Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
Hi Ken, Well, that is really part of the problem. Most of the big name titles are being produced specifically for game consoles like the Wii, Xbox, Play Station, etc. Mainstream game developers aren't producing games for the PC like they were in the 1990's. Instead there is a big move to target all the major game consoles, and the PC has all been forgotten. Oh, there are plenty of small game studios still producing games for the PC, mainly because they don't have the money to target the game consoles, but by and large if you go to Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, etc you'll find more games for the consoles than for the PC. That obviously narrows the list of games we can choose from. I often download game demos to my PC, try them out, but I haven't found many that are very accessible. Although I hope someone has some good suggestions as I'd like to find more accessible PC games too. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: So we've talked about a lot of console games that are playable. What about PC games--or have I just missed some things? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
Ah yes. I remember the days of actual computer games. Laura Bo, War in Middle-Earth (now there's one I'd have en anything to play), even Leisure Suit Larry, though of course that wasn't suited for anyone of my age at the time. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC Hi Ken, Well, that is really part of the problem. Most of the big name titles are being produced specifically for game consoles like the Wii, Xbox, Play Station, etc. Mainstream game developers aren't producing games for the PC like they were in the 1990's. Instead there is a big move to target all the major game consoles, and the PC has all been forgotten. Oh, there are plenty of small game studios still producing games for the PC, mainly because they don't have the money to target the game consoles, but by and large if you go to Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, etc you'll find more games for the consoles than for the PC. That obviously narrows the list of games we can choose from. I often download game demos to my PC, try them out, but I haven't found many that are very accessible. Although I hope someone has some good suggestions as I'd like to find more accessible PC games too. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: So we've talked about a lot of console games that are playable. What about PC games--or have I just missed some things? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
How about MOTA. It can be played by both blind and sighted gamers, as the same senses must be used to play it. (grin) --- Laughter is the best medicine, so look around, find a dose and take it to heart. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC Hi Ken, Well, that is really part of the problem. Most of the big name titles are being produced specifically for game consoles like the Wii, Xbox, Play Station, etc. Mainstream game developers aren't producing games for the PC like they were in the 1990's. Instead there is a big move to target all the major game consoles, and the PC has all been forgotten. Oh, there are plenty of small game studios still producing games for the PC, mainly because they don't have the money to target the game consoles, but by and large if you go to Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, etc you'll find more games for the consoles than for the PC. That obviously narrows the list of games we can choose from. I often download game demos to my PC, try them out, but I haven't found many that are very accessible. Although I hope someone has some good suggestions as I'd like to find more accessible PC games too. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: So we've talked about a lot of console games that are playable. What about PC games--or have I just missed some things? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
Hi, Ah, yes. Good old Leisure Suit Larry. I use to love that game. I've thought many times of coming up with my own rendition of that game. As you say though, it is for a more adult audience. Still it was a fun game. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Ah yes. I remember the days of actual computer games. Laura Bo, War in Middle-Earth (now there's one I'd have en anything to play), even Leisure Suit Larry, though of course that wasn't suited for anyone of my age at the time. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
The most memorable part of those games was the music, especially when you'd pick up an item. We are the Knights who say...Ni! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC Hi, Ah, yes. Good old Leisure Suit Larry. I use to love that game. I've thought many times of coming up with my own rendition of that game. As you say though, it is for a more adult audience. Still it was a fun game. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Ah yes. I remember the days of actual computer games. Laura Bo, War in Middle-Earth (now there's one I'd have en anything to play), even Leisure Suit Larry, though of course that wasn't suited for anyone of my age at the time. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
There is already a sort of z-code interactive fiction version of leisure suit larry, and you can find it here: http://www.blindsea.com/content/text-games Just search for the word larry on that page. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC Hi, Ah, yes. Good old Leisure Suit Larry. I use to love that game. I've thought many times of coming up with my own rendition of that game. As you say though, it is for a more adult audience. Still it was a fun game. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Bryan Peterson bpeterson2...@cableone.net wrote: Ah yes. I remember the days of actual computer games. Laura Bo, War in Middle-Earth (now there's one I'd have en anything to play), even Leisure Suit Larry, though of course that wasn't suited for anyone of my age at the time. We are the Knights who say...Ni! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
Most pc games these days are first-person shooters.. and Tom, I don't know if that's true since I've seen some pretty big names on the pc these days. Starcraft, Call of Duty and left 4 dead just to name a few. But I don't think we're going to find many accessible games on the pc. lol. Sad truth of it, I'm afraid... as you're right, the majority of the games are for consoles.. and the pc games nowadays are more often than not just ports. At 05:58 AM 12/02/2011, you wrote: Hi Ken, Well, that is really part of the problem. Most of the big name titles are being produced specifically for game consoles like the Wii, Xbox, Play Station, etc. Mainstream game developers aren't producing games for the PC like they were in the 1990's. Instead there is a big move to target all the major game consoles, and the PC has all been forgotten. Oh, there are plenty of small game studios still producing games for the PC, mainly because they don't have the money to target the game consoles, but by and large if you go to Wal-Mart, K-Mart, Target, etc you'll find more games for the consoles than for the PC. That obviously narrows the list of games we can choose from. I often download game demos to my PC, try them out, but I haven't found many that are very accessible. Although I hope someone has some good suggestions as I'd like to find more accessible PC games too. Cheers! On 2/12/11, Ken the Crazy kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: So we've talked about a lot of console games that are playable. What about PC games--or have I just missed some things? Ken Downey President DreamTechInteractive! And, Blind Comfort! The pleasant way to experience massage! It's the Caring without the Staring! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
It seems from what I've seen the pc games are separated into two catagories, the big games usually with user interaction like the mmorps and the modable fps games where people create their own levels, and the indi studios who produce small games, people like niels bauer and 7-128. As I've said in my general experience, Indi developers are a reasonable bunch and are more often than not happy to make access tweaks, plusss their is always the chance their games will run with a screen reader anyway, or that you can use a screen reader to eddit certain properties of the game. While I do admit real time games for the pc aren't really accessible to totally blind gamers (though I have had quite a bit of success in the low vision field, had success with one puzle game just today in fact), I am fairly certain this will slowly change over time, hence the need for a site like http://www.blindcomputergames.com/ Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
Hi, Not to get too technical, but I believe the majority of PC games are third-person shooters rather than first-person shooters. At least a lot of the PC games I own are. The difference is in a third-person action/adventure like Tomb Raider you can actually see the main character like Lara Croft on the screen. In first-person shooters you can't actually see the main character and there is just an arm out there with a gun, sword, or something which kind of looks funky to me. Anyway that is the ssential difference between first-person and third-person style games. HTH On 2/12/11, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Most pc games these days are first-person shooters.. and Tom, I don't know if that's true since I've seen some pretty big names on the pc these days. Starcraft, Call of Duty and left 4 dead just to name a few. But I don't think we're going to find many accessible games on the pc. lol. Sad truth of it, I'm afraid... as you're right, the majority of the games are for consoles.. and the pc games nowadays are more often than not just ports. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games on PC
That's a fair point. But all the ones I know of are first person. Call of Duty, Left 4 dead, Counterstrike, Defend of the Ancients, from what I know are all first-person. I could be confused though. Thanks for the explanation though, Tom. At 12:50 PM 12/02/2011, you wrote: Hi, Not to get too technical, but I believe the majority of PC games are third-person shooters rather than first-person shooters. At least a lot of the PC games I own are. The difference is in a third-person action/adventure like Tomb Raider you can actually see the main character like Lara Croft on the screen. In first-person shooters you can't actually see the main character and there is just an arm out there with a gun, sword, or something which kind of looks funky to me. Anyway that is the ssential difference between first-person and third-person style games. HTH On 2/12/11, Clement Chou chou.clem...@gmail.com wrote: Most pc games these days are first-person shooters.. and Tom, I don't know if that's true since I've seen some pretty big names on the pc these days. Starcraft, Call of Duty and left 4 dead just to name a few. But I don't think we're going to find many accessible games on the pc. lol. Sad truth of it, I'm afraid... as you're right, the majority of the games are for consoles.. and the pc games nowadays are more often than not just ports. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream games?
