Re: [RBW] Re: Albas & the German Mirror

[Robert Barr]

Eric - I actually tried that mount on my MB3 - worked fairly well, but I
bumped it into everything! Next time I would look down there would be
nothing but sky, and no way to adjust while riding. Bob


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:31 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

> There's always Will's option (on the Mountain Tour):
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/staff8.htm
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Re: [RBW] Re: Happy New Bike Day (Orange Quickbeam Edition)!

[Robert Barr]

David - the QB is beautiful! Are the shop pictures from the co op you told
me about? Bob


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> It's a really pristine bike. Has been used, but well cared for. I
> pretty much buy all my bikes in that condition (no brand new bike
> since 2001), and have never been let down yet! Just stoked to have a
> nice SS again. As I mentioned on flickr, should have never sold my
> original one!!!
>
> Michael, I don't know the type of tape, but it is nicer than the
> average run of the mill bar tape. I noticed that right away.
>
> On 8/22/13, Michael  wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Congrats! Beautiful bike.
> >
> > What kinda bartape is that? Looks real nice!
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Re: [RBW] Riv related items for sale; Riv Readers, grip kings, trunksack, rain pants, splats, etc...

[Robert Barr]

Eric - what size are the rain pants? Bob (Indianapolis)


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 3:07 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

> Alright, I've got a lotta things I need to sell, it's just that time of
> year for me, I have pics of some of these things on 
> flickr,
> but will take pics of the rest & post tonight:
>
> Rivendell Reader Collection 1-42 w/ only a couple missing & multiples of
> some, w/ extra catalogs, misc flyers, etc.- not sure what I should charge,
> there've been some insane prices on ebay. If you're interested, make an
> offer and we can discuss. I don't want to hold on to them as I've read and
> re-read these things over & over & they're great, but it's time to pass
> them on.
>
> Grip Kings (nearly new)-$40 shipped cont US
>
> Trunk Sack Large in Green- 2nd owner, good shape, can include coroplast
> stiffener if desired- $ 70 shipped new ones here:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/bastl-tan.htm
>
> MUSA rain pants (2nd owner, brown spot on the butt, not from poo, but
> saddle leakage. They work well, but are too orange for my rain jacket)-$40
> shipped
>
> Splats Large (too big for me, will trade for Med. or sell) $12 shipped
>
> Showers Pass Med rain jacket (got on clearance from LBS for $90, wore
> twice)- $45 shipped
>
> Nitto Technomic (Would prefer to trade for Nitto Dirt Drop stem)- 11cm in
> good shape, 25.4 I believe- $35 shipped
>
> Raleigh Professional Fork (silver not chromed, fits a 35 w/o fenders, 32
> w/ fenders, Pasela's at least)- $75 shipped
>
> Shimano LX 7 speed group from 1991 Scott Boulder(everything is in good
> working order, Biopace rings; includes: both der, triple crank & working
> 3x7 shifters & brake levers):$60 shipped
>
> Origin8 branded Tektro areo levers (black hoods, white lever; never used
> but no box)-$12 shipped
>
> Louis Garneau Winter bike shoes (these:
> http://www.performancebike.com/reviews/performance/power/pwr/product-reviews/Shoes-Pedals/Cycling-Shoes/Mountain-Shoes/LOUIS-GARNEAU/p/20__5379-Louis-Garneau-0-Ergo-Grip-Winter-Cycling-Shoe.html/
>  in size ~11; I'll verify for sure, but they're too big for me
> even w/ wool sox, like new, stored in garage so dusty, but only worn twice-
> $50 shipped
>
> If ANYTHING seems outta line or would interest you at a lower cost, please
> let me know. I'm looking to get rid of things not necessarily make or even
> recoup all my invested dollars.
> I also have some misc items like Arc bars from an XO-5, slingshot
> stem/bars from an old Trek 850, that'd I'd sell for $5 plus shipping if
> interested.
>
> Reply to e-mail & I'll get back as quick as I can. Paypal is preferred,
> but please send money to your friend Eric rather than buying something.
>
> Best,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Happy New Bike Day (Orange Quickbeam Edition)!

[Robert Barr]

There is a frequently seen Redlands Bike BBQ t-shirt in Indianapolis of all
places!


On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 9:30 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Thanks, Bob!
>
> And yes, that's the Redlands Bike BBQ in the pics a few down:
> http://www.bikebbq.com/ I hear they have great t-shirts!
>
> On 8/22/13, Robert Barr  wrote:
> > David - the QB is beautiful! Are the shop pictures from the co op you
> told
> > me about? Bob
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:57 PM, cyclotourist
> > wrote:
> >
> >> It's a really pristine bike. Has been used, but well cared for. I
> >> pretty much buy all my bikes in that condition (no brand new bike
> >> since 2001), and have never been let down yet! Just stoked to have a
> >> nice SS again. As I mentioned on flickr, should have never sold my
> >> original one!!!
> >>
> >> Michael, I don't know the type of tape, but it is nicer than the
> >> average run of the mill bar tape. I noticed that right away.
> >>
> >> On 8/22/13, Michael  wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Congrats! Beautiful bike.
> >> >
> >> > What kinda bartape is that? Looks real nice!
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Re: [RBW] Re: [BOB] Re: Laptop carriage

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, I have read enough of your posts that I should remember if you are
a basket fan or not - but I don't. Since you ask broadly how people carry
their laptops I will tell you that after much experimentation I ended up
with a big basket in front and a small saddlesack in back. I can pack all
manner of things in the saddlesack, but the basket is great for my bag,
which depending on the day and the project, will have either a very small
Sony Vaio, a massive Dell, or an iPad, in the padded sleeve. Regardless of
what I am carrying, the bag doesn't bounce, sway, or shift. I roll into my
office, pull of the bungee net and off I go. I haven't found anything
simpler or better, Bob (Indianapolis)


On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Brad -- interesting; incitation to buy yet another electronic Apple POS.
>
> I wonder: can I do fancy formatting -- graphs (via Excel), borders, boxes,
> what have you -- via an iPad?
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 5:03 PM, Brad  wrote:
>
>> I would seriously consider adding an iPad to your stable.  With the
>> addition of iTeleport Connect app to both the iPad and your Mac you can
>> access the Mac from afar.  The iPad will fit into a  Berthoud handlebar bag
>> I believe.   I got mine for work- 4000 pages of evidence to review in .pdf
>> format from a warrant for a drug dealer/stripper's facebook account. but I
>> am finding it incredibly useful as time goes by and learn how to integrate
>> into my work flow.   It can do everything a MacPlus could and a lot more.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, August 24, 2013 9:54:59 AM UTC-4, bertin753 wrote:
>>
>>> I traded my Bike Bureau last year after having it sit in my garage for a
>>> year or more unused. Now I am back in a position where I have to carry a
>>> large and heavy -- 17" -- MacBook Pro 11 miles each way (my house and my
>>> mother's house). I know I can simply wrap it in a thick towel -- or make my
>>> own foam case -- and stick it into an Ortlieb, but I am curious how you
>>> others carry laptops.
>>>
>>> I'm most interested in panniers, disliking heavy loads on my back and
>>> having finally switched back to panniers after trying (for the n dozenth
>>> time) saddlebags of different shapes and sizes, but I'll be interested at
>>> least academically in alternatives to panniers.
>>>
>>> Is there any real benefit for such regular carriage to having a solid
>>> state drive installed?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Robert Barr]

As Diane says - don't give up. I have spent days getting my wife and
daughters saddles adjusted - and they are all three adjusted differently.
The nose tilt is critical and I adjust that in very small increments.
Interesting to me, the saddle didn't seem to be as important as the
adjustment. Good luck, Bob (Indianapolis)


On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM, DianeB  wrote:

> Cecily,  I've adjusted the seat tilt up and down, in small increments, and
> I think I finally have it dialed in.   Don't give up just yet!
>
>
> On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
>> saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely
>> upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy,
>> and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts.
>>
>> My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17
>> won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of
>> you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle?
>>
>> If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Cecily
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Re: [RBW] My miniature AHH

[Robert Barr]

Diane,  I am sure that was a rough ride! I have ridden Marathons for years
and I don't think I have ever exceeded 50 psi in the rear. My wife is 5'5"
and rides a 49 cm  MB3 (26" wheels) with Marathons at 40 psi in the rear
and 30 psi in the front. Bob (Indianapolis)




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Re: [RBW] Re: Gransfors Bruks Hatchets

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Liesl - that is a beautiful spoon. I have a piece of Dogwood that I can
"see" the ladle in, now to see if I can realize the vision. Bob
(Indianapolis)


On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Beautiful, Liesl! Your skill is inspiring and I suspect may lead to
> frustration as I attempt to do something equally ornate. I know knife
> carving is too intricate for my brain capacity (fine motor skills are very
> taxing on my brain energy), but the hatchet may right at the ballence point
> between brute force and finesse. If I can do it, I'll like get the mini
> also, both so my daughters have something smaller for them and so I can
> ossibly do finer work but still witht he power of the hatchet. Here's to
> hoping hatchet carving fuels my brain rather than taxing it! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:48:32 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:
>>
>> oops here's the photos
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

[Robert Barr]

Manny, thanks for posting this. I was laughing all through the list*. *Some
of the comments remind me that humor doesn't  always travel well... Bob
(Indianapolis)


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Jimmy Hutch wrote:

> 90/92 rules are complete horseshit.  I personally love #12 (
> http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#12 ) and #5 (
> http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#5 ), respectively.  I recognize the
> conflict because if I was a bit harder, I would be able to get by with a
> single steed, rendering #12 moot.  A Hilsen or Bombadil or Atlantis would
> do the trick.   But if I was a bit harder, I'd be able to get by with a
> Quickbeam or Simple One.  But if i was a bit harder, I could...I could go
> on and on about how different life would be if I worked on #5.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, well said, as usual. Always glad to know you are out there.



On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Humor travels just fine. Sometimes it lands in hostile territory and gets
> slaughtered.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:24:58 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Manny, thanks for posting this. I was laughing all through the list*. *Some
>> of the comments remind me that humor doesn't  always travel well... Bob
>> (Indianapolis)
>>
>>
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>>
>>> 90/92 rules are complete horseshit.  I personally love #12 (
>>> http://www.velominati.com/the-**rules/#12<http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#12>)
>>>  and #5 (
>>> http://www.velominati.com/the-**rules/#5<http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#5>),
>>>  respectively.  I recognize the conflict because if I was a bit harder, I
>>> would be able to get by with a single steed, rendering #12 moot.  A Hilsen
>>> or Bombadil or Atlantis would do the trick.   But if I was a bit harder,
>>> I'd be able to get by with a Quickbeam or Simple One.  But if i was a bit
>>> harder, I could...I could go on and on about how different life would be if
>>> I worked on #5.
>>>
>>> But #12 is so much more fun.  And easier.
>>>
>>> -Jimmy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Talk about the rules

[Robert Barr]

As Doug wrote - the grin was there - I could almost see the pipe in the
smile!


On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:05 PM, dougP  wrote:

> I could see the "grin" from here.  Wonder how much time was spent
> developing "the rules"?  I finally plowed thru the  whole lot, only to find
> myself in violation of any number:  beard, mirror, bags-on-bikes, excess
> water bottle size & number, absolutely lost on the helmet & glasses issue,
> etc., etc.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Thursday, September 5, 2013 7:41:31 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Robert. I'm out there all right! I wasn't sure if I should put a
>> "grin" on that one, but thought I'd see what happens. Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:39:16 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick, well said, as usual. Always glad to know you are out there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>>> Humor travels just fine. Sometimes it lands in hostile territory and
>>>> gets slaughtered.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thursday, September 5, 2013 8:24:58 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Manny, thanks for posting this. I was laughing all through the list*.
>>>>> *Some of the comments remind me that humor doesn't  always travel
>>>>> well... Bob (Indianapolis)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Jimmy Hutch >>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  90/92 rules are complete horseshit.  I personally love #12 (
>>>>>> http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#12<http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#12>)
>>>>>>  and #5 (
>>>>>> http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#5<http://www.velominati.com/the-rules/#5>),
>>>>>>  respectively.  I recognize the conflict because if I was a bit harder, I
>>>>>> would be able to get by with a single steed, rendering #12 moot.  A 
>>>>>> Hilsen
>>>>>> or Bombadil or Atlantis would do the trick.   But if I was a bit harder,
>>>>>> I'd be able to get by with a Quickbeam or Simple One.  But if i was a bit
>>>>>> harder, I could...I could go on and on about how different life would be 
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> I worked on #5.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But #12 is so much more fun.  And easier.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Jimmy
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who's drinking the Kool Aid?

[Robert Barr]

It took George's note from Australia to motivate me to respond. Aside from
the bicycle pump, Wollongong and Indianapolis sound similar, even down to a
bit of rust belt heritage. As I read the earlier responses I kept thinking
that I have never had anything but compliments about my Hungapillar, but
then I think the only riders that might want to disparage the bike, seem to
ride on Tuesday and Thursday nights - and then only as a group off to
themselves, whereas I am a commuter and not a pack animal...If I were an
ethnosociologist I might find all this really interesting. Bob


On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 7:57 PM, George Millwood  wrote:

> I have drunk the Kool Aid and I'm proud of it.  My Atlantis is the perfect
>> road bike for me, a sixty plus trundler of a cyclist who enjoys riding and
>> couldn't give a hot buttered stuff for racing.  My other bikes are a
>> Specialized Shark beach cruiser which is essential as I live on a beach in
>> Australia and a Birdy folding bike for which I'm waiting delivery.  The
>> Shark has a Brooks B68, King Cage and a Carradice and I'm planning a whole
>> lot of other Rivendell bling for it and the Birdy.
>>
>
>
>> Wollongong is a rust belt city by the sea that used to be a steel town
>> and is fast becoming a University town.  We have a wide range of cycle
>> styles meeting down by the beach for an espresso.  However, the serious
>> lycra set meet at Diggies café and the rest of us meet at the North Beach
>> Kiosk.  Both cafes are part of the same building and run by the same
>> management but serious lycra does not speak to the Others.  That is their
>> problem and their Kool Aid, I would include the rather earthy Australian
>> retort for these people but it would probably grossly offend a lot of
>> innocent people.  It has something to do with inserting their bicycle pump
>> in the most inappropriate part of their anatomy for reasons of self
>> gratification.  But you must realise that Australians have always been
>> rather blunt and to the point.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Happy New Bike Day (Orange Quickbeam Edition)!

