Re: [Wikimediaau-l] ask for WMAU: namespace on meta?

[Gnangarra]

I think a Chapter-au: Chapter-de: Chapter-NY type name space would be the
better format because then its location specific everybody can have a page
called Membership and everybody would be able to follow the same format.

eg Chapter-AU:Membership

2008/11/13 Pharos [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Pharos [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
  As an emissary of your hoping-to-be-sister chapter in New York City, I
  can see the usefulness of a new namespace for all sorts of
  chapter-type activities, for all chapters.
 
  Either a namespace for Chapter (for all chapters) or Event (to
  cover all events whether or not they're formally connected to a
  chapter).

 Or, and this strike me as a good catch-all now: Local as a namespace.

  I could even see this tying in to a kind of new pseudo-social
  networking namespace attached to userpages (like a user talk page, but
  another tab), which could be useful to coordinate folks on a
  geographic basis.
 
  Thanks,
  Pharos
 
  On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:13 PM, Brianna Laugher
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi,
 
  What do y'all think about asking the meta community for support to
  request a WMAU: namespace on meta?
 
  Currently we have a mass of subpages and it makes the pages have very
  long titles, as well as being tedious to type and hard to remember.
 
  Brianna
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Announcement - publication with CCau

[Gnangarra]

I saw somewhere that Wikimedia is changing over to a CC-by-3.x license in
the near future after some changes were made to make compatable with
GDFL/GNU requirements

On 19/11/2008, John Vandenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Brianna Laugher
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  2008/11/19 Stephen Bain [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Brianna Laugher
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Of course it will be under a free
  license, probably CC-BY-SA.
 
  Dual CC-BY-SA / GFDL would be nice, that would make it compatible with
  the Wikimedia projects (and our own wiki!).
 
  [I'm trying not to think about the licensing mess of transferring meta
  content to officialwiki, and then meta content (probably) goes to
  CC-BY-SA, but officialwiki doesn't because of the date cutoffs and
  blah blah... you see? Gawd...]
 
  Anyway dual licensing is of course a possibility, but I'm pretty sure
  as long as CC-BY-SA is in there it doesn't much matter what else is.
  :)

 The simple solution is to require that all members assign the
 copyright of all wiki-text to WM-AU, or all members give WM-AU the
 right to relicense it.  Then by resolution of the committee, or an
 AGM, it can be relicensed any way we wish, without needing to seek
 permission from members who might be no longer available.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

Lets look at this differently, Wikipedia/Foundation is about providing free
access to all knowledge, how could someone who supports the project consider
promoting censorship of the information?



2008/12/10 Gnangarra [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 2008/12/10 private musings [EMAIL PROTECTED]



 snip though I would prefer there were better systems in place to ensure
 that the images are legal (ie. models consenting and of age), and that (per
 Nick) folk have some opportunity to self-select. I'd be inclined to support
 a flickr like 'please click here to indicate that you're of age to view this
 material' sort of thing, I think.



 Yep and every kid is going to just tick such a box anyway, the intention of
 the box is to dimish responsibility of the provider not to protect the
 viewer.



 cheers,

 Peter
 PM.




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 I must say, there's a certain appeal to attempting to forbid kids from
 reading encyclopedias, so they'll think it's cool.


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia and schools

[Gnangarra]

I'd be up for that, cant let it have solely an Eastern States POV :)

2008/12/11 K. Peachey [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  Anyone for a mini-project then? =).  The existing SOS selection looks
 like
  it'll be a good base, but adding more Australian themed articles to it
  would probably be a nice attention grabber when we go talking to schools.
 
  Cheers,
  Craig
 I would be! maybe a task-force for WikiProject Australia?
 And we would have to decide what Australian contents gets in, eg:
 iconic/well known tv shows/what history content gets in.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP:AUS newsletter segment on WMA needed

[Gnangarra]

just alter the date on the AGM from The first AGM is planned for January 10
2008. to The first AGM is planned for January 11 2009.

2008/12/16 YellowMonkey blnguyen2...@gmail.com

 Would someone like to hop down to


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Australia/Newsletter/December_2008

 and fill in a summary for us?

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Poster sales

[Gnangarra]

Thats is interesting,

My issue is that the donation goes to a chapter rather than the Foundation,
so is there potential for us as a chapter to do this on en?




2008/12/20 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com

 I suggest you have a look at Brianna's blog on this...
 http://brianna.modernthings.org/article/178/innovation-and-commerce-on-the-french-wikipedia-wikiposters
 -Liam

 On 20/12/2008, at 12:29 PM, Gnangarra wrote:

 Of interest http://www.wikiposter.fr/wikipedia.aspx

 this link through fr.wikipedia, is it something we could or want to look
 into?

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] AGM Election nominations closed

[Gnangarra]

My view is the rules are clear in that you can only nominate for one
position, I'd see it as being unfair on three people who have already
nominated as ordinary members.

If there wasnt enough nominations to fill all positions then asking the
person/people who miss out if they'd like to take on another role would be
acceptable.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Backstage Pass event in Sydney

[Gnangarra]

Liam

This is wonderful, we can offer to do some image restorations as part of
this to that end I've already approached User:Durova she's done a lot of
restorations of early images many are now FP on both commons and en and is
willing to do a digital restoration of some their images, all thats needs is
a large scan preferably in tif format rather than jpg

Norman Lindsay poster restored example
original --
http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/h?pp/PPALL:@field(numb...@1(cph+3g12164))

restored version -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trumpetcallsa.jpg

Then theres this one of Labor members
original -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:LabourGroup.jpg
restored version -- http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Labor_1901b.jpg

We can offer more then just writting an article...ultimately even some of
the restorations displayed with a credit to the restorer, Commons and WM-au


2009/1/13 Orderinchaos78 orderinchao...@gmail.com

 For this sort of stuff noone should ever be afraid of using WP:AWNB on en.
 It's not a terribly busy board, and it's got the content side of the
 readers. If it's something really big, make a note on WT:AUS linking back to
 the AWNB post. Is there an Australian commons community as well btw?

 (I realise the en regulars already know all this but just for those who
 aren't)

 2009/1/13 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com

  How can we attract people who

  don't usually come to meetups? I expect embarrassingly few will turn
  up if we can't do this.
 
  Yes, my concern too. Thoughts on how to increase turn-out:
 
  == Tell them ==
  * We spam everyone in
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Sydney
  , all ~231 of them, via their talk page, notifying them about this
  event
  for Wikipedians in Sydney,

 This I what I was expecting we would do - once the Membership of WM-
 AU have had a chance to settle on a date.

  * Put it on the Australian Wikipedian's noticeboard.
 Yep. Even if they can't come because it's full or they're not in the
 city, it makes them more aware of WM-AU as a real entity and
 encourages them to join up in the future. So, it needn't be a we
 need more people notice, but more of a what your chapter is doing
 for you, FYI.
 
 
  == Outreach to related communities ==
 I really don't think we'll need to go beyond our immediate contacts
 for this one. 20 people will fill up faster that you expect I believe.
 
  == Maybe add a sweetener? ==
 
 I'm pretty sure there's enough sweetener in this already! :-) WM-AU
 doesn't have any merch of its own as yet...
 But did I mention that Powerhouse wants to put their marketing people
 on to this and try to get this event mentioned in the papers/radio
 the next day...? Sweet enough yet?
 
  == Exclusivity ==

 This, I expect will be a major drawcard factor, and something that is
 implicit in the name of the event.
 
  Let's assume we do the above, and that gets us 7 more people.
 
  == Overbooking ==

 Hmm... not sure, I don't want to second guess a system that has never
 been tested yet.
 
 
  So basically even if we do all of the above, we'll probably get
  about 7
  +7+6+7-7 = 20 people.
 
  That's my guess anyway.
 
  -- All the best,
  Nick.

 In conclusion - I think we'll get our 20 quick-smart. The trick is
 not so much finding 20 people who are willing to get access to
 Powerhouse for free, but more a question of finding 20 people who
 will repay the Powerhouse's generosity with some effort on WP.
 Remember - this is not just a free-ride, we have to put back too...
 *This will be the trick to making this successful and getting the
 Powerhouse to recommend us to other institutions in the future.* This
 is our job interview.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Backstage Pass event in Sydney

[Gnangarra]

A notice at WP:AWNB is ok but targeting individuals isnt a good idea

2009/1/14 Nick Perkins superni...@gmail.com

 I would recommend caution with spamming Sydney Wikipedians.

 I remember in recent past where someone spammed Wikipedians who were
 listed as supporting WMAU letting them know some important information and
 community reaction was mixed. Perhaps having notices up in the usual
 places would be good.

 For the future, a WMAU newsletter or similar could be organised to contain
 this kind of information. A bot account could be set up to post this out to
 subscribers on a fairly regular basis. There are a few Australian bot
 runners who might be able to assist with that.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Backstage Pass event in Sydney

[Gnangarra]

One does kinda expect to get spammed from facebook groups occassionally

2009/1/15 Orderinchaos78 orderinchao...@gmail.com

 Yeah I don't see any harm in using the Facebook group.

 2009/1/15 Charles Gregory wikimediaau.li...@chuq.net

 It also just occurred to me the Wikimedia Australia group on facebook is
 another avenue - the membership of the group currently sits at 48, which
 would be close the number of actual financial members WMAU has - but there
 wouldn't be 100% overlap - we may be able to catch a few more along the
 way.  Anyway, it is another avenue to publicise our activities.  It may even
 be a good idea to send a general summary update anyway, perhaps encouraging
 them to join as financial members?

 Regards,

 Charles




 On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Lloyd Nguyen zero1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Strike out the spam option and that sounds good. Even if it's a good
 intention that's never a good way to go about it.

 2009/1/14 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:
  3) Depending on the number of available spots left we: headhunt
 specific
  Sydney Wikipedians on the Sydney-WIkipedian's category (a ask your
 friends
  approach); We spam on the talkpages of those listed in the
  sydney-wikipedian's category; We advertise in the Wikiproject Australia
  noticeboard (and/or similar).
 

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] contacting external people

[Gnangarra]

I'll throw it back here rather than add to the page,

WM-au neds an ID system and if we want to be more serious some form of
accreditation system for photographers to attend these kind of thing. The
reason is that we are then establishing that the person is a member of the
association and that association has no issue with the person contact them
as such. Accerditation will also ensure that the person is actually going to
use and release the photographs under a free license via one of the projects
rather than get access and then just sell the images.

2009/1/16 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com

 Hi all,

 I've created http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Contacting_external_folk as a
 place to centralise some information, and chat about good processes for how
 non-committee members (and indeed anyone really) may be able to make contact
 with external agencies for various reasons - take a look if you get the
 chance, and help knock it into shape :-)

 My inspiration for this was a whisper that it might be possible to attend a
 Manly Sea Eagles training / press session to get some high quality images -
 I know that the Wallabies (union national team) are also fairly open to such
 things, so thought it might be a good idea to centralise the info.

 cheers,

 Peter,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Special:Import on the au wiki?

[Gnangarra]

The articles dont need to be drawn from en.wikipedia there are version
available on http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

2009/1/20 Andrew orderinchao...@gmail.com

 (I'll note just by way of clarification that in saying teachers generally
 avoid anything that creates work for them, I was meaning - having been in a
 busy staff room for several weeks in 2007 - that they already have *more*
 than enough to do without more being expected of them. Burnout is a real
 problem in that profession, especially in the specialist areas.)

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] contacting external people

[Gnangarra]

There is one person from NSW that I know of who was accredited by Wikinews
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/User:Cartman02au

2009/1/22 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com

 2009/1/16 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com:

  WM-au neds an ID system and if we want to be more serious some form of
  accreditation system for photographers to attend these kind of thing. The
  reason is that we are then establishing that the person is a member of
 the
  association and that association has no issue with the person contact
 them
  as such. Accerditation will also ensure that the person is actually going
 to
  use and release the photographs under a free license via one of the
 projects
  rather than get access and then just sell the images.


 Are there Wikinews-accredited Wikinewsies in Australia? They'd be good
 quick first choices.


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WM-AU national gathering

[Gnangarra]

While its nice and can be advantageous to piggy back on other groups for
confrences, the decision on when to hold the AGM and whether theres an event
to coincide with it must be that of our members/committee complying with
requirements of our constitution.

I'd also suggest that making blanket statements about elimating places as
potential venues for any events will do more to alienate current members and
potential members. The last Perth meetup had 14 people attend while Andrew
and myself tried to encourage memberships the dominant comment was there is
no advantage or reason for Perth people being part of an Eastern States
based group, these types of blanket statements only reinforce those
opinions.



2009/1/27 Charles Gregory wikimediaau.li...@chuq.net

 Hi everyone,

 Just a couple of thoughts about the planned Wikimedia Australia national
 gathering/meetup/conference/whatever.  I raised these ideas with Brianna
 last week but repeating them here for all to see ...

 Assuming the gathering is going to be (a) annual (b) roaming location wise,
 one option is aligning this with linux.conf.au (LCA) if possible.  Linux
 Australia do this with their AGM - host it the day after LCA finishes.

 Pros:

 1. Main reason - An overlap in our target audience (open content = open
 source).  Many people travel for LCA, but have a limited travel budget/time
 allowance, and this would allow more to attend.
 2. It takes the decision making out of our hands - less
 process/policy/bickering
 3. If we go the full conference option - sharing publicity/resources with
 LCA
 4. Benefits of that particular time of year - generally warm weather
 everywhere, and uni break means uni accommodation is available.

 Cons:

 1. The LCA city is not always appropriate for a WM-AU meetup due to us
 being of a smaller size.  eg. Hobart, Cairns, Darwin, NZ, possibly Perth.
 Workaround - we decide our own venue in those particular years.
 2. I believe our AGM needs to be held between July-November.  I'm not sure
 how Linux Australia gets away with holding theirs in January.  They may be
 incorporated in a different state with different rules?

 Other notes:

 - Since the next LCA will be in Wellington, I suggest we don't change our
 plans for this year - continue on with the late '09 Canberra option as
 previously suggested.
 - Are we going to LCA Wellington next year (Jan 2010) anyway?  We could
 assist WM-NZ with their formation.
 - Naturally if we were to host Wikimania it would not be influenced by
 this.

 Comments/ideas?

 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: ABC's 'PM' covering Wikipedia Flagged Revs proposal

[Gnangarra]

So what is WM-au position on flagged revisions?

2009/1/27 YellowMonkey blnguyen2...@gmail.com

 The 6.10 screening is on all ABC local radios and the chats are always on
 teh ABC website on podcast or whatever




 On Tue, Jan 27, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Brianna Laugher 
 brianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 I just did a bit of an interview with Rachael Brown for the ABC radio show
 'PM'.

 Apparently it is on twice an evening: Radio National 5.10pm, and ABC
 local (774 in Melbourne) at 6.10pm.

 Here's hoping it sounds OK, if someone could make a digital recording
 somehow that would be ace :)

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Commons on Picture Australia

[Gnangarra]

repost to get cross posting now I'm on both wmau list and commons list

2009/2/3 Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com


 1 -  Commons file information is actually more accurate with greater detail
 compared to flickr images we have a greater degree of scrutiny ensuring that
 the images are appropriate and freely licensed, also our scope isnt that of
 flickr and we seek more images of record/encyclopaedic relevance. I have
 already contacted PA on a number of occassion with errors in identifications
 and spelling on image they already have

 2 - All of our images are under a free license in accordance with both
 policies and Australian laws the image source is listed, we can filter out
 image from other sources by just creating another category call Picture
 Australia and setting up its scope of being self made Australian images. As
 PA sources include libraries they already have a number of duplicated
 images, many of which dont even have the same description.

 3 - There are already bots/scripts available that can identify recent
 additions, and there are some good OS writers so having something created to
 do the work shouldnt be a big issue its just a matter of finding someone
 willing. Of course this would be an open source program which PA could use
 else where in the future

 4. - a Picture Australia category, and the software written to aquire
 images from that category inparticular and from other categories in
 particular wouldnt be a problem

 2009/2/3 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com

 Dear All,

 [cross post to commons-l and wikimediaaustralia-l]

 Picture Australia is interested in adding Commons photos to their service
 but has several technical issues they would like to resolve first. Can we
 help?

 Picture Australia is an archive aggregation service run by the National
 Library of Australia and aggregates searches across many Australian
 institutions (such as the various state libraries, universities, government
 departments) and also Flickr. You can see the project at
 http://www.pictureaustralia.org/index.html and you can see their other
 contributors at
 http://www.pictureaustralia.org/contribute/participants/index.html

 This is a quote from the email written to me from PA:
 At the moment our main source of contemporary images is Flickr and we are
 interested in investigating other sources of contemporary images.  There are
 a few issues with the Wikimedia Commons that we foresee:
 1- the metadata quality is highly variable.  With Flickr contributors are
 able to provide a fair bit of additional metadata about their images.
 Before  pulling images in from Wikipedia we'd need the data to adhere to
 some basic standards.  (see
 http://www.pictureaustralia.org/contribute/metadata.html).
 2- there are certainly a number of images that have been sourced from
 Picture Australia or our contributors.  Pulling these in would create an
 issue with duplicate images and would likely confuse users if they were
 attempting to buy a copy.
 3- Wikipedia doesn't have an OAI interface so we would need to look at how
 to ingest the data.

 I would add a 4th concern, and I'm not sure if this is a big problem or
 easily fixed, is that most of the pictures on Commons are not relevant to
 PA. Would we be able to provide a feed of only the relevant categories?

 All the best,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

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The duration of copyright in photographs was significantly extended as a
result of implementing Australia's
obligations under the AUSFTA. This made protection for photographs
consistent with protection for other types of
artistic works. For photographs in which copyrights still subsisted on 1
January 2005, or which are created on or
after that date, copyright lasts until 70 years from the end of the year in
which the photographer died.

Prior to this phototgraphs were PD after 50 years they were taken not after
the death of the photographer,

Painting etc have always been after the artists death, there was a window of
opportunity to copyrighted works in other countries that werent covered by
US copyright that the owner could register the work in the US and get
copyright reinstate in the US though it *did not  could not *be applied if
copyright had been extinguished in the originating country, the target group
of works for this was some cinamatic and all music where copyright in the US
was 20-25 years for foreign works, though it could have been applied to
photographs I havent seen any images that have been registered..

It is common practise for Australian institutions to claim copyright on PD
images where they dont actually have that right but they can reasonable
expect a fee for providing high quality large format copies for reuse so I
presume they use the copyright claim as the way of ensuring they get the
fee.

The image is already used in the FA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Bradman and was on the main page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/August_27,_2008I'd
say theres very little doubt given the scrutiny and usage that the
image
has already had in the last 6 months that its PD


2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com

 Oh I hate this stuff

 According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are the
 most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
 the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
 *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
 even trickier.
 http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm

 I don't know if we want to take their advice, but on that reading it is
 *likely* that a 1946 photographer probably lived 'till 1955 and therefore
 the image is *likely* still copyrighted. However, this is NOT the practice
 on WP to-date and it is not an uncontested reading.

 -Liam

 On 2/10/09, YellowMonkey blnguyen2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Can anyone who understands PD-Australia look at


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Donald_Bradman_with_the_Australian_cricket_team_in_England_in_1948

 please

 The 1955 rule seems to being challenged again

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pd-Australia

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Under the FTA copyright in the US is extinguished if the copyright in the
originating country was already extinguished at the time of FTA being
implimented

2009/2/11 Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com

 2009/2/10 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com:
 
  According to the reading by the Copyright Council of Australia (who are
 the
  most conservative in these matters) the rules are that the image is PD if
  the photographer *died* before 1955 - not whether the photograph was
  *published* before 1955. So, in the case of Anon photographers this gets
  even trickier.
  http://www.copyright.org.au/information/introduction/intro-5.htm

 Photos are a special case. Prior to the FTA changes, the rule was 50
 years after the photo was *taken*. Any photo taken in Australia before
 1 Jan 1955 is in the public domain in Australia.

 After the FTA changes, the rule became life of the author plus 70,
 just like for other types of works. This applies to any photo taken
 after 1 Jan 2005, or any photo still in copyright as at 1 Jan 2005.

