[ZION] Anybody else hear about this??

2003-11-19 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Hey Zionisti: It appears that the FCC has approved the use of the "F" word as an adjective. . .below is a link to the Miami Herald. What do you think about this? Was it only a matter of time? val http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/entertainment/6954210.htm .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.

Re: [ZION] The Programmer and the Engineer

2003-11-17 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I don't know about anyone else, but I found this little anecdote quite amusing. It made me chuckle all afternoon! Thanks, John. val .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤

[ZION] The Small World of the Church

2003-11-15 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I just wanted to share with you all something really neat. You know, as members of the church, it doesn't matter where we are, if we are with fellow LDS, we have a lot to talk about. It makes the world a smaller place. Inevitably, someone you meet knows someone you know, and you feel a closer co

Re: [ZION] Introducing Gary Smith

2003-11-15 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Sun, 9 Nov 2003 13:33:16 -0500 Gerald Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I look forward to meeting those in the Indiana/Midwest area. What > I > would love, is for us to plan a Nauvoo reunion get-together next > summer. > Meet on a Saturday, go to a session, then dinner/lunch, and walk > ar

Re: [ZION] Punch their lights out

2003-11-14 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
And what a great disguise he had. . .acting like he was an anti-communist. I mean, how else would McCarthy have "known" (suspected) of so many communists --and yet he went after all the wrong people? Coincidence? or Conspiracy? ;-) val On Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:47:30 -0700 Steven Montgomery <[EM

Re: [ZION] Dungeons and Dragons

2003-11-08 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
And I'm a Chaotic Neutral Half-Elf Bard. . . val On Sat, 8 Nov 2003 21:41:29 +0900 Cousin Bill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > New thread attempt number 2. > > The topic of Dungeons and Dragons has come up before. Someone > forwarded this to me, so I thought I would forward it to you > guys. If

Re: [ZION] Getting Married Older [was Official Doctrine #2]

2003-11-07 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
perature and weather that Indiana has to offer. Is this too picky? val On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 18:52:07 + Gerald Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Val, > What age range are you looking for in a guy? Maybe a few of us could > look for potential candidates in our areas for you. &g

Re: [ZION] Getting Married Older [was Official Doctrine #2]

2003-11-07 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I know not all are that way, but around here there are no LDS widowers, and online resources are all that are available. Of those, the majority don't want a widow. I realize that is not accurate for all men, but it seems to be the general feeling online. Now, if I could find someone like Pres.

[ZION] Getting Married Older [was Official Doctrine #2]

2003-11-07 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 02:36:29 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > John W. Redelfs wrote: > --- > Would that all the single men in the Church were as devoted to > keeping the commandment to marry as seriously as you did and do. > --- > > Many of us take it seriously too. As a singl

Re: [ZION] Catholics & Mormons unite

2003-11-06 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:14:18 -0900 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > This is a concern that I have, probably a futile concern. How can > we teach 1) that all the other churches contain some truth, and 2) that we > are the only true church? The two statements are not incompatibl

Re: [ZION] Conditional divine love

2003-11-04 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Wed, 5 Nov 2003 01:24:17 + Stephen Beecroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: For some reason, this topic generates a great deal of emotion in > people on both sides of the issue. I fail to understand why, even in > myself, such emotions arise. Because we ALL know that Father loves you mo

Re: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional?

2003-11-04 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:32:33 -0500 Ron Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > -Original Message- > > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 8:18 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [ZION] Is God's Love Unconditional? > >SNIP< God's lov

Re: [ZION] Wish List

2003-11-04 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
it nostalgic for the way ZION used to be. Heck, someone tried to start a food fight awhile back, and it went nowhere!! We need some life, and I think he sees that in you. John loves a good discussion, even if he disagrees totally with you. > something perverse up his sleeve. Ya think? T

Re: [ZION] Wish List

2003-11-03 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Heck, Ron. I was just thinking about you the other day. Are you still writing poetry? I lost my husband last year, and I've been cleaning things out ever since. I found some of the poems that you had sent way back when. Re-reading them really struck a different chord with me. They mean much m

Re: [ZION] Wish List

2003-11-03 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I miss Ron and Craig as well. I also miss Rena. She could really get things stirred up! I sent an invite to the last addy I had for Craig. When I talked to him last year, he said he was too busy to do ZION then. I hope that has changed. val On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 13:47:43 -0500 "Elmer L. Fairb