[Robert Barr]

David - you have me looking at bikes. I have been riding 40x16 for close to
a year. I shift every few months to make sure the RD still works, but those
other gears never get used.  Bob (I almost bought a Simpleone) Indianapolis


On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 10:30 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Heellloo...
>
> Amazing how adaptable the engine is!
>
> On 9/7/13, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
> > Welcome Back, CT, me and the other Ents have missed you!
> >
> > - Jim / cyclofiend.com
> >
> > On Saturday, September 7, 2013 5:42:04 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
> >>
> >> Follow up: Today was my first significant ride on the new Quickbeam.
> >> About 25 miles. Bit of climbing, long, mild descent, some flatish
> >> singletrack. My favorite Saturday morning loop in other words!
> >>
> >> And I must say, the Quickbeam performed FLAWLESSLY. Up the hills
> >> kinda' slowly in 40X18, standing now and then. Followed by coasting
> >> down the steeper portions where I was out of gear, and moving to 40X16
> >> on the White Dos freewheel to spin up on the rolling downhill part.
> >> Then back to 40X18 for the singletrack and roads home. All this before
> >> 9:00!
> >>
> >> Riding this fantastic bike makes me wonder why I have gears on the other
> >> ones!
> >> (I tend to remember why when I hit a steep hill)
> >>
> >> Today's ride on top: http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist
> >>
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pikes Peak S72O

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, as usual your pictures are beautiful and make me miss the
mountains. I hope the gray days gave you some comfort (your smile makes me
think they did!). Bob


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Indeed! The way we say that here is "There's no such thing as bad weather,
> only bad clothing."
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:59:09 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>
>> what an adventure and great pics. I guess it's true: weather's no problem
>> when you have the right clothes (and bike!).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58:09 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> The hope was that getting away from the hustle and bustle of our wee
>>> town (700 year round residents) with a lot of construction going on would
>>> help me recover the "brain cushion" I'd lost over the past month
>>> (for a variety of reasons).
>>>
>>> My wife dropped me off at the base of Craigs Road (not sure what it's
>>> really called, but Craigs Campground is on it) and I rode to the single
>>> track 4 miles in. This was to save my brain from the long climb up Ute Pass
>>> on Hwy 24 with way too much traffic. After that, it was all amazing single
>>> track, with a bit of LCG (lowest common gear: walking), especially with
>>> gear for up to five nights (I wasn't sure how long I'd stay in). This is
>>> the kind of single track that is sheer fun to ride. Short stretches of
>>> smooth easy, mostly either climbing or descending, rooty and rocky. Riding
>>> it loaded puts the riding skills to the test!
>>>
>>> Camped Northwest of Sentinel Peak 12,500ish feet), on the Western tail
>>> of Pikes Peak. Rained steadily both nights, but day one and two were rain
>>> free. Day three was steady rain for all but 15 minutes. Hilltrek Cotton
>>> Analogy once again proves it's worth: riding and hiking and running and
>>> never getting wet inside, either from sweat or rain. Beautiful!
>>>
>>> I returned home via Hwy 24 (descents are much faster and I mostly keep
>>> up with traffic, so noise is less of a brain risk). It's always wonderful
>>> to return home on my own power, brain cushion greatly increased.
>>>
>>> I have to say the Sackville bags continue to do wonderfully in the rain.
>>> I do not double bag anything and it all stays dry even in day long (or
>>> multi-day long rain). Also, Hilltrek's Cotton Analogy gear (jacket,
>>> breeches, gators) continue to work beautifully: not wet from sweat or rain
>>> -- impressive considering my exertion level returning home and the the
>>> precipitation rate.
>>>
>>> Photos here...
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**32311885@N07/sets/**72157635482251165/
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pikes Peak S72O

[Robert Barr]

200 year - are you in Manitou? We will talk about that one of these
days!  I had planned to be out in October to look at some streams in the
Waldo Canyon fire area and intended to find you. That is postponed for a
bit. Bob


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:38 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yeah, even after the local "200 year flood" in the creek a few yards from
> our house a few weeks ago, I still love the rain. I guess I'm just a
> mountain bumpkin at heart. Grin. Though I'm baffled how they can call it a
> 200 year flood. Once you get past the time of keeping records, shouldn't
> you just call it a millennial flood for effect? Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:20:37 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Patrick, as usual your pictures are beautiful and make me miss the
>> mountains. I hope the gray days gave you some comfort (your smile makes me
>> think they did!). Bob
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed! The way we say that here is "There's no such thing as bad
>>> weather, only bad clothing."
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:59:09 PM UTC-6, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> what an adventure and great pics. I guess it's true: weather's no
>>>> problem when you have the right clothes (and bike!).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:58:09 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The hope was that getting away from the hustle and bustle of our wee
>>>>> town (700 year round residents) with a lot of construction going on would
>>>>> help me recover the "brain cushion" I'd lost over the past month
>>>>> (for a variety of reasons).
>>>>>
>>>>> My wife dropped me off at the base of Craigs Road (not sure what it's
>>>>> really called, but Craigs Campground is on it) and I rode to the single
>>>>> track 4 miles in. This was to save my brain from the long climb up Ute 
>>>>> Pass
>>>>> on Hwy 24 with way too much traffic. After that, it was all amazing single
>>>>> track, with a bit of LCG (lowest common gear: walking), especially with
>>>>> gear for up to five nights (I wasn't sure how long I'd stay in). This is
>>>>> the kind of single track that is sheer fun to ride. Short stretches of
>>>>> smooth easy, mostly either climbing or descending, rooty and rocky. Riding
>>>>> it loaded puts the riding skills to the test!
>>>>>
>>>>> Camped Northwest of Sentinel Peak 12,500ish feet), on the Western tail
>>>>> of Pikes Peak. Rained steadily both nights, but day one and two were rain
>>>>> free. Day three was steady rain for all but 15 minutes. Hilltrek Cotton
>>>>> Analogy once again proves it's worth: riding and hiking and running and
>>>>> never getting wet inside, either from sweat or rain. Beautiful!
>>>>>
>>>>> I returned home via Hwy 24 (descents are much faster and I mostly keep
>>>>> up with traffic, so noise is less of a brain risk). It's always wonderful
>>>>> to return home on my own power, brain cushion greatly increased.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to say the Sackville bags continue to do wonderfully in the
>>>>> rain. I do not double bag anything and it all stays dry even in day long
>>>>> (or multi-day long rain). Also, Hilltrek's Cotton Analogy gear (jacket,
>>>>> breeches, gators) continue to work beautifully: not wet from sweat or rain
>>>>> -- impressive considering my exertion level returning home and the the
>>>>> precipitation rate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Photos here...
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**3**2311885@N07/sets/**7215763548225**
>>>>> 1165/<http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157635482251165/>
>>>>>
>>>>> With abandon,
>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>
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>>>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Practical Racing

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, my commuting colleagues and I have a variation of your race that
we do fairly often. On stormy days we watch the storms coming in on weather
radar and time our departure for home based on the storm arrival. We almost
always procrastinate just a bit too long and end up with a sprint to home.
Earlier this summer I was racing a storm line that was getting darker and
noisier by the minute - I ended up with lots of wind and some too close
lightening - it was a wonderful ride! Bob


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> good run
>
> On Monday, September 16, 2013 7:39:16 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Sometimes racing can be practical. Today, after a wonderful ride to a
>> mountain reservoir where I spend a few hours before coming home, I could
>> clearly see in looming well over the horizon a wall of thunderous clouds.
>> Each time I was able to glimpse them between the trees and hills it was
>> rapidly closing in. Yes, I has rain gear with me. But dealing with traffic
>> on the state highway when it's dark and raining is hardly fun. 7 miles to
>> go. Who would win? Thunder rolling all around, the updraft of the storm
>> behind me creating a headwind that greatly slowed my descent. I made it
>> into town still dry, with half a mile to go, surrounded by dark and fog and
>> near constant thunder. I crossed the finish line into my garage as the
>> first drops fell. Got 'um at the tape with a lean! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Barefoot Friendly Pedals

[Robert Barr]

I love my Grip Kings, but can't think of a good way to make them barefoot
friendly. For me they definitely grip,  although I have read the many
reports of making them grippier.


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Those Moto pedals look amazing. Get those.
> Can I have your old Bullseye pedals?
>
> Philip
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Re: [RBW] Too small MB-3, need help with Dirt Drop, bar rec's

[Robert Barr]

Tim,

I have two MB-3s, a 55cm that I rode as a commuter and now use as local
trail explorer, and I 49cm that my wife rides. I am right at 6', but with a
shorter inseam, so the 55 is a bit too small for me, but I have a lot of
fun with it. The 49 fits my wife perfectly. I have Alba bars and a dirt
drop stem on the 55. Measured from the top of the headset locknut the
center of the bars are at 14 cm, with the "wings" at 20 cm. The stem is not
maxed out. My wife likes her bars a bit higher and has Alba bars on a
Periscopa stem. I love the Albas - have them on three bikes, so I can't
speak to the Boscoes.

Bob (Indianapolis)


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Tim Tetrault  wrote:

> Hey all- I have a nice, sort of beat up but still very usable MB-3 that I
> bought a few months back that I want to turn into my rainy
> commuter/singletrack explorer. It's a 21'' frame I believe, and I am 6'2''
> with a long inseam. It is rideable, but not comfortable for very long.
>
> I'm reaching out to the group for recommendations on a combo bar/stem that
> could be workable. How much lift would a dirt drop give me with an Alba bar
> vs. a Bosco? Those Boscos seem huge.
>
> I'd like to be able to hang on to this bike and make it work. Seems like
> it's got a lot of life left in it and my Sam Hilborne remains my main ride.
>
> Thanks-
>
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] For sale: handlebars, pedals, brakes, miscellany

[Robert Barr]

The links don't work for me, nor does the link you posted to Patrick. Bob


On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 9:23 PM, nathan  wrote:

> Update: dealing with a technical issue preventing the links from loading.
> :( In the meantime, feel free to personally email me to claim a part.
>
> -nathan
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
>> It does not. "Business not found".
>>
>> The main link at the top, and the bull moose bar link.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>>
>> On Sep 29, 2013, at 7:11 PM, nathan  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Patrick,
>>
>> I just tried right now and they loaded correctly. Which ones are failing
>> for you? Does https://squareup.com/market/nathan-spindel work for you?
>>
>> -nathan
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>>> None of the links I tried work -- so did everything sell that fast? Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:59:52 PM UTC-6, nathan wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Aspen Gold 3-day trip

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, the pictures are beautiful, thank you for sharing.



On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 8:48 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> As my wife reminded me upon my return, I've been trying to get out and
> immerse myself in Colorado's glorious aspen colors for over five years, but
> my brain or daughters births prevented it. Not this year!
>
> The spot will look familiar to you if you've been gracious to view other
> trips -- but not these colors. Wow. Visual symphony of color. Glowing gold
> and orange with brilliant deep blue sky above and deep rich evergreen
> dappled around and behind with grasses of tan and rust all combine to
> delight the eye and feed the soul.
>
> I base camped, having a lazy ride in as my family hiked in (more technical
> than they all like to ride -- yet) to spend the day with me before they
> departed back home (we don't yet have gear for everyone for the 20˚F
> nights). They departed in the late afternoon of day one and I settled in
> for a few days of solitude and brain cushion recovery.
>
> Day 2, I woke at dawn, though the sun would still be 2 hours peaking over
> the hill (what I get for camping on the west side of a 14,000 peak!). My
> choices were to be lazy in my warm bag or get up and ride myself warm. I
> rode. Climbing that next ridge will always warm you up! Once I couldn't
> ride up the steep trail of Sentinel, I tied off the Hunqapillar and hoofed
> it the rest of the way to the tundra. Amazing views of the Sangre de Cristo
> and Collegiante ranges, as well as Lost Creek Wilderness, and South Park.
> After returning to my bike, I felt good so headed to Horsethief Falls,
> getting back to camp about 5pm. Standard day's food for dinner of beef
> jerky, butter, and dried potatoes.
>
> Day three: a leisurely breakdown of camp as I wanted things to thaw/dry
> before I hauled out extra weight, then up and over the three ridges before
> the trail ended and I rode Edlow road and Hwy 24 back home.
>
> Amazing trip and my brain has a bit more cushion again! We'll see if the
> snow allows more overnight trips or not this year.
>
> My second eldest daughter had a blast taking photos of me riding, and she
> has a real artistic eye emerging.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157636166222556/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: One day touring

[Robert Barr]

I think I need  to go west! Indiana has some beautiful rides, particularly
in the Fall, but between this and Patrick's Fall Aspen report I am ready to
travel. Thanks for the write up.


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 1:41 AM, Manuel Acosta
wrote:

> As always Anne lovely write-up. Planet of the Apes is amazing. Apparently
> there used to be an old boy scout troop camp complete with bmx jumps and
> rope swings that dirges off of Planet of the Apes road!
>
> More to check out next time I guess.
>
> On Thursday, October 3, 2013 8:06:11 PM UTC-7, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Just got back from a Pacific Coast tour, Klamath Falls to Los Altos.
>> My friend and I had planned to do the Lost Coast, the dirt part of the
>> northern California Coast from Honeydew south to Usal Road. Sadly, we
>> had a lot of rain, and we decided that the Lost Coast, which would
>> have been a challenge for us in dry weather, would be too difficult in
>> the wet with our smooth tires, so we had to go around it on the often
>> unpleasant section of Highway 1 from Scotia to Leggett.
>>
>> But we got through the unpleasant section, and made it further south.
>> The last THREE times I crossed the Golden Gate Bridge, I vowed I'd
>> crossed for the last time-- it's awful. So this time we routed around
>> it. From Point Reyes, we crossed over to China Camp, and camped there.
>> On a Monday night in late September, or was it early October, the
>> campground at China Camp is gloriously empty.
>>
>> We expected China Camp to Half Moon Bay would be a long day, and even
>> though I live nearby, we'd be riding  city streets unfamiliar to me,
>> with a lot of navigation all morning, so we got an early start,
>> leaving just at sunup. As we circled along the quiet morning shoreline
>> of San Pablo Bay, we saw joggers,  some turkeys looking for breakfast,
>> but no cars. As we got to San Rafael, more and more commute traffic
>> showed up, but we managed to get through it and, with some help from a
>> kind truck passenger on his way to a construction job, we found the
>> new bike path to the Larkspur ferry.
>>
>> By luck, we arrived just in time to get our tickets and get on the
>> ferry. Oh, and guys-- if you see a 57-year-old woman struggling to
>> carry a loaded touring bike up a steep flight of stairs, it is OK to
>> offer to give a hand. My friend did get some help, from a nice young
>> woman, but the hordes of young men remained glued to their
>> smartphones.
>>
>> One of the best things about the Larkspur ferry is that it takes you
>> to the San Francisco Ferry Building, foodie heaven, a place that
>> overwhelms me with deliciousness. After a stop at Peets Coffee, and a
>> visit to the Cowgirl Cantina for sandwiches for later (Ham and Tam,
>> yum) we crossed San Francisco. The City by the Bay was showing itself
>> off for us, as we rode through Chinatown and past colorful Victorian
>> rowhouses in brilliant sunshine.
>>
>> The route from Lake Merced to Pacifica is tedious, but then we got to
>> the excitement of the day: Planet of the Apes, otherwise known as Old
>> San Pedro Mountain Road, a Manny favorite. Manny showed us a photo
>> essay of the misery of riding Planet of the Apes in the dark and the
>> rain, but we were riding in sunshine.
>>
>> Planet of the Apes the old Highway 1, before they built the road
>> across Devils Slide, that famous road that kept sliding into the ocean
>> every three or four years. My friend and I had done a similar tour a
>> few years ago, and ridden Devils Slide at rush hour. Both of us are
>> very experienced tourists, and he is also a randonneur who has ridden
>> PBP twice, so we're not novices, but we literally thought we were
>> going to die. Never again. Now there is a tunnel through Devils Slide,
>> with a bike lane, so it's reportedly much less dangerous, but
>> nevertheless we were excited at routing around it. Planet of the Apes
>> is AWESOME. It was a road, but it's now a trail, with remnants of
>> asphalt, that winds up and around chaparral-covered hills. In the
>> early afternoon, with plenty of time to enjoy the ride, we picked our
>> way through the potholes, the dirt, and the washouts. Every time we
>> thought we'd reach the top, we discovered we had to climb the next
>> ridge. But eventually it was down, down, down to the ocean.
>>
>> Somehow we had still air on Planet of the Apes but when we got back to
>> Highway 1 a stiff tailwind was blowing, something we had been sorely
>> missing for the previous days of the tour. We barely had to pedal to
>> get to our campsite at Half Moon Bay.
>>
>> Gorgeous day, wonderful trip. My Atlantis performed flawlessly as usual.
>>
>> P.S. China Camp will make a great Jamboree location.
>>
>> --
>> -- Anne Paulson
>>
>> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter cycling pants

[Robert Barr]

Winter riding attire can be quite a fashion statement. My preferred cool to
cold weather bottoms are shorts with different weights of capilene long
underwear layered underneath. It probably doesn't help my look that I also
tend to wear my oldest and most tattered shorts in this ensemble.
Regardless - it works great down to about 20, then I shift over
to softshell.  Bob (Indianapolis)


On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Be sure to let us see the runway photos when you've made some. Seriously,
> if you don't mind looking a bit retro, they are very practical.
>
> OTOH, one cold morning I had ridden the 6 miles south to pick up the
> crosstown express bus and I was standing at the stop looking quite natty in
> my James Black cap, wool jersey, charcoal knickers, black knee socks, and
> perhaps unfortunately a pair of, I must admit, rather fey looking old-stock
> black leather Rivat or Vittoria sheepskin lined winter riding shoes -- they
> were old, narrow, and a wee bit turned up at the toe. The driver, a middle
> aged woman, looked at me and, quite seriously asked, "Are you going to a
> party?"
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 7:03 PM, Clayton  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I also bought velcro to try to make my own knickers. I will haunt the
>> thrift stores.
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Re: [RBW] Re: First Meeting of The Sunrise Coffee & Tea Club

[Robert Barr]

The Eiteljorg for sunrise coffee sounds like a good start to the day.
Please let me know when you are planning to meet. Bob


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 3:53 PM, EGNolan  wrote:

> Avery, I usually do them I. Mondays. I'm on the east side & ride downtown
> to the Eiteljorg to make coffee. Next week sometime perhaps we can meet up?
>
> Best,
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Re: [RBW] Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Robert Barr]

Hope you can ride soon! Bob


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> Ditto.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tektro brake setup

[Robert Barr]

Michael - I am surprised at your problems with the 720s. My 720s set up
easier than any canti's I have used, and I bought them at the
recommendation of a friend that had just put them on two bikes.  I haven't
used Paul's, but compared to the Dia Compe and Shimano's that I have
experience with, the 720s were great. Self- centered with just a nudge as
Garth mentions, and then I tightened the carrier - never budged. My
experience may be unique, unlike a number of the comments you have
received, I like the adjustability of the Tektro carrier so much I bought
another set to see if they would held me adjust the always frustrating Dia
Compe's on my wife's MB3. They worked great. The diverse experiences of the
group with the 720s remind me again why we have the range of components
that we do - something for everyone. Good luck!


