[Gimp-user] hatching filter

2011-09-11 Thread Tom Sparks
I wondering if there is a hatching filter?

 
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Re: [Gimp-user] WaterMark on photos

2011-06-04 Thread Tom Williams
On 06/04/2011 06:14 AM, Ofnuts wrote:
> On 06/04/2011 02:01 AM, MM wrote:
>> I am not an expert, however I like to play with panoramas etcetera.
>> I use Gimp to retouch them once completed and I was looking for the
>> possibility of use a watermark copyright on those photos before
>> publishing them on photobucket.
>>  
>> http://www.shutterfreaks.com/Actions/WatermarkSignatures/SampleDiagonal.jpg
>>  
>> I am looking for something similar to the above sample, is there any
>> one able to help and let me know how I can make it with Gimp
>>  
>
> This is a mere bump map:
>
> - create a text layer with your copyright and make it invisible.
> - select your image layer
> - Filters/Map/Bump map, and use the copyright as the bump map.

I tried this and it didn't work.  Do you make the text layer with the
copyright invisible by hiding the layer (clicking the eye in the layers
dialog) or by reducing the opacity to 0?

When I tried this, the copyright didn't appear at all.

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[Gimp-user] lens apply crashs

2011-03-17 Thread Tom Sparks
I have tryed to use lens apply on three different system and they all crashed
windows XP gimp (unknown version) - going to install newer version when 
internet went down
ubuntu gimp 2.4.5
xubuntu gimp 2.6.7

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Re: [Gimp-user] Help needed looking for a plug-in

2011-03-15 Thread Tom Williams
On 03/15/2011 05:18 PM, Carol Spears wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:10:32AM -0700, Tom Williams wrote:
>> Hi!  Sometime last year, I used a Gimp 2.6 plugin which took an image
>> and put vertical photo sprockets on the left and right sides of the
>> image, with the text "1A" printed on it.  This plugin was similar to the
>> "filmstrip" plugin except the filmstrip plugin puts the photo sprockets
>> on the top and bottom of the image, not on the left and right sides.
>>
> /Filters/Decor/Slide...
>
> http://www.gimpedimenta.org/resources/fu/script-fu-slide-System-alphabetical.shtml
>
> I think this is what and where you are looking for.
>
> carol
Yep, that's it!  THANK YOU!!  :)

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[Gimp-user] Help needed looking for a plug-in

2011-03-15 Thread Tom Williams
Hi!  Sometime last year, I used a Gimp 2.6 plugin which took an image
and put vertical photo sprockets on the left and right sides of the
image, with the text "1A" printed on it.  This plugin was similar to the
"filmstrip" plugin except the filmstrip plugin puts the photo sprockets
on the top and bottom of the image, not on the left and right sides.

I've been looking for this plugin but I don't see it in my Gimp 2.6
installation anymore. 

Any ideas on which plugin I'm trying to describe?  Again, it functions
similar to the "filmstrip" plugin but it applies to only ONE image and
puts the sprockets (the holes in the black edges of the photo, like a
full color negative) on the left and right sides of the image.

Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Printing Problem

2010-11-05 Thread Tom Williams
On 11/05/2010 03:11 PM, redforce wrote:
>> Indeed. Please file a bug-report at Ubuntu. We explicitly released a
>> fixed version (2.6.11) before the Ubuntu release. The Ubuntu maintainers
>> should do their users a favor and update to that release.
> Seems that this has been reported:
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimp/+bug/671229
>
> Maybe Chad can mark this bug as affecting him.
>

I just did as well!  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Printing Problem

2010-11-01 Thread Tom Williams
On 10/31/2010 05:11 PM, geoffrey wrote:
> I just installed gimp with Ubuntu 10.10. Simple problem. Any way I try to 
> print, the printer produces a blank sheet of paper.  HPDeskJetPro prints any 
> other program's output. It seems that the package on Ubuntu gets the 2,6.10
> with the cairo software that doesn't work. Have I answered my own question?
>
> Geoffrey

Gimp 2.6.11 addresses this printing issue:

http://developer.gimp.org/NEWS-2.6

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Re: [Gimp-user] PNG files and IE6

2010-05-27 Thread Tom Williams
On 05/27/2010 02:56 PM, Frank Gore wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 4:38 PM, Tom Williams  wrote:
>   
>> Can't doing this result in some loss of image quality?  Sometimes I'll
>> make PNGs with a drop shadow and transparency and when I convert the
>> image to indexed mode, the drop shadow quality suffers.
>> 
> The problem with indexed colour is that the PNG format is still
> technically limited to 8bit in its colour palette in this mode, just
> like GIF was. So yes, you can lose tons of quality and colour.
>
> Thing is, IE6 is pretty much deprecated at this point anyways. Most
> new templates for things like Joomla, Drupal et al do not include full
> support for IE6 anymore. Now if only people would stop installing old
> versions of Windows XP, we'd all be better for it :)
>   

Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] PNG files and IE6

2010-05-27 Thread Tom Williams
On 05/27/2010 03:03 PM, Branko Vukelic wrote:
> On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 10:38 PM, Tom Williams  wrote:
>   
>> Can't doing this result in some loss of image quality?  Sometimes I'll
>> make PNGs with a drop shadow and transparency and when I convert the
>> image to indexed mode, the drop shadow quality suffers.
>> 
> There are ways to do this correctly and keep the image visually
> similar to the original 24-bit PNG (the one with alpha).
>
> You must know the color of the background on which you'll be putting
> the 8-bit PNG (binary transparency) before you can do so, though. Once
> you know the background color:
>
> 1. Create a layer filled with background color
> 2. Put the layer behind the image with drop shadow
> 3. Flatten the image and add alpha to the only remaining layer
> 4. Use select by color tool and click somewhere where background shows though
> 5. Clear the selection (delete it)
> 6. Now save the result as 8-bit PNG and it should work
>
> (Of course, it'll be clearer when you actually do these steps.)
>
> HTH
>   

Thanks for the info!  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] PNG files and IE6

2010-05-27 Thread Tom Williams
On 05/27/2010 02:00 PM, niski wrote:
> W dniu 2010-05-27 22:38, Tom Williams pisze:
>> On 05/27/2010 12:51 PM, Sebastian Tennant wrote:
>>   
>>> Quoth Frank Gore:
>>>
>>> 
>>>> There's more to it than just the PNG format, and this isn't really
>>>> a Gimp
>>>> thing:
>>>>
>>>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Many thanks to all respondents.
>>>
>>> It turns out there are two kinds of transparency; binary&  alpha
>>> channel.  IE6
>>> can handle binary but not alpha channel.
>>>
>>> Something I read next (I forget what/where it was now) made a link
>>> between
>>> 'binary' and 'indexed' (neither term really meaning anything to me)
>>> so I used
>>> Gimp to creat a new image, chose to fill it with a transparent
>>> background and
>>> then switched to Indexed mode (as opposed to RGB or Greyscale)
>>> before exporting
>>> to PNG, and it worked!
>>>
>>> So, in short, if you want your transparent PNGs to work in IE6,
>>> switch to
>>> indexed mode before you export... it really does seem to be as
>>> simple as that.
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>>  
>> Can't doing this result in some loss of image quality?  Sometimes I'll
>> make PNGs with a drop shadow and transparency and when I convert the
>> image to indexed mode, the drop shadow quality suffers.
>>
>> Peace...
>>
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> Opacity in indexed mode is binary like in GIFs (that is, any pixel is
> either opaque or transparent but not e.g half-transparent)... If you
> really need to have PNGs with indexed opacity in IE6, you have IE6
> filters (they are written in CSS files) at your disposal. If you know
> you won't have any gradients or anything like that under the shadow,
> you can just cut small part with background and shadow over it.
>
> Best regards,
> niski

Thanks for the info!  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] PNG files and IE6

2010-05-27 Thread Tom Williams
On 05/27/2010 01:47 PM, Stefan Maerz wrote:
> On 5/27/2010 3:38 PM, Tom Williams wrote:
>>
>> Can't doing this result in some loss of image quality?  Sometimes I'll
>> make PNGs with a drop shadow and transparency and when I convert the
>> image to indexed mode, the drop shadow quality suffers.
>>
>> Peace...
>>
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> If I am not mistaken, binary transparency does not support partial
> transparency, so drop shadow quality should suffer.
>
> Stefan Maerz

Thanks for the info!  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] PNG files and IE6

2010-05-27 Thread Tom Williams
On 05/27/2010 12:51 PM, Sebastian Tennant wrote:
> Quoth Frank Gore :
>   
>> There's more to it than just the PNG format, and this isn't really a Gimp
>> thing:
>>
>> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bobosola/
>> 
> Many thanks to all respondents.
>
> It turns out there are two kinds of transparency; binary & alpha channel.  IE6
> can handle binary but not alpha channel.
>
> Something I read next (I forget what/where it was now) made a link between
> 'binary' and 'indexed' (neither term really meaning anything to me) so I used
> Gimp to creat a new image, chose to fill it with a transparent background and
> then switched to Indexed mode (as opposed to RGB or Greyscale) before 
> exporting
> to PNG, and it worked!
>
> So, in short, if you want your transparent PNGs to work in IE6, switch to
> indexed mode before you export... it really does seem to be as simple as that.
>
> Sebastian
>   
Can't doing this result in some loss of image quality?  Sometimes I'll
make PNGs with a drop shadow and transparency and when I convert the
image to indexed mode, the drop shadow quality suffers.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Color Management Woes

2010-01-14 Thread Tom Williams
Frank Gore wrote:
> Sorry, those were links to the version of the pictures as displayed by
> Picasa, which has the metadata stripped. The direct download links are
> as follows:
>
> Adobe RGB:
> http://lh6.ggpht.com/_HAZjMzZWrtc/S05qkb7KkYI/BCw/oPJ80XXYH-Y/d/_GOR3359.JPG
>
> sRGB:
> http://lh3.ggpht.com/_HAZjMzZWrtc/S05qk1yxBOI/BC0/5kXGfiIIF7s/d/GORE3360.JPG
>
> There's a LOT of metadata, Pentax fills in more metadata than I thought 
> existed.
>   
When I open the Adobe RGB image in GIMP 2.6.7 on Ubuntu 9.10 Linux
(64-bit), the EXIF browser shows the ColorSpace as:

Internal error (unknown value 65535)


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[Gimp-user] How Lighten Shadow Details In a Selected Area?

2009-12-09 Thread Tom
What went wrong with the below photo when I tried to increase the brightness
on the the darkest portions of the below photo? And what is a good way to
selectively lighten the dark shadow areas of a photo?

What I did
1. Created a 16bit tiff from a Canon CR2 RAW
2. Opened the photo in GIMP.
3. Made a new layer
4. Selected a dark part with the color selection tool which selected all the
darkest parts of the photo as can be seen below.
5. Opened Colors/Brightness-Contrast
6. Increased the Brightness

which yielded the below disastrous results. The selected parts just turned
solid gray. 


http://www.flickr.com/photos/tombrooklyn/4173460922/sizes/o/

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Re: [Gimp-user] ???

2009-11-26 Thread Tom Williams
Ken Warner wrote:
> Thanks, that's good to know.

No problem.  I've installed X on OS X Tiger from the installation DVD
and it worked just fine.  Gimp ran fine as well.  The main "issue" I've
had with running X on Mac OS X is when all X apps have been closed, X
keeps running that has to manually be closed as well.  I understand why
that's the case but it's a minor issue I have with it.  :)

Good luck!

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>
> Tom Williams wrote:
>> Ken Warner wrote:
>>> Do all GIMP for Mac builds need X11?
>>
>> I believe so.  Based on these two pages, X11 is a requirement for Gimp
>> to run on Mac OS X:
>>
>> http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/  (scroll to bottom of page)
>>
>> http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html
>>
>> Peace...
>>
>> Tom
>>
>

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Re: [Gimp-user] ???

2009-11-26 Thread Tom Williams
Ken Warner wrote:
> Do all GIMP for Mac builds need X11?

I believe so.  Based on these two pages, X11 is a requirement for Gimp
to run on Mac OS X:

http://www.gimp.org/macintosh/  (scroll to bottom of page)

http://gimp.lisanet.de/Website/Download.html

Peace...

Tom

>
> Tom Williams wrote:
>> Rob Meurer wrote:
>>> I just got GIMP for Mac and in installing it says no because I need 
>>> X-11.  What is that?
>> The X Window System server for Mac OS X:
>>
>> http://support.apple.com/downloads/X11_for_Mac_OS_X_1_0
>>
>> You should be able to install X from your Mac OS X install DVD.
>>
>> Peace...
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Re: [Gimp-user] ???

