Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-21 Thread Daniel
Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in chrome://messenger/content/start.xhtml but

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-17 Thread Andrea Govoni
I hate to betray my own words but I cannot resist the temptation… '-_- On 14/02/10 18:03, Benoit Renard wrote: That's not the message I was referring to, though the message I am referring to is quoted in it. I'm referring to this passage: I have tabs turned off for now. But everything opens

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-17 Thread Daniel
Daniel wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-17 Thread Daniel
Andrea Govoni wrote: On 15/02/10 12:42, Daniel wrote: Andrea, are we talking about the same thing?? After reading this message, I don't think so. Two situations. Whilst you are reading here, you also have your browser open set to whatever your home page may be. You then click on the above

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-16 Thread Daniel
Benoit Renard wrote: Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-15 Thread Daniel
Andrea Govoni wrote: Ray_Net, I promise this is my last message in this thread. Il 12/02/10 14:58, Daniel ha scritto: Andrea, Phillip's message, in which he claims New Windows are ten times faster than New Tabs is 16th in this chain. So, you are referring to this [1] message. Well, by

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-15 Thread Daniel
Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-15 Thread Benoit Renard
Daniel wrote: Ray_Net wrote: Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-14 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: Ray_Net, I promise this is my last message in this thread. Il 12/02/10 14:58, Daniel ha scritto: Andrea, Phillip's message, in which he claims New Windows are ten times faster than New Tabs is 16th in this chain. So, you are referring to this [1] message. Well, by

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-12 Thread Daniel
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 08/02/10 22:19, Benoit Renard ha scritto: Then again, Philip Jones has claimed that new windows are faster than new tabs, which is objectively wrong. Really? On this thread? Can you point me to the message where he claimed it? I cannot find it on this thread at the

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey--No Way

2010-02-12 Thread Mike C
Mike C wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Rod Lovett wrote: /snip/ What addons are you waiting for? Unless you are waiting for something like Multizilla, which will probably never ladn for SM 2, I have found every addon I've used in a form that

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-12 Thread Andrea Govoni
Ray_Net, I promise this is my last message in this thread. Il 12/02/10 14:58, Daniel ha scritto: Andrea, Phillip's message, in which he claims New Windows are ten times faster than New Tabs is 16th in this chain. So, you are referring to this [1] message. Well, by reading that message (ALL

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Daniel
Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in chrome://messenger/content/start.xhtml but I don't know

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey--No Way

2010-02-11 Thread Mike C
Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Rod Lovett wrote: Hi, with due respect, but no way!!! seamonkey 2.0.x is great I am now using Seamonkey 2.0.4pre 64 bit in 64 bit Sidux moros, which is debian unstable with considerable help, and what is really clever, SM is now a rolling release browser

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Ray_Net
Daniel wrote: Jens Hatlak wrote: Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in chrome://messenger/content/start.xhtml but

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Andrea Govoni
Il 07/02/10 21:09, Phillip Jones ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: Did you try to have a run with all your extensions disabled? yes with all extensions off or on. Maybe you could try to install Crash Report Helper [1] nonetheless. It will not be of any help with crashes caused by the

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Andrea Govoni
Il 08/02/10 22:19, Benoit Renard ha scritto: Then again, Philip Jones has claimed that new windows are faster than new tabs, which is objectively wrong. Really? On this thread? Can you point me to the message where he claimed it? I cannot find it on this thread at the moment. -- Andrea

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Ray_Net
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 08/02/10 22:19, Benoit Renard ha scritto: Then again, Philip Jones has claimed that new windows are faster than new tabs, which is objectively wrong. Really? On this thread? Can you point me to the message where he claimed it? I cannot find it on this thread at the

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Ray_Net
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 07/02/10 21:09, Phillip Jones ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: Did you try to have a run with all your extensions disabled? yes with all extensions off or on. Maybe you could try to install Crash Report Helper [1] nonetheless. It will not be of any help with

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey--No Way

2010-02-11 Thread Leonidas Jones
Mike C wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Rod Lovett wrote: /snip/ What addons are you waiting for? Unless you are waiting for something like Multizilla, which will probably never ladn for SM 2, I have found every addon I've used in a form that works fine with 2.0.x. Let us know wat

