[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Burwell Lute Tutor Pieces

[Rob MacKillop]

   Your Scribd page has amazing treasures, Ernst!
   Rob MacKillop

   On Sun, 3 May 2020 at 10:19, <[1]fischer...@aon.at> wrote:

Dear lute friends,
As you most probably know, the "Burwell Lute Tutor" is a
 manuscript
tutor for the baroque lute. The manuscript is Miss Mary Burwell's
 (born
1654) copy of a method written by an Englishman (the name Mr.
 John
Rogers has been suggested) who claims was himself a pupil of the
 French
Ennemond Gaultier. The teacher corrected Miss Burwell's copy of
 the
text and filled in the music examples. Both the "Burwell Lute
 Tutor"
and "The Lute Made Easie" (by Thomas Mace, London, 1676) are two
 very
authentic and surviving sources of its time teaching in great
 detail
from A to Z how to play the baroque lute.
For teaching practice, the manuscript contains examples of
 French-style
lute pieces, mainly fragments and sometimes individual bars only.
 The
music examples are chaotic, with both teacher and pupil
 contributing to
mistakes Some of the pieces are known, and concordances exist in
 other
lute manuscripts, other pieces are new and unique.
Over the last months or so I tried playing nearly all pieces
 after I
identified (if possible), corrected and completed majority of the
pieces from the Burwell Lute Tutor.
Please find here the link to my compilation of baroque lute
 pieces from
the "Burwell Lute Tutor":
[1][2]http://www.apeptico.com/index-burwell_lute_tutor
Please stay healthy and resist Corona!
Ernst Bernhard ("viennalute") from Vienna.
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 References
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References

   1. mailto:fischer...@aon.at
   2. http://www.apeptico.com/index-burwell_lute_tutor
   3. http://www.apeptico.com/index-burwell_lute_tutor
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Lute recordings

[Rob MacKillop]

That's an incredible contribution you've made, Bernhard! And free too. I urge 
people to listen to them. This is a great use of the Internet. 

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

> On 14 Jan 2018, at 16:59, Fischer BE (Aon)  wrote:
> 
>   Dear lute friends,
> 
> 
>   Happy New Year to all of you from Vienna.
> 
> 
>   Following a suggestion made by my Scottish friend Rob I have uploaded
>   my baroque lute tracks into two audio channels at SoundCloud
>   ([1]www.soundcloud.com): [2]Viennalute 1 and [3]Viennalute 2.
> 
>   [4]Viennalute 1 presents my recordings of baroque lute pieces
>   originating from the historic Austria Habsburg territory and baroque
>   lute pieces from manuscripts and sources today preserved in Austria.
> 
>   [5]Viennalute 2 presents my recordings of baroque lute pieces composed
>   by German, French and English lute composers and baroque lute pieces
>   from manuscripts and sources today preserved in Germany, France and
>   Great Britain.
> 
>   Many of these pieces have not been played for the last three hundred
>   years or so, and have not been recorded.
> 
> 
>   Content of Viennalute 1
> 
>   [6]Baroque Lute Pieces from Vienna MS 1078 (incl. Pieces by Giuseppe
>   Porsile (Borsilli) and Comte Bergen)
> 
>   [7]Pieces for baroque lute from the Vienna manuscript MS 17706 (incl.
>   pieces by DuFault, DuBut, Bertelli, Gallot)
> 
>   [8]Baroque lute pieces composed by Johann Gotthard Peyer from the
>   Vienna manuscript Ms Hs 18826
> 
>   [9]Allemande and Sarabande in G Major from the Vienna MS 18761 (incl.
>   pieces my Mr. Weiss)
> 
>   [10]Pieces for Baroque Lute composed by Philipp Franz LeSage de Richee
>   (from Cabinet der Lauten)
> 
>   [11]Pieces for baroque lute in c minor composed by Joseph I and
>   Austrian Lute Master (incl. pieces by Joseph I and Wolff Jacob
>   Lauffensteiner, MS A.13.268 and Vienna MS 120)
> 
>   [12]Suite in E Flat Major from the Harrach Manuscript (MS 120, Austrian
>   State Archive, Vienna) (unknown composers)
> 
>   [13]Pieces for Baroque Lute by Jan Antonin Losy of Losinthal (1650 -
>   1721) (pieces from Ms. 40620 / Pl-Kj MS. Mus 40620)
> 
>   [14]Pieces for Baroque Lute by Rochus Berhandtzky (pieces from
>   manuscripts Vienna MS 7763/92 and Kremsmünster MS L83a)
> 
>   [15]Suite in g minor and pieces from Matthias Sigismund Biechteler
>   (Harrach Manuscript MS 120, Vienna, Austria)
> 
> 
>   Content of Viennalute 2
> 
>   [16]French Baroque Lute Pieces from various Masters and Sources (incl.
>   pieces by DuBut and Mouton)
> 
>   [17]Baroque Lute Pieces by Silvius Leopold Weiss (incl. an unknown
>   Prelude in Bb Major by Weiss)
> 
>   [18]Lute Pieces by Gaultier and Perrine from Pieces de Luth en Musique
>   (incl. pieces form Perrine’s book “Pieces de Luth en Musique avec des
>   Regles pour les toucher parfaitem sur le Luth, et sur le Clavessin”)
> 
>   [19]Pieces for baroque lute by J F Daube
> 
>   [20]Pieces for Baroque Lute by Esaia Reusner
> 
>   [21]Pieces in Sous Dorien mode from "La Rhetorique des Dieux" by Denis
>   Gaultier
> 
>   [22]Pieces for Baroque Lute from the Manuscript MS Egerton 2046
>   (British Library, London) (All lute pieces are in Accords Nouveaux,
>   various composers incl. Jacques Gautier, John Lawrence, Merville,
>   various 17^th century country dances)
> 
>   [23]Pieces for Baroque Lute by Ernst Gottlieb Baron
> 
>   [24]Pieces for Baroque Lute by Jacques Bittner
> 
> 
>   The free of charge MP3 audios replace my annual CDs produced in
>   previous years.
> 
> 
>   Best wishes,
> 
>   Ernst Bernhard
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://www.soundcloud.com/
>   2. https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944
>   3. https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193
>   4. https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944
>   5. https://soundcloud.com/user-731566193
>   6. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/baroque-lute-pieces-from-vienna-ms-1078
>   7. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/pieces-for-baroque-lute-from-the-vienna-manuscript-ms-17706
>   8. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/baroque-lute-pieces-composed-by-johann-gotthard-peyer-from-the-vienna-manuscript-ms-hs-18826
>   9. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/allemande-and-sarabande-in-g-major-from-the-vienna-ms-18761
>  10. https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/pieces-for-baroque-lute-by
>  11. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/pieces-for-baroque-lute-in-c-minor-composed-by-joseph-i-and-an-austrial-lute-master-o
>  12. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/suite-in-e-flat-major-from-the-harrach-manuscript-ms-120-austrian-state-archive-vienna
>  13. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/pieces-for-baroque-lute-by-jan-antonin-losy-of-losinthal-1650-1721
>  14. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/pieces-for-baroque-lute-by-rochus-berhandtzky
>  15. 
> https://soundcloud.com/user-32080944/sets/suite-in-g-minor-and-pieces-from-biechteler-harrach-manuscript-ms-120-vienna-austria
>  16. 
> 

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

All you need is a pair of double-vision glasses...

Rob

> On 18 Oct 2017, at 19:27, howard posner <howardpos...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Oct 18, 2017, at 10:56 AM, Rob MacKillop <robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>  I don't think you ever will recover, Howard. Send me your shrink bills.
> 
> Not possible.  In SSTS (Single-Stringing Trauma Syndrome) cases she insists 
> on cash up front.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

   I don't think you ever will recover, Howard. Send me your shrink bills.
   I know what to do with them.
   Rob

   On 18 Oct 2017 18:51, "howard posner" <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   wrote:

   > On Oct 18, 2017, at 1:15 AM, Rob MacKillop
   <[2]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >   There is nothing "authentic" about a single-strung 11c lute, I am
   the
   >first to admit. The truth is, the older I get the harder it
   becomes to
   >swap between instruments. These days I mainly play guitar and
   theorbo
   >(single strung) and to suddenly pick up an 11 or 13 c lute is more
   of a
   >challenge than it used to be. So, I decided to make life a little
   >easier for myself. I'm sure this will upset some people

 It certainly upset me.   I haven't been able to eat or sleep since I
 saw it.   Now I'm tired and skinny.   I'm hoping that with therapy I
 can get over it and resume a normal life.

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

Good post, Luca. Well, I've been "maniacally hip" for almost 30 years, and have 
a wealth of experience in Early Music, but also elsewhere. Each decade seems to 
teach us more about the fashions of our own time than about (for example) the 
17th century. I've been through a lot of changes myself. To cut a long and 
fairly tedious story short, I'm now perfectly happy playing the way I do on 
this video. I know some people will like it, and some people won't. That's 
always the way of it, something I learned to accept many decades ago. 

Lang may yer lum reek! 

(Translation: Long may your chimney have smoke coming out of it! Something 
Wittgenstein forgot to add...)

Rob



> On 18 Oct 2017, at 11:37, Luca Manassero <l...@manassero.net> wrote:
> 
> You're welcome, Rob.
> 
> And I tend to believe you're right. After 12 years of pretty intensive
> lute studies (renaissance in all its incarnations, baroque lute 11 and
> 13 course, theorbo) I'm still maniacally hip, BUT (and it's a big "but")
> I'm more and more fascinated by the music and its interpretation.
> 
> I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to start an easy flame on this
> list ;-) but I tend to believe that historically informed instruments
> helped us a lot to stop playing lute music as a sort of strange sounding
> Spanish guitar music. Once we learn it, then music is the real centrum.
> 
> You certainly already know what the Austrian philosopher Wittgenstein
> wrote (Umberto Eco ironically puts it in the mouth of Guglielmo da
> Baskerville in his "The name of the rose"): "[you] must, so to speak,
> throw away the ladder after [you have] climbed up it."
> 
> Therefore, I really like your video :-)
> 
> Luca
> 
> Il 2017-10-18 10:15 Rob MacKillop ha scritto:
> 
>> Thanks, Luca.
>> There is nothing "authentic" about a single-strung 11c lute, I am the
>> first to admit. The truth is, the older I get the harder it becomes to
>> swap between instruments. These days I mainly play guitar and theorbo
>> (single strung) and to suddenly pick up an 11 or 13 c lute is more of a
>> challenge than it used to be. So, I decided to make life a little
>> easier for myself. I'm sure this will upset some people, but all I want
>> to do is play beautiful music as best I can.
>> So, I hope people can just listen without making judgments over how
>> inauthentic I am being. I've been down the - shall we say - purist
>> road, and I love it when other people do that, as we all learn
>> something from it. I am still an "historically-informed performer",
>> though, and do my best to play with some sense of period style.
>> I hope people are open enough to just listen to the beautiful music.
>> And for what it's worth, I think the lute sounds beautiful too :-)
>> Rob MacKillop
>> 
>> On 18 October 2017 at 09:01, Luca Manassero <[1]l...@manassero.net>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm a bit wondering about the single strung lute, but the music is
>> really lovely.
>> Over here (near Venice) it's the "real" first Fall day (it was very
>> sunny 'til today) and this music just fits perfectly.
>> Thank you, Rob
>> Il 2017-10-18 01:09 Rob MacKillop ha scritto:
>>> Might be of interest to some here:
>>> [1][2]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
>>> Rob MacKillop
>>> 
>>> --
>>> 
>>> References
>>> 
>>> 1. [3]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
>>> 
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>>> [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> --
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> References
>> 
>> 1. mailto:l...@manassero.net
>> 2. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
>> 3. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
>> 4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> --

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

   Thanks, Luca.
   There is nothing "authentic" about a single-strung 11c lute, I am the
   first to admit. The truth is, the older I get the harder it becomes to
   swap between instruments. These days I mainly play guitar and theorbo
   (single strung) and to suddenly pick up an 11 or 13 c lute is more of a
   challenge than it used to be. So, I decided to make life a little
   easier for myself. I'm sure this will upset some people, but all I want
   to do is play beautiful music as best I can.
   So, I hope people can just listen without making judgments over how
   inauthentic I am being. I've been down the - shall we say - purist
   road, and I love it when other people do that, as we all learn
   something from it. I am still an "historically-informed performer",
   though, and do my best to play with some sense of period style.
   I hope people are open enough to just listen to the beautiful music.
   And for what it's worth, I think the lute sounds beautiful too :-)
   Rob MacKillop

   On 18 October 2017 at 09:01, Luca Manassero <[1]l...@manassero.net>
   wrote:

 I'm a bit wondering about the single strung lute, but the music is
 really lovely.
 Over here (near Venice) it's the "real" first Fall day (it was very
 sunny 'til today) and this music just fits perfectly.
 Thank you, Rob
     Il 2017-10-18 01:09 Rob MacKillop ha scritto:
 > Might be of interest to some here:
 > [1][2]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
 > Rob MacKillop
 >
 > --
 >
 > References
 >
 > 1. [3]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
 >
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References

   1. mailto:l...@manassero.net
   2. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
   3. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Harp Sharp etc, on an 11c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

   Might be of interest to some here:
   [1]https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks
   Rob MacKillop

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References

   1. https://youtu.be/zvD4lwPoAks


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Anthony Bailes paper in "The Lute" - and my holiday work

[Rob MacKillop]

   Excellent work, Andreas - and François-Pierre. I've played many pieces
   in accords nouveaux over the years, and it is helpful to have all the
   relevant data on one place. I can only encourage you to complete the
   English translation, with many thanks for what you have done so far.
   I'm a bit puzzled as to why the Coste version of Sor studies is there,
   for, as far as I recall, they are in standard guitar tuning.
   Rob MacKillop

   On 8 October 2017 at 19:18, Andreas Schlegel
   <[1]lute.cor...@sunrise.ch> wrote:

 Dear lutefriends,
 I saw in Anthony Bailes' wonderful article "The Bowe that is too
 much bent, breaketh"; The pitch of Miss Burwell's lute,
 reconsidered, in: The Lute LIV (2014), p. 1-35, some references to
 the website "[2]accordsnouveaux.ch" which was for years available
 only in German.
 This was a sign to work today on Francois-Pierre Goy's and my
 homepage and I'm happy to announce that a good part of the website
 is now available in English, too.
 During the last months, Joachim Lüdtke worked on translations and I
 had now the opportunity to put the texts online - and to make all
 the links... But at some pages, the graphical result is not
 convincig... and I can't say where the mistake comes in.
 The missed sites will come soon, I hope.
 There are some special topics:
 Horaz:
 [3]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/Horaz/Horaz.html
 Tunings / accords:
 [4]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/Judentanz/
 Judentanz.html
 [5]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/Tunings%20Survey/
 TuningsS.html
 [6]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/TuningsC/TuningsC.html
 La Rhétorique des Dieux:
 [7]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/RdD%20Intro/Bremen/Bremen.html
 [8]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/AS.html
 scroll down to "Publications"
 Bullen Reymes (F-P. Goy):
 [9]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/Writers/Writers.html
 Swiss sources:
 [10]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/SourcesCH/SourcesCH.html
 Benzenauer
 [11]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/AS.html
 scroll down to "Publications"
 The "Rodauer Lautenbuch" (D-Fschneider Ms 45)
 [12]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/RodauLB/RodauLB.html
 Guitar music:
 [13]http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/GuitarLit/GuitarLit.html
 Enjoy!
 And if you see errors, please give an advice. Thanks!
 Andreas
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References

   1. mailto:lute.cor...@sunrise.ch
   2. http://accordsnouveaux.ch/
   3. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/Horaz/Horaz.html
   4. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/Judentanz/Judentanz.html
   5. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/Tunings Survey/TuningsS.html
   6. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/TuningsC/TuningsC.html
   7. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/RdD Intro/Bremen/Bremen.html
   8. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/AS.html
   9. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Thesis/Writers/Writers.html
  10. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/SourcesCH/SourcesCH.html
  11. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/Authors/AS/AS.html
  12. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/RodauLB/RodauLB.html
  13. http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/en/GuitarLit/GuitarLit.html
  14. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: THE IMPROVISING LUTENIST' : Chapters 1 to 9 free downloads

[Rob MacKillop]

Brilliant, Gilbert. Well organised, from learning the C major scale to jamming 
on Autumn Leaves in nine easy steps. I wish I'd had this in my early days of 
lute playing. Thanks for sharing it. 

Rob MacKillop


> On 17 May 2017, at 18:03, Gilbert Isbin <gilbert.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   THE IMPROVISING LUTENIST' : Chapters 1 to 9 free downloadable
>   [1]http://gilbertisbin.com/compositions/compositionslute-compositions/
> 
>   With kind regards,
> 
>   Met vriendelijke groeten,
> 
>   Bien cordialement,
>   Gilbert Isbin
>   [2]www.gilbertisbin.com
>   [3]gilbert.is...@gmail.com
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. http://gilbertisbin.com/compositions/compositionslute-compositions/
>   2. http://www.gilbertisbin.com/
>   3. mailto:gilbert.is...@gmail.com
> 
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Menuett WeissSW 4,5 - Reusner ensemble works

[Rob MacKillop]

Well spotted, Markus! Very interesting. And thanks for sharing. 