Hi, Flat out impossible, methinks. I don't think its as easy as just throwing together a flash rom for it and throwing it in. This requires millions of dollars, I bet. contact details: email: tcwoo...@shaw.ca and others msn: the_conman...@hotmail.com skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 5:06 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream games? Hey, Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than have game consoles? Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] mainstream games
The fact remains that you'll be using their sounds illegally, their characters and plot lines illegally, as well as infringing on anything else they can possibly have copyrighted if you've done a credible job at immitating the original. I know just enough about programming and more than enough about copyright from my music and audio work to know that that's a hell of a lot of time to spend on a project that wouldn't ever in a gazillian years hold any water with any big games manufacturer. Love your enthusiasm Josh, but the inescapable fact here is that legally, our hands are tied too tightly to make this route feasible, and unfortunately their simply aren't enough of us to bombard and make a splash in the bath of a multinational games company that might make them look up from whatever they happen to be doing in the afore mentioned bath and wonder who's hopped in with them. Excuse the random analogy, writing the same point over and over requires some innovation. Perhaps, the closest you could get to bombardment constructively would be to organise the mother of all petitions and send it around a few places once you've got every signiture possible. We'd be talking a fairly big job. Before it'd even be considered, what we were actually asking for would have to be realistic, very well worded, and boy would it have to have a serious amount of signitories. I'm not talking make games accessible soon ish or we'll be cross, I'm talking about figuring out the very first rudimentary improvements that need to be made in order to give us a tiny handhold, baby steps I suppose is the expression. I'm not too bad with words, but don't have nearly enough knowledge to know what to ask for, or even if there's anything we could ask for that would actually help. Of course, if that turns out to be a pants idea, the best thing you can do with your enthusiasm Josh is settle to learning a language and start putting out your own stuff. Apparently it's quite rewarding. On 8/16/09, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, ok here's an idea. first rip the audio/sounds from mainstream games. and then make an audio game using the mainstream comany's sounds. and then don't selol the game, make it free but keep the source code. then when the mainstream companies come round with their cease and desist letter. make a deal with them. tell them I'll give you the code to my game if you'll sell it. once you complete the game, don't give it out to anybody you see, kep the game and the source code, then email the company whose game it was originally and tell them you made their game accessible pinting them to a website nobody else knows about so they can download the game. Tell them if they do not agree to sell your game that you made with their idea their original title, their sounds, you will release the game as free open source software under the general public license. And since they are driven by making money they naturally will want the code. and if they renig on their part by noot selling it then you immediately release that game as open source. to differentiate it from sighted games put the word accessible in front such as accessible harry potter and the half blood prince game or accessible madden nfl. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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that may work. may mind you. the fish may not bite the hook we are quite small. ANd if they do, there is all likelyhood we will be torn to bits. Yes it could work, only could mind you. but we would still need muscle to do it. maybe not as much as the previous option maybe we could put this as a 2 pronged attack. maybe we would succeed. But either 2 things will happen well 3. we succeed, almostly sertainly unlikely. we fail and get shot down. game over. we shoot and miss wasting time which I don't think would do any of us any good. We couldn't do anything small either, so every shot would have to be really big. At 04:12 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hi, ok here's an idea. first rip the audio/sounds from mainstream games. and then make an audio game using the mainstream comany's sounds. and then don't selol the game, make it free but keep the source code. then when the mainstream companies come round with their cease and desist letter. make a deal with them. tell them I'll give you the code to my game if you'll sell it. once you complete the game, don't give it out to anybody you see, kep the game and the source code, then email the company whose game it was originally and tell them you made their game accessible pinting them to a website nobody else knows about so they can download the game. Tell them if they do not agree to sell your game that you made with their idea their original title, their sounds, you will release the game as free open source software under the general public license. And since they are driven by making money they naturally will want the code. and if they renig on their part by noot selling it then you immediately release t hat game as open source. to differentiate it from sighted games put the word accessible in front such as accessible harry potter and the half blood prince game or accessible madden nfl. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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well those partitions don't always work. in fact some reguard partitiononline as spam. I do fill it out if it suits me but we rarely hit it off. yeah josh you have the determination to make something work. but it won't. we don't have the firepower or the defence. At 04:37 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: The fact remains that you'll be using their sounds illegally, their characters and plot lines illegally, as well as infringing on anything else they can possibly have copyrighted if you've done a credible job at immitating the original. I know just enough about programming and more than enough about copyright from my music and audio work to know that that's a hell of a lot of time to spend on a project that wouldn't ever in a gazillian years hold any water with any big games manufacturer. Love your enthusiasm Josh, but the inescapable fact here is that legally, our hands are tied too tightly to make this route feasible, and unfortunately their simply aren't enough of us to bombard and make a splash in the bath of a multinational games company that might make them look up from whatever they happen to be doing in the afore mentioned bath and wonder who's hopped in with them. Excuse the random analogy, writing the same point over and over requires some innovation. Perhaps, the closest you could get to bombardment constructively would be to organise the mother of all petitions and send it around a few places once you've got every signiture possible. We'd be talking a fairly big job. Before it'd even be considered, what we were actually asking for would have to be realistic, very well worded, and boy would it have to have a serious amount of signitories. I'm not talking make games accessible soon ish or we'll be cross, I'm talking about figuring out the very first rudimentary improvements that need to be made in order to give us a tiny handhold, baby steps I suppose is the expression. I'm not too bad with words, but don't have nearly enough knowledge to know what to ask for, or even if there's anything we could ask for that would actually help. Of course, if that turns out to be a pants idea, the best thing you can do with your enthusiasm Josh is settle to learning a language and start putting out your own stuff. Apparently it's quite rewarding. On 8/16/09, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, ok here's an idea. first rip the audio/sounds from mainstream games. and then make an audio game using the mainstream comany's sounds. and then don't selol the game, make it free but keep the source code. then when the mainstream companies come round with their cease and desist letter. make a deal with them. tell them I'll give you the code to my game if you'll sell it. once you complete the game, don't give it out to anybody you see, kep the game and the source code, then email the company whose game it was originally and tell them you made their game accessible pinting them to a website nobody else knows about so they can download the game. Tell them if they do not agree to sell your game that you made with their idea their original title, their sounds, you will release the game as free open source software under the general public license. And since they are driven by making money they naturally will want the code. and if they renig on their part by noot selling it then you immediately release that game as open source. to differentiate it from sighted games put the word accessible in front such as accessible harry potter and the half blood prince game or accessible madden nfl. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
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I think you mean Petition, not Partitian. You have acquired the skill of Weaponry Theremin. Your current level of mastery is 10 Apprentice. - Original Message - From: shaun everiss shau...@xtra.co.nz To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] mainstream games well those partitions don't always work. in fact some reguard partitiononline as spam. I do fill it out if it suits me but we rarely hit it off. yeah josh you have the determination to make something work. but it won't. we don't have the firepower or the defence. At 04:37 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: The fact remains that you'll be using their sounds illegally, their characters and plot lines illegally, as well as infringing on anything else they can possibly have copyrighted if you've done a credible job at immitating the original. I know just enough about programming and more than enough about copyright from my music and audio work to know that that's a hell of a lot of time to spend on a project that wouldn't ever in a gazillian years hold any water with any big games manufacturer. Love your enthusiasm Josh, but the inescapable fact here is that legally, our hands are tied too tightly to make this route feasible, and unfortunately their simply aren't enough of us to bombard and make a splash in the bath of a multinational games company that might make them look up from whatever they happen to be doing in the afore mentioned bath and wonder who's hopped in with them. Excuse the random analogy, writing the same point over and over requires some innovation. Perhaps, the closest you could get to bombardment constructively would be to organise the mother of all petitions and send it around a few places once you've got every signiture possible. We'd be talking a fairly big job. Before it'd even be considered, what we were actually asking for would have to be realistic, very well worded, and boy would it have to have a serious amount of signitories. I'm not talking make games accessible soon ish or we'll be cross, I'm talking about figuring out the very first rudimentary improvements that need to be made in order to give us a tiny handhold, baby steps I suppose is the expression. I'm not too bad with words, but don't have nearly enough knowledge to know what to ask for, or even if there's anything we could ask for that would actually help. Of course, if that turns out to be a pants idea, the best thing you can do with your enthusiasm Josh is settle to learning a language and start putting out your own stuff. Apparently it's quite rewarding. On 8/16/09, Josh jkenn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, ok here's an idea. first rip the audio/sounds from mainstream games. and then make an audio game using the mainstream comany's sounds. and then don't selol the game, make it free but keep the source code. then when the mainstream companies come round with their cease and desist letter. make a deal with them. tell them I'll give you the code to my game if you'll sell it. once you complete the game, don't give it out to anybody you see, kep the game and the source code, then email the company whose game it was originally and tell them you made their game accessible pinting them to a website nobody else knows about so they can download the game. Tell them if they do not agree to sell your game that you made with their idea their original title, their sounds, you will release the game as free open source software under the general public license. And since they are driven by making money they naturally will want the code. and if they renig on their part by noot selling it then you immediately release that game as open source. to differentiate it from sighted games put the word accessible in front such as accessible harry potter and the half blood prince game or accessible madden nfl. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions
