On Wed, 9 Dec 2009 05:50:01 +0100 (CET), Luna wrote:
Can any one give me some help in finding out what I'm doing wrong??
Press Ctrl+Shift+U then type the hex code of the unicode character you'd
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Hi Joao,
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 22:36 -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:
I see what you want and is lacking: the real time display of the
selection's aspect ratio. i don't know why Sven has failed to
identify this is what you were talking about from the very beginning
You may not have noticed,
On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:17:10 -, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Friday 21 December 2007 1:12:41 am JC Dill wrote:
Scott wrote:
I didn't attack you... yet. You, on the other hand, ARE
attacking others here: And why on Earth would you not at
least display the actual ratio as the user
Hi,
On Sat, 2007-12-29 at 16:14 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
Anyway, the answer to my original question is clearly We think the Alt
key is fine as it is and we're not going to fix it. That cripples my
useage of the Gimp and I might well write a patch myself but I think it's
a
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:40:09 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
Looks like despite many attempts to explain it to you, you still did not
understand that you misunderstood how the tool works in GIMP 2.4 and
that you don't need the Alt key in order to use it.
Have it your way;
Thomas Worthington wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:40:09 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
Since I use the click-drag a lot when working on websites, an extra
twiddle with an extra menu is a nuisance and 2.2 remains the better
choice for me especially as I also do a lot of
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:42:54 -, Bob Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Worthington wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:40:09 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
Since I use the click-drag a lot when working on websites, an extra
twiddle with an extra menu is a nuisance and 2.2
Here it is,
http://www.pion.com.br/python/ratio_info.py
now please, help us doing something constructive here.
I see hat a small misundesratnding on teh e-mails had degenerated into
an unneded flamewar.
Thomas,
I see what you want and is lacking: the real time display of the
selection's
Thomas Worthington wrote:
On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:42:54 -, Bob Long [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[..]
a) Do you know the ratio you want to end up with before you start
cropping?
I usually have a target ratio and some leeway. So I might know that
the ideal is, say, .618 but that .6 to .63
Scott wrote:
I didn't attack you... yet. You, on the other hand, ARE attacking
others here: And why on Earth would you not at least display
the actual ratio as the user works? Changing that (as compared
to 2.2 which DOES display the current ratio) was just nuts,
frankly.
What should the
Geoffrey wrote:
I guess you missed the reference to the fact that ALL the work put
into GIMP is done by the developers on their time.
I put in many years as one of the primary list admins for an open source
project's -users list (similar to gimp-user) and -dev list, organizing
and adding to
Von: JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An intelligent, mature, and humble person would quickly apologize
profusely for these mistakes. An arrogant, immature, or unintelligent
person would be quick to splurt out more excuses, or attack yet again.
Let's see which approach you take...
How about
On Friday 21 December 2007, Jeffery Small wrote:
I think if you hold shift before
beginning to drag the mouse, then it should also lock the aspect ratio.
I'd guess this is to make the crop tool's use consistent with the rectangle/
ellipse selection tools, where pressing modifier keys _before_
JC Dill wrote:
Geoffrey wrote:
I guess you missed the reference to the fact that ALL the work put
into GIMP is done by the developers on their time.
I put in many years as one of the primary list admins for an open source
project's -users list (similar to gimp-user) and -dev list,
On Friday 21 December 2007 1:12:41 am JC Dill wrote:
Scott wrote:
I didn't attack you... yet. You, on the other hand, ARE
attacking others here: And why on Earth would you not at
least display the actual ratio as the user works? Changing
that (as compared to 2.2 which DOES display the
Alt+Shift+drag and Alt+Ctrl+ drag seem to work on some Linux system
only, such as Ubuntu.
But it doesn't work on my OpenSuse 10.2 nor on my WinXP.
Unless there is some setting I don't know...
At the top of HTML help pages, you have a Revision date and you can
see that Moving Selection has not
I've just reverted to 2.2
2.4 has too many problems to bother with; the alt key is the final straw.
TW
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 07:42:29 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 21:18 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
It's not a problem either with window managers
On December 19, 2007 01:10:11 pm Daniel Hornung wrote:
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Thomas Worthington wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage in 2.4? I can't
drag selections anymore because it requires Alt and mouse at the same
time, which is a problem on Linux.
Thomas Worthington wrote:
I've just reverted to 2.2
2.4 has too many problems to bother with; the alt key is the final straw.
I've been lurking on this list for several years. I'd LOVE to be able
to use Gimp instead of paying the ever increasing price of Photoshop.
