Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 4, The Normative Science of Logic

2014-03-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The last two lines of Keats Ode to a Grecian Urn claim for the aesthetic the mantle of beauty and truth as inseparable, that is one is the other.I think this gives the aesthetic a special place. But there is a good deal of confusion about how to place it. The Bard assists us with his remark about

Re: [PEIRCE-L] ECO ON PEIRCE pt. 5

2014-03-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The general import of the priestly and historical texts of Israel is to blame the human condition on reality and claim that reality has chosen one nation as a megaphone. Both assertions were to a degree false. Jesus exposed the falsehood and parsed the underlying truth that was/is in line both

Re: [PEIRCE-L] de Waal Seminar: Chapter 7, framework vs foundational?

2014-04-23 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Then how about accompaniment. Or accompany, the verb. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Wed, Apr 23, 2014 at 1:52 PM, Deely, John N. jnde...@stthom.edu wrote: Perhaps framework rather than foundational, as foundational lies behind, as it were, whereas semosis accompanies

[PEIRCE-L] Of Possible interest

2014-04-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Finding Vivian Meier Now Playing in Select US Theaters - Camera West Blog http://buff.ly/1lm2Me0 http://t.co/BoraU31oWh /saw this today. Excellent. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Chapter 7.2.2 Proof of Pragmatism Semiotic (modest view + overarching view incl methodeutic)

2014-05-02 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I wonder, if we are talking proof, whether we should not apply it to pragmaticism rather than pragmatism. CSP would not have coined the term had he not wished to underline a distinction. And I suspect it deserves to be used posthumously as the name he gave to his evolved philosophy.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-05-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I think within the NA text there is ample basis for inferring that at the time of its writing CSP had long practiced what he advocated - a damningly unstructured mode of thinking that he advocated almost universally and certainly for persons untrained in the philosophy that is the basis for most

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-05-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
nothing to the growth of concrete reasonableness, which he virtually equates with the evolution of God. gary f. *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 21-May-14 11:04 AM *To:* Gary Fuhrman *Cc:* Peirce List *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-05-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Mysticism in the case of Peirce and many others does not refer to an ongoing designation but to a particular experience or experiences that convince one that she/he is part of a unity. It is a life-changing experiene but it has little to do with ones religious or theological formulations save that

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 2

2014-05-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Excellent, germane. Thanks. S *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 5:55 PM, Søren Brier sb@cbs.dk wrote: Dear Gary and list *Since there seems to be a quiet time here in these American holidays allow me to sum up a little on the view on the

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 2

2014-05-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Well said Gary. I am currently going through the KJV which is a sort of priestly effort to turn anthropomorphic influence into a brief for arbitrary and often cruel transcendentalism. When all is said and done we live in the immanent frame and are responsible both to ourselves and to the creation

Re: [PEIRCE-L] I'm not sure how much this has to do with Peircean triadicity, but...

2014-05-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
It has everything to do with Peirce. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: Physicists Prove Surprising Rule of Threes, _Wired_, May 29, 2014, by Natalie Wolchover (_Quanta Magazine_).

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on Mind, self, and person

2014-05-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Roberto Assagioli and psychosynthesis - the mode of therapy he created - recognize the existence of multiple personalities. He called them sub-personalities and propounded that integration lay in recognizing the needs and goals of competing sub-personalities and actually negotiating. He is one of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-05-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
/stephencrose* On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Phyllis Chiasson ath...@olympus.net wrote: Stephen, I don't understand your post. Phyllis Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Peircean Yikes. The problem is that anything we do about Peirce of anyone really is characterization which I hold

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-05-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
are coming from on this. Regards, Phyllis Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Phyllis...I feel that if I say Peirce is (any characteristic) or say that of anyone I am in violation of the command judge not that you be not judged. I see even Peircean as a sort of litmus test

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Steven - Hope your hospital stay has good results. It's funny to think of my resonance with Peirce in light of the fact of my seminary training and lifelong work as both a representative and critic of the church. I see little or no distinction between Peirce's thinking as a whole and his thinking

Re: [PEIRCE-L] I'm not sure how much this has to do with Peircean triadicity, but...

