Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing our newest chapter, Wikimedia Korea

2019-04-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Congratulations! First new chapter in 5 years or so. At last. :) Best, Paulo María Sefidari escreveu no dia terça, 23/04/2019 à(s) 23:11: > Hi everyone, > > I am happy to share that earlier this year, the Wikimedia Foundation Board > of Trustees approved our newest Wikimedia chapter - Wikimedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The latest updates from movement strategy

2019-04-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
"right now, affiliate groups and language communities are taking these discussions further in community conversations" Not sure what communities you are talking about here, but as far as I know onwiki community discussions are completely and totally abandoned by the Working Groups, even in meta. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] timeline for Project Grants

2019-04-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Rapid grants are also terribly slow and totally behind the proposed deadlines. They take months to get approved. Valuable events and partnerships have been and are being ruined because of this. This delay and slowness is absolutely unexplainable. I recall people mentioning here in the list that thi

[Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was officially informed, by a WMF source, that I'm being subject to a until now unknown sanction, with an accusation from AffCom I can only describe as baseless and fraudulent, relating to a a situation between two affiliates, dealt with by

Re: [Wikimedia-l] What's making you happy this week? (Week of 5 May 2019)

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Wiki Loves Earth and Global Summit Creative Commons is making me happy this week. :) Paulo Pine W escreveu no dia segunda, 6/05/2019 à(s) 08:32: > I am trying to restart the "What's making you happy this week?" threads. > > > I am grateful for the volunteers who are facilitating significant por

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ore > transparency and accountability would be good. > > > > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > A few days ago the Wikimedia affiliate I belong to was officially > informed, > > by a WMF source, that I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
nov...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Hi Paulo, > > > > > > This is an excellent question. I am curious to find out that too. > > > > > > Best, > > > Kiril > > > > > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 12:13 PM Paulo Santos Perneta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
; body legally responsible for the work of entire WMF. > > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 15:39 Paulo Santos Perneta > napisał(a): > > > Hi Cornelius, > > > > Apart from the general discussion about the specific role of AffCom, I > > really would like to know who is the enti

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
media.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_of_Trustees > > where you can find link to meta-userpages of them and then you can contact > them as usually on wiki. > > Good luck, > > > pon., 6 maj 2019 o 17:09 Paulo Santos Perneta > napisał(a): > > > Hello Tomasz,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
for further details. > > Best > James > > On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:08 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi Tomasz, > > > > Thank you very much for the information. It is quite unexpected that the > > Board of Trust

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Who oversees the AffCom?

2019-05-07 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
amin Ikuta wrote: > > > > > > > > > I'm not familiar with this specific situation, but I agree that more > > transparency and accountability would be good. > > > > > > > > On May 6, 2019, at 12:40 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta < >

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [Wikimedia Education] W&E Greenhouse - final week for applications, video guide and "Hit Submit!" virtual sessions!

2019-05-07 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
-- Forwarded message - De: Melissa Guadalupe Huertas Date: terça, 7/05/2019 à(s) 22:36 Subject: [Wikimedia Education] W&E Greenhouse - final week for applications, video guide and "Hit Submit!" virtual sessions! To: , , Wikipedia & Education User Group Hola Wikimedia and educati

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] W&E Greenhouse - final week for applications, video guide and "Hit Submit!" virtual sessions!

2019-05-07 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Sorry for the duplicate, this forward was meant to our general list at Wikimedia Portugal, not here :\. Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia terça, 7/05/2019 à(s) 23:35: > > > -- Forwarded message - > De: Melissa Guadalupe Huertas > Date: terça, 7/05/2019 à(s)

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I absolutely disagree with this. A Wikipedia sysop do not necessarily has - and from my experience, most of the time hasn't - the necessary skills to deal with copyright. Best, Paulo A domingo, 12 de mai de 2019, 14:35, Vi to escreveu: > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/u

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
A large part of the problem is the disconnection between online and offline communities or types of users. It is quite counterproductive having affiliates, outreach programs, whatever, reaching out to people out to the Wikimediaverse inviting them to use our projects without having any plans or mea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
This is true. I verified and restored almost all the files. There was one or two problems with students who uploaded an occasional derivative work (integrated in their own work), but almost all the files were OK, and correctly uploaded. The main problem here, IMO, was marking sourced stuff as "no s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Caesar's. Paulo Vi to escreveu no dia domingo, 12/05/2019 à(s) 21:13: > Major projects surely deal with a significant amount of uploads in an > efficient way. > > Vito > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 17:31 Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com>

