Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE

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OP5%2BAZvlHhABSexWY%3D=0> From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:05 PM To:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE My question is: Are QR u

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Alright.  Thank  you. You confirmed my interpretation as well.On Jan. 11, 2022 15:56, Tom Wellen via Sprinklerforum wrote:Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide

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prinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 2:05 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Cc: Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE My question is: Are QR uprights listed to be used in those areas or does it have to be a CCS sprinkler? Troy ---

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; Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide protection. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium

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Subject: RE: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE My question is: Are QR uprights listed to be used in those areas or does it have to be a CCS sprinkler? Troy -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Tom Wellen via Sprinklerforum Sent: January 11, 2022 3:56 PM To: sprinklerforum

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; Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC Subject: Re: COMBUSTIBLE CONCEALED SPACE Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide protection. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium Fire

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Troy, No. NFPA 13, 2019 edition in 9.3.2 is specific that sprinklers are listed for horizontal combustible concealed spaces. Specifically listed to provide protection. On Tue, Jan 11, 2022 at 2:40 PM Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum wrote: > Can someone confirm that

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Section 9..3.2 (19) says less than 36" must be listed.. Not sure the question fully..? R/ Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Trillium Fire Sprinkler Design INC via Sprinklerforum Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2022 1:40 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

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This issue was suppose to have been submitted for clarification but it didn’t happen (so will have to wait until next cycle - WHICH HAS ALREADY STARTED with PI’s being accepted). Nonetheless, the issue is does a single layer of batt insulation modify the status of EXPOSED construction?

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tston...@comcast.net <mailto:tston...@comcast.net> From: Sprinklerforum On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 11:55 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space I still need to verify, but it look

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To: Sprinklerforum Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Combustible Concealed Space How do they intend to secure the insulation? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell) On Oct 23, 2018 at 10:48 AM, mailto:kmontgom...@aerofire.com

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How do they intend to secure the insulation? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell) > > On Oct 23, 2018 at 10:48 AM,

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Since there isn't a clear exception I think you have to protect the space. Otherwise, you are making an engineering judgement. Nick Maneen, SET c 704.791.7789 From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery Sent: Tuesday,

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We have ALWAYS sprinklered these spaces. Steve L. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Kyle.Montgomery Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2018 7:49 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible Concealed Space I'm looking at a

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rtinez <dmarti...@total-mechanical.com> To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Date: 02/08/2017 03:04 PM Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space under stair Sent by:"Sprinklerforum" <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> It’s just a dead

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:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space under stair Is this an enclosure. Access door like a closet.? Electrical equipment? Art Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly 24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:s

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:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] *On Behalf Of *Art Tiroly *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2017 12:49 PM *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org *Subject:* RE: Combustible concealed space under stair Is this an enclosure. Access door like a closet

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Is this an enclosure. Access door like a closet.? Electrical equipment? Art Tiroly ATCO Fire Protection/Tiroly 24400 Highland Rd CLE 44143 216-621-8899 216-570-7030 cell From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Dewayne Martinez

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Dewayne, Try 8.15.6, if it is Platform. Regards, G. Tim Stone G. Tim Stone Consulting, LLC NICET Level III Engineering Technician Fire Protection Sprinkler Design and Consulting Services 117 Old Stage Rd. - Essex Jct., VT. 05452 CELL: (802) 373-0638 TEL:

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I have seen it go both ways. It depends on the AHJ. I have had the “sprinkler scientist” type tell me that it isn’t above a small room so no. Ron F Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Dewayne Martinez Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 10:09 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org

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o:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] On Behalf Of Roland > Huggins > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:15 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> &g

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um-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org>] On Behalf Of John > Corcoran > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 8:56 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > <mailto:sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org> > S

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14, 2016 8:56 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction Some input from our tech team: While NFPA 13 "requires" that specially tested and listed sprinklers be used in combustible concealed spaces 36" and less, the

