subject:"Re\: \[Zope\] Help"

Thanks Fernando. I would choose ZOPE or Django and a new provider at the drop 
of a hat - if someone can confirm if that's the way to go. However, since, 
there are too many grey areas, it might be better if I stuck to what I have and 
see how things turn out. Once again, thanks for your support. Appreciate it!
- Sareesh

Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:19:25 +0100
From: ferna...@cmartins.nl
To: ays...@hotmail.com
CC: n...@syndicat.com; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App

On 12/04/2011 05:15 PM, Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:

As you mentioned, if I have to use mySQL, isn't it better for me
to go with PHP+mySQL - easier to learn and deploy? Can I just
start out with a framework like Symphony instead?

Well, if all you have is PHP + MySQL in your provider, there is no
"which is better" question, is it?

You might want to look at http://phptal.org/ a library that provides
a templating system similar to ZPT. The advantage is the better
separation between presentation and business layers.

Regards,

Fernando
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Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App

2011-12-04 Thread John Schinnerer


Aloha,

Very briefly, from what you describe, it looks like you are dealing with 
large numbers of complex objects (your 'tools') that interact with each 
other - and with some other elements that are going through this 
workflow process? And a context for the process? ...not sure of that part...


In any case, this looks (to me anyhow) like a very object-oriented 
system you are modeling so an object oriented approach and language 
would seem most suitable. Python is one reasonable language option; zope 
for the web publishing aspect of the project would fit well with that. I 
haven't worked with other OO languages enough to usefully compare.


It also sounds to me like the web publishing is the lesser part of 
this...? That is, the workflow of interacting tools is the real 'app' 
here, a process which does not all get shown somehow on a web page...or 
does it? Or just the outcomes?


LAMP platform is so common and cheap that it's all a lot of people know 
about. It can be used well, and, it is all too easy to make horrible 
hacks and Frankestein monster apps in PHP/MySQL.


Meaning, a highly structured (yet powerful) OO programming language will 
support you in avoiding that.


Also, for development (or just to explore if python+zope might meet your 
needs) you don't need any hosting, you can install python+zope on your 
development system and try it out.


best wishes...
John S.


On 12/03/2011 07:12 PM, Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:

I have a personal project - a web application I wanted to develop - but
I'm confused on which route to take. I am not under any time constraint.


*About the App:*

The best I can describe it is as a kind of expert system (but not AI)
that needs to find the best workflow for a process, given a set of
initial and final parameters. E.g. a 'capsule' of data must pass through
many 'tools' or 'environments' to reach a desired output - something
like a very complicated car wash.

Let's say there are many tools that can be used at various stages in the
process. I have estimated there are at least 500 tools as of now, and it
is bound to grow in the future as newer tools are introduced. Existing
tools will also have version updates.

Each tool, on average, has at least 100 properties that define the tool.
Some of them have as high as 1000 unique properties. Some of these tools
are linked to each other - e.g if one tool is selected, there are only n
tools that can correspond to it for the next step in the process. I also
have the problem of 'matching' the tools for analysis. E.g. Tool A might
have only three fixed rpms - 100, 200 and 500, but Tool B might have
rpms from 20 to 2000. I'm not sure how I can construct a database
without spelling out each number, as in the example above.

The total number of tools needed for the process can be defined at the
beginning, however, it will change as the application becomes more
complex in the future. I plan to address every contingency in the
process. The idea is - if the user inputs the initial parameters and the
desired outcome (another set of parameters), the app must find the
'best' path - sort of like a decision tree. The best path can be the
fastest, cheapest, etc. I would like the user to choose what is best for
him/her.

Unfortunately, parameters might change, relationships might change (but
not regularly) - the 'rules' I will be using might be revised for better
accuracy in prediction.

I also need to track each user's path and solutions' for future
reference (but no personal details except username and email address for
logging in). Maybe when the app is up and running, I'd like to make it
more democratic, with users contributing to refining the logic/rules
involved.

If possible, I would also like the app to output a graphical flowchart
at the end showing the workflow with all tools grouped in an easy to
understand layout.


*My questions:*

 1. Will the app be better served with a relational DB like mySQL or an
Object database? After a lot of research I've guessed that my
particular case might be better served with Python and Zope/ZODB.
But I might be wrong? Maybe PHP+mySQL or Django is a better fit?
 2. Can anyone provide general advice on how to go about beginning such
a project in ZOPE. Which is the best place to start learning for a
newbie?
 3. Can anyone recommend a good shared hosting provider that supports
Zope fully but is not expensive?
 4. Is there a module or app that is open source that I can use to
output a graphical flowchart based on the results, or will I be
better served programming it from scratch with Python?

I would appreciate any help in getting started. Thank you in advance. I
have tried most online forums but have not good any productive answers.
Most of the answers I got were pro-PHP+mySQL.


Adam



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Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App

2011-12-04 Thread Fernando Martins


On 12/04/2011 05:15 PM, Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:
As you mentioned, if I have to use mySQL, isn't it better for me to go 
with PHP+mySQL - easier to learn and deploy? Can I just start out with 
a framework like Symphony instead?


Well, if all you have is PHP + MySQL in your provider, there is no 
"which is better" question, is it?


You might want to look at http://phptal.org/ a library that provides a 
templating system similar to ZPT. The advantage is the better separation 
between presentation and business layers.


Regards,
Fernando
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Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App



Thanks Fernando! I really appreciate the time and effort you have put in 
answering my query. My personality sides with Python but my hosting provider 
does not support Django or Zope.
As you mentioned, if I have to use mySQL, isn't it better for me to go with 
PHP+mySQL - easier to learn and deploy? Can I just start out with a framework 
like Symphony instead?
In the future I'll have to use either Python or C/C++ for my business logic and 
math. But the focus now is to get a prototype out, and if I'm doomed to change 
everything later I might as well start with the easiest and most obvious. Is 
this a viable starting point compared to what you have suggested? Or am I 
missing something?
-Sareesh
Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:28:36 +0100
From: ferna...@cmartins.nl
To: ays...@hotmail.com
CC: n...@syndicat.com; zope@zope.org
Subject: Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App



  



  
  
On 12/04/2011 09:52 AM, Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:

  
  
Thanks
  Niels. Just to clarify:
Does
my particular instance fall under an OODBMS model or a RDBMS
model (with ORM if necessary)? 


  


  

Data modelling is a bit of an art and probably you could tackle your
problem with any approach. I think the important is for you to
figure out which model suits more your personality. No kidding.



I would personally start with the RDBMS approach considering only
the information you provide. Also, you can easily use zope in
combination with a RDBMS. When you read the book, beware that zope
has been changing from a "through the web" approach, to a typical
file system based approach, which is a loss, but it seems to be what
suits the needs of the zope developers.



The approach I use is: 



zpt page -> (one) Python Script -> (some) ZSQL Methods ->
MySQL



The zpt defines the layout of the pages, the ZSQL Methods retrieve
the data needed and the Python script massages the data to make it
suitable for the ZPT page. Or the other way around, from user input
in a form to storage in the database.



The advantage of the relational approach is that it is a very well
understood model and although different people will still come to
different models there are sufficient objective guidelines out there
(e.g., the normalization rules, and then criteria for when to
denormalise) to help you along. Furthermore, there are lots of
people in db-related forums that can help you. 



Also, RDBMS provides you with a "standard" query language, SQL,
which plenty of systems and tools can use. In general, RDBMS gives
you the safest approach to keep your data and not loose it when you
need to migrate either the front-end or the back-end. This language
is very powerful and can avoid you a lot of low level programming. 



However, plenty of people can not deal well with SQL because it
follows a paradigm so different from the classic imperative
programming. With SQL, you specify the "what", with the other
languages you specify the "how". The advantage of the "what" is that
you can do a lot of data processing in a few lines of code. The
problem with the "what" is that because you don't know the "how" of
it, you feel you don't have control and you are led to say the
language is "obscure" or "unreadable". 



However, even if you are not comfortable with the "what" (you have
to try to know), you can still rely on an library like SQLAlchemy to
keep you a bit in the comfort zone of the "how". So instead of
learning SQL, you need to learn the API of a specific library. Your
choice. I recommend the first by far.



The real main issue with Relational is that it is a highly
structured data model. It allows you to keep high quality data but
if you don't get it right soon enough in the development cycle, some
later changes can have a huge impact in the application, requiring
rewrites. Furthermore, it works the best when you have many objects
with the same properties. If you have many entities all different
from each other (the tools in your case, maybe), then maybe a OODBMS
might be better. But here, there is no standard language, or
standard whatever. Perosnally, I would avoid as much as possible to
put data in something like ZODB (I use it merely to store and manage
the application).



The problem with your specific case is that it does not seem to be a
typical case of books and authors, which might be a risk for someone
without experience. The issue "Tool A might have only three fixed
rpms - 100, 200 and 500, but Tool B might have rpms from 20 to

Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App

2011-12-04 Thread Fernando Martins


On 12/04/2011 09:52 AM, Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:

Thanks Niels. Just to clarify:
Does my particular instance fall under an OODBMS model or a RDBMS 
model (with ORM if necessary)?



Data modelling is a bit of an art and probably you could tackle your 
problem with any approach. I think the important is for you to figure 
out which model suits more your personality. No kidding.


I would personally start with the RDBMS approach considering only the 
information you provide. Also, you can easily use zope in combination 
with a RDBMS. When you read the book, beware that zope has been changing 
from a "through the web" approach, to a typical file system based 
approach, which is a loss, but it seems to be what suits the needs of 
the zope developers.


The approach I use is:

zpt page -> (one) Python Script -> (some) ZSQL Methods -> MySQL

The zpt defines the layout of the pages, the ZSQL Methods retrieve the 
data needed and the Python script massages the data to make it suitable 
for the ZPT page. Or the other way around, from user input in a form to 
storage in the database.


The advantage of the relational approach is that it is a very well 
understood model and although different people will still come to 
different models there are sufficient objective guidelines out there 
(e.g., the normalization rules, and then criteria for when to 
denormalise) to help you along. Furthermore, there are lots of people in 
db-related forums that can help you.


Also, RDBMS provides you with a "standard" query language, SQL, which 
plenty of systems and tools can use. In general, RDBMS gives you the 
safest approach to keep your data and not loose it when you need to 
migrate either the front-end or the back-end. This language is very 
powerful and can avoid you a lot of low level programming.


However, plenty of people can not deal well with SQL because it follows 
a paradigm so different from the classic imperative programming. With 
SQL, you specify the "what", with the other languages you specify the 
"how". The advantage of the "what" is that you can do a lot of data 
processing in a few lines of code. The problem with the "what" is that 
because you don't know the "how" of it, you feel you don't have control 
and you are led to say the language is "obscure" or "unreadable".


However, even if you are not comfortable with the "what" (you have to 
try to know), you can still rely on an library like SQLAlchemy to keep 
you a bit in the comfort zone of the "how". So instead of learning SQL, 
you need to learn the API of a specific library. Your choice. I 
recommend the first by far.


The real main issue with Relational is that it is a highly structured 
data model. It allows you to keep high quality data but if you don't get 
it right soon enough in the development cycle, some later changes can 
have a huge impact in the application, requiring rewrites. Furthermore, 
it works the best when you have many objects with the same properties. 
If you have many entities all different from each other (the tools in 
your case, maybe), then maybe a OODBMS might be better. But here, there 
is no standard language, or standard whatever. Perosnally, I would avoid 
as much as possible to put data in something like ZODB (I use it merely 
to store and manage the application).


The problem with your specific case is that it does not seem to be a 
typical case of books and authors, which might be a risk for someone 
without experience. The issue "Tool A might have only three fixed rpms - 
100, 200 and 500, but Tool B might have rpms from 20 to 2000", is indeed 
tricky. I suspect in general the needs of your system will be too 
specific to be able to rely only on SQL queries. You would need to put a 
lot of intelligence in the data (really highly structured) and it might 
become unmanageable or not scalable.


