Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
re vocal on berucracy are same people I wonder where have they CVSed latelly. Vic, if you've been paying ANY attention, you'd know that what we are trying to do is just the opposite - get *every* committer in Jakarta onto the PMC, *eliminating* this needless boundary. Please r

Sign those CLAs!

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
Members of the Jakarta Community : With the privilege of committership in the ASF comes the requirement that each committer sign a document called the "Committer License Agreement", or CLA. The CLA is a legal agreement between you, the committer, and the ASF in which you state that the contrib

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 8:17 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 07:17:57AM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: That's the point of getting as many people as are seriously interested in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we discuss something sensitive (as defin

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-22 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 21, 2003, at 9:20 PM, Aaron Bannert wrote: On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 09:09:34PM -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I think that there is nothing wrong with the PMC having a private list and discussing things there, especially when we're discussing trying to make that group bigger. I&#

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
#x27;t really either. geir -aaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. (Sorry, but it's part of the package now.) ### - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
riously interested in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we discuss something sensitive (as defined by the discusser), it doesn't all have to be on Google. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 20

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
d your vote was separate one. This is the kind of problems that happen with private lists. I think the problem isn't the private list, on which we will continue to do work, such as voting, but follow up. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 20, 2003, at 11:36 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: El sábado, 20 dici, 2003, a las 14:00 Europe/Madrid, Geir Magnusson Jr. escribió: On Dec 19, 2003, at 2:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote: (...) A very subtle concept is that the ASF doesn't actually "own" the codebase. The codebase

Re: PMC membership : "I fear additional responsibility"

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 20, 2003, at 5:01 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: I want to share a conversation that I hope sheds some light on what it means to be on the PMC. I was talking to a friend yesterday who said "I fear additional responsibility". I told h

Re: TRACE level [WAS] Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 08:31 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Can we have TRACE as a supported level? Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of user, there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on this topic

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. Our door is open, you don't have to knock when you come in. Can we have TRACE as a supported level? At 07:23 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 19, 2003, at 3:33 PM, Costin Manolache wrote: Ted Husted : [SNIP] I agreed w/ every word from Costin. And look what&#

PMC membership : "I fear additional responsibility"

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
pe this example helps. It certainly gave me insight into what this individual was struggling with, and I assume that he isn't the only one... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
at one of my employers brought in along the way to deal with some important decisions when we had no consensus at all: "The absence of stress is death." So, here's to having some more stress! :-) Craig -----

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
al months due to my JCP work. This stuff always is hard for us non-lawyers. To that end, as I am not a lawyer, all that I said above could be completely wrong :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ers to ). Every member of the PMC can vote on any issue - but it is common sense that those who are not involved with a codebase will abstain ( unless they have a good reason not to ). Yes. I'll bring that up in another thread, as it's important, and I know people are confused. gei

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
mmunity away. On the other hand, I support the freedom of the log4j community to choose it's own path, and that wins out with me. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
riously interested in the subject on the PMC. Then all can participate, and if we discuss something sensitive (as defined by the discusser), it doesn't all have to be on Google. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 2

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
Incubator is by design not intended to be such an entity, but rather a mechanism to ensure health and accounting of IP and community of incoming codebases and projects, the protection of the ASF. -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
. And I couldn't imagine projects leaving jakarta not wanting their own website. geir --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 5:39 PM, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
able one to us. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
cret... Openness isn't always convenient. And thinking things through isn't either. But sometimes it must be done. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsub

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
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Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 4:41 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There is absolutely nothing that says that we cannot have: Jakarta PMC: responsible for jakarta-site/jakarta-site2 Tomcat PMC

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:17 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:08 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Ah now it all makes sense :) May be this should be included with the CLA and then there would be no reason to lobby for more members, really. We want to

Re: Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
karta. I say we take him! geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
mands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 2

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
on, etc would be able to join Jakarta again. Same for xerces-J, xalan-J etc. I'm -1 to this, but it's not a -1-able thing. Projects are free to apply for top level status if they want. -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
This is nothing I would encourage. There's really no question that it's legal. But it does then make Jakarta a website, rather than a community, IMO. I'd rather see the community. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
p - and have representatives report that "all is well" or if not well, get assistance. That's all. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
venue for the PMC to organize how it is going to approach the problem, especially since it's clear that we want to bring this to general@ ASAP. Ignoring this is convenient to support a position characterizing Jakarta as not open, but ignores the facts of the matte

Re: PMC mailing list (Re: Just in case you're curious)