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 8:25 PM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> When you say you haven't had any trouble, do you mean the brakes self
> centered or you found a simple work around? What is it?
>
> I started with their hanger and then tossed it out and bought a Paul's
> moon unit.  Same result - one brake rubs while the other sits far away.
>  Putting one spring in the top hole on the post helped somewhat.   I
> beginning to think the springs themselves must have a lot of variability.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:01:53 PM UTC-4, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Haven't had any troubles with them. As others have noted, I used a
>> different hanger and Avid Tri-dangle straddles as opposed to the stock
>> ones, as I found the small hex cable bolts easier to manage than the wrench
>> bolts.
>>
>> The brakes themselves are pretty good, geometrically, aesthetically and
>> function-wise. Nice value.
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, October 13, 2013 7:54:52 AM UTC-4, Garth wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>  I tried the 720's on my Bombadil and had no problem setting them up in
>>> a jiffy.  there is nothing wrong with the brakes themselves, it's only the
>>> stock hanger that is worthless.  Just use a regular ol' hanger, the basic
>>> ones .  If you don't have one handy, any bike shop worthy of being called
>>> one should have them new or in the parts bin.  I have used canti's since
>>> the early 80's and have found the small, basic cable carriers work best.
>>> The wider one's are not better.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Thank you for the photos (AKA vicarious rides)

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - I am delighted to read that you got out - and the aspen looks
beautiful. I was thinking about you this morning as my daughter and I
worked our way around a nice trail. I let the girls direct the route, and
they are quite sure that there is nowhere they can't go on their bikes...


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> Sharing the love, here are a few of the aspen that greeted me:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/10254043375/
>
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Pittsburgh night ride

[Robert Barr]

Andy - very nice. Looks like a beautiful night.


On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 7:53 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> A very pleasant group I've ridden with every Tuesday, April through
> September has now gone dormant for the dark seasons. Several of us have
> decided to keep up the riding under the cover of darkness. It's become a
> celebration of generator hubs and LED headlights. We gather at Tazza d'oro
> coffee and head out for the highs and lows, enjoying the pretty vast
> infrastructure available off the roadways where possible.
>
> We wound our way through the Carnegie Mellon University campus, through a
> dark Panther Hollow, along the jail trail and the Hot Metal Bridge (named
> for the one-time cargo of the insulated  railcars taking molten iron or
> steel across the river to secondary mills) to the South Side. We picked a
> reasonably desolate path up into the heights of Mount Washington and along
> the "non-view" neighborhoods and then crossed the summit line to Grandview
> Avenue to enjoy the proceeds of our work.
>
> Mount Washington had coal seams that were mined horizontally with some
> opening on the face overlooking town. Chutes delivered it to the riverbank
> for a simple barge trip to the fires of the steel industry up and down the
> rivers. "Hell with the lid off" James Parton wrote in 1868. Certainly
> different now. This place is now about education, medicine, and technology.
> Other recent insights include the growing value of the waterfront *
> mileage,* which had been avoided as the uncomfortable place where
> industry was. Redevelopment has been managed to value those massive tracts
> and many bikeway miles have been established along them. The Great
> Allegheny Passage starts at the fountain in Point State Park and runs
> upstream along the city side of Monongahela ("*Mon*") River, crossing the
> Hot Metal Bridge and continuing to the town of McKeesport where it picks up
> the Youghiogheny ("*Yock*") River along which it runs into the Allegheny
> Mountains toward Cumberland, MD then Washington DC via the C&O Canal
> towpath; 325 miles. Too much for tonight.
>
> We descended Sycamore Street (part of the old Thrift Drug Classic and The
> Dirty Dozen)
> to Station Square, crossed the very decorative Smithfield Street Bridge to
> downtown and the jail trail, and back to the start where several of us
> retired around the corner for a pleasant post ride refreshment and
> conversation.
>
> Nice to keep the positive vibe of the ride group going into dark part of
> the year. Sure is a glowing plug for lighting, I know it takes little
> provocation to spill praise for mine.
>
> Oh yeah, pictures prove... Pittsburgh Night Ride 
> 10/15
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rampart Reservoir S24O

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, looks like a good ride, hopefully we can ride up into Waldo next
spring. Bob


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yes indeed, Erl. Up until it wasn't, it was a great time! Even after the
> construction began, the ride out was stunning -- late light streaming
> through lingering aspen and rolling alpine meadows.
>
> I think that picture was taken soon after riding through a 100 yard
> flooded set ion of the trail. It was covered with a sheet of ice and I
> figured I'd simply crash through. I did, but it was a near thing. Ice was
> thicker than it looked (or I'm lighter than I look!). Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Friday, October 25, 2013 7:21:59 AM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>>
>> Patrick,
>> Beautiful Photos.  The smile on your face says it all! Thanks for sharing.
>> Erl
>>
>> On Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:19:39 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> It was supposed to be a S48O, but between hunters and loud construction
>>> work on the dam from pre-dawn to post-dusk my brain was not getting the
>>> escape it needed. So I’m recovering from my recover ride. But that’s the
>>> joy of pushing the envelope to try and heal the brain — sometimes it pushes
>>> back.
>>>
>>> It was a grand trip, with lots of day riding, including through snow on
>>> the north slopes, a few groves of aspen still in full color, and riding
>>> through a small finger of the Waldo Burn area. The sun is lower now, as my
>>> burnt nose can attest to despite wearing my brimmed hat. Apparently I need
>>> a sombrero. Grin. Temps are now getting down to the edge of my equipment
>>> and safety comfort level, so this will likely be the last camping trip till
>>> Spring. It was a fantastic one while it lasted.
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**32311885@N07/sets/**72157636920660764/
>>>
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>>> Patrick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] wtb: Rivendell Bombadil ~ 56cm ~ diagatube?

[Robert Barr]

Eric - I love my Digatube Hunqapillar - the bike is a marvel. I don't want
to take anything away from the celebrated Atlantis, but you can do
anything on a Hunqapillar, and I have to think that the Bomba will be the
same. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Eric  wrote:

> I posted a "wtb" for a 52cm Bomba a little bit ago but after further
> discussion I think a 56cm will fit me better.
>
> So if you're looking to thin the herd I'm your man looking 56cm Bomba and
> I think I'd love a Digatube, they've really been growing on me!
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Homer goes to Amish country.

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The Amish communities in northern Indiana are heavily bicycle oriented, to
the degree that there are some remarkable home-crafted cargo and child
carrying bikes. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> On 10/29/2013 10:40 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
>
>> curious whether the Amish consider bicycles to be "English"
>>
>
> Some clearly do.  In Lancaster county, PA, the Amish don't use
> pedal-bicycles, they use a large-wheeled scooter.  In the past, however, I
> recall seeing them using bicycles; not sure when they changed.  In other
> areas, practices vary.  I believe I've seen Amish in Southern Maryland on
> bicycles (although it's hard to tell sometimes, there are also Mennonites
> in the area).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Highland Day Ride

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, your pictures pull at me - I miss the mountains!



On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yeah, Hugh, you'd have to lose the beard mousse and spiced eyebrow wax for
> a few weeks lest the scents send me down the mountain. Grin.
>
> As far as stinking, I read a National Geographic article in which the crew
> described how before reaching the South American village they stopped at
> the river to take their first bath in weeks. The medicine man wouldn't go
> near them because they "stunk." I knew exactly what he was talking about
> and couldn't stop laughing. Stink is in the nose of the besniffer. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 10:01:41 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> 20 degrees and dark! I would say I'd love to join in but there's the
>> matter of scents (not saying I stink) and that I think it's cold at 40
>> degrees, hey that is cold in Southern California :-) Seriously, I totally
>> enjoy the scenery in your part of the world. One of these days I will ride
>> in Colorado.
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> On Thursday, October 31, 2013 3:16:14 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Well it was a bundle and batten down your chihuahua type of day. 20˚F
>>> for most of my ride, as I started out before sunrise, and quickly climbed
>>> to 10,000+ feet. Lots of the ride was through 1-2” of remnant snow. I came
>>> to one cleaning and the chihuahua was less dog and more kite — someone
>>> hadn’t battened the poor lad down very well.
>>>
>>> Incredible views of Pikes Peak from an angle most don’t see. I passed
>>> the “Bigfoot Crossing” sign on the Pikes Peak Highway, but it was too dark
>>> for a photo, so it didn’t happen. Beautiful cloudless day and back by 2.
>>> What fantastic country this is to explore and play in!
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/**32311885@N07/sets/**72157637166639776
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Skipping only in high gears.

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - I had a similar problem once, mine was a cable tension problem
that was resolved with a slight turn of the rear derailer barrel adjuster.
I am not sure if that is what you meant when wrote that you did a fine
adjustment with the gear shifter. Bob


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> I’m not positive (due to bludgeoned brain, not great memory), but I
> believe I experienced this issue when the Hunqapillar was new and I just
> chalked it up to figuring out the friction shifting. Sure enough, over
> time, the issue faded away, so matched my slow learning curve. Now I wonder
> if it went away because of chain stretch. Anyway, here’s what I’m
> experiencing now (with a reminder of recent history)…
>
> New chain and granny chain ring after a very stretched out chain.
>
> The lower half of the granny gears (I don’t ride the upper half) and lower
> 1/3-1/2 of the middle chain ring are smooth as butter. Easy to hit the
> gears and no skipping.
>
> Upper 1/2-2/3rds of the middle chain ring (and likely the top two gears of
> the big chain ring, but I rarely ride that and haven’t since chain
> replacement) skips when pedaling. It’s not on the edge between gears (I can
> back pedal smoothly). My foot just suddenly spins fast, than catches again
> (not good for vertigo).
>
> I have tried: 1) fine adjustment with gear shifter, no difference; 2)
> tightening the shifter hand nut, no difference.
>
> Ideas: 1) bent derailleur?; 2) rear cassette needs replacement (this
> doesn’t make sense to me since it is only the higher gears and it’s the
> lower gears that get the most use and torque); 3) ???
>
> Any ideas?
>
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> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Skipping only in high gears.

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - in my case I had been over zealous in snugging up a new cable. I
backed off the tension just a bit and all was well.


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Thanks, Bob. I have not tried that, so I will.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 6:42:28 AM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Patrick - I had a similar problem once, mine was a cable tension problem
>> that was resolved with a slight turn of the rear derailer barrel adjuster.
>> I am not sure if that is what you meant when wrote that you did a fine
>> adjustment with the gear shifter. Bob
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 7:30 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m not positive (due to bludgeoned brain, not great memory), but I
>>> believe I experienced this issue when the Hunqapillar was new and I just
>>> chalked it up to figuring out the friction shifting. Sure enough, over
>>> time, the issue faded away, so matched my slow learning curve. Now I wonder
>>> if it went away because of chain stretch. Anyway, here’s what I’m
>>> experiencing now (with a reminder of recent history)…
>>>
>>> New chain and granny chain ring after a very stretched out chain.
>>>
>>> The lower half of the granny gears (I don’t ride the upper half) and
>>> lower 1/3-1/2 of the middle chain ring are smooth as butter. Easy to hit
>>> the gears and no skipping.
>>>
>>> Upper 1/2-2/3rds of the middle chain ring (and likely the top two gears
>>> of the big chain ring, but I rarely ride that and haven’t since chain
>>> replacement) skips when pedaling. It’s not on the edge between gears (I can
>>> back pedal smoothly). My foot just suddenly spins fast, than catches again
>>> (not good for vertigo).
>>>
>>> I have tried: 1) fine adjustment with gear shifter, no difference; 2)
>>> tightening the shifter hand nut, no difference.
>>>
>>> Ideas: 1) bent derailleur?; 2) rear cassette needs replacement (this
>>> doesn’t make sense to me since it is only the higher gears and it’s the
>>> lower gears that get the most use and torque); 3) ???
>>>
>>> Any ideas?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Catalogue

[Robert Barr]

As Eric noted the Indianapolis shipment arrived on Saturday. My wife and
daughters are pleased that my first words when arriving home are no longer
"hello my loves - did the mail come?". It is a wonderful catalog and well
worth the wait.


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:46 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> You've raised him well!
>
> On 11/11/13, EGNolan  wrote:
> > Mine finally came Saturday 11/9. My 5 yr old son grabbed the mail and ran
> > in yelling "A Rivendell Reader, dad, a new Rivendell Reader." His
> > excitement was justified, it's a beautiful catalog(ue).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Skipping only in high gears.

[Robert Barr]

Glad to read all is well.


On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Thanks, Doug. My large rear cog is 32, the largest I could get at the time
> on an 8-speed.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, November 11, 2013 3:32:10 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Worth keeping mind.  When you get to a 34 or 36 large cog, often the B
>> screw has to get cranked down pretty far, and you use all of the chain.  So
>> if you're on say the middle ring & smaller cogs, the chain kind be
>> kind'o'loose-ish.  If that's the case, it makes sense to use the big ring
>> and a cog 2-3 cogs larger to get the same "gear" but have more tension on
>> the chain.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 10:37:37 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> To B screwed or not B screwed? That is the question. Grin. Thanks!
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 11, 2013 11:17:03 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:

 If I understand correctly, it's giving you issues as you get down to
 the smaller cogs in the back? If so, this could be your B tension screw on
 the derailleur. Sometimes it gets run in to aid with the larger cogs but is
 a fine balance that can also reduce the chain wrap on the little ones. The
 problem is certainly amplified with a stretched chain.

 Sounds like you hit a nail and it's running well now, but if it acts up
 again check the B screw.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pikes Peak Day Ride

[Robert Barr]

And everyday is a wonder!



On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Yeah, I didn't buy enough organic pipe tobaccie to keep them in business,
> so it's organic cigars for me now. You are right, contentment is the
> perfect word for a smoke in a remote and quiet and sunny mountain meadow
> with a view. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:07:57 PM UTC-7, WETH wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful photos.  You look particularly content enjoying the cigar.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Flash Ride of Colorado Trail Report

[Robert Barr]

Looks like a good day for all!


On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 9:51 PM, qwerty  wrote:

> Enjoyed a fantastic ride and weather (for Nov @ 9,000' elev).  Best of
> all, I was able to connect with Patrick and get a chance to become a
> bit more acquainted.  I can confirm that yes, Patrick does indeed ride
> shoeless, in late fall, on single track.  It was quite amusing to see
> the expressions on the faces of riders we passed when they saw us
> coming.  Old guys, on old-looking bikes, and one with no shoes!
>
> Proof it happened here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/55639583@N04/sets/72157637742890025/
>
> Thanks Patrick, 'twas a most pleasurable day.  Looking forward to more!
>
> Mike
>
> On 11/16/13, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
> > Here's Mike on the trail...
> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157637744664614/
> >
> > With abandon,
> > Patrick
> >
> > On Saturday, November 16, 2013 6:07:36 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
> >>
> >> Mike met me at Little Scraggy parking lot outside of Buffalo Creek about
> >> 9am this morning and we had a wondrous 4 hours of riding and leisurely
> >> hour
> >> lunch on a warmish day for mid-November in Colorado. It started off in
> the
> >>
> >> 30’s and warmed to the 40’s. We heard the winds in the trees, but didn’t
> >> feel them until we entered the burn area on Shinglemill Trail.
> >>
> >> No idea of distance and I’m not sure if Mike had a computer. We rode the
> >> Colorado Trail over hill and dale, a few creeks, lots of roots and a few
> >> rock gardens. Eventually the rifles in the distance we getting too close
> >> for my brain, so we turned around and made a loop of it on the trails
> >> north
> >> of the CT. We dropped down to Buffalo Creek Road, a nice double track
> that
> >>
> >> follows the creek down, then turned up Shinglemill for a vigorous, fun,
> >> twisting smooth climb through the Buffalo Creek Fire burn area. No trees
> >> meant the 30-40 mph winds we’d been hearing had free access to us. I
> >> learned that winding single track, steep climbing, and strong gusting
> >> cross
> >> winds do not play nicely with vertigo. I limped along after that, making
> >> it
> >> back to the parking lot at 2pm.
> >>
> >> MIke was a joy to ride with and I look forward to the next time we get
> to
> >>
> >> ride. Thanks, Mike!
> >>
> >> With abandon,
> >> Patrick
> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Any Rivsters here commute more than 10 miles one-way? Cold weather tips?

[Robert Barr]

The synthetic vs natural fiber base layer argument makes the steel vs
carbon discussion look polite. It is not an area of compromise. Deacon and
I ride the same bike - I wear synthetic and he wears wool. We share the
same ancestral homeland and should share the same evolutionary drift - but
I itch if I get within 20 feet of the finest wool combed from young sheep
on the far side of the mountain. I have worn Patagonia capilene from its
inception and been consistently pleased with its performance. Good friends
wear the Patagonia wool line - but for us it is a don't ask and don't tell!
In addition to the itching I am by vocation and avocation frequently wet -
capilene works wonders when it is wet. I have new students try a t-shirt of
both fabrics and they quickly go one way or the other. Both products work
very well, just choose the one that feels best to you. Either one can keep
you warm and comfortable.