I guess you will need to put a lot of intelligence in the Python Script. 
So, the ZSQL retrieves the relevant tool data and then makes the tool 
choice. The knowledge of the meaning of the attributes is maintained in 
programming.


I should say I am not totally sure the Python Script is the best 
approach here, in terms of management facilities. But Python is surely a 
very good language due to its readability. However, you might need to 
use External methods or a more typical file-system based Python approach.


Or maybe you actually need to create a Domain Specific Language to 
encode the intelligence needed for your tool selection process. If your 
python code becomes repetitive, with patterns showing up, then a DSL 
might be a good approach, but this might be too much engineering for you 
at this stage. It looks like you are in a typical CIM scenario and I 
remember handling a similar problem 20 years ago. I vaguely remember at 
that time to use custom graph structures in C and the the intelligence 
was coded in Lisp/Scheme. So, there is a big range of solutions to try 
out :)


If you have time, then the simple approac

Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App


Thanks Niels. Just to clarify:Does my particular instance fall under an OODBMS 
model or a RDBMS model (with ORM if necessary)? 
I will begin by reading the Zope Book. Thanks for your assistance. Appreciate 
it.
-ss


> Subject: Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App
> From: n...@syndicat.com
> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 09:24:10 +0100
> To: ays...@hotmail.com; zope@zope.org
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sareesh Sudhakaran  schrieb:
> 
> >My questions:Will the app be better served with a relational DB like
> >mySQL or an Object database? After a lot of research I've guessed that
> >my particular case might be better served with Python and Zope/ZODB.
> >But I might be wrong? Maybe PHP+mySQL or Django is a better fit?Can
> >anyone provide general advice on how to go about beginning such a
> >project in ZOPE.
> This hardly depends from your data structure, but with Zope you have the 
> option to use ZODB and SQL DBs like MySQL in parallel. Typical relational 
> data should go into a SQLDB while complex / oo Data structures should go into 
> ZODB.
> 
> We developed several complex to very complex web based applications - incl. 
> expert systems - on Zope ZODB plus MySQL. I can't believe that someone would 
> be able to solve such issues with PHP/SQL within the same time / ressources.
> 
> 
>  Which is the best place to start learning for a
> >newbie?
> You should start by trying the short zope practice / excercise as described 
> in the Zope book.
> 
> The Zope Book should be the best source for getting into Zope step by step 
> from "nothing". ß)
> 
> 
>  Can anyone recommend a good shared hosting provider that
> >supports Zope fully but is not expensive?
> Looking for "zope hosting" or similiar in google should advice you. Our 
> company - as one of many - offers Zope hosting to.
> 
> 
> Is there a module or app that
> >is open source that I can use to output a graphical flowchart based on
> >the results, or will I be better served programming it from scratch
> >with Python?
> There are different modules as i.e. Python Imaging (PIL) and higher level 
> modules.
> 
> 
> I would appreciate any help in getting started. Thank you
> >in advance. I have tried most online forums but have not good any
> >productive answers. Most of the answers I got were pro-PHP+mySQL.
> 
> Yes, because the peoples did not know anything other solution usually...
> 
> 
> cheers,
> 
> 
> Niels.
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Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App



Thanks AJ. I assumed an OODBMS would be the right choice because of the object 
nature of my 'tools'. Of course, it was an assumption. Instead of 
Pyramid+RDBMS, can I use PHP+mySQL (my current hosting provider supports 
this).If ZODB isn't for my project, then would a GraphDB help? I have no idea 
on where to start with Graph DB - I've read the wikis and it's made me more 
confused.
-ss


> Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 08:40:28 +0100
> From: li...@zopyx.com
> To: ays...@hotmail.com
> CC: zope@zope.org
> Subject: Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> - From reading: your database model appears pretty much relational.
> Where would you take advantages from using Zope as framework?
> This sounds like a task for Pyramid + RDBMS or a graph DB.
> 
> - -aj
> 
> Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:
> > I have a personal project - a web application I wanted to develop - 
> > but I'm confused on which route to take. I am not under any time 
> > constraint.
> > 
> > 
> > *About the App:*
> > 
> > The best I can describe it is as a kind of expert system (but not AI)
> > that needs to find the best workflow for a process, given a set of
> > initial and final parameters. E.g. a 'capsule' of data must pass 
> > through many 'tools' or 'environments' to reach a desired output - 
> > something like a very complicated car wash.
> > 
> > Let's say there are many tools that can be used at various stages in 
> > the process. I have estimated there are at least 500 tools as of
> > now, and it is bound to grow in the future as newer tools are
> > introduced. Existing tools will also have version updates.
> > 
> > Each tool, on average, has at least 100 properties that define the 
> > tool. Some of them have as high as 1000 unique properties. Some of 
> > these tools are linked to each other - e.g if one tool is selected, 
> > there are only n tools that can correspond to it for the next step
> > in the process. I also have the problem of 'matching' the tools for 
> > analysis. E.g. Tool A might have only three fixed rpms - 100, 200
> > and 500, but Tool B might have rpms from 20 to 2000. I'm not sure how
> > I can construct a database without spelling out each number, as in
> > the example above.
> > 
> > The total number of tools needed for the process can be defined at 
> > the beginning, however, it will change as the application becomes 
> > more complex in the future. I plan to address every contingency in 
> > the process. The idea is - if the user inputs the initial parameters 
> > and the desired outcome (another set of parameters), the app must 
> > find the 'best' path - sort of like a decision tree. The best path 
> > can be the fastest, cheapest, etc. I would like the user to choose 
> > what is best for him/her.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, parameters might change, relationships might change 
> > (but not regularly) - the 'rules' I will be using might be revised 
> > for better accuracy in prediction.
> > 
> > I also need to track each user's path and solutions' for future 
> > reference (but no personal details except username and email address 
> > for logging in). Maybe when the app is up and running, I'd like to 
> > make it more democratic, with users contributing to refining the 
> > logic/rules involved.
> > 
> > If possible, I would also like the app to output a graphical 
> > flowchart at the end showing the workflow with all tools grouped in 
> > an easy to understand layout.
> > 
> > 
> > *My questions:*
> > 
> > 1. Will the app be better served with a relational DB like mySQL or 
> > an Object database? After a lot of research I've guessed that my 
> > particular case might be better served with Python and Zope/ZODB.
> > But I might be wrong? Maybe PHP+mySQL or Django is a better fit? 2.
> > Can anyone provide general advice on how to go about beginning such
> > a project in ZOPE. Which is the best place to start learning for a 
> > newbie? 3. Can anyone recommend a good shared hosting provider that 
> > supports Zope fully but is not expensive? 4. Is there a module or
> > app that is open source that I can use to output a graphical
> > flowchart based on the results, or will I be better served
> > programming it from scratch with Python?
> > 
> > I would appreciate any help in getting started. Thank you in
> > advance. I have tried most online forums but have not good any
> >

Re: [Zope] Help in deciding approach to Web App

2011-12-03 Thread Andreas Jung

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- From reading: your database model appears pretty much relational.
Where would you take advantages from using Zope as framework?
This sounds like a task for Pyramid + RDBMS or a graph DB.

- -aj

Sareesh Sudhakaran wrote:
> I have a personal project - a web application I wanted to develop - 
> but I'm confused on which route to take. I am not under any time 
> constraint.
> 
> 
> *About the App:*
> 
> The best I can describe it is as a kind of expert system (but not AI)
> that needs to find the best workflow for a process, given a set of
> initial and final parameters. E.g. a 'capsule' of data must pass 
> through many 'tools' or 'environments' to reach a desired output - 
> something like a very complicated car wash.
> 
> Let's say there are many tools that can be used at various stages in 
> the process. I have estimated there are at least 500 tools as of
> now, and it is bound to grow in the future as newer tools are
> introduced. Existing tools will also have version updates.
> 
> Each tool, on average, has at least 100 properties that define the 
> tool. Some of them have as high as 1000 unique properties. Some of 
> these tools are linked to each other - e.g if one tool is selected, 
> there are only n tools that can correspond to it for the next step
> in the process. I also have the problem of 'matching' the tools for 
> analysis. E.g. Tool A might have only three fixed rpms - 100, 200
> and 500, but Tool B might have rpms from 20 to 2000. I'm not sure how
> I can construct a database without spelling out each number, as in
> the example above.
> 
> The total number of tools needed for the process can be defined at 
> the beginning, however, it will change as the application becomes 
> more complex in the future. I plan to address every contingency in 
> the process. The idea is - if the user inputs the initial parameters 
> and the desired outcome (another set of parameters), the app must 
> find the 'best' path - sort of like a decision tree. The best path 
> can be the fastest, cheapest, etc. I would like the user to choose 
> what is best for him/her.
> 
> Unfortunately, parameters might change, relationships might change 
> (but not regularly) - the 'rules' I will be using might be revised 
> for better accuracy in prediction.
> 
> I also need to track each user's path and solutions' for future 
> reference (but no personal details except username and email address 
> for logging in). Maybe when the app is up and running, I'd like to 
> make it more democratic, with users contributing to refining the 
> logic/rules involved.
> 
> If possible, I would also like the app to output a graphical 
> flowchart at the end showing the workflow with all tools grouped in 
> an easy to understand layout.
> 
> 
> *My questions:*
> 
> 1. Will the app be better served with a relational DB like mySQL or 
> an Object database? After a lot of research I've guessed that my 
> particular case might be better served with Python and Zope/ZODB.
> But I might be wrong? Maybe PHP+mySQL or Django is a better fit? 2.
> Can anyone provide general advice on how to go about beginning such
> a project in ZOPE. Which is the best place to start learning for a 
> newbie? 3. Can anyone recommend a good shared hosting provider that 
> supports Zope fully but is not expensive? 4. Is there a module or
> app that is open source that I can use to output a graphical
> flowchart based on the results, or will I be better served
> programming it from scratch with Python?
> 
> I would appreciate any help in getting started. Thank you in
> advance. I have tried most online forums but have not good any
> productive answers. Most of the answers I got were pro-PHP+mySQL.
> 
> 
> Adam
> 
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Re: [Zope] help with running a dtml method

2009-03-27 Thread Dieter Maurer

Dvir Bar-lev wrote at 2009-3-26 10:12 +0200:
>I have a site with the following  folder structure in zope:
>Dvir
>WebSite
>  contentPages
>
>I have and index_html in the WebSite folder, in it I call a dtml method
>that's in the contentPages folder named overview_html,
>
>in the same folder (content Pages) I have another dtml_method named
>time_combo.
>
>In the overview_html I try to call the time combo method - I tried:
>
>
>
>But it keeps saying it has an error :
>
>Error Type: NameError
>Error Value: name 'time_combo' is not defined

Unlike a "DTMLDocument", a "DTMLMethod" does not change the context
from name lookup. Depending on how you call the method
you may even loose all context.

To learn more about DMTL calling, read
http://www.handshake.de/~dieter/pyprojects/zope/book/chap3.html#c37ac15c14b5



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Re: [Zope] Help with my first steps

2009-02-21 Thread Dieter Maurer

deconya wrote at 2009-2-20 15:14 +0100:
>Im new in this list and I need help for my first steps. Im received a server
>with zope installed to administer 3 webs but one has the problem that fails
>the configuration to establish the initial page.

I fear you need some background reading to understand how Zope
works. The "Zope Book", 2.7 edition, on "http://plope.org";
may be a good starting point.

After you skimmed the book, come back if questions remain.