 That's only Australian copyright though, things can be under copyright
 still in the US even if they are out of copyright elsewhere, thanks to
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[Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Challenge

[Gnangarra]

During the last few months Wikimedia Australia has been organising
GLAMhttp://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/GLAMwe want everybody to be apart
of this event, we know not everyone can attend
in person so we have organised the
GLAM-Challengehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge

Its not just an ordinary challenge we have kindly recieved from some of the
participating institutions a number of items which will be given away as
prizes for your efforts, prefernece will be given to efforts that produce
something to further the knowledge of Australian subjects or have an
association to one of the GLAM institutions in any Wikimedia project
http://wikimedia.org/

What do you need to do to be apart of this between now and the 13th July you
need to sign up as an
entranthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Australia/GLAM_challenge#Entrants.
Create a subpage from your user account on meta identifiing your theme list
all your edits on your theme between the 13th July and 23:59UTC on the 19th
July, by 23:59utc on the 20th, judging will start after that date. The
recipients will be contacted directly by email, with prizes announced by the
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] relavent to GLAM

[Gnangarra]

Opening communication between the Australian Institutions and wiki world is
what GLAM is for, at the extreme if such an issue was to arise with an
Australian Institution we would be able to resolve the concerns without
legal threats.  GLAM is about us working together and understand each others
needs and rights so that such an issue should never arise, to encourage this
we also need more Wiki people to attend, thanks to some sponsors Wikimedia
Australia has just announced an offer bursaries to assist people in
attending.

GLAM isnt a soapbox in the middle of Hyde Park for people to preach US law
to UK institutions and such soapboxing while occassionally necessary it isnt
productive when everybody is there to better understand each others needs.
I'd also note the many UK Institutions have always maintained that the US
Bridgeman v. Corel decision isnt reasonable and that if one wishes to see
these works they should do so at the institution that owns them. Also if one
wishes to display them outside the institution given the expenses involve in
obtaining and preserving these works they should have the right to some form
of compensation.

2009/7/11 private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com

 well just for the record, I hope we can do better than referring to an
 action clearly intended (however misguided) to protect the work of a
 rather venerable cultural institution as 'batshit insane' :-) - I
 rather think it runs the risk of making us seem a bit radical and
 unfriendly - not my perception of what GLAM is all about.

 This bit though So the thing is really: how to convince museums and
 galleries to open
 up, use us for free publicity and spreading their good name  -
 absolutely spot on... :-)

 now play nice.

 best,

 Peter,
 PM.

 On 7/11/09, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
  On 11/07/2009, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  This is rather important + serious stuff which relates to the 'GLAM'
  sector
  - hopefully we'll be leading the way in ensuring good communication may
  help
  resolve problems like this;
  (basically a Commons user has received a legal letter relating to
 uploads
  of
  photographs of gallery items)
  http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Dcoetzee/NPG_legal_threat,
 
 
  It doesn't help that the NPG's actions (a UK org threatening a US
  citizen with legal action over actions that are unambiguously not a
  copyright violation of any sort in US law) are, how do I put this,
  FRANKLY INSANE.
 
  I made a quick summary blog post:
  http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2009/07/11/sue-and-be-damned/
 
  Note that another notable UK museum, the VA, took the opposite tack:
  open their collections, spread their name and pictures of their
  exhibits, reap the publicity. (The VA is fantastic, and no photo can
  substitute for seeing the stuff in real life.)
 
  So the thing is really: how to convince museums and galleries to open
  up, use us for free publicity and spreading their good name ... and
  not act batshit insane like the NPG appears to be.
 
 
  - d.
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia, judges and strippers

[Gnangarra]

very close to wikinews article though, especially given the recent ABC
interviews Liam has done

2009/8/3 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net

  You beat me by mere seconds.  Probably not enough for an enwiki article
 yet, but hopefully just the first of many!



 Cheers,

 Craig



 *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
 wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Liam Wyatt
 *Sent:* Monday, 3 August 2009 8:56 PM
 *To:* Wikimedia-au
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia, judges and strippers



 Well, I'm not sure actually what that article means!
 But, here's an even better link:

 The first article in the press about GLAM-WIKI :-D
 http://www.itwire.com/content/view/26683/1231/

 It's not only long and positive, it's also factually correct!

 -Liam [[witty lama]]

 On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net wrote:

 Well, I have to admit, this is probably the most attention-grabbing subject
 line yet posted to this mailing list! =)



 *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
 wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Coates
 *Sent:* Monday, 3 August 2009 2:35 PM
 *To:* wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia, judges and strippers



 In case people haven't seen it - discussion on references to Wikmedia sites
 by judges - including one all about strippers.



 http://www.dbs.id.au/blog/law/lap-dance-wikipedia.html



 Jessica Coates

 Project Manager

 Creative Commons Clinic

 Queensland University of Technology



 ph: 07 3138 8301

 fax: 07 3138 9395

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[Wikimediaau-l] GLAM Photographs

[Gnangarra]

Photographs from wednesday night and the first day of GLAM-Wiki have been
posted to Commons, they can all be found in the category:GLAM Wiki 09
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GLAM_Wiki_09Anyone else who
took photos can you please include them in this category

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[Wikimediaau-l] results - Glam challenge

[Gnangarra]

Hi everybody

The Glam Challeng finished  earlier this month now that I have been able to
contact the winners I'd like to congratulate User:Yellow Monkey and User:The
Ed17 they are both eagerly watching for the postman for the wonderful
donations from The Australian War Memorial, The National Gallery of
Australia and The Powerhouse Museum.

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[Wikimediaau-l] Perth Meetup

[Gnangarra]

Hi all

I started a discussion to arrange a meetup in Perth if your *interested join
the discussion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Meetup/Perth/6*or
if your going to be over this way at another time email me I'll see
what
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] The A E Bert Roberts photograph collection

[Gnangarra]

the file http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hearse-r.jpg has been added
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearse#History there are some really
interesting image in the ones already uploaded thanks for your efforts Craig



2009/11/6 Craig Franklin cr...@halo-17.net

  Hi All,



 I’m pleased to announce that based on some contacts that I made at the
 GLAM-WIKI conference back in August, and some onsite work that the Brisbane
 Wikimedia community has been doing at the Queensland Museum (QM), the Museum
 has commenced uploading digitized images from their “A E (Bert) Roberts”
 photograph collection to Commons.  Bert Roberts was a coachbuilder from
 Ipswich in the early 1900s , but also enjoyed photography and took
 photographs of a wide variety of subjects, chiefly scenes of everyday life
 in Queensland from the time.  While not famous for his photography during
 his lifetime, after his death his collection of images came to be recognised
 as providing a unique view into the society of the time.  His photographs
 are the subject of a Queensland Museum exhibition, which chiefly resides at
 their Toowoomba campus (the Cobb  Co Museum), but which presently has
 travelled to Ipswich for a limited time.



 So far, 21 images have been uploaded to Commons, but there are over a
 thousand glass plate negatives in total that the Museum has.  You can see
 what’s been uploaded so far here:




 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:A_E_%22Bert%22_Roberts_plate_glass_photo_collection



 My request to all of you, basically, is to:



 · Categorise, enhance, and basically edit the file pages as much
 as possible.

 · Look for appropriate pages on Wikipedia and other places where
 this content can be used, and use it.

 · Spread the word that GLAM institutions are seeing the benefits
 of making their collections available through Commons and other free media
 repositories!

 · Watch out and make sure the pages aren’t vandalised, and any
 problems that crop up are dealt with quickly so that QM can concentrate on
 providing us with free content, and not learning arcane points of Wiki-law.



 Many of the original plate glass negatives held by the museum have not been
 digitised yet, but if there is anyone who would be interested in
 volunteering some of their time to learn how to do, and then actually **do
 ** the digitisation, there may be an opportunity to get in and do that.
 If you’re interested (and preferably have some “serious” photography
 experience), let me know and I’ll pass your details on.



 It’s my hope that this will be but the first of many successful
 collaborations between WMAU people and GLAM institutions throughout the
 country.  I already have a couple of other collaborations cooking away here
 in Queensland that will hopefully result in a win not only for the WM
 projects, but also open access to cultural and heritage material in
 general.



 If anyone has any questions regarding these particular images, please feel
 free to ask me!



 Cheers,

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] AGM report

[Gnangarra]

2009/12/1 Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org

 On 2009-Nov-30 10:42:49 +1100, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 that here in Sydney, we're shooting for one more mini-meetup before
 christmas,

 I think this might be being hopeful.

  it would be great to get as many folk along as possible, and on a
 related note, I've just created http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetups to
 see
 if a centralised meetup area on the 'official' wiki might help - please do
 add info. from other states as appropriate :-)

 IMHO, the major downside of moving the local meetups page to the
 WM-AU server is that only WM-AU members have editing rights.  This
 means that people who aren't members, for whatever reason, aren't
 able to comment.  My feeling is that this will discourage people.


Having a meetup page for WM-au organised events is fine but it should not be
seen or promoted as a replacement to/of Wikipedia meetups organised by local
editors





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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] official wiki

[Gnangarra]

2009/12/12 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com

 Peter (Halasz), um... your last post is probably not helpful. I happen to
 agree with you that it is a good idea to make the chapter Wiki more open to
 editing. However, this is a discussion about the
 validity/importance/appropriateness of doing so and making inflammatory
 statements risks you falling foul of 'godwins law' and, by corollary, losing
 automatically. :-)

 This discussion here has heard from people who are members, elected
 committee and lapsed members, but I think we've yet to hear from anyone who
 is not a member as to whether they would be more willing to be involved with
 chapter activities. I would like to point to the UK chapter's water
 cooler http://uk.wikimedia.org/wiki/Water_cooler as an example of the
 kind of active conversations that I think the Chapter should be hosting on
 our Billabong http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Billabong - which is where
 this whole discussion started from. I note with interest that they recently
 had a discussion on that page about whether their wiki should allow IP
 editing or not.

 Could any non-members who are following this discussion please pipe up, as,
 all current discussants are members and by definition are already allowed to
 edit and therefore any change wouldn't affect them very much.



Umm I'm a non-member, well past member who is no longer financial and
believe my editing status has been changed





 In any case, I have added to the agenda of the forthcoming committee
 meeting an item about whether we should change editing rights.

 -Liam [[witty lama]]



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 On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Angela bees...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm not sure why there's an assumption that edits by members are
 trustworthy (and edits by others are not). Since anyone can become a
 member, it's not reasonable to expect none of them will ever do
 anything bad on the wiki. And you're going to have a problem blocking
 them from the wiki if editing that is supposed to be something that
 they've been promised in return for their membership fee - do you want
 to have to give back their money if you find you need to block them? A
 better option might be to protect important pages and be quick to
 block problem users.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] New roles - Creative Commons National Museum

[Gnangarra]

HI Liam

Congratulations

Cheers
Gideon

On 6 February 2012 13:19, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 crossposting to the Australia lists  cultural partners list,

 I'd just like to send a quick message to you all to tell you what I'm up
 to, now that my GLAM Fellowship with the WMF is over. I would not
 normally feel the need to interrupt everyone by detailing what my
 employment is, but it is quite relevant to Wikimedia  GLAM so I think I
 should explain briefly. I apologise in advance for the self-focused post!
 If you're interested in more details, or can help by giving me
 tips/contacts, please reply offlist.

 From last week, I have taken a part time role with the Australian Research
 Council funded Centre for Creative Industries and Innovation
 http://cci.edu.au/ which is also the office of Creative Commons Australia
 (and sponsored the first ever GLAM-WIKI conference in 2009). My role will
 be to assist Australian cultural organisations to get more of their
 archives online using Creative Commons (especially under cc-0 and cc-by).
 [By definition I will therefore NOT be focusing on getting access to
 already Public Domain content, but this might happen as a flow-on effect in
 some cases]. This is not an advocacy role but a practical hand holding
 role. Not all of this work will be relevant to Wikimedia projects, but
 hopefully I'll be able to report frequently in This Month in GLAM on new
 content available for Wikimedians to use. I have several leads and contacts
 already, but if you know any Australian cultural organisations that are
 interested in using CC, please consider passing their details to me offlist
 so I can help facilitate.

 Relatedly, also last week, I have accepted the six-month role of 2012
 Directors Fellowship at the National Museum of Australia. They have asked
 me to develop a comprehensive Wikimedia strategy for the organisation
 which includes staff training, executive briefing, situation report (e.g.
 what other museums are doing, and how their content is already being used)
 and a three year plan. Once this project is finished and the situation
 report  plan is formally accepted I will also put it on Commons in case
 others find it useful. Unsurprisingly, I will probably be recommending they
 run backstage pass tours and editathon events - so look out for that
 too :-)

 Sincerely,
 -Liam / wittylama
 p.s. I'm also doing a Masters in IP law this year - because the world
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Stakeholder meeting to coordinate response re proposed football codes' amendment to Copyright Act

[Gnangarra]

I would think if the chapter has someone who can attend officially it'd be
good place to have a voice especially as this is one the things IMHO the
chapter should be recognised as a stakeholder



On 17 February 2012 19:57, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Anyone interested in going to this (Sydney, Tuesday 10-12:30)?
 This was sent to me (and presumably everyone else on their database) by
 the Australian Digital Alliance - who are worried about the government
 making kneejerk amendments to copyright law that will hider internet
 innovation, as a result of this:

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-01/optus-wins-landmark-sports-broadcast-case/3805976

 http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-02-10/afl-appeals-optus-copyright-ruling/3823430
 I'll be going along, but just in case anyone else wishes to attend. Please
 reply to them directly if you want to go (and tell me so we can meet up) :-)

 -Liam

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 From: *Ellen Broad*
 Date: Friday, 17 February 2012
 Subject: Stakeholder meeting to coordinate response re proposed football
 codes' amendment to Copyright Act



  Dear Liam,

 Two weeks ago, the Federal Court ruled that time shifting provisions in
 the Copyright Act covered consumers using a cloud based personal video
 recording service. The service in question before the Federal Court was
 Optus’ TV Now Service, which allows Optus customers to use all kinds of
 devices (tablets, smartphones, notebooks and computers) to record broadcast
 television “in the cloud” and play it back within a particular time frame.
 

   

 By now, you have probably seen the recent media reports that the
 government is considering urgent amendments to the Copyright Act to respond
 to sporting bodies' concerns about the Federal Court’s decision.

 The Australian Digital Alliance and many other stakeholders have serious
 concerns that any hasty government action in response to the decision could
 have significant negative implications for *innovative services, cloud
 computing* and perhaps most importantly, *consumer rights *to use
 copyright exceptions to the full extent intended by Parliament. 

 ** **

  Any watering down of the Federal Court's decision will likely
 significantly restrict the ability of consumers to use innovative
 technologies to consume legal content in the time and manner of their
 choosing.   Without great care, any amendments could also have serious
 consequences for education, library and cultural institutions whose
 students and users exercise rights under the Copyright Act such as fair
 dealing.

 We understand that a proposed amendment to the Copyright Act to alleviate
 the concerns of the football codes is imminent.

 ** **

  The ADA would like to invite you to a meeting to share information and
 concerns about any amendments to overturn the Court's decision, and to
 coordinate a strategic response to government to express the widest
 possible range of user concerns about any hasty legislative change.

 Given the urgency of the need to coordinate a response to government, the
 meeting will be held this *Tuesday 21 February* from 10am – 12:30pm in
 Sydney. The venue will be confirmed later today.

 I’d appreciate it if you could let me know if you’re able to attend as
 soon as possible. I apologise for the short notice, but understand that it
 may be critical to raise stakeholder concerns with government as a matter
 of urgency.

 Kind regards,

 ** **

 Ellen Broad

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] W2G: Western Australian picture opportunity

[Gnangarra]

thx JJ, I've already contacted Laura to let her know I'm interested doing
this

On 22 February 2012 18:14, JJ Harrison noodle_sna...@yahoo.com.au wrote:

 Hi,


 Gnangarra (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Gnangarra) was active
 recently on Commons. He might be your best bet in the absence of anyone
 else that way.


 

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 0458193912

 62492352

 noodle_sna...@yahoo.com.au

 ** **

 ** **

 ** **

 *From:* Laura Hale [mailto:la...@fanhistory.com]
 *Sent:* Tuesday, 21 February 2012 9:37 PM
 *To:* memb...@wikimedia.org.au; Wikimedia-au
 *Cc:* gnanga...@gmail.com
 *Subject:* [wmau:members] W2G: Western Australian picture opportunity

 ** **

 Hi,

 ** **

 I was at the Australia women's national water polo team test match against
 Great Britain this evening.  (We won! Yay!)  I got an opportunity to talk
 to one of the Paralympic swimming coaches based at the Australian Institute
 of Sport.  He was talking about how there are three Western Australian
 swimmers probably going to the Paralympics.  One is a sixteen year old who
 he believes will probably medal in London, and go on to compete in at least
 the next two Paralympics she is that good.

 ** **

 He said we should be able to easily set it up so a Wikimedian can attend a
 swimming practice, and take pictures of these future Paralympians who will
 be probably be going to London.  Based on our conversation, I think there
 is also probably an opportunity to interview the sixteen year old for
 Wikinews to get the Wikinews component done.  (
 http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Wikinews:Interview_highlights example
 interviews on Wikinews.)  

 ** **

 If you're in Western Australia and might be interested in taking pictures,
 please get in touch.  As this is not around an event, should be a great
 deal more flexibility in time.  I'm not certain of what pool they train in,
 and can find that if some one is seriously interested. :)

 ** **

 Sincerely,

 Laura Hale
 

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[Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Takes Perth Foreshore

[Gnangarra]

HI Everybody

As some of know from the IRC meeting on Sunday we are oganising a WikiTake
Perth 
Foreshorehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Perth_Foreshoreon
the 18th March everyone is welcome if you have friends in the Perth
area
encourage them to come along I have create a Facebook
eventhttp://www.facebook.com/events/407397945943813/for the day
please share that with your friend lists

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[Wikimediaau-l] Wikipedia Takes Perth Foreshore

[Gnangarra]

HI Everybody

As some of know from the IRC meeting on Sunday we are oganising a WikiTake
Perth 
Foreshorehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Perth_Foreshoreon
the 18th March everyone is welcome if you have friends in the Perth
area
encourage them to come along I have create a Facebook
eventhttp://www.facebook.com/events/407397945943813/for the day
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Need a photographer in Canberra for Saturday

[Gnangarra]

I could,  looking at flights the earliest I could be there is 930am on the
saturday

On 21 March 2012 07:25, Laura Hale la...@fanhistory.com wrote:

 Hey,

 I've got permission to take team photographs like I did with the women's
 water polo team for the women's national softball team.  I've got all the
 articles for the current roster prepped to take to DYK once I move them to
 the main name space.  I've written two and a half Wikinews articles about
 games leading up to their test series against Japan at
 http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Japanese_national_team_beats_ACT_softball_team,
 http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Japanese_national_team_decisively_beats_ACT_10-0_in_four_innings,
  and
 http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Adam_Folkard_and_Nick_Norton_ready_for_more_men%27s_softball
 .

 If anyone who is a good photographer with a good camera can be in Canberra
 for Saturday to help me take pictures, that would be fantastic.  The help
 is appreciated. :) I can take pictures myself if push comes to shove  but
 I'd prefer some one with a bit more experience. :)  The pictures I've taken
 can be found at
 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Hawker_International_Softball_Centreand
  yeah.

 If there are any photographers with experience taking pictures and
 uploading to commons, the help is appreciated. :)

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[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Wiki Loves Monuments] State of the Monuments - March 2012

[Gnangarra]

In case anyone hasnt seen doent know,


-- Forwarded message --
From: Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com
Date: 26 March 2012 01:55
Subject: [Commons-l] Fwd: [Wiki Loves Monuments] State of the Monuments -
March 2012
To: Wikimedia Commons common...@lists.wikimedia.org
Cc: WM cultural partners coordination cultural-partn...@wikimedia.ch


If you love monuments, love friends/relatives/wikis who love
monuments, or are just curious: join the Wiki Loves Monuments  mailing
list and maybe even get involved with this year's celebration and
contest.

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikilovesmonuments
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Timeline

SJ

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Hi all,

just forwarding this once - don't worry, won't do it again. But just
to let you know what you're missing out on if you're not on the Wiki
Loves Monuments mailinglist! You can subscribe through the link at the
bottom.