2009-11-25 Thread Tom Williams
Rob Meurer wrote:
> I just got GIMP for Mac and in installing it says no because I need  
> X-11.  What is that?
The X Window System server for Mac OS X:

http://support.apple.com/downloads/X11_for_Mac_OS_X_1_0

You should be able to install X from your Mac OS X install DVD.

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[Gimp-user] Help needed with text

2009-10-06 Thread Tom C.
>Tom C. wrote:
>> I am just starting to use GIMP.  I am having trouble getting the effect I
>> want.
>> I have 2 photos one over the other.  I want to put text over the upper
layer
>> and have the lower layer show through.
>> If I put a mask over the upper layer and draw on it with black it does
just
>> what I want. Problem is I want to use text not draw on it.  
>> Every way I try to add text I get a new layer, I seem to get text on the
mask
>> for the upper layer.
>> thanks in advance for any help with this.
>>
>>   
>Text to selection, select top layer with photo (make sure he can be 
>transparent), press button "Del".
>
Dmitry,
Thank you for the reply, but I have had no success with this problem as yet.
In your reply...(make sure he can be 
transparent), how do I do that?
Thanks Tom

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[Gimp-user] Help needed with text

2009-10-04 Thread Tom C.
>>On Sunday 04 October 2009, Tom C. wrote:
>>> I am just starting to use GIMP.  I am having trouble getting the effect
I
>>> want.
>>> I have 2 photos one over the other.  I want to put text over the upper
>>> layer and have the lower layer show through.
>>> If I put a mask over the upper layer and draw on it with black it does
>just
>>> what I want. Problem is I want to use text not draw on it.
>>> Every way I try to add text I get a new layer, I seem to get text on the
>>> mask for the upper layer.
>>> thanks in advance for any help with this.
>>
>>Short hint: Text to selection, change to mask, fill with black(or white, 
>>whatever you want)
>>
>>
>>
>Daniel,
>Thank you for replying.
>I must not be getting your hint.  I add my two layers, add a mask (regular)
>to the top layer. 
>Bring up text and add it.
>Then I select add text to selection
>then I select the mack and fill with black.  I tried FG and BG.
>No luck.
>What am I doing wrong?
>
>Daniel,
I should add that I did get the opposite of what I wanted to work.  All of
the top layer went transparent and the text stayed.  I want the text to go
transparent, so the parts of the underlying picture shows through the text.

>

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[Gimp-user] Help needed with text

2009-10-04 Thread Tom C.
>On Sunday 04 October 2009, Tom C. wrote:
>> I am just starting to use GIMP.  I am having trouble getting the effect I
>> want.
>> I have 2 photos one over the other.  I want to put text over the upper
>> layer and have the lower layer show through.
>> If I put a mask over the upper layer and draw on it with black it does
just
>> what I want. Problem is I want to use text not draw on it.
>> Every way I try to add text I get a new layer, I seem to get text on the
>> mask for the upper layer.
>> thanks in advance for any help with this.
>
>Short hint: Text to selection, change to mask, fill with black(or white, 
>whatever you want)
>
>
>
Daniel,
Thank you for replying.
I must not be getting your hint.  I add my two layers, add a mask (regular)
to the top layer. 
Bring up text and add it.
Then I select add text to selection
then I select the mack and fill with black.  I tried FG and BG.
No luck.
What am I doing wrong?


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[Gimp-user] Help needed with text

2009-10-04 Thread Tom C.
I am just starting to use GIMP.  I am having trouble getting the effect I
want.
I have 2 photos one over the other.  I want to put text over the upper layer
and have the lower layer show through.
If I put a mask over the upper layer and draw on it with black it does just
what I want. Problem is I want to use text not draw on it.  
Every way I try to add text I get a new layer, I seem to get text on the mask
for the upper layer.
thanks in advance for any help with this.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Creating icons

2009-04-13 Thread Tom Williams
DJ wrote:
> Hi,
>
> RP> check this:
> RP> http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Creating_Icons/
> RP> Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia
>
> Thank you.
>
> I was going through the tutorial and tried the antialiasing. I took a
> fuzzy circle brush #5 and changed the opacity to 40. The first time I
> tried it, I clicked and dragged, stopped, and clicked again. That's
> when I got a different shade. But it didn't look like the example in
> the right image. Is the trick, to get the various shades, to click
> often and overlap?
>
> Along this line, I wanted to created a rectangle border w/rounded
> corners. I thought one way might be to: (1) select->round rectangle,
>  (2) select->border, (3) edit->fill with fg color.  The corners are
>  jagged, not antialiased. What did I miss? :-)
>
> Thank you.
>   
I just tried the steps you posted for creating the rounded corners 
rectangle and came up with this:

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/782/roundedborders.png

This is using Gimp 2.6.5 on Ubuntu 8.10 Linux (64-bit).  Are your 
results differernt from mine or does my result show the same, 
non-antialiased corners you're getting?

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[Gimp-user] corrupted menus in 2.6.5

2009-03-12 Thread Tom W.
I'm new to gimp, and have just started version 2.6.5 on a macbook
OS10.4.11(tiger) after downloading X11. When I start working on an image all
goes well. Progressively however the dropdown menus become garbage, showing me
not the options but random bits of other parts of the screen. At the beginning
only the horizontal menus are corrupted, but eventually so are the vertical
ones and those accessed by right-clicking on the image. The secondary menus
turn to garbage as well. Any help would be much appreciated.
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Re: [Gimp-user] How to update GIMP in Ubuntu?

2008-12-28 Thread Tom Williams
Mike B. wrote:
>> Do you probably know if there is an option/possibility to
>> compile Gimp 2.6 for an older CPU architecture (AMD K6 II).
>> I'm having Ubuntu 8.10 installed, but Gimp 2.6 crashed
>> each time I tried some color adjustment/filters. Someone
>> on the list suggested that it might have to do with my
>> outdated CPU. As a temporary solution, I installed Gimp 2.4.7
>> 
> >from a .deb file (as well as 'gimp-data' and 'libgimp').
>   
>> Could it be that my problems are due to an improper installed
>> babl and gegl? I tried to compile 2.6 and got an error message
>> during ./configure that both gegl and babl were missing, although
>> according to Synaptic, they are both installed.
>>
>> TIA,
>>
>> Claus
>>
>> 
>
> Have you found a solution to this? I'm having a similar problem. I upgraded
> to GIMP 2.6.2 on Hardy (8.04), on a K6 II machine. Binaries and libraries were
> obtained from getdeb.net (http://www.getdeb.net/app/Gimp), and installed with
> these directions:
>
> sudo apt-get remove gimp gimp-data
>
> Download and save all five GIMP packages from GetDeb. Double-click on the
> packages to install them, in this order:
>
> 1. libbabl-0.0-0_0.0.22-1~getdeb1_i386.deb
> 2. libgegl-0.0-0_0.0.18-1~getdeb1_i386.deb
> 3. libgimp2.0_2.6.2-1~getdeb1_i386.deb
> 4. gimp-data_2.6.2-1~getdeb1_all.deb
> 5. gimp_2.6.2-1~getdeb1_i386.deb
>
> 2.6.2 seemed to work, until I tried to change brightness or contrast, then it
> crashed. If the Preview box is unchecked, no crash.
>
> Certainly suspicious that we are both having the problem with K6-II...
> Hopefully a developer will look into that!
>
> I installed to another 8.04 machine (not K6, is a Celeron 800, works without
> a problem there)
>
> Note that getdeb.net has 2.6.3 also, but only for Intrepid (8.10).
>
> Thanks!
>
>   
Is building from source an option?

To Claus, make sure you have the gegl-devel and babl-devel packages 
installed, unless you want to build those from source as well.

Peace...

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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu Linux

2008-11-12 Thread Tom Williams
Martin Nordholts wrote:
> Nathan Lane wrote:
>   
>> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm running Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu 8.10 (64-bit) and I've noticed when I
>> load an image, the image window stays behind the toolbox and the
>> layers
>> window all the time.  I didn't see a preference where I could control
>> "always on top" behavior.
>>
>> This makes it challenging for me to work with images.
>>
>> Is there anything I can do about this?
>>
>>
>> Go to Edit > Preferences, select Window Management, change the Hints
>> for the Toolbox and Docks to Normal Window.
>>
>> 
>
> Or use the Tab key to toggle visibility of the Toolbox and Docks on and off.
>
> - Martin
>
>
>   

Thanks for this tip as well.  I prefer having the Toolbox and Docks 
windows displayed all the time, just not on top of the image window all 
the time.  I tried the Tab key toggle and it worked just fine.  Neat.  :)

Thanks!

Peace...

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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu Linux

2008-11-12 Thread Tom Williams
Nathan Lane wrote:
> Go to Edit > Preferences, select Window Management, change the Hints 
> for the Toolbox and Docks to Normal Window.
>
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> I'm running Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu 8.10 (64-bit) and I've noticed when I
> load an image, the image window stays behind the toolbox and the
> layers
> window all the time.  I didn't see a preference where I could control
> "always on top" behavior.
>
> This makes it challenging for me to work with images.
>
>     Is there anything I can do about this?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Peace...
>
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Thanks for the info!  That did the trick!  :)

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[Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu Linux

2008-11-12 Thread Tom Williams
I'm running Gimp 2.6.1 on Ubuntu 8.10 (64-bit) and I've noticed when I 
load an image, the image window stays behind the toolbox and the layers 
window all the time.  I didn't see a preference where I could control 
"always on top" behavior.

This makes it challenging for me to work with images.

Is there anything I can do about this?

Thanks!

Peace...

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[Gimp-user] PSD or XCF?

2007-12-08 Thread Tom Purl
I've recently started manipulating layers with Gimp 2.4, (on Windows)
and it order to be more standards-compliant, I have been saving my
images as PSD files . In general, this has worked pretty well for me,
except that the Gimp crashes a couple of times an hour.  The
operations that cause the Gimp to crash are pretty simple, and usually
cannot be reproduced.

Is this flakiness the result of using the Gimp on Windows or the
result of using PSD files instead of XCF files?

Thanks in advance!

Tom Purl
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Re: [Gimp-user] compiling woes

2007-10-26 Thread Tom Williams
Elwin Estle wrote:
> I am attempting to compile 2.4 on a fresh Slackware 12.0 install.  When I run
> ./configure, I get a message at the end about needing pygtk, but I have pygtk 
> installed
> and the version number is high enough.  Do I need some kind of development 
> headers and if
> so, where do I get them?
>   
Make sure you have pkg-config installed and your PyGTK installation is 
setup with the ".rc" file in the right place.  I believe the Gimp build 
process uses pkg-config to "sniff out" the various versions of the 
support libraries it needs.  You just might need the PyGTK development 
packages installed if your pkg-config installation is good.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Another problem istalling gimp-2.3.19

2007-07-30 Thread Tom Williams
Looks like libssl is missing on your system:

cannot find -lssl
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[4]: *** [libprintbackend-cups.la] Erreur 1


Peace...

