Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-21 Thread Al
There appears to be a bug in the FF3x cell line generating code. border-collapse is a mess, it doubles up some cell lines and drops others when drawing and redrawing tables. I had to make a nice lines between cells by assigning tds with bottom and right sides only. Al... Jessi Berkelham

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-21 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Thu, 2009-05-21 at 13:05 -0700, Jessi Berkelhammer wrote: > Hi, > This post is another one that might be better asked on a CSS-list, but > it is relevant to this thread. > > The calendar at http://php1.net/my-php-calendar/ seems to have a similar > issue to a problem I am havingcell borde

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-21 Thread Jessi Berkelhammer
Hi, This post is another one that might be better asked on a CSS-list, but it is relevant to this thread. The calendar at http://php1.net/my-php-calendar/ seems to have a similar issue to a problem I am havingcell borders (sometimes) disappear in Firefox when you zoom out. In both this ca

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread tedd
At 1:56 PM +0100 5/19/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and touched on throughout this thread. -mondo snip- lol - i needed to get that out my system Nathan: You mak

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread tedd
At 4:24 PM -0700 5/18/09, Michael A. Peters wrote: tedd wrote: In most technical things you are right, but here I have to agree with Paul. The user is king -- you must to design for them regardless of their browser of choice -- even if their choice is a bad one. No. You must design for a sta

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread tedd
At 4:03 PM -0700 5/18/09, Michael A. Peters wrote: tedd wrote: However, I cite things like a calendar, and your MUD site, and other such solutions that would be very difficult to accomplish using pure css. I don't know about the MUD site - but again, a calendar is tabular data and therefo

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread tedd
At 4:56 PM -0400 5/18/09, Marc Christopher Hall wrote: and so I don't feel like a complete ass http://jeffhowden.com/code/css/forms/ Marc: Well... don't feel like a complete ass with that post -- that's a great looking and working form. Very nicely done. I'm book-marking that for future t

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread PJ
Nathan Rixham wrote: > PJ wrote: >> Nathan Rixham wrote: >>> >>> lol >>> >> Glad >> > > as they say > > did you ever get any help explaining css? > > just in case here's the ultra basics > > you have selectors and declarations > > selectors can be: > .classname (a class, to be applied to many obje

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread HallMarc Websites
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Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Nathan Rixham
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Java anyone? eh? how do you get java from that? . user requests content sub-client required and application location are sent to users client. sub-client is launched within users client sub-client loads required application application connects

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Nathan Rixham wrote: Java anyone? >>> eh? how do you get java from that? >> >> . >> >> user requests content >> sub-client required and application location are sent to users client. >> sub-client is launched within users client >> sub-client loads required application >> application

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Nathan Rixham
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: Shawn McKenzie wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and touched on throughout this thread. At the core of this we have a sin

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Nathan Rixham wrote: > Shawn McKenzie wrote: >> Nathan Rixham wrote: >>> I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or >>> even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and >>> touched on throughout this thread. >>> >>> At the core of this we have a single

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Nathan Rixham
Shawn McKenzie wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and touched on throughout this thread. At the core of this we have a single problem, we create websites and web based

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Shawn McKenzie
Nathan Rixham wrote: > I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or > even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and > touched on throughout this thread. > > At the core of this we have a single problem, we create websites and web > based applications

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Nathan Rixham
PJ wrote: Nathan Rixham wrote: lol Glad as they say did you ever get any help explaining css? just in case here's the ultra basics you have selectors and declarations selectors can be: .classname (a class, to be applied to many objects) #someid (a single object) p (redefine an html el

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread PJ
Nathan Rixham wrote: > I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or > even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and > touched on throughout this thread. > > At the core of this we have a single problem, we create websites and > web based applications,

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread PJ
Paul M Foster wrote: > On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:55:47PM -0400, PJ wrote: > > >> Marc Christopher Hall wrote: >> >>> and so I don't feel like a complete ass >>> >>> http://jeffhowden.com/code/css/forms/ >>> >>> >>> __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signat