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liable KFR CCS is listed to be used in areas that are 36 inches in height or less. John Corcoran From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Cliff Whitfield Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 6:12 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: R

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Behalf Of *Travis Mack, SET > *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:51 PM > *To:* sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > *Subject:* Re: Combustible Concealed Space-Area Reduction > > > > I think he is saying that his concealed space is >36" in depth. If so, >

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o 60" deep with 16 x 16 spacing on the market now. Cliff Whitfield From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Travis Mack, SET Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2016 5:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Conce

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I think he is saying that his concealed space is >36" in depth. If so, then specially listed are not mandated. If so, I have always used the QR reduction for 10' ceiling height in those spaces provided it is a wet system. I have had some AHJs require I go to the floor to get my deck height.

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Taylor, I believe you will need to use Concealed Space Sprinklers for that area and will need to calc based on the manf data sheet. Cliff Whitfield, SET President Fire Design, Inc. From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Taylor

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If you’re in West Des Moines, IA……. You will protect it, no matter what. David Autry Meininger Fire Protection 2521 West L Street, Suite 5 Lincoln, NE 68522 402.466.2616 402.466.2617 fax da...@mfp-inc.com *From:* Sprinklerforum [mailto: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org]

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ler.org> on > behalf of Morey, Mike <mo...@bmwc.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:35 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space > > This is the part where I ask "Can you please help me understand what code >

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I did, waiting on his reply From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on behalf of Morey, Mike <mo...@bmwc.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 10:35 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Con

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Trying a picture a sprinkler surrounded by insulation - quite absurd. On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 9:32 AM, Travis Mack, SET wrote: > You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13. > > 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible > insulation shall not

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uesday, August 9, 2016 10:34:07 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space That was my point to him exactly. Mike From: Sprinklerforum <sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org> on behalf of Travis Mack, SET <tm...@m

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Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13. 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible insulation shall not require sprinkler protection Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271

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You have an AHJ that is missing a line of NFPA 13. 2013 edition: 8.15.1.2.7 Concealed spaces filled with noncombustible insulation shall not require sprinkler protection Travis Mack, SET MFP Design, LLC 2508 E Lodgepole Drive Gilbert, AZ 85298 480-505-9271 fax: 866-430-6107

RE: Combustible concealed space sprinklers

- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ed Kramer Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 8:22 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space sprinklers I'll be contacting the manufacturer later today to verify, but I

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-Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Tony Eggster Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 5:48 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space sprinklers In my opinion you're going to have

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In my opinion you're going to have to stick to manufacturer listing for these. I don't know of any type of exception. Fortunately they're only 4.2K factor so chances are, if this is a 13 system, your pendants will more than likely still be the driving factor depending on spacing and layout - even

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Ed, I think the only thing special about a COIN-type sprinkler is that, if spaced (and calc'd) correctly the patterns will overlap in a shallow depth. So if I were King, or better yet an AHJ, I would accept room design. Brad On Mar 14, 2016 5:25 PM, "Ed Kramer" wrote: >

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Hi Mark at Aero, I was going to reply, "No", about 30 seconds after Dewayne posted this question... "you could fill the attic with noncombustible insulation". Brad On Feb 11, 2016 6:48 AM, wrote: > Hi Dwayne, > Do the concrete planks have a fire rating, one hour, two

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Hi Dwayne, Do the concrete planks have a fire rating, one hour, two hour? If so, I believe you have a good argument for not installing sprinklers in the combustible concealed space. If not, sprinklers! Mark at Aero 602 820-7894 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2016, at 4:55 AM, "Dewayne

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forum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space > > Hi Mark at Aero, > > I was going to reply, "No", about 30 seconds after Dewayne posted this > question... "you could fill the attic with noncombustible insulation". > > Brad > On Feb 1

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...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Jim Davidson > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 5:11 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space > Dewayne, > If I remember correctly placing a wood frame roof structure on top of a > pre