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Re: [Zope] Help with my first steps

2009-02-20 Thread Andreas Jung

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> Hi
> 
> Im new in this list and I need help for my first steps. Im received a
> server with zope installed to administer 3 webs but one has the problem
> that fails the configuration to establish the initial page. Im searching
> where you can configure to publish the webs but I could see the process
> to publish but no where you can put the initial page inside zope. Im
> sure the question es stupid but I need to resolve urgently this problem
> and Im not pacience to read all the manual. Someone can help me?
> 
>

This description is pretty poor. In general: the mapping of domains ->
Zope host/port is known as "virtual hosting" and usually configured
through rewrite rules or something similar within your front-end proxy
(Apache, Squid & friends) - or old fashioned through settings
within the instance of the "virtual host monster" somewhere in the root
of the ZMI.

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Re: [Zope] help debugging a "can't pickle" error deep within a catalog reindex

2008-06-19 Thread Dieter Maurer

Rob Miller wrote at 2008-6-17 15:47 -0700:
> ...
>Traceback (most recent call last):
> 
>"/home/rob/topp/14000/builds/20080611/opencore/lib/zope/lib/python/ZODB/serialize.py",
> 
>line 407, in serialize
> return self._dump(meta, obj.__getstate__())
>   File 
>"/home/rob/topp/14000/builds/20080611/opencore/lib/zope/lib/python/ZODB/serialize.py",
> 
>line 416, in _dump
> self._p.dump(state)
>   File "copy_reg.py", line 69, in _reduce_ex
> raise TypeError, "can't pickle %s objects" % base.__name__
>TypeError: can't pickle instancemethod objects

Reproduce the problem in an interactive Python interpreter
("bin/zopectl debug" on *nix; alternatives for Win*).
Call "pdb.pm()" (or probably better "dm.pdb.zpdb.pm()" ("dm.pdb"
can be found on PyPI)) and go up two call frames.
Look at "obj". With a bit of looks, you see which objects
this is and where it comes from.

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Re: [Zope] Help writing test where bobobase_modification_time changes

2008-04-11 Thread Peter Bengtsson

Thanks for the tips Chris and Dieter, I actually solved it in a very simple way:

from OFS.Image import File
from time import time
class MockFile(File):
""" This file works the same as a normal File expect that
in manage_edit() the internal modification time is set immediately.
Normally Zope objects get their internal modification set when
the transaction manager commits.
"""

def manage_edit(self, title, content_type, precondition='',
filedata=None, REQUEST=None):
# here's the mock hack, we set the _p_mtime NOW instead of letting
# the transaction manager do it at the end.
self._p_mtime = time()
return File.manage_edit(self, title, content_type,
precondition=precondition,
filedata=filedata, REQUEST=REQUEST)

This worked beautifully in the integration test. I'm happy.

On 10/04/2008, Chris Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Peter Bengtsson wrote:
>
> > How can I solve this? Make one big transaction two without having to
> > use transaction.get().commit() which I don't think I can use in unit
> > tests as per Dieter's advice.
> >
>
>  I'd suggest monkeypatching bobobase_modification_time on the objects you're
> testing with. You're testing your cache code, not the implementation of
> those objects, so replacing them with (partially) dummy objects is great for
> avoiding this kind of problem and is a pattern I've used frequently...
>
>  cheers,
>
>  Chris
>
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Re: [Zope] Help writing test where bobobase_modification_time changes

2008-04-10 Thread Chris Withers


Peter Bengtsson wrote:

How can I solve this? Make one big transaction two without having to
use transaction.get().commit() which I don't think I can use in unit
tests as per Dieter's advice.


I'd suggest monkeypatching bobobase_modification_time on the objects 
you're testing with. You're testing your cache code, not the 
implementation of those objects, so replacing them with (partially) 
dummy objects is great for avoiding this kind of problem and is a 
pattern I've used frequently...


cheers,

Chris

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Re: [Zope] Help writing test where bobobase_modification_time changes

2008-04-09 Thread Dieter Maurer

Peter Bengtsson wrote at 2008-4-8 19:08 +0100:
> ...
>The reason it fails on the last line is that the time difference
>between the first time and the second time is nil. Adding a
>time.sleep(1) won't change anything because the
>bobobase_modification_time() doesn't change.
>
>How can I solve this?

Not easy.

"bobobase_modification_time()" is in fact a "DateTime" representation
of "_p_serial". And "_p_serial" is the transaction id (also a timestamp)
that has committed the object state belonging to this object incarnation.

Unfortunately, you must not commit a transaction in a test suite
(as this may cause interference with other tests).

There is a small chance that a savepoint changed "_p_serial" --
but the chance is only small...

You might be able to write "_p_serial" yourself and thereby
trick "bobobase_modification_time()".



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Re: [Zope] help with customizing error messages, Zope 2.9

2007-09-21 Thread Dieter Maurer

Dennis Allison wrote at 2007-9-20 09:37 -0700:
> ...
>standard_error_message should be acquired.  It should be possible for
>there to be multiple copies with the particular one to be used selected by
>acquisition.  This does not appear to be the case for some errors in my
>configuration, but I am not sure why.  

You are right -- and I can explain why.

>There appears to be nothing in the Zope 2.9 zope.conf file that has to do
>with catching error messages.  Is there some configuration that is 
>missing to enable full custom error messages.
>
>Looking at the code:
>
>ZPublisher/HTTPResponse.py seems to have a complete set of error
>responses hard-wired with outputs that mimic those of the default
>standard_error_message.
>
>OFS/SimpleItem.py includes a method called raise_standardErrorMessage
>which first acquires and then publishes the standard_error_message.
>
>Zope2/App/startup.py has a method, zpublisher_exception_hook which 
>uses raise_standardErrorMessage and is referenced in ZPublisher/Publish.py
>where it is used to set error_hook, but error_hook does not appear to be 
>used.
>
>It would be helpful to me if someone who understands how this particular 
>code works could provide some hints as to what's needed to fully customize 
>the error message responses.

We start with ZPublisher. It is this component that
catches the exception and activate error handling.

ZPublisher was designed as a general publication component -- to
be used not only for "Zope". Therefore, it has
neither error handling nor transaction handling nor a few other
things hard coded.
Instead, it gets a module name and determines the relevant
pieces by a call to "ZPublisher.Publish.get_module_info(module_name)".

When "ZPublisher" is used for Zope, then "module_name" is
"Zope2". "Zope2" defines "Zope2.zpublisher_exception_hook"
as its exception hook (which does the error handling).
The true "zpublisher_exception_hook" is defined
(as you found out) in "Zope2.App.startup" and copied
to "Zope2" by the "_startup" call.


When ZPublisher catches an exception, it calls the error hook
with "parents[0]" (the last or second to last object traversed to), the
request and the error information.

"zpublisher_exception_hook" then looks in the
acquisition context of "parents[0]"
for 'raise_standardErrorMessage' and 'standard_error_message'.
If either of them is not found, the exception is
raised -- and handled by the response object in a standard (minimal) way.

Otherwise, 'raise_standardErrorMessage(standard_error_message, ...)'
is called.


The problem which sometimes causes surprises with respect
to the used 'standard_error_message' lies in "parents[0]":

  When the exception happens during traversal, then
  "parents[0]" is not the object you may expect -- but
  lies above the expected object.

  The problem is especially bad when the exception
  is raised by "request.processInputs". In this case,
  the traversal did not even start and "parents[0]"
  is the root object. Consequently, for these exceptions,
  you will always get the "standard_error_message" from your
  root folder -- even when the request was targeted to some
  object deep inside your site.

  "processInputs" may raise exceptions when you use e.g.
  ZPublisher type conversions, e.g. ":int" or ":float"
  and the provided value cannot be converted.
  If you do not like this, you should not use ZPublisher
  type conversions.


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Re: [Zope] Help with DateTime.earliestTime()

2007-08-26 Thread Dieter Maurer

Eric Thomas wrote at 2007-8-25 07:18 -0500:
>I've been having a site problem that I've tracked down to DateTime.  Simply
>enough, the code snippets below both try to add 31 days to the first day in
>October.  I'm expecting this to result in the first day of November.
>
>Good Example:
>
 from DateTime import DateTime
 start=DateTime('2005/10/01 01:00:00 GMT-5')
 print start
>2005/10/01 01:00:00 GMT-5
 earlyStart=start.earliestTime()
 print earlyStart
>2005/10/01
 print earlyStart+31
>2005/11/01
>
>Bad Example:  (Here's the problem)
>
 from DateTime import DateTime
 start=DateTime('2005/10/01 01:00:00 US/Central')
 print start
>2005/10/01 01:00:00 US/Central
 earlyStart=start.earliestTime()
 print earlyStart
>2005/10/01
 print earlyStart+31
>2005/10/31 23:00:00 US/Central
>
>I've confirmed this occurs with several of the US/ timezones (US/Pacific,
>US/Alaska, etc)

This looks like a daytime saving problem:

  With daytime saving, the clock often is put back for an hour
  at the last samday in october

The "DateTime" implementation could avoid this
*if* the arithmetic would only accept
"int" (then it would be very likely that you only want to modify
the day but not hours, minutes and seconds). But the arithmetic
accepts "float" and that necessitates some surprises with
time discontinuities (such as daytime saving switches).



>
>Can anyone help me figure out why the resulting date is coming up 1 hour
>short of the expected 2005/11/01 ?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Eric
>I've been having a site problem that I've tracked down to 
>DateTime.  Simply enough, the code snippets below both try to add 31 days 
>to the first day in October.  I'm expecting this to result in the 
>first day of November.
>
> 
>Good Example:
>
 from DateTime import DateTime>>> 
>start=DateTime('2005/10/01 01:00:00 GMT-5')>>> print 
>start2005/10/01 01:00:00 GMT-5>>> 
>earlyStart=start.earliestTime()
 print earlyStart2005/10/01>>> print 
>earlyStart+312005/11/01
>
>Bad Example:  (Here's the problem)
 from DateTime import DateTime>>> 
>start=DateTime('2005/10/01 01:00:00 US/Central')>>> print 
>start2005/10/01 01:00:00 US/Central>>> 
>earlyStart=start.earliestTime
>()>>> print earlyStart2005/10/01>>> print 
>earlyStart+312005/10/31 23:00:00 US/Central
>I've confirmed this occurs with several of the US/ timezones 
>(US/Pacific, US/Alaska, etc)
>Can anyone help me figure out why the resulting date is coming up 1 hour 
>short of the expected 2005/11/01 ?
>Thanks!
>Eric
> 
> 

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Re: [Zope] Help with DateTime.earliestTime()

2007-08-25 Thread Jonathan



- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:18 AM
Subject: [Zope] Help with DateTime.earliestTime()


I've been having a site problem that I've tracked down to DateTime. 
Simply
enough, the code snippets below both try to add 31 days to the first day 
in

October.  I'm expecting this to result in the first day of November.

Good Example:


from DateTime import DateTime
start=DateTime('2005/10/01 01:00:00 GMT-5')
print start

2005/10/01 01:00:00 GMT-5

earlyStart=start.earliestTime()
print earlyStart

2005/10/01

print earlyStart+31

2005/11/01

Bad Example:  (Here's the problem)


from DateTime import DateTime
start=DateTime('2005/10/01 01:00:00 US/Central')
print start

2005/10/01 01:00:00 US/Central

earlyStart=start.earliestTime()
print earlyStart

2005/10/01

print earlyStart+31

2005/10/31 23:00:00 US/Central

I've confirmed this occurs with several of the US/ timezones (US/Pacific,
US/Alaska, etc)

Can anyone help me figure out why the resulting date is coming up 1 hour
short of the expected 2005/11/01 ?