2014-06-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, PhD Professor of English Shippensburg University of Pennsylvania On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 6:58 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: It has everything to do with Peirce. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Benjamin Udell bud

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-02 Thread Stephen C. Rose
within the grammar of natural language. Cheers Jerry On May 31, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: The specific designation I was replying to was a one line post which which said an article about triadic physics was not Peircean so I shall let that be my example. I have sensed from

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-02 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, are valid. Now, is Thirdness necessary for existence? Yes, I think so, but is Secondness necessary for reality? Again - I think so. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com *To:* Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com *Cc:* Peirce List Peirce-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] THIRD? REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN

2014-06-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Lynching was a habit that was broken by social intervention and we would only go back to it in he event of an unprecedented regression. We do inch along ethicaly extendingi the reach of tolerance, helpfulness, democracy and non-idolatry. Progress is breaking bad habits. *@stephencrose

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: NYTimes : From China, With Pragmatism

2014-06-09 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Well done, Edwina. S *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 8:46 AM, Edwina Taborsky tabor...@primus.ca wrote: I think that it was a naive and ignorant article and as such, because it was written out of ignorance, not worthy of 'total despair'! I think

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: NYTimes : From China, With Pragmatism

2014-06-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Congratulations on having an agile thumb! (If you did all that on an iPhone) I enjoyed your comment. When Nixon was getting ready to reestablish relations with China I was invited to meet a delegation at the Chinese embassy in Ottawa. Most of the US folk folk I went with were children of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] REPLY TO HELMUT RAULIEN on Peirce's Questions, i.e. icon and Destiny?

2014-06-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Words are a large step from the signs that give rise to speech. That is one reason I feel we are surrounded by mysteries even within our own reach and sight and certainly beyond the reach of both. That we speak of ourselves as distinct elements of reality is useful but all life can be said to show

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Thanks to Gary R for noting Triadic Philosophy. Insofar as it is a theory it is nascent. As a method of conscious thinking in line with Peirce's NA it is more developed. I have written some short books on the subject and all are available on Kindle. For this thread I will simply post excerpts

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-13 Thread Stephen C. Rose
. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:10 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Gary R for noting Triadic Philosophy. Insofar as it is a theory it is nascent. As a method of conscious thinking in line with Peirce's NA it is more developed. I have

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-13 Thread Stephen C. Rose
theoretically, though I am working on it. I have tended to validate its premises on the basis of experience somewhat in the matter I infer from reading the NA many times. On Friday, June 13, 2014 8:56 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Can I assume that everyone agrees? Doubtful

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-06-13 Thread Stephen C. Rose
These are important questions: What's the triadic connection to the PM? I see the pragmatic maxim as a foundational insistence that all thought move toward some experimental process by which it can be validated. Thus in matters of religion, which can be described as supposition, the PM might

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-13 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, secondness and thirdness, first second third and 1 2 3. I do have some questions about Peirce's brief description of universes of experience in NA. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: I am confused

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
: On Jun 13, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: The first premise I start with is that we do think in threes, First, I observe the fact that this phrase is expressed in English grammar, a form of communication rooted in expressing meaning as sounds. As stated, it asserts that thinking

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen C. Rose
agreed with the Buddhist logicians. Matt On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: All people is my definition of we in the following statement: We are inevitably social. We are capable of achieving a sense of universality. This universal sense distinguishes

Re: [PEIRCE-L] RESPONSE TO GARY RICHMOND FROM GCM

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Firstness is not so much determined as processed, first by giving it a term (word, etc.) and then submitting it to the second. The amalgam of these yields up the third which as Gary R. has suggested is the area of life as it is lived. Thus whatever the first is or was survives only as a result of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-15 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, the translations and explanations by Th. Stcherbatsky, circa 1932, are too post-Kantian.) I'm not sure what Peirce thought of the time before us but I suspect he agreed with the Buddhist logicians. Matt On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: All people is my

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
jingles and the like and the viral phenomena connected with the Internet. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: I am posting the initial aphorisms of Triadic Philosophy in this thread. The fifth follows: You

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-17 Thread Stephen C. Rose
. Matt On Jun 15, 2014, at 11:41 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
and explanations by Th. Stcherbatsky, circa 1932, are too post-Kantian.) I'm not sure what Peirce thought of the time before us but I suspect he agreed with the Buddhist logicians. Matt On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:51 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: All people is my definition of we

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
In a few words, Peirce offers a context for his theology (from Pragmatism In Retrospect - A Last Formulation. I, for one, heartily admit that a Humanism that does not pretend to be a science, but only an instinct, like a bird's power of flight, but purified by meditation, is the most precious

