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I was thinking that a better name might be 'dataaccess' or something to
reflect the fact that the scope isn't just about formal db's.
Not sure. We can keep it as 'db' as a working name
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it once. Let us keep the legend alive! :)
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Great stuff!
+1
How would you like us to submit articles/notes to you?
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was barely used at all (95/96, I can't
remember).
I guess they dropped the parts from Spyglass - wasn't the first IE just a
rebranded spyglass browser?
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:P
- Leo, who figured there was another flamefest when he saw all those
e-mails and is now eagerly waiting for a picture of a crossdressing
jon...
geir goes to find his matches... The flamethrower's pilot went out...
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Struts. Even if we don't convert you to the One True Way ®(sm) :) you will
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Of course, I know Velocity fans won't like
://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
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Why not bring into Jmeter?
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Pier
Yea, let's see if we can move Jetty under Jakarta.
=)
Well it is faster ...
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And trivial to embed :)
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be created (we are all devs here, right?)
Thoughts?
As a 'consumer' who benefitted from the daily Gumps of the codebases
here at Jakarta, +0 from me. (I have no time to help - but I think a
good idea...)
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On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
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Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL?
I do.
I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in
that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the syntax of what you are
generally
Anthrax, and hides the
secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also
brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does
currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or
velocity running fast...
Then it would be 300x JSP :)
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(making it clear somewhere that it's open to
all...)? The only reason I suggest this is that the interested party
pops up into the active group's awareness of who's involved...
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On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Sam Ruby wrote:
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Might you consider adding committers as they ask for karma, in the
same way that jakarta-site2 is open to all, but we just add them as
they desire to particiapate (making it clear somewhere that it's open
.
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We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE
executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have
many
members (and non-members) participating
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(...)
It's the compromise we/I willingly make to be able to work inside the
process to help shape it the way we/I think it should be shaped. The
only alternative is to try to start another standards
to brand themselves with version
and
dependency information.
JJAR in commons sandbox had some of these ideas in there... But can
you build this into maven rather than in parallel?
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because not every
one uses
maven.
Would more people use maven if you 'scratched your itch'? (I really
hate that cliche', but it does apply :)
I would like to see the tools and standards developed be independent
of the
build tool.
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a dead-component, or aspects of it, when there are two
versions of
a live component in place.
sigh Read what I said...
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On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Henri Yandell wrote:
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Nick Chalko wrote:
*nod*. +1 on using what Maven currently has, merged with anything
Ruper
has learnt about being outside of Maven
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
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Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable
amount of time? How else would they be a committer?
From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta
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at a few more
before generalizing.)
-Andy
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Note that Sun's JCP NDA agreements burn the second and third
completely.
Utter nonsense. Are you saying that there's a dearth of innovation
at apache
you tried to make a JSR. For example, Jason Hunter is running a
JSR for JDOM. JDOM was done, and the benefits of the software clear,
before he proposed the JSR
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when only the privileged few are
allowed to be involved.
Take it a step further - how many internationally recognized standards
processes will allow a single individual to propose, develop and
deliver a standard? The JCP will...
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On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 03:05 AM, Santiago Gala wrote:
Previously:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Lets talk about what a great thing the portlet specification
committee has done for the Jetspeed project.
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Yes, lets do that. (That's 1 out of 200 or so, so while
it was because he felt his
model was a good one to standardize around. But you have to ask him...
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Go for it.
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Thanks for the informative history, BTW.
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with Sun's lawyers?
Just don't return their calls.
I was being flip, I guess. I want to make something clear - I don't
advocate violating anyone's copyright or intellectual property claims,
nor do I think you do.
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As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate
in
the implementation of API specs
been a failure :-( _MY_ failure...
Well - it's always easy to look back and see what you could have done
differently. Is it too late?
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I agree that there's been problem with the Servlet EG
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Buffoon! I think you really dropped the ball. There's an obvious
refactoring :
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allows Sun to
participate. It gets even less traffic.
How you can prove a negative (i.e., that you had access to such
information but never actually took advantage of it), is beyond me.
What should we call this proposed list?
jcp-open?
jabberwocky?
soundofsilence?
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On 25/6/03 2:49 Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one?
Jexl is my own concoction to do what
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/07/08/
outsourcing_save_the_world/index.html
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. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html#tomcat)
Any thoughts?
I think the motivation is to force people to read the first page before
they get to the second.
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is some good prelim info for our community.
It's not much of a burden on people, as once you've done it, you just
know to skip to bottom and go to the mail for new lists...