On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Not trapping sweat -- some synthetics are designed to wick it and, AFAIK,
> may do that better than wool. But wool insulates even when wet and perhaps
> that is the reason it doesn't feel clammy when you stop.
>
> Now stinking is another big problem in addition. I use synthetics only in
> summer (and not often then) but, even starting out clean as a baby, I am
> very anxious among other people (say, when running errands) about the stink
> that will inevitably arise after just an hour or so of sweating.
>
> I still wish someone made an all cotton cycling jersey -- I have one but
> it was made long ago. (Even cotton stinks more than wool, but not nearly as
> quickly and as bad as the synthetics I know of.)
>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Matthew J  wrote:
>
>> Thought the issue with synthetics was not so much trapping sweat but
>> trapping the stank of sweat even after washing?
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Re: [RBW] Re: The evolution of "sizing and fit"

[Robert Barr]

To the OP I would respond that the Patagonia line has shifted a bit. The
Snap T used to be a slightly technical piece of midlayer insulation. That
niche now belongs to the regulator fleece. If you look on the website you
will see "regular fit" casual wear, and "slim fit" technical wear. From
what you wrote you would prefer the slim fit.



On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 9:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> Now this is a rant with which I can definitely identify.  A month or so
> ago I went to a well known men's store to by a couple of pairs of dress
> slacks.  I wanted pleated and a size up from my "36" waist to accommodate
> my late-middle-aged beer gut.  Nothing available; not one pair.  Further,
> the "straight front" one's that I tried on fit so tightly that I had
> trouble even sticking one leg in, not mention zipping them up.  I asked the
> sales clerk what was up with all of this sizing and style BS.  He said that
> they've had quite a few complaints from customers about exactly the same
> thing recently, but that the fashion wizards have taken the clothing market
> back to the mid-60's - high water pants (at or above the ankle), seriously
> tapered, and straight front (picture the dress of the original Beatles band
> from that time period) and there's nothing they can do about it.  Well,
> that's fine, I suppose, except where's the market they're trying to attract?
>
> Further, I have found that the less expensive you buy, the smaller the
> fit-per-size becomes.  I bought some cheap T's from Kohl's this Summer to
> use for general work around the house and biking.  They fit so snug that I
> had to take 'em back and exchange for several sizes larger to get ones that
> were comfortable.
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 3:44:11 PM UTC-6, jinxed wrote:
>
>> A couple weeks back my trusty Patagonia Snap-T Synchilla that's been with
>> me since college mysteriously "disappeared" at a coffee shop. Needless to
>> say, I was mad to lose such a long owned and well used piece of clothing.
>>
>> Today, I go to check out what colors they come in now so I can make that
>> my one wish for the coming holiday season. Thankfully I find they still
>> make the Snap-T...BUT WTH happened to the cut and sizing?! When I pulled a
>> medium (same size I had) off the rack, I could not believe how HUGE it was!
>> I honestly assumed it was mislabeled. Then I looked at the small...it was a
>> bit smaller, but I realized it was the fit that had changed. It's like it
>> lost all shape and became a trash bag with holes in it. I realize baggy fit
>> was in for a while, but never really associated that with outdoor apparel.
>> So it seems I'll have to find an old one if I want the same thing. Ugh.
>>
>> This got me thinking about cycling specific clothing and how (or if) it's
>> changed. For the most part the lycra set has remained unchanged...tight and
>> stretchy is tight and stretchy. But my interest was with styles closer to
>> and specifically Rivendell type items. I noticed a couple of the new
>> clothing items have specifically undergone a "slimming" recently and
>> mentioned as requested. Not that I saw any of their clothes as baggy per
>> say, but more relaxed. I'm fairly normal 5'8" @ 145lbs so I tend to skirt
>> the small/medium in the MUSA range depending on cut. SO for me a slimmer
>> cut is fine and will most likely fit as intended. But then I know some of
>> the older wool jerseys were more traditionally form fitting. My medium
>> Seersucker fits a little loose in the body, but the collar and sleeves are
>> spot on. Same with the Railroad shirt. Interestingly I have a couple pair
>> of old MUSA shorts in size XL! that work fine on my 32 waist. Weird.
>>
>> I've been biking since about 88 and realized that aside from the lycra,
>> all my casual cycling gear has been purchased based on the same fit. Room
>> enough to move, but never baggy. That has worked no matter what type of
>> riding I'm doing.
>>
>> All that brought me to thinking about bike fit and sizing too. There has
>> been lots of discussion on the RBW vs. conventional types of fitting and
>> it's probably safe that if you're here you at least in part agree with the
>> former. But then it seems RBW fitting has evolved over time too. Looking at
>> the first All Rounder it was clearly not a bars above the saddle fit. The
>> head tubes got taller, then up sloping top tubes, and newly designed bars
>> to go even higher. I wonder if it will keep going up?
>>
>> Do you find yourself wishing that a certain era of "fit" had frozen in
>> time or do you tend to like the evolving nature of it? Like my Patagonia
>> fleece, I'm disappointed they changed it as it seemed like a perfect design
>> to ME. But then I'm very happy that the fatter tire revolution seems to be
>> gaining steam.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The intriguing dilemma of having to ride...

[Robert Barr]

Can you stay in the high country just enough to maintain your peace of mind?


On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> so get after it - you got no choice - where's that smilie?
>
>
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:35:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Fortunately, this one won’t make sense to most of you. That’s a good
>> thing. Pray it never really does.
>>
>> We learned that the construction on the flooded out bridge and dredging
>> of the late near our house will continue to Thanksgiving, so I have 8
>> business days in which I need to escape the sound from 8am-5pm brain and
>> weather permitting.
>>
>> I am blessed that today I get both a happy brain and good weather (sunny,
>> high in the 40’s on Pikes Peak). But it is an intriguing exercise on
>> attitude and countenance when one HAS to leave from home. I get to do what
>> I love doing, but HAVING to do it is something else entirely. Focus on the
>> gifts, rather than dwelling on the pain — I get to put that to use in a
>> whole other way!
>>
>> Then we’re trying to figure out January and February, when the parking
>> lot across the creek will be torn up and the flooded out drainage system
>> beneath replaced. Hm. Trying to figure out how to afford a two month
>> trip south (remote camping is the best option for me to avoid the noises
>> that blow up my brain).
>>
>> Two years ago, when I needed to escape town for noise (generally in the
>> summer for concerts at the park across the creek) I had no bike and did not
>> ride one. So the Hunqapillar has opened up amazing gift and opportunity
>> these past 18 months.
>>
>> Thanks for letting me vent!
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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Re: [RBW] Re: The intriguing dilemma of having to ride...

[Robert Barr]

I assumed that was what you were doing - sorry to read that it didn't work.
Hopefully you will find peace at home. Be well


On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Let me know, Michael. It'd be great to meet. I'll likely be close to home
> then, so the Pikes Peak region.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:39:23 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> Wow, talk about a gift horse.  Think of it like a son day, no school! But
>> I have to admit, as I age I get less and less motivated to ride in the
>> cold.  It's not so much the temperature but the wind and wet that
>> discourage me.
>>
>> Deacon, I'd lov to meet you at the Riv rally but I'm guessing neither of
>> us will make it.  I do plan to drive cross country next Spring, with a stop
>> in NM ( Spiritual Directors International Conference in Santa Fe) and my
>> son in the Bay area as the destination.  Maybe we could connect.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:47:26 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> That's what I attempted yesterday, Bob. It worked (as usual) until a
>>> bull elk came over a nearby ridge, suddenly snorted very loudly (triggering
>>> my adrenaline), hoofed the ground, and debated whether to charge or not
>>> (triggering more adrenaline -- can I make that tree if he charges?). He
>>> thankfully headed off into the woods. About 30 minutes after an adrenaline
>>> rush comes the adrenaline crash, which is greatly magnified by my brain
>>> injury. Very little brain energy and my body stops generating heat. This
>>> was the first time in years Mother Nature has triggered my adrenaline. It's
>>> a hard brain day as I recover today.
>>>
>>> The challenge is greater this time of year. I slowly made my way out
>>> through the 1-2" of snow on the trail, but it gets dangerous even at 40˚F
>>> when your body has stopped generating heat. It takes more adrenaline
>>> kicking in just to make it out, which then magnifies the crash and recovery
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Even more dark comedy, they did no work yesterday (but there is no
>>> mobile reception on the Peak, so I didn't know till my wife picked me up at
>>> the trail head). So the plan today is to wait and see if construction
>>> happens, then go to a friends cabin if needed (where a number of things are
>>> more challenging than home, but no construction), from which there is
>>> remote paved road riding, but that carries a lot of risks (namely big truck
>>> or motorcycle risk).
>>>
>>> I don't think I'll risk the remote single track again till spring, even
>>> when I get "good" brain days.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:29:13 PM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Can you stay in the high country just enough to maintain your peace of
>>>> mind?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> so get after it - you got no choice - where's that smilie?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:35:42 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fortunately, this one won’t make sense to most of you. That’s a good
>>>>>> thing. Pray it never really does.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We learned that the construction on the flooded out bridge and
>>>>>> dredging of the late near our house will continue to Thanksgiving, so I
>>>>>> have 8 business days in which I need to escape the sound from 8am-5pm 
>>>>>> brain
>>>>>> and weather permitting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am blessed that today I get both a happy brain and good weather
>>>>>> (sunny, high in the 40’s on Pikes Peak). But it is an intriguing exercise
>>>>>> on attitude and countenance when one HAS to leave from home. I get to do
>>>>>> what I love doing, but HAVING to do it is something else entirely. Focus 
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the gifts, rather than dwelling on the pain — I get to put that to use 
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> whole other way!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then we’re trying to figure out January and February, when the
>>>>>> parking lot across the creek will be 

Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar Roadish Touring to MTB Conversion

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, I have the wide/low 40X26 crank paired with 9sp 12-36t cassette.
While I haven't had the chance (yet) to ride it in the mountains, the setup
has been great. Bob



On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:36 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Thanks, everyone! Great help!
>
> Jeremy, I actually have my B68 in the middle, so I imagine I'll be fine
> with whatever saddle I use on my current setup?
>
> Jeremy and Philip and John (who wrote me off group), great gearing idea! I
> talked to my LBS and they can do the rock guard double conversion with a
> spacer to the BB which should open up the rear to a 2.25" tire. I'm liking
> that idea!
>
> Saddle: I was thinking the b17 select for the longer wear. The only issue
> I have so far with the B68 is getting back enough for steep descents, and I
> have no issue with the width at other times, so I want to go as wide as I
> can and still get back off the saddle as needed. I can almost do that with
> the B68, so I'm thinking the B17 should work well?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Extent of thread chasing necessary on new Riv frame

[Robert Barr]

That was my experience as well.  Some of the posts suggest everyone has not
been so fortunate, glad you were. My Hunqa has exceeded all my expectations
- enjoy! Bob
On Jul 9, 2016 3:52 PM, "Bob B"  wrote:

> I got my Hunq yesterday and, viola, I'm done building it as of this
> morning! (maybe I'll share pics in a thread later...)
>
> *UPDATE on the subject of this thread:* BB was clean and went in easy,
> everything installed w/o any chasing necessary. So the thread was a moot
> point, but I learned a few things, and hopefully thread-combers in the
> future will be able to use it!
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Re: [RBW] Low Trail Fork Experiment ... FYI only - Not intended to start another debate...

[Robert Barr]

René,

Your experiment is remarkable. As a scientist I admire your desire to
experiment and learn, It also prompts me to write my first ever response to
the Group. I have lurked in the background vicariously enjoying passionate
debates about front bags vs rear bags, clips vs open petals, light
responsive tires vs heavy stout "German" tires... you get the point. I
enjoy the discussions and the passion. I have learned a great deal. Your
involved experiment makes me ask why? The analogy is strained, but if I
wanted my Subaru to handle like a Porsche, I could try to modify my Subaru
to handle like a Porsche, or get a Porsche. In your first sentence you
mention my  two favorite (living) sources of bike wisdom. I admire and
respect both, as it seems you do. The Riv cachet is powerful, but it
doesn't suit all, nor does it try. At some point you might want to say "I
like Riv bikes, but prefer the handling of...". As for me, I prefer my
Subaru. Best of luck in your search.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:37 PM, René Sterental  wrote:

> Disclaimer:
>
> This is a very long post and I want to start by stating that I don't mean
> to start another heated debate on high vs. low trail fork, or Jan vs. Grant
> philosophies, etc. I just want to describe this experiment and its initial
> results to the group so anyone thinking along the same lines has another
> point of reference. I'll gladly answer any questions that are posted,
> either privately or publicly but let's handle it as the controversial topic
> it usually is. Also worth noting is that this is a modification I chose to
> do on my own to my bikes and while Rivendell certainly supports the
> exchange of information and knowledge about bikes, they certainly stand
> proudly by their bikes and their design philosophy. This post is in no way
> an attempt to challenge that. They are aware of my experiment.
>
> Ok, here I go...
>
> For a number of reasons that I can just summarize, in no particular order,
> as the tendency of my Rivendell bikes to shimmy with any loads (especially
> my Atlantis), my dislike for how they handle with any front loads
> and especially heavier ones, as well as with heavy rear loads, all of which
> magnify the tendency of the front steering to pull  and require
> overcorrection when turning, as well as the interesting and very educating
> online discussions and articles on bike geometry and fork geometry and its
> effects on the handling characteristics of a bike, I decided to try it to
> see for myself what the whole low trail geometry claims were about.
>  I wasn't able or willing to go buy a new bike just to experiment, and
> even if I did, there would be no way I could tell what the low trail fork
> would do to the handling of my Rivendell bikes which, aside from the
> nuances/issues stated above, I love. And yes, while I could
> certainly adjust to all of these quirks, I just didn't like having them on
> my bikes. The obvious solution recommended by some people on this group in
> addition to several articles online pointed me to Tom Matchak in the East
> Coast who had already built low trail forks for other Rivendell bikes. Tom
> seemed to have a great reputation as a builder and immediately knew what
> this was all about when I contacted him. Due to the long lead time to have
> the low trail fork built for my Atlantis as was my original intention plus
> a few additional considerations that came up as part of this process, like
> the need to have the Atlantis repainted and why not, the Hunqapillar as
> well (never did like that gray color much), I decided to take the risk of
> ordering two low trail forks for both the Atlantis and the Hunqapillar as
> these are the bikes I mainly ride loaded.
>
> I asked Jan Heine for his low trail recommendation as well as Tom Matchak
> and they both came out with the same number: 40mm of trail, which requires
> a rake of 70mm for 40/50 mm tires. On the Hunqapillar, the same 70mm rake
> comes out to 42mm of trail. For comparison, the standard Rivendell fork for
> the Atlantis has 45mm rake/65mm trail and the standard Hunqapillar fork has
> 50mm rake/63mm trail. I had to send several detailed measurements to Tom
> Matchak so he could preserve the crown race to axle distances on both
> bikes. He also specked cable guides for my dynamo lights as well as fender
> attachments so I no longer need to fiddle with the darumas to mount the
> front fenders and can screw in the fender directly to the underside of the
> crown. Additionally, the fork for the Hunqapillar was spec'd with a Pacenti
> MTB bi-plate crown to run the 50mm tires with 60 mm fenders and the fork
> for the Altantis with a Long Shen A16 crown to be used with 40mm tires and
> 50 mm fenders. Regretfully but understandably so, I got a negative response
> to my inquire at RBW on whether I could buy a pair of Rivendell crowns for
> this project, so while none of these crowns is as beautiful as the original
> Riv crowns, they're sort of Rivish, especially 

Re: [RBW] Rayon for Riding?

[Robert Barr]

Patrick,

My experience is that hot weather clothing is even more personal than cold
weather gear. I have ridden in rayon Aloha shirts, but in Indiana, when it
gets really hot and humid I have to have my puckerwear shirts (Patagonia's
seersucker). It is important to note that your high humidity would normally
be pleasantly low around here.

Bob

On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Robert F. Harrison wrote:

> I often wear Aloha shirts (as we call them here) while riding. I also live
> in Hawaii which makes it somewhat less conspicuous. They are bright, loose
> fitting, dry quickly after a rain shower and pretty much perfect for any
> occasion in the islands (weddings, funerals, parties, you name it). Indeed,
> with a comfortable pair of shorts, sandals, and a decent Aloha shirt you
> are both ready to ride and well dressed. I have to wear long pants at work,
> though that's about the extent of my dress code. I'll wear an Aloha shirt
> and convertible pants. When I get to work, I zip on the leggings... *
> voilà!*
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Leslie  wrote:
>
>> There's a reason why rayon became the fabric-of-choice for Hawaiian
>> shirts... :)
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Re: [RBW] Rayon for Riding?