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Again, that would probably cost more money than most blind folks are likely to have. Besides, you'd have to get the source code or whatever for the console in order to program it. And most developers aren't going to give that out, unless of cousr you're willing to shell out thousands of dollars if not more. While it's true microsoft apparently is open to people developing games for the Xbox, at least insofar as I've heard, you'd probably still have to sell the rights to the game to Microsoft. But again you still have to think about cost. The financial gain, even if you did this, would probably not be worthwhile. That's probably the main reason why we're most liekly never going to see accessible games in the mainstream market. There just aren't enough of us to make it financially viable. You have acquired the skill of Weaponry Theremin. Your current level of mastery is 10 Apprentice. - Original Message - From: Josh jkenn...@gmail.com To: gamers list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 4:06 PM Subject: [Audyssey] mainstream games? Hey, Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than have game consoles? Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, What you just proposed has many legal problems. The thing you are missing is copyright laws pretty much dictate what a developer can and can't do regarding someone else's software ideas. That includes games, and what you just suggested flies in the face of most copyright laws world wide. In the main if you want to use someone else's game ideas, make an accessible version, whatever you have to get authorization directly from the copyright owner in advance. Failior to do so could result in a civil copyright infringement suit. You can't simply write an accessible version or clone, and then ask a game company to sell it for you. It isn't going to happen, and isn't strictly legal under copyright law. Second, what you may not realize is that if a game company licenses the sounds, music, or game story from another company they are legally bound to their contract regarding those aspects of the game in question. They may not legally be in a position to authorize a third-party developer. For example, some game companies like Activision have a legal license to produce Star Trek games using official Star Trek music and sounds. That contract between Activision and Paramount would supersede any contract or agreement between Activision and any accessible developer. So they are in no position to just delegate rights or authorizations for that particular game to any third-party developer who happens to come along. Third, as a rule game companies refuse end user suggestions, game submissions, and so on. There are very good legal reasons why they do not do this, and one of them is they would be in a position to split the income with the person. Plus it complicates who has the copyright ownership. Finally, an open source license like Creative Commons and GPL wouldn't really help us here. At most it would protect the source code, but you still could be legally sued for any sounds, music, or trade marks you use in the game. Previously licensed sounds, music, and trade marks are not in the public domain so are not subject to Creative Commons or the GPL. The best, and perhaps the only, way to legally handle this is by trying to release the games as free fan fiction. There is the fair use Claus in the U.S. copyright laws, but expect your efforts to be challenged. Problem is none of us really have the money to pay for a protracted legal battle over what constitutes fair use in this or that case. For example, there have been several cases of where commercial companies have sued an open source developer over some copyright issue or other. One of the biggest ones was Microsoft VS Lindows. A few years ago a developer decided to create a new operating system merging Linux and Windows technologies into one operating system. Naturally he called his product Lindows. Just when it seamed Lindows might actually become a rival to the Windows operating system Microsoft took Lindows to court and sued. In the suit filed against Lindows Microsoft accused Lindows of copyright infringement, and eventually won the case. In the end Lindows decided to settle out of court, rename the operating system to Linspire, and had remove dseveral of the aspects that made it a great alternative to Windows or Linux. Although, Linspire is still around Microsoft's copyright suit has pretty much destroyed the project's original aim. Josh wrote: Hi, ok here's an idea. first rip the audio/sounds from mainstream games. and then make an audio game using the mainstream comany's sounds. and then don't selol the game, make it free but keep the source code. then when the mainstream companies come round with their cease and desist letter. make a deal with them. tell them I'll give you the code to my game if you'll sell it. once you complete the game, don't give it out to anybody you see, kep the game and the source code, then email the company whose game it was originally and tell them you made their game accessible pinting them to a website nobody else knows about so they can download the game. Tell them if they do not agree to sell your game that you made with their idea their original title, their sounds, you will release the game as free open source software under the general public license. And since they are driven by making money they naturally will want the code. and if they renig on their part by noot selling it then you immediately release that game as open source. to differentiate it from sighted games put the word accessible in front such as accessible harry potter and the half blood prince game or accessible madden nfl. Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or
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hmmm thats probably possible except the licences to do all that cost aparently. not to mention any games if selected by ms for xbox become property of ms or something like that. At 10:06 a.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hey, Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than have game consoles? Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Josh, Sigh...Not really. Accessibility is something that is in the game when it is released or it is not. You can't just bolt on a piece of software that will magically make the game accessible to you. As far as creating accessible games for the XBox 360 it is possible. The XNA Framework that ships with the XBox is similar to the XNA Framework for Windows. However, again we are talking money. The XNA framework for Windows is free, but creating games for the XBox requires a special license, and I'm not quite sure what is involved in getting the development tools for XBox. Another problem I see with creating accessible games for the XBox is XAct. In brief, there is an audio tool, XAct, that is required to compile sounds and music into soundbanks for the Xbox 360 console. It defines settings for loops, 3d audio support, sound effects, etc. Since the XAct tool is largely unaccessible writing games for the XBox 360 would be, to say the least, difficult. I wouldn't say impossible, but it is a difficult issue. As far as if PCs are more popular than game consolesI'd say yes. Most of the accessible gamers I'd say don't own an XBox, Play Station, or Wii for the simple fact they cost a lot of money, the games aren't fully accessible, and most accessible games are for the PC. Plus writing games for a PC is much cheaper than even thinking about the nightmare of trying to license rights to create games for the Play Station, XBox, or Wii. Josh wrote: Hey, Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than have game consoles? Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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actually tom I can answer the question of tools, you need to get the full version of xna studio, which means I think anyway a full visual studio pro licence which costs a bit, below 1000 but like 300-600 or so. but xact then is the major issue and the licence. hmmm but that may be doable if we can find someting that will be a frontend for xact, the licence may cost though. not sure but that may be worth while trying to find. At 01:44 p.m. 17/08/2009, you wrote: Hi Josh, Sigh...Not really. Accessibility is something that is in the game when it is released or it is not. You can't just bolt on a piece of software that will magically make the game accessible to you. As far as creating accessible games for the XBox 360 it is possible. The XNA Framework that ships with the XBox is similar to the XNA Framework for Windows. However, again we are talking money. The XNA framework for Windows is free, but creating games for the XBox requires a special license, and I'm not quite sure what is involved in getting the development tools for XBox. Another problem I see with creating accessible games for the XBox is XAct. In brief, there is an audio tool, XAct, that is required to compile sounds and music into soundbanks for the Xbox 360 console. It defines settings for loops, 3d audio support, sound effects, etc. Since the XAct tool is largely unaccessible writing games for the XBox 360 would be, to say the least, difficult. I wouldn't say impossible, but it is a difficult issue. As far as if PCs are more popular than game consolesI'd say yes. Most of the accessible gamers I'd say don't own an XBox, Play Station, or Wii for the simple fact they cost a lot of money, the games aren't fully accessible, and most accessible games are for the PC. Plus writing games for a PC is much cheaper than even thinking about the nightmare of trying to license rights to create games for the Play Station, XBox, or Wii. Josh wrote: Hey, Is it possible we could or someone could make a special flash rom for a nintendo wiii or playstation or xbox flash the machine with a special firmware which would make it accessible? or, learn to program for xbox and make accessible console games? or do more people have pcs and macs than have game consoles? Josh Join me on klango at www.klango.net visit and sign my petition at: http://www.petitiononline.com/coda1234/petition.html and visit my blog at: http://jkenn337.klangoblog.net follow me on twitter at http://www.twitter.com/jkenn337 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games
Nod, you have the model 1 - my favorite. If its late at night, why, just plug a pair of headphones into the available headphone jack and enjoy. The neatest controller in the world is the 3do. Daisy chain, daisy chain...you plugged each controller into the other controllers- player 2 plugged into player 1- etc- and each controller had its own headphone jack. Some games for the genny I holeheartedly recommend are the streets of rage series, golden axe series and mortal kombat series. Oh and don't forget to try out eternal champions. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Well, you know, it really does make a change to play games that have content rather than all the jazzy looks. I've forgotten what moddle I have, the recet button is below the power switch if that's any help. But yes I love the old gaming systems. I think I'm going to have to get a collection of them going lol. So far I have sonic 2, sylvester and tweety, I love that game it's so close to the cartoon, and alien 3. have just ordered gods from ebay as well. So yeah we'll just have to see what happens won't we. I miss the old platform games. I think that games should to a degree go back to them or we should have more platform games out there still. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of constantine (on laptop) Sent: 02 October 2008 23:24 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Yup, I'm enjoying my new old mega drive now. I got one off ebay and am just buying games for it like no tomorrow. Love it!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Randall Sent: 01 October 2008 21:47 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hey Bryan and all. Well my collection as far as older stuff goes includes a regular Atari 2600, an atari 2600 JR. an Atari 800, and 800XL, a 130XE, a Sega Genisis, and an Atari Lynx plus various software and drives and controlers for all systems. All of this gear works. For newer stuff all I currently have is my psp but as I said I am working on picking up probably a ps2 for a newer home console fairly soon. I still really like the old game systems but I must admit I am really starting to enjoy the newer stuff as well which was not the case until fairly recently. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I happen to have an Atari, a regular NES, Super NES, Game Boy Advance and Game Cube. Not a massive collection but the Atari still works, which is rare these days. Of course I did recently discover a web site whose owner specializes in just such things as Atari and the other older gaming systems. I've never gotten a defective product from him, Systems, joysticks, games, you name it he probably has it in stock from time to time. They're a bit pricy but considering he completely rebuilds everything and tests it thoroughly before selling it it's worth it. As I said I've never once gotten a defective game or other product from him. And he accepts PayPal, so ordering is fairly easy. --- Gamers mailing list
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games
Yeah, how about goldeneye? Perfect dark? Star fox (even though its single player, darn was that fun.) Um, super smash bros has had many hours of being plugged into my system, so much so that the chip in there is nearly gone- so loading the game is very very hard- and it likes to freeze quite offen. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, Yeah, the Nintendo 64 was awesome. Still wish I had mine. I liked Donkey Kong 64 and there was a Xena Warrior Princess game I had for it that was cool. Oh, and can't forget about Castlevania 64. Always great to play during halloween time. constantine (on laptop) wrote: I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games
Awwwgh, really? You might have a buyer over here. I'd buy it if only to have a spare in case my old one died. And to think when I'm 37 years old these things will already be as old as the atari or ness is now. - 20 years later. The genny and sega cd will, probably, stop working and will become very rare, and the atari? Thouse will be like those Plymouth furies from 1969 that are preserved and put in musiums. See here, kids. This here is where your simulated racing games came from. (I wonder what games will be like in 20 years)? contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Lol. I have a nintendo 64 here and don't use it. Planning on selling it in fact. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, Yeah, the Nintendo 64 was awesome. Still wish I had mine. I liked Donkey Kong 64 and there was a Xena Warrior Princess game I had for it that was cool. Oh, and can't forget about Castlevania 64. Always great to play during halloween time. constantine (on laptop) wrote: I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games
No its not. The emulators are slower- keypresses can take longer. Controlls take getting used to. Music, for me at least, and on nintendo 64 roms, is choppy - or staticky. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Oh yeah, you can get the emulators, but somehow it's just not the same is it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1704 - Release Date: 02/10/2008 21:35 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1708 - Release Date: 10/4/2008 11:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh yeah, you can get the emulators, but somehow it's just not the same is it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1704 - Release Date: 02/10/2008 21:35 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games
