instruction on Finder Preferences, Sidebar pane to get
the QS to show the Network in the sidebar. It works great. :-)

Mounting aliases of HDs from networked Macs seems to be pointless,
though. I had the QS's HD Nucleolus mounted on the Mini and I made an
alias of it. It worked, as in I could get in and at all the files by
clicking on the alias, but it kept popping up the original "real" icon
for the HD -- so why bother with the alias? And while I was able to fix
the QS's Network settings since killing that bug (thank you for the
lock-clicking in Security tip), The QS's other HD will still not remount
on the Mini at all (it's greyed out when I go to select it), and the
Mini will only occasionally and temporarily mount on the QS. (it
"disconnects"!)

Oh well, even though there are still these couple of minor issues,
having the Mini up and running, and the network/KVM system AT ALL, is so
vastly better than the way it was before, so perhaps I should just shut
up and learn to live with the minor issues!

Thanks,

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Re: Looking for Older Onyx

Ted writes,

"See http://www.titanium.free.fr/pgs/english/apps.html

for all your Onyx needs..."

Thank you for the link, but I found that yesterday and downloaded the 
1.8.5 one since it said Tiger, only it turned out to have a minimum 
system requirement of 10.4.3 (my Mini runs 10.4.2, yes, deliberately). 
Anyway, I just took a shot out of the blue and copied my Onyx 1.7.5 from 
the Quicksilver (even though that runs 10.4.11) to the Mini. It opened 
and while it seems to be taking a zillion years to do it (seriously, 
about half an hour: I started it and left it to run while I cooked and 
ate brunch), it's forcibly emptying the Trash like I told it to.

Seems it's taking way too long to do this, though. Maybe I'll download 
the Panther version and see if that will run on the Mini.

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Re: Looking for Older Onyx

Dan writes,

"Do not run the Panther version on Tiger.  As with most
maintenance/utility/tools - using older versions on a newer OS is
rarely a good plan and could damage things!

Until we find the right vers  If you say what tasks you're trying
to perform we can probably provide the Terminal commands to do it..."

My original reason for wanting Onyx on the Mini was because I had to 
force Empty Trash. Then I realized that although it's not a daily thing, 
I have liked having Onyx on the Quicksilver and occasionally run the 
cleaning and maintenance routines, so why not have it for the Mini too?

Don't worry, I couldn't get the Panther version to even install on the 
Mini. Update: The version I had on the Quicksilver (I moved a copy over 
to the Mini) force emptied the Trash for me but I had to force quit it 
when I had it doing other cleaning things (sorry I can't recall which 
exactly) - I had set that up and let it run two hours or so while I went 
grocery shopping! But it was still going when I got back, and it just 
seemed so wrong that it should take that long. I don't recall it taking 
that long on the Quicksilver!

Anyway, when I have time I'll open up Onyx and make a list of the things 
I do with it on the Quicksilver, which I'd like to do on the Mini. Thank 
you.

~Yersinia.

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Re: Looking for Older Onyx