lion toughest and one question
Hello all, I'll try first to right my toughts and after, I will ask some questions. My first impression is not so good of lion. O yes, there are some fixes in vo and safari, with the extensions of the router, vo-activities, more voices in different languages, mission control and launchpad. But, there are even some bugs: Ellen , Xander and perhaps some other voices are speaking url's , mail-adresses and other elements very badly. (it's since ios4.2 and so, strange that is isn't repaired yet). About the speech settings: It seems that the extra voice-options are always enabled and this means that you always have to set the voice for every area on the screen even if you want to use only one voice. This seems a strange bug? The braille improvements are there but very little in my opinion: You can decide what to show on the display but you can't define a own (language independent) label for each control. It seems also not possible to scroll with the braille line around the screen without any restriction of area's, borders or other elements on the screen. This can be very useful for orientation on the screen and seems available in jaws or other windows screen readers for a long time. Also a bug: braille keys can not be modified to link vo-combinations to braille-keys. This was possible in sl so, it should be a bug. And of course : drag and drop. I am glad to see that it's implemented but I have to do more test to see if we can do the same as sighted users while dragging and dropping. 2. Questions: about mail and the favorite bar: I like more the classic-view because you can there very easily read only the subject, sender, date or other separated columns. Then you can quickly decide which message you want to read. But, some other should love more the new view. Anyway, I have seen that the favorites-bar is also available in the classic view. However, I am not able to put one of my folders in the favorites-bar. What I do: 1. I go to the folder I want to bring in the favorites-bar. 2. I press vo+ komma 3. I go to the favorites bar and with or without interacting, I press vo+ dot to drop. In booth situations, I had the message that the item couldn't be dropped there. Is this because of the classic view or Is there something that I am doing wrong? It would be glad if you can answer my question or give comments on my toughts. best regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Donna, I think this works for me in classic view so , perhaps you are using the new lay-out? best regards, William Op 22-jul.-2011, om 22:06 heeft Donna Goodin het volgende geschreven: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Why use a TrackPad?
Agreed! I'd be so happy if my macbook pro had a numpad. When I was first considering a macbook purchase, I was originally planning to get a 17 inch model. Thank God I went to an apple store first and saw that the keyboard on the 13 inch and 17 inch models was essentially identical: no numpad. I wouldn't mind slightly smaller keys if they could give us a numpad, or at least the six-pack that is on PC keyboards: insert, delete, home, end, pageup and pagedown. I did buy a separate numpad, which is supposedly Apple brand, but it doesn't seem to work very well. Either that or I just don't fully understand how to make use of the numpad commander. Anyway, I have the numpad and intend to make use of it if/when I ever set up VM fusion and am running windows. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why use a TrackPad? Hi David, In my opinion, because the small apple keyboard lacks the control key on the right side, it makes typing certain vo key combinations, such as the commonly used voa, or vo f, kind of a pain.I suppose one could use the keyboard commander and the right option key plus letters on the left hand to accomplish these things, or purchase a numeric keypad and use the num pad commander. But if you have an macbook pro already, you have a track pad. So I'm not sure why you'd want to buy another one. I think a numeric keypad would greatly enhance the MBP, since it would open up the full range of num pad commander keys to you. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: anyone tried finereader yet on lion?
Hello Anouk, For those who bought ABBYY FineReader from the Mac Appstore, an update for Lion is available. For those who bought it from the Website, we have to wait until sometime in August for the update. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jul 2011, at 19:25, anouk r adix wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anyone has tried abby finereader yet with lion because I want to know if it is compatible yet or if there is any news when it will be? Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Both Braille Table Flavours.
Hello Carolyn, In Leopard and Snow Leopard, the only Braille tables provided by Apple for use with Braille displays were for American English. Anyone using a different language had to download multilingual Braille from my Website. The multilingual Braille tables were provided by my husband, Archie. In Lion, Apple has used the Duxbury multilingual Braille tables. unfortunately, these are rather outdated and many people are disappointed. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jul 2011, at 20:54, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi Anne: What are these tables? Is this just related to braille printing? Carolyn On Jul 25, 2011, at 1:09 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Georges, Unfortunately, the CeciMac Braille tables won't work with Lion. There are no plans to create new ones either since the work required would be enormous and the demand is minimal. Apple has used the Duxbury tables and they are far from ideal. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jul 2011, at 05:12, Georges Zaynoun wrote: Hi! Is it possible in addition to the newly introduce braille tables by lion to install the cecimac.org braille tables? I am asking because there are combinations in numbers in the Swedish version that came with lion which I didn't like and I prefer the one I had from cecimac, I really installed the cecimac but that resulted in destroying all tables, now I am leaning due to other issues towards wiping out my hard drive and begin from scratch. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: docuscan vs finereader
Hello Anouk, The major problem with DocuScan is that it only offers English. In addition, since the OCR is done in the cloud, it's slower than doing it all on your computer. My preferred solution is to scan using VueScan and have ABBYY FineReader perform the OCR. If I'm scanning a whole book, I set VueScan to multipage scanning, and scan the whole book into one TIFF file. I have TIFF files all set to open with ABBYY FineReader by default so the file opens automatically and I just have to tell FineReader the title, where to put it and its format. Cheers, Anne , On 26 Jul 2011, at 01:56, anouk radix wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anyone has ocmpared docuscan vs finereader and especially the ocr results? Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ABBYY FineReader
Hello David, I wish I could find out which scanners work directly with ABBYY FineReader. This question has been asked endless times and no satisfactory answers have been forthcoming. For me, scanning with VueScan and OCR with ABBYY FineReader works seamlessly. Cheers, Anne On 26 Jul 2011, at 03:31, David Tanner wrote: Can you or someone on this list tell me which scanners will work with Fine Reader please. I understand that the Canon Canoscan Lide scanners may not work with Fine Reader. - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: ABBYY FineReader Hello everyone, For those of you who've recently bought ABBYY FineReader from the Mac Appstore, there's an update available to make it work with Lion. For those of you, like me, who bought ABBYY FineReader before the Appstore came on line, we have to wait until sometime in August for the update. I spoke to someone at ABBYY Europe in Germany this afternoon and he promised to let me know as soon as the update is available. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: YoruFukurou Tweet Reply Help.
If you have quick nav on, turn it off, and it should work Good luck, Naama On 26 Jul 2011, at 01:06, Emilio Hernandez wrote: Hello ladies and germs, I am writing because I am having somewhat of a minor issue I hope I can have help with. When desiring to reply to a tweet someone has made I press the enter key on the particular tweet. However, voiceover places focus on another individual and not the person I am choosing to reply to. This occurs when I am in the 2nd column of the table. Thank you all for whatever help can be provided. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, How is the track pad useful on the web? Does it let you read smaller chunks of text? I find that sometimes voice over reads chunks that are too big, especially if I want to read by line. I hate to ask it this way, because I don't wanto to compare voice over to anything else, but would the track pad navigation provide anything similar to a Jaws cursor? *don't kill me, I'm still new) Thanks, Naama On 26 Jul 2011, at 01:09, Dan wrote: Hello, I have a trackpad for my iMac and I also have an iPod Touch 4th generation. The biggest difference between the multi gesture trackpad and the touch screen on an iOS device is that all functions are done directly on the screen of the iOS device, except where the home button is used. On the Mac, the track pad is used in conjunction with the booster keys on the keyboard, Shift, Control, Option and such. While I do use my trackpad, mostly I use the full keyboard. The trackpad is really useful while on web pages, for example. You cannot use the trackpad to do actual virtual keyboard entry, as you do on the iOS devices. While I have an Apple Bluetooth keyboard to use with my iPod Touch, I usually use the touch screen instead. I only use the keyboard when I'm going to be dewing lots of typing on the Touch. Hope this gives a little more insight. Dan On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, Dan wrote: While I do use my trackpad, mostly I use the full keyboard. The trackpad is really useful while on web pages, for example. In what way? What can you do with it that you can't do on the keyboard? Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Facebook
Hi, I've had to switch to the main Facebook site and find it perfectly easy to use since I can't get VO on Mac to click the like or comment image. On iPhone I do still use a mix of mobile site and apps. Don't think I'd switch back to mobile site on Mac even if they fixed it now. Cheers Dave On 26 Jul 2011, at 06:18, joseph wrote: hello, i use the following link: http://m.facebook.com best On 26 Jul 2011, at 00:53, Steve vandecar wrote: Hello, What seems to be the best Facebook app for Mac Lion? Thanks Steve -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, Actually the trackpad interface is pretty different. I find it really useful for skipping around a screen but still use the keyboard for an awful lot of things. On 25 Jul 2011, at 23:59, Teresa Cochran wrote: I'm considering using the trackpad much more, as it would better simulate with Lion the layout of IOS4. With the keyboard I find myself having to press the keys to interact with objects. It would be nice to simply tap in the mail message preview area and read it, instead of using VO-shift-down-arrow twice to get there. If Lion is going to simulate the OS on IPods and IPhones, I figure I may as well use something similar to a touchscreen. Teresa On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: Hi: Actually, the trackpad and commander are pretty amazingly useful. A good friend of mine mapped out a lot of the keyboard commands, linking them with gestures. And the result is the ability to do with one hand many of the things that take 6 fingers on the keyboard. I use it so much that I don't know what came with the original setup of gestures, and which are the invented one.:) One of my face things to do wht the trackpad is continuous read. Then just turn it off when doing any serious typing. Take care Carolyn On Jul 25, 2011, at 3:15 PM, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: docuscan vs finereader