Some very good memories of the Atari 2600 and the other system I had which was the odessey2. Wish I still had them around today. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Darren, Yeah, I still like my older gaming systems too. I still have a working Atari 7800 that also plays 2600 and 5200 titles, and I have an original NES with about 50 games I owned when I was a kid. You would think after 25 years of playing them they would get old, but I still like to take them out and play them from time to time. In addition to the above mentioned platforms I have installed stella for Linux, and can play lots of Atari roms on my Linux system as well. Darren Harris wrote: Well, you know, it really does make a change to play games that have content rather than all the jazzy looks. I've forgotten what moddle I have, the recet button is below the power switch if that's any help. But yes I love the old gaming systems. I think I'm going to have to get a collection of them going lol. So far I have sonic 2, sylvester and tweety, I love that game it's so close to the cartoon, and alien 3. have just ordered gods from ebay as well. So yeah we'll just have to see what happens won't we. I miss the old platform games. I think that games should to a degree go back to them or we should have more platform games out there still. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Still miss that snes I have... actually, that was the only system I had two of. I had a japanese snes and a north american one. Street fighter 2 and dragon ball z. Classics... lol. I'm young, okay? =P --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Have a snes here as well. I need to blow on the games more than usual cause they're very old, but that's the fun of it. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, October 03, 2008 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Still miss that snes I have... actually, that was the only system I had two of. I had a japanese snes and a north american one. Street fighter 2 and dragon ball z. Classics... lol. I'm young, okay? =P --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Lol. I have a nintendo 64 here and don't use it. Planning on selling it in fact. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, Yeah, the Nintendo 64 was awesome. Still wish I had mine. I liked Donkey Kong 64 and there was a Xena Warrior Princess game I had for it that was cool. Oh, and can't forget about Castlevania 64. Always great to play during halloween time. constantine (on laptop) wrote: I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Yup, I'm enjoying my new old mega drive now. I got one off ebay and am just buying games for it like no tomorrow. Love it!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Randall Sent: 01 October 2008 21:47 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hey Bryan and all. Well my collection as far as older stuff goes includes a regular Atari 2600, an atari 2600 JR. an Atari 800, and 800XL, a 130XE, a Sega Genisis, and an Atari Lynx plus various software and drives and controlers for all systems. All of this gear works. For newer stuff all I currently have is my psp but as I said I am working on picking up probably a ps2 for a newer home console fairly soon. I still really like the old game systems but I must admit I am really starting to enjoy the newer stuff as well which was not the case until fairly recently. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I happen to have an Atari, a regular NES, Super NES, Game Boy Advance and Game Cube. Not a massive collection but the Atari still works, which is rare these days. Of course I did recently discover a web site whose owner specializes in just such things as Atari and the other older gaming systems. I've never gotten a defective product from him, Systems, joysticks, games, you name it he probably has it in stock from time to time. They're a bit pricy but considering he completely rebuilds everything and tests it thoroughly before selling it it's worth it. As I said I've never once gotten a defective game or other product from him. And he accepts PayPal, so ordering is fairly easy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, you know, it really does make a change to play games that have content rather than all the jazzy looks. I've forgotten what moddle I have, the recet button is below the power switch if that's any help. But yes I love the old gaming systems. I think I'm going to have to get a collection of them going lol. So far I have sonic 2, sylvester and tweety, I love that game it's so close to the cartoon, and alien 3. have just ordered gods from ebay as well. So yeah we'll just have to see what happens won't we. I miss the old platform games. I think that games should to a degree go back to them or we should have more platform games out there still. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of constantine (on laptop) Sent: 02 October 2008 23:24 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Yup, I'm enjoying my new old mega drive now. I got one off ebay and am just buying games for it like no tomorrow. Love it!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Randall Sent: 01 October 2008 21:47 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hey Bryan and all. Well my collection as far as older stuff goes includes a regular Atari 2600, an atari 2600 JR. an Atari 800, and 800XL, a 130XE, a Sega Genisis, and an Atari Lynx plus various software and drives and controlers for all systems. All of this gear works. For newer stuff all I currently have is my psp but as I said I am working on picking up probably a ps2 for a newer home console fairly soon. I still really like the old game systems but I must admit I am really starting to enjoy the newer stuff as well which was not the case until fairly recently. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I happen to have an Atari, a regular NES, Super NES, Game Boy Advance and Game Cube. Not a massive collection but the Atari still works, which is rare these days. Of course I did recently discover a web site whose owner specializes in just such things as Atari and the other older gaming systems. I've never gotten a defective product from him, Systems, joysticks, games, you name it he probably has it in stock from time to time. They're a bit pricy but considering he completely rebuilds everything and tests it thoroughly before selling it it's worth it. As I said I've never once gotten a defective game or other product from him. And he accepts PayPal, so ordering is fairly easy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages
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Hi Darren, Yeah, I still like my older gaming systems too. I still have a working Atari 7800 that also plays 2600 and 5200 titles, and I have an original NES with about 50 games I owned when I was a kid. You would think after 25 years of playing them they would get old, but I still like to take them out and play them from time to time. In addition to the above mentioned platforms I have installed stella for Linux, and can play lots of Atari roms on my Linux system as well. Darren Harris wrote: Well, you know, it really does make a change to play games that have content rather than all the jazzy looks. I've forgotten what moddle I have, the recet button is below the power switch if that's any help. But yes I love the old gaming systems. I think I'm going to have to get a collection of them going lol. So far I have sonic 2, sylvester and tweety, I love that game it's so close to the cartoon, and alien 3. have just ordered gods from ebay as well. So yeah we'll just have to see what happens won't we. I miss the old platform games. I think that games should to a degree go back to them or we should have more platform games out there still. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yeah, the Nintendo 64 was awesome. Still wish I had mine. I liked Donkey Kong 64 and there was a Xena Warrior Princess game I had for it that was cool. Oh, and can't forget about Castlevania 64. Always great to play during halloween time. constantine (on laptop) wrote: I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Now, Donkey Kong is a game I definitely miss playing. MAY WYNTER ACTRESS VOICE TALENT: Agent: SilverScreen Edmonton Agents Phone: 780-669-2033 http://www.silverscreeninc.com/talent_detail.php?id=5158 - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2008 9:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, Yeah, the Nintendo 64 was awesome. Still wish I had mine. I liked Donkey Kong 64 and there was a Xena Warrior Princess game I had for it that was cool. Oh, and can't forget about Castlevania 64. Always great to play during halloween time. constantine (on laptop) wrote: I absolutely love those things. What version do you have? I like the model 1, and also sega cd model 1, with the front loading system. These feel, to me, to be more sturdy units and less prone to damage. As someone said on a nintendo 64 review, you could drive a tank over it and it wouldn't be damaged. Ok, a bit of over exageration, but honestly. It really does rock and if I manage to get my hands on something else I'm always looking for other systems. I love older cd based systems and sure I love all this modern stuff. But honestly! Its really starting to (insert cuss here) me off that everything is all about graphics! We've had cd quality sound for years and even cartridge based systems can pipe out the tunes half decently. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 081002-0, 02/10/2008 Tested on: 02/10/2008 9:07:27 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2008 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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on that note I have been discussing where I can get some old stuff this topic will be as good as any to post this in fact it may be just what I want. Any way I can get sounds of what these old systems sounded like, is there somewhere I can download mp3s or whatever of the systems games, etc just to hear. This has started for me when I decided to look for old sound driver cds because some of the old disks especially the ones by creative have midis and audio tracks on them. Any place i can download these cds, well the wave midi and audio tracks on mp3? At 04:01 p.m. 3/10/2008, you wrote: Hi Darren, Yeah, I still like my older gaming systems too. I still have a working Atari 7800 that also plays 2600 and 5200 titles, and I have an original NES with about 50 games I owned when I was a kid. You would think after 25 years of playing them they would get old, but I still like to take them out and play them from time to time. In addition to the above mentioned platforms I have installed stella for Linux, and can play lots of Atari roms on my Linux system as well. Darren Harris wrote: Well, you know, it really does make a change to play games that have content rather than all the jazzy looks. I've forgotten what moddle I have, the recet button is below the power switch if that's any help. But yes I love the old gaming systems. I think I'm going to have to get a collection of them going lol. So far I have sonic 2, sylvester and tweety, I love that game it's so close to the cartoon, and alien 3. have just ordered gods from ebay as well. So yeah we'll just have to see what happens won't we. I miss the old platform games. I think that games should to a degree go back to them or we should have more platform games out there still. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey Bryan and all. Well my collection as far as older stuff goes includes a regular Atari 2600, an atari 2600 JR. an Atari 800, and 800XL, a 130XE, a Sega Genisis, and an Atari Lynx plus various software and drives and controlers for all systems. All of this gear works. For newer stuff all I currently have is my psp but as I said I am working on picking up probably a ps2 for a newer home console fairly soon. I still really like the old game systems but I must admit I am really starting to enjoy the newer stuff as well which was not the case until fairly recently. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I happen to have an Atari, a regular NES, Super NES, Game Boy Advance and Game Cube. Not a massive collection but the Atari still works, which is rare these days. Of course I did recently discover a web site whose owner specializes in just such things as Atari and the other older gaming systems. I've never gotten a defective product from him, Systems, joysticks, games, you name it he probably has it in stock from time to time. They're a bit pricy but considering he completely rebuilds everything and tests it thoroughly before selling it it's worth it. As I said I've never once gotten a defective game or other product from him. And he accepts PayPal, so ordering is fairly easy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yup, I'm enjoying my new old mega drive now. I got one off ebay and am just buying games for it like no tomorrow. Love it!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Randall Sent: 01 October 2008 21:47 To: 'Gamers Discussion list' Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hey Bryan and all. Well my collection as far as older stuff goes includes a regular Atari 2600, an atari 2600 JR. an Atari 800, and 800XL, a 130XE, a Sega Genisis, and an Atari Lynx plus various software and drives and controlers for all systems. All of this gear works. For newer stuff all I currently have is my psp but as I said I am working on picking up probably a ps2 for a newer home console fairly soon. I still really like the old game systems but I must admit I am really starting to enjoy the newer stuff as well which was not the case until fairly recently. Best regards, Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Peterson Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:10 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games I happen to have an Atari, a regular NES, Super NES, Game Boy Advance and Game Cube. Not a massive collection but the Atari still works, which is rare these days. Of course I did recently discover a web site whose owner specializes in just such things as Atari and the other older gaming systems. I've never gotten a defective product from him, Systems, joysticks, games, you name it he probably has it in stock from time to time. They're a bit pricy but considering he completely rebuilds everything and tests it thoroughly before selling it it's worth it. As I said I've never once gotten a defective game or other product from him. And he accepts PayPal, so ordering is fairly easy. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.5/1702 - Release Date: 01/10/2008 09:05 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Holy cow! That is what I call a ridiculous collection lol. Makes my collection of Atari and some other of the older stuff look downright small. So far I have not had the best of luck with any of the cartridge based games for my Sega Genisis unit and the few cd drive boxes I have seen for it would cost me way more than the unit itself did. Quite a few of the mainstream games I want to try seem to be pretty much out only for the ps2 or xbox so I am probably going to start saving my nickels to pick up a ps2 when I can, at which point I will have to put my genisis away or do some other rearranging since space is at a premium here. Oh well such is life. Game on. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of constantine (on laptop) Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi I really hope mortal kombat gets released for the psp, similar to ps3's. I love my psp and won't ever go with anything else- actually, another console to add here - am I the only one that has good luck with it? - is the nintendo 64! Such good memories, much fun and a lot, and I mean a lot, of trial and error. I stil own this beauty and have a lot of non accessible games for it. But I love it, nonetheless. I also own most other systems you can think of. Sega products, including sega cd, sega genny, (1, 2, and the horrid 3), cd x, sega saturn, sega dreamcast, game gear, nomad. Master system, 3 do, super ness, nes. Jaguar cd. Jaguar. Note: some of these systems are extreeemely rare! I had a heck of a time obtaining a 3do at a reasonable price, same with the nomad. I love them all though and, eventually, will do podcasts on the ones I can. I can't really do podcasts very good, and am practicing, but these podcasts will come in a while, I hope. I have 1 or two accessible games for each system, some systems, though, don't even have one. I own the system for the joy of it- and yes, sometimes regret it- but if your looking for a portable system, why not try the gameboy. I agree, the newer systems are good, but older systems have a certain charm to them, pokemon series for one is completely accessible (well, not completely but very close). hope that helps contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Tom Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lindsay Cowell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay and all. Well Thomas did a really excellent job of explaining a lot of aspects of playing mainstream games but I will add my two cents as well. It apparently really depends on what console you have as to what games are playable and how easy it is to get them going. From what I have read here it seems that the Sony consoles e.g. playstation, playstation 2, 3, psp etc. seem to be the ones to get, although the new Nintendo console is supposed to be good as well if you want to spend the cash for it. If you are going to go with one of the nonportable playstations, probably a ps2 or 3 is the best because they are apparently backward compatible, meaning you can play old playstation games on them as well as the newer ones. I personally own a playstation portable and I love it but am also looking into getting one of the nonportable ones for home use. As I commented in another message it will probably be a playstation 2 as the ps3 is just too expensive right now. I would definitely agree with Thomas that you should start with something relatively simple like one of the fighting games such as Tekken or Mortal Kombat even if you are not sure that you like that kind of game. If you start with something too complicated too soon or you have a bad experience and run into an unplayable game too soon then you are more likely to get frustrated and give up. As he says you are going to need to memorize the game menus e.g. press down arrow three times and press the X key, then press down arrow twice and press X again things like that. Fortunately most of the menus at least on the psp seem to make a sound when you press a direction key so you know that it took, I would assume that at least the other Sony consoles are similar. Once you are into the game itself then you will find it is a matter of memorizing moves and combos and quite a bit of trial and error especially at first. It is easy to get frustrated and give up and I imagine quite a few people do at this point but just stick with it. The thing to remember is that although you will probably never be as good as a sighted
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I happen to have an Atari, a regular NES, Super NES, Game Boy Advance and Game Cube. Not a massive collection but the Atari still works, which is rare these days. Of course I did recently discover a web site whose owner specializes in just such things as Atari and the other older gaming systems. I've never gotten a defective product from him, Systems, joysticks, games, you name it he probably has it in stock from time to time. They're a bit pricy but considering he completely rebuilds everything and tests it thoroughly before selling it it's worth it. As I said I've never once gotten a defective game or other product from him. And he accepts PayPal, so ordering is fairly easy. - Original Message - From: Tom Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2008 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Holy cow! That is what I call a ridiculous collection lol. Makes my collection of Atari and some other of the older stuff look downright small. So far I have not had the best of luck with any of the cartridge based games for my Sega Genisis unit and the few cd drive boxes I have seen for it would cost me way more than the unit itself did. Quite a few of the mainstream games I want to try seem to be pretty much out only for the ps2 or xbox so I am probably going to start saving my nickels to pick up a ps2 when I can, at which point I will have to put my genisis away or do some other rearranging since space is at a premium here. Oh well such is life. Game on. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of constantine (on laptop) Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:50 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi I really hope mortal kombat gets released for the psp, similar to ps3's. I love my psp and won't ever go with anything else- actually, another console to add here - am I the only one that has good luck with it? - is the nintendo 64! Such good memories, much fun and a lot, and I mean a lot, of trial and error. I stil own this beauty and have a lot of non accessible games for it. But I love it, nonetheless. I also own most other systems you can think of. Sega products, including sega cd, sega genny, (1, 2, and the horrid 3), cd x, sega saturn, sega dreamcast, game gear, nomad. Master system, 3 do, super ness, nes. Jaguar cd. Jaguar. Note: some of these systems are extreeemely rare! I had a heck of a time obtaining a 3do at a reasonable price, same with the nomad. I love them all though and, eventually, will do podcasts on the ones I can. I can't really do podcasts very good, and am practicing, but these podcasts will come in a while, I hope. I have 1 or two accessible games for each system, some systems, though, don't even have one. I own the system for the joy of it- and yes, sometimes regret it- but if your looking for a portable system, why not try the gameboy. I agree, the newer systems are good, but older systems have a certain charm to them, pokemon series for one is completely accessible (well, not completely but very close). hope that helps contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Tom Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lindsay Cowell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay and all. Well Thomas did a really excellent job of explaining a lot of aspects of playing mainstream games but I will add my two cents as well. It apparently really depends on what console you have as to what games are playable and how easy it is to get them going. From what I have read here it seems that the Sony consoles e.g. playstation, playstation 2, 3, psp etc. seem to be the ones to get, although the new Nintendo console is supposed to be good as well if you want to spend the cash for it. If you are going to go with one of the nonportable playstations, probably a ps2 or 3 is the best because they are apparently backward compatible, meaning you can play old playstation games on them as well as the newer ones. I personally own a playstation portable and I love it but am also looking into getting one of the nonportable ones for home use. As I commented in another message it will probably be a playstation 2 as the ps3 is just too expensive right now. I would definitely agree with Thomas that you should start with something relatively simple like one of the fighting games such as Tekken or Mortal Kombat even if you are not sure that you like that kind of game. If you start with something too complicated too soon or you have a bad experience
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Hmm. Let's hope so... because I wouldn't mind better acting. Language options would be nice too. lol. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games That'll probably change. According to the MKast, which is a new MK dedicated podcast they're publishing now, the dev team is hiring professional voice actors for the game. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games The only gripe I have about that is MK isn't very famous for its voice acting. lol. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
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Hi I really hope mortal kombat gets released for the psp, similar to ps3's. I love my psp and won't ever go with anything else- actually, another console to add here - am I the only one that has good luck with it? - is the nintendo 64! Such good memories, much fun and a lot, and I mean a lot, of trial and error. I stil own this beauty and have a lot of non accessible games for it. But I love it, nonetheless. I also own most other systems you can think of. Sega products, including sega cd, sega genny, (1, 2, and the horrid 3), cd x, sega saturn, sega dreamcast, game gear, nomad. Master system, 3 do, super ness, nes. Jaguar cd. Jaguar. Note: some of these systems are extreeemely rare! I had a heck of a time obtaining a 3do at a reasonable price, same with the nomad. I love them all though and, eventually, will do podcasts on the ones I can. I can't really do podcasts very good, and am practicing, but these podcasts will come in a while, I hope. I have 1 or two accessible games for each system, some systems, though, don't even have one. I own the system for the joy of it- and yes, sometimes regret it- but if your looking for a portable system, why not try the gameboy. I agree, the newer systems are good, but older systems have a certain charm to them, pokemon series for one is completely accessible (well, not completely but very close). hope that helps contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Tom Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lindsay Cowell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay and all. Well Thomas did a really excellent job of explaining a lot of aspects of playing mainstream games but I will add my two cents as well. It apparently really depends on what console you have as to what games are playable and how easy it is to get them going. From what I have read here it seems that the Sony consoles e.g. playstation, playstation 2, 3, psp etc. seem to be the ones to get, although the new Nintendo console is supposed to be good as well if you want to spend the cash for it. If you are going to go with one of the nonportable playstations, probably a ps2 or 3 is the best because they are apparently backward compatible, meaning you can play old playstation games on them as well as the newer ones. I personally own a playstation portable and I love it but am also looking into getting one of the nonportable ones for home use. As I commented in another message it will probably be a playstation 2 as the ps3 is just too expensive right now. I would definitely agree with Thomas that you should start with something relatively simple like one of the fighting games such as Tekken or Mortal Kombat even if you are not sure that you like that kind of game. If you start with something too complicated too soon or you have a bad experience and run into an unplayable game too soon then you are more likely to get frustrated and give up. As he says you are going to need to memorize the game menus e.g. press down arrow three times and press the X key, then press down arrow twice and press X again things like that. Fortunately most of the menus at least on the psp seem to make a sound when you press a direction key so you know that it took, I would assume that at least the other Sony consoles are similar. Once you are into the game itself then you will find it is a matter of memorizing moves and combos and quite a bit of trial and error especially at first. It is easy to get frustrated and give up and I imagine quite a few people do at this point but just stick with it. The thing to remember is that although you will probably never be as good as a sighted player at most of these mainstream games so long as you can play it far enough to have fun and you feel you've gotten your money's worth that is what is important. I still only have the one game that I can play on the psp that is Tekken dark resurrection but I have a blast with it and play it all the time and have not tired of it yet. One option for trying games out that might be convenient for us is gamefly.com, this is a service similar to netflix where you get a certain number of games sent to you per month depending on how much you pay them. It starts at ten or fifteen bucks a month or something along those lines, I've considered it but haven't actually taken the plunge yet. Well that's enough for now, feel free to drop me a note if I can help you more. Happy gaming. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindsay Cowell Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:38 PM To: Gamers List
