RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
JC wrote: Say what? That's just gibberish. I seriously doubt that Zawodny has any idea what that sentence means, if it means anything at all. A physical effect is allowed by a breakdown in a mathematical approximation? What that sentence does is make people's eyes glaze over, and think it sounds

RE: [Vo]:Speaking of MAHG

2011-12-05 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 05.12.2011 02:39 Betreff: RE: [Vo]:Speaking of MAHG The 15 kHz frequency is in the low ultrasonic range, and has been seen in a number of claimed gainful (or very efficient) devices:

[Vo]:negative endothermic?

2011-12-05 Thread francis
Once Mill's or Rossi's materials are up to temp they NEED energy subtracted because the atomic hydrogen must cool to reform h2 then changes in suppression values experienced by the moving gas relative to the Ni geometry lower the disassociation threshold such that the newly formed molecule

Re: [Vo]:Re: can we use such a program?

2011-12-05 Thread Craig Haynie
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 18:44 -0800, Mary Yugo wrote: Rossi lied when he said he was self-funded when in fact he had received funds from Ampenergo. Either that or Casserino lied. Rossi had a reason to lie, Casserino did not. There is no Ampenergo; it's just a paper company, like Leonardo corp.

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs

2011-12-05 Thread Horace Heffner
A restatement and some new thoughts on black hole UFOs at CERN. This is in response to the article about difficulties at the CERN LHC: http://www.livescience.com/17207-ufos-disrupting-search-god- particle.html ...UFOs — unidentified falling objects, that is — keep getting in their way.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: This is, of course, one of the classic hallmarks of the scammer. Many say this; but, to what end? He is not asking for money. Is it just the attention? Was he improperly weaned as a child? T

[Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mattia Rizzi
He is not asking for money Again? Why someone keeps saying He is not asking for money when it's not true? -Messaggio originale- From: Terry Blanton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 1:36 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum On Sun, Dec 4,

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote:. The bad news is that a failure to realize the danger of black holes created at one or more beam resonance peaks may have set on course the soon end to earth's existence. Horace, maybe you should dress this up a bit

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:39 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: He is not asking for money Again? Why someone keeps saying He is not asking for money when it's not true? Are you speaking of the people who buy his product? T

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs

2011-12-05 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
About the risk of big black hole, the CERN have accepted to start the LHC, not only because current theory say that small black hole will evaporate quickly (they don't take risk based on, even consensual, theory), but because Auger observatory have shown that we receive daily huge cosmic particle

[Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mattia Rizzi
-.- Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March (A LOT OF MONEY) for his technology (deadline of payment around June) Stop saying that he is not asking for money, because is false. -Messaggio originale- From: Terry Blanton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: About the risk of big black hole, the CERN have accepted to start the LHC, not only because current theory say that small black hole will evaporate quickly (they don't take risk based on, even consensual,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: -.- Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March (A LOT OF MONEY) for his technology (deadline of payment around June) Stop saying that he is not asking for money, because is false. Okay,

[Vo]:Nichenergy-sponsored workshop on LENR?

2011-12-05 Thread Akira Shirakawa
Hello group, It has come to my attention that the 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals on April 2012 will be organized by Piantelli and sponsored by Nichenergy srl, a newly founded company representing his investors and which will supposedly manufacture Ni-H

[Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mattia Rizzi
So Stanley Meter, a scammer (Ohio court sentence), was not a true scammer? Mmmh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell -Messaggio originale- From: Terry Blanton Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 2:15 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Berke Durak
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:24 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: But Villa measured no gammas above background with *no* lead. ... Villa would have detected gammas in that range. All right, probably no or negligible gammas above 200 keV.  (c) We don't know if the gammas are emitted

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-05 07:36 AM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Sun, Dec 4, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: This is, of course, one of the classic hallmarks of the scammer. Many say this; Because it's true, of course. but, to what end? To point out the annoying and

Re: [Vo]:Nasa LENR slides

2011-12-05 Thread David Roberson
I just wanted to inject a thought into Vortex. There is much talk of the large energy required to cause the LENR reaction to take place. We all know that cosmic rays are penetrating the environment which carry far more energy than needed to overcome the barriers, so maybe a few triggers are

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:25 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: So Stanley Meter, a scammer (Ohio court sentence), was not a true scammer? Mmmh. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Meyer%27s_water_fuel_cell Actually, the book is not yet closed Meyer. Some believe that he did not

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
just about the shielding, what about the chamber itself as shielding (what material/thickness?) for some kind of emissions. at least it should stop alpha and beta, protons, weak X, and reduce X, and maybe soft gamma. 2011/12/5 Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com According to Nelson's slides, the

Re: [Vo]:Nichenergy-sponsored workshop on LENR?

