Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reducing the net cost of Wikimania

While everyone keeps looking at the cost thats not the question we should be asking, because even if the costs were reduced to 500,000, 100,00 or even 10,000 ​that doesnt reflect the value we get from the in person contacts, the global connections the sharing of experiences, learning of concepts,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Outcomes from the Consultation on Wikimedia movement conferences/Wikimania

> > ​ > On behalf of the Wikimania Committee, I would like to thank everyone who took part and the Community Resources team for organising this discussion. The Committee will consider these recommendations and will then come back > with some changes to our processes. > ​Ellie started the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "9 annoying nonprofit trends that need to die"

Some Wikipedians in Residence also get paid for their work, saying "Wikipedia is written by volunteers" is honest and doesnt have the puffary of 100%. As a community we are working to create more activities, projects and partnerships with GLAM where the people participating are being paid to edit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

Crikey, balance, spam, dont contribute, very little contribution, +1 pile on (though we dont see many -1 pile ons). we are society/community that works because we collaborate we assume good faith int he actions of others, we know that while we speak(email) in english many of us have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

The sky isnt falling yes it wasnt optimally handled and yes it caught the community by surprise but lets be careful here. We cant sit back and enjoy the holiday season while expecting everyone else to be dropping everything and running into to the office

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > remember, the POV of the USA and many of its sources are as suspect as > those from Kazakhstan. ​And that is why regardless of the fact a citation is so important, ​ ​because the person receiving the information must able to make their own

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement about changes to the Board

there are bigger questions than why like; - how can this take place - how can the community ensure its representatives independence in the future, - what effect will this have on other elected representatives on the board The Florida statute(

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

ources. Quality is more than that. > Thanks, >GerardM > > On 29 December 2015 at 13:27, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > This is when sources truly become vital. But do > > > remember, the POV of the USA and ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

wrote: > congratulations > ​, and what about 2018, ​I still support north africa, and Tunis exactly > > > Le mar. 22 déc. 2015 12:27, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > > this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community > > really dont

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 to be held in Montréal in Canada

this has been known for ages the process was usurped from the community really dont see a lot to celebrate or to congratulate anyone about... yes I was the leader of one bid for 2017 that had followed the published process On 22 December 2015 at 19:05, Rodrigo Padula

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

This is going nowhere, one of the big issues is that there is a lack of understanding on how WikiData works and whats it purpose is. Wikimedia Australia solution is invest community money into bringing someone who has contributed to Wikidata to Australia to do a series of talks and workshops

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

there is a compromise license cc-by without the sa On 20 December 2015 at 21:38, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > On Sun, Dec 20, 2015 at 2:18 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > > Lydia, > > > > I can only relate my impressions to you. The first two items I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

this is the issue in quality ​ > If Google uses our data and they are wrong, that's bad for them.​ Under CC) license when Google uses the information they dont need to attribute Wikidata, if that "wrong" data came from WD --> google ---> news source ---> WP not only has it been washed its now

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Branislav Jovanovic, User:BraneJ in critical condition

On behalf of Wikimedia Australia, Australian contributors and myself our condolences to all who knew him, thank you Milos for sharing our care & concern for Brane with Brane before he passed. -Gideon On 11 December 2015 at 21:59, Gregory Varnum wrote: > Tragic news.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

kipedia articles had 0-3 statements, I would probably > update those. > > On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher < > lydia.pintsc...@wikimedia.de> wrote: > > > On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Criag i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why are we so boring?

maybe the movement needs to get a few more Australians around events to liven things up, as its never boring here... we'll even bring drop bears and other furry creatures to keep people on their toes  On 8 December 2015 at 21:47, Anders Wennersten

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Criag is right this cant be fixed within the database because the data base is applying one truth where there is no one truth for everyone. This will always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable through some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Foundation IEG program will fund 14 community-led projects

would it be possible to hear some the more significant but general reasonings behind the why the 15 get funded so that the community take those lesson on board as well. On 5 December 2015 at 12:01, Lila Tretikov wrote: > Thank you Marti, committee. And congratulation to all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

hold it, back up the truck for a moment If the WMF has a fundraising team and a PR/media team why is it paying a third party to provide the banners surely someone should be able to design them in house, what about someone from the design teams working on other projects. If no one has the skills