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
21:13: > > > > > Major projects surely deal with a significant amount of uploads in an > > > efficient way. > > > > > > Vito > > > > > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 17:31 Paulo Santos Perneta < > > > paulospern...@gmail.co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Wikimedia project communities in general seem to be quite stagnant, if not declining, apart from Wikidata, which is and always will be a whole different case. In the case of Commons it was already very much as it is now when I joined in 2009. I always found it a very pleasant place, but overtime I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
In my view it has not that much to do with AGF. In general people at Commons do assume good faith, or at least they should. But when an user uploads a mix of own work with copyvios, or a GLAM shows a complete lack of understanding on copyright laws (by uploading modern art, for instance, claiming t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
s interested. > > James > > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 4:00 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Wikimedia project communities in general seem to be quite stagnant, if > not > > declining, apart from Wikidata, which is and always will be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
1: > On Mon, May 13, 2019 at 1:10 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > As a Commoner, I can tell we certainly are, James, please apply here: > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Administrators > > > > Even if your sysop

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach

2019-05-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Nah, of course they do. We are using filters at the Portuguese Wikipedia since 2009, and I can say, without blinking, that if it was not for filters, IPs would have ceased to be allowed to edit at all there for good now, so much it is the amount of IP vandalism that they automatically catch and blo

[Wikimedia-l] Reunião de Direcção sábado

2019-05-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Olá, É essencial que façamos uma reunião de direcção o mais brevemente possível, para tratar destes assuntos: - Votação para o conselho de administração da WMF (escolha dos candidatos q apoiamos) - Aplicação aos Strategy Salons para discussão da Estratégia 2030 ao nível de afiliado

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Reunião de Direcção sábado

2019-05-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Sorry, second message in 2 weeks or so that wrongly makes it to this list, due to a similar address name. Fixed now, hopefully... :\ Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia terça, 14/05/2019 à(s) 20:51: > Olá, > > É essencial que façamos uma reunião de direcção o mais b

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Wikimédiens du Bénin User Group

2019-05-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Congratulations, I'm very happy to see another community UG from Africa in the Wikimedia map. Welcome Bénin! :D Paulo Aboubacar Keïta escreveu no dia quarta, 15/05/2019 à(s) 01:24: > Félicitations et bien venue a la grande maison de connaissance libre > > Le lun. 13 mai 2019 à 10:59, Bobby Sha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of Wikimedia Community User Group Tchad

2019-05-19 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Welcome on board, Chade! :D Paulo KuboF Hromoslav escreveu no dia domingo, 19/05/2019 à(s) 15:33: > Great to have you here, Chadians! > > KuboF Hromoslav > Esperanto and Free Knowledge > > Dňa so, 18. máj 2019 17:46 Kirill Lokshin > napísal(a): > >> Hi everyone! >> >> I'm very happy to announc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Where would it fit in Strategy 2030? Advocacy? Paulo James Heilman escreveu no dia segunda, 20/05/2019 à(s) 05:41: > We all agree NC licenses are poor. The WMF position was a reflection of the > community's position at the time and this likely remains the community's > position today. > > If we

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Interpretation of CC NC from SUISA

2019-05-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The idea that NC is "open and free" is growing like a cancer in Brazil and Portugal. I've been noticing that for some time already, and I do believe we as a Movement should have some sort of plan or strategy to fight that - and never indulge in accepting NC as a valid license for the Wikimedia proj

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-27 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Shani, I'm curious if non discriminating anyone politically could imply a group or community being forced to accept people from the extreme right or the likes of it, with public (but not onwiki) views against migration, promoting racial discrimination, and revisionism, for instance? This is no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Feedback requested for draft code of conduct for user group

2019-05-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Mister Thrapostibongles, I would believe so. However, after knowing a case where a WMF staff was fired after their denounce of such a situation caused a fuss in the target community, I'm not so sure the WMF shares that understanding. Until there is some strong standing from the WMF about such i

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikidata Days 2019 - Portugal