Op 26-7-2011 10:31, Anne Robertson schreef: Hello Anouk, The major problem with DocuScan is that it only offers English. In addition, since the OCR is done in the cloud, it's slower than doing it all on your computer. My preferred solution is to scan using VueScan and have ABBYY FineReader perform the OCR. If I'm scanning a whole book, I set VueScan to multipage scanning, and scan the whole book into one TIFF file. I have TIFF files all set to open with ABBYY FineReader by default so the file opens automatically and I just have to tell FineReader the title, where to put it and its format. Cheers, Anne , On 26 Jul 2011, at 01:56, anouk radix wrote: Hi, I was wondering if anyone has ocmpared docuscan vs finereader and especially the ocr results? Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Hey, Ah thanks for that, that is indeed pretty important for me since most of the texts I scan are in Dutch. I am pretty sure there are drivers for my scanner and at least snow leopard, i think hp will update them for lion as well so I think I would be able to use finereader directly if I can get it working with the sheetfeader. Thanks again! Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
I can tell you that numpad commandor is truly wonderful, and I am so glad I invested in a full keyboard. I know it's not that practical for mac book users so much, but if you're going to have an external device, you may want to consider it. Thanks, Naama On 26 Jul 2011, at 10:12, Missy Hoppe wrote: Agreed! I'd be so happy if my macbook pro had a numpad. When I was first considering a macbook purchase, I was originally planning to get a 17 inch model. Thank God I went to an apple store first and saw that the keyboard on the 13 inch and 17 inch models was essentially identical: no numpad. I wouldn't mind slightly smaller keys if they could give us a numpad, or at least the six-pack that is on PC keyboards: insert, delete, home, end, pageup and pagedown. I did buy a separate numpad, which is supposedly Apple brand, but it doesn't seem to work very well. Either that or I just don't fully understand how to make use of the numpad commander. Anyway, I have the numpad and intend to make use of it if/when I ever set up VM fusion and am running windows. Missy -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:57 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Why use a TrackPad? Hi David, In my opinion, because the small apple keyboard lacks the control key on the right side, it makes typing certain vo key combinations, such as the commonly used voa, or vo f, kind of a pain.I suppose one could use the keyboard commander and the right option key plus letters on the left hand to accomplish these things, or purchase a numeric keypad and use the num pad commander. But if you have an macbook pro already, you have a track pad. So I'm not sure why you'd want to buy another one. I think a numeric keypad would greatly enhance the MBP, since it would open up the full range of num pad commander keys to you. Mary Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
idrum on lion
hi anyone tried idrum under lion i purchased under sl and worked fine also any updates fro anyone trying auto tune from antaries i don't like the one in gb cause can't control it via midi like antaries thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using a mac full time?
Yes i am scanning in Swedish, and Swedish language is available so i don't get why it's producing so bad results given that i've set document language to Swedish. Furthermore nothing i do seems to have an impact on the result, it is just as bad, however much i adjust the paper etc. /Krister 25 jul 2011 kl. 19:30 skrev anouk radix: Op 13-7-2011 12:04, Krister Ekstrom schreef: Ok, then i really have to be sure that it's not me who is doing things wrongly here. The strange thing is that many times when i try to scan, Vuescan crashes just after the scan and produces a .rtf file that can't be opened and when it scans, it produces bad ocr for some reason, that is many errors and tildas and such. Would be thankful for tips on improving the ocr quality as i have to use ocr often, and i simply refuse to wait with upgrading to Lion just because Abbyy isn't yet compatible. /Krister 12 jul 2011 kl. 18.58 skrev Anne Robertson: Hello Krister, If you do much OCR with ABBYY FineReader, then you won't want to upgrade to Lion in a hurry. According to roaringapps.com FineReader isn't compatible with Lion. However, VueScan is shown as compatible with Lion. Cheers, Anne On 12 Jul 2011, at 14:13, Krister Ekstrom wrote: I have tried Vuescan and i must say i'm not satisfied with it. Firstly, it crashes on me after having scanned a document, and when it works, the ocr isn't at all as good as that of Abbyy finereader Express, which is my ocr app of choise. I don't know why this is, only that it is like that. I use the 64 bit version. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Hey Krister, Sorry for the very late reply but might it be that you dont scan in English but in another language and that vuescan just does not work well for that? Greetings, Anouk, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion toughest and one question
Hi, As i understand it, the braille support is more an european issue than an american one, being that we in Europe seem to use braille displays more than the Americans do, due to various reasons, so it's up to the European authorities and people to tell Apple accessibility in a polite way that we need a more flexible Braille support, and i think we will get it eventually. /Krister 26 jul 2011 kl. 08:04 skrev William Windels: Hello all, I'll try first to right my toughts and after, I will ask some questions. My first impression is not so good of lion. O yes, there are some fixes in vo and safari, with the extensions of the router, vo-activities, more voices in different languages, mission control and launchpad. But, there are even some bugs: Ellen , Xander and perhaps some other voices are speaking url's , mail-adresses and other elements very badly. (it's since ios4.2 and so, strange that is isn't repaired yet). About the speech settings: It seems that the extra voice-options are always enabled and this means that you always have to set the voice for every area on the screen even if you want to use only one voice. This seems a strange bug? The braille improvements are there but very little in my opinion: You can decide what to show on the display but you can't define a own (language independent) label for each control. It seems also not possible to scroll with the braille line around the screen without any restriction of area's, borders or other elements on the screen. This can be very useful for orientation on the screen and seems available in jaws or other windows screen readers for a long time. Also a bug: braille keys can not be modified to link vo-combinations to braille-keys. This was possible in sl so, it should be a bug. And of course : drag and drop. I am glad to see that it's implemented but I have to do more test to see if we can do the same as sighted users while dragging and dropping. 2.Questions: about mail and the favorite bar: I like more the classic-view because you can there very easily read only the subject, sender, date or other separated columns. Then you can quickly decide which message you want to read. But, some other should love more the new view. Anyway, I have seen that the favorites-bar is also available in the classic view. However, I am not able to put one of my folders in the favorites-bar. What I do: 1.I go to the folder I want to bring in the favorites-bar. 2.I press vo+ komma 3.I go to the favorites bar and with or without interacting, I press vo+ dot to drop. In booth situations, I had the message that the item couldn't be dropped there. Is this because of the classic view or Is there something that I am doing wrong? It would be glad if you can answer my question or give comments on my toughts. best regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion toughest and one question
Would be so happy if I could edit the Swedish numbers in my braille table, thanks. Original message: Hi, As i understand it, the braille support is more an european issue than an american one, being that we in Europe seem to use braille displays more than the Americans do, due to various reasons, so it's up to the European authorities and people to tell Apple accessibility in a polite way that we need a more flexible Braille support, and i think we will get it eventually. /Krister 26 jul 2011 kl. 08:04 skrev William Windels: Hello all, I'll try first to right my toughts and after, I will ask some questions. My first impression is not so good of lion. O yes, there are some fixes in vo and safari, with the extensions of the router, vo-activities, more voices in different languages, mission control and launchpad. But, there are even some bugs: Ellen , Xander and perhaps some other voices are speaking url's , mail-adresses and other elements very badly. (it's since ios4.2 and so, strange that is isn't repaired yet). About the speech settings: It seems that the extra voice-options are always enabled and this means that you always have to set the voice for every area on the screen even if you want to use only one voice. This seems a strange bug? The braille improvements are there but very little in my opinion: You can decide what to show on the display but you can't define a own (language independent) label for each control. It seems also not possible to scroll with the braille line around the screen without any restriction of area's, borders or other elements on the screen. This can be very useful for orientation on the screen and seems available in jaws or other windows screen readers for a long time. Also a bug: braille keys can not be modified to link vo-combinations to braille-keys. This was possible in sl so, it should be a bug. And of course : drag and drop. I am glad to see that it's implemented but I have to do more test to see if we can do the same as sighted users while dragging and dropping. 2.Questions: about mail and the favorite bar: I like more the classic-view because you can there very easily read only the subject, sender, date or other separated columns. Then you can quickly decide which message you want to read. But, some other should love more the new view. Anyway, I have seen that the favorites-bar is also available in the classic view. However, I am not able to put one of my folders in the favorites-bar. What I do: 1.I go to the folder I want to bring in the favorites-bar. 2.I press vo+ komma 3.I go to the favorites bar and with or without interacting, I press vo+ dot to drop. In booth situations, I had the message that the item couldn't be dropped there. Is this because of the classic view or Is there something that I am doing wrong? It would be glad if you can answer my question or give comments on my toughts. best regards, William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Flash memory, how to solve this?