Best,
Lodewijk

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Data: 20 de Março de 2012 18:56
Assunto: [Wiki Loves Monuments] State of the Monuments - March 2012
Para: Wiki Loves Monuments wikilovesmonume...@lists.wikimedia.org


Hi all,
as promised, here is our first monthly overview of the State of the
Monuments!

We have been working on the project for some time already, and here is a
small report on where we are and what is going on behind the scenes.
Please note that this might not be a complete overview -- if you have
any questions, don't hesitate to ask. And please see at the bottom of
this e-mail for some action points for all countries (and make our lives
easier)!

== International coordination team ==
This year, there's a team of (still) four people who are trying to
facilitate WLM internationally. Elke and Tomasz will join Lodewijk and
Maarten in trying to keep the troops together, and help the countries
share information and experiences and coordinate their work as
effectively as possible. All four have experience with organising Wiki
Loves Monuments at least for one year.

As Wiki Loves Monuments is growing each day, and there are some things
that even the most skilled volunteers cannot do (due to the lack of
time, willingness or motivation), during our meeting in Amsterdam in
December, we brought up the idea of a paid employee to help us organise
WLM 2012. This person will primarily help us to keep tasks timely and on
track.

We are now happy to announce that Wikimedia Deutschland have agreed to
host and fund an employee to help us facilitate the contest, and we will
be meeting with him/her very soon. More information on this will follow
in a fortnight, so please bear with us; and for now -- vielen Dank,
Wikimedia Deutschland!

Furthermore, we are still looking for a volunteer to join the
coordination team, and help take care of the international budget for
this year. Wiki Loves Monuments is fun, but the bigger it gets, the more
money we need -- and This Is Serious Business (unlike the meme). So, if
you'd like to take care of our budget, or you know a talented and
responsible person who has some experience with budget and finances (for
instance, your local Wikimedia treasurer), please contact any of us
off-the-list. A helping hand would be greatly appreciated!

== Countries ==
So far, over 25 countries indicated that they will participate, and 15
more have indicated interest in participating (see

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Participating_countries
).
Several more countries have privately shown interest, so things are
definitely going in the right direction!

From the international side, we are trying to help all new participating
countries set up the contest in their country as efficiently as
possible. Besides the obvious on-line help (like setting up mailing list
or OTRS queues), we can help you by giving real life workshops: Lodewijk
has already given a
successful workshop in the United Kingdom, and Tomasz will be travelling
to Ukraine and the Czech Republic this very weekend; Italy is to follow
soon. If you feel that a brainstorming meeting in your country with one
of us present would be helpful to sort some things out, please let us
know, and we'll try to help. We have some budget available to
accommodate in case your chapter has no funds.

Recently, we have also redesigned our progress page
(
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2012/Progress
)
to suit the needs of so many countries, and would like you to update the
status of the preparations in your area. Keeping that page up-to-date
would ensure that we can always keep track of the goings-on in all
countries, and also give you some help when needed.

== Documentation ==
The lack of proper documentation was identified as one of main problems
of the previous edition of the contest. This year, we have started
working on the documentation from the very beginning (with Tomasz 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Open WMAU discussion on IRC, Sunday 1st July - today at 17:00 hours (AEST)

[Gnangarra]

will try but 1500(wst) is a pain, whats on the agenda for today,?

On 1 July 2012 10:00, Ms. Anne Frazer fraz...@bigpond.com wrote:

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  Hello one and all,
 Wikimedia Australia's monthly public meeting is again on IRC channel
 today, Sunday 1st July, and will be commencing around 17:00 hours (AEST);
 5pm.

 Please come along and with the Committee participate in the conversation.
 The Chapter's IRC channel is 'Wikimedia-au' via the following link:
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/IRC

 Just a reminder that the transcript of the discussion will be posted on
 the Wikimedia Australia website via the following link:
 http://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meetings

 *and a gentle reminder to WMAU members reading this notice  have
 you taken a moment to renew your membership? as membership renewals can be
 paid now*

 Thank you,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Expression of support for Dictionary of Sydney from Wikimedia Australia

[Gnangarra]

Congratulations to Dictionary of Sydney 20 minutes ago they posted on
facebook https://www.facebook.com/dictionaryofsydney that they have
secured continued funding from the City of Sydney Council

On 29 July 2012 11:26, John Vandenberg presid...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:

 Dear City of Sydney CEO Monica Barone,

 On behalf of Wikimedia Australia, I write to express our concern about
 the imminent closure of the Dictionary of Sydney due to the City of
 Sydney's delays in releasing sponsorship funds.

 Wikimedia Australia is an independent, not-for-profit organisation,
 officially recognised as a national Chapter of the Wikimedia movement
 - the volunteer community behind Wikipedia and other online
 educational resources. We would like to express our support for the
 Dictionary of Sydney project not only for the quality content that it
 has produced but also for the globally pioneering role it has played
 in its use of free-licensing. The Dictionary of Sydney provides the
 vast majority of its content with a Creative Commons copyright
 license that ensures the material can be used by third parties under
 very open terms. This is considered world's best practice and is
 consistent with the principles espoused by the Open Educational
 Resources and Open Source Software communities globally. It should
 be noted that the official State history project of Minnesota in the
 USA, entitled MNOpedia http://www.mnopedia.org/ has used the
 Dictionary of Sydney as the inspiration for their comparable copyright
 policy.

 The strong stance of the Dictionary of Sydney on open access and
 collaboration with historians both locally and further afield has
 ensured that the content it has created is both legally and
 practically compatible with Wikipedia, the world's fifth most visited
 website. As a result, many of the Dictionary's articles about
 important people, places and events have been integrated into
 Wikipedia, including but not limited to:

 Florence Violet McKenzie
 (Australia's first female electrical engineer:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florence_Violet_McKenzie )

 Glebe Island
 (a crucial part of Sydney's economy for centuries:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glebe_Island_%28New_South_Wales%29 )

 Sydney Artists' Camps
 (one of the most significant art movements in Australia's history:
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_artists%27_camps )

 We draw your attention to the comprehensive acknowledgement of the
 Dictionary of Sydney at the bottom of each Wikipedia article that uses
 Dictionary material as the source of its content. Without the
 Dictionary of Sydney, and without its pioneering efforts in open
 access, this content simply would not have been available to the
 online encyclopaedia and its wider audience. It would be a great shame
 to see this outstanding collaborative digital history project fold.

 Wikimedia Australia urges the City of Sydney to ensure the continued
 funding and support for this project, without which the global
 appreciation of Sydney's history would be very much poorer.

 If you would like to contact Wikimedia Australia or one of our Sydney
 based members for further information on this or related matters we
 would welcome your enquiry.

 Sincerely,
 John Vandenberg
 President,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Request for media contact - Sydney Wikipedian

[Gnangarra]

saw it earlier but as I'm not in Sydney I suggested he contact WMAU

On 30 July 2012 18:12, Robert Myers bid...@me.com wrote:

  Noticed it as well. Not in Sydney and well Not that talkative.
 Ruled me out. ;)


 On 30/07/2012 8:05 PM, Charles Gregory wrote:

 Sorry - didn't realised this bounced earlier due to me sending from the
 wrong address!


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 Subject: Request for media contact - Sydney Wikipedian

 Hi everyone,

 I noticed this pop up on twitter this morning:

 https://twitter.com/matthewbevan/status/229763424983343104

 Is anyone interested?

 Regards,

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[Wikimediaau-l] Foundation Blog post

[Gnangarra]

Foundation blog post about an Australian Wikimedian with a Wikimedia
Commons/Photographic theme
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/12/14/the-impact-of-wikipedia-gideon-digby/

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[Wikimediaau-l] Freopedia

[Gnangarra]

HI Everybody

Freopedia has been progressing slowly along over the summer months, for
those havent yet heard of
Freopediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Freopediaits a
project supported by the Fremantle Society, Wikimedia Australia, The
Wikimedia Foundation and City of Fremantle to QR code places of interest
within the Fremantle area.  We are now at the point of selecting articles
for the first round of QR coded plaques to be created. We need help from
Wikipedians to review the selected articles checking them against policies
most importantly naming conventions once the plaques are created we'd
prefer not to have articles renamed, merged or deleted. Also can you add
these articles to your watchlists for the obvious reasons

the selected articles are wiki-linked at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Freopedia/Articles

if you have any comments about articles please leave them on the talk page
of the article, if you have general questions about Freopedia please email
me.

Thanks
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Wikimedia Australia public meeting

[Gnangarra]

WA 2pm on a sunday afternoon in the middle of a long weekend, not really
practical. Hopefully once Vic, NSW SA and TAS go off daylight saving the
committee will hold one of these at say 6pm wst, 8pm est.

On 3 March 2013 20:52, Chris Watkins chriswater...@appropedia.org wrote:


 On 3 March 2013 14:46, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Could there be more notice? And an agenda topic or two might attract more
 members into participating. Items don't have to be billed as occupying the
 meeting exclusively.


 Agreed - I appreciate the work done by the organizers, but I reckon more
 notice and topics would get more of us to join in.

 I have the meetings as a recurring event in my calendar, but something
 always distracts me... if I knew what was going to be discussed, I'm sure
 I'd be more likely to remember to actually log on.




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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Australian Wikipedian in Residence

[Gnangarra]

great news,

On 22 March 2013 15:31, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 As someone who has been working with Whiteghost.ink in the GLAM space in
 Sydney, with the SLNSW specifically, and in a wide variety of other
 ways for many years, I am extremely happy and proud of this announcement!
 In a way it is the payoff from having the first ever GLAM-Wiki conference
 in Canberra back in 2009 (that's my claim at least!)

 I'm not forgetting the great work with WiR that has happened in other
 libraries around the world, significant ongoing collaboration projects with
 other libraries in Australia, and Wikimedia Australia's ongoin
 relationship with the Paralympic commission (including the associated WiR
 there). However, being a Sydneysider whose first love is History means
 that I have a strong affinity for the Library, its collections and its
 cultural status. So, it is fantastic that across the whole country it
 should be the first GLAM to have a Wikipedian-in-Residence in the country!

 Congratulations :-)

 Liam / Wittylama

 On Friday, 22 March 2013, G. White wrote:

 Dear Australian Wikimedian and Cultural Partnerships teams,

 I'm extremely pleased to announce that this week I started as
 Wikipedian-in-Residence at the State Library of New South Wales 
 (SLNSWhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales),
 which is our oldest library and has a collection of global importance,
 including significant rare books, manuscripts and objects. It is a place to
 which almost every Australian scholar would pay homage. This is the first
 time there has been a Wikipedian-in-Residence in an Australian cultural
 institution and it has it has taken some time to work through the
 administrative processes to establish the position. As some of you know,
 Wikimedia Australia has been doing a lot of work with libraries locally.
 Most recently we were the major sponsors at the annual librarians
 conference and over the last couple of years we have been travelling to
 regional areas to deliver training to the local librarians (in partnership
 with several of the State Libraries). SLNSW also has a partnership with the
 National Library in Canberra, which is digitising Australian newspapers and
 linking the records back to the respective Wikipedia articles 
 (examplehttp://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/title/35).
 Most significantly is that the SLNSW has been been building up a strong
 relationship with us recently and myself and other local Wikimedians have
 been delivered several training workshops to an in-house team of
 librarians who are contributing references and content to Wikipedia as part
 of their day-to-day work (project 
 pagehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/SLNSW).
 You can see there that a lot of the content we've been targeting for the
 team to write is the articles about the newspapers that have now been
 digitised.

 My WiR position reports to the Leader of the library's Innovation Project
 (Mylee Joseph, cc'd here), who is the instigator of that team. Since my
 term as WiR is for one day a week over 14 weeks, and the scope of work is
 excitingly ambitious, it is this team that will make it possible to achieve
 what one part time Resident could not. They are a keen and capable group.
 The Residency has been established to provide training, coaching, guidance,
 specialist advice to staff, evaluation of related projects as well as
 assistance with process mapping and benchmarking so that other Australian
 libraries can benefit from SLNSW's experience. In terms of content, as well
 as the newspapers, my Residency is likely to be involved in work on
 articles on the The 100 Objects 
 Exhibitionhttp://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/events/exhibitions/2010/onehundred/100-objects/,
 indigenous and original materials, convict women, convict artists, the
 crossing of the Blue 
 Mountainshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Blaxland#Blue_Mountains_expeditionand
  Australia's involvement in World War I.

 I am glad this group has paved the way and am very excited about the
 possibilities before us! I will post updates here and in the This Month in
 GLAM report. I will also probably come here to ask questions and seek
 feedback and help. I hope that the process mapping and benchmarking would
 also be useful to similar projects elsewhere.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download

[Gnangarra]

be interesting discussion as to whether WMAu could get someone create a bot
to download/publish the full database to Wikisource since its all CC and
have the bot update the population data on Wikidata...

If anything WMAU could even approach the ABS and consider someway of
hosting the highuse information on Wikisource and thus reduce some of the
ABS costs in maintaining the public interface

On 26 April 2013 19:28, Nick Dowling nick_dowl...@hotmail.com wrote:

 It would be worth considering whether the ABS is actually funded to
 provide the IT infrastructure and staff time needed to set up and maintain
 arrangements to allow people to download the entire Census dataset (which I
 suspect would be a fairly unusual requirement). In my experience ABS staff
 are pretty keen to have people use their data - the problem is that they're
 permanently short of money for non-essential tasks and need to cover at
 least some of their costs for non-core business as they're not funded for
 it.

 Regards,
 Nick

  From: p858sn...@gmail.com
  Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 20:34:17 +1000
  To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: [---] Australian Census Data Released
 Under CC License, But Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download

 
  From a private list I'm on, Thought some of you guys may be interested
 
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  From: MW ---@gmail.com
  Date: Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:05 PM
  Subject: [---] Australian Census Data Released Under CC License, But
  Official Site Tries To Make It Hard To Download
  To: --- ---
 
 
 
 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130421/02575922789/australian-census-data-released-under-cc-license-official-site-tries-to-make-it-hard-to-download.shtml
  
   by Glyn Moody
  
   Mon, Apr 22nd 2013 8:09pm
  
   The whole point about adopting Creative Commons licenses is to make it
 easier for people to share and use works released under them. Sometimes,
 though, you get the impression that certain organizations adopting these
 licenses would rather that didn't happen, as in the following case from
 Australia, reported by IT News:
  
   The Australian Bureau of Statistics has released the latest census
 data for free under a Creative Commons license but appears to be steering
 people towards a $250 mailed out DVD rather than making it easy to download
 the information directly over the internet.
  
   Programmer and freelance journalist Grahame Bowland who first noticed
 it, said the government agency is going to great lengths to discourage
 people from downloading the files directly by dint of a convoluted site
 layout and Javascript functions that obfuscate file paths.
  
   The post then goes on to describe in detail some of the attempts to
 make it difficult to download all of the census data, including a
 hard-to-find registration page, a complex matrix of download options, and
 Javascript code that does stuff like this:
  
   // Function: guidGenerator
  
  
   // Description:returns a pseudo-random GUID
  
  
   //This is appended to a url for 2 reasons
  
  
   //1. to make the URL unique, so that the browser always gets it and
 doesn't use a cached version
  
  
   //2. to make a URL look like its got a unique key, in a naive attempt
 to fool a not-so-wily hacker
  
  
   //into thinking they can't download a datapack directly if they know
 the URL pattern, because they
  
  
   //need a unique key.
  
   Notice how anyone who might want to download datapacks directly is
 branded a hacker. That's a worrying attitude, since it seems to equate
 people who want to take advantage of the CC license to explore the census
 without jumping through the site's hoops as shady subversives (I doubt the
 comment used the term hacker in its more positive sense).
  
   As the IT News story suggests, the motivation for this obfuscation
 seems to be to encourage people to pay AU $250 (about US $257) for the DVD
 version instead. To save others from having to deal with the unhelpful Web
 site, Bowland generously stumped up the $250 himself, and made the full
 census database freely available as a torrent, as is perfectly legal under
 the CC-BY license. This shows perfectly why it is pointless trying to make
 it hard for people to download content that is CC licensed: once anyone has
 obtained a copy, they can then make it available in a more convenient form,
 neatly by-passing forlorn attempts to control something that has been set
 free forever.
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Full-time Wikipedian-in-Residence at National Library of Scotland

[Gnangarra]

They have already interviewed, a wikimedian from WA was in Edinburgh last
week being interviewed

On 21 June 2013 06:27, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 ** **

 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-22264118

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 This is in collaboration with Wikimedia UK.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday

[Gnangarra]

If that happens again note that there is a tab *edit source* that gives you
the normal editing screen

gideon.

On 27 June 2013 13:41, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  If anyone would like to help our newest editors and their nascent
 articles, please see the list here:

 ** **


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_of_Queensland#Southport
 

 ** **

 Unfortunately, these new editors did not have a good experience of
 Wikipedia in the training session as many functions appeared not to work
 correctly, the user interface was all messed up, etc. It turned out that it
 had been decided to run A/B testing of the new Visual Editor on 50% of
 newly registered users, meaning that (unbeknownst to all present) quite a
 number of the class were probably not using the same editor as used in the
 preparation of the presentation and the printed manuals prepared by State
 Library of Queensland. It was a bewildering experience for us all,
 particularly as it appears that the Visual Editor does not have citation
 templates working yet. 

 ** **

 So, some friendly help with their articles and maybe some “Wiki Love”
 (that new heart button on the User page) might help to recover a rather
 disappointing experience for these new editors.

 ** **

 Thanks

 ** **

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] training session - Tuesday

[Gnangarra]

If they dont edit mainspace they are likely get the original editor, I've
been beta testing for a week and really arent all that impressed, some it
is to do with the me adjusting to using the Visual editor but its also
difficult to do more than just typing, creating tables, wikilinking is
cumbersome and feels like a backwards step, and I havent added images yet.
If you are doing workshops you really need to switch to the visual editor
just start getting a feel for it because they are committed to changing
over to it

Gideon

On 28 June 2013 05:44, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes, and I believe there is also a preferences setting in relation to
 the Visual Editor too (which probably allows you to turn it off). I believe
 there is also a preference to opt-out of any experimental feature testing
 more generally.

 ** **

 If I had known that the cause of the problem was the testing of the Visual
 Editor with half of the new user population, I probably may have thought of
 some solutions along these lines. But in the absence of any warning of such
 a thing happening, I just didn’t think of that possibility. Generally by
 the time the person put up their hand to say “it doesn’t work for me”, they
 were already in edit mode. It was only almost at the end of the workshop
 that I saw an “Edit” and an “Edit Source” tab side-by-side on someone’s
 screen and I realised that the VisualEditor must be involved (I was aware
 they had called for alpha testers, but obviously new editors would have
 been unlikely to have signed up for alpha testing). What made the situation
 quite confusing was that not all the class was affected  – in particular
 everything was working perfectly for a lady who had brought her own Mac
 laptop, which mislead me to suspect that the problem may have been related
 to some of library-supplied computers (they were very “locked-down” and
 only had Internet Explorer so I was suspecting it might be a “too old”
 version of IE or something like that).

 ** **

 But if anyone happens to be helping out a new user going forward, bear in
 mind there is probably a 50-50 chance that they are using the new Visual
 Editor as part of this trial (which I believe is ongoing – that is, more
 new editors are being added to the trial every day as they sign up). I
 wonder if they bothered to tell the TeaHouse about this? Also, if any of
 those new users goes searching for Help pages, will they be taken to Help
 pages for the Visual Editor or the regular ones? Do Help pages even exist
 for the Visual Editor yet? I don’t know what risk management strategies are
 in place, but my own experience suggests “probably not a lot”.

 ** **

 Kerry

 ** **

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 If that happens again note that there is a tab *edit source* that gives
 you the normal editing screen

 gideon.

 On 27 June 2013 13:41, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 If anyone would like to help our newest editors and their nascent
 articles, please see the list here:

  


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/State_Library_of_Queensland#Southport
 

  

 Unfortunately, these new editors did not have a good experience of
 Wikipedia in the training session as many functions appeared not to work
 correctly, the user interface was all messed up, etc. It turned out that it
 had been decided to run A/B testing of the new Visual Editor on 50% of
 newly registered users, meaning that (unbeknownst to all present) quite a
 number of the class were probably not using the same editor as used in the
 preparation of the presentation and the printed manuals prepared by State
 Library of Queensland. It was a bewildering experience for us all,
 particularly as it appears that the Visual Editor does not have citation
 templates working yet. 