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
ibution) and properly licensed. This is a subject we'll be discussing more on the general@ list, and I urge you to pay attention, participate and decide if this is something you wish to volunteer for. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
ng us. The ironic thing is that the upshot of what we are discussing is how to make governance of Jakarta as inclusive as possible :) geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
trong, Tagish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROT

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 11:01 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Yep. Do that. Every committer should want to be part of the PMC. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
its general membership. In fact they probably most definitively disagree with everything espoused in the above email. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnuss

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
d was cool provided that it addressed 1 + 2. promotion to sub-project status satisfies 2 and having henning and other turbineers volunteer to provide oversight satisfies 1. If you solve 1, then 2 can be demonstrated. No need to do anything but ensure PMC oversight. geir -- Geir Ma

Re: Karma for Jakarta main web site

2003-12-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
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Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Nov 30, 2003, at 9:57 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: What do the turbine people want? If we presume the existance of 'turbine people', then that would be a good indication that the right thing to do would be to leave JCS within turbine, and encourage turbine to be p

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-11-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
y) will have to be decided on the pmc list. - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, November 11, 2003, at 01:25 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.) Due to

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
ures/virus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-ma

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
] and JBoss LLC could focus on doing their real job, JBoss support. I think that JBoss was invited, and they declined to collaborate. Hen On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: (and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...) On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
hat they can legaly prove and what the lawyers say and then lets some time pass. Ethics! No need to go find montivation that got us here, let's just go back to before Geroniomo. Time in Las Vegas can be better spent. No need to play games

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
(and I call on Greg Stein to stay put...) On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Oh! "resign". I thought you wanted him to use Resin rather than Tomcat. geir On Monday, November 10, 2003, at 04:05 PM, Vic Cekvenich wrote: http://theserversid

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
g Stein to resign. .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL

Re: "jakarta" name - (?vote?)

2003-08-14 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
s negtaive and has had for about a year now. A non city name would be better. .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: velocity name conflict

2003-07-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 05:35 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. a écrit : On Tuesday, July 29, 2003, at 04:41 AM, Henri Gomez wrote: Hi to all, May be some of you knows there is a projet on Sourceforge, named velocity, which is a file manager for the GNOME 2 Desktop environment

Re: velocity name conflict

2003-07-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: mail2.html -> mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
at is some good prelim info for our community. It's not much of a burden on people, as once you've done it, you just know to skip to bottom and go to the mail for new lists... geir On Sunday, July 20, 2003, at 11:48 AM, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:33:20 -0400 &qu

Re: mail2.html -> mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: mail2.html -> mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
: e.g. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html#tomcat) Any thoughts? I think the motivation is to force people to read the first page before they get to the second. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 20

Read brian's article on salon...

2003-07-08 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
http://www.salon.com/tech/feature/2003/07/08/ outsourcing_save_the_world/index.html -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 203-247-1713(m

Re: karma anyone?

2003-07-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:54 AM, Nathan Bubna wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. said: ... On Friday, July 4, 2003, at 12:03 AM, Nathan Bubna wrote: ... 2. Getting the documentation up on http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/tools/. i have no karma for logging onto that machine to create the directory

Re: karma anyone?

2003-07-03 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
), let me know. geir All apologies for any ignorant, misguided, or OT questions. Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released

2003-06-25 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003, at 06:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 25/6/03 2:49 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday, June 24, 2003, at 06:58 AM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: Someone cares to explain the difference between JEXL and this one? Jexl is my own conco

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Commons EL 1.0 Released

2003-06-24 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
.html Jan Luehe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-43

Re: Sun and the JCP 2.5

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
which allows Sun to participate. It gets even less traffic. How you can prove a negative (i.e., that you had access to such information but never actually took advantage of it), is beyond me. What should we call this proposed list? jcp-open? jabberwocky? soundofsilence? -- Geir Magnuss

Re: Sun and the JCP 2.5

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
stuff - --- Buffoon! I think you really dropped the ball. There's an obvious refactoring : --- - SuperXMailer - <=> - Other stuff - --- geir P.S. Watch out, I'm after your job

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
e wives of deceased Ministers of Petroleum or something... I think we need to pay attention to the day of the year here... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-434-2093(m) [EMAIL

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Tuesday, March 18, 2003, at 03:08 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 18/3/03 11:33 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 10:02 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 17/3/03 1:24 "Hans Bergsten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree th

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
cial representative to that EG has been a failure :-( _MY_ failure... Well - it's always easy to look back and see what you could have done differently. Is it too late? geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc.

