Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

2004-04-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
From: "Blaine Borrowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> You see everything through dark glasses, Perry, sorry I can't help you Blaine Is it possible that the reason that it appears that I see everything (everything LDS) through dark glasses is I am looking at dark things? Is it possible that since I have

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 10:56:21 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The way I understand it John "love from a pure heart is the goal of the instruction" and the reality is that we are inadequate and unable to love the way God does without a lot of help. We don't love Him the

[TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]judyt  -- did you answer this?   John   jt: I thought so but maybe it went astray..    [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: If something is not in line with what is written in the law and prophets we can know it is darkness and error which is why we need to understand God's

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>jt: You may sin but you should not possess sin, nor should sin possess you.  We must learn to hate evil and to separate ourselves.  So whenever we do slip we go to our advocate and repent; this is how we overcome.  Put on righteousness and sin not   B

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

2004-04-02 Thread Kevin Deegan
See you on North temple tommorow Blaine? Blaine Borrowman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You see everything through dark glasses, Perry, sorry I can't help you.Blaine- Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:25 P

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:09:55 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Her revelatory experience powerfully parallels JSs--they share a non-biblical semi-sinister authoritarian mystique projected from an unknown mind--about like DavidM/Plato, Bill/Lance/Polanyi do it--very nicely.

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
BT: I'll let you have the last word, Judy. I'm sure you say it better than anything I could say against it.   JT: We don't need to be honest about our shortcomings, they see them. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02,

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
judyt  -- did you answer this?   John In a message dated 4/2/2004 2:57:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/2/2004 2:27:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If something is not in line with what is written in the law and prophets

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Judy says  >  I used to believe that anyone who claimed to be Christian should be perfect.    Judy, I think there are unbelievers who still believe this. Do you believe that maybe the language Christians use -- for instance, "Christian perfection" -- m

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:38:14 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whatever they were I believe God's Truth survives in spite of all that I agree, of course.   The point is this: if good (the translation of the KJV) came from this sorry situation,  certainly God's grace wil

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:32:41 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't know whether or not I agree because I don't know what your definition of grace is John. If when you say grace you mean "unmerited favor to cover sin" Is your definition of the greek translated "grace

Re: [TruthTalk] Rated "R"

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:37:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: RECENTLY HEARD ON THE MORNING LIGHT SHOW:  Why "The Passion of Christ" is Rated R Izzy  -- you scooped these folks.   Good show.   John

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
JT   >  You may sin but you should not possess sin, nor should sin possess you.  We must learn to hate evil and to separate ourselves. So whenever we do slip we go to our advocate and repent; this is how we overcome.  Put on righteousness and sin not   BT: I'm not sure exactly what you

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
  From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy says  >  I used to believe that anyone who claimed to be Christian should be perfect.    Judy, I think there are unbelievers who still believe this. Do you believe that maybe the language Christians use -- for instance, "Christian per

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No thanks Billt - I don't want to look like Polanyi, Torrance, Mounce, Robertson et al. and anyway under the New Covenant   john: Some of these people, or folks just like them, gave you your Bible.  It came from their effort.  The KJ wasn't

Re: [TruthTalk] Rated "R"

2004-04-02 Thread Marlin Halverson
RECENTLY HEARD ON THE MORNING LIGHT SHOW: Why "The Passion of Christ" is Rated R The "R" of course is because of the violence, the gore. In movie terms "R" stands for RESTRICTED, but in this movie "R" stands for RELEVANT, for REALISTIC, for it REALLY happened

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My goal is spiritual maturity so that I am able to walk consistently in God's blessings and I do believe this is attainable on this side of death.  jt   john: Absolutely but God's grace covers less than that until it happens.  I am guessing

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No that's not exactly what I'm saying - do you have a big problem with the KJV?  It's been at the top of the pile for more than 400yrs and I don't know of a new one that can hold a candle to it for the beauty of it's prose and its understan

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
- Forwarded Message -From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Salvation is present progressive   john: boy, I"M confused.   Salvation by faith apart from works people believe this.  So I as a Christ can and do possess sin and that is the way it should be (or is) as long as I

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy says  >  I used to believe that anyone who claimed to be Christian should be perfect.  I think there are unbelievers who still believe this. Do you believe that maybe the language Christians use -- for instance, "Christian perfection" -- may be fuel

Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america

2004-04-02 Thread Blaine Borrowman
You see everything through dark glasses, Perry, sorry I can't help you. Blaine - Original Message - From: "Charles Perry Locke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Blaines Lost sheep of america > >From: "Blaine Borr