Rob

> On 6 May 2017, at 00:00, Markus Lutz  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> in the new Lauteninfo of the Deutsche Lautengesellschaft, that is about to be 
> sent to the members, I publish about some things I found in the past months.
> 
> The most exciting finding for me was the fact, that a Menuet by Silvius 
> Leopold Weiss turned out to be the intabulation of the final choir of an 
> opera by Domenico Scarlatti (Lieto giorno from Tolomeo e Alessandro).
> 
> Also I found some more lute concordances to the Reusner ensemble works 
> (Taffel=Erlustigung) - as far as I knew there had been only one before (the 
> courante in a).
> 
> 3. Courante in a = Erfreuliche Lautenlust, p. 13.
> 29. Allemande in Bb = Neue Lautenfrüchte, S. 6, 2. St. (further Concordance 
> beside others: S-Klm21072 / 52v)
> 30. Courant in Bb = S-Klm21068 / 12r and S-Klm21072 / 53r
> 31.  Saraband in Bb = autogr. addition in the Berlin exemplar of the 
> Lautenfrüchte, rear side of p. 7
> 33. Gigue in Bb = ebd., rear side of p. 6
> 56. Ballo in A = Aire PL-Wu2008 / 126, PL-Wu2009 / 183, Gavotte PL-Wn396 / 
> 240v
> 
> Both scores I have set in musescore, which now (2.1) supports the bourdon 
> strings of lute instruments.
> 
> You can see both scores online:
> https://musescore.com/user/4275446/scores/3856566 (Weiss-Scarlatti)
> https://musescore.com/user/4275446/scores/3857006 (Reusner)
> 
> Best regards
> Markus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
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> Schulstraße 11
> 
> 88422 Bad Buchau
> 
> Tel  0 75 82 / 92 62 89
> Fax  0 75 82 / 92 62 90
> Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Vocal Scores with Alfabeto

[Rob MacKillop]

   Thanks!
   Rob

   On 11 April 2017 at 13:17, jean-michel Catherinot
   <[1]jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com> wrote:

   [2]http://www.lib.utexas.edu/etd/d/2006/gavitoc11533/
   gavitoc11533.pdf#page=3
   very useful. Good luck Rob !
   Le Samedi 8 avril 2017 11h43, Rob MacKillop <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com>
   a écrit :
 Rocky Mjos has come to the rescue, with many fine scores from his
   Ning
 page. Well worth a visit. Thank you, Rocky!
 Rob
 On 8 April 2017 at 08:05, Rob MacKillop
   <[1][4]robmackil...@gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Yes, I've noticed a conflict between an alfabeto chord and a bass
 continuo figure, for example the alfabeto saying Eb Major, and the bc
 saying Cm - played together they give a rather jazzy Cm7 :-) Which is
 why I was looking for an edited edition, as my student is not at the
 stage where she could make such decisions herself, though the ability
 to do so is something we intend to cover.
 Rob
 > On 8 Apr 2017, at 07:58, David van Ooijen
 <[2][5]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > Kapsberger, SPES facsimile. Clear enough, no need for modern
 edition
 > (though you might want to edit the alfabetto a bit to make it
 conform
 > to the continuo bass and figures).
 >
 > David
     >
 > On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 at 08:28, Rob MacKillop
 <[1][3][6]robmackil...@gmail.com>
 > wrote:
 >
 >   Thanks, Lino. And thanks, David - though not quite what we
   are
 >   looking for.
 >   Considering how popular and common alfabeto was in the old
   days,
 >   there are apparently comparatively few scores available
   today.
 >   Rob
 >>> On 8 Apr 2017, at 06:18, Messina Calogero
 >>   <[2][4][7]messina.calog...@free.fr> wrote:
 >>
 >> Hi Rob,
 >> Try SPES Edition of Biagio Marini songs. Not modern edition but
 >   very clear
 >> and effective since you have both continuo and alfabeto notation
 >>
 >> Best regards
 >> Lino
 >>
 >>
 >> -Message d'origine-
 >> De : [3][5][8]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 >   [mailto:[4][6][9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
 >> de Rob MacKillop
 >> Envoyà © : vendredi 7 avril 2017 21:21
 >> Ã : LuteNet list
 >> Objet : [LUTE] Vocal Scores with Alfabeto
 >>
 >> I'm on the hunt for scores for voice and baroque guitar alfabeto
 >   for a
 >> student, so preferably a modern edited edition. Any suggestions?
 >>
 >> Rob MacKillop
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> To get on or off this list see list information at
 >> [5][7][10]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 >>
 >>
 >> ---
 >> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier à ©lectronique a à ©tà ©
 >   và ©rifià ©e par le logiciel antivirus Avast.
 >> [6][8][11]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
 >
 > --
 >
 > ***
 > David van Ooijen
 > [7][9][12]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 > [8][10][13]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 > ***
 >
 > --
 >
 > References
 >
 > 1. mailto:[11][14]robmackil...@gmail.com
 > 2. mailto:[12][15]messina.calog...@free.fr
 > 3. mailto:[13][16]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 > 4. mailto:[14][17]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 > 5. [15][18]http://www.cs.dartmouth.
   edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 > 6. [16][19]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
 > 7. mailto:[17][20]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 > 8. [18][21]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
 >
 --
   References
 1. mailto:[22]robmackil...@gmail.com
 2. mailto:[23]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 3. mailto:[24]robmackil...@gmail.com
 4. mailto:[25]messina.calog...@free.fr
 5. mailto:[26]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 6. mailto:[27]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 7. [28]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 8. [29]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
 9. mailto:[30]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 10. [31]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
 11. mailto:[32]robmackil...@gmail.com
 12. mailto:[33]messina.calog...@free.fr
 13. mailto:[34]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 14. mailto:[35]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 15. [36]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 16. [37]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
 17. mailto:[38]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 18. [39]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

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References

   1. mailto:jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo

[LUTE] Re: Vocal Scores with Alfabeto

[Rob MacKillop]

   Rocky Mjos has come to the rescue, with many fine scores from his Ning
   page. Well worth a visit. Thank you, Rocky!
   Rob

   On 8 April 2017 at 08:05, Rob MacKillop <[1]robmackil...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

   Yes, I've noticed a conflict between an alfabeto chord and a bass
   continuo figure, for example the alfabeto saying Eb Major, and the bc
   saying Cm - played together they give a rather jazzy Cm7 :-) Which is
   why I was looking for an edited edition, as my student is not at the
   stage where she could make such decisions herself, though the ability
   to do so is something we intend to cover.
   Rob
   > On 8 Apr 2017, at 07:58, David van Ooijen
   <[2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
   >
   >Kapsberger, SPES facsimile. Clear enough, no need for modern
   edition
   >(though you might want to edit the alfabetto a bit to make it
   conform
   >to the continuo bass and figures).
   >
   >David
   >
   >On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 at 08:28, Rob MacKillop
   <[1][3]robmackil...@gmail.com>
   >wrote:
   >
   >  Thanks, Lino. And thanks, David - though not quite what we are
   >  looking for.
   >  Considering how popular and common alfabeto was in the old days,
   >  there are apparently comparatively few scores available today.
   >  Rob
   >>> On 8 Apr 2017, at 06:18, Messina Calogero
   >>  <[2][4]messina.calog...@free.fr> wrote:
   >>
   >> Hi Rob,
   >> Try SPES Edition of Biagio Marini songs. Not modern edition but
   >  very clear
   >> and effective since you have both continuo and alfabeto notation
   >>
   >> Best regards
   >> Lino
   >>
   >>
   >> -Message d'origine-
   >> De : [3][5]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >  [mailto:[4][6]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
   >> de Rob MacKillop
   >> Envoyà © : vendredi 7 avril 2017 21:21
   >> Ã : LuteNet list
   >> Objet : [LUTE] Vocal Scores with Alfabeto
   >>
   >> I'm on the hunt for scores for voice and baroque guitar alfabeto
   >  for a
   >> student, so preferably a modern edited edition. Any suggestions?
   >>
   >> Rob MacKillop
   >>
   >>
   >>
   >> To get on or off this list see list information at
   >> [5][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >>
   >>
   >> ---
   >> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier à ©lectronique a à ©tà ©
   >  và ©rifià ©e par le logiciel antivirus Avast.
   >> [6][8]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
   >
   >--
   >
   >***
   >David van Ooijen
   >[7][9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   >[8][10]www.davidvanooijen.nl
   >***
   >
   >--
   >
   > References
   >
   >1. mailto:[11]robmackil...@gmail.com
   >2. mailto:[12]messina.calog...@free.fr
   >3. mailto:[13]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >4. mailto:[14]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   >5. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   >6. [16]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
   >7. mailto:[17]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   >8. [18]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
   >

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References

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   2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   4. mailto:messina.calog...@free.fr
   5. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   6. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   8. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
   9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
  11. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  12. mailto:messina.calog...@free.fr
  13. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  14. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  16. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
  17. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  18. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Vocal Scores with Alfabeto

[Rob MacKillop]

Yes, I've noticed a conflict between an alfabeto chord and a bass continuo 
figure, for example the alfabeto saying Eb Major, and the bc saying Cm - played 
together they give a rather jazzy Cm7 :-) Which is why I was looking for an 
edited edition, as my student is not at the stage where she could make such 
decisions herself, though the ability to do so is something we intend to cover. 

Rob



> On 8 Apr 2017, at 07:58, David van Ooijen <davidvanooi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>   Kapsberger, SPES facsimile. Clear enough, no need for modern edition
>   (though you might want to edit the alfabetto a bit to make it conform
>   to the continuo bass and figures).
> 
>   David
> 
>   On Sat, 8 Apr 2017 at 08:28, Rob MacKillop <[1]robmackil...@gmail.com>
>   wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Lino. And thanks, David - though not quite what we are
> looking for.
> Considering how popular and common alfabeto was in the old days,
> there are apparently comparatively few scores available today.
> Rob
>>> On 8 Apr 2017, at 06:18, Messina Calogero
>> <[2]messina.calog...@free.fr> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Rob,
>> Try SPES Edition of Biagio Marini songs. Not modern edition but
> very clear
>> and effective since you have both continuo and alfabeto notation
>> 
>> Best regards
>> Lino
>> 
>> 
>> -Message d'origine-
>> De : [3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
> [mailto:[4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
>> de Rob MacKillop
>> Envoyé : vendredi 7 avril 2017 21:21
>> Ã : LuteNet list
>> Objet : [LUTE] Vocal Scores with Alfabeto
>> 
>> I'm on the hunt for scores for voice and baroque guitar alfabeto
> for a
>> student, so preferably a modern edited edition. Any suggestions?
>> 
>> Rob MacKillop
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To get on or off this list see list information at
>> [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été
> vérifiée par le logiciel antivirus Avast.
>> [6]https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 
>   --
> 
>   ***
>   David van Ooijen
>   [7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>   [8]www.davidvanooijen.nl
>   ***
> 
>   --
> 
> References
> 
>   1. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
>   2. mailto:messina.calog...@free.fr
>   3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>   6. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>   7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
>   8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
> 

[LUTE] Re: Vocal Scores with Alfabeto

[Rob MacKillop]

Thanks, Lino. And thanks, David - though not quite what we are looking for. 

Considering how popular and common alfabeto was in the old days, there are 
apparently comparatively few scores available today. 

Rob



> On 8 Apr 2017, at 06:18, Messina Calogero <messina.calog...@free.fr> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rob,
> Try SPES Edition of Biagio Marini songs. Not modern edition but very clear
> and effective since you have both continuo and alfabeto notation
> 
> Best regards
> Lino
> 
> 
> -Message d'origine-
> De : lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] De la part
> de Rob MacKillop
> Envoyé : vendredi 7 avril 2017 21:21
> À : LuteNet list
> Objet : [LUTE] Vocal Scores with Alfabeto
> 
> I'm on the hunt for scores for voice and baroque guitar alfabeto for a
> student, so preferably a modern edited edition. Any suggestions? 
> 
> Rob MacKillop
> 
> 
> 
> To get on or off this list see list information at
> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 
> ---
> L'absence de virus dans ce courrier électronique a été vérifiée par le 
> logiciel antivirus Avast.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> 

[LUTE] Vocal Scores with Alfabeto

[Rob MacKillop]

I'm on the hunt for scores for voice and baroque guitar alfabeto for a student, 
so preferably a modern edited edition. Any suggestions? 

Rob MacKillop



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[LUTE] Re: bass lute strings update

[Rob MacKillop]

   Excellent. Congratulations, Mimmo. I like these strings.
   Rob MacKillop

   On 8 March 2017 at 07:53, Mimmo Peruffo <[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com>
   wrote:

 Dear all,
 I have done the update version of these CD's
 they finally stretch less and slip on the nut very well.
 here is a few examples on the same lute:
 me on my lute (!):
 [2]https://www.facebook.com/mperuffo/videos/10212919284678228/
 with Xavier Diaz (maybe he is a better player than me! Maybe ...ah
 ah ):
 [3]https://www.facebook.com/xavier.diazlatorre/videos/102106418
 15835546/
 I am going to do the mass quantity. take care
 Mimmo
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References

   1. mailto:mperu...@aquilacorde.com
   2. https://www.facebook.com/mperuffo/videos/10212919284678228/
   3. https://www.facebook.com/xavier.diazlatorre/videos/10210641815835546/
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: No problems on my lute! Was: basses in octaves

[Rob MacKillop]

   Very good video, Arto!
   Rob

   On 1 March 2017 at 15:29, Arto Wikla <[1]wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu> wrote:

 Hi lute gang and Bruno
 Bruno and others had problems in getting Aquila loaded nylgut CD and
 normal NNG strings work well in tune, when used as a pair
 fundamental-octave. I have had no problem in this.
 Here is the proof:
   [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmmPulDLVc=youtu.be
 The strings are 140 CD (2.95 Kg) and 66 NNG (2.62 Kg)
 All the best,
 Arto
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References

   1. mailto:wi...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVmmPulDLVc=youtu.be
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: planetary tuners

[Rob MacKillop]

   I have them on a guitar. Wish I didn't. Well-fitting pegs are better.
   Rob

   On 11 February 2017 at 15:59, Roman Turovsky <[1]r.turov...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 A question for the Collective Wisdom:
 Looking for opinions on planetary tuners for lutes or vihuelas,
 cautionary tales, where to get them, which brands, how to install
 etc.
 Thank ye all,
 RT
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References

   1. mailto:r.turov...@gmail.com
   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo repertoire arranged for archlute?

[Rob MacKillop]

   That's what I meant to say, but I was still half asleep...
   Rob

   On 10 Feb 2017 08:34, "Albert Reyerman"
   <[1]albertreyer...@kabelmail.de> wrote:

 Infact the TREE edition shows Visee pieces for theorbo
 arranged for archlute in FRENCH tablature.
 Regards
 Albert Reyerman
 TREE   EDITION
 Albert Reyerman
 Finkenberg 89
 23558 Luebeck
 Germany
 [2]albertreyer...@kabelmail.de
 [3]www.tree-edition.com
 0451 899 78 48
 ---
 Fine Art Paintings
 Anke Reyerman
 [4]www.anke-reyerman.de
 Am 10.02.2017 um 08:10 schrieb Rob MacKillop:

 Check out the publications of Tree Editions. You'll find Robert de
 Visée pieces in Italian tuning.
 Rob
 [5]www.robmackillop.net

 On 9 Feb 2017, at 23:43, Peter Kwasniewski
 <[6]peter.kwasniew...@wyomingcatholiccollege.com> wrote:
My son is renting an archlute from the LSA. He just got it
 yesterday
and has been enjoying it immensely so far, playing his
 Renaissance lute
repertoire on it.
Since I'm the one signed up on this list, he asked me if I would
 ask
you all whether anyone has taken any theorbo pieces and arranged
 them
for archlute? E.g., de Visee's Chaconne in G or Kapsberger's
 Toccata
arpeggiata?
Beyond that, since he is still a rookie at reading Italian
 tablature,
he would also be happy to work on archlute pieces written in
 something
other than Italian tablature.
Thanks for any help or links you can give.
Peter Kwasniewski
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References

   1. mailto:albertreyer...@kabelmail.de
   2. mailto:albertreyer...@kabelmail.de
   3. http://www.tree-edition.com/
   4. http://www.anke-reyerman.de/
   5. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   6. mailto:peter.kwasniew...@wyomingcatholiccollege.com
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Theorbo repertoire arranged for archlute?

[Rob MacKillop]

Check out the publications of Tree Editions. You'll find Robert de Visée pieces 
in Italian tuning.

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

> On 9 Feb 2017, at 23:43, Peter Kwasniewski 
>  wrote:
> 
>   My son is renting an archlute from the LSA. He just got it yesterday
>   and has been enjoying it immensely so far, playing his Renaissance lute
>   repertoire on it.
>   Since I'm the one signed up on this list, he asked me if I would ask
>   you all whether anyone has taken any theorbo pieces and arranged them
>   for archlute? E.g., de Visee's Chaconne in G or Kapsberger's Toccata
>   arpeggiata?
>   Beyond that, since he is still a rookie at reading Italian tablature,
>   he would also be happy to work on archlute pieces written in something
>   other than Italian tablature.
>   Thanks for any help or links you can give.
>   Peter Kwasniewski
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing

[Rob MacKillop]

   Not the best audio, but they do seem more gut-like to me.
   Rob

   On 7 February 2017 at 20:28, Mimmo Peruffo
   <[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:

 Here is:
 the not red bass string that is the 11 course   is those made with
 more stiffer elastomer. the turns on the peg where just half. th
 sound has less sustain and it is powerfull and darker. I am very
 happy with it. The 5 course: the string of that course I am playing
 is made with a stiffer elastomer and have the same quantity of
 copper. I like it a lot: less metallic and indeed less stretchly,
 far more blanced.
 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4s4CkDP580=em-uploa
 d_owner
 well i stop here. I have flu now (thanks London!) it is a pity, I
 would like to start to do the batch soon.
 Mimmo
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   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4s4CkDP580=em-upload_owner
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing

[Rob MacKillop]

   That sounds encouraging!
   Rob

   On 7 Feb 2017 14:27, "Mimmo Peruffo" <[1]mperu...@aquilacorde.com>
   wrote:

 well guys, I think to have good news.
 I am doing, right now, the first few strings using a stiffer
 elasthomer and the same quantity of copper powder. I must admit that
 the process is even easy than before.
 The strings are absolutely no false and pretty even.
 The sound: darker and with less sustain, similar to those of the
 2nd generation of the loaded gut strings (venices charged with
 copper powder).
 They stretch less and they are even   more slippering on the nut-
 grooves.
 I am doing the Meanes now. I have a bit of difficoults but I am not
 worry at all. I will find the way soon.
 This is just a short report.
 I will do a short video for my own Youtube channel.
 ciao
 Mimmo
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   2. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing

[Rob MacKillop]

Second option for me. 

Rob MacKillop

> On 3 Feb 2017, at 07:29, Mimmo Peruffo <mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:
> 
>   Thank you for the suggestion Arto.
>   Unfortunately i cannot do it
>   I already image how confuse the thing will be with the customers.
>   This mean the eford to mannage twice products and honestly I do not
>   like to add cofusion in the factory and with customers already stressed
>   by me!
> 
>   I should do a choice and in fast time: is it better a more elastic
>   string like these are (whith problems related to the fact that maybe
>   stretch tooo much and that the sound is too bright) or it is better to
>   switch to a less elastic plastic support with the advantage that it
>   stretch less, the sound is darker and with less sustain?
>   Hard to do the choice: both solutions are ok; i already tried the
>   second option that is similar to the loaded gut strings
>   Even Anthony Bailes suggested me the second option.
> 
>   Strings or not to strings? this is the question
> 
>   ah ah
>   (my poor english at work)
>   Ciao
>   Mimmo
> 
>   ps
>   which are your suggestion guys?
> 
> 
> 
>   -Messaggio originale-
>   From: Arto Wikla
>   Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2017 9:46 PM
>   To: Mimmo Peruffo ; baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing
> 
>   Dear Mimmo,
> 
>   if you decide to make the loaded nylgut strings (CD) less elastic, I
>   hope (and wish and urge ;-) ) that you keep also the original elastic
>   version in your repertoire! They work exceptionally well on my Harz
>   arclute, great stuff.
> 
>   And big thanks for your invaluable work!
> 
>   Arto
> 
>>   On 02/02/17 14:03, Mimmo Peruffo wrote:
>> Well, seeing this post I have the idea to switch to these stiffer
>   ones.
>> at the end of the day they are closer to those loaded strings made of
>   gut.
>> I will do some samples in advance.
>> Mimmo
> 
> 
> 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Baroque Lute Stringing

[Rob MacKillop]

Hi David,

I'm hugely impressed with the new Aquila Loaded Nylgut - see their website for 
details. After three days they settled quickly into tuning, and I rarely have 
to tweak them. Good sound too. 

Rob MacKillop

> On 1 Feb 2017, at 21:25, David Rastall <d_lu...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> It seems I am back playing Baroque lute once again, after rather a long 
> hiatus.  It’s been long enough that I have forgotten some of the points of 
> conventional wisdom concerning stringing.  I’m playing an 11c lute currently 
> strung with silver-wound basses and Pyramid nylon mids and trebles.  I’m not 
> so much bothered by the sustain of the nylon strings, but if you folks can 
> refresh my memory:  what is the best choice of basses to get a sustain which 
> is not downright thunky or chunky, but has shorter sustain than the 
> silver-wounds?
> 
> David R
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Introduction to the Lute

[Rob MacKillop]

   Delighted to announce the launch of my Introduction to the Lute - for
   Lute and Guitar players!

   [1]https://youtu.be/rheANN8gpVo


   The book contains 31 great tunes, all in both guitar tab and lute
   tablature, from easy to advanced, and sound files for every piece and
   exercise.

   The text deals with finding a lute, resources, technique for both
   hands, learning to read tablature, notes on composers and pieces, etc,
   etc.

   Available as a hard copy book, or online eBook from
   [2]http://www.melbay.com/Products/30589M/introduction-to-the-lute.aspx

   The book is focussed on the six-course Renaissance lute, but has lots
   of tips for guitar players as well.

   Any questions, ask away.