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-19 Thread Nathan Rixham
I just wanted to run this past you guys for thoughts and opinions or even just to get brains ticking, it's all web development related and touched on throughout this thread. At the core of this we have a single problem, we create websites and web based applications, which we want to be deliver

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Michael A. Peters
Paul M Foster wrote: On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 04:43:20PM -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: That's the same problem XML has. The original idea was that you could, for example, have an invoice, and because it was marked up with the appropriate tags, everyone would be able to u

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 04:43:20PM -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: > >> >> That's the same problem XML has. The original idea was that you could, >> for example, have an invoice, and because it was marked up with the >> appropriate tags, everyone would be able to understand

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 18/5/09 21:35, PJ wrote: I anyone knows where there is a real source of information about CSS, how to use it with logical explanations of what is used how, I sure would like to hear aboutit. Did you try the sources I already linked you to? Surely I must be wrong but there must be a logical

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Michael A. Peters
Paul M Foster wrote: That's the same problem XML has. The original idea was that you could, for example, have an invoice, and because it was marked up with the appropriate tags, everyone would be able to understand what it meant. xml provides a standard way of pointing the reader to a referen

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Michael A. Peters
tedd wrote: It seems to me that things like header, navigation, content, and footer would be pretty standardized. However, in some sites the header called the banner, footer is called copyright, navigation is called side-bar, and content is called wrapper or something even less semantic. W

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Michael A. Peters
tedd wrote: At 4:05 AM +0100 5/18/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: And by the way, this attitude of "My code is fine; your browser sucks; upgrade" can be the worst kind of arrogance, and people react to it exactly as though it were arrogance. There used to be the same kind of attit

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Michael A. Peters
Nathan Rixham wrote: When I go and buy a film I don't buy a vhs or a betamax.. because I can't - that industry simply stopped making them and if I want to own a new film I buy the dvd - I don't write to paramount and complain because I only have a betamax. Funny - I'm about to finally buy

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Michael A. Peters
tedd wrote: However, I cite things like a calendar, and your MUD site, and other such solutions that would be very difficult to accomplish using pure css. I don't know about the MUD site - but again, a calendar is tabular data and therefore belongs in a table. The design sin is using tabl

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 05:55:47PM -0400, PJ wrote: > Marc Christopher Hall wrote: > > and so I don't feel like a complete ass > > > > http://jeffhowden.com/code/css/forms/ > > > > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > > database 4084 (20090518) _

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread PJ
Marc Christopher Hall wrote: > and so I don't feel like a complete ass > > http://jeffhowden.com/code/css/forms/ > > > __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature > database 4084 (20090518) __ > > The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. > > http://

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Paul M Foster
On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 04:13:47PM -0400, tedd wrote: > At 8:15 PM +0100 5/18/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: >> On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 14:48 -0400, tedd wrote: >> >> > I think the next big thing will be an argument over meaning. :-) >>> >> I don't mean using id attributes that appear to have meaning,

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Marc Christopher Hall
and so I don't feel like a complete ass http://jeffhowden.com/code/css/forms/ __ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4084 (20090518) __ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com -- PHP General Mailing List (

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Marc Christopher Hall
I would like to add that last time I checked, this is the PHP Mailing List and not CSS or anything else. Can we please get back to regular PHP banter? -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php __ Information from ESET

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 16:35 -0400, PJ wrote: > Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 14:48 -0400, tedd wrote: > > > >> At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >> > >>> Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, > >>> > >> Semantics? > >> > >> What do

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread PJ
Ashley Sheridan wrote: > On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 14:48 -0400, tedd wrote: > >> At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: >> >>> Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, >>> >> Semantics? >> >> What do you mean by that? >> >> And therein lies the problem -- what mean

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Mon, 2009-05-18 at 16:13 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 8:15 PM +0100 5/18/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 14:48 -0400, tedd wrote: > > > > > I think the next big thing will be an argument over meaning. :-) > >> > >I don't mean using id attributes that appear to have meaning, but