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Dewayne, If I remember correctly placing a wood frame roof structure on top of a precast concrete structure changes the ISO building construction classification from Class 5 (modified fire-resistive construction) or Class 6 (fire-resistive construction) to Class 2 (joisted masonry) which can

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to install sprinklers in this space. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Jim Davidson Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 5:11 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space

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To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space Hi Mark at Aero, I was going to reply, "No", about 30 seconds after Dewayne posted this question... "you could fill the attic with noncombustible insulation". Brad On Feb 11, 2016 6:48 AM, <mphe...@aer

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Of Todd Williams Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2016 2:32 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space What clause in 13 are you using to justify eliminating sprinklers? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc

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ursday, February 11, 2016 2:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space Hi Mark at Aero, I was going to reply, "No", about 30 seconds after Dewayne posted this question... "you could fill the attic with noncombustible insulation". Br

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Sorry, the section is 8.15.1.2.16 Mike Hill -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hill Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 2:58 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Combustible Concealed Space

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I'd say no. There is only about 3 clear between the bottom and top of the framing. See figure 8.6.4.1.5.1 ('13). Ron F -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Gregory Lindholm Sent:

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Perfect. That is what I was thinking, but must have skimmed right past that part. Thanks From: rfletc...@aerofire.com To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 17:32:36 + I'd say no. There is only about 3 clear

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Tony, I am just getting started on a similar project, but not in Canada. I'm assuming the 2 side of the 2x4 is the vertical? My guess is that if you position the sprinklers at the the 1-1/2 to 4 down and center them between the trusses, that is going to be about the best you are going to get.

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, 2012 1:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply with NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 is building code as well as a sprinkler system installation

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Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 7:04 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space There are no NFPA 13 construction requirements. Yes, there are certain non-sprinkler pipe features that must get added when you choose a particular sprinkler solution. It's

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19, 2012 7:04 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space There are no NFPA 13 construction requirements. Yes, there are certain non-sprinkler pipe features that must get added when you choose a particular sprinkler solution. It's up to us to design

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...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 9:55 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space We have run unto the use of COIN sprinkler multiple times and every time it is a problem. I completely disagree with a listing

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- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Greg McGahan Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 8:55 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space We have run unto the use of COIN sprinkler multiple

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- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: December 18, 2012 11:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space Tyco's CC1 data sheet shows a C-UL listing (page 1) http

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Tyco's CC1 data sheet shows a C-UL listing (page 1) http://www.tyco-fire.com/TD_TFP/TFP/TFP630_07_2004.pdf Viking makes a concealed space head that is listed for use in Canada. (see pg 3) http://www.vikinggroupinc.com/databook/sprinklers/special/110503.pdf Matt Grisé PE*, LEED AP, NICET II

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It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply with NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 is building code as well as a sprinkler system installation standard? Ron Fletcher Aero Phoenix -Original Message- From:

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@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply with NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 is building code as well as a sprinkler system installation standard? Ron Fletcher Aero Phoenix

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i mean) -Original Message- From: rfletc...@aerofire.com [mailto:rfletc...@aerofire.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply

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18, 2012 1:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply with NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 is building code as well as a sprinkler system

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Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space It's another case of Architects designing buildings that don't comply with NFPA #13s' construction requirements. When will they learn that NFPA 13 is building code as well as a sprinkler system installation standard? Ron Fletcher Aero Phoenix

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to have a nice day :) (that still works, right? the insulation i mean) -Original Message- From: rfletc...@aerofire.com [mailto:rfletc...@aerofire.com**] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.**orgsprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible

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In regard to (1): I think the testing/listing of these sprinklers anticipate an obstructed environment. The Tyco's are limited to 10' and 12' max spacing, less than the 15' we're allowed for light and ordinary hazard SSU's and SSP's. I didn't take the time to look at Viking's, but I assume they

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the French invented the System Internationale, and decided MASS would be their ONE. In English, FORCE is ONE. Since pressure is force/area, and force is mass times acceleration, and 'most systems are installed on the Earth', why should sprinks convert? The beauty of multiples of ten is