   =

   Well, that's the publicity. The reason behind the book is that the
   folks at Mel Bay quite rightly pointed out that it's not just classical
   guitarists who come to the lute today, many come from rock or acoustic
   fingerpicking guitar as well. And of course some come to the lute as
   their first instrument. I've tried to welcome guitar players, and show
   where there are connections between lute technique and some of the
   techniques they might already have. For instance, it's not unknown for
   players of the 6c lute use left-hand thumb on the 6th course. And many
   fingerpickers on steel-strung guitars play with a thumb-in technique.
   They might use this book to play lute music on their guitar, acoustic
   or electric, but they might also be persuaded to try a real lute.

   I'm particularly pleased that all the music and exercises are recorded
   on a 6c lute. And although guitar tab is included, they are encouraged
   to learn to read lute tablature as well. I've already started using the
   book with a couple of my guitar students, and now they are watching
   lute videos online, and asking interesting questions!

   Rob MacKillop

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References

   1. https://youtu.be/rheANN8gpVo
   2. http://www.melbay.com/Products/30589M/introduction-to-the-lute.aspx


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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

Good comments, Mimmo. I must say I am impressed with the Loaded Nylgut strings, 
and will definitely use them on from 6th to 13th courses. Congratulations on 
creating a very good string. 

Rob



> On 9 Jan 2017, at 07:24, Mimmo Peruffo <mperu...@aquilacorde.com> wrote:
> 
> Well,  a sustain of 20 seconds or so on is very impossible even with modern 
> wound strings, whose density is 5 times plain gut:  i remember that the 
> modern wound strings has the best gain over all the bass strings types. 
> Mersenne wrote that he is mentioning the last bass string; i.e. the ticker.
> In the Harmonie Universelle there are a lot of mistakes. One concerning gut: 
> the Mersenne's calculation give a breacking stress of 19 Kg/ mm2 while it 
> should be of 34 Kg/mm2 almost. And so on with metal wire calculations, the 
> equal tension on harps and spinette etc etc.  One thing is to consider  20 
> second of sound and another thing is that the vibration of the string lasted 
> till 20 seconds.  I am thinking that it is the second case; i.e. the 
> vibration of the string whas so long, not the sound.  So one can hear the 
> sound in the first seconds and then one see the vibration of the string till 
> its stop.
> I think that this is the only interpretetation  that can work.
> In any case, generally speacking, this mean that these basses were very very 
> efficients. The elasticity only is not in condition the explain this 
> behaviour.
> Mimmo
> 
> 
> -Messaggio originale- From: Jean-Marie Poirier
> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 9:46 PM
> To: Christopher Wilke ; Rob MacKillop ; 'Lute List'
> Subject: [LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain
> 
> The exact quotation from Mersenne is :
> "...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la 
> sixiesme partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère 
> du poux d'un homme sain, & sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
> which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute 
> is perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that 
> is to say as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, 
> or twenty times..."
> 
> Amicalement,
> 
> Jean-Marie
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
>>  Hi Rob,
>> 
>>  What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
>>  Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
>> 
>>  Chris
>>  [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>  On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
>>  <robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
>>Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
>>string.
>>[1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
>>  the
>>Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
>>With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
>>you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
>>The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
>>  completely
>>strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
>>On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
>>seconds!!!
>>I'll stick with the Aquila.
>>Rob
>>--
>>  References
>>1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
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>>  [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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>> 
>>  1. https://yho.com/footer0
>>  2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

   Good point, Howard. But still, twenty seconds is a long time. I am
   certainly only interested in the time before clashing with the next
   note or notes takes place, and that of course depends on the passage of
   music. But generally speaking, even if we halve Mersenne's twenty
   seconds, that is still much longer than even the Savarez string.

   On 8 January 2017 at 22:26, howard posner <[1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com>
   wrote:

 > On Jan 8, 2017, at 12:55 PM, Rob MacKillop
 <[2]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
 >
 > So what are we to make of this? The movement in the last decade
 has been to minimise the sustain as long as possible. I'm completely
 on board with this. But if we are to take Mersenne at face value, we
 have been moving in the wrong direction - we should be at least
 doubling the sustain time.
 Could it be that you and Mersenne are talking about different
 things?   You wrote about "useable sustain," which I take to mean
 "how long the note is musically significant or can interfere with
 new notes," or something similar.   Mersenne sounds more like he's
 reporting results of an experiment like the one I just did: pluck
 the string in a quiet room and time how long you can hear it at all,
 which yields a very different number.   Indeed, my total sustain
 time just now was more than double what I would call "useable
 sustain."
 Mersenne was primarily a scientist/mathematician (do a web search on
 him and you'll turn up all sorts of things about prime numbers), so
 we need to be alert to the possibility that he's giving us
 scientific data rather than practical musical information.

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[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

So what are we to make of this? The movement in the last decade has been to 
minimise the sustain as long as possible. I'm completely on board with this. 
But if we are to take Mersenne at face value, we have been moving in the wrong 
direction - we should be at least doubling the sustain time. 

Confused of Edinburgh...



> On 8 Jan 2017, at 20:46, Jean-Marie Poirier <jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
> 
> The exact quotation from Mersenne is : 
> "...le son des grosses chordes de Luth est apperceu de l'oreille durant la 
> sixiesme partie, ou le tiers d'une minute, c'est à dire pendant que l'artère 
> du poux d'un homme sain, & sans emotion bat dix, ou vingt fois..."
> which can be roughly translated by : the sound of the big strings of a Lute 
> is perceived by the ear during the sixth part, or a third of a minute, that 
> is to say as long as the pulse of a healthy man, without emotion, beats ten, 
> or twenty times..."
> 
> Amicalement,
> 
> Jean-Marie
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
>>  Hi Rob,
>> 
>>  What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
>>  Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
>> 
>>  Chris
>>  [1]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>> 
>>  On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
>>  <robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
>>Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
>>string.
>>[1][2]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
>>  the
>>Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
>>With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
>>you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
>>The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
>>  completely
>>strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
>>On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
>>seconds!!!
>>I'll stick with the Aquila.
>>Rob
>>--
>>  References
>>1. [3]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  To get on or off this list see list information at
>>  [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
>> 
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>> 
>> References
>> 
>>  1. https://yho.com/footer0
>>  2. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  3. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
>>  4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
> 
> 

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

   Excellent. I'd appreciate a good translation of the French...

   Rob

   On 8 Jan 2017, at 19:33, David Morales
   <[1]dmorale...@cuerdaspulsadas.com> wrote:

   Yes, we have some quotes and images on our blog related to that topic
   in the interview with M. Peruffo regarding these loaded strings.
   Check it out here:
   [2]http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-by-
   aquila-corde/
   Copied here:
   --

   Let's take a look at [3]Harmonie universelle, contenant la théorie et
   la pratique de la musique, written by Marin Mersenne and published in
   Paris in 1636. It represented the sum of musical knowledge during his
   lifetime (available [4]at gallica).

   Here, Mersenne give us some clues about the sound of the bass strings:
 * D'abondant l'on experimente que les airs des Balets & des Violons
   existent dauantage à raison de leur gayeté qui vient de la
   promptitude de leurs
   movements, ou de leurs sons aigus, que les  airs que l'on joué sur
   le Luth, ou sur les basses de Violes, lesquels sont pour
   l'ordinaire plus graves & plus languissans .

 * Quant au nombre des retours de chaque chorde, il est tres-grand
   auant qu'elle se repose, car il est certain qu elle sc meut
   tousiours tandis que Ton en oyt le son, ôc que le son des grosses
   chordes de Luth est apperceu de Toreille durant la sixiesme partie,
   ou le tiers d'vne minute , c'est à dire pendant que Tartere du poux
   d'vn homme sain, ôc íàns émotion bat dix, ou vingt fois: de sorte
   qu'il ne reste qu'à remarquer combien de fois la chorde bat Tair
   dans vne seconde minute, pour sçauoir combien elle le frappe auant
   que de se repose

   Regards.
   2017-01-08 20:23 GMT+01:00 Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>:

I was being lazy. He doesn't mention seconds, rather heart beats,
 if I
remember correctly. Hopefully someone can supply the original.
Rob
On 8 Jan 2017, at 18:54, Christopher Wilke
 <[1][6]chriswi...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Hi Rob,
What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second
 sustain?
Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no
 avail.
Chris
[2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
<[3][7]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:
  Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new
 Aquila
  Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core
 bass
  string.
  [1][4][8]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable
 sustain on
the
  Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8
 seconds.
  With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much
 every note
  you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
  The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
completely
  strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very
 close.
  On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost
 20
  seconds!!!
  I'll stick with the Aquila.
  Rob
  --
References
  1. [5][9]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
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2. [12]https://yho.com/footer0
3. mailto:[13]robmackil...@gmail.com
4. [14]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
5. [15]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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   2. 
http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/new-loaded-synthetic-bass-strings-by-aquila-corde/
   3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmonie_universelle
   4. http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k5471093v.r=.langFR
   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   6. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
   7. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   8. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   9. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  10. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  11. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
  12. https://yho.com/footer0
  13. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  14. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  15. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
  16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  17. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.com/
  18. mailto:h...@cuerdaspulsadas.com
  19. http://www.cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog
  20. http://cuerdaspulsadas.es/blog/agenda/
  21. http://

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

   I was being lazy. He doesn't mention seconds, rather heart beats, if I
   remember correctly. Hopefully someone can supply the original.

   Rob

   On 8 Jan 2017, at 18:54, Christopher Wilke <[1]chriswi...@yahoo.com>
   wrote:

   Hi Rob,
   What exactly is the quote in Mersenne about the 20 second sustain?
   Although my French is very poor, I've attempted to find it to no avail.
   Chris
   [2]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

   On Sunday, January 8, 2017, 10:59 AM, Rob MacKillop
   <[3]robmackil...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][4]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1. [5]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   To get on or off this list see list information at
   [6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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   1. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
   2. https://yho.com/footer0
   3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   4. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   5. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

   The complete opposite for me, John :-) At least we have a choice now. I
   don't want to spend half my time stopping every bass note from ringing
   on too long.

   Rob
   [1]www.robmackillop.net

   On 8 Jan 2017, at 17:59, John Mardinly <[2]john.mardi...@asu.edu>
   wrote:

 No contest-I use and love the Savarez (on my 8-course) not just
 because of the sustain, but they pick up the vibrations from the
 treble strings and give an ethereal sound to the instrument. It's
 like having your own cathedral at home without the expense.

   A. John Mardinly, Ph.D., P.E.
   Retired Principal Materials Nanoanalysis Engineer
   EMail: [3]john.mardi...@asu.edu
   Cell: [4]408-921-3253 (does not work in TEM labs)
   But don't call the lab….I won't be there!

   On Jan 8, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Rob MacKillop <[5]robmackil...@gmail.com>
   wrote:

 Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
 Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
 string.
 [1][6]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8
   FVJMk-5FXjv0=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=M
   AuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKGb8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxg
   s2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=vK-hlBzsEByZNXDC5i5LH-YYypqOI8SeRkGnBq_bAco=
 My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on
   the
 Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
 With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
 you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
 The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c
   completely
 strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
 On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
 seconds!!!
 I'll stick with the Aquila.
 Rob
 --
   References
 1.
   [7]https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8FVJMk
   -5FXjv0=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvn
   WTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKGb8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxgs2r40
   18W6q7RfkDRM=vK-hlBzsEByZNXDC5i5LH-YYypqOI8SeRkGnBq_bAco=
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   .edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Eji
   z41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKG
   b8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxgs2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=0XK1Wa-RCG8wfXXk9ngP0lxby6vG
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   1. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   2. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   3. mailto:john.mardi...@asu.edu
   4. tel:408-921-3253
   5. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   6. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8FVJMk-5FXjv0=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKGb8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxgs2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=vK-hlBzsEByZNXDC5i5LH-YYypqOI8SeRkGnBq_bAco=
   7. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_8FVJMk-5FXjv0=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKGb8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxgs2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=vK-hlBzsEByZNXDC5i5LH-YYypqOI8SeRkGnBq_bAco=
   8. 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.cs.dartmouth.edu_-7Ewbc_lute-2Dadmin_index.html=DQIBAg=AGbYxfJbXK67KfXyGqyv2Ejiz41FqQuZFk4A-1IxfAU=MAuGvnWTcVQkxORgQD0QS50ZicPM3Nw-61ygSK-LNEQ=NKGb8KFtR8fCEKGtEBxMo1-yxgs2r4018W6q7RfkDRM=0XK1Wa-RCG8wfXXk9ngP0lxby6vGAnwva6IfQbx-rWM=

[LUTE] Aquila Loaded Nylgut sustain

[Rob MacKillop]

   Here's a very short video comparing the sustain time of a new Aquila
   Loaded Nylgut string and a Savarez copper-wound nylon-silk core bass
   string.
   [1]https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0
   My ears hear better than the microphone, and the useable sustain on the
   Aquila string is 4 seconds, while the Savarez is a long 8 seconds.
   With the Savarez, you will be required to stop pretty much every note
   you play in the bass. With the Aquila, less so.
   The Aquila do remind me of gut basses. I used to have an 11c completely
   strung in gut, and these loaded nylgut strings are very, very close.
   On the other hand...Mersenne says his basses sustain for almost 20
   seconds!!!
   I'll stick with the Aquila.
   Rob

   --

References

   1. https://youtu.be/8FVJMk_Xjv0


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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: John Lawrence in Accords Nouveaux tuning

[Rob MacKillop]

Wonderful stuff, Bernhard. His is a new name to me, and I like what I hear. The 
whole Accords Nouveaux is an interesting area, with some good, and some not so 
good pieces. I think Lawrence wrote some fine music, so thank you for bringing 
it to our attention. And well played too!

Rob


> On 5 Jan 2017, at 12:48, Fischer BE (Aon)  wrote:
> 
> Dear lute friends,
> 
> I have completed my home amateur recordings of a suite in g minor composed
> by Mr. John Lawrence. The four pieces are written in the lute tablature
> manuscript MS Egerton 2046 (British Library, London). All pieces are in the
> Accords Nouveaux ’Tuning Lawrence’ (g’,d’,b,g,d,A,G,F,Es,D,C) as it is named
> in the manuscript (the manuscript dates from 1615 to 1635 and is known for
> its famous renaissance lute pieces).
> The four pieces are: A Ballat (https://youtu.be/L9aYxKsh9GU), a Coranto
> (https://youtu.be/0r917fCRjaI), a Sarabande (https://youtu.be/HqJVrMH4mQo),
> and a Pavane (https://youtu.be/iXbCMmhuv-E).
> Between 1625 and 1634, John Lawrence has been a musician for the lutes and
> voices at the English court of King Charles I in London. It is known that
> Lawrence’s position in the ’Symphony’ at the court of King Charles I was the
> treble lute, and his salary was £10.
> I look forward to your comment and suggestions.
> 
> Happy New Year from Vienna,
> Bernhard.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[LUTE] Re: Baroque lute Tunings

[Rob MacKillop]

John, he just means tuning the bass notes, the diapasons, to the key of the 
piece. So, if a piece is in C major, the bass strings would be ABCDEFG. If the 
key is F, the bass strings would be ABbCDEFG, because Bb is in the key 
signature of F Major. Similarly, for G Major, the bass strings would be 
ABCDEF#G, as F# is in the key signature. Comprende? 

Rob



> On 5 Jan 2017, at 13:05, John Yentes  wrote:
> 
>   Hello All,
>   I recently acquired Miguel Yisrael's fantastic Book "method for the
>   Baroque lute" and have found it to be a wealth of information.   I am,
>   however puzzled by one piece of information I can not figure out.
>   When the book first starts getting into the pieces, I noticed the first
>   one says "Tuning FM" which I am assuming is F major.   I could not find
>   a detailed list of different tunings for the baroque lute as I assumed
>   that the primary tuning was Dm all the time.   Can someone explain to
>   me or refer me to a source where I can read about alternate tunings and
>   how to achieve them?   Would I need different strings for this?   Any
>   help would be appreciated.   As always,  thank you so much for your
>   help.
>   John
> 
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[LUTE] Support My Lute Website

[Rob MacKillop]

   Hello fellow lutars...
   My website  [1]https://scottishlute.com  is a free site. It's full name
   is The Scottish Lute Recording Project, and I have been recording the
   extant repertoire in mp3 form for free play. Each manuscript has its
   own page, with a SoundCloud player. You can play all the recordings
   from the page, or download the free SoundCloud app to hear them on your
   phone, tablet, etc.
   The Balcarres page alone has over over 80 pieces - the equivalent of
   four CDs. My intention is to record the entire publication of well over
   200 pieces.
   All the other Scottish lute manuscripts have their own page.
   It's an ongoing project, which I have funded myself since 2011. But it
   has been a rocky road, with the buying and selling of instruments as
   finances fluctuated. It has been made aware to me by some kind people
   that they would wish to support me in my endeavours  - so I have
   created a secure PayPal "Support Rob" link on the first page of the
   site, and a Support page.
   I am also working through the repertoire for the Scottish wire-strung
   "guittar" at this site:  [2]https://scottishguittar.com  should you be
   interested in that as well.
   Thanks in advance! Please share this message if you can.
   Rob

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[LUTE] Re: New lutenist looking for a first instrument

[Rob MacKillop]

Don't they have a big heavy bridge, the type used on ouds?