I don't know what your problem is, but here are some code snippets I used to 
get around a timezone problem I was having:


# def custom timezone class
class LocalTimezone(datetime.tzinfo):
   def utcoffset(self, dt):
   STDOFFSET = datetime.timedelta(seconds = -_time.timezone)
   ZERO = datetime.timedelta(0)
   if _time.daylight:
   DSTOFFSET = datetime.timedelta(seconds 
= -_time.altzone)

   else:
   DSTOFFSET = STDOFFSET
   if self._isdst(dt):
   return DSTOFFSET
   else:
   return STDOFFSET

   def dst(self, dt):
   STDOFFSET = datetime.timedelta(seconds = -_time.timezone)
   ZERO = datetime.timedelta(0)
   if _time.daylight:
   DSTOFFSET = datetime.timedelta(seconds 
= -_time.altzone)

   else:
   DSTOFFSET = STDOFFSET
   if self._isdst(dt):
   DSTDIFF = DSTOFFSET - STDOFFSET
   return DSTDIFF
   else:
   return ZERO

   def tzname(self, dt):
   return _time.tzname[self._isdst(dt)]

   def _isdst(self, dt):
   tt = (dt.year, dt.month, dt.day,
   dt.hour, dt.minute, dt.second,
   dt.weekday(), 0, -1)
   stamp = _time.mktime(tt)
   tt = _time.localtime(stamp)
   return tt.tm_isdst > 0


# usage code...
   Local = LocalTimezone()
   chkDate = datetime.datetime.now(Local)
   now = datetime.datetime.now(Local)

   # see if we have to apply a local timezone offset
   if tzo:
   # get the number of hours less than UTC (GMT)
   localTZO = int(chkDate.strftime('%z')[0:-2])

   # make sure we have the target tzo as an integer
   targetTZO = int(tzo)

   diffTZO = 0
   if targetTZO < localTZO:
   diffTZO = -(-targetTZO + localTZO)

   elif targetTZO > localTZO:
   diffTZO = (-localTZO + targetTZO)

   if diffTZO:
   # we have to adjust our dates to account for the 
time zone difference
   chkDate = chkDate + 
datetime.timedelta(hours=diffTZO)

   now = now + datetime.timedelta(hours=diffTZO)

   # create a time delta object (a date/time object that is a duration) 
for 6 months

   maxDate = datetime.timedelta(weeks=24)

   # check for events within a 6 month window
   while chkDate < now + maxDate:


This code was just ripped from an application, but may provide you with some 
ideas for a work-around.


Good luck!

Jonathan


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Re: [Zope] Help with DateTime.earliestTime()

2007-08-25 Thread Andreas Jung




--On 25. August 2007 07:18:42 -0500 Eric Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I've been having a site problem that I've tracked down to DateTime.
Simply enough, the code snippets below both try to add 31 days to the
first day in October.  I'm expecting this to result in the first day of
November.




Likely because the timezone support is known to be partly broken (since 
ages).


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Re: [Zope] help with detecting mime_type

2007-05-24 Thread Andreas Jung




--On 24. Mai 2007 11:31:17 +0100 Alan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dears,

In my external method I can get mime_type =
file.headers.headers[1].split()[1] and then my code proceed based on
which mime type was identified for the file uploaded.

What happens now is that a user uploading a tgz file from a Windows
platform and then my code did not identify it as a
application/x-gzip-compressed or similar (it gets
application/octet-stream).

As far as I understood from this case, such mime type info is passed
by user's system (where Windows usually is not aware of tar.gz, tgz
etc format) rather than being set by zope server.


AFAIK..all Zope types derived from OFS.File or OFS.Image are using
OFS.contenttypes.guess_content_types()...if the 'content-type' header
isn't available. Otherwise Zope will use it.


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Re: [Zope] help, installing ZJetDA-0.1.1..

2006-12-05 Thread Maciej Wisniowski


> Hi, I have copied the folder of the ZJetDA-0.1.1 product 
Have you seen how old ZJetDA is? I'm not surprised
it doesn't work with Zope2.10.
If you want to use this you'll possibly have to modify
it's code.

Better look for different database adapter. I think
that mxODBC might be best solution for you.

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Re: [Zope] Help! Can't Log Into ZMI!!

2006-11-27 Thread Nancy Donnelly

> When you have access to the ssh on your server i think you can set an
> 'master password' 

I couldn't even pull up the ZMI password dialog box. But I figured it out. I 
changed IP addresses and needed to update that in the zope.conf because ZEO 
listens on port . 

I wonder why I can't just use the localhost address: 127.0.0.1 ? Doesn't seem 
to work.
Nancy





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RE: [Zope] Help! Can't Log Into ZMI!!

2006-11-26 Thread Christian Steinhauer

 
here you can find some additional informations for zpasswd: 
http://www.zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_6Edition/Security.stx

search for Creating an Emergency User

- cs



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Hi;
I added a LDAPUserFolder instance to my Plone. It didn't connect for
whatever reason. I rebooted the server. Now I can't log in! It just hangs.
Actually, I rebooted a day later and did lots of work in between, so it's
not like I could carefully edit the Data.fs. What do I do?
Nancy




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RE: [Zope] Help! Can't Log Into ZMI!!

2006-11-26 Thread Christian Steinhauer

When you have access to the ssh on your server i think you can set an
'master password' 

'''

The Zope administrator account is used, amongst other things, to create
Zope users. One of the first things to do is change the password and add
domain restriction. You can change the Zope administrator ('superuser')
password from the command line with:

# /usr/bin/python /your path/zope/zpasswd.py /your path/zope/access 

'''

search for your zpasswd.py in zope folder, with it you can change or add an
'rescue' user. 

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Hi;
I added a LDAPUserFolder instance to my Plone. It didn't connect for
whatever reason. I rebooted the server. Now I can't log in! It just hangs.
Actually, I rebooted a day later and did lots of work in between, so it's
not like I could carefully edit the Data.fs. What do I do?
Nancy




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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Zope] help performance]


Martijn Pieters wrote:

On 11/24/06, Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

8.7971 was the time without subtransactions, 2.3 with.

Ops... -.-


Indeed. And if you tweak the threshold as Jonathan suggested, you
could even get it lower.


Just to clarify, 2.3 sec is the time to insert only one object :)

I'll try to tweak it as suggested by you gurus :P
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Zope] help performance]

2006-11-24 Thread Martijn Pieters


On 11/24/06, Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

8.7971 was the time without subtransactions, 2.3 with.

Ops... -.-


Indeed. And if you tweak the threshold as Jonathan suggested, you
could even get it lower.

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[Fwd: Re: [Zope] help performance]



Martijn Pieters wrote:

On 11/24/06, Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and *enable* subtransactions!

When I have a transaction wich takes almost 1 sec, I don't think it will
change anything :) I'll try CallProfiler :)


Did you try? Subtransactions are not the same as transactions. They
are an optimization, so try them! Don't just ditch the experts here.


0.0209  0.9%|
+0.0209 0.0174  0.7%+- inserimento
+0.0320 0.0042  0.2%| +- standard_html_header
+0.0337 0.0017  0.1%| | +- intestazione_html_standard
+0.0374 0.0011  0.0%| | +- mappa_barra_loggato
+0.0423 1.0951  46.8%   | +- dafne_item_add
0.5836  24.9%   | | |
+0.6260 0.0028  0.1%| | +- proprietario
+0.6301 0.0484  2.1%| | +- sonopubblico
+0.6804 0.0026  0.1%| | +- proprietario (2nd call)
0.0406  1.7%| | |
+0.7236 0.0043  0.2%| | +- globale
0.4665  19.9%   | | |
+1.1945 0.0457  2.0%| | +- sonopubblico (2nd call)
+1.2423 0.0033  0.1%| +- invalida_cache
+1.2468 0.0010  0.0%| +- standard_html_footer


Ok, I've run a machine for three years without any optimizations. 
Enabling transaction cut the time of about 73%:


http://myurl/inserimento2.3416  5.5694  8.7971  8.7971,
2.3416


8.7971 was the time without subtransactions, 2.3 with.

Ops... -.-


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Re: [Zope] help performance


Martijn Pieters wrote:

On 11/24/06, Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and *enable* subtransactions!

When I have a transaction wich takes almost 1 sec, I don't think it will
change anything :) I'll try CallProfiler :)


Did you try? Subtransactions are not the same as transactions. They
are an optimization, so try them! Don't just ditch the experts here.


ok, you got me :)

with callprofiler I have:

+0.0209 0.1213  1.4%+- inserimento
+0.0461 0.0044  0.1%| +- standard_html_header
+0.0479 0.0018  0.0%| | +- intestazione_html_standard
+0.0518 0.0012  0.0%| | +- mappa_barra_loggato
0.0931  1.1%| |
+0.1467 7.4849  85.1%   | +- dafne_item_add
1.1709  13.3%   | | |
+1.3175 0.0027  0.0%| | +- proprietario
+1.3245 0.0450  0.5%| | +- sonopubblico
0.1486  1.7%| | |
+1.5181 0.0026  0.0%| | +- proprietario (2nd call)
1.3108  14.9%   | | |
+2.8316 0.0043  0.0%| | +- globale
4.6964  53.4%   | | |
+7.5323 0.0452  0.5%| | +- sonopubblico (2nd call)
0.1539  1.7%| | |
+7.7324 0.0367  0.4%| +- invalida_cache
+7.7704 0.0010  0.0%| +- standard_html_footer


What does exactly take 4.6 sec? :-o
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Re: [Zope] help performance

2006-11-24 Thread Martijn Pieters


On 11/24/06, Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> and *enable* subtransactions!

When I have a transaction wich takes almost 1 sec, I don't think it will
change anything :) I'll try CallProfiler :)


Did you try? Subtransactions are not the same as transactions. They
are an optimization, so try them! Don't just ditch the experts here.

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Re: [Zope] help performance

2006-11-24 Thread Chris Withers


Yuri wrote:
When I have a transaction wich takes almost 1 sec, I don't think it will 
change anything :) 


You might be surprised...

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Re: [Zope] help performance


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- --On 24. November 2006 11:20:39 +0100 Andreas Jung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  
  

ZopeProfiler will tell you about bottlenecks.



 Doesn't work in zope 2.6 based on python 2.1 :(

  

Try CallProfiler instead.




and *enable* subtransactions!
  



When I have a transaction wich takes almost 1 sec, I don't think it will 
change anything :) I'll try CallProfiler :)

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Re: [Zope] help performance

2006-11-24 Thread Andreas Jung

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>>

>>>
>>> ZopeProfiler will tell you about bottlenecks.
>>>
>>
>>  Doesn't work in zope 2.6 based on python 2.1 :(
>>
>
> Try CallProfiler instead.
>

and *enable* subtransactions!

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Re: [Zope] help performance

2006-11-24 Thread Andreas Jung

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- --On 24. November 2006 11:16:50 +0100 Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>>
>>>
>>
>> ZopeProfiler will tell you about bottlenecks.
>>
>
>  Doesn't work in zope 2.6 based on python 2.1 :(
>

Try CallProfiler instead.

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Re: [Zope] help performance


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- --On 23. November 2006 17:07:39 +0100 Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

Hi!

 I've an old machine with zope 2.6 with an application based on ZClass.
Now, updating 4000 record takes ages (more than an hour...), basically it
is a propertysheet update + recatalog of every object of 4000.

 Can I have significative performance upgrade changing something in the
code base? Some ZCatalog "slow" bug in 2.6 I could patch you know of? :)




ZopeProfiler will tell you about bottlenecks.
  


Doesn't work in zope 2.6 based on python 2.1 :(

# more version.txt
1.7.2
for Zope 2.5.1 and 2.6.1, 2.7.3, 2.8, 2.9
Python 2.3.x, 2.4.x
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Re: [Zope] help performance

Jonathan wrote:

- Original Message - From: "Yuri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: [Zope] help performance

Hi!

I've an old machine with zope 2.6 with an application based on 
ZClass. Now, updating 4000 record takes ages (more than an hour...), 
basically it is a propertysheet update + recatalog of every object of 
4000.

Can I have significative performance upgrade changing something in 
the code base? Some ZCatalog "slow" bug in 2.6 I could patch you know 
of? :)

You could try different transaction subcommit threshold settings 
(Catalog - Advanced tab) to see if different settings have any 
beneficial impact.