Tom

julien wrote:
> Thank you Ulf,
>
> cups-devel, findutils-locate and pin now installed.
> But still a problem with something missing installing gtk:
>
> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../.. -I../../.. -I../../../gtk
> -I../../../gtk -I../../../gdk -I../../../gdk
> -DGTK_PRINT_BACKEND_ENABLE_UNSUPPORTED -pthread -I/usr/include/cairo
> -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12
> -I/opt/gnome/include/glib-2.0 -I/opt/gnome/lib/glib-2.0/include
> -I/opt/gnome/include/pango-1.0 -I/opt/gnome/include/atk-1.0
> -DG_DISABLE_CAST_CHECKS -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -g -O2 -Wall -MT
> gtkcupsutils.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/gtkcupsutils.Tpo -c gtkcupsutils.c 
> -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gtkcupsutils.o
> /bin/sh ../../../libtool --mode=link gcc  -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -g -O2
> -Wall   -o libprintbackend-cups.la -rpath
> /usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/printbackends -avoid-version -module 
> gtkprintbackendcups.lo gtkprintercups.lo gtkcupsutils.lo
> -L/opt/gnome/lib -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lXfixes -latk-1.0
> -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lglib-2.0 -lcairo -lfreetype -lz
> -lfontconfig -lexpat -lglitz -lm -lpng12 -lXrender -lX11 -lpthread -lXau
> -lXdmcp -lm ../../../gtk/libgtk-x11-2.0.la   -lcups -lssl
> -lcrypto -lz -lpthread -lm -lcrypt
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXinerama.la' seems to
> be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXrandr.la' seems to be
> moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXext.la' seems to be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXcursor.la' seems to be
> moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXfixes.la' seems to be
> moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libcairo.la' seems to be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libfreetype.la' seems to
> be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libfontconfig.la' seems to
> be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libglitz.la' seems to be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libpng12.la' seems to be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXrender.la' seems to be
> moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libX11.la' seems to be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXau.la' seems to be moved
> libtool: link: warning:
> `/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../..//libXdmcp.la' seems to be moved
> gcc -shared  .libs/gtkprintbackendcups.o .libs/gtkprintercups.o
> .libs/gtkcupsutils.o  -Wl,--rpath
> -Wl,/home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13/gtk/.libs
> -L/opt/gnome/lib /opt/gnome/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so -L/usr/lib
> /opt/gnome/lib/libpango-1.0.so /usr/lib/libXfixes.so
> /opt/gnome/lib/libatk-1.0.so /opt/gnome/lib/libgobject-2.0.so
> /opt/gnome/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so -ldl /opt/gnome/lib/libglib-2.0.so
> /usr/lib/libcairo.so /usr/lib/libfreetype.so /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so
> -lexpat /usr/lib/libglitz.so /usr/lib/libpng12.so /usr/lib/libXrender.so
> /usr/lib/libX11.so /usr/lib/libXau.so /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so
> ../../../gtk/.libs/libgtk-x11-2.0.so
> -L/home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13/gdk/.libs
> -L/usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../../
> -L/home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13/gdk-pixbuf/.libs -lcups
> -lssl -lcrypto -lz -lpthread -lm -lcrypt  -Wl,-soname
> -Wl,libprintbackend-cups.so -o .libs/libprintbackend-cups.so
> /usr/lib/gcc/i586-suse-linux/4.1.2/../../../../i586-suse-linux/bin/ld:
> cannot find -lssl
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
> make[4]: *** [libprintbackend-cups.la] Erreur 1
> make[4]: quitting directory «
> /home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13/modules/printbackends/cups »
> make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[3]: quitting directory «
> /home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13/modules/printbackends »
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[2]: quitting directory «
> /home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13/modules »
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1
> make[1]: quitting directory « /home/julien/Documents/telechar/gtk+-2.10.13 »
> make: *** [all] Erreur 2
>
> What does these "seems to be moved" mean?
> T

Re: [Gimp-user] cant open psd files

2007-07-23 Thread Tom Davidson

yep, converted to rgb. now i can edit, but i will have to get back to
photoshop to convert back to cmyk.

the separate plug-in is only 0.3 and the dev say he wont be working on it
any more??? can plug-ins blow things up?

-tom

On 7/23/07, Choi, Ji-Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


hi, Tom.

now gimp can load CMYK images.
however can't work on CMYK in gimp, and can't save as CMYK mode, either.

but if you want, you can do that using this plugin

http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/separate.shtml

and refer this http://mr-dust.pe.kr/entry/use-CMYK-in-GIMP


On 7/23/07, Tom Davidson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ahhh, GSR, I think your on to it. I it is a cmyk image. I will convert
to
> rgb tuesday when i am back in the office and see how it goes.
>
> what is the latest on gimp and cmyk?
>
> -tom
>
>
>  On 7/21/07, GSR - FR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (2007-07-21 at 2026.55 -0600):
> > > Every time and on each machine i get "Error: Can't convert PSD mode
to
> GIMP
> > > base imagetype"  any brilliant insights? (im sure there are many,
how
> about
> > > insights this error :D )
> >
> > I would check the image is RGB, Greyscale or Indexed type.
> >
> > GSR
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Re: [Gimp-user] cant open psd files

2007-07-22 Thread Tom Davidson

ahhh, GSR, I think your on to it. I it is a cmyk image. I will convert to
rgb tuesday when i am back in the office and see how it goes.

what is the latest on gimp and cmyk?

-tom

On 7/21/07, GSR - FR <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (2007-07-21 at 2026.55 -0600):
> Every time and on each machine i get "Error: Can't convert PSD mode to
GIMP
> base imagetype"  any brilliant insights? (im sure there are many, how
about
> insights this error :D )

I would check the image is RGB, Greyscale or Indexed type.

GSR

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Re: [Gimp-user] cant open psd files

2007-07-21 Thread Tom Davidson

ok, ill give it ago. i have worked with other psd with v 2.2.13
thanks for the advice.
-tom

On 7/21/07, Choi, Ji-Hui <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi, Tom

my recommand is update your gimp to 2.2.17
someday ago, I worked with psd file using 2.2.17. there was no problem.

if you can't open still, please install 2.3.19 developer version.

== 2.3.19 ==
- support long layer names in PSD files

== 2.3.8 ==
- made PSD load and save plug-ins 64bit clean
- added basic support for layer masks to the PSD save plug-in

== 2.3.0 ==
- improved PSD save plug-in


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[Gimp-user] cant open psd files

2007-07-21 Thread Tom Davidson

Hi:
Im haveing some compatibility issues with gimp and psd files.
The files were created on a OSX Machine with Photoshop - do not know the
version.
I have tried opening them with Debian and Gimp 2.2.13 and openSUSE 10.2 with
Gimp (what ever the version is in the std repo)

I have also gained access to a Windows machine and Photoshop CS3 and have
opened the psds and resaved them ensuring the "maximum compatibility" option
was selected.

Every time and on each machine i get "Error: Can't convert PSD mode to GIMP
base imagetype"  any brilliant insights? (im sure there are many, how about
insights this error :D )

regrads, tom
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[Gimp-user] selections workflow???

2007-07-09 Thread Tom Davidson

Im going to go nuts - i do not understand the gimp work flow with
selections.

When I paste an element on to a layer, i can no access the area of the layer
not covered by the element. In on specific example, I moved the contents of
a layer slightly to the right. This left a small column of transparency on
the left edge. I have tried to select this are to fill or brush but using
several different selection tools, but it appears that the element is
currently selected and I  can not deselect it.

I have been "dealing" with this ALL afternoon and give up.

I am confident that this is may lack of understanding and hoping someone
can show me the light.

Thank you and regards, tom
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[Gimp-user] pygimp doesn't build during Gimp 2.3.15 build

2007-03-11 Thread Tom Williams
ssignment
make[4]: *** [gimpui.c] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/mnt/data/build/gimp-2.3.15/plug-ins/pygimp'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/mnt/data/build/gimp-2.3.15/plug-ins/pygimp'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/mnt/data/build/gimp-2.3.15/plug-ins'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/mnt/data/build/gimp-2.3.15'
make: *** [all] Error 2

real11m29.654s
user6m22.688s
sys 1m36.430s
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/build/gimp-2.3.15$

I searched BugZilla for "pygimp" and didn't find any build related bug 
reports.   Is this possibly or probably an environment issue with my 
Python installation or is it possibly something in the version of pygimp 
that comes with Gimp 2.3.15?

Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] 2.3.14 compile - dbus error

2007-02-08 Thread Tom Williams
Yep, I hit that as well. I'm running Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) and I
"solved" that problem by upgrading dbus to version 1.0.2. That allowed
me to compile Gimp 2.3.14 but it basically broke several other parts of
the Ubuntu distribution.

HAL won't run.
Nautilus won't run.

Until Ubuntu "catches up" with the latest dbus release, I would sit
tight and not chance introducing other issues in your system if you
decide to upgrade dbus manually, as I did.

At least I've got a working Gimp 2.3.14 to play with. :)

Good luck!

Peace...

Tom

Eric P wrote:
> Anybody have any dbus problems compiling 2.3.14?
>
> I get the following:
> ...snip...
> Making all in gui
> make[3]: ディレクトリ `/home/dit/downloads/gimp-2.3.14/app/gui' に入ります
> if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I../.. -I../../app 
> -I../../app -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo 
> -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 
> -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/opt/include -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Gimp-GUI\" 
> -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -DGIMP_DISABLE_DEPRECATED 
> -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
> -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DPANGO_DISABLE_DEPRECATED 
> -DGDK_MULTIHEAD_SAFE -DGTK_MULTIHEAD_SAFE
> -g -O2 -Wall -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wmissing-prototypes 
> -Wmissing-declarations -Winit-self -Wpointer-arith -MT
> color-history.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/color-history.Tpo" -c -o color-history.o 
> color-history.c; \
> then mv -f ".deps/color-history.Tpo" ".deps/color-history.Po"; else 
> rm -f ".deps/color-history.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
> if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I../.. -I../../app 
> -I../../app -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo 
> -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/usr/include/dbus-1.0 
> -I/usr/lib/dbus-1.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -I/opt/include -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"Gimp-GUI\" 
> -pthread -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
> -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include   -DGIMP_DISABLE_DEPRECATED 
> -DG_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGDK_PIXBUF_DISABLE_DEPRECATED
> -DGDK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DGTK_DISABLE_DEPRECATED -DPANGO_DISABLE_DEPRECATED 
> -DGDK_MULTIHEAD_SAFE -DGTK_MULTIHEAD_SAFE
> -g -O2 -Wall -Wdeclaration-after-statement -Wmissing-prototypes 
> -Wmissing-declarations -Winit-self -Wpointer-arith -MT
> gui.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/gui.Tpo" -c -o gui.o gui.c; \
> then mv -f ".deps/gui.Tpo" ".deps/gui.Po"; else rm -f 
> ".deps/gui.Tpo"; exit 1; fi
> In file included from /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus-glib-lowlevel.h:28,
>  from gui.c:27:
> /usr/include/dbus-1.0/dbus/dbus.h:30:2: error: #error "Please define 
> DBUS_API_SUBJECT_TO_CHANGE to acknowledge your
> understanding that D-Bus hasn't reached 1.0 and is subject to protocol and 
> API churn. See the README for a full
> explanation."
> make[3]: *** [gui.o] エラー 1
> make[3]: ディレクトリ `/home/dit/downloads/gimp-2.3.14/app/gui' から出ます
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] エラー 1
> make[2]: ディレクトリ `/home/dit/downloads/gimp-2.3.14/app' から出ます
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] エラー 1
> make[1]: ディレクトリ `/home/dit/downloads/gimp-2.3.14' から出ます
> make: *** [all] エラー 2
>
>
> I'm running Kubuntu 6.10, and I have this version of libdbus installed 
> (w/header files): 0.93-0ubuntu3.1
>
> I tried commenting out the #error line in dbus.h, and that seemed to get past 
> this part.  But then I
> get a slew of errors which all look similar to this:
> Warning: generating old-style constructor for:gimp_color_display_new
> Could not write method GimpColorDisplay.load_state: No ArgType for 
> GimpParasite*
> Could not write method GimpColorDisplay.save_state: No ArgType for 
> GimpParasite*
>
> And it ends with this:
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>   File "/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen/codegen.py", line 1707, in ?
> sys.exit(main(sys.argv))
>   File "/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen/codegen.py", line 1698, in main
> sw.write(py_ssize_t_clean)
>   File "/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen/codegen.py", line 1340, in write
> self.write_classes()
>   File "/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen/codegen.py", line 1437, in write_classes
> instance.write_class()
>   File "/usr/share/pygtk/2.0/codegen/codegen.py", line 283, in write_class
> sub

[Gimp-user] LF: on-line tutorial

2007-02-07 Thread Tom Daly

I know in Photoshop there are methods to chamfer / bevel the edges of a 
jpg (photo) image, also to 'roll over' the edge (think quarter-round 
routered)

Can someone point me to a tutorial (on-line or in help) that I can start 
digging into- I'd rather not clutter this list up with my learning curve :-)
tia

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-21 Thread Tom Williams
Brendan wrote:
> On Monday 18 December 2006 19:52, lists wrote:
>   
>> Carter castor wrote:
>> 
>>> This goes right to the heart of my biggest complaint about GIMP
>>> though: its name.  I don't understand why the developers would put so
>>> much time and hard work into creating a program as professional as
>>> GIMP and then name it after a slang word for a disabled person.  How
>>> do you sell that to a corporation?  How do you market that?  The
>>> people in business suits are going to chose a program named Photoshop
>>> over Gimp 11 times out of 10.
>>>   
>> Oh my God, let's not start this again.  It's an acronym, get over it.
>> 
>
> Oh wait, Geoffrey says "Get over it". Everybody with an opinion or actual 
> relevent facts, forget it. Geoffrey said so.
Well, he's got a valid point.  I don't get why everyone is discussing 
the word "Gimp" from an English language standpoint when Gimp is an 
*acronym*, as I also pointed out earlier on in this discussion.