RE: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Great poem, John.  Very poignant. (However, I thought God was a St. Louis Cardinal!!!) Can we see a photo of you with shaved legs, please? Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:11 PM To: [

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Only those who can lose their salvation. GO CUBS!! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:58 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and... In a message dated 4/2/2004 5

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: GOD IS A CUBS FAN Wow -- if this gets out, I fear many will become atheist. John

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Thank you, thank you, my brother. You have helped me see the error of my ways. Why couldn't I see this sooner? You are right!!!   GOD IS A CUBS FAN! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:36 PM Subject:

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:32:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: EVERY CHRISTIAN KNOWS HE'S A CARDINALS FAN! Now  I know why you believe in salvation by grace. J

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Now I KNOW you ain't no Christian -- talkin that way about God.   EVERY CHRISTIAN KNOWS HE'S A CARDINALS FAN! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Adm

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
A poem  -  I am working on this "I am a nice guy" image.  I tainted that image somewhat so I have shaved my legs (in pentence) and wrote this poem: Dodger Blue I was walking with the Lord And He was talking to me Walking and talking, hoping I'd see A Cloud by day, a pillar by night, But I j

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-02 Thread ttxpress
Your's is an argument from emotion, DaveH; a subtle justification for liars lying based on the notion that you have an affintity/preference/nature akin to theirs--you are in them, they are in you, and none of you can afford to prove your philosophers wrong.   'Theirs' includes, e.g., Izzy.

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 3:17:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No thanks Billt - I don't want to look like Polanyi, Torrance, Mounce, Robertson et al. and anyway under the New Covenant Some of these people, or folks just like them, gave you your Bible.  It came from th

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 4:06:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My goal is spiritual maturity so that I am able to walk consistently in God's blessings and I do believe this is attainable on this side of death.  jt Absolutely but God's grace covers less than that until

Re: [TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 3:24:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No that's not exactly what I'm saying - do you have a big problem with the KJV?  It's been at the top of the pile for more than 400yrs and I don't know of a new one that can hold a candle to it for the beauty

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 3:43:38 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Salvation is present progressive boy, I"M confused.   Salvation by faith apart from works people believe this.  So I as a Christ can and do possess sin and that is the way it should be (or is) as long as I am

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy says  >  I used to believe that anyone who claimed to be Christian should be perfect   I think there are unbelievers who still believe this. Do you believe that maybe the language Christians use -- for instance, "Christian perfection" -- may be fueling the misunderstanding? Do you beli

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
  - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 5:04 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil? Billt: Judy, So when saying you agree with DavidM, you do not really mean you agree with his use of the term

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>PS, when I say "deceptive" I am not meaning deceptive in an evil sense but deceptive in that it is misleading to the one who hears you say it but still sees you sinning. jt: Only misleading if I claim to be where I'm not; I don't think it misleading to s

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Billt: Judy, So when saying you agree with DavidM, you do not really mean you agree with his use of the term Christian perfection. Is that what I should understand you to be saying?   jt: I don't really understand the outworking of what DavidM believes, I thought he was talking about sancti

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
PS, when I say "deceptive" I am not meaning deceptive in an evil sense but deceptive in that it is misleading to the one who hears you say it but still sees you sinning. - Original Message - From: Wm. Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 4:50

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy,   So when saying you agree with DavidM, you do not really mean you agree with his use of the term Christian perfection. Is that what I should understand you to be saying? Because I don't think we have to wallow in the mud either. I do think there is less deceptive ways of saying that t

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
  Billt: Judy, Allow me to expand a little bit. Maybe this will help me to understand the term.  Judy says  All truth is not positive and all error is not negative - and noone has arrived that I know of so far. Judy, how does this statement jive with your Christian perfectionism? Doesn't t

[TruthTalk] Perverting the words of the living God

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Many errors and ommissions and the reason they were stored away was probably because they weren't the best manuscripts and so didn't get worn out.   john: Are you saying that the mss discovered after the KJV translation was completed aren't reliable!   So we ha

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy,   Allow me to expand a little bit. Maybe this will help me to understand the term.   Judy says  >>   All truth is not positive and all error is not negative - and noone has arrived that I know of so far.   Judy, how does this statement jive with your Christian perfectionism? Doesn't t

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Judy says All truth is not positive and all error is not negative - and noone has arrived that I know of so far.   Billt: Judy, how does this statement jive with your Christian perfectionism?   jt: I'm not sure what you perceive to be my "Christian pefectionism" Bill. I don't think it

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
  Judy says   >  Why is it that you, and Billt like to counsel and evaluate so much David?  Why not deal with the issues rather than the person? Are big words and semantic arguments always helpful?  Why did Jesus Creater of the Universe speak in Aramaic the common language of the people?