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, no rain in central Indiana, but it was a delightful 78 degrees,
with 69% humidity on my morning commute. It was a seersucker (not that it
helped much) morning. Bob

On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, PATRICK MOORE  wrote:

> Interesting: I did not know that wood fiber fabric was so good. My
> rayons have been picked up by chance from the GW shirt rack (along
> with silks and very nice cottons) -- haven't been to GW in quite a
> while; must cruise the aisles to see if there are any rayons
> available.
>
> During my morning meditations today I was perusing an old Nat Geo that
> had a blurb about bamboo and its growing use for cloth fiber --
> interesting.
>
> We are suffering cruel, I say cruel, humidity, topping 40% in the
> morning coolth and still excessive in the 30s during the warmth of the
> day: monsoon (all 9" of it!) season, doncha know.
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Re: [RBW] Re: King Grip Pedals

[Robert Barr]

I am surprised to read about the clicking. I conservatively have 3000 miles
on one pair of GKs, and somewhere under 1000 miles on a second pair. Never
a click and they spin effortlessly. Most comfortable and functional pedals
I have used.

On Wed, Jul 18, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Rex Kerr  wrote:

> Well documented clicking?  On my ride home yesterday (after writing the
> original post in this thread) I started hearing a clicking.  Wasn't sure if
> it was my seatpost/saddle interface (since I'd recently moved the saddle)
> or the pedal, but was fairly sure it was the pedal.  Ugh... < 20 miles to
> clicking.
>
> Are they loose bearings?  How hard was it to remove the spindle?
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Shifty <1upand1d...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Also, I repacked mine after about 500 miles upon acquiring the well
>> documented MKS clicking. On removal, sure enough there's a mere dab of
>> factory lubrication so I drown the tiny little bearings in Rock 'n Roll
>> Super Web grease. Now they spin like a pedal worth 5 times the price.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rivendell in Cycling Illustrated

[Robert Barr]

Scot - very nice, congratulations on the column. I look forward to seeing
your column evolve.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 11:12 PM, Forrest  wrote:

> Nice column and photo, Scot!
>
>
> On Monday, July 23, 2012 2:51:52 PM UTC-5, Scot Brooks wrote:
>>
>> So I've managed to infiltrate the world of Cycling Illustrated as a
>> weekly columnist, and my post this week even has a photo of me with my Sam.
>> I've got a long way to go with my writing, but I think it's cool of them to
>> let a non-racing guy like myself have a voice on the site. The article
>> isn't a work of art, but they'll get better. I feel compelled to make
>> excuses for it, which I think is natural. Have a read if you like, and be
>> gentle. http://cyclingillustrated.com/**whats-a-bicycle-for-by-scot-**
>> hinckley-danielson/#more-5784
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Re: [RBW] Image Request: Boscoe Bars from Above

[Robert Barr]

Rob,

I have Alba bars on my MB-3 and they are perfect for me. I was tempted by
the appearance of the bullmoose and  Bosco bars, but just for a moment. If
I were setting the bike up now I would probably get the Boscos, but I think
we are talking degrees of design perfection. If no overhead of the Boscos
appears I can send you a picture of the Albas on an MB-3.

Bob


On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:26 PM, Rob  wrote:

> Does anyone have a pic of the bullmoose (or any) Bosco Bars from above,
> looking directly down at 'em? Not from the cockpit, but as if you were
> standing on a ladder directly overhead?
>
> I'd like to see how far back behind the quill the ends of the bars fall,
> and get a better idea of the angle. Thinking about a Bosco as a bar for my
> '91 MB-3, which'll still be a mountain-ish bike.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Rob in Seattle
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant on Brian Lehrer

[Robert Barr]

No way am I going to enter the helmet wars. I do want to say that one of
the reasons that I follow this group is that its most
regular contributors are collegial. Civil discourse is rare these days and
it is good to read your collective thoughtful opinions. Today's Yehuda Moon
is remarkably appropriate. Rick must be out there...

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Mike  wrote:

> With broken collarbones it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of
> when...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dave Eggers reviews Just Ride

[Robert Barr]

The Eggers review was timely. I am still suffering a stitch in my side from
encountering an apparition in turquoise blue coming at me on a bike lane in
a normally quiet residential neighborhood yesterday. I had just come off
the tow path and was on my way home when I saw it coming at me. It had been
a wonderful ride home. It was quiet. It was hot, but seersucker, shorts,
and sandals, made it comfortable. And then he appeared. The matching
ensemble was nice - but the slick, aero (I presume) shoe covers in
perfectly coordinated blue... almost made me run into the curb. I wonder if
they make those things for Chacos...

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 3:25 PM, David Spranger wrote:

> Online now:
>
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/books/review/just-ride-by-grant-petersen.html?_r=1
>
> David Spranger
> Charlotte, NC
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:52:02 AM UTC-4, Mike wrote:
>>
>> Is the review posted online? I didn't notice it when I skimmed that
>> section this past weekend and can't find it on the NY Times website. I did
>> see the review of the new book by Eggers and was thinking about 826
>> Valencia and how there's something about it and Eggers reminds me of RBWHQ
>> and Grant.
>>
>> I did come across this letter to the editor by Grant from 2004.
>>
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2004/**07/13/science/l-enjoying-the-**
>> ride-289752.html
>>
>> --mike
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Re: [RBW] Nice ride

[Robert Barr]

I do my best... We are fortunate in Indianapolis to have a rapidly
expanding network of multi-use Greenways. The picture is from the canal
towpath, one of my favorite commute routes. The sights change with the
seasons. In midsummer I ride in past floating turtles and fishing herons. I
get up a bit early to make sure I can go down the path at the speed I want
to travel. The ride home is always therapeutic.


On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Tim McNamara  wrote:

>
> On Aug 1, 2012, at 9:06 PM, Robert Barr wrote:
>
> > Thomas, we must have been following the same morning star. It was a good
> morning commute in Indianapolis as well. The light was amazing. My attached
> picture does not do it justice, but I tried. You can, however,  clearly see
> that I have a grueling morning commute. Bob
>
> That is truly horrible, I have no idea how you can stand that day after
> day!  :-D
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Robert Barr]

Tom - thank you


On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 7:53 AM, ascpgh  wrote:

> Awesome. You never realize the magnitude of power you can unleash in
> simple kindness.
>
> One locally from this year: A Bike for 
> Michael
>
> Andy Cheatham
> PIttsburgh
>
>
> On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:26:32 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
>> Redemption
>>
>> With best regards
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross bar and stem length?

[Robert Barr]

I agree with Jay. I have his old 10 and it fits me well. But I think it all
depends on the initial sizing  - did you go big Riv or smaller?


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> I had that setup on an AHH that was already a bit big on me (read: longish
> toptube). I ended up selling cockpit and frame (separately) so never
> made the swap, but I would have purchased a 13 stem to replace the 10. My
> experience with Albas is that the sweep-back is significant.
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
>
> On Monday, December 30, 2013 6:09:27 AM UTC-8, blakcloud wrote:
>
>> I am not happy with the Albatross bar and the 10 cm stem that I have on
>> the Sam now. I feel a little cramped in the cockpit and so a longer stem is
>> needed/wanted. Some where on the Riv site I remembered reading to get a
>> longer stem with this bar setup, but how much longer? The choices are 11,
>> 12 and 13 cm stems.
>>
>> My inclination is to get a 12 cm. What are other people using, what would
>> you suggest?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albas & Thumbies setup

[Robert Barr]

"That's the same Tennyson poem you quoted the last time... " it is lines
like this that make this the only forum/blog I regularly read. Forgive me
for going OT, but the cast of characters on this list always makes me
smile. It is the most civilized, whilst opinionated and curmudgeonly forum
I can imagine. A lot of ourselves is exposed in these notes, but it is
almost always carefully handled. This could be an essay but I don't want it
to be. I did want to say that I have enjoyed another year with you - and I
am grateful for that, Be well all, time is always short, and time with
friends, family, and a bike is precious. Bob


On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 9:44 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>  On 01/02/2014 09:32 PM, Joan Oppel wrote:
>
>  I just HAVE to chime in:  I have a reverse pull Shimano derailleur on my
> Bleriot BUT a standard pull Shimano derailleur on my Bike Friday.  I switch
> between them by (literally) talking to myself about the change when I get
> on the bike.  And I don't make wrong shifts on either bike.
>
>  On the other hand, when I ride the Bleriot for a few rides and then
> switch to my bike with brifters, I do reach for the bar end shifters
> instead of the brifters, even with my hands on the hoods.
>
>  So - TAKE THAT  :)
> Joan
>
>  (This has been explained to SP previously)
>
>
>
> It could be that the Bleriot and the Friday are so dramatically different
> in feel and appearance that context keeps the shifting direction separate
> and appropriate to the bike in question.
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Re: [RBW] Re: The why post? You decide.

[Robert Barr]

Bosco Bars, mindfulness, Bhagavad Gita, St Ignatius, and a touching
reminder of why it all matters. Thank you Hugh.



On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Eunice Chang  wrote:

> Thanks for your words, Hugh. There is no easy way to deal with this, but
> doing what you love always seems to be the right thing to do.
>
> If Seth was in heaven, I suspect it'd look like this:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/7091026041/
>
> -Eunice
>
> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:35:13 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> Sort of off topic...not so much about specific Rivendell bikes, parts or
>> RBW HQ doings but there were two Hilsen's involved isn't that enough?
>>
>> So read a rambling report about a recent ramble 
>> here
>> .
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>
>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
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Re: [RBW] Re: The why post? You decide.

[Robert Barr]

Patrick, when Chris wrote about living in the moment and looking with clear
eyes and an open heart, he was describing a fundamental aspect of Buddhism
that is often referred to as mindfulness. The hope is to be aware of what
is going on within us and all around us; conscious of presence, thoughts
and actions. The act of breathing is often used to focus our mind, and  I
think we could have an interesting conversation about how riding a bike can
clear and focus your mind as well.



On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Mindfull ... what?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:43:08 AM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Bosco Bars, mindfulness, Bhagavad Gita, St Ignatius, and a touching
>> reminder of why it all matters. Thank you Hugh.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Eunice Chang  wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for your words, Hugh. There is no easy way to deal with this, but
>>> doing what you love always seems to be the right thing to do.
>>>
>>> If Seth was in heaven, I suspect it'd look like this:
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/7091026041/
>>>
>>> -Eunice
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:35:13 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Sort of off topic...not so much about specific Rivendell bikes, parts
>>>> or RBW HQ doings but there were two Hilsen's involved isn't that enough?
>>>>
>>>> So read a rambling report about a recent ramble 
>>>> here<http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>> ~Hugh
>>>>
>>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>>
>>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The why post? You decide.

[Robert Barr]

Or as my daughters have been known to ask me "is this one of those things
we have to think about?" I thought there might be a grin there!



On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Absolutely, Robert. I should have put a "Grin." after my "Mindfull ...
> what?" as that is a joke I give my kids a hard time with quite often. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:18:01 PM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Patrick, when Chris wrote about living in the moment and looking with
>> clear eyes and an open heart, he was describing a fundamental aspect of
>> Buddhism that is often referred to as mindfulness. The hope is to be aware
>> of what is going on within us and all around us; conscious of presence,
>> thoughts and actions. The act of breathing is often used to focus our mind,
>> and  I think we could have an interesting conversation about how riding a
>> bike can clear and focus your mind as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>
>>> Mindfull ... what?
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 25, 2014 9:43:08 AM UTC-7, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bosco Bars, mindfulness, Bhagavad Gita, St Ignatius, and a touching
>>>> reminder of why it all matters. Thank you Hugh.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Eunice Chang wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your words, Hugh. There is no easy way to deal with this,
>>>>> but doing what you love always seems to be the right thing to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> If Seth was in heaven, I suspect it'd look like this:
>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/7091026041/
>>>>>
>>>>> -Eunice
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, January 21, 2014 6:35:13 PM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sort of off topic...not so much about specific Rivendell bikes, parts
>>>>>> or RBW HQ doings but there were two Hilsen's involved isn't that enough?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So read a rambling report about a recent ramble 
>>>>>> here<http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~Hugh
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
>>>>>> moving." -- Albert Einstein
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://velocipedemusings.blogspot.com/
>>>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for my first Rivendell

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - I think the Hunq is very light feeling and agile. I was amazed
when I first pulled mine out the box, my analogy will seem odd - but it
looked like a strung bow. A friend that regularly rides a Quickbeam was
amazed by the feel and ride of the bike. I am a commuter, and I agonized
over whether to get an Atlantis, a Bomba, a Hunqa, or a Sam. For where I
ride I think the Hunqa was the best choice for me - but I don't think there
was a wrong choice. Variations on a theme if you will. As Deacon Patrick
wrote, the folks at Riv are a marvel at guiding one to a good choice. Bob
(Indianapolis)


On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Interesting. Is this the impression others have of the two bikes?
>
> The consensus seems to be that the Hunq is exceptionally light feeling and
> agile for a bike that takes 60 mm tires.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 12:09 PM, Jim  wrote:
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>>  In the past I test rode an Atlantis but the Atlantis did not feel as
>> lively and agile as the Hun
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - In your note you wrote " meet your esthetic standards...".  I
like the look of the Sugino guard, and have two bikes with them, and am
ready to order a third. I don't care for the look of the bbgbashguard
products (or most other guards), and will stay with the Sugino despite the
price difference. I don't know if that makes me loyal or stupid - I have
been called both, but I do like the look of the smooth polished Sugino. All
the best wishes for your mother, I was fortunate to be able to care for
mine for the last four years. It is a remarkable journey. Best,  Bob
(Indianapolis).


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Jim: The idea is to use a 110/74 triple, toss the outer ring, install a
> bash guard in its place, and use the middle and inside rings, which you can
> get as small as 34/24.
>
> Riv's guard is $40 with shipping. bbgbashguard has the 42 tooth size (what
> I use to cover the 38 t "big" ring) for $20 shipped, and it looks better.
>
> I support Riv, but when there are better alternatives offered for much
> less, it would be stupid not to be disloyal.
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim 
> wrote:
>
>> Simple bashtype guard:
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm
>>
>> Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think
>> couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.
>>
>> - J / cyclofiend.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Un-racer compact crankset question.

[Robert Barr]

I suspect there are a number of places to buy the Sugino guard - I would
buy it here: https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm.


On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 11:01 PM, Jim Bronson  wrote:

> Where does one purchase the Sugino guard?
> On Aug 16, 2014 9:52 PM, "Robert Barr"  wrote:
>
>> Patrick - In your note you wrote " meet your esthetic standards...".  I
>> like the look of the Sugino guard, and have two bikes with them, and am
>> ready to order a third. I don't care for the look of the bbgbashguard
>> products (or most other guards), and will stay with the Sugino despite the
>> price difference. I don't know if that makes me loyal or stupid - I have
>> been called both, but I do like the look of the smooth polished Sugino. All
>> the best wishes for your mother, I was fortunate to be able to care for
>> mine for the last four years. It is a remarkable journey. Best,  Bob
>> (Indianapolis).
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Patrick Moore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim: The idea is to use a 110/74 triple, toss the outer ring, install a
>>> bash guard in its place, and use the middle and inside rings, which you can
>>> get as small as 34/24.
>>>
>>> Riv's guard is $40 with shipping. bbgbashguard has the 42 tooth size
>>> (what I use to cover the 38 t "big" ring) for $20 shipped, and it looks
>>> better.
>>>
>>> I support Riv, but when there are better alternatives offered for much
>>> less, it would be stupid not to be disloyal.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 16, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Cyclofiend Jim <
>>> cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Simple bashtype guard:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/product-p/chrg.htm
>>>>
>>>> Also, I've been running the XD2 without the small ring, but I think
>>>> couldn't get down below a 34T inner ring for the 110 circle.
>>>>
>>>> - J / cyclofiend.com
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rise of the Halo Bicycle

[Robert Barr]

And then there are these "most beautiful" bikes:
http://www.bbc.com/autos/story/20140821-the-10-most-beautiful-bicycles?ocid=global_bbccom_email_22082014_autos