2019-05-29 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
the Wikimedia Foundation and the Wiki Movimento Brasil. Atenciosamente, Paulo Santos Perneta Wikimedia Portugal ___ Please note: all replies sent to this mailing list will be immediately directed to Wikimedia-l, the public mailing list of the Wikimedia commu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-30 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Wonderful news! Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia educational projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line with the educational projects, and generally with full Wikidata integration. It is very rewarding to see the group recognized again as a full-right Wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Kedu ihe na-eme gị obi ụtọ n'izu a? / What's making you happy this week? (Week of 26 May 2019)

2019-05-30 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What is making me happy this week: - Helping the NOVA SBE library organizing this great event scheduled for next week: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:WikidataDays_2019_Lisbon - UG Wiki Movimento Brasil being recognized as a Wikimedia affiliate: https://meta.wikimedia.o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
iki/Muj(lh)eres_latinoamericanas_en_Wikimedia Best, Paulo Paulo Santos Perneta escreveu no dia quinta, 30/05/2019 à(s) 15:40: > Wonderful news! > Brazil has been for long one of the world leaders in Wikimedia educational > projects, with an excellent work on GLAMs, often in line wit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-05-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ng to ensure there isn't a repeat > of past breakdowns in community cooperation? > > Kind regards > > Seddon > > On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:50 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi! > > > > I would like to c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Grupo de Usuários Wiki Movimento Brasil

2019-06-08 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey, The affiliate was originally formed in 2008 as the wannabe chapter Wikimedia Brasil, and made its life as a chapter until 2010 when it was noticed that it was not incorporated nor had any intention of becoming incorporated, and the whole thing was canceled. Some of its members and new volunt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Lack of transparency from the WMF, whatelse is new. I'm currently under a funding ban secretly decided (by who?) based on a false accusation, without providing any evidence. Until now I'm waiting for an explanation from the WMF. So, this sort of attitude doesn't surprise me at all. It is very unfor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
fics of this particular ban but I believe WMF > took the best decision in banning Fram considering the Foundation has acted > approximately in dealing with similar issues in the past. > > Regards, > > Isaac > > > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019, 2:58 PM Paulo Santos Perne

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
so I neither can support or oppose the ban. As > > > simple as that. > > > > > > So what should be done IMO. If enwiki wants to know more, a community > > body > > > can ask for more information, if body satisfy two things: > > > - They had signed ND

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
case there. Paulo A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 14:51, Robert Fernandez escreveu: > Because the English Wikipedia community is a garbage fire, and is > hellbent on demonstrating that this week. > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 9:16 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
t; > Cheers > >> > > Yaroslav > >> > > > >> > > On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 5:46 PM Amir Sarabadani < > ladsgr...@gmail.com> > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > People who oppose the ban: Are you aware

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
x27;t like all the aggressiveness I am seeing at wiki.en,but I can understand the revolt. I do hope things improve. Paulo A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 18:47, Robert Fernandez escreveu: > The board, including its community representatives. > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 1:38 PM Paulo Santos Pe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-12 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Going there dismissing the whole issue as a sexist mob doing GamerGate kind of stuff, what was she expecting, really. Paulo A quarta, 12 de jun de 2019, 22:39, Chris Keating < chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> escreveu: > > > > So, pretty much every discussion is decided by those who choose to > > par

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
inflammatory comments does not seem like the wisest thing to do. Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 08:15, Chris Keating < chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> escreveu: > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Going there dism

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
are Gamergaters, > including editors with tools. > > On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:15 AM Chris Keating > wrote: > > > > On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:48 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Going there dismissing the whole

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The inapposite and totally inapt intervention of the WMF, a la bull in a china shop, caused a Streisand effect on the alleged harassment that is stated to have take place. I do not knew the editor which has been pointed as the source of the denounce, or if she has made any denounce at all, but I ce

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
No idea what could be the relation with GamerGate and the current issue onwiki at wiki en. Would you care to elaborate? Paulo A quinta, 13 de jun de 2019, 19:53, David Gerard escreveu: > I think the problem is that the pathological people, having been > called out on being pathological, decided