Hi, Each time I plug in a flash memory in my mac I get the following on its root directory: .Spotlight-V100, .Trashes folders and a ._.Trashes file, I am deleting them manually but how to hinder this from happening each time? Thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi, I have a magic trackpad and use it sometimes, however, unlike on IOs devices, i don't trust the trackpad for some stupid, unlogical reason. It should be like working with an IDevice, which i can do with no problems, but for some reason i feel the track pad gestures aren't enough and i don't trust them to do what i want them to do. As i say, there's no reason to feel like i do about this. It's probably because i haven't got enough info about it, haven't learned it at all. I would love to learn it and be efficient on it though. I really wish there was a tutorial on working the various aspects of MacOS using the track pad. /Krister 25 jul 2011 kl. 23:15 skrev erik burggraaf: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. I like the idea personally, but in my experience the trackpad commander on a macbook doesn't work nearly as well as the IOS touchscreen interface unless I'm trying to type and accidentally hit it with my palm. Then it works wonders taking me all kinds of places I never meant to go. You'll get a lot of feedback from people who find it really useful, but I think it's kind'a gimicky . Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing the Ebony consulting announcements list, A monthly newsletter about services, events, promotions, and other information on access technology consulting. To read more and subscribe, Visit: http://www.erik-burggraaf.com/mailman/listinfo/ebony-promos_erik-burggraaf.com Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2011-07-25, at 5:09 PM, Geoff Shang wrote: Hi, My wife and I were pondering on the subject of trackpads in relation to using VoiceOver, and we thought we'd tap into the collective whisdom here. What, if anything, does a trackpad allow you to do that you can't do with the keyboard? Or is it merely another interface to the same commands? I know some of you have varius macbook models where a trackpad comes as standard, but we have an iMac and want to know if a trackpad is something we should consider purchasing. But we're not going to buy one if all it does is make Mac OS X feel more like iOS. Any thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Reversing Installation.
Hi! Using an unpartitioned and non-formatted hard drive, I wonder can one install windows first then use the mac os x dvd and use disk utility to resize that windows partition and finally install Lion? Thanks. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi there, I think I have commented on this quite some time ago. I bought the trackpad and figured at $69.00 I would take the chance. I have found it confusing to say the least. I find that I don't have a sense of where I am on the screen. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:56 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi All, I'm puzzled. vo-j is working just fine for me with both classic and new layout. I wonder if you might have disabled the preview pane? Best, Zack. On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: yet another VO feature broken?
That's exactly why I chose to go back to Snow Leopard for the time being. I found that I was avoiding the mac because the lion issues I was experiencing were just bugging me, probably more than they should. Although I think the battery drain and running significantly warmer stuff was a fairly legitimate concern. Anyway, for now, I feel much happier using snow leopard, and I'll give lion another chance once some of the bugs have been ironed out. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
I don't blame you. I thought about it, too. But I do think that others are probably right, that there will be an update released soon. so for now, I'm sitting tight, and I'll try the update when it's released. If that doesn't help, I'll probably go back to SL too. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: That's exactly why I chose to go back to Snow Leopard for the time being. I found that I was avoiding the mac because the lion issues I was experiencing were just bugging me, probably more than they should. Although I think the battery drain and running significantly warmer stuff was a fairly legitimate concern. Anyway, for now, I feel much happier using snow leopard, and I'll give lion another chance once some of the bugs have been ironed out. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:11 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Yes, VO definitely says how many mail messages there are in a conversation under the new layout, but it never said that for me in snow leopard. Also, about ending up in hte message content window, I usually arrow up and down a conversation, then read all the messages, and then shift tab back to the message list and delete the conversation. I haven't found my mac less pleasant to use at all. The new activities are making my life easier, and I like the improved Alex. On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 7:49 AM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Oh no wonder it said six or something when I went back and forth. Just need to get of the Message content as I keep doing command W. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:49 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Does VO say this on its own? Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline zkl...@speedpost.net wrote: Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like Six message conversation. I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hi. I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so mail is broken! Kawal. Sent from my iPhone On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin goodi...@msu.edu wrote: I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my Mac is less pleasant to use now. Best, Donna On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: one more thing broken in mail?
So, if you have gotten yourself into full screen mode, how do you get out of it? On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Zack, thanks, you nailed it. Not sure how I did that, but yes, somehow it got set to full screen. All working well now that I've exited full-screen. Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, Nope, I can't confirm. It works just fine for me. ONe thought though: have you perhaps accidentally set the program to full screen mode? If you do this there are some known bugs and strange behaviors with multiple windows in applications. I just don't use it and command-accent works fine for me in all cases. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
downloads button missing and how to get it back
Hey guys whenever i download something in safari, my downloads button is missing. anyway of getting it back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Fwd: Here's one way of adding a hotkey to access the Safari 5.1 Downloads window in Lion
Hi Folks, The behavior of the Safari downloads window in Lion annoyed me enough to send me searching for a workaround. I'm sure plenty of fixes and nice accessible third party download managers will arrive soon if they haven't already, but for now the following VO-friendly workaround from Fastscripts is my favorite find so far. While this script does not restore the downloads window to it's previous SL behavior as a separate window, it does make for a quick way to toggle the window open and closed and it moves the focus of the VO cursor to match. Two caveats: The script doesn't work if Safari is in Full Screen mode or if you have hidden the Safari Toolbar. http://www.red-sweater.com/blog/1949/restore-safaris-downloads-keyboard-shortcut HTH, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using a mac full time?
Hello Krister, Did you download the Swedish OCR package from the Hamrick website? I can't guarantee that it will help, since the French just got worse with the French OCR package. We've contacted Ed Hamrick about this but had no reply yet. Cheers, Anne On 26 Jul 2011, at 11:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Yes i am scanning in Swedish, and Swedish language is available so i don't get why it's producing so bad results given that i've set document language to Swedish. Furthermore nothing i do seems to have an impact on the result, it is just as bad, however much i adjust the paper etc. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
sorting folders in favorites of mail, help needed pls
Hi all, I was finally able to put folders in the favorites of the mail in classic view. But, I don't understand the context there: what is the meaning of the checkboxes next to each folder-alias? How can I re-order the folders in the favorites? And finally, to remove pre-defined folders there with mouse click up/down like described here before, seems not to work. Any hints would be very appreciated. best regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using a mac full time?
Hm, i didn't think it was necessary, but i could always try going there and downloading that package, since the results i get now from Vuescan are so terrible they remind me of the long gone days of the first Kurtzwail Personal Reader 7315. I was trying to set up bills today, and i barely managed to do this. Had it been Finereader it would have worked flawlessly. Now the Mac and the IPhone with Prizmo performs about as badly that is if Prizmo performs at all. /Krister 26 jul 2011 kl. 15:18 skrev Anne Robertson: Hello Krister, Did you download the Swedish OCR package from the Hamrick website? I can't guarantee that it will help, since the French just got worse with the French OCR package. We've contacted Ed Hamrick about this but had no reply yet. Cheers, Anne On 26 Jul 2011, at 11:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Yes i am scanning in Swedish, and Swedish language is available so i don't get why it's producing so bad results given that i've set document language to Swedish. Furthermore nothing i do seems to have an impact on the result, it is just as bad, however much i adjust the paper etc. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: downloads button missing and how to get it back
Hi, maybe your download is too short for you to catch the button. If your downloading a file that finishes in a few seconds, by the time you get to the download button it will be gone. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey guys whenever i download something in safari, my downloads button is missing. anyway of getting it back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more thing broken in mail?
Just press escape. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:42 AM, Richard Ring wrote: So, if you have gotten yourself into full screen mode, how do you get out of it? On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Zack, thanks, you nailed it. Not sure how I did that, but yes, somehow it got set to full screen. All working well now that I've exited full-screen. Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, Nope, I can't confirm. It works just fine for me. ONe thought though: have you perhaps accidentally set the program to full screen mode? If you do this there are some known bugs and strange behaviors with multiple windows in applications. I just don't use it and command-accent works fine for me in all cases. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: downloads button missing and how to get it back
I just go to Downloads on my dock and get to them from there, and I find it the easiest way to find and open them too. Cheers Dave On 26 Jul 2011, at 14:35, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, maybe your download is too short for you to catch the button. If your downloading a file that finishes in a few seconds, by the time you get to the download button it will be gone. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey guys whenever i download something in safari, my downloads button is missing. anyway of getting it back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Resolved, I Think, Was Re: How To Read Mail Message Headers?
It works with long headers but not on the other header setting. Teresa On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: Odd, I'm getting the same thing whether in full screen mode or not, classic layout or regular layout. On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: It's not working for me. It just says space, new line and a VO-a doesn't yield any more results. I have it in full-screen mode, too. I tried it in standard window mode, and no change. Teresa On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, I just did it. All I did was interact with the Headers group, and VO left once and it started to read the message headers such as from, subject, ETC. HTH, Jeffrey On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, folk, I can't seem to detect any text in message headers in mail. Am I going crazy, or has anyone else had this problem? I've tried interacting with the headers group and headers text and I get text, new line. TiA Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Resolved, I Think, Was Re: How To Read Mail Message Headers?