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Akira Shirakawa shirakawa.ak...@gmail.com wrote: Hello group, It has come to my attention that the 10th International Workshop on Anomalies in Hydrogen Loaded Metals on April 2012 will be organized by Piantelli and sponsored by Nichenergy srl, a newly founded

[Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mattia Rizzi
He did have some remarkable demonstrations AND he died the same way as knowledgeable people Another free energy conspiracy? So boring... The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was bullshit. -Messaggio originale- From: Terry Blanton Sent: Monday, December

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:36 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Actually I find the interlocking companies with funding from ... someplace ..., along with the early claims that Rossi (or was it Defkalion?) had received a great deal of investment money from a substantial number of

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: Another free energy conspiracy? So boring... The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was bullshit. Actually, I find all this exciting and interesting. It's people who killed Tinker Bell that

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:17 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: JC wrote: “Say what? That's just gibberish. I seriously doubt that Zawodny has any idea what that sentence means, if it means anything at all. A physical effect is allowed by a breakdown in a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-05 10:40 AM, Mattia Rizzi wrote: He did have some remarkable demonstrations AND he died the same way as knowledgeable people Another free energy conspiracy? So boring... The only fact was that he was sentenced as a scammer and his work was bullshit. Boy, THAT's a conclusive

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:43 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: The nickel is a power. It's pretty hard to imagine a preferred emission direction with randomly oriented reactants. True, but again, this is unknown physics, Right. Anything can be explained that way... and the

[Vo]:Re: Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Mattia Rizzi
Bianchini instrument has a range between 20keV – some MeV, and he didi’t measure anything in all tests. Shielding was partially cut off in january for Villa’s detector. Bianchini measured nothing. From: Joshua Cude Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 5:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 5:15 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 8:05 AM, Mattia Rizzi mattia.ri...@gmail.com wrote: -.- Rossi is asking for money. He asked money to Defkalion in February/March (A LOT OF MONEY) for his technology (deadline of payment around

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: I think that they are relieved that AR failed to deliver by their deadline and had already in their possession the secret of how the reactor worked, assuming this is all true. Yes, and that would be a huge assumption.

Re: [Vo]:Nichenergy-sponsored workshop on LENR?

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
If you look at their schedule, it appears that their secret source of energy is... COFFEE!

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Joshua wrote: So, random atomic motion representing a fraction of an eV per atom is somehow supposed to be concentrated by a factor of much more than a million by some resonant phenomenon. ABSOLUTELY POSSIBLE. You are reasoning from the physics of brute force, which is all that nuclear

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Joshua wrote: “So, random atomic motion representing a fraction of an eV per atom is somehow supposed to be concentrated by a factor of much more than a million by some resonant phenomenon.” ** **

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint posted a study on Rydberg matter a few weeks ago which stated that this special form of exotic hydrogen (alkali matter) can amplify quantum mechanical properties of atoms by some 11 orders of magnitude; that is 10 to the 11th power. The Coulomb barrier cannot protect the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So Steorn were not true scammers? No, just stupid. And usually drunk. T

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:50 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Vorl Bek
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So Steorn were not true scammers? No, just stupid. And usually drunk. What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid drunks.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Vorl Bek vorl@antichef.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: So Steorn were not true scammers? No, just stupid. And usually drunk. What is it so far ~16 million? Not bad for a bunch of stupid drunks.

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate between claims and facts or evidence and they don't require independent testing before they accept

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Hi Axil, Gee, I don't even remember whether I posted that one or not, but what's important is that there is plenty of evidence that extraordinary CONDITIONS frequently produce results that don't make sense. Nice to know that someone has seen my FYI postings to be potentially useful. Why did I

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate between claims and

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.comwrote: On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Believers seem to have the fundamental problem that they don't differentiate between claims and

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
So sorry, I should have included a reference to that paper for the convenience of Mr. Cude. http://physics.aps.org/pdf/10.1103/PhysRevA.84.031402.pdf Best regards, Axil On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: Hi Axil, ** ** Gee, I don’t

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Berke Durak
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Right. Anything can be explained that way... Thank God you weren't there when they came up with quantum theory. Maybe with new physics, but with old physics, the EM fields Rossi used do not control nuclear reactions.