  

 So, some friendly help with their articles and maybe some “Wiki Love”
 (that new heart button on the User page) might help to recover a rather
 disappointing experience for these new editors.

  

 Thanks

  

 Kerry

  

  




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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Changes effective July 1

[Gnangarra]

Great to hear about the charitable status, and the PL insurance
The main page layout is fine but it really needs some visual content

On 1 July 2013 13:22, Steve Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm pleased to announce some changes to Wikimedia Australia that has taken
 effect today.

 Over the past month, I have been working towards us becoming a registered
 charitable organisation, and this is effective as of today. This will make
 us automatically eligible for income tax exemption, and bring us in-line
 with other large chapters like WMUK which are registered charities. At this
 stage, donations to Wikimedia Australia are still not tax deductible but
 becoming a charitable organisation is a step in the process to becoming a
 deductible gift recipient.

 I have also been working on securing us public liability insurance cover
 which has also come into effect as of today.

 Our main page has also been given a facelift aTTnd an updated design. Let
 us know what you think.

 Please feel free to contact the committee or myself about the changes,

 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Changes effective July 1

[Gnangarra]

looks good with the banner, more reason for making panoramas, I think the
cycle should be more than monthly if it can be automated as there are many
great photosgraphs that should be show cased.

Wondering whether it would be possible for a feed page that that could be
linked to that shows recent Australian media additions to Commons and
then having that feed into the WMAU facebook page, a this months additions,
or this weeks additions...

Gideon

On 1 July 2013 13:51, Steve Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:

 The original design has an image at the top but we are having some
 technical issues with scaling of the image depending on screen size. Once
 this is fixed the main page should look a lot better. This is the original
 design:

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Australiaoldid=9979- 
 the image would change monthly.

 On Monday, July 1, 2013, Gnangarra wrote:

 Great to hear about the charitable status, and the PL insurance
 The main page layout is fine but it really needs some visual content

 On 1 July 2013 13:22, Steve Zhang steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:

 Hi all,

 I'm pleased to announce some changes to Wikimedia Australia that has
 taken effect today.

 Over the past month, I have been working towards us becoming a
 registered charitable organisation, and this is effective as of today. This
 will make us automatically eligible for income tax exemption, and bring us
 in-line with other large chapters like WMUK which are registered charities.
 At this stage, donations to Wikimedia Australia are still not tax
 deductible but becoming a charitable organisation is a step in the process
 to becoming a deductible gift recipient.

 I have also been working on securing us public liability insurance cover
 which has also come into effect as of today.

 Our main page has also been given a facelift aTTnd an updated design.
 Let us know what you think.

 Please feel free to contact the committee or myself about the changes,

 Regards,
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Warning: Visual Editor - turn it on and it seems you can't turn it off!

[Gnangarra]

VIsual editor was rolled out to soon, too many bugs not enough time to test
which is a common issue.

But all these issues and complaints are wasted if you just turn it off
because we need to accept the change and learn to work with it otherwise
how can we teach others to use it.

you do have the ability to choose edit source which is the wiki coding
anyway when your editing... its really not that much different to writing
an email on gmail

Gideon

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 On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 3:46 PM, K. Peachey p858sn...@gmail.com wrote:
  Can you file a bug about this bugzilla please? Where people that can
  actually work on it will see it?

 There are hundreds of bugzilla entries for Visual Editor.  I'm pretty
 sure all the basic problems have been logged already.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Reminder: Wikimedia Australia monthly open meeting

[Gnangarra]

Craig

the coolest projects thing, have you forgotten about your time in perth
already...

On 9 July 2013 18:11, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Hi All,

 The transcript for the meeting has been posted here:

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:Public_(2013-07-07)/Transcript

 Participation was again low this month.  Is the time on a Sunday afternoon
 no longer convenient for the majority of members, or was there simply no
 interest in the topics being discussed this time around?  We're very
 willing to experiment with different times and/or mediums if anyone would
 like to try anything a bit different.  I do notice that we had a great
 turnout when we did the meeting on a Sunday night back in April, would
 people like to try that again?

 Regards,
 Craig Franklin
 Wikimedia Australia




 On 6 July 2013 10:54, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Hi All,

 Just a quick reminder that the monthly Wikimedia Australia public meeting
 will be taking place tomorrow at 3pm AEST (2:30pm ACST, 1pm AWST) on IRC at
 #wikimedia-au.  This is your opportunity to quiz members of the
 management committee on issues relating to the chapter.

 It has been an eventful month, some suggested topics for discussion are:

- Wikimedia Australia's charity status being approved
- Upcoming annual plan and FDC applications
- Rule changes for the next AGM
- World War One editathon
- ...any other topic you'd like to discuss.

 As usual, if you have any specific questions for the committee members
 ahead of time, it would be appreciated if they could be provided to the
 relevant person ahead of time so that we can give you a proper answer on
 the day and not have to take it on notice.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan

[Gnangarra]

both wonderful ideas Leigh, the second is something thats been talked about
in WA as well, its also rather simple to setup though the big hurdles are
on the hosting side of things, theres too many endangered Indigenous
languages and stories that should be recorded. If you expand on that theme
we are currently working on WWI projects the one thing we cant reproduce
and present is the stories of those that were there but we still have time
to record stories from WWII, Korea, Vietnam... likewise places, towns,
communities in WA are all to quickly dropping off the map we could be out
recording those as well... This ties in with the WMF strategic plan key
points of;

   - Increase Participation
   - Increase Reach
   - Improve quality
   - Encourage inovation

There is the one over riding factor *Imagine a world in which every single
human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge *until we reach
these communities and have them participating we arent sharing the sum of
all knowledge, imagine that :(

On 19 July 2013 08:01, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thinking further, and I hope you're able to consider suggestions from
 non-members..


1. Start the Wikimedia Australia Journal for Education and Research
(WAJER) on Wikiversity. I volunteer to be a peer reviewer. It is a venue
for peer reviewing and publishing works developed in or about the Wikimedia
projects, and related fields. If, over time it achieves impact factor, and
it will by our own metrix, then we will lobby Excellence in Research
Australia to recognise it. When that happens, academics have no reason not
to engage.
2. Establish a restricted access MediaWiki for culturally vulnerable
and sensitive groups in Australia. I'm thinking primarily Indigenous
Australians, but also refugees and recent migrants, or minority groups that
are at risk of oppression and exploitation. The purpose of the closed wiki
is to offer a secure place to start and trial projects, for as long as they
need to deciding how and when their works can move to the main projects. In
my limited experience working with Indigenous Australians, this would
remove a significant obstacle for their engagement. John Vandenberg was
proposing something like this last year, and I had at least 2 large groups
in the NT wanting such a thing, and now another in Victoria.


 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Leigh Blackall 
 leighblack...@gmail.comwrote:

 And some case study or exemplar for an appropriate and informed
 relationship between a university marketing department, and the ethos of
 the wiki projects. Ie, remove the barrier that marketing would place on
 faculty engagement with the project


 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:17 PM, Leigh Blackall 
 leighblack...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm not able to edit WMAu wiki,

 Good to see a continuation of Wikimedia in Higher Education. We could
 sure use some more proactive support in our effort to develop educational
 practices around the Wikimedia projects. This includes, librarian awareness
 campaigns, how to edit workshops, WMAu partnering in funding applications,
 a road show of Australian work to date, more active use of Wikiversity as a
 hub for this sort of project.

 On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Kerry Raymond 
 kerry.raym...@gmail.comwrote:

 A little while ago there was a call for ideas for our Annual Plan for
 2014, which is an essential part of our FDC funding application (can't ask
 for money unless we have things we intend to do!).

 To try to get this conversation going, I have thrown together a list of
 ideas that have come up. Which of these are worth doing? Which not? What's
 missing from the list?

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal:2014_Annual_Plan

 Please discuss via email or via editing the page/talk as you prefer.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: 2014 Annual Plan: international events ...

[Gnangarra]

One of our(WMAU) issues is that we work in isolation for most editors that
isolation isnt a big issue but our best results come form when we break
that isolation and bring people together. WMAU biggest achievement came
when we were able to bring a group together in Canberra in 2009, we changed
the way the whole movement worked with GLAMs. Since then we have run
successful projects in QLD, NSW WA but they have been locally driven,
locally supported. IMHO something that has been tossed around a number of
times yet never developed is local groups, local representation within
WMAU. I think while looking outside to bring others together is a good idea
and will help we need to bring our community together as well. The townhall
project suggest last years was one way of doing that, as are other event
based happenings Craig attending the launch of Freopedia in doing so it did
alot to advance WMAU programs in WA. Doing once off little gestures isnt
enough everything needs the followup, at the moment all our planning is
around the single song and dance routines we need to look more at planning
multiple repeats. Funding a single Wikiminia is nice but the reality is we
need to commit to funding such events over an extend time period, we dont
have those resources nor are we likely to get them in the short term.



On 21 July 2013 10:44, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 I do like the Wikiminia title!

 But on conferences and meetups generally, I think we need to look
 realistically at the value for money when we set up these events.  The bare
 fact of the matter is that setting up an event in Australia is expensive.
  Accommodation, venues, and most importantly travel costs are very high by
 international standards.  So before we start thinking about having more
 symposiums, conferences, and other get-togethers, we really need to ask
 ourselves if that is the most cost effective way to achieve whatever it is
 that we're looking to do.  Are the higher costs justified by the benefit of
 having face-to-face communication?

 The answer of course may be yes, but that needs to be quantified before
 we go and start inviting people.  And to my mind the best way to approach
 it is not to decide to have a real life event, and then fill it with
 various programmes, but to decide what it is we want to achieve as an
 organisation, and then hold an event if that is the most sensible way to
 achieve those goals.

 Regards,
 Craig Franklin


 On 21 July 2013 08:43, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Agreed.  Also,  at least one of the International events: Wikimania,
 offers support for travel already. But targeting funds for the purposes you
 outline seems a good idea.

 Speaking of Wikimania... and linking to the WAJER idea, but ignoring the
 chinwagging perspective,  how about ab annual event called Wikiminia?
 Bringing together datahackers, local real work community groups, and
 wikiheads, mostly to celebrate, issue awards, dream big, eat and chinwag,
 but on a local outreach scale. Hosting such a thing is taking another
 financial incentive open to academics too.. They are recognised andpossibly
 rewarded for four publishing in WAJER and presenting at Wikiminia. I
 volunteer to help organise.
 On 21/07/2013 8:00 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Tony1 has made some comments about the 2014 Annual Plan:

 ** **

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan

 ** **

 and I hope we will be hearing more from others!

 ** **

 In regard to his comment about WMAU being represented at international
 events, it’s probably worth a broader discussion of some of the issues here.
 

 ** **

 In 2013, we didn't budget any money for participation in international
 community events, precisely because we (the committee) were doubtful about
 the benefits from “chinwagging” relative to the costs. However, that has
 been interpreted by others as not engaging with the broader community, etc.
 In particular we had a certain amount of criticism for not being
 represented at the Chapters Conference.

 ** **

 The other issue here is that, despite all the electronic means of
 communication, people still seem to need face-to-face meetings (and, in
 particular, the act of eating together) to build trust and goodwill; this
 is something that I have seen so many times in my years in international
 standards development (even though almost all the people I worked with were
 IT people and hence those who one might think most able to work effectively
 electronically). And trust/goodwill is important when it comes to getting
 money, so it may be that an international airfare for some carefully-chosen
 event (meaning who will be there) might be an excellent investment. So
 that's why it's on the list of possibilities for discussion.

 ** **

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Gnangarra]

The production people I work with at ABC Open maybe persuaded to do the
videos for us, they already have the reach we'd need...

On 21 July 2013 13:18, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Someone mentioned the social aspect of face-to-face edit training vs
 professionally produced training videos. Face-to-face can be an important
 aspect, but will always be limited in scope and relatively expensive (as
 Craig has pointed out, especially for a country like Australia).

 There are two limitations in scope for face-to-face training, I think: the
 sheer volume of skills, dimensions to WP editing, that we'd like to get
 across – when there's only so much you can fit into a single session, or
 even multiple sessions; and (2) the fact that WMF sites need numbers ... *
 lots* of new editors, more than we can pump out in occasional room-based
 events. And looking at Australian-related articles, we need *lots* of new
 Australian editors. And it would be nice to reach out to people in
 Australian regions, and the Asia-Pacific (in English), whom we just
 couldn't possibly involve in face-to-face training.

 The trainer in me is also aware that conveying skills and knowledge in
 more than one mode is often very reinforcing for recipients – face-to-face
 *and* online vid *and* even online/skype mentoring? BTW, WMAU
 face-to-face sessions in a number of cities are going to be funded by the
 Australian Research Council as part of the Linkage project on disability in
 sport (John Vandenberg is organising, I believe).

 As for specifically Australian content/angles, they're not essential: just
 showing the way generically for the rest of the WM movement would be a good
 thing to do.

 T





 On 21/07/2013, at 3:03 PM, Kerry Raymond wrote:

 ** **

 Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff
 I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
 available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
 site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
 broken links.

 ** **

 Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
 perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
 “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
 referencing key Austrlian resources)

 ** **

 Kerry

 ** **
  --

 *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto:leighblack...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
 *To:* kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 *Cc:* wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and
 the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

 ** **

 Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
 hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
 suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
 Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
 create videos about Australia related projects and interest
 groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
 video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
 outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.

 On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:***
 *

 In 

  

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposalhttp://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
 

  

 Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training and/or
 to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the WMF’s
 enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards “low-hanging
 fruit” projects. 

  

 Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
 problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
 know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
 attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
 (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
 project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
 instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
 reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
 people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
 absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
 much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
 training.

  

 Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
 WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
 to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
 Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional
 videos which they could at 3am in their 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] RE: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Gnangarra]

hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to
visual editor

On 21 July 2013 14:14, Kerry Kilner k.kil...@uq.edu.au wrote:

  Thanks for this reference, Leigh!

 Kerry Kilner


 On 21/07/2013, at 3:59 PM, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

   There are a few on the Wikiversity page I maintain for workshops: 
 http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops
 http://en.m.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikipedia_editing_workshops

 If need be I'll forward a YouTube playlist
 On 21/07/2013 3:03 PM, Kerry Raymond  kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 

 Leigh, feel free to point me at these instructional videos (there’s stuff
 I would love to learn personally as well as making those links more
 available to others). I did go looking once and found some on a Wikipedia
 site (probably on outreach, can’t remember) but they seemed to be all
 broken links.

 ** **

 Certainly we would not be proposing to reinvent the wheel if there was
 perfectly good material already there. There might be some minor
 “Australian” content we could add but it would be very minor (mainly about
 referencing key Austrlian resources)

 ** **

 Kerry

 ** **
  --

 *From:* Leigh Blackall [mailto: leighblack...@gmail.com
 leighblack...@gmail.com]
 *Sent:* Sunday, 21 July 2013 8:57 AM
 *To:*  kerry.raym...@gmail.comkerry.raym...@gmail.com
 *Cc:*  wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org; WMAu members
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos
 and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

 ** **

 Is this suggestion because we are dissatisfied with the dozens if not
 hundreds and thousands of instructional videos already available? Maybe the
 suggestion is for Australian accent and language versions? A series in an
 Indigenous language would be remarkable! Or perhaps the suggestion is to
 create videos about Australia related projects and interest
 groups? In which case its a good suggestion. I for one would benefit from a
 video overview of the things going on. I have a few videos on my channel
 outlining Wikiversity work. And know of others looking at Wikinews.

 On 21/07/2013 8:44 AM, Kerry Raymond  kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 In 

  

 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Proposal_talk:2014_Annual_Plan#Proposal
 

  

 Tony1 also suggests instructional videos to reinforce edit training
 and/or to replace it. He asks is “is it too ambitious”? Because of the
 WMF’s enthusiasm for metrics, it does drive our thinking towards
 “low-hanging fruit” projects. 

  

 Edit training workshops are a good example of this “low hanging” fruit
 problem. We know we can run a certain number of edit training sessions, we
 know that with the help of our GLAM partners, we can probably get a certain
 attendance, we know that attendees seem to enjoy their day of edit training
 (based on feedback forms) – so that’s a nice measurable success for a nice
 project that we should keep doing. Could we put the effort instead into
 instructional videos? Obviously instructional videos could potentially
 reach a massive international audience, far greater than maybe the 100-200
 people we can train each year through workshops, but maybe they would be
 absolutely zero downloads/views. So the risk/return profile of videos is
 much higher (we can both succeed and fail more spectacularly) than for edit
 training.

  

 Also we struggle to find volunteers among WMAU members and the Australian
 WP community for our edit training workshops as our library partners like
 to run these events on weekdays (incompatible with people’s work lives).
 Would we find it more-or-less easy to get people to prepare instructional
 videos which they could at 3am in their pyjamas if they wanted? I don’t
 know. What are the relative costs? Well, edit training generally has travel
 costs, but we’d probably need to spend some money on professional tools for
 making instructional videos (screen-capture and video-editing software) and
 perhaps some training on how to use them effectively.

  

 So what do we do? Low-risk/return edit training workshop or
 higher-risk/return edit training videos? Of course in the ideal world of
 infinite resources we can do both, but we don’t live in that world
 (“everything costs something” as my former Vice-Chancellor used to say).*
 ***

  

 Aside. In regard to edit training in any form, we have a practical
 problem in relation to the progressive rollout of increasing functionality
 of the visual editor. This impacts on our existing edit training workshop
 materials (slides and manuals) and would impact on the preparation of
 videos. But my question here is more philosophical about the risk/return
 model of what we do.

  

 Kerry

  

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] RE: Annual Plan 2014: instructional videos and the larger question of SMART-vs-BHAG

[Gnangarra]

it never hurts to revisit/renew training videos from time to time anyway,
the problem that we face at the moment is the visual editor isnt stable nor
is it complete so making videos right now is fraught with them also being
made obsolete as well.

On 21 July 2013 19:43, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Yes, this.  Unfortunately a great deal of documentation has been made
 obsolete with one fell stroke (not that that's a reason not to do it, it
 just creates a whole bunch of work for us).

 Cheers,
 Craig


 On 21 July 2013 16:17, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 hmm many of those will need to be redone/duplicated with the changes to
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove

[Gnangarra]

as to where the citation needs to available its any where from which
editors draw information from Trove, including, newspapers, magazines,
audio(http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/163116758)

On 7 August 2013 18:33, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon,

 In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any
 responses you have too!)

 The general gist, if I can put it this way, is the current cite code is
 working, don't fix it until it's broken. Which is good to hear :-) This
 answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question
 no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search
 results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For
 example - here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA
 catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up
 a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent
 in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are
 newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code,
 or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the
 NLA that have no ISBN)?


 Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this is
 something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive
 series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much
 the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more
 generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily
 manually worked-around.
 As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my primary
 concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked it in
 those terms over on Mediawiki.org too.

 Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more
 direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in
 Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a
 blanket system wouldn't be appropriate).

 -Liam


 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling nick_dowl...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Liam,

 I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your questions:

 1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using wiki
 code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark up
 remains very useful.

 2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper
 articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons
 would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect.

 I hope that's helpful.

 Regards,
 Nick

 --
 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
 From: liamwy...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove


 As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service include a
 WP citation code in the cite this drop down in all search results (along
 with permalink, and various standardised footnoting styles). At the
 Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech and
 database integration process - part of which is revisiting what kinds of
 citations are useful where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss
 where the WP citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some
 feedback:

 1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this kind
 of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup?
 2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service provided, and
 which are irrelevant? I believe the best use-case is for individual
 newspaper articles within Trove. However, I believe that there is little/no
 value in providing this service for individual book results in the NLA 
 catalogue
 search (because WP just wants the ISBN, not the fact that it's in any
 individual library's collection). However - what about manuscripts, music
 scores, unpublished collections of personal papers, digitised maps Is
 it useful to have this service provided in those circumstances?

 -Liam / Wittylama
 (In this case I'm asking from my professional capacity as employee of the
 NLA)

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove

[Gnangarra]

If the NLA page has the WP citation, currenlty its just
*Citation Details*

*Use the following url to begin from this point:*
*
http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2

*

*Or this url to play only the portion of audio:*
*
http://www.nla.gov.au/amad/nla.oh-vn5811404/5-2~5-4

*I'd probably just use the trove link for ease of use...