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> Don't worry, McLaren is steel reeling over the Porsche 917
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 6:49:25 PM UTC-5, Kyle Brooks wrote:
>>
>> Hi all -- I've heard and used the "halo bike" term before, and wrote a
>> bit about those hyper expensive bikes in The Retrogrouch Blog.
>>
>> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2013/11/that-bike-cost-how-much.html
>> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/04/what-for-money.html
>>
>> and this last one that got somebody at Specialized a little irked with me:
>> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2014/07/for-top-1-of-top-1.html
>>
>> I agree that, to some, a Rivendell might seem hyper expensive -- but it's
>> a fraction of the price of some of these popped-out-of-a-mold carbon fiber
>> wonders.
>>
>> Kyle Brooks
>> Akron, OH
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 20, 2014 2:15:50 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  That’s a term I’d not heard before – “Halo Bicycle”.  Used to describe
>>> a five figure priced bike.  There’s a very long story in the Personal
>>> Journal section of the Wall Street Journal today, here:
>>> http://online.wsj.com/articles/rise-of-the-five-
>>> figure-bicycle-1408489679?tesla=y&mg=reno64-wsj&url=
>>> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020461680458010
>>> 1753472999156.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lengthy and breathless exhaltation of carbon (Light!  Durable!
>>> Vibration-dampening!  Expensive!) with, predictably, no discussion of
>>> potential downsides, and a complete absence of cost/benefit analysis –
>>> except that which is implicit in the article’s report that the 2014 Trek
>>> Madone 7.9 is 11% lighter than it was in 2005, but more than twice as
>>> expensive.  So to shave 1.8 pounds off the weight of the bike (2005 Madone,
>>> 15.7 pounds, today’s Madone 13.9 pounds (!)), it only costs an additional
>>> $6,145 (2005 price, $5,400, today’s bike $11,550).  Sheesh.  The only voice
>>> of reason (well, at least according to my lights) regarding the bike weight
>>> arms race in the entire article was a single paragraph quoting Dave
>>> Moulton, as follows:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> “Not everyone thinks it is worthwhile spending so much for a bicycle.
>>> Dave Moulton, of Summerville, S.C., built and sold bicycles for three
>>> decades before retiring in the early 1990s.  He says high-price carbon
>>> fiber bikes built by major manufacturers exist for ‘snob value’ and
>>> so-called ‘weight-weenies’ who obsess over superlight bicycles.  A few
>>> ounces make no difference  to an amateur, Mr. Moulton says.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This puts the recent Riv bike weight thread in perspective!
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ring the Peak Birthday Ride

[Robert Barr]

Happy birthday Patrick!
On May 10, 2014 6:32 PM, "DS"  wrote:

> Nice light and great add to the setup. Happy Birthday!
>
> On Thursday, May 8, 2014 2:19:56 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Headed out at 4am this morning sporting my new birthday light (B+M Ixon
>> IQ). Roads are wondrously quiet then! And thanks to the new light,
>> brilliantly illuminated as well. Plus, battery powered, so it works when in
>> LCG up 25% slopes. Grin.
>>
>> The trails are now clear of snow, (my birthday tends to be a good marker
>> of this around here), so this was my first serious trail ride of the year
>> (7.5 hours of riding). Highlights:
>>
>> — Bigfoot sports a mullet
>> — I rode higher gearing than I’ve ever ridden on these trails, though
>> lower than I’ll have on my QB. I think these are too rocky and technical
>> for the QB anyway, but it’s good to find out where I am in comparison.
>> — Forest thinning equipment is LOUD and carries a LONG way. Thankful for
>> earplugs. So much for remote solitude.
>> — Long rides feel god.
>> — Birthday rides increase appreciation for the bike I have and the bike
>> that’s coming.
>> — Birthday rides are a wondrous time for reflection on the abundance of
>> life and love I’ve been blessed with so far and looking forward to another
>> year of wild adventure.
>> — Backroad connectors are brilliant ways to avoid congestion and brain
>> implosion on the highway, making rides like this possible (wife needn’t
>> drive me to the trailhead!).
>> — Amazing homecomings are a great way to end a ride. Lassies (who weren’t
>> up when I left) burst out the house and engulfed me upon my arrival.
>>
>> Pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/
>> 72157644582864445/
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
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>> *www.OurHolyConception.org *
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Owner Qualifications

[Robert Barr]

Interesting, I read Grant as saying " this works for me - if it helps you
use it, but find your own path".


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:25 PM, Cecily Walker 
wrote:

>
>
> On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 7:03:38 AM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> yep, grant is the leader and we're all just followers.
>>
>
> *b*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Overheard at a bike shop

[Robert Barr]

In Indianapolis it seems more like 20s on Surly and 50+ on Madone or
Cervelo.



On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 1:33 PM, redsydude  wrote:

> When I was stationed at Hill AFB, Utah in the 1980s all my friends were
> skiers so I randomly walked into a sporting goods store and, with the help
> of a salesperson, bought some skies, boots and bindings. I skied for a
> few years and progressed from the bunny hills to steeper slopes and was
> never in any way limited by that equipment choice. (My technician at the
> time grew up in the Ogden Valley.  One day we were shooting the breeze
> and he said that he skied his whole life but didn’t anymore and when I
> asked him why he said; “because the ski slopes are full of guys like you
> who don’t know what they’re doing”.)  I imagine that if I had stayed
> there and continued to improve I would have replaced those skies with
> something into which I put much more thought. Last week I was in REI with
> my wife and while she shopped I took a look at the bikes.  I was thinking
> that if I was in my 20s now, I would probably buy one of these light,
> skinny tire bikes with the strangely shaped tubes and, like those skis, it
> would work fine until I figured out enough about bike riding to
> thoughtfully replace it.
>
>
> On Monday, June 30, 2014 6:45:31 PM UTC-7, Mathew Greiner wrote:
>>
>> You know, the whole should we or shouldn't we intervene discussion has
>> been fascinating, but it misses the point somehow. By being together in the
>> same LBS, we are participating--along with the sales staff and the shop and
>> any potential customers--in a shared experience of bicycling interest.
>> There's a question of one's attitude, of course, but it's easy to strike a
>> rapport with others in these situations. Friendly chitchat is only friendly
>> chitchat, but it could quickly emphasize the aspects of what a buyer
>> actually wants and needs, vs. whatever glitzy business is being dangled.
>> "Hey now, that IS nice. Would it fit 40mm tires, do you think? Those really
>> smooth out the ride for me. I ride more when I'm comfortable." Loyal
>> customers are customers that feel like they've been heard and dealt with as
>> individuals.
>> My parents recently joined Costco. On their first trip, they were
>> examining some product, clearly challenged by the choices, and another
>> customer walked past them saying that Brand X was the best after she'd
>> tried three others. It was the best, hands down. She said. Similar things
>> happened with repeat visits, and then they noticed themselves offering
>> their own opinions. Other than apparently being able to eat lunch for free
>> by circling the samples, I think this culture of recommendation is their
>> favorite part about the store.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sign I need 1/8 Chain vs. 8-speed?

[Robert Barr]

That foot looks well used even before the incident.



On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:40 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Patrick, I'm so glad it wasn't worse on your toe!!!  Perhaps your toe and
> my finger should chat!  -RCW
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Re: [RBW] Re: Coincidentia Oppositorum; NYT Tour photo-retrospective.

[Robert Barr]

Patrick - I can't speak to the motorcycle rider, but thanks for posting the
link to the pictures - I enjoyed them. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 7:36 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Hair? What is this strange thing of which you speak? Besides, how would
> riding in a convertible dishevel a beard?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, July 25, 2014 5:18:14 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>> On 07/25/2014 06:40 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > As to the coincidence of opposites, it cracks me up every time I see a
>> > roadster convertible on a day with funner weather than 80˚F and sunny
>> > and their top is up. What's up with that? When I drove a convertible
>> > roadster (pre-brain injury) my top was down year round. It was
>> > awesome, and often a bit nippy. Grin.
>>
>> Maybe they don't want to ruffle their hair-do's.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hupe or Fender for saddlebag support (if it rides too low)?

[Robert Barr]

Keith,

I bought a Wire Guard for the same reason you list. There was the potential
for some cable rub on the small Saddlesack that I use on my Hunq. A top
rack seemed overkill, and the Hupe didn't look like it would fit a small
Saddlesack.  I have only used the wire guard for 3 days, but I think it was
the right choice. I don't see it rubbing the frame, whereas from the
pictures I have seen it is easy to imagine the Hupe rubbing.

Bob (Indianapolis)


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>
> On Friday, March 15, 2013 10:18:30 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> A comment and a question for those with experience:
>>
>> I'll reiterate the praise for the Bagman support, if you're looking for a
>> horizontal support like the Hupe gave.  I love mine, though  I 've never
>> tried the Hupe to compare it against.  On the other hand, the key
>> disadvantage (or *benefit*, depending on how you look at it) of both
>> racks is that they'll rotate your bag backward and to a more vertical
>> orientation.
>>
>
>
>> But for a current situation in which I want a more minimalist setup and
>> want a Carradice bag to hang in the intended position (with the flap and
>> reflector facing rearwards), I was just about to purchase a *Wire Guard.*
>> I'm kind of surprised to see so many comments about the Hupe scratching the
>> stays, though.  Should I expect the same thing from the Wire Guard?  (I
>> don't have the fender clearance issues that the OP does - just cable
>> interference/rub)
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Re: [RBW] Optimal clearance for metal fenders...

[Robert Barr]

Rene,

I struggled with the fenders on my Hunqapillar. My thoughtful wife bought
me some hammered VOs as a gift because I had mentioned that I thought they
would look great on the Hunq. And they would have -  but with 47-622
Marathons there wasn't a mm to spare. My normal commute takes me down a
gravel trail with stones and sticks. I fret the sticks more than the
stones. After several attempts to fit the VOs (two sizes and lots of
thinking..). I had to go back to my tried and true SKS. They  worked best
for me and where I ride. Good luck...

Bob


On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 3:03 AM, René Sterental  wrote:

> My Hunqapillar is back from the painter. Photos will come soon, but I'm
> building it up and addressing some minor issues. One of these is how much
> clearance I want between the 50mm Dureme tires, and perhaps at some point,
> 55mm BAs or the new version. The reason I'm asking, is because this bike
> will obviously be ridden on dirt as well as paved trails. Not sure yet if
> I'd ever put knobbies with fenders, but I want to try to minimize the risk
> of a stone getting stuck between the fender and the tire.
>
> As such, the question is whether more clearance minimizes this hazard or
> actually increases, since bigger rocks/stones or other debris can get
> pulled into the fender by the tires. I can get lots of clearance on the
> Hunqapillar for the fenders, so as I was mounting the rear one the question
> came to be.
>
> Let me know what you think,
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: OT - Family Biking

[Robert Barr]

I always enjoy Smitty's posts. Some of my favorites have been about riding
with children. Riding with children is to me a wonder. After exploring our
options - Dummy and others..., my wife and I went with a Joe Bike, a
Portland assembled boxbike. It was great fun that passed too quickly. But
the adventure continues, our daughters are now 7 and 10, and they are on
two wheels of their own. We now ride the trails in a long line. I smile
sometimes when I read the about the epic rides of others - a 100 km through
somewhere... many of my rides are currently measured in blocks. I count
myself as very lucky.

Bob (Indianapolis)


On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Andy Smitty Schmidt <54ca...@gmail.com>wrote:

> I made a comment somewhere... either on the list here or flickr... that
> the Appaloosa looks like a great kid hauler with its super long everything.
>
> Have fun out there, Ryan. Dummy life is 
> grand.
>
>
> --Smitty
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 1, 2013 8:19:27 AM UTC-8, Andy Smitty Schmidt wrote:
>
>> This is somewhat OT but the pics are full of stuff from Riv... Aussie
>> Wool, Bosco Bars, Betty Foy, Cork Grips, and more. I wrote a guest post on
>> a friends blog about family biking and going car-free. Thought it might be
>> of interest to some folks on here.
>>
>> Becoming A Biking 
>> Family
>>
>> --Smitty
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Re: [RBW] Optimal clearance for metal fenders...

[Robert Barr]

Aaron - You are correct about the VO sizes, I was trying to make the
hammered finish VO 45s work. I really like the hammered look... don't care
much for the smoothies or Zeppelins. My Marathons, like most I have had,
run smaller than the listed size. My 47s, mounted and inflated barely make
41mm. So... with wishful thinking, I tried to make the 45mm VO fenders
work. They were too tight. Jitensha offers a 43mm hammered finish Honjo,
and Boulder noted that: "A 50mm fender is great for those who use Grand
Bois 30mm tires but want the option to run something wider such as a 32mm
Panaracer Pasela... I believe Boulder's widest hammered finish was a 42,
which I presume is the same as Jitensha's 43. I might have made the width
work, but the Marathons are also tall. In the end the clearance was too
tight. My experience seems different from Rene's in that I am more
concerned about too tight, than too wide a fender line. That may be simply
a function of our environments. I believe Rene is Bay area, while I am in
Indiana. After every windy day - and we have a lot, my commute is a maze of
small limbs and sticks of every type. My daily commuter for the last
several years has been a thoroughly Riv'ed MB3. I have had countless small
sticks rattle off my SKS fenders and spill out of the too loose fender
line. A couple of bigger sticks have started to jamb, but I have managed to
stop before the fender broke loose. On several occasions I think a tight
metal fender might not have been good. But - it is all environment. If I
could stick to an asphalt trail or the road I would try harder to make the
hammered metal fender work - but that is not where I ride. Bob
(Indianapolis)


On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Bob,
>
> What size were the hammered fenders?  The largest size I can find on the
> VO site is a 47 which could be the reason that a 47 tire would have
> difficulty fitting with sufficient clearance.  If you really want metal
> fenders they have the Zeppelin style in 52, but that might even be a tight
> fit for Rene's 50 mm Duremes. Here's a link to their fender page. I
>
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/fenders.html?p=1
>
> In the past my metal fenders have all been from VO and I've been happy
> with them.
>
> Aaron Young
> Vancouver, WA
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2013, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> Rene,
>>
>> I struggled with the fenders on my Hunqapillar. My thoughtful wife bought
>> me some hammered VOs as a gift because I had mentioned that I thought they
>> would look great on the Hunq. And they would have -  but with 47-622
>> Marathons there wasn't a mm to spare. My normal commute takes me down a
>> gravel trail with stones and sticks. I fret the sticks more than the
>> stones. After several attempts to fit the VOs (two sizes and lots of
>> thinking..). I had to go back to my tried and true SKS. They  worked best
>> for me and where I ride. Good luck...
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Latest and greatest HC poster art

[Robert Barr]

very nice!


On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 1:05 PM, William  wrote:

> Congratulations, Jim.  That is a splendid poster for Hiawatha Cyclery.
>
>
> On Thursday, March 21, 2013 10:02:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha
> Cyclery wrote:
>>
>> Jeez, I love this one.
>> http://hiawathacyclery.**blogspot.com/2013/03/2013-hc-**poster.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tips for Removing Cork Grips?

[Robert Barr]

I am 0/4. The last two sets came off in small pieces. This time I used less
Gorilla Glue!


On Fri, Mar 29, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Matthew J  wrote:

> VERY CAREFUL!  I've succeeded once out of maybe four tries.
>
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Re: [RBW] Recommended 26" tires

[Robert Barr]

David,

I agree with Manny, for commuting Marathons are workhorses. I hate to write
this for fear my hubris will bring down the wrath of the tire Gods, but I
think it has been 5 years since I had a flat, and that flat was a rim tube
pinch as a result of a hurried rim tape job. It reads like you are trying
to help someone get started commuting.  As a result of multiple swaps I
have a pair of fairly new 47-559 Marathons in my garage. If you want them
send me your address offline and I will send them to you. No reason to let
good tires gather dust.

Bob (Indianapolis)


On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:35 PM, cyclotourist wrote:

> Building a bike up that needs solid commuter but non-tank-like 26X1.75
> tires. Schwalbe Marathons (HS420) look to be about what I think I need, but
> any other suggestions at lower price points?
>
> Thanks!
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Re: [RBW] New AHH build drivetrain problem

[Robert Barr]

My experience is the same as Dans - been through it with two different
bikes. Bob


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Dan Abelson  wrote:

> I would look at the silver shifters first. In my experience unless you set
> the cable tension pretty high they tend to cause skipping.
>
> Dan Abelson
> St. Paul MN
> On Apr 11, 2013 11:22 AM, "Doug M"  wrote:
>
>> Submitted for your consideration:  a crunchy drivetrain problem on my
>> new Hilsen build.  I’m experiencing some auto-shifting and cog skipping
>> when going uphill, pedaling hard or pedaling out of the saddle.  I’d
>> appreciate the group’s suggestions for a solution.**
>>
>> Frame: 65 AHH, Waterford, 135 spacing, 1 TT, new
>>
>> Crank: Sugino XD2 road double 48-34
>>
>> BB: Shimano UN-54, 110 mm
>>
>> Shifters: Silvers on bar ends
>>
>> RD: Shimano LX, low normal
>>
>> Rims: Sun CR-18, 36 hole
>>
>> Rear hub: Shimano 105, 130 spacing, a 1.5 mm spacer added to each side***
>> *
>>
>> Cassette: SRAM 8 speed, 11-32
>>
>> Chain: SRAM 7-8 speed, new
>>
>> Components not indicated as new have maybe 200 mi. of use on a previous
>> bike of mine.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Me: 6’3”, PBH 92, 265 lbs.  What I’ve tried:  Grease on BB cable guide,
>> tightening rear QR skewer more. No luck so far.
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Re: [RBW] LBS Love...

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I am fortunate, the LBSs that I have visited in Indianapolis have all been
very professional and interested in helping me with my needs. I have one
shop that I prefer. I consider the owner a friend, and he makes a really
fine wheel, but his shop is not close to my home.  That means I visit a lot
of other shops when I find myself in need of a certain part late on Sunday
afternoon. All have been polite and helpful.