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Phillip Jones
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 07/02/10 21:09, Phillip Jones ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: Did you try to have a run with all your extensions disabled? yes with all extensions off or on. Maybe you could try to install Crash Report Helper [1] nonetheless. It will not be of any help with

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-11 Thread Phillip Jones
Phillip Jones wrote: Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 07/02/10 21:09, Phillip Jones ha scritto: Andrea Govoni wrote: Did you try to have a run with all your extensions disabled? yes with all extensions off or on. Maybe you could try to install Crash Report Helper [1] nonetheless. It will not be

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey--No Way

2010-02-11 Thread Mike C
Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: Mike C wrote: Rod Lovett wrote: /snip/ What addons are you waiting for? Unless you are waiting for something like Multizilla, which will probably never ladn for SM 2, I have found every addon I've used in a form that works fine with

OT ISP's (was: Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-10 Thread Daniel
Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: Snip ...OTOH, they made a SERIOUS mess of upgrading our e-mail service - took a month or two to get that sorted, but they seem to have it fixed. Hey, Rufus, did you get lots of e-mails

Re: Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-10 Thread Stefan
Rufus skriver: Most of the things that annoyed me about the new default theme had to do with it's cursor/click hot areas - there was/is a lot of area in the taskbar where I felt I should have been able to right click (cntrl+click) that were/are dead...so that was both non-intuitive and

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-10 Thread Jens Hatlak
Daniel wrote: Several times, over the years, I have suggested that there *SHOULD* be a clickable link as part of the Mail Newsgroup splash screen, but, sadly, I'm still waiting. The alteration would have to happen in chrome://messenger/content/start.xhtml but I don't know how to do it.

Re: Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-10 Thread Phillip Jones
Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: Most of the things that annoyed me about the new default theme had to do with it's cursor/click hot areas - there was/is a lot of area in the taskbar where I felt I should have been able to right click (cntrl+click) that were/are dead...so that was both

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey--No Way

2010-02-10 Thread Mike C
Rod Lovett wrote: Hi, with due respect, but no way!!! seamonkey 2.0.x is great I am now using Seamonkey 2.0.4pre 64 bit in 64 bit Sidux moros, which is debian unstable with considerable help, and what is really clever, SM is now a rolling release browser that updates itself. The

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey--No Way

2010-02-10 Thread Leonidas Jones
Mike C wrote: Rod Lovett wrote: Hi, with due respect, but no way!!! seamonkey 2.0.x is great I am now using Seamonkey 2.0.4pre 64 bit in 64 bit Sidux moros, which is debian unstable with considerable help, and what is really clever, SM is now a rolling release browser that updates itself. The

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-10 Thread Rufus
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-09 9:29 PM, Rufus wrote: My argument is that the collective opinions of any userbase in any discussion forum is the best dataset for user experience, and that to ignore it - in any venue - is folly in the long run. No matter what your hired gun may say. Then we're

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rick Merrill
Ubiquity wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: * A forum like this requires knowing how to use newsgroups. something you know nothing about Many people use the word forum to refer to website based groups. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread BJ
Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? Seriously, unless you took a poll of the userbase with a question like Do you think posters on the SM NG represent your concerns, and the majority answered No, your statement

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Daniel
Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-08 9:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-07 4:10 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: You said your users are your best user experience people. Users communicate what is on their minds, not the workarounds they have gotten used to.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Philip Chee
On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty much a minority interest. Most internet users

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Robert Kaiser
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty much a minority interest.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread BJ
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty much a minority interest.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Phillip Jones
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty much a minority interest.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Phillip Jones
Robert Kaiser wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-09 5:10 AM, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? Seriously, unless you took a poll of the userbase with a question like Do you think posters on the SM NG represent your concerns, and the

Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-09 Thread Stefan
Rufus skriver: I was, and surprisingly so...I immediately liked the tabs, and everything was where I would have expected it to be on a Mac. It also didn't seem like I lost any functionality for what I do with TB like I did with SM 2.x.x, and that was also of note. It's funny that you mention

Re: Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-09 Thread Phillip Jones
Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: I was, and surprisingly so...I immediately liked the tabs, and everything was where I would have expected it to be on a Mac. It also didn't seem like I lost any functionality for what I do with TB like I did with SM 2.x.x, and that was also of note. It's funny

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Benoit Renard
Chris Ilias wrote: Personally, I've never used the Forms Manager...but the only reason I haven't that I can determine now that I'm reading so much displeasure about it's removal is that I couldn't determine if information it stores is encrypted or not. If it was and a dialog box had told me

