Anyone out there that can help me set this up? I am a Windows guy and
have successfully installed Linux several times but have not figured out
how to install FreeRadius successfully. If I had the time I might be
able to do it but I thought it might go faster with a little expertise.
Mark
Hello,
I will be vacationing until the 2nd of January. Feel free to call my cell if
you need me before then. I will have no access to email until the 30th or so.
Thanks,
Mike
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Mark McElvy wrote:
Anyone out there that can help me set this up? I am a Windows guy and
have successfully installed Linux several times but have not figured out
how to install FreeRadius successfully. If I had the time I might be
able to do it but I thought it might go faster with a little
Got that part. I still didn't see in there anywhere, in plain English that
a neophyte like me can understand, is this a polling or csmak product?
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Grin Keep your coax tools to yourself sir!
As for the pipe, I've used both the equinox and pac wireless. Pac has a
much stronger product, hands down. Unless the other guys finally caught
up.
Marlon
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Mark, 48vdc is the poe ieee standard.
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I'd never call you a neophyte, Marlon. A jolly elf maybe, neophyte
never...
CSMA/CA. But the MAC has been substantially altered, especially with 4.0
and the WLP (wireless link prioritization) feature where all stations
can be made to wait while those stations with spooled up voice can
release
They're about the same.
Pac does have the extra-heavy and extra long version, and I don't know if
Equinox matches that one or not.
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Got it. Thanks.
I guess my beef comes from being a wifi based wisp. I find it too
difficult to reject interference with a csma based product. Anything with a
wait for clear air, then transmit MAC is GREAT for collocation. But sucks
when there are products around that don't follow that
This is my point Marlon, your beef is based on erroneous assumptions
because you are still are talking like it is a basic wifi radio. It is
not. Have you not read any of the posts about how the CSAM is able to be
modified or adjustable? As I have said and I'll try to say it again, you
can adjust
My thoughts exactly.
If the VL had a mechanism to tune out noise and a few other tools (dual
pol - dual band) that would enable the user avoid noise then it is possible
there simply would not be a better PtMP LE product available today. Without
those critical elements the VL is just not able
Did someone say they were a ruckus dealer ?
I'd like to get a unit to test in a specific coverage area.
R
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I don't think Marlon is asserting the VL is simply another wifi radio
(even though it does use a wifi Atheros chip with CSAM), but more so that
the VL offers no method for a user to avoid or overcome noise. Simply
lowering modulation, slowing down and retransmitting over and over until the
packet
I don't think Marlon is asserting the VL is simply another wifi radio
(even though it does use a wifi Atheros chip with CSAM), but more so that
the VL offers no method for a user to avoid or overcome noise. Simply
lowering modulation, slowing down and retransmitting over and over until the
packet
I have two things in place right now.
MRTG type data coming right off of the routers.
http://64.146.186.1:81/graphs/iface/eth1-upstream/
http://64.146.146.1:81/graphs/iface/eth1%2Duplink/
And, I have a cool bit tracking program that uses the netflow data generated
by my routers.
Sorry for the double post...compoooter issues today I guess!
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Are you paying extra for bursting, or just the overall bandwidth used?
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps
Thanks! To you and your's too!
Yeah, I'm working on it. Right now we're in talks with the heavy users to
see what amounts won't run them off but will make up the difference
between the 4 gig included model and what they are really consuming.
I'm sure we'll run some off. But the goal
Thanks Jeff,
We're looking at those models right now.
The one that's already in place is 60 gigs for $350. Looks like 10 gigs
will go to $100. And something similar in the middle.
Marlon
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...features that make VL NOT a basic CSMA/CA product.
- Configurable Minimum and Maximum Contention Windows: The BreezeACCESS
VL system uses a special mechanism based on detecting the presence of a
carrier signal and analyzing the information contained in the
transmissions of the AU to estimate
I will GUARANTEE Jeremy Davis can have you up and running in just a few
minutes!
Mac Dearman
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 9:35 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] FreeRadius on
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I know that they (and Butch) claimed it was
No...I think you are confusing me with someone else. :-) I have
told MANY people that proxy service on MT is riddled with problems,
not the least of which is speed. One of the first
LOL,
Yeah, I read that Patrick. Guess I'll have to see it to actually understand
it fully.
I think of it more like talking in a crowded room. The background noise
makes it hard to talk. We can make up for that in several ways.
One, what we usually do today, everyone keeps their voices
Do you have the option of changing to a service where you pay a certain
amount per month for a certain amount of bandwidth, and then have the
capability to burst beyond that for an additional price?
In that model, QoS becomes critical and you can limit your customers based
upon their rate-class
I second that. Jeremy Rocks!