On 7 August 2013 19:02, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's an interesting example Gnang - that link you gave is to an oral
 history that's in the NLA collection and happens to be digitised and
 online. Not all are, but this one is. Moreover, this one is part of a new
 system the NLA has (to which all oral histories are progressively being
 migrated) which includes a timecoded transcript and the ability to give a
 stable URL for EACH part of the transcript - potentially providing a direct
 citation to really interesting primary source footnotes!

 The URL for the same item in the NLA catalogue is this:
 http://nla.gov.au/nla.oh-vn5811404

 So... given that, would you suggest that, in this example, it would be
 appropriate for Trove to provide a WP citation OR to leave that citation to
 the NLA catalogue itself? (Please say if I'm not being clear, it's a
 complex question!).

 -Liam


 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 7 August 2013 10:56, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 as to where the citation needs to available its any where from which
 editors draw information from Trove, including, newspapers, magazines,
 audio(http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/163116758)

 On 7 August 2013 18:33, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Mark, Nick, Gideon,

 In response to your points thus far, (and others - please send me any
 responses you have too!)

 The general gist, if I can put it this way, is the current cite code is
 working, don't fix it until it's broken. Which is good to hear :-) This
 answers my question no.1, but I'd be interested in feedback about question
 no.2 as well - which kinds of records in both the Trove and NLA search
 results would be actually useful for having this citation code appear. For
 example - here http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/2540625 is the NLA
 catalogue reference for Harry Potter book 1. Clicking 'cite this' pulls up
 a WP code as well. My educated guess is that this code (and the equivalent
 in Trove) is neither useful for the NLA nor for WP. Am I right in this? Are
 newspaper articles the ONLY time wikimedians will use this citation code,
 or are there other cases that are beneficial (e.g. unique materials in the
 NLA that have no ISBN)?


 Mark, with regards to the formatting (underscores, capitalisation) this
 is something that I believe Grahame has already submitted a comprehensive
 series of bug reports for to the Trove team. The issue there is not so much
 the citation system itself but Trove's record naming structure and, more
 generally, the long list of higher priority bugs that are not as easily
 manually worked-around.
 As for the clipboard issue - this is a clear way of summarising my
 primary concern, thanks for framing it so neatly. I've subsequently asked
 it in those terms over on Mediawiki.org too.

 Nick, thank you too. WRT some ability to make uploads of images more
 direct might be cool - but as Gnang says, many of the files available in
 Trove aren't actually from the NLA and also many are in copyright (so a
 blanket system wouldn't be appropriate).

 -Liam


 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 7 August 2013 10:01, Nick Dowling nick_dowl...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Hi Liam,

 I've used Trove for quite a few articles. In response to your questions:

 1) Given that experienced Wikipedia editors are still mainly using wiki
 code, and will probably do so for some time, the pre-filled wiki mark up
 remains very useful.

 2) I agree that this functionality is mainly useful for newspaper
 articles and the like. Something to support uploads of images into Commons
 would also be very useful, but would be less-used I suspect.

 I hope that's helpful.

 Regards,
 Nick

 --
 Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 12:07:17 +1000
 From: liamwy...@gmail.com
 To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] WP citations in NLA/Trove


 As many of you know, the National Library and its Trove service include
 a WP citation code in the cite this drop down in all search results
 (along with permalink, and various standardised footnoting styles). At the
 Library we are currently in the midst of a very broad tech and
 database integration process - part of which is revisiting what kinds of
 citations are useful where. I'm going to a meeting next week to discuss
 where the WP citation sits within this and I'd really appreciate some
 feedback:

 1) What effect does the Visual Editor have on the provision of this
 kind of code. Is it even useful anymore to provide pre-filled wiki markup?
 2) Which kinds of results are useful to have this service provided, and
 which are irrelevant? I

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wikimedia Australia public meeting today at 4PM AEST

[Gnangarra]

4pm where?


On 1 September 2013 12:50, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just a quick reminder that there will be a public meeting today at 4PM, in
 the #wikimedia-au IRC channel on the freenode network. You are all welcome.

 Regards,

 Steven Zhang
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Wikimedia Australia public meeting today at 4PM AEST

[Gnangarra]

Interesting to read but there is more than just Sydney based events in the
coming month, the next WMAU event is in Fremantle on the 11 September see
the main page for
informationhttp://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikimedia_Australiabut
really the community should consider whether the first Sunday is a
good
choice, this month it coincided with fathers day, but many other months it
causes clashes with long weekends as the first monday is also frequently
the day of public holidays. The other issue is the timing of these IRC
chats and whether its causing members to be excluded from participation as
these IRC chats have been attracting the same group of regulars, and very
rarely do we see anyone else participate, while recognising that we have
2-3 hour time differences across our membership so therefore there is no
one perfect solution.

Gnangarra


On 1 September 2013 19:04, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Hi Anthony,

 Yes, I have just published the transcript here:
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_(2013-09-01)/Transcript

 It was a good meeting with some interesting ideas raised.

 Cheers,
 Craig


 On 1 September 2013 17:27, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are the minutes/transcript published anywhere?

 Anthony Cole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole
 Memberships secretary
 Wiki Project Med Foundationhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med


 On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Just a quick reminder that there will be a public meeting today at 4PM,
 in the #wikimedia-au IRC channel on the freenode network. You are all
 welcome.

 Regards,

 Steven Zhang
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [wmau:members] Re: Wikimedia Australia public meeting today at 4PM AEST

[Gnangarra]

WA friendly time is nice, but thats not what I'm specifically suggesting
what I thought is why not 9am AEST(10am for those on daylight saving)
that'd be 7am AWST or even a different day say a friday or saturday. a lets
have a less formal quiet drinks  chat on Fridays open the channel from 8pm
AEST and keep it open until after 11pm its also the busiest time for
editors of Australian articles and being an active channel at that time
would make editing help available for those that want it.

Cheers
Gn


On 1 September 2013 20:34, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Hi,

 A few months ago we had a special WA friendly meeting time (6pm to 7pm
 AWST, 8pm to 9pm AEST), which worked out rather well and attracted a
 different crowd to normal, how about we do that again for the October
 meeting?  Will this provide a problem for anyone given that daylight
 savings is starting soon for the states that have it?

 Cheers,
 Craig


 On 1 September 2013 22:26, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Interesting to read but there is more than just Sydney based events in
 the coming month, the next WMAU event is in Fremantle on the 11 September
 see the main page for 
 informationhttp://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikimedia_Australiabut really 
 the community should consider whether the first Sunday is a good
 choice, this month it coincided with fathers day, but many other months it
 causes clashes with long weekends as the first monday is also frequently
 the day of public holidays. The other issue is the timing of these IRC
 chats and whether its causing members to be excluded from participation as
 these IRC chats have been attracting the same group of regulars, and very
 rarely do we see anyone else participate, while recognising that we have
 2-3 hour time differences across our membership so therefore there is no
 one perfect solution.

 Gnangarra


 On 1 September 2013 19:04, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.netwrote:

 Hi Anthony,

 Yes, I have just published the transcript here:
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/Meeting:Public_(2013-09-01)/Transcript

 It was a good meeting with some interesting ideas raised.

 Cheers,
 Craig


 On 1 September 2013 17:27, Anthony Cole ahcole...@gmail.com wrote:

 Are the minutes/transcript published anywhere?

 Anthony Cole http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole
 Memberships secretary
 Wiki Project Med 
 Foundationhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Project_Med


 On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:50 PM, Steven Zhang cro0...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 Just a quick reminder that there will be a public meeting today at
 4PM, in the #wikimedia-au IRC channel on the freenode network. You are all
 welcome.

 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Tennis Australia - volunteer photographers

[Gnangarra]

Its been around a little while AIPP has already contacted Tennis Australia
over the issue, it is not a good opportunity for anyone what they require
is well beyond what would be reasonable for  an amateur photographer, its
in essence a professional photographer positions without any support,
financial assistance, insurance nor any rights. As I understand Tennis
Australia has withdrawn the positions, IMHO as a community group we should
never place ourselves in a position of promoting the abuse of community
time by corporations especially ones with the capacity to pay market rates
for commercial work.




On 10 September 2013 17:16, Charles Gregory wikimediaau.li...@chuq.netwrote:

 Has anyone heard about this (which has been going around Facebook,
 possibly other networks/forums)?

 https://www.facebook.com/TAPayTogs

 http://www.seek.com.au/job/25179489

 In short: Tennis Australia have advertised for photographers for an
 upcoming tournament.. but the catch is - they are looking for volunteers,
 with their own equipment, who will not be paid and...

 (the clincher) ...Tennis Australia will retain copyright over all images.

 Obviously if it wasn't for the last issue this would be a great
 opportunity for some fantastic Commons photographers.  Is there anything we
 could say (either publicly, or privately to Tennis Australia) to raise
 awareness of this issue?

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query

[Gnangarra]

well some that come to mind
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Freo - Freopedia only cost for
WMAU has been Craig to Perth for the Launch, and from reports was well
recieved at Wikimania in Hong Kong...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Waroona,
prelude to a Wikitown there.
then there 2 of us doign a workshop tomorrow in Toodyay, and 3 of us
being part of the Shire of Toodyay demostrations on Saturday for a
third WikiTown there -- WMAU approved $200 to cover some expenses but
well below the true costs of running the two

add to that, the work of SatuSuro
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Takes_Western_Australian_Wheatbelt_Railways_2013
and to that a larger Wheatbelt project...

Its not talking about ideas thats going to change things it needs more
people to get out there and do things,

Gideon

On 8 October 2013 10:39, Adam Jenkins adam.jenk...@gmail.com wrote:
 I realised one big mistake in the wording of my email. The question as to
 what projects we can put into place is not intended at the committee as
 such, but for everyone interested. I've started talking to people about some
 ideas, but I'm wondering how we, as WMAU, can work out some really good
 projects to put us into a position where we exceed the WMF's expectations,
 and what ideas to do so we can come up with. :)

 Adam.



 On 8 October 2013 11:50, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

 kickstarter?
 I think it now does Australian projects...


 On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Adam Jenkins adam.jenk...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi!

 Thanks for explaining things. I need to say upfront that I'm not trying
 to raise doubts about the ARC linkage grant. But from reading the replies,
 we are currently in the process of committing $140k over three years based
 on existing funds of (at best) $75k. I disagree that we should be tackling
 this on the understanding that we can pull out in subsequent years - it
 would be very unusual for that to be permitted, as it would leave the
 university with insufficient funds to complete the research. If that
 happened, the university would have to convince another partner to cover the
 remaining funds, reduce the research scope, or cancel the project. If
 cancelled, we damage our reputation with partner institutions as well as
 losing any money previously invested. If a partner steps up, we damage our
 reputation. We need to go into this with the intent of being committed for
 the full amount, not with the belief that we are able to pull out if the
 funds don't materialise.

 So from what you are saying, we are in trouble. Not as much trouble as we
 would be if the $50k payment was still expected in 2014, but not in a nice
 place. We have only half the funds needed to meet existing (or at least in
 process) commitments over the next three years, (and are short of having
 enough funds to meet our commitments in the next two years), have no
 additional funds to spend on new projects unless we pull the money from the
 linkage grant commitment (which will increase the risk of defaulting) or
 pull out of that project (which we certainly do not want to do), and are
 being told that we would be unsuccessful in getting funds through the major
 funding body (the FDC) that has been providing grants to the Chapters.

 Going on the assumption that we should move forward with the linkage
 grant, (which we should do), we need to guarantee at least $10k from the WMF
 or the FDC to meet the 2015 commitment, assuming no additional expenditure,
 and $50k to meet 2016.  This will be difficult, in that I gather there will
 not be a deliverable until 2017, so we need to present this as a three year
 program instead of focusing on the annual grant model, or we will need to
 show metrics which can be applied each year. This is especially problematic
 for us as the measuring tools linked to do not seem to work well for this
 sort of project. That said, I don't think that any of this is impossible.

 So back to my initial question, how do we tackle this? At worst, we need
 funding through Round 1 of the 2014/2015 FDC grants process, which means we
 need to be in a position to successfully request funding by September next
 year, or be assured that we can get funds for our needs through an
 alternative grants process by the end of 2015. Thus, what projects can we
 put in place that either require no funding or very limited funding, will be
 fully completed by September 2014, (including all reporting requirements and
 metrics), and will be impressive enough as a set to justify a large grant
 for an unusual project? And if we do need more funding for these projects,
 how much time do we need to factor in so as to go through the grants process
 with the WMF, or do we risk pulling funds from those currently committed?

 I should also add that I think that the committee and members have done
 some great work over the last year. I think part of the problem is that we
 haven't been informing the WMF of 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query

[Gnangarra]

Hi All

While on the subject of doing something I'd like to take this opportunity
to announce

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/Toodyaypedia
*Toodyaypedia*our latest WikiTown QR project, this comes as of the
result of a lot of
hard work by a number of people including our President who spoke with the
Shire while in Perth to launch Freopedia, this will include a Wikitakes
event on Saturday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Takes_Toodyay_Showwhere
SatuSuro, Andrew Owens and myself will spend the day unlocking
mysteries of Wikipedia for the public while shire staff will be approaching
people with cameras to upload photographs from the Toodyay Agriculture
Show, which also happens be celebrating 160 years since its first
show(there has been only 4 years where the show hasnt occured). This will
be followed up with workshops on 2 November.

Shire Museum staff will be using Wikiversity to create a number of
exercises for school students to do prior to visiting the museum, while at
the museum and follow up projects afterwards, while these will be Toodyay
museum specific the formula/formats etc will readily replicable for any
museum.

Shire Tourism staff will be focusing on developing Wikivoyage content for
the region, Library and Community Resource centre staff will be readily
available to help the community add content, today SatuSuro and myself
spent 4 hours with them working thorugh contributing to Commons, it was a
wonderful collaborative effort where we showed one person how to create an
account and they then help other participants do the same, then I show
walked the group thorugh uploading a photograph using upload wizard they
each then went on to upload more photographs and not just ones I had
supplied for the workshop but also some of their photographs by the end of
the session they were uploading their own photographs, adding categories,
then adding content to en.wp articles. Given the small number of regular
contributors in WA the 8 new people today are a significant increase in
editors over here and definately took the idea of contributing Watch
this space more exciting things happening soon

Cheers
Gideon




On 9 October 2013 18:04, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Hi Nick,

 Absolutely, a lot of volunteers have pitched in at some time or another
 and done some great work that have (in my opinion) led to positive outcomes
 for the movement.  Enough that I'm not going to even try to enumerate them
 all for fear that I'll leave someone out :-).

 Cheers,
 Craig




 On 9 October 2013 12:22, wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:

 Message: 2
 Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 10:42:29 +
 From: Nick Dowling nick_dowl...@hotmail.com
 To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org

 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
 Message-ID: blu173-w384c2d1bcf759720b58a47ef...@phx.gbl
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1


 Bidgee has also provided excellent outcomes for the photography grant(s?)
 he received.

  Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2013 18:38:19 +0800
  From: gnanga...@gmail.com
  To: wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
  CC: cfrank...@halonetwork.net
  Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
 
  well some that come to mind
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Freo - Freopedia only cost for
  WMAU has been Craig to Perth for the Launch, and from reports was well
  recieved at Wikimania in Hong Kong...
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Waroona,
  prelude to a Wikitown there.
  then there 2 of us doign a workshop tomorrow in Toodyay, and 3 of us
  being part of the Shire of Toodyay demostrations on Saturday for a
  third WikiTown there -- WMAU approved $200 to cover some expenses but
  well below the true costs of running the two
 
  add to that, the work of SatuSuro
 
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wiki_Takes_Western_Australian_Wheatbelt_Railways_2013
  and to that a larger Wheatbelt project...
 
  Its not talking about ideas thats going to change things it needs more
  people to get out there and do things,
 
  Gideon
 


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query

[Gnangarra]

I've also started adding info, but the last few days I've been sidetracked,
and need to spend time chasing down the details :)

Cheers
Gnangarra


On 11 October 2013 21:07, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Bidgee and Toby,

 Thanks for preparing and adding your info to these spreadsheets.  I know
 that filling out paperwork isn't fun but it's one of those things that has
 to be done, so thanks for stepping up and leading the way.

 I do have some figures on editathons across NSW and Qld that I will add as
 soon as I can locate them.

 Cheers,
 Craig


 On 11 October 2013 18:35, wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.orgwrote:


 Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:35:13 +1100
 From: Robert Myers bid...@me.com

 To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
 Message-ID: 271ccc96-0449-4d48-b0c5-ccde898cd...@me.com
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


 I've added my two grants, but the equipment cost (amount that I paid out
 of my own pocket) is just an estimate for now, until I can locate the
 receipt.

 -
 Bidgee

 On 10/10/2013, at 10:39 PM, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Kerry,
 
  My preferred model would be that each project/editathon/grant leader
  should report their results in this tabular format, (perhaps as a
  partial replacement for the written reports we've previously
  submitted).  We are usually pretty proud of our how our events go, so
  I expect individuals would often be happy to formally report that back
  to WMAU if there's a procedure in place.
 
  To kick the process off, I've copied the WMF spreadsheet Whiteghost
  linked to, and have started adapting it for her suggestions and for
  the Australian context (e.g. Aussie dollars and Photographic Equipment
  Grants).  I've also added complete current data from my 2011 small
  grant, and links to the reports from some others I know about.
  Everybody should feel free to start adding data on programs they know
  about, and changing field titles to suit the programs we run.  I'll
  start adding some of the SLNSW and QSA stuff I know about.
 
  Here it is in all it's glory - it is open for anyone with the link to
 edit:
 
 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvHbaGUCSbP9dGppX1dhOWxka1I5MTdhMEJHcU9ILUEusp=sharing
 
  Toby
 
 
 
 
 
  On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Toby
 
  You make an excellent point and I doubt anyone will disagree that it
 would
  be a Good Thing to do this. Would those volunteering to do it please
 put
  their hands up now?
 
  [Pauses, cups hand around ear listening ...]
 
  Therein lies the problem that most volunteer organisations face.
 Volunteers
  do the tasks they enjoy (or at least derive satisfaction from),
 because they
  do it for free in their leisure time. Now sometimes a volunteer
 organisation
  is fortunate that there are different strokes for different folks and
  someone else will be quite happy to pick up the tasks another person
 didn't
  want to do.
 
  But sometimes there is nobody to pick it up some tasks (I recollect
 another
  incorporated association that endlessly tried to establish a roster for
  cleaning the toilet -- which was doomed to failure because nobody
 wanted to
  do it, even though everyone was in favour of a clean toilet) and I
 fear that
  metrics may be in that category in WMAU. If so, this is when we need
 to look
  at outsourcing that task. As you will all know (but maybe don't
 remember) we
  do now have a contracting policy
 
  http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Contracting
 
  and, any moment now (drum roll), John V will be outlining the
 arrangements
  for the contracting subcommittee so we can get outsourcing happening.
 
  If there are tasks we need to outsource, we need to do this now while
 we
  still have funds to pay for the work that needs doing. If we delay
 until we
  have no funds, then we are in a serious catch-22 situation. I note
 that a
  number of the chapters who receive FDC funding appear to use at least
 part
  of those funds to employ project management staff, suggesting that
 this is
  the kind of thing that is hard to resource with volunteers in most
 chapters.
 
  Kerry
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
  [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Toby
 Hudson
  Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2013 4:16 PM
  To: Craig Franklin; Wikimedia Australia Chapter
  Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
 
  On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Craig Franklin
  cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:
  I also agree that the chapter and its volunteers *have* done a lot of
  great
  work over the past few years, and I think you've hit the nail on the
 head
  that we've often failed to effectively communicate our successes.
  Part of
  any projects going forward will be a need to say here's how we're
 going
  to
  measure success before we actually dive

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Pre-AGM events tomorrow

[Gnangarra]

Hi Everyone

Waroona event was scheduled months ago so is co-incidental that its on the
same day, as the person running the event my apologies but its unlikely
I'll be able to attend the AGM

Gideon


On 22 November 2013 15:31, Charles Gregory wikimediaau.li...@chuq.netwrote:

 Hi everyone,

 I notice that are a couple of events happening tomorrow, thanks to
 volunteers in various parts of the country - I'm not sure if these are
 scheduled or co-incidental with the AGM!