Rob



> On 4 Nov 2016, at 12:23, sterling price  wrote:
> 
>   Hi John--I have had -4- of the Sandi lutes and I must say that they are
>   pretty great. Not just great for the price but great lutes. They do
>   need bigger frets and better strings but once you do that you have a
>   great lute. I would totally recommend their 13 course lute. I had one
>   but I sold it to a student who needed one, so now I am thinking of
>   buying another one. Don't let the low price deter you. I also have
>   their 6 course and 9 course as well as the 14 course attiorbato.
>   Happy Luting--
>   Sterling
> __
> 
>   From: Jack 
>   To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
>   Sent: Friday, November 4, 2016 3:23 AM
>   Subject: [LUTE] New lutenist looking for a first instrument
>   Hello all,
>   My name is John Yentes.  I have been a classical guitarist and violist
>   for many years (among many other instruments) and am beginning my foray
>   into the world of the lute.  I am currently living in Japan and am
>   wondering if anyone knows of or is selling a used instrument that I
>   could purchase or perhaps if you might also know of some less expensive
>   luthiers for decent quality instruments.  I don't mind buying something
>   a bit less than perfect as I have already resigned myself to the idea
>   of visiting a professional who can adjust the instrument for my own
>   specific needs.  I'm looking for an 8 course lute or perhaps a baroque
>   lute.  I'm not quite sure which I would prefer to start with, but I
>   would be very grateful for any information I could acquire in regards
>   to the pros and cons of starting on either instrument respectively in
>   regard to my previous experience as a guitarist .  My budget is only
>   about 1500 dollars. I have found some lutes on eBay from a Turkish
>   maker named Sa!
>   adettin Sandi and his son.  Apparently they are of fairly good quality
>   from what I have read.  I have also been considering some instruments
>   from the early music shop.  If anyone could provide any info for me, I
>   would greatly appreciate it.  I enjoy listening to music from the
>   Italian renaissance such as Piccinnini and I also enjoy Dowland quite a
>   bit.  I am well versed in the works of baroque music available for the
>   lute as well though, so perhaps what I am after is an instrument that
>   can play a bit of everything or at least has some degree of
>   versatility.  Thanks for reading and I hope to hear back from some of
>   you.
>   John
>   Sent from my iPhone
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> References
> 
>   1. file:///net/people/lute-arc/L14678-805TMP.html
> 

[LUTE] Re: Francesco da Milano

[Rob MacKillop]

   Stephen, you continue to amaze and inspire me. Yes, you are not Nigel
   North or some other name player, but you are a good player with
   laudable humility, and I am very happy to sit here doing my emails and
   Facebook rants ;-) while listening to your playlist. It is reminding me
   what a fine composer Francesco was. It's a beautiful morning, 6.50am.
   The sun is shining, and the birds are chirping, as is Francesco. Thank
   you for your efforts!
   Rob MacKillop

   On 13 May 2016 at 22:13, stephen arndt <[1]stephenwar...@verizon.net>
   wrote:

Dear Lute Friends,
A number of years ago, I checked out Arthur Ness's edition of
 Francesco
da Milano from a local university music library and made myself a
French tab version of the fantasies and ricercars (Ness 1a91)
 since,
like many people, I find French tab easier to read than Italian
 tab.
(Dick Hoban kindly proofread my work and made corrections. If any
errors remain, they are entirely mine.) I have played through
 these
pieces every so often and finally decided some five months ago to
 try
to record them. Today I finished that project and invite you to
 listen
here:

 [1][2]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/renaissance-lute/francesco-da
 -milan
o-fantasie-e-ricercari/ (to hear an individual piece, click on
 its
title; to listen to the entire collection, use the playlist at
 the very
bottom of the page).
It was my intention to record the easier and shorter pieces first
 and
then to proceed according to the level of difficulty and length.
Although I did not fulfill that intention as well as I would have
liked, and though the two categories overlap (some shorter pieces
 are
rather difficult, and some longer ones are fairly easy), that
 approach
still served as a kind of lute tutor, and I feel that my overall
 skill
level improved as I made my way through the collection. It is a
 method
I would recommend to anyone.
After years of subscribing to this list, I recognize the names of
 most
of those who post here and assume that most people recognize
 mine, even
though I do not post very frequently. Nevertheless, if anyone is
 new to
the list, I feel obligated to add that these are the home
 recordings of
an amateur, self-taught musician. Please do not expect
 professional
quality of either the recordings or the playing. Bearing that in
 mind,
please feel free to leave a comment on my website or to e-mail me
 with
your feedback. I would love to hear from anyone who is kind
 enough to
listen. It might make nice background music while you are reading
 or
going through e-mails.
Best regards,
Stephen Arndt
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 References
1.
 [3]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/renaissance-lute/francesco-da-mi
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   3. 
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[LUTE] Re: John come kiss me now

[Rob MacKillop]

Paul O'Dette contacted me for copies of the two Scottish cittern manuscripts 
shortly before he made that recording. I faxed him pages from the 
Millar/Macalman and Robert Edwards mss, the latter of which includes John Come 
Kiss Me Nou.

You can here my recording of it, and others from these two manuscripts, here:

https://soundcloud.com/robmackillop/sets/17th-century-scottish-cittern

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

> On 19 Sep 2015, at 04:01, Nancy Carlin  
> wrote:
> 
> Julia Craig-McFeely lists 3 manuscripts with this in it
> 
> Cosens 69v-70v
> ML 11v-12
> Welde 10v-11 - a duet part
> 
> The ML and Cosens are almost the same except for all the ornaments in the ML 
> version. The Cosens version is on Sarge Gerbode's website.
> Nancy
> 
> 
>>Can someone direct me to the source of this title as played by O'Dette
>>on the album 'Robin Hood'?
>>Thanks!
>>Sterling
>> 
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[LUTE] What If A Day lyrics

[Rob MacKillop]

Does anyone have any idea what the following excerpt from What If A Day Or A 
Month Or A Year means? It has left me scratching my head...

"Earthes but a point to the world, and a man
Is but a point to the worlds compared centure:
Shall then a point of a point be so vaine
As to triumph in a seely points adventure?"

Rob

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[LUTE] Re: What If A Day lyrics

[Rob MacKillop]

   Thanks, all. I get the picture, and it's what I was thinking, but it
   could be clearer!
   Rob

   On 10 September 2015 at 13:15, Ron Andrico <[1]praelu...@hotmail.com>
   wrote:

  The text seems to play upon the correspondence of macrocosm /
  microcosm, a topic much discussed in Elizabethan times.   You could
   wade
  through the rather involved but useful descriptions happily digested
   in
  Tillyard's The Elizabethan World Picture and draw your own
   conclusions.
  Of course, Elizabethan philosophy was a mashup of Classical ideas,
   Old
  Testament gloom and doom, New Testament redemption, and an intricate
  dance around contemporary political current events.
  I think the text rather echoes Montaigne:
  "Who have persuaded [man] that this admirable moving of heavens
   vaults,
  that the eternal light of these lampes so fiercely rowling over his
  head, that the horror-moving and continuall motion of this infinite
  vaste ocean were established, and continue so many ages for his
  commoditie and service? Is it possible to imagine so ridiculous as
   this
  miserable and wretched creature, which is not so much as master of
  himselfe, exposed and subject to offences of all things, and yet
   dareth
  call himself Master and Emperor."
  - Montaigne, Essais, Livre II, Chapitre XII: Apologie de Raimond de
  Sebonde
  But I find the dual meaning of "point" in the poetry an interesting
  conceit; both a location and, as in music, a theme "wrested this way
  and that" in counterpoint.   In the poet's context, the "world"
   seems to
  be the equivalent of the universe.
  RA
  > Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 10:28:31 +0100
  > To: [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
  > From: [3]robmackil...@gmail.com
  > Subject: [LUTE] What If A Day lyrics
  >
  > Does anyone have any idea what the following excerpt from What If
   A
  Day Or A Month Or A Year means? It has left me scratching my head...
  >
  > "Earthes but a point to the world, and a man
  > Is but a point to the worlds compared centure:
  > Shall then a point of a point be so vaine
  > As to triumph in a seely points adventure?"
  >
  > Rob
  >
  > [4]www.robmackillop.net
  >
  >
  >
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   1. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
   2. mailto:lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
   3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   4. http://www.robmackillop.net/
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[LUTE] 2 Lutes and 8-string Stauufer-style guitar FOR SALE

[Rob MacKillop]

   FOR SALE - 8-string 19th-century, Viennese Stauffer-style guitar, made
   by Canadian luthier, and 19th-century guitar specialist,  [1]Scot
   Tremblay. In excellent condition, including a beautiful case.

   The guitar is with me in Scotland, but I will ship it most places once
   payment is secured.

   The cost is -L-2,000 - shipping with insurance will be extra, of
   course.

   This is the first video I made with it when only one week old, in
   February 2013.
   [2]https://youtu.be/eCPDqNGpg8I?list=PL44932120F5F2066C

   I am also selling two lutes by Bill Samson, a 10c and an 11c, but more
   about them in a couple of days' time.

   Lots more videos on my website:
   [3]http://rmclassicalguitar.com/19th-century/

   Rob MacKillop

   Edinburgh

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References

   1. https://www.facebook.com/scot.tremblay
   2. https://youtu.be/eCPDqNGpg8I?list=PL44932120F5F2066C
   3. http://rmclassicalguitar.com/19th-century/


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[LUTE] Re: No place to plant your little finger...

[Rob MacKillop]

   I've played lute in a few situations where fret lights would have been
   most welcome!

   On 15 August 2015 at 18:37, Daniel F. Heiman
   [1]heiman.dan...@juno.com wrote:

but it is almost as light as a lute.
[1][2]https://youtu.be/n3g4j0ERp5M
Daniel
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   2. https://youtu.be/n3g4j0ERp5M
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[LUTE] Re: Addendum

[Rob MacKillop]

Well said, young man!

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 21 Jul 2015, at 17:39, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
   I feel the need to add a clarifying remark my statement that when a
   service is free then YOU are the product.
   This discussion list, hosted by Wayne Cripps and his servers, is in
   fact a freely available service that does not, to my knowledge, mine
   personal information from its users.
   It's been a while since we all thanked Wayne publicly for providing
   this forum, and for taking steps to protect its users.  The lute-list
   is a much appreciated remnant of old-school egalitarianism.
   Thanks, Wayne.
   RA
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 14:58:03 +
 To: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp; dwinh...@lmi.net
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: praelu...@hotmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: xx problem
 
 Ed, you'll recall that I made the suggestion off-list, and that I
 qualified the suggestion with the statement that I do NOT use the
 data-mining service. As far as I can tell, any positive uses the
 service may have had are negated by the nature and quantity of
   personal
 information it robs from public interactions and private mail
 accounts. As usual, when a service is free then YOU are the product.
 RA
 Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 23:28:39 +0900
 To: dwinh...@lmi.net
 CC: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: edurb...@sea.plala.or.jp
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: xx problem
 
 x seems to be a fairly useless thing for me. The main use Ive
 made of it is to grab friends pictures to put in my address book. I
 never endorse people anymore because then I just get bothered by more
 and more messages. However, I did reach Terry through x sparked
 by Rons suggestion.
 
 On Jul 21, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:
 
 To Terry Schumacher and anyone else on xx-
 
 I no longer have an account on x. Please stop x (if
 possible) from bothering me with contact/endorsement  other
   requests.
 Nothing personal, hostile, reclusive or anything; I just no longer
   have
 an account with x- it provides nothing of any personal or
 professional use to me. I can always be contacted through this elist
   if
 you do not have my personal email address.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Dan
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[LUTE] Re: My web site

[Rob MacKillop]

Dear Monica, the web address you gave works, but I created for you an easier 
one to remember:

http://monicahall.co.uk

Best wishes,

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 4 Jul 2015, at 11:27, Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk wrote:
 
 For those of you who are interested...
 My web site - www.monicahall2.wordpress.com now has on it an extended study
 of Corbetta - the best of all in the words of Sanz and in my estimation
 too.
 The highlights of this are
 1.  An extended biography - I have collected together all the information
 currently known about his life and added a few snippets which I myself
 have discovered in the process and tried to set it out in coherant
 chronological order.
 
 2. A parellel translation of the Italian and French prefaces from La
 guitarre royale (1671) with his tablature example set out in a way which
 makes it possible to compare the two.
 
 It also includes translations of the instructions to the player from his
 four other books with examples and commentary.
 
 You will find it by clicking on the heading Corbetta on the home page
 preceding the edition of his manuscript pieces.
 
 It is all free!   Not sure that Ron would approve of that after reading his
 last post but not belonging to the musical establishment or being part of
 anyone's business model this is the only way I can make my efforts
 available - not to mention expose them to publis scrutiny.
 
 Feel free to comment - but I am not likely to update this monumental work
 any time soon.
 
 But a monumental vote of Thanks to Rob who has made it all possible.
 
 Regards to all
 Monica
 
 www.monicahall2.wordpress.com 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   Thanks for the comments. Yes, Steve Herberman is dealing mainly with
   contrapuntal devices. How well they they would transfer to Dm tuning
   remains to be discovered. I have seen many harpsichord players rip
   through similar devices many times, and have been duly impressed. I
   once joked to a harpsichord player Now do it a semitone higher, and
   without batting an eyelid, he did...Steve Herberman and Ted Greene are
   the only guys I have seen who can do that on a guitar, which is closer
   to the lute than a harpsichord. The thing is, Steve has worked out a
   system. I might buy the course to see how he does it.
   So much for contrapuntal improv. What about the topic of introducing
   improv ideas and concepts to post beginners? I'd like to see improv
   becoming more normal in our learning process, not something to put off
   until you have hopefully mastered the instrument (as that will never
   happen). For this to happen, we need educational material at stepped
   levels. Something for our lute societies, perhaps?
   Rob

   On 2 July 2015 at 07:05, David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   wrote:

This time a reply after watching the video (test question: What's
 the
colour of Steve's cat?).
What I saw was Steve playing written-out formulae in a baroque
 style,
cycling through many keys. What Chris referred to as 'don't be
 afraid
to copy' and 'learning many licks', or similar wording, anyway,
 the
usual jazz teaching method. In the end Steve plays a written-out
single-line exercise and a written out contrapuntal exercise.
 Whether a
student will be able to use this in his improvisation to go
 beyond the
formulae, is up to the student, but he will be given the harmonic
 and
contrapuntal tools   on the fingerboard as opposed to just on
 paper   to
do so. Yes, it would be great to have this for dm-lute, and I
 don't
think it would be all that much work to make. Some years ago I
 made a
few beginners' lessons for playing continuo on dm-lute (on-line
 on my
website for those interested). There are historical dm continuo
 lessons
by Perrine and in the Prague University Library Ms. II Kk 51. But
 these
are all harmony oriented, and Steve's approach is focused on
contrapuntal cadences and formulae. Keyboard players (notably
 organ
players) are still trained in improvising contrapuntal
 compositions. I
have a classical guitar colleague who liked to improvise baroque
counterpoint. To call it fugues would be stretching it, but his
contrapuntal fantasies were convincing enough. I don't think it
 should
be taken as a goal though, when so much better composers wrote so
 much
better music. But it would be a great tool in understanding
 music, in
gaining fluency on the dm-fingerboard and in playing more
contrapuntal/more interesting continuo.
Closest historical source I can think of is the Italian ms with
written-out cadenses and 'licks' for theorbo.
David
***
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On 1 July 2015 at 14:49, Rob MacKillop
 [3][4]robmackil...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I've long thought that there was something missing from the
 way
most of
 us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar.
 Some of
us
 have studied figured bass playing, it's something I
 particularly
 enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But
 rarely do
we
 step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very,
 very
small
 percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint
 in Dm
 tuning.

 I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar
 heroes, Steve
 Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque.
 You
have to
 buy the class, but an overview video is available:

 [1][4][5]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ

 It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to
 the Dm
lute.
 One would really get to know the instrument and tuning
 well, and
 discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be
 used in
 improvising fugues or dance movements.

 I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.

 Rob MacKillop

 [2][5][6]www.robmackillop.net

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[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   Not to forget the great Ted Greene: [1]http://youtu.be/Zkuo2384ZN4

   Rob
   [2]www.robmackillop.net

   On 1 Jul 2015, at 13:49, Rob MacKillop [3]robmackil...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 I've long thought that there was something missing from the way most
   of
 us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar. Some of us
 have studied figured bass playing, it's something I particularly
 enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But rarely do we
 step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very, very small
 percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint in Dm
 tuning.
 I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes, Steve
 Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque. You have
   to
 buy the class, but an overview video is available:
 [1][4]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to the Dm
   lute.
 One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well, and
 discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be used in
 improvising fugues or dance movements.
 I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.
 Rob MacKillop
 [2][5]www.robmackillop.net
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   7. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   I've long thought that there was something missing from the way most of
   us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar. Some of us
   have studied figured bass playing, it's something I particularly
   enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But rarely do we
   step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very, very small
   percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint in Dm
   tuning.

   I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes, Steve
   Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque. You have to
   buy the class, but an overview video is available:

   [1]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ

   It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to the Dm lute.
   One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well, and
   discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be used in
   improvising fugues or dance movements.

   I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.

   Rob MacKillop

   [2]www.robmackillop.net

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   1. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   2. http://www.robmackillop.net/


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[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   Danny, that's just dumb.
   Rob

   On 1 July 2015 at 15:25, Daniel Shoskes [1]kidneykut...@gmail.com
   wrote:

   I'm not sure of the value, but I do know that Pat O'B would have some
   comments on his left hand technique. Pronate more and your 4th
   finger is stuck in the land where notes don't live!!
On Jul 1, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Rob MacKillop [2]robmackil...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   
   I've long thought that there was something missing from the way
   most of
   us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar. Some of
   us
   have studied figured bass playing, it's something I particularly
   enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But rarely do
   we
   step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very, very
   small
   percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint in Dm
   tuning.
   
   I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes, Steve
   Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque. You
   have to
   buy the class, but an overview video is available:
   
   [1][3]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   
   It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to the Dm
   lute.
   One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well, and
   discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be used in
   improvising fugues or dance movements.
   
   I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.
   
   Rob MacKillop
   
   [2][4]www.robmackillop.net
   
   --
   
References
   
   1. [5]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   2. [6]http://www.robmackillop.net/
   
   
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   1. mailto:kidneykut...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   4. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   5. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   6. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   Again, David, it's not about doing jazz or being influenced by mass.
   Steve just happens to be a jazz player. But he is on our territory,
   and getting amazing results by applying a few concepts and principles.
   Forget jazz - this topic has nothing to do with it.
   Rob

   On 1 July 2015 at 15:27, David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   wrote:

I enjoy improvising continuo and I enjoy improvising jazz. But I
 find
when I mix these I tend to bring in style elements from one to
 the
other. That's not always appreciated.   In Renaissance music I
 enjoy
improvising short   solo pieces, nothing big, nothing serious but
something appropriate   for the spot in the programme. I enjoy
 the
freedom and the spontaneity. Results vary, obviously, but improve
 with
practise.
David
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Rob MacKillop
 [1][2]robmackil...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I've long thought that there was something missing from the
 way
  most of
 us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar.
 Some
  of us
 have studied figured bass playing, it's something I
 particularly
 enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But
 rarely do
  we
 step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very,
 very
  small
 percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint
 in Dm
 tuning.
 I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes,
  Steve
 Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque.
 You
  have to
 buy the class, but an overview video is available:
 [1][2][3]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to
 the Dm
  lute.
 One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well,
 and
 discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be
 used
  in
 improvising fugues or dance movements.
 I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.
 Rob MacKillop
 [2][3][4]www.robmackillop.net
 --
  References
 1. [4][5]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 2. [5][6]http://www.robmackillop.net/
  To get on or off this list see list information at
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David van Ooijen
[7][8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[8][9]www.davidvanooijen.nl
***
--
 References
1. mailto:[10]robmackil...@gmail.com
2. [11]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
3. [12]http://www.robmackillop.net/
4. [13]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
5. [14]http://www.robmackillop.net/
6. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. mailto:[16]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
8. [17]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

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References

   1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   4. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   5. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   6. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   8. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   9. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
  10. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  11. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
  12. http://www.robmackillop.net/
  13. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
  14. http://www.robmackillop.net/
  15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  16. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  17. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   influenced by mass - I meant jazz!