Subtransactions are *Disabled :)
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Re: [Zope] help performance

2006-11-23 Thread Jonathan

- Original Message - 
From: "Yuri" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 11:07 AM
Subject: [Zope] help performance

Hi!

I've an old machine with zope 2.6 with an application based on ZClass. 
Now, updating 4000 record takes ages (more than an hour...), basically it 
is a propertysheet update + recatalog of every object of 4000.

Can I have significative performance upgrade changing something in the 
code base? Some ZCatalog "slow" bug in 2.6 I could patch you know of? :)

You could try different transaction subcommit threshold settings (Catalog - 
Advanced tab) to see if different settings have any beneficial impact.

Jonathan 

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Re: [Zope] help performance

2006-11-23 Thread Andreas Jung

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- --On 23. November 2006 17:07:39 +0100 Yuri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi!
>
>  I've an old machine with zope 2.6 with an application based on ZClass.
> Now, updating 4000 record takes ages (more than an hour...), basically it
> is a propertysheet update + recatalog of every object of 4000.
>
>  Can I have significative performance upgrade changing something in the
> code base? Some ZCatalog "slow" bug in 2.6 I could patch you know of? :)
>

ZopeProfiler will tell you about bottlenecks.

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Re: [Zope] Help create filesystem skin with product

2006-10-11 Thread Jens Vagelpohl


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On 11 Oct 2006, at 18:37, yary wrote:


I'm having a problem which must have been solved many times before-
trying to make a product that ships with a skin. I'm new to Zope
development, been stumbling for a couple months with it.


Take a look at CMFCalendar as included in the CMF 2.0 you're working  
with. It registers a skin folder and even adds it to the skins path  
automatically, using a GenericSetup profile. That's a good example to  
look at.


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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

2006-10-05 Thread Stefan H. Holek


The most common issue on *BSD is this:
http://tomster.org/blog/archive/2006/09/27/size-does-matter

Stefan


On 4. Okt 2006, at 20:43, Javier Subervi wrote:

The person who ran this box previously didn't understand FreeBSD's  
port system, so he built Python in a different place.


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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

2006-10-05 Thread Marco Bizzarri


Since you're running it with runzope (i.e. in foregreound mode):

1) Can you confirm Zope provided the message "Zope Ready to handle requests"

2) What is the top command showing? Is python/zope process using CPU,
or is it simple unresponsive?

3) Can you check if there are different processes when you start and
when you do your first request? With some C extensions of python, you
can end with "hanging" python processes (at least on Linux; don't know
on FreeBSD).

4) Is the zope process able to write to Z2.log, event.log and (if
used) trace.log?

Hope this can help.

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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

2006-10-04 Thread Paul Winkler

http://www.zettai.net/Support/Howto/deadlockDebuggerHowto

On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 11:43:25AM -0700, Javier Subervi wrote:
> Hi;
> I'll afford a server to experiment on before year's end, but that doesn't 
> help me today. I was trying to get Python 2.3.5 to work with LDAP on FreeBSD. 
> I built py-ldap2 from ports and directed it to install Python 2.3.5 (because 
> I'm using Zope 2.7.8 because my software won't migrate yet). It built out 
> okay. The person who ran this box previously didn't understand FreeBSD's port 
> system, so he built Python in a different place. I moved all of that for 
> safety's sake (at least, I thought I did), and then ended up moving it all 
> back because I couldn't fire up Zope (I have 2 instances). Then I was able to 
> fire up Zope *and* import LDAP (the latter indicating something from my new 
> installation stuck). When I ps wax I see Zope is working. However, when I 
> surf to sites, or even the IP address, it just hangs! I cleared out 
> log/event.log and touched it and fired up in runzope mode, but there was 
> nothing strange in the event.log! And I've been over that log many times 
> lately, so I
>  would recognize something different. I presume ZServer is hung. How do I 
> trouble-shoot this?
> TIA,
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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

2006-10-04 Thread Maciej Wisniowski



When I ps wax I see Zope is working. However, when I surf to sites, or even the IP address, it just hangs! 

Stop Zope and check whether you still have any Zope processes.
If so then kill'em and then try to run Zope again. I had similiar
problems with hanged Zope processes. Maybe that's your's
problem too.

You may use netstat to check whether your Zope is listening.

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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

2006-10-04 Thread Pascal Peregrina

Title: Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

Hi,

Could you tell us a little more about your installation?
You mention 2 zope instances... Are you using ZEO?
Do you get “Zope Ready to handle requests” in event.log when you start it up?

Pascal

De : Javier Subervi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date : Wed, 4 Oct 2006 11:43:25 -0700 (PDT)
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Hi;
I'll afford a server to experiment on before year's end, but that doesn't help me today. I was trying to get Python 2.3.5 to work with LDAP on FreeBSD. I built py-ldap2 from ports and directed it to install Python 2.3.5 (because I'm using Zope 2.7.8 because my software won't migrate yet). It built out okay. The person who ran this box previously didn't understand FreeBSD's port system, so he built Python in a different place. I moved all of that for safety's sake (at least, I thought I did), and then ended up moving it all back because I couldn't fire up Zope (I have 2 instances). Then I was able to fire up Zope *and* import LDAP (the latter indicating something from my new installation stuck). When I ps wax I see Zope is working. However, when I surf to sites, or even the IP address, it just hangs! I cleared out log/event.log and touched it and fired up in runzope mode, but there was nothing strange in the event.log! And I've been over that log many times lately, so I would recognize something different. I presume ZServer is hung. How do I trouble-shoot this?
TIA,
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Re: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! Production Server!

2006-10-04 Thread Jonathan




try running zope in foreground mode:  zopectl 
fg
 
Jonathan

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  Subject: [Zope] Help! Zope Crashed! 
  Production Server!
  Hi;I'll afford a server to experiment on before 
  year's end, but that doesn't help me today. I was trying to get Python 2.3.5 
  to work with LDAP on FreeBSD. I built py-ldap2 from ports and directed it to 
  install Python 2.3.5 (because I'm using Zope 2.7.8 because my software won't 
  migrate yet). It built out okay. The person who ran this box previously didn't 
  understand FreeBSD's port system, so he built Python in a different place. I 
  moved all of that for safety's sake (at least, I thought I did), and then 
  ended up moving it all back because I couldn't fire up Zope (I have 2 
  instances). Then I was able to fire up Zope *and* import LDAP (the latter 
  indicating something from my new installation stuck). When I ps wax I see Zope 
  is working. However, when I surf to sites, or even the IP address, it just 
  hangs! I cleared out log/event.log and touched it and fired up in runzope 
  mode, but there was nothing strange in the event.log! And I've been over that 
  log many times lately, so I would recognize something different. I presume 
  ZServer is hung. How do I trouble-shoot this?TIA,Javier2
  
  
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Re: [Zope] Help! I Screwed Up a Source File

2006-09-05 Thread Martijn Pieters


On 9/5/06, beno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I inherited this box so I don't know exactly how this file got built;
however, it's python 2.3.5 and zope 2.7.8. I apparently screwed up this
file:
278/lib/python/Zope/Startup/zeoctl
Where can I grab a copy of the correct file?


Download 2.7.8 from Zope.org and extract that one file?

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Re: [Zope] Help on installing ZFSPath / LocalFS

2006-07-05 Thread dieter

insinjoori wrote at 2006-7-5 08:00 -0700:
>So, I've unpacked the files to Products dir. I'm supposed to create a
>ZFSPath object somewhere. How do I excactly do that?

Maybe, you start reading the Zope Book (2.7 edition, online)
and learn how objects are created in general.



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Re: [Zope] Help on installing ZFSPath / LocalFS

2006-07-05 Thread insinjoori


Please, someone
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Re: [Zope] Help needed to simplify some code

2006-03-09 Thread Chris Withers


Paul Winkler wrote:


  

  ^^^
Leave out the "python:" there.  


Whoops, yep, sorry about that...

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Re: [Zope] Help needed to simplify some code

2006-03-08 Thread Paul Winkler

On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 09:35:55AM +, Chris Withers wrote:
> John Poltorak wrote:
> >
> >Several months ago someone provided me with me with some sample code which 
> >did exactly what I wanted, but looking at it again it looks a little 
> >unwieldy and could do with tidying up. It consists of:-
(snip)

What Chris said, except:

> ...then you can do:
> 
> 
>   
> http://www.slinkp.com
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Re: [Zope] Help needed to simplify some code

2006-03-08 Thread Chris Withers


John Poltorak wrote:


Several months ago someone provided me with me with some sample code which 
did exactly what I wanted, but looking at it again it looks a little 
unwieldy and could do with tidying up. It consists of:-




   
  
   



Okay, if you can get parse_file to return a list of dictionaries like:
[
  {
   'folder':'whatever',
   'label':'whatever',
  }
]
...then you can do:



  

  


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Re: [Zope] help

2006-02-21 Thread Chris Withers


Andreas Pakulat wrote:

This should show at least zope-2.7. If that shows up you can find the
documentation and how to setup an instance in /usr/share/doc/zope-2.7.


Although, in all seriousness, I'd recommend installing from source.
And I'd recommend the original poster read Eric Raymond's "how to ask 
questions" post, 'help' is not a useful subject line...


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Re: [Zope] help

2006-02-20 Thread Andreas Pakulat

On 15.12.05 20:14:51, adeline nombre wrote:
>   I wanted to install zope on my debian system but I noticed there is a 
> /usr/lib/zope directory. so I concluded zope has already been installed with 
> my debian system. so what to do now? I'm just beginning.

You can find out about packages that are installed with dpkg -l zope*

This should show at least zope-2.7. If that shows up you can find the
documentation and how to setup an instance in /usr/share/doc/zope-2.7.

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Re: [Zope] Help with a simple DMS

2006-02-07 Thread J Cameron Cooper


Joshua Gilbert wrote:

On 2/7/06, J Cameron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Joshua Gilbert wrote:


Hi.

I'd like to make a simple DMS, users upload their
PDFs/docs/ps/whatever and then they can search within the documents.


I believe TextIndexNG will index contents of complex file types.


OK, that's great. Where do I find documentation to tell me how to set
up the site?


According to http://opensource.zopyx.biz/OpenSource/TextIndexNG3

"Ready-for-Plone (refer to installation notes in doc/README.txt)"


I need to be able to automate the submission of documents as I'm part
of a large research lab, we've accumulated a lot of papers over the
years.


What exactly does "automate the submission of documents" mean?


I mean that I have a great deal of papers. I can't go through web
forms to add all of these documents. I would like to be able to submit
them through an automated process, I can't go through web forms by
hand to add them all.

I'm trying to convince my lab that this is a useful product. If I ask
them to submit their papers one at a time I'll lose the argument and
we won't use Zope.


Use WebDAV, FTP, or Enfold Desktop. There are other methods, but these 
are easiest.


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Re: [Zope] Help with a simple DMS

2006-02-07 Thread Joshua Gilbert

On 2/7/06, J Cameron Cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Joshua Gilbert wrote:
> > Hi.
> >
> > I'd like to make a simple DMS, users upload their
> > PDFs/docs/ps/whatever and then they can search within the documents.
>
> I believe TextIndexNG will index contents of complex file types.

OK, that's great. Where do I find documentation to tell me how to set
up the site?

>
> > I need to be able to automate the submission of documents as I'm part
> > of a large research lab, we've accumulated a lot of papers over the
> > years.
>
> What exactly does "automate the submission of documents" mean?

I mean that I have a great deal of papers. I can't go through web
forms to add all of these documents. I would like to be able to submit
them through an automated process, I can't go through web forms by
hand to add them all.

I'm trying to convince my lab that this is a useful product. If I ask
them to submit their papers one at a time I'll lose the argument and
we won't use Zope.

>
> > Other than that I'd like a nice, simple authentication scheme. That's
> > about it. Dead simple.
>
> Then stick with how it's already set up. Plone provides a nice UI for
> user management.
>

Fair enough.