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Coffee_cups 90 photos subcategory cups of coffee a further 700 images not really difficult to find or navigate to what you need. There is no excuse for fundraising team to not use a Free licensed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] (no subject)

sing data. The approach is way too dogmatic as well. So no, > thank you. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 2 December 2015 at 23:56, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 29 million photos, 30 seconds type category:coffee cups > > https://commons.wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > While I happily agree that Sources are good, I will not ask people to start > adding Sources at this point of time it will not improve quality > signifcantly. It makes more sense once we are at a stage where multiple > sources disagree on values for statements. Adding sources is signifcantly >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

Disclaimer first - I'm not exactly conversant in the intricacies of WikiData, if I was to take the information on 14th Dalai Lama https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/14th_Dalai_Lama it links to Wikidata at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q17293 the en article has 2 references that list his date of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

this isnt about how or whats of Google its about ensuring that what we do is trustworthy On 25 November 2015 at 08:12, Andreas Kolbe wrote: > On Tue, Nov 24, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Leila Zia wrote: > > > > > It's worth mentioning: > > > > Dominant search

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

some resposnes to Leila comments 1. Its not a disaster but it is a serious concern, we know from past experiences that it goes to the heart of the projects long term credibility, Countless hours and funds have gone into redressing Wikipedias reputation and still after 8 years of doing this we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

negligent in stating sources. The worst > example is in the "primary sources" tool. It is bad because it is brought > to us as the best work flow for adding uncertain data to Wikidata. So the > world is not perfect but hey it is a wiki :) > Thanks, > GerardM > > On

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

t. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 21 November 2015 at 10:26, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Many data sources have data from the same origin. It does not follow > that > > > without original sources they are all right. Quite th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quality issues

> > ... > *When 100% is compared with another source and 85% is the same,**you only > have to check 15% and decide what is righ**t* ​this very statement highlights one issue that ​ ​will always be a problem between Wikidata and Wikipedias. Wikipedia, at least in my 10 years of experience on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fundraising Update

opened firefox this morning, now maybe its because the coffee kicked in earlier today I noticed this for the first time, it reads very much like what I've seen in previous years on Wikipedia banners, I think the fundraising team should be aware of this because it may be a cause behind the messages

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community revitalization

Peter that would be very useful both the contributors and to readers On 18 November 2015 at 14:00, Peter Southwood wrote: > How about a tool to look up in Wiktionary from Wikipedia? > Cheers, > Peter > > -Original Message- > From: Wikimedia-l

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

also what > > actually > > > connect people and allow them to help each other, and to help prevent > > > tragedies like these. > > > > > > But if you really don't wish to see this discussed, then simply do not > > > discuss it. Don't tell people

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

e of > > how > > > faith-based beliefs may be completely harmless depending on what the > > claims > > > are. However, I do think religion is one of the ways some people get > off > > > the rails, and that this is a problem that goes largely underestimated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Celebrating Parisian culture and libertarianism

Not sure we should be making such a link as the events in Paris are not about Islam just as the actions of the women in Kentucky was not a reflection of Christianity. Paris is not the only place its unfortunately its not even the latest place to fall victim to ISIS. Wikimedia is a world wide

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Design] 'Design team' in Wikimedia contexts

the more you mess around with name changes the harder it becomes for the community to follow who is doing what and why. Thats just for those of us who are english speakers I would hate be someone who doesnt speak english trying to follow the changes On 11 November 2015 at 16:53, Quim Gil

[Wikimedia-l] TPP - copyright

We have a new problem to face in the coming months assuming countries ratify the Trans Pacific Partnership https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership The text of the agreement has been released in the last 24 hours, early commentary is indicating that copyright changes will occur

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

messages - but will check. That is not > intentional. > > Perhaps the moderated message you are referring to is from your email to > AffCom? > > -greg > > ___ > Sent from my iPhone - a more detailed response may be sent later. > > > On Nov 3, 2015, at 6

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

just an observation, I tried responding to a discussion on that list, now I've already jumped through the ID hoops and shown I'm part of an affiliate yet my messages are moderated, to me that seams kind of point;less, like to cause disjointed discussion, give the impression that the list is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