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Links to Peirce Centennial Seminar threads on Peirce: A Guide to the Perplexed by de Waal

2014-06-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
There is nothing easier than porting Word documents to Kindle and making them increasingly available on every platform including, reportedly, a new phone. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Catherine Legg cl...@waikato.ac.nz wrote: Superb job,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-19 Thread Stephen C. Rose
triad is Reality, Ethics, Aesthetics. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 6:17 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Where does the word realism come in? In Law of Mind Peirce describes his synechistic philosophy as follows: first a logical realism

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
to which history aspires. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Avoiding the expletive, I have been characterized as incoherent, a mess, nonsense, unethical and a scoundrel. I have been writing on the Web

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, at 10:51 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: All people is my definition of we in the following statement: We are inevitably social. We are capable of achieving a sense of universality. This universal sense distinguishes Triadic Philosophy. Triadic philosophy regards most accepted

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
9. What then is thinking in threes? On one level it is a means of preventing conflict from coming to a head. If two objects are busily colliding, it helps to have a third option. It can even be suggested that our minds are triadic, they can spin out conclusions indefinitely. And three is the

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
leaders have the infinite to choose from, they cannot help but be infected by the Being (Dasein) of those that they keep company with... and they go on to infect those (culture) that they rule over. *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever...@gmail.com stever...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday

Re: [PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-22 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The Creator of love must also be Creator of hate. I think this is better understood by seeing the spectrum as the underlying basis of both divine and human freedom and seeing the transcending of hate as the goal of history. In other words hatred is ultimately related to the need for forgiveness

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-23 Thread Stephen C. Rose
of Triadic Philosophy. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent and all the best to you. I have a much loved classmate from those parts. It is wonderful to be in a world made smaller by cyber-means. Cheers

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: PEIRCE-L] De Waal seminar chapter 9, section on God, science and religion: text 1

2014-06-23 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Gary F. I will continue to puzzle about this, not in hope or pretense of changing the terms that have currency in philosophical discussion, but because, given the slipperiness or words and their (assumed) clear subsequence to signs (images? appearances?) I would contend there is a good argument

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction Meaning of Aesthetics as a Term?

2014-06-23 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: Steven, List: On Jun 20, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: If Triadic Philosophy has any claim to originality it might be in the third term in its root triad which is Aesthetics. A critical comment, if I may... At a deep level, the origins

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-23 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The notion of G-d's existence will always be supposition and I fully agree that authority and tenacity underlie explicit claims regarding divine existence. It is supposition because it cannot be proved on the basis of experience. Those who do claim experience without manifesting the

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-24 Thread Stephen C. Rose
move to the aesthetic. We complete our thought by imagining an act or expression that follows it. All of this becomes second nature as it it is practiced. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: 11

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-25 Thread Stephen C. Rose
to new vistas and new awareness. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: 13. Triadic Philosophy is a ground-breaking way of thinking that is universal. Anyone can and should do it. It can be explained simply

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: De Waal Seminar Chapter 9 : Section on God ; Science and Religion

2014-06-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I very much agree about words not being signs but not that Peirce corresponds to either Plato or Aristotle. I don't think anyone corresponds to anyone actually though parallels abound. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Edwina Taborsky

Re: Aw: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Logic is Social

2014-06-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Also it will be more and more the case that minds will arrive at similar or complementary conclusions, rendering claims of individuals to originality less and less credible. I wonder at what point this will alter the way in which we process common awareness. The wiki phenomenon is an obvious

[PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics

2014-06-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
How fixed is the scientific argument for this law? Certainly in this century there have been some who have chipped away at the idea of entropy as a fixed star in an otherwise fallible (subject to revision) scientific universe. And I am unaware of where Peirce stood on this matter. Were his notions

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Jerry LR Chandler jerry_lr_chand...@me.com wrote: On Jun 27, 2014, at 7:50 AM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: 17. Within the scope of chronology, of continuity, tolerance, democracy and helpfulness have risen to the top. Non

[PEIRCE-L] Re: The second law of thermodynamics

2014-06-27 Thread Stephen C. Rose
://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: How fixed is the scientific argument for this law? Certainly in this century there have been some who have chipped away at the idea of entropy as a fixed star in an otherwise fallible (subject

Re: [PEIRCE-L] The second law of thermodynamics

2014-06-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Stephen C. Rose said the following: How fixed is the scientific argument for this law? Certainly in this century there have been some who have chipped away at the idea of entropy as a fixed star in an otherwise fallible (subject to revision) scientific universe. And I am unaware of where

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Introduction

2014-06-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:17 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: THanks. Will do - or won't. Whichever is correct usage. Cheers, S *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Gary Richmond

[PEIRCE-L] Apologies

2014-06-29 Thread Stephen C. Rose
My apologies for having inadvertently sent an off list note to the list. Best, S *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

[PEIRCE-L] Fwd: I'm in the national news!