 The ones that I am aware of:

 - Sydney - State Library of NSW - WWI backstage tour and editathon.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_edit-a-thons/Australia#November_2013

 - Perth - Waronna Visitors Centre - Wikipedia Takes Waroona
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Waroonahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Takes_Waroona

 If there are any other events happening, please send a follow-up email to
 this list to let people know.

 Regards,

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP training at NLA last week

[Gnangarra]

HI Liam

Can I take this to create the basis of a section on the event in
https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/November_2013/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_reportwhich
is due out in 3 days

Cheers
Gideon


On 2 December 2013 12:20, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Friday, user:Aliaretiree and user:Rubicon49bce (Mylee and Katherine
 from the State Library of NSW) and myself did a full-day training
 workshop at the National Library for representatives of each of the other
 State Libraries in Australia. This is part of the project to write articles
 about digitised newspapers in Trove. The event was under the auspices of
 the annual 'Australian Newspapers Plan' consortium meeting (a committee of
 all the state libraries to coordinate their newspaper
 collecting/preservation).

 WP event project page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
 :GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA_Training_November_2013

 This training session was significant not only in terms of the fact that
 there are a couple of trained Wikipedia editors among the staff of each
 state/territory library now, but also because this was the culmination of
 the SLNSW Wikipedia project (which included the Wikipedian In Residence
 with user:Whiteghost.ink earlier in the year). The project was always
 hoping to be able to develop enough skill and confidence within the SLNSWthat 
 editing WP became part of 'business as usual' for their staff, and
 that they could then train other state libraries too. So, to sit up the
 back of the room and watch two of my former 'students' deliver their own
 WP training day was brilliant!

 Thanks especially to user:99of9 (Toby, also one of the original 
 SLNSWtrainers) for helping out remotely during the day and over the weekend in
 ensuring the articles we created were given the once-over and all our new
 users were welcomed.

 You can see the practical results of the day, in terms of new users and
 new articles created, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
 :GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA
 _Training_November_2013#Trainees
 [note there are two articles currently sitting in the 'articles for
 creation' queue and one is currently being debated for deletion. If people
 could weigh in on those that would be helpful].

 Sincerely,
 -Liam / Wittylama

 p.s.
 On a side note - here at the NLA we just had a public guest talk by user:
 edsu (Ed Summers) from the Library of Congress. He spent basically the
 entire time talking about how good wikipedia was and why GLAM-Wiki was
 really important, and showing off some of the visualisation tools he's
 created to demonstrate that - such as Linkypedia 
 http://wikistream.wmflabs.org/
 and Wikistream http://wikistream.wmflabs.org/
 You don't often get a better endorsement than that!

 -Liam


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP training at NLA last week

[Gnangarra]

I'll let know when its done so you can have a poke round and including any
thing else you'd to see noted


On 4 December 2013 11:46, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Certainly :-)

 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 4 December 2013 14:44, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI Liam

 Can I take this to create the basis of a section on the event in
 https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/November_2013/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_reportwhich
  is due out in 3 days

 Cheers
 Gideon


 On 2 December 2013 12:20, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Friday, user:Aliaretiree and user:Rubicon49bce (Mylee and Katherine
 from the State Library of NSW) and myself did a full-day training
 workshop at the National Library for representatives of each of the other
 State Libraries in Australia. This is part of the project to write articles
 about digitised newspapers in Trove. The event was under the auspices of
 the annual 'Australian Newspapers Plan' consortium meeting (a committee of
 all the state libraries to coordinate their newspaper
 collecting/preservation).

 WP event project page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
 :GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA_Training_November_2013

 This training session was significant not only in terms of the fact that
 there are a couple of trained Wikipedia editors among the staff of each
 state/territory library now, but also because this was the culmination of
 the SLNSW Wikipedia project (which included the Wikipedian In Residence
 with user:Whiteghost.ink earlier in the year). The project was always
 hoping to be able to develop enough skill and confidence within the
 SLNSW that editing WP became part of 'business as usual' for their
 staff, and that they could then train other state libraries too. So, to sit
 up the back of the room and watch two of my former 'students' deliver
 their own WP training day was brilliant!

 Thanks especially to user:99of9 (Toby, also one of the original 
 SLNSWtrainers) for helping out remotely during the day and over the weekend 
 in
 ensuring the articles we created were given the once-over and all our new
 users were welcomed.

 You can see the practical results of the day, in terms of new users and
 new articles created, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
 :GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA
 _Training_November_2013#Trainees
 [note there are two articles currently sitting in the 'articles for
 creation' queue and one is currently being debated for deletion. If people
 could weigh in on those that would be helpful].

 Sincerely,
 -Liam / Wittylama

 p.s.
 On a side note - here at the NLA we just had a public guest talk by
 user:edsu (Ed Summers) from the Library of Congress. He spent basically
 the entire time talking about how good wikipedia was and why GLAM-Wikiwas 
 really important, and showing off some of the visualisation tools he's
 created to demonstrate that - such as Linkypedia http://wikistream.
 wmflabs.org/ and Wikistream http://wikistream.wmflabs.org/
 You don't often get a better endorsement than that!

 -Liam


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] WP training at NLA last week

[Gnangarra]

HI again

Ok its up, I noticed you were at the SLNSW WWI editathon as well feel free
to expand that, I have asked Toby to provide some details on the image tool
mentioned as well

Thanks for your help
Gideon



On 4 December 2013 11:53, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll let know when its done so you can have a poke round and including any
 thing else you'd to see noted


 On 4 December 2013 11:46, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Certainly :-)

 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 4 December 2013 14:44, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 HI Liam

 Can I take this to create the basis of a section on the event in
 https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Newsletter/November_2013/Contents/Australia_and_New_Zealand_reportwhich
  is due out in 3 days

 Cheers
 Gideon


 On 2 December 2013 12:20, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Friday, user:Aliaretiree and user:Rubicon49bce (Mylee and Katherine
 from the State Library of NSW) and myself did a full-day training
 workshop at the National Library for representatives of each of the other
 State Libraries in Australia. This is part of the project to write articles
 about digitised newspapers in Trove. The event was under the auspices of
 the annual 'Australian Newspapers Plan' consortium meeting (a committee of
 all the state libraries to coordinate their newspaper
 collecting/preservation).

 WP event project page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
 :GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA_Training_November_2013

 This training session was significant not only in terms of the fact
 that there are a couple of trained Wikipedia editors among the staff
 of each state/territory library now, but also because this was the
 culmination of the SLNSW Wikipedia project (which included the
 Wikipedian In Residence with user:Whiteghost.ink earlier in the year).
 The project was always hoping to be able to develop enough skill and
 confidence within the SLNSW that editing WP became part of 'business
 as usual' for their staff, and that they could then train other state
 libraries too. So, to sit up the back of the room and watch two of my
 former 'students' deliver their own WP training day was brilliant!

 Thanks especially to user:99of9 (Toby, also one of the original 
 SLNSWtrainers) for helping out remotely during the day and over the 
 weekend in
 ensuring the articles we created were given the once-over and all our new
 users were welcomed.

 You can see the practical results of the day, in terms of new users and
 new articles created, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia
 :GLAM/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales/NSLA
 _Training_November_2013#Trainees
 [note there are two articles currently sitting in the 'articles for
 creation' queue and one is currently being debated for deletion. If people
 could weigh in on those that would be helpful].

 Sincerely,
 -Liam / Wittylama

 p.s.
 On a side note - here at the NLA we just had a public guest talk by
 user:edsu (Ed Summers) from the Library of Congress. He spent
 basically the entire time talking about how good wikipedia was and why
 GLAM-Wiki was really important, and showing off some of the
 visualisation tools he's created to demonstrate that - such as
 Linkypedia http://wikistream.wmflabs.org/ and Wikistream http://
 wikistream.wmflabs.org/
 You don't often get a better endorsement than that!

 -Liam


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] problem with Trove newspaper citations onCommons

[Gnangarra]

because templates are project by project design and not sure they can be
activated across wiki's but if so they be best on wikidata... maybe one of
those things the devs could look at into the future


On 8 December 2013 10:23, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

Is there any blindingly-obvious-to-everyone-but-me reason why the
 templates on WP and Commons should be different? Indeed, one might be
 tempted to ask if templates themselves shouldn’t be put on Commons rather
 than individual projects to ensure standardisation.



 If there is a good reason that they should be different, I guess I go and
 ask the NLA to provide me with a Commons citation as well as a WP citation
 (expected likelihood of success: probably low). If there isn’t a good
 reason, I guess I try to see if I can get the templates harmonised
 (expected likelihood of success: hell freezing over).



 Kerry


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 *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
 wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Craig Franklin
 *Sent:* Saturday, 7 December 2013 10:59 PM
 *To:* Wikimedia-au
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] problem with Trove newspaper citations
 onCommons



 Templates can (and often are) different across different sites.  In the
 case of Commons, it looks like {{cite news}} is just a wrapper for {{cite
 journal}}.  Looking a bit more closely, it seems that the newspaper
 parameter is not used in the Commons version, so I moved the content from
 there to journal and it seems to work.



 Cheers,

 Craig





 Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:32:15 +1000
 From: Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 To: 'Wikimedia Australia Chapter'
 wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org
 Subject: [Wikimediaau-l] problem with Trove newspaper citations on
 Commons
 Message-ID: bb3dc1e8bda6442babff77f521056...@chapelhill.homeip.net
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 Can anyone advise me in relation to Trove newspaper citations on Commons?



 I use Trove's Wikipedia-formatted citations on Wikipedia all the time and
 all seems to work OK. However, when I upload a newspaper illustration for
 use on Commons, I use these same citations as the source field (which seems
 the most accurate way to refer to the source), the citations often (but not
 always) break. Here's an example of a broken one:



 https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mother_Mary_Aikenhead.JPG



 The problem seems to be that Commons wants a journal field and not the
 newspaper field provided.



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[Wikimediaau-l] opportunity

[Gnangarra]

There is an opportunity for someone to spend time in Antartica, as
photographer I love to be able to do this, as Wikimedian imagine what
content you could enhance. For me I it's either 20 years too late or 10
years too soon, given the skills and knowledge of many people here if your
able to apply I say go for it... applications close 30 March 2014 so give
it some thought... Become the first Wikimedian in Residence in Antartica.

http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2013/antarctic-arts-fellowship-apply-now


*I havent brought this matter to the committee but I'm sure if you were to
apply WMAU committee would consider requests for supporting documentation
where appropriate*
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity

[Gnangarra]

WMAU is Australian and thats the focus of the application and within our
control... Yes a WMF supporting letter would also be fantastic addition and
the committee could approach them to provide one


On 14 January 2014 09:50, Matt Inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why a letter just from the chapter. Why not one from the Wikimedia
 foundation as well?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Jan 2014, at 12:44, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a fantastic idea, and nice work Gnang finding it and bringing it to
 everyone's attention. I recall back for the Wiki10 (10th anniversary of
 Wikipedia celebrations) the WMF tried desperately (but in vain) to get an
 antartic research group to host a party in order that there could be a
 party on every single continent.

 Certainly a letter of support from the Chapter should be submitted in
 association with any applicant. Ideally the applicant would not only be
 taking lots of gorgeous photos but also be able to provide some kind of
 bridge between the WP editing community and the scientists down there - to
 help increase a) the quality of texts about antarctic geography, science
 and history, but also to increase the awareness and skills of the science
 community down there in potentially their becoming editors themselves.

 -Liam


 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 14 January 2014 12:36, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

   Having been to the Antarctic back in 1996, I would certainly say to
 anyone “go for it”! How cool it would be to be (pun intended) to be the
 first Wikimedian in Residence in Antarctica.



 Kerry




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 *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity



 There is an opportunity for someone to spend time in Antartica, as
 photographer I love to be able to do this, as Wikimedian imagine what
 content you could enhance. For me I it's either 20 years too late or 10
 years too soon, given the skills and knowledge of many people here if your
 able to apply I say go for it... applications close 30 March 2014 so give
 it some thought... Become the first Wikimedian in Residence in Antartica.


 http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2013/antarctic-arts-fellowship-apply-now

 *I havent brought this matter to the committee but I'm sure if you were
 to apply WMAU committee would consider requests for supporting
 documentation where appropriate*

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity

[Gnangarra]

Its beyond anything the chapter could fund in the short to medium term, yet
its results could have amazing potential in content creation, project
promotion and even personally for the individual. So if some does have the
desire to apply we should be encouraging that and supporting them.
Ultimately the chapter is here for its members to promote opportunities
that help them improve content through availability to resources.

We wouldnt approach the Foundation unless some actually requested our
support, one of the criteria is high visability so a photographer with a
history of FP  that have reached the main page would meet that part. The
whole idea of publicising it, is that there are people who meet the
criteria.  Anyone thinking should do their research because its an
environment that is substantially more challenging and rewarding.  The
application asks for support letters (references, evidence of support from
appropriate organisations e.g: publisher, art gallery, university etc.)...
primary condition 40%weight Proposals must show how they fit the objectives
of the Australian Antarctic Arts Fellowship; how they support the vision of
Antarctica being valued, protected, and understood; and how they will
benefit the Australian Antarctic program.  Not much better than Wikipedia
content for doing those three.

Additionally WMAU could consider a commitment to send the person to the
next Wikimania to talk about their experiences that'd be one hell of a
presentation, they could also support a series of public presentations
around Aust/NZ. What ever commitment are made will the decision of its
members through the committee...





On 14 January 2014 12:30, Tony Souter to...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 I don't think the Foundation will supply a letter, unless you have a
 particular person there in mind. This would not be a Wikemedian in
 residence, but an artist in residence, funded by Canberra and supported by
 a written commitment from the chapter (what would that commitment be?).

 Who is applying? They'd need to have a demonstrably good record of
 professional standard. And how to demonstrate the ability to promote 
 research,
 conservation and management endeavours. Solid relations with WPian editors
 in these fields would be an advantage. The current holder writes a blog,
 which would be worth looking at, as would the link to previous holders.
 Note that originality, innovaiton and intellectual merit carry 20%
 weighting.

 Tony




 On 14/01/2014, at 12:58 PM, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 WMAU is Australian and thats the focus of the application and within our
 control... Yes a WMF supporting letter would also be fantastic addition and
 the committee could approach them to provide one


 On 14 January 2014 09:50, Matt Inbgn mattin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Why a letter just from the chapter. Why not one from the Wikimedia
 foundation as well?

 Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 Jan 2014, at 12:44, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:

 It's a fantastic idea, and nice work Gnang finding it and bringing it to
 everyone's attention. I recall back for the Wiki10 (10th anniversary of
 Wikipedia celebrations) the WMF tried desperately (but in vain) to get an
 antartic research group to host a party in order that there could be a
 party on every single continent.

 Certainly a letter of support from the Chapter should be submitted in
 association with any applicant. Ideally the applicant would not only be
 taking lots of gorgeous photos but also be able to provide some kind of
 bridge between the WP editing community and the scientists down there - to
 help increase a) the quality of texts about antarctic geography, science
 and history, but also to increase the awareness and skills of the science
 community down there in potentially their becoming editors themselves.

 -Liam


 wittylama.com
 Peace, love  metadata


 On 14 January 2014 12:36, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Having been to the Antarctic back in 1996, I would certainly say to
 anyone “go for it”! How cool it would be to be (pun intended) to be the
 first Wikimedian in Residence in Antarctica.



 Kerry




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 *From:* wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:
 wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Gnangarra
 *Sent:* Monday, 13 January 2014 8:50 PM
 *To:* Wikimedia-au
 *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] opportunity



 There is an opportunity for someone to spend time in Antartica, as
 photographer I love to be able to do this, as Wikimedian imagine what
 content you could enhance. For me I it's either 20 years too late or 10
 years too soon, given the skills and knowledge of many people here if your
 able to apply I say go for it... applications close 30 March 2014 so give
 it some thought... Become the first Wikimedian in Residence in Antartica.


 http://www.antarctica.gov.au/media/news/2013/antarctic-arts-fellowship-apply-now

 *I havent brought this matter to the committee but I'm

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal

[Gnangarra]

The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard,
there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just
encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find
suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places,
statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to
get permissions from.

Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and
look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited
information on each

Most people responded happily to a written request.

running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the
costs.



On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

I think it's a good idea.



 But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia.
 Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place
 to put a plaque.




 http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class



 Just starting with the first on the list



 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher



 where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the
 UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a
 city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd
 face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies.



 Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting
 permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque?
 Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably
 well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling
 in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get
 introduced by a local historical society or ...?



 Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How
 few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is
 that the minimum? Or could we run with less?



 Kerry


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 Hi Everyone

 During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR
 codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to
 participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this
 will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can
 assist in gaining permission to install the plaque.

 The proposal is at
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles

 Please join the discussion

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal

[Gnangarra]

Find places to be part to larger scale coding is actually a longer journey
as it involves a greater level of unknown especially in the article quality
process, getting an individual place who can see the article and understand
what we are linking to requires a lot less time input.  The wole purpose
here is to spread this around the country and from that get engagement for
the longer term as we make contact


On 3 February 2014 08:28, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Yes, that is what I was thinking. It may be easier to first find the
 willing places and then upgrade the articles if necessary.



 And it would be useful to kill multiple birds with one stone. Because the
 Museum of Democracy at old Parliament House has a permanent exhibition on
 the prime ministers:



 http://moadoph.gov.au/exhibitions/prime-ministers-of-australia-exhibition/



 they might not be amenable to QR plaques (but I guess you never know until
 you ask), but on closer inspection, Ballarat Gardens might indeed be the
 place to try:



 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_Ministers_Avenue



 because it appears they have busts of all the PMs and (I would imagine) no
 easy way to display information about them, so perhaps an ideal opportunity
 for QR plaques!



 Kerry




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 The aim is to improve the number of articles of a reasonable standard,
 there are many articles that need very little to get them past GA its just
 encouraging someone to make that effort. Yes bios are harder to find
 suitable places thats why the focus is towards heritage buildings, places,
 statues etc many of which are in public type ownership which are easier to
 get permissions from.

 Taking the Andrew Fisher article, we could approach the old Parliament and
 look to QR code every PM article as they have a hall with limited
 information on each



 Most people responded happily to a written request.

 running with less increase the cost, the smaller the batch the higher the
 costs.



 On 3 February 2014 07:31, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

 I think it's a good idea.



 But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for Australia.
 Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious place
 to put a plaque.




 http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class



 Just starting with the first on the list



 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher



 where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in the
 UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat (a
 city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think we'd
 face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies.



 Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting
 permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque?
 Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably
 well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be cold-calling
 in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get
 introduced by a local historical society or ...?



 Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How
 few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is
 that the minimum? Or could we run with less?



 Kerry


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 *To:* Wikimedia-au
 *Subject:* [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal



 Hi Everyone

 During todays iirc discussion its was suggested that WMAU would create QR
 codes of articles which achieve GA status. This would enable everyone to
 participate in the WikiTown format without creating a full project, this
 will work especially well for places where you have a connection and can
 assist in gaining permission to install the plaque.

 The proposal is at
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles

 Please join the discussion

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal

[Gnangarra]

I think the initial aim is not the existing GA's but rather focusing on
bringing additional articles up to a standard that would warrant a plaque.




On 3 February 2014 20:08, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I made a couple of comments on the talk page of the proposal.

 I'd point out that obviously not every GA has an obvious location for a
 plaque, and obviously those ones wouldn't be a part of this programme.  On
 the other hand, there are plenty of articles, like [[Banksia oligantha]],
 that could conceivably have multiple plaques across different botanic
 gardens, for instance.

 So long as we're not sticking to every Good Article must have a plaque!,
 then I think this is a very good idea that's definitely within the
 chapter's current capacity.

 Cheers,
 Craig


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 Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 12:00:40 +1100
 From: Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com
 To: Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com,Wikimedia Australia
 Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org

 Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal
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 But I do agree that it would be nice to work with smaller batches if the
 cost is not too much worse.
 Toby


 On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 10:31 AM, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I think it's a good idea.
 
 
 
  But then I took a quick look at the list of the GA articles for
 Australia.
  Yes, 500+ of them, but an awful lot don't seem to have an obvious
 place
  to put a plaque.
 