I think the PR people really need to be more reflective in the reasons and uses of the donations in their messages because its rather easy to show the inconsistancy between the message and the use of donated funds... IMHO some of the drop off in donations is due to this lack reflectivity in the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Next step in the development

While I agree that there is a necessity to link pages through Wikidata I'm with Risker such a message would itself become a barrier to the creation of content, we have enough of those already. We are forgetting that the people doing the edits do so as volunteers not paid employees, they do so for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

" it's not good to give publicly comments on the candidates." Why is that > so? > And candidates? To what? ​To answer that second part first where ever the affiliates as group are represented by an individual. The first part is simple privacy and doing no harm to that individual ​ On 21

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list

the proliferation of lists is also an issue as someone who's been on a chapter committee for 2 years and going into my third finding the right lists to join is a problem. When you rely solely on electronic means of contact you never get the knowledge of the where discussions are taking place and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

being able to seek assistance and advice from Affcom for specific needs is good concept because no matter how large the organisation mentoring in an invaluable service we can all use. The issue will be in ensuring the mentors have the skills, the knowledge and importantly the time(at the right

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

Every country is different, in Australia you cant have a bank account for a User group without being registered, you cant work with GLAM without having public liability insurance for which the UG needs to be registered to obtain. If you operate unregistered all members are personally legally

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Number of new User Groups

Any process that divides the community isnt good for the community, we already seeing the effects of poor decisions being taken by groups and individuals acting in isolation On 18 October 2015 at 20:02, Leigh Thelmadatter wrote: > Im not sure now is the right time to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Loves Earth 2015 winners announced!

IMHO the winner is not the best example of contributing to Commons as the high resolution image wasnt uploaded until after it had been announced as the winner and when you read the rules it says "*Please submit images that are as large as possible and do not “downsize for the web”. We value high

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

lt;jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating > a > >> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra <gnanga

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

and ability to do outreach don't > necessarily correlate that well - someone with a few hundred edits can be a > great contact point for a cultural institution and someone with tends of > thousands can be a poor one... :) ) > > Chris > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:33 PM

[Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

by, nearest user group is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject Arkansas havent been active in the last 6 months -- ​Gnangarra President Wikimedia Australia WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

I would be careful but using the Wikimania to forward some phases of the discussion in person because many people dont get the opportunity to attend in person and the last thing this process needs now is another barrier to community participation On 13 October 2015 at 00:55, Siko Bouterse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

at 09:06, Pete Forsyth <petefors...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not sure what you mean by "knocked back," Gnangarra, but the WMF > response to that grant proposal looks thoughtful and aimed at finding a > viable solution at some point in the future. > > > https://meta.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

> > > > Why not organise WikiOz, or WikiOceana? > ​​ > > ​We tried that https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/WM_AU/Wikiconference_Australia_2015 a​nd was knocked back for the funding needed to make it happen. > > -- > ​be fon​ > > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

tting somewhat tangled at this point. > > Joe > > -- ​Gnangarra ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

On 6 October 2015 at 15:15, Gerard Meijssen wrote: > Hoi, > Theoretically you are right, you COULD restart the process for a next year. > That is quite a professional attitude. Ask yourself, is that the kind of > effort you can ask of volunteers.. Be reasonable. It is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thoughts on carrying the Wikimania conversation forward

interesting suggestions Pete but the published timeline is based on the published process which has now been marked as obsolete/historical. We also know none of that process had been followed nor was there any intention to follow that process. Are you seriously suggesting people continue to put

[Wikimedia-l] Biggest disappointment from Wikimania 2017

This has been going on for three days, yet not one person involved in this decision has take a moment to reachout personally to the people who worked on bids, They have tabled justifications on list discussions, they have changed the status of Meta pages but not once have they given anyone the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

I think we are stuck with Montreal and to change now isnt going address the problems this decision has created, no matter how the poor situation thats been created is remedied every outcome will be a poisoned challis. There are measures IMHO that the WMF should take to ensure the people who

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimania 2017 Montreal - scooped by Signpost

On 4 October 2015 at 15:17, Mathias Damour wrote: > Le 04/10/2015 05:36, Craig Franklin a écrit : > >> I take your point Pine, but "improving communication with the community" >> seems to have been a WMF priority for as long as I can remember, yet there >> doesn't

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