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-16 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Sunday, March 16, 2003, at 02:53 PM, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 12/3/03 6:53 "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 10:58 PM, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: As it turns out, there is substantial room for innovation and debate in the imple

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-13 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
27;t have the privilege of speaking with Sun's lawyers? Just don't return their calls. I was being flip, I guess. I want to make something clear - I don't advocate violating anyone's copyright or intellectual property claims, nor do I think you do. geir -- Geir Magnus

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
facto standard while laughing at Ra. OpenSource is the standard. Go for it. -Andy Thanks for the informative history, BTW. geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
Jason. I suspect it was because he felt his model was a good one to standardize around. But you have to ask him... geir -Andy geir - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-12 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 03:05 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: Previously: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > Lets talk about what a great thing the portlet specification committee >has done for the Jetspeed project. > Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: > Yes, lets do that. (That's 1 out

Re: JCP NDA (was: too many similar projects?)

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
wish to give their customers the benefits of inter-vendor portability and test compliance? Rich - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
there reading that, thinking it's just because I didn't have coffee geir Conor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Geir Ma

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
when only the "privileged few" are allowed to be involved. Take it a step further - how many internationally recognized standards processes will allow a single individual to propose, develop and deliver a standard? The JCP will... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
platform - the innovation was done before you tried to make a JSR. For example, Jason Hunter is running a JSR for JDOM. JDOM was done, and the benefits of the software clear, before he proposed the JSR geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
(That's 1 out of 200 or so, so while there may be a problem with that specific JSR, we might have to look at a few more before generalizing.) -Andy Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 06:08 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Note that Sun's JCP NDA agreements burn the

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-11 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Current roster of the Jakarta PMC

2003-03-02 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Sunday, March 2, 2003, at 10:24 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: I ask because I have an essay to present and I would like to run for the chair position as I feel it's time for some changes around here. Excellent. What's in the essay? -- Geir Ma

Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: [RESULT][PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 03:41 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable amount of time? How else would they be a committer? From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta give

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 02:19 PM, Costin Manolache wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Jeffrey Dever wrote: I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to the exclusion of active committers

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
it be quicker just to make all active committers PMC members by default? -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---

Re: Classic

2003-02-10 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Proposal

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
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Re: Clear the air

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:06 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Wednesday, February 5, 2003, at 03:01 PM, Nick Chalko wrote: *nod*. +1 on using what Maven currently has, merged with anything Ruper has learnt about being outside of Maven

Re: Clear the air

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
use a dead-component, or aspects of it, when there are two versions of a live component in place. Read what I said... -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROT

Re: Clear the air

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
because not every one uses maven. Would more people use maven if you 'scratched your itch'? (I really hate that cliche', but it does apply :) I would like to see the tools and standards developed be independent of the build tool. -Original Message----- From: Geir Magnus

Re: Clear the air Re: ATTN: Maven developers [was: primary distri bution location]

2003-02-05 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
to "brand" themselves with version and dependency information. JJAR in commons sandbox had some of these ideas in there... But can you build this into maven rather than in parallel? -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Ad

Re: JCP Process [Was nice ;-)]

2003-01-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 10:30 AM, Santiago Gala wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: (...) It's the compromise we/I willingly make to be able to work inside the process to help shape it the way we/I think it should be shaped. The only alternative is to try to start another stan

Re: nice

2003-01-30 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
ot;Henri Yandell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 9:38 AM Subject: Re: nice On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE ex

Re: nice

2003-01-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Wednesday, January 29, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: We have 'infiltrated' it. The ASF is a member of the J2SE/J2EE executive committee (I am the current representative), and we have many members (and non-members) par

Re: nice

2003-01-29 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
m sure we can set that up. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-956-2604(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [PMC VOTE] Gump subproject

2002-12-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Friday, December 27, 2002, at 08:52 AM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Might you consider adding committers as they ask for karma, in the same way that jakarta-site2 is open to all, but we just add them as they desire to particiapate (making it clear somewhere that it's

Re: [PMC VOTE] Gump subproject

2002-12-27 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
apate (making it clear somewhere that it's open to all...)? The only reason I suggest this is that the interested party pops up into the active group's awareness of who's involved... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-

Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/os.xml OR Karma for jakarta-site2

2002-12-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
karta-site2 for the future -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> For additional commands, e-mail: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?

2002-12-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
how to produce Anthrax, and hides the secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or velocity running fast... Then it would be >300x JSP :) --

Re: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I do. I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the syntax of what you are generally

Re: Jakarta PMC report

2002-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:12 PM, Morgan Delagrange wrote: --- "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I adore XSL and don't understand why people think it's so complicated. To me, an XML syntax for an

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