On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Broke a spoke (no idea how, but a loud "sproing-crack" troubadoured it's
> presence on a fast descent (I may have hit something, but have no idea).
> Rode the ten miles down to the LBS after cutting off the spoke at the
> nipple.
>
> It was fascinating. This was the first time I'd had the Hunqapillar in my
> LBS since receiving it last April, a little over a year ago. Every single
> person, customers and employees, on the walk back to the work area
> commented on how great and classic the bike is. One employee, after working
> on it, lamented as I paid that "They don't make them like that any more."
> "They do, actually. You just have to go to Rivendell to get it. This is
> just over a year old." Stunned silence. Still not sure if that's where I
> should go in the future, but at least this was the fairly simple job of
> spoke and brake replacement.
>
> How do you all figure out where to take your Riv. for servicing? I've
> already ruled out several shops that are closer or equidistant. There is
> one I'm pretty sure would do a great job for another mile or so.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] For the love of Albas

[Robert Barr]

My observation as well. My commute is maybe a mile shorter than yours, it
doesn't matter if I am on my MB3 or the Hunqapillar. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Christopher Wiggins wrote:

> I've noted over the last couple of years, that my commute is unaffected by
> wheel size, tire width and bike weight (I've got a Hilsen and a LHT). My
> 10-11 mile commute time is roughly the same regardless of how fast/slow I
> think I'm riding.  I had a pair of Albas sitting around and decided to
> install them on my AHH.
> Rode them to work for the first time this morning.  With a bit of
> headwind.same time.
>
> Color me converted.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albas and Saddle Width

[Robert Barr]

B17 works very well for me. I have a B17 and Albas on an MB3 and a
Hunqapillar.  Bob (Indianapolis)


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:21 PM, Larry H  wrote:

> I've thought about it.  The B68 has been discontinued by Brooks so its
> hard to find a new one.
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 11:53:14 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> how about a plain old B68 without the springs?  It's textured, but it's
>> the correct width for sitting upright, and doesn't need breaking in.
>>
>> On Monday, July 1, 2013 4:19:32 PM UTC-5, Larry H wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm wondering what type (width) of Brooks Saddle people use with
>>> Albatross Bars.  I've been using a B-67 on my Sam Hillborne.  RBW
>>> recommends the wider saddles for upright bars.  Does anyone use the B-17
>>> with Albas or Bosco bars?  I'm not a big fan of the textured leather on the
>>> B-67.  I would need to switch to a B-17 or B-72 to get non textured
>>> leather.  The B-72 is a double rail saddle and would need a seat post
>>> sandwich or Nitto simple seat post.
>>>
>>> I also don't like the creaky springs.  I don't really need a sprung
>>> saddle since I'm only around 145 lbs.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the feedback.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Running Amok in Portland

[Robert Barr]

David - looks like a good trip. I like the tandem - been thinking about one
or two of those as my daughters get older. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 7:49 PM, cyclotourist  wrote:

> First such trip in 12 years... not too shabby!
>
> Three bikes, although one has two seats:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/64942209@N00/9157200540 Might be just
> thing to do rose-garden touring! The others rounding out the trio are
> my Road Rivy and 29er.
>
> On 7/3/13, dougP  wrote:
> > David:
> >
> > Good for you on getting away sans offspring.  Looked like 3 bikes in the
> > back of the van.  And the other 2 would be?  Don't neglect to bike
> > around the park with the famous rose gardens.  Super fun way to spend a
> > half day.
> >
> > dougP
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 3:50:23 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> The wife and I are taking a rare child-free road trip to the Pacific
> >> North West to visit friends in Portland. First day in Minneapolis West
> >> has been fantastic! Met up with Chris, Shawn and Andy and rode a 35
> >> mile loop over hill and dale. Sorta' tired me out a bit! And sunburn
> >> on my head to prove it's summertime!
> >>
> >> PTPIH:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157634472317688/
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Re: [RBW] For the love of Albas

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I think I am converted for good, but I also think bars are a very body
specific/riding style specific choice  Our friends at Riv patiently (very
patiently!) worked with me through many iterations of Noodlles and M-bars.
How wide, how high... I even had to try the Bull Moose. Once I had ridden
Albas I have never been happy with other bars. I really wanted to put
Noodles on my Hunqapillar - they looked so good in the pictures... but they
felt so bad compared to the Albas. I did almost the same thing with my
MB3s, I liked the look of the M-bars, but once I tried the Albas I couldn't
ride them.  I have not tried the Boscoes or Albastache bars, but they seem
to be variations on the Alba theme. I suspect I would like them. Other
folks seem to be equally passionate about drops. Grant wrote an excellent
essay on handlebar variations in a early 90s B-stone catalog, and I think
the good news is that his influence has helped us out of the dark ages of
just drops and straight bars. Options are good.


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> Converted for good? Rachel likes hers so far, and I guess I'll have to see
> how I feel about noodles vs albas and try both for myself. As for now, the
> noodles are on order with the SH frame!
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

A


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> Have you considered Ortlieb panniers, especially the "classic" kind? Those
> can get absolutely filthy, but a strong blast of water from a hose with
> maybe a light swipe of a brush will return them to almost pristine
> condition. You don't even have to unpack them as the rolltop is essentially
> waterproof. OK, so I live in CA where it doesn't rain much. But on the
> occasions when it does rain, the accumulated dirt/grit is quite a bit and
> my black Ortlieb bags turn a nice shade of grey.
>
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 8:45:11 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>
>> You wouldn't say that if you lived in VT,where we have had 50 days of
>> rain in the last 10 weeks! Or if you lived on a dirt road.  I have front
>> and rear racks on my Saluki but I want absolutely everything above the
>> fenders.  If it all wont fit in the barley bag, I pull out the Nelson LF.
>>  Both are on their own SQRs.  In fact my only complaint about Canti brakes
>> is that the pivots sit below the fenders.
>>
>> Michael
>> in flooded Westford, VT.
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Re: [RBW] For the love of Albas

[Robert Barr]

We can do that - I also would like to visit your shop.



On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 10:23 AM, Christopher Wiggins wrote:

> I would love to see that Hunqa!
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 3, 2013 4:09:48 PM UTC-4, Robert Barr wrote:
>
>> My observation as well. My commute is maybe a mile shorter than yours, it
>> doesn't matter if I am on my MB3 or the Hunqapillar. Bob (Indianapolis)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Christopher Wiggins 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've noted over the last couple of years, that my commute is unaffected
>>> by wheel size, tire width and bike weight (I've got a Hilsen and a LHT). My
>>> 10-11 mile commute time is roughly the same regardless of how fast/slow I
>>> think I'm riding.  I had a pair of Albas sitting around and decided to
>>> install them on my AHH.
>>> Rode them to work for the first time this morning.  With a bit of
>>> headwind.same time.
>>>
>>> Color me converted.
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

Please excuse the miss send. I have a large basket on a mini-front rack on
the Hunqa, and a large basket on a R-14 Top Rack on the MB-3. As I have
written before, our friends at Riv patiently guided me to baskets. I can't
imagine commuting without one. Bob (Indianapolis)



On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Robert Barr  wrote:

> A
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
> wrote:
>
>> Have you considered Ortlieb panniers, especially the "classic" kind?
>> Those can get absolutely filthy, but a strong blast of water from a hose
>> with maybe a light swipe of a brush will return them to almost pristine
>> condition. You don't even have to unpack them as the rolltop is essentially
>> waterproof. OK, so I live in CA where it doesn't rain much. But on the
>> occasions when it does rain, the accumulated dirt/grit is quite a bit and
>> my black Ortlieb bags turn a nice shade of grey.
>>
>>
>> On Friday, July 5, 2013 8:45:11 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>
>>> You wouldn't say that if you lived in VT,where we have had 50 days of
>>> rain in the last 10 weeks! Or if you lived on a dirt road.  I have front
>>> and rear racks on my Saluki but I want absolutely everything above the
>>> fenders.  If it all wont fit in the barley bag, I pull out the Nelson LF.
>>>  Both are on their own SQRs.  In fact my only complaint about Canti brakes
>>> is that the pivots sit below the fenders.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>> in flooded Westford, VT.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

Like so many discussions I have followed with this group, it is informative
and helpful to read what solutions others have found. Baskets work best for
me. The large front basket holds my book bag easily and allows me to put a
raincoat or fleece on top for easy access.I also have reusable bags that
fit perfectly in the basket. A good friend swears by the cat litter bucket
panniers and helps our local advocacy group, IndyCog, teach people how to
make and attach them. It probably does help that we are both geologists,
and almost as a requirement have extremely high geek thresholds. Maybe a
big basket on the front and cat litter buckets on the back... Bob
(Indianapolis)
,


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:14 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
> years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
> consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
> paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
> accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.
>
> If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or whatever
> they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
> convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
> make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
> gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
> I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
> strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
> higher geek threshold anyway.
>
> I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn gocery
> bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the purchase.
>
> Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
> painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>
>>
>> Considering wald folding baskets in back
>>
>> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

I hadn't thought of that, could be good for overnights with the family! Bob


On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Nah, the shopping cart I haul behind my bike takes up the overflow.
>
> Patrick Moore, geeking out to the max in rainy ABQ, NM
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>
>> Erm, if you are hauling around two trashcans worth of stuff maybe it's
>> bakfeit time
>> On Jul 6, 2013 11:14 AM, "Patrick Moore"  wrote:
>>
>>> If those others use are like those I've used on a couple of bikes some
>>> years ago, I would urge (unless you just have a fad for baskets) you
>>> consider good grocery panniers, those deep enough to swallow an overloaded
>>> paper sack and with a lid. The Wald baskets I used were too narrow to
>>> accept a paper sack and the holes are too big to secure plastic bags.
>>>
>>> If you want solid panniers, you might consider Oyster Buckets (or
>>> whatever they are called) or, for the ultimate and ne plus ultra of pannier
>>> convenience (they are far, far superior to baskets in use if not fashion)
>>> make your own out of kitchen trash bins, the kind that take standard "30
>>> gallon" bags. I still have a pair, even though I gave up using them because
>>> I felt silly riding around with a pair of trashcans (white, basic, kitchen)
>>> strapped to my rack. But if you tolerate Wald baskets, you probably have a
>>> higher geek threshold anyway.
>>>
>>> I gave a second pair to my n-d neighbor along with a beater Schwinn
>>> gocery bike I sold him for $60. He's still using them 5-6 years after the
>>> purchase.
>>>
>>> Finally, you can customize your trash cans (white, of course) with any
>>> painted-on or stuck-on design that strikes your fancy.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 6, 2013 at 5:05 AM, Edwin W  wrote:
>>>

 Considering wald folding baskets in back

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Re: [RBW] Do you find you ride slower with Albas than with drops?

[Robert Barr]

No, I think my experience is similar to Jay's, a few minutes here or there.
But I also don't ride for speed. Bob (Indianapolis)



On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:51 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Exactly, I could ride a funny bike with huge TT bars if I just wanted to
> go fast. I would rather be comfortable.
> On Jul 7, 2013 8:38 PM, "Peter Pesce"  wrote:
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>> Yes, I feel a bit slower vs drops or even flat bars, but I'm much more
>> upright, and comfortable, and having more fun, so who cares.
>>
>> Pete in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: 1 bike? Could you do it?

[Robert Barr]

I am with Deacon Patrick. The Hunqapillar is a marvel, and a do-it-all
bicycle for me.Bob (Indianapolis)


On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:26 PM, hsmitham  wrote:

> Doing it  with my 58cm 650b Hilsen, tour bike, daily ride et al. Though I
> have plans...
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
> On Friday, July 5, 2013 1:40:54 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>> Truth be told  you only have One bike ... ever.  It resides within
>> you, not outside of you ;)
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Re: [RBW] Little Saluki and Boscos after the storm

[Robert Barr]

Looks like a beautiful hackberry, always sad to see the ancestors fall.Bob
(Indianapolis)



On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Liesl  wrote:

> Here's my 50 cm Saluki with 55 Boscos, a 13cm Tallux stem, shimano MTB
> silver levers, and ergon grips.  Will add brown Newbaum tape and and
> currently sewing on leather covers for the ergons.
>
> The sad fallen giant is a victim of the Summer Solstice Storm that hit the
> Twin Cities two weeks ago.  Not too many people hurt, but probably a
> thousand trees were lost.  We live half a block from Powderhorn Park, and
> the park lost in the vicinity of 30 trees.  This was one of them.  An old
> beautiful hackberry.  Twas a sad sad night for the Ents.
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Re: [RBW] poll: what do you have on your rack (s)?

[Robert Barr]

Thomas - I find the combination very stable. I tried the smaller basket
first because I was concerned about the stability of a larger basket on the
mini rack, but found it didn't fit my bag well. The larger basket perfectly
fits my Patagonia Mini mass bag laying flat, and the load is then centered
right over the rack. A bungee net holds everything in place. If I pile it
high it is usually with a fleece or raincoat, so little weight. I carry an
strap in my saddlesack if I think the basket needs additional support, but
I have never used it. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J <
thomas.alling...@skadden.com> wrote:

>  Large basket on a Mini Rack?  Do you find it stable when fully loaded?
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 10:25 PM, "Robert Barr"  wrote:
>
>   Please excuse the miss send. I have a large basket on a mini-front rack
> on the Hunqa, and a large basket on a R-14 Top Rack on the MB-3. As I have
> written before, our friends at Riv patiently guided me to baskets. I can't
> imagine commuting without one. Bob (Indianapolis)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Robert Barr  wrote:
>
>> A
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA > > wrote:
>>
>>> Have you considered Ortlieb panniers, especially the "classic" kind?
>>> Those can get absolutely filthy, but a strong blast of water from a hose
>>> with maybe a light swipe of a brush will return them to almost pristine
>>> condition. You don't even have to unpack them as the rolltop is essentially
>>> waterproof. OK, so I live in CA where it doesn't rain much. But on the
>>> occasions when it does rain, the accumulated dirt/grit is quite a bit and
>>> my black Ortlieb bags turn a nice shade of grey.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, July 5, 2013 8:45:11 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You wouldn't say that if you lived in VT,where we have had 50 days of
>>>> rain in the last 10 weeks! Or if you lived on a dirt road.  I have front
>>>> and rear racks on my Saluki but I want absolutely everything above the
>>>> fenders.  If it all wont fit in the barley bag, I pull out the Nelson LF.
>>>>  Both are on their own SQRs.  In fact my only complaint about Canti brakes
>>>> is that the pivots sit below the fenders.
>>>>
>>>>  Michael
>>>> in flooded Westford, VT.
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] 1 bike? Could you do it?