For example,  "Sarasota County Area Transit" is a name of a transit 
agency and its acronym is rather interesting.  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp vs. Photoshop

2006-12-17 Thread Tom Williams
David Gowers wrote:
> On 12/18/06, *Leon Brooks* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>
> "Anthony Ettinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>
> wrote:
> > You may have a point given 2 software boxes on a shelf,
> > "Photoshop" is more descriptive than "Gimp" - But that
> > isn't how people acquire Gimp.
>
> Today.
>
> What about in 3 years' time?
>
>
> I like the proposed alternate name far better than the current name, 
> being that it is both punny and literal. I believe you'd have to work 
> pretty hard to get such a change accepted, 'cause mainly of name 
> recognition.
Something else everyone needs to remember is Gimp is actually an acronym 
(GNU Image Manipulation Program) vs a "chosen" name.

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Re: [Gimp-user] New to GIMP need help is scripting

2006-12-06 Thread Tom Purl
I would do this with Imagemagick's "convert" program, which isn't
affiliated with the Gimp project.

HTH!

Tom Purl

> Hi all,
>
> Im a newb at GIMP, i just got it working with Postscript today. It
> functions
> great for my needs, but I need to do this. Im reading in Postscript files
> and converting them to Tiff files. Is there a way I can run a script to
> read
> in a directory of postscript files and then to create tiffs from all those
> files?
> TIA
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] New error with 2.3.11 and 2.3.10

2006-11-02 Thread Tom Williams

Stephan Hegel wrote:

Tom Williams wrote:
  

Sure can.  :)

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$


Thanks, Tom. The point is the empty LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable.

IIUC, in this case the loader is not forced to search for libs in
certain directories. Seems it just uses the lib paths compiled in.
And than it works for me too with multiple Gimp installations
in different locations without using a wrapper. Just the PATH must
be adjusted.
  
Yep, that sounds like what's going on as shown by my other response to 
this thread.  :)


Let me know if there are any more desired output.  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] New error with 2.3.11 and 2.3.10

2006-11-02 Thread Tom Williams

Toby Haynes wrote:

Tom Williams wrote:


---START-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/gimp
/usr/bin/gimp: symbolic link to `gimp-2.2'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/gimp-2.2
/usr/bin/gimp-2.2: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), 
for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

-END--

It would be more interesting to see what the dynamic linker is doing 
for the gimp install in /usr/local


i.e.
ldd /usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3

compared with
ldd /usr/bin/gimp

The reason for problems is not normally the base executable - it is 
the libraries that end up being linked to it. Both gimp-2.2 and 
gimp-2.3 have similar library names - if you see the 
/usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3 binary getting linked to the 
/usr/lib/libgimp* libraries, then you have a problem. If they are 
linked to /usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimp*, then you are less likely 
to have problems.
Ok, I've run the two commands above, as requested, except I ran the ldd 
against /usr/bin/gimp-2.2 instead of /usr/bin/gimp.


The results are in the attached text files.  It looks like the right 
library search paths are compiled into the executable.


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libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab139043000)
libgimpmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgimpmodule-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab13922e000)
libgimpcolor-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgimpcolor-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab139332000)
libgimpthumb-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgimpthumb-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab13943c000)
libgimpmath-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgimpmath-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab139545000)
libgimpbase-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgimpbase-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab13964a000)
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x2ab13975a000)
libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x2ab139bee000)
libatk-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so.0 (0x2ab139d86000)
libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ab139ea6000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x2ab139fbf000)
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangocairo-1.0.so.0 
(0x2ab13a14)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x2ab13a249000)
libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x2ab13a35b000)
libXinerama.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXinerama.so.1 (0x2ab13a464000)
libXi.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXi.so.6 (0x2ab13a566000)
libXrandr.so.2 => /usr/lib/libXrandr.so.2 (0x2ab13a66f000)
libXcursor.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXcursor.so.1 (0x2ab13a772000)
libXfixes.so.3 => /usr/lib/libXfixes.so.3 (0x2ab13a87c000)
libcairo.so.2 => /usr/lib/libcairo.so.2 (0x2ab13a982000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x2ab13aaeb000)
libart_lgpl_2.so.2 => /usr/lib/libart_lgpl_2.so.2 (0x2ab13acc9000)
libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpangoft2-1.0.so.0 
(0x2ab13ade1000)
libpango-1.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so.0 (0x2ab13af0f000)
libgobject-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so.0 (0x2ab13b04f000)
libgmodule-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x2ab13b191000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x2ab13b294000)
libglib-2.0.so.0 => /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 (0x2ab13b398000)
libfontconfig.so.1 => /usr/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 (0x2ab13b537000)
libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x2ab13b676000)
libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x2ab13b7ef000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x2ab13b906000)
libXau.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXau.so.6 (0x2ab13bb47000)
libpng12.so.0 => /usr/lib/libpng12.so.0 (0x2ab13bc4a000)
libXdmcp.so.6 => /usr/lib/libXdmcp.so.6 (0x2ab13bd6e000)
librt.so.1 => /lib/librt.so.1 (0x2ab13be73000)
/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x2ab138f26000)
libexpat.so.1 => /usr/lib/libexpat.so.1 (0x2ab13bf7d000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x2ab13c09f000)
libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0 (0x2ae81e9ae000)
libgimpmodule-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpmodule-2.0.so.0 (0x2ae81ebc2000)
libgimpcolor-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpcolor-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ae81ecc6000)
libgimpthumb-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpthumb-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ae81edd1000)
libgimpmath-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpmath-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ae81eeda000)
libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0 => 
/usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpconfig-2.0.so.0 (0x2ae81efdf000)
libgimpbase-2.0.so.0 => /usr/local/gimp-2.3/lib/libgimpbase-2.0.so.0 
(0x2ae81f0ee

Re: [Gimp-user] New error with 2.3.11 and 2.3.10

2006-11-02 Thread Tom Williams

Stephan Hegel wrote:

Tom Williams wrote:
  

For the record folks,  I've got Gimp 2.2.11 installed in /usr (came with
my Linux distro) and Gimp 2.3.12 (used to have 2.3.11) installed in
/usr/local/gimp-2.3 and I'm able to run either version without any
problems, errors, or wrapper scripts (unless gimp-2.3 is a wrapper script).


That's very interesting. Could you please post the output of
echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH
and
file /usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3
?

Thanks.

I'm wondering how this works with multiple gimp libs.

Kind regards,
   Stephan.
  

Sure can.  :)

START-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $LD_LIBRARY_PATH

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3
/usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, 
version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared 
libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, not stripped

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which gimp
/usr/bin/gimp
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gimp --version
GIMP version 2.2.13
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gimp &
[1] 5821
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3 --version
GNU Image Manipulation Program version 2.3.12
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ /usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3 &
[2] 5830
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ This is a development version of GIMP.  Debug messages may 
appear here.


jpeg-load: found EXIF block (15 bytes)
jpeg-load: found image comment (17 bytes)

[1]-  Donegimp
[2]+  Done/usr/local/gimp-2.3/bin/gimp-2.3
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

---END-

I upgraded from Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper) to 6.10 (Edgy) this morning.  I was 
able to run Gimp 2.2.13 (came with Edgy) and 2.3.12  (built from source) 
concurrently.  The jpeg-load messages came from my loading an image in 
Gimp 2.3.12.


For completeness, here is the "file" info on /usr/bin/gimp:

---START-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/gimp
/usr/bin/gimp: symbolic link to `gimp-2.2'
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ file /usr/bin/gimp-2.2
/usr/bin/gimp-2.2: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 
(SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for 
GNU/Linux 2.6.0, stripped

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

-END--

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Re: [Gimp-user] New error with 2.3.11 and 2.3.10

2006-11-01 Thread Tom Williams
For the record folks,  I've got Gimp 2.2.11 installed in /usr (came with 
my Linux distro) and Gimp 2.3.12 (used to have 2.3.11) installed in 
/usr/local/gimp-2.3 and I'm able to run either version without any 
problems, errors, or wrapper scripts (unless gimp-2.3 is a wrapper script).


I'm running on Ubuntu 6.06 Linux but I used to run stable and 
development versions of Gimp built from source on my old Slackware 
8-based machine all the time and without problems.


I don't think the error Mr Culleton received is as big of an issue as it 
appears to be.


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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP used in prisons / secure institutions

2006-10-27 Thread Tom Purl
Ok, so the issue is that open source software might contain some sort of
back door.  I guess you could tell your bosses the following:

* Every bank on earth uses open source software, whether it's openssh,
bind, sendmail, Linux, ant, junit, apache, etc.
* Every fortune 500 company in the world (many of which have *very*
stringent security requirements) also use the above-mentioned open
source software.
* Every large government institution on earth uses this open source
software too.

So yes, while it is possible that some back-door has been written into
an open-source program, it's highly unlikely, especially for large,
well-respected projects like Gimp.

HTH!

Tom Purl

> That is exactly the type of resistance that I am expecting. Certain
> bodies will trust Micorsoft / Adobe etc because they never cause
> problems (ahem!) I think the fear is that the because the source code
> is open it could be tinkered with to allow a backdoor to do...
> something.
>
> Would have thought that I'm not the first person to have met this kind
> of objection and was just wondering if / how others had dealt with it.
> Would be a shame to capitulate and have to use Adobe stuff.
>
> The work that I am planning to do involves running creative
> educational projects using the GIMP.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Simon
>
>
>
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> - Message from [EMAIL PROTECTED] -
>  Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:06:45 -0700
>  From: jim feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: jim feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP used in prisons / secure institutions
>To: Simon Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Cc: gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU
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>
>> Draw a picture of a "shiv"?
>>
>> sorry.
>>
>> I can't imagine GIMP being a problem.  That being said, it's linked to
>> libraries that have occasionally had security issues.  Both closed and
>> open source rendering libraries have at various times suffered from
>> buffer overflows.
>>
>> I tend to see resistance to FOSS solutions with these inane arguments
>> that force you to prove a negative.  "GIMP (or whatever) could start a
>> nuclear war, can you prove it won't?".  I say, then lets make that a
>> testing prerequisite for any app, including the one you want to use.
>>
>> jim
>>
>>
>>
>> Simon Davis wrote:
>>> HI,
>>>
>>> Does anyone have any experience / anecdotal evidence of using the
>>> GIMP in prisons or situations where security was of paramount
>>> importance. Coming accross resistance and would like to be able to
>>> point to precedent.
>>>
>>> Thanks a lot,
>>>
>>> Si
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP used in prisons / secure institutions

2006-10-26 Thread Tom Purl
What are your requirements, other than "work in a prison"?  To what type of
security are you referring?

> HI,
>
> Does anyone have any experience / anecdotal evidence of using the GIMP
> in prisons or situations where security was of paramount importance.
> Coming accross resistance and would like to be able to point to
> precedent.
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Si
>
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Re: [Gimp-user] Best File Format For Scanned Images

2006-10-25 Thread Tom Purl
Thanks Markus and Chris for the advice!

I checked out the Wikipedia page on the JPEG format, and found this
excellent link on image degradation when you edit a jpeg:

* http://www.jmg-galleries.com/articles/jpeg_compression.html

It appears that at the very least, I should first convert my image into
a TIFF before I edit the image.

>> * Fidelity - The higher the better.  I would like the images to be of
>> a high enough quality where they could be easily used to create a
>> clear 8 x 10.  I realize that other factors affect the clearness of a
>> large image (such as film speed and such).  File size isn't a factor.

It looks like both TIFF's and JPEG's will work equally well here, as
long as I convert the image to a different format (like TIFF or XCF)
*before* I edit it.

>> * Compatibility - I would like the freedom of being able to send my
>> images to multiple developing companies and have them all be able to
>> use the image.  What's a good standard format that most "real"
>> developing companies accept?

I'm pretty sure that my local Work Camera will print photos from a TIFF,
and I'm pretty sure that Flickr will do it too.  I just tried uploading
a TIFF to Snapfish, however, and it was rejected.  Thank goodness it's a
trivial task to convert it to a JPEG using ImageMagick.

>> * Bitrot - I would like to use a format that will probably be around
>> for a while.  I know that no format is completely future-proof, but I
>> don't want to convert these images more than once every couple of
>> decades if possible.

Both formats seem equally well-suited in this regard.

