re vocal on berucracy are same people I wonder where
have they CVSed latelly.
Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are
trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta
onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary.
Please r
Members of the Jakarta Community :
With the privilege of committership in the ASF comes the requirement
that each committer sign a document called the "Committer License
Agreement", or CLA.
The CLA is a legal agreement between you, the committer, and the ASF in
which you state that the contrib
On Dec 21, 2003, at 8:17 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:17:57AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
That's the point of getting as many people as are seriously interested
in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we
discuss
something sensitive (as defin
On Dec 21, 2003, at 9:20 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:09:34PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I think that there is nothing wrong with the PMC having a private list
and discussing things there, especially when we're discussing trying
to
make that group bigger. I
#x27;t really either.
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discuss
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d your vote was separate one.
This is the kind of problems that happen with private lists.
I think the problem isn't the private list, on which we will continue
to do work, such as voting, but follow up.
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El sábado, 20 dici, 2003, a las 14:00 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson
Jr. escribió:
On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
(...)
A very subtle concept is that the ASF doesn't actually "own" the
codebase. The codebase
On Dec 20, 2003, at 5:01 PM, Martin Cooper wrote:
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
I want to share a conversation that I hope sheds some light on what it
means to be on the PMC.
I was talking to a friend yesterday who said
"I fear additional responsibility".
I told h
On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
At 08:31 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Can we have TRACE as a supported level?
Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of
user, there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on
this topic
. Our door is open, you
don't have to knock when you come in.
Can we have TRACE as a supported level?
At 07:23 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 19, 2003, at 3:33 PM, Costin Manolache wrote:
Ted Husted :
[SNIP]
I agreed w/ every word from Costin.
And look what
pe this example helps. It certainly gave me insight into
what this individual was struggling with, and I assume that he isn't
the only one...
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at one of my employers
brought in
along the way to deal with some important decisions when we had no
consensus
at
all:
"The absence of stress is death."
So, here's to having some more stress! :-)
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for us non-lawyers. To that end, as I am not a lawyer, all that I said
above could be completely wrong :)
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ers to ). Every member of the PMC
can vote on any issue - but it is common sense that those who are not
involved with a codebase will abstain ( unless they have a good reason
not to ).
Yes. I'll bring that up in another thread, as it's important, and I
know people are confused.
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mmunity away. On the other hand, I support the
freedom of the log4j community to choose it's own path, and that wins
out with me.
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something sensitive (as defined by the discusser), it doesn't all have
to be on Google.
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Incubator is by
design not intended to be such an entity, but rather a mechanism to
ensure health and accounting of IP and community of incoming codebases
and projects, the protection of the ASF.
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And I couldn't imagine projects leaving jakarta not wanting their own
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an
existing
member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta
able one to us.
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cret... Openness
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And thinking things through isn't either. But sometimes it must be
done.
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On Dec 18, 2003, at 4:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There
is absolutely nothing that says that we cannot have:
Jakarta PMC: responsible for jakarta-site/jakarta-site2
Tomcat PMC
On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:17 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:08 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
Ah now it all makes sense :)
May be this should be included with the CLA and then there would be
no reason to lobby for more members, really.
We want to
karta. I say
we take him!
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on, etc would be
able
to join Jakarta again. Same for xerces-J, xalan-J etc.
I'm -1 to this, but it's not a -1-able thing. Projects are free to
apply for top level status if they want.
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This is nothing I would encourage. There's really no question that
it's legal. But it does then make Jakarta a website, rather than a
community, IMO. I'd rather see the community.
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p - and have representatives report that "all is well" or if not
well, get assistance. That's all.
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venue for
the PMC to organize how it is going to approach the problem, especially
since it's clear that we want to bring this to general@ ASAP.
Ignoring this is convenient to support a position characterizing
Jakarta as not open, but ignores the facts of the matte
ibution) and properly licensed.
This is a subject we'll be discussing more on the general@ list, and I
urge you to pay attention, participate and decide if this is something
you wish to volunteer for.
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ng us.
The ironic thing is that the upshot of what we are discussing is how to
make governance of Jakarta as inclusive as possible :)
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As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an
existing
member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta.
Yep. Do that. Every committer should want to be part of the PMC.
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its
general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree
with
everything espoused in the above email.
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d was cool provided that it addressed 1 + 2. promotion to
sub-project status satisfies 2 and having henning and other turbineers
volunteer to provide oversight satisfies 1.
If you solve 1, then 2 can be demonstrated. No need to do anything but
ensure PMC oversight.
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Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
What do the turbine people want?
If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a
good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS
within turbine, and encourage turbine to be p
y) will have to be decided on the pmc list.
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested
about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about
the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.)
Due to
ures/virus
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JBoss support.
I think that JBoss was invited, and they declined to collaborate.
Hen
On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
(and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...)