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Re: [Zope] Help with a simple DMS

2006-02-07 Thread J Cameron Cooper


Joshua Gilbert wrote:

Hi.

I'd like to make a simple DMS, users upload their
PDFs/docs/ps/whatever and then they can search within the documents.


I believe TextIndexNG will index contents of complex file types.


I need to be able to automate the submission of documents as I'm part
of a large research lab, we've accumulated a lot of papers over the
years.


What exactly does "automate the submission of documents" mean?


Other than that I'd like a nice, simple authentication scheme. That's
about it. Dead simple.


Then stick with how it's already set up. Plone provides a nice UI for 
user management.


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Re: [Zope] Help me!

2006-01-13 Thread Dieter Maurer

Bruno Grampa wrote at 2006-1-9 23:39 +0100:
>i'm building a site to sell images (this is the concept, the reality is
>different...).
>All the images are in a directory mapped through LocalFS product.
>For every image i have a record in a SQL table with all the basic
>informations: author, name of the file, cost.
>
>What i haven't understood is how to block users from getting images if
>they have not enough credit to buy them.

You drastically restrict access to the "LocalFS" content (e.g. by
granting the "Access contents information" and "View" permissions
only for "Manager") and provide access to it via a Python Script
with proxy role "Manager".
This script can check any conditions you would like to be fulfilled
before it grants access.


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Re: [Zope] Help me!

2006-01-09 Thread Andreas Jung




--On 9. Januar 2006 16:04:28 -0800 David H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Maybe you can better explain your question.


...especially with such a sense-free subject as "Help me".

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Re: [Zope] Help me!

2006-01-09 Thread David H


Bruno Grampa wrote:


Hello,
i'm building a site to sell images (this is the concept, the reality is
different...).
All the images are in a directory mapped through LocalFS product.
For every image i have a record in a SQL table with all the basic
informations: author, name of the file, cost.

What i haven't understood is how to block users from getting images if
they have not enough credit to buy them.
I need to control the view method, but i don't know if this idea is the
right one or there are better solutions.

Any hints?

Thanks,
   Bruno





Bruno,

Maybe you can better explain your question. Im not at all sure the 
following will help:


Seems like you can check a users credit at login, store the credit score 
in SESSION and use that for branching logic.  You could also update the 
creditScore as it changes.


Then you can develope your pages with stuff like this:  (syntax not checked)

in TAL

This link only shows up if session's 
'hasCredit' is true.


In DTML




In Python: (and TAL macros)

  if context.REQUEST.SESSION['hasCredit']:
return container.Images.macros['allImages']  
  else
return container.Images.macros['someImages']  


David





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Re: [Zope] Help with Zope Python result object please!

2006-01-02 Thread Gabriel Genellina


At Friday 30/12/2005 14:32, Alric Aneron wrote:

I have a python code that recieves two result objects from two different 
ZSQL methods.  I need to join them (sort of like UNION).
I can't do result1+result2, otherwise it raises an exception that the + 
operator isn't supported.


This is *untested* but looking at the Results constructor, it does not use 
its data argument in any way (just stores it in the instance).
If you are *sure* both results have the same columns in the same position 
and all are the same type and size and..., you could do:

R1._data = R1._data + R2._data
(in a product or external method)

Or, create a new instance: Results((R1.__items__, R1._data + R2._data))


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Re: [Zope] Help with Zope Python result object please!

2005-12-30 Thread Alric Aneron

Thank you sir! Sorry, I am very new to python.  It's quite unlike other languages.  Happy new year! AlDavid H <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Alric Aneron wrote: hello, I have a python code that recieves two result objects from two different ZSQL methods.  I need to join them (sort of like UNION). I can't do result1+result2, otherwise it raises an exception that the + operator isn't supported. When I try to do this (read below, I explained what i've done if you are lazy to read the code) result1 = context.zsqlmethod1() result2 = context.zsqlmethod2() if (len(result1) == 0):     return resu
 lt2
 row1 = 0 row2 = len(result1) + 1 col = 0 for r in result2:    col = 0    if (context.duplicateExists(result1, result2[row1][0]) == -1):    result1[row2][col] = result2[row][col]    col = col + 1    row1 = row1 + 1    row2 = row2 + 1return result1Basically, it loops through the rows and columns of result2 and adds them to the end of th e result 1.  However it for some reason raises "index out of range" and says that assigning result1[0][0]=result2[0][0] (if there is an element in both of them) is illegal because:   Error Value: object does not support item or slice assignment   I realize that in most programming languages you can't add them to result1 without resizing it first, but I can't find much documentaiton on member functions of the result object, so I can't resize it. 
   I
 am completely stuck, I've tried everything, spent so much time on it, can anyone please help save my sanity :PThanks in advance guys! I really appreciate it.Y Alric, The merging of two zsql result sets is easy - here's one way: newResults = []  for r in resultset1:   newResults.append( r )  for r in resultset2:   newResults.append( r )  return newResults.  David  
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Re: [Zope] Help with Zope Python result object please!

2005-12-30 Thread David H





Alric Aneron wrote:
hello,
I have a python code that recieves two result objects from two
different ZSQL methods.  I need to join them (sort of like UNION).
I can't do result1+result2, otherwise it raises an exception that the +
operator isn't supported.
When I try to do this (read below, I explained what i've done if you
are lazy to read the code)
result1 = context.zsqlmethod1()
result2 = context.zsqlmethod2()
if (len(result1) == 0):
    return result2
row1 = 0
row2 = len(result1) + 1
col = 0
for r in result2:
   col = 0
   if (context.duplicateExists(result1, result2[row1][0]) == -1):
   result1[row2][col] = result2[row][col]
   col = col + 1
   row1 = row1 + 1
   row2 = row2 + 1
  
return result1
  
Basically, it loops through the rows and columns of result2 and adds
them to the end of th e result 1.  However it for some reason raises
"index out of range" and says that assigning
result1[0][0]=result2[0][0] (if there is an element in both of them) is
illegal because:
  Error Value: object does not support item or slice assignment
  I realize that in most programming languages you can't add
them to result1 without resizing it first, but I can't find much
documentaiton on member functions of the result object, so I can't
resize it.  
I am completely stuck, I've tried everything, spent so much time on it,
can anyone please help save my sanity :P
  
Thanks in advance guys! I really appreciate it.
   
   Y
Alric,
The merging of two zsql result sets is easy - here's one way:
newResults = []

for r in resultset1:
  newResults.append( r )

for r in resultset2:
  newResults.append( r )

return newResults.

David







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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-15 Thread Chris Withers


Faheem Mitha wrote:


Turns out the problem was indeed with the Proxy, I had to change to
Allow from all inside the proxy.conf, to enable reverse proxying.

  Order deny,allow
#Deny from all
#Allow from .your_domain.com
Allow from all


I'm not sure an open proxy is that hot an idea, but this has nothing to 
do with Zope. I suggest you go and ask on #apache on irc.freenode.net



1) I can still access my plone site unauthenticated via
http://machine_address:9673/test_plone.


Again, nothing to do with Zope. iptables is the way to go, and I bet £5 
you lock yourself out of your machine within 2 hrs of playing with this ;-)


Go to #debian on irc.freenode.net and wear flameproof clothing ;-)

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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-12 Thread Faheem Mitha




On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Faheem Mitha wrote:

6) I was wondering if there might be something wrong with the Proxy thing. 
I've kept proxy.conf at the Debian defaults. Included below.


In particular ProxyRequest are off, but another Debian machine I have access 
to works fine with that setting.


Turns out the problem was indeed with the Proxy, I had to change to
Allow from all inside the proxy.conf, to enable reverse proxying.

  Order deny,allow
#Deny from all
#Allow from .your_domain.com
Allow from all


I've now got a further question, in case anyone feels like indulging me.

1) I can still access my plone site unauthenticated via
http://machine_address:9673/test_plone.

What is the best way to switch that off so it can only be accessed via the 
https interface?


Thanks. Faheem.
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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-12 Thread Faheem Mitha




On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Tino Wildenhain wrote:


Am Samstag, den 12.11.2005, 03:26 -0500 schrieb Faheem Mitha:



Which pages beside the introductional page and the
docs?


The pages in the Document Root work fine. That is, the pages at
http://yourserver, which correspond to /var/www/html and
https://yourserver, which correspond to /var/www/html-ssl.

I have a config file called default, which is exactly like the ssl
config file, except for being for port 80, and not having the Zope
stuff in it. I can mail that if you want.

And are you sure you want to access

your Plone via

http://yourserver/plone/
instead of

http://yourserver/ ?


Yes. Well, https://yourserver/plone.

Thanks for your help.
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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-12 Thread Tino Wildenhain

Am Samstag, den 12.11.2005, 03:26 -0500 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> 
> On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Tino Wildenhain wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> >> 5) Here are the mods I have enabled.
> > ...
> >>Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/"
> >>  
> >>Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
> >>AllowOverride None
> >>Order deny,allow
> >>Deny from all
> >  ^ <--- and here
> >>Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128
> >  ^ <--- and here
> >
> >>
> >
> > is the Problem. The example config needs
> > to be changed to allow serving - this is
> > true for static content as well as using
> > mod_proxy.
> 
> I'm sorry. I don't follow what you mean. Can you be more explicit?
> 
> The web server is working fine for regular web pages, both SSL and 
> non-SSL.

Which pages beside the introductional page and the
docs? And are you sure you want to access
your Plone via 

http://yourserver/plone/ 

instead of

http://yourserver/ ?

Regards
Tino 

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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-12 Thread Faheem Mitha




On Sat, 12 Nov 2005, Tino Wildenhain wrote:

[snip]

5) Here are the mods I have enabled.

...

Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/"
 
Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
AllowOverride None
Order deny,allow
Deny from all

 ^ <--- and here

Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128

 ^ <--- and here





is the Problem. The example config needs
to be changed to allow serving - this is
true for static content as well as using
mod_proxy.


I'm sorry. I don't follow what you mean. Can you be more explicit?

The web server is working fine for regular web pages, both SSL and 
non-SSL.


Thanks.Faheem.
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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-12 Thread Tino Wildenhain

Am Freitag, den 11.11.2005, 23:45 -0500 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> 
> On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Faheem Mitha wrote:
> 
> >
...
> The main error is
> 
> [Fri Nov 11 18:51:56 2005] [error] [client client_ip_address] 
> client denied by server configuration:
  ^^
This means Apache, not Zope

> proxy:http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone/colophon_anybrowser.png,
> referer: 
> http://server_ip_address:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone
> 
> 5) Here are the mods I have enabled.
...
>   Alias /doc/ "/usr/share/doc/"
>  
>   Options Indexes MultiViews FollowSymLinks
>   AllowOverride None
>   Order deny,allow
>   Deny from all
  ^ <--- and here
>   Allow from 127.0.0.0/255.0.0.0 ::1/128
  ^ <--- and here

>   

is the Problem. The example config needs
to be changed to allow serving - this is
true for static content as well as using
mod_proxy.

HTH
Tino

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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-11 Thread Faheem Mitha




On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Faheem Mitha wrote:




On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Chris Withers wrote:


Faheem Mitha wrote:

Why not just:

/plone(.*)


This is the way to go, I don't know what Sascha meant when he was talking 
about "2 rules".


However, he did have a very good point about SSL. If you want Apache to do 
the SSL encryption and decryption, then you need to set up mod_ssl, sort 
out the certificates, etc. I have this working on a few of my servers but 
I'm working offline so can't really have a look to see what you're doing 
wrong...


Yes, at least part of the problem is that I did not have SSL set up 
correctly, and I certainly didn't have certificates etc. I've done that now, 
so I'll try the Plone thing again.


Ok. I've now configured SSL correctly on my test machine, but am still 
getting errors. I suspect this is an apache misconfiguration, which is 
puzzling, since I have acess to a machine doing very similar things, also 
running Debian sarge, which is working.