But Gimp is NOT a
JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Worthington wrote:
I've just reverted to 2.2
2.4 has too many problems to bother with; the alt key is the final straw.
I've been lurking on this list for several years. I'd LOVE to be able
to use Gimp instead of paying the ever increasing
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 14:46 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
I've just reverted to 2.2
2.4 has too many problems to bother with; the alt key is the final straw.
Sorry, but if there are problems with 2.4, then we would like to hear
about them. So far the feedback has been very positive.
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:29:12 -, Olivier Lecarme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you be only a little specific about these capricious changes?
And what is this alt-key problem? From the beginning of GIMP, the alt
key has been used for some specific uses, for example in the layer mask.
I'm
Thomas Worthington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:29:12 -, Olivier Lecarme
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could you be only a little specific about these capricious changes?
And what is this alt-key problem? From the beginning of GIMP, the alt
key has been used for some
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 18:26 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
I'm not aware of any interaction with the layer mask which requires Alt
and mouse movement (only click, which isn't a problem). Moving a selected
region is a very common action and now seems impossible under normal Linux
On Thursday 20 December 2007, Robert Smits wrote:
Windows key? What is this mythical key? It is certainly not evident on any
of my keyboards.
It's the one with the flying (i.e. moving) window. But I'm afraid some
malicous company grabbed it as their trade mark without even implementing the
On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:26:12 am Thomas Worthington
wrote:
Moving a selected region is a very common action and
now seems impossible under normal Linux user interfaces. I can
see the application of capricious to that situation. What
was the benefit of changing the default drag action?
Olivier Lecarme wrote:
JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thomas Worthington wrote:
I've just reverted to 2.2
2.4 has too many problems to bother with; the alt key is the final straw.
I've been lurking on this list for several years. I'd LOVE to be able
to use Gimp
On Thursday 20 December 2007, Scott wrote:
Actually, moving a selection in Gimp 2.4 is easier than it was in
2.2. Simply left click within the selected region and drag... no
modifier keys needed and no need to grab the edge of the
selection when doing so. I just did this in 2.4.1 in KDE 3.5.8
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 11:17 -0800, JC Dill wrote:
The behavior and use of the Alt key changed between 2.2 and 2.4, without
providing any way for users to select or configure the older behavior in
Gimp. That is showing disregard for your established user base. You
may have good
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 11:17 -0800, JC Dill wrote:
I'm a typical potential Gimp user. I tried to use it many years ago
(when I first joined this list) but it couldn't meet my needs. I've
remained interested in Gimp, and stayed on the list to lurk and learn.
I had hope that someday
Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 11:17 -0800, JC Dill wrote:
I'm a typical potential Gimp user. I tried to use it many years ago
(when I first joined this list) but it couldn't meet my needs. I've
remained interested in Gimp, and stayed on the list to lurk and learn.
On Thursday 20 December 2007 11:30:40 am Daniel Hornung wrote:
Actually, moving a selection in Gimp 2.4 is easier than it
was in 2.2. Simply left click within the selected region and
drag... no modifier keys needed and no need to grab the edge
of the selection when doing so. I just did
On Thursday 20 December 2007 11:17:17 am JC Dill wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage in
2.4? I can't drag selections anymore because it requires Alt
and mouse at the same time, which is a problem on Linux. How
do I tell Gimp to use another shift-type key for
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 12:37 -0800, JC Dill wrote:
Gimp was (the last time I used it) very poorly documented.
It is very important to document not just new features but also anytime
you change how a feature works - such as this alt-key issue.
I don't think a user manual of more than
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:05:39 -, Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2007 10:26:12 am Thomas Worthington
wrote:
Moving a selected region is a very common action and
now seems impossible under normal Linux user interfaces. I can
see the application of capricious to that
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 20:37:02 -, JC Dill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I hope that documentation is high on your list. This is one of the
weakest parts of most open source projects. Something like a browser
needs little documentation. Something more complex like a mail reader
needs more
Big snip
I've seen this happen several times over my years of lurking on this
list. I didn't call myself a true professional - I stated that I'm a
professional photographer solely to give you context for my comments.
I also lurk and very occasionally make a contribution. You photograph
snip
I recommend Beginning Gimp by Akkana Peck, ISBN 1-59059-587-4
I fully agree.
Norman
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On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 18:08:44 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 14:46 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
I've just reverted to 2.2
2.4 has too many problems to bother with; the alt key is the final
straw.