Duh, I had none selected in the viewing tab under show header details. Wow what an idiot lol. Even on default now it works to read header info when I interact. Great. :) It also reads the from field now when arrowing up and down messages in the content area of a conversation, I think I like that as I can quickly know who a message is from when I'm reading it. IF it gets annoying I can set it back to none. On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: It works with long headers but not on the other header setting. Teresa On Jul 25, 2011, at 12:32 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: Odd, I'm getting the same thing whether in full screen mode or not, classic layout or regular layout. On Jul 25, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: It's not working for me. It just says space, new line and a VO-a doesn't yield any more results. I have it in full-screen mode, too. I tried it in standard window mode, and no change. Teresa On Jul 24, 2011, at 11:57 PM, Jeffrey Shockley wrote: Hi, I just did it. All I did was interact with the Headers group, and VO left once and it started to read the message headers such as from, subject, ETC. HTH, Jeffrey On Jul 25, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, folk, I can't seem to detect any text in message headers in mail. Am I going crazy, or has anyone else had this problem? I've tried interacting with the headers group and headers text and I get text, new line. TiA Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about reading subtitling with VO
Hi again, And if we tried to read the captions with the mouse cursor? 1) in VoiceOver Utilities check the option read everything under the mouse 2) Put the mouse on the caption: a) with VO+left; VO+right put the VoiceOver on the caption. VO+shift +down to enter in the caption's element. Then Vo+right until the middle of caption. b) call mouse pointer to VoiceOver Cursor with VO+command+F5 3) Now play the video (VO+space on play/pause button) and put the head of index finger in contact with touchpad (don't scroll it). If you balance the head of index finger right and left - that produce a very small movement in the mouse pointer, sufficient to refresh the next caption. Is not the good solution but is sufficient to access to close captions with VoiceOver. You could check an example, in portuguese, of this with the Debtocracy Documentary at: http://universalaccess.blogspot.com/2011/07/voiceover-no-lion-cegos-leem-legendas.html Seems me if we could control the mouse pointer with cursor-routing keys of display braille this could be more accurately controlled, and we could continue to listen the caption or either read it in display braille - course, we need to be a very faster braille reader!. Cheers, Jorge Fernandes On Jul 19, 10:21 pm, Jorge Fernandes jor...@sidar.org wrote: Seems me you right, Chris. But maybe the wrong isn't the way that Google implement the caption but how Apple implement the hotspots. I'll send to Apple our discussion, to see if it is possible to do something or to give us more information about how to use the hotspot. Another option, if VisioVoice (from AssistiveWare) read the srt or txt file [1] respecting the timetables (we coded in this files) it will be possible to produce one audio file to syncronised with our movie. Is not the same, but maybe works... Thanks, Jorge -- [1] typical file format with captions to syncronized with a movie. [00:00:09.36] Bom dia ! [00:00:11.00] [00:00:11.92] Antes de iniciar a minha comunicação queria agradecer a vossa presença [00:00:15.64] [00:00:16.00] uma vez que temos o privilégio, enquanto Centro de Recursos de Inclusão Digital, [00:00:21.84] On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, Chris Blouch cblo...@aol.com wrote: Seems like hotspots would do the trick but I couldn't get it to work. Under the hood there is a span with a class of captions-text which I assume is where my hotspot is attached when I set one. But when the next caption is inserted, instead of updating the text inside that span the entire span is destroyed and re-created. I'm guessing this breaks the hotspot assignment. This seems to be the case because just after the text changes doing a VO-command-1 (for the #1 hotspot I had assigned) say Hot spot no longer exists. This is one of those cases where not doing the right thing under the hood has negative conseques for assistive technology. I've seen similar things with web-based chat clients that redrew the entire chat roll rather than append one new item, causing AT to read the entire conversation every time. Not sure how to get that fixed. Probably considered an edge case since most VO users wouldn't want to hear the captions in addition to the audio. CB On 7/13/11 5:45 AM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more thing broken in mail?
control+cmd+f toggles between full screen and regular window size. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:42 AM, Richard Ring wrote: So, if you have gotten yourself into full screen mode, how do you get out of it? On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi Zack, thanks, you nailed it. Not sure how I did that, but yes, somehow it got set to full screen. All working well now that I've exited full-screen. Cheers, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:22 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, Nope, I can't confirm. It works just fine for me. ONe thought though: have you perhaps accidentally set the program to full screen mode? If you do this there are some known bugs and strange behaviors with multiple windows in applications. I just don't use it and command-accent works fine for me in all cases. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Word processing Q and intro
Hi, I purchased Pages a few years ago, maybe in 2009, and at that time it did not work well with VO. While I was able to work within the application VO had difficulties with focus and with continius reading from one page to another. Perhaps things have been improved in subsiquent releases? What version are you using? On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Larry, What are your problems with Pages? If you could be specific, I might be able to help you. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:56, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I used to be on this list and with the release of Lion and some issues I'm having I decided to begin participating once again. I've been using a Mac since at least 2006. My question relates to finding a good word processing program. I'm starting graduate school in a few weeks and a big part of that will be research and writing. I currently have Pages and Text Edit on my iMac. Pages has ongoing Voiceover issues and Text Edit seemingly is very basic and lacks the tools I might need. I've tried Open Office with mixed results. That could be an option as I may not have spent enough time with it. I wonder if anyone has other suggestions for fully accessible word processing programs that are equivalent to MS Office in terms of functionality? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Optimizing Visibility of Folders While Dragging to the Favorites Bar
Hi. I love the keyboard shortcuts for the favorites bar in Mail. Unfortunately, it's difficult for me to optimize visibility of mailboxes. Most of the time, whether in full-screen mode or not, or whether or not I hide other windows, I get is not visible when I try to drop it in place, and I have no idea how to resolve it. Any ideas? Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Is this really Apple software???
Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: downloads button missing and how to get it back
well, the downloads button is in a different place on my machine it's not wright by the google search field like it was before. On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:37 AM, David Taylor wrote: I just go to Downloads on my dock and get to them from there, and I find it the easiest way to find and open them too. Cheers Dave On 26 Jul 2011, at 14:35, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, maybe your download is too short for you to catch the button. If your downloading a file that finishes in a few seconds, by the time you get to the download button it will be gone. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: Hey guys whenever i download something in safari, my downloads button is missing. anyway of getting it back? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Why use a TrackPad?
Hi Geoff:It really comes down to what you need, and how you prefer to navigate. The beauty of this whole system is it's built-in flexibility, and the choices it affords. Unfortunately, this also makes learning the system more difficult sometimes. Kind of like too many differing kinds of toothpaste each of which does essentially the same thing.:) Some people like to use trackpad, some numbed, some just prefer a pc. (sorry for them.:) I'd have to say, unless you just want to play with another option for navigating, there's no need to add a trackpad to your configuration. JMO. Carolyn, On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:56 AM, Geoff Shang wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2011, erik burggraaf wrote: Well, it's one way of avoiding all the multi-finger keystrokes. Indeed. I forgot to mention that we bought a full-sized keyboard with numpad so that we could use Numpad Commander, which I guess is relevant to this discussion. So the question is, should we get a trackpad *as well*? Apart from the comment about it being useful on web pages, I'm thinking not. Geoff. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice Over Manual for Lion?
Hello Unless there is something else I've not come across before, in which case how dumb am I? I think you can get the manual in the VO + H menu under getting Started Guide. BTW Lion pretty painless so far. A few oddities, but the drag and drop is great. It was the one thing I still really missed from Outspoken, even if it's currently a bit limited. To those who are less enthusiastic about Lion, every time an OS has changed and I've been using Macs since 1991 so that's a lot, it always seems strange and sometimes even scary, but it always works out in the end. There are always compensations. Cheers Adrienne On Jul 26, 2:01 am, David Tanner david.tanner...@gmail.com wrote: Well I realize that it takes a little bit of work, but the link takes you to the table of contents of the manual. So go to the link that takes you to chapter 1. Once that chapter is up go to the file menu in IE and save the page as chapter 1. I saved it as a HTML file and as a plain text file. Then I went back to the menu and went and brought up chapter 2. And did the same with that chapter until I had finished all the chapters and the two appendix pages. Then since I wanted even more flexability I took the text files into my favorite OCR software and had my favorite OCR software convert them into MP3 files so that I also have the entire manual in audio too. Yes, it took a little while to do this, but since I have a rather fast computer I finished the entire project in a couple of hours and now have the manual on my Book Sense and in the public folder of my dropbox so I have access to it from wherever I am and might need it. Now if I was a nice guy I would zip the whole thing into one file and give people a link to it, but I am not sure that Apple would be happy if I did that so I am not going to take that chance.- Original Message - From: Paul Henrichsen pfhj2...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:10 AM Subject: Re: Voice Over Manual for Lion? Hi. The problem with this link is that you have to remain in front of your computer in order to read the manual. It's just an index file. Downloading it won't help much as there is nothing for the index to find. You can't put this file onto another device such as a vr stream or bp. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:44 PM, David Tanner wrote: Someone nicely passed along the link yesterday afternoon. Here it is. Enjoy! http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.7/English.lproj/index.html - Original Message - From: Michael Busboom m...@busboom.at To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:35 AM Subject: Voice Over Manual for Lion? Hello everyone, I went to the Apple accessibility page and looked for the VO manual for Lion, but I came up empty. I won't be able to install Lion for another week or so, but I had hoped to be able to read the manual in advance. Would someone be willing to send it to me off-list if it comes unbundled from Lion? If I am unknowingly asking you to do something illegal, then by no means should you accommodate me. :) Best regards, Mike -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Hello Larry. Wow! It sounds like you are having one heck of a time with Lion after you're upgrade. I'd suggest repairing disk permissions to start. Another thing you might try is to download a mac maintenance tool like onyx to run some of the general mac maintenance tasks. The problems you are having with mail and software update are definitely not happening over here but VoiceOver does definitely have some issues. My suggestion to you would be to contact the Apple accessibility team and let them know about you're findings with zoom, reverse contrast, and VoiceOver. Even if they don't respond, they'll take what you say to heart. Let me know if I can help further. Matthew Campbell. On 2011-07-26, at 10:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: using a mac full time?