I'll list misc bits of info below, in the hope that this will help to 
narrow the problem. I'll also list the ssl config portion of my apache 
file at the bottom of this message for good measure.


1) Firstly, SSL is now working, certificates are offered and accepted, 
yada yada.


2) I can acess the page at

http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/%{HTTP_HOST}:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_\plone$1 
[L,P]


fine, where I have to replace 127.0.0.1 with the IP address of the machine 
in question. This means the Virtual Host Monster is working correctly, 
right?


3) The rewriting is actually happening, because the rewriting log shows

**
client_ip_address - - [11/Nov/2005:18:51:56 --0500] 
[server_ip_address/sid#81565f0][rid#81ce540/initial] (2) 
init rewrite engine with requested uri /test_plone/colophon_xhtml.png
client_ip_address - - [11/Nov/2005:18:51:56 --0500] 
[server_ip_address/sid#81565f0][rid#81ce540/initial] (3) 
applying pattern '^/test_plone(.*)' to uri 
'/test_plone/colophon_xhtml.png'
client_ip_address - - [11/Nov/2005:18:51:56 --0500] 
[server_ip_address/sid#81565f0][rid#81ce540/initial] (2) 
rewrite /test_plone/colophon_xhtml.png -> 
http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone/colophon_xhtml.png
client_ip_address - - [11/Nov/2005:18:51:56 --0500] 
[server_ip_address/sid#81565f0][rid#81ce540/initial] (2) 
forcing proxy-throughput with 
http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone/colophon_xhtml.png
client_ip_address - - [11/Nov/2005:18:51:56 --0500] 
[server_ip_address/sid#81565f0][rid#81ce540/initial] (1) 
go-ahead with proxy request 
proxy:http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone/colophon_xhtml.png 
[OK]

***

This all looks pretty normal.

4) The error log is fairly unhelpful. Setting LogLevel to debug does
not seem to give any helpful information.

The main error is

[Fri Nov 11 18:51:56 2005] [error] [client client_ip_address] client denied by 
server configuration:
proxy:http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone/colophon_anybrowser.png,
referer: 
http://server_ip_address:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/server_ip_address:443/test_plone/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_test_plone

5) Here are the mods I have enabled.

/etc/apache2/mods-enabled# ls -la

drwxr-xr-x   3 root root 4096 2005-11-11 17:21 .
drwxr-xr-x  10 root root 4096 2005-11-11 15:45 ..
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   37 2005-11-10 16:52 cgid.conf -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.conf
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   37 2005-11-10 16:52 cgid.load -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/cgid.load
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   28 2005-11-11 17:21 proxy.conf -> 
../mods-available/proxy.conf
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   28 2005-11-11 17:21 proxy.load -> 
../mods-available/proxy.load
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   30 2005-11-11 17:19 rewrite.load -> 
../mods-available/rewrite.load
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   26 2005-11-10 21:21 ssl.conf -> 
../mods-available/ssl.conf
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   26 2005-11-10 21:21 ssl.load -> 
../mods-available/ssl.load
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   40 2005-11-10 16:52 userdir.conf -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root   40 2005-11-10 16:52 userdir.load -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.load

These are included via the main config file.

6) I was wondering if there might be something wrong with the Proxy thing. 
I've kept proxy.conf at the Debian defaults. Included below.


In particular ProxyRequest are off, but another Debian machine I have 
access to works fine with that setting.


Thanks in advance for your help.

   Faheem.
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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-11 Thread Faheem Mitha




On Fri, 11 Nov 2005, Chris Withers wrote:


Faheem Mitha wrote:

Why not just:

/plone(.*)


This is the way to go, I don't know what Sascha meant when he was talking 
about "2 rules".


However, he did have a very good point about SSL. If you want Apache to 
do the SSL encryption and decryption, then you need to set up mod_ssl, 
sort out the certificates, etc. I have this working on a few of my 
servers but I'm working offline so can't really have a look to see what 
you're doing wrong...


Yes, at least part of the problem is that I did not have SSL set up 
correctly, and I certainly didn't have certificates etc. I've done that 
now, so I'll try the Plone thing again.


Sorry for my ignorance.Faheem.
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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-11 Thread Chris Withers


Faheem Mitha wrote:

Why not just:

/plone(.*)


This is the way to go, I don't know what Sascha meant when he was 
talking about "2 rules".


However, he did have a very good point about SSL. If you want Apache to 
do the SSL encryption and decryption, then you need to set up mod_ssl, 
sort out the certificates, etc. I have this working on a few of my 
servers but I'm working offline so can't really have a look to see what 
you're doing wrong...


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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-10 Thread Faheem Mitha




On Wed, 9 Nov 2005, Chris Withers wrote:


Faheem Mitha wrote:


the log says

[Wed Nov 09 03:30:26 2005] [error] [client ...] client denied by server 
configuration: 


This means you likely need to find something else in your apache.conf that's 
causing this problem...



  RewriteRule ^/plone(/.*)?$ 


That's odd..

Why not just:

/plone(.*)

?

This might actually be your problem, since that question mark means that $1 
might not exist for:


http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/%{HTTP_HOST}:443/dulci/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone$1 
[L,P]


I tried

RewriteRule ^/plone(.*) 
http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/%{HTTP_HOST}:443/dulci/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone$1
 [L,P]

This does not make any difference. Does this line, and the rest of the 
config stuff otherwise look Ok?


Any idea what I might be looking for in the configuration? I'm mostly 
using the Debian defaults.


Do I correctly understand that this rule will encrypt traffic sent to the 
Zope instance, and coming out? That is the intention.


Thanks in advance.
 Faheem.
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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-10 Thread Sascha Welter

(Wed, Nov 09, 2005 at 10:41:32AM -0500) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote/schrieb/egrapse:
> From: Faheem Mitha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> ...
> I running Apache 2.0 and Zope 2.7 on Debian Sarge. I've configured a zope 
> (Plone) instance located /var/lib/zope2.7/instance/dulci.
> 
> This can be accessed via 
> http://machine_address:9673/dulci. 9673 is the 
 ^^
 http

> point on which Zope runs on Debian.
> 
> I'm trying to configure Apache so that all requests of the form
> 
> http://machine_address/plone are sent to
> 
> https://machine_address:9673/dulci
 ^^
 https

http != https
Zope is unlikely to understand the rewritten URL with that https I would
say. I don't understand why you try to access Zope with SSL/https, plain
Zope does not understand that protocol.

If you try to use apache to do SSL for Zope, you will need it the other
way around. 

And to force connections to go through SSL, you will need a rewriterule
to redirect (either for all URLs or for /manage URLs) or some fancier
Plone setup (which I never figured out).

> and that the urls returned by Plone are consistent.
> 
> I added the following lines to my Apache config, representing my best 
> guess as to how this should work. 

I don't know about the problems that Chris found with your RewriteRule,
but I stopped worrying, since I can always go to the witch and get a
usefull RewriteRule for most setups (if I might say so myself :-)
http://betabug.ch/zope/witch

> The rewriting seems to work, since when 
> I go to
> 
> http://machine_address/plone
> 
> the log says
> 
> [Wed Nov 09 03:30:26 2005] [error] [client ...] client denied by 
> server configuration: 
> proxy:http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/machine_address:443/dulci/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone
> 
> However, something must be broken.

> ...

>RewriteRule ^/plone(/.*)?$ 
> http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/%{HTTP_HOST}:443/dulci/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone$1
>  [L,P]

As for the question mark, I guess you are trying to get in one rule what
most people (and the witch) do in two rules: Cover the case where
"/plone" ends the URL, as well the case where something comes behind
"/plone". Regular expressions are tricky with that stuff, so it's better
to use 2 rules and be covered.

Googling for [zope apache rewriterule], the ZopeWiki page
(http://zopewiki.org/ZopeAndApache) comes on the first result page,
while the witch is currently on the second page. The help page from the
VHM is also very informative.

Regards,

Sascha

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Re: [Zope] help with url rewriting

2005-11-09 Thread Chris Withers


Faheem Mitha wrote:


the log says

[Wed Nov 09 03:30:26 2005] [error] [client ...] client denied by server 
configuration: 


This means you likely need to find something else in your apache.conf 
that's causing this problem...



  RewriteRule ^/plone(/.*)?$ 


That's odd..

Why not just:

/plone(.*)

?

This might actually be your problem, since that question mark means that 
$1 might not exist for:


http://127.0.0.1:9673/VirtualHostBase/https/%{HTTP_HOST}:443/dulci/VirtualHostRoot/_vh_plone$1 
[L,P]


cheers,

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Re: [Zope] help - my zope build exits with compile errors :-(

2005-10-27 Thread Chris McDonough


Use gnutar to unpack the Zope source tarball.

On Oct 27, 2005, at 4:50 PM, David H wrote:


Thomas Wolf wrote:



Hi,

 I'm trying to build Zope-2.7.4-0 from source (I can't use a  
different version because of the releas of Plone we're

using.)  I ran
./configure --with-python=/usr/local/zope/python/bin/python -- 
prefix=/usr/local/zope"
and that reported no issues.  BTW, I'm using python 2.3.5 - that's  
why I had to use the --use-python argument.


Then I ran make.  No reported problems for quite a bit into the  
build - then I get:


gcc -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes  
-fPIC -I/usr/local/zope/python/include/python2.3 -c Products/ 
PluginIndexes/TextIndex/Splitter/ISO_8859_1_Splitter/src/ 
ISO_8859_1_Splitter.c -o /usr/local/zope/Zope-2.7.4-0/build-base/ 
python-2.3/build-temp/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIndex/Splitter/ 
ISO_8859_1_Splitter/src/ISO_8859_1_Splitter.o
gcc: Products/PluginIndexes/TextIndex/Splitter/ISO_8859_1_Splitter/ 
src/ISO_8859_1_Splitter.c: No such file or directory

gcc: no input files

Sure enough, there's no ISO_8859_1_Splitter.c file - but I haven't  
got a clue why not.  IS this generated by an earlier
part of the build and just didn't?  Or was there something missing  
from the tar ball (I got it off www.zope.org!)


Any help/suggestion would be much appreciated,
Tom

P.S. I'm trying to build this under Solaris 9 using gcc 3.3.2.



Thomas,

I seem to recall something like this.  I think the path + file name  
for sISO_8859_1_Splitter.o is *too long* for the extractor.


David

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Re: [Zope] help - my zope build exits with compile errors :-(

2005-10-27 Thread David H


Thomas Wolf wrote:


Hi,

 I'm trying to build Zope-2.7.4-0 from source (I can't use a different 
version because of the releas of Plone we're

using.)  I ran
./configure --with-python=/usr/local/zope/python/bin/python 
--prefix=/usr/local/zope"
and that reported no issues.  BTW, I'm using python 2.3.5 - that's why 
I had to use the --use-python argument.


Then I ran make.  No reported problems for quite a bit into the build 
- then I get:


gcc -fno-strict-aliasing -DNDEBUG -g -O3 -Wall -Wstrict-prototypes 
-fPIC -I/usr/local/zope/python/include/python2.3 -c 
Products/PluginIndexes/TextIndex/Splitter/ISO_8859_1_Splitter/src/ISO_8859_1_Splitter.c 
-o 
/usr/local/zope/Zope-2.7.4-0/build-base/python-2.3/build-temp/Products/PluginIndexes/TextIndex/Splitter/ISO_8859_1_Splitter/src/ISO_8859_1_Splitter.o 

gcc: 
Products/PluginIndexes/TextIndex/Splitter/ISO_8859_1_Splitter/src/ISO_8859_1_Splitter.c: 
No such file or directory

gcc: no input files

Sure enough, there's no ISO_8859_1_Splitter.c file - but I haven't got 
a clue why not.  IS this generated by an earlier
part of the build and just didn't?  Or was there something missing 
from the tar ball (I got it off www.zope.org!)