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I'm drooling at the prospect of this. I've been hoping for something similar to goldeneye for the n64, actually. But heck, anything will do! contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi Kellie, Thanks. Hopefully I can begin releasing 3D games sometime early next year. So far porting my Genesis 3D FPS engine to Java is going quite well all things considered. I have a lot of the basic player commands programmed into the engine such as walking, running, sidestepping, jumping, climbing, etc. I think the next step will be porting the 3D level editor over to Java so I can build some test levels to test out the engine and test actually moving around in a full 3D environment. I am pretty psyched about the whole thing because when Genesis 3D is ready to create 3D games it will be the first taiste of accessible mainstream style games most on this list have ever experienced. A true 3D environment adds a completely new dinamic to playing games as enemies can be above, below, left, right, ahead, or behind you, and you also have to look up and if the enemy is above or below your line of sight you have to look up or down to shoot at it as well as line it up. So It is going to be a lot trickier to master than a point and shoot game. It will take some practice for most gamers I think. Especially, since a player's pov, (point of view,) is often ignored in accessible games, but it is quite common in the mainstream market in FPS games. I suppose some concepts like point of view are ignored, because many of the blind accessible game developers probably don't fully understand it not having had sight before. While it is pretty much a totally sighted concept it still can be done in audio quite well by using 3D audio as well as targeting beeps to indicate if the triangulation is correct and the enemy is precisely lined up for a shot. I plan to add some look ahead command which will tell you exactly what is in front of you such as doors, walls, enemys, special items, etc so that you can get an idea of what is directly in your character's line of sight. So all in all I guess we will get to find out together what it is like to play something similar to mainstream games only made in a totally audio format. I expect there will be lots of testing involved before it is all ready to go. Smile. Kellie and my lovable Lady J. wrote: Tom, I can not wait til your games are out. I feel the same way about the accessible game market. I love a lot of the games that are currently out. But, I so wish for a game of a different sort. I really would love to see a rpg but being that they can be so intensive I am not sure if I will ever see that come to pass. But I appreciate all the work you put in and can't wait to play the games you create. *smile* Kellie and my lovable Lady J. canine welfare Technician. Guide Dogs for the Blind, Oregon campus. www.guidedogs.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I totally agree with this. Shades of dume is kind of hard for me, I tried playing the demo and got a bit confused, but I eventually got it and beat it easily. Tank Commander? easy. All of them are. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi Darren, For me it is an issue of how challenging the game is, and being able to try several different things. Many of the current accessible games don't provide a lot of serious challenges for me. I don't consider myself super inteligent, but I do think the A.I. systems in a lot of accessible games falls short of putting up a serious challenge for me. For example, I initially wrote STFC, because I found GMA's Trek 2000 way too simple to play. Yeah, I know others have told me the game was super hard, it is a difficult game, so I baught it and beat it on all five difficulty levels in a month. Most of the time when I play on the highest difficulty I walk away from the game with 3 ships and two bases, and there have been a number of times I didn't lose any ships and stations on difficulty 5. That means it is just too easy if I can walk away from the game with everything in tact, and totally whiped out all the enemies. Besides better A.I. in mainstream games I find there is a lot more strategical opertunities that just aren't available in audio games. In a mainstream game you might be able to take up a snipers position behind packing crates, pillars, from catwalks, bridges, whatever. If you are firing down at a bunch of enemies from high up it instantly gives you better strategical attacks. If you are hiding behind a crate and fire at an enemy over the top and duck down behind it you have a shield of sort to block incoming fire while you can blast the enemies out in the open. I like being able to pick my battles and do the logical thing like sniper my enemies from various vantage points when it is available. Darren Harris wrote: Yup this is the trouble. There's very few games out there that I'd definitely go out and buy, because of that reason. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The psp actually isn't like the ps3... there's a lot less it can do. Not surprising, since the ps3 is basically a linux box. lol. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, September 29, 2008 3:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi I really hope mortal kombat gets released for the psp, similar to ps3's. I love my psp and won't ever go with anything else- actually, another console to add here - am I the only one that has good luck with it? - is the nintendo 64! Such good memories, much fun and a lot, and I mean a lot, of trial and error. I stil own this beauty and have a lot of non accessible games for it. But I love it, nonetheless. I also own most other systems you can think of. Sega products, including sega cd, sega genny, (1, 2, and the horrid 3), cd x, sega saturn, sega dreamcast, game gear, nomad. Master system, 3 do, super ness, nes. Jaguar cd. Jaguar. Note: some of these systems are extreeemely rare! I had a heck of a time obtaining a 3do at a reasonable price, same with the nomad. I love them all though and, eventually, will do podcasts on the ones I can. I can't really do podcasts very good, and am practicing, but these podcasts will come in a while, I hope. I have 1 or two accessible games for each system, some systems, though, don't even have one. I own the system for the joy of it- and yes, sometimes regret it- but if your looking for a portable system, why not try the gameboy. I agree, the newer systems are good, but older systems have a certain charm to them, pokemon series for one is completely accessible (well, not completely but very close). hope that helps contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Tom Randall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lindsay Cowell' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay and all. Well Thomas did a really excellent job of explaining a lot of aspects of playing mainstream games but I will add my two cents as well. It apparently really depends on what console you have as to what games are playable and how easy it is to get them going. From what I have read here it seems that the Sony consoles e.g. playstation, playstation 2, 3, psp etc. seem to be the ones to get, although the new Nintendo console is supposed to be good as well if you want to spend the cash for it. If you are going to go with one of the nonportable playstations, probably a ps2 or 3 is the best because they are apparently backward compatible, meaning you can play old playstation games on them as well as the newer ones. I personally own a playstation portable and I love it but am also looking into getting one of the nonportable ones for home use. As I commented in another message it will probably be a playstation 2 as the ps3 is just too expensive right now. I would definitely agree with Thomas that you should start with something relatively simple like one of the fighting games such as Tekken or Mortal Kombat even if you are not sure that you like that kind of game. If you start with something too complicated too soon or you have a bad experience and run into an unplayable game too soon then you are more likely to get frustrated and give up. As he says you are going to need to memorize the game menus e.g. press down arrow three times and press the X key, then press down arrow twice and press X again things like that. Fortunately most of the menus at least on the psp seem to make a sound when you press a direction key so you know that it took, I would assume that at least the other Sony consoles are similar. Once you are into the game itself then you will find it is a matter of memorizing moves and combos and quite a bit of trial and error especially at first. It is easy to get frustrated and give up and I imagine quite a few people do at this point but just stick with it. The thing to remember is that although you will probably never be as good as a sighted player at most of these mainstream games so long as you can play it far enough to have fun and you feel you've gotten your money's worth that is what is important. I still only have the one game that I can play on the psp that is Tekken dark resurrection but I have a blast with it and play it all the time and have not tired of it yet. One option for trying games out that might be convenient for us is gamefly.com, this is a service similar to netflix where you get a certain number of games sent to you per month depending on how much you pay them. It starts at ten or fifteen bucks a month or something along those
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That'll probably change. According to the MKast, which is a new MK dedicated podcast they're publishing now, the dev team is hiring professional voice actors for the game. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games The only gripe I have about that is MK isn't very famous for its voice acting. lol. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL
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Well unless you have a local gamestop. then you can drop by and play the version they have on display. I'm quite certain they'll have it. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, Sounds pretty neat. Unfortunately, I don't have the cash for a PS3, and probably won't be able to try MK VS DC until I get on better financial footing. Yohandy wrote: Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm working on a very detailed RPG right now. Check out www.blind-games.comor forum.blind-games.com if you're interested in testing. I share Tom's interest in making more mainstream genres for blind gamers. I hope to have a version of my game ready this year. Jason On Sat, Sep 27, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Kellie and my lovable Lady J. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, I can not wait til your games are out. I feel the same way about the accessible game market. I love a lot of the games that are currently out. But, I so wish for a game of a different sort. I really would love to see a rpg but being that they can be so intensive I am not sure if I will ever see that come to pass. But I appreciate all the work you put in and can't wait to play the games you create. *smile* Kellie and my lovable Lady J. canine welfare Technician. Guide Dogs for the Blind, Oregon campus. www.guidedogs.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi, Yeah, and the wait between accessible game releases isn't the only reason blind gamers are looking at mainstream games. For me personally I tend to find the majority of audio games produced for the blind do not hold my personal interest. We have plenty of card games, board games, Space Invader type clones, but nothing really like the games you can get for the XBox or Playstation these days. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with card games, board games, etc but it seams to be the main focus of audio game developers. The main reason I have been working on a full 3D game engine for the blind, fairly similar to mainstream FPS engines, is that I would like to see more accessible games made like Halo, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight, Gear Wars, etc. Those games really hold my interest, and I will sit for hours trying to play the mainstream versions, and if there was an accessible game made like that I'd certainly be spilling my pockets to get it. However, at this point in time I find myself the only blind accessible game developer creating a game engine that can make games on the par with the mainstream games. Orin wrote: Most people are at least trying mainstream games, or attempting to. Wanna know why? Think about this. When in audio games did we have the last big rlease? Rail Racer which, as of now was released a year ago. Heck, I don't even know what the last big release was. Been so long. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, I don't really remember the endings to anything before tekken 4. Its been so long since I had a play station- it had a mod chip but I never used it. I always have wondered why in the world people mod there system when you can buy like 10 games for as much as you paid for it if you know where to look. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Those too! I love Tekken! Anyone remember Brian fury's ending from tekken 3? There was an awesome one. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, I recommend the tekken games. That's what I learned on, and stil love to this day. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1693 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 7:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail
