Hi
Show me a wiki that makes it easy to create tables, for example, compare
RadeonProgram from the x.org wiki:
http://www.x.org/wiki/RadeonProgram?action=edit
||-2 style=text-align: center; background-color: #66 '''Native''' ||style=text-align: center; background-color: #66
On 05/04/2010 03:43, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddlernightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Let the renderer take care of the final rendering, as really, tags and markup
are all arbitrary. What should matter is how it appears in your webbrowser,
since that'll vary from the
Am 03.04.2010 15:19, schrieb Ben de Groot:
On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ...
yeah, as long as no one just creates a wiki there won't be one. People
are
On 3 June 2010 22:44, René 'Necoro' Neumann li...@necoro.eu wrote:
Am 03.04.2010 15:19, schrieb Ben de Groot:
On 3 April 2010 11:46, Patrick Lauer patr...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 04/03/10 11:16, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
People are constantly asking for a documentation wiki, but ...
yeah, as long
Am Freitag, den 04.06.2010, 00:49 +0200 schrieb Ben de Groot:
From what I understand it is still being worked on,
but it moves forward very slowly. Maybe someone from the wiki project
could add some more up to date info?
Initially I was one of those who offered to help with the wiki project
Tobias,
On 06/04/10 05:53, Tobias Scherbaum wrote:
I wasn't able to attend that meeting, as i noticed it just a day or
two before. From then on ... I heard just nothing wrt the Wiki
project.
Have you contacted people who took part in the meeting asking for
details and results?
Sebastian
On 10/04/2010 19:04, Vincent Launchbury wrote:
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it.
Just
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
I
On 10/04/2010 05:10, William Hubbs wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowsegeorge.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
I realize I am very late on this
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbs willi...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha
On 10/04/2010 16:25, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbswilli...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 04:40:20PM +0100, George Prowse wrote:
On 10/04/2010 16:25, William Hubbs wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 03:06:57PM +0300, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 07:10, William Hubbswilli...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it.
Just for reference, I tried 15 different sound clips
Vincent Launchbury wrote:
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio captchas from it.
Just for reference, I
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On 10-04-2010 13:35, George Prowse wrote:
On 10/04/2010 05:10, William Hubbs wrote:
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowsegeorge.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha
Hi William,
On 2010-04-10 17:18 UTC William Hubbs wrote:
Is there a better system?
The ideal captcha would not be visual at all. For example, on another
site I am involved with, which is not quite online yet, we are talking
about implementing tseveral levels of captcha such as:
- a
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 02:04:08PM -0400, Vincent Launchbury wrote:
On 04/10/10 11:25, William Hubbs wrote:
Yes, it does. However, I would tend to question how practical their
audio captcha is. Go to www.captcha.net and try the demo a few
times and see how much luck you have solving audio
On Mon, Apr 05, 2010 at 01:19:32AM +0200, Ben de Groot wrote:
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
I realize I am very late on this thread, but please do not go here
unless
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary
barrier.
I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace
GuideXML, just migrate a few use cases where a wiki fits better.
This is
On 4 April 2010 13:01, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
[...]
I am not pushing for our existing documentation to be migrated into a
wiki at this point. But I think that once the place is there, and it
functions well, it would be the obvious next step to do so. As I said
before, the
On 04/04/10 10:29, Arun Raghavan wrote:
We _should_ have a wiki for easy note-taking,
maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes. But our
official documentation should go through sufficient review and
formatting to make sure we maintain the quality of documentation that
we have had
Joshua Saddler dixit (2010-04-04, 00:31):
Show me a wiki that has the flexibility of our handbook, which can be
a huge printer-friendly all-in-one doc, or an as-you-need-it doc with
one page per chapter.
Show me a wiki that has built-in intradoc linking to every paragraph,
chapter,
On 04/04/10 10:48, Antoni Grzymala wrote:
Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
if the wikis i have worked with twiki was the least
fun. it feels strange and it's native syntax sucks
big time, to say the least.
sebastian
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 00:31:52 -0700, Joshua Saddler
nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
No, he's definitely out to kill GuideXML. Just give him time.
At least for official documentation, that should not happen.
(That excludes non-doc parts of the website though imo. GuideXML is a
XML DSL designed
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 10:48:52 +0200, Antoni Grzymala
awa...@chopin.edu.pl wrote:
Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
The Webs concept of TWiki is interesting and the table editing nifty,
but we would need to assess if it matches our goals. I somehow fear that
it outreaches our
On Sun, 04 Apr 2010 01:37:03 +0200, Sebastian Pipping
sp...@gentoo.org wrote:
[...]
Here's another idea:
The German Wikipedia uses a concept called sighted revisions. If
you visit an article without logging in you will see the latest
sighted revision, as an identified user you can also
On 04/04/10 08:31, Joshua Saddler wrote:
lots of stuff about what mediawiki supposedly can't do that is just
completely untrue
GuideXML may be better for the Handbook use case, with its ability to
produce single page and multipage documents, but frankly I think that
for the rest of the
On 4 April 2010 10:47, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 04/04/10 10:29, Arun Raghavan wrote:
We _should_ have a wiki for easy note-taking,
maintaining todo lists, possibly even meeting minutes
I suppose this^^^ is both a good solution and compromise,
both to wiki-fans and the doc
On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala awa...@chopin.edu.pl wrote:
Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to
MediaWiki in terms of features and performance?