[Vo]:Scientist [aka: Rossi] Makes Pitch for Massachusetts Cold Fusion Plant

2011-12-05 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
From Live Science: TITLE Scientist Makes Pitch for Massachusetts Cold Fusion Plant http://www.livescience.com/17310-scientist-pitch-massachusetts-cold-fusion-plant.html Mostly harmless The energizer bunny seems to keep on going and going. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Robert Lynn
It is clearly demonstrable that there exist mechanisms (of unknown type) in room temperature condensed matter to create at least 10's of keV, check out the rather fascinating following video: http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/10588/X_Rays_from_Sellotape/ On 5 December 2011 15:52, Joshua

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Right. Anything can be explained that way... Thank God you weren't there when they came up with quantum theory. Cude could not have impeded

Re: [Vo]:Nichenergy-sponsored workshop on LENR?

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Gluck
Whose source of energy, dear Mary? You are speaking about ISCMNS? I like humor but there are limits. It is very possible that my Alzheimer is progressing faster but I don't get this joke As regarding NICHENERGY they are Piantelli's sponsors and my friends. Piantelli is the founder of the field

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 05.12.2011 19:50, schrieb Robert Lynn: It is clearly demonstrable that there exist mechanisms (of unknown type) in room temperature condensed matter to create at least 10's of keV, check out the rather fascinating following video:

[Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread David Roberson
It is apparent that a lot of energy is required to initiate the nuclear reaction in ECAT type devices. This problem is always a sticking point for the skeptical point of view and certainly makes the process seem less likely to most of us in the other camp. I proposed the possibility of

Re: [Vo]:Nichenergy-sponsored workshop on LENR?

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com wrote: Whose source of energy, dear Mary? You are speaking about ISCMNS? I like humor but there are limits. It is very possible that my Alzheimer is progressing faster but I don't get this joke Please. It was just a silly

RE: EXTERNAL: RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Roarty, Francis X
JC, IMHO the resonance as mentioned by Mark, and the Rydberg matter as mentioned by Axil, are both involved in supplying this million fold energy gain you require but are not the source. I do like that you referred to the random atomic motion because it is actually just

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement, Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics. I think I need to explain resonance to you. Resonance is an interesting phenomenon where SMALL INputs of force or energy into a system results in VERY LARGE OUTputs. There is nothing

RE: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Thx for taking time to post that reference Axil. I'm visually oriented, so some of the charts do look familiar. -m From: Axil Axil [mailto:janap...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 10:32 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Charly Sistovaris
(sorry this was my first post here, should've sent it to vortex address) Charly: What I fail to understand is how Defkalion fits in the scam theory ? Rossi definitely has the profile, but assuming it's a scam is Defkalion part of it as well ? As accomplice or rival scammers ? It seems a little

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Andrea Selva
Could this theory explain why e-cat works only at exactly 44.50N, 11.40E ( Via dell'Elettricista, 6http://maps.google.it/maps/place?ftid=0x477e2c9d8f052653:0xbb01c2caaede9d3bq=44.503798,11.402594ved=0CA4Q-gswAAsa=Xei=XyHdTs3zLubRmAWdv_DoBwsig2=MSCvhxqFZtuv5lrCZrt8zw40138 Bologna Italy) and A.R.

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote: Could this theory explain why e-cat works only at exactly 44.50N, 11.40E ( Via dell'Elettricista,

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: I keep giving Rossi the benefit of the doubt. Things keep going down hill. I have to ask myself, would I buy a used car from this man? Have you just noticed that he is hard to deal with? Is this a revelation to you? I could have told you this any

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Andrea Selva
Sorry Jed. I apologize for the quite rude joke. Couldn't resist. By the way I missed this McKubre test in US. Can you tell me more and provide some pointers ? Thanks Andrea -- Forwarded message -- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Date: 2011/12/5 Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT

RE: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Robert Leguillon
/snip/ As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have been)... /snip/ What tests have been performed by others? Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:21:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:21 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: This incident also confirms my belief that he is the world's worst con-man. He could not con candy from a baby. He could not sell water to someone dying of thirst. In a perverse way, this gives me confidence in his

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 12:24 PM 12/5/2011, Andrea Selva wrote: Sorry Jed. I apologize for the quite rude joke. Couldn't resist. I still think that the eCat's neutrinos are interfering with the LHC's tachyonic neutrino experiment. Or vice-versa. Did you notice that Rossi always lines up the eCats in the same

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Yet people on forums and blogs keep offering to contribute or invest money despite the lack of independent verification that he has something worthwhile. He must be doing something correctly. Yes indeed. He showed irrefutable proof of a nuclear reaction

[Vo]:Re: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Mattia Rizzi
By the way I missed this McKubre test in US. Can you tell me more and provide some pointers ? I missed it too. I think that Jed’s memory is wrong. From: Andrea Selva Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 9:24 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays? Sorry Jed.