> Markus Kamp said:
>
> Using none of the features supported by non-ancient versions of
> Photoshop like i.e. multi layers and omitting any kind of compression
> you should be fine for the forseeable future.

Thanks for the tips!  If I start working with layers or anything like
that, I'll be sure to save the file as a Gimp XCF.

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[Gimp-user] Best File Format For Scanned Images

2006-10-25 Thread Tom Purl
Hi.  I still use a film 35 mm SLR to take most of my "real" pictures,
and then scan them into my computer using Xsane and edit them use Gimp.

I would like to start archiving these images in a format that adheres to
the following requirements:

* Fidelity - The higher the better.  I would like the images to be of a
high enough quality where they could be easily used to create a clear 8
x 10.  I realize that other factors affect the clearness of a large
image (such as film speed and such).  File size isn't a factor.

* Compatibility - I would like the freedom of being able to send my
images to multiple developing companies and have them all be able to use
the image.  What's a good standard format that most "real" developing
companies accept?

* Bitrot - I would like to use a format that will probably be around for
a while.  I know that no format is completely future-proof, but I don't
want to convert these images more than once every couple of decades if
possible.

Thanks in advance for any help!

Tom Purl

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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.4 and incorporation of the EXIF browser plugin

2006-10-15 Thread Tom Williams

Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, 2006-10-15 at 00:05 -0700, Tom Williams wrote:
  
I see that Gimp 2.3.12 has just been released and I was wondering what 
are the chances of getting the EXIF browser plugin incorporated as a 
plugin that's part of the Gimp distribution?



The plan was to finish the metadata plug-in for 2.4. Not sure if Raphael
will get around it in time. Perhaps you might want to help him to bring
the plug-in to a state where it does at least provide enough
functionality to obsolete the exifbrowser plug-in?
  
Ah, I wasn't aware of the metadata plug-in.  The EXIF browser plug-in 
isn't crucial (obviously) but would have been nice.  I'll see if I can 
help out with the metadata plug-in.  :)


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[Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.4 and incorporation of the EXIF browser plugin

2006-10-15 Thread Tom Williams
I see that Gimp 2.3.12 has just been released and I was wondering what 
are the chances of getting the EXIF browser plugin incorporated as a 
plugin that's part of the Gimp distribution?


EXIF browser:
http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=4153

Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] SIOX and Gimp 2.3.10

2006-08-27 Thread Tom Williams

Carol Spears wrote:

On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 10:50:46AM -0700, Tom Williams wrote:
  
Is the SIOX tool still part of Gimp 2.3?  I didn't see the icon for it 
in the toolbox in 2.3.10.




it is still there.

i wrote a little thingie about how clever (in my opinion) the default
layout is for gimp-2.3's toolbox here:
http://carol.gimp.org/GIMP/howto/gui-configure/first-day.php

i am somewhat embarrassed because of the php in the url there.  it did
seem to be the way to solve many of my problems though.

  

Thanks!

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[Gimp-user] SIOX and Gimp 2.3.10

2006-08-27 Thread Tom Williams
Is the SIOX tool still part of Gimp 2.3?  I didn't see the icon for it 
in the toolbox in 2.3.10.


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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.3.10 and "auto" level adjustment

2006-08-27 Thread Tom Williams

Carol Spears wrote:

On Sat, Aug 26, 2006 at 04:57:26PM -0700, Tom Williams wrote:
  
Anywho, when I do an "auto" levels adjustment on the photo, the result 
looks quite a bit different and not as good as the original.  I'm 
wondering if the result is actually correct or not.





i do not know what the auto portion does for this tool.  i assume it
does something like determining the lightest color and it turns that to
white and similar with the darkest color and black.  i assume this
because that is how the little eye dropper thingies work with the levels
dialog.
  

Ok.

Here is the original image:

http://www.bay-online-media.com/tom/gimp/bay-bridge1.jpg

Here is the image after the "auto" level adjustment is performed:

http://www.bay-online-media.com/tom/gimp/bay-bridge1b.jpg



i actually enjoy playing with the levels tool and photographs, so i
endulged myself:
http://carol.gimp.org/files/bay-bridge1-levels.jpg
  

Looks great!  :)
The original image was scaled to 1024x768 resolution at 72 dpi.  The 
original photo was taken at 72 dpi.


Is the resultant image correct?  If so, why does it not look as good as 
the original?




if you look at the different channels in the levels dialog, you can see
what the Auto button did.  it consistently moves the light side to where
the color histogram starts for all three of the color channels. and it
seems that the gray (center) triangle stays in the middle of the other
two triangles.

i have no idea if this works for a majority of photographs or not.

i used the tool just on the "Values" Channel (which is not a real
channel) and i like mine better than your original and also the auto
adjusted image.  to me, the only thing that was wrong with your
photograph was that 'all over gray' haze that scanned photo prints would
really get and digital photographs still seem to get somewhat.
  
Thanks for the detailed explanation.  Obviously, I didn't understand 
what the "auto" button did on the Levels dialog.  I figured it would 
automatically adjust color levels to be "correct", based on the photo 
being edited but clearly I was wrong.  :)


Now I have a better understanding of how to use that Levels dialog so 
I'll do more experimentation with it and other photos.


Thanks!  Yes, you did answer my question as did the other person who 
responded off-list.


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[Gimp-user] Question about Gimp 2.3.10 and "auto" level adjustment

2006-08-26 Thread Tom Williams
Hi!  I took a photo using a Canon PowerShot A75 while driving at approx 
65 mph.  The shot came out ok and I didn't get into an accident.  :)


Anywho, when I do an "auto" levels adjustment on the photo, the result 
looks quite a bit different and not as good as the original.  I'm 
wondering if the result is actually correct or not.


Here is the original image:

http://www.bay-online-media.com/tom/gimp/bay-bridge1.jpg

Here is the image after the "auto" level adjustment is performed:

http://www.bay-online-media.com/tom/gimp/bay-bridge1b.jpg

The original image was scaled to 1024x768 resolution at 72 dpi.  The 
original photo was taken at 72 dpi.


Is the resultant image correct?  If so, why does it not look as good as 
the original?


Thanks!

Peace...

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Re: [Gimp-user] Help needed with photo touch-up using Gimp 2.3.9

2006-06-12 Thread Tom Williams

Stephen Norris wrote:

On Mon, 2006-06-12 at 20:55 -0700, Tom Williams wrote:
  
I have a JPEG that's 846x648 in dimensions taken by a digital camera.  
The image is rather dark and I'm wanting to lighten up it and enhance it 
a bit.  I've used the Levels and Curves filters to adjust colors and 
lighten the image but the results aren't turning out as well as I would 
like.


So, I'm coming to you, the Gimp experts for help.  :)  Would it be best 
to post my image to the mailing list (it's about 58k in size) or should 
I post a link to it on a site where I can host it?


I've been looking at various tutorials but they just don't quite help 
enough.


Thanks!

Peace...

Tom



Put up a link. Do you have a larger version of the image, that's a
pretty small photo.

Stephen
  

Unfortunately, that's the only image I have.

Here is a link:

http://bay-online-media.com/tom/eq02.jpg

Thanks!

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[Gimp-user] Help needed with photo touch-up using Gimp 2.3.9

2006-06-12 Thread Tom Williams
I have a JPEG that's 846x648 in dimensions taken by a digital camera.  
The image is rather dark and I'm wanting to lighten up it and enhance it 
a bit.  I've used the Levels and Curves filters to adjust colors and 
lighten the image but the results aren't turning out as well as I would 
like.


So, I'm coming to you, the Gimp experts for help.  :)  Would it be best 
to post my image to the mailing list (it's about 58k in size) or should 
I post a link to it on a site where I can host it?


I've been looking at various tutorials but they just don't quite help 
enough.


Thanks!

Peace...

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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about Gtk-Perl and Gimp 2

2006-05-08 Thread Tom Williams

Shlomi Fish wrote:

On Saturday 06 May 2006 05:55, Tom Williams wrote:
  

Hi! I'm installing Gimp 2.2.11 on my newly rebuilding Slackware Linux
system and I've installed Gtk+ 2.8.17 but not Gtk 1.2.10.  I tried to
install Gtk-Perl via CPAN and the configuration of Gtk-Perl failed due
to gtk-config not being found.

Will Gtk-Perl be updated to work with GTK+ 2.x?




No, use the CPAN Gtk2 module for that:

http://search.cpan.org/dist/Gtk2/

Regards,

Shlomi Fish
  

Thanks!

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[Gimp-user] Question about Gtk-Perl and Gimp 2

2006-05-05 Thread Tom Williams
Hi! I'm installing Gimp 2.2.11 on my newly rebuilding Slackware Linux 
system and I've installed Gtk+ 2.8.17 but not Gtk 1.2.10.  I tried to 
install Gtk-Perl via CPAN and the configuration of Gtk-Perl failed due 
to gtk-config not being found.


Will Gtk-Perl be updated to work with GTK+ 2.x?

Where is the best place to get this info?

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[Gimp-user] Question about Photo CD (.PCD) file support in Gimp 2.2 or 2.4

2006-05-04 Thread Tom Williams
Hi!  I'm looking for a plugin to add support for Kodak Photo CD (.PCD) 
files and I'm not having any luck.


What are my options for getting Photo CD image support in Gimp 2.2 or 2.4?

Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Window decorations

2006-04-05 Thread Tom . Williams

I know Gimp 2.3.x (eventually becoming Gimp 2.4) supports what you're looking for.  Not sure about Gimp 1.2.x.

Peace...

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Roy Sanderson wrote:

>Hello
>
>I've recently upgraded from RHL 7.3 to Fedora, and hence from Gimp version
>1.2.3 to version 2.2.10  One thing that has puzzled us is that when doing a
>'grab' of a single window (via File->Aquire->Screenshot), there is no
>longer the option of grabbing a window without decorations (i.e. without
>its title bar, control buttons etc.).  Other than selecting, copying and
>pasting from the grabbed window in Gimp to exclude the decorations (which
>is not always accurate and users are complaining) is there a way of getting
>the 'Without Decorations' button to show as in version 1.2.3 on the
>Screenshot command?
>
>Many thanks
>Roy
>
Similar complaint here. No matter how I try to shot just selected area I 
can't. When cursor turns into crosshair I can't select just desired area 
of window, but the whole window or screen.
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Watermark

2006-04-01 Thread Tom Williams
genomega wrote:
>
>>> Hi, I have to add a watermark to my photo  but I don't know how 
>>>
>>> can you tell me what I can do, I have Gimp for linux
>>>   
>>
>>
>> I haven't come across a tutorial written specifically for Gimp yet
>> but here are a couple written for PS but you should be able to adapt
>> them for Gimp or maybe someone on the list would create a Gimp
>> tutorial based on the concept.
>>
>> http://fotofects.com/articles/320/1/Holographic-Watermark
>>
>> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/7893736/
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> This one works well.
> http://registry.gimp.org/plugin?id=2663
Is there is a plugin for Gimp 2?

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Re: [Gimp-user] Time to stick a fork in the GIMP?

2006-03-11 Thread Tom Williams
Michael Schumacher wrote:
> Well, it shows that the author doesn't read the OpenUsability forum. Of
> course, this makes it a suitable article for NewsForged, but without
> proof for the authors claims it is worthless.
>   
I don't dispute this, but I think a more fundamental issue has been
raised in the article, which comes up time and time again on Gimp lists
and in other Gimp criticism.  That issue is: Gimp does not look or
behave like PhotoShop.  As a result, people think it's doomed to fail
simply because it's not PhotoShop.

If folks want to use Pixel, which emulates PhotoShop, by all means let
them.  What I didn't like about the article is the author equates
PhotoShop look/feel with "usability".   Many Gimp users find Gimp *very*
usable and functional given what it can do.  Gimp's functionality is
separate from its UI and I think it's wrong to judge Gimp's
functionality based on its UI (which doesn't necessarily mean the UI is
horrible even though many think it is).

I mentioned before I once got into a Gimp UI debate with someone who
slammed Gimp's UI but also felt PhotoShop's UI was just as bad.  I think
those who claim Gimp has a "bad" UI yet suggest adopting a PhotoShop UI
are still missing the target.  If the idea is to come up with a "good"
UI for Gimp, that is where the focus should be instead of swapping one
arguably bad UI with another arguably bad UI simply because it's well known.