 
 
 
 
 http://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/list2.fcgi?run=yesprojecta=Australiaquality=GA-Class
 
 
 
  Just starting with the first on the list
 
 
 
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Fisher
 
 
 
  where would we put a plaque for him? He's got a couple of memorials in
 the
  UK (where he was born and died) and there is a bust of him in Ballarat
 (a
  city with which he does not appear to have been associated). I think
 we'd
  face a similar problem with many of the GAs being biographies.
 
 
 
  Also, in your Freopedia experience, how much time has to go into getting
  permission from the owner of the place where we want to put the plaque?
  Again, with Freopedia, you were on the ground and probably
  well-connected. But Australia-wide it's probably going to be
 cold-calling
  in a lot of situations. Did you contact people directly yourself or get
  introduced by a local historical society or ...?

 
 
 
  Also, are there any constraints on the number of plaques in a batch? How
  few could we start with? You mention 100 as a trial in the proposal. Is
  that the minimum? Or could we run with less?
 
 
 
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] QR code proposal

[Gnangarra]

any thing can be QR coded its a matter of find a valid association to an
article, JS Battye library in Perth would be associated with ,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Battye or even
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J_S_Battye_Library additionally as its
contained within the State library there is
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Library_Building or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Library_of_Western_Australia add to
that there a number of busts in the Library itself which could be QR coded
along with each of the meeting rooms which are named for regions of WA.

The same would be the case in Sydney with the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Library_of_New_South_Wales which though
currently a C class article looks sufficient to be given a run at GA...
then there Mitchell,  Dixson, and Macquarie outside theres the Flinders
statue and his cat behind.

State library of SA itself then theres Mortlock, Jervios or even John
Jefferson Bray who despite having an article isnt even linked(oops)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Jefferson_Bray

I know this an easy exercise for me having done it with Freo, when an
article is written every time you create a blue you create a potential QR
code link as well. Dont write off Libraries as being unworthy of QR codes
with our relationships with libraries they are good place to both start the
research and to look for potential QR codes.

Every library has a foundation stone and/or an official opening, there is a
plaque you can QR codes these to show why the people there are given such
an honor, even the lowly politican that turns up to every door opening is
notable








On 4 February 2014 14:15, Janet Reid lucych...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 4 February 2014 16:33, Toby Hudson tob...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Janet, nice to meet you,

 No, there's no documentation yet apart from this proposal
 http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:QR_codes_GA_articles

 I'm not quite sure that libraries are the target audience or stakeholder
 for this project though.  The most common example in the trial phase would
 be to try to attach a plaque to a building for which we already had a good
 article, and as far as I know there are no Australian library articles at
 that level.  In the continuous phase, anyone able to edit Wikipedia about
 an Australian place could undertake the challenge to get an article up to
 good level.  For a library patron the most important thing to learn would
 be how to edit and how to edit well.  Once the article is at Good Article
 level, it's again a matter of getting permission to install a plaque and
 asking WMAU to print it.


 I am not thinking of libraries as the subject but as the means.

 Community libraries often have local history collections.
 In SA all the public libraries are run through local councils.
 Local councils would probably like to have good articles and links through
 QR
 library community editing could be a way to do that.
 University Libraries similarly are situated in entities which could have
 sites and interest in being connected through QR
 the libraries are a service on site which can help people edit.

 This course looks like it would be great to train librarians to show
 others how to make good articles.
 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:School_of_Open_course/February_2014

 That could be followed by editing days and maybe some could be QR'd



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

[Gnangarra]

Since was in WA would have been nice to wait until someone here had
commented before making contact

I have already emailed Len Collard, they were trying to organise a date to
talk 2/3 weeks ago

Believe WMF Philippe is also involved because of the negative use of WP
name in the press release and the use of WP name to gain $600,000 worth of
funding

Gideon




On 8 March 2014 08:42, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

   When in doubt, ask. Emailing Leonard Collard now ... watch this space ...



 Kerry




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 Nope I haven't heard anything as of yet - there would be something on Metaif 
 a new Wikipedia was created though.

 Steve Zhang

 Sent from my iPad


 On 8 Mar 2014, at 11:19 am, Charles Gregory wikimediaau.li...@chuq.net
 wrote:


 http://www.news.uwa.edu.au/201402116439/arts-and-culture/new-media-throw-lifeline-ancient-language



 Has anyone seen this?  Does it refer to a new website or a language
 version of Wikipedia?  (Wikipedia doesn't appear to be mentioned in the
 article but I found it from this tweet -
 https://twitter.com/IndigenousTweet/status/433230348801961985 )



 Regards,



 Charles





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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

[Gnangarra]

Oral histories are better being recorded, stored separately and then used
for citation of quotes rather than pure reference sources, I think creating
a Wikitionary Noongar language would be a better fit with en articles
covering noongar stories and inclusion of Noongar stories, names etc in
already existing articles


On 8 March 2014 20:47, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote:

 Oh, and on the other topic you raise, you're thinking of Oral citations.

 https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research%3aOral_Citations

 Unfortunately, it didn't end happily on English Wikipedia as it was just
 too much of a cultural leap for everyone to make, which is why you don't
 see them anymore.

 Cheers,
 Craig


 On 8 March 2014 22:40, Andrew Owens orderinchao...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also I think something that, given the structure of their society and
 culture, they should be driving rather than us. I'd be open to helping
 Aboriginal groups who approached us for technical or other assistance. But
 we must always remember it's their culture and we're outsiders. At this
 stage I think it's best to leave it to the contact Gnangarra had with them
 and see where that goes.

 kindest regards
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Apparently corrupt administration of this list

[Gnangarra]

The questions have been answered previously but for clarity

Tony wasnt blocked for asking about Andrew that is a question raised just a
day ago,  Tony was blocked for repeatably not respecting
Wikiquettehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Etiquette,
making personal
attackshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_personal_attacksand
legal threats on the mailing lists. Yes the block was discussed by the
committee prior to any action being taken, blocking someone from our
primary method of communication should never be taken lightly.  We are also
responsible to ensure our members arent intimidated, or threaten in anyway
nor should they be subject to bullying, offensive language or other such
activities from others that prevent them from participating in our decision
processes.

Should members have any questions involving details of any other member
they should be directed to c...@wikimedia.org.au a public mailing list not
the appropriate forum, its even less appropiate to append a legal threat
when asking questions because it ties the hands of those responding. If you
find it necessary Scotty
http://www.consumer.vic.gov.au/clubs-and-not-for-profits here is the
relevant regulatory authority.

In light of discussions here about responsibilities/ownership it is
appropriate to rescind the decision of the previous committee to suspend
WMAU lists and make this one its primary form of
communicationhttp://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Suspending_the_private_mailing_list--
 WMAU will need to return to operating its own mailing lists. As the
committee does have a meeting scheduled for this weekend I envisage that a
formal statement from the committee will be sent to this list, and to
members directly explaining  what methods of communication will be used in
the future.





On 17 March 2014 21:28, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Actually, he hasn't answered ANY questions that have been asked of him,
 either by myself, nor by Tony.

 His killing Tony's subscription because Tony has valid questions in
 relation to Andrew Owens' position on the Committee seems like a bit of a
 cover up, and a stupid attempt to silence a person who has valid concerns.

 I would suggest that at least those questions are answered, or I will
 contact the relevant regulatory authorities myself and lodge an official
 complaint.

 Scotty


 On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:02 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 Steven's answer looked complete and apposite to me.



 On 17 March 2014 12:49, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Moving on, and bringing it back to what is important, Steven, can you
 please
  address the questions which have been asked of you.
 
  Cheers
 
  Scotty
 
 
  On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Steven Zhang
  steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
 
 
  Just to confirm, this was a deliberate removal and not a technical
 error.
  Two brief points here:
 
 
 
  1. This was not a unilateral action that I took - it was a discussion
 that
  the committee had in its January meeting, and decided on as a whole, in
  addition to being a decision that was made between another list
  administrator and myself. WMF staff have also been consulted and had no
  issues with the action taken.
 
 
  2. We welcome discussion about the organisation, and having differing
  opinions is perfectly fine, but actively disrupting the list is
 against both
  the rules and spirit of the list, and always has been. The former
 member
  concerned has engaged in repeated personal attacks on a number of
  individuals, and it had reached a point where we were receiving
 complaints
  from members, along with other members resigning from the organisation
 due
  to the conduct on the mailing list.
 
 
 
  This list amongst other things is intended for use as a method for
  Australian community members (including but not limited to Wikimedia
  Australia members) to collaborate and communicate. In practice most of
 that
  has been regarding activities of the chapter. In order for it to be
 used for
  those purposes, it needs to be a safe and constructive space. Admin
 action
  was taken only to ensure that this continued to be the case.
 
 
 
  As always, the committee encourages feedback and input wherever
 possible
  if it can be of benefit to the organisation, and if you as members
 have any
  questions or concerns we encourage you to discuss them with us. As an
  organisation over the past few years we have too often engaged in
 conflict
  with each other rather than work with each other, and it's something
 that we
  as a committee hope to change.
 
 
 
  Regards,
 
 
  --
  Steven Zhang
  President - Wikimedia Australia
  steven.zh...@wikimedia.org.au
 
  On 16 March 2014 18:45, John Mark Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Sun, Mar 16, 2014 at 1:53 PM, Sam Wilson s...@samwilson.id.au
 wrote:
   Yeah, Hanlon's razor perhaps should be remembered here! :-) Not
 that I
   mean
   to imply any incompetence 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-AU-Members] (no subject)

[Gnangarra]

awesome well done



On 24 April 2014 11:10, G. White whiteghost@gmail.com wrote:

 For those who do not know, 
 User:Rubicon49bcehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rubicon49bce,
 with whom I worked when I was Wikipedian-in-Residence at the State Library
 of New South Wales, has created an amazing article that will be a great
 resource for readers and researchers: *List of Australian diarists of
 World War 
 I*https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_diarists_of_World_War_I
 *.* Previously, she worked on Journals of the First 
 Fleethttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journals_of_the_First_Fleet
 .

 The Australian war diarists article brings together all her skills as
 Wikipedian, historian and librarian. As you can see, it also required a
 large dose of diligence and perseverance. It is listed as DYK for Anzac
 Day.

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Loves Monuments

[Gnangarra]

Please note I'm not speak on behalf of WMAU committee and as far as I'm
aware no one has proposed anything to the committee in relation to WLM

WLM is a complex issue

As we found out last year if Australia wants to participate in WLM we
cannot run a scaled down version, neither can we include  War Memorials
within the scope of WLM as the definition of monuments in this project is
not the english definition. If Australians had participated on that basis
none of our entrants would been eligible for the international aspects so
that would result in a very disappointing outcome for us, if not a very
embarrassing one as well.

I'm aware that this year the founding country of WLM has withdrawn, that is
a concern if the  country the size of Netherlands doesnt have the capacity
to continue then Australia with a significantly smaller user base and a
significantly larger area of distribution will have potentially more
complex capacity issues.

With this knowledge I can only recommend caution, suggest that there maybe
better alternative given the limit of resources


On 18 May 2014 02:01, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 ​​

 Does anyone know if there is going to be an Australian edition of Wiki
 Loves Monuments this year?

 The page is up on Commons,[1] but there's nothing there showing an
 Australian presence.

 Having an Aussie edition of the comp as a precursor, if there is still
 interest, in having a war memorials competition in the lead up to
 Anzac Day in 2015.

 Anyway, just wanting to put it out there that WLM is open and seeing
 if there is any interest in it.

 Cheers,

 Russavia


 [1] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2014

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Wiki Loves Monuments

[Gnangarra]

Their rational was that War memorials were not monuments as defined by the
origins of the term monuments in WLM, my understanding is it actually kind
of translates more closely to what we would associated with a heritage
listed building.



On 23 May 2014 15:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 19 May 2014 02:04, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  However, the WLM committee knocked back that idea. As Gnangarra has
 already said, we were told war memorials were not acceptable to them as
 monuments, despite our attempts to explain the cultural importance of war
 memorials in Australia. AFAIK, the conversation with WLM terminated on that
 rather unpleasant exchange and has not been resumed.


 I may regret asking, but what was their rationale?


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[Wikimediaau-l] Fwd: Toodyay Herald coming soon on Trove newspapers database

[Gnangarra]

for those interested in working on WA articles more newspapers coming on
line via Trove


  Hi, THS Committee and email members and frriends

Thought you might like to know that articles from the weekly *Toodyay
Herald* (years 1912-1954) will appear on Trove soon. Faded out links are
starting to appear in searches but we can't open them up until they lose
their Coming Sooness.

Ditto the first Avon regional newspaper the *Eastern Districts Chronicle*
(York, 1877-1927), but no *Northam Advertiser* yet. See link here:
http://www.gouldgenealogy.com/2014/05/trove-newspapers-whats-coming-soon/

Cheers

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THS




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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Freopedia map

[Gnangarra]

There are some errors to the under lying map that werent picked prior to
printing which are in the process of being addressed, once this has been
fixed as one of the creators of the map I'll upload it under the
appropriate licensing


On 7 July 2014 16:03, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 Could we please get some further information on the Freopedia map[1] from
 the Committee of WMAU, or those involved in Freopedia.

 I would like to upload this map to Commons, and although I can see the
 Freopedia and Wikimedia Australia logos on the map, I can't find any
 licencing information.

 Information appreciated.

 Cheers,

 Russavia

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Freopedia map

[Gnangarra]

I know when working on it with BID people that it was to be under a free
license, but as there are errors that needed fixing there is no point in
uploading yet


On 7 July 2014 17:08, Sam Wilson s...@samwilson.id.au wrote:

  I'm not sure it can be put on Commons, Gnangarra. The BID logo can't, nor
 the underlying map data (which has no specified source, but these things
 are usually Google or some other proprietary source, unfortunately).

 The plaque location data is all CC-BY-SA/ODBL so that's fine. :)

 -sam.


 On 07/07/14 16:52, Gnangarra wrote:

  There are some errors to the under lying map that werent picked prior to
 printing which are in the process of being addressed, once this has been
 fixed as one of the creators of the map I'll upload it under the
 appropriate licensing


 On 7 July 2014 16:03, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

  Could we please get some further information on the Freopedia map[1]
 from the Committee of WMAU, or those involved in Freopedia.

  I would like to upload this map to Commons, and although I can see the
 Freopedia and Wikimedia Australia logos on the map, I can't find any
 licencing information.

  Information appreciated.

  Cheers,

  Russavia

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Warringah Wikipedians

[Gnangarra]

I'm happy to make contact from the committee on behalf the chapter ... If
there is someone local who wants to be involved let us know as its always
better to have the personal touch..

-- Forwarded message --
From: Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com
Date: 19 March 2015 at 18:45
Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Warringah Wikipedians
To: Australian Wikimedians mailing list wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org


Following up on this thread...

A former curator of the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney is now the head of the
local studies library and Museum at Parramatta city council. He was one of
the curators present at world's first (?) wikimedian backstage pass tour
and editathon of museum, in 2009
http://www.freshandnew.org/2009/04/working-with-wikipedia-backstage-pass-at-the-powerhouse-museum/


I showed him this link library story that Peter posted (below) and he would
like to see if there's a possibility of replicating the experience and
build a wiki-angle into the local studies community in Parramatta. As he's
the boss we have a good opportunity to make a successful and potentially
long-lasting relationship!

There's at least three kinds of things that could be done, in increasing
order of difficulty:
- the regular 'local meetup' (like in that article below)
- a presentation, or several?, to the computer pals program for seniors
interested in tech (they get 200 people turning up sometimes - all locals
with free time and computer literacy, and an interest in sharing their
expertise).
- engagement with the local migrant/2nd generation communities who don't
have a historical connection to the Parramatta area - an important goal for
the local council. (Also a big potential for WMAu to engage with NESB
communities, and would also open the Chapter up for the opportunity to
access WMF grants for helping to improve global south
content/languages/communities if we're involved in supporting S.E. Asian
communities/languages on WP).

So, if the Chapter, or someone from the local area in Western Sydney wants
to get in touch with my friend directly, give me a shout and I'll introduce
you :-)

-Liam


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On 4 March 2015 at 07:34, Peter Jeremy pe...@rulingia.com wrote:

 I found this in the local rag:

 http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/newslocal/northern-beaches/have-you-ever-wondered-who-writes-wikipedia-articles-meet-our-local-wikipedians/story-fngr8hax-1227246639828

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

[Gnangarra]

The foundation would probably contribute to installation costs with the
plates but overall project management and staff costs would be unlikely
It'd open a flood gate if they did I have a number of future Wikitown
projects here ready to go if funding my expenses and time needed wasnt an
issue.

On 4 May 2015 at 20:37, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hmm, if it gets funded along the lines indicated, that might open
 the flood gates of similar applications (why wouldn’t you if WMF picked up
 the tab), but it would appear to be contrary to the normal principle of not
 paying for content development. I guess we wait and see …



 Kerry


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 *To:* Australian Wikimedians mailing list
 *Subject:* Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns



 Interestingly, I just had a conversation this week with a (for profit)
 GLAM consultancy organisation in Greece that wants to do a wiki-town
 project with the city of Thessaloniki. They've already got the city
 council and several museums of the city, and some [as yet undefined] level
 of support from the editing community. What they want now is permission
 from the WMF to use the logos, and to submit a grant application to run the
 project.



 This is an interesting case because it's an organisation that has
 experience in running events in a country that does indeed have a lot of
 cultural heritage at the city level, and they city wants to do it. But,
 they also want Wikimedia to subsidise their staff time to operate the
 activity - without which the project would probably not happen. I've not
 seen any grant application (so I don't know how much they want), nor do I
 know about the degree of local volunteer community support to *actually* 
 *write
 and translate the articles... *It'll be interesting to see how it
 develops (if at all).



 -Liam


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 On 1 May 2015 at 09:34, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Leigh



 I think its a rather complex issue and can see a few red flags there to
 start with that would cause a lot of issues,  *Paid photographers? Paid
 historians? Paid editors?*.  For Wikitowns or for that matter any project
 really needs to be driven by the volunteer community both from within and
 from the associated partners.  Someone being paid specifically to project
 manage a WikiTown wouldnt be a good perspective.  From within an LGA having
 someone in a community liason, or GLAM type position who can co-ordinate
 some of the activities should be ok, even they need to be careful with COI.



 I personally would discourage any paid activity as we have seen multiple
 times this inevitably triggers a lot of damage to the community and
 individuals regardless of standing.



 On 1 May 2015 at 14:44, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Gnangara,

 Is there any possibility or objection to paying someone project manage a
 Wikitown project? Am thinking that some local councils or business
 precincts would put up the funds, and a good project manager would honour
 ask the disclosure of interests and transparency of process inside
 Wikipedia. Paid photographers? Paid historians? Paid editors?

 I realise this is a contentious issue, but not sure it's impossible...

 On 01/05/2015 8:06 am, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

   G'Day



 Yes Australia has two ongoing Wikitown projects

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia
-

 I'm created both projects and are responsible for their on going activity,
 the projects activity spikes depending on the availability of funding for
 each set of new plates. I was also fortunate enough to see the talk in
 Washington in 2012.   WikiTowns have a wide appeal and are very popular
 the issue is that they require significant time to build which gets
 complicated when you rely on volunteers.



 I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, and provide assistance



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

[Gnangarra]

G'Day

Yes Australia has two ongoing Wikitown projects

   - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia
   - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia
   -

I'm created both projects and are responsible for their on going activity,
the projects activity spikes depending on the availability of funding for
each set of new plates. I was also fortunate enough to see the talk in
Washington in 2012.   WikiTowns have a wide appeal and are very popular the
issue is that they require significant time to build which gets complicated
when you rely on volunteers.

I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, and provide assistance

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Towns

[Gnangarra]

Leigh

I think its a rather complex issue and can see a few red flags there to
start with that would cause a lot of issues,  *Paid photographers? Paid
historians? Paid editors?*.  For Wikitowns or for that matter any project
really needs to be driven by the volunteer community both from within and
from the associated partners.  Someone being paid specifically to project
manage a WikiTown wouldnt be a good perspective.  From within an LGA having
someone in a community liason, or GLAM type position who can co-ordinate
some of the activities should be ok, even they need to be careful with COI.

I personally would discourage any paid activity as we have seen multiple
times this inevitably triggers a lot of damage to the community and
individuals regardless of standing.