Re: [Vo]:How to make a 100 kV Lenard valve for deuterium fusion - idea

2011-12-05 Thread mixent
In reply to peter.heck...@arcor.de's message of Mon, 5 Dec 2011 08:16:53 +0100 (CET): Hi, [snip] My thought is to improve the efficiency of this process. Generate 100 keV electrons or protons in a vacuum and shoot them directly in a lossless way into a /pressurized/ deuterium /stream/. I dont

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: /snip/ As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests have been)... /snip/ What tests have been performed by others? Ampenergo, before they signed

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
It seems to me that a universal theme in “cold fusion” is a triggering mechanism that releases stored potential energy. In all cases, a “cold fusion” system is a system that is heavily coherent in a quantum mechanical(QM) sense. Potential energy builds up and is stored by these coherent atoms.

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 05.12.2011 21:44, schrieb mix...@bigpond.com: Hi, The (private?) Swiss company Glencore has acquired all the shares of the largest Australian Nickel producer Minara. This is not a problem. The e-cat does not use much nickel. We can extract it from Euro coins or from others. They contain

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:46:07 -0500: Hi, [snip] When one of these coherent atoms becomes QM decoherent and leaves the QM assemblage through the action of a trigger, it releases this potential energy over the entire QM assemblage. Surely the energy of any one atom

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Andrea Selva andreagiuseppe.se...@gmail.com wrote: By the way I missed this McKubre test in US. Can you tell me more and provide some pointers ? See: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l%40eskimo.com/msg58130.html - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Whoa, ALL the shares? That is a most unusual transaction... Swiss company, eh... wanna bet they've been talking to Essen and Kulander? Looks like the LENR-energy-generation equivalent of OPEC will be in Switzerland! This is getting more and more interesting by the day... -m -Original

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Alain dit le Cycliste
not so false. according to Rossi's E-cat figures, it would consume 25% of annual Ni production to produce the annual energy. in my opinion, according to defkalion info, the powder seems simple. the reactor and the H bottle seems the most expensive nb: assuming it works, as told. 2011/12/5 Peter

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread David Roberson
I personally think that the evidence points toward small regions of heat generation such as hot spots. The fantastic pictures of electrode pitting looks so much like the craters left after an explosion with their typical conical shape scream out to me that this is a localized effect. The use

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 05.12.2011 22:03, schrieb Alain dit le Cycliste: not so false. according to Rossi's E-cat figures, it would consume 25% of annual Ni production to produce the annual energy. in my opinion, according to defkalion info, the powder seems simple. the reactor and the H bottle seems the most

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 01:03 PM 12/5/2011, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: not so false. according to Rossi's E-cat figures, it would consume 25% of annual Ni production to produce the annual energy. in my opinion, according to defkalion info, the powder seems simple. the reactor and the H bottle seems the most

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Vorl Bek
not so false. according to Rossi's E-cat figures, it would consume 25% of annual Ni production to produce the annual energy. According to one of the big conspiracy sites the e-cat's core is literally a roll of US nickels (plus the catalyst).

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
I speculate that when a coherent proton who is a member of a large coherent ensemble of protons penetrates the nucleus of a nickel atom, this nickel atom will retain the energy of the nuclear reaction as potential energy. When a thermal phonon that propagates in the nickel lattice perturbs this

Re: [Vo]:LHC plagued by UFOs

2011-12-05 Thread Horace Heffner
On Dec 5, 2011, at 4:04 AM, Alain dit le Cycliste wrote: About the risk of big black hole, the CERN have accepted to start the LHC, not only because current theory say that small black hole will evaporate quickly (they don't take risk based on, even consensual, theory), but because Auger

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread James Bowery
This morning, I ran across a truly classy cold fusion joke appearing in Charles Beaudette's book Excess Heat in that book's appendix: The Internet Noise Level written as a letter to Dr. I. M. Noteworthy. I was delighted to see Beaudette's association of the word noise with internet regarding cold

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-05 01:23 PM, Mary Yugo wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com mailto:sa...@pobox.com wrote: On 11-12-05 12:50 PM, Terry Blanton wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Mary Yugomaryyu...@gmail.com

[Vo]:Kullander Essen -have they analyzed the unused nickel powder?