Thanks to wayne for posting the link.  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop

2006-03-01 Thread Tom Williams
Paul Bloch wrote:
> To take an example that would also apply to Gimp, when showing us
> different methods she came across a tool that didn't allow you to
> "preview" the effect and she simply said,"This is pretty useless, you
> can't see what you're doing."  So there is a functional and productive
> criticism.  Designing is a visual process obviously, if I can't see
> the effect, be it transforming or using a filter, it makes my job a
> whole lot harder and consumes more of my time via guessing, undoing,
> and reapplying the filter.  It's like drawing with a blindfold. 
> Anyway to make a long story slightly longer I think part of moving
> forward for Gimp would be to start to beta test with real professional
> designers, the ones who's work you admire.
I think this is a great idea.  Ideally, the pro designers would be able
to focus on the usability of Gimp *outside* of the context of
PhotoShop.  That way, we could minimize bias based on familiarity.  With
all of the talk of wanting Gimp to look/feel like PhotoShop,  there
hasn't been much discussion of PhotoShop's UI being considered "good". 
I had this kind of discussion with someone else who slammed the Gimp UI
and much to my surprise he slammed the PhotoShop UI as being about as
bad.  :)

I think the intent should be to strive for a solid UI that is intuitive,
not necessarily to mimic one that is basically familiar and that's about it.
> I think that Gimp's market potential isn't as an adobe REPLACEMENT,
> not at this point anyway, it is more of a SUBSTITUTE (there is a
> difference).  I think it would serve better as filling the niche for
> those people who don't actually own a legit copy of photoshop.  If
> people discover they don't have to break the law because there is an
> adequate substitute that performs similarly to photoshop people will
> use Gimp in droves.  And to add to that what Gimp can allow for is a
> program that can fully cater to the experience of a user.
The thing is, Gimp serves that purpose today.  I can't comment on the
"droves" part.  :)

People don't have to break the law if they use Gimp.  People don't use
PhotoShop primarily because they like the UI, they use it for what it
can do with digital images.  People learn the PhotoShop UI so they can
do interesting things with those images.  People can do interesting
things with digital images using Gimp, but they do those things in a
different way.  I don't see anything wrong with that.
> I think the main thing is to think creatively about who Gimp's
> audience actually is.
This is a good point and one issue I see is those who are screaming for
a PhotoShop interface feel THEY are Gimp's actual audience when I'm not
even sure what Gimp's audience actually is.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimpshop

2006-03-01 Thread Tom Williams
Ross Brown wrote:
> If Gimp is to become a replacement for Photoshop then, whether it
> appears to be "good practice" or not, it has to accommodate its
> potential users and work as they are used to working (in the short
> term at least). I'm sure there are many people who will argue - and
> possible quite rightly - that the Gimp is not a Photoshop replacement
> but, for many, many people, it is and as more people make the move
> from Photoshop, surely the Gimp's relevancy, exposure and quality can
> only improve.
I think you make a great point but I don't think improvements in Gimp's
quality or relevance is based on or related to PhotoShop user acceptance
at all.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Newbie alert - please be gentle!

2006-03-01 Thread Tom Williams
Ross Brown wrote:
> Afternoon All
>
> A newbie to Gimp but wanted to give it a go as I'd heard so many good
> things about it.
>
> Found a basic problem that could stop me using it - but I'm sure it's
> solvable.
>
> I'm running Gimp through X11 on a Mac (running OSX 10.4.5).
>
> I keep all my work on a remote file server but the Open dialogue in
> Gimp doesn't appear to be able to connect to this mounted drive.
>
> I may be missing a trick - either through Gimp or in OSX - and would
> appreciate any help anybody could give.
>
> Apologies if this problem is solved in an FAQ, I've had a look but
> can't see anything relevant.
Sorry, newbies are not allowed here.

:)

Just kidding..  :)

Is the problem the mounted drive doesn't appear in the Open dialog or
that it does appear and you can't open it?

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Re: [Gimp-user] blue + yellow = green

2006-02-28 Thread Tom Williams
Bram Kuijper wrote:
> Sure? Again, doesn't it say something about general usability of
> GIMP's GUI? A good GUI is characterized that it is 'understandable' by
> the great majority of users, inexperienced, experienced using other
> software platforms and experienced using GIMP. I work with GIMP daily
> and I try to convince other people that GIMP is a good choice. But I
> see also that all these users have larger difficulties to learn GIMP
> compared to other graphical software, because they have been already
> 'poisoned' with general Windows GUIs (eg., GUIs in which menu's are
> always within the program interface and not separate 'windows', a
> standard set of shortcut keys, file menu handlers that are different
> from the GTK ones). If GIMP developers just ignore that, it sounds to
> me as if they just deliberately confine their software to a particular
> (and small) group of people. That is a big pity, because I believe
> that the more people use GIMP, the better the program becomes and the
> bigger the chances are that such OSS software stays on and remains in
> development.
(snip)
> Nope, I think he/she wants GIMP to be "more usable" for a wider range
> of users than it is now. It just happens that a large amount of users
> that think of switching to GIMP are PS users. Geez, how strange that
> people then propose improvements of the GIMP GUI that are inspired by
> PS's GUI? Are those wishes just totally ignored by people that claim
> to have a 'better' idea how software has to work?
I disagree with you on these two points.  A friend of mine fairly
recently started using Gimp for her own photo manipulation (resizing and
other basic functions).  She's running Windows XP and Windows is *all*
she knows (meaning she has no Mac or *nix experience whatsoever).   I'm
not sure if she had seen PhotoShop or not before but Gimp was her first
"hands-on" experience with any tool of it's nature.  She obviously
didn't know what any of the tools or functions were simply because she
had never used a tool like Gimp before.

Given that, she's gotten her head wrapped around the tool such that she
understands how to use some of the functions it performs and can
manipulate her images mostly as she wants (she's still learning how to
do things, as am I).  The point being, she had definitely been
"poisoned" by the general Windows UI and that wasn't a factor in her
Gimp experience.  Gimp looking exactly like PhotoShop or even MS Word
didn't change the fact she had no idea what a layer was or what a "crop
tool" was.  This brings me to the second point.

PS users wanting Gimp to look and affectively act like PS simply want
Gimp to be a "free" PS, so they can use it legally without having to pay
a boatload of money or without having to pirate a copy.  PS users are
very familiar with the PS UI (which is as overwhelming and user
UN-friendly as people can argue Gimp is) and aren't willing or aren't
capable of opening their minds to a different way of doing things.  This
is like a Windows user who complains about not being able to make Mac OS
X or Linux behave just like Windows or the Windows user who can't
differentiate between a word processor and "Word" (in this case, they
think ALL word processors are Word and assume everyone with a computer
has Word).

I think those who focus their expertise on the functions being performed
will have an easier time using ANY kind of PS-like app since it will be
a matter of finding or learning how any given app performs those
functions.  Those who focus their expertise on learning the UI get
"programmed" to the point of not having any chance of being productive
if the UI they are used to isn't around.

By virtue of the fact Gimp was chosen as the basis of Gimpshop, that
proves Gimp is very functional and does work.  The problem for PS users
is they simply can't let go of the PS UI and Gimpshop was born.

Now, I believe (could be mistaken) it's been the position of the Gimp
developers that Gimp is not intended to be PhotoShop so why change the
entire UI to look/act like PhotoShop?  It's not like attracting 50,000
PhotoShop users will result in tremendous donations to the Gimp
development effort or anything.  Of course, it would make those
PhotoShop users very happy since they get to almost have their cake and
eat it too. :)

I think a PhotoShop compatibility mode, that is integrated in Gimp,
would be a good compromise.  That way people still use Gimp first and
foremost and can simply have it look like PS instead of trying to change
Gimp into something it's not necessarily wanting or trying to be.

My $0.03...  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] Compiling 2.3.7 under FC4, configure can't find gtk2+2.8.12

2006-02-25 Thread Tom Williams
Colin Brace wrote:
> On 2/25/06, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   
>> set PKG_CONFIG_PATH so that pkg-config picks up glib and gtk+ from the
>> right locations.
>> 
>
> Ah, right, I changed that to /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ to get glib to
> compile. Ok, so I now change it back to /usr/lib/pkgconfig/. Still no
> go. What am I missing?
>   
Ok, in your config.log I found this:

---START

configure:26767: checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.8.8
configure:26882: gcc -o conftest -g -O2 -Wall
-I/usr/local/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/local/lib/gtk-2.0/include
-I/usr/local//include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/local/include/cairo
-I/usr/local/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0
-I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include conftest.c -L/usr/local/lib
-L/usr/local//lib -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0
-lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0
-ldl -lglib-2.0>&5
configure:26885: $? = 0
configure:26887: ./conftest
./conftest: error while loading shared libraries:
libpangocairo-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or
directory
configure:26890: $? = 127
configure: program exited with status 127
configure: failed program was:


-END-

So, you need to fix your pango installation.  Is suggest installing
Cairo first:

http://cairographics.org/

and then pango:

ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/v2.8/

and then try building Gimp 2.3.7.  Why libpangocairo is being linked in,
I don't know but that's the problem.  That is why the test program
didn't run.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Compiling 2.3.7 under FC4, configure can't find gtk2+2.8.12

2006-02-25 Thread Tom Williams
Colin Brace wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I hate having to bother this list with tiresome compile problems, but here 
> goes:
>
> Earlier this week, I installed 2.3.7 under Ubuntu (Breezy). At the
> moment, I am trying to do the same under Fedora Core 4, but I am
> having less success. In particular, I keep getting this error message
> from configure:
>
> checking for GTK+ - version >= 2.8.8... no
> *** Could not run GTK+ test program, checking why...
> *** The test program compiled, but did not run. This usually means
> *** that the run-time linker is not finding GTK+ or finding the wrong
> *** version of GTK+. If it is not finding GTK+, you'll need to set your
> *** LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable, or edit /etc/ld.so.conf to point
> *** to the installed location  Also, make sure you have run ldconfig if that
> *** is required on your system
> ***
> *** If you have an old version installed, it is best to remove it, although
> *** you may also be able to get things to work by modifying LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> configure: error: Test for GTK+ failed. See the file 'INSTALL' for help.
>   
Run "pkg-config --modversion gtk+-2.0" to see what version of GTK+ is
registered with pkg-config.  I think the Gimp configure script uses
pkg-config to get the locations of GLIB and GTK+ includes and libs.

If the version of GTK+ registered to pkg-config doesn't match what you
know is installed, you can fix that problem.

If you like, e-mail me your config.log and I can possibly let you know
what you need to fix.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Printing success stories?

2006-02-19 Thread Tom Williams
Paul Waldo wrote:
> On Sunday 19 February 2006 2:00 pm, Tom Williams wrote:
>   
>> What version of Gimp-Print are you running:
>>
>> http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/index.php3
>>
>> Also, are you printing through CUPS?
>>
>> When I have ink in my printer, I can print just fine on my Epson Stylus
>> Photo 700.
>>
>> Peace...
>>
>> Tom
>> 
> Hi Tom,
>
> Running:
> Kubuntu Breezy
> gimp 2.2.8
> gimp-print 4.2.7
> Epson Stylus Photo 1280
> Cups 1.1.23
>   
Thanks for the info.  I found THIS page on your printer at the
LinuxPrinting.org site:

http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_Photo_1280

See if it contains some driver info that might be of help to you.  Maybe
switching to a different driver might help with your printing problem. 
There is also a forum there for Epson printers that might be of help:

http://www.linuxprinting.org/forums.cgi?group=linuxprinting.epson.general

That's about all I can do to help you out.  :)

Good luck!

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Re: [Gimp-user] Printing success stories?

2006-02-19 Thread Tom Williams
Paul Waldo wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am evaluating gimp on linux as a replacement for Photoshop on Windows.  I 
> am 
> currently using Photoshop/Windows primarily for the color management 
> capabilities.  I have tried printing from gimp to my Epson Stylus Photo 1280, 
> with horrible results--the colors are off by a significant amount.  System 
> specifics below.  Does anyone out there use gimp for serious printing?  If 
> so, please let me know your workflow and how you achieve color fidelity.  
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Paul
>
> Running:
> Kubuntu Breezy
> gimp 2.2.8
> gimp-print 4.2.7
> Epson Stylus Photo 1280
>   
What version of Gimp-Print are you running:

http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/index.php3

Also, are you printing through CUPS?

When I have ink in my printer, I can print just fine on my Epson Stylus
Photo 700.

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Re: [Gimp-user] 2.3.6 on Slack current

2006-02-15 Thread Tom . Williams
If your system has Python installed, be sure to build Gimp with
"--enable-python" so you can pick up the Python-specific filters as well.
:)

Congrats on getting Gimp 2.3.6 up and running!

Peace...

