* Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com schrieb:
Hi,
Apart from PDEPEND, one change needed as well in cups ebuilds:
--with-pdftops pdftops
needs to be replaced with
--with-pdftops=/usr/bin/pdftops
as otherwise it will fail during configure phase (giving absolute path
disables
* Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org schrieb:
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Would it be possible to make cups a PDEPEND in gtk+ or is it really
needed at compile time?
cups is definitely needed at compile-time
Does anyone know what exactly for ?
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:13 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org schrieb:
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Would it be possible to make cups a PDEPEND in gtk+ or is it really
needed at compile time?
cups is
* Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org schrieb:
If it turns out there is no easier way of properly fixing this,
we may have to split poppler-utils out from poppler.
ACK. Having separate packages for public libraries and utils
which just happen to use these libs should be the default case.
* Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org schrieb:
Or maybe the gtk+ maintainers want to split up their package...
Actually, that would be a big step forward ...
cu
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Why are you replying to a thread that has already been resolved? Please stop.
On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Enrico Weigelt weig...@metux.de wrote:
* Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org schrieb:
If it turns out there is no easier way of properly fixing this,
we may have to split
* Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org schrieb:
Does anyone know what exactly for ?
Didnt have the time for an deeper investigation, but if an widget
toolkit requires an printing service, something really strange
is happening, IMHO ... ;-o
Download the gtk+ tarball and take a peek
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
If no, I can split off utils from poppler - with CMake it's effortless.
We just rejoined the split poppler into one package again. So if you
are going to split it up again, you will have some explaining to do to
our users.
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5 March 2010 21:51, Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote:
If no, I can split off utils from poppler - with CMake it's effortless.
We just rejoined the split poppler into one package again. So if you
are going to
El vie, 05-03-2010 a las 22:06 +0100, Ben de Groot escribió:
If no, I can split off utils from poppler - with CMake it's effortless.
We just rejoined the split poppler into one package again. So if you
are going to split it up again, you will have some explaining to do to
our users. I
On 6 March 2010 10:11, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
If no, I can split off utils from poppler - with CMake it's effortless.
We just rejoined the split poppler into one package again. So if you
are going to
On 03/05/2010 08:06 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 5 March 2010 04:18, Graham Murraygra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote:
3. Include one or both of the packages in the stage tarball.
None of the packages involved (gtk+, cups and poppler) is in any
shape or form essential, so you will have a very hard
On 03/06/2010 04:24 AM, Richard Freeman wrote:
On 03/05/2010 08:06 AM, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 5 March 2010 04:18, Graham Murraygra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote:
3. Include one or both of the packages in the stage tarball.
None of the packages involved (gtk+, cups and poppler) is in any
shape or
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Would it be possible to make cups a PDEPEND in gtk+ or is it really
needed at compile time?
cups is definitely needed at compile-time
The same for cups: can we make poppler a PDEPEND? Maciej, did
you get any further with
On Saturday 06 of March 2010 18:05:20 Nirbheek Chauhan wrote:
On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
Would it be possible to make cups a PDEPEND in gtk+ or is it really
needed at compile time?
cups is definitely needed at compile-time
The same for cups:
On Sex, 2010-03-05 at 19:03 +0100, Dawid Węgliński wrote:
On Friday 05 March 2010 17:12:23 Roy Bamford wrote:
That's not a new install as per the handbook. Neither are you a new
user as you have a premade make.conf and world file and some experience
with Gentoo.
Put yourself in
On 5 March 2010 04:18, Graham Murray gra...@gmurray.org.uk wrote:
Is there not a third, maybe obvious, solution to circular dependencies
on initial install?
3. Include one or both of the packages in the stage tarball.
None of the packages involved (gtk+, cups and poppler) is in any
shape or
On 2010.03.04 02:17, Dale wrote:
[snip]
Let just think of it this way. I have to reinstall say from a dead
hard
drive. I have copies of my make.conf and world file. I install my
new
drive, download the tarball and unpack it. I copy over make.conf and
world. Naturally cups will be
On Friday 05 March 2010 17:12:23 Roy Bamford wrote:
That's not a new install as per the handbook. Neither are you a new
user as you have a premade make.conf and world file and some experience
with Gentoo.