Sorry, but if there are problems with 2.4, then
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 21:46 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
The alt-key is covered in other posts but the other killer problem for me
in 2.4 is the lack of a ratio display or lock on the crop tool. I need to
crop to a ratio a lot and a display that always reads current is no use.
It
Scott wrote:
On Thursday 20 December 2007 11:17:17 am JC Dill wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage in
2.4? I can't drag selections anymore because it requires Alt
and mouse at the same time, which is a problem on Linux. How
do I tell Gimp to use another
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:00:40 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is actually the point where the 2.4 crop tool is a lot superior
than the one in 2.2. Not only does it not pop up an annoying dialog as
soon as you start to use it. It also features an entry for the aspect
ratio
JC Dill wrote:
Perhaps you haven't been reading very carefully as I've already told you
the #1 stopper - Gimp has no way to record a series of edits and then
apply that same series of edits to other images.
This is what the following enhancement request deals with:
Thomas Worthington wrote:
This discussion isn't going anywhere - you think 2.4 is a big improvement
on 2.2 and I don't, is the bottom line here. I'm sure you have your
reasons and I'm sure you think they're good reasons.
The reasons are described in detail at
On Dec 21, 2007 9:04 AM, Thomas Worthington [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 22:00:40 -, Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That is actually the point where the 2.4 crop tool is a lot superior
than the one in 2.2. Not only does it not pop up an annoying dialog as
soon as
Hi,
On Thu, 2007-12-20 at 22:34 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
What should the fact that you thought that was a sensible way of doing it
make me think about you?
Actually I am responsible for most design choices in the Crop tool UI in
GIMP 2.2. Glad you like it :P
Sven
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
That is actually the point where the 2.4 crop tool is a lot superior
than the one in 2.2. Not only does it not pop up an annoying dialog as
soon as you start to use it. It also features an entry for the aspect
ratio that has a calculator built into it. You
JC Dill wrote:
I can hardly be expected to know about something that hasn't been
incorporated, or has just recently been incorporated but not widely
announced. As I said - I'm a potential Gimp user. I tried it several
years ago, and I am subscribed to this list to stay abreast with the
Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You enter the desired aspect
ratio in the Crop tool options, like 16:9, and it will use that whenever
you press Shift (or lock the ratio using the check button next to the
Jeffery Small writes:
In my 2.4.2 version running on Solaris 10/SPARC under
Geoffrey wrote:
JC Dill wrote:
I can hardly be expected to know about something that hasn't been
incorporated, or has just recently been incorporated but not widely
announced. As I said - I'm a potential Gimp user. I tried it several
years ago, and I am subscribed to this list to stay
On Thursday 20 December 2007 2:20:36 pm JC Dill wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage
in 2.4? I can't drag selections anymore because it
requires Alt and mouse at the same time, which is a
problem on Linux. How do I tell Gimp to use another
shift-type key for
Jeffery Small writes:
In my 2.4.2 version running on Solaris 10/SPARC under gnome, the check-box
does lock the crop aspect ratio. But if the check box is not selected, no
key, including shift, seems to lock the aspect ratio
Akkana Peck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
For me (on Linux), Shift
You are describing what 2.2 does for me. 2.4 simply dragged the selected
region, NOT its contents.
At the top of HTML help pages, you have a Revision date and you can
see that Moving Selection has not been updated yet.
In Gimp 2.4, you move the selection outline.
To move the selection
Hi julien,
On Dec 21, 2007 4:22 PM, julien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are describing what 2.2 does for me. 2.4 simply dragged the selected
region, NOT its contents.
At the top of HTML help pages, you have a Revision date and you can
see that Moving Selection has not been updated yet.
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Thomas Worthington wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage in 2.4? I can't
drag selections anymore because it requires Alt and mouse at the same
time, which is a problem on Linux.
It's a problem in some (most?) window managers, not with
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:10:11 -, Daniel Hornung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Thomas Worthington wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage in 2.4? I can't
drag selections anymore because it requires Alt and mouse at the same
time, which is
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 21:18 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:10:11 -, Daniel Hornung [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On Wednesday 19 December 2007, Thomas Worthington wrote:
Is there any way to restore the Alt key to its old usage in 2.4? I can't
drag selections
Hi,
On Wed, 2007-12-19 at 21:18 +, Thomas Worthington wrote:
It's not a problem either with window managers nor Linux - the alt-mouse
behaviour is standard and well established; it's a problem with the Gimp
(assuming it can't be changed).
Applications such as GIMP used to use this
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