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- From: rfletc...@aerofire.com [mailto:rfletc...@aerofire.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 1:51 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.orgsprinklerforum@** firesprinkler.org sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible Concealed Space It's another case of Architects

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...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of AKS-Gmail-IMAP Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 6:40 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space It is not tar. It is asphalt. As the saying goes, It's not my asphalt. It's your asphalt. But seriously someone has messed up big time

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Jay, A few years ago we had a case where the installing sprinkler contractor was brought into a lawsuit because of an old roof (wood on metal joist) was left in place when a new roof (wood on wood joist) was installed and at a later date a second story (wood frame) was added above the second

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What is the old roof construction? What is in the space between the old roof and the new floor which is combustible? At 07:13 AM 12/3/2012, you wrote: We have a nursing home with a setup that I have not seen before. It looks like the building was 2 floors originally and they added a third

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not even get in to see what's there. Jay Stough, SET From: Todd Williams t...@fpdc.com To: Jay Stough jaycs7...@yahoo.com; sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 7:21 AM Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space What

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Williams t...@fpdc.com To: Jay Stough jaycs7...@yahoo.com; sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 7:21 AM Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space What is the old roof construction? What is in the space between the old roof and the new floor which is combustible

Re: Combustible concealed space 8.15.1.6 (2007)

I never saw anything in the coin's listing saying that the concealed space sprinklers had to be separated from quick response sprinklers by a draft stop so why not just extend a quick response 4.2K into the larger area? --- On Fri, 6/22/12, rfletc...@aerofire.com rfletc...@aerofire.com wrote:

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...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Ralphy Henderson Sent: Friday, June 22, 2012 2:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space 8.15.1.6 (2007) I never saw anything in the coin's listing saying that the concealed space sprinklers had to be separated from quick

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What do you mean by un-faced combustible insulation? No paper backing? I have come across a situation a few times where the combustible concealed space was filled with foam insulation. I haven't checked, but woud think the foam is combustible. Anyway, I compared it to solid wood joist with

Re: Combustible concealed space under stairs

I've run into this often. Two alternatives to the problem are to either fill the space with non-combustible isolation of seal the combustible material with a noncombustible surface. If done correctly it's no worse (fire wise) than continuing sheetrock on woods studs and encapsulating them where

Re: Combustible concealed space under stairs

Are the stairs combustible construction? If they are, sprinkler protection is required regardless. See NFPA 13, 2007 Edition, 8.15.3.1 Benjamin Young On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.comwrote: I've run into this often. Two alternatives to the problem are to

RE: Combustible concealed space under stairs

Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space under stairs Are the stairs combustible construction? If they are, sprinkler protection is required regardless. See NFPA 13, 2007 Edition, 8.15.3.1 Benjamin Young On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Ron Greenman rongreen...@gmail.comwrote: I've run

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I think this would be a great topic for a webinar. TD ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org http://fireball.firesprinkler.org/mailman/listinfo/sprinklerforum For Technical Assistance, send an email to:

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We keep running into buildings with dormers on top of roofs in which there are not sprinklers. They are sometimes not visible from the inside and you only know they are there from the outside. There is no exception that I know to omit sprinklers in these areas, but should there be? Greg On

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Those spaces need to be sprinklered. Should they be is a matter of conjecture. As the standard reads now, a 1 ft x 6 combustible concealed space would need to be sprinkelred if none of the exceptions are met. A maximum size exception, similar to what they have for vertical shafts is worthy of

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@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space Those spaces need to be sprinklered. Should they be is a matter of conjecture. As the standard reads now, a 1 ft x 6 combustible concealed space would need to be sprinkelred if none of the exceptions are met. A maximum size exception, similar to what

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: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Todd Williams Sent: June 10, 2010 7:07 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space Those spaces need to be sprinklered. Should they be is a matter