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread tedd
At 8:15 PM +0100 5/18/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 14:48 -0400, tedd wrote: > I think the next big thing will be an argument over meaning. :-) I don't mean using id attributes that appear to have meaning, but using the proper tags to mark up content. That's things like

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 14:48 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > >Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, > > Semantics? > > What do you mean by that? > > And therein lies the problem -- what means something to me, may not to you. > > For example

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 5:14 PM +0100 5/18/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: -- computing ... .. . hows the childhood memories? I had a childhood? Cheers, tedd not sure? check the photo album - that's what I do - then look on like a 3rd person -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread tedd
At 5:14 PM +0100 5/18/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: -- computing ... .. . hows the childhood memories? I had a childhood? Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit:

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 8:52 PM +0100 5/17/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: semantics already are the next big thing and have been for a year or three. google aquired the leading semantic analysis software many years ago and have been using it ever since, likewise with yahoo and all the majors. further we've a

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread tedd
At 8:52 PM +0100 5/17/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: semantics already are the next big thing and have been for a year or three. google aquired the leading semantic analysis software many years ago and have been using it ever since, likewise with yahoo and all the majors. further we've all had open a

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 4:05 AM +0100 5/18/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: And by the way, this attitude of "My code is fine; your browser sucks; upgrade" can be the worst kind of arrogance, and people react to it exactly as though it were arrogance. There used to be the same kind of attit

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread tedd
At 4:05 AM +0100 5/18/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: And by the way, this attitude of "My code is fine; your browser sucks; upgrade" can be the worst kind of arrogance, and people react to it exactly as though it were arrogance. There used to be the same kind of attitude with rega

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Sancar Saran
Well. If you really really want to go Table less css. You have to you one of those CSS frameworks. I suggest YAML And even with YAML. You have to fix your design to IE6. My point of view positioning with DIV was time consuming process and very frustrating experience (especially with IE6).

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 18/5/09 08:03, Jim Lucas wrote: all major browser vendors don't even support CSS1 or CSS2 completely/correctly yet. I don't think any browser vendor intends to implement the original CSS2 Recommendation; instead they are aiming for compliance with the CSS 2.1 revision. We do have /very/

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-18 Thread Jim Lucas
Robert Cummings wrote: CSS3 will make our lives easier once it's fully supported by all major browser vendors... Rob, sorry to have to point this out to you, but all major browser vendors don't even support CSS1 or CSS2 completely/correctly yet. Plus, parts of what they do have implemented o

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:20:19PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calenda

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:20:19PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: > Paul M Foster wrote: >> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: >> >>> tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: > tedd wrote: >> However, there are occasions such as in a calenda

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread HallMarc Websites
-Original Message- From: Paul M Foster [mailto:pa...@quillandmouse.com] Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 5:44 PM To: php-general@lists.php.net Subject: Re: [PHP] CSS & tables On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: > tedd wrote: >> At 11:28 PM +0100 5/

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
Paul M Foster wrote: On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 17/5/09 22:43, Paul M Foster wrote: *Except* in IE6, which is what probably most of the world is using. Probably "a lot" rather than "most". http://www.upsdell.com/BrowserNews/stat.htm --- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis -- PHP General Mailing List (http://www.php.net/) To unsubscribe, visit: http:

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 08:40:33PM +0100, Nathan Rixham wrote: > tedd wrote: >> At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: >>> tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet as

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Stephen
Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 7:48 PM -0400 5/16/09, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis
On 15/5/09 18:25, PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impossibly t

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 7:48 PM -0400 5/16/09, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as posit

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, Semantics? What do you mean by that? And therein lies the problem -- what means something to me, may not to you. For example, if I make my header (or whatever) what makes it

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet as to IF that would be considered column data or not. I'm gonna differ on this one,