Re: [TruthTalk] APPEAL TO THE WORD OF GOD...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 11:47:11 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:35:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Explain last sentence: "God Himself" "Theological statements operate with what we may call open concepts-concepts whi

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
  Judy says  >>   All truth is not positive and all error is not negative - and noone has arrived that I know of so far.   Judy, how does this statement jive with your Christian perfectionism? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Frid

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Wm. Taylor
Judy says   >  Why is it that you, and Billt like to counsel and evaluate so much David?  Why not deal with the issues rather than the person? Are big words and semantic arguments always helpful?  Why did Jesus Creater of the Universe speak in Aramaic the common language of the people? . . .

RE: [TruthTalk] Rated "R"

2004-04-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
By the way, I'm enjoying the heavy theological discussions, even though they are over my head. I'm only a cat, after all. Izzy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Rated "R" Amen sister!!! Good pre

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 2:27:08 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If something is not in line with what is written in the law and prophets we can know it is darkness and error which is why we need to understand God's Word and learn to know His Ways.   If I can't be wrong a

[TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:58:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct but the plumbline by which we evaluate is not semantics Greek Words etc.  It is Isaiah 8:20.  jt john: How does this solve the problem if we undersand the problem to be a sense of assurance abou

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Judy wrote:... when I hear someone speak on that level with  understanding that can only come from God - I  listen.  But when someone tries to impress with  big words and complicated semantics.  Oh well!   To each his own.   jt: Let me say right up front that I have never said that education

RE: [TruthTalk] Rated "R"

2004-04-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Thanks, but it was sent to me by a friend. I don't know who wrote it, as it wasn't attached. But it IS good preach'in! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re:

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
I kinda' like the non-cut-n' paste emails. Someone reading this wouldn't see the highly values CONTEXT, John. I agree though re:' boxes and walking and talking" Flawed don't cut it we're downright dastardly (Saints though we might call ourselves) Blessings Saints, Lance . - Original M

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 12:55:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John sins-daily, hourly, moment(ly). Please correct me if this is not true concerning either of you. Lance knows entirely too much about me, that is clear.   All ow me to add a comment to David Miller.  Wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
As an interloper I'm with John. This is a syntax vs semantics discussion. PS to other readers-Please look these words & use them properly. Whatever you choose to call it, name it, theologize concerning it-I sin, David sins, John sins-daily, hourly, moment(ly). Please correct me if this is no

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:13:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: those are not my words you're responding to John. Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 02, 2004 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Admixture of Love

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:12:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I apologize in advance for what might be perceived as an intrusion but: J & John-same guy? Knpraise seems to manifest two personalities if the same person (MPD) Help me straighten this  out at least for my rea

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 9:46:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear John, I did not mean to upset you.  Let me restate what I think is important for us to communicate here.  I will consolidate it down into two questions. Ditto 1.  I desire from you an acknowledgment th

Re: [TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:58:07 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Correct but the plumbline by which we evaluate is not semantics Greek Words etc.  It is Isaiah 8:20.  jt How does this solve the problem if we undersand the problem to be a sense of assurance about our knowi

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:44:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You guys are "tensin' me up. Please restate your position on holiness/perfection/ and let an amateur jump in a little. Lance- Can this actually be done, David/   I am game. By the way, brother Miller, I

Re: [TruthTalk] APPEAL TO THE WORD OF GOD...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 8:35:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Explain last sentence: "God Himself" "Theological statements operate with what we may call open concepts-concepts which, to be sure, must be closed on our side, for we have to formulate them as carefully and e

RE: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread David Miller
Dear John, I did not mean to upset you. Let me restate what I think is important for us to communicate here. I will consolidate it down into two questions. 1. I desire from you an acknowledgment that there is no Greek scholar, not Mounce or anyone else, who has translated 1 John 1:8 and Romans

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
Are you the moderator? If not you should be. You mediate well. Lance - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 02, 2004 12:14 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil? > Judy wrote: > > Why is it that you, and Bill like to co

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
"Peace" is apparently the operative word with you Mr. Miller. Thanks once again. Humbled a second time. You teach as you write, David. Peace be to you. Lance - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 02, 2004 12:14 Subject: RE: [Truth

RE: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > Why is it that you, and Bill like to counsel > and evaluate so much David? Why not deal > with the issues rather than the person? The problem is that communication is a two way street. If we don't deal with problems in how we communicate with one another, then the alternative is

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
You guys are "tensin' me up. Please restate your position on holiness/perfection/ and let an amateur jump in a little. Lance- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 02, 2004 11:24 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

Re: [TruthTalk] APPEAL TO THE WORD OF GOD...