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ask WMF for technical > support if needed for a system that we design or agree to implement. > Pine > ( https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Pine ) > > P.S. I need to stop posting in this thread so that I do not exceed my limit > of Wikimedia-l posts for the month, but my silence do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
At this point, it certainly looks like that. That, and the "f*** Arbcom" thing. If you know otherwise, please explain. Paulo David Gerard escreveu no dia sexta, 14/06/2019 à(s) 11:37: > and you're *seriously* positing that the WMF would ban an admin for > doing only what you describe? > > On Fr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Both systems are horrible. Secret trials punishing people who don't even know they are being accused, and of what they are being accused, without any chance to appeal afterwards, are nothing short of horrible and inhumane. That, yes, is plain harassment against the victims of those secret trials.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
People shouldn't be going with any random option, but rather presume the innocence of others unless guilt is proven by some legit process. It seems that this very basic principle of Human Rights and dignity is being forgotten. There is not the least appearance of due process happening there, but th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
quot;penal offenses." Unless > Fram is getting locked up in prison for his actions, let's drop the absurd > hyperbole that this is somehow a human rights violation. > > > Dan Rosenthal > > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 11:35 AM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
hts and dignity" over someone getting banned from a website > over bad conduct issues. You need not reply -- I'm done with this portion > of the conversation. > > On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 1:03 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Health, Roles & Responsibilities

2019-06-16 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
How is banning an user for 1 year for secrete reasons a "bold step"? What's the educative value of it? How does it advance any of those strategic objectives you mention there? Paulo Ad Huikeshoven escreveu no dia domingo, 16/06/2019 à(s) 22:03: > We are in a turbulent episode on this mailing li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community Health, Roles & Responsibilities

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What is that "strategic direction", and where was it agreed? Paulo Peter Southwood escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 08:20: > " Previously a strategic direction has been agreed." > Not by that many. It is so vague that it can be interpreted to mean > whatever the WMF want it to mean and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Dariusz, I've read and reread the WMBE message, and have not found anything near "pushing people who felt harassed or mistreated to step forward". I also do not understand why you're addressing WMBE as "Romaine" (begging the question?). Can you please clarify? Paulo Dariusz Jemielniak escreveu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" In other words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a rumour about them" - that's Wikimedia version of the Salem witch trials. Unbelievable that this sort of thing is coming from one of the WMF trustees, even as a personal opinion. Paulo Michel Vuijlsteke escreveu no dia segu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I understand it as an official message from WMBE emanating from their last General Assembly, posted by one of the board members on behalf of the chapter. But probably it should have been posted by another person, indeed, to avoid confusion. Paulo Isaac Olatunde escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/201

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
n if people are killed or physically hurt? Paulo Amir Sarabadani escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 15:36: > Are you comparing banning someone to participate at conference(s) with > hanging innocent people? > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:34 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
r words, the best way to ban anyone from any event is to start a > rumour about them? > > My understanding is that noone was banned from an event. > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:28 PM Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com<mailto:paulospern...@gmail.com>> wrote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New board for Wikimedia Belgium + evaluation behaviour WMF

2019-06-17 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
been end of story, if not for the T&S interference. Paulo Dariusz Jemielniak escreveu no dia segunda, 17/06/2019 à(s) 16:04: > Hi Paulo, > > > On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:54 PM Paulo Santos Perneta wrote: > " I'm referring to message from Caroline" - How hav

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-20 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I am very sad and depressed with this outcome, especially with someone as Romaine, which I am quite lucky to know personally. And it is very true that now one has to have eyes in their back and be extra careful when going to WMF run events, as the risk of abuse of T&S is quite real. Dangerous tim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Taking everything and their dog as "harassment", without due process to verify it, and issuing punishments one can't appeal based on that, creates a feeling of fear and insecurity in the events; and provides a tool easy to abuse by clever persons who understood how to game the system, as a vehicle

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
uot; from trained and responsible professionals over > the popularity contests of the mob any day. > > > On Fri, Jun 21, 2019 at 4:56 AM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > > Taking everything and their dog as "harassment", without due process to > > verify i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
False accusation with the respective punishment, that is. If it was just a false accusation I would not care that much about it, though I obviously dislike being falsely accused. Paulo A sexta, 21 de jun de 2019, 15:01, Paulo Santos Perneta < paulospern...@gmail.com> escreveu: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Some goodbye to all

2019-06-21 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
ay), then open > another thread. > > Thank you, > Camelia > > > > > > > > > > > Il giorno ven 21 giu 2019 alle ore 16:05 Paulo Santos Perneta < > paulospern...@gmail.com> ha scritto: > >> False accusation with the respective punishmen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
There seems to be a trend on the part of the WMF, however, both to try to control onwiki Wikimedia communities (wiki.en current case), and at the same time divert part of the communities to closed platforms under direct or indirect WMF control. I'm also not sure anymore that Wikimedia volunteers a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I also generally discuss what I can offwiki (using a number of channels, but mainly Telegram) , and leave to onwiki discussions what is strictly necessary, but it has much more to do with the slowness and lack of usability of the wiki talk system, than with a toxic environment. That being said, th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Wikimedia Space: A space for movement news and conversations