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Phillip Jones
Benoit Renard wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: Personally, I've never used the Forms Manager...but the only reason I haven't that I can determine now that I'm reading so much displeasure about it's removal is that I couldn't determine if information it stores is encrypted or not. If it was and a

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-09 12:57 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: SO unless the knowledge to use a newsgroup is common knowledge, the users here are not the best user experience people. This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. Then what's it here

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Rick Merrill wrote: Ubiquity wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: * A forum like this requires knowing how to use newsgroups. something you know nothing about Many people use the word forum to refer to website based groups. I use forum to refer to any manner though which discussion can take

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-08 9:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-07 4:10 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: You said your users are your best user experience people. Users communicate what is on their minds, not the workarounds they have gotten

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty much a minority interest.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
BJ wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:10:25 -0700, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? The sad fact is that nowadays usenet and nntp newsgroups in general are now pretty much a

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-09 5:10 AM, BJ wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. How do you know that? Seriously, unless you took a poll of the userbase with a question like Do you think posters on the SM NG represent your

Re: Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-09 Thread NoOp
On 02/09/2010 01:46 PM, Stefan wrote: ... Oh, right: Please do not hijack this new thread with non-mac stuff ;-) /Stefan Oh BTW 'Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey' is *not* a new thread... you've simply added to the existing thread by changing the subject. Why don't you take a clue

Re: Mac theme (Re: Goodbye Seamonkey)

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Stefan wrote: Rufus skriver: I was, and surprisingly so...I immediately liked the tabs, and everything was where I would have expected it to be on a Mac. It also didn't seem like I lost any functionality for what I do with TB like I did with SM 2.x.x, and that was also of note. It's funny

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Rufus
Phillip Jones wrote: Benoit Renard wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: Personally, I've never used the Forms Manager...but the only reason I haven't that I can determine now that I'm reading so much displeasure about it's removal is that I couldn't determine if information it stores is encrypted or

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 2/8/2010 5:32 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:50:34 -0500, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 2/6/2010 11:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-09 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-09 9:29 PM, Rufus wrote: My argument is that the collective opinions of any userbase in any discussion forum is the best dataset for user experience, and that to ignore it - in any venue - is folly in the long run. No matter what your hired gun may say. Then we're going in circles.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 22:50:34 -0500, Justin Wood (Callek) wrote: On 2/6/2010 11:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it -

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Daniel
Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:33 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:06 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 11:50 PM, Rufus wrote: snip I know there's a SM roadmap (it's been mentioned), but I can't tell how or on

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread BeeNeR
On or about 2/7/2010 10:50 PM, Justin Wood (Callek) typed the following: On 2/6/2010 11:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: Philip Jones is talking about SeaMonkey performance when opening external links (like links from the mailnews SeaMonkey component) in the *same window* as opposed to opening them in *new windows*. Lee tested opening external links in *new windows* as opposed to opening them

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-07 4:10 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: You said your users are your best user experience people. Users communicate what is on their minds, not the workarounds they have gotten used to. What's on their mind is their experience. A forum like this is where people come primarily to

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Ubiquity
Chris Ilias wrote: * A forum like this requires knowing how to use newsgroups. something you know nothing about ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-08 9:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-07 4:10 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: You said your users are your best user experience people. Users communicate what is on their minds, not the workarounds they have gotten used to. What's on their mind is their

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Rufus
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-08 9:07 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-07 4:10 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: You said your users are your best user experience people. Users communicate what is on their minds, not the workarounds they have gotten used to. What's on their

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-08 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-09 12:57 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: SO unless the knowledge to use a newsgroup is common knowledge, the users here are not the best user experience people. This newsgroup is not an accurate representation of the SeaMonkey userbase. Then what's it here for? I think people who

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread BeeNeR
On or about 2/6/2010 11:25 PM, Philip Chee typed the following: On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it - and who knows what our community is

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Andrea Govoni
Il 04/02/10 04:49, Phillip Jones ha scritto: Actually the shorter post are more likely to cause the crash. Did you try to have a run with all your extensions disabled? SeaMonkey crashes/hangs very rarely on my machine (PowerBook g...@867mhz with Mac OS X 10.5.8) and when it does is almost