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I posted a request to test the game in the intumbed topic on the blind-games site, was that the right place? THanks, Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Kellie, Thanks. Hopefully I can begin releasing 3D games sometime early next year. So far porting my Genesis 3D FPS engine to Java is going quite well all things considered. I have a lot of the basic player commands programmed into the engine such as walking, running, sidestepping, jumping, climbing, etc. I think the next step will be porting the 3D level editor over to Java so I can build some test levels to test out the engine and test actually moving around in a full 3D environment. I am pretty psyched about the whole thing because when Genesis 3D is ready to create 3D games it will be the first taiste of accessible mainstream style games most on this list have ever experienced. A true 3D environment adds a completely new dinamic to playing games as enemies can be above, below, left, right, ahead, or behind you, and you also have to look up and if the enemy is above or below your line of sight you have to look up or down to shoot at it as well as line it up. So It is going to be a lot trickier to master than a point and shoot game. It will take some practice for most gamers I think. Especially, since a player's pov, (point of view,) is often ignored in accessible games, but it is quite common in the mainstream market in FPS games. I suppose some concepts like point of view are ignored, because many of the blind accessible game developers probably don't fully understand it not having had sight before. While it is pretty much a totally sighted concept it still can be done in audio quite well by using 3D audio as well as targeting beeps to indicate if the triangulation is correct and the enemy is precisely lined up for a shot. I plan to add some look ahead command which will tell you exactly what is in front of you such as doors, walls, enemys, special items, etc so that you can get an idea of what is directly in your character's line of sight. So all in all I guess we will get to find out together what it is like to play something similar to mainstream games only made in a totally audio format. I expect there will be lots of testing involved before it is all ready to go. Smile. Kellie and my lovable Lady J. wrote: Tom, I can not wait til your games are out. I feel the same way about the accessible game market. I love a lot of the games that are currently out. But, I so wish for a game of a different sort. I really would love to see a rpg but being that they can be so intensive I am not sure if I will ever see that come to pass. But I appreciate all the work you put in and can't wait to play the games you create. *smile* Kellie and my lovable Lady J. canine welfare Technician. Guide Dogs for the Blind, Oregon campus. www.guidedogs.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Sounds pretty neat. Unfortunately, I don't have the cash for a PS3, and probably won't be able to try MK VS DC until I get on better financial footing. Yohandy wrote: Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Jennifer, Jason Alan is creating an accessible RPG game called Entombed. I'm very interested in this project. It sounds pretty awesome. Jennifer Karns wrote: what rpg game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, And also http://www.usagames.us is an authorised reseller for the 7-128 Game Book in case anyone is interested. Smile. John Bannick wrote: Lindsay, We ship a dozen mainstream detective, puzzle, and word games that are accessible for blind people. Check out www.7128.com. John Bannick 7-128 Software --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Darren, For me it is an issue of how challenging the game is, and being able to try several different things. Many of the current accessible games don't provide a lot of serious challenges for me. I don't consider myself super inteligent, but I do think the A.I. systems in a lot of accessible games falls short of putting up a serious challenge for me. For example, I initially wrote STFC, because I found GMA's Trek 2000 way too simple to play. Yeah, I know others have told me the game was super hard, it is a difficult game, so I baught it and beat it on all five difficulty levels in a month. Most of the time when I play on the highest difficulty I walk away from the game with 3 ships and two bases, and there have been a number of times I didn't lose any ships and stations on difficulty 5. That means it is just too easy if I can walk away from the game with everything in tact, and totally whiped out all the enemies. Besides better A.I. in mainstream games I find there is a lot more strategical opertunities that just aren't available in audio games. In a mainstream game you might be able to take up a snipers position behind packing crates, pillars, from catwalks, bridges, whatever. If you are firing down at a bunch of enemies from high up it instantly gives you better strategical attacks. If you are hiding behind a crate and fire at an enemy over the top and duck down behind it you have a shield of sort to block incoming fire while you can blast the enemies out in the open. I like being able to pick my battles and do the logical thing like sniper my enemies from various vantage points when it is available. Darren Harris wrote: Yup this is the trouble. There's very few games out there that I'd definitely go out and buy, because of that reason. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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oh cool Thank you - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi Jennifer, Jason Alan is creating an accessible RPG game called Entombed. I'm very interested in this project. It sounds pretty awesome. Jennifer Karns wrote: what rpg game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Shaun, Sure. That is true. However, even with copyrights there are ways of stepping around them. Even though I can't technically write a game named Tomb Raider or Indiana Jones that doesn't mean I can't write a game along the same lines with different characters, sound effects, etc. As long as it is different enough from the original copyrighted work a person can get away with it. Take a game like Resident Evil 1. Well, from what I seen other than a few main characters the majority of the game is public domain stuff. Zombies are public domain, a city mall, a clown with a chainsaw, a butcher with a big knife, a Homeland Security agent, etc really isn't all that unique to get full copyright status. Names, places, etc might have to be changed, but big deal. something like Resident Evil could be made with enough small changes here and there to qualify as a new work. Most of the time copyrights are a pain, but not impossible to deal with. The only cases where they are real trouble is with big mainstream copyrighted works such as Star Wars where you can't just put a generic spin on it. Stuff like Jedis, light sabers, Sith, and the supporting characters are so important to the plot that you can't remove them and make it work. shaun everiss wrote: well its not an easy business. copywrites, the issue that this is not a full time job, you don't get much from it, etc. And you don't have a team of devs doing things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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true but its no wander that at the current time some are put off. At 05:11 a.m. 28/09/2008, you wrote: Hi Shaun, Sure. That is true. However, even with copyrights there are ways of stepping around them. Even though I can't technically write a game named Tomb Raider or Indiana Jones that doesn't mean I can't write a game along the same lines with different characters, sound effects, etc. As long as it is different enough from the original copyrighted work a person can get away with it. Take a game like Resident Evil 1. Well, from what I seen other than a few main characters the majority of the game is public domain stuff. Zombies are public domain, a city mall, a clown with a chainsaw, a butcher with a big knife, a Homeland Security agent, etc really isn't all that unique to get full copyright status. Names, places, etc might have to be changed, but big deal. something like Resident Evil could be made with enough small changes here and there to qualify as a new work. Most of the time copyrights are a pain, but not impossible to deal with. The only cases where they are real trouble is with big mainstream copyrighted works such as Star Wars where you can't just put a generic spin on it. Stuff like Jedis, light sabers, Sith, and the supporting characters are so important to the plot that you can't remove them and make it work. shaun everiss wrote: well its not an easy business. copywrites, the issue that this is not a full time job, you don't get much from it, etc. And you don't have a team of devs doing things. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, that is how the story mode works in Tekken Dark Resurrection as well. Unfortunately like Thomas I will not be getting a ps3 anytime soon. Have other things to do withthree or four hundred bucks these days. If I find a ps2 real cheap I may pick that up as many folks on here seem to have had good luck with it. Game on. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yohandy Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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neither will I. apart from the cost I have hardly any space for extra stuf. I have filled all the space i have with tech and then some. At some point i will be replacing a couple modules of this and that but I don't see myself expanding anything major. At 09:09 a.m. 28/09/2008, you wrote: Hi, that is how the story mode works in Tekken Dark Resurrection as well. Unfortunately like Thomas I will not be getting a ps3 anytime soon. Have other things to do withthree or four hundred bucks these days. If I find a ps2 real cheap I may pick that up as many folks on here seem to have had good luck with it. Game on. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Yohandy Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:51 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Are there any accessible mainstream PC games? Lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yup this is the trouble. There's very few games out there that I'd definitely go out and buy, because of that reason. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 26 September 2008 02:34 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi, Yeah, and the wait between accessible game releases isn't the only reason blind gamers are looking at mainstream games. For me personally I tend to find the majority of audio games produced for the blind do not hold my personal interest. We have plenty of card games, board games, Space Invader type clones, but nothing really like the games you can get for the XBox or Playstation these days. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with card games, board games, etc but it seams to be the main focus of audio game developers. The main reason I have been working on a full 3D game engine for the blind, fairly similar to mainstream FPS engines, is that I would like to see more accessible games made like Halo, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight, Gear Wars, etc. Those games really hold my interest, and I will sit for hours trying to play the mainstream versions, and if there was an accessible game made like that I'd certainly be spilling my pockets to get it. However, at this point in time I find myself the only blind accessible game developer creating a game engine that can make games on the par with the mainstream games. Orin wrote: Most people are at least trying mainstream games, or attempting to. Wanna know why? Think about this. When in audio games did we have the last big rlease? Rail Racer which, as of now was released a year ago. Heck, I don't even know what the last big release was. Been so long. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 25/09/2008 19:23 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.523 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1691 - Release Date: 25/09/2008 19:23 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Yeah, on line networked game play is becoming more and more important with blind as well as mainstream gamers. When Che introduced these features in Rail Racer I must say I was extremely impressed. It is such a totally great experience being able to fire up the game connect to a chat room, talk to other Rail Racer players on line, and then pick a track and race each other on line. Like you said it is a feature of many newer mainstream games, and audio game developers may want to consider looking into it for future titles. One of the reasons why I decided to switch to Java rather than stick with C# is Java has a lot better Networking API. It is well documented, works on just about every platform imaginable, and is fairly straight forward. I'm realising as you do that on line game play is the way of the future. It is good to have off line play as well, but the on line gaming experience is so much better when playing against a live player or players. Take a game like SoundRTS. In single player mode against the computer the A.I. armies aren't all that bright. Either they build up an army to guard their lands with mostly footmen and archers which can be whiped out quickly with a few well trained knights, or they attack you early on and defeat you before you really have an army. Pretty simplistic tactics and not very effective against a really sharp human player. All that is required to beat SoundRTS is be the first to get afew trained knights and the game is basically won already. With a human player both will be attempting to build the stronger army, and both might be sharp strategy players. In such a case it could turn out to be a long drawn out war. I've had games last a couple of hours when both sides get knights, dragons, mages, etc going it is a real fight. That is totally different from the computer A.I. who never uses dragons, mages, etc from what I can see. If you kill its army of knights it then reverts to spending gold on footmen and archers by the dozens which is not tactically effective against 5 or 6 good knights. When we look at mainstream games Warcraft, Galaxy Civilization, etc man they are awesome. Besides high quality sound effects some of the battles can last a really really long time and there are some hard core players out there to pick from in those games. If you want to get stomped be a newby and play Galaxy Civ or Warcraft in a one on one on line death nmatch. It is this kind of mainstream game that could become popular with audio games if we as a community put our minds to developing something along those lines. Yohandy wrote: I'm very glad you are doing this Thomas. You're right of course. There is no comparison between games for the blind and games for sighted folk. I personally just pre-ordered MK VS dc universe yesterday for ps3. can't wait for that game to be released! the voice chatting should be awesome. and there's another thing we're missing. not many games for the blind have the ability to be played online let alone voice chatting. the mainstream games however, have these chat-room environment whereby you can jump in there and challenge people at random, or some of your friends. it's great. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Super Smash Bros. Melee is also fairly plyable as long as you consider the fact that you often have the environments of each arena working against you as well as your opponent's attacks. I own it and I've been playing it for about five years now. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The only gripe I have about that is MK isn't very famous for its voice acting. lol. - Original Message - From: Yohandy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Here's some interesting news on the mk DC game. From what I've heard and some speculation as well, the MK story mode will be totally accessible. you'll basically pick a character to start it off with, then you just fight different characters and the stoy mode will progress with cutscenes etc. pretty neat if you ask me. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Depends on what console you have though, Brian, as Super smash bros is a nintendo exclusive. I'd recommend Mortal Kombat to start off with as that series of game even those for the ps2 doesn't really have too complex of an engine. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Super Smash Bros. Melee is also fairly plyable as long as you consider the fact that you often have the environments of each arena working against you as well as your opponent's attacks. I own it and I've been playing it for about five years now. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Soul Calibur does, as I descovered. Perhaps that wasn't the best fighting game to start out with on the PS3. On Sep 26, 2008, at 6:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Depends on what console you have though, Brian, as Super smash bros is a nintendo exclusive. I'd recommend Mortal Kombat to start off with as that series of game even those for the ps2 doesn't really have too complex of an engine. - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Super Smash Bros. Melee is also fairly plyable as long as you consider the fact that you often have the environments of each arena working against you as well as your opponent's attacks. I own it and I've been playing it for about five years now. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your