   On 1 July 2015 at 15:51, Rob MacKillop [1]robmackil...@gmail.com
   wrote:

   Again, David, it's not about doing jazz or being influenced by mass.
   Steve just happens to be a jazz player. But he is on our territory,
   and getting amazing results by applying a few concepts and principles.
   Forget jazz - this topic has nothing to do with it.
   Rob

   On 1 July 2015 at 15:27, David van Ooijen [2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   wrote:

I enjoy improvising continuo and I enjoy improvising jazz. But I
 find
when I mix these I tend to bring in style elements from one to
 the
other. That's not always appreciated.   In Renaissance music I
 enjoy
improvising short   solo pieces, nothing big, nothing serious but
something appropriate   for the spot in the programme. I enjoy
 the
freedom and the spontaneity. Results vary, obviously, but improve
 with
practise.
David
On Wednesday, July 1, 2015, Rob MacKillop
 [1][3]robmackil...@gmail.com
wrote:
 I've long thought that there was something missing from the
 way
  most of
 us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar.
 Some
  of us
 have studied figured bass playing, it's something I
 particularly
 enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But
 rarely do
  we
 step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very,
 very
  small
 percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint
 in Dm
 tuning.
 I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes,
  Steve
 Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque.
 You
  have to
 buy the class, but an overview video is available:
 [1][2][4]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to
 the Dm
  lute.
 One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well,
 and
 discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be
 used
  in
 improvising fugues or dance movements.
 I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.
 Rob MacKillop
 [2][3][5]www.robmackillop.net
 --
  References
 1. [4][6]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 2. [5][7]http://www.robmackillop.net/
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [6][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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***
David van Ooijen
[7][9]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
[8][10]www.davidvanooijen.nl
***
--
 References
1. mailto:[11]robmackil...@gmail.com
2. [12]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
3. [13]http://www.robmackillop.net/
4. [14]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
5. [15]http://www.robmackillop.net/
6. [16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
7. mailto:[17]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
8. [18]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

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References

   1. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   3. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   4. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   5. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   6. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   7. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   9. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  10. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
  11. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  12. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
  13. http://www.robmackillop.net/
  14. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
  15. http://www.robmackillop.net/
  16. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  17. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  18. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   Chris,
   I'm very happy to provide you the opportunity to promote your latest
   disc, which is wonderful. More power to you.
   However, my discussion is more about the concepts Steve uses, which are
   not jazz, and how we should be studying them on a baroque lute. I'm not
   sure from what you say that you have had a chance to look at the video.
   His whole approach is something we could apply to the baroque lute, or
   Italian archlute, AS WE ARE LEARNING the instrument. It doesn't have to
   be super advanced.
   Rob

   On 1 July 2015 at 15:15, Christopher Wilke [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com
   wrote:

   Rob,
   Thanks for being this up. I did my minor at Eastman in jazz guitar,
   thinking it might also help me with improvising early music. The
   results have been mixed.
   I included some improvised sections on my latest baroque lute album.
   The most extended stretches are in the varied repeats I made for the
   slow movements in the Bach BWV 995 suite. In those situations there is
   a clear model coming from the composer's original. This is actually not
   so far from what jazzers do. I'm reminded of Thelonious Monk's
   admonition that a soloist should always be mentally hearing the head
   while soloing over the changes. I also included several cadenzas, which
   are more free form but involve developing a motif.
   Ultimately, jazz studies haven't been very helpful to me in baroque
   improvising. I learned about the process, especially in not being
   afraid to copy! (Jazzers spend countless hours copying licks from
   recordings.) However, the idioms are just so different that few things
   transferred without major adjustment. This is to be expected. It's kind
   of like learning Hungarian and being surprised that it doesn't directly
   apply to taking up Spanish. Musical styles have changed so much in the
   past hundreds of years, why would one expect that there be one
   universally applicable approach to improvisation?
   For those interested, my album is available from CD Baby at the link
   below. Unfortunately, the samples their algorithm has selected don't
   include much of the improvisations mentioned above.
   [2]http://www.cdbaby.com/m/cd/christopherwilke12
   Chris
   [3]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone

 At Jul 1, 2015, 8:53:14 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote:

   I've long thought that there was something missing from the way most of
   us learn elearningo play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar. Some
   of us
   have studied figured bass playing, it's something I particularly
   enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But rarely do we
   step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very, very small
   percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint in Dm
   tuning.
   I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes, Steve
   Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque. You have to
   buy the class, but an overview video is available:
   [1][4]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to the Dm lute.
   One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well, and
   discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be used in
   improvising fugues or dance movements.
   I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.
   Rob MacKillop
   [2][5]www.robmackillop.net
   --
   References
   1. [6]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   2. [7]http://www.robmackillop.net/
   To get on or off this list see list information at
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References

   1. mailto:chriswi...@yahoo.com
   2. http://www.cdbaby.com/m/cd/christopherwilke12
   3. https://yho.com/footer0
   4. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   5. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   6. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
   7. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

You've misread me again, Chris. I was genuine in saying I was happy for you to 
promote your recording, especially as you do some improv. Relax. I'm very pro 
what you do.

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 1 Jul 2015, at 16:29, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu 
 wrote:
 
 Wow, Rob, this doesn't seem like you. Calling Danny dumb? Lobbing the you're 
 just promoting your stuff grenade at me? The bulk of my message discussed my 
 own experiences as improvisor in a jazz and baroque idioms. I don't believe 
 it was at all inappropriate to mention my recorded efforts in this regard, 
 especially as I specifically discussed the influence that a modern improvisor 
 (Monk) played in the development of that example. If I had written a book on 
 the subject, would you expect me to avoid mentioning it?
 
 That others have also commented on the jazz aspect shows that I wasn't off 
 base. If you wished to confine the thread merely commentary on the video 
 linked, you should have been more specific in your original wording.
 
 Chris
 
 
 Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 www.christopherwilke.com
 
 
 On Wed, 7/1/15, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music
 To: Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com
 Cc: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 Date: Wednesday, July 1, 2015, 10:49 AM
 
Chris,
I'm very happy to provide you the
 opportunity to promote your latest
disc, which is wonderful. More power to
 you.
However, my discussion is more about the
 concepts Steve uses, which are
not jazz, and how we should be studying
 them on a baroque lute. I'm not
sure from what you say that you have had a
 chance to look at the video.
His whole approach is something we could
 apply to the baroque lute, or
Italian archlute, AS WE ARE LEARNING the
 instrument. It doesn't have to
be super advanced.
Rob
 
On 1 July 2015 at 15:15, Christopher Wilke
 [1]chriswi...@yahoo.com
wrote:
 
Rob,
Thanks for being this up. I did my minor
 at Eastman in jazz guitar,
thinking it might also help me with
 improvising early music. The
results have been mixed.
I included some improvised sections on my
 latest baroque lute album.
The most extended stretches are in the
 varied repeats I made for the
slow movements in the Bach BWV 995 suite.
 In those situations there is
a clear model coming from the composer's
 original. This is actually not
so far from what jazzers do. I'm reminded
 of Thelonious Monk's
admonition that a soloist should always be
 mentally hearing the head
while soloing over the changes. I also
 included several cadenzas, which
are more free form but involve developing
 a motif.
Ultimately, jazz studies haven't been very
 helpful to me in baroque
improvising. I learned about the process,
 especially in not being
afraid to copy! (Jazzers spend countless
 hours copying licks from
recordings.) However, the idioms are just
 so different that few things
transferred without major adjustment. This
 is to be expected. It's kind
of like learning Hungarian and being
 surprised that it doesn't directly
apply to taking up Spanish. Musical styles
 have changed so much in the
past hundreds of years, why would one
 expect that there be one
universally applicable approach to
 improvisation?
For those interested, my album is
 available from CD Baby at the link
below. Unfortunately, the samples their
 algorithm has selected don't
include much of the improvisations
 mentioned above.
[2]http://www.cdbaby.com/m/cd/christopherwilke12
Chris
[3]Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
 
  At Jul 1, 2015, 8:53:14 AM, Rob
 MacKillop wrote:
 
I've long thought that there was something
 missing from the way most of
us learn elearningo play baroque music,
 whether on lute or guitar. Some
of us
have studied figured bass playing, it's
 something I particularly
enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any
 for years. But rarely do we
step beyond that practice, and I believe
 that only a very, very small
percentage of us are happy improvising
 baroque counterpoint in Dm
tuning.
I was fascinated to learn that one of my
 jazz guitar heroes, Steve
Herberman, teaches a class online called
 Going For Baroque. You have to
buy the class, but an overview video is
 available:
[1][4]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
It would be really interesting to transfer
 his approach to the Dm lute.
One would really get to know the
 instrument and tuning well, and
discover many contrapuntal finger
 movements which could be used in
improvising fugues or dance movements.
I'd like to know your thoughts after
 watching the video.
Rob MacKillop
[2][5]www.robmackillop.net
--
References
1. [6]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
2. [7]http

[LUTE] Re: Improvising Baroque Music

[Rob MacKillop]

Lots of interesting comments from a few contributors. There seem to be a number 
of issues.

1. Original source material, for lute, baroque guitar, certainly, but other 
instruments too. All that must be looked at and absorbed as best as possible.

2. Stylistic details - what we do for Weiss we should probably not do for 
Robert de Visée. We have to be careful here, while at the same time expressing 
ourselves. 

3. Decoration of given material, especially on repeats. Most of us would work 
this out in advance for a recording or important gig, but relatively free 
decoration should be explored at home. 

4. Improvised composition. This could be a Prelude, for example, or an entirely 
new piece within a dance style, or an abstract style such as a fugue. It is 
here that Steve Herberman, I think, gives us ideas, albeit on a seven-string 
guitar, that we could explore on baroque lutes or arch lutes. I don't see this 
approach anywhere in the lute or baroque guitar literature, though I'd be happy 
to be pointed towards an original source which helps me play a fugue, for 
instance. There are moments in that video where Steve closes his eyes, and 
really improvises in two parts, in a baroque style. Let's be honest, there are 
not many of us who could do that on our lutes. 

5. I guess my overall point is that there is no one book today (that I am aware 
of) that teaches baroque lute improvisation, or live composition. Yet Bach, 
Weiss, de Visée, etc, probably improvised every day of their professional 
lives. I would like to see more of it, but also support materials for those who 
would like to give it a try. 

Thoughts?

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 1 Jul 2015, at 16:15, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
   Thanks for this, Rob.  From my perspective gained through reading the
   sources (including Quantz, Rameau, CPE Bach), improvisation is not an
   extra - it's required.  This has everything to do with the difference
   between the playing of a musician and the rote regurgitation of
   information written on the page.  We all have different levels of
   abilities and understanding but, according my reading of the sources,
   it's all about convincing performances that capture the essence of the
   music.
   To my mind, the more closely spaced d-minor tuning seems to offer fewer
   opportunities for contrapuntal elaboration than does the old tuning.
   Strings tuned in fourths offer more possibilities than strings in
   thirds.  Melodic decoration is just as easy in either tuning.
   As for improvisation in general, there is two really kinds: 1)
   ornamented divisions, and 2) harmonic extension and substitution.  The
   cognoscenti always admire effect use of number 2.  Dowland (1612)
   commented on number 1, with sharp words regarding blinde
   Division-making on the part of those ignorant in the science of music
   saying, ...let them remember that their skill lyeth not in their
   fingers endes
   I teach improvisation and always encourage the effective expression of
   intelligent musical ideas, giving a good result preference over which
   particular fingers are being used.
   Thanks again for broaching the topic, Rob.
   RA
 Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:49:20 +0100
 To: lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: robmackil...@gmail.com
 Subject: [LUTE] Improvising Baroque Music
 
 I've long thought that there was something missing from the way most
   of
 us learn to play baroque music, whether on lute or guitar. Some of us
 have studied figured bass playing, it's something I particularly
 enjoyed doing, though I haven't done any for years. But rarely do we
 step beyond that practice, and I believe that only a very, very small
 percentage of us are happy improvising baroque counterpoint in Dm
 tuning.
 
 I was fascinated to learn that one of my jazz guitar heroes, Steve
 Herberman, teaches a class online called Going For Baroque. You have
   to
 buy the class, but an overview video is available:
 
 [1]http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 
 It would be really interesting to transfer his approach to the Dm
   lute.
 One would really get to know the instrument and tuning well, and
 discover many contrapuntal finger movements which could be used in
 improvising fugues or dance movements.
 
 I'd like to know your thoughts after watching the video.
 
 Rob MacKillop
 
 [2]www.robmackillop.net
 
 --
 
 References
 
 1. http://youtu.be/u9oZ5Us0sfQ
 2. http://www.robmackillop.net/
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: a missing saraband

[Rob MacKillop]

Talking of D Major tuning, quite a few really good pieces in Balcarres...

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 29 Jun 2015, at 19:53, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote:
 
 Dear Thomas,
 
 please find the piece here:
 
 http://www.lute-academy.be/docstore/temp/SARAB_REMAJ_DUFAUT.jpg
 
 
 !
 Tuning .  a d f# a d f#
 
 Amicalement
 Bernd
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Lute-learning resources for 10-year old?

[Rob MacKillop]

   I was sent this from a friend of a friend:
   'Hi folks. Our 10yo has been given the loan of a lute by friends of
   ours. She has basic guitar knowledge and music reading ability. Can
   anyone recommend any kid-friendly resources for learning to play?
   Thanks in advance.'
   I can't think of anything suitable, but I do recall seeing photos of
   kids playing the lute - so does anyone have or know of suitable
   material?
   Rob MacKillop

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[LUTE] Re: Lute-learning resources for 10-year old?

[Rob MacKillop]

Thanks, Joshua. I've since learned of these resources:

http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Les_Petites_Muses

http://www.sf-luth.org/Album_SFL/petites_muses/slides/petit%20ane.html

Rob



www.robmackillop.net 

 On 13 Apr 2015, at 12:30, Joshua Burkholder burkholder.jos...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi Rob,
 
 I have never seen them in person, but I believe that the French Lute society 
 as a series of books for young students, though they'll of course be in 
 French. But even if she doesn't know French they may be worth looking into 
 for the exercises.
 
 Regards
 
 Joshua
 
 
 On Apr 13, 2015, at 13:19, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I was sent this from a friend of a friend:
  'Hi folks. Our 10yo has been given the loan of a lute by friends of
  ours. She has basic guitar knowledge and music reading ability. Can
  anyone recommend any kid-friendly resources for learning to play?
  Thanks in advance.'
  I can't think of anything suitable, but I do recall seeing photos of
  kids playing the lute - so does anyone have or know of suitable
  material?
  Rob MacKillop
 
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[LUTE] Two Rob MacKillop CDs now Online

[Rob MacKillop]

   These two albums are now out of print and out of stock, and the record
   company is OK about putting them online. You can't download them, but
   you can hear them as often as you want on my soundcloud page.
   Flowers Of The Forrest - my first solo album from 1998. Music from
   Scotland for lute, cittern and guittar. This album reached the Number
   1 spot in the Scottish classical charts :-) It seems a million years
   ago to me.
   Sound
   file:A [1]https://soundcloud.com/robmackillop/sets/flowers-of-the-forre
   st-17th-century-scottish-lute-and-cittern-music
   The Healing - from 2002. Music from 17th and 21st-century Scotland for
   lute and cittern. The last four tracks were all newly-written. The last
   track, The Healing, was written in response to the 9/11 attacks - I was
   studying oud in casablanca at the time. One track has me improvising an
   oud accompaniment to a recitation by a poet (James Robertson) about the
   hanging of another poet (Ken Saro-Wiwa), and eight other pro-democracy
   activists in Nigeria. But most of the album is from the 17th century
   Sound
   file:A [2]https://soundcloud.com/robmackillop/sets/the-healing-scottish
   -lute-and-cittern-music-by-rob-mackillop
   Cheers,
   Rob MacKillop
   Edinburgh

   --

References

   1. 
https://soundcloud.com/robmackillop/sets/flowers-of-the-forrest-17th-century-scottish-lute-and-cittern-music
   2. 
https://soundcloud.com/robmackillop/sets/the-healing-scottish-lute-and-cittern-music-by-rob-mackillop


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[LUTE] Re: Two Rob MacKillop CDs now Online

[Rob MacKillop]

   I don't know. I've had albums on a few companies, and some of them have
   gone to the wall, and not once have they ever informed the artists. So,
   it is indeed an unusual move by this company. I'll probably never hear
   why.A
   The main thing is you can't download it from youtube or soundcloud. So
   if you want it on your iPad or phone or computer, you can still pay for
   it.A
   Rob

   On 18 March 2015 at 18:23, howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
   wrote:

 On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Rob MacKillop
 [2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
  They've already put the albums on youtube
 Why would a record company do this?A  To collect advertising
 revenue?
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Two Rob MacKillop CDs now Online

[Rob MacKillop]

   Yes, but the record company have none left, and are not making any
   more. They've already put the albums on youtube - without telling me. I
   noticed they were on youtube, and pointed it out to the company, who
   then said they did it.A
   So, Howard, you can still pay for it if you want to, and I'll probably
   eventually get 20 pence :-)
   Rob

   On 18 March 2015 at 17:49, howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
   wrote:

 On Mar 18, 2015, at 9:55 AM, Rob MacKillop
 [2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
  These two albums are now out of print and out of stock, and the
 record
 A  A company is OK about putting them online. You can't download
 them, but
 A  A you can hear them as often as you want on my soundcloud page.
 A  A Flowers Of The Forrest - my first solo album from 1998. Music
 from
 A  A Scotland for lute, cittern and guittar.
 This one seems to available on iTunes for $7.99 (or $25.74 if you
 buy each cut individually for 99 cents).
 [3]https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/flowers-of-the-forest/id4333725
 09
 I haven't checked the second album.
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [4]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/flowers-of-the-forest/id433372509
   4. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Two Rob MacKillop CDs now Online

[Rob MacKillop]

Thanks for trying, Doug! That's why I did it.

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 18 Mar 2015, at 19:25, doug asherman dashe...@sonic.net wrote:
 
 Answers inline:
 
 On 3/18/15 12:18 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
 Yes, they do. I'm ok with it. Really. I'd rather talk and enthuse (if that's 
 allowed around here) about the music.
 I have seen people enthuse about music on this list. And if we must...oh, 
 alright. Your Flowers of the Forest is absolutely beautiful. I had only 
 heard this song sung by Richard Thompson, and the chorus has a sadness to it 
 that I didn't think was possible to bring out in a solely instrumental 
 version.
 
 I would do more enthusing, but I'm an American, and we just don't do that 
 well with enthusiasm anymore.
 
 Doug
 
 Rob
 
 www.robmackillop.net
 
 On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:42, doug asherman dashe...@sonic.net wrote:
 
 It's a pity you can't get these set up as downloads on CDBaby or Bandcamp. 
 Does the record company own the albums?
 
 On 3/18/15 11:30 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
I don't know. I've had albums on a few companies, and some of them have
gone to the wall, and not once have they ever informed the artists. So,
it is indeed an unusual move by this company. I'll probably never hear
why.A
The main thing is you can't download it from youtube or soundcloud. So
if you want it on your iPad or phone or computer, you can still pay for
it.A
Rob
 
On 18 March 2015 at 18:23, howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
wrote:
 
  On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Rob MacKillop
  [2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
   They've already put the albums on youtube
  Why would a record company do this?A  To collect advertising
  revenue?
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
--
 
 References
 
1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com
2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
 

[LUTE] Re: Two Rob MacKillop CDs now Online

[Rob MacKillop]

Yes, they do. I'm ok with it. Really. I'd rather talk and enthuse (if that's 
allowed around here) about the music. 

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:42, doug asherman dashe...@sonic.net wrote:
 
 It's a pity you can't get these set up as downloads on CDBaby or Bandcamp. 
 Does the record company own the albums?
 