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Andrea Govoni
Il 31/01/10 00:28, Phillip Jones ha scritto: I am unsure, iCab I don't know if it webkit or Gecko. iCab 4.x is WebKit based. iCab 3.x and below is based on a proprietary rendering engine. Best regards, -- Andrea XFox Govoni AIM/iChat/ICQ: x...@mac.com Yahoo! ID: xfox82 Skype Name: draykan

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Andrea Govoni
On 01/02/10 09:06, John Doue wrote: So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to have the install routine display a notice of our existence? Better yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu? Actually, each time you install or update SeaMonkey and open the

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Benoit Renard
Andrea Govoni wrote: On 01/02/10 09:06, John Doue wrote: So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to have the install routine display a notice of our existence? Better yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu? Actually, each time you install or update

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Phillip Jones
Andrea Govoni wrote: Il 31/01/10 00:28, Phillip Jones ha scritto: I am unsure, iCab I don't know if it webkit or Gecko. iCab 4.x is WebKit based. iCab 3.x and below is based on a proprietary rendering engine. Best regards, version I have is 4.7 -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-05 12:33 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:06 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 11:50 PM, Rufus wrote: ...funny you should say. I said something very similar about workarounds requiring the user to fiddle around with about:config and pretty much got

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Andrea Govoni
On 02/02/10 12:44, Daniel wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: I cleared the cache, and opened my my.myway start page. I opened 20 links in tabs, 10 were my.myway pages, and ten were external links. I then cleared the cache, and repeated with opening new windows. Please

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Rufus
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:33 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:06 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 11:50 PM, Rufus wrote: ...funny you should say. I said something very similar about workarounds requiring the user to fiddle around with about:config

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Justin Wood (Callek)
On 2/6/2010 11:25 PM, Philip Chee wrote: On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it - and who knows what our community is able to do...

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Daniel
Andrea Govoni wrote: On 01/02/10 09:06, John Doue wrote: So forgive me for asking the obvious, but would not it be possible to have the install routine display a notice of our existence? Better yet, to have it included somehow in the Help menu? Actually, each time you install or update

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Daniel
Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:33 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:06 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 11:50 PM, Rufus wrote: snip I know there's a SM roadmap (it's been mentioned), but I can't tell how or on what basis the team develops

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-07 Thread Rufus
Daniel wrote: Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:33 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-05 12:06 AM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 11:50 PM, Rufus wrote: snip I know there's a SM roadmap (it's been mentioned), but I can't tell how or on what basis the

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread BeeNeR
On or about 2/3/2010 6:28 AM, BeeNeR typed the following: S N I P Anyhow, I'm more than happy with an integrated net program such as SeaMonkey. I wasn't too happy with 2.0.0, but when I was able to get the password problem solved (don't use one) and the auto-mail

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread Robert Kaiser
BeeNeR wrote: 2.0.3 has fixed the delete address problem - now *if* only the 'QUICKSTART' button would be re-instated. (: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it - and who knows what our community is able

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 4/2/2010 23:45, Rufus told the world: In that between Mozilla, Fire Fox, Goggle Chrome, Camino, Safari, et. al. there are SO many things that look the same and/or function the same. Which leads to the thought that many of these people are obviously cooperating and

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread MCBastos
Interviewed by CNN on 5/2/2010 02:59, Rufus told the world: Where I get confused is that I read a lot of posts here that fall back on - but we're just all volunteers, the other guys are paid...which comes off sounding like I should expect less. What I really think is that everyone

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 4/2/2010 23:45, Rufus told the world: In that between Mozilla, Fire Fox, Goggle Chrome, Camino, Safari, et. al. there are SO many things that look the same and/or function the same. Which leads to the thought that many of these people are obviously

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread Rufus
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 5/2/2010 02:59, Rufus told the world: Where I get confused is that I read a lot of posts here that fall back on - but we're just all volunteers, the other guys are paid...which comes off sounding like I should expect less. What I really think is that

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread Philip Chee
On Sat, 06 Feb 2010 23:56:53 +0100, Robert Kaiser wrote: Good to hear! The quickstart stuff won't come back in 2.0.x though, unless someone comes up with a creative add-on that does it - and who knows what our community is able to do... https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/2831

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-06 Thread Philip Chee
On Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:08:43 -0200, MCBastos wrote: And a third reason is that when Apple decided to create their own browsers, they hired people who previously worked on Mozilla -- being a volunteer project, there was a lot of expertise around not tied by contracts. Similarly, Google hired a