2019-06-26 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
seems to be in a not wiki way and strictly controlled (by the WMF, apparently). Paulo A quarta, 26 de jun de 2019, 11:32, Lucas Werkmeister < m...@lucaswerkmeister.de> escreveu: > Why do you consider Wikimedia Space a closed platform? > > Cheers, > Lucas > > On 26.06.19 11:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Not really demonizing WMF, but healthily not trusting at face value what they say, specially given WMF quite messy record at that. The WMF interference in that Wikipedia community was completely out of process, and to the moment lacking any justification worth of that name. IMO it is OK for that c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-06-28 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
The files were mainly kept because most of them were considered to be utilitarian objects, but IMO the rationale was correct, as all of them are modern props from the Lord of the Rings movie series. Personally, I think it could be interpreted or construed as some kind of petty revenge from Fram on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block

2019-07-04 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
What exactly has the English Wikipedia accepted? As far as I know we don't known on what the WMF thinks they failed. It is just speculation and personal opinions. Paulo A quinta, 4 de jul de 2019, 10:11, Gerard Meijssen < gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> escreveu: > Hoi, > I am astounded that you writ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimediaindia-l] Fwd: Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing

2019-07-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, Reading about these developments in India has been absolutely painful, and a sad reminiscent of a number of past situations. Most of all, the case with Wikimedia Portugal, when AffCom started imposing restrictions and "mediation plans" without having any kind of official hearing with the c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] An updated design for the Wikimedia Foundation website

2019-07-11 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey Greg, Looks way nicer than the previous version. The thing always moving may be a little bit annoying after some time, maybe it could have a stop button, and it would be nice if we could slide it on our will. But the drawing is very cool. +1 to change the bright canary yellow box to a more di

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikipedians of Goa User Group

2019-07-31 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Splendid news, congratulations Wikipedians of Goa!! :D Frederick: It was really great and a privilege meeting you at CC Global Summit. We at WMPT are very much looking forward to partner with you in Wikimedia projects, specially those related to lusophony! Best, Paulo Kirill Lokshin escreve

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Introducing our newest thematic organisation, Wikimedia Medicine

2019-08-02 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Those are really great news to the "health" of our movement, congratulations and thanks to all those who helped making this a reality! :D Paulo Shani Evenstein escreveu no dia quarta, 31/07/2019 à(s) 18:05: > Thank you, Kirill, and all who have been involved in making this a > reality! > > It's

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" To distribute many of the function now at WMF in SF to different locations in the world (whereof 50% in Global south)" - Distributing work now being paid with US wages to US staff at SF to people at the Global South paying "Global South wages" sounds a lot like moving the factories from San Franc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" I don't want people to feel that their ideas are being casually dismissed" - Don't worry, it is not "their ideas. As Nicole Ebber explained, those recommendations resulted from a lot of different inputs, and none of them is supposed to be the brainchild of anyone inside the WGs. If they are nonse

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
All this stuff about misappropriation and unwanted commercial use of certain content which is being used to justify the inclusion of NC/ND CC licenses in Commons and other Wikimedia projects, really isn't Wikimedia concern. If some communities object to certain types of use on content produced by t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-14 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
engthy legislative process > first, with uncertain outcome. > > (I must admit that I haven’t yet read the articles linked in the draft, > so this email is phrased rather vaguely. I hope it still makes sense.) > > Cheers, > Lucas > > On 14.08.19 23:51, Paulo Santos Perneta wr

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I subscribe Ziko's request to redefine the timeline of Strategy 2030, for the stated reasons. Not only it looks absurd, looking at the quality of the published materials, which are obviously not fit for a final discussion on this mater, but also because there's no rush to present results already in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
, > > On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 6:38 PM Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > > If they don't have legal resources, then it is pointless to use NC ND for > > the content, as they will not be suing anyone that ignores the license > and > > commercializes it anyway. &g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Welcoming Ryan Merkley to the Wikimedia Foundation