On 1 May 2015 at 14:44, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Gnangara,

 Is there any possibility or objection to paying someone project manage a
 Wikitown project? Am thinking that some local councils or business
 precincts would put up the funds, and a good project manager would honour
 ask the disclosure of interests and transparency of process inside
 Wikipedia. Paid photographers? Paid historians? Paid editors?

 I realise this is a contentious issue, but not sure it's impossible...
 On 01/05/2015 8:06 am, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 G'Day

 Yes Australia has two ongoing Wikitown projects

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Freopedia
-

 I'm created both projects and are responsible for their on going
 activity, the projects activity spikes depending on the availability of
 funding for each set of new plates. I was also fortunate enough to see the
 talk in Washington in 2012.   WikiTowns have a wide appeal and are very
 popular the issue is that they require significant time to build which gets
 complicated when you rely on volunteers.

 I'm happy to answer any questions anyone has, and provide assistance

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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register

[Gnangarra]

For photographers it would be a combination of self nominated and community
identified  applicants, realising that the person would firstly want to be
available.  Then it would be upto the committee to establish what
experience the photographer has and what level of trust setting conditions
accordingly.  This trust of the photographer along with their level of
experience would the would be critical as we could get some requests which
require a judgement call.

example 1
7th Avenue Bridge in Maylands was recently earmarked for demolition and
replacement, the person who asked for photos has written a number of FA so
knows what is notable, as an experienced photographer I also recongised it
met basic notability in being 100+ years old so despite the article being a
stub at the time it was an opportunity that had to be taken as priority,
photographing the replacement bridge which was opened last week can wait
until someone is in the area and takes some photos with no immediate
urgency no need to use community funds.

example 2
An editor working on a banksia article, has already gone taken it through
GA is now working on taking it to FA, as part of that the article requires
additional plant structure photos, there is a necessity so this would also
be worth spending funds.

example 3
new editor starts work on an article about the Bassendean Bridge, yes it
notable hears about the program requests photographs, photographer checks
theres no image available on Commons but the experienced editor knows  to
look on Trove and sources a PD image this is sufficient for the time being
no need to spend funds. Though the photographer may also notice that this
editor has written a couple of new articles recently and expand 1 or two
more also about subjects in the same area and choose to get both value for
money by spending the day in Bassendean taking photos for each article and
other general shots recognising that this would also be an opportunity to
reach out to the new editor in a productive collaborative way fostering
their continued involvement so money well spent on $10 train fare.

All three examples highlights the level of trust the program would be
placing on the photographer when they volunteer to be part of the
program,...

Realising that this was just a mear thought a day ago I think it still
needs to be kicked around with a few scenarios thought  talked  though by
the community, maybe even seek out someone to be a guinea pig for a couple
of months and see what issues could have been missed before we even
consider writing up a policy and asking the committee voting on it



On 8 May 2015 at 18:07, Craig Franklin craig.frank...@wikimedia.org.au
wrote:

 Sounds good to me also.  The devil will of course be in the detail in how
 we select which photographers and articles are eligible.

 What sort of thing do you envision the photographer having to write for
 the activity?  Some stories might be quite interesting, but I also think a
 lot would just be I went to place X and took a picture of banksia Y,
 which doesn't add a lot of value.  This is only a really minor issue though.

 General question then, what should be the next step in getting this off
 the ground?  Some sort of official write-up of a policy that we can vote on?

 Cheers,
 Craig

 2015-05-07 13:59 GMT+10:00 Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@wikimedia.org.au:

Sounds good.


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 *Subject:* Re: Photographer on call register



 how I see the process working

1. photographer applies to the committe to be listed,


 1. committee approves the individual and a budget based on a number
   of factors, locality, available transport, experience, past reporting
   2. committee sets conditions for request, GA or FA content, how
   far, maximum individual action costs, transport type etc


1. editor request a photo
2. photographer takes, uploads photos
3. submits reciepts to treasurer for payment

  Its not for outside groups, large projects nor really new editors as
 some involvement with a past record of success is required before
 preapproving people to spend WMAu funds, the aim is for experienced
 individuals to collaborate more effectively. Given that its community funds
 with oversight but individual making specific decisions on spending would
 like to think that such trust is vested primarily in members of the WMAU
 community.


 As an example User:Casliber is writing another FA on a banksia but lacks
 a selection of photographs, he know this banksia is common within 100km of
 Perth there are two registered photographers in Perth Cas contacts one to
 get a variety of shots to get them the person needs to catch train, fare
 cost $16.90 return. The photographer decides that the request fits all of
 the conditions so goes and takes the photos

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register

[Gnangarra]

The Volunteer support program
http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Program:Volunteer_support_program is
there for more complex or larger requests, if we have people in these
fields incurring costs for others then WMAu is available to help, we can
include other skills within the register as well the idea is to  break the
small cost which feel too trivial for some but are a burden for others from
creating collaboration barriers.

It'd also consolidate and simplify  the reporting necessary for  activities
using member funds with these small amounts

On 7 May 2015 at 10:39, Leigh Blackall leighblack...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good idea.

 I would like to one day see this extended to producers of other media as
 well. Video, animation, audio.. Which are especially useful in the projects
 beyond Wikipedia. Wikinews, Books, Species, Versity...
 On 7 May 2015 12:31 pm, Gnangarra gnanga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just throwing a thought out there to discuss

 WMAu has for the last few years run an equipment support program where by
 photographers can get an incentive to provide photographs through funds to
 help with the purchase of new/updated equipment. A number of people
 including myself have availed ourselves of the assistance,

 What I was thinking about is could we encourage greater collaboration
 through a register of local photographers who would be willing to fulfill
 requests for specific images.   WMAu could support this program by enabling
 the photographers to have an approved yearly budget say $100 each to cover
 transport costs for such requests, with out  the need to go to the
 committee for small costs.  These photographers could also be accredited
 WMAu photographers who could apply for access to events under a media
 accreditation like was organised for the Avalon airshow.

 Thoughts on what you like to see



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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register

[Gnangarra]

how I see the process working

   1. photographer applies to the committe to be listed,
  1. committee approves the individual and a budget based on a number
  of factors, locality, available transport, experience, past reporting
  2. committee sets conditions for request, GA or FA content, how far,
  maximum individual action costs, transport type etc
   2. editor request a photo
   3. photographer takes, uploads photos
   4. submits reciepts to treasurer for payment

Its not for outside groups, large projects nor really new editors as some
involvement with a past record of success is required before preapproving
people to spend WMAu funds, the aim is for experienced individuals to
collaborate more effectively. Given that its community funds with oversight
but individual making specific decisions on spending would like to think
that such trust is vested primarily in members of the WMAU community.


As an example User:Casliber is writing another FA on a banksia but lacks a
selection of photographs, he know this banksia is common within 100km of
Perth there are two registered photographers in Perth Cas contacts one to
get a variety of shots to get them the person needs to catch train, fare
cost $16.90 return. The photographer decides that the request fits all of
the conditions so goes and takes the photos uploads them to commons Cas
uses them in the article. Photographer  submits the reciepts to the
treasurer and get reimbursed $16.90, the photographer then writes a
paragraph on an activity page explaining what took place the article for
which the images were requested and a link to the images taken. Then either
at the end of the period placed on the individual rpogram or when the
photographer requires additional funding due to the number of requests the
report is formally accepted into the committee minutes.

Past practices would be an indicator for future needs, say we have 3 people
approved in Perth but no request then the next allocated funds could be
reduced or the number of approved people reduced, say there is a demand in
Brisbane where there is one photographer spending their allocation every
two months then a larger allocation could be given or effort put into
identifying additional photographers to spread the work load.


On 7 May 2015 at 11:10, Kerry Raymond kerry.raym...@wikimedia.org.au
wrote:

It sounds like a good plan. I can see how it would be useful to some
 of our existing photographers. Also it might provide a way to engage with
 local photography societies.



 Would the requests be sent to WMAU and be forwarded to a suitably local
 registered photographers or would registered photographers just pick from
 articles in an agreed local subcategory of:




 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia_requested_photographs_in_Australia



 or some other process?



 Kerry


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 *Subject:* Photographer on call register



 Just throwing a thought out there to discuss



 WMAu has for the last few years run an equipment support program where by
 photographers can get an incentive to provide photographs through funds to
 help with the purchase of new/updated equipment. A number of people
 including myself have availed ourselves of the assistance,



 What I was thinking about is could we encourage greater collaboration
 through a register of local photographers who would be willing to fulfill
 requests for specific images.   WMAu could support this program by enabling
 the photographers to have an approved yearly budget say $100 each to cover
 transport costs for such requests, with out  the need to go to the
 committee for small costs.  These photographers could also be accredited
 WMAu photographers who could apply for access to events under a media
 accreditation like was organised for the Avalon airshow.



 Thoughts on what you like to see







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[Wikimediaau-l] Photographer on call register

[Gnangarra]

Just throwing a thought out there to discuss

WMAu has for the last few years run an equipment support program where by
photographers can get an incentive to provide photographs through funds to
help with the purchase of new/updated equipment. A number of people
including myself have availed ourselves of the assistance,

What I was thinking about is could we encourage greater collaboration
through a register of local photographers who would be willing to fulfill
requests for specific images.   WMAu could support this program by enabling
the photographers to have an approved yearly budget say $100 each to cover
transport costs for such requests, with out  the need to go to the
committee for small costs.  These photographers could also be accredited
WMAu photographers who could apply for access to events under a media
accreditation like was organised for the Avalon airshow.

Thoughts on what you like to see



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[Wikimediaau-l] WikiData tour Down Under

[Gnangarra]

Kaya

Wikimedia Australia is happy to announce that the plans for the WikiData
Down Under Tour are sufficiently finalise to allow everone to make their
plans for Febraury. The keynote speaker is Andy Mabbett also known as
User:Pigsonthewing Andy has considerable experience in working with
WikiData and sharing data across projects he'll endeavour to share as much
of the experience as possible over the tour.

Full details are at: https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Wikidata_Tour_Down_Under

Below is an idea of when and where he'll along with where there will
opportunities to meet, learn and chat with Andy

   -
   - Melbourne
   - 7-11 meetup on the 10th, workhsop on the 11th


   - Sydney
   - 12-13 meetup on the 13


   - Canberra
   - 14-17


   - travelling to perth on 18th
   - Perth
  - 19 - 25 public conference 19th, workshop 20th
   - travel to Indonesia 25th


For people in Brisbane

   - Kerry will be attending the Sydney events and organising a session on
   what shes learnt later on
   - we are also talking with WM Indonesia they are planning a similar
   event in april.may we'll bring their speaker across to Brisbane for a
   couple of days.


For members else where the Chapter has the ability to help one or two of
you get to an event please send a request through with the event you'd like
to attend and why with as much detail as possible we'll assess each request
individually you'll be required to report back to members on attending


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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Family History related Australian biographies on Wikipedia

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Hi Paul

This sounds like a great initiative WMAU committee isnt aware of any
co-ordinated project along these lines the nearest would be
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiTown/Toodyaypedia/stage_II_worksheet
which was done as part of the Toodyaypedia project.  For some people they
might actually like the idea of a QR code to share the person story.

The biggest issue will be getting the followup support they will need I
suggest you introduce them to WP:AWNB as place to get quick answers and
just to be careful they should be aware of COI .


Let us know when your talking and we will be on the watch for new editors.


On 24 January 2016 at 12:36, Paul Foord  wrote:

> Hi all
>
> At a meeting of the Genealogy SA Research and Development Committee I
> offered to provide a session on writing biographies for Wikipedia.
>
> Triggers for this were:
> - my experience finding obituaries and other sources in Trove that
> appeared to justify an article, or allowed significant expansion of a stub.
> Often for politicians and sportspeople there is already a stub that can be
> filled out.
> - finding that a number of the articles apparently written by family
> historians were not encyclopedic in their selection of information nor well
> presented.
>
> It looks like there will be a 1.5 hour session:
> - an intro to WP
> - familiarisation with Wikiproject Biography (WP:Notability)
> - WP:RS
> - Using hardcopy and online resources, (WP:Citing sources)
>
> Any thoughts, comments, offers to work on the project. Is anybody else
> already doing something along these lines?
>
> Regards
>
> Paul Foord
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Wikimedia-AU-Members] State Library of Queensland adds over 1000 citations in #1Lib1Ref

[Gnangarra]

Awesome news Kerry

On 3 February 2017 at 17:22, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

> At approximately 10am today, the State Library of Queensland passed their
> target of adding 1000 citations to Wikipedia articles as part of the
> Wikipedia Library’s #1Lib1Ref campaign which calls on every librarian to
> add one citation to an unsourced fact in Wikipedia. In the case of the
> State Library of Queensland, I know at least 2 of their librarians who
> contributed over 100 citations each.
>
>
>
> Wikimedia Australia supported the SLQ initiative with Visual Editor
> training and several mentored group sessions over the 3 week campaign.
>
>
>
> Great work, State Library of Queensland!
>
>
>
> Kerry
>
>
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Fair Use Campaign: Technical Update

[Gnangarra]

Thanks Liam both for the update and the work you have put into this

On 22 May 2017 at 07:39, Liam Wyatt  wrote:

> Dear Aussiepedians,
>
> As some of you may have seen by now - the banner campaign is now LIVE and
> kicking.
>
> Peter Martin, wrote an excellent article for SMH/Age/Canberra Times, and
> it is doing REALLY well on social media (apparently "Fair Use" is trending
> on twitter in australia):
>  http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fair-
> use-wikipedia-targets-australians-in-bid-to-change-
> the-law-20170521-gw9kzq.html (Do have a read of the comments there too -
> they're super positive). There's been several ABC radio stories done this
> morning by Jess (ADA) and Jon (EFA) and the press-release they sent out
> early this morning is beginning to be picked up by others (SaturdayPaper,
> GizmodoAus...)
>
> Reddit has noticed too: https://np.reddit.com/r/a
> ustralia/comments/6cg8d0/fair_use_wikipedia_targets_australians_in_bid_to/
>
> The Meta page, where the banners go, is here: https://meta.wikimedia.
> org/wiki/FairCopyrightOz
> (and details of the banner designs are on the talkpage) - hashtag for
> those on social media is #FairCopyrightOz
>
> And the main point of the campaign from an 'influencing politicians' point
> of view is the number of letters sent via the campaign website:
> https://www.faircopyright.org.au/take-action/ (almost 60 and it's only
> just gone 9am in Sydney)! If you are interested in this topic, please write
> a letter to your MP as well!
>
> All the best,
> -Liam / Wittylama
>
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Referencing NLA Trove in WP citations

[Gnangarra]

agree with Kerry here the Trove link is more significant and proves more
information.  The Trove URL does take a person to the text, its a
maintained link where as many third party sites change their urls all to
frequently, as is currently the case in WA with 40 odd departments being
merged into less than 20 we can expect large swaths of WA Government urls
to break over the next 12-18 months.

Trove url may not fit perfectly to letter of en.wp policy but en.wp policy
does also say  *"If a rule
 prevents
you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia
, ignore it."*

This is one of those occasions where WP:IAR is the perfect fit,




On 20 January 2018 at 13:25, Kerry Raymond  wrote:

> There’s 2 angles to this, the Trove angle and the WIkipedia angle.
>
> On the Wikipedia side, part of the problem is that it would be nice to be
> able to have a cite book/journal way to cite both the full text *and* the
> catalogue/metadata entry (that is, two fields for different purposes. I
> have previously mentioned this somewhere on Wikipedia and basically got
> told that there was never a need for the catalogue URL so I was stupid for
> even asking. However if you look at it from a library perspective, then
> there are multiple reasons for having a URL to the catalogue entry. Firstly
> catalogue entries often contain information not easily discerned from the
> actual book text (or not in the book text at all) and Book text rarely
> links you back to the catalogue entry. A concrete example of this that
> matters to Wikipedians is this: if I just get a link to the digitised work,
> how do I know if this work is still subject to copyright or not (eg author
> dead 70+ years). The Trove catalogue shows author death dates and has the
> check copyright button. Also, if a Library has gone to the effort of
> digitizing it and has decided to make it freely available online, then
> what’s in it for them? Not a lot, but at least if you come via the
> catalogue entry, you know (and hopefully appreciate) the Library for doing
> so. Also some libraries do not store rendered forms of the full text but
> generate them from some other representation on the request (saves on
> storage). If you see an expiry date in a URL parameter, that may be the
> reason as they will only hold it in the rendered form for a day/week/month
> in which case the URL is not persistent.
>
> So in the pragmatic reality of writing a citation for Trove where there is
> online full text available, I do as follows.
>
> If the online version is available via a link in the Trove catalogue
> entry, the I just use the Trove catalogue URL (as generated by Trove), as
> it gives you both the catalogue entry and for an extra click or two the
> full text. (Yeah, it’s not the intended use of the URL field but it works
> and if the template writers won’t give me 2 URL fields, then I see this as
> their problem not mine).
>
> If the online version is not available via Trove, then sometimes I use the
> Trove citation and replace the URL field with the URL to the full text. I
> usually do this whenever there isn’t much interesting info in the Trove
> catalogue entry.
>
> Otherwise I just use the Trove citation and follow it with — full text
> available [fulltexturl online]
>
> Remember you can always put more that just a cite template inside a 
>  pair.
>
> Another gripe about the cite template family is that you cannot include
> licensing information. I would love to be able to note that a source is PD
> or CC-whatever. But again I have asked and told that readers have no need
> for such information, which I think is batshit crazy. If we believe in free
> knowledge, surely we should want to draw attention to sources that are more
> open than plain old copyright.
>
> Kerry
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 20 Jan 2018, at 9:56 am, Leigh Blackall 
> wrote:
>
> Seems reasonable to me, but if it's proving difficult to get Trove to
> update their citation formatting, then best to at least demonstrate it on
> the Wikipedia et al side of things. Is it possible to create a bot that
> goes back through all Trove references, check the URL and add the
> catelogue? Or to seamlessly add a template that asks editors to add the
> catelogue number, and url to available text, and maybe Wayback machine
> record of that url...
>
> On 20 Jan 2018 10:35, "Liam Wyatt"  wrote:
>
>> There's quite a long list of improvements that could be made to the
>> Wikipedia footnote format that Trove produces automatically. Many of them
>> are already logged in their internal code-review system at the National
>> Library but, due to internal prioritisation of the bug/feature queue this
>> doesn't get very high on the list unfortunately. Originally that system was
>> also only enabled on the digitised newspapers but, eventually propagated
>> out 

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Events calendar

[Gnangarra]

yes, even by state for the more active locations

On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 at 08:09, Sam Wilson  wrote:

> I’ve recently started adding WikiClubWest events to the new Wikimedia
> Space calendar .
> It’s slightly annoying at the moment because there’s no tag for Australian
> events, so they can’t be viewed on their own. I’m just wondering if anyone
> else in Australia is using Space, and if it’d be a good idea to request an
> australia tag and/or category?
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] [Commons-l] Robert Myers (aka BIDGEE) violation of COVID restrict

[Gnangarra]

What a load of rubbish, Robert Myers has been subject to continual
harassment and abuse over many years by trolls.

Travel restrictions in NSW allow for movement within the state provided you
were not resident in any of the hot spots when they were declared.   There
have been no breaches of any covid restrictions, whether it be NSW,
Australian, or WMF rules

Robert Myers is a volunteer with the NSW Country Fire Service specialising
in aircraft support.  As is normal an activity in preparation for the up
coming fire season he has been undergoing training in this period all
travel is authorised by the NSW government.

all WMAU activities can be viewed at
https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Past_events   ... all financial activities
for WMAU during this period are available at
https://wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Meeting:2020_AGM/Treasurer%27s_Report and
overseen by the committee.

This is a malicious email that should never have gotten past any
administrator of these lists, as for the person sending it they should be
sanctioned.

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 19:35, keepinitreal2020 via Commons-l <
common...@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:

> It has come to our attention that Robert Myers (aka BIDGEE) has been
> ignoring the detective that was sent out to volunteers by the Wiki
> Foundation and also ignoring local laws by travelling to take shitty
> pictures all over the Australian country side, possibly spreading COVID to
> fellow citizen. Wiki Foundation and Wiki Australia must stop him and block
> him for life! He is self indulgent and using Wiki funds for holiday.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Community_Resources/COVID-19_Notice
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:ListFiles?limit=500=Bidgee
>
>
> Concern contibuto
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