Re: [ZION] Farinacci's Test

2003-11-03 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I remember when Jeff first posted this about 9 years ago--then revised it several times. I also remember some new Zionisti thinking it was a serious survey! Funny thing is, it's still pretty relevant! val On Sun, 02 Nov 2003 17:51:06 -0900 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > With gre

Re: [ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists)

2003-10-05 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 00:46:18 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > -- Valerie Nielsen Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This IS the current way it works. My sister and her husband have > been > temple workers for years. They have 6 children. About 3 or 4 years > ago, >

[ZION] Women working in the temple (was feminists)

2003-10-05 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
This IS the current way it works. My sister and her husband have been temple workers for years. They have 6 children. About 3 or 4 years ago, President Hinckley said that women with children under 18 could not be temple workers. They should stay home with their children. My sister was allowed

Re: [ZION] Thought for the day

2003-09-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 14:10:16 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >I will have to say that I think JWR's email was woefully lacking in > >details > >on the new baby...maybe it's a female thing, but...is this a > grandson >or a > >granddaughter? What is the baby's name

Re: [ZION] Concealed Carry

2003-09-10 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Geez, Paul. I can't even get to the temple without breaking traffic laws. If I abided the laws on the Tri-state Tollway--which goes right up to the temple, I'd get run over and killed! Posted speed--55; reality, minimum of 70. I've had people fly past me when I was at 70 and just trying to keep

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-25 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
CTED]> writes: > > On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 22:10:05 -0500 Valerie Nielsen Williams > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating > > birthdays > > vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students &g

Re: [ZION] Regarding Celebrations of Birthdays

2003-08-25 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Well Paul, I had not heard the one about evil kings celebrating birthdays vis a vis birthdays are bad, but I have had a couple of students in my classes who are JW. They actually have a pamphlet to give to teachers of public schools on having a JW child in a classroom. The reason listed there is

Re: [ZION] wacky viruses

2003-08-21 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
This hit yesterday for me. I kept getting these bounce notices to people I didn't even know. It's the virus that takes my address out of someone else's address book, then sends the virus in an email with an attachment to everyone else in that person's phone book. Now, I don't have the virus, but

Re: [ZION] The September Six Today

2003-08-19 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I recall my father teaching me that those who turn from the church will sow seeds of confusion. I have a few comments . . . 1) I can't say this read was enlightening, but it was interesting. I feel pity for these folks. Look how many different places some have looked to try and find peace. T

Re: [ZION] Gnostic secrets and Gospel truths

2003-08-18 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
>An intriguing question -- if we enter the temple unworthily, how is our >presence there different from interlopers who intrude there? > >--- >Jim Cobabe .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The greater sin then be upon our

Re: [ZION] Miracles (was: Mars

2003-08-17 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Jon, I think this is beautiful, and a perfect example of a miracle. I think that all too often we think that we have to be able to watch water convert to wine before we will believe in miracles. There is a new show coming this fall, Joan of Arcadia. In one of the previews, "God" a

Re: [ZION] Mormon Faith in America

2003-08-15 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Not if she truly repented and was welcomed back into fellowship of the church. There is hope for ALL sinners until Jesus Christ says otherwise. Also, is the book favorable towards Mormon's or negative? That may make a difference as well. val On Thu, 14 Aug 2003 15:55:43 -0800 "John W. Redelf

Re: [ZION] The Exodus from Nauvoo

2003-08-14 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
8:30:34 -0400 Grampa Bill in Savannah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Valerie Nielsen Williams wrote: > > >I don't think, though, that the persecution will have the backing > of the government as it did in the days of Boggs. > > > =

Re: [ZION] Bankruptcy and LDS

2003-08-14 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I had to read this over a couple of times, and then ponder what this writer said before I could respond. My conclusion is that the writer is using flawed logic to make his case. He seems to be saying that we as LDS spend foolishly as long as we pay our tithing because we believe we will be financ

Re: [ZION] The Exodus from Nauvoo

2003-08-14 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
ble price and they > don't > even know it. What a terrible surprise that will be. If I have > faith, if > I truly live the gospel, what of any eternal significance can happen > to me? > > Just my two cents' worth... > Heidi the fair > > > > >

[ZION] Book Burning--witchcraft

2003-08-14 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
http://www.southbendtribune.com/stories/2003/08/06/local.20030806-sbt-MIC H-D6-Church_members_burn_.sto This link should take you to a story in our Tribune today about a group called Jesus Non-denomination Church that held a book burning. They burned Harry Potter, the Book of Mormon and other "wi