2014-06-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
*Oh sometimes it's good to share things.* -- Forwarded message -- From: Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:40 AM Subject: Re: I'm in the national news! To: Amy Rose amyevelynr...@gmail.com Cc: Lois F. Rose e...@bcn.net, Stephen F. Rose stevefredr

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-06-30 Thread Stephen C. Rose
have as my subject here. Jon Stephen C. Rose wrote: I've puzzled over this because CSP seems almost dogmatic on the point of doubt being the aegis not merely of inquiry but thought itself. First, can there not be other prods to thought that are at least as effective? Secondly, how much does

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-07-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
by the anomalous, one could add impatience and suspense about the indefinite future (what will be the Milky Way's fate?) and frustration, hesitation, inagency, in the face of what feasibly could be around the corner. Best, Ben On 6/30/2014 11:51 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: It's late and I'm punched out

[PEIRCE-L] Re: Dispersion, Uncertainty, Doubt, Entropy (DUDE❢)

2014-07-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
function is the exception rather than the rule. Jon Stephen C. Rose wrote: I've puzzled over this because CSP seems almost dogmatic on the point of doubt being the aegis not merely of inquiry but thought itself. First, can there not be other prods to thought that are at least as effective

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Doubt, Uncertainty, Dispersion, Entropy

2014-07-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I am sure it may be wrong to post this. My reason is that the closing quote below is so common and often lacks the context of the surrounding words. So I will risk repetition anyway. The more I read, the more I think that C. P. really did mean to confine things as suggested in the final sentence

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy - Continuing

2014-07-10 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The following from Triadic Philosophy - 100 Aphorisms - with thanks to Gary R. I repeat that this clearly diverges from Peirce. That should be obvious from the texts themselves. This as a project undertaken on Twitter - a free and available feedback mechanism for the creating and testing

Re: [PEIRCE-L] New links at Arisbe, including AJM Peirce articles free at JSTOR

2014-07-24 Thread Stephen C. Rose
The Greatest Living American Philosopher Commentary Magazine http://buff.ly/1kYUPZz Interesting article and reason enough for a Triadic Philosophy that seeks precisely to demonstrate that generals are capable of surviving scientific analysis and proving their practical efficacy. I would assume

Re: [PEIRCE-L] New links at Arisbe, including AJM Peirce articles free at JSTOR

2014-07-24 Thread Stephen C. Rose
acquaintances who might have felt it precious, for their own parts, to refer to him as Peirce or Charles! Best, Ben On 7/24/2014 3:44 PM, Stephen C. Rose wrote: The Greatest Living American Philosopher Commentary Magazine http://buff.ly/1kYUPZz Interesting article and reason enough

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-07-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Am I believing my eyes? Your written word just conveyed energy to my fingers to say NO. This distinction like many is a binary fantasy. A needless distinction. Words written and spoken are the transitional stage between signs and our indexing of them as signs move toward expression and action.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Invigorating Philosophy with Natural Propositions

2014-07-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
In that category of areas where Peirce is not regarded as important, I would list theology. Though seemingly simple it is convincingly logical, as he suggests, that ultimately evil is contained within good. This and related CP theological statements thrust us into mysteries we cannot resolve, but

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-07-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
understanding that the 'Form', or habits-of-formation, were generals/universals and were embedded within the particular instantiation. That is, he was not Platonic - where the Forms are actually existentially real on their own. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Stephen C. Rose stever

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-07-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
It is the penumbra of everything within the mind that you experience prior to putting a word to it that attests to the independent existence of uninterpreted phenomena. I think it is for this reason that the writing of words is always a sort of slaying of what was there. This is a temporal event.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
of *Turning Signs* ( http://www.gnusystems.ca/bdy.htm#person). But then this is an introspective view of mental activity, which according to Peirce is unreliable unless we can investigate it logically through *public* observations. gary f. *From:* Stephen C. Rose [mailto:stever