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 1:30 PM
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I will GUARANTEE Jeremy Davis can have you up and
Hello Patrick,
With all due respect I don't think anyone here doubts the Alvarion VL is not
simply a plain vanilla CSMA product. However, unfortunately the end result
is the same when deployed in a RF hostile environment.
All the items you list below while impressive are of little use in RF
It's designed to burst. That gives us a relatively low monthly cost with
really fast service.
So we pay based on usage. But it can, and does, burst very high.
Marlon
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...features that make VL NOT a basic CSMA/CA product.
- Configurable Minimum and Maximum
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
I know that they (and Butch) claimed it was
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 10:30 AM
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Do you have the option of changing to a service where you pay a certain
amount per month for a certain
Hopefully you understand all of those:)
Part of Marlon's issue with the basic 802.11 system is talked about below,
but of course, since it's there, the tuneability helps, but does not
resolve the issue.
I beleive Marlon's reference to CSMA / CA is two pronged. While it's true
that recieved
You could route your high traffic folks out the one connection, and ratchet
their committed rate down to protect your peak usage periods. They could
burst when bandwidth was available without hurting you.
Jeff
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How does one get in touch with Jeremy Davis
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I will GUARANTEE Jeremy Davis can have
mks: And what happens when we have someone light up a Wmux type system
that's ALWAYS on? The time value won't make a difference since there
will
NEVER be totally clear air.
PL: Marlon, The available values are 0, 7, 15, 31, 63, 127, 255, 511
and
1023. A value of 0 means that the contention
Jeremy Davis @ (614)347-6229 or by e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How does one
Mark, yes that is true with basic CSMA/CA, but VL, again, allows
adjustments of parameters to prevent what you fear. For example, the ack
time is first based on the Max Cell Distance setting you set, so the
radio knows to expect, so to speak, an ack from each station within a
very specific time
Mark,
...also, in terms of your question about packet aggregation,
BreezeACCESS VL employs very aggressive concatenation. That is why it
delivers over 40,000 packets per second performance of small packets
(such as 64k frames). The radio also allows setting the Maximum
Concatenated Frame Size, as
I should also note our support of jumbo packets of 1600 bytes +
4 bytes of CRC. If VLAN is used the length is the same 1600 + 4 bytes.
This applies to version 4.0.23 or higher.
Patrick Leary
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Marlon,
I also just realized you asked what the Lost Beacon Threshold setting
is about. In standard CSMA/CA radios, the APs will reset if their
beacons are not received within a certain window, which can cause havoc
on the network. This can happen in high interference environments.
With
Remember VLs will be shipping with support for optional manual horizontal
Pol mounting, sometime early 2007 (Jan?).
Not going to be a problem getting 6 VLs on a tower anymore, before even
considering the 10Mhz channel option.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless
OK, so when we set the value to 0, how does the ap decide who it's going to
listen to and when it'll talk?
Is this the same as turning the radio into a polling mechanism?
Marlon
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This is a bit misleading and doesn't answer Marlon's question.
Entering a 0 value in the VL contention window algorithm setting will
indeed turn off the VL contention mechanism, but it will do little for the
client behind the VL radio trying to pass data.
Glossy advertisement buzz words like
Give the VL dual polarity via software control and you might have something
worth taking note about. Throw in dual band ability and now you're on the
right track.
As it sits now Alvarion is requiring you to visit every site you have a VL
radio and rotate it 90* in the event you need to do so.
marlon,
I have to disagree, and state the opposite.
I've always been a fan of TDD, especially when combined with DSSS to be able
to survive the noise, with better SNRs.
The problem occurs when DSSS is not enough to get above the noise. When the
noise is other OFDM or Wifi contention gear,
The Alvarion VL is great for bursty, best effort requirements where 90% of
the user applications can wait for that clear air within the noise floor,
but not for committed rate business class service.
Agreed. But what about when you are in an environment that TDD won't work
well? Sometimes the
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 11:44 AM
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Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Wrong answer, It should be the other way around. Because we
So contention window algorithm is a glossy advertisement buzz word?
Yeah, I'm sure thems some hot and sexy buzzwords there. Looks to me like
that's about as dry and technically desciptive -- i.e. the ANTITHESIS of
hype -- as well could do. Brad, if that's a BS glossy buzz word, then
exactly WHAT,
Almost as fun as predicting what product or policy Trango will
discontinue or otherwise dramatically change next!
Patrick
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 12:41 PM
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...okay, I went off the deep end there. It was wrong of me to insult the
competition because I'm allowing myself to be baited. Sorry folks. Sorry
Trango. Ghrr.