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
Explain last sentence: "God Himself" "Theological statements operate with what we may call open concepts-concepts which, to be sure, must be closed on our side, for we have to formulate them as carefully and exactly as we can, but which on God's side are open to the infinite objectivity and

[TruthTalk] Rated "R"

2004-04-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
The movie - the PASSION OF CHRIST is rated "R": The "R" of course is because of the violence, the gore.. In movie terms "R" stands for RESTRICTED , but in this movie "R" stands for RELEVANT , for REALISTIC , for it REALLY happened for a REASON because we were REBELIOUS we needed a REDEEM

Re: [TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 6:37:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe all the other Greek scholars have it right and we have it wrong. Speaking of broad brushes -- there it is.   Weslian theology is most certainly a minority opinion.  Does that make a difference.   Of

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 7:45:05 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Miller: Bless you for handling this in a non-contentious fashion. I'm humbled by your demeanour. Lance Dito John

[TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
 In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:57:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God does not demand a high education. This is why he sent the Holy Spirit But because you have an idea or interpretation for a given passage does not mean youwere visited by the Holy Spirit, correct.

Re: [TruthTalk] Rated "R"

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
Amen sister!!! Good preachin' Lance - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 02, 2004 11:40 Subject: [TruthTalk] Rated "R" > > The movie - the PASSION OF CHRIST is rated "R": > > The "R" of course is because of the violence, the g

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy wrote:... when I hear someone speak on that level with  understanding that can only come from God - I  listen.  But when someone tries to impress with  big words and complicated semantics.  Oh well!   To each his own.   David: I think what you sai

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
I apologize in advance for what might be perceived as an intrusion but: J & John-same guy? Knpraise seems to manifest two personalities if the same person (MPD) Help me straighten this  out at least for my reading of the M posts. Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTEC

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
those are not my words you're responding to John. Lance - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 02, 2004 10:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and... In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:57:06

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 6:14:00 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  Our Heavenly Father (the father of our spirits) is our main guy, John.  Jesus is his only begotten Son and is also our Elder Brother has made sacrifice in our behalf which makes our return to heaven to

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:57:06 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God does not demand a high education. This is why he sent the Holy Spirit But because you have an idea or interpretation for a given passage does not mean youwere visited by the Holy Spirit, correct.   John

Re: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
David Miller: Bless you for handling this in a non-contentious fashion. I'm humbled by your demeanour. Lance - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 02, 2004 10:15 Subject: [TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil? > Judy wrote: > > ...

[TruthTalk] Education - Is it evil?

2004-04-02 Thread David Miller
Judy wrote: > ... when I hear someone speak on that level with > understanding that can only come from God - I > listen. But when someone tries to impress with > big words and complicated semantics. Oh well! > To each his own. I think what you said here identifies the root problem that exis

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-02 Thread Dave
Charles Perry Locke wrote: David, here is one of the quotes that indicates this: Brigham Young speaking in the Journal of Discourses Vo1 1, Page 51 1852, "Jesus our Elder Brother was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Hea

Re: [TruthTalk] I Don't Think So says JTTT(The Theologian)

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
"Scripturese" what is it? You quote a scripture to me then, without using any language apart from it I then quote a scripture back to you in response. Once we use our own (not Scripture's) words we're not only having a conversation we're engaging in theological dialogue. Is there a word othe

[TruthTalk] I Don't Think So says JTTT(The Theologian)

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance: If the Bereans did other than speak "Scripturese" to each other then they also were engaging in theology Judy.    jt: How do you define what you call "scripturese" Lance? How do you discern between good and evil? What is your plumbline or standard of measure?   Lance wrote:When you ad

[TruthTalk] Mr. Rogers word for the day

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Hi kids, can we say the word polemicist?   jt: What for?  Only the sophisticated will hear ... Lance wrote:When you add a single supplementary, explanatory word to the Scriptures you cite you're a Female Theologian. OO Scarry kids! Lance   jt: I don'

[TruthTalk] Doctrines of Men(Women?)/Demons

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
  I do, Judy. I just don't think that you've apprehended Paul's meaning here. When I sat in a pew some decades ago listening to A W Tozer preach (one with not much more education than your Father) I never thought then nor now of being attentive to a man in the place of God.  For that matte

[TruthTalk] Re:I Don't Think So says JTTT(The Theologian)