[Robert Barr]

beautiful - I love the orange


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 12:35 PM, jimD  wrote:

> I have more than 1 bike but my Riv custom is the one that gets ridden the
> most.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157604146015375/
>
> If I ever put fenders on it I'll not keep the others.
>
> It would likely be a less than optimum choice for loaded touring but was
> all I
> could ask for on Sierra To The Sea:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/rasterdogs/sets/72157634488579030/
>
> I understood from Grant that my bike is similar to a Rodeo.  Anne Paulson
> and her Rodeo are in the Sierra To The Sea set.
> -JimD
>
> On Jul 7, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Eric Platt  wrote:
>
> Of course, even with cars, there is the concept of the "winter beater".  A
> northern concept for sure.
>
> Of course, if forced, could go to one bike.  But then I wouldn't have
> anything to tinker on!  As I've said before, it's like guitars.  Sure,
> could have only one, but having more makes it easier to have the right tool
> for the job.
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:19 AM, C.J. Filip  wrote:
>
>> If living temporarily <2 years someplace, yes, probably, if I was
>> involved with work and it was a boring location.
>>
>> I'm established in a town I moved to about three years ago with a nice
>> mix of terrain, road surfaces (and qualities) and my Saluki could
>> definitely do all the things I want it to but a dedicated cross county mtb,
>> a beater cross bike, a dedicated road bike (anti-unracer) are permanent
>> residents.
>>
>> Oh, and there's a bike stashed at my parents ~3000 miles away for rides
>> back in the hood.  Even if I eliminated all bikes here, there'd still be
>> the Indy Fab back home.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, July 7, 2013 5:11:12 AM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>>>
>>> By way of the magnitude of units produced and the entire car, drivetrain
>>> included, being (mostly) unique and produced by the same company seems to
>>> give them quite an edge in reliability and durability.
>>>
>>> My car is plan "C" in my line up at best, but my expectation of being
>>> able to undertake a thousand mile drive at any moment is not absurd, nor
>>> outside of common expectation for a car.
>>>
>>> The logic for bicycles being applied to cars would be true if one had
>>> really exceptional requirements from an automobile. Off the lot models
>>> provide a spectrum of choice and expense to suit most; the game changes
>>> when modifications are made which seems the inverse of bicycles. Parts of a
>>> bike are collected and assembled by the brands which individuals can do as
>>> well, if not better, if the budget is not concerning; don't like the wheels
>>> but the bike was a close-out deal if for the component group alone, build
>>> some that really suit you. The threads of car group discussions about
>>> changing OEM run-flat  tires to conventional ones and carrying a spare are
>>> epic.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>> On Saturday, July 6, 2013 9:28:54 AM UTC-4, justin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Do you all own a backup car for each car you own, too?
 Seems like expensive logic to me!
 -J
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sunday S24O

[Robert Barr]

Deacon, I thought about you on the 4th and hoped you had gone into the high
country. I know too many people that need to escape that noise. I am glad
you found relief - albeit a bit late! Bob (Indianapolis)


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Christopher Chen  wrote:

> I'll second Deacon's comment regarding how easy it is to deal with. When
> you strap a tent + pad with the loops, you can still flip the bag open and
> access everything inside. And because it's wider than taller, most things
> are REALLY accessible without disturbing the pack.
>
> And, like discussed before, it overstuffs like nobody's business.
>
> cc
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> I love the large Saddleack, Erl. So easy to pack, strap tent et al on
>> top, and still access everything. When I add panniers for longer and/or
>> colder trips, I'll stuff the least frequently used items in them as they
>> are the most challenging to both access and remember what is where. WIth
>> the large Saddlesack, it's all in one place and easy to access and thus
>> uses far less brain energy (a BIG deal for my wimpy noggin).
>>
>> My Cotton Analogy rain gear by Hilltrek is due to arrive this week. I am
>> looking forward to testing it out in our current "monsoon" season we are
>> having (frequent boomers that dump a lot of rain and or hail). It's
>> supposed to breathe as well as single layer ventile, but has a liner that
>> works like fur to actively put any moisture that gets through back out. So,
>> perfect for aerobic activity in wet and cold. My single layer ventile soaks
>> through (made by Orvis and I hacked it up to make it lighter, so it's not
>> made by a ventile specialist company and I may have diminished it's
>> effectiveness with my hacks). The new stuff is tested for 3 cm of rain per
>> hour, which my current jacket definitely soaks through with. It's median
>> cost for a quality Goretex jacket, should be equally effective and far more
>> breathable, thus keeping me dryer.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 5:31:40 PM UTC-6, WETH wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick,
>>> Wonderful images.  What a lovely place at which to camp.
>>> How do you like the large Saddlesack?
>>> Erl
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Re: [RBW] Re: First Riv in the wild

[Robert Barr]

This thread is timely. As I rode home last Wednesday I met up and rode for
a bit with a near neighbor that rides a beautiful Sam-orange Atlantis. As
we rode we talked about the Riv's that we see in our small area of
Indianapolis. As of the last spotting we have seen 4 Quickbeams, 2 Atlantis
(i?), a older custom in a deep red, and a beautiful fully-racked and
tweed-bagged Saluki. I will get the color of the Saluki wrong, but it
looked to me like a platinum.The Saluki was sitting outside a shop, and  I
confess that  I tried to find the owner, and hurriedly looked  around the
handful of shops at the end of my street looking for a likely suspect. I
came out of one shop in time to see a man ride off on the bike. Counting me
and my Hunqapillar, that is 9 Riv's in a small area of Indianapolis. That
said,  I will proudly note that Indianapolis has been receiving national
attention as a rising cycling town. Who would have thought..., but it
fits,Indianapolis was where the first American-made bicycle chain was made!
 Bob


On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:23 PM, dougP  wrote:

> Re: Silverlake - we were wandering around Silverlake on foot one day &
> passed a bike rack in front of a restaurant (wish I could recall the
> name).  Anyway, many cool bikes locked up there but all of a sudden the
> cream head tube on one stood out.  It was Rivendell custom the same color
> as David's, that subtle silvery-blue from early in the century.  I honestly
> would not have noticed it for the cream head tube.  Subtle, but effective.
>
> dougP
>
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2013 5:17:40 PM UTC-7, Evan Spacht wrote:
>>
>> Would you consider a bike shop 'The Wild' ?   There may be a better
>> chance of encountering another Rivendell at a shop than on the road...
>>
>> Anyhow, while having some work done at the Golden Saddle Cyclery in
>> Silverlake , a fellow came in with a 60+ cm Hilsen of the same vintage as
>> mine. Weird! It was kind of funny to see my bike compared to a massive
>> double TT'er
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 6, 2013 12:31:30 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
>>>
>>> Went for a ride on Saturday along the SoCal coast from Solano Beach to
>>> Torry Pines State beach.  At the base of the hill up to Torrey Pines I see
>>> a bearded gentleman on a green AHH.  I was riding my dtt AHH.  It turned
>>> out to be Hugh from this group.  We had a great talk and after about 45
>>> minutes or so he went north and I continued south.  It was great to meet a
>>> like minded rider and compare bikes and ideas.  Hugh took some pictures to
>>> document the chance meeting.  What great people one can meet on a bike.
>>>  Ride often and ride safe.  Peace.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Surprise

[Robert Barr]

Deacon, there is a spreadsheet calculator built that uses the data from
Jan's extension and discussion of Frank Berto's earlier work. You can
access it at
http://www.biketinker.com/2010/bike-resources/optimal-tire-pressure-for-bicycles/.
Read the post and then click on "tire pressure calculator" in the black bar
at the top of the page. I have been fascinated by how well it works.
Everyone that I have talked with has lowered their tire pressures and had a
better ride. I am sure I first read about the spreadsheet on this forum,
but I couldn't find the original post - my apologies to the original
poster. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Fascinating pressure chart and 15% compression rule. Thanks. Extrapolating
> it for 50mm tires and 190lbs (+ whatever weight I have in my bags), I'm
> guessing my usual pressure is spot on. I'm actually quite comfortable with
> my usual pressure (likely 40-50 psi) for paved, dirt, and trail riding. I
> just found it intriguing that I noticed the higher pressure and did not
> like it.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:42:19 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Sounds like the fenders fit about as close to the tire as possible.  If
>> deflating to your normal pressure made the sound go away, bingo, you got
>> it!  FWIW, once I got up to 40 mm tires on my Atlantis, pressure seems a
>> minor item.  I pump the back up to 60ish & front to 50ish, then ride until
>> they feel mushy (usually several weeks).  Larger tires would probably be
>> even less sensitive.
>>
>> The article that Ron mentions is excellent & gives a good starting point
>> for arriving at an optimal personal pressure.  I find it reassuring that
>> smarter people than I have spent some time & energy on the question, and
>> the answer is that pressure is not that critical with larger size tires.
>> It's worth thinking about & experimenting with to find out what works best
>> for you, your bike, & your loads.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 1:19:41 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not really sure what tire pressure I ride with, I just know it by
>>> feel. On my recent S24O I kept hearing the bizarre sound that I could not
>>> place. I hand't heard it on pavement on the climb up, it just started were
>>> the dirt started. An odd reverberation. Checked all bolts to ensure they
>>> were snug. Fender rubbing? No. All other checks negative. Felt my tire.
>>> Yowza! Rock hard. Deflated it to the proper hard squish. Bike rode better
>>> and sound eliminated. I'd forgotten to check the pressure after I had my
>>> spoke fixed at my LBS. They must just automatically inflate to max.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Surprise

[Robert Barr]

A little reader tells me that the original poster was Phillip aka Bike
Tinker. Thank you Phillip. Bob


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Robert Barr  wrote:

> Deacon, there is a spreadsheet calculator built that uses the data from
> Jan's extension and discussion of Frank Berto's earlier work. You can
> access it at
> http://www.biketinker.com/2010/bike-resources/optimal-tire-pressure-for-bicycles/.
> Read the post and then click on "tire pressure calculator" in the black bar
> at the top of the page. I have been fascinated by how well it works.
> Everyone that I have talked with has lowered their tire pressures and had a
> better ride. I am sure I first read about the spreadsheet on this forum,
> but I couldn't find the original post - my apologies to the original
> poster. Bob (Indianapolis)
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> Fascinating pressure chart and 15% compression rule. Thanks.
>> Extrapolating it for 50mm tires and 190lbs (+ whatever weight I have in my
>> bags), I'm guessing my usual pressure is spot on. I'm actually quite
>> comfortable with my usual pressure (likely 40-50 psi) for paved, dirt, and
>> trail riding. I just found it intriguing that I noticed the higher pressure
>> and did not like it.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:42:19 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Sounds like the fenders fit about as close to the tire as possible.  If
>>> deflating to your normal pressure made the sound go away, bingo, you got
>>> it!  FWIW, once I got up to 40 mm tires on my Atlantis, pressure seems a
>>> minor item.  I pump the back up to 60ish & front to 50ish, then ride until
>>> they feel mushy (usually several weeks).  Larger tires would probably be
>>> even less sensitive.
>>>
>>> The article that Ron mentions is excellent & gives a good starting point
>>> for arriving at an optimal personal pressure.  I find it reassuring that
>>> smarter people than I have spent some time & energy on the question, and
>>> the answer is that pressure is not that critical with larger size tires.
>>> It's worth thinking about & experimenting with to find out what works best
>>> for you, your bike, & your loads.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 1:19:41 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not really sure what tire pressure I ride with, I just know it by
>>>> feel. On my recent S24O I kept hearing the bizarre sound that I could not
>>>> place. I hand't heard it on pavement on the climb up, it just started were
>>>> the dirt started. An odd reverberation. Checked all bolts to ensure they
>>>> were snug. Fender rubbing? No. All other checks negative. Felt my tire.
>>>> Yowza! Rock hard. Deflated it to the proper hard squish. Bike rode better
>>>> and sound eliminated. I'd forgotten to check the pressure after I had my
>>>> spoke fixed at my LBS. They must just automatically inflate to max.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
>>>> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
>>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Terrible News

[Robert Barr]

Very sad news



On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:

> Sounds like a Drunk Driver to me. What a loss, RIP to a cool cat.
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:20 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>
>> Wow. "... the car ... slowed quickly and swerved before hitting Vidal."
>> Evil. Absolutely evil.
>>
>> With deep sorrow,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 1:03:07 PM UTC-6, Peter Pesce wrote:
>>>
>>> via Twitter:
>>>
>>> *ThePathLessPedaled* @*pathlesspedaled* 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Just found out a reader from Durham was killed in a hit and run. RIP
>>> Seth Vidal. http://bit.ly/1bljzbI 
>>> http://www.wral.com/bicyclist-**killed-in-durham-hit-and-run/**12639104/
>>>
>>> I do not know if this is the same person who is regular here. I did not
>>> know him personally. The PLP video they link to features a nice guy on an
>>> Atlantis. (If not, my apologies for causing undue grief.)
>>>
>>> Thoughts and prayers for his family and friends.
>>>
>>> -Pete in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire Pressure Surprise

[Robert Barr]

Philip, thanks again. I look forward to looking at the new version. My
apologies for not citing you correctly in the first send. Bob


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My pleasure. I maintain the spreadsheet, but I didn't create the original
> Excel formulas. That was Dave Adams, and he based his formula on Frank
> Berto's measurements, as reported by Bicycle Quarterly.
>
> Fellow list member Allan Folz wrote new formulae for the Android Tire
> Pressure app we worked on together (and are working on updating right now,
> actually), so they're slightly different at the extremes. Amazon lets you
> demo the app for free online, if you're interested in a different approach:
> http://www.amazon.com/Edison-Gauss-Publishing-Pressure-Calculator/dp/B008J0YAHM
>
> Philip
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:28:27 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Bob and Philip! My main gage is to have enough pressure to not
>> get snake bit on rocks or roots, but not a whole lot more than that.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 9, 2013 12:34:22 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
>>>
>>> Deacon, there is a spreadsheet calculator built that uses the data from
>>> Jan's extension and discussion of Frank Berto's earlier work. You can
>>> access it at http://www.biketinker.com/**2010/bike-resources/optimal-**
>>> tire-pressure-for-bicycles/<http://www.biketinker.com/2010/bike-resources/optimal-tire-pressure-for-bicycles/>.
>>> Read the post and then click on "tire pressure calculator" in the black bar
>>> at the top of the page. I have been fascinated by how well it works.
>>> Everyone that I have talked with has lowered their tire pressures and had a
>>> better ride. I am sure I first read about the spreadsheet on this forum,
>>> but I couldn't find the original post - my apologies to the original
>>> poster. Bob (Indianapolis)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fascinating pressure chart and 15% compression rule. Thanks.
>>>> Extrapolating it for 50mm tires and 190lbs (+ whatever weight I have in my
>>>> bags), I'm guessing my usual pressure is spot on. I'm actually quite
>>>> comfortable with my usual pressure (likely 40-50 psi) for paved, dirt, and
>>>> trail riding. I just found it intriguing that I noticed the higher pressure
>>>> and did not like it.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 8:42:19 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds like the fenders fit about as close to the tire as possible.
>>>>> If deflating to your normal pressure made the sound go away, bingo, you 
>>>>> got
>>>>> it!  FWIW, once I got up to 40 mm tires on my Atlantis, pressure seems a
>>>>> minor item.  I pump the back up to 60ish & front to 50ish, then ride until
>>>>> they feel mushy (usually several weeks).  Larger tires would probably be
>>>>> even less sensitive.
>>>>>
>>>>> The article that Ron mentions is excellent & gives a good starting
>>>>> point for arriving at an optimal personal pressure.  I find it reassuring
>>>>> that smarter people than I have spent some time & energy on the question,
>>>>> and the answer is that pressure is not that critical with larger size
>>>>> tires.  It's worth thinking about & experimenting with to find out what
>>>>> works best for you, your bike, & your loads.
>>>>>
>>>>> dougP
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday, July 8, 2013 1:19:41 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not really sure what tire pressure I ride with, I just know it by
>>>>>> feel. On my recent S24O I kept hearing the bizarre sound that I could not
>>>>>> place. I hand't heard it on pavement on the climb up, it just started 
>>>>>> were
>>>>>> the dirt started. An odd reverberation. Checked all bolts to ensure they
>>>>>> were snug. Fender rubbing? No. All other checks negative. Felt my tire.
>>>>>> Yowza! Rock hard. Deflated it to the proper hard squish. Bike rode better
>>>>>> and sound eliminated. I'd forgotten to check the pressure after I had m

Re: [RBW] Re: Terrible News

[Robert Barr]

The postcards that this group and others in the Riv world sent to my late
friend Nick Cassell, were initially a source of great encouragement for
him, and when he died, for his his family and friends.  His son arranged
all the post cards on two panels that were prominently displayed at his
memorial. The area was visited all through the memorial. I wonder if we
could do something similar for Seth? Perhaps we could each send a favorite
ride picture to show that Seth is in our thoughts? I am sure Grant would
post something to reach the larger group. However, I am not in Durham, so I
am not sure how this could be coordinated, so it is just a thought - like
many others I feel some show of support is needed. Bob (Indianapolis)


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 1:00 PM, erik jensen  wrote:

> really sad. i hope the perpetrators are held accountable.
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Re: [RBW] Re: good ride

[Robert Barr]

Beautiful - thank you for posting. Bob



On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:59 PM, erik jensen  wrote:

> Glad you all enjoy the photos -- I'm already looking for other lines out
> there... Amazing country indeed.
>
> Cheers,
>
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> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, doc  wrote:
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>> My oldest son and I just got back from Donner Pass/Squaw
>> Valley...incredible geography!
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 10, 2013 9:43:41 PM UTC-4, bicyc...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> hi everyone:
>>>
>>> been a while since i've posted on the list, but i figured some of you
>>> might enjoy the photos from my most recent off road tour -- a traverse of
>>> the sierra entirely on dirt from truckee to auburn.
>>>
>>> bikenoir.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> a protobomba, hunqapillar, and mb-1 were the usual suspects.
>>>
>>> a shameless plug for you,
>>>
>>> e
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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

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Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My daughter's
(my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to me since
they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as a family
and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have no idea
where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for the
opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob



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> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly
> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over!
> Have a blast!
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Re: [RBW] Bikepacking with kids

[Robert Barr]

If we are wise we learn from children



On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 9:52 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Happy to share our experience. She's both excited and apprehensive, so
> she's already wiser than I am. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Friday, July 12, 2013 7:33:49 PM UTC-6, Robert Barr wrote:
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>> Me as well Patrick. My eldest daughter will be 11 in August. My
>> daughter's (my younger daughter will be 8 in August) have been a wonder to
>> me since they were born. We have progressed to riding the local trails as a
>> family and with the pleasure they seem to have in riding together, I have
>> no idea where this adventure will lead, but I will forever be grateful for
>> the opportunity. Keep us posted on your adventure. With big smiles - Bob
>>
>>
>>
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>>> I've got nothing on advice Patrick, but I also have a daughter rapidly
>>> approaching that age and I'd love to hear about your trip when it's over!
>>> Have a blast!
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