Re: [ZION] The Exodus from Nauvoo

2003-08-08 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
The feelings then are still present today. I have been to Nauvoo twice in the past year, and both times met up with people who absolutely hate us. I'm not sure they even know why they do, except it has been taught to them to hate. As I stood looking across the mighty Mississippi, I tried to imag

Re: [ZION] Samoa Temple

2003-07-12 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 15:39:10 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [snip] > > current > > Prophet does not necessarily mean the curse is no longer in > effect. > > > Ok, ok. No need to roast me over the coals. ;-) > > What has President Hinckley said about this stuff during his

Re: Sherlock Holmes anti-Mormon novel (was Re: [ZION] Dead List)

2003-07-11 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Speaking of interesting reading, what about the recently discovered Truman Diary. . .this morning a quote was read where he basically lambasted Jews, saying they had nothing on Hitler or Stalin when it comes to harming other people. Then he went on to say that any underdog who rises to power forge

Re: [ZION] I'm all shook up.

2003-05-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I'm with Heidi--When you live here, you can tell by the color of the sky when there is even a potential for a tornado, not to mention all the warning systems in place. Our county has Civil Defense sirens placed so that everyone can hear them. They even updated them a couple of years ago so they r

Re: [ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I can direct you to our local station's news story and what our local libraries are doing about it. Most libraries already have signs posted telling patrons about the new Patriot Act's policies. http://www.wndu.com/news/contact16/contact16_3291.php val On Wed, 28 May 2003 05:37:40 -0700 Stacy S

[ZION] Constitutional Losses

2003-05-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Okay Zionisti: For a long time, I have perused and mused as I read John Redelfs' thoughts on conspiricy theories. You see, I grew up with a dad who spoke very much the way John does, and so, as progeny often will, I intentionally went opposite in my thinking from where my dad was. See, I had

Re: [ZION] BYU bars use of R-rated movies

2002-12-20 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
And I'm sure they use the cry of "academic freedom" as justification for using these movies and as a basis for their intolerance for church standards. However, BYU is a private university last I knew, and as such, should not be subject to the same bullying by academicians as state-funded universi

Re: [ZION] "Dr" Red Green was right all along

2002-12-20 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
OK--my question--how DOES the duct tape work on a wart? val On Thu, 19 Dec 2002 21:20:14 + Chet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Marc A. Schindler wrote: > > Duct tape really is good for you... > > > > > http://www.nationalpost.com/home/story.html?id={C5BC794A-4AC7-4177-93A3-3 1E9EA95D88E} > >

Re: [ZION] LOTR

2002-12-17 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I do! My sons and I have a date -- I told my students today that I wouldn't be there tomorrow because we had an "appointment" that would take about 3 hours. . .they never figured it out ;-) val On Tue, 17 Dec 2002 19:00:54 -0500 Jon Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Only 5 hours until LOTR I

Re: [ZION] Other ordinances...

2002-11-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Thank you, Jim, for putting this out here. I love to read the Discourses of Brigham Young This book has been a great comfort to me and I have learned so much from it. Each time I read it again, I learn something new (hmmm, go figure). This particular passage is full of hope--it is beautiful an

Re: [ZION] December's Friend mag

2002-11-28 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Geez, Heidi--isn't this just like a guy! Never mind your son's picture was in the Friend (which, by the way, is really cool) and that he should be congratulated, it's all about the food! Must be Thanksgiving or something. . .;-) your sis in Mishawaka val On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 07:45:05 -0700 Steve

Re: [ZION] My current plans

2002-11-22 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Yee Ha! Gary's movin' to my neck of the woods!! OK, so he'll be a couple hours south, but what the hey. I don't know where you plan on relocating to, but north of Indy is Noblesville and Zionsville--both very nice areas. Lebanon is farther north west and is good for the small town feel close to

[ZION] Coffee, Tea or Eternity

2002-11-16 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I have heard that tannic acid is used in the making of coffee and tea and that can be more harmful than caffeine. It's kind of reminiscent of the WhiteLies anti-smoking campaign telling us what is REALLY in a cigarette--it ain't just tobacco. Yet I can remember not so many years ago when it was

Re: [ZION] Fwd: CONFIDENTIAL TRUSTEE NEEDED

2002-11-09 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Hey, no fair--she's mine! I've gotten a couple from her. Hmpf, and here I thought she way MY friend ;-o val On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 13:41:47 -0500 Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If you don't care for Nigerian scams, maybe Zaire will be a happier > match. > > > > > > > > DEAR