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] On Behalf Of Fletcher, Ron Sent: March 16, 2010 1:20 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space Logic? Try this. Shell retail space with 4-12 pitch wood roof. Rough in core and shell system for OH2 at 10 ft. x 12 ft. spacing. Tenant installs a suspended ceiling

RE: Combustible concealed space

...@ch2m.com http://www.ch2m.com -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of A.P.Silva Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:31 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space

RE: Combustible concealed space

Of A.P.Silva Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:31 PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space Any other comments? Is NFPA 13 2002, 8.6.4.1.4 applicable only if the space is concealed? If so, will a mech. room built in an attic be considered concealed

RE: Combustible concealed space

Logic? Try this. Shell retail space with 4-12 pitch wood roof. Rough in core and shell system for OH2 at 10 ft. x 12 ft. spacing. Tenant installs a suspended ceiling. The attic is now light hazard combustible concealed space that must comply with 8.6.4.1.4. A lesser hazard yet the OH2 design is

RE: Combustible concealed space

Sent: March 16, 2010 1:20, PM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Combustible concealed space Logic? Try this. Shell retail space with 4-12 pitch wood roof. Rough in core and shell system for OH2 at 10 ft. x 12 ft. spacing. Tenant installs a suspended ceiling. The attic is now light

Re: Combustible Concealed Space

In the 2010 edition the issue of an air gap was finally addressed. Look at 8.15.1.2.17. Unfortunately, the TC narrowly focused on this one proposal and did not expand it to the other allowances that it reasonable applies to. As such, that conversation needs to be had with the AHJ before

RE: Combustible concealed space

Thanks. Tony -Original Message- From: sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Roland Huggins Sent: January 22, 2010 11:09 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space look at the new

Re: Combustible concealed space

It could be that this wood deck,depending on the thickness,could be considered Heavy Timber which would render it equal to non-comb.Contact the architect and ask this to get his ruling.I just finished a church that was changed from a steel beam girder structure to heavy timber to achieve a better

RE: Combustible concealed space

Of lamarvau...@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Cc: Cliff Whitfield Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space It could be that this wood deck,depending on the thickness,could be considered Heavy Timber which would render it equal to non-comb.Contact

RE: Combustible concealed space

...@firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of lamarvau...@charter.net Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 7:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@firesprinkler.org Cc: Cliff Whitfield Subject: Re: Combustible concealed space It could be that this wood deck,depending on the thickness,could be considered Heavy Timber which would

Re: Combustible concealed space

Is the insulation paper faced? Would that make a difference in terms of combustibility? If the insulation makes it a n/c space, why the 3000? Sent from my iPhone On Oct 26, 2009, at 11:37 AM, Cliff Whitfield cl...@fire- design.com wrote: Forumites, I have a project that has steel roof

RE: Combustible Concealed Space Sprinklers

We don't run into this very often so I read the section you refer to. 8.15.1.6 refers to wood truss or wood joist construction. You have TJI which is composite wood joist construction. As supporting evidence A.3.7.1 clearly has separate definitions. Composite is not a subset of straight wood

Re: Combustible Concealed Space Sprinklers

I recommend you call Tyco tech support. I had a similar situation recently -- the construction details did not exactly match the one choice on the tech data sheet which pictures TJI's -- and I was told to use the CC2 sprinkler. This was not a quick, off-the-cuff answer. Time was taken and more

RE: Combustible Concealed Space Sprinklers

Yes! SSU's Thom McMahon, SET Firetech, Inc. 2560 Copper Ridge Dr P.O. Box 882136 Steamboat Springs, CO 80488 Tel: 970-879-7952 Fax: 970-879-7926 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Knight Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2008 2:53 PM To:

Re: Combustible Concealed Space Sprinklers

, 2008 6:34 PM Subject: Re: Combustible Concealed Space Sprinklers I recommend you call Tyco tech support. I had a similar situation recently -- the construction details did not exactly match the one choice on the tech data sheet which pictures TJI's -- and I was told to use the CC2 sprinkler

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