Patrick
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Sent: Tuesday, December
Marlon, if that's the type of product your looking for, I'll save you
the hassle of looking (and you can come back to this post in 5-10 years
to make your conclusions on my recommendation) because your best best is
to go with canopy or wait until a 5GHz 802.16e solution comes out(not
likely
Jon, LOL. Our engineers don't watch these threads and they probably
never will and I wouldn't want them to. It's funny that this thread was
started by a very happy Alvarion customer whom just broke the 1,000 cpe
threshold with VL and he's doing the very things that aren't supposed to
be possible
lol...rather than trying to change the subject Patrick, why not answer
Marlon's question?
Here it is to refresh your memory. Try to stay on topic.
mks: And what happens when we have someone light up a Wmux type system
that's ALWAYS on? The time value won't make a difference since there
will
Well, they didn't give Mel Gibson the benefit of the doubt. Why should we
you?
grin
Brad
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:16 PM
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lolyou continue to assert this is about Trango vs. Alvarion and it is
far from it. You appear threatened by Trango with comments like this.
I've said from day one we are results driven. If Trango produces the
results we are after then by golly we'll use Trango. If Alvarion produces
the
Hello Tom,
Alvarion's strength is it empowers an operator to engineer a more durable
link, based on antenna quality and flexibility.
Antenna quality I'll give you. Alvarion uses MTi antennas which by most all
accounts builds a quality product.
Flexibility? Not a chance.
No Dual Polarity +
I just wanted to weigh in here and add that filesharing and p2p is
really a main driver of the isp business model today and we're going to
have to do something to pull this in and make it equitable for everyone.
If you think about this, what we're all doing here is paying for
expensive
If we are in an environment where ANY particular solution will not produce
the results we are after then we look at other products. We will not tie
our hands to one brand. No reason to.
Our business model is different than the next and so on and so on. Yes, CIR
is what we sell not MIR. That
Sigh. Jon, I'm really not sure why you beat that drum when examples
exist all around that show it is not true. In fact, no tier 1 or 2
operator that deploys in the 5GHz unlicensed bands (i.e. operators that
tend to do lengthy trials, comparisons) that I know of has fallen for
that argument either,
Products that are best effort [snip product name]
end up making guys like us look bad.
I'm confused how can anyone do better than best effort in unlicensed
spectrum, regardless of manufacturer?
There is nothing worse than installing one day at 6Mbps and the next day
getting a call saying they
Marlon / et al wisp ceo's,
yes. your raw cost per mb is going to skyrocket once your users start
watching iptv over your trunkline. I'm going to be posting compression
and streaming solutions at http://iptv-coverage.com too. so please use
my new site to archive your own findings as well. that
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:34 PM
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Products that are best effort [snip product name]
end up making guys like us look bad.
Correct. Any medium used to deliver broadband can be broken. However,
frankly due to the fewer points of failure we typically see less downtime on
unlicensed wireless links than we do conventional LEC T1 circuits.
Like many things it all comes down to the geographic area. Would you expect
a
I think we largely agree mostly here Jon. With respect to our 900 and
legacy 2.4 hopping stuff a greater skill set may be required. With the
VL line this is not the case -- VL and Canopy should be very similar in
CPE install time unless you add the Canopy reflector, which should make
an install a
Let's use 900MHz as an example. We deployed Alvarion 900 on multiple
sites for over a year and it was a less than enjoyable experience. We
started by transitioning one site from Alvarion 900 to Canopy 900 and
things started working much better.
I may use licensed operations as an example only
Not sure how your Alvarion 900 was configured, but our you are aware
that our 900 and 2.4 have both supported GPS sync since day one right
Eight years before Canopy even launched)?
Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
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On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Yeah, I know you took it off for me. As I recall the conversation
you said that we could do some testing that would show that it
really did speed things up. But it also caused a delay when the
page was starting to load and that
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Mark McElvy wrote:
How does one get in touch with Jeremy Davis
it used to be [EMAIL PROTECTED], but not sure that is still good.
I've copied him on this email.
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Gents:
Funny watching all of this go back and forth- I think since it started
we have installed another 10-12 VL's for our customers. I really don't
know how you guys find the time to keep up with this.
You all can argue the merits of the technical abilities of the different
products but what
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Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] bits per mbps
On Tue, 26 Dec 2006, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
Yeah, I know you took it off for me. As I
The Alvarion VL is great for bursty, best effort requirements where 90% of
the user applications can wait for that clear air within the noise floor,
but not for committed rate business class service.
Best,
Brad
Brad, I see your almost continuous negative posts about VL and cannot
help
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
FYI, that is NOT how things worked with my Cobalt CacheRAQ. It was
amazing how quickly things snapped up on the page with it vs. without
it. Too bad it was an older unit and I could only use it by changing
the gateway addresses. And it had heat related lockup
Unfortunately, caching servers break a lot of sites' content
unintentionally. That is, they have to request a page from the requested
site as if it were the exact same configuration (same browser, same OS, same
plug-ins, etc., as the requestor) and then relay it to the requesting
subscriber as if
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