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
per se, and would also apply to the dumb animals. John At 12:38 AM 2014-08-01, Stephen C. Rose wrote: It is the penumbra of everything within the mind that you experience prior to putting a word to it that attests to the independent existence of uninterpreted phenomena. I think

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, Stephen C. Rose wrote: The notion of how signs get to their editing is clearly ultimately a matter of theory. But the theory can stipulate that there is the penumbra which I infer from direct experience. I don't think you entitled to do this. Do you really think I would be so stupid as to ignore

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
these three stages that you outline. ...vagueness to indexical to an expression..Certainly some semiosic expreiences are just like that but that's not always the case for a sign. Edwina - Original Message - *From:* Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com *To:* John Collier colli...@ukzn.ac.za

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-04 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, 2014 10:00 PM *To:* Stephen C. Rose; John Collier *Cc:* Peirce List *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for Stephen- I think John and you are talking about different things and since you don't seem to use the Peircean analytic frame - the result

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-06 Thread Stephen C. Rose
with. John *From:* Edwina Taborsky [mailto:tabor...@primus.ca] *Sent:* August 3, 2014 10:00 PM *To:* Stephen C. Rose; John Collier *Cc:* Peirce List *Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for Stephen- I think John and you are talking about different

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce Carus's 1913 translaton of the Tao

2014-08-06 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Who uses well their light holds to the bright and from the body wards off blight and hides what does not change from human sight. From my The New Tao *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote: Phyllis, list,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Peirce Trumps Whitehead?

2014-08-08 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I am certain that many could go through their own pre-Peirce writings and find statements that represent what Peirce was up to. His distinction was to be the first modern with the most and to suggest that what he is describing is what is there. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose*

Re: Fwd: Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6231] Re: biosemiotics is the basis for

2014-08-12 Thread Stephen C. Rose
To the extent that I understand Firsts as originating in feelings (derived I infer from some effort to sense what is coming up in one's consciousness, having willed to seek to plumb it, it seems to me that a First begins with that feeling and that it is then named with one or more terms. For

[PEIRCE-L] Sometimes a song ....

2014-08-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT8zLTaKxeE (Grateful Dead, Ripple by Robert Hunter) *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* - PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on Reply List or Reply All to REPLY ON PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6515] Re: Abduction,

2014-08-25 Thread Stephen C. Rose
How does the pragmatic maxim apply to this discussion? And to be fair how does it (the maxim) apply to the texts of CSP that have to do with categories. It seems to me what he calls categories are in many cases best understood as we comprehend utilities - useful programs for dealing with specific

[PEIRCE-L] Parsimonious Peirce

2014-08-31 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Reading on my Kindle the remarkably-edited text CP (a compendium of segments of Peirce statements), I am struck by the degree to which Peirce is more than parsimonious in his assumptions about the scope of awareness, knowledge, philosophy - he seems to see these things in their infancy, their full

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Q. Why is there so much falsity in the world?

2014-09-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Creativity is inherent. To the extent that teaching in the sense of formal education enters the picture, it seems neutral at best and in many contexts destructive of creativity. I am not sure what Peirce thinks about what is inherent within a person and what is acquired, but the statement you

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-03 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Sound like when I resigned from my fraternity after it refused to consider a West Indian for membership, stimulating other resignations and a complex process which resulted in the end of the fraternity system at Williams College. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Wed, Sep 3,

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe

2014-09-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Is there yet an online version of the book? I checked a while back and found none but it makes sense to have texts available on Kindle as they can be read on any device and online will be the permanence of texts in the future. There are other positive arguments as well. *@stephencrose

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Mind and Universe

2014-09-05 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Peirce is Peirce and cannot be pegged to any philosopher though he seems to think in logic he and Leibnitz share commonality. As to outside and inside, whatever that is, Peirce even before he was a believer was willing to accept the possibility if a deity whose reality could (one day) be proved.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Knowing how to be - through the eyes of a child

2014-09-11 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Interesting. A personal footnote. While one's brain may be wired early we have the freedom at any and all points to alter our behavior and mould our thought, Though I have the privilege of working at Austin Riggs in the late 1950s when Erikson was there, i have come to see his stages of life as

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: Consequences Of Triadic Relation Irreducibility