2019-08-15 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Glad to have someone from CC onboard, welcome Ryan! Paulo Katherine Maher escreveu no dia terça, 13/08/2019 à(s) 23:02: > Hi everyone, > > I’m excited to let you all know that Ryan Merkley, formerly CEO of > Creative Commons, is joining the Wikimedia Foundation as my new chief of > staff. > > M

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-22 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs 8and their advisors), and eventually decided upon by the BoT around December. Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will only be dealing with

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
e. Even so, you have to > let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step when > needed. I can only hope that your break is temporary, and that you will > return when the time is right. > > I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today. > > Jeff

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
n our evolution. But I understand that if you decide to take > a > >> wiki-break, that might be the way things have to be. Even so, you have > to > >> let the Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step > >> when > >> needed. I can only

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
gt; > > >> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&diff=prev&oldid=9585319 > > >>>> over > > >>>> a much less dramatic change. > > >>>> > > >>>>> All o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-08-24 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
> > >>>> does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall > that > > > >> just > > > >>>> five years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board, > > > >>> expressed > > > >>>> the opinion >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-06 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
After the last disastrous WMF intervention in Wikipedia - Framgate - I believe the timing is just perfect for the WMF to go forward with this fit of creativity of branding themselves as the "Wikipedia Foundation". It's one after another, and never stops. Best, Paulo Yaroslav Blanter escreveu no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

2019-09-09 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I only started following WMF stuff more closely around 2 years ago, but I don't remember it being this permanent state of crisis as it is now, with an ever increasing - now, apparently at an accelerating pace too - detachment from the onwiki communities. This is tiresome and distracting for those o

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Draft recommendations are here!

2019-09-13 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi Diane, If there will be a new discussion (and rightly so), what happens to the "harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September" mentioned by Nicole in her messages? I don't believe there will be much to harmonize between the new discussion with the community takes place. Best, Paulo Diane

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Partial blocks update

2019-09-19 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hi, How and where can one request enabling this at the Portuguese Wikipedia? Paulo James Forrester escreveu no dia sexta, 20/09/2019 à(s) 02:01: > On Thu, 19 Sep 2019 at 17:16, Steven Walling > wrote: > > > How do we see which wikis have partial blocks deployed already / are > > planning to h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Foundation joins the global climate strike

2019-09-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hello, I totally support Illario words: "if the option is to pay 500 long travels for scholarships by flight to attend a single event or to pay 500 travels for the staff of WMF to attend several regional conferences, the answer will be in favor of the second option which is more sustainable and m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "The Foundation does not care so much of the French-speaking contributors

2019-09-23 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Hey Gregory, Are you planing to include Portuguese in the list of target languages? Best, Paulo Gregory Varnum escreveu no dia segunda, 23/09/2019 à(s) 18:32: > I am not entirely sure how this connects to the topic of the thread. > > However, I feel I should note that we are indeed interested

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The timeline of the Wikimedia strategy: please reconsider!

2019-09-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I've no idea what you mean by " second iteration". I was told by Work Group members that those are the recommendations that were used as starting points for the discussions by the Work Groups at Tunis last weekend. Therefore, all that is most probably outdated stuff by now (it was already outdated

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Outcomes of the Harmonization Sprint in Tunis

2019-10-01 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
" A second iteration of draft recommendations [4] was published on Meta just before the sprint for the communities’ information." - It's quite unclear what are we supposed to do with this, since those recommendations most probably became outdated in the course of the Tunis meetings in the days foll

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Movement Strategy: Outcomes of the Harmonization Sprint in Tunis

2019-10-02 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
> > On Tue, 1 Oct 2019 at 18:08, Paulo Santos Perneta > wrote: > > > > " A second iteration of draft recommendations [4] was published on Meta > > just before the sprint for > > the communities’ information." - It's quite unclear what are we supposed &

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF work environment

2019-10-02 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
A surprising amount of staff turnover, and the relation between WMF and the communities extremely eroded by a row of bad moves and general bad attitude. I was told I'm too new to this, and it was worst during superprotect, but it's still mind-boggling why what was supposed to be a symbiotic and ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Affiliates] Recognition of the Wikimedians of Saint Petersburg User Group

2019-10-03 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
Why isn't it a department of Wikimedia Russia, if apparently it's basically a cell of Wikimedia Russia? It's a curious precedent. Paulo Asaf Bartov escreveu no dia quinta, 3/10/2019 à(s) 20:41: > Ziko: Yes, it is about the major Russian city. And one of its listed > contacts is the longstandi

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