 On 3/18/15 11:30 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
I don't know. I've had albums on a few companies, and some of them have
gone to the wall, and not once have they ever informed the artists. So,
it is indeed an unusual move by this company. I'll probably never hear
why.A
The main thing is you can't download it from youtube or soundcloud. So
if you want it on your iPad or phone or computer, you can still pay for
it.A
Rob
 
On 18 March 2015 at 18:23, howard posner [1]howardpos...@ca.rr.com
wrote:
 
  On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:15 AM, Rob MacKillop
  [2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
   They've already put the albums on youtube
  Why would a record company do this?A  To collect advertising
  revenue?
  To get on or off this list see list information at
  [3]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
--
 
 References
 
1. mailto:howardpos...@ca.rr.com
2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
3. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 

[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Falckenhagen variations

[Rob MacKillop]

   Magnificent playing, Chris, of a fine piece. I went back to the
   beginning after the end, to hear the modern technique, and it was
   quite a difference. I think you play the whole piece brilliantly.
   Looking at Falckenhagen's portrait, his thumb doesn't seem to be so far
   in front of his fingers, indeed it almost looks as if it is behind his
   index, but as it is so outstretched it is hard to say how out in front
   it would be when closer to the fingers. His whole hand, though, is
   definitely nearer the bridge than modern playing. I've found that gut
   strings necessitate this positioning. What kind of strings did you use?
   Rob MacKillop

   On 17 March 2015 at 00:47, Christopher Wilke
   [1]chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:

 Hello all,
 A  A  I've posted a video of my performance of Adam Falckenhagen's
 variations on the chorale tune, Wer nur den lieben Gott laesst
 walten. It's a pretty wild set, starting sedately, but quickly
 transitioning into rapid, twisting arpeggios and ending with a
 workout in crazy leaping basses at breakneck speed for the thumb. I
 begin the piece with modern baroque lute right hand technique
 (close to the rose; hand coming in at an angle across the strings;
 thumb just slightly in front of the index finger). At 0:28 seconds,
 on the repeat of the initial material, I abruptly move to a more
 historical thumb out position (close to the bridge; fingers very
 perpendicular to the strings; thumb held out strongly in front of
 the fingers). I believe it becomes a different instrument. The
 cadenza at the end is my own improvisation. Constructive comments
 welcome.
 The video is at:
 [2]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQUqfH2Va7M
 This is from my forthcoming album, Desperate Doors. You still have
 a chance to back it, but time is almost up!
 [3]https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1600736048/desperate-doors-b
 aroque-lute-album
 Thanks!
 Chris
 Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A.
 Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer
 [4]www.christopherwilke.com
 To get on or off this list see list information at
 [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   --

References

   1. mailto:chriswi...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   2. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQUqfH2Va7M
   3. 
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1600736048/desperate-doors-baroque-lute-album
   4. http://www.christopherwilke.com/
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - musicality

[Rob MacKillop]

   I think it more pertinent to this forum to mention the number of lute
   players who play the banjo.A
   Ron Andrico - Ron plays in the clawhammer style, where the index (or
   middle) finger of the right hand strikes downwards onto individual
   strings. One of the greatest Old Time banjo players, R. D. Lunceford,
   had this to say of Ron: Ron is one of the finest musicians I've had
   the privilege of playing with.A  A great fiddler, singer, and
   insightful and intuitive guitar player, not to mention a fine old-time
   banjoista. We know Ron and Donna as Mignarda, but check out their
   alter egos, Eulalie:A [1]http://www.eulalie-blue.com
   Tom Berghan - Tom plays with Stephen Stubbs (the lute player and
   guitarist) in a 19th-century banjo-led ensemble. Tom is a wonderful
   lute player, and a fantastic banjo player.
   James Tyler - a brilliant tenor banjoist. Check out this video from the
   BBC programme, The Good Old Days:A [2]https://youtu.be/sZgCpx8BN78A
   Me - Check outA [3]http://robmackillop.net/banjo/A and my YouTube banjo
   playlist:A [4]https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL422073C567EEF259A
- where I play gut-strung fretless 19th-century banjo, 19th-century
   fretted banjo, and 1920s tenor and plectrum banjos.A
   Pat Stefanelli - Pat is French. She plays the theorboA professionally,
   and is a first-rate accompanist. She specialises in accompaniment on
   both theorbo and banjo. Her husband is Eric Stefanelli, who I rate as
   the finest maker of classic banjos - copies of fingerstyle banjos from
   1890 to 1930. They both live in France. Eric is a great player. Here
   they are playing together on two instruments made by
   Eric:A [5]http://[6]youtube.com/watch?v=[7]CCIfanCQxVsA
   Ray Nurse - the Canadian lute player started his musical life as a
   bluegrass banjo player
   Gustav Leonhardt - yes, THAT Gustav Leonhardt. According to Tom
   Berghan, Old Gusty informed him he was really into bluegrass, and toyed
   with a banjo when he had the time.
   There are probably more.A
   Rob MacKillop
   Edinburgh

   On 15 March 2015 at 08:02, gary [8]magg...@sonic.net wrote:

 I had the privilege of seeing George Van Eps play in duet with Tony
 Ricci while on his last California tour. I went to see him with my
 friend, Eddie Duran, who is also a master jazz guitarist. Van Eps
 was amazing. I felt sorry for Tony Ricci who is an amazing jazz
 guitarist in his own right. The audience was there to see Van Eps
 and when Tony would play, everybody was just waiting for George to
 play again. They took a break and Van Eps, who knew Eddie Duran,
 came over to our table. Eddie had been recording the concert on his
 walkman and, when George came to our table, Eddie shoved his mic in
 George's face and said, Who do you listen to? as a joke. George
 immediately went into his shtick saying with all seriousness, I
 don't listen to guitarists, I listen to piano players... He was
 fond of referring to the guitar as a lap piano. I've been on the
 first ten pages of Harmonic Mechanisms, Vol. I for the last twenty
 years. There are some great videos of George playing on youtube.
 Gary
 On 2015-03-14 15:06, Rob MacKillop wrote:

 There's a link on my website, Dan:
 [9]http://robmackillop.net/george-van-eps-method-for-guitar/
 Rob
 [10]www.robmackillop.net

 On 14 Mar 2015, at 21:30, Dan Winheld [11]dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:

   Alright, alright- I'm not sayin' nuthin- but I never knew G. van Eps
   had a method; is it easily found/avialable via the google? He's a hero
   of mine because of the 7 string business. Love my 7 string
   steel-string, and am annoyed that my classical is only 6.
   DAN

 On 3/14/2015 12:27 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
 Can I call a halt to this now? I appreciate it, but enough already!
 Everyone get back to work...
 Rob
 [12]www.robmackillop.net

 On 14 Mar 2015, at 19:15, Edward Martin [13]edvihuel...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 A  Ron,
 A  That was a tremendous tribute to Rob, ad I cannot think of a
 person
 A  more deserving of it.AA  I visited Rob for a few days last
 summer, and
 A  he was enthusiastic, kind, a wonderful person and fantastic
 musician.A
 A  I cannot say enough good things about him.
 A  ed
 A  On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Stetson
 A  [1][14]christophertstet...@gmail.com wrote:
 A  AA  A Thanks, Ron, for your observations, and a hearty
 confirmation of
 A  all
 A  AA  A you say about Rob.
 A  AA  A Be well, everyone, and keep playing.
 A  AA  A Chris.
 A  AA  A On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Rob MacKillop
 A  AA  A [1][2][15]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
 A  AA  AA  A Ha. Thanks to Ron for that surprise. Right back at you,
 sir!
 A  AA  AA  A Lang may your lum reek - long may there be smoke coming
 from
 A  your
 A  AA  AA

[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - musicality

[Rob MacKillop]

There's a link on my website, Dan:

http://robmackillop.net/george-van-eps-method-for-guitar/

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 14 Mar 2015, at 21:30, Dan Winheld dwinh...@lmi.net wrote:
 
 Alright, alright- I'm not sayin' nuthin- but I never knew G. van Eps had a 
 method; is it easily found/avialable via the google? He's a hero of mine 
 because of the 7 string business. Love my 7 string steel-string, and am 
 annoyed that my classical is only 6.
 
 DAN
 
 On 3/14/2015 12:27 PM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
 Can I call a halt to this now? I appreciate it, but enough already!
 
 Everyone get back to work...
 
 Rob
 
 www.robmackillop.net
 
 On 14 Mar 2015, at 19:15, Edward Martin edvihuel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Ron,
   That was a tremendous tribute to Rob, ad I cannot think of a person
   more deserving of it.A  I visited Rob for a few days last summer, and
   he was enthusiastic, kind, a wonderful person and fantastic musician.A
   I cannot say enough good things about him.
   ed
 
   On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Stetson
   [1]christophertstet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   A  A Thanks, Ron, for your observations, and a hearty confirmation of
   all
   A  A you say about Rob.
   A  A Be well, everyone, and keep playing.
   A  A Chris.
   A  A On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Rob MacKillop
   A  A [1][2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
   A  A  A Ha. Thanks to Ron for that surprise. Right back at you, sir!
   A  A  A Lang may your lum reek - long may there be smoke coming from
   your
   A  A  A chimney :-)
   A  A  A Rob
   A  A  A [2][3]www.robmackillop.net
   A  A  On 14 Mar 2015, at 16:14, Rockford Mjos
   [3][4]rockype...@comcast.net
   A  A wrote:
   A  A 
   A  A  I also raise my glass to Rob a to his musicianship and countless
   A  A contributions!
   A  A 
   A  A  (Though I'm not sure what a reeking lum might be.)
   A  A 
   A  A  a Rocky
   A  A 
   A  A  On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Ron Andrico
   [4][5]praelu...@hotmail.com
   A  A wrote:
   A  A 
   A  A AA  We have posted our Saturday morning quote, this week from
   the
   A  A Burwell
   A  A AA  manuscript extolling the virtues of a particular musician.
   A  A AA  [1][5][6]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A AA  Ron  Donna
   A  A 
   A  A AA  --
   A  A 
   A  A  References
   A  A 
   A  A AA  1. [6][7]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A 
   A  A 
   A  A  To get on or off this list see list information at
   A  A  [7][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   A  A 
   A  A 
   A  A 
   A  A --
   References
   A  A 1. mailto:[9]robmackil...@gmail.com
   A  A 2. [10]http://www.robmackillop.net/
   A  A 3. mailto:[11]rockype...@comcast.net
   A  A 4. mailto:[12]praelu...@hotmail.com
   A  A 5. [13]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A 6. [14]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A 7. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
   --
 
 References
 
   1. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   4. mailto:rockype...@comcast.net
   5. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
   6. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   7. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   9. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  10. http://www.robmackillop.net/
  11. mailto:rockype...@comcast.net
  12. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
  13. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
  14. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
  15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
 

[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - musicality

[Rob MacKillop]

Can I call a halt to this now? I appreciate it, but enough already!

Everyone get back to work...

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 14 Mar 2015, at 19:15, Edward Martin edvihuel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Ron,
   That was a tremendous tribute to Rob, ad I cannot think of a person
   more deserving of it.A  I visited Rob for a few days last summer, and
   he was enthusiastic, kind, a wonderful person and fantastic musician.A
   I cannot say enough good things about him.
   ed
 
   On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Christopher Stetson
   [1]christophertstet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   A  A Thanks, Ron, for your observations, and a hearty confirmation of
   all
   A  A you say about Rob.
   A  A Be well, everyone, and keep playing.
   A  A Chris.
   A  A On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:37 PM, Rob MacKillop
   A  A [1][2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
   A  A  A Ha. Thanks to Ron for that surprise. Right back at you, sir!
   A  A  A Lang may your lum reek - long may there be smoke coming from
   your
   A  A  A chimney :-)
   A  A  A Rob
   A  A  A [2][3]www.robmackillop.net
   A  A  On 14 Mar 2015, at 16:14, Rockford Mjos
   [3][4]rockype...@comcast.net
   A  A wrote:
   A  A 
   A  A  I also raise my glass to Rob a to his musicianship and countless
   A  A contributions!
   A  A 
   A  A  (Though I'm not sure what a reeking lum might be.)
   A  A 
   A  A  a Rocky
   A  A 
   A  A  On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Ron Andrico
   [4][5]praelu...@hotmail.com
   A  A wrote:
   A  A 
   A  A AA  We have posted our Saturday morning quote, this week from
   the
   A  A Burwell
   A  A AA  manuscript extolling the virtues of a particular musician.
   A  A AA  [1][5][6]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A AA  Ron  Donna
   A  A 
   A  A AA  --
   A  A 
   A  A  References
   A  A 
   A  A AA  1. [6][7]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A 
   A  A 
   A  A  To get on or off this list see list information at
   A  A  [7][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   A  A 
   A  A 
   A  A 
   A  A --
   References
   A  A 1. mailto:[9]robmackil...@gmail.com
   A  A 2. [10]http://www.robmackillop.net/
   A  A 3. mailto:[11]rockype...@comcast.net
   A  A 4. mailto:[12]praelu...@hotmail.com
   A  A 5. [13]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A 6. [14]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   A  A 7. [15]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 
   --
 
 References
 
   1. mailto:christophertstet...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. http://www.robmackillop.net/
   4. mailto:rockype...@comcast.net
   5. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
   6. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   7. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   9. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  10. http://www.robmackillop.net/
  11. mailto:rockype...@comcast.net
  12. mailto:praelu...@hotmail.com
  13. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
  14. http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
  15. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 

[LUTE] Re: Saturday morning quotes - musicality

[Rob MacKillop]

Ha. Thanks to Ron for that surprise. Right back at you, sir!

Lang may your lum reek - long may there be smoke coming from your chimney :-)

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 14 Mar 2015, at 16:14, Rockford Mjos rockype...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 I also raise my glass to Rob — to his musicianship and countless 
 contributions!
 
 (Though I’m not sure what a reeking lum might be.)
 
 — Rocky
 
 On Mar 14, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Ron Andrico praelu...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
  We have posted our Saturday morning quote, this week from the Burwell
  manuscript extolling the virtues of a particular musician.
  [1]http://wp.me/p15OyV-186
  Ron  Donna
 
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[LUTE] Re: some Dufault

[Rob MacKillop]

   Beautiful playing, Thomas, of beautiful music. So, all is well with the
   world!
   Rob MacKillop

   On 16 February 2015 at 15:27, Thomas Walker [1]twlute...@hotmail.com
   wrote:

 A  A Dear lute colleagues,
 A  A Of late, Francois Dufault has grabbed my attention, and here is
 my
 A  A first concerted effort to commit my solo performance of his
 music to 0s
 A  A and 1s:A  [1][2]http://youtu.be/SVzgYxzihkM.
 A  A Cheers,
 A  A tom
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 References
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[LUTE] Re: from Lute to kanun

[Rob MacKillop]

   Sorry about that. It was definitely there this morning. Too bad. It was
   a fine performance.
   Rob

   On 9 February 2015 at 16:41, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
   [1]fournier...@gmail.com wrote:

 A  A nope not me either, the link to facebook appears to be broken
 A  A 2015-02-09 11:19 GMT-05:00 Chris Barker
 [1][2]csbarker...@att.net:
 A  A  A This link will not open on my computer.
 A  A  A Chris
 A  A -Original Message-
 A  A From: [2][3]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A [mailto:[3][4]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 A  A Of Rob MacKillop
 A  A Sent: Monday, February 09, 2015 1:45 AM
 A  A To: Lute
 A  A Subject: [LUTE] Re: from Lute to kanun
 A  A AA  A Zamboni as you've never heard him before...
 A  A AA  A Rob
 A  A AA  A Hello
 A  A AA  A I am a young tunisian musician, a Kanun player , I am
 passioned
 A  A with
 A  A AA  A baroc music and especially Lute music, in this link I
 present you
 A  A an
 A  A AA  A example of my playing method which consist to adapt baroc
 music
 A  A works
 A  A AA  A to be played on the Kanun. I think that my idea is a
 first.
 A  A AA  A I would like to have your opinion and advice.
 A  A AA  A The piece here joined is the first and last movement of
 the Lute
 A  A Sonata
 A  A AA  A IV composed by Giovanni Zambonni
 A  A AA  A
 [1][4][5]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
 A  A AA  A Thank you.
 A  A AA  A Best Regards.
 A  A AA  A Mohamed Amine KalaA-
 A  A AA  A --
 A  A References
 A  A AA  A 1.
 [5][6]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348%20
 A  A To get on or off this list see list information at
 A  A [6][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A --
 References
 A  A 1. mailto:[8]csbarker...@att.net
 A  A 2. mailto:[9]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A 3. mailto:[10]lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
 A  A 4. [11]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
 A  A 5. [12]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348%20
 A  A 6. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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   2. mailto:csbarker...@att.net
   3. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   4. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
   5. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
   6. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348%20
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   8. mailto:csbarker...@att.net
   9. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  10. mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu
  11. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
  12. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348%20
  13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: from Lute to kanun

[Rob MacKillop]

   That's the fellow.

   Rob
   [1]www.robmackillop.net

   On 9 Feb 2015, at 17:18, Bruno Cognyl-Fournier
   [2]fournier...@gmail.com wrote:

   would it be this gentleman?
   [3]https://www.facebook.com/Musikanoun?ref=tsfref=ts
   ?
   2015-02-09 2:44 GMT-05:00 Rob MacKillop [4]robmackil...@gmail.com:

Zamboni as you've never heard him before...
Rob
Hello
I am a young tunisian musician, a Kanun player , I am passioned
 with
baroc music and especially Lute music, in this link I present you
 an
example of my playing method which consist to adapt baroc music
 works
to be played on the Kanun. I think that my idea is a first.
I would like to have your opinion and advice.
The piece here joined is the first and last movement of the Lute
 Sonata
IV composed by Giovanni Zambonni
[1][5]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
Thank you.
Best Regards.
Mohamed Amine KalaA-
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   2. mailto:fournier...@gmail.com
   3. https://www.facebook.com/Musikanoun?ref=tsfref=ts
   4. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   5. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
   6. https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348%20
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] Re: from Lute to kanun

[Rob MacKillop]

   Zamboni as you've never heard him before...
   Rob
   Hello
   I am a young tunisian musician, a Kanun player , I am passioned with
   baroc music and especially Lute music, in this link I present you an
   example of my playing method which consist to adapt baroc music works
   to be played on the Kanun. I think that my idea is a first.
   I would like to have your opinion and advice.
   The piece here joined is the first and last movement of the Lute Sonata
   IV composed by Giovanni Zambonni
   [1]https://www.facebook.com/video.php?vd5539035482348A
   Thank you.
   Best Regards.
   Mohamed Amine KalaA-

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[LUTE] Re: A Little Christmas Present

[Rob MacKillop]

Somebody give the man a large cigar!

Well done, Stephen...as per usual :-)

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 21 Dec 2014, at 20:10, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote:
 
   Dear Lute Friends,
 
   I invite you to listen to my recording of the fifty-six solo lute
   pieces found in Louis de Moy, Le petit boucquet de frise orientale,
   which you can find on my website here:
   [1]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/renaissance-lute/louys-de-moy-le-pe
   tit-boucquet-de-frise-orientale/ . You can either click on an
   individual title to listen to a single piece or scroll to the bottom of
   the page and use the playlist to listen to all of the pieces
   successively.
 
   From time to time there is a discussion on this list about appropriate
   pieces to play at restaurants, coffee houses, receptions, and the like.
   If you have never looked at this music before, it might be worth your
   while to do so. In my opinion, it is easy to play, pleasant to listen
   to, and accessible to the members of the general public, many of whom
   may not have been exposed to early music before. You may well find
   several pieces that would make a nice addition to your repertoire.
 
   (Warning: everything that follows is off topic.)
 
   As long as you are at my website, please feel free to peruse the
   following, relatively recent additions:
 
   1. One-Part Inventions, twenty-one original pieces for alto recorder,
   written in a more or less 18th-century style. Please see here:
   [2]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/recorder/one-part-inventions-2/
 
   2. A handful of pieces for Celtic harp, which I have been playing for
   two months now, all arranged by Sylvia Woods. I shall be adding to
   these on a regular basis, so please check back if this music interests
   you. I hope to begin doing my own arrangements soon. Please see here:
   [3]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/celtic-harp/
 
   3. Writes of Passage, a collection of twenty-five short stories. I am
   currently working with a freelance editor, who critiques my work and
   suggests (up until now always minor ) revisions. She has read half the
   stories so far. They should be in their final form. Minor revisions may
   still be made to the remaining stories, but the substance will remain
   the same. Please see here:
   [4]http://www.verseandsong.com/verse/short-stories/
 
   Please feel free to leave a comment on any item on my website. I would
   appreciate your feedback.
 
   Best regards and merry Christmas,
 
   Stephen Arndt
 
   --
 
 References
 
   1. 
 http://www.verseandsong.com/song/renaissance-lute/louys-de-moy-le-petit-boucquet-de-frise-orientale/
   2. http://www.verseandsong.com/song/recorder/one-part-inventions-2/
   3. http://www.verseandsong.com/song/celtic-harp/
   4. http://www.verseandsong.com/verse/short-stories/
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: Identity Theft in Georgian London?