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I upgraded my Slack-current partition via swaret, which has its
own set of problems. I manually downloaded and installed
libcairo.so.2 from the Slack site. My adventures with Parser.pl
have already been described. Anyhow bottom line I now have a
working copy of 2.3.6 on site. The Gimp on Slack-current is now
up to 2.2.10 which is nice. Which one I actually use depends on
how far off the latest documentation is from the 2.3.x series.

It looks like Slack 11 and Gimp 2.4 will play nicely together.

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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

2006-02-10 Thread Tom . Williams
glib and gtk+ and other libs required by Gimp might be part of any current
Linux distro but they might not be the right versions required by any given
Gimp version.

As for the XML::Parser perl module, perl installations that come with Linux
distros will have some perl modules installed but not all.  I think it's
reasonable to require the system owner or the person who is building Gimp
to make sure external libs and apps are configured per Gimp's requirements.
In this case, that means the system owner is responsible for making sure
perl is setup per Gimp's requirements unless Gimp is being built with perl
support disabled (if that is an option).

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On Friday 10 February 2006 04:46 pm, Michael Schumacher wrote:
> John R. Culleton wrote:
> > Not at all. I was noting that on two different flavors of linux
> > it is necessary to download and install material beyond that
> > contained in the Gimp download in order to get it to compile. And
> > that wasn't true in prior versions.
>
> Um... you're kidding, right?
>
> GTK+
> Glib
> libpng
> libjpeg
> gcc
> make
> ...
>
> are also required and not included.

All these and Perl are either included in a standard "full"
installation of e.g., Slackware or Debian Sarge, As I stated earler
previous editions of Gimp have compiled without difficulty. I
have Slackware Current up to date as of yesterday. I have Debian Sarge up
to
date as of yesterday. I can compile older versions of Gimp.

My concern is not so much with 2.3.x but with 2.4. If that stable
version requires software bits and pieces not found on most
Linux systems and not downloadable from ww.gimp.org then there
is trouble ahead.

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Re: [Gimp-user] doing with the gimp what www.scanR.com does

2006-02-06 Thread Tom Williams
John R. Culleton wrote:
> On Monday 06 February 2006 01:10 am, peer miaskowski wrote:
>   
>> Hi list!
>>
>> Is it possible to do with the gimp (automatically?) what www.scanR.com
>> 
>  does?
>
> On Linux systems Xsane, a scanner program, is a useful plugin. 
>   
Yep, it works very well. :)

John, I've been sending you e-mail but I don't know if you've been
getting it.  Check your junk mail folder just in case.  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

2006-02-04 Thread Tom Williams
Carol Spears wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 05:53:03PM -0800, Tom Williams wrote:
>   
>> I'm also a Slackware user and have the latest glib and gtk+ libraries
>> installed.  Feel free to e-mail me if you need help getting everything
>> straightened out.  I've had similar problems with other apps and got
>> them resolved once I made sure I had everything installed where I
>> expected them to be as well as the app I was building.  :)
>>
>> I've got Gimp 2.2.10 running and Gimp 2.3.6 compiled but not installed
>> since it fails a MMX composite test during "make test".
>>
>> 
> does it fail this test if you ./configure --enable-mmx=no ?
>
> there is a chance that all of that mmx stuff was just Helvetix showing
> off.
>   
When I build Gimp 2.3.6 with "--disable-mmx", make check runs fine.  :)

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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

2006-02-04 Thread Tom Williams
John R. Culleton wrote:
> Tom, I never saw your original post but only Carol's reply. If
> you could help me dig my way out of the swamp off list or on
> list I would be grateful. I have Slack 10.2 installed. When Gimp
> 2.3.6 failed I tried to  upgrade my libs and thoroughly messed
> them up. But I have a clean copy on another partition. So my game
> will be to upgrade on that partiton with your help. 
>
> Did you use slack Current or do you go directly to another source?
> If so, what sites? Did you deinstall the Slack packages first or not? 
> What exactly did you upgrade? 
>
> All assistance appreciated. 
>   
We can do this off list so we won't clutter it.  :)   Once we get you up
and running, we can post an update for other Slackware users.  :)

Shoot me an e-mail if you haven't already.

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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

2006-02-03 Thread Tom Williams
Carol Spears wrote:
> does it fail this test if you ./configure --enable-mmx=no ?
>
> there is a chance that all of that mmx stuff was just Helvetix showing
> off.
>   
I don't know.  It's not critical for me to have the 2.3.x development
releases running.  I was able to get 2.3.5 built and installed.  I've
always had problems with MMX support and I even opened a bug report on
my previous issue.  :)

I can certainly do a build with MMX disabled to see if that works and
report back my findings.

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Re: [Gimp-user] One stupid thing

2006-02-03 Thread Tom Williams
John R. Culleton wrote:
> Now I have a problem with GLIB. Versions up thorugh gimp 2.3.3
> don't have the problem.. Versions newer than that complain about an obsolete
> GLIB. I updated glib to 2.8.2 and now there is a mismatch between
> what I have and what some program finds. There are lots of clever
> hints printed out about how to get around the problem, none of
> which work for me. Fortunately I always have virgin partition
> laying around to compensate for my own fumbling. I had to move
> one file around but then 2.3.3 would compile. It still won't
> compile on my main partition. But bottom line I now have
> 2.3.3.Newer versions won't compile in either partition.
>   
I'm also a Slackware user and have the latest glib and gtk+ libraries
installed.  Feel free to e-mail me if you need help getting everything
straightened out.  I've had similar problems with other apps and got
them resolved once I made sure I had everything installed where I
expected them to be as well as the app I was building.  :)

I've got Gimp 2.2.10 running and Gimp 2.3.6 compiled but not installed
since it fails a MMX composite test during "make test".

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Re: [Gimp-user] convert black to blue for sketch question

2006-01-15 Thread Tom Poe

Tom offered the following on 01/15/2006 10:24 AM:

I have changed Black & White images to Blue & White by using:
Tools->Color Tools->Color Balance
and then increasing Blue and, if necessary, decreasing red (increasing cyan).
I would then optionally use Tools->Color Tools->Brightness-Contrast and
adjust brightness.

On Saturday 14 January 2006 21:55, Tom Poe wrote:


I scanned in a sketch that is displayed as a black and white sketch.  I
now want to replace the black with blue color.  Then, I will have a blue
and white sketch.  Does that make sense?  Is there a command, or feature
on Gimp that lets me do that?
Thanks,
Tom




Thanks to everyone!  I really appreciate all the help.  Harish even went 
so far as to offer to have me send the file.  You folks are terrific!

Tom

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Re: [Gimp-user] convert black to blue for sketch question

2006-01-15 Thread Tom
I have changed Black & White images to Blue & White by using:
Tools->Color Tools->Color Balance
and then increasing Blue and, if necessary, decreasing red (increasing cyan).
I would then optionally use Tools->Color Tools->Brightness-Contrast and
adjust brightness.

On Saturday 14 January 2006 21:55, Tom Poe wrote:
> I scanned in a sketch that is displayed as a black and white sketch.  I
> now want to replace the black with blue color.  Then, I will have a blue
> and white sketch.  Does that make sense?  Is there a command, or feature
> on Gimp that lets me do that?
> Thanks,
> Tom

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[Gimp-user] convert black to blue for sketch question

2006-01-14 Thread Tom Poe
I scanned in a sketch that is displayed as a black and white sketch.  I 
now want to replace the black with blue color.  Then, I will have a blue 
and white sketch.  Does that make sense?  Is there a command, or feature 
on Gimp that lets me do that?

Thanks,
Tom
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Re: [Gimp-user] Image Resolution

2005-12-29 Thread Tom Williams

Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

Demetrius Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  

   Is there way to change the default image resolution in the Gimp for
   Windows so that I do not get the following message



   [URL=http://imageshack.us][IMG]http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/3944
   /gimpmessage7nk.jpg[/IMG][/URL]



You are getting this message because the image file you are opening
has an invalid image resolution. Changing the default resolution is
not going to change that. You better fix the image instead.
  

How could he fix the image?

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[Gimp-user] "Glossy" effect

2005-12-28 Thread Tom Smith
I'm trying to create a web page background and apply a "glossy" effect 
to it, similar to flat versus glossy paint. I haven't found a way to do 
this and a search of google didn't yield any help.


Is there a way to do this?

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about scaling digital photos for prints

2005-12-12 Thread Tom Williams

JC Dill wrote:

Tom Williams wrote:
A friend of mine took a bunch of photos using her Vivitar 3.2MP 
digital camera with the camera set at 640x480 resolution.  She wanted 
4x6 prints of those and printed a bunch that came out looking all 
pixelated and basically like crap.   Since then, we've set her camera 
back to the max resolution since previous photos taken at this 
resolution printed fine as prints.


My question:  is there anyway to use Gimp to scale the 640x480 images 
so they look as best as possible (no pixelation if possible) as 4x6 
prints?  I've scaled the images to 4"x6" and have increased pixels 
per inch and have run many filters with no real success.   Or is my 
friend basically stuck with what she has?


You can resize the image up in "steps" to smooth out the pixelization 
and rough edges as you resize it, but you will never regain the 
missing detail that was not recorded when the photo was taken at such 
a low resolution so the resulting image will be soft.  (Sharpening 
will help some, but not a lot.)



(snip)

Thanks to you and the others who responded with the very useful info!  
I'll give it a try and see what happens.  :)


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[Gimp-user] Question about scaling digital photos for prints

2005-12-08 Thread Tom Williams
A friend of mine took a bunch of photos using her Vivitar 3.2MP digital 
camera with the camera set at 640x480 resolution.  She wanted 4x6 prints 
of those and printed a bunch that came out looking all pixelated and 
basically like crap.   Since then, we've set her camera back to the max 
resolution since previous photos taken at this resolution printed fine 
as prints.


My question:  is there anyway to use Gimp to scale the 640x480 images so 
they look as best as possible (no pixelation if possible) as 4x6 
prints?  I've scaled the images to 4"x6" and have increased pixels per 
inch and have run many filters with no real success.   Or is my friend 
basically stuck with what she has?


Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] printing GIMPed photos

2005-12-07 Thread Tom Williams

Helen wrote:

Is anyone able to recommend the best (or a good) printer
for a Gimp user on a Linux (SuSE) system?  I want good
quality prints, with good color.  Cost is a factor, but
is not the most important factor.  Gimp is the only
photo-editing program I use, but I don't have to use
Gimp for printing.  I could learn to use Scribus for
printing, if that's recommended.
Thanks for any help with this.

Helen, using GIMP 2.2.9, SuSE 10
see my photos at  http://www.flickr.com/photos/ettervor/

Gimp uses Gimp-Print for printing so if you see the list of supported 
printers at the Gimp-Print website (use Google to search for Gimp-Print 
to find the URL of the site), you can find a printer that suits your 
needs best.  :)


Good luck!

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[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.3.3 and SIOX comments

2005-08-16 Thread Tom Williams
Greetings to you all.  Well, I finally got Gimp 2.3.3 w/ SIOX built on 
my Linux system and I've got this to say about the SIOX plugin:


IT ROCKS!!

I haven't played with it much but I did a "quick and dirty" extraction 
and it worked well!  Woo-Hoo!


Thanks!

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Re: [Gimp-user] ANNOUNCE: GIMP 2.3.3 "What The GIMP" development release

2005-08-10 Thread Tom . Williams

Is it advisable to install the current development glib/gtk+ 2.7 libs to go along with this Gimp development release or should the stable glib/gtk+ libraries be used?

Peace...

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Hi,

a week after some of us spent their weekend at a hacker gathering in
the dutch swamps (see http://www.whatthehack.org/), a new development
release is presented to you. GIMP version 2.3.3, dubbed "What The
GIMP", is a preview on the upcoming GIMP 2.4.