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Robert Kaiser wrote: Bill Davidsen schrieb: I still find it useful, but the two things I find most missing are never going to be there because they are not in the base codes of FF and TB. Unless someone comes up and writes code that implements them based on the SM2 base - and everyone is

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-05 Thread Robert Kaiser
Bill Davidsen wrote: Seamonkey had the chance at 2.x to go in another direction, and chose to continue using the old software in a slightly updated form, while a number of other browsers went with webkit. And it may never have been in play, however you choose to define that, but I believe that I

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread BJ
Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:31:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: Maybe that team has more Mac users on it or something, but from my Mac user standpoint they got a lot of stuff right. Kudos to them. Their team has at least two Mac users, one full time graphics designer, and one full time

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Philip Chee
On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:42:17 -0800, Rufus wrote: ... but that's something you're going to have to explain to me - all this hired vs volunteer stuff. Who's who, and how are they doing what? http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/about/staff/ http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/about/board/

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Jay Garcia
On 03.02.2010 23:42, Rufus wrote: --- Original Message --- Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:31:15 -0800, Rufus wrote: Maybe that team has more Mac users on it or something, but from my Mac user standpoint they got a lot of stuff right. Kudos to them. Their team has at least two

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-04 12:42 AM, Rufus wrote: Well, to start with, your users are your best user experience people, some seem to get that and some don't... Okay, riddle me this: Do you back up your SeaMonkey data on a regular basis? If so, how? -- Chris Ilias http://ilias.ca List-owner:

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-04 6:30 AM, BJ wrote: What the heck is a User Experience person? I mean, what do they do all day? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience_design For instance, where should Reply and Forward buttons be? Where should the 'new tab' button be? When a download is finished, should we

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Rufus
Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 12:42 AM, Rufus wrote: Well, to start with, your users are your best user experience people, some seem to get that and some don't... Okay, riddle me this: Do you back up your SeaMonkey data on a regular basis? If so, how? Only my Bookmarks file - there was

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread S. Beaulieu
Rufus a écrit : On a Mac it's very easy to back up an entire Profile - I just drag and drop it's entire contents onto another disk. If I need to reinstate that profile, I delete the previous folder and let SM build a new default - then I drop in the contents of my backup. Dunno what you would

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread »Q«
In news:ykudntlrs7kqrpbwnz2dnuvz_oedn...@mozilla.org, Rufus n...@home.com wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:42:17 -0800, Rufus wrote: ... but that's something you're going to have to explain to me - all this hired vs volunteer stuff. Who's who, and how are they doing

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Leonidas Jones
Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 12:42 AM, Rufus wrote: Well, to start with, your users are your best user experience people, some seem to get that and some don't... Okay, riddle me this: Do you back up your SeaMonkey data on a regular basis? If so, how? Only my Bookmarks file

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Phillip Jones
Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:42:17 -0800, Rufus wrote: ... but that's something you're going to have to explain to me - all this hired vs volunteer stuff. Who's who, and how are they doing what? http://www.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/about/staff/

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Rufus
S. Beaulieu wrote: Rufus a écrit : On a Mac it's very easy to back up an entire Profile - I just drag and drop it's entire contents onto another disk. If I need to reinstate that profile, I delete the previous folder and let SM build a new default - then I drop in the contents of my backup.

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Rufus
»Q« wrote: In news:ykudntlrs7kqrpbwnz2dnuvz_oedn...@mozilla.org, Rufus n...@home.com wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:42:17 -0800, Rufus wrote: ... but that's something you're going to have to explain to me - all this hired vs volunteer stuff. Who's who, and how are they

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Rufus
Phillip Jones wrote: Rufus wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:42:17 -0800, Rufus wrote: I thought Mozilla was a open source project...did that stop?..which was why I though everybody doing this stuff (other than Apple with Safari) were volunteers... ...ok, so now we're lead

Re: Goodbye Seamonkey

2010-02-04 Thread Chris Ilias
On 10-02-04 3:57 PM, Rufus wrote: Chris Ilias wrote: On 10-02-04 6:30 AM, BJ wrote: What the heck is a User Experience person? I mean, what do they do all day? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience_design For instance, where should Reply and Forward buttons be? Where should the 'new

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