[Rob MacKillop]

   Stuart, I've just read your interesting essay, and, if I may, I'd like
   to say a word or two...
   The two parts you highlight in red in the Con Spirito of Serenata II
   are very easy to play in C Major tuning - Oswald has many such passages
   - they fit easily under the fingers. What is difficult about the
   interval d-f? That works out to be the 2nd fret on the 6th string, and
   the 1st fret on the 5th string. I can't for the life of me understand
   why you call that awkward, quite difficult to play, and doesn't sound
   very well.A
   There are many moments in the Serenatas which sound more like Oswald's
   Divertimentis than lots of other guittar music of the time. Compare
   the octave passage in the Con Spirito with the 7th Divertimenti of
   Oswald, for example. And compare the Largo opening with Divertimento
   11.A
   I must have played through literally hundreds of pages of guittar
   music, and can say with some confidence that the composer of the 12 and
   18 divertimenti haunts the 12 Serenatas.A
   And why did you quote at length the worst biography of Oswald ever
   compiled? That Blagger's Guide does not help your case, I'd say. But
   your point is that Oswald was a chancer - a bit crude, but I tend to
   agree. He knew what sold. But he also wrote some of the finest guittar
   music. The best biography of Oswald is by Dr John Purser, and
   accompanies his CD-Rom publication of Oswald's Caledonian Pocket
   Companion.A
   No matter, I welcome your essay, especially as we seem to arrive at the
   same conclusion, that Oswald did write these pieces.A
   If anyone wants to see the scores and hear the guittar music of Oswald,
   they are welcome to visit my website devoted to the
   instrument:A [1]http://scottishguittar.comA - there is much on the site
   already, and much more to come.
   Rob MacKillop

   On 16 December 2014 at 23:37, WALSH STUART [2]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
   wrote:

 I had a go at writing a sort of blog post using WordPress.
 Although the topic is an obscure publication for the 18th century
 wire-strung guittar it's an intriguing little enigma and still not
 resolved.
 [3]http://www.tuningsinthirds.com/blog/
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: A message from our friend Grant Tomlinson

[Rob MacKillop]

   So awful. Heartfelt commiserations.A
   Rob MacKillop

   On 21 October 2014 14:29, BENJAMIN NARVEY [1]luthi...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 A  A Dear All,
 A  A I forward the following message from our friend Grant
 Tomlinson:
 A  A Dear Benjamin,
 A  A Just a quick note.AA  I have finally figured out how to get
 into my
 A  A email account from Kathmandu, and have been reading through all
 of the
 A  A concerned messages from friends.AA  Thanks so much for your
 email, it
 A  A means a lot to hear from you.AA  Could you put a post on
 Facebook for me
 A  A to let the lute people know that I am safe and well?AA  Stella,
 Paul and
 A  A I were almost killed in the same avalanche that got Jan and the
 3
 A  A French Canadians. I hope to be back in Vancouver by Nov. 1st,
 but this
 A  A may change if the weather gets warmer (giving hope of finding
 Jan's
 A  A body before winter truly sets in).
 A  A Will be in touch with you later...
 A  A Sincerely,AA  Grant.
 A  A --
 A  A [1][2]www.luthiste.com
 A  A t [3]+33 (0) 6 71 79 98 98
 A  A --
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[LUTE] Re: more on the liuto attiorbato

[Rob MacKillop]

   I just had a quick scan - will read the text later. It looks beautiful,
   but I can't get the sound file to play. I'm on an iMac, using Safari.
   Rob

   On 18 October 2014 16:06, Martin Shepherd [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk
   wrote:

 Hi All,
 You can now see and hear more detail on this project, including some
 of the considerations which went into it, at:
 [2]http://www.luteshop.co.uk/Liuto_Attiorbato.html
 Martin
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[LUTE] Re: Kickstarter campaign for Courante recording

[Rob MacKillop]

Pledged. Looking forward to not only hearing the recording, but to playing 
along as well. Great idea!

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 7 Jul 2014, at 19:23, David Smith d...@dolcesfogato.com wrote:
 
 Very nice project. Well worth contributing to. I hope you reach your goal
 and encourage others to take a look and contributing as able.
 Regards
 David
 
 -Original Message-
 From: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] On Behalf
 Of Edward Martin
 Sent: Monday, July 7, 2014 10:50 AM
 To: lute net
 Subject: [LUTE] Kickstarter campaign for Courante recording
 
   I am announcing the completion of a long project sponsored by Gamut
   Music, a recording entitled, Courante, which contains French baroque
   lute duets, and this has been a long, challenging project, in terms of
   getting the appropriate instrumentation, appropriate strings, obtaining
   repertoire, producing a high quality video, recording and editing the
   CD. A The recording was made on a matching set of baroque lutes,
   entirely strung in pure gut.
   This project is unique in many ways, as not only is there a high
   quality recording of the performance, the repertoire is seldom
   performed, and it will be available in CD or digital download. A In
   addition, we have produced what we call the interactive project. A Both
   lute parts 1 and 2 have been recorded separately in CD's, along with
   the printed music. A In other words, the baroque lute player will be
   able to read part one while listening to part 2, and vice versa. A We
   have employed the best equipment, and have consulted with many people.
   We are in need of help in releasing this unique package, and we are
   asking for financial support in the form of a Kickstarter campaign.
   A Please see this link for more details, and we appreciate your support
   for this project.
   [1]https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/166049537/courante-french-baroq
   ue-lute-duets
   Thank you,A
   Edward Martin, on behalf of Gamut Music.
 
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[LUTE] Re: Giovanni Battista in Rowallen?

[Rob MacKillop]

   There are many untitled pieces in Rowallan (not Rowallen). Is it one of
   these recordings:A [1]http://scottishlute.com/rowallan/
   Rob

   On 11 June 2014 00:47, Leonard Williams [2]arc...@verizon.net wrote:

 A  A  A  A  I was playing through the Lute Society's Lutezine 109,
 Part 2 (More
 Giovannis)ano. 4, Passemezzi to be exact. A Parts of it sounded
 familiar; in fact, some bars are identical to an Untitled from the
 Rowallen Lute Book. A Sorry I can't be more specific about the
 latter: A I
 have it in Ronn McFarlane's Scottish Lute (Mel Bay), no. 48, p. 39
 of the
 lute section. A There is no indication of which folio of the
 manuscript the
 piece is from. Are these cognates? A Variants of a common
 passamezzo? A Can
 someone more knowledgeable check this out?
 Thanks and regards,
 Leonard Williams
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[LUTE] Re: New CD Giovanni Zamboni

[Rob MacKillop]

Very nice playing, Miguel. Can you place it on iTunes?

The lute sounds beautiful. Please tell us more about it.

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 24 May 2014, at 21:48, Miguel de Olaso migueldeol...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am happy to announce that I have just released a new CD playing Giovanni 
 Zamboni on a double strung 13th lute, made by Cezar Mateus.
 
 Available: migueldeol...@gmail.com (Argentina) / 
 arielgustavoabramov...@gmail.com (rest of the world)
 
 A sample: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TemXa3HEwyo
 
 I hope you enjoy it.
 
 Kind regards,
 
 Miguel de Olaso
 www.facebook.com/deolaso
 twitter: @migueldeolaso
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[LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus

[Rob MacKillop]

Wow. I'd love to hear that. Has anyone recorded with that set up?

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 22 May 2014, at 08:18, jean-michel Catherinot 
 jeanmichel.catheri...@cs.dartmouth.edu wrote:
 
   I don't understand the text of Besard like that (nor Souris did, and he
   explain that widely in his introduction of the CNRS Besard). All the
   courses from 10th to 3rd are an octave up, and the 2 top strings are as
   normal G lute (so re-entrant tuning, not far from tiorbino).
   Le Mercredi 21 mai 2014 23h45, Thomas Walker twlute...@hotmail.com a
   ecrit :
 Thanks kindly, everyone!  It's what I suspected, but the comparative
 rarity of an ordinary lute in reentrant tuning sent my looking for
 some verification.
 Cheers,
 tom
 Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 20:17:25 +0200
 To: [1]mar...@luteshop.co.uk; [2]lute@cs.dartmouth.edu
 From: [3]jmpoiri...@wanadoo.fr
 Subject: [LUTE] Re: Besard's Novus Partus
 
  Nous appelons celui-ci Nouveau Luth non parce qu'il aurait une
 forme (construction) nouvelle, mais seulement `a cause du nouvel
 accord, qui n'est pas ingrat selon l'opinion de maintes (personnes).
 C'est nous qui l'avons invente un jour. S'il differe peu en accord du
 theorbe (comme on l'appelle), pourtant bien avant de connaitre cet
 instrument j'accordais souvent le luth de cette maniere, mieux apte
 pour la musique de n'importe quelle voix. Et ce seulement parce que
 (par rapport `a l'accord ordinaire) la basse frappe l'oreille de
   fac,on
 plus claire, sonore et nette. Pourtant pour cet accord il est
 absolument necessaire de composer de morceaux speciaux.
 
 Voici la traduction du passage de Besard proposee par Dimitri
 Goldobine...
 
 Re-best, ;-)
 
 Jean-Marie
 --
 
 I think Besard explains the Nova Testudo in his preface - can
 someone
 help with the text? As I remember it is top two courses down an
 octave,
 like the theorbo.
 
 M
 On 21/05/2014 18:10, Thomas Walker wrote:
 Hello all--
 Do any of you have a view(s) on what instrument Besard wanted
   for
 his
 Nova Testudo? The other lutes seem pretty clearly to be 9 or 10
 course
 instruments a 4th apart. The top lute, to me, looks like he's
 assuming
 reentrant tuning. I'm tempted to think of Castaldi's tiorbino,
   but
 that seems less likely outside of Italy that early in the 17th
   c.
 Thoughts?
 Thanks kindly,
 Thomas Walker, Jr.
 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] L'enciclopedie - Du But

[Rob MacKillop]

Any background info regarding the piece on page 145 of the Saizenay manuscript, 
entitled L'enciclopedie Allemande de Du But? I'm wondering which encyclopedia 
might be being referred to. 
My basic search with Google failed to bring up a French encyclopedia before 
D'Alembert. The closest I can find is a popular science book which became very 
popular in France, mid century: Pseudodoxia Epidemica by Thomas Browne, first 
published in English, and which refers to itself as an encyclopedia. But that 
might be way off target.

Any ideas?

Rob

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: L'enciclopedie - Du But

[Rob MacKillop]

Thanks, Bernd. That could be it. Or not. My wife writes dictionaries for a 
living, and knows a lot about the D'Alembert-Diderot encyclopedia, so we were 
wondering about this piece by DuBut. Perhaps there is no connection at all. 

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 21 May 2014, at 19:32, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote:
 
 It could perhaps refer to this book:
 
 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_grand_dictionaire_historique
 
 Or may be the piece itself was estimated as highly learned?
 
 B
 
 On 21.05.2014 19:45, Rob MacKillop wrote:
 Any background info regarding the piece on page 145 of the Saizenay 
 manuscript, entitled L'enciclopedie Allemande de Du But? I'm wondering 
 which encyclopedia might be being referred to.
 My basic search with Google failed to bring up a French encyclopedia before 
 D'Alembert. The closest I can find is a popular science book which became 
 very popular in France, mid century: Pseudodoxia Epidemica by Thomas Browne, 
 first published in English, and which refers to itself as an encyclopedia. 
 But that might be way off target.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Rob
 
 www.robmackillop.net
 
 
 
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[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

[Rob MacKillop]

I used to have one. There is a lot of repertoire for it, though arguably none 
of it 'big' repertoire. There is a little bit in the Wemyss ms, Panmure 4, and 
there is a large number of German pieces - Reusner, for example: the printed 
pieces in his books are for eleven courses, but the hand-written extras include 
a twelfth course. Many German mss (including Weiss) have music which uses just 
twelve courses, enough to make me wonder if there was in Germany a 12c 
instrument in currency. 

As for continuo, the instrument is closer to an 11c, but suitable for smaller 
ensembles. If you are serious about continuo playing of English songs, then 
perhaps an English theorbo would be better suited. 

I often felt one more course would give me the great 13c repertoire, while one 
fewer would be more apt for the French repertoire. It's a bit of an 
in-betweenie, so to speak. One word of warning, that extended peghead can be a 
nightmare when putting new strings on...I shed a few tears!

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 17 May 2014, at 18:08, BENJAMIN NARVEY luthi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Dear All,
 
   Does anybody on this list have any experience with 12c lutes? I am
   considering getting one if I can get the funds together and I would be
   grateful for any counsel drawn from actual experience. I have never
   even laid finger to fret on one of these lutes before, so it is a bit
   of a leap of faith. That said, there is clearly so much music that
   could be played in either vieux ton or nouveau ton on this lute,
   and I think it is the ultimate historical continuo beast for so much
   17c repertoire, in particular English music (Purcell, Lawes, etc.)
 
   Also: string lengths. I know they can be very small (around 55cm) to
   very big (perhaps 76cm or so). Any suggestions? I am kind of torn
   between having perhaps a smaller solo instrument and a larger one that
   I could use for accompaniment.
 
   Any thoughts?
 
   Best wishes,
 
   Benjamin
 
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[LUTE] Re: 12 Course Lutes

[Rob MacKillop]

Well, there we go :-) I'd forgotten about the Baron. Thanks, Chris.

No need to think of the instrument as an almost 13c or overgrown 11c. 

If Baron had one, is it out of the realms of possibility that Weiss had one? 
The London manuscript (if I remember correctly) has a number of sonatas 
requiring only 12 courses. 

Lots of interesting repertoire there.

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 17 May 2014, at 21:56, Christopher Wilke chriswi...@yahoo.com wrote:
 
 Rob,
 
 
 On Sat, 5/17/14, Rob MacKillop robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Many German mss (including Weiss) have music which
 uses just twelve courses, enough to make me wonder if there
 was in Germany a 12c instrument in currency.
 
 Baron is pictured with a 12-course lute and I believe the majority of his 
 music calls for 12 courses.



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[LUTE] Catherine Liddell booklet notes

[Rob MacKillop]

I've just downloaded Catherine Liddell's La Belle Voilee from iTunes, but 
iTunes doesn't give you the booklet notes. Has anyone got a photocopy or PDF 
they could send me, or direct me to? There is nothing on her website.

Rob

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[LUTE] Re: Catherine Liddell booklet notes

[Rob MacKillop]

Thanks to two anonymous donors, I now have two copies. I think that will 
suffice. One for each eye.

Cheers,

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[LUTE] 'Privé de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626.

[Rob MacKillop]

Can anyone send me, or direct me to, a copy of one song: 'Privé de duex beaux 
yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626? Much obliged.

Rob MacKillop

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[LUTE] Re: 'Privé de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626.

[Rob MacKillop]

   Ah, it says Courante de Gaultier - don't know why I couldn't see that
   before.

   Rob
   [1]www.robmackillop.net

   On 7 May 2014, at 16:23, Peter Steur [2]p.st...@inrim.it wrote:

   Hi Rob,

   I just happen to have a copy of this song in the Kremsmuenster
   manuscript L81, it's the Courante at the top. Hope this helps.

   Peter



   ---Messaggio originale---

   Da: [3]Rob MacKillop
   Data: 07/05/2014 17:09:27
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   Oggetto: [LUTE] 'Prive de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of
   1626.

   Can anyone send me, or direct me to, a copy of one song: 'Prive de duex
   beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626? Much obliged.

   Rob MacKillop

   [5]www.robmackillop.net



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[LUTE] Re: Re: 'Privé de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626.

[Rob MacKillop]

   Just to clear up a little confusion...Peter Steur send a reference to
   it in Kremsmunster L81, and I hit Reply To All, but it never reached
   the Lute List. This is what I said:
   Thanks for theA KremsmA 1/4nster reference, Peter. I can see it on
   Scribd, but I can't make out the text, or even the second part of the
   title. Can you help with that?
   I know the piece as the untitled Courante and Double (as it has become
   known) from the Panmure 5 manuscript, in harp-sharp tuning. And there
   is a version for viol in a manuscript in Manchester. But today I
   learned it is also the song in Ballard's edition of 1626 (not a lute
   book, I am told).A
   So, I'd dearly love to see the song version, but any other version such
   as theA KremsmA 1/4nster would be of great interest too. It's such a
   beautiful piece.A
   Thanks again, Peter.
   Rob

   On 7 May 2014 16:47, Rob MacKillop [1]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:

   A  A Ah, it says Courante de Gaultier - don't know why I couldn't see
   that
   A  A before.
   A  A Rob

 A  A [1][2]www.robmackillop.net

   A  A On 7 May 2014, at 16:23, Peter Steur [2][3]p.st...@inrim.it
   wrote:
   A  A Hi Rob,

 A  A I just happen to have a copy of this song in the Kremsmuenster

   A  A manuscript L81, it's the Courante at the top. Hope this helps.
   A  A Peter
   A  A ---Messaggio originale---

 A  A Da: [3]Rob MacKillop

   A  A Data: 07/05/2014 17:09:27

 A  A A: [4]LuteNet list
 A  A Oggetto: [LUTE] 'Prive de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book
 of
 A  A 1626.
 A  A Can anyone send me, or direct me to, a copy of one song: 'Prive
 de duex

   A  A beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626? Much obliged.
   A  A Rob MacKillop

 A  A [5][4]www.robmackillop.net

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[LUTE] Re: Re: 'Privé de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626.

[Rob MacKillop]

   Ignore my Gaultier reference - more confusion!

   On 7 May 2014 16:57, Rob MacKillop [1]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:

   Just to clear up a little confusion...Peter Steur send a reference to
   it in Kremsmunster L81, and I hit Reply To All, but it never reached
   the Lute List. This is what I said:
   Thanks for theA KremsmA 1/4nster reference, Peter. I can see it on
   Scribd, but I can't make out the text, or even the second part of the
   title. Can you help with that?
   I know the piece as the untitled Courante and Double (as it has become
   known) from the Panmure 5 manuscript, in harp-sharp tuning. And there
   is a version for viol in a manuscript in Manchester. But today I
   learned it is also the song in Ballard's edition of 1626 (not a lute
   book, I am told).A
   So, I'd dearly love to see the song version, but any other version such
   as theA KremsmA 1/4nster would be of great interest too. It's such a
   beautiful piece.A
   Thanks again, Peter.
   Rob

   On 7 May 2014 16:47, Rob MacKillop [2]robmackil...@gmail.com wrote:

   A  A Ah, it says Courante de Gaultier - don't know why I couldn't see
   that
   A  A before.
   A  A Rob

 A  A [1][3]www.robmackillop.net

   A  A On 7 May 2014, at 16:23, Peter Steur [2][4]p.st...@inrim.it
   wrote:
   A  A Hi Rob,

 A  A I just happen to have a copy of this song in the Kremsmuenster

   A  A manuscript L81, it's the Courante at the top. Hope this helps.
   A  A Peter
   A  A ---Messaggio originale---

 A  A Da: [3]Rob MacKillop

   A  A Data: 07/05/2014 17:09:27

 A  A A: [4]LuteNet list
 A  A Oggetto: [LUTE] 'Prive de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book
 of
 A  A 1626.
 A  A Can anyone send me, or direct me to, a copy of one song: 'Prive
 de duex

   A  A beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626? Much obliged.
   A  A Rob MacKillop

 A  A [5][5]www.robmackillop.net

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[LUTE] Re: Re: Re: 'Privé de duex beaux yeux', from Ballard's book of 1626.

[Rob MacKillop]

   Thanks, Mathew! Much appreciated.
   Rob

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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Recording

[Rob MacKillop]

I can highly recommend Stephen's translation of the Divine Comedy, as I've 
enjoyed a private copy for a number of years. I'm really pleased to see it 
available as an eBook, and will get a copy of that for my iPad.

Stephen, it is great to listen to your performances with pure gut strings. Can 
you tell us about your experience with them, pros and cons? And who made them? 
What string length and pitch? Etc ;-)

And thanks for recording the entire publication! Hearty congratulations for 
getting through it!