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-09 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
omigosh!! I can't quit laughing. . . val On Sat, 09 Nov 2002 09:18:12 -0700 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Here's the sound of begging: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Re: [ZION] Best Books

2002-11-09 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
My favorite is "The Discourses of Brigham Young"BY writes so I can understand. Joseph Smith is difficult for me to understand. I don't know why--probably the same reason certain scriptures mean more at certain times. Maybe when I'm ready. . . ;-) your sis in Mishawaka val On Fri, 8 Nov 200

Re: [ZION] Governing the Least

2002-11-09 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Fri, 08 Nov 2002 14:20:00 -0900 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: > >I do not want to see the U.S. destroyed. I just know that it will > > >be. Since I'd like to spend what remains of my mortal existence in > > >relative com

Re: [ZION] Best Arguments on Evolution

2002-11-09 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
> > At 12:31 PM 11/8/2002, you wrote: > > >He did. And I couldn't supply "one." > > > > > >It's kind of like saying that the answer to life, the universe > and > > >everything is 42. > > > You mean it's NOT! (as she pulls out her son's copy of Hitchhikers Guide for ref.) val

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-11-04 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Oh Dear Scott: I had no idea what you have been through. I get off of ZION for a few years, and everything falls apart!! As I read between the lines, I see a great deal of suffering and sorrow and am reminded of what Eve said in the Garden--that we must needs pass through sorrow in

[ZION] "Life Everlasting" Duane S. Crowther

2002-11-02 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Hey Zion: Just wanting to know if anyone has read "Life Everlasting" by Crowther, and if so, what do you think. It was recommended to me by a friend who knows that since Tom died, I've been devouring the words of prophets and scriptures to learn all I can about the Plan of Salvation, the S

Re: [ZION] The veil

2002-10-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 11:26:43 -0900 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I have heard it said that if we could > only pierce that veil we would hold each other in much higher > regard. > > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-29 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Tue, 29 Oct 2002 20:31:22 + Jim Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Paul Osborne wrote: > --- > No one in this church can be excommunicated for simply teaching > false > doctrine. > --- > > Fortunate for me--I get it wrong nearly every time, and I wouldn't > have > lasted long in th

Re: [ZION] Jerusalem temple

2002-10-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:08:21 -0900 "John W. Redelfs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 11:46 PM, Saturday, 10/26/02, Paul Osborne wrote: > >And by the way--you said: "They do not have *all* the saving truths > or > >ordinances" but I submit to you that they have NONE because all > saving > >tru

Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
We have many sects in this area who are Messianic Jews. They DO believe Christ is the Messiah. Unfortunately, there are those of traditional Jewish belief who shun and bad mouth them. The Messianic Jews have even had crosses burned in their yards--crosses the KKK says wasn't them. Go figure. v

[ZION] Hindu Temple

2002-10-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 09:31:28 -0500 (Easter Noel Bennion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have to assume that the 'value' gained from helping other churches > comes > from the missionary opportunities that result. It would be > interesting to > see if anyone involved in these types of donations

Re: [ZION] Who is the House of Israel?

2002-10-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Noel: After reading your response to John, I had a thought (I know, scary thing). Sometimes--in fact many times--in the scriptures and doctrines of the church, one word does mean many different things. For example--salvation and exaltation. Are they the same?? Sometimes "Salvation" is u

[ZION] Sniper Victims

2002-10-23 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
Marc: Maybe a little ;-)I've pasted articles below on each victim. val > Hmm. Maybe I've got my wires crossed. The one I'm thinking of worked > at the time > of her death at the FBI (which doesn't say what she did earlier), > and she had red > hair. Doe

Re: [ZION] DC sniper

2002-10-23 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
I didn't know this, but I do know that when the woman vaccuuming her van was killed, the news said she was a "former nanny, married and a recent convert to the Mormon Church." val On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 19:40:03 -0600 "Marc A. Schindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > By the way, did you know that th

Re: [ZION] High Priests have money

2002-10-23 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002 18:09:51 -0500 Paul Osborne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Did I say that a man had to be wealthy to become a GA? The unwritten > rule > is that he has to have money and resources. He almost always has a > prestigious job and a fine education. That is what the Lord is > loo

Re: [ZION] New scripture

2002-10-15 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 14:49:58 -0400 Jon Spencer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My wife just received a letter from Church Distribution to our > bookstore > outlining the changes in their scripture lines. There are only two > changes > to the contents of the scriptures: > > 1. Doctrine and Cove