Update: I went to the Hammrick site and downloaded the language pack, and the results from scanning are now much better. If i have to gripe, i should say that one should have gotten a warning that a language pack for scanning wasn't installed and that i may have to go download it, but i didn't get such a warning, and heck it works now so why complain?:-) /Krister 26 jul 2011 kl. 15:34 skrev Krister Ekstrom: Hm, i didn't think it was necessary, but i could always try going there and downloading that package, since the results i get now from Vuescan are so terrible they remind me of the long gone days of the first Kurtzwail Personal Reader 7315. I was trying to set up bills today, and i barely managed to do this. Had it been Finereader it would have worked flawlessly. Now the Mac and the IPhone with Prizmo performs about as badly that is if Prizmo performs at all. /Krister 26 jul 2011 kl. 15:18 skrev Anne Robertson: Hello Krister, Did you download the Swedish OCR package from the Hamrick website? I can't guarantee that it will help, since the French just got worse with the French OCR package. We've contacted Ed Hamrick about this but had no reply yet. Cheers, Anne On 26 Jul 2011, at 11:42, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Yes i am scanning in Swedish, and Swedish language is available so i don't get why it's producing so bad results given that i've set document language to Swedish. Furthermore nothing i do seems to have an impact on the result, it is just as bad, however much i adjust the paper etc. /Krister -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
While it seems unlikely, I suppose it is possible spotlight is still indexing your files if you don't leave your mac turned on. If you do a command space and then vo+down arrow does it say anything about spotlight helping to find files and that not all results may be include? If so, leave your mac turned on for a few hours and the speed may increase. On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hello Larry. Wow! It sounds like you are having one heck of a time with Lion after you're upgrade. I'd suggest repairing disk permissions to start. Another thing you might try is to download a mac maintenance tool like onyx to run some of the general mac maintenance tasks. The problems you are having with mail and software update are definitely not happening over here but VoiceOver does definitely have some issues. My suggestion to you would be to contact the Apple accessibility team and let them know about you're findings with zoom, reverse contrast, and VoiceOver. Even if they don't respond, they'll take what you say to heart. Let me know if I can help further. Matthew Campbell. On 2011-07-26, at 10:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To
Desktop Questions.
Hello! What is the full path to the desktop on Mac OS X? When Mac OS X is freshly installed, the desktop seems to be empty, no macintosh HD or any other drive. I know from where in system preferences to change this behavior so these are placed on the desktop but if I don't want to do how do I open Macintosh HD or a dvd drive etc? The curious Mac beginner somehow. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Desktop Questions.
From the desktop, press: CMD+Shift+A will take you to application CMD+Shift+C for computer. Macintosh HD will be under that CMD+Shift+D will take you directly to the Desktop folder CMD+Shift+F will take you to All My Files CMD+Shift+H to go to your home folder. You'll find Desktop, Documents, Music, Movies, etc under this. CMD+Shift+K will take you to the Network folder. CMD+Shift+O will take you to the Documents folder. The path to the Desktop is: /Users/username/Desktop Brandon On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Georges Zaynoun wrote: Hello! What is the full path to the desktop on Mac OS X? When Mac OS X is freshly installed, the desktop seems to be empty, no macintosh HD or any other drive. I know from where in system preferences to change this behavior so these are placed on the desktop but if I don't want to do how do I open Macintosh HD or a dvd drive etc? The curious Mac beginner somehow. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A question about reading subtitling with VO
That would require some pretty close synch with the video playback engine to let VO know when the video was paused, rewound etc. Probably best to let VO read the end result which is the ticking text of the caption and let the player keep that caption text in sync with the video. CB On 7/19/11 5:21 PM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Seems me you right, Chris. But maybe the wrong isn't the way that Google implement the caption but how Apple implement the hotspots. I'll send to Apple our discussion, to see if it is possible to do something or to give us more information about how to use the hotspot. Another option, if VisioVoice (from AssistiveWare) read the srt or txt file [1] respecting the timetables (we coded in this files) it will be possible to produce one audio file to syncronised with our movie. Is not the same, but maybe works... Thanks, Jorge -- [1] typical file format with captions to syncronized with a movie. [00:00:09.36] Bom dia ! [00:00:11.00] [00:00:11.92] Antes de iniciar a minha comunicação queria agradecer a vossa presença [00:00:15.64] [00:00:16.00] uma vez que temos o privilégio, enquanto Centro de Recursos de Inclusão Digital, [00:00:21.84] On Jul 13, 8:24 pm, Chris Blouchcblo...@aol.com wrote: Seems like hotspots would do the trick but I couldn't get it to work. Under the hood there is a span with a class of captions-text which I assume is where my hotspot is attached when I set one. But when the next caption is inserted, instead of updating the text inside that span the entire span is destroyed and re-created. I'm guessing this breaks the hotspot assignment. This seems to be the case because just after the text changes doing a VO-command-1 (for the #1 hotspot I had assigned) say Hot spot no longer exists. This is one of those cases where not doing the right thing under the hood has negative conseques for assistive technology. I've seen similar things with web-based chat clients that redrew the entire chat roll rather than append one new item, causing AT to read the entire conversation every time. Not sure how to get that fixed. Probably considered an edge case since most VO users wouldn't want to hear the captions in addition to the audio. CB On 7/13/11 5:45 AM, Jorge Fernandes wrote: Hi, Since the launched of Youtube videos in HTML5 that it is possible to control all the buttons of the video interfaces with VoiceOver. I also noted that it is possible to read the subtitles, but I need continuosly press VO+left arrow VO+right arrow to positioning the cursor under the subtitles. VoiceOver read 1 subtitle and then stop, either when a new subtitle is already on the screen. I need continuously to jump to line before and then back to, current line to make VO read the subtitle. Is it possible we configure the VoiceOver to permanently read the subtitles in sequence, when they appear on screen? Something like a monitoring an HotSpot and when something new appear in that position read it? Thanks, Jorge Fernandes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Word processing Q and intro
Hello Larry, I'm using iWork09 with all updates applied. I would never use Pages just for reading, I prefer TextEdit for that. I can achieve most things I want using Pages, but there are problems. VoiceOver Find commands (find next, find previous, etc for bold, italic, colour change, font change, and so on) don't work at all, but VO-t will provide the information. As far as I'm concerned, this is the worst problem with Pages. Cheers, Anne On 26 Jul 2011, at 16:28, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I purchased Pages a few years ago, maybe in 2009, and at that time it did not work well with VO. While I was able to work within the application VO had difficulties with focus and with continius reading from one page to another. Perhaps things have been improved in subsiquent releases? What version are you using? On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:07 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Larry, What are your problems with Pages? If you could be specific, I might be able to help you. Cheers, Anne On 25 Jul 2011, at 15:56, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I used to be on this list and with the release of Lion and some issues I'm having I decided to begin participating once again. I've been using a Mac since at least 2006. My question relates to finding a good word processing program. I'm starting graduate school in a few weeks and a big part of that will be research and writing. I currently have Pages and Text Edit on my iMac. Pages has ongoing Voiceover issues and Text Edit seemingly is very basic and lacks the tools I might need. I've tried Open Office with mixed results. That could be an option as I may not have spent enough time with it. I wonder if anyone has other suggestions for fully accessible word processing programs that are equivalent to MS Office in terms of functionality? Thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Hi ray, I can take a stab at some of these questions. 1. Mail attachments work the way they did in SL for me, that is, there is a popup button in the headers group which you can use to select all or individual attachments to be saved. What I do is jump to the message text with vo-j, stop interacting, and move left and interact with the group. 2. Safari selection works for me, including the shift-down arrow key you mentioned. I typically use vo-enter to mark my selections, but there are multiple ways to do this. 3. The Safari sounds still work for me. I just disabled the percentages in the web category of VO utility. 4. My MBP doesn't run very hot at all, even when I run my Fusion VM. It's only got a core 2 duo, which is hardly a fast processor. Odd. Hope this helps a bit, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard
Guys, I just downloaded Spotify and installed it. the application is completely inaccessible with VO on Mac under Snow Leopard. I can use it with the limited vision I have by moving the mouse literally by hand. but that's not the worst of it. I was really freaked when i looked myself up on the service and encountered tunes that I hadn't released yet. I guess Spotify doesn't' distinguish between tunes they have on the cloud and tunes you have on your disk. I was trying to find out what tunes of mine were already on Spotify for streaming by the public. How does one distinguish the publicly available stuff from the stuff you own, yourself? If any of you are using Spotify, particularly those of you in Britain who may have some experience with it, I'd love to know the answers to these questions. thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: sorting folders in favorites of mail, help needed pls
The check boxes I'm not sure of. Maybe it's the highlighted folder at the time. As for the mouse click up and down, it only works if quick nav is off. As for reordering folders, use the click mouse down to select the folder you want to move, and mouse click up to drop it where you want it. The drag and drop feature doesn;t work when you want to rearrange your folders, only when you want to move them to the favorites. HTH Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians Sent From my IMac On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:19 AM, William Windels wrote: Hi all, I was finally able to put folders in the favorites of the mail in classic view. But, I don't understand the context there: what is the meaning of the checkboxes next to each folder-alias? How can I re-order the folders in the favorites? And finally, to remove pre-defined folders there with mouse click up/down like described here before, seems not to work. Any hints would be very appreciated. best regards, William -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Now that is very interesting. Every single time I try to select text off a web page in Safari using shift+down, I get a menu instead. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi ray, I can take a stab at some of these questions. 1. Mail attachments work the way they did in SL for me, that is, there is a popup button in the headers group which you can use to select all or individual attachments to be saved. What I do is jump to the message text with vo-j, stop interacting, and move left and interact with the group. 2. Safari selection works for me, including the shift-down arrow key you mentioned. I typically use vo-enter to mark my selections, but there are multiple ways to do this. 3. The Safari sounds still work for me. I just disabled the percentages in the web category of VO utility. 4. My MBP doesn't run very hot at all, even when I run my Fusion VM. It's only got a core 2 duo, which is hardly a fast processor. Odd. Hope this helps a bit, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: [Bulk] Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Hi Ray, Odd. I never get a menu when using shift and down arrow. I'm not sure why I would, those keystrokes don't open a menu in any program I'm aware of. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Now that is very interesting. Every single time I try to select text off a web page in Safari using shift+down, I get a menu instead. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi ray, I can take a stab at some of these questions. 1. Mail attachments work the way they did in SL for me, that is, there is a popup button in the headers group which you can use to select all or individual attachments to be saved. What I do is jump to the message text with vo-j, stop interacting, and move left and interact with the group. 2. Safari selection works for me, including the shift-down arrow key you mentioned. I typically use vo-enter to mark my selections, but there are multiple ways to do this. 3. The Safari sounds still work for me. I just disabled the percentages in the web category of VO utility. 4. My MBP doesn't run very hot at all, even when I run my Fusion VM. It's only got a core 2 duo, which is hardly a fast processor. Odd. Hope this helps a bit, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries
Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Well, that is what happens for me; and, also, VO+return does nothing for me at all in Safari. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Ray, Odd. I never get a menu when using shift and down arrow. I'm not sure why I would, those keystrokes don't open a menu in any program I'm aware of. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Now that is very interesting. Every single time I try to select text off a web page in Safari using shift+down, I get a menu instead. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi ray, I can take a stab at some of these questions. 1. Mail attachments work the way they did in SL for me, that is, there is a popup button in the headers group which you can use to select all or individual attachments to be saved. What I do is jump to the message text with vo-j, stop interacting, and move left and interact with the group. 2. Safari selection works for me, including the shift-down arrow key you mentioned. I typically use vo-enter to mark my selections, but there are multiple ways to do this. 3. The Safari sounds still work for me. I just disabled the percentages in the web category of VO utility. 4. My MBP doesn't run very hot at all, even when I run my Fusion VM. It's only got a core 2 duo, which is hardly a fast processor. Odd. Hope this helps a bit, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
It's nice to see somebody being generally positive on here! With regard to your questions, I can only say that my ordinary Macbook, the nice White one that you can't get any more because it apparently isn't good enough, runs just fine. There's the odd task that takes longer or makes it run hot that didn't used to, particularly opening and closing lots of apps, but I'll take the sandboxing any day as the performance loss is very minimal on my old fashioned thing! Take care Dave On 26 Jul 2011, at 18:22, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Another good post. I'm experiencing the pitch change with Nuance and have indeed emailed accessibility. Given that 10.7.2 is already seeded, I'm sure 10.7.1 can't be far from hitting us. Frankly, what we need to do is let them know about the VO issues so that hopefully in the future VO users who are sufficiently expert will be involved in the beta testing. Frankly, I'm a Mac user of less than a year and this is the very first time I ever dared upgrade my OS on the day of release, and I don't regret it! I bet all my issues are gone within days! On 26 Jul 2011, at 20:13, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
Hello Larry, I have one suggestion and one verification regarding two of your issues. Regarding mail freezing when looking at certain types of messages: DO you have mail set to automatically load remote images? If yes, perhaps you could try turning off that feature unless you really need them to load for some reason. You can toggle this setting in Mail Preferences / Viewing / Display Remote Images in HTML Messages. Incidentally, this is one of the settings that got automatically toggled back on when I upgraded to Lion. Regarding toggling the screen contrast: I am also experiencing this issue. Even pressing VO+Tab to ignore next key press does not help but it does seem as if VO is getting in the way somehow because like you I can toggle this setting if VO is off. For reference, I'm on a late 2010 MBA and Lion was upgraded from SL. HTH, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
keystrokes?
Okay, I'm use to being able to do certain keystrokes to accomplish certain things. For example, to correct a word during spell check was alt C, to choose the account I wanted to send from was alt M, and to check how many unread messages were in a folder was insert page down. Are there similar keystrokes in mail? I've googled this, and searched through the documentation and menus, but haven't been able to locate it. Thanks. Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians Sent From my IMac -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Reading ebooks on the Mac
Hi. Can anyone give some advice on reading e-books on the Mac? I've tried the Kindle and Kobo apps for Mac and they are both not accessible. I know that Stanza can read some DRM-free formats - but that only takes you so far. Are there any Mac solutions that are as easy to use and accessible as iBooks on the iPhone? Please help Thanks Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac
I am currently using Adobe Digital Edition 1.8 to read books from Kobo on the Mac. I am also getting it to work on the iPad. It takes some fiddling, but you can read books from there with either the Mac or the iPad or other iDevice. Jane On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Max wrote: Hi. Can anyone give some advice on reading e-books on the Mac? I've tried the Kindle and Kobo apps for Mac and they are both not accessible. I know that Stanza can read some DRM-free formats - but that only takes you so far. Are there any Mac solutions that are as easy to use and accessible as iBooks on the iPhone? Please help Thanks Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Desktop Questions.