2014-09-13 Thread Stephen C. Rose
While this makes sense on one level, there is most certainly a basis for saying that Peirce says this and having that reference have a meaning that transcends all the barriers you cite. I am sure that a mathematician and I can agree that Peirce insists on matters such as the triadic form of

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6790] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I think an analogy from cyber development is pertinent when discussing what is within and without human scope. We denote things that assist us as utilities. We could say that logic and math are utilities. But utilities depend in some cases on things that already exist and could be said to be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6785] Re: Physics Semiosis: the

2014-09-14 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Jon. May as well confess that I got my sense of triadic thinking from Brent's exposition which is hardly as complex as the whole thing with all of its emendations. It was from this encounter that I devised my own root triad Reality, Ethics, Aesthetics. I understood Brent to say that the First is a

Re: [PEIRCE-L] [biosemiotics:6834] Re: Natural Propositions, Chapter 2

2014-09-16 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Maybe there is a mental Higgs Boson that no one can quite describe. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 2:27 AM, Clark Goble cl...@lextek.com wrote: On Sep 15, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Benjamin Udell bud...@nyc.rr.com wrote: (He came to regard philosophy as

[PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
From: Charles S. Peirce on Esthetics and Ethics A Bibliography Kelly A. Parker Value theory is the least developed area of Peirce’s philosophy. At the core of Peircean value theory are the studies of esthetics, ethics and logic that he grouped together under the heading of normative sciences.

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
, respectively, was a classical notion? Jon http://inquiryintoinquiry.com On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:02 PM, Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com wrote: From: Charles S. Peirce on Esthetics and Ethics A Bibliography Kelly A. Parker Value theory is the least developed area of Peirce’s

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-18 Thread Stephen C. Rose
. (1, 2, 3) are just symbols for distinguishment of characters, but not for temporality or essentiality. So far my opinion. Very best, Helmut *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. September 2014 um 21:37 Uhr *Von:* Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com *An:* Jon Awbrey jawb...@att.net *Cc:* Peirce List

Re: Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy

2014-09-20 Thread Stephen C. Rose
. So far, Best, Helmut *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 18. September 2014 um 22:28 Uhr *Von:* Stephen C. Rose stever...@gmail.com *An:* Helmut Raulien h.raul...@gmx.de *Cc:* Peirce List peirce-l@list.iupui.edu *Betreff:* Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Triadic Philosophy Hi Helmut - I am afraid

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6920] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-21 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Any ists with arms and legs and a mind exist regardless of what they think. In this usage ist is a characterization and characterizations are subjective and more than fallible. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Sun, Sep 21, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Eugene Halton

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6952] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-25 Thread Stephen C. Rose
I see thought as a conscious process that takes a sign and names it and submits it to an index and eventuates in an expression or action. I suppose it amounts to a chain of propositions but it is conscious and it impacts daily living. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Thu, Sep

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6952] Re: Natural Propositions

2014-09-25 Thread Stephen C. Rose
large swathes of human thought are not conscious. So, like Peirce, I hesitate to make consciousness part of the definition of thought, also because we have as yet no means to ascertain which animal thoughts are accompanied by consciousness. F Den 25/09/2014 kl. 15.51 skrev Stephen C. Rose stever

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Stefan Would it not be an act aiming toward truth and beauty to stop using the word pragmatism entirely when seeking to articulate CP's thought and instead say pragmaticism even if in doing so one has to explain why? *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:52

Re: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-26 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Beauty and truth are teleological terms and valuable as objectives that continuity heads toward and fallibility clouds. *@stephencrose https://twitter.com/stephencrose* On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Gary Richmond gary.richm...@gmail.com wrote: Stefan, all, I think that there's much to be

Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re: [biosemiotics:6912] Re: Natural Propositions,

2014-09-28 Thread Stephen C. Rose
in the context that truth an beauty are recognized as values (something to be pursued, and end) that they can be fully understood, hypothetically, as it were. John *From:* Jerry LR Chandler [mailto:jerry_lr_chand...@me.com] *Sent:* September 28, 2014 6:05 AM *To:* Stephen C. Rose *Cc:* Peirce-L

Re: [PEIRCE-L] A War of Necessity

2014-10-01 Thread Stephen C. Rose
Exclusion is on my list of evils. Tolerance is on my list of goods - values that tend to truth and beauty. Peirce connection? I believe it is inevitable that a fully developed pragmaticism would reckon with values and ultimately reject an ethics based on virtues (Aristotle). Connection to Robert?

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