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On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 05:35 AM, Henri Gomez wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. a écrit :
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Henri Gomez wrote:
Hi to all,
May be some of you knows there is a projet on Sourceforge,
named velocity, which is a file manager for the GNOME 2
Desktop environment
(and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...)
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Oh! resign. I thought you wanted him to use Resin rather than
Tomcat.
geir
On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote:
http://theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp
.
Ethics!
No need to go find montivation that got us here, let's just go back to
before Geroniomo. Time in Las Vegas can be better spent. No need to
play games.
.V
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(and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...)
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I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested
about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about
the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.)
Due
to be decided on the pmc list.
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What do the turbine people want?
If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a
good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS
within turbine, and encourage turbine to be promoted
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provided that it addressed 1 + 2. promotion to
sub-project status satisfies 2 and having henning and other turbineers
volunteer to provide oversight satisfies 1.
If you solve 1, then 2 can be demonstrated. No need to do anything but
ensure PMC oversight.
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with
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As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an
existing
member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta.
Yep. Do that. Every committer should want to be part of the PMC.
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The ironic thing is that the upshot of what we are discussing is how to
make governance of Jakarta as inclusive as possible :)
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This is a subject we'll be discussing more on the general@ list, and I
urge you to pay attention, participate and decide if this is something
you wish to volunteer for.
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how it is going to approach the problem, especially
since it's clear that we want to bring this to general@ ASAP.
Ignoring this is convenient to support a position characterizing
Jakarta as not open, but ignores the facts of the matter, IMO.
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This is nothing I would encourage. There's really no question that
it's legal. But it does then make Jakarta a website, rather than a
community, IMO. I'd rather see the community.
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to join Jakarta again. Same for xerces-J, xalan-J etc.
I'm -1 to this, but it's not a -1-able thing. Projects are free to
apply for top level status if they want.
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. I say
we take him!
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things through isn't either. But sometimes it must be
done.
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Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
Henri Yandell wrote:
As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an
existing
member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta
leaving jakarta not wanting their own
website.
geir
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in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we discuss
something sensitive (as defined by the discusser), it doesn't all have
to be on Google.
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, all that I said
above could be completely wrong :)
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with, and I assume that he isn't
the only one...
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door is open, you
don't have to knock when you come in.
public_pestering type=obligatory
Can we have TRACE as a supported level?
/public_pestering
At 07:23 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 19, 2003, at 3:33 PM, Costin Manolache wrote:
Ted Husted :
[SNIP]
I agreed w/ every
On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Santiago Gala wrote:
El sábado, 20 dici, 2003, a las 14:00 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson
Jr. escribió:
On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
(...)
A very subtle concept is that the ASF doesn't actually own the
codebase. The codebase belongs to its
in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we
discuss
something sensitive (as defined by the discusser), it doesn't all have
to be on Google.
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Members of the Jakarta Community :
With the privilege of committership in the ASF comes the requirement
that each committer sign a document called the Committer License
Agreement, or CLA.
The CLA is a legal agreement between you, the committer, and the ASF in
which you state that the
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BIG SNIP
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
... sensitive things should be on the PMC
list, and non-sensitive things should be on the general@ list.
/end Geir
What could be something that is sensteive in an open source community?
This is new direction
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What could be something that is sensteive in an open source
community?
This is new direction. Gray areas should be well exposed. If you are
ashamed of it, don't do open source
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general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree
with
everything espoused in the above email.
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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2003 07:35:45 -0500
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POI?
The views expressed in this email are those of the author and are
almost
definitely not shared by the Apache Software Foundation, its board or
its
general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree
with
everything espoused in the above email.
From: Geir Magnusson Jr
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On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 21:07:26 -0500
(Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were)
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
This is what I proposed some weeks ago. I think you would serve the
community well if you also posted a summary of pros and cons that we
had discussed.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 6:14 PM, Ted Husted wrote
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On Dec 22, 2003, at 7:07 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 5:58 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Dec 22, 2003, at 6:23 PM, Dain Sundstrom wrote:
Larry,
I'm surprised that no one answered this (at least that I saw). From
what I understand, ASF believes that those on PMC have
to a minimum :)
geir
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Oh, and thanks to Noel for the links...
On Dec 23, 2003, at 6:49 AM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here is the clearest description I've found. It's by Roy Fielding, ex
chair and board member of the ASF, and from all appearances, extremely
knowledgeable in these matters. It was posted here
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