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 5 May 2014, at 15:33, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote:
 
   Dear Friends,
 
   I invite you to listen to my recording of Denis Gaultier's La
   rhA(c)torique des dieux on an Andreas von Holst 11-course lute strung
   entirely in pure gut (i.e., the basses are not gimped). Quite some time
   ago I recorded the first forty-three pieces and then put the project
   aside for well over a year owing to various reasons. Towards the end of
   last year I resumed it and recorded pieces forty-four to sixty-one but
   was very dissatisfied with my earlier recordings in terms of tempo and
   sound quality, so I redid them. I used the tablature available for free
   on Richard Civiol's site and took the Louis Pernot recordings as a
   model, arpeggiating chords where he did and attempting to imitate his
   ornaments.
 
 
   If you care to, you can listen to an individual piece by clicking on
   its title or to all pieces successively by using the playlist at the
   bottom of the page here:
   [1]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/baroque-lute-2/la-rhetorique-des-di
   eux/.  For those of you who do not know me, be forewarned: I am not a
   professional musician, and this is strictly an amateur endeavor.
   Nevertheless, I hope you will find it pleasant enough listening. Please
   feel free to explore my website by using the expandable menu on the
   left side of the page.
 
 
   I hope you will forgive my including off-topic information on another
   recent project of mine. I have revised my translation of Dante's Divine
   Comedy in iambic pentameter and terza rima and now offer it as a Kindle
   e-book. It is written in modern diction and normal syntax and strives
   to remain highly faithful to the sense of the original. Moreover, it is
   the only translation in the 400-year history of Dante translations into
   English to employ perfect rhyme throughout. If you are interested, you
   can find generous samples by clicking on the cover image at the
   following Amazon pages:
 
 
   The Inferno: [2]http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JQWNUXC
 
   The Purgatorio: [3]http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JRD2MPW
 
   The Paradsiso: [4]http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JS3B414
 
   The whole Divine Comedy: [5]http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JST98MK
 
   Best regards to all,
 
   Stephen Arndt
 
 
 
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   5. http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00JST98MK
 
 
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: New Recording

[Rob MacKillop]

Well, I do like the sound you are making, and the basses sound good to my ears 
- very clear, and with little sustain, which is generally a good thing for open 
strings and moving bass lines. 

I do wonder though how thick the lowest strings must be, and what size of holes 
you must have in the bridge. 

Looking around the rest of your website, I'm astonished how much recording you 
have done. Although not a professional, your interpretations must carry some 
authenticity for how the many hundreds of good amateur lutenists played. I am 
perfectly content to sit with headphones on and listen to all this wonderful 
music through your performances. 

I do wish, however, you would consider joining SoundCloud, and using their 
player. I'm afraid your player does not work continuously on my iPad. It would 
be nice to just click Play once, then lie back and enjoy the beautiful sounds, 
music and playing. 

Rob

www.robmackillop.net 

 On 5 May 2014, at 17:52, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote:
 
 Thank you, Rob, for your kind words about my Dante work. I have revised it 
 extensively since the version I sent you a number of years ago and made 
 numerous improvements.
 
 I see that the title of the work got garbled because of the acute accent on 
 the e. I'm sure everyone figured out it is La rhetorique des dieux.
 
 The string length on my Andreas von Holst 11-course is 67.5 centimeters; the 
 strings are made by Damian Dlugolecki and tuned to A = 392. Andreas von Holst 
 thought that the pure gut basses sounded terrible. I think they needed a 
 little time to settle in, and now I think they sound good, but I shall let 
 you all judge for yourselves. Some of you may not like them. I use a .46 on 
 the top course, and it usually lasts three or four months. I haven't found 
 any other stringmaker whose strings last that long.
 
 As for pros and cons, the main advantage is simply the sound of gut. I think 
 that even with my amateur technique the sound is both warm and clear for the 
 most part. I find it difficult to maintain those qualities when the melody 
 dips down into a lower register, which it does often enough in La 
 rhetorique, but that is probably more a consequence of my playing than of 
 the strings themselves. The main disadvantage is the instability of tuning. I 
 record on a Fostex and get 7 minutes and 13 seconds worth at 48 Hz. If I 
 don't get a good take in that time period (and I usually don't the first few 
 times), the instrument will probably have gone out of tune, and I shall have 
 to retune before the next take. I know that some people on the list perform 
 in public on gut strings. I play at my wife's church once a month and use the 
 New Nylgut strings for that. I can't imagine what a tuning nightmare playing 
 on gut would be. That's about all I can say on that topic. Thanks for 
 listening.
 
 -Original Message- From: Rob MacKillop
 Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 11:21 AM
 To: stephen arndt
 Cc: baroque-lute mailing-list ; lute mailing list list
 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] New Recording
 
 I can highly recommend Stephen's translation of the Divine Comedy, as I've 
 enjoyed a private copy for a number of years. I'm really pleased to see it 
 available as an eBook, and will get a copy of that for my iPad.
 
 Stephen, it is great to listen to your performances with pure gut strings. 
 Can you tell us about your experience with them, pros and cons? And who made 
 them? What string length and pitch? Etc ;-)
 
 And thanks for recording the entire publication! Hearty congratulations for 
 getting through it!
 
 Rob
 
 www.robmackillop.net
 
 On 5 May 2014, at 15:33, stephen arndt stephenwar...@verizon.net wrote:
 
  Dear Friends,
 
  I invite you to listen to my recording of Denis Gaultier's La
  rhA(c)torique des dieux on an Andreas von Holst 11-course lute strung
  entirely in pure gut (i.e., the basses are not gimped). Quite some time
  ago I recorded the first forty-three pieces and then put the project
  aside for well over a year owing to various reasons. Towards the end of
  last year I resumed it and recorded pieces forty-four to sixty-one but
  was very dissatisfied with my earlier recordings in terms of tempo and
  sound quality, so I redid them. I used the tablature available for free
  on Richard Civiol's site and took the Louis Pernot recordings as a
  model, arpeggiating chords where he did and attempting to imitate his
  ornaments.
 
 
  If you care to, you can listen to an individual piece by clicking on
  its title or to all pieces successively by using the playlist at the
  bottom of the page here:
  [1]http://www.verseandsong.com/song/baroque-lute-2/la-rhetorique-des-di
  eux/.  For those of you who do not know me, be forewarned: I am not a
  professional musician, and this is strictly an amateur endeavor.
  Nevertheless, I hope you will find it pleasant enough listening. Please
  feel free to explore my website by using the expandable menu on the
  left

[LUTE] Straloch Recordings

[Rob MacKillop]

   I've added 17 tunes for 7c lute from the Straloch manuscript to my
   Scottish Lute Recording Project
   site:A [1]http://scottishlute.com/straloch/A
   There you will see a couple of images of Robert Gordon of Straloch,
   who, when he wasn't compiling the manuscript, was a contributor to
   Blaeu's Atlas. And I've also included an old photograph of his house
   where he wrote the original manuscript. Sadly, only a copy of the
   manuscript survives, written out by George Farquhar Graham in the 19th
   century. Graham admits he missed out many of the dances - now they seem
   to lost forever.
   Much of the manuscript is for 10c lute, but these pieces are all for
   7c, with the 7th course at F.

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[LUTE] Scottish Lute Recording Project

[Rob MacKillop]

   My Scottish Lute Recording Project is back on track after a two-year
   hiatus. I've just uploaded 25 pieces (with more to come) from the
   Rowallan ms. There are many other performances on the site, especially
   Panmure 5 and Balcarres.
   Here's the link:A [1]http://scottishlute.com
   I used a 7c lute by Bill samson for the Rowallan pieces.A
   Aye,
   Rob MacKillop

   --

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[LUTE] Re: Rob MacKillop’s Scottish Art of Music Manuscript - text and musical examples online

[Rob MacKillop]

   James, this is brilliant. Thank you! I'll place a link on my website.A
   It's funny - I did my initial work on it back in 1996 from a copy of
   Maynard's dissertation held in Edinburgh University library, and
   recorded it the same year for a CD that came out the following year.
   But I haven't given it any thought since then until this week, and it
   has been fun to rediscover the music. I'll be making a video of four of
   the pieces later this morning on a 7c.A
   Hopefully more people will take a look at exploring this rather quirky
   manuscript, and at its suitability for playing on the lute.
   Rob

   On 26 April 2014 09:02, James Kimbel [1]jimkim...@gmail.com wrote:

 Many thanks to Rob MacKillop for intabulating several beautiful
 pieces
 from the Anonymous Scottish Manuscript BM Add ms 4911 (The Art of
 Music), and many more thanks to him for putting his intabulations
 online.
 In his edition, Rob mentions the PhD. thesis where he got the
 transcriptions:
 Judson Dana Maynard, An anonymous Scottish treatise on music from
 the
 sixteenth century, British Museum, Additional Manuscript 4911,
 edition
 and commentary, 2 vols. (Ph.D. dissertation, Indiana University,
 1961)
 I was thinking about ordering a copy of the dissertation to make
 more
 intabulations when I discovered that the text of the manuscript and
 many of its musical examples are online for free at:
 Texts on Music in English
 [2]http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tme/16th/16th.html
 Just scroll down to SCOTA3B1 TEXT for the first part of the
 manuscript
 and then there's SCOTA3B2 TEXT, SCOTA3B3 TEXT,  SCOTA3B4 TEXT for
 the
 rest of it.
 From what I've read so far, much of the manuscript is a tutor on
 descant, that is, improvising over (and/or under) a cantus firmus,
 a
 necessary skill for singers of sacred music. After the descant
 section
 there is a tutor for faburden, another necessary skill for
 singers.
 The text is 16th Century Scottish/Latin and not TOO difficult to
 understand, although a translation would be useful. The musical
 examples are small GIFs in modern notation, and since they give
 credit
 to Maynard's thesis, are presumably his. In some of them the staff
 lines don't reproduce, but there's enough there with staff lines for
 more intabulations. Since there are quite a few pieces that could be
 intabulated, I'll probably order the dissertation to get a larger,
 somewhat clearer copy. It's a great find. Thank you again, Rob.
 (While you're on the TME page, scroll down further and you'll find
 the
 text and musical examples from Thomas Morley: A Plaine and Easie
 Introduction to Practicall Musicke.)
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   2. http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tme/16th/16th.html
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[LUTE] Re: Re: Rob MacKillop’s Scottish Art of Music Manuscript - text and musical examples online

[Rob MacKillop]

   Update.
   I've made a video of four of the pieces, and added James' info
   regarding the online scores:
   [1]http://robmackillop.net/lute/the-art-of-music/
   Cheers,
   Rob

   On 26 April 2014 09:18, Rob MacKillop [2]robmackil...@gmail.com
   wrote:

 A  A James, this is brilliant. Thank you! I'll place a link on my
 website.A

   A  A It's funny - I did my initial work on it back in 1996 from a copy
   of
   A  A Maynard's dissertation held in Edinburgh University library, and
   A  A recorded it the same year for a CD that came out the following
   year.
   A  A But I haven't given it any thought since then until this week, and
   it
   A  A has been fun to rediscover the music. I'll be making a video of
   four of

 A  A the pieces later this morning on a 7c.A

   A  A Hopefully more people will take a look at exploring this rather
   quirky
   A  A manuscript, and at its suitability for playing on the lute.
   A  A Rob

   A  A On 26 April 2014 09:02, James Kimbel [1][3]jimkim...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   A  A  A Many thanks to Rob MacKillop for intabulating several beautiful
   A  A  A pieces
   A  A  A from the Anonymous Scottish Manuscript BM Add ms 4911 (The Art
   of
   A  A  A Music), and many more thanks to him for putting his
   intabulations
   A  A  A online.
   A  A  A In his edition, Rob mentions the PhD. thesis where he got the
   A  A  A transcriptions:
   A  A  A Judson Dana Maynard, An anonymous Scottish treatise on music
   from
   A  A  A the
   A  A  A sixteenth century, British Museum, Additional Manuscript 4911,
   A  A  A edition
   A  A  A and commentary, 2 vols. (Ph.D. dissertation, Indiana
   University,
   A  A  A 1961)
   A  A  A I was thinking about ordering a copy of the dissertation to
   make
   A  A  A more
   A  A  A intabulations when I discovered that the text of the manuscript
   and
   A  A  A many of its musical examples are online for free at:

   A  A  A Texts on Music in English

 A  A  A [2][4]http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tme/16th/16th.html

   A  A  A Just scroll down to SCOTA3B1 TEXT for the first part of the
   A  A  A manuscript
   A  A  A and then there's SCOTA3B2 TEXT, SCOTA3B3 TEXT,  SCOTA3B4 TEXT
   for
   A  A  A the
   A  A  A rest of it.
   A  A  A From what I've read so far, much of the manuscript is a tutor
   on
   A  A  A descant, that is, improvising over (and/or under) a cantus
   firmus,
   A  A  A a
   A  A  A necessary skill for singers of sacred music. After the descant
   A  A  A section
   A  A  A there is a tutor for faburden, another necessary skill for
   A  A  A singers.
   A  A  A The text is 16th Century Scottish/Latin and not TOO difficult
   to
   A  A  A understand, although a translation would be useful. The musical
   A  A  A examples are small GIFs in modern notation, and since they give
   A  A  A credit
   A  A  A to Maynard's thesis, are presumably his. In some of them the
   staff
   A  A  A lines don't reproduce, but there's enough there with staff
   lines for
   A  A  A more intabulations. Since there are quite a few pieces that
   could be
   A  A  A intabulated, I'll probably order the dissertation to get a
   larger,
   A  A  A somewhat clearer copy. It's a great find. Thank you again, Rob.
   A  A  A (While you're on the TME page, scroll down further and you'll
   find
   A  A  A the
   A  A  A text and musical examples from Thomas Morley: A Plaine and
   Easie
   A  A  A Introduction to Practicall Musicke.)

   A  A  A To get on or off this list see list information at

 A  A  A [3][5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A --
 References
 A  A 1. mailto:[6]jimkim...@gmail.com
 A  A 2. [7]http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tme/16th/16th.html
 A  A 3. [8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. http://robmackillop.net/lute/the-art-of-music/
   2. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   3. mailto:jimkim...@gmail.com
   4. http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tme/16th/16th.html
   5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   6. mailto:jimkim...@gmail.com
   7. http://www.chmtl.indiana.edu/tme/16th/16th.html
   8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

[LUTE] The Art Of Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   The Art of MusicA is a 16th-centuryA Scottish manuscript with the aim
   of teaching the rules of music to students of composition. None of the
   music is in lute tablature, but the largely two-part texture fits
   easily on the 7cA lute with a minimal amount of editing.A
   I recorded these five pieces in 2007 on a CD called Greysteil, which is
   no longer available. But you canA hear myA original sound files and
   download my intabulations for free one my website:
   [1]http://robmackillop.net/lute/the-art-of-music/
   I recorded one of the pieces on video using a 5c, but the music is
   better suited to a 6c or 7c instrument.A
   The music is not at all like the traditional music style associated
   with Scottish lute music, but it does open of the world of Music Fyne,
   as it was called. The manuscript includes music by Josquin, among
   others, and is quite backward looking for its age. Post-Reformation
   Scotland looked with scorn on such complex music, and it is miraculous
   that this music escaped the destructive hands of the religious zealots
   of the time.A
   Despite including Continental examples, the Scottish music contained in
   the manuscript is quite different, and difficult to draw parallel with,
   although the one relatively extended fantasia is quite 'normal', one
   might say.
   Anyway, I hope you enjoy listening to the music, or, more importantly,
   enjoy playing it.A
   Here's that link
   again:A [2]http://robmackillop.net/lute/the-art-of-music/A
   Rob MacKillop

   --

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   1. http://robmackillop.net/lute/the-art-of-music/
   2. http://robmackillop.net/lute/the-art-of-music/


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[LUTE] Re: The Art Of Music

[Rob MacKillop]

   Wise man!
   ;-)
   Rob

   On 25 April 2014 10:02, Bernd Haegemann [1]b...@symbol4.de wrote:

 Thank you very much, Rob!
 I chose to use directly your variations in the fantasy :)
 best wishes
 Bernd

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[LUTE] Video Performance - 5c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

   Following up on my recent post asking for info regarding the 5c lute,
   here is a video of me playing the six Ricercars Over Genevan Psalm
   Tunes by Christoph Dalitz. I think these are really interesting pieces,
   and I introduce each one with a short quotation from the relevant
   psalm.
   The lute is by Bill Samson. Parts of it were made back in the 1970s,
   parts in the 1980s, and parts of it earlier this month :-)
   Here's the video link:A [1]http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
   Cheers,
   Rob

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[LUTE] Re: Wolfenbüttel Lute Tablature - 15th century - possibly the earliest lute tablature

[Rob MacKillop]

   Thanks, James. Marc has done some great work there.A
   Rob

   On 23 April 2014 18:36, James Kimbel [1]jimkim...@gmail.com wrote:

 The recent discussion here about 5 course lutes reminded me that
 Marc Lewon recently published several articles on his blog
 about the pieces in the WolfenbA 1/4ttel Lute Tablature, which may
 be the
 earliest lute tablature. He has lots of scholarship, and lots of
 practical advice about playing with a plectrum as well as
 transcriptions
 into french tablature (WolfenbA 1/4ttel is written in an stroke
 notation
 which closely resembles the lute notation illustrated by another
 15th century German source).
 [2]http://mlewon.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/wolfenbuettel-lute-tablatu
 re/
 Marc even has a youtube video where he plays one of the pieces:
 Ich fare do hyn wen eA muA syn (WolfenbA 1/4ttel Lute Tablature)
 [3]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5jGg2o1N1M
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   1. mailto:jimkim...@gmail.com
   2. http://mlewon.wordpress.com/2014/02/22/wolfenbuettel-lute-tablature/
   3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5jGg2o1N1M
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[LUTE] Re: Video Performance - 5c lute

[Rob MacKillop]

   Too kind, David, but many thanks.
   I love this little lute.A
   Rob

   On 23 April 2014 22:27, David van Ooijen [1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   wrote:

   A  A As ever, you only have to take an instrument in hand, any
   instrument,
   A  A and you make it sound wonderful! Congrats. As ever.
   A  A David
   A  A ***
   A  A David van Ooijen

 A  A [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl
 A  A ***
 A  A On 23 April 2014 23:22, Rob MacKillop
 [3][4]robmackil...@gmail.com
 A  A wrote:
 A  A  A A A A Following up on my recent post asking for info
 regarding the 5c
 A  A  A lute,
 A  A  A A A A here is a video of me playing the six Ricercars Over
 Genevan
 A  A  A Psalm
 A  A  A A A A Tunes by Christoph Dalitz. I think these are really
 interesting
 A  A  A pieces,
 A  A  A A A A and I introduce each one with a short quotation from
 the
 A  A  A relevant
 A  A  A A A A psalm.
 A  A  A A A A The lute is by Bill Samson. Parts of it were made back
 in the
 A  A  A 1970s,
 A  A  A A A A parts in the 1980s, and parts of it earlier this month
 :-)
 A  A  A A A A Here's the video link:A
 [1][4][5]http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
 A  A  A A A A Cheers,
 A  A  A A A A Rob
 A  A  A A A A --
 A  A  A References
 A  A  A A A A 1. [5][6]http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k

   A  A  A To get on or off this list see list information at

 A  A  A [6][7]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
 A  A --
 References
 A  A 1. mailto:[8]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
 A  A 2. [9]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
 A  A 3. mailto:[10]robmackil...@gmail.com
 A  A 4. [11]http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
 A  A 5. [12]http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
 A  A 6. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
   4. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
   5. http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
   6. http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
   7. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   8. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   9. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
  10. mailto:robmackil...@gmail.com
  11. http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
  12. http://youtu.be/hTKxhY7Ej_k
  13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html