Any help/suggestion would be much appreciated,
Tom

P.S. I'm trying to build this under Solaris 9 using gcc 3.3.2.


Thomas,

I seem to recall something like this.  I think the path + file name for 
sISO_8859_1_Splitter.o is *too long* for the extractor.


David

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Re: [Zope] help - my zope build exits with compile errors :-(

2005-10-27 Thread Thomas Wolf

Thanks a bunch Jens!  It was the buggy tar that got me :-(  Now that I think 
about it, I did see a blurb
about avoiding solaris' tar - just thought that I'd give it a try and since I 
didn't see any error messages,

I figured it succeeded...that was stupid.

Anyway, it builds now.  Many thanks again.
tom


Jens Vagelpohl wrote:


On 27 Oct 2005, at 21:26, Thomas Wolf wrote:


P.S. I'm trying to build this under Solaris 9 using gcc 3.3.2.



Solaris, there's your problem.

First of all, use GNU tar for unpacking the tarball. The standard  
Solaris tar is buggy.


Second of all, don't expect any good performance on Solaris. There's  
nothing you can do to alleviate that problem, apart from using a more  
suitable OS, such as Linux.


jens

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Re: [Zope] help - my zope build exits with compile errors :-(

2005-10-27 Thread Jens Vagelpohl



On 27 Oct 2005, at 21:26, Thomas Wolf wrote:

P.S. I'm trying to build this under Solaris 9 using gcc 3.3.2.


Solaris, there's your problem.

First of all, use GNU tar for unpacking the tarball. The standard  
Solaris tar is buggy.


Second of all, don't expect any good performance on Solaris. There's  
nothing you can do to alleviate that problem, apart from using a more  
suitable OS, such as Linux.


jens

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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0

2005-10-13 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos


Chris Withers wrote:


And to send the attachment I get another error:
Error Type: Unauthorized
 Error Value: You are not allowed to access 'add_file' in 
this context


The user executing the python script that calls add_file needs to have 
the 'Use mailhost services' permission, did they?
Shane Hathaway's VerboseSecurity product may help you figure out 
what's going on...


Why should I use this product? I'm a Manager user and I have permission 
in the current folder where the object's is to Use MailHost Services , 
Add Documents, Images, and Files 
 
and Change Images and Files 


I change the python script code to :
 
from email.MIMEBase import MIMEBase

msg=container.my_mt.as_message(
 mfrom='[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
 mto='[EMAIL PROTECTED]',
 message='This is a test!',
 subject='Attempt 100 !')
msg.send()

*have removed the ->msg.add_file(container['myfile.bin']) and Zope 
prompts for user name and password. Whatever I write (correct login or 
not) it keeps prompting the same.

If  I choose cancel your product show me the current message:

Error Type: Unauthorized
Error Value: You are not allowed to access 'send' in this 
context


No error is reported in the error log...


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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0

2005-10-13 Thread Chris Withers

Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:
I make it work , the fist time I try to use it I had copied my Mailhost 
object from another folder and it wasn't working. I delete it and create 
another one with a different name. When I go to the MailTemplate object 
to chooses my new MailHost it was already selected but still not 
working. 

Yes, this is annoying and slightly confusing, I've made a note on the 
revelent issue:

https://secure.simplistix.co.uk/support/issue181

Trying to execute the attachment example , you forgot to put ' ' on the 
second mail address  line: mto=('[EMAIL PROTECTED]',[EMAIL PROTECTED]),

Oops, thanks for finding that, I've fixed that for the next release.

And to send the attachment I get another error:
Error Type: Unauthorized
 Error Value: You are not allowed to access 'add_file' in this 
context

The user executing the python script that calls add_file needs to have 
the 'Use mailhost services' permission, did they?
Shane Hathaway's VerboseSecurity product may help you figure out what's 
going on...

- __traceback_info__: {'path': ['message'], 
'TraversalRequestNameStack': []}

KeyError: 'message'

Yes, well, see my other reply about this...

PS: The test mail I received on the first simple example,  the part  href=""tal:define="url root/absolute_url" tal:attributes="href url" 
tal:content="url"/> doesn't render right , it actually show in the body 
of my message mail  like -->  your interest in: href="http://localhost:8080"; 
>http://localhost:8080 

Oops, another example corrected, the source should read:

http://xml.zope.org/namespaces/tal";
  xmlns:metal="http://xml.zope.org/namespaces/metal";
>Dear ,

 would like to thank you for your interest in:

cheers,

The Web Team

cheers,

Chris - who does appreciate all the testing you're doing :-)

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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0

2005-10-12 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos


Chris Withers wrote:


Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:

Whatever you have selected is resolving to a string instead of a 
MailHost object :-S



I have selected a Zope mailhost object



Please explain exactly what you did, including how you create the 
MailHost, the Mail Template and the Python Script, in detail...


I just tried to reproduce this on a fresh Zope 2.8.1 instance and 
couldn't...


Using the first example, the mail rendered and sent just fine.

I'm still far from convinced the thing you think is a MailHost object 
is actually a MailHost object, did you perhaps delete or rename your 
MailHost object?


Chris

I make it work , the fist time I try to use it I had copied my Mailhost 
object from another folder and it wasn't working. I delete it and create 
another one with a different name. When I go to the MailTemplate object 
to chooses my new MailHost it was already selected but still not 
working. The problem was solved when I push the save button any way and 
it works ...


Trying to execute the attachment example , you forgot to put ' ' on the 
second mail address  line: mto=('[EMAIL PROTECTED]',[EMAIL PROTECTED]),

And to send the attachment I get another error:
Error Type: Unauthorized
 Error Value: You are not allowed to access 'add_file' in this 
context


and the traceback:

Traceback (innermost last):
   Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 113, in publish
   Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
   Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object
 Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 311, in __call__
 Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 348, in _bindAndExec
 Module Products.PageTemplates.ZopePageTemplate, line 256, in _exec
 Module Products.PageTemplates.PageTemplate, line 102, in pt_render
- 
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 206, in __call__
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 250, in interpret
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 426, in do_optTag_tal
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 411, in do_optTag
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 406, in no_tag
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 250, in interpret
   Module TAL.TALInterpreter, line 501, in do_insertText_tal
   Module Products.PageTemplates.TALES, line 227, in evaluateText
 Module Products.PageTemplates.TALES, line 221, in evaluate
- URL: /AtestFordelete/tt
  - Line 12, Column 6
  - Expression: standard:'options/message'
  - Names:
   {'container': ,
'context': ,
  'default': ,
'here': ,
  'loop': ,
  'modules': ,
  'nothing': None,
'options': {'args': ()},
  'repeat': ,
'request': http://localhost:8080/AtestFordelete/tt>,
  'root': ,
'template': ,
  'traverse_subpath': [],
  'user': admin}
 Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 183, in __call__
 Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 171, in _eval
 Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 127, in _eval
  - __traceback_info__: options
   Module Products.PageTemplates.Expressions, line 306, in restrictedTraverse
- __traceback_info__: {'path': ['message'], 'TraversalRequestNameStack': []}
KeyError: 'message'

I had change all my security options in the folder that I'm using the example 
objects (checked all the boxes on the Manager colum).
Am I doing something wrong?

PS: The test mail I received on the first simple example,  the part  href=""tal:define="url root/absolute_url" tal:attributes="href url" 
tal:content="url"/> doesn't render right , it actually show in the body 
of my message mail  like -->  your interest in: href="http://localhost:8080"; 
>http://localhost:8080 


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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0


Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:
Whatever you have selected is resolving to a string instead of a 
MailHost object :-S


I have selected a Zope mailhost object


Please explain exactly what you did, including how you create the 
MailHost, the Mail Template and the Python Script, in detail...


I just tried to reproduce this on a fresh Zope 2.8.1 instance and 
couldn't...


Using the first example, the mail rendered and sent just fine.

I'm still far from convinced the thing you think is a MailHost object is 
actually a MailHost object, did you perhaps delete or rename your 
MailHost object?


Chris

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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0

2005-10-11 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos


Chris Withers wrote:


Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:



Sorry for that , it was on purpose.. I'm new to Zope and thought that 
it wasn't right to bother the rest of the list with my beginner 
problem...



The opposite is true.. by keeping this on the list, not only can other 
people help out, but other people can learn, and this becomes a 
resource for others once archived by google and gmane ;-)



 Module Products.MailTemplates.BaseMailTemplate, line 117, in send
 Module Products.MailTemplates.BaseMailTemplate, line 107, in _send
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute '_send'



Hmmm, what have you selected in the MailHost drop-down on the Mail 
Template's edit page?


Whatever you have selected is resolving to a string instead of a 
MailHost object :-S


I have selected a Zope mailhost object



cheers,

Chris

PS: What Zope version are you using?


Zope-2.8.1-final
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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0


Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:


Sorry for that , it was on purpose.. I'm new to Zope and thought that it 
wasn't right to bother the rest of the list with my beginner problem...


The opposite is true.. by keeping this on the list, not only can other 
people help out, but other people can learn, and this becomes a resource 
for others once archived by google and gmane ;-)



 Module Products.MailTemplates.BaseMailTemplate, line 117, in send
 Module Products.MailTemplates.BaseMailTemplate, line 107, in _send
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute '_send'


Hmmm, what have you selected in the MailHost drop-down on the Mail 
Template's edit page?


Whatever you have selected is resolving to a string instead of a 
MailHost object :-S


cheers,

Chris

PS: What Zope version are you using?

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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0

2005-10-11 Thread Nicolas Georgakopoulos


Chris Withers wrote:


(for the 2nd time, please keep this on the list...)
(just for the light on thinking, that means "hit reply all" or "make 
sure zope@zope.org is in the cc list)


Sorry for that , it was on purpose.. I'm new to Zope and thought that it 
wasn't right to bother the rest of the list with my beginner problem...



Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:

Your documentation have anothe problem , you forgot to set a subject 
in your example :(



Oh dear, yes, I remember, I recently made subject required :-S
I'll have to fix that soon...


After I set a subject it say's :

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'str' object has no attribute '_send'
I don't know how to setup the _send attribute



Yes, and? Where's the rest of the traceback? I can't help you without 
it..


cheers,

Chris


Traceback (innermost last):

 Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 113, in publish
 Module ZPublisher.mapply, line 88, in mapply
 Module ZPublisher.Publish, line 40, in call_object
 Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 311, in __call__
 Module Shared.DC.Scripts.Bindings, line 348, in _bindAndExec
 Module Products.PythonScripts.PythonScript, line 323, in _exec
 Module None, line 1, in mailAction.py
  - 
  - Line 1
 Module Products.MailTemplates.BaseMailTemplate, line 117, in send
 Module Products.MailTemplates.BaseMailTemplate, line 107, in _send
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute '_send'

Thank's for your help, looking forward to test your product tomorrow ;) (don't 
have more time for today)

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Re: [Zope] help with MailTemplates 1.0.0


(sheesh, what is it with people, is 'reply all' that hard to find? ;-)

Tino Wildenhain wrote:




*yuck* tal to render plain text. Now thats ugly ;)


Suggest something better...

I find it convenient, especially for generating html mail, which 
customer have a habit of liking ;-)


On the development front, the fewer languages anyone needs to know to do 
development, the better. TAL/TALES works just as well here...


Chris

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(for the 2nd time, please keep this on the list...)
(just for the light on thinking, that means "hit reply all" or "make 
sure zope@zope.org is in the cc list)


Nicolas Georgakopoulos wrote:
Your documentation have anothe problem , you forgot to set a subject in 
your example :(


Oh dear, yes, I remember, I recently made subject required :-S
I'll have to fix that soon...


After I set a subject it say's :

Error Type: AttributeError
Error Value: 'str' object has no attribute '_send'
I don't know how to setup the _send attribute


Yes, and? Where's the rest of the traceback? I can't help you without it..

cheers,

Chris

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