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
According to the report of Kullander Essen Rossi has given to them a sample of unused Nickel powder and a sample of used powder. It was often said, they found only natural isotope distribution in the used powder. I could not find reports about the new powder. Rossi has multiply claimed that

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
On 11-12-05 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com mailto:robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote: /snip/ As long as a positive test is based purely on physics rather than his personal credibility, or it is performed by others (as some tests

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
OOPS -- Sorry, Jed, you obviously have *NOT* blocked Mary, and the rest of what I said is therefore of little consequence, because you've read the arguments already. On 11-12-05 04:46 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-12-05 03:45 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Robert Leguillon

Re: [Vo]:Ni producer

2011-12-05 Thread Ahsoka Tano
This is not really news. Glencore had already owned 70% of Minara in August, 2011 and had offered to buy the whole of Minara; this is how Glencore makes money - taking over smaller mining companies and sells off the commodity. Glencore is not a private company, it had gone IPO in May and is down

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Axil Axil
The crystal structure of transition metal hydrides especially when oxides are involved, leads to imposition of coherent confinement of protons in the hydride crystal structure on the macro level. In some compound, absolutely all the protons are entangled temperature notwithstanding. This macro

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: Have you read nothing of how psychics operate? Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could not begin to fool anyone looking inside a fake cold fusion

Re: [Vo]: ECAT Triggered by Cosmic Rays?

2011-12-05 Thread Michele Comitini
The biggest source of contemporary cosmic rays has been just identified: http://agile.rm.iasf.cnr.it/doc/AGILE_cosmic-rays_W44_press-release__07b_English.pdf This means that cosmic ray flux is very likely to subject to fluctuations on the long period (comparable to star life), and could come

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net wrote: ** ** I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement, “Resonance is very much a part of brute force physics.” ** ** I think I need to explain resonance to you… Resonance is an interesting

Re: [Vo]:LENR Presentation by Joseph Zawodny, NASA Langley Research Center Edit

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Robert Lynn robert.gulliver.l...@gmail.com wrote: It is clearly demonstrable that there exist mechanisms (of unknown type) in room temperature condensed matter to create at least 10's of keV, check out the rather fascinating following video: I wouldn't say

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:33 PM, Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: (FWIW I'd be surprised if Terry didn't get it...) Cherry-cola champagne? Kinky! :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 05.12.2011 22:56, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Stephen A. Lawrencesa...@pobox.com wrote: Have you read nothing of how psychics operate? Actually, I have read a lot about that, possibly more than Yugo has. I have also read about stage magicians. In both cases their methods could not begin to fool

Re: [Vo]:Padua University not Siena made the analysis

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Berke Durak berke.du...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Joshua Cude joshua.c...@gmail.com wrote: Right. Anything can be explained that way... Thank God you weren't there when they came up with quantum theory. Except that when Planck tried

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Peter Heckert wrote: Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-) His Japanese is pretty good. Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: For example, he demonstrated 30 L of water that remained at boiling temperatures for four hours with no input. [...] Neither you nor any other skeptic has ever given us a single viable, scientific reason to doubt these

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence sa...@pobox.com wrote: I have corresponded with Randi directly, and I saw his recent video. Nothing he says about cold fusion has any merit. He knows nothing about this subject. Have you

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Mary Yugo
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 2:25 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Peter Heckert wrote: Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-) His Japanese is pretty good. Do you seriously think that a chemist examining

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 05.12.2011 23:25, schrieb Jed Rothwell: Peter Heckert wrote: Watch this magician: http://youtu.be/VsYDRRGmpXU At 6:00 he makes steam and he allows more access than Rossi ;-) His Japanese is pretty good. Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the source

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Have you corresponded specifically with Randi about Rossi? No, this was years ago. However, he has not changed is views. He says that Rossi and all other researchers are scammers, frauds, lunatics and criminals. That is also what Robert Park and many other

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Jed Rothwell
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote: Do you seriously think that a chemist examining that cup would not find the source of heat? Get real. Once you look inside the magic trick stage prop, the trick is always instantly obvious. That's the point though, isn't it? Nobody was ever allowed to

Re: [Vo]:Re: Krivit article on NASA Forum

2011-12-05 Thread Joshua Cude
On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: He has no magical ability to change the Stefan-Boltzmann law. The Stefan-Boltzmann law does you no good if the foil has an emissivity of 10% or less. That would give less than 50W emission for 60C surface temperature in

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