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 8:38 PM -0400 5/16/09, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 19:48 -0400, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > but... > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > and trying to avoid tab

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 7:48 PM -0400 5/16/09, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with C

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 9:15 AM -0400 5/16/09, Robert Cummings wrote: FWIW, everything I've read indicates that tables don't affect SEO. Cheers, Rob. Same here -- content is different than html. Cheers, tedd -- --- http://sperling.com http://ancientstones.com http://earthstones.com -- PHP General Mailing

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 10:48 AM +0100 5/16/09, Ashley Sheridan wrote: Trust me, semantics are gonna be the next big thing, Semantics? What do you mean by that? And therein lies the problem -- what means something to me, may not to you. For example, if I make my header (or whatever) what makes it the same as y

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/16/09 2:25 AM, "Paul M Foster" wrote: > I liken this sort of discussion to the dichotomy between movie critics > and people who actually go and see movies. The critics inevitably have > all sorts of snobby things to say about the movies which are best > attended. I'm not sure why anyone list

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 11:28 PM +0100 5/15/09, Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: However, there are occasions such as in a calendar where not using a table would be more than difficult. I haven't received a decree yet as to IF that would be considered column data or not. I'm gonna differ on this one, when you sim

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/15/09 6:28 PM, "Nathan Rixham" wrote: > so ultimately i guess it's a case of 3 cheers and a round of applause > for anybody who's thus far managed to create a website that works and > that the client likes! agreed. but lets hope some of the users like it too. i think of all the web sites t

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread tedd
At 2:34 PM -0400 5/15/09, Robert Cummings wrote: It is my opinion that browsers do not yet provided the necessary functionality across a large enough user spectrum to facilitate the versatility of layouts used by many sites today. That said, I place most of the blame squarely on Microsoft. Chee

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-17 Thread Nathan Rixham
Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 09:15 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 10:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 02:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may no

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Michael A. Peters
Paul M Foster wrote: On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 08:12:29PM -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: Stephen wrote: My sites are still viewable, and can be navigated. They just look strange. Government workers are used to strange :) Stephen My experience is that government web sites are often the wors

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Paul M Foster
On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 08:12:29PM -0700, Michael A. Peters wrote: > Stephen wrote: > >>> >> My sites are still viewable, and can be navigated. They just look strange. >> >> Government workers are used to strange :) >> >> Stephen >> > > My experience is that government web sites are often the wors

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Michael A. Peters
Stephen wrote: My sites are still viewable, and can be navigated. They just look strange. Government workers are used to strange :) Stephen My experience is that government web sites are often the worst, frequently designed in MS word using brutally illegal html that only works in IE.

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Stephen
Robert Cummings wrote: On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 19:48 -0400, Stephen wrote: PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sun, 2009-05-17 at 01:52 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 09:15 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 10:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > > On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 02:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrot

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 09:15 -0400, Robert Cummings wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 10:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > > On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 02:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > > > > > > > I know of no better place to ask. This may not b

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 19:48 -0400, Stephen wrote: > PJ wrote: > > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > > but... > > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > > and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my ti

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Stephen
PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impossibly tortuous exercise.

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Robert Cummings
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 10:48 +0100, Ashley Sheridan wrote: > On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 02:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > > > > > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > > > but... > > > I am busting my hump tryi

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Bas Avezaat
Paul M Foster wrote: On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote I've been using div's with in css float and only setting width of elements, that way your div grow dynamically pending on data size. it takes some time figuring it out but you should be able to find examples on the net.

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-16 Thread Ashley Sheridan
On Sat, 2009-05-16 at 02:25 -0400, Paul M Foster wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > > > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > > but... > > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > > and trying to avoid

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:25:42PM -0400, PJ wrote: > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > but... > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time > as positioni

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Paul M Foster
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 03:12:06PM -0400, HallMarc Websites wrote: > Um... sorry to jump in as a late arrival yet there you go > > What limitations? You could provide a layered layout using CSS and png > graphic format. As for setting up columns check out float and clear and > you're all set.