Put yourself in the place of a brand new Gentoo user doing his/her
first install.
El vie, 05-03-2010 a las 19:03 +0100, Dawid Węgliński escribió:
On Friday 05 March 2010 17:12:23 Roy Bamford wrote:
That's not a new install as per the handbook. Neither are you a new
user as you have a premade make.conf and world file and some experience
with Gentoo.
Put yourself
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
El vie, 05-03-2010 a las 19:03 +0100, Dawid Węgliński escribió:
On Friday 05 March 2010 17:12:23 Roy Bamford wrote:
That's not a new install as per the handbook. Neither are you a new
user as you have a premade
On Monday 01 of March 2010 22:24:56 Ben de Groot wrote:
For some reason beyond my understanding, we have the cups useflag
enabled by default in profiles. This has started to generate circular
dependencies, at least for desktop profile users (gtk - cups -
poppler - gtk). I propose we no longer
On 5 March 2010 21:51, Maciej Mrozowski reave...@gmail.com wrote:
poppler[utils] are just pdfto*sth converters, and they're most likely pure
runtime depedencies for net-print/cups. Could someone from printing herd
verify?
If so, then it's sufficient to fix cups dependencies (move
2010/3/4 Dawid Węgliński c...@gentoo.org:
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 22:51:10 Ben de Groot wrote:
I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile.
How is that going to fix circular dependency problem? What will you do
On 4 March 2010 08:27, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem zeera...@gmail.com wrote:
Isn't the split of the desktop profile, into KDE and gnome profiles, whilst
leaving a base Desktop profile, exactly meant for the purpose that if you're
not building KDE/Gnome, then you don't need to set the qt flags,
On 4 March 2010 08:08, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Your logic is very thin here. By that same line of reasoning, neither are the
gtk or qt flags, since you don't need 'em if you're building, say, a *box
desktop.
Toolkits are more directly useful to a desktop than printing.
At Wed, 03 Mar 2010 21:19:42 -0600,
Dale wrote:
Now watch some geek find a really simple solution next week. ;-)
I'm not very expirienced at gentoo development, but I just thought of (I
hope) a possible solution to this.
A circular dependency should always be caused by some USE flags
On 03/03/2010 07:45 PM, Mart Raudsepp wrote:
I don't think there was any such problem until poppler maintainers
decided to unsplit poppler into one big packages with USE flags again
instead of the nice split poppler, poppler-glib (that should have been
named poppler-cairo probably instead),
On N, 2010-03-04 at 12:50 +0100, Ben de Groot wrote:
2010/3/4 Dawid Węgliński c...@gentoo.org:
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 22:51:10 Ben de Groot wrote:
I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile.
How is that
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 4 March 2010 08:08, Joshua Saddlernightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Your logic is very thin here. By that same line of reasoning, neither are the
gtk or qt flags, since you don't need 'em if you're building, say, a *box
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 21:01, Dale rdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like your argument is more like a opinion. I built my desktop about
Since people keep talking about not wanting cups disabled for the
desktop profiles, can we at least agree that it should be disabled by
default for the
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 21:01, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds like your argument is more like a opinion. I built my desktop about
Since people keep talking about not wanting cups disabled for the
desktop
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 4 March 2010 21:01, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
Removing the cups USE flag still doesn't fix the problem I pointed out in
another reply. If you unpack the tarball and set the USE line as you
should, the circular
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 5 March 2010 00:27, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
But this issue can be discussed separately from whether cups
should be enabled in profiles.
Actually, it is the problem. You want to remove cups to solve
Hi,
On 2010-03-05 00:00 UTC Dale wrote:
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 5 March 2010 00:27, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
But this issue can be discussed separately from whether cups
should be enabled in profiles.
Actually, it is the problem.
On 03/04/2010 08:57 PM, Patrick Nagel wrote:
Obviously, users who re-install Gentoo the way you do will have less
difficulties resolving a circular dependency than those who are just following
the guide and getting their first Gentoo experience.