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
If the Bereans did other than speak "Scripturese" to each other then they also were engaging in theology Judy.  Blessings, Lance Jt (TT=Judy Taylor The Theologian) - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 02, 2004 09:18 Subject: [T

[TruthTalk] Grace and Holiness

2004-04-02 Thread David Miller
John S. wrote: > Let's start over. Ok. John S. wrote: > Since I was explaining my understanding on the > grammatical application of the present tense, > I did not and do not see it necessary to finding > a translation that actually says "If we say we > are having no sin ..." I made n

[TruthTalk] Re:Mr. Rogers word for the day

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
Hi kids, can we say the word polemicist? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: April 02, 2004 09:18 Subject: [TruthTalk] Doctrines of Men(Women?)/Demons   Lance wrote: When you add a single supplementary, explanatory

Re: [TruthTalk] false notions

2004-04-02 Thread Charles Perry Locke
David, here is one of the quotes that indicates this: Brigham Young speaking in the Journal of Discourses Vo1 1, Page 51 1852, "Jesus our Elder Brother was begotten in the flesh by the same character that was in the garden of Eden, and who is our Father in Heaven." I read "begotten in the flesh

[TruthTalk] God Taught Men

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
STURDY PIONEERS OF WAYNE COUNTY EULOGIZED BY Z. T. VINSON IN REMARKABLE WORD PICTURE Uncle" John Jarrell The first truly great man I ever knew was John Jarrell, who lived and died on Mill Creek. Every one, young and old alike, called him "Uncle," out of a sense of profound respect and reverence. H

Re: [TruthTalk] Doctrines of Men(Women?)/Demons

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
I do, Judy. I just don't think that you've apprehended Paul's meaning here. When I sat in a pew some decades ago listening to A W Tozer preach (one with not much more education than your Father) I never thought then nor now of being attentive to a man in the place of God.For that matter neit

[TruthTalk] Doctrines of Men(Women?)/Demons

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
  Lance wrote: When you add a single supplementary, explanatory word to the Scriptures you cite you're a Female Theologian. OO Scarry kids! Lance   jt: I don't think so Lance; today ppl all have access to the scriptures so they can be Berean (Acts 11:17); there was a day (dark ages) wh

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-02 Thread Dave
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/1/2004 11:46:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are literally brothers and sisters of God, and have the manifest destiny (and encouragement) to become like Him. So the God we serve is not the main guy?

[TruthTalk] Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
  Lance: An underlying anger towards MEN particularly EDUCATED MEN. I, with you thank God for your Dad and men like him. Did you only go to the 4th grade.   jt: No I was more educated than my father-in-law but ignorant as to what counted in life when I met him.   Do you recommend all to

[TruthTalk] Doctrines of Men(Women?)/Demons

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
    Lance: When you add a single supplementary, explanatory word to the Scriptures you cite you're a Female Theologian. OO Scarry kids! Lance   jt: I don't think so Lance, everyone is responsible to check out what they hear themselves just as the Bereans did in Acts 11:17; Paul called t

[TruthTalk] Re:Admixture of Love 4 God/God/s Word and...

2004-04-02 Thread Lance Muir
An underlying anger towards MEN particularly EDUCATED MEN. I, with you thank God for your Dad and men like him. Did you only go to the 4th grade. Do you recommend all to cease formal education at that level? You seem to equate GODLY EDUCATED MEN as espousers of doctrines of demons. Right/Wro

Re: [TruthTalk] Something to lighten your day

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 5:12:37 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The same guy that named that Rottweiler Jesus", replied the bird Good one. John

Re: [TruthTalk] RE:Appeal to Scripture Part Two

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 4:17:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We refer everything to God and nothing to ourselves. But we cannot escape our own sense of reality --- so there is alasy the naging feeling of doubt (?) John

Re: [TruthTalk] APPEAL TO THE WORD OF GOD...

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/2/2004 3:19:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Appeal must be made beyond all Biblical, all ecclesiastical citations to the Truth of God Himself. For that (He) is the supreme authority to which (whom) all must submit and all must rely.Ultimately it is by

[TruthTalk] Sexism reversed

2004-04-02 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance:I've known more smart women than men over my rather lengthy life, including my wife so, please include women.   jt: How many big thick doctrinal books have you seen or do you know of that are written by women?   Strictly guessing, I'd say that a high percentage of believers globally

Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Dialogue with Mormons

2004-04-02 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/1/2004 11:46:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are literally brothers and sisters of God, and have the manifest destiny (and encouragement) to become like Him. So the God we serve is not the main guy? John

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