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Michael A. Peters
Nathan Rixham wrote: tedd wrote: At 2:06 PM -0400 5/15/09, Tom Worster wrote: for one thing, a table is a great way of representing relations (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Relation.html). data tables are the canonical example but very often a form's structure is a relation, e.g. between label

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Michael A. Peters
tedd wrote: At 2:06 PM -0400 5/15/09, Tom Worster wrote: for one thing, a table is a great way of representing relations (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Relation.html). data tables are the canonical example but very often a form's structure is a relation, e.g. between labels and input fields, o

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Michael A. Peters
PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impossibly tortuous exercise.

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread PJ
Nathan Rixham wrote: > tedd wrote: >> At 2:06 PM -0400 5/15/09, Tom Worster wrote: >>> for one thing, a table is a great way of representing relations >>> (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Relation.html). data tables are the >>> canonical >>> example but very often a form's structure is a relation, e.g

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread PJ
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 15:12 -0400, HallMarc Websites wrote: > >> Um... sorry to jump in as a late arrival yet there you go >> >> What limitations? You could provide a layered layout using CSS and png >> graphic format. As for setting up columns check out float and cl

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Nathan Rixham
tedd wrote: At 2:06 PM -0400 5/15/09, Tom Worster wrote: for one thing, a table is a great way of representing relations (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Relation.html). data tables are the canonical example but very often a form's structure is a relation, e.g. between labels and input fields, o

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread PJ
Robert Cummings wrote: > On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 14:59 -0400, PJ wrote: > >> tedd wrote: >> >>> At 1:25 PM -0400 5/15/09, PJ wrote: >>> I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 15:12 -0400, HallMarc Websites wrote: > Um... sorry to jump in as a late arrival yet there you go > > What limitations? You could provide a layered layout using CSS and png > graphic format. As for setting up columns check out float and clear and > you're all set. TABLE,

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 15:12 -0400, HallMarc Websites wrote: > Um... sorry to jump in as a late arrival yet there you go > > What limitations? You could provide a layered layout using CSS and png > graphic format. As for setting up columns check out float and clear and > you're all set. TABLE,

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 14:59 -0400, PJ wrote: > tedd wrote: > > At 1:25 PM -0400 5/15/09, PJ wrote: > >> I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > >> but... > >> I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > >> and trying to avoid tables; b

RE: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread HallMarc Websites
Um... sorry to jump in as a late arrival yet there you go What limitations? You could provide a layered layout using CSS and png graphic format. As for setting up columns check out float and clear and you're all set. TABLE, TR, TD, TBODY, etc were never intended to be used in the manner we see

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread PJ
tedd wrote: > At 1:25 PM -0400 5/15/09, PJ wrote: >> I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, >> but... >> I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS >> and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time >> as positio

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 14:11 -0400, tedd wrote: > At 1:25 PM -0400 5/15/09, PJ wrote: > >I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > >but... > >I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > >and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread tedd
At 2:06 PM -0400 5/15/09, Tom Worster wrote: for one thing, a table is a great way of representing relations (http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Relation.html). data tables are the canonical example but very often a form's structure is a relation, e.g. between labels and input fields, or between multip

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread tedd
At 1:25 PM -0400 5/15/09, PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impo

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Tom Worster
On 5/15/09 1:25 PM, "PJ" wrote: > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > but... > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time > as positioning with CSS seems a

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Ed Curtis
PJ wrote: I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impossibly tortuous exercise.

Re: [PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Cummings
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 13:25 -0400, PJ wrote: > I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, > but... > I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS > and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time > as positioning with

[PHP] CSS & tables

2009-05-15 Thread PJ
I know of no better place to ask. This may not be strictly a PHP issue, but... I am busting my hump trying to format rather large input pages with CSS and trying to avoid tables; but it looks to me like I am wasting my time as positioning with CSS seems an impossibly tortuous exercise. I've managed