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
hat
they can legaly prove and what the lawyers say and then lets some time
pass.
Ethics!
No need to go find montivation that got us here, let's just go back to
before Geroniomo. Time in Las Vegas can be better spent. No need to
play games
(and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...)
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Oh! "resign". I thought you wanted him to use Resin rather than
Tomcat.
geir
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
http://theserversid
g Stein to resign.
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A non city name would be better.
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 05:35 AM, Henri Gomez wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. a écrit :
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Henri Gomez wrote:
Hi to all,
May be some of you knows there is a projet on Sourceforge,
named velocity, which is a file manager for the GNOME 2
Desktop environment
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at is some good prelim info for our community.
It's not much of a burden on people, as once you've done it, you just
know to skip to bottom and go to the mail for new lists...
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On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:33:20 -0400
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Any thoughts?
I think the motivation is to force people to read the first page before
they get to the second.
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Geir Magnusson Jr. said:
...
On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:03 AM, Nathan Bubna wrote:
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2. Getting the documentation up on
http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/tools/.
i have no karma for logging onto that machine to create the directory
), let me know.
geir
All apologies for any ignorant, misguided, or OT questions.
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On 25/6/03 2:49 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one?
Jexl is my own conco
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which allows Sun to
participate. It gets even less traffic.
How you can prove a negative (i.e., that you had access to such
information but never actually took advantage of it), is beyond me.
What should we call this proposed list?
jcp-open?
jabberwocky?
soundofsilence?
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Buffoon! I think you really dropped the ball. There's an obvious
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e wives of deceased Ministers of
Petroleum or something...
I think we need to pay attention to the day of the year here...
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On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 10:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
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I agree th
cial representative to that
EG
has been a failure :-( _MY_ failure...
Well - it's always easy to look back and see what you could have done
differently. Is it too late?
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On 12/3/03 6:53 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 10:58 PM, Craig R. McClanahan wrote:
As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate
in
the imple
27;t have the privilege of speaking with Sun's lawyers?
Just don't return their calls.
I was being flip, I guess. I want to make something clear - I don't
advocate violating anyone's copyright or intellectual property claims,
nor do I think you do.
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facto standard while laughing at Ra. OpenSource is the standard.
Go for it.
-Andy
Thanks for the informative history, BTW.
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model was a good one to standardize around. But you have to ask him...
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Previously:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> Lets talk about what a great thing the portlet specification
committee >has done for the Jetspeed project.
>
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
> Yes, lets do that. (That's 1 out
wish to give
their customers the benefits of inter-vendor portability and test
compliance?
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didn't have coffee
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when only the "privileged few" are
allowed to be involved.
Take it a step further - how many internationally recognized standards
processes will allow a single individual to propose, develop and
deliver a standard? The JCP will...
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platform - the innovation was done
before you tried to make a JSR. For example, Jason Hunter is running a
JSR for JDOM. JDOM was done, and the benefits of the software clear,
before he proposed the JSR
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(That's 1 out of 200 or so, so while there may be a
problem with that specific JSR, we might have to look at a few more
before generalizing.)
-Andy
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On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 06:08 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Note that Sun's JCP NDA agreements burn the
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Jason van Zyl wrote:
I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for
the
chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here.
Excellent.
What's in the essay?
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable
amount of time? How else would they be a committer?
From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta
give
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Costin Manolache wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers
it be quicker just to make all active committers PMC members by
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On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Nick Chalko wrote:
*nod*. +1 on using what Maven currently has, merged with anything
Ruper
has learnt about being outside of Maven
use a dead-component, or aspects of it, when there are two
versions of
a live component in place.
Read what I said...
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because not every
one uses
maven.
Would more people use maven if you 'scratched your itch'? (I really
hate that cliche', but it does apply :)
I would like to see the tools and standards developed be independent
of the
build tool.
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to "brand" themselves with version
and
dependency information.
JJAR in commons sandbox had some of these ideas in there... But can
you build this into maven rather than in parallel?
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
(...)
It's the compromise we/I willingly make to be able to work inside the
process to help shape it the way we/I think it should be shaped. The
only alternative is to try to start another stan
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On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
ex
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have
many
members (and non-members) par
m sure we can set that up.
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On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Might you consider adding committers as they ask for karma, in the
same way that jakarta-site2 is open to all, but we just add them as
they desire to particiapate (making it clear somewhere that it's
apate (making it clear somewhere that it's open to
all...)? The only reason I suggest this is that the interested party
pops up into the active group's awareness of who's involved...
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how to produce
Anthrax, and hides the
secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also
brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does
currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or
velocity running fast...
Then it would be >300x JSP :)
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On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
I do.
I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in
that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the syntax of what you are
generally
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:12 PM, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
--- "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
I adore XSL and don't understand why people think it's
so complicated. To me, an XML syntax for an
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