Cheers,
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux Qt project lead
Show me a wiki that produces such beautiful code samples (with titles). Show
me a wiki that can produce the following formatting for ebuilds:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/xml-guide.xml#doc_chap2_sect7
. . . or a wiki that makes it super-easy to add all sorts of additional
in-line
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 10:31, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
No, he's definitely out to kill GuideXML. Just give him time.
Why the antagonism? Ben isn't out to kill anything, he has no personal
vendetta against anything. Actually, nothing here is personal, but you
seem offended by
On 04/04/10 15:15, Dror Levin wrote:
At first, I'd wish for things to be migrated from the unofficial wiki
(if the license does not allow for copying, then re-writing it. Our
users will do a lot of it, I'm sure). I'd wish to migrate a lot of
things from the forums, after getting the authors
On Sun, Apr 4, 2010 at 17:33, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote:
I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an
existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into
their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another
site,
On 04/04/10 15:47, Dror Levin wrote:
Creating just another wiki is what's pointless. What I want is to
deprecate all unofficial wikis (there are others besides
gentoo-wiki.com) which were created simply because there never was an
official one and creating chaos, then centralize everything in
On 4 April 2010 09:31, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 03:20:53 +0200
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
GuideXML documents are often experienced as an unnecessary
barrier.
I think you should clearly state again that this is not gonna replace
GuideXML,
Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official?
On 4 April 2010 17:36, dev-ran...@mail.ru wrote:
Hm. Can you all just talk to the admin of gentoo-wiki and make it official?
Been there, done that. He's not interested.
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer
On 4 April 2010 16:33, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote:
I'd like to ask what you think in launching a site that simply clones an
existing site is? Why take all the hard work the editors have put into
their articles on the unofficial wiki and duplicate them on another
site, creating
On 4 April 2010 17:13, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote:
The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
own right.
And that doesn't mean that community wouldn't be interested to work
on a new,
Ben de Groot dixit (2010-04-04, 14:31):
On 4 April 2010 10:48, Antoni Grzymala awa...@chopin.edu.pl wrote:
Has anyone considered the immensely powerful twiki?
No. So tell us why we should. Specifically, how does it compare to
MediaWiki in terms of features and performance?
I don't have
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
As has been pointed out, your table example was unfair, as they don't
do the same thing. I would frown on such inline styling (that's what
stylesheets are for), and there are a number of ways you can markup
tables in
On 04/04/2010 20:33, Joshua Saddler wrote:
On Sun, 4 Apr 2010 17:23:54 +0200
Ben de Grootyng...@gentoo.org wrote:
...
...
GuideXML is only easy if you are used to xml or html. Wikimarkup is only
easy if you are used to it as well. The difference is that with
mediawiki all you have to do
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
own right.
Starting the official wiki by effectively ripping off others work and
attempting to
On 04/04/10 23:45, Zeerak Mustafa Waseem wrote:
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 04:13:19PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
The unofficial wiki may have been created because there wasn't an
official one, but that doesn't mean it's any less of a community in its
own right.
Starting the official wiki by
On 5 April 2010 00:21, AllenJB gentoo-li...@allenjb.me.uk wrote:
My problem is with the attitude of let's start the official wiki by
taking the content of the unofficial wiki, regardless of the wishes of
the active contributors of those articles.
[...]
If those who wish to run an official wiki
On 3 April 2010 20:56, George Prowse george.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are a number of solutions for that.
--
Ben de Groot
Gentoo Linux Qt project lead developer
On Sun, Apr 04, 2010 at 11:21:13PM +0100, AllenJB wrote:
The way I see it, the official wiki has to earn my respect as a
project. The unofficial wiki already has already been through this
process. It's no different whether I'm trying a new piece of software or
a new distro.
It's not the URL
1 - requirements
In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use?
I myself am a big fan of reStructuredText, which is quite simple,
On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what you
want is pretty dumb.
Yes it would be. The idea is that you design consistent styling from
the get-go, so your stylesheets will be ready for those
On 5 April 2010 02:02, Alistair Bush ali_b...@gentoo.org wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use. But may I suggest we
approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved.
If anybody wants to approach them, that is fine by me. I'm probably
not the right person
Alistair Bush wrote:
I'm not overly concerned about what wiki we use. But may I suggest we
approach gentoo-wiki to see whether they would like to be involved.
+1, especially the overly concerned part. Seriously folks. Just start
it. Take whatever you as a person feel comfortable with. Talk
On Mon, 5 Apr 2010 02:08:06 +0200
Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 4 April 2010 21:33, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
Having to write a custom stylesheet just to get one wiki page to do what
you want is pretty dumb.
Yes it would be. The idea is that you design
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On 03-04-2010 13:19, Ben de Groot wrote:
A proposal for a Gentoo WIKI that generated much replies
I have the following general comments about this thread.