Georges, If these items are not appearing on your Desktop and you wish to open them, go first under the Go menu in the Finder and choose one of the options such as documents folder (cmd-shift-o) or your Home folder (cmd-shift-h). Once a folder is open, you can access any other things through the Sidebar. Alternatively, you can press cmd-comma while on the Desktop to bring up Finder Preferences and check the boxes of the items you wish shown on the Desktop. HTH. Later… On 2011-07-26, at 9:50 AM, Georges Zaynoun wrote: Hello! What is the full path to the desktop on Mac OS X? When Mac OS X is freshly installed, the desktop seems to be empty, no macintosh HD or any other drive. I know from where in system preferences to change this behavior so these are placed on the desktop but if I don't want to do how do I open Macintosh HD or a dvd drive etc? The curious Mac beginner somehow. -- Georges Zeinoun Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 Mobile: +46707567315 E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
voiceover, lion, and safari
Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac
Hi Jane, Wow, this must be the 1.8 beta that is supposed to add accessibility support. According to the MacUpdate page, this was released July 20, 2011. Is this usable? The current stable version of Adobe Digital Editions (1.7.2) does not let VoiceOver read anything. The MacUpdate reviews of this product (stable versions) by sighted users are at the lowest ratings. Have things gotten better? On the iPad are you using this with OverDrive? (since BlueFire Reader, the other app that supports library downloadable ADE DRM renders even books without DRM protection unreadable by VoiceOver). Cheers, Esther On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:20, Jane wrote: I am currently using Adobe Digital Edition 1.8 to read books from Kobo on the Mac. I am also getting it to work on the iPad. It takes some fiddling, but you can read books from there with either the Mac or the iPad or other iDevice. Jane On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Max wrote: Hi. Can anyone give some advice on reading e-books on the Mac? I've tried the Kindle and Kobo apps for Mac and they are both not accessible. I know that Stanza can read some DRM-free formats - but that only takes you so far. Are there any Mac solutions that are as easy to use and accessible as iBooks on the iPhone? Please help Thanks Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing feedback. Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the items? As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. You can use the VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well. Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to Apple. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote: Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
looking to buy or trade for a 2009 mac pro
Hi all, I need a good machine for college, and while I love my macbook pro, I have lost my iMac and it's a long story. I'm looking for a 2009 mac pro, nothing older. I have very very limited money and they go for $2000 on the apple refers store. If anyone has one or knows someone who has one, please contact me so we can discuss…thanks Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Card games on the Mac
Hi folks, This topic comes up from time to time, but are there any card games that work with VoiceOver out there? I just had someone ask me this, and I find myself scratching my head. I've been so caught up in getting information on potential usable games for iOS devices I am entirely out of the loop for the Mac and games. Thanks Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however… When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is visible on the hj.com site… Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote: I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing feedback. Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the items? As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. You can use the VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well. Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to Apple. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote: Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
iPad2 32gb verizon 3g for sale
Hi all, once again Perhaps this isn't the appropriate place to put this, but I have exhausted all other options. I've got a brand new, in the box, iPad2 32gb 3g verizon iPad black. I am looking to sell it with a leather case. If you are interested please contact me…thanks Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links option there. I also used the control-option-f search as well. It does not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote: For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however… When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is visible on the hj.com site… Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote: I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing feedback. Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the items? As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. You can use the VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well. Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to Apple. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote: Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Reading ebooks on the Mac
Hi there. Yes I am talking a bout 1.8 Beta for Adobe Digital Editions. As for Overdrive, not talking about those. I'm talking specifically about Kobo Books--I thought that's what the person was referring to. Overdrive books are supposed to be supported now with adobe 1.8. I have yet to find out, but I plan to--soon. Jane On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:42 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Jane, Wow, this must be the 1.8 beta that is supposed to add accessibility support. According to the MacUpdate page, this was released July 20, 2011. Is this usable? The current stable version of Adobe Digital Editions (1.7.2) does not let VoiceOver read anything. The MacUpdate reviews of this product (stable versions) by sighted users are at the lowest ratings. Have things gotten better? On the iPad are you using this with OverDrive? (since BlueFire Reader, the other app that supports library downloadable ADE DRM renders even books without DRM protection unreadable by VoiceOver). Cheers, Esther On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:20, Jane wrote: I am currently using Adobe Digital Edition 1.8 to read books from Kobo on the Mac. I am also getting it to work on the iPad. It takes some fiddling, but you can read books from there with either the Mac or the iPad or other iDevice. Jane On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:36 PM, Max wrote: Hi. Can anyone give some advice on reading e-books on the Mac? I've tried the Kindle and Kobo apps for Mac and they are both not accessible. I know that Stanza can read some DRM-free formats - but that only takes you so far. Are there any Mac solutions that are as easy to use and accessible as iBooks on the iPhone? Please help Thanks Max -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with the left and right arrow keys. However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and announce doc items…thanks for that Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote: I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links option there. I also used the control-option-f search as well. It does not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote: For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however… When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is visible on the hj.com site… Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote: I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing feedback. Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the items? As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. You can use the VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well. Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to Apple. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote: Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, again, my apologies. ? Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion? If it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards? Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote: But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with the left and right arrow keys. However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and announce doc items…thanks for that Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote: I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links option there. I also used the control-option-f search as well. It does not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote: For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however… When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is visible on the hj.com site… Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote: I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing feedback. Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the items? As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. You can use the VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well. Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to Apple. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote: Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: voiceover, lion, and safari
I clean installed snow leopard then upgraded to lion fresh with no other system changes On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:14 PM, John Panarese wrote: If this has been asked, I apologize and if it is obvious questions, again, my apologies. ? Was it an upgrade or a clean install of lion? If it was an upgrade, did you do a permissions check afterwards? Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Cody wrote: But that is what I mean sometimes the web rooter won't even work properly for me, I might change to links and press the down arrow and many times voiceover just repeats the title of the webpage, and can only navigate with the left and right arrow keys. However, I did verify that option command left and right does move and announce doc items…thanks for that Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:56 PM, John Panarese wrote: I found the downloads link by using the web item rotor and the links option there. I also used the control-option-f search as well. It does not show up at all in item chooser, though I get 104 items I can easily navigate. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:49 PM, Cody wrote: For moving items on the doc, I've got quicknav off, and I'm using option to move items. the items move, but I get no feedback of them doing so…I have not tried option command, however… When typing in something in the item chooser which i know is on a current webpage, for example, typing downloads on hj.com only gives you the download button for safari, and nothing else, even though the downloads link is visible on the hj.com site… Cody On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:43 PM, John Panarese wrote: I am not experiencing any problems with moving items on the dock and hearing feedback. Are you using option-command and the arrow keys to move the items? As for the Item Chooser in Safari, again, I am not seeing any problems. You can use the VoiceOver search command, VO keys-f as well. Yes, accessibil...@apple.com is the address to send comments and feedback to Apple. Take Care John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com On Jul 26, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Cody wrote: Hi everyone, Is it me, or are there more problems than not with safari? For example, the item chooser is basically useless, and some times when trying to navigate with the up/down arrows voiceover just repeats the title of the page. also, moving items on the doc works, but get no feedback…has anon reported the safari issues to apple and if not what is the email address i should send them too? I believe it's accessibil...@apple.com but I'm not sure… Regards, Cody -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: Lion users! does talking communitys TC still work!
Hi all, I am still using sl and I can not tc confrence rooms to work. I tried loging in lastnigh and I could not even get any sound out of it. I just had a frame which said loading. that was all. Mathew matthew Dyer e-mail/msn: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 Yahoo: md1616 twitter: mdyer1. Facebook: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi all! I'm still on SL and was wondering if any of you use any of the TC conference chat rooms! And if so do they still work in Lion? Thanks in advance! Colin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion users! does talking communitys TC still work!
Hi Matthew! Could you tell me which TC room you tried? And have you got into the room before using the Mac! Or was this the first time going through on the Mac! Colin On 26 Jul 2011, at 23:28, matthew Dyer wrote: Hi all, I am still using sl and I can not tc conference rooms to work. I tried logging in last night and I could not even get any sound out of it. I just had a frame which said loading. that was all. Matthew matthew Dyer e-mail/msn: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 Yahoo: md1616 twitter: mdyer1. Facebook: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi all! I'm still on SL and was wondering if any of you use any of the TC conference chat rooms! And if so do they still work in Lion? Thanks in advance! Colin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion users! does talking communitys TC still work!
Yes the accessiblity ech talk training room for a pressentation. I tried it both with plugins inabled as well as disabled. Any ideas. I went in through the web applit. Matthew matthew Dyer e-mail/msn: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 Yahoo: md1616 twitter: mdyer1. Facebook: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Matthew! Could you tell me which TC room you tried? And have you got into the room before using the Mac! Or was this the first time going through on the Mac! Colin On 26 Jul 2011, at 23:28, matthew Dyer wrote: Hi all, I am still using sl and I can not tc conference rooms to work. I tried logging in last night and I could not even get any sound out of it. I just had a frame which said loading. that was all. Matthew matthew Dyer e-mail/msn: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 Yahoo: md1616 twitter: mdyer1. Facebook: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi all! I'm still on SL and was wondering if any of you use any of the TC conference chat rooms! And if so do they still work in Lion? Thanks in advance! Colin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion users! does talking communitys TC still work!
Hi Matthew! Sorry was this the first time! I was wondering if you put in a user name and password! When I've gone into those rooms I've had no trouble. Its funny they seem to be surprised as a Mac user that I could use the Mike! Although its not perfect I can a least get to communicate with people in those rooms! That's why I wondered if Lion coming would stop that! Colin On 26 Jul 2011, at 23:44, matthew Dyer wrote: Yes the accessibility tech talk training room for a presentation. I tried it both with plugins in abled as well as disabled. Any ideas. I went in through the web applit. Matthew matthew Dyer e-mail/msn: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 Yahoo: md1616 twitter: mdyer1. Facebook: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Jul 26, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Matthew! Could you tell me which TC room you tried? And have you got into the room before using the Mac! Or was this the first time going through on the Mac! Colin On 26 Jul 2011, at 23:28, matthew Dyer wrote: Hi all, I am still using sl and I can not tc conference rooms to work. I tried logging in last night and I could not even get any sound out of it. I just had a frame which said loading. that was all. Matthew matthew Dyer e-mail/msn: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com AIM: mattdy1 Yahoo: md1616 twitter: mdyer1. Facebook: ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com Skype: graduater2004 On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi all! I'm still on SL and was wondering if any of you use any of the TC conference chat rooms! And if so do they still work in Lion? Thanks in advance! Colin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
You might try doing a clean install of the operating system and see if that makes a difference. Usually, installing a new operating system as an upgrade can cause problems. On Jul 26, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Larry Wanger wrote: Hi, I'm sure that some of what I'm about to say has already been posted by others on this list. But, in the interests of documenting bugs and seeking solutions that may have been found I want to share some of my experiences with Lion. Honestly, I can't believe that Lion was released in its present state. This along with the continuing problems I have with the software running my Apple TV make me wonder what the heck is happening at Apple headquarters. Apple is known for quality software and products that just work. Lion in my view is an epic failure. I upgraded to Lion last week when it was released and have experienced increasing problems. Some of them include: 1. Voiceover has a bug where for no reason what so ever the voice changes to what sounds like a demonic tone. I may be in the middle of reading something and the voice will change for absolutely no reason and then it changes back. This happens fairly often but I have not yet figured out a cause. 2. Mail has serious bugs. I'm using the new mail view and have noticed that the application freezes and is not responsive when looking at certain types of email. These seem to be emails with graphics such as messages from Amazon.com and Facebook. I am able to read general messages just fine but the heavier graphics seem to kill the program entirely. 3. The zoom feature consistently does not work. I might be able to use it for a while but at some point it just stops functioning entirely. Turning the feature off and on again has no effect. The only solution I've been able to find is logging off and signing on again. 4. I often find it easier to reverse the contrast on screen but this feature will not function when Voiceover is running. I must turn Voiceover off, hit control option command 8 and then turn Voiceover back on again. Yes, I sometimes use both features together. 5. Late on Monday I thought I'd check to see if there were any software updates for Lion in hoes that I might find something. When selecting software update I could not even get the OS to run the application to check. I had to log off and then sign on again. In general I'm experiencing massive slowness and serious issues when using Voiceover and many applications. I'm not using obscure programs either and They are shown to work under Lion. I mean absolutely no criticism at anyone out there who was involved with beta testing this software as it relates to Voiceover but this product has no business being widely available when you take in to consideration past standards and expectations of Apple. This is extremely frustrating to say the least. If anyone has solutions that might help I'm very interested. Perhaps there are some system settings I can change or some maintenance operations that could be run to help with these issues. Perhaps a 3rd party program could be run to help with cleaning things up. Perhaps I need to figure out how to do a clean install? That would be extremely time consuming and I'm not entirely sure how to restore from time Machine but that may be necessary. Should I just put up with all of this until Apple releases a software update? Thanks for any tips or suggestions. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Yes, I think apple has discontinued the regular macbook, so now it's either the macbook air or the macbook pro. I also have the last generation of the white macbook. The macbook air is great for portability, but it lacks a couple features I would want, a dvd drive and an ethernet port. On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:03 PM, David Taylor wrote: It's nice to see somebody being generally positive on here! With regard to your questions, I can only say that my ordinary Macbook, the nice White one that you can't get any more because it apparently isn't good enough, runs just fine. There's the odd task that takes longer or makes it run hot that didn't used to, particularly opening and closing lots of apps, but I'll take the sandboxing any day as the performance loss is very minimal on my old fashioned thing! Take care Dave On 26 Jul 2011, at 18:22, Ray Foret Jr wrote: Okay. Subject line says it all. 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. 2. Mail. a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to receive directly from e-mail. c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed that one. 3. Safari. a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All processing dialogs appear to work well. 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple conversations here about it. 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are very many messages yet to be gone through. Well, that's it so far. Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! Skype name: barefootedray Facebook: facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Is this really Apple software???