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Hi, I recommend the tekken games. That's what I learned on, and stil love to this day. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1693 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 7:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yeah, also the one for n64 isn't bad iether. I haven't played the gamecube version, though. What differences in accessibility are there? contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Bryan Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Super Smash Bros. Melee is also fairly plyable as long as you consider the fact that you often have the environments of each arena working against you as well as your opponent's attacks. I own it and I've been playing it for about five years now. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1693 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 7:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail
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Those too! I love Tekken! Anyone remember Brian fury's ending from tekken 3? There was an awesome one. - Original Message - From: constantine (on laptop) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi, I recommend the tekken games. That's what I learned on, and stil love to this day. contact details: email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] and others msn: [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: the_conman283 system details: Hp pavillion dv5220CA notebook pc AMD Turion(tm) 64 Mobile Technology ML-37 2.0 GHZ, 1024 mb DDR ram, Fujitsu 100 gb 4500 RPM Hard Drive, connecsant AC-link audio - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Lindsay Cowell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games Hi Lindsay, I guess it really depends on what you view as accessible, and how much work you are willing to put into practicing the game to make it playable by you. For example the fighting games like Mortal Kombat are all fairly accessible once you memorize the menus, and have another blind or sighted gamer walk you through it a couple of times. The WWE wrestling games like WWE Smackdown vs Raw are accessible once you learn the different moves, sounds, and memorize a few things. Brandon Coal has a podcast around somewhere on WWE Smackdown VS Raw, and it is a great introduction into the wrestling games for the PS2 and PSP. The Tomb Raider series of games I really like aren't accessible as such, but can be played with some sighted asistance. I have however discovered some tips and tricks that helps me get around in the games. For example, as long as I keep Lara Croft in walk mode I won't fall off of ledges, buildings, etc. I can walk her right up to an edge, she will stop, and then I can use the reverse safety drop command to safely turn her around and have her drop to the ground below. It took me lots and lots of practice. As far as jumping over stuff I try to time the jump by counting the time I have Lara in the air. Still some guess work involved, but I can usually do it if I am consistent about counting the time. I wouldn't recommend something as complex as TR for your first PS2 game. Like I said if you really want something somewhat easy to learn and play try a fighting game like Mortal Kombat or similar as a start. Those you can get the hang of fairly quickly. As for other games I suggest renting them and trying them out before you actually buy it to see if it is somewhat playable or not. Lindsay Cowell wrote: What mainstream games are accessible for blind people? lindsay Cowell --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.7.3/1693 - Release Date: 9/26/2008 7:35 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tom, I can not wait til your games are out. I feel the same way about the accessible game market. I love a lot of the games that are currently out. But, I so wish for a game of a different sort. I really would love to see a rpg but being that they can be so intensive I am not sure if I will ever see that come to pass. But I appreciate all the work you put in and can't wait to play the games you create. *smile* Kellie and my lovable Lady J. canine welfare Technician. Guide Dogs for the Blind, Oregon campus. www.guidedogs.com - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi, Yeah, and the wait between accessible game releases isn't the only reason blind gamers are looking at mainstream games. For me personally I tend to find the majority of audio games produced for the blind do not hold my personal interest. We have plenty of card games, board games, Space Invader type clones, but nothing really like the games you can get for the XBox or Playstation these days. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with card games, board games, etc but it seams to be the main focus of audio game developers. The main reason I have been working on a full 3D game engine for the blind, fairly similar to mainstream FPS engines, is that I would like to see more accessible games made like Halo, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight, Gear Wars, etc. Those games really hold my interest, and I will sit for hours trying to play the mainstream versions, and if there was an accessible game made like that I'd certainly be spilling my pockets to get it. However, at this point in time I find myself the only blind accessible game developer creating a game engine that can make games on the par with the mainstream games. Orin wrote: Most people are at least trying mainstream games, or attempting to. Wanna know why? Think about this. When in audio games did we have the last big rlease? Rail Racer which, as of now was released a year ago. Heck, I don't even know what the last big release was. Been so long. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well its not an easy business. copywrites, the issue that this is not a full time job, you don't get much from it, etc. And you don't have a team of devs doing things. At 01:34 p.m. 26/09/2008, you wrote: Hi, Yeah, and the wait between accessible game releases isn't the only reason blind gamers are looking at mainstream games. For me personally I tend to find the majority of audio games produced for the blind do not hold my personal interest. We have plenty of card games, board games, Space Invader type clones, but nothing really like the games you can get for the XBox or Playstation these days. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with card games, board games, etc but it seams to be the main focus of audio game developers. The main reason I have been working on a full 3D game engine for the blind, fairly similar to mainstream FPS engines, is that I would like to see more accessible games made like Halo, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight, Gear Wars, etc. Those games really hold my interest, and I will sit for hours trying to play the mainstream versions, and if there was an accessible game made like that I'd certainly be spilling my pockets to get it. However, at this point in time I find myself the only blind accessible game developer creating a game engine that can make games on the par with the mainstream games. Orin wrote: Most people are at least trying mainstream games, or attempting to. Wanna know why? Think about this. When in audio games did we have the last big rlease? Rail Racer which, as of now was released a year ago. Heck, I don't even know what the last big release was. Been so long. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm very glad you are doing this Thomas. You're right of course. There is no comparison between games for the blind and games for sighted folk. I personally just pre-ordered MK VS dc universe yesterday for ps3. can't wait for that game to be released! the voice chatting should be awesome. and there's another thing we're missing. not many games for the blind have the ability to be played online let alone voice chatting. the mainstream games however, have these chat-room environment whereby you can jump in there and challenge people at random, or some of your friends. it's great. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:34 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Mainstream games was sl accessibility contact details Hi, Yeah, and the wait between accessible game releases isn't the only reason blind gamers are looking at mainstream games. For me personally I tend to find the majority of audio games produced for the blind do not hold my personal interest. We have plenty of card games, board games, Space Invader type clones, but nothing really like the games you can get for the XBox or Playstation these days. I'm not saying there is anything wrong with card games, board games, etc but it seams to be the main focus of audio game developers. The main reason I have been working on a full 3D game engine for the blind, fairly similar to mainstream FPS engines, is that I would like to see more accessible games made like Halo, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider, Jedi Knight, Gear Wars, etc. Those games really hold my interest, and I will sit for hours trying to play the mainstream versions, and if there was an accessible game made like that I'd certainly be spilling my pockets to get it. However, at this point in time I find myself the only blind accessible game developer creating a game engine that can make games on the par with the mainstream games. Orin wrote: Most people are at least trying mainstream games, or attempting to. Wanna know why? Think about this. When in audio games did we have the last big rlease? Rail Racer which, as of now was released a year ago. Heck, I don't even know what the last big release was. Been so long. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed. I do think once the flight game from bpc is released we'll have something and also the rpg game, but I've wanted to take advantage of sl and other virtual worlds for years, thuss my willingness to test and give feedback when I can. Mike --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games accessibility
I think this is a general thing so will post here. The simple answer is if there are sources avalible online then yes such games can be made accessible. Ofcause its not as simple as that. In the case of quake, they use other opensource projects (zquake) to base their stuff on. Then there is a question of support, if an engine aint going to last long online even if its easy as shooting a gun or walking down stairs its going to be no good. Then there is the question of the sources being freely avalible, licenced for sale or whatever it all is. In quake 1, agrip do not want to buy anything so its limited to freeware and opensource engines. If you were asking in general, well as long as at least the sources re avalible it will work, and even better than that if all other conditions as above are met. This is for universal access ofcause. If you don't care for say more than one disability to use the game or even normal sighted or abled users to use the game then accessibility becomes more different, as you can make the game usable by only one type of disability, eg the gma engine or other project. In my opinion though the universal access is slightly harder as you will have to search for things in addition to doing the coding, the advantage is that with all the opensource things there is probably something to help you along, maybe most of the way. At 03:03 PM 8/7/2006, you wrote: HI is it possible to make mainstream games such as the quake series and doom series accessible! If so, please send me an e-mail at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, Aaron Pina. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.7/410 - Release Date: 8/5/2006 ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
Re: [Audyssey] Mainstream games accessibility
Hi, Aaron. The only case in point where this has been tried is Audio Quake by Agrip. What they did is get the open source copy of Quake, modified it to be pretty accessible, and then use it to update and modify the regular install of quake. In order to similarly make Quake II, Quake III, Doom, etc accessible one would need a copy of the source code to update them and make them accessible. Aaron wrote: HI is it possible to make mainstream games such as the quake series and doom series accessible! If so, please send me an e-mail at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sincerely, Aaron Pina. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web. ___ Gamers mailing list .. Gamers@audyssey.org To unsubscribe send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can visit http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org to make any subscription changes via the web.