This release features the prototype of a new foreground selection tool
that is being developed in cooperation with the department of Computer
Science at the Freie Universität Berlin. The SIOX algorithm makes
selection of foreground objects a lot easier. Instead of trying to
trace the object boundary, the user now only has to specify the region
of interest and some representative foreground pixels. SIOX (Simple
Interactive Foreground eXtraction) does the rest, see
http://www.siox.org/

More details can be found in the press release:

  http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.3.3.html

The source code of GIMP 2.3.3 can be downloaded from the usual places:

  http://gimp.org/downloads#mirrors

If you want to give it a try, please read the release notes for
development releases:

  http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.3.html

Last, but not least, here's the detailed list of changes since GIMP 2.3.2:

- improved new GimpPageSelector widget
- minor improvements to the Procedure and Plug-In browsers
- set alternative button order in some places that were missed earlier
- added SIOX algorithm for foreground extraction
- fixed most gcc 4.0 warnings
- improved Cursor view and Sample Points functionality
- prepared code and UI for more layer lock types
- added new PDF import plug-in based on libpoppler
- undeprecated and improved palette editor, added cursor navigation
- show more information in the Image Properties dialog
- added prototype of SIOX foreground selection tool
- fixed build of MMX code on gcc 4.0
- moved procedure browser to libgimpwidgets as GimpProcBrowserDialog
- canonicalize PDB procedure and parameter names
- use the coefficients from the sRGB spec when calculating luminance
- allow to remove alpha channel from a layer
- added more different cursors for the paths tool
- bug fixes and code cleanup


Happy GIMPing, Sven
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Re: [Gimp-user] Question about the exif browser

2005-07-30 Thread Tom Williams

Ok,  I'll try re-building to see if that fixes it.

Thanks!

Peace...

Tom

falolaf wrote:


I have EXIF browser working with the same Gimp version as you are on
MandrivaLinux 2005LE.

/Anders

Tom Williams wrote:
 


Hi!  I'm running Gimp 2.2.8 on Linux and I just noticed the EXIF browser
doesn't seem to be working.  I've got an image that is known to have
EXIF data yet the EXIF browser reports there is none attached.

Does the EXIF browser work for anyone else?

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[Gimp-user] Question about the exif browser

2005-07-29 Thread Tom Williams
Hi!  I'm running Gimp 2.2.8 on Linux and I just noticed the EXIF browser 
doesn't seem to be working.  I've got an image that is known to have 
EXIF data yet the EXIF browser reports there is none attached.


Does the EXIF browser work for anyone else?

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Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: [Gimp-user] use of the Space key

2005-05-25 Thread Tom Williams

Sven Neumann wrote:


Spacebar to switch temporarily to move is awfully useful. I didn't
know about it until this discussion, but I've often wanted something
like that
   



See, that is exactly my point. The feature is not discoverable and it
might make sense to exchange it for something which is probably at
least as useful but wider known.
 



I'm in the same boat in that I didn't "discover" the current space bar 
behavior and now that I know about it, I think it's great.  The reason I 
didn't discover it is purely because I never thought to press the space 
bar at all.   I've got no issue with changing the behavior of the space 
bar but the main point is I didn't know about the behavior associated 
with the space bar because I never thought to press the space bar, 
regardless of the functionality associated with it/


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Re: [Gimp-user] Gimp 2.3 changes

2005-05-16 Thread Tom Williams
j Mak wrote:
I like the implementation of transient window
management system; it was a very good idea and works
very well on my gnome desktop. 
 

What is the transient window management system?
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better

2005-05-14 Thread Tom Williams
Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Tom Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Suh-weet  One feature I would like to see added is the ability to
select regions of the screen when taking a screenshot, like PrintKey
on Windows can.

The CVS version does that already.
Suh-weet!  Ship it!  :D
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better

2005-05-13 Thread Tom Williams
Sven Neumann wrote:
Hi,
Alan Horkan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

I plan on keeping an old version of the GIMP around for a very long time,
and the extra feature that allowed you to take screenshots excluding
window decorations is one of the reasons for that

The screenshot plug-in in CVS HEAD has this feature back and offers
even more functionality than the old xwd hack.
Suh-weet  One feature I would like to see added is the ability to select 
regions of the screen when taking a screenshot, like PrintKey on Windows can.

Is there a Bugzilla enhancement report filed for the screenshot plugin?  I'll 
take a look later tonight.  :)

Peace...
Tom
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[Gimp-user] Re: Nobody does it better

2005-05-11 Thread Tom Williams
Alan Horkan wrote:
[please trim the subject line in your responses]
Ok.  :)
I think most users are frustrated by the gimp and less frustrated by
photoshop and the easiest way for them to express that is to make simple
comparisons rather than being able to suggest better ways to do things.
Yeah, this makes sense.  :)
What can the GNU Image Manipulation Program do that Adobe Photoshop cannot
do?  Please do tell.  I have recently pointed out that the gimp allows you
to have files with multiple layers in Indexed Mode and photoshop does not.
I would like to be able to expand on this list of things I know the gimp
can do better.
I would very sincerely be interested to know other things you can do with
the GNU Image manipulation program that cannot be done with other
software, particuarly things that cannot be done in Adobe Photoshop.
Some have already posted some features Gimp has PhotoShop doesn't and/or things 
Gimp does PhotoShop can't do or can't do as well.  I haven't spent a lot of time 
using PhotoShop and I installed a trial version of PhotoShop Elements to check 
it out. I don't know how elements differs from the "full-blown" version of 
PhotoShop.

Here are some things I found I couldn't do with PhotoShop Elements and I'm sure 
someone will correct me if they are possible with the full-blown PhotoShop:

*)  Take screenshots.  I often take screenshots of Gimp or other apps, if not 
the desktop.  The cool thing about doing it *within* the graphics app is I can 
immediately scale, resize, or otherwise manipulate the image without having to 
use one app to take the screenshot and another to do the manipulation.

*)  Have a finer granularity of control over sharpening images.  With PS 
Elements, I could keep clicking the "sharpen more" menu option to sharpen the 
image I had loaded.  With Gimp, I can dial-in the precise amount of sharpening I 
want using the "sharpen" filter.  I didn't think to compare the number or types 
of sharpening filters that came with Gimp vs PS Elements.

*)  The ability to perform manipulations on multiple images at once.  I was 
running an effects filter on a rather large image while I had 3 or 4 other 
images loaded.  I'm running on a Pentium II 350MHz machine w/ 256MB of RAM and 
given my application mix, I had at least double that (if not more) allocated, 
meaning I was definitely using swap.  I'm running on Linux.  This one filter was 
taking its time to run, given the size of the image, and I was able to start 
other filters and work on the other images while that first filter was running. 
 I was also scanning images while running the filter, etc.  I don't know what 
kind of simultaneous multi-image processing capabilities PS has. I didn't think 
to try this with PS Elements, unfortunately.

Those are three things I have personal experience with, at least with Gimp.  :)
Peace...
Tom
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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: image preview in file selection

2005-05-11 Thread Tom . Williams





I'm running Gimp 2.2.6 on Windows 2000 and when I open a folder of images,
a thumbnail preview appears for each image I select.

I can send a screenshot if desired.

Peace....

Tom



   
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Michael Schumacher wrote:
>>With the new file selector, is it possible to have the thumbnail view
>>that the previous file selector had?
>
>
> How about trying it yourself? :)
>
>
> HTH,
> Michael
>

Michael,

On Windows version of gimp, there is no thumbnail in the "open" window.
If you know a way to have thumnails there, please tell me how, I would
like to have it working as on my linux box at home.

Best regards,

Olivier.

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Re: [Gimp-user] Re: when even free advertising fails

2005-05-10 Thread Tom Williams
David Marrs wrote:
>
"Easier" for whom? the users or the developers?  Since there's only one 
GIMP set-up anyway, I don't see how it makes a difference; any 
suggestion I make is going to be a direct result of the default GIMP 
set-up that I'm using. I'm not biased by Photoshop, PSP or anything 
else, I'm just acutely aware of the user interface's short comings and 
I'm trying to address them.

Making GIMP newbies (which I'm not, btw) learn the interface until they 
get used to it only means that they'll get used to the GIMP's short 
comings, not that they'll go away. It's just the same as how Windows 
users put up with their interface, all the time forgetting how 
restrictive it is. When it's all you can see, it becomes normal. It's 
only after you come back to Windows after spending months away, using a 
different OS like Linux+Gnome, that you suddenly realise how poor 
Windows actually is. If Microsoft were trying to get users to migrate 
from GNU/Linux to Windows, they'd be out of business in weeks.

So I think you unwittingly hit the nail on the head with regard to the 
GIMP's problem: it insists that its users conform to its way of doing 
things instead of being malleable so that different users with different 
approaches can tailor it to suit their needs. Its approach obviously 
works for you, which is why you're happy with it. Just try to remember 
that your way isn't necessarily the *right* way.
I agree 100% with this, very well stated.  I think PhotoShop users "suffer" from 
this as well as they don't realize the "PhotoShop way" isn't necessarily the 
*right* way.

Great post!
Peace...
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Re: [Gimp-user] when even free advertising fails

2005-05-09 Thread Tom Williams
Kalle Ounapuu wrote:
The bug-tracker serves it's purpose, but you can't expect everyone to be reading it over before making any comment about GIMP.
I agree.  People use Gimp (or try to) and have a problem or criticism and post 
their feedback here instead of filing bug/enhancement reports or looking to see 
what is already documented in Bugzilla, etc.

Maybe there are GIMP users who would love everyone to drop Photoshop (or whatever) and use GIMP.
You know, I'm not sure this is really the case.  At least not based on 
discussion I've seen on this mailing list.  I think a lot of frustration stems 
from people slamming Gimp for simply not looking, feeling, behaving, or tasting 
exactly like PhotoShop.  It's almost like if it's not PhotoShop, it's crap.  The 
focus tends to be on what PhotoShop does that Gimp doesn't do and almost no 
mention is made of the things Gimp can do that PhotoShop can't.

If so, they will have to deal with more of this. 
I think constructive criticism on Gimp's UI, usability, features or missing 
features is what is desired much more than the "Gimp sucks cuz it can't do this 
obscure thing PhotoShop can" kinds of comments.

Not everyone can spend the time to search something out, or in fact they don't care, they would rather voice it out right away.
Yep, you're right on the money here.  I think the bulk of the new Gimp users 
don't even think to look at Bugzilla or maybe even the mailing list archives 
before posting their comments since they are frustrated or focused on what they 
are trying to do with Gimp and simply post questions or comments to get 
"immediate" help.  I know I tend to do the same from time to time but I try to 
search the mailing list archives before posting a question to see if it has 
already been discussed.

Peace...
Tom
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Hi,
Gezim Hoxha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 07:04 -0700, Carol Spears wrote:

a forum where they can constantly bombard and belittle TheGIMP and are
free to do so and the best they can pull out of their over-extended
reasoning is this layers effect stuff.
I'm not sure who "they" are, but if you're referring to people in this
list that are not afraid to admit gimp's weaknesses, these people have
every right to point them out. You can't fix a problem if you don't even
accept it. Lack of layer effects is not a problem?

You are perfectly right that it is important to point out weak spots.
The discussions that have been happening on this list lately have
however not pointed out a singleq weak spots that wouldn't have been
well-known already. Bringing up stuff that is already in the
bug-tracker and on the roadmap for years doesn't really help anyone.
Sven
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Re: [Gimp-user] Calling GIMP from external program.

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Cat
Yes you can call the gimp from the command line or use perl GIMP modules:

Some possibly useful links:

http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Batch/
http://www.ftgimp.com/help/C/command_line.html
http://www.macgimp.org/article.php?story=78
http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/Basic_Perl/
http://www.loni.ucla.edu/ad/Tutorial/starting.html

On 5/4/05, Inpromptu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> 
> It is possible to call GIMP, GIMP's  tools, scripts, from an external
> program ? Is there some kind of API to do that ?
> 
> Excuse my english...
> 
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Re: [Gimp-user] Disadvantage of GIMP when compared to Photoshop

2005-05-05 Thread Tom Cat
On 5/4/05, j Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> I also use both  Photoshop and Gimp and agree that
> Potoshop is more user friendly.

Interesting.  I started using Photoshop in 2000.  In 02 I was
introduced to the gimp.   I was so happy to finally find graphics
software that was finally userfriendly.  It has gotten to the point
now where I hardly ever fireup Photoshop.

> The lack of a main window in Gimp seems to be a major
> irritation for new users. That you see all the icons
> and open windows behind your canvas could be annoying.
> I've never understood myself why developers haven't
> designed a main window for Gimp yet. 

I don't see why it would need one.  The main window in Photoshop just
is an annoyance.

> As far as I know
> Gimp is the only app that uses this non-standard
> interface. 

So where is this standard interface defined?  

> Are you aware that Gimpshop, now uses
> Photoshop-like menu structure?
> 

That's the point of Gimpshop to be more like Photoshop.  Sort of a
halfway between the Gimp and Photoshop.  There is no reason for the
Gimp to change its very logical menu structure.

> > In terms of editing, layers, and effects... nothing
> > beats Photoshop.
> 
> I agree.
> 

What exactly do y'all like better.  Both have seemed comparable in
functionality.
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