I got snow leppard the day it came out. The one major bug I remember was in safari, when a page loaded, voiceover would start somewhere in the middle of a page. That was fixed in the first update. Other than that, it worked fine. I'm probably going to install lion tonight, but I have a backup of snow leppard, so going back to it would be easy. On Jul 26, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: Hey Larry. It sounds to me like you're expecting a bit too much out of this operating system. Remember, Lion only got released last Wednesday so of course there would be bugs and what not to work out. Now I admit that I haven't used a Mac until last year, but I could imagine how many bugs Snow Leopard had when it first got released. In my mind, Lion isn't any different. As for Voice Over doing freaky pitch changes, I only experience those when using the Nuance voices. I still use Samantha for the rest of my activities but when I check my email I have Alex read them out. I've already sent in that report to Apple Accessibility so I encourage you and whoever else on this list to do the same. In the meantime, be patient. I'm sure a software update is around the corner. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Spotify not accessible on Snow Leopard
Hi man. I've been using Spotify for almost 2,5 years on Windows now. And yes, it's totally unaccessible on both 10.6 and 10.7. And, don't be afraid - I think, what have happened, is that Spotify have added your itunes library so you can listen to both your local and the cloud music without having to use two applications. You have 2 ways to see if it's local or cloud music: 1. Look into the Local Files on the left side, or 2. There are an icon for local file when you're searching for music somewhere there before or after the song-title. -David On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 19:55, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, I just downloaded Spotify and installed it. the application is completely inaccessible with VO on Mac under Snow Leopard. I can use it with the limited vision I have by moving the mouse literally by hand. but that's not the worst of it. I was really freaked when i looked myself up on the service and encountered tunes that I hadn't released yet. I guess Spotify doesn't' distinguish between tunes they have on the cloud and tunes you have on your disk. I was trying to find out what tunes of mine were already on Spotify for streaming by the public. How does one distinguish the publicly available stuff from the stuff you own, yourself? If any of you are using Spotify, particularly those of you in Britain who may have some experience with it, I'd love to know the answers to these questions. thanks, Kevin -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Booting from the Lion Partition
I want to do a fresh install of Lion. I did the upgrade, but, as I mentioned on the list before, I am having a few problems. I am thinking a clean install might straighten it out. My problems seem to be unusual enough where I feel like something might have gotten corrupted during the upgrade or maybe even before. anyway, I am able to boot to the Lion partition with no problems. However, when I get to the part of the install where you have to put in your apple ID, apparently, that window is opening in the background. Since we don't have access to all the voiceover features, I can't seem to focus on that window in order to put in my ID. I was able to shut off vo, and by tapping the trackpad randomly, I was able to get it to the foreground once. However, I can't do it again. I am wondering if anyone has discovered another, more reliable way of getting it done? I am assuming that burning a CD would result in the same problem. If anyone has an idea of how to get around this,I would appreciate knowing about it, thanks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues
No, I just happen to be one of those terrible assistive technology specialist that tells it the way he sees it and sometimes some of the big boys in the assistive technology field don't necessarily like what I say, but they know that I wouldn't say something is bad unless I have the facts to back up what I say. On the other hand, those that I work with would tell you that I don't play favorites with one product or another. And, I don't try to push a product down people's throats that they don't want. Nor will I push a product on someone unless I believe that it will truely meet their needs. - Original Message - From: carolyn Haas chaas0...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:26 PM Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues Hi David: Can you be bribed? On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:24 PM, David Tanner wrote: I am certainly glad that I don't see nearly as many bugs in VoiceOver as you will find in the shark. - Original Message - From: Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 8:12 AM Subject: Re: Voice over lag and other lion issues Hi, In regards to the iWork stuff, Its kinda unfair to pin that on the Lion OS in my opinion. after all, There has not been a major update to iWorks since 2009. Lets see what the next big release will mean for accessibility. And in regards to the lack of new features, hmm, I don't know. For example, How many new features exist in jaws 12 that weren't there in jaws 10? I'm not sure how many new features one can really cram into a screen reader in 2 years. And as far as the bugs go, its not like Apple is going to delay Their new OS because of some Voiceover bugs. Lets give it an update or 2 to see what happens? Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:31 AM, Luca wrote: I agree, i was expecting a lot more from vo in lion... look, two years have passed since last release, and what have you new? ok activities, single navigation letter (which could have been made better...), international voices (very buggy, cant deny it...), and new drag and drop... Well in two years only these things is a little on my opinion.. Braille support is terrible, whe told them, wrote a lot of mail... and nothing has changed. Still You cannot do decent word processing with vo, no tables, no footnnotes detection, no title/list detection... Ok some of these things you can do wiith pages but in an extremely convoluted and non efficient way.. And what about numbers? you can use it in a very basic way only... And i am not speaking of bugs, those i hope will be fixed.. but there are quite significant ones -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Then go back to the classic view and VO-j will work perfectly for you. I sat my email to sort by date of receipt and VO-j works wonderfully. - Original Message - From: carlene knight carlenefor...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 12:20 AM Subject: Re: yet another VO feature broken? I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. Best, Donna On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: Hi all, Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone confirm? Thanks, Donna -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ABBYY FineReader
Is Vuescan available on the app store? If not, where can it be purchased and is there a trial version? - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 3:34 AM Subject: Re: ABBYY FineReader Hello David, I wish I could find out which scanners work directly with ABBYY FineReader. This question has been asked endless times and no satisfactory answers have been forthcoming. For me, scanning with VueScan and OCR with ABBYY FineReader works seamlessly. Cheers, Anne On 26 Jul 2011, at 03:31, David Tanner wrote: Can you or someone on this list tell me which scanners will work with Fine Reader please. I understand that the Canon Canoscan Lide scanners may not work with Fine Reader. - Original Message - From: Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 9:12 AM Subject: ABBYY FineReader Hello everyone, For those of you who've recently bought ABBYY FineReader from the Mac Appstore, there's an update available to make it work with Lion. For those of you, like me, who bought ABBYY FineReader before the Appstore came on line, we have to wait until sometime in August for the update. I spoke to someone at ABBYY Europe in Germany this afternoon and he promised to let me know as soon as the update is available. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
rs games and lion
Hi, Has anyone had any problems with the RS games client under lion, particularly yahtzee and monopoly? If so, did you fix it, and how? Thanks, Courtney -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
what files to back up?
Okay, I'm backing up some files just in case since you never know what might happen, like this morning my power went out. Anyway, what file do I back up for my virtual machine? The folder that actually says virtual machine, or the application that has fusion in it where I launch windows from? Thanks. Are you married and a Christian? Do you want to improve or save your marriage? Then come join our family of Married Christian couples at http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians It's for Husband's and Wives, packed with articles, resources, and discussions to help you with your lifelong unity with 1 another. I guarantee you will not regret it, and your marriage will thank you! directly subscribe here: committed-married-christians+subscr...@googlegroups.com Hope to see you there! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