I think that the cups issue is probably worth
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
Hi,
On 2010-03-05 00:00 UTC Dale wrote:
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 5 March 2010 00:27, Dalerdalek1...@gmail.com wrote:
But this issue can be discussed separately
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 03/04/2010 08:57 PM, Patrick Nagel wrote:
Obviously, users who re-install Gentoo the way you do will have less
difficulties resolving a circular dependency than those who are just
following
the guide and getting their first
Richard Freeman ri...@gentoo.org writes:
I think that is separate from the circular dependency issue. As long
as we have an unresolved circular dependency I think cups should be
off the list. However, I'd be the first to agree that this is a
short-term solution.
The problem is that we
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
Richard Freemanri...@gentoo.org writes:
I think that is separate from the circular dependency issue. As long
as we have an unresolved circular dependency I think cups should be
off the list. However, I'd be the first to
On Thu, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:19:05PM -0600, Dale wrote:
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
Richard Freemanri...@gentoo.org writes:
I think that is separate from the circular dependency issue. As long
as we have an unresolved circular dependency I
On E, 2010-03-01 at 13:40 -0800, Zac Medico wrote:
On 03/01/2010 01:24 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
For some reason beyond my understanding, we have the cups useflag
enabled by default in profiles. This has started to generate circular
dependencies, at least for desktop profile users (gtk - cups
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:15 AM, Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't think there was any such problem until poppler maintainers
decided to unsplit poppler into one big packages with USE flags again
instead of the nice split poppler, poppler-glib (that should have been
named
On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
while others do, just because maintainers are lazy.
I'm not talking about selectively disabling
On 3 March 2010 19:54, Nirbheek Chauhan nirbh...@gentoo.org wrote:
Also of note is that we've made efforts to split packages to avoid
circular dependencies[1]. So it's really silly to add circular deps by
un-splitting packages.
I think it's silly to split packages for no good reason. And doing
On 03/03/10 15:51, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
while others do, just because maintainers are lazy.
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 03/03/10 15:51, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudseppl...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a
I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. I don't
think cups should be part of the base profile, and as a result
cascading to the desktop profile. And a lot of people seem to
agree. Users can always enable that
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. I don't
think cups should be part of the base profile, and as a result
cascading to the desktop
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 03/03/10 20:17, Dale wrote:
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
I'm not talking about selectively disabling cups. My proposal is
to no longer enable the cups useflag in the base profile. I
On 03/03/2010 09:41 PM, Dale wrote:
So in the situation above, removing cups doesn't help any? The user
would still have to work around the dependency problem. Is there not a
better way to handle this?
Agreed that there should be better ways of handling things.
However, at the very least if
chrome://messenger/locale/messengercompose/composeMsgs.properties:
On 03/03/2010 09:41 PM, Dale wrote:
So in the situation above, removing cups doesn't help any? The user
would still have to work around the dependency problem. Is there not a
better way to handle this?
Agreed that there should
On Wednesday 03 March 2010 22:51:10 Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
while others do, just because
On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
while others do, just because maintainers are lazy.
It is not something that is
On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 11:08:07PM -0800, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On 3 March 2010 19:45, Mart Raudsepp l...@gentoo.org wrote:
I don't believe we should selectively cripple one GUI toolkit with not
having proper printing support out of the box on a desktop profile,
while others do, just
For some reason beyond my understanding, we have the cups useflag
enabled by default in profiles. This has started to generate circular
dependencies, at least for desktop profile users (gtk - cups -
poppler - gtk). I propose we no longer enable the cups useflag.
Cheers,
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo
On 03/01/2010 01:24 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
For some reason beyond my understanding, we have the cups useflag
enabled by default in profiles. This has started to generate circular
dependencies, at least for desktop profile users (gtk - cups -
poppler - gtk). I propose we no longer enable the
On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 22:24, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
For some reason beyond my understanding, we have the cups useflag
enabled by default in profiles.
I'm +1 on disabling it by default.
Cheers,
Dirkjan
: Tue, 2 Mar 2010 00:06:10 +0200
From: ssuomi...@gentoo.org
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] Remove cups from default profile to solve
circular deps
On 03/01/2010 11:24 PM, Ben de Groot wrote:
For some reason beyond my understanding, we have the cups useflag
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