* I congratulate everyone involved on this that is so motivated to
create a new option for
On 5 April 2010 04:01, Jorge Manuel B. S. Vicetto
jmbsvice...@gentoo.org wrote:
* I congratulate everyone involved on this that is so motivated to
create a new option for hosting content for the Developers and Community
at large and wish all the best for this project.
Thank you!
* I would
On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
[...]
Really, you're mostly making a case for a graphical XML editor like Beacon,
rather than making a case for a wiki. :)
That would already be a big improvement,
On 5 April 2010 10:34, Arun Raghavan ford_pref...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5 April 2010 08:13, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
On 5 April 2010 03:13, Joshua Saddler nightmo...@gentoo.org wrote:
[...]
You guys should take a while to cool off at this stage.
Never mind me. I missed Ben's last
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
1 - requirements
In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
good to have? What syntax would we prefer to use?
Hi !
I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some other
members also do. I maintain CSS, examples and wrote almost 60% of the stuff.
If you think I could help, please just let me know.
The wiki :
http://gentoo-quebec.org/wiki/index.php/Accueil
Guy Fontaine
On 3 April 2010 16:04, Guy Fontaine guy.fonta...@videotron.qc.ca wrote:
I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some
other members also do. I maintain CSS, examples and wrote almost 60% of the
stuff.
If you think I could help, please just let me know.
I think
Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Dror Levin:
There is currently a wiki for gentoo at gentoo-wiki.com, which is
running MediaWiki, so it would be easiest to transfer the content if
we were to run the same software.
This should happen (if at all) on a per article basis imho.
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:19:20 +0200, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
wrote:
1 - requirements
In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
good to have? What syntax would we prefer to
On 3 April 2010 16:12, Tobias Scherbaum dertobi...@gentoo.org wrote:
Am Samstag, den 03.04.2010, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Dror Levin:
There is currently a wiki for gentoo at gentoo-wiki.com, which is
running MediaWiki, so it would be easiest to transfer the content if
we were to run the same
On 3 April 2010 16:30, Alex Legler a...@gentoo.org wrote:
I propose to use MediaWiki.
As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin should, in my
opinion, be on our shortlist to consider.
I'd be interested in helping out with the backend part, i.e. setting up
and maintaining the Wiki
On 03/04/10 08:40, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
1 - requirements
In order to choose the best possible wiki implementation, we need to
know our requirements. So what features do you think are essential or
good to
areas.
Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 10:04:38 -0400
From: guy.fonta...@videotron.qc.ca
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki
Hi !
I maintain Gentoo-Québec wiki. I'm not the only one as d2_racing and some
other members also do. I
On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org wrote:
2 - maintainers
===
Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and
moderators, people who look out for quality control and take care of
spam removal. So
On 03/04/2010 18:40, AllenJB wrote:
On 03/04/10 14:40, Dror Levin wrote:
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 16:19, Ben de Grootyng...@gentoo.org wrote:
2 - maintainers
===
Who is volunteering for maintaining the wiki? We need editors and
moderators, people who look out for quality control
On Sat, 03 Apr 2010 19:56:53 +0100, George Prowse
george.pro...@gmail.com wrote:
Does mediawiki have captcha ability?
Yes, there are plug-ins provide that functionality. [1]
Let's get a general Wiki concept done before talking about spam
remedy in detail, though. :)
[1]
On Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:19:20 +0200, Ben de Groot yng...@gentoo.org
wrote:
Okay, so it seems a lot of people do want a wiki. So let's see what
we can do to make that happen.
I created a Wiki page (oh, the irony) to track the results of this
thread in the Gentoo eV wiki:
On 04/03/10 16:46, Ben de Groot wrote:
I propose to use MediaWiki.
As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin should, in my
opinion, be on our shortlist to consider.
My vote on MediaWiki, too.
(I do like DokuWiki better for personal things but mediaWiki seems the
best choice for a
On 04/03/10 16:36, Ben de Groot wrote:
This also raises the question of license. Our current documentation
mostly uses the CC-BY-SA license, while the unoffical wiki adds a
non-commercial restriction. By choosing one license over the other
we will make copy-pasting content from the source that
Ben, good to see you driving this process! Thanks!
Sebastian
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 01:37:03 +0200
From: sp...@gentoo.org
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [Gentoo Phoenix] an official Gentoo wiki
On 04/03/10 16:46, Ben de Groot wrote:
I propose to use MediaWiki.
As I said in my other post, MediaWiki and MoinMoin
On 04/04/10 02:11, Sylvain Alain wrote:
I hope that you will not migrate the GuideXML inside the wiki, because
it's so simple to write documentations inside a wiki and right now the
unofficial Gentoo Wiki is clean and simple.
If you want to have registered users and contributors, then you
On 4 April 2010 01:37, Sebastian Pipping sp...@gentoo.org wrote:
Btw was it Fedora having moved from MoinMoin to MediaWiki?
I remember something like that, could be erring though.
You are right. Here are